FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective

[Micah Stevens]

Very nice. Thank you Peter and John!

On 02/23/2007 01:45 PM, Binkley, Peter wrote:
> Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at LISWiki now (see
> forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page with list of a
> couple of statements, and for one of them I've started a page to suggest
> a format. Dig in!
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Binkley, Peter 
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:08 PM
> To: 'John Hubbard'
> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective
>
> LISWiki sounds like just the right place. I've pasted in some of my
> message below and started a list of potential pages - others who have
> time (in between editing Wikipedia pages...) can start to fill them in
> and add to the list.
>
> Peter 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hubbard [mailto:hubbardj at uwm.edu]
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:55 PM
> To: Binkley, Peter
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective
>
> http://liswiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia
> tabula rasa, go nuts :0
>
> - John
>
>
> Binkley, Peter wrote:
>   
>> Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or 
>> wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins
>> (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of
>>     
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>> claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own
>>     
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>> page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses 
>> are enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived 
>> email messages or threads that capture a particular argument well.
>> Links into Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful.
>>
>> The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of 
>> one community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia 
>> wiki would represent a discussion within a single community which has 
>> not reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a 
>> list of pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice 
>> versa (and appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both 
>> with lots of interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of
>>     
> redundancy).
>   
>> Of course, someone is going to have to do the work...
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
>> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion 
>> Sumerianlibrarian
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM
>> To: web4lib at webjunction.org; AWDobbs at ship.edu
>> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective
>>
>> snip:
>>
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>>> Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works 
>>> fine for me.  I'll be interested in the resulting resource you 
>>> create,
>>>       
>>> as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email 
>>> lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>       
>> thanks for your reply.
>>
>> i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance 
>> where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in 
>> either a productive or creative way?
>>
>> overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed 
>> again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs.
>>
>> no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the 
>> issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to
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>> see evidence of it.
>>
>> then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia 
>> phenomenon -- and its various permutations.
>> what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of 
>> the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive,
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>> and creative manner.
>>
>> thanks again for your response, m
>>
>>
>>  
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