[Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

Thu Jan 28 16:34:04 EST 2010

Robert

Tell us how to do it then.

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From: Robert Balliot [mailto:rballiot at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:31 PM
To: Wilfred Drew
Cc: Robert L. Balliot; Brian Gray; web4lib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going on, libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding would be much, much easier.

When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at their brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.   With the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla and the Yahoo! index rocked. And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.

But, e-commerce stepped in and changed the mechanics of the web.  The search algorithms were tested and retested with the goal of getting product links in front of people.  The academics had better information, but relied on reputation and quality rather than marketing through language configuration and linking strategy or even basic avertising.  So now, all the general population sees in the broadest sense is the relevance of commercial as it has been marketed to them as information consumers.  Selling library services as a valuable product has become much more difficult.

In Rhode Island, the various public libraries have individually and collectively subscribed to some of the heavyweight databases.  The costs are relatively low per capita, but use per capita is extremely low so they are really not a bargain.  And, people would use them if they knew they were there.   Instead, the subscriptions get cut, so no one benefits.  The products were never effectively marketed.

Brian, I  do not expect your library results to come to the top of every search that I do, but library sites in general should.  They don't.  They have not been marketed. They have not been structured to get the product in front of the consumer.

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com<http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu<mailto:DrewW at tc3.edu>> wrote:
That's not marketing, that's discoverability! That is a much different type of creature.

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Assistant Professor
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From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org>] On Behalf Of Robert L. Balliot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'Brian Gray'
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib at webjunction.org>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

Here is an example -

Although I am aware of Case Western Reserve, but in over 20 years of
conducting searches I have never seen a search that resulted in any library
collection or even a web page from Case Western featured in the results.
Not Google, Not Yahoo, Not Bing.  And, although you may have a wonderful
library system - there is relatively no knowledge of it outside of your
walls and alumni.

There are a few libraries organizing information and collections that do
become search results - Cornell and their law collections are a great
example of that.

There are a few libraries systems that are expected to yield results since
they have branded themselves as such. So, people will search their
collections with the expectation of finding results - such as the Baker
Library at Harvard.  But, my point remains Libraries have not marketed
themselves - although they start with a huge advantage over non-commercial
entities with legitimate content and expert information.

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From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org>
[mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org>] On Behalf Of Brian Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:55 PM
To: Robert Balliot
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib at webjunction.org>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

It seems to me libraries are marketed a lot - at least every institution oo
organization I have been involved. Are you considering a specific kind of
marketing when you say "Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed"?

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com<mailto:mindspiral at gmail.com>
bcg8 at case.edu<mailto:bcg8 at case.edu>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com<mailto:rballiot at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed. Yet, with an on-line catalog /
> databases, Library web content represents nearly 100% of the potential web
> pages representing a college or University. So, they can have a huge
> influence on potential buyers of college and University services.
>
> I have had commercial clients who spend in excess of $300,000 per month in
> Google Ad Words alone. My task is to get them to the top five in organics.
> Applying the some of same principles, it is relatively easy to place in
the
> top five for any college or University library because libraries are
simply
> not marketed. They are not being competitive. Here is an example using the
> phrase -  Providence College Library
>
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/libraries/providence_college.htm
>
> Libraries are relatively untapped marketing resources for colleges and
> Universities.  The idea of hiding nearly 100% of potential content by not
> linking directly from the home page is really, really bad marketing.
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Alan Cockerill
> <alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au<mailto:alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au>>wrote:
>
> > On a practical note - what percentage of your institution's total page
> hits
> > are library hits?  It makes design sense to have commonly visited pages
> > quickly accessible.
> >
> > Our marketing people use Google Analytics to track usage and the Library
> > Home page is consistently one of the top 3 pages for the entire
> > institution.
> >
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> > Library Technologies Coordinator
> > James Cook University
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