[Web4lib] Subscriber Removal

[Norma Hewlett]

My understanding is that Chuck has done this before, and been asked to 
leave the list before. A single use of the "fword" is not the problem,. 
The problem is that he has posted inappropriate messages, been asked to 
follow the list guidelines, and has declined. 

Yes, others have violated list guidelines in the past. That's why there 
are guidelines, they evolved in response to need. It takes more than a 
single incident to get somebody taken off the list. 

I've seen several lists destroyed by a couple of people who descend to 
off-topic personal attacks, and I really appreciate the way Roy and the 
board enforce the guidelines on Web4lib. That's one of the main reasons 
it has remained such a useful list for so many years. It goes without 
saying that anybody who prefers a different style of discussion or a 
different set of discussion topics is welcome to start their own list.

Jean Hewlett
Regional Librarian
University of San Francisco


----- Original Message -----
From: Rebecca Ryan <RRyan at ci.south-pasadena.ca.us>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:43 pm
Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Subscriber Removal
> Please allow me to say that the portion of the policy: 
> 
> "Comments that are intended only to enrage the recipient rather than
> contribute to thoughtful discussion are prohibited." has been 
> violated by
> more than just Chuck Munson in this discussion, and removing only 
> him from
> the list for using the "f" word is as juvenile as ignoring the 
> issues the
> discussion brings up. All the negative talk of devolution and 
> heavy sighing
> for a discussion most pertinent to our profession is 
> disheartening. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Tennant [mailto:roy.tennant at ucop.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: Web4Lib
> Subject: [Web4lib] Subscriber Removal
> 
> A Web4Lib Advisory Board member was correctly attempting to remove 
> ChuckMunson (see below), which as it turns out, only I could do 
> (and did). Chuck
> Munson was removed from Web4Lib in 1999 for repeatedly violating 
> list policy
> (see <http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/
> web4lib/1999-March/004882.html> for the removal notice). Web4Lib 
> Managementnever removed that sanction, and therefore it remains in 
> force.
> We create and enforce policies to create a civil (even if
> adversarial) discussion. Over the years that Web4Lib has existed 
> we have
> added policies only as required to by the force of events. Once 
> created,however, we have enforced them strictly -- some may think 
> too strictly. But
> the end result has been a relatively civil and yet interesting and 
> vitalforum for us all. The Web4Lib Advisory Board and the list 
> owner will not
> allow a very small number of individuals to ruin that for everyone.
> Roy Tennant
> Web4Lib Owner
> 
> On Dec 15, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Chuck0 wrote:
> 
> > I know that a few people here don't like my opinions, but it 
> seem very 
> > silly that somebody submitted my email address for list removal.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > web4lib-request at webjunction.org wrote:
> >> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list 
> Web4lib We 
> >> have received a request for the removal of your email address, 
> >> "chuck at mutualaid.org" from the web4lib at webjunction.org mailing 
> list.>> To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing 
> list, simply 
> >> reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or 
> visit 
> >> this web page:
> >
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