FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective

[Binkley, Peter]

Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at LISWiki now (see
forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page with list of a
couple of statements, and for one of them I've started a page to suggest
a format. Dig in!

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Binkley, Peter 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'John Hubbard'
Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective

LISWiki sounds like just the right place. I've pasted in some of my
message below and started a list of potential pages - others who have
time (in between editing Wikipedia pages...) can start to fill them in
and add to the list.

Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hubbard [mailto:hubbardj at uwm.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:55 PM
To: Binkley, Peter
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective

http://liswiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia
tabula rasa, go nuts :0

- John


Binkley, Peter wrote:
> Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or 
> wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins
> (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of

> claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own

> page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses 
> are enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived 
> email messages or threads that capture a particular argument well.
> Links into Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful.
> 
> The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of 
> one community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia 
> wiki would represent a discussion within a single community which has 
> not reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a 
> list of pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice 
> versa (and appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both 
> with lots of interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of
redundancy).
> 
> Of course, someone is going to have to do the work...
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion 
> Sumerianlibrarian
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM
> To: web4lib at webjunction.org; AWDobbs at ship.edu
> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective
> 
> snip:
> 
>> Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works 
>> fine for me.  I'll be interested in the resulting resource you 
>> create,
> 
>> as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email 
>> lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> -Aaron
> 
> thanks for your reply.
> 
> i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance 
> where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in 
> either a productive or creative way?
> 
> overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed 
> again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs.
> 
> no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the 
> issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to

> see evidence of it.
> 
> then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia 
> phenomenon -- and its various permutations.
> what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of 
> the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive,

> and creative manner.
> 
> thanks again for your response, m
> 
> 
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