[Web4lib] Mobenzi > Mobile-Phone-Based Empowerment

Mon Feb 1 18:43:22 EST 2010

I've been on Web4Lib for almost 15 years now. I tend to think of it as a community, and sometimes communities need to work out troublesome issues in public. I think that's healthy.

Of course the discussions shouldn't go overboard and degenerate into flame wars, but discussion about list etiquette can be a good thing. If some people are tired of this thread, they're free to delete the postings unread.

Bernie Sloan 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Popp, Mary Pagliero <popp at indiana.edu> wrote:

From: Popp, Mary Pagliero <popp at indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mobenzi > Mobile-Phone-Based Empowerment
To: "Hamilton, Matthew" <hamiltonm at boulderlibrary.org>, "Brian Gray" <mindspiral at gmail.com>, "C Ward Price" <cprice55 at ivytech.edu>
Cc: "web4lib" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 5:29 PM

Perhaps all of you are correct, but I have to say that the complaining takes a lot more bandwidth than just deleting the messages one does not like.  It we are honest, none of us could say that we read every WEB4LIB message we received.

I hope that the moderators will step in soon to end these threads.  This is getting tiresome, to say the least.

Mary
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Mary Pagliero Popp
Research and Discovery Services Librarian
Online Services Department
Indiana University Libraries, Wells Library W501
1320 E. 10th Street, Bloomington, IN  47405
812-855-8170    FAX: 812-856-4979    popp at indiana.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hamilton, Matthew
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:50 PM
To: Brian Gray; C Ward Price
Cc: web4lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mobenzi > Mobile-Phone-Based Empowerment

I couldn't agree more. Occassionally, (1 out of 10 times or so) I appreciate his content-- but I'd much rather just follow his RSS feed than having every single post appear on all five or six of the lists we share subscriptions to.

With the proliferation of so much opt-in technology (RSS, Twitter, etc.), I think it's pretty rude to self-promote to email lists, especially cross-posting.

After logging in this morning and finding yet one more tangentially related (at best) self-promoting message show up on several of my lists, I finally decided to filter Gerry's emails once and for all. Probably the first time in about 12+ years that I've done that.

Matthew Hamilton
Library Innovation and Technology Manager
Boulder Public Library
matthew.hamilton at boulderlibrary.org

303 720 6665

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gray
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:43 PM
To: C Ward Price
Cc: web4lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mobenzi > Mobile-Phone-Based Empowerment

The other problem is the messages are cross-posted to many lists, and often
the posts are not relevant to all the topics of those lists. I get sometimes
more than 6 copies of the same post (which I can filter out easily enough
using my email application) but than every list is disrupted by the
complaint threads that the posts are irrelevant.

I do not mind the posts as much as I wish Gerry would only post things
relevant to the definition of the lists he posts.

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com
bcg8 at case.edu

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM, C Ward Price <cprice55 at ivytech.edu> wrote:

> I receive the posts leading back to the blog sites on three separate
> lists, which no doubt makes it seem like they are more frequent than
> they really are.  So that's not really a problem.
>
> Sometimes the messages interest me, more often they do not.  But that
> just reflects my particular interests; there are other announcements and
> threads that don't interest me, either.  So that's not really a problem.
>
> The list is notified whenever the blogger starts a new blog.  The list
> members are also asked to provide information to help the blogger with
> his research, articles, conference presentations, etc., but that's not
> really a problem.
>
> The blogger announces his presentations to the list.  That's annoying.
> I'm sure many members of the list publish and present.  The list owner
> no doubt is in high demand for conferences, but he doesn't advertise all
> his speaking engagements.  (I'll guess that the blogger credits all the
> help he receives from list members in his articles and presentations,
> but I haven't read or seen any of them.)
>
> The blogger links back to his blog in his messages to the list.  That's
> a problem for me.  If he has written something of interest and mentions
> the source, I want to go to the source.  I don't want to have to go
> through the blog posting, which is essentially the same as the message
> to the list, to find the link to the original source.  Since the blogger
> has the link to the source in his blog, he could include it on his
> messages to the list.  Since he doesn't, I tend to agree that his
> messages are self-promoting.
>
> If the blogger's list messages were considerably shorter, with a line
> that said "For more information, see [his appropriate bog] or The
> Original Source [link to the source]", that would considerably lessen
> the problems.
>
> Ward Price, Librarian
> Ivy Tech Community College, Northeast
> 3800 N. Anthony Blvd
> Fort Wayne IN 46805
> (260) 480-2033
> cprice55 at ivytech.edu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of gerrymck
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: Richard Wiggins
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mobenzi > Mobile-Phone-Based Empowerment
>
> Dick/
>
> We all thave he option of blocking any individual, but your statements
> are
> not correct
>
> 1] I am an active contributor but >>> I do not post every hour nor every
> day
>
> Check The Web4Lib Archives
>
> [ http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/search/index.cgi]
>
> 2] My postings are not self-promotion; On the contrary > My postings
> highlight the work of others ...
>
> 3] The root source of my postings (i.e., my blog entries) is as valid
> source
> as any
>
> 4] While one might expect that a posting to an e-list might generate
> discussion, a majority of my psotings are informational > Use or Delete
> Or
> ???
>
> 5] This Is The 21st Century
>
> Withh All Due Respect !
>
> /Gerry
>
> c: Web4Lib
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Richard Wiggins
> <richard.wiggins at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > For the first time in decades of following mailing lists, I for one am
> > filtering all posts from someone -- specifically gerrymck -- from now
> on.
> >
> > This relentless, daily -- sometimes hourly -- self-promotion is not
> > appropriate for Web4lib, or any public forum.  A discussion list is a
> place
> > to discuss, not to republish your blog.
> >
> > /rich
> >
> >   On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, gerrymck
> <gerry.mckiernan at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >>  Mobenzi is a software service that empowers people to earn money by
> >> completing simple tasks on their mobile phones.
> >>
> >> The Concept
> >>
> >> Links To Source / How Mobenzi Works / News Coverage / Etc. Available
> At
> >>
> >> [ http://tinyurl.com/yeogj25 ]
> >>
> >> And/Or
> >>
> >> [
> >>
> >>
> http://mobile-libraries.blogspot.com/2010/01/mobenzi-mobile-phone-based-
> empowerment.html<http://mobile-libraries.blogspot.com/2010/01/mobenzi-mobile-phone-based-%0Aempowerment.html>
> >> ]
> >>
> >> /Gerry
> >>
> >> Gerry McKiernan
> >> Associate Professor
> >> Science and Technology Librarian
> >> Iowa State University Library
> >> Ames IA 50011
> >>
> >> Follow Me On Twitter > http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs
> >>
> >> >>> "The Future Is Mobile" >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >
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