[Web4lib] Re: Web4lib Digest, Vol 50, Issue 25
William L. Graham
delonix at comcast.net
Fri May 29 22:24:30 EDT 2009
I suggest the excellent book by Goto and Cotler for both web site design and
redesign projects?
http://www.web-redesign.com/
-Bill Graham
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> 1. list of what we want for webmaster (Henriksen, Phalbe)
> 2. Re: list of what we want for webmaster (Sharon Foster)
> 3. Re: list of what we want for webmaster (Robert Sullivan)
> 4. New Open Access Book: _Introduction to Webometrics:
> Quantitative Web Research for the Social Sciences_
> (McKiernan, Gerard [LIB])
> 5. Re: Kete 1.2 released (Walter McGinnis)
> 6. SEE THIS (Jim Brewer)
> 7. Download text from Google books (Kevil, L H.)
> 8. RE: Download text from Google books (Kevil, L H.)
> 9. Re: Download text from Google books (Thomas Dowling)
> 10. Re: Download text from Google books (Bob Rasmussen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:18:15 -0400
> From: "Henriksen, Phalbe" <phenriksen at alexandercountync.gov>
> Subject: [Web4lib] list of what we want for webmaster
> To: <web4lib at webjunction.org>
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> Folks,
>
> We are changing from a commercial webmaster to our county's IT
> webmaster. He wants a list of what we want on the website. Is this
> something that's fairly standard, or must I create the list from
> scratch?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Phalbe Henriksen
> Director
> Alexander County Library
> Taylorsville, NC
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:24:51 -0400
> From: Sharon Foster <fostersm1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] list of what we want for webmaster
> To: "Henriksen, Phalbe" <phenriksen at alexandercountync.gov>
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
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> That's good--he's not assuming anything.
>
> Yes, you should have a pretty good idea of what features you want on
> the new website, the number of pages, the menu hierarchy, and so on.
> If you don't, he should help you develop your requirements. These
> should be documented as part of the contract, so all assumptions (or
> at least most of them) are uncovered before work begins.
>
> Sharon
>
> Sharon M. Foster, 99% Librarian (waiting for the official okey-dokey
> to change it to 100%)
> Speaker-to-Computers
> http://www.vsa-software.com/mlsportfolio/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Henriksen, Phalbe
> <phenriksen at alexandercountync.gov> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > We are changing from a commercial webmaster to our county's IT
> > webmaster. He wants a list of what we want on the website. Is this
> > something that's fairly standard, or must I create the list from
> > scratch?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Phalbe Henriksen
> > Director
> > Alexander County Library
> > Taylorsville, NC
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:45:39 -0400
> From: Robert Sullivan <robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] list of what we want for webmaster
> To: Sharon Foster <fostersm1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Message-ID:
> <32c265400905281045v5b74155bi6cdc1207956bb7bf at mail.gmail.com>
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> > Yes, you should have a pretty good idea of what features you want on
> > the new website, the number of pages, the menu hierarchy, and so on.
> > If you don't, he should help you develop your requirements. These
> > should be documented as part of the contract, so all assumptions (or
> > at least most of them) are uncovered before work begins.
>
> In addition to the appearance and functions, you should tell him the
> pages must validate and conform to accessibility standards. Ask him
> if he's ever used a text browser.
>
> --
> Bob Sullivan
> Schenectady Digital History Archive
> <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/>
> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:03:49 -0500
> From: "McKiernan, Gerard [LIB]" <gerrymck at iastate.edu>
> Subject: [Web4lib] New Open Access Book: _Introduction to Webometrics:
> Quantitative Web Research for the Social Sciences_
> To: <web4lib at webjunction.org>, <lita at ala.org>, <asis-l at asis.org>,
> <sig-bwp at asis.org>, "Discussion of digital reference services"
> <DIG_REF at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Cc: "McKiernan, Gerard \[LIB\]" <gerrymck at mail.adp.iastate.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <4F6D7F02E570D846825FD3A8B8C252650158FD4B at exchs018.its.iastate.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
>
> Colleagues/
>
>
>
> A Major/Major New Book !
>
>
>
> /Gerry
>
>
>
> Introduction to Webometrics: Quantitative Web Research for the Social
> Sciences / Michael Thelwall / Morgan & Claypool Publishers / 2009 / 116 pp.
> / doi:10.2200/S00176ED1V01Y200903ICR004 / ISBN-10: 159829993X ; ISBN-13:
> 978-1598299939
>
>
>
> Abstract
>
>
>
> Webometrics is concerned with measuring aspects of the web: web sites, web
> pages, parts of web pages, words in web pages, hyperlinks, web search engine
> results. The importance of the web itself as a communication medium and for
> hosting an increasingly wide array of documents, from journal articles to
> holiday brochures, needs no introduction. Given this huge and easily
> accessible source of information, there are limitless possibilities for
> measuring or counting on a huge scale (e.g., the number of web sites, the
> number of web pages, the number of blogs) or on a smaller scale (e.g., the
> number of web sites in Ireland, the number of web pages in the CNN web site,
> the number of blogs mentioning Barack Obama before the 2008 presidential
> campaign).
>
>
>
> This book argues that it can be useful for social scientists to measure
> aspects of the web and explains how this can be achieved on both a small and
> large scale. The book is intended for social scientists with research topics
> that are wholly or partly online (e.g., social networks, news, political
> communication) and social scientists with offline research topics with an
> online reflection, even if this is not a core component (e.g., diaspora
> communities, consumer culture, linguistic change).
>
>
>
> The book is also intended for library and information science students in
> the belief that the knowledge and techniques described will be useful for
> them to guide and aid other social scientists in their research. In
> addition, the techniques and issues are all directly relevant to library and
> information science research problems.
>
>
>
> General Of Table of Contents
>
>
>
> Introduction / Web Impact Assessment / Link Analysis / Blog Searching /
> Automatic Search Engine Searches: LexiURL Searcher / Web Crawling: SocSciBot
> / Search Engines and Data Reliability / Tracking User Actions Online /
> Advanced Techniques / Summary and Future Directions
>
>
>
> Sample Table Of Contents
>
>
>
> 2. Web Impact Assessment
>
> 2.1 Web Impact Assessment Via Web Mentions
>
> 2.2 Bespoke Web Citation Indexes
>
> 2.3 Content Analysis
>
> 2.3.1 Category Choices
>
> 2.3.2 Sampling Methods
>
> 2.3.3 Example
>
> 2.3.4 Validity
>
> 2.4 URL Analysis of the Spread of Results
>
> 2.5 Web Impact Reports
>
> 2.6 Web Citation Analysis—An Information Science Application
>
> 2.7 Advanced Web Impact Studies
>
>
>
> Access To Detailed Table of Contents and Links To Publisher Site And Open
> Access Versions Available At
>
>
>
> [ http://tinyurl.com/kv5rq7 ]
>
>
>
> Enjoy !
>
>
>
> /Gerry
>
>
>
> Gerry McKiernan
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Science and Technology Librarian
>
> Iowa State University Library
>
> Ames IA 50011
>
> gerrymck at iastate.edu
>
>
>
> There is Nothing More Powerful Than An Idea Whose Time Has Come / Victor
> Hugo
>
> [ http://www.blogger.com/profile/09093368136660604490 ]
>
>
>
> Iowa: Where the Tall Corn Flows and the (North)West Wind Blows
>
> [ http://alternativeenergyblogs.blogspot.com/ ]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:19:37 +1200
> From: Walter McGinnis <walter at katipo.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Kete 1.2 released
> To: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Message-ID: <B38E3C26-DA66-4321-9D02-4DD6DB0F770E at katipo.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> For those that aren't already familiar with Kete:
>
> Kete is an open source Ruby on Rails application that you can use to
> create online areas for collaboration for your community. Write
> topics and upload images, audio, video, documents. Discuss them all.
> Link them together.
> It's been called a "relational wiki" and " a mashup between content
> management and knowledge managment". It's a fun and a great way to
> harness the power of user generated content.
>
> Cheers,
> Walter McGinnis
> Kete Project Lead
> Katipo Communications, Ltd
> http://katipo.co.nz/portfolio/kete.html
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Joann Ransom wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > The much anticipated Kete 1.2 release is now available. The official
> > announcement can be read here:
> >
> > http://kete.net.nz/blog/topics/show/272-kete-12-released
> >
> > Kete 1.2 contains the first functionality to allow the beginnings of
> > integration with Koha 3 (along with other ILS that provide RSS feeds
> > for
> > their catalogs) and 1.3 and 1.4 will contain more extensive ways tie
> > to
> > tie-in to a libraries other online resources like Koha
> >
> > To grab the software, read the details of the downloads topic:
> >
> > http://kete.net.nz/site/topics/show/25-downloads
> >
> > You can browse the code online at
> > http://github.com/kete/kete/tree/1-2-stable
> >
> > Thanks to all the people that have given ideas for enhancements, bug
> > reports, contributed code, and funding.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joann Ransom.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4lib at webjunction.org
> > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:09:35 -0500
> From: "Jim Brewer" <jcbrewer at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [Web4lib] SEE THIS
> To: "'McKiernan, Gerard [LIB]'" <gerrymck at iastate.edu>,
> <web4lib at webjunction.org>, <lita at ala.org>, <asis-l at asis.org>,
> <sig-bwp at asis.org>, "'Discussion of digital reference
> services'"
> <DIG_REF at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Cc: "'McKiernan, Gerard \[LIB\]'" <gerrymck at mail.adp.iastate.edu>
> Message-ID: <00fa01c9e056$55378140$ffa683c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of McKiernan, Gerard
> [LIB]
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:04 PM
> To: web4lib at webjunction.org; lita at ala.org; asis-l at asis.org;
> sig-bwp at asis.org; Discussion of digital reference services
> Cc: McKiernan, Gerard [LIB]
> Subject: [Web4lib] New Open Access Book: _Introduction to Webometrics:
> Quantitative Web Research for the Social Sciences_
>
> Colleagues/
>
>
>
> A Major/Major New Book !
>
>
>
> /Gerry
>
>
>
> Introduction to Webometrics: Quantitative Web Research for the Social
> Sciences / Michael Thelwall / Morgan & Claypool Publishers / 2009 / 116
> pp.
> / doi:10.2200/S00176ED1V01Y200903ICR004 / ISBN-10: 159829993X ; ISBN-13:
> 978-1598299939
>
>
>
> Abstract
>
>
>
> Webometrics is concerned with measuring aspects of the web: web sites, web
> pages, parts of web pages, words in web pages, hyperlinks, web search
> engine
> results. The importance of the web itself as a communication medium and for
> hosting an increasingly wide array of documents, from journal articles to
> holiday brochures, needs no introduction. Given this huge and easily
> accessible source of information, there are limitless possibilities for
> measuring or counting on a huge scale (e.g., the number of web sites, the
> number of web pages, the number of blogs) or on a smaller scale (e.g., the
> number of web sites in Ireland, the number of web pages in the CNN web
> site,
> the number of blogs mentioning Barack Obama before the 2008 presidential
> campaign).
>
>
>
> This book argues that it can be useful for social scientists to measure
> aspects of the web and explains how this can be achieved on both a small
> and
> large scale. The book is intended for social scientists with research
> topics
> that are wholly or partly online (e.g., social networks, news, political
> communication) and social scientists with offline research topics with an
> online reflection, even if this is not a core component (e.g., diaspora
> communities, consumer culture, linguistic change).
>
>
>
> The book is also intended for library and information science students in
> the belief that the knowledge and techniques described will be useful for
> them to guide and aid other social scientists in their research. In
> addition, the techniques and issues are all directly relevant to library
> and
> information science research problems.
>
>
>
> General Of Table of Contents
>
>
>
> Introduction / Web Impact Assessment / Link Analysis / Blog Searching /
> Automatic Search Engine Searches: LexiURL Searcher / Web Crawling:
> SocSciBot
> / Search Engines and Data Reliability / Tracking User Actions Online /
> Advanced Techniques / Summary and Future Directions
>
>
>
> Sample Table Of Contents
>
>
>
> 2. Web Impact Assessment
>
> 2.1 Web Impact Assessment Via Web Mentions
>
> 2.2 Bespoke Web Citation Indexes
>
> 2.3 Content Analysis
>
> 2.3.1 Category Choices
>
> 2.3.2 Sampling Methods
>
> 2.3.3 Example
>
> 2.3.4 Validity
>
> 2.4 URL Analysis of the Spread of Results
>
> 2.5 Web Impact Reports
>
> 2.6 Web Citation Analysis—An Information Science Application
>
> 2.7 Advanced Web Impact Studies
>
>
>
> Access To Detailed Table of Contents and Links To Publisher Site And Open
> Access Versions Available At
>
>
>
> [ http://tinyurl.com/kv5rq7 ]
>
>
>
> Enjoy !
>
>
>
> /Gerry
>
>
>
> Gerry McKiernan
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Science and Technology Librarian
>
> Iowa State University Library
>
> Ames IA 50011
>
> gerrymck at iastate.edu
>
>
>
> There is Nothing More Powerful Than An Idea Whose Time Has Come / Victor
> Hugo
>
> [ http://www.blogger.com/profile/09093368136660604490 ]
>
>
>
> Iowa: Where the Tall Corn Flows and the (North)West Wind Blows
>
> [ http://alternativeenergyblogs.blogspot.com/ ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:12:42 -0500
> From: "Kevil, L H." <KevilL at missouri.edu>
> Subject: [Web4lib] Download text from Google books
> To: <web4lib at webjunction.org>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 4F5B157631B6C848A811A6902E8BD5E1053FCE0C at UM-XMAIL04.um.umsystem.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> We've got a new problem: how to download text from Google books. We're
> talking about small amounts of text, which would be covered by academic
> fair use.
>
>
>
> All the suggestions we have retrieved - by googling, of course - have
> not panned out, including Google book downloader. Saving pages as
> graphics and then OCRing them hasn't worked either. Our OCR software is
> not very functional.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions would be most welcome. TIA,
>
>
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
> L. Hunter Kevil, Ph.D.
> Collection Development Librarian
> University of Missouri
> Columbia, MO 65201
> 573-884-8760
> kevill at missouri.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:00:49 -0500
> From: "Kevil, L H." <KevilL at missouri.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Download text from Google books
> To: <lcohn at bplnj.org>
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 4F5B157631B6C848A811A6902E8BD5E1053FCE14 at UM-XMAIL04.um.umsystem.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, Lisa. Screen shots will work for normal
> purposes. I've done that and then run the printout through OCR. This
> takes more time than simply typing the text out.
>
> But consider the case of a student needing to quote a paragraph or so,
> perhaps across two or more pages, working around a photo or graph. The
> paper is for a fussy professor who insists on his page margins, a
> specified type face and point size, and MLA style, particularly for
> footnotes, etc. Here the time-pressed student could use a quick -
> perhaps QAD - way to download the text and import it into a Microsoft
> Word document. It's an interesting problem.
>
> Hunter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L Cohn [mailto:lcohn at bplnj.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:51 AM
> To: Kevil, L H.
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Download text from Google books
>
>
> Get whatever you like centered on your screen and take a screen shot
> (Print Screen Button).
> Lisa
>
> ------------------------------------
> Lisa Cohn, ILL, WebMaster, Reference
> Bloomfield Public Library, bplnj.org
> 90 Broad Street, Bloomfield, NJ 07003
> 973-566-6200x217, lcohn at bplnj.org
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Kevil, L H." <KevilL at missouri.edu>
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:12:42 -0500
>
> >We've got a new problem: how to download text from Google books. We're
> >talking about small amounts of text, which would be covered by
> academic
> >fair use.
> >
> >
> >
> >All the suggestions we have retrieved - by googling, of course - have
> >not panned out, including Google book downloader. Saving pages as
> >graphics and then OCRing them hasn't worked either. Our OCR software is
> >not very functional.
> >
> >
> >
> >Any suggestions would be most welcome. TIA,
> >
> >
> >
> >Hunter
> >
> >
> >
> >L. Hunter Kevil, Ph.D.
> >Collection Development Librarian
> >University of Missouri
> >Columbia, MO 65201
> >573-884-8760
> >kevill at missouri.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Web4lib mailing list
> >Web4lib at webjunction.org
> >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:25:20 -0400
> From: Thomas Dowling <tdowling at ohiolink.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Download text from Google books
> To: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Message-ID: <4A1FF050.3010504 at ohiolink.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
> On 05/29/2009 10:00 AM, Kevil, L H. wrote:
> >
> > But consider the case of a student needing to quote a paragraph or so,
> > perhaps across two or more pages, working around a photo or graph. The
> > paper is for a fussy professor who insists on his page margins, a
> > specified type face and point size, and MLA style, particularly for
> > footnotes, etc. Here the time-pressed student could use a quick -
> > perhaps QAD - way to download the text and import it into a Microsoft
> > Word document. It's an interesting problem.
> >
>
> What would you expect students to do if they were working from something as
> technologically backward as a print book? Because, between their own
> instincts
> and their obligations to publishers, Google won't necessarily provide
> functionality beyond what you get in print.
>
>
> --
> Thomas Dowling
> tdowling at ohiolink.edu
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bob Rasmussen <ras at anzio.com>
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Download text from Google books
> To: "Kevil, L H." <KevilL at missouri.edu>
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0905290752150.29869 at nimbus.anzio.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> It would appear, from a quick look over Google Books, that you must
> differentiate between "Limited preview" books and "full view" books.
>
> For limited preview books, no text is presented, only page images. In
> fact, Google may not have OCRed the books yet, so they have no text to
> present. Your only option is to OCR the image (or retype it).
>
> For full view books, you can view in text mode, then select all, then
> copy, then paste into Notepad (for instance), then find the part you want.
> Still not easy.
>
> On Fri, 29 May 2009, Kevil, L H. wrote:
>
> > We've got a new problem: how to download text from Google books. We're
> > talking about small amounts of text, which would be covered by academic
> > fair use.
> >
> >
> >
> > All the suggestions we have retrieved - by googling, of course - have
> > not panned out, including Google book downloader. Saving pages as
> > graphics and then OCRing them hasn't worked either. Our OCR software is
> > not very functional.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions would be most welcome. TIA,
> >
> >
> >
> > Hunter
> >
> >
> >
> > L. Hunter Kevil, Ph.D.
> > Collection Development Librarian
> > University of Missouri
> > Columbia, MO 65201
> > 573-884-8760
> > kevill at missouri.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4lib at webjunction.org
> > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.
>
> personal e-mail: ras at anzio.com
> company e-mail: rsi at anzio.com
> voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time)
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