[Web4lib] Getting Rid of IE 6

Fri Apr 10 17:49:46 EDT 2009

No, but the law's the law.
... and I might want to cover my recalcitrant rump.

David.

2009/4/10 Tim Spalding <tim at librarything.com>

> Are 6% of your users blind?
>
> T
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, David King <davidleeking at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I use the 5% rule - if it drops below 5%, we don't support it.
> >
> > David Lee King
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> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Tim Spalding <tim at librarything.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your sentiment is good, I think, but clearly there's a limit.
> >> Supporting Netscape 2 would be so costly and useful to so few that no
> >> web developer—government or not—would do it. In the business world,
> >> it's a pretty clear-cut benefit/gain decision. What do you think the
> >> rule should be for libraries?
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, L Cohn <lcohn at bplnj.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm sorry, perhaps I'm missing something here, but aren't we supposed
> to
> >> > be making our websites accessible to people using a variety of
> browsers so
> >> > that they can access our catalogs and find information on our sites?
>  This
> >> > discussion sounds like we're turning up our noses at our own
> clientele.
> >> >  Some people are so technophobic that we're lucky they're looking in
> the
> >> > catalog at all, much less stopping what they're doing to download what
> we
> >> > consider to be proper for them.  Make your website accessible to them,
> don't
> >> > throw roadblocks in their way by throwing messages up on the screens.
>  If
> >> > you work with the general public long enough, you notice that they
> aren't
> >> > even reading the messages that pop up in front of them.  The ones who
> know
> >> > computers, just click OK and ignore the message.  The ones who are
> >> > technophobic see the word install and run screaming from the computer,
> >> > afraid they broke something.
> >> >
> >> > You're just scaring them off the world wide web. Stop throwing
> >> > roadblocks at them.  It's your job to make your website accessible,
> not
> >> > theirs.
> >> >
> >> > Lisa
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >>Lisa Cohn, ILL, WebMaster,  Reference
> >> >>Bloomfield Public Library,  bplnj.org
> >> >>90 Broad Street, Bloomfield, NJ 07003
> >> >>  973-566-6200x217, lcohn at bplnj.org
> >> >>------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> >>From: David Kane <dkane at wit.ie>
> >> >>Date:  Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:02:46 +0100
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hi David,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Run a Javascript browser detection script that advises them to
> update.
> >> >>>If this update is a problem for them, - then they need more help that
> >> >>> you
> >> >>>could ever give..
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>David Kane
> >> >>>Waterford Institute of Technology
> >> >>>Ireland.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>2009/4/10 Cloutman, David <DCloutman at co.marin.ca.us>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hi Everyone,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> My library is looking to launch our new Web site last month
> (hurray).
> >> >>>> Early in the development process, about 6 months ago, I had to make
> a
> >> >>>> decision about what browsers the new site would support in terms of
> >> >>>> HTML
> >> >>>> / CSS. My goal was at least 95% support of what was being used. At
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> time, I looked at the numbers, and decided that IE6 would be going
> >> >>>> away,
> >> >>>> and that over the life of the site, it wouldn't be an issue. (I
> >> >>>> figure a
> >> >>>> typical site keeps a template for about 3 years.) The problem is
> that
> >> >>>> the IE 6 market share has only gone down marginally since I made
> that
> >> >>>> decision, and I'm looking at about 90% - 93% browser support at
> >> >>>> launch
> >> >>>> time. It's not the end of the world, but in order to mitigate the
> >> >>>> issue,
> >> >>>> I have posted a browser detecting JavaScript routine that looks for
> >> >>>> versions if IE <=6, and then displays a message telling them to
> >> >>>> upgrade.
> >> >>>> The technology works great. I'm tracking all the IE 6 hits through
> >> >>>> images that load in the message. I'm also tracking click-throughs
> to
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> IE Upgrade page and the Firefox page. (I wanted to give people
> >> >>>> options.)
> >> >>>> The problem is that after a week I'm still getting a lot of hits,
> but
> >> >>>> diminishing numbers of click-throughs. Part of the problem may be
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> the IE upgrade page on the Microsoft's site doesn't load flawlessly
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>> IE 6. (Oops.) The other problem may be that people saw the warning
> >> >>>> regarding the pending non-support of their browser, and my rather
> >> >>>> technical disclaimer urging them to upgrade, and are now ignoring
> it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So here's my question for the list. How do I communicate to users,
> >> >>>> who
> >> >>>> for all I know may not even know the meaning of the word "upgrade",
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> they need to visit the Microsoft site, work through the issues, and
> >> >>>> install a new piece of software? Also, and this is more fun issue,
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> the ones that are really just lazy or obstinate, how do I grab
> their
> >> >>>> attention. I am not above using Lolcats or dancing hamsters.
> Creative
> >> >>>> suggestions are welcome.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Happy Friday,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - David
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ---
> >> >>>> David Cloutman <dcloutman at co.marin.ca.us>
> >> >>>> Electronic Services Librarian
> >> >>>> Marin County Free Library
> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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