[Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries

Yvonne M Mulhern miss.cybrarian at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 11:58:27 EDT 2008 

*We need to have folks coming out of library school with a stronger
background in how
to manage known technologies and not just how to apply them.

*Interesting point. What are some examples of this that you've encountered?
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Lin Light <llight at herrickdl.org> wrote:

> You have hit upon something that definitely needs to be addressed. I have
> for
> a number of years now saw myself more of a manager than a librarian. We
> need
> to have folks coming out of library school with a stronger background in
> how
> to manage known technologies and not just how to apply  them.
>
> Lin
>
>
> Lin Light
> Head of Computer
>  & Technical Services
> Herrick District Library
> 300 South River Ave.
> Holland, MI 49423
> Voice 616-355-3727
> Fax   616-355-1426
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Christopher Kiess" <clkiess at gmail.com>
> To: "Lin Light" <llight at herrickdl.org>
> Cc: "Bill Drew" <dreww at tc3.edu>, web4lib at webjunction.org
> Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:53:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
>
> > One of the things I mentioned in the initial post was that an MBA
> > might be more appropriate than the MLS. What we are talking about is
> > the skill set we possess as librarians. You write of marketing and
> > targeting or seeking out populations. Would an MBA or MLS graduate
> > be more prepared for this?
> >
> > Change does occur slowly. I think you are right on that count and it
> > is true we are not R&D think tanks. But, I think having some
> > technical skills in information management would be a start. MSU has
> > more than a few programs I think are on the right track.
> >
> > chris
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Lin Light <llight at herrickdl.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I must ask the question. Are we just talking about technology here? Or
> > > libraries on the whole.
> > >
> > > If one is referring to libraries in general than they haven't been
> working
> > > very closely with Public Services. We have changed and are
> re-evaluating
> > > how
> > > we market our institution. Yes market. A new concept to some. We are
> taking
> > > a
> > > pro-active approach to services because funding isn't what it used to
> be.
> > > We
> > > are more aggressively seeking out new population groups that we may
> have
> > > overlooked in the past when the "living was easy."
> > >
> > > As far as stating that reacting to new trends and technology isn't
> change.
> > > Well libraries aren't R & D institutions. Most libraries are losing
> funding
> > > so we do have to look at the best bang for the buck. And we can't
> implement
> > > change just because some professional feels unfulfilled.
> > >
> > > I have been on this block since 1977 and in this position since 1981. I
> > > have
> > > seen change and some came as a result of pressure. And you know what.
> Those
> > > changes that had the greatest effect came as a result of evolution and
> not
> > > a
> > > flash of lightning.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time
> > > Now back to work
> > >
> > > Lin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lin Light
> > > Head of Computer
> > >  & Technical Services
> > > Herrick District Library
> > > 300 South River Ave.
> > > Holland, MI 49423
> > > Voice 616-355-3727
> > > Fax   616-355-1426
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: "Christopher Kiess" <clkiess at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Bill Drew" <dreww at tc3.edu>
> > > Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> > > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:49:05 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> > >
> > > > All right everyone. I'm going to play the Devil's advocate since I
> > > > am one of those who set this train in motion. I've heard a lot of
> > > > claims that libraries are changing and that we "are doing this or
> that."
> > > >
> > > > First, I want to delineate between the library and the librarian.
> > > > They are two separate elements and I often hear librarians identify
> > > > themselves with the library.  Libraries can only change if
> > > > librarians change them. Libraries are the tool and librarians are
> > > > the experts who use the tool [WINDOWS-1252?]&#65533; like a sculptor
> with
> > > chisel
> > > and hammer.
> > > >
> > > > For centuries, librarians have been responsible for the acquisition,
> > > > organization and dissemination of information. That is no longer so.
> > > > The internet has changed that. While I might agree that libraries
> > > > (and librarians) will continue to exist well into the future, my
> > > > question is one of usefulness and whether they will flourish as they
> > > > once did. Will they thrive?
> > > >
> > > > I take issue with the claim that libraries have changed and they are
> > > > changing. I ask: how so? Let's examine this claim. I propose the
> > > following:
> > > >
> > > > -          Librarians have not changed and they have simply reacted
> > > > with the changing times; that is not true change
> > > >
> > > > -          Libraries as a physical space have not changed with the
> > > exception
> > > > of adding computer clusters and varying media to keep pace with the
> times
> > > > (Did it take an MLS to make that change? How progressive!)
> > > >
> > > > -          Librarians essentially "missed the boat" with the advent
> > > > of the Internet. We play very small roles on the Internet and IT/IS
> > > graduates
> > > >
> > > > (people who actually were progressive in their educations) snatched
> those
> > > > roles (though there are a number of us working on taxonomies,
> > > >  intranets and in special libraries supporting those causes
> > > [WINDOWS-1252?]
> > > &#65533; the
> > > > future)
> > > >
> > > > -          The MLS is slowly becoming obsolete with cataloging being
> > > > outsourced, reference services being filled with non-MLS graduates
> > > > and fewer jobs for the MLS (to some extent, academic libraries are
> > > > the exception to this rule)
> > > >
> > > > -          Our OPACs and digital libraries are largely useless since
> > > > we cannot market or sell them and, ironically, their search
> > > > functionality is essentially a joke. (See:
> > > > http://www.techsource.ala.org/blog/2006/03/how-opacs-suck-part-1-
> > > > relevance-rank-or-the-lack-of-it.html )
> > > >
> > > > -          Finally, anytime this subject comes up, twenty librarians
> > > > jump up and shout about how many changes they have made.
> > > >
> > > > So, tell me: What exactly are all of those changes and how did the
> > > > MLS support them? Because I would propose libraries aren't really
> > > > that different and the changes we have made did not require some
> > > > special skill or education that gives us cause for our ritualistic
> > > > "self-celebration" we love so much in this profession. Tell me
> [WINDOWS-
> > > 1252?]&#65533; why
> > > > are we so great and what changes have we made? I honestly hope
> > > > someone can prove me wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Signed,
> > > >
> > > > Devil's Advocate
> > > >
> > > > C.L. Kiess, B.A., M.L.S.
> > > > Information & Knowledge Specialist
> > > > Columbus Regional Hospital
> > > > Library & Knowledge Services
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wasn't singling out any one individual.  I was just commenting on
> the
> > > > > general thread of the discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan2 at yahoo.com> 7/7/2008 4:56 PM >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if you are including any of my posts on the ALA
> "futures"
> > > > > panel discussion in your "handwringing about all of our
> handwringing
> > > > > about the future of libraries" comment. If you are, that's not what
> I
> > > > > was doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was simply saying I was getting tired of the futurists' old
> "change
> > > > > or die" spiel. The futurists sometimes act as if libraries are not
> > > > > changing. Libraries are changing, although some are changing
> more/less
> > > > > than others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie Sloan
> > > > > Sora Associates
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Bill Drew <dreww at tc3.edu>
> > > > > > Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Future of libraries
> > > > > > To: "Chris Strauber" <cstrauber at gmail.com>, "Dan Lester"
> > > > > <dan at riverofdata.com>
> > > > > > Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> > > > > > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:14 AM
> > > > > > It has been interesting to read all of the handwringing
> > > > > > about all of our
> > > > > > handwringing about the future of libraries.  It is a major
> > > > > > part of being
> > > > > > a librarian to always being forward looking and discussing
> > > > > > the future.
> > > > > > Why whine about that?  It makes no sense.  The only
> > > > > > constant in our
> > > > > > profession for the last 50 years has been change.  Just
> > > > > > deal with it and
> > > > > > move on.  Change is why I enjoy being a librarian.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------
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> > > > > > Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
> > > > > > Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library:
> > > > > > http://www.tc3.edu/library/
> > > > > > Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
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> > > > --
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> > > > Columbus Regional Hospital
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> > Columbus Regional Hospital
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