[Web4lib] Facebook (& Second Life)

Thu Sep 10 17:29:54 EDT 2009

Bill Drew said: "The only real price for the library need be time for staff to learn the new skills needed for these services."

And I think that's exactly the point I was making in my posting. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Library 2.0 technologies DO cost money, contrary to what Robert Balliot seemed to be saying. If someone on staff does the Library 2.0 work it costs *money* because they are paid for their time.

Bernie Sloan

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu> wrote:

> From: Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Facebook (& Second Life)
> To: "'B.G. Sloan'" <bgsloan2 at yahoo.com>, "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:41 PM
> The only real price for the library
> need be time for staff to learn the new skills needed for
> these services. There are plenty of ways to provide Library
> 2.0 services without having to pay a provider for that
> service.  Examples include Twitter, Blogger, Twitter
> Feed, FeedBurner, GoogleDocs, and more.  Also, training
> and help should not have to cost a lot of out of pocket
> money.  There are many free and low cost opportunities.
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
> Assistant Professor
> Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org]
> On Behalf Of B.G. Sloan
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Facebook (& Second Life)
> 
> 
> Robert Balliot said:
> 
> "Library 2.0 technologies only require *money* where skills
> are lacking
> to implement them or you are buying additional
> services..."
> 
> Ummm...aren't the people implementing the Library 2.0
> technologies being paid *money* for the time they spend on
> implementing and maintaining them??
> 
> Bernie Sloan
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Facebook (& Second Life)
> To: "Chris Bourg" <mchris at stanford.edu>
> Cc: "Mitchell, Michael" <Michael.Mitchell at brazosport.edu>,
> "web4lib at webjunction.org"
> <Web4lib at webjunction.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:55 PM
> 
> 
> Library 2.0 technologies only require *money* where skills
> are lacking
> to implement them or you are buying additional services  -
> server
> space, freedom from ads, land in SL, or special
> avatar<http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/images/tardis.jpg>costumes. 
> The
> same
> thing holds true you have to hire someone to do a library
> website.
> 
> In a purely economic sense 2.0 could require *money* with
> overtime.
> However, that line item is rare where you have hoards of
> hungry grad students.
> 
> 
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com

> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Chris Bourg <mchris at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> > Mike,
> >
> > While Second Life isn't for everyone, Stanford
> Libraries recently had a
> > very successful "Open House" in Second Life for our
> Special Collections. In
> > fact, we ended up holding a 2nd open house by popular
> demand:
> > Special Collections Open House in Second Life a huge
> success
> > <https://www.stanford.edu/group/ic/cgi-bin/drupal2/node/763>
> > As with Facebook, it is simply another avenue by which
> to expose our
> > libraries' resources to a broader audience; and for
> our staff to get some
> > exposure and experience working in virtual worlds and
> learning what works
> > and what doesn't.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Gray wrote:
> >
> >> There have been libraries that have joined Second
> Life recently, so I am
> >> not
> >> sure what your "I didn't think so" comments is
> going for. The tone of your
> >> emails suggests you have already made up your mind
> or you are looking for
> >> reasons to avoid web 2.0 technologies.
> >>
> >> Web 2.0 is not for everyone, and it takes times
> and money to implement. If
> >> there is a certain tool or techniques you are
> considering, maybe you
> >> should
> >> ask for examples to explore.
> >>
> >> Brian Gray
> >> mindspiral at gmail.com
> >> bcg8 at case.edu
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mitchell, Michael
> <
> >> Michael.Mitchell at brazosport.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think I'm questioning the how, what, and the
> tools. We are a small
> >>> library and time must be used wisely.
> Implementing new things takes time
> >>> so it helps to try to think things through
> rather than just jumping into
> >>> the next new thing. Anybody considered
> starting a Second-Life presence
> >>> recently? I didn't think so. I do like the
> search widget idea and I
> >>> apologize if I accidentally hijacked this
> thread with my original
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Mitchell
> >>>
> >>> "Protest is when I say I don't like this.
> Resistance is when I put an
> >>> end to what I don't like. Protest is when I
> say I refuse to go along
> >>> with this anymore. Resistance is when I make
> sure everybody else stops
> >>> going along too."- Ulrike Meinhof
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> >>> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org]
> On Behalf Of Brian Gray
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:50 AM
> >>> To: web4lib at webjunction.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Facebook
> >>>
> >>> I would not judge the value of library 2.0 by
> the bad examples and bad
> >>> implementations that you have cited below.
> Should you not be looking for
> >>> good and positive examples to see the value?
> >>>
> >>> It seem to me you are more questioning how and
> what your library has to
> >>> market, rather than the tool to do it.
> >>>
> >>> Brian Gray
> >>> mindspiral at gmail.com
> >>> bcg8 at case.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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