[Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries

Cloutman, David DCloutman at co.marin.ca.us
Wed Jul 9 13:39:00 EDT 2008 

Could you explain how an open source ILS precludes end users from using
a Microsoft desktop? Our III catalog runs on Solaris, and we still use
Windows for our clients. Evergreen has a Windows client. 

I get your point about training if you are talking about changing to
desktop Linux, but your example is more FUD than fact.



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David Cloutman <dcloutman at co.marin.ca.us>
Electronic Services Librarian
Marin County Free Library 

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lin Light
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:28 AM
To: Yvonne M Mulhern; web4lib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries


Simple analysis of cost vs benefit.

One example is the decision taken place regarding open source ILS. If
your 
institution has the staffing that is up on and into open source it is
fine. 
Many libraries will stay with MS products because at current that is
what 
their IT is schooled in. Yes they can be trained but we don't pay that
much 
for licensing when compared to training of not just IT, but other
library 
staff that will provide frontline support. 
I know this will probably get me in hot water with lots of folks but
lets 
face it. Cost it out.

Lin


Lin Light
Head of Computer
 & Technical Services
Herrick District Library
300 South River Ave.
Holland, MI 49423
Voice 616-355-3727
Fax   616-355-1426

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Yvonne M Mulhern" <miss.cybrarian at gmail.com>
To: "Lin Light" <llight at herrickdl.org>, web4lib at webjunction.org
Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:58:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries

> *We need to have folks coming out of library school with a stronger
> background in how
> to manage known technologies and not just how to apply them.
> 
> *Interesting point. What are some examples of this that you've
encountered?
>
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> 
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Lin Light <llight at herrickdl.org>
wrote:
> 
> > You have hit upon something that definitely needs to be addressed. I
have
> > for
> > a number of years now saw myself more of a manager than a librarian.
We
> > need
> > to have folks coming out of library school with a stronger
background in
> > how
> > to manage known technologies and not just how to apply  them.
> >
> > Lin
> >
> >
> > Lin Light
> > Head of Computer
> >  & Technical Services
> > Herrick District Library
> > 300 South River Ave.
> > Holland, MI 49423
> > Voice 616-355-3727
> > Fax   616-355-1426
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Christopher Kiess" <clkiess at gmail.com>
> > To: "Lin Light" <llight at herrickdl.org>
> > Cc: "Bill Drew" <dreww at tc3.edu>, web4lib at webjunction.org
> > Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:53:05 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> >
> > > One of the things I mentioned in the initial post was that an MBA
> > > might be more appropriate than the MLS. What we are talking about
is
> > > the skill set we possess as librarians. You write of marketing and
> > > targeting or seeking out populations. Would an MBA or MLS graduate
> > > be more prepared for this?
> > >
> > > Change does occur slowly. I think you are right on that count and
it
> > > is true we are not R&D think tanks. But, I think having some
> > > technical skills in information management would be a start. MSU
has
> > > more than a few programs I think are on the right track.
> > >
> > > chris
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Lin Light <llight at herrickdl.org>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > I must ask the question. Are we just talking about technology
here? Or
> > > > libraries on the whole.
> > > >
> > > > If one is referring to libraries in general than they haven't
been
> > working
> > > > very closely with Public Services. We have changed and are
> > re-evaluating
> > > > how
> > > > we market our institution. Yes market. A new concept to some. We
are
> > taking
> > > > a
> > > > pro-active approach to services because funding isn't what it
used to
> > be.
> > > > We
> > > > are more aggressively seeking out new population groups that we
may
> > have
> > > > overlooked in the past when the "living was easy."
> > > >
> > > > As far as stating that reacting to new trends and technology
isn't
> > change.
> > > > Well libraries aren't R & D institutions. Most libraries are
losing
> > funding
> > > > so we do have to look at the best bang for the buck. And we
can't
> > implement
> > > > change just because some professional feels unfulfilled.
> > > >
> > > > I have been on this block since 1977 and in this position since
1981. 
I
> > > > have
> > > > seen change and some came as a result of pressure. And you know
what.
> > Those
> > > > changes that had the greatest effect came as a result of
evolution and
> > not
> > > > a
> > > > flash of lightning.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > Now back to work
> > > >
> > > > Lin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lin Light
> > > > Head of Computer
> > > >  & Technical Services
> > > > Herrick District Library
> > > > 300 South River Ave.
> > > > Holland, MI 49423
> > > > Voice 616-355-3727
> > > > Fax   616-355-1426
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > From: "Christopher Kiess" <clkiess at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Bill Drew" <dreww at tc3.edu>
> > > > Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> > > > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:49:05 -0400
> > > > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> > > >
> > > > > All right everyone. I'm going to play the Devil's advocate
since I
> > > > > am one of those who set this train in motion. I've heard a lot
of
> > > > > claims that libraries are changing and that we "are doing this
or
> > that."
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I want to delineate between the library and the
librarian.
> > > > > They are two separate elements and I often hear librarians
identify
> > > > > themselves with the library.  Libraries can only change if
> > > > > librarians change them. Libraries are the tool and librarians
are
> > > > > the experts who use the tool [WINDOWS-1252?]&#65533; like a
sculptor
> > with
> > > > chisel
> > > > and hammer.
> > > > >
> > > > > For centuries, librarians have been responsible for the
acquisition,
> > > > > organization and dissemination of information. That is no
longer so.
> > > > > The internet has changed that. While I might agree that
libraries
> > > > > (and librarians) will continue to exist well into the future,
my
> > > > > question is one of usefulness and whether they will flourish
as they
> > > > > once did. Will they thrive?
> > > > >
> > > > > I take issue with the claim that libraries have changed and
they are
> > > > > changing. I ask: how so? Let's examine this claim. I propose
the
> > > > following:
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Librarians have not changed and they have simply
reacted
> > > > > with the changing times; that is not true change
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Libraries as a physical space have not changed with
the
> > > > exception
> > > > > of adding computer clusters and varying media to keep pace
with the
> > times
> > > > > (Did it take an MLS to make that change? How progressive!)
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Librarians essentially "missed the boat" with the
advent
> > > > > of the Internet. We play very small roles on the Internet and
IT/IS
> > > > graduates
> > > > >
> > > > > (people who actually were progressive in their educations)
snatched
> > those
> > > > > roles (though there are a number of us working on taxonomies,
> > > > >  intranets and in special libraries supporting those causes
> > > > [WINDOWS-1252?]
> > > > &#65533; the
> > > > > future)
> > > > >
> > > > > -          The MLS is slowly becoming obsolete with cataloging
being
> > > > > outsourced, reference services being filled with non-MLS
graduates
> > > > > and fewer jobs for the MLS (to some extent, academic libraries
are
> > > > > the exception to this rule)
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Our OPACs and digital libraries are largely useless
since
> > > > > we cannot market or sell them and, ironically, their search
> > > > > functionality is essentially a joke. (See:
> > > > >
http://www.techsource.ala.org/blog/2006/03/how-opacs-suck-part-1-
> > > > > relevance-rank-or-the-lack-of-it.html )
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Finally, anytime this subject comes up, twenty
librarians
> > > > > jump up and shout about how many changes they have made.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, tell me: What exactly are all of those changes and how did
the
> > > > > MLS support them? Because I would propose libraries aren't
really
> > > > > that different and the changes we have made did not require
some
> > > > > special skill or education that gives us cause for our
ritualistic
> > > > > "self-celebration" we love so much in this profession. Tell me
> > [WINDOWS-
> > > > 1252?]&#65533; why
> > > > > are we so great and what changes have we made? I honestly hope
> > > > > someone can prove me wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Devil's Advocate
> > > > >
> > > > > C.L. Kiess, B.A., M.L.S.
> > > > > Information & Knowledge Specialist
> > > > > Columbus Regional Hospital
> > > > > Library & Knowledge Services
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I wasn't singling out any one individual.  I was just
commenting 
on
> > the
> > > > > > general thread of the discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan2 at yahoo.com> 7/7/2008 4:56 PM >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know if you are including any of my posts on the ALA
> > "futures"
> > > > > > panel discussion in your "handwringing about all of our
> > handwringing
> > > > > > about the future of libraries" comment. If you are, that's
not 
what
> > I
> > > > > > was doing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was simply saying I was getting tired of the futurists'
old
> > "change
> > > > > > or die" spiel. The futurists sometimes act as if libraries
are not
> > > > > > changing. Libraries are changing, although some are changing
> > more/less
> > > > > > than others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bernie Sloan
> > > > > > Sora Associates
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu>
> > > > > > > Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> > > > > > > To: "Chris Strauber" <cstrauber at gmail.com>, "Dan Lester"
> > > > > > <dan at riverofdata.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> > > > > > > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:14 AM
> > > > > > > It has been interesting to read all of the handwringing
> > > > > > > about all of our
> > > > > > > handwringing about the future of libraries.  It is a major
> > > > > > > part of being
> > > > > > > a librarian to always being forward looking and discussing
> > > > > > > the future.
> > > > > > > Why whine about that?  It makes no sense.  The only
> > > > > > > constant in our
> > > > > > > profession for the last 50 years has been change.  Just
> > > > > > > deal with it and
> > > > > > > move on.  Change is why I enjoy being a librarian.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
> > > > > > > Assistant Professor
> > > > > > > Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
> > > > > > > Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library:
> > > > > > > http://www.tc3.edu/library/
> > > > > > > Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
> > > > > > > E-mail: dreww at tc3.edu
> > > > > > > Phone: 607-844-8222 ext.4406
> > > > > > > AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4
> > > > > > > Online Identity: http://claimID.com/billdrew
> > > > > > > StrengthsQuest: Ideation, Input, Learner, Activator,
> > > > > > > Communication
> > > > > > > http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill_Drew/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > --
> > > > > C.L. Kiess, B.A., M.L.S.
> > > > > Information & Knowledge Specialist
> > > > > Columbus Regional Hospital
> > > > > Library & Knowledge Services
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> > > Columbus Regional Hospital
> > > Library & Knowledge Services
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