From bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 11:52:54 2007 From: bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com (Bonnie Tijerina) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:53:02 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] ER&L Conference Keynotes Announced & Registration Deadline Approaching Message-ID: Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007: thinkdigital_ February 22-24, 2007 Global Learning and Conference Center, Georgia Institute of Technology *********************************************** *Keynotes* ER&L is pleased to announce our keynote speakers: Rick Luce, Vice-Provost and Director of Libraries at Emory University and Jane Burke, VP of ProQuest Information and Learning, and General Manager of Serials Solutions. *Just added* Welcome Reception - Wednesday, February 21st, 6-8pm Join the GA Tech Library & Information Center, latest winner of the ACRL Excellence in Libraries Award, for a Welcome Reception including tours of recent renovations of our Library Commons and digital projects space. *Topics* ER&L2007's 47 sessions fall under 10 timely topics including: e-resources delivery & promotion, users & usability, collaboration in managing e-resources, and digital initiatives. http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/moodle/course/category.php?id=21 *Registration ends February 7th* http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/moodle/index.php?pid=12 *Wondering where attendees are coming from?* Check out our interactive real-time map: http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/moodle/mod/resource/view.php?id=501 If you cannot attend the conference, consider attending online. For more information, go to: http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/moodle/index.php?pid=25 -- Bonnie Tijerina Electronic Resources Coordinator, Collection Development Georgia Institute of Technology Library and Information Center Atlanta, GA 30332-0900 404-385-2044 AIM: bltijerina bonnie.tijerina@library.gatech.edu From seedwards at amherst.edu Thu Feb 1 16:23:12 2007 From: seedwards at amherst.edu (Susan E. Edwards) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:24:21 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Two Librarian Positions Open at Amherst College Message-ID: <48427E4240E0294FA038365310B19907692822@mail7.amherst.edu> LIBRARIAN OPENINGS AMHERST COLLEGE LIBRARY, AMHERST, MA Amherst College is a liberal arts college committed to creating a community diverse in background (without regard for ability to pay) and to fostering a balance of intellectual and community engagement. Amherst College Library has outstanding research level collections and resources but is small enough for individualized work with students and faculty. As part of the Five College Consortium, students take classes and borrow materials from three nearby colleges and the University of Massachusetts/Amherst. Amherst College Library seeks two enthusiastic librarians strongly committed to undergraduate education and to the active support of faculty and student research to join its Public Services. Successful candidates will be expected to contribute to Library initiatives that further the College's commitment to diversity and inclusion. ACCESS SERVICES LIBRARIAN The Access Services Librarian will lead a team of at least eight staff and sixty-five student employees responsible for circulation stack maintenance, reserves, and direct loans among the Five College libraries. The Access Services Librarian will play a key role in the evaluation and management of modules in a new integrated library system (Ex Libris) and represent Amherst College Library on Five College committees overseeing the new system. The Access Services Librarian must be able to plan long term for the effective organization and maintenance of collections and the allocation of space in light of changing technology and new forms of scholarly communication. S/he will also participate in general reference and instruction, providing individual guidance and group instruction in identifying, retrieving and evaluating information in all formats. S/he will also contribute to the Library's Collection Development Group, serving as liaison and selector for at least one department in the social sciences or humanities. S/he reports to the Head of Public Services. Qualifications: Must have a strong academic background in humanities or social sciences as well as a Master's Degree from an ALA-accredited program. Minimum of 3 years professional service in an academic library, with substantial experience in using integrated library systems and in reference and/or instruction. Must have experience supervising people and programs and be willing to pay special attention to staff development and training. Must be fluent in current and emerging library technology and possess strong skills in using statistics for assessing and enhancing public services, collection building, and space planning. Strong communication skills required. Must show willingness to tackle challenges in library public services with energy and enthusiasm. Demonstrated ability to teach, collection development experience, and working knowledge of at least one foreign language strongly preferred. REFERENCE/INTERLIBRARY LOAN LIBRARIAN The Reference/Interlibrary Loan librarian will offer individual reference consultations and group instruction in identifying, retrieving and evaluating information in all formats. S/he will serve as liaison to at least three academic departments in humanities and/or social sciences, developing collections, monitoring budgets, selecting print and electronic resources, and communicating about the Library to faculty. S/he will participate in the development of the Library's website, with an emphasis on selecting resources for courses and for liaison departments. In addition, the Reference/Interlibrary Loan Librarian will assume responsibility for the most effective delivery of research materials not owned by the Amherst College Library and will supervise the Library's interlibrary loan and document delivery services. S/he will be knowledgeable about current trends in technology and in academic publishing and will formulate long term plans for delivery services within the context of those trends. This librarian will apply strong analytical skills to use information generated by interlibrary and document delivery services to assess and enhance public services and resource building. S/he reports to Head of Public Services. Qualifications: Must have an academic background in humanities or social sciences as well as a Master's Degree from an ALA-accredited program. Minimum of 3 years professional service in an academic library, including experience with interlibrary cooperation and reference and/or instruction. Demonstrated ability to teach required. Must be fluent with current and emerging information technology, especially with systems that facilitate delivery of research materials from beyond local libraries and with statistical analysis of services. Strong interpersonal and communications skills required. Demonstrated capacity for close cooperation with students , faculty, college administrators and staff within and outside the Library. Must be enthusiastic about playing an active role in undergraduate education and must demonstrate an awareness of issues and developments in the liberal arts curriculum. Must be willing to tackle challenges in library services, showing patience, tact, and good humor in the face of the demands of public service. Supervisory experience, collection development expertise, and a working knowledge of at least one foreign language strongly preferred. Applications received before March 2, 2007 are guaranteed consideration. Applications will be accepted until the positions are filled. Interested candidates should submit a letter of application, resume, and names of three references to Access Services Librarian Search Committee OR Reference/Interlibrary Loan Librarian Search Committee, Office of Human Resources, Amherst College, AC #2204, Amherst MA 01002-5000. From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 17:40:33 2007 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:40:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] FRBRized Digital Collection Software Message-ID: <97d9c0c70702011440p48a41622ke272a282a987208e@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, I'm looking at implementing a FRBR-ized Digital Collection*, and was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for software to use. I have looked at Greenstone, but it may be a bit too much for what I want. This is also for a school project, so it would have to be OSS, if at all possible. Thoughts? Thanks, Andrew *Digital Collection = a collection of digital objects (images of pages of a book in my case); as opposed to digital surrogates of physical items... From luisgutierrez at peoplepc.com Thu Feb 1 18:55:45 2007 From: luisgutierrez at peoplepc.com (Luis Gutierrez) Date: Thu Feb 1 18:56:05 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Solidarity, Sustainability, and Non-Violence ~ February 2007 Message-ID: <45C27E01.9070605@peoplepc.com> Dear friends, May I invite you to see the current issue of the following free e-newsletter: Solidarity, Sustainability, and Non-Violence Volume 3, Number 2, February 2007 http://www.pelican-consulting.com/solisustv03n02.html This issue includes: * Analysis of the U.N. Millennium Development Goals o Focus on Goal 2: Universal Primary Education * Review of UNICEF's "State of the World's Children 2007" * Web site review of "Facing the Future" (K-K16 educational materials) * Knowledge organization model for our growing links directory * Another view of the prayer-study-action model of human development * Reflection on approaching the 40th anniversary of "Humanae vitae" * Brief meditation (poem) on tolerance by John T. Baker See also the "invited article" .... "Will women ever govern the Roman Catholic Church?" by John Wijngaards http://www.pelican-consulting.com/solisustv03n02wijngaards.html Please notice the call for papers and the upgraded resource directories. Feedback is always welcome. Sincerely, Luis Luis T. Gutierrez, Ph.D. Editor, Solidarity, Sustainability, and Non-Violence Mail, solidarity-sustainability-owner@googlegroups.com Subscribe, solidarity-sustainability-subscribe@googlegroups.com From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Feb 1 19:59:38 2007 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Thu Feb 1 20:03:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Custom Search Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070201195855.05010b90@pop.mindspring.com> At 12:10 PM 1/31/2007, Mark Costa wrote: >All, > >I am trying to compile a list of web sites, library preferably but others >will do, that use CSE. I am primarily interested in sites that use Google >CSE, but others are welcomed. > >If you have knowledge of, or are responsible for, an implementation of a >CSE, please send me the URL. You can reply to me off list. I will compile >the list and make it available to the members of the listserv. You can find CSE's that use Google's tool by searching Google for: inurl:cse site:google.com inurl:coop add keywords to narrow down the flavor of what you're getting. Tara ResearchBuzz tara@researchbuzz.com From carlos at csus.edu Thu Feb 1 20:49:39 2007 From: carlos at csus.edu (Carlos Rodriguez) Date: Thu Feb 1 20:49:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Dean of the University Library (Sacramento, CA) Message-ID: <52B914D66FE6974A952ECCACE81B36420114BC11@libmail1.libad.csus.edu> Apologies for cross-posting... California State University, Sacramento is conducting a search for Dean of the University Library. For more information, please see the position description and call for applicants: http://library.csus.edu/content2.asp?pageID=477 ************************************************** J. Carlos Rodriguez, MLIS Director, Library Systems & Information Technology California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento, California 95819-6039 916-278-5659 (office) - 916-278-3891(fax) carlos@csus.edu From icsd at drtc.isibang.ac.in Fri Feb 2 03:07:03 2007 From: icsd at drtc.isibang.ac.in (Dr. A.R.D. Prasad) Date: Fri Feb 2 03:07:24 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Tutorial on EPrints at ICSD-2007 Message-ID: <200702020815.l128Fm9f011658@drtc.isibang.ac.in> Dear Professionals, We are glad to inform that there will be a tutorial on EPrints at the International Conference on Semantic Web & Digital Libraries (ICSD-2007) by Dr. Leslie Carr, Researcher at Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia Group, Department of Electronics and Computer Science, Unviersity of Southampton, UK . Please check updates of ICSD-2007 at (http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/icsd) Date: February 21, 2007 Time: 10:00 am - 1:00 pm Conference venue: NIMHANS Convention Centre, National Institute of Mental Health and Neuro Sciences (NIMHANS), Hosur Road, Bangalore From Paul.Miller at talis.com Fri Feb 2 08:20:09 2007 From: Paul.Miller at talis.com (Paul Miller) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:20:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Talis webinar: Building Union catalogues with the Talis Platform Message-ID: Over on the Panlibus blog, I recently reflected [1] on current interest in the humble - and much maligned - union catalogue. To demonstrate some of the ways in which the Talis Platform can power current and future union catalogues of various types, why not set aside an hour in your calendar to join your peers in a Talis-hosted webinar on the topic? Building Union Catalogues with the Talis Platform Thursday 22 February, 1500GMT - 1600GMT The business model, attitude and technology behind the Talis Platform fundamentally shift the proposition around the construction, maintenance and use of union catalogue-type applications, from the formal groupings prevalent today through to a new breed of ad hoc unions capable of cheaply, rapidly and sustainably meeting the needs of non-traditional institutional groupings or even individuals. - Freely shared - yet adequately protected - bibliographic or holdings data - Freely exposed basic Directory information about a library and its capabilities - Open, extensible and web-strength apis. Put them together to push library information in front of users of Amazon and LibraryThing. Put them together to raise the profile of your holdings in Google Scholar. Put them together to build an 'application' such as Project Cenote in a matter of days. Put them together to power your existing union catalogue more scalably, affordably and extensibly than ever before. Put them together to build a union catalogue you've never been able to afford or justify before, or painlessly build several and meet the varied needs of your different audiences. Join Talis' Ian Davis, Paul Miller, Rob Styles and Richard Wallis along with your peers for an exploration of that which is possible today, and an opportunity to discuss the possibilities. To register for this free webinar, just email myself or my colleague Richard Wallis here at Talis [2]. All you need to participate is an hour in your diary, a computer capable of running the WebEx client [3], and a telephone with which to dial (free) in to the conversation. For the keen or the uncertain, see this guide to the WebEx system as used by Talis [4]. I look forward to sharing some of our ideas with you on the call, and to hearing your views before, during, and after. Paul [1] - http://blogs.talis.com/panlibus/archives/2007/01/are_union_catal.php [2] - richard.wallis@talis.com [3] - http://www.webex.com/go/stest-demoau [4] - http://www.talis.com/services/documents/webex_talis.pdf [PDF] -- Dr Paul Miller Senior Manager & Technology Evangelist, Talis w: www.talis.com/ m: +44 (7769) 740083 im: talis_paul@mac.com [AIM, MSN and iChat] skype: napm1971 -- The very latest from Talis read the latest news at www.talis.com/news listen to our podcasts www.talis.com/podcasts see us at these events www.talis.com/events join the discussion here www.talis.com/forums join our developer community www.talis.com/tdn and read our blogs www.talis.com/blogs Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be those of Talis Information Ltd. The content of this email message and any files that may be attached are confidential, and for the usage of the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, then please return this message to the sender and delete it. Any use of this e-mail by an unauthorised recipient is prohibited. Talis Information Ltd is a member of the Talis Group of companies and is registered in England No 3638278 with its registered office at Knights Court, Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YB. From kgaynor at webster.edu Fri Feb 2 10:32:45 2007 From: kgaynor at webster.edu (Kathy Gaynor) Date: Fri Feb 2 10:32:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Recommendations for form-making software Message-ID: <006201c746df$6513db80$212a000a@libint.webster.edu> We are currently using some software called FormPal to create simple forms we can use on our web site. It's not the easiest software to learn to use but some of our staff have gotten the hang of it over the years. We use these forms to take reference questions, room reservation requests, interlibrary loan requests, etc. We would welcome, however, recommendations of other (and newer) software that you have found to be helpful for this purpose. We are looking for something that a non-programmer can learn to use fairly easily. Thanks so much. From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Fri Feb 2 13:08:08 2007 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:10:46 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Festschrift for Anne Lipow Message-ID: After planning to do this for some time now, I am finally getting serious about editing a festschrift in honor of Anne Lipow [1]. I already have a few people signed on to write pieces for it, but I need more. If you knew Anne, or have just been influenced by her work [2], please consider applying to contribute a piece under the broad topic area of "Technology in Libraries". The idea is to self publish it online as a free download, and also for sale as a hardback, probably through lulu.com. I'm shooting to have it completed by ALA Annual. See the web site [3] for more information. Thanks, Roy [1] http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2004/10/14_lipow.shtml [2] http://techinlibraries.com/lipow_bib.html [3] http://techinlibraries.com/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Feb 2 14:34:58 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Fri Feb 2 14:35:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Finding Google Custom Search Engines Message-ID: Tara Calishain of ResearchBuzz pointed out this tip for locating Google Custom Search Engines (CSE) using this search string in Google: inurl:cse site:google.com inurl:coop. It can be refined by adding words to the search. The string initially gets you 3,360 hits. Adding library to the string results in 88 hits . Changing library to libraries results in 70 hits . Changing to librarian results in 12 hits . Using librarians results in 15 hits . The real difficulty would be in constructing a search to cover all variations on library. Using the advanced search of Google to build this search string, inurl:cse inurl:coop library OR librarian OR librarians OR libraries site: google.com, I get about 103 hits . -- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://www.bloglines.com/blog/BillDrew "To teach is to learn twice." - Joseph Joubert From araby at unr.edu Fri Feb 2 15:46:41 2007 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Y Greene) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:50:50 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Finding Google Custom Search Engines References: Message-ID: <7DFCFF4D7D728742B3EC03BB1216C48A043CA75A@UNRX.unr.edu> We've had three CSEs on our main library web since early November. None of them show up in search results. I'm speculating that there are 2 possible reasons: 1. We are linking to pages on our site that contain embedded CSE forms rather than linking to the CSE homepages, where traffic would be negligible. 2. We are not accepting volunteers for these search engines, since they are site-specific. CSE links: http://www.library.unr.edu/searches.html http://www.library.unr.edu/specoll/mssgdes.html http://www2.library.unr.edu/basquebooks/ 8-( Araby __________________________ Araby Greene Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 University of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ araby@unr.edu 775.682-5678 /| \'o.O' =(___)= U ACK! THPTPHH! > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib- > bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Drew, Bill > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:35 AM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Finding Google Custom Search Engines > > Tara Calishain of ResearchBuzz pointed out this tip for locating Google > Custom Search Engines (CSE) using this search string in Google: > inurl:cse site:google.com inurl:coop. It can be refined by adding words > to the search. The string initially gets you 3,360 > l%3Acoop&btnG=Search> hits. Adding library to the string results in 88 > hits > l%3Acoop+library&btnG=Search> . Changing library to libraries results in > 70 hits > l%3Acoop+libraries&btnG=Search> . Changing to librarian results in 12 > hits > l%3Acoop+librarian&btnG=Search> . Using librarians results in 15 hits > l%3Acoop+librarians&btnG=Search> . The real difficulty would be in > constructing a search to cover all variations on library. Using the > advanced search of Google to build this search string, inurl:cse > inurl:coop library OR librarian OR librarians OR libraries site: > google.com, I get about 103 hits > 00&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=library+librarian+librarians+librari > es&as_eq=&amp;lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as > _occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=google.com&as_rights=&safe=images> . > > -- > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > Morrisville State College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ > Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ > SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ > My Blog:http://www.bloglines.com/blog/BillDrew > > "To teach is to learn twice." - Joseph Joubert > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dargan at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 17:33:39 2007 From: dargan at gmail.com (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:33:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] VPN for remote access In-Reply-To: <21d560170701301112r61b8f52ew601d3d8a45d2674b@mail.gmail.com> References: <21d560170701301112r61b8f52ew601d3d8a45d2674b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52647a500702031433v66f88693tcb079751d3cf2cbc@mail.gmail.com> Mark-- On 1/30/07, Mark Sandford wrote: > > Ed, > > Have you looked at Remote Desktop for Windows? It just needs to be > configured if you're running Windows XP Pro. The upside to that is that > XP > Home has the client installed already, so there's no software you need to > buy or install at home. I'm not sure about earlier windows versions. As > far as I know, if the work machine is running XP Pro, you just need to > enable Remote Desktop and open the firewall to it. We've used Windows Remote Desktop for several years with good results. I recommend that you set your firewall to accept traffic only from the IP address of the client. It's a bit more overhead, but is a bit more secure. --mike It uses the Windows > username/password to log in. > > Also, there are some VNC programs that are good for the same effect. I've > used UltraVNC (http://www.uvnc.com/index.html) It's open source, very > easy > to configure, and the only network support needed is an open port in the > firewall. You can specify what port you want to use. > > A benefit is the UltraVNC viewer can be launched as a standalone file from > a > USB drive without installing on a machine at all, and it's a standard > protocol so you can even use a linux box (and I'm sure there's a Mac VNC > client somewhere, too) to connect to the Windows machine. > > In either case, you'd need to know the address of the machine you're > connecting to. I use UltraVNC to connect to my home PC and have port > forwarding set up on my router. > > These aren't exactly VPN based solutions, but they can be for added > security. My campus, for instance, requires a VPN connection before the > firewall will let you connect to a PC using Remote Desktop. VNC allows > for > several flavors of encryption and compression, which is nice if you need > to > tweak due to bandwidth issues. > > Hope that helps, > > -- > Mark Sandford > Special Formats Cataloger > William Paterson University > (973)270-2437 > sandfordm1@wpunj.edu > > On 1/30/07, Ed Erjavek wrote: > > > > > > Our director is interested a VPN-type solution that would provide remote > > access to her email and files. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for something affordable and easy for > her > > to use and our administrators to configure? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Michael J. Dargan Technical Systems/Reference Administrator Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries wpl-reference.blogspot.com From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Mon Feb 5 05:42:38 2007 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Mon Feb 5 05:43:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for a library system that runs on the PC and PC network. It should also run on Windows rather than Linux. I'm evaluating Koha and find it very good but I would like to look at a Windows alternative. I would welcome your suggestions. Regards John John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* Tá eolas atá príobháideach agus rúnda sa ríomhphost seo agus aon iatán a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amháin a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. Má tá an ríomhphost seo faighte agat trí dhearmad, cuir an seoltóir ar an eolas thrí aischur ríomhphoist agus scrios ansin é le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From sandfordm1 at wpunj.edu Mon Feb 5 09:47:14 2007 From: sandfordm1 at wpunj.edu (Mark Sandford) Date: Mon Feb 5 09:47:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21d560170702050647n78318d5fi4e2c480bcaa50209@mail.gmail.com> I haven't used it on Windows, but won't Koha run on an Windows PC? MySQL, Perl and Apache all have Windows flavors, and all are free. A quick search found this: http://www.koha.rwjr.com/Koha_on_Windows.html Hope that helps, -- Mark Sandford Special Formats Cataloger William Paterson University (973)270-2437 sandfordm1@wpunj.edu On 2/5/07, John Fitzgibbon wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a library system that runs on the PC and PC network. It > should also run on Windows rather than Linux. I'm evaluating Koha and > find it very good but I would like to look at a Windows alternative. > > From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 12:06:05 2007 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Feb 5 12:16:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most open-source options should run on windows or linux as the components (apache, mysql, php, python, perl, etc) they are built on are usually cross-platform. The configurations will change slightly with the different directory structures but you could probably even migrate between windows, linux and osx in the future if need be. I'm not sure which LAMP set-up is easiest for Windows but someone might chime in. Ryan Eby On 2/5/07, John Fitzgibbon wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a library system that runs on the PC and PC network. It > should also run on Windows rather than Linux. I'm evaluating Koha and > find it very good but I would like to look at a Windows alternative. > > I would welcome your suggestions. > > Regards > John > > John Fitzgibbon > From micah at raincross-tech.com Mon Feb 5 13:36:00 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Mon Feb 5 13:34:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C77910.2080209@raincross-tech.com> I've used this distribution before and it worked quite well: http://www.wampserver.com/en/ if you search on google for 'wamp installer' you'll get quite a few hits. On 02/05/2007 09:06 AM, Ryan Eby wrote: > Most open-source options should run on windows or linux as the > components (apache, mysql, php, python, perl, etc) they are built on > are usually cross-platform. The configurations will change slightly > with the different directory structures but you could probably even > migrate between windows, linux and osx in the future if need be. > > I'm not sure which LAMP set-up is easiest for Windows but someone > might chime in. > > Ryan Eby > > On 2/5/07, John Fitzgibbon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for a library system that runs on the PC and PC network. It >> should also run on Windows rather than Linux. I'm evaluating Koha and >> find it very good but I would like to look at a Windows alternative. >> >> I would welcome your suggestions. >> >> Regards >> John >> >> John Fitzgibbon >> > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From micah at raincross-tech.com Mon Feb 5 13:36:40 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Mon Feb 5 13:35:21 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C77938.3050403@raincross-tech.com> Koha will run great on windows, you just need to install php/mysql. -Micah On 02/05/2007 02:42 AM, John Fitzgibbon wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a library system that runs on the PC and PC network. It > should also run on Windows rather than Linux. I'm evaluating Koha and > find it very good but I would like to look at a Windows alternative. > > I would welcome your suggestions. > > Regards > John > > John Fitzgibbon > > p: 00 353 91 562471 > f: 00 353 91 565039 > w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > ******************************************************************* > T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo > agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine > sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. > Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n > a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. > M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, > cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist > agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. > > This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is > private and confidential and is intended for the addressee > only. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone heard any updates about Audible.com and their purported plan to offer iPod e-audio books this year? -Margaret Eugene, OR -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of S Park Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:24 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Audiobooks for iPods? Here is one more link to add to the list: http://www.oculture.com/weblog/2006/10/audio_book_podc.html On 1/3/07, Tom Klingler wrote: > Project Gutenberg does ebooks and audio books for iPod. > > AUDIO BOOKS: > http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:The_Audio_Books_Project > > > EBOOKS: > iPod eBook Creator for iPod Notes: > http://www.ambience.sk/ipod-ebook-creator/ipod-book-notes-text-convers > ion.php > > iPod ebook guide: > http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/06/make_ebooks_for.html > > --------- > > Also, audiobooks.org has audiobooks that are MP3: > http://www.audiobooks.org/ > > > A post on techniques for audiobooks on iPods: > http://aldoblog.com/audiobooks/ > > > Another vendor of audiobooks for iPod > http://www.audiobooksforfree.com/screen_main.asp > > > Another vendor of audiobooks for iPod > http://www.freeclassicaudiobooks.com/ > > > Libraries lending iPods with audiobooks: > http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,66756,00.html > > > Some books and book tools for iPod: > http://www.tucows.com/Windows/PDA/IPod/Multimedia/AudioBooks/ > > > A utility for making ebooks into audiobooks: > http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/audio-books.html > > > A vendor of audiobooks for the iPod: > http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/audiobooks.html > > > > The only thing in my post that I can provide a testimonial for is > Project Gutenberg. I haven't used any of the rest of this stuff. But > it's on mine and my son's list of things to look at for his iPod..... > > Tom Klingler > Kent State > > > > > > > Robert Sullivan wrote: > > We started to subscribe to NetLibrary and naturally our patrons have > > questioned why they can't used the service with their iPods. > > > > I know that NetLibrary, OverDrive etc are not available for iPods > > because of digital rights management issues, but how many (if any) > > libraries using a service that does allow iPod use? > > > > Thanks for any information, > > > > -- > Tom Klingler > Assistant Dean for Systems & Technical Services Libraries & Media > Services Library Room 383 Kent State University Kent, Ohio 44242-0001 > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jeremy.frumkin at oregonstate.edu Mon Feb 5 13:55:12 2007 From: jeremy.frumkin at oregonstate.edu (Jeremy Frumkin) Date: Mon Feb 5 13:55:14 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: Code4lib Scholarship Recipients Message-ID: Oregon State University Libraries is proud to announce the recipients of the 2007 Code4lib Conference Scholarship for Women and 2007 Code4lib Conference Minority Scholarship. Nicole Engard is the recipient of the 2007 Code4lib Scholarship for Women. Nicole works at the Jenkins Law Library as their Web Manager, and was named a Library Journal Mover and Shaker in 2007. Joshua Gomez is the recipient of the 2007 Code4lib Minority Scholarship. Joshua is currently a Library Assistant III at the Getty Research Institute, and is pursuing his education in computer programming and information science. On behalf of Oregon State University and the scholarship committee, we would like to congratulate both Nicole and Joshua on their scholarships. -- jaf =============================================== Jeremy Frumkin The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University Corvallis OR 97331-4501 Jeremy.Frumkin@oregonstate.edu 541.737.9928 541.737.3453 (Fax) 541.230.4483 (Cell) =============================================== " Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. " - Emerson From chris at katipo.co.nz Mon Feb 5 14:07:20 2007 From: chris at katipo.co.nz (Chris Cormack) Date: Mon Feb 5 14:07:27 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: <45C77938.3050403@raincross-tech.com> References: <45C77938.3050403@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <20070205190720.GP16376@katipo.co.nz> On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:36:40AM -0800, Micah Stevens said: > Koha will run great on windows, you just need to install php/mysql. > s/php/perl/ :) Chris -- Chris Cormack Programmer 027 4500 789 Katipo Communications Ltd chris@katipo.co.nz www.katipo.co.nz From micah at raincross-tech.com Mon Feb 5 14:15:52 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Mon Feb 5 14:14:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking library system for the PC and PC network that runs on Windows In-Reply-To: <20070205190720.GP16376@katipo.co.nz> References: <45C77938.3050403@raincross-tech.com> <20070205190720.GP16376@katipo.co.nz> Message-ID: <45C78268.2070201@raincross-tech.com> On 02/05/2007 11:07 AM, Chris Cormack wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:36:40AM -0800, Micah Stevens said: > >> Koha will run great on windows, you just need to install php/mysql. >> >> > s/php/perl/ :) > > Chris > Thanks, you're right. Perl/MySQL it looks like. Too much coffee this morning. heh. -Micah From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 15:00:29 2007 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Mon Feb 5 15:00:36 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Princeton U becomes latest Google Books scanning library Message-ID: <707356.19300.qm@web57104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From the Princeton press release: "A new partnership between the Princeton University Library and Google soon will make approximately 1 million books in Princeton's collection available online in a searchable format." http://tinyurl.com/3af7cy Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From whyzzi at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 16:16:59 2007 From: whyzzi at gmail.com (Whyzzi) Date: Mon Feb 5 16:17:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] VPN for remote access In-Reply-To: <3de381120702051315w380a1e7euc836780261a10ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <21d560170701301112r61b8f52ew601d3d8a45d2674b@mail.gmail.com> <52647a500702031433v66f88693tcb079751d3cf2cbc@mail.gmail.com> <3de381120702051315w380a1e7euc836780261a10ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3de381120702051316u76811538x3d97a1706b6f3ba6@mail.gmail.com> http://openvpn.net/ might be something you wish to consider. It is more work but it is also secure, free (as in GPL) and quite portable (Linux, Windows 2000/XP and higher, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris). Peter Verhagen Systems Administrator St. Albert Public Library On 03/02/07, Michael J. Dargan wrote: > Mark-- > > On 1/30/07, Mark Sandford wrote: > > > > Ed, > > > > Have you looked at Remote Desktop for Windows? It just needs to be > > configured if you're running Windows XP Pro. The upside to that is that > > XP > > Home has the client installed already, so there's no software you need to > > buy or install at home. I'm not sure about earlier windows versions. As > > far as I know, if the work machine is running XP Pro, you just need to > > enable Remote Desktop and open the firewall to it. > > > We've used Windows Remote Desktop for several years with good results. I > recommend that you set your firewall to accept traffic only from the IP > address of the client. It's a bit more overhead, but is a bit more secure. > > --mike > > It uses the Windows > > username/password to log in. > > > > Also, there are some VNC programs that are good for the same effect. I've > > used UltraVNC (http://www.uvnc.com/index.html) It's open source, very > > easy > > to configure, and the only network support needed is an open port in the > > firewall. You can specify what port you want to use. > > > > A benefit is the UltraVNC viewer can be launched as a standalone file from > > a > > USB drive without installing on a machine at all, and it's a standard > > protocol so you can even use a linux box (and I'm sure there's a Mac VNC > > client somewhere, too) to connect to the Windows machine. > > > > In either case, you'd need to know the address of the machine you're > > connecting to. I use UltraVNC to connect to my home PC and have port > > forwarding set up on my router. > > > > These aren't exactly VPN based solutions, but they can be for added > > security. My campus, for instance, requires a VPN connection before the > > firewall will let you connect to a PC using Remote Desktop. VNC allows > > for > > several flavors of encryption and compression, which is nice if you need > > to > > tweak due to bandwidth issues. > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > -- > > Mark Sandford > > Special Formats Cataloger > > William Paterson University > > (973)270-2437 > > sandfordm1@wpunj.edu > > > > On 1/30/07, Ed Erjavek wrote: > > > > > > > > > Our director is interested a VPN-type solution that would provide remote > > > access to her email and files. > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for something affordable and easy for > > her > > > to use and our administrators to configure? -- I know too much and yet not enough From Theo.vanVeen at KB.nl Mon Feb 5 19:15:27 2007 From: Theo.vanVeen at KB.nl (Theo van Veen) Date: Mon Feb 5 19:15:32 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Web4lib Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 References: <20070201170008.9CB9A189AEB@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <68C22185DB90CA41A5ACBD8E834C5ECD02FACC3A@goofy.wpakb.kb.nl> Some of your questions may be answered by two articles I wrote (http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/vanveen/03vanveen.html and http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue47/vanveen/ ) especially with respect to providing a flexible architecture that can accommodate new (and unanticipated!) projects. Focus should not only be on your own web services but also on making the web services of others available to your users. For each metadata field, metadata record or object, users should be able to choose services from others to use these fields, records or objects as input. Theo van Veen ________________________________ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:25:16 -0500 From: "Tom Wood" Subject: [Web4lib] high availability web service infrastructure: your experiences? To: Message-ID: <8C81AA7D3B12F4408C6B3359AEB001CC02719CF8@LIB-EMarks.library.lib.uconn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" [Apologies to those who received this via LITA-L a few weeks ago.] We are embarking on a redesign of our Library IT infrastructure, and I'm looking into our web site/service architecture. My redesign goals include: * Improving the availability of web delivered services * Introducing a development -> staging -> production flow for content and applications * Providing a flexible architecture that can accommodate new (and unanticipated!) projects * Doing this all while spending as little money as possible :-) While I'm an "old hand" at software, I am but a novice in the library world and would benefit greatly from your experiences. So, I would like to tap into the community's experience in building *high availability* web systems for libraries. I realize that is a bit of a broad brush inquiry, so here are some specific questions that may give you a better idea of what I'm after, specifically about high availability systems: * What sort of high availability architecture do you use? (e.g., clustering, load balancing, etc.) What is the scope of your architecture? (e.g., web server, application server, database, etc.) * If clustering or load balancing, how do you distribute your web content to your servers? (e.g., replication/mirroring, network file system, global file system, etc.) * How do you move your content/applications through development/staging/production? (e.g., home grown tools, version control system, content management system, etc.) * Do you use a content management system in a high availability configuration? Any quirks, words of wisdom, etc.? Thanks very much! Tom Wood thomas.a.wood@uconn.edu ITS Applications Developer University of Connecticut Libraries From chassler at mppl.org Tue Feb 6 10:03:54 2007 From: chassler at mppl.org (Hassler, Carol) Date: Tue Feb 6 10:03:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] job posting: Web Content Manager and Designer Message-ID: <69F590CAD6C42245A58D8FBBB607DE2C717660@mordac.MPPL.info> Web Content Manager and Designer Full-time position available. Responsible for managing library Web site and Intranet and may also design and construct Web pages. Maintains ongoing design of the Web site. Writes, develops, designs, edits and proofreads new content / services. Extensive contact with the Library staff. It requires the ability to access, input and retrieve data from the computer, ability to perform light to medium work; ability to use phone effectively. Ability to work well in a team environment. Master of Library Science from ALA accredited school required. Two years minimum experience in Web design and content management. Annual salary $39,000. Benefits. Detailed job description here: http://www.mppl.org/PDF/Web%20Content%20Manger%20and%20Designer%201%202007.pdf or here: http://www.mppl.org/about-jobs.html This is my current position. Feel free to contact me with questions. Carol Hassler Web Content Manager and Designer Mount Prospect Public Library chassler@mppl.org Opinions expressed are those of the sender and not the Mount Prospect Public Library From lhsiung at ucsc.edu Tue Feb 6 20:07:28 2007 From: lhsiung at ucsc.edu (Lai-Ying Hsiung) Date: Tue Feb 6 20:07:39 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Metadata / Cataloging Librarian, University of California, Santa Cruz Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070206170653.026420b8@ucsc.edu> Please go to http://library.ucsc.edu/internal/personnel/catmetalib.pdf for more details Revised Posting University of California Santa Cruz University Library Metadata and Cataloging Librarian The University of California, Santa Cruz Library has an opening for an innovative, knowledgeable, and service-oriented individual to become a member of the Technical Services section leadership group. The person we are seeking will supervise the Metadata/Cataloging Unit, participate in the reorganization of a library now experiencing transformative growth and change in California's premier public university system, and join in the development and implementation of new approaches to bibliographic services. Reporting to the Head of Technical Services, the incumbent will assist in researching, recommending, planning and implementing new metadata/cataloging and acquisitions systems, tools, technologies, procedures and policies across the UCSC Library. As part of UC systemwide library efforts, the incumbent will also participate in systemwide cataloging, metadata and acquisitions initiatives. Rank: Assistant or Associate Librarian Beginning of Appointment Salary Range: For Assistant, $40, 008; for Associate, $44,736; salary commensurate with qualifications and experience. Position Available: April 1, 2007 RESPONSIBILITIES: Reporting to the Head of Technical Services, the incumbent is responsible for the overall supervision of the Metadata/Cataloging Unit and works closely with the Acquisitions Unit. * Plan, organize, and direct the workload and workflow of the Metadata/Cataloging Unit in the provision of access to all formats. Supervise, hire, train, and conduct performance reviews for the unit. * Apply knowledge of current issues and trends in bibliographic control to develop, implement policies, standards, goals and procedures to continuously improve services and enhance bibliographic access. * Act as a resource for the interpretation and application of national cataloging rules and local cataloging conventions for all formats. * Perform cataloging and database maintenance, as well as complex problem resolution involving materials representing a wide variety of formats, languages, subjects and levels of difficulty. * Identify and apply appropriate metadata format and content standards, formulate METS profiles for object classes, and develop metadata crosswalks for digital objects. * Plan, monitor, and assess metadata migration, transformation, and enhancement projects. * Provide ongoing data review and analysis of digital objects and their metadata, including quality assurance. * Collaborate with data providers and repository managers to develop cost effective and efficient strategies and reliable data streams for producing and normalizing metadata and importing it. * Contribute to the formulation and implementation of policies and standards for descriptive, administrative (technical source, and rights), and structural metadata used to support the production, management of and access to digital assets. * Maintain metadata documentation, in print and web formats, for digital projects and for Metadata Cataloging Unit procedures and policies. * Participate in the ongoing development of metadata and cataloging standards and best practices, including attending appropriate conferences and meetings, and collaborating with other groups similarly engaged. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS: * ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent. * Original cataloging experience. Professional understanding and knowledge of cataloging procedures and principles including but not limited to: OCLC copy and original cataloging, adding and maintaining authority records in academic libraries, AACR2R, LCRIs, LC classification, LCSH, MARC21 formats, cataloger web sites, and electronic lists. * Professional understanding and knowledge of non-MARC metadata schemas, standards, best practices, and their applications (e.g Dublin Core, XML, METS, MODS, OA, FRBR, RDAI). * Current awareness of national trends and developments in cataloging, metadata standards, information retrieval and acquisitions practices. * Experience with library integrated database systems. * Demonstrated project management, analytical, and problem solving skills, with an aptitude for complex and detailed work. * Ability to plan, coordinate, and implement projects and to participate successfully in multiple, simultaneous projects. * Proven excellent communication, interpersonal and time-management skills with a strong service orientation. * Demonstrated ability to work independently and as part of a team in a dynamic environment. * Prior successful supervisory experience, ability to motivate staff and set priorities, and effective organizational skills. * Demonstrated experience or ability to work with diverse populations of students, faculty, and staff. Preferred qualifications: Acquisitions experience; professional experience in non-MARC metadata schemas and standards; experience with a national cooperative cataloging program such as PCC (NACO, BIBCO, or SACO); experience with at least one scripting language; demonstrated initiative investigating new ideas and implementing change; working knowledge of at least one modern European language and facility in working with other western languages: prior Priot; prior experience in an academic research library; participation in professional organizations or groups relevant to the position; experience with emerging bibliographic information systems. APPLY TO: All applicants should submit a letter of application; curriculum vitae or resume; names, addresses, email addresses, and phone numbers of three references that can be contacted. Send materials to: Library Administration 321 McHenry Library University of California Please refer to Position #T07-14 in all correspondence. 1156 High Street Santa Cruz, CA 95064 Or electronically to: liboff@library.ucsc.edu CLOSING DATE: This position is open until filled. Review of applications will begin on Monday, March 5, 2007. To ensure full consideration, applications must be received by this date. UCSC IS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION/EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER WOMEN AND MINORITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY Lai-Ying Hsiung Interim Head of Technical Services University Library University of California, Santa Cruz 1156 High St Santa Cruz, CA 95064 lhsiung@ucsc.edu 831-459-5166 From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 22:46:02 2007 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Tue Feb 6 22:46:07 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Music from Apple Message-ID: <08952175-F0B0-4384-8680-8DAE59202418@gmail.com> Hi folks, Steve Jobs has just posted a very interesting read regarding Digital Rights Management and music: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ Not only is it a good read from the man who arguably controls much of the music consumption business, but I also find it refreshing to see at least some level of transparency about DRM and what it means in the long run. Andrew From leo at leoklein.com Tue Feb 6 23:21:42 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Tue Feb 6 23:21:47 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Music from Apple In-Reply-To: <08952175-F0B0-4384-8680-8DAE59202418@gmail.com> References: <08952175-F0B0-4384-8680-8DAE59202418@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C953D6.2050909@leoklein.com> Andrew Hankinson wrote: > Hi folks, > > Steve Jobs has just posted a very interesting read regarding Digital > Rights Management and music: > > http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ > > Not only is it a good read from the man who arguably controls much of > the music consumption business, but I also find it refreshing to see at > least some level of transparency about DRM and what it means in the long > run. Well, thus spake the hardware manufacturer. He's making way more on the player than on the content so naturally his inclination is to throw up his hands and say, a pox on your DRM requirements. It'd be great -- we'd finally get OverDrive for the Mac -- but I think the Content Owners would prefer bankruptcy to DRM-free content. LEO -- ------------------- www.leoklein.com (site) www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' -- ------------------------------- From kayiwa at uic.edu Wed Feb 7 06:56:40 2007 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Wed Feb 7 06:57:01 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Music from Apple In-Reply-To: <45C953D6.2050909@leoklein.com> References: <08952175-F0B0-4384-8680-8DAE59202418@gmail.com> <45C953D6.2050909@leoklein.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Leo Robert Klein wrote: > Andrew Hankinson wrote: >> Hi folks, >> Steve Jobs has just posted a very interesting read regarding >> Digital Rights Management and music: >> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ >> Not only is it a good read from the man who arguably controls much >> of the music consumption business, but I also find it refreshing >> to see at least some level of transparency about DRM and what it >> means in the long run. > > Well, thus spake the hardware manufacturer. He's making way more > on the player than on the content so naturally his inclination is > to throw up his hands and say, a pox on your DRM requirements. But that's the point no? We don't require all automobile manufacturers to make their transmissions fit in all cars do we? While this is a noble[1] goal I'm afraid I have to agree with His Jobness. > > It'd be great -- we'd finally get OverDrive for the Mac -- but I > think the Content Owners would prefer bankruptcy to DRM-free content. I suppose this is no surprise when you have a corrupt industry (music one) that is latching on to antiquated models that force the content creators (emphases) to work at the cheapest rate for the content owners (label companies). Apart from the musicians with multiple hits[2] most musicians barely break even when they sell a million records. Most of the money goes to people who do a precious little but make a lot from that $15 CD. So with radio's and MTV (do they still play music?)gradual demise and having to fight with MySpace etc., the industry is bound to feel the pinch from their number one target audience. DRM is simply an attempt to step into this new modern world while still keeping all the benefits, payola (sic) and control of the old one. His Jobness on the other hand just wants you to buy an iPod and not an iRiver or i product. regards, ./fxk [1]I am still waiting for Sony and Microsoft to get compelled with the same requirement to declare it a noble goal. Unfortunately it is the Norwegians that lose if this does happen. [2] Hits seem to be determined by backdoor deals with radio stations. http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2001/03/14/payola/index.html From pierrenault at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 09:32:10 2007 From: pierrenault at gmail.com (Pierre Nault) Date: Wed Feb 7 09:34:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries Message-ID: Hi to all, Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what could we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management system) for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer theses servicesfor integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? thanks, Pierre Nault Biblioth?caire Technologies de l'information, Services des biblioth?ques Universit? du Qu?bec ? Montr?al -- What do you call a cyclist who doesn't wear a helmet? An organ donor. ~David Perry From leo at leoklein.com Wed Feb 7 11:02:12 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed Feb 7 11:02:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Music from Apple In-Reply-To: References: <08952175-F0B0-4384-8680-8DAE59202418@gmail.com> <45C953D6.2050909@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <45C9F804.1040407@leoklein.com> Francis Kayiwa wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Leo Robert Klein wrote: > >> Andrew Hankinson wrote: >>> Hi folks, > I suppose this is no surprise when you have a corrupt industry (music > one) that is latching on to antiquated models that force the content > creators (emphases) to work at the cheapest rate for the content owners > (label companies). > > Apart from the musicians with multiple hits[2] most musicians barely > break even when they sell a million records. Most of the money goes to > people who do a precious little but make a lot from that $15 CD. > > So with radio's and MTV (do they still play music?)gradual demise and > having to fight with MySpace etc., the industry is bound to feel the > pinch from their number one target audience. DRM is simply an attempt to > step into this new modern world while still keeping all the benefits, > payola (sic) and control of the old one. $15 for a CD? That's cheap! The RIAA thinks you ought to be paying at least $33 just to keep up with inflation. Think what an invitation to piracy that would be. LEO -- ------------------- www.leoklein.com (site) www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' -- ------------------------------- From jimm at wingate.edu Wed Feb 7 11:06:57 2007 From: jimm at wingate.edu (Jimm Wetherbee) Date: Wed Feb 7 11:07:02 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C9F921.1030001@wingate.edu> Pierre, I've added our RSS feeds to our Moodle site. We may, in the future, add questionnaires to it as well and have experimented with placing BI exercises on it as well (at bit trickier that because we would either have to have a separate Library course--which isn't the way we operate--or have the librarians at least temporarily be listed as instructors for given courses). --jimm Pierre Nault wrote: > Hi to all, > > Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course > mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt > environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what > could > we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management > system) > for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer > theses > servicesfor > > integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use > Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? > > thanks, > > Pierre Nault > Biblioth?caire > Technologies de l'information, Services des biblioth?ques > Universit? du Qu?bec ? Montr?al > From CarolineGeer at letu.edu Wed Feb 7 11:16:25 2007 From: CarolineGeer at letu.edu (Geer, Caroline) Date: Wed Feb 7 11:16:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, Pierre, Our university uses Blackboard for its course sites, so I created a course for the Library within Blackboard called Library Information Resources. The downside was that I had to manually add each student to enroll them in our course. Recently, we upgraded to Blackboard 7.1, and now there is a Library Area, so everyone automatically has access. The downside is that I have to build that area from scratch, but it is good to rethink the folder structure! Hope this information is helpful to you. Caroline Geer Information Resources Librarian Margaret Estes Library LeTourneau University Longview, Texas 75607-7001 * 903.233.3272 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Pierre Nault Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries Hi to all, Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what could we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management system) for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer theses servicesfor integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? thanks, Pierre Nault Biblioth?caire Technologies de l'information, Services des biblioth?ques Universit? du Qu?bec ? Montr?al -- What do you call a cyclist who doesn't wear a helmet? An organ donor. ~David Perry _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Wed Feb 7 12:51:45 2007 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Wed Feb 7 12:51:51 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web-based (?) program registration Message-ID: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF98C@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> A query for the Web4Lib community -- Our library would like to try having some online registration for programs (children's, adults, teen). We're waiting for our city IT people to come up with a city government-wide solution, but it's way behind and we need something now, so for now we're looking for a stop-gap option, preferably web-based from a third party, for doing online registrations. Some requirements, as we see them: -the ability to start registration at a time of our choosing, rather than defaulting to midnight on the day it starts. We want to have it be fair for those who come in or phone in and for those who do online - all starting at the same time (e.g. 9am). -the ability to create required fields, not just name, phone, email, but also age or child's year of birth. An editable text field. -a basic level of security so any data collected would be available only to us, and delete-able by us at need. -the ability to pull statistics for each program (number of signups, etc.) -the ability to create individual bounceback emails with program information (e.g. "make sure to call if you can't come, as we have a waiting list" or "it's a messy craft, bring a smock") -Wish list: a system that would database registrants' info so the next time they sign up, they just have to put in a username and password and all their contact info (including the ages of their kids, so they can't keep telling us they have a 6yo when we know he's 4yo) would be available the next time they sign up, so they don't have to re-type it all. This may be more than we can get, but it would be interesting. And the answer is no, we don't have anyone on staff, or even in the City's IT, that can program something for us and serve it via the web. We need a minimally editable, secure, third party, plug and play product for the short term. Preferably fully web-based, though we could probably work out housing it on a local server and getting a SQL license or similar, but the easier the better. Suggestions?? Many thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org From sbaldwin at nngov.com Wed Feb 7 13:21:02 2007 From: sbaldwin at nngov.com (Sue Baldwin) Date: Wed Feb 7 13:21:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web-based (?) program registration In-Reply-To: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF98C@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> Message-ID: <003e01c74ae4$b9a13fe0$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> Hi, I know this doesn't do everything you want, but we started using EngagedPatrons.org for our program registration in June 2006 and have been very happy. Glenn is great to work with and has been very responsive in tweaking a few things we wanted. It might do enough of what you want. Sue Sue Baldwin Senior Librarian, Technology & Electronic Access Newport News Public Library System 700 Town Center Drive Suite 300 Newport News, VA 23606 757-926-1350 voice 757-926-1365 fax sbaldwin@nngov.com -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Louise Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:52 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Web-based (?) program registration A query for the Web4Lib community -- Our library would like to try having some online registration for programs (children's, adults, teen). We're waiting for our city IT people to come up with a city government-wide solution, but it's way behind and we need something now, so for now we're looking for a stop-gap option, preferably web-based from a third party, for doing online registrations. Some requirements, as we see them: -the ability to start registration at a time of our choosing, rather than defaulting to midnight on the day it starts. We want to have it be fair for those who come in or phone in and for those who do online - all starting at the same time (e.g. 9am). -the ability to create required fields, not just name, phone, email, but also age or child's year of birth. An editable text field. -a basic level of security so any data collected would be available only to us, and delete-able by us at need. -the ability to pull statistics for each program (number of signups, etc.) -the ability to create individual bounceback emails with program information (e.g. "make sure to call if you can't come, as we have a waiting list" or "it's a messy craft, bring a smock") -Wish list: a system that would database registrants' info so the next time they sign up, they just have to put in a username and password and all their contact info (including the ages of their kids, so they can't keep telling us they have a 6yo when we know he's 4yo) would be available the next time they sign up, so they don't have to re-type it all. This may be more than we can get, but it would be interesting. And the answer is no, we don't have anyone on staff, or even in the City's IT, that can program something for us and serve it via the web. We need a minimally editable, secure, third party, plug and play product for the short term. Preferably fully web-based, though we could probably work out housing it on a local server and getting a SQL license or similar, but the easier the better. Suggestions?? Many thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jblackbu at mailer.fsu.edu Wed Feb 7 13:34:49 2007 From: jblackbu at mailer.fsu.edu (Jonathan Blackburn) Date: Wed Feb 7 13:34:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Web - Backup Plan and Server Setup Message-ID: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> Hi Everyone, (**please excuse the cross-posting**) I am looking for help on coming up with the most optimal "configuration" of server hardware for our library. I work as the Web Librarian for a University Library, wher we are currently re-evaluating the backup plan for our webservers. This (primarily) includes 2 LAMP machines: 1. One hosting our main website, which is powered by the open-source CMS Drupal 2. An "auxilary" webserver (still in its infancy), which hosts important but slightly-less "mission critical" functions like our Libraries' blogging platform (WPMU). Any possible hardware limitations have yet to be decided, but we have at least 2 new machines (yet to be installed) to work with right now . . . Our desired set-up would support: 1. Frequent backups (daily - best practices here welcomed?) 2. Failover with "minimal intervention" - We are specifically worried about nights and weekends when there may not be staff immediately available to troubleshoot problems. 3. Convenient method for copying over changes from development environment to production - These include software upgrades and settings changes that may require restart and/or possible downtime. As you may have guessed, load balancing is much less of an issue, though I would certainly not ignore any performance improvement tips you chose to offer. Any thoughts? I am very interested in how others of you have set up your servers to promote optimum redundancy and active development. We have some ideas ourselves, but I am intentionally "casting the net wide" to see what others of you out there have done. Thanks, Jon Jonathan Blackburn AIM/E-mail: jblackbu@mailer.fsu.edu From Paula.Maloney at infocurrent.com Wed Feb 7 14:33:06 2007 From: Paula.Maloney at infocurrent.com (Paula Maloney) Date: Wed Feb 7 14:29:48 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Database Quality Analyst---(MA) Message-ID: <41F9BFD7C1856B41847152F3FE4C5D37013124E3@CSMAIL01.CSG.NET> This search is re-opened. Please excuse cross-posting. Database Quality Analyst (MLS) Massachusetts Our client is seeking a Database Quality Analyst. The Database Quality Analyst will be responsible for analyzing bibliographic database products for compliance to technical specifications: * Write and maintain test plans for evaluating database products based on technical specifications and requirements. * Execute test plans to assess output and build compliance with required specifications; including searching in bibliographic databases via online product interfaces. * Identify, report, track and troubleshoot defects and known issues for existing products and products in development. * Assist in the technical deployment of new products and updates to existing products. * Create and maintain user help documentation. Qualifications include: * Demonstrated experience with web-based database search and retrieval techniques. * The ability to balance multiple projects concurrently in a fast-paced, deadline-driven environment is necessary. * Excellent technical communication skills, both verbal and written are needed. * Qualified candidates will also have strong analytical skills, attention to detail, ability to work well in a team environment, be familiar with MARC21 data format, and have a working knowledge of XML. * 1+ years of experience quality testing online bibliographic databases and performing electronic information retrieval in a library environment. * Education: Bachelor's degree and MLS required. For consideration, please submit a Word resume to paula.maloney@infocurrent.com Thank you. Paula Maloney, MLS InfoCurrent Information Management Staffing 225 Franklin Street Suite 1760 Boston, MA 02109 617-292-7116 phone 617-292-7112 fax paula.maloney@infocurrent.com Visit us at www.infocurrent.com **************************************************************************** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. **************************************************************************** From smitht at ohio.edu Wed Feb 7 14:39:08 2007 From: smitht at ohio.edu (Tim Smith) Date: Wed Feb 7 14:40:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Position Available Message-ID: Note: I realize the following job posting is a little bit off the scope of this list, but the requirements of the position may in fact match the qualifications and interests of some subscribers to the list. Position Available: Engineering Librarian The Reference and Instruction Department at the Ohio University Libraries in Athens, Ohio invites applications for an Engineering Librarian to join a team of librarians dedicated to providing personal reference assistance and high quality library instruction. We seek a candidate with a commitment to working effectively with students, faculty and staff from diverse backgrounds. The Reference and Instruction Department is responsible for reference assistance to patrons in a wide range of subject areas and general library instruction at the first year level. The Department has an active digital reference service and is committed to incorporating emergent technologies into both its reference and its instruction missions. It is a major component of the Library's Learning Commons, a technology enriched learning environment with assistance available from reference librarians, technology assistants and writing tutors. Position Description Provides in-depth reference services and acts as the liaison to faculty and students in the Russ College of Engineering. Develops and presents class lectures, demonstrations, workshops, and other instructional sessions to teach the use, understanding and evaluation of engineering resources. Works with faculty to select print and electronic resources necessary to research in engineering, oversees those acquisition funds ($367,000), and provides direction for the maintenance and accessibility of those materials. Performs general reference duties, including evening and weekend hours, and teaches instruction sessions for the Department's first year library instruction program. Participates in committees, task forces, and teams, and in professional associations. Qualifications Required: Masters degree from an ALA-accredited program. Bachelor's degree in engineering or a related field. Necessary skills include organizational, communication, computer, and analytical skills to enable effective retrieval of information; instructional skills to teach library use and information competency; and communication and teamwork skills to work effectively with diverse groups. Preferred: Experience working with engineering resources or in a science library. Salary and Benefits Minimum salary is $38,570; salary negotiable based on experience and education; 22 days annual vacation; generous insurance, and Ohio state employee or alternative retirement. Available July 1, 2007 Institutional Information Alden Library, the main facility on the Ohio University Athens campus includes over 2 million volumes with 50 professionals and 65 support staff. The Library is a member of CRL, ARL, and OhioLINK. The Russ College of Engineering and Technology enrolls approximately 1,400 undergraduate students and almost 300 graduate students and offers undergraduate and graduate degrees across the traditional engineering spectrum and in technology disciplines such as aviation, computer science, and industrial technology. Ohio University is a residential campus with a student population of 16,700 undergraduates and 3,000 graduate and medical students. To Apply Submit application at http://www.ohiouniversityjobs.com. Applications received by March 11, 2007 will receive the fullest consideration. Ohio University is committed to the diversity of faculty, staff and students. Applicants who will enrich the diversity of our campus are especially encouraged to apply. From susan.basye at uni.edu Wed Feb 7 15:09:00 2007 From: susan.basye at uni.edu (Susan Basye) Date: Wed Feb 7 15:09:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron concerns/complaints Message-ID: <003f01c74af3$ce5b8080$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> Hello. I have a blogging question that I hope someone will be kind enough to help me with. Our university library has a news blog right that I've been working slowly with for the past few months (I inherited it in its current form). It needs a lot of work. http://weblogs.uni.edu/libnews/ We use it to post news announcements right now and it doesn't allow comments (I hope to change that soon though). I suggested to our dean that we could use a blog to respond to patrons' questions or complaints about library services. Right now they can send these types of things through a form on our web site but patrons do not usually put their e-mail on the form so we can respond directly to them. Instead we have typed up a response and posted it on a bulletin board in our lobby that no one looks at. I thought that if patrons could post their concerns and complaints to a blog that the dean could then respond on the blog and the patrons could then see the response. It sounds pretty good in theory I guess. I am having trouble finding any examples of libraries that allow patrons to post blog entries. I searched the list archives for this topic and came up with very little. If your library allows patrons to post blog entries I'd be interested in hearing how it is working for you. If anyone has any comments in general on using one blog for news and patron comments versus using two separate blogs I'd be interested in that as well. Thanks for your time! Susan Basye ------------------------------------ Susan Basye Administrative Operations Coordinator Rod Library University of Northern Iowa 1227 West 27th Street Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613-3675 (319) 273-2737 susan.basye@uni.edu From leo at leoklein.com Wed Feb 7 15:18:57 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed Feb 7 15:19:02 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron concerns/complaints In-Reply-To: <003f01c74af3$ce5b8080$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> References: <003f01c74af3$ce5b8080$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> Message-ID: <45CA3431.5070303@leoklein.com> Susan Basye wrote: > I am having trouble finding any examples of libraries that allow patrons to > post blog entries. I searched the list archives for this topic and came up > with very little. > > If your library allows patrons to post blog entries I'd be interested in > hearing how it is working for you. If anyone has any comments in general on > using one blog for news and patron comments versus using two separate blogs > I'd be interested in that as well. The U. of C. Blog, Maroon Opinions, "lists suggestions for and answers from the University of Chicago Library": http://lib.typepad.com/suggest/ It doesn't allow direct posting -- patrons have to fill out a "suggestion form" -- but it's an interesting model of what you can do with a blog in the area of patron response. LEO -- ------------------- www.leoklein.com (site) www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' From rkneale at nso.edu Wed Feb 7 15:46:27 2007 From: rkneale at nso.edu (Ruth Kneale) Date: Wed Feb 7 15:46:44 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice and help with Drupal? Message-ID: <45CA3AA3.4040508@nso.edu> Hi, all - apologies for cross-posting. Is anyone out there *using* Drupal? If so, would you mind contacting me off-list? I could really use some communication with someone else who's using it; I don't know if the issues I'm running into are of my own making, or actual limitations in the product. Many thanks, Ruth -- Ruth A. Kneale, Systems Librarian, ATST Everybody should believe in something. I believe I'll have another coffee. From mjordan at sfu.ca Wed Feb 7 15:58:36 2007 From: mjordan at sfu.ca (Mark Jordan) Date: Wed Feb 7 15:59:32 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice and help with Drupal? In-Reply-To: <45CA3AA3.4040508@nso.edu> References: <45CA3AA3.4040508@nso.edu> Message-ID: <45CA3D7C.40709@sfu.ca> Hi Ruth, You may want to check out http://drupalib.interoperating.info/, where a number of people who do use drupal for a variety of library-related purposes may be able to respond to specific questions. That said, the greatest general resource for problem solving with drupal is the forums at http://drupal.org/ . Mark Ruth Kneale wrote: > Hi, all - apologies for cross-posting. > > Is anyone out there *using* Drupal? If so, would you mind contacting me > off-list? I could really use some communication with someone else who's > using it; I don't know if the issues I'm running into are of my own > making, or actual limitations in the product. > > Many thanks, > Ruth > -- Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Phone (604) 291 5753 / Fax (604) 291 3023 mjordan@sfu.ca / http://www.sfu.ca/~mjordan/ Don't miss the First International PKP Scholarly Publishing Conference July 11 - 13, 2007, Vancouver, BC, Canada http://ocs.sfu.ca/pkp2007/ From Gayle.Bradbeer at auraria.edu Wed Feb 7 16:25:34 2007 From: Gayle.Bradbeer at auraria.edu (Bradbeer, Gayle) Date: Wed Feb 7 16:25:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron concerns/complaints In-Reply-To: <003f01c74af3$ce5b8080$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> References: <003f01c74af3$ce5b8080$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> Message-ID: <6E9D02FFF96EB444B36931DF6CFE4CE3089554B2@kelso.cudenver.edu> We have had blogs since 2004 (never publicized to the wider community) that allow responses. I own them but never had much interest from others in helping provide content so they have been on and off the library homepage, http://library.auraria.edu/, as I have had more or less interest. They are http://aurhottop.blogspot.com/ and http://oa-auraria.blogspot.com/. Only recently have we received any comments at all and a couple were complaints. There was *one* comment that targeted a specific non-library faculty's class, which was deleted the next day. You might try suggesting moderating the comments before they are posted to relieve institutional concerns. Michael Sauers, the Travelin Librarian, http://www.travelinlibrarian.info/, has shown some links to interesting library blogs in his classes before, but I can't find them right now. There is one idea he espouses, that I agree with but haven't practiced. It is to post after an event, as well as announcing it, and allow comments so that people can continue talking about you and your library. We now have a new "service" I really like (offered via a blog, http://aurariaresearchnews.blogspot.com/). It's on our homepage and we have advertised it via email to our institutions' faculty but do not allow comments on the blog itself. I think it would be fun to see comments, but not really necessary. Most of our community still seem to prefer email and do comment that way. We have also experimented with putting a pc in an exhibit area and asking via a blog for comments on the exhibit. That worked out pretty well, but we got more responses, and more complicated ones, on a large flip chart we placed nearby with colored magic markers. (And we didn't loose the markers over *two* whole weeks!) Gayle **** Gayle E. Bradbeer Distance Support Librarian Auraria Library (http://library.auraria.edu/) An academic library serving UCDHSC, MSCD & CCD 1100 Lawrence Street, Denver, CO 80204-2095 Phone: 303-556-2791 Fax: 303-556-3528 gayle.bradbeer@auraria.edu **** -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Susan Basye Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:09 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Cc: Susan.Basye@uni.edu Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron concerns/complaints Hello. I have a blogging question that I hope someone will be kind enough to help me with. Our university library has a news blog right that I've been working slowly with for the past few months (I inherited it in its current form). It needs a lot of work. http://weblogs.uni.edu/libnews/ We use it to post news announcements right now and it doesn't allow comments (I hope to change that soon though). I suggested to our dean that we could use a blog to respond to patrons' questions or complaints about library services. Right now they can send these types of things through a form on our web site but patrons do not usually put their e-mail on the form so we can respond directly to them. Instead we have typed up a response and posted it on a bulletin board in our lobby that no one looks at. I thought that if patrons could post their concerns and complaints to a blog that the dean could then respond on the blog and the patrons could then see the response. It sounds pretty good in theory I guess. I am having trouble finding any examples of libraries that allow patrons to post blog entries. I searched the list archives for this topic and came up with very little. If your library allows patrons to post blog entries I'd be interested in hearing how it is working for you. If anyone has any comments in general on using one blog for news and patron comments versus using two separate blogs I'd be interested in that as well. Thanks for your time! Susan Basye ------------------------------------ Susan Basye Administrative Operations Coordinator Rod Library University of Northern Iowa 1227 West 27th Street Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613-3675 (319) 273-2737 susan.basye@uni.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From micah at raincross-tech.com Wed Feb 7 16:45:20 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Wed Feb 7 16:43:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Web - Backup Plan and Server Setup In-Reply-To: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> References: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <45CA4870.1070105@raincross-tech.com> You might check out VMWare's offerings. The virtual machine provides the services and actual hardware behind the scenes can be added/removed/broken as the case may be and it will not affect the virtual system. It's a great idea, although I have only minimal experience with it at this point. I just ordered a license for the VMX server. www.vmware.com You can setup apache to auto-failover too and cluster the database server. (MySQL will cluster, not sure what you're using for Drupal) Backup wise, any sort of clustering solution combined with a RAID system for your disks should manage your risk reasonably for the local data, but a remote backup would be smart as well. This can be set up via a cron job, but it's a failsafe, and is not quick to restore without some sort of automation in place. I've used AMANDA for tape backups over a network, or you can just set up a restore script if need be in the file system. I hope that helps somewhat, I know it's pretty general. -Micah On 02/07/2007 10:34 AM, Jonathan Blackburn wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > (**please excuse the cross-posting**) > > I am looking for help on coming up with the most optimal "configuration" of > server hardware for our library. > > I work as the Web Librarian for a University Library, wher we are currently > re-evaluating the backup plan for our webservers. > > This (primarily) includes 2 LAMP machines: > > 1. One hosting our main website, which is powered by the open-source CMS > Drupal > > 2. An "auxilary" webserver (still in its infancy), which hosts important but > slightly-less "mission critical" functions like our Libraries' blogging > platform (WPMU). > > Any possible hardware limitations have yet to be decided, but we have at > least 2 new machines (yet to be installed) to work with right now . . . > > Our desired set-up would support: > > 1. Frequent backups (daily - best practices here welcomed?) > > 2. Failover with "minimal intervention" - We are specifically worried about > nights and weekends when there may not be staff immediately available to > troubleshoot problems. > > 3. Convenient method for copying over changes from development environment > to production - These include software upgrades and settings changes that > may require restart and/or possible downtime. > > As you may have guessed, load balancing is much less of an issue, though I > would certainly not ignore any performance improvement tips you chose to > offer. > > Any thoughts? I am very interested in how others of you have set up your > servers to promote optimum redundancy and active development. > > We have some ideas ourselves, but I am intentionally "casting the net wide" > to see what others of you out there have done. > > Thanks, > Jon > > > Jonathan Blackburn > AIM/E-mail: jblackbu@mailer.fsu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kayiwa at uic.edu Wed Feb 7 17:43:45 2007 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Wed Feb 7 17:43:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Web - Backup Plan and Server Setup In-Reply-To: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> References: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <900EDE55-E26B-4976-AF82-A660B3BD0C64@uic.edu> On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Blackburn wrote: > > This (primarily) includes 2 LAMP machines: > > 1. One hosting our main website, which is powered by the open- > source CMS > Drupal > > 2. An "auxilary" webserver (still in its infancy), which hosts > important but > slightly-less "mission critical" functions like our Libraries' > blogging > platform (WPMU). Curious what's WPMU > > Any possible hardware limitations have yet to be decided, but we > have at > least 2 new machines (yet to be installed) to work with right > now . . . > > Our desired set-up would support: > > 1. Frequent backups (daily - best practices here welcomed?) dump(8) -provides a fantastic strategy on planning for backup http://tinyurl.com/2gnguh YMMV. > > 2. Failover with "minimal intervention" - We are specifically > worried about > nights and weekends when there may not be staff immediately > available to > troubleshoot problems. Not sure I follow. If hardware goes down at night/weekend... I wouldn't trust not being there to bring them back up. I will concede that I am missing something. :-) http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Might meet your needs however. It can backup over the web... never used it. > > 3. Convenient method for copying over changes from development > environment > to production - These include software upgrades and settings > changes that > may require restart and/or possible downtime. cvs; subversion? > > As you may have guessed, load balancing is much less of an issue, > though I > would certainly not ignore any performance improvement tips you > chose to > offer. > > Any thoughts? I am very interested in how others of you have set > up your > servers to promote optimum redundancy and active development. > > We have some ideas ourselves, but I am intentionally "casting the > net wide" > to see what others of you out there have done. I have always used the following maxim for backup strategies. How much down time can I afford? Test this. Nothing like finding out that your best strategy is rubbish (as I recently found out sadly). So this rule is huge. In this particular case the machine itself could afford a significant amount of downtime. Given the above. Take whatever you are backing up and try to rebuild it on a different machine and see how fast you would bring it back up. If that time is reasonable and meets you expectations then you got a good system going and I would stick with that. Then decide what disaster you are preparing for. Are we worried about -user error(s) -sysadmin error(s) -0wned box -Dead disk (shudder) -dead (insert other part of machine) -Fire/ Water acts or supreme being -tactical nuclear strike (hey -you never know :-)) depending on which of these you are worried about try to decide how you will be back online. In your situation you mention they are webservers. If this was a debian machine (you mentioned LAMP) I would place /var and /etc as the most important partitions. I would place less emphases on all other partitions assuming you have the aforementioned CVS/subversion etc., HTH ./fxk =============== Francis Kayiwa Library Systems Team 4-180, MC 234 T: +1.312.996.2716 W: http://www.uic.edu/~kayiwa Key: http://tigger.uic.edu/~kayiwa/kayiwa.gpg From ijastram at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 17:46:49 2007 From: ijastram at gmail.com (Iris Jastram) Date: Wed Feb 7 17:46:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: <45C9F921.1030001@wingate.edu> References: <45C9F921.1030001@wingate.edu> Message-ID: <73c02c6e0702071446i68aa5dd5ue640f082203e766f@mail.gmail.com> I would second the RSS suggestion. Suddenly we're seeing more demand for RSS-related services because all we have to say is " You know, like that block in Moodle" and the faculty understand what we're talking about. One great way to use this (other than traditional news feeds) is to develop a del.icio.us or furl link library, tag web pages with a tag specifically for the course or the course's subject, and then feed those links into an RSS block in Moodle. We've also been added as "instructors" in classes and created a forum topic for research questions/discussions. This also helps us prepare for classes since we can get preliminary questions from the students, have them submit their topics, and see what readings or activities they've done recently. This really helps as we try to make our classes relevant to the course as a whole. And finally several instructors have added our contact information and links to our schedules and contact information from a regular "HTML Block" on the Moodle course. This works in our environment because each liaison librarian is responsible for assisting classes in his or her liaison area, so we can link directly to a single person's contact information and appointment schedule. I've been intrigued by the idea of setting up a quick poll before classes, but haven't tried it yet. Best, Iris On 2/7/07, Jimm Wetherbee wrote: > > Pierre, > > I've added our RSS feeds to our Moodle site. We may, in the future, add > questionnaires to it as well and have experimented with placing BI > exercises on it as well (at bit trickier that because we would either > have to have a separate Library course--which isn't the way we > operate--or have the librarians at least temporarily be listed as > instructors for given courses). > > --jimm > > Pierre Nault wrote: > > Hi to all, > > > > Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course > > mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt > > environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what > > could > > we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management > > system) > > for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer > > theses > > services< > https://apps.carleton.edu/campus/library/for_faculty/faculty_working/libe_moodle/integrating_resources/ > >for > > > > integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use > > Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? > > > > thanks, > > > > Pierre Nault > > Biblioth?caire > > Technologies de l'information, Services des biblioth?ques > > Universit? du Qu?bec ? Montr?al > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Iris Jastram The Pegasus Librarian http://pegasuslibrarian.blogspot.com http://go.carleton.edu/ijastram From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Feb 7 17:55:01 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Feb 7 17:55:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails Message-ID: I have been getting a lot of phishing emails supposedly from Amazon. It is quite irritating since I do a lot of business on Amazon. I looked at the source code for one of the messages and found this web address: //www.holyspirit-indy.org/pack46/.support/www.amazon.com/flex/sign-out.h tml/2Fhomepage=protocol=httpsaction=sign-out/exec.php?cmd=sign-in I went to the website www.holyspirit-indy.org and found the website for the Holy Spirit Catholic Church of Indianapolis. I called them to tell them that their webserver was being used for phishing exploits. The priest I talked to was quite happy to have my phone call. He was going to talk to their website administrator. Is this type of hack common and how do idiots get this type of access? I am curious since most of the phish e-mails I get come from places like China, South Korea, or Russia. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 Facebook me BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From micah at raincross-tech.com Wed Feb 7 18:06:17 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:04:52 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> Sounds like their webserver was just hacked and that sub-folder was used to hold an add. This has happened to a couple of my clients from time to time. I'm always amazed how people insist on using logins like 'web' with a password of 'web' for their site FTP. One time I was called because a client had found some really offensive porn on their site and couldn't understand how it got there. If admins don't keep track of their site and don't use secure password techniques, this type of thing will remain prevalent. -Micah On 02/07/2007 02:55 PM, Drew, Bill wrote: > I have been getting a lot of phishing emails supposedly from Amazon. > It is quite irritating since I do a lot of business on Amazon. I looked > at the source code for one of the messages and found this web address: > //www.holyspirit-indy.org/pack46/.support/www.amazon.com/flex/sign-out.h > tml/2Fhomepage=protocol=httpsaction=sign-out/exec.php?cmd=sign-in > > I went to the website www.holyspirit-indy.org and found the website for > the Holy Spirit Catholic Church of Indianapolis. I called them to tell > them that their webserver was being used for phishing exploits. The > priest I talked to was quite happy to have my phone call. He was going > to talk to their website administrator. Is this type of hack common and > how do idiots get this type of access? I am curious since most of the > phish e-mails I get come from places like China, South Korea, or Russia. > > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > Morrisville State College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 > Facebook me > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ > Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ > SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ > My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com > > "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From reiterbe at mail.lib.msu.edu Wed Feb 7 18:08:49 2007 From: reiterbe at mail.lib.msu.edu (Ben Reiter) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:11:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CA5C01.8090801@mail.lib.msu.edu> Having been a webhosting support tech and sysadmin in a previous life, I can say that it is _very_ common. Usually, a vulnerable installation of e.g. a PHP forum, combined with world-writable (mode 777) directories, are exploited to get the malicious content in an out-of-the-way place on the victim's site. (in this case, a hidden 'support' directory under 'pack46'). A common sibling to the compromised website is the spam script, which is often run on a victim's server to send out the actual phishing spams. They are usually done in the same fashion, with a vulnerable script being tricked into downloading a malicious file from a remote location to the local /tmp directory, and then running it. The smarter ones delete the script after starting it, so you have no file to look for, and by spawning and killing many child processes (so there's no one 'monolithic' spam process to kill). All you can really do is make sure that your code and server are well-designed and hardened. There's no shortage of wide-open sites and insecure scripts for these spammers to exploit. A small organization (like a local church) rarely has the person-hours or expertise to harden, much less audit, its site, and often they don't realize that they have been compromised until they get a phone call like yours. > I have been getting a lot of phishing emails supposedly from Amazon. > It is quite irritating since I do a lot of business on Amazon. I looked > at the source code for one of the messages and found this web address: > //www.holyspirit-indy.org/pack46/.support/www.amazon.com/flex/sign-out.h > tml/2Fhomepage=protocol=httpsaction=sign-out/exec.php?cmd=sign-in > > I went to the website www.holyspirit-indy.org and found the website for > the Holy Spirit Catholic Church of Indianapolis. I called them to tell > them that their webserver was being used for phishing exploits. The > priest I talked to was quite happy to have my phone call. He was going > to talk to their website administrator. Is this type of hack common and > how do idiots get this type of access? I am curious since most of the > phish e-mails I get come from places like China, South Korea, or Russia. > Ben Reiter Library Web Services Michigan State University reiterbe@mail.lib.msu.edu "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Feb 7 18:19:50 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:19:55 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: I am beginning to wonder if we as possibly more sophisticated web users and managers need to make an effort to notify the owners of websites about such exploits originating from their webserver? I think I will do that when I can. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu -----Original Message----- From: Micah Stevens [mailto:micah@raincross-tech.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:06 PM To: Drew, Bill Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails Sounds like their webserver was just hacked and that sub-folder was used to hold an add. This has happened to a couple of my clients from time to time. I'm always amazed how people insist on using logins like 'web' with a password of 'web' for their site FTP. One time I was called because a client had found some really offensive porn on their site and couldn't understand how it got there. If admins don't keep track of their site and don't use secure password techniques, this type of thing will remain prevalent. -Micah From micah at raincross-tech.com Wed Feb 7 18:27:55 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:26:28 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CA607B.6010601@raincross-tech.com> I agree. This is neighborly and helpful. I have had exploits happen unnoticed on systems I am responsible for and didn't notice for several days, and I pride myself on being fairly aware of things. I've had some rude responses as a result, but rude or not, they did help me become aware and fix the problem. -Micah On 02/07/2007 03:19 PM, Drew, Bill wrote: > I am beginning to wonder if we as possibly more sophisticated web users > and managers need to make an effort to notify the owners of websites > about such exploits originating from their webserver? I think I will do > that when I can. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Micah Stevens [mailto:micah@raincross-tech.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:06 PM > To: Drew, Bill > Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails > > Sounds like their webserver was just hacked and that sub-folder was used > > to hold an add. This has happened to a couple of my clients from time to > > time. I'm always amazed how people insist on using logins like 'web' > with a password of 'web' for their site FTP. One time I was called > because a client had found some really offensive porn on their site and > couldn't understand how it got there. > > If admins don't keep track of their site and don't use secure password > techniques, this type of thing will remain prevalent. > > -Micah > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kayiwa at uic.edu Wed Feb 7 18:29:22 2007 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:29:36 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Drew, Bill wrote: > I am beginning to wonder if we as possibly more sophisticated web > users > and managers need to make an effort to notify the owners of websites > about such exploits originating from their webserver? I think I > will do > that when I can. Methinks you will spend the rest of your life doing this and not even crack the tip of the iceberg. With statistics like this http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=172303265 it is more important for companies to hire good sys-admins. It is trivial to install and setup a webserver etc., the devil is in securing it and many an organization doesn't understand this or it is not impressed upon them. Like they say "if my grandmother was a bus we'd all go for a ride" :-) regards, ./fxk From jaf30 at cornell.edu Wed Feb 7 18:34:09 2007 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Wed Feb 7 18:34:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> References: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070207182544.021c2218@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 06:06 PM 2/7/2007, Micah Stevens wrote: >Sounds like their webserver was just hacked and that sub-folder was >used to hold an add. This has happened to a couple of my clients >from time to time. I'm always amazed how people insist on using >logins like 'web' with a password of 'web' for their site FTP. One >time I was called because a client had found some really offensive >porn on their site and couldn't understand how it got there. > >If admins don't keep track of their site and don't use secure >password techniques, this type of thing will remain prevalent. Password compromises are just one means for hacking web sites. There are many other security vulnerabilities, but yes, passwords are a first line of defense. One of the more common and annoying is compromising open source products that have been installed, but not properly secured. Because the product is open source anyone can download it and examine it for possible security holes, the look for places that have installed the software and enter the system through a hole that, because it is open source, is more easily discovered. We recently had quite a few reports of people receiving porn spam with URLs which looked like were coming from our PURL server. The system was apparently compromised such that people were able to create persistant urls pointing to their favorite porn site. Regarding the attacks coming from China, Russia, etc. It's becoming a fairly common practice to configure mail servers such that all mail coming from a .ch (china) domain is rejected. >-Micah > >On 02/07/2007 02:55 PM, Drew, Bill wrote: >>I have been getting a lot of phishing emails supposedly from Amazon. >>It is quite irritating since I do a lot of business on Amazon. I looked >>at the source code for one of the messages and found this web address: >>//www.holyspirit-indy.org/pack46/.support/www.amazon.com/flex/sign-out.h >>tml/2Fhomepage=protocol=httpsaction=sign-out/exec.php?cmd=sign-in >> >>I went to the website www.holyspirit-indy.org and found the website for >>the Holy Spirit Catholic Church of Indianapolis. I called them to tell >>them that their webserver was being used for phishing exploits. The >>priest I talked to was quite happy to have my phone call. He was going >>to talk to their website administrator. Is this type of hack common and >>how do idiots get this type of access? I am curious since most of the >>phish e-mails I get come from places like China, South Korea, or Russia. >> >> >>Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >>Morrisville State College Library >>E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >>AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 >>Facebook me >>BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >>Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ >>Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ >>SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ >>My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com >> >>"They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety >>deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Web4lib mailing list >>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY From selbylib at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 19:50:20 2007 From: selbylib at hotmail.com (andrea ginsky) Date: Wed Feb 7 19:50:25 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Reference Supervisor Postion Sarasota Florida Message-ID: Join the team of an upbeat, progressive, public library in Sarasota, Florida. Selby Public Library is seeking an energetic, team-oriented Reference Section Supervisor with a strong public service commitment. Duties include management of a varied collection, reference service to a diverse population characteristic of a large public library in a busy urban setting, supervision of the Reference Section staff; and administration of library technology. Selby Library is the largest library in the Sarasota County Library System and caters to a diverse and growing community. The facility is spacious and modern and the staff is dynamic and dedicated to excellent public service. Position Title: Supervisor - Librarian Location: Community Services - Libraries - Selby Library Position Number: 0393 This is a supervisory professional position that includes collaboration with the Library Manager to establish strategic plans, with emphasis on team development and daily operations. Salary: $42,203.20 to $53,206.40 TYPES OF DUTIES: 35% - Administrative Duties - Collaborates with Library Manager, section teams and staff to establish goals and action; functions as Librarian in Charge in the absence of the Library Manager; interprets policies and procedures for staff and public; develops, implements and evaluates special projects, services and programs; networks with other agencies within the County, the community, and the library profession; prepares monthly statistical reports; chairs and/or participates in System-wide projects or service teams. 10% - Collection Development/Maintenance - Directly responsible for the developing, implementing and overseeing the selection guidelines for the section; monitors the quality of the reference, nonfiction, fiction, media, periodical and Federal Government Documents collection, in all formats; and manages the budget for these collections; assigns areas of collection responsibility to staff for selecting and deselecting of materials; coordinates special collection development projects; participates in System-wide Selection meetings and teams. 35% - Human Resources - Supervises the staff and daily operations of the Reference Section; manages scheduling of performance appraisals, participates as appraiser, and assists employees in creating Individual Development Plans; conducts regularly scheduled staff meetings and one-on-one meetings with each employee; maintains records of workshops and training for each employee; oversees staff scheduling, including Reference Desk, Ask a Librarian, and Roaming; interviews, hires, orients and trains reference staff; evaluates staffing needs for the Section. 10% - Technology/Equipment - Serves as primary contact for IT to manage technology needs; trouble-shoots equipment/software problems; recommends equipment purchases; serves as Site Coordinator for statewide Virtual Reference service, Ask a Librarian; coordinates with Library Administration on the development of the library website and implementation of new technologies. 10% - Reference Services/Patron Assistance - Directs the activities of the library’s reference/information services; advises and assists patrons in selecting, locating and utilizing library resources; provides answers to patrons’ questions, both ready reference and in-depth; instructs the pubic in the use of library and information resources; promotes the use of library resources through individual instruction, scheduled classes, tours, talks, etc. Other duties as assigned or required. Required Experience: A Master’s Degree in Library Science from a college or university accredited by the American Library Association AND three (3) years of experience in a professional library position, preferably in a public library. Experience in management and supervision is preferred. Apply online using Sarasota County’s Paperless Applicant Tracking System pats.sarasotacounty.org View the Sarasota County Library System website www.sclibs.net Andrea Ginsky Manager, Public Services Sarasota County Library System _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Feb 7 20:34:19 2007 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Feb 7 20:34:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security Message-ID: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Feb 7 20:42:52 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Feb 7 20:42:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Why not take their ID or even car/room keys? If they want to use a laptop they will comply wit the request. We require students to leave their ID card with us when they borrow course reserve materials. If we ever decide to have a formal program to loan out our laptops we would go the same route. Our laptops are now used mostly for instruction. Clearly labeling them is a must. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. From AWDobbs at ship.edu Wed Feb 7 20:51:55 2007 From: AWDobbs at ship.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed Feb 7 20:52:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A561B06@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Hi Karen, We retain the student ID while the laptop is out -- which makes printing kinda tricky as the student must swipe their card to release any print jobs. However, Pharos keeps the print jobs for several hours and we have had, I think, only one complaint (but it was a hesitant complaint as we are currently not charging for printing and the complainer didn't want to be the cause for resumption of charging) :) We keep the Student ID on the charging shelf of the loaned laptop while it is out. To my knowledge we have had no "misappropriated" laptops in the 3 or 4 year history of the program. -Aaron :-)' Aaron W. Dobbs Systems Librarian Shippensburg University voice: 717.477.1018 fax: 717.477.1389 AIM: AaronLibrarian Y!M: AaronTheLibrarian Miranda: "You have your backup backing up your backups" Mike: "Recursives! Spoiled again!" -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd ssume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HesterM at bartonccc.edu Wed Feb 7 20:52:57 2007 From: HesterM at bartonccc.edu (Hester, Mary) Date: Wed Feb 7 20:53:39 2007 Subject: [BULK] [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Our laptops just go out short periods of time (half day maximum). The students leave their student ID cards with us (this is also their meal card). If they don't have their ID they have to leave 'something valuable'. We have kept a variety of things: dorm keys, driver's license, credit card. We are small enough that we know our students, so we know if the ID or driver's license is really belongs to that person. We may decide on longer check outs in the future so the latest laptops do have GPS locators. We will probably require a security deposit as well. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [BULK] [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security Importance: Low For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From PSchoenberg at EPL.CA Wed Feb 7 21:42:55 2007 From: PSchoenberg at EPL.CA (Peter Schoenberg) Date: Wed Feb 7 21:47:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries References: <20070207170008.DC67B189AEC@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D70202C896@TRINITY.epl.ca> I received the following response from Audible. Question: How do I get a Library account with Licensing that works for Public Libraries? Discussion Thread Response (Victor) 02/07/2007 06:24 PM Dear Peter Schoenberg, Thank you for contacting Audible.com. I apologize for the delay in this response. At this moment, we are reworking the Library program, to insure a low cost means of getting downloadable book files to Libraries. Due to this, we are not creating new Library accounts (public and school). The estimated time right now is between 3-6 months for the new program to be available. Do you wish to be put on a list to be contacted when this is ready? If you do, please respond back to this email message with the name of the Library, plus a contact number if you would prefer a phone call notification. If you have any other questions, please respond back to this email message or you can call me directly using 1-888-890-4070, x2831. I am normally here between 12-9PM EST M-F. Thank you for contacting Audible and have a great day! If you need further assistance, please respond to this email. For additional questions, feel free to use ?Find An Answer? at our online Helpcenter ( http://audible.custhelp.com ), or contact us directly by phone during our regular business hours: Account/Billing Support: Email or Phone available 24x7 Technical Support: Mon-Fri 9AM to 10PM EST Sat & Sun 10AM to 6PM EST 888-283-5051 Sincerely, Victor Audible Customer Support - Team Lead From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Feb 7 22:52:40 2007 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Feb 7 22:53:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070208035314.E0FA210964@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> > Why not take their ID or even car/room keys? If they want to use a > laptop they will comply wit the request. We require students to leave > their ID card with us when they borrow course reserve materials. If we > ever decide to have a formal program to loan out our laptops we would go > the same route. Our laptops are now used mostly for instruction. > Clearly labeling them is a must. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu Bill, you bring up an interesting point about consistency across policies. We'll look into that as well. Thanks! K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From ecraig at cnr.edu Wed Feb 7 22:57:07 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Wed Feb 7 22:57:08 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security References: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF02ED72B7@adams.cnr.edu> Karen, We have both a Student Laptop program for resident students in two of our schools and a fairly extensive library laptop loan program at five campuses for CNR. First of all, you need Computrace or similar software as it is the most effective solution to laptops "having legs." Secondly, we couldn't live with DeepFreeze as it restores a set configuration simply through rebooting the unit. You can always Ghost the laptop again, but rebooting with DeepFreeze is much easier. Labels are probably helpful, but they' won't do much for someone determined to lift a machine (knowing that the police will show up at their door is very effective). My own feeling on oversized labels is that making a machine look ugly will probably encourage people to treat it ugly. Obviously, holding ID cards is a must. Our IT area could also track login records if we ever needed to (if someone left an ID of another student, for ex) but thankfully, we've not had to resort to this. Hope this helps, -e Emory M. Craig Director of Academic Computing Services The College of New Rochelle New Rochelle, N.Y. 10805 914-654-5536 www.cnr.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wed 2/7/2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lists at lisnews.com Thu Feb 8 06:43:22 2007 From: lists at lisnews.com (Blake Carver) Date: Thu Feb 8 06:43:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? Message-ID: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> Speaking Of Phishing... The thread on phishing exploits reminds me how important security is. How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the web? I've found the best way for me is subscribing to all the common announcement lists for things like Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, along with a few feeds in my feed reader: Latest Secunia Security Advisories, SecurityFocus Vulnerabilities, The SANS Internet Storm Center, FrSIRT - Vulnerabilities and Cyber Threats, The honeyblog. I'm always looking for other sources of security news, new exploits, trends and such, what am I missing? -------------- Blake Carver LISHost.org Web Hosting For Librarians http://www.lishost.org From PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org Thu Feb 8 06:52:01 2007 From: PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org (Phillip Whitford) Date: Thu Feb 8 06:52:07 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Our public library started a laptop loaner program about a year ago. We engraved some ID information on the bottom of the laptop and require borrowers to leave their ID. We use Cornerstone software to restore the laptops to their original configuration and to remove patron files. This happens automatically when the laptop is rebooted. We don't allow the laptops to leave the building. So far no problems. Phillip B. Whitford Manager Information Technology Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my organization. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jaf30 at cornell.edu Thu Feb 8 07:08:11 2007 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Thu Feb 8 07:08:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070208070253.0379c948@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 06:43 AM 2/8/2007, Blake Carver wrote: >Speaking Of Phishing... The thread on phishing exploits reminds me >how important security is. > >How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the web? I don't thinik everyone can, or *should* try to keep up with all of the security lists. I was a unix systems administrator for 15 years and did keep up with them when that was part of my responsibility. As a java programmer/systems analyst/technology strategist I have to be aware of general security implications for systems I develop/design but if I spent much time following all of the lists you suggest I wouldn't have time to do my *real* job. We have a systems administrator whose responsibility it is to follow security happenings and he does a good job of keeping abreast of issues that could impact the systems that our programmer/analysts develop. >I've found the best way for me is subscribing to all the common >announcement lists for things like Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, along >with a few feeds in my feed reader: Latest Secunia Security >Advisories, SecurityFocus Vulnerabilities, The SANS Internet Storm >Center, FrSIRT - Vulnerabilities and Cyber Threats, The honeyblog. > >I'm always looking for other sources of security news, new exploits, >trends and such, what am I missing? > >-------------- >Blake Carver >LISHost.org >Web Hosting For Librarians >http://www.lishost.org >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Thu Feb 8 10:18:55 2007 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:19:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I'm always looking for other sources of security news, new exploits, > trends and such, what am I missing? I didn't see CERT (www.cert.org) on the list. It's rather broad though. I remember using it more when I was doing some sysadmin stuff. And of course, being on the security lists for apps/operating systems you actually use is probably the best. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana From lewisw at hhpl.on.ca Thu Feb 8 10:24:14 2007 From: lewisw at hhpl.on.ca (Walter Lewis) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:24:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Relevancy-ranking LCSH? In-Reply-To: <17866.64531.380071.583283@localhost.localdomain> References: <45CA25FB.6030700@hhpl.on.ca> <17866.64531.380071.583283@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45CB409E.7070707@hhpl.on.ca> Walter Lewis writes: > > This begins to feel like the engines purportedly used by various > > anti-plagiarism "services". > > > > Think of the wonderful collection of unintended consequences. :) Some one responded to me directly and wondered if I would be less subtle. :) If we had a relevance ranking mechanism that was aware of the full-text of books, I was thinking that it might turn up a variety of instances where there was serious plagiarism happening in the publishing world. We have seen in the last year or so fiction like the "Da Vinci Code" in court defending itself against the plagiarism of purported "non-fiction" like the "Holy Blood and the Holy Grail". My notion of unintended consequences was that, to the extent that the Latent Semantic Indexing that Art referred to could discern patterns in sections of books, it might be used as evidence in the "real" world, as well as in the classroom. Could the originality of research come down to an index value that measured similarity/dissimilarity to other published works? (not an outcome I'm advocating, BTW) All speculation on my part. Walter From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Thu Feb 8 10:32:25 2007 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:32:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070207182544.021c2218@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> References: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070207182544.021c2218@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: > Because the product is open source anyone can download it and examine it > for possible security holes, the look for places that have installed the > software and enter the system through a hole that, because it is open > source, is more easily discovered. Mentioning Open Source here is a little bit of a red herring don't you think? One of the major issues is unpatched systems, regardless of whether they're closed or open. There exists tools for looking for examining exploits or mistakes in compiled binaries. Worse case scenario, anyone can use tools to dump the binary back out into assembler. In fact, when I think of several of the largest-scale compromises, they tend to all be unpatched closed-source systems. Code Red, ILoveYou, and the countless IE 5/6 ActiveX exploits were all used unpatched closed source systems. I agree that open-source code by it's nature can lead to people snooping through the code. But it's not unheard of for the source of closed-source products to get leaked or for hackers to target systems that might have source code for closed programs. At least with open source there is the possibility of using a third-party to analyize a piece of software for security exploits. Jon Gorman From mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu Thu Feb 8 11:01:35 2007 From: mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu (M. Jean Williams-Adams) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:51:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security References: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <723175C2360BAE44A77F135E68A9E84903696515@its-exch2k3be1.FAMU.EDU> http://www.lojackforlaptops.com/learn-more-lojack-for-laptops.asp Karen I am also researching a good security system for our laptop program. Review the link I attached and also review the attached link relating to DELL http://www.absolute.com/PDF/PressReleases/Dell-press-release.pdf. We require an ID of course, they must register to use the laptop first so that we know they are validated in the system, before checking out the laptop they must complete the laptop agreement form. We do label our computers and are thinking about making them look more unsightly to help deter theft. M Jean Williams Adams Systems Librarian Samuel H. Coleman Memorial Library 1500 S. Martin Luther King Blvd Tallahassee, FL 32307-4700 Phone # 850-561-2131 Fax # 850-561-2599 Email: mjean.williamsadams@famu.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wed 2/7/2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From loriayre at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 10:58:36 2007 From: loriayre at gmail.com (Lori Ayre) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:58:46 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Infopeople's "Developing a Library Technology Plan" online learning course Message-ID: <6aaa5a160702080758o112330ecyc0c443d3add5eec5@mail.gmail.com> Since some people who may be interested in participating might not receive this notice directly, we would appreciate it if you would print and post or route this announcement to staff and colleagues. Thanks! Title: Developing a Library Technology Plan (online learning course) Dates: March 27 - April 23, 2007 To register for this workshop: Use the online registration form at http://infopeople.org/workshop/313 Fee: Thanks to the Gates Staying Connected grant, Infopeople is able to offer this workshop to the library community free of charge. Technology is an integral part of every library environment. Whether your library is big or small, computers are a fact of life. In order to effectively and efficiently manage and use technology, the library must have an up-to-date technology plan. A technology plan is much more than a technology inventory. It is a living document that helps the library continually evaluate their use of technology to ensure that technology investments are in line with the library's service goals. --Does your library have a technology plan? If so, when was it last updated? --Are you responsible for developing, updating, or implementing a technology plan for your library? --Have you ever wondered whether your technology plan includes everything it should? --Do you wonder why you should bother developing a technology plan when technology changes so fast that you can't possibly keep up with the changes? Technology plans help ensure that your library is ready to migrate and upgrade technology when necessary. Once developed, the annual process of reviewing and modifying the technology plan provides a basis for long-term planning and strategic decision-making. This online course will help the student develop their library's technology plan and establish a work plan for regularly evaluating the use of technology in the context of the library's service goals. Workshop Description: This four-week online learning course will provide templates and tools for developing a library technology plan. Students will be introduced to TechAtlas, a free online tool for developing some aspects of the technology plan. Students will see other library's technology plans and use them as a jumping off point for developing a technology plan suited to their own library. In addition to the course material, students will participate in online discussion forums as part of the online learning process. Preliminary Course Outline: Using your web browser and your Internet connection, you will log in to the Infopeople online learning site and complete the following learning modules: Module One: Introduction to Technology Planning --Why it needs to be done and how it is connected to library service goals --Importance of expressing service goals in terms of user experience --Identifying gaps in service areas and preparing for the future Module Two: Technology Infrastructure Issues --Documenting what the library has and what the library needs in the future --Planning for upgrades, maintenance and support --Using TechAtlas --Evaluating current inventory and level of support against the library's service goals. Module Three: Human Resources --Importance of training and professional development --How better support systems for staff and customers improves the overall library experience Module Four: Budgeting and Evaluation --How to estimate costs of equipment and services --Annual review to address gaps, change priorities and modify long term plans --E-Rate and other funding options Instructor: Lori Ayre. Lori is the principal consultant with The Galecia Group, a library technology consulting and project management firm located in the North Bay. Lori has been on contract with Infopeople since 2000 doing work on various technology topics including reporting on Internet filters, teaching, managing projects and Infopeople's webcast program. In addition to consulting, Lori speaks and writes on numerous topics including blogging, filtering and RFID. She has her own blog, Mentat, which covers the gamut from political griping to tech tips for public libraries. Online Learning Details: This four-week course will be taught online using the web. When you register, you will receive a registration confirmation that will include the URL to get to the course, as well as a username and password. Every student proceeds through the online learning modules at his or her own pace. Students should expect to commit to spending a minimum of 2 to 2? hours per week on this course in order to be successful. You can work on each module at your own pace, at any hour of the day or night. However, you will be expected to log in to the course each week to do that week's assignment. We ask that you log in sometime during the first week of the course to begin the course work. Your instructor will be available for limited consultation support for two weeks after the official end date of a course, and the course material will stay up for an additional two weeks after that, to give those who have fallen behind time to work independently on the course. However, you will be expected to accomplish the majority of the course in synchronization with your peers during the first four weeks. Who Should Take This Course: Anyone from the library community with an interest in technology planning. Prerequisites: This course is taught over the web. You must: --Have an Internet connection and Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher. --Be able to save Microsoft Word .doc or Adobe .pdf files to your computer and print them out. (For .doc files, a free Word Viewer is available at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en. Search for "Word Viewer." For .pdf files, a free Adobe Acrobat Reader is available at http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/main.html). --Be comfortable navigating on the web and navigating back and forward on a website that uses frames. To be most successful in this course you should be willing to share information with your colleagues and be willing to spend time reading and participating in the weekly discussion boards. System Requirements: The online learning product that Infopeople uses is called Angel. The following are minimum system requirements for using Angel. You will need access to a computer that has at least these specifications to participate in an online course: Windows: --Internet Explorer 6.0 and above, Netscape 7.1 and above, or Firefox 1.5 and above Macintosh: --Mozilla 1.4 and above (which is the same engine as Netscape 7.1), Safari 2.0 and above, or Firefox 1.5 and above --OS X and above (OS 9 will NOT work with our online learning product) If you are not comfortable with any of the above, please consider taking this course with a colleague who does meet these requirements. To view a complete list of Infopeople workshops and for general information about Infopeople training opportunities, go to the main Infopeople Workshops page at http://www.infopeople.org/workshop If you have questions about registration or scheduling of workshops, please contact Linda Rodenspiel, the Infopeople Project Assistant, at assist@infopeople.org or by phone at 650-578-9685. From micah at raincross-tech.com Thu Feb 8 11:22:35 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:21:13 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails In-Reply-To: References: <45CA5B69.4090407@raincross-tech.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070207182544.021c2218@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <45CB4E4B.4000303@raincross-tech.com> On 02/08/2007 07:32 AM, Jonathan Gorman wrote: > >> Because the product is open source anyone can download it and examine >> it for possible security holes, the look for places that have >> installed the software and enter the system through a hole that, >> because it is open source, is more easily discovered. > > Mentioning Open Source here is a little bit of a red herring don't you > think? One of the major issues is unpatched systems, regardless of > whether they're closed or open. There exists tools for looking for > examining exploits or mistakes in compiled binaries. Worse case > scenario, anyone can use tools to dump the binary back out into > assembler. > > In fact, when I think of several of the largest-scale compromises, > they tend to all be unpatched closed-source systems. Code Red, > ILoveYou, and the countless IE 5/6 ActiveX exploits were all used > unpatched closed source systems. > > I agree that open-source code by it's nature can lead to people > snooping through the code. But it's not unheard of for the source of > closed-source products to get leaked or for hackers to target systems > that might have source code for closed programs. At least with open > source there is the possibility of using a third-party to analyize a > piece of software for security exploits. > > Jon Gorman > Agreed, open source has greater visibility and therefore a greater audience of people 'doing good' then people 'doing bad'. Smaller projects are a different beast, but the large ones, such as Apache for example I would trust more than a closed source system for exactly this reason. But if you don't patch your system, anything is dangerous. -Micah From mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu Thu Feb 8 11:31:07 2007 From: mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu (M. Jean Williams-Adams) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:22:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security References: Message-ID: <723175C2360BAE44A77F135E68A9E84903696519@its-exch2k3be1.FAMU.EDU> We also engrave an ID on the bottom of the laptop and they are only used in the library for 4-6 hours a day. J Adams Systems Librarian FL A&M University Library ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Phillip Whitford Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 6:52 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security Our public library started a laptop loaner program about a year ago. We engraved some ID information on the bottom of the laptop and require borrowers to leave their ID. We use Cornerstone software to restore the laptops to their original configuration and to remove patron files. This happens automatically when the laptop is rebooted. We don't allow the laptops to leave the building. So far no problems. Phillip B. Whitford Manager Information Technology Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my organization. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:34 PM To: publib@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security For those of you with laptop checkout programs, what security systems are you using to help minimize theft? We are big enough and busy enough that relying on good faith or vigilant employees is not adequate. Some of the answers I've come up with online: ... Computrace (makes sense) ... Requiring ID (well, duh) ... Requiring second ID (hmmm...) ... Taking ID (not sure we can do this) ... Steep fines for late returns (seem reasonable) ... Labeling the laptops (can't hurt) ... Stockades (deterrence through public humiliation) O.k., maybe I made up the part about stockades. The idea of labeling the laptops makes me grin a little... huge lettering that said HI, I'M FROM THE LIBRARY could deter at least a spontaneous thief. Maybe add stick-ons with fluffy kittens or featuring Barry Manilow. I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. I'd assume some attrition; it's a checkout program, we want the equipment to be used, stuff happens. (As it sayeth in the Good Book, laptops go and come, but earth abides.) I just would like to see most if not all of the laptops return after the first day. ;-) Thanks in advance, Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology & Research Florida State University Email/AIM: kschneider@mailer.fsu.edu Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From micah at raincross-tech.com Thu Feb 8 11:26:46 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:26:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CB4F46.6090302@raincross-tech.com> On 02/08/2007 03:43 AM, Blake Carver wrote: > Speaking Of Phishing... The thread on phishing exploits reminds me > how important security is. > > How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the > web? > > I've found the best way for me is subscribing to all the common > announcement lists for things like Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, along > with a few feeds in my feed reader: Latest Secunia Security > Advisories, SecurityFocus Vulnerabilities, The SANS Internet Storm > Center, FrSIRT - Vulnerabilities and Cyber Threats, The honeyblog. > There's a heck of a lot of information out there, and I have to trust other people in this process. There are some critical items that I keep up with, but for general system updates I trust my packager probably more than I should, but I don't really have a choice since we're a small house. I can't pay a full time security expert. So far perhaps I've been lucky, but I've experienced no software exploits on my servers through published software. (knocking loudly) However, I still spend 5-10 hours a week minimum keeping up with the technology, which includes this type of thing. And I update regularly. -Micah From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Thu Feb 8 11:30:49 2007 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:33:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries In-Reply-To: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D70202C896@TRINITY.epl.ca> Message-ID: Thank you, Peter, for doing this legwork. Let's all let them know that it's an interest for us. Maybe they'll consider that in constructing a pricing structure, if they know how big a customer-base they will have. -Margaret Eugene, OR -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Peter Schoenberg Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:43 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries I received the following response from Audible. Question: How do I get a Library account with Licensing that works for Public Libraries? Discussion Thread Response (Victor) 02/07/2007 06:24 PM Dear Peter Schoenberg, Thank you for contacting Audible.com. I apologize for the delay in this response. At this moment, we are reworking the Library program, to insure a low cost means of getting downloadable book files to Libraries. Due to this, we are not creating new Library accounts (public and school). The estimated time right now is between 3-6 months for the new program to be available. Do you wish to be put on a list to be contacted when this is ready? If you do, please respond back to this email message with the name of the Library, plus a contact number if you would prefer a phone call notification. If you have any other questions, please respond back to this email message or you can call me directly using 1-888-890-4070, x2831. I am normally here between 12-9PM EST M-F. Thank you for contacting Audible and have a great day! If you need further assistance, please respond to this email. For additional questions, feel free to use "Find An Answer" at our online Helpcenter ( http://audible.custhelp.com ), or contact us directly by phone during our regular business hours: Account/Billing Support: Email or Phone available 24x7 Technical Support: Mon-Fri 9AM to 10PM EST Sat & Sun 10AM to 6PM EST 888-283-5051 Sincerely, Victor Audible Customer Support - Team Lead From steven.turner at usm.edu Thu Feb 8 11:45:13 2007 From: steven.turner at usm.edu (steven turner) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:45:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Rescarta vs contentDM Message-ID: Does anyone feel like highlighting or arguing the relative merits of Rescarta vs. ContentDM? Or something that works better than either? My institution is thinking about using rescarta for a specific digtial archive project. We already have ContentDM, and some persons within the organization feel that the current version of ContentDM already on hand should be used instead of investing in another tool that has to be implemented and then maintained. Of particular concern is a possible eventual data migration from Rescarta to ContentDM, and the possible ensuing difficulties. Thanks Steve ----------------------------------------- Steven Turner Library Web Services Manager Associate Professor The University of Southern Mississippi Cook Library ----------------------------------------- email: steven.turner@usm.edu phone: 601.266.4066 ----------------------------------------- From andrew.nagy at villanova.edu Thu Feb 8 11:51:04 2007 From: andrew.nagy at villanova.edu (Andrew Nagy) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:51:13 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45CB54F8.6090707@villanova.edu> K.G. Schneider wrote: > I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would > re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) > Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear > and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, > buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. > And make sure you label all "removable" parts. We use a barcode label that can be scanned. We commonly will give out a laptop with a nice new battery and get an old dead battery with the laptop when it is returned. If you label the battery, cdrom drive, etc. then students can't get away with "refreshing" their own laptops. We have a laptop program on campus so our loaner laptops are the same as the laptops distributed to the students which makes it very easy for them to swap parts. We have a quick checklist that the folks at the circ desk have to go through and check each part of the laptop when it is returned, this has really minimized on the "swaping" of dead parts. We also have 2 batteries and 2 power cords for each laptop and a 4 bay quick charger that we can recharge batteries with in about an hour. We have also come up with a 2 year replacement plan for all batteries to keep them fresh. Good luck! Andrew From kSuhr at semo.edu Thu Feb 8 11:53:05 2007 From: kSuhr at semo.edu (Suhr, Karl) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:53:22 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job posting: POSITION: Information Services Librarian, Kent Library, Southeast Missouri State University Message-ID: <2DA21E6CECCDE7419541C7A6DB798F0CD447B0@EXCHANGE.semo.edu> Kent Library Southeast Missouri State University POSITION: Information Services Librarian DATE: Available July 1, 2007. Review of applications will begin February 15 and will continue until the position is filled. RESPONSIBILITIES: Reports to Head, Information Services Department. Participates in the development, promotion and assessment of information literacy initiatives. Collaborates with library and departmental faculty to design and create instructional methods and materials. Participates in ongoing development of library web pages. Participates in the reference/information commons staffing rotation and individually scheduled reference consultations. Provides library users instruction on identifying, locating, retrieving, evaluating and using information. Participates in instruction for the unit?s information literacy program. Provides information services to students, faculty, staff and local patrons on the main campus and in distance education programs. Monitors changes in service provision, software, technology, publishing, copyright and information delivery. Conforms to best practices. Continuously develops skills and keeps up to date and knowledgeable in areas of primary responsibility. Remains current in the discipline of academic librarianship. Has a positive influence on library functions. Serves actively on department and university level committees and follows through on committee assignments in a timely fashion. Joins and participates in the activities of professional organizations. Undertakes special projects as needed or assigned. Meets established standards for performance for merit pay consideration but is not expected to engage in scholarship and publication. Understands the changes in services and materials mandated by technology as well as understands and appreciates library and academic values and traditions. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: ALA accredited MLS by date of initial appointment. Ability to work well collaboratively and independently. Demonstrated skills in designing and delivering information literacy instruction. Experience designing and maintaining web pages. Familiarity with ACRL information literacy standards. Evidence of successfully and flexibly adapting to change. Ability to balance multiple projects concurrently and meet deadlines. Evidence of a strong service ethic. Excellent written and oral communication skills. Preferred: Teaching experience in a higher education setting. Academic library work experience. Coursework in instructional design. Familiarity with DHTML, web authoring tools, graphic design tools, web communication and multimedia. Active involvement in professional library-related activities. SALARY: Commensurate with qualifications and experience. Full-time renewable faculty 12-month contract with 24 days vacation. CONTACT: Send a letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses, phone numbers and E-mail addresses of 3 professional references to: David James, Chair of the Search Committee Kent Library/Academic Information Services Southeast Missouri State University One University Plaza, MS 4600 Cape Girardeau, MO 63701-4799 Telephone: (573) 986-7493 Fax: (573) 651-2666 E-mail: dwjames@semo.edu THE LIBRARY: Serves over 10,000 students on the main campus, at 4 regional campuses and through nearly 300 online courses. Collections include 400,000+ books, 2,000 paper periodicals subscriptions, 20,000 online full-text periodicals, regional archives and the world-class Brodsky-Faulkner Collection. Charter member of MOBIUS, a statewide consortium of 62 primarily academic libraries sharing collections totaling over 18 million volumes using patron direct electronic borrowing through an online catalog with materials delivered through an established courier system. Employs 13 library faculty, 8 professional staff and 19 support staff. Construction of a new information commons has begun. Southeast Missouri State University is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. Women and minorities are strongly encouraged to apply. From sattler9 at mail.lib.msu.edu Thu Feb 8 12:07:17 2007 From: sattler9 at mail.lib.msu.edu (Sattler, Kelly) Date: Thu Feb 8 12:18:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries In-Reply-To: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D70202C896@TRINITY.epl.ca> Message-ID: <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E09F42677@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> Hmmm, I recall getting a similar response as Peter did, but back in the fall of 2005. Maybe they meant 3-6 years? Kelly Sattler Digital Projects Librarian Michigan State University 100 Library East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 Phone: 517/432-6123 x305 Fax: 517/432-4795 Email: sattler9@msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Peter Schoenberg Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:43 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries I received the following response from Audible. Question: How do I get a Library account with Licensing that works for Public Libraries? Discussion Thread Response (Victor) 02/07/2007 06:24 PM Dear Peter Schoenberg, Thank you for contacting Audible.com. I apologize for the delay in this response. At this moment, we are reworking the Library program, to insure a low cost means of getting downloadable book files to Libraries. Due to this, we are not creating new Library accounts (public and school). The estimated time right now is between 3-6 months for the new program to be available. Do you wish to be put on a list to be contacted when this is ready? If you do, please respond back to this email message with the name of the Library, plus a contact number if you would prefer a phone call notification. If you have any other questions, please respond back to this email message or you can call me directly using 1-888-890-4070, x2831. I am normally here between 12-9PM EST M-F. Thank you for contacting Audible and have a great day! If you need further assistance, please respond to this email. For additional questions, feel free to use "Find An Answer" at our online Helpcenter ( http://audible.custhelp.com ), or contact us directly by phone during our regular business hours: Account/Billing Support: Email or Phone available 24x7 Technical Support: Mon-Fri 9AM to 10PM EST Sat & Sun 10AM to 6PM EST 888-283-5051 Sincerely, Victor Audible Customer Support - Team Lead From drostj at uah.edu Thu Feb 8 12:42:33 2007 From: drostj at uah.edu (Jack Drost) Date: Thu Feb 8 12:40:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Ideas on emergency systems support Message-ID: <005801c74ba8$865fe950$9138e592@safeguard.uah.edu> The director of the library here would like to look into contracting with some type of service to provide 24/7 emergency backup for our systems in the rare case when one of our systems staff cannot be reached. The library has two staff and a faculty member here who are familiar with all of the library systems and can restart the various services, reboot servers, contact the database vendors for database problems or campus IT if there is a network outage. We are all available by cell phone and the staff who work nights and weekends have a phone list to work down when there is a problem. Usually I get the first call for any afterhours problem and we get systems back up quickly, but perhaps twice a year something will go down and a systems staff member cannot be reached immediately. My director would like an outside contractor to call as a last resort in these cases. I am not sure where to begin looking because not only will this outside contractor have to be familiar with unix, linux and Windows, they would also need to know the basics of our ILS system, database subscriptions, ezproxy and the various other software packages we run for such things as electronic reserves, printing, ILL, federated searching, digital archiving, etc. We are currently working on documentation for each server and service we run with information on basic problem diagnosis, what services should be running on each server and how to restart each service. I could try to make that documentation detailed enough that a contractor who is called on once or twice a year is able to help, but I have my doubts. Has anyone else looked into contracting with an outside service for the rare occasions when your regular systems staff cannot be reached after hours? Thanks, Jack Drost Director of Library Systems UAH Salmon Library drostj@uah.edu From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Thu Feb 8 12:48:02 2007 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:08:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: <45CB4F46.6090302@raincross-tech.com> References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> <45CB4F46.6090302@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: > How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the web? Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but among other things a subscription to CERT's Technical Cyber Security Alerts helps. More at http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/signup.html John Creech, Systems Librarian Brooks Library, Central Washington University 400 E. University Way | Ellensburg, WA 98926 office - 509.963.1081 From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Thu Feb 8 13:36:51 2007 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:37:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> <45CB4F46.6090302@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, John Creech wrote: >> How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the web? > > Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but among other things a > subscription to CERT's Technical Cyber Security Alerts helps. More at > > http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/signup.html > I'll offer just a quick clarification because I mentioned CERT. US-CERT and CERT are different entities. CERT has been around for a while, US-CERT's only been around for three years or so. They both work pretty closely together. I'm not sure at the moment who does what. I know when you go to CERT (www.cert.org)'s webpage they point to the feed John mentioned, but they also have on the bottom of the page a "New and Notable Vulnerabilities". Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana From mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu Thu Feb 8 13:55:56 2007 From: mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu (M. Jean Williams-Adams) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:46:48 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security References: <20070208013453.19F51294FA@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <45CB54F8.6090707@villanova.edu> Message-ID: <723175C2360BAE44A77F135E68A9E8490369651B@its-exch2k3be1.FAMU.EDU> I am interested in the 2 year replacement plan for the batteries. M Jean Williams Adams Systems Librarian Samuel H. Coleman Memorial Library 1500 S. Martin Luther King Blvd Tallahassee, FL 32307-4700 Phone # 850-561-2131 Fax # 850-561-2599 Email: mjean.williamsadams@famu.edu K.G. Schneider wrote: > I'm not worried about what's ON the laptop, in terms of tampering-we would > re-ghost machines on return. (Right, I don't need to be worried?) > Peripherals would be checked out separately (I think...). In terms of wear > and tear, we'd assume it would be pretty heavy, and per the online guidance, > buy extra batteries and maybe some extra power cords. > And make sure you label all "removable" parts. We use a barcode label that can be scanned. We commonly will give out a laptop with a nice new battery and get an old dead battery with the laptop when it is returned. If you label the battery, cdrom drive, etc. then students can't get away with "refreshing" their own laptops. We have a laptop program on campus so our loaner laptops are the same as the laptops distributed to the students which makes it very easy for them to swap parts. We have a quick checklist that the folks at the circ desk have to go through and check each part of the laptop when it is returned, this has really minimized on the "swaping" of dead parts. We also have 2 batteries and 2 power cords for each laptop and a 4 bay quick charger that we can recharge batteries with in about an hour. We have also come up with a 2 year replacement plan for all batteries to keep them fresh. Good luck! Andrew _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Thu Feb 8 13:51:17 2007 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:51:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With Securty Advisories? In-Reply-To: References: <443e04510702080343s59374ea8sbe843cca0088553d@mail.gmail.com> <45CB4F46.6090302@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Jonathan Gorman wrote: > I know when you go to CERT (www.cert.org)'s webpage they point to the feed > John mentioned, but they also have on the bottom of the page a "New and > Notable Vulnerabilities". Thanks for clarifying that, Jonathan. Before I posted today I went to the bottom of an alert I'd saved from last fall and copied and pasted the following: The most recent version of this document can be found at: I've been getting these for years from cert.org and didn't realize the difference. Thanks. john From lou at louisrosenfeld.com Thu Feb 8 14:00:19 2007 From: lou at louisrosenfeld.com (Louis Rosenfeld) Date: Thu Feb 8 14:00:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] ANN: Seminars on IA and usability (Portland OR, Atlanta) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (apologies for cross-posting) Hello; Steve Krug and I will be teaching our Spring 2007 seminars in two US cities: Portland, Oregon (5/10-11) and Atlanta (5/31-6/1). Discounts are available for early registration, for groups of three or more, and for registering for both seminars. Details below; we hope to see you in May! ----- Enterprise Information Architecture: Because users don't care about your org chart (with Lou Rosenfeld) This day-long seminar will help you convert a disjointed collection of content silos into a unified, user-centered web site or intranet. Coverage includes a combination of design recommendations, governance advice, and research methods that work in the highly political and often nasty environment known as the enterprise. The seminar combines lecture, discussion, and group exercises. Locations and Dates Portland, OR: May 10 at The CoHo Theater (early registration by April 13) Atlanta, GA: May 31 at Zoo Atlanta (early registration by May 4) More info and registration: http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/eia Don't Make Me Think: The web usability workshop (with Steve Krug) Expanding on the topics in his best-selling Web usability book, Steve's workshop will teach you how to recognize and solve the usability problems in your own site, and how to make low-cost/no-cost testing an everyday part of your company's design process. The day includes a live usability test and expert reviews of a number of websites using URLs submitted by attendees--perhaps even your own. Locations and Dates Portland, OR: May 11 at The CoHo Theater (early registration by April 13) Atlanta, GA: June 1 at Zoo Atlanta (early registration by May 4) More info and registration: http://www.sensible.com/workshops.html -- Louis Rosenfeld :: http://louisrosenfeld.com Rosenfeld Media :: http://rosenfeldmedia.com New book on search analytics: http://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/searchanalytics Spring 2007 Seminars in Portland and Atlanta: http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/eia From Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us Thu Feb 8 14:08:46 2007 From: Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bret Parker) Date: Thu Feb 8 14:09:17 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20070208035314.E0FA210964@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <20070208035314.E0FA210964@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45CB04BE02000010000BFE8E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> I know someone eluded to knowing the students personally. That works well in a small environment. Policies that work in a larger community would need to stretch beyond the keys to two or three points of verification. In a former life at a Public Library in California: 1. Take keys or photo ID (DL) at the reference desk in exchange for patron use of Mitchell's or Chilton's manuals. 2. Library closes. 3. Reference staff locks up. Oops! Here is a set of unclaimed keys in the drawer (and once in a while a DL). 4. Next day: confirmed the auto repair manual was not returned, it never does get returned. Lesson learned: After a policy is in place, people who want to steal and see a low hurdle security system can and do steal. In this case, anonimity (which is much more possible in a larger community) presented a clear opportunity for getting away with theft. Better solution: Take the ID or car or room keys and provide pointers to staff to verify that these are not fakes (e.g. if all dorm keys look alike, provide a photo of this). Write that into the procedure. But also record the transaction (either in the ILS, another computer systems, or a paper-based system -- whatever works). >>> "K.G. Schneider" 2/7/2007 7:52:40 PM >>> > Why not take their ID or even car/room keys? If they want to use a > laptop they will comply wit the request. We require students to leave > their ID card with us when they borrow course reserve materials. If we > ever decide to have a formal program to loan out our laptops we would go > the same route. Our laptops are now used mostly for instruction. > Clearly labeling them is a must. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu Bill, you bring up an interesting point about consistency across policies. We'll look into that as well. Thanks! K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ryaneby at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 14:47:16 2007 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Thu Feb 8 14:47:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The easiest starting point would probably be RSS as others have suggested. I'm not that familiar with Moodle but since it's open source there are probably various ways of interfacing with it and you could probably have someone roll out a custom module/plugin to accomplish what you want. There might also be a module that already exists: http://moodle.org/mod/data/view.php?id=6009 There hasn't been much done here but some ideas I've thrown around are RSS or a tab in the course that opens an external library hosted page (with course specific info). There is a resource library that also allows faculty to import specific things into the course that they want. Ryan Eby Distance Learning Services Michigan State University On 2/7/07, Pierre Nault wrote: > Hi to all, > > Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course > mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt > environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what could > we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management system) > for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer theses > servicesfor > integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use > Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? > > thanks, > > Pierre Nault > Biblioth?caire > Technologies de l'information, Services des biblioth?ques > Universit? du Qu?bec ? Montr?al > > -- > What do you call a cyclist who doesn't wear a helmet? An organ > donor. ~David Perry > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Thu Feb 8 15:20:01 2007 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:20:10 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails Message-ID: Here is the US-CERT document that identifies some specific vulnerabilities that can be exploited in a web server. I am sure there are others out there as well. http://www.us-cert.gov/reading_room/phishing_trends0511.pdf Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Micah Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:28 PM To: Drew, Bill Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails I agree. This is neighborly and helpful. I have had exploits happen unnoticed on systems I am responsible for and didn't notice for several days, and I pride myself on being fairly aware of things. I've had some rude responses as a result, but rude or not, they did help me become aware and fix the problem. -Micah On 02/07/2007 03:19 PM, Drew, Bill wrote: > I am beginning to wonder if we as possibly more sophisticated web > users and managers need to make an effort to notify the owners of > websites about such exploits originating from their webserver? I > think I will do that when I can. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Micah Stevens [mailto:micah@raincross-tech.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:06 PM > To: Drew, Bill > Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails > > Sounds like their webserver was just hacked and that sub-folder was > used > > to hold an add. This has happened to a couple of my clients from time > to > > time. I'm always amazed how people insist on using logins like 'web' > with a password of 'web' for their site FTP. One time I was called > because a client had found some really offensive porn on their site > and couldn't understand how it got there. > > If admins don't keep track of their site and don't use secure password > techniques, this type of thing will remain prevalent. > > -Micah > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. 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From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Thu Feb 8 15:25:47 2007 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:25:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails Message-ID: I have seen many reports like this one that shows the United States still leads the world in Phishing and Spam. http://www.phishtank.com/stats/2006/10/ Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:55 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; lita-l@ala.org Subject: [Web4lib] Phishing exploits in emails I have been getting a lot of phishing emails supposedly from Amazon. It is quite irritating since I do a lot of business on Amazon. I looked at the source code for one of the messages and found this web address: //www.holyspirit-indy.org/pack46/.support/www.amazon.com/flex/sign-out.h tml/2Fhomepage=protocol=httpsaction=sign-out/exec.php?cmd=sign-in I went to the website www.holyspirit-indy.org and found the website for the Holy Spirit Catholic Church of Indianapolis. I called them to tell them that their webserver was being used for phishing exploits. The priest I talked to was quite happy to have my phone call. He was going to talk to their website administrator. Is this type of hack common and how do idiots get this type of access? I am curious since most of the phish e-mails I get come from places like China, South Korea, or Russia. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 Facebook me BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From houghton-jan at smcl.org Thu Feb 8 15:30:11 2007 From: houghton-jan at smcl.org (Houghton-Jan, Sarah) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:30:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries Message-ID: And I got a similar response too, but this was sometime in 2003. So...it looks like they've had this template for quite a while now. How disappointing. Sarah Houghton-Jan San Mateo County Library: http://www.smcl.org LibrarianInBlack: http://www.librarianinblack.net -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sattler, Kelly Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:07 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries Hmmm, I recall getting a similar response as Peter did, but back in the fall of 2005. Maybe they meant 3-6 years? Kelly Sattler Digital Projects Librarian Michigan State University 100 Library East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 Phone: 517/432-6123 x305 Fax: 517/432-4795 Email: sattler9@msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Peter Schoenberg Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:43 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Audible.com and Libraries I received the following response from Audible. Question: How do I get a Library account with Licensing that works for Public Libraries? Discussion Thread Response (Victor) 02/07/2007 06:24 PM Dear Peter Schoenberg, Thank you for contacting Audible.com. I apologize for the delay in this response. At this moment, we are reworking the Library program, to insure a low cost means of getting downloadable book files to Libraries. Due to this, we are not creating new Library accounts (public and school). The estimated time right now is between 3-6 months for the new program to be available. Do you wish to be put on a list to be contacted when this is ready? If you do, please respond back to this email message with the name of the Library, plus a contact number if you would prefer a phone call notification. If you have any other questions, please respond back to this email message or you can call me directly using 1-888-890-4070, x2831. I am normally here between 12-9PM EST M-F. Thank you for contacting Audible and have a great day! If you need further assistance, please respond to this email. For additional questions, feel free to use "Find An Answer" at our online Helpcenter ( http://audible.custhelp.com ), or contact us directly by phone during our regular business hours: Account/Billing Support: Email or Phone available 24x7 Technical Support: Mon-Fri 9AM to 10PM EST Sat & Sun 10AM to 6PM EST 888-283-5051 Sincerely, Victor Audible Customer Support - Team Lead _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Thu Feb 8 15:34:33 2007 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:35:35 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With SecurtyAdvisories? Message-ID: I think this will vary based on responsibilities. I have a SUN server and receive weekly updates from SUN Microsystems on vulnerability fixes and look for the patches that apply to my environment. Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:08 AM To: Blake Carver; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Speaking Of Phishing... Keeping Up With SecurtyAdvisories? At 06:43 AM 2/8/2007, Blake Carver wrote: >Speaking Of Phishing... The thread on phishing exploits reminds me how >important security is. > >How does everyone keep up on the latest security happenings around the web? I don't thinik everyone can, or *should* try to keep up with all of the security lists. I was a unix systems administrator for 15 years and did keep up with them when that was part of my responsibility. As a java programmer/systems analyst/technology strategist I have to be aware of general security implications for systems I develop/design but if I spent much time following all of the lists you suggest I wouldn't have time to do my *real* job. We have a systems administrator whose responsibility it is to follow security happenings and he does a good job of keeping abreast of issues that could impact the systems that our programmer/analysts develop. >I've found the best way for me is subscribing to all the common >announcement lists for things like Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, along >with a few feeds in my feed reader: Latest Secunia Security Advisories, >SecurityFocus Vulnerabilities, The SANS Internet Storm Center, FrSIRT - >Vulnerabilities and Cyber Threats, The honeyblog. > >I'm always looking for other sources of security news, new exploits, >trends and such, what am I missing? > >-------------- >Blake Carver >LISHost.org >Web Hosting For Librarians >http://www.lishost.org >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From clmcgeeh at co.douglas.or.us Thu Feb 8 17:07:49 2007 From: clmcgeeh at co.douglas.or.us (Carol McGeehon) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:07:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard Message-ID: We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, etc. Any help will be appreciated. Carol McGeehon Technical Support Manager Douglas County Library System 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd Roseburg, OR 97470 541-440-6005 When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. From maurice.york at emory.edu Thu Feb 8 17:09:33 2007 From: maurice.york at emory.edu (Maurice York) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:09:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <45CB04BE02000010000BFE8E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> References: <20070208035314.E0FA210964@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <45CB04BE02000010000BFE8E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> Message-ID: <3c95db40702081409w145bab7fr7e18b7b82e385032@mail.gmail.com> As an old circulation and reserves hand, I've gotten wary of keeping anything personal that belongs to students (keys, ids, sweaters, coffee mugs, earrings, etc, etc...I once heard of a reserves desk that asked students to leave $75 in cash in a sealed envelope in exchange for checking out high-value items). The risks and headaches that there will be something valuable stored on the card, that an emergency will happen and they won't have their keys, that one student will put something in an odd drawer and the next staff member won't be able to find it, etc, get a bit overwhelming (in a former reserves life, I instituted a "trade-for-materials" policy and learned all of this the hard way). For straight circulation of laptops, in my book, nothing beats using the goold old-fashioned ILS to check the stuff out and fine students the full price of the laptop if it doesn't return (we charge a round $1500 here, which also gets them their library privileges blocked as a bonus, and we bursar the bill, so mom and dad get an unpleasant shock to boot). Students, of course, need a university or photo ID in order to check out anything in the first place, so ID verification is built in. As far as I know, we haven't had a single lost or stolen laptop since we started the lending program, nigh on these four or five years. -Maurice -- ************************************ Maurice York Team Leader, Circulation and E-Learning Services Woodruff Library Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mcyork@emory.edu On 2/8/07, Bret Parker wrote: > > I know someone eluded to knowing the students personally. That works > well in a small environment. > > Policies that work in a larger community would need to stretch beyond > the keys to two or three points of verification. > > In a former life at a Public Library in California: > 1. Take keys or photo ID (DL) at the reference desk in exchange for > patron use of Mitchell's or Chilton's manuals. > 2. Library closes. > 3. Reference staff locks up. Oops! Here is a set of unclaimed keys > in the drawer (and once in a while a DL). > 4. Next day: confirmed the auto repair manual was not returned, it > never does get returned. > > Lesson learned: > After a policy is in place, people who want to steal and see a low > hurdle security system can and do steal. In this case, anonimity (which > is much more possible in a larger community) presented a clear > opportunity for getting away with theft. > > Better solution: > Take the ID or car or room keys and provide pointers to staff to > verify that these are not fakes (e.g. if all dorm keys look alike, > provide a photo of this). Write that into the procedure. But also > record the transaction (either in the ILS, another computer systems, or > a paper-based system -- whatever works). > > >>> "K.G. Schneider" 2/7/2007 7:52:40 PM >>> > > Why not take their ID or even car/room keys? If they want to use a > > laptop they will comply wit the request. We require students to > leave > > their ID card with us when they borrow course reserve materials. If > we > > ever decide to have a formal program to loan out our laptops we would > go > > the same route. Our laptops are now used mostly for instruction. > > Clearly labeling them is a must. > > > > Bill Drew > > drewwe@morrisville.edu > > Bill, you bring up an interesting point about consistency across > policies. > We'll look into that as well. Thanks! > > K.G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From dplumer at tsl.state.tx.us Thu Feb 8 17:19:38 2007 From: dplumer at tsl.state.tx.us (Danielle Plumer) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:19:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard Message-ID: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E0410C8B3@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us> First, let me say, yuck! I'm an EMT with a volunteer first responder organization. Our protocol for disinfecting equipment (while wearing gloves and preferably goggles), is to spray the equipment thoroughly with a germicidal disinfectant, then wipe it down with paper towels. Spray the equipment a second time, and then let it air dry. Depending on the design of the keyboard, this will be next to impossible -- you may have to remove the keys. Make sure all the devices are unplugged first! I don't know how a flat-panel monitor will react to the disinfectant. We use a couple of brands, such as Biozide and Metrex Kleenaseptic, and they're pretty strong. Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) dplumer@tsl.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Carol McGeehon Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, etc. Any help will be appreciated. Carol McGeehon Technical Support Manager Douglas County Library System 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd Roseburg, OR 97470 541-440-6005 When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org Thu Feb 8 17:22:51 2007 From: rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org (Robin) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:22:56 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard In-Reply-To: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E0410C8B3@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us> References: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E0410C8B3@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us> Message-ID: Cheaper and easier, in my opinion, to (properly) dispose of the keyboard and replace it. You'll never get at all possible hiding places for bacteria. The monitor will probably be fine after wiping down as Ms. Plumer suggests. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Plumer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:20 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard First, let me say, yuck! I'm an EMT with a volunteer first responder organization. Our protocol for disinfecting equipment (while wearing gloves and preferably goggles), is to spray the equipment thoroughly with a germicidal disinfectant, then wipe it down with paper towels. Spray the equipment a second time, and then let it air dry. Depending on the design of the keyboard, this will be next to impossible -- you may have to remove the keys. Make sure all the devices are unplugged first! I don't know how a flat-panel monitor will react to the disinfectant. We use a couple of brands, such as Biozide and Metrex Kleenaseptic, and they're pretty strong. Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) dplumer@tsl.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Carol McGeehon Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, etc. Any help will be appreciated. Carol McGeehon Technical Support Manager Douglas County Library System 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd Roseburg, OR 97470 541-440-6005 When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From eadams at pvld.org Thu Feb 8 17:31:02 2007 From: eadams at pvld.org (Erik Adams) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:31:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <192562E3B7D16E4DB495E163A6AC013FC2E22B@pvles.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> "Windex with Vinegar" or various orange cleaners (the ones you see on infomercials) will disinfect and tend to be gentle enough for flat panel monitors. Good luck! Erik -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Carol McGeehon Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, etc. Any help will be appreciated. Carol McGeehon Technical Support Manager Douglas County Library System 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd Roseburg, OR 97470 541-440-6005 When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From david.rothman at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 18:08:02 2007 From: david.rothman at gmail.com (David Rothman) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:08:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] In-Reply-To: <192562E3B7D16E4DB495E163A6AC013FC2E22B@pvles.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> References: <192562E3B7D16E4DB495E163A6AC013FC2E22B@pvles.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Carol- There have been studies about keyboard disinfection (we care a lot about this in our hospital library and keep hand sanitizer and alcohol wipes near every computer along with signs encouraging users to wipe down the keyboard and mouse before using them- details here: http://davidrothman.net/2006/07/11/library-keyboards-and-public-health/). It is the view of our hospital's infection control specialists (MDs and BSNs) that alcohol wipes are the preferred method of keyboard disinfection. This article evaluates the efficacy of various keyboard disinfectants: http://www.unc.edu/depts/spice/dis/ICHE-Apr2006-p372.pdf I would recommend going with one of those shown in this study to be effective. For the sake of public health and potential liability for your organization, you just can't mess around with something you THINK will work. Sorry I can't say much about monitors. You might also try calling your local hospital's IT/IS or BioMedical Engineering department and ask them how they clean delicate hardware that has been used in hospital rooms where patients are believed to be carrying something contagious and nasty. Those folks will be absolutely expert in the disinfection of computer hardware. If you like, I'll ask those folks at the hospital where I work tomorrow morning. Best, -David On 2/8/07, Erik Adams wrote: > > "Windex with Vinegar" or various orange cleaners (the ones you see on > infomercials) will disinfect and tend to be gentle enough for flat panel > monitors. Good luck! > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Carol McGeehon > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:08 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] > > > We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which > resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and > keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? > Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? > > This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, > etc. Any help will be appreciated. > > > Carol McGeehon > Technical Support Manager > Douglas County Library System > 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd > Roseburg, OR 97470 > 541-440-6005 > > When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Feb 8 18:22:50 2007 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:23:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <3c95db40702081409w145bab7fr7e18b7b82e385032@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070208232326.135761586C@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> > For straight circulation of laptops, in my book, nothing beats using the > goold old-fashioned ILS to check the stuff out and fine students the full > price of the laptop if it doesn't return (we charge a round $1500 here, > which also gets them their library privileges blocked as a bonus, and we > bursar the bill, so mom and dad get an unpleasant shock to boot). > Students, > of course, need a university or photo ID in order to check out anything in > the first place, so ID verification is built in. As far as I know, we > haven't had a single lost or stolen laptop since we started the lending > program, nigh on these four or five years. Maurice's point here brings up something else that has been only elliptically addressed in this thread, which is so important for understanding the use of the Web in libraries (sorry, wanted to ensure the thread was relevant to our list ;> ). The issue has to do with retaining ID for laptop checkout. I can see at least 4 reasons why this is not ideal: 1. Fake IDs (thanks, Bret!) 2. ID cards with value on them (Maurice and others)-you really want to get into handling these..? 3. Print release: if the card is required for releasing print jobs, then for circ to hold the cards is a problem (several folk raised this) 4. Authentication: it's possible some libraries provide authentication for patrons with card swipes or similar access routines. It's still possible for someone to use a stolen ID to steal laptops, though with Computrace and a good relationship with the campus police established well in advance, you may be able to get them back. An interesting question that appears to have no right or wrong answer seems to be on the issue of cheap vs. rugged. Do you want laptops that are consumables (more theft-tolerant) or do you want laptops that are sturdy (more breakage-tolerant)? Another point about laptop checkout, which I'm not sure I emphasized, even though I was thinking it, and which others have alluded to, is that stuff happens. These are consumables, and some will be lost, stolen, or broken. In my book, you do have to accept some of this as the cost of doing business. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From lars at aronsson.se Thu Feb 8 23:17:38 2007 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Thu Feb 8 23:16:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Introducing the book Message-ID: This is not entirely new, but it was new to me and quite funny. It's a Norwegian TV sketch (with English subtitles) about a medieval monastery converting from scrolls to books. The monk Ansgar has just called helpdesk... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From Rob.Styles at talis.com Fri Feb 9 04:08:04 2007 From: Rob.Styles at talis.com (Rob Styles) Date: Fri Feb 9 04:08:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security References: <20070208035314.E0FA210964@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <45CB04BE02000010000BFE8E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> Message-ID: A simple and relatively inexpensive addition to the deposit mechanism (keys, ID, cash, whatever) is a record of the individual. I don't work in a library, but have seen this done other places with a Polaroid camera. A photo is taken of the borrower which is then attached to the deposit item and filed against the item being borrowed. In the event of anything going missing you have a clear ID to hand to college officials/law enforcement for investigation. Predominantly it removes the feeling of anonymity the borrower may have. rob Rob Styles Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 msn: mmmmmrob@yahoo.com irc: irc.freenode.net/mmmmmrob,isnick > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib- > bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Bret Parker > Sent: 08 February 2007 19:09 > To: Karen Schneider; web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security > > I know someone eluded to knowing the students personally. That works > well in a small environment. > > Policies that work in a larger community would need to stretch beyond > the keys to two or three points of verification. > > In a former life at a Public Library in California: > 1. Take keys or photo ID (DL) at the reference desk in exchange for > patron use of Mitchell's or Chilton's manuals. > 2. Library closes. > 3. Reference staff locks up. Oops! Here is a set of unclaimed keys > in the drawer (and once in a while a DL). > 4. Next day: confirmed the auto repair manual was not returned, it > never does get returned. > > Lesson learned: > After a policy is in place, people who want to steal and see a low > hurdle security system can and do steal. In this case, anonimity (which > is much more possible in a larger community) presented a clear > opportunity for getting away with theft. > > Better solution: > Take the ID or car or room keys and provide pointers to staff to > verify that these are not fakes (e.g. if all dorm keys look alike, > provide a photo of this). Write that into the procedure. But also > record the transaction (either in the ILS, another computer systems, or > a paper-based system -- whatever works). > > >>> "K.G. Schneider" 2/7/2007 7:52:40 PM >>> > > Why not take their ID or even car/room keys? If they want to use a > > laptop they will comply wit the request. We require students to > leave > > their ID card with us when they borrow course reserve materials. If > we > > ever decide to have a formal program to loan out our laptops we would > go > > the same route. Our laptops are now used mostly for instruction. > > Clearly labeling them is a must. > > > > Bill Drew > > drewwe@morrisville.edu > > Bill, you bring up an interesting point about consistency across > policies. > We'll look into that as well. Thanks! > > K.G. 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From caryn.anderson at simmons.edu Fri Feb 9 07:53:26 2007 From: caryn.anderson at simmons.edu (Caryn Anderson) Date: Fri Feb 9 07:53:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] "GIS Made Accessible" - FREE NEASIST Event - 6 March 2007 in Cambridge, MA Message-ID: <45CC6EC6.3040405@simmons.edu> ***** Please excuse cross-postings ***** The New England Chapter of ASIS&T Presents a *free* networking & GIS Event: "Geographic Information made accessible: Google Earth and Web Mapping tools with Lisa Sweeney and Daniel Sheehan" Tuesday, March 6th 5:45pm-8:00pm MIT, Vannevar Bush Room, 10-100, Cambridge, MA Take a virtual tour of the world, past and present, with free web mapping tools, learn about basic GIS concepts, and learn to add your own data to Google Earth.Lisa Sweeney, Head of GIS Services for the MIT Libraries, and Daniel Sheehan, GIS Specialist for the Office of Educational Innovation and Technology (OEIT) support the MIT community's GIS research and teaching through the MIT GIS Lab. Students from Simmons GSLIS will be on hand to demonstrate GIS applications before and after the presentation. Refreshments will be served. SCHEDULE: * 5:45 - 6:30 Reception and demonstration of GIS projects by students from Simmons GSLIS * 6:30- 7:30 Presentation about web mapping tools and Google Earth by Lisa Sweeney and Daniel Sheehan * 7:30-8:00 Demonstration of GIS projects by students from Simmons GSLIS REGISTRATION: * Limited to 75 participants. Registration is required, although there is no registration fee. * Registrations will be processed on a first come, first served basis. Online registration is required. Register now: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20070306.html Campus Map, Driving Directions, Parking Info: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20070306-directions.html For more infomation about NEASIS&T: http://www.neasist.org To find out about NEASIS&T Events Via RSS: http://www.neasist.org/events/ Questions: Contact Christine Quirion cquirion[at]mit.edu Caryn Anderson Program Coordinator PhD/Managerial Leadership in the Information Professions GSLIS, Simmons College 300 The Fenway, P-204E Boston, MA 02115 caryn.anderson@simmons.edu 617.521.2829 http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/phdmlip From david.rothman at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 08:20:15 2007 From: david.rothman at gmail.com (David Rothman) Date: Fri Feb 9 08:20:25 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] In-Reply-To: References: <192562E3B7D16E4DB495E163A6AC013FC2E22B@pvles.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Follow-up: I just checked with our hospital's BioMedical Engineering Department and our Head of Infection Control. They both said (without hesitation) that any keyboard exposed to bodily fluids would be "red bagged" (disposed of it as a potential biohazard). BioMed noted that the cost in human time of properly taking apart and disinfecting the thing would be significantly greater than replacing it. Said one BioMed technician, "Dude: Seven bucks. Toss it." They hadn't encountered this challenge with a flatscreen monitor, and had no advice to offer other than to test out your disinfectant in a tiny corner to see if it damaged the screen before wiping down the whole thing or to contact the manufacturer for cleaning advice. Best, -David David Rothman Community General Hospital Medical Library Syracuse, NY http://davidrothman.net On 2/8/07, David Rothman wrote: > > Carol- > > There have been studies about keyboard disinfection (we care a lot about > this in our hospital library and keep hand sanitizer and alcohol wipes near > every computer along with signs encouraging users to wipe down the keyboard > and mouse before using them- details here: > http://davidrothman.net/2006/07/11/library-keyboards-and-public-health/). > > It is the view of our hospital's infection control specialists (MDs and > BSNs) that alcohol wipes are the preferred method of keyboard disinfection. > > This article evaluates the efficacy of various keyboard disinfectants: > http://www.unc.edu/depts/spice/dis/ICHE-Apr2006-p372.pdf > > I would recommend going with one of those shown in this study to be > effective. For the sake of public health and potential liability for your > organization, you just can't mess around with something you THINK will work. > > > Sorry I can't say much about monitors. > > You might also try calling your local hospital's IT/IS or BioMedical > Engineering department and ask them how they clean delicate hardware that > has been used in hospital rooms where patients are believed to be carrying > something contagious and nasty. Those folks will be absolutely expert in > the disinfection of computer hardware. > > If you like, I'll ask those folks at the hospital where I work tomorrow > morning. > > Best, > > -David > > > On 2/8/07, Erik Adams wrote: > > > > "Windex with Vinegar" or various orange cleaners (the ones you see on > > infomercials) will disinfect and tend to be gentle enough for flat panel > > monitors. Good luck! > > > > Erik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Carol McGeehon > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:08 PM > > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: [Web4lib] Disinfecting monitor and keyboard[Scanned] > > > > > > We've had a person at one of our public computers have a seizure which > > resulted in body fluids (possibly blood) on the monitor cover and > > keyboard. Does anyone know of a good way to disinfect this equipment? > > Also, how would one disinfect a flat panel monitor? > > > > This happened to us today and we are looking for information, resources, > > etc. Any help will be appreciated. > > > > > > Carol McGeehon > > Technical Support Manager > > Douglas County Library System > > 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd > > Roseburg, OR 97470 > > 541-440-6005 > > > > When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > From gbortel at secstate.wa.gov Fri Feb 9 12:12:24 2007 From: gbortel at secstate.wa.gov (Bortel, Gary) Date: Fri Feb 9 12:16:26 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Digital Repository Librarian - Washington State Library, Tumwater, WA Message-ID: If you are looking to lead the development of a new digital repository serving the needs of small communities across Washington State, are creative, like to take risks and want to work in a situation full of opportunity and excitement... The Office of the Secretary of State, Washington State Library is recruiting for a full-time project Library and Archives Professional 3 (an in-training appointment is possible). This is a direct employment opportunity and the recruitment announcement may be viewed at: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/office/employment.aspx; choose Digital Repository Librarian (07 LAP3 PA014 SL)). Please share this announcement with anyone who may be interested. gcb ============================================== Gary C. Bortel Washington State Library, Office of the Secretary of State P.O. Box 42460 Olympia, WA 98504-2460 360.570.5588 360.586.7575 FAX gbortel@secstate.wa.gov From sigridkelsey at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 12:22:50 2007 From: sigridkelsey at gmail.com (Sigrid Kelsey) Date: Fri Feb 9 12:22:55 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web design and Seizures (was Disinfecting monitor and keyboard) Message-ID: ... bad web design can trigger seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy. Here is a good article about it: http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/photo_web.html From caryn.anderson at simmons.edu Fri Feb 9 07:53:26 2007 From: caryn.anderson at simmons.edu (Caryn Anderson) Date: Fri Feb 9 12:32:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] [XML4Lib] "GIS Made Accessible" - FREE NEASIST Event - 6 March 2007 in Cambridge, MA Message-ID: <45CC6EC6.3040405@simmons.edu> ***** Please excuse cross-postings ***** The New England Chapter of ASIS&T Presents a *free* networking & GIS Event: "Geographic Information made accessible: Google Earth and Web Mapping tools with Lisa Sweeney and Daniel Sheehan" Tuesday, March 6th 5:45pm-8:00pm MIT, Vannevar Bush Room, 10-100, Cambridge, MA Take a virtual tour of the world, past and present, with free web mapping tools, learn about basic GIS concepts, and learn to add your own data to Google Earth.Lisa Sweeney, Head of GIS Services for the MIT Libraries, and Daniel Sheehan, GIS Specialist for the Office of Educational Innovation and Technology (OEIT) support the MIT community's GIS research and teaching through the MIT GIS Lab. Students from Simmons GSLIS will be on hand to demonstrate GIS applications before and after the presentation. Refreshments will be served. SCHEDULE: * 5:45 - 6:30 Reception and demonstration of GIS projects by students from Simmons GSLIS * 6:30- 7:30 Presentation about web mapping tools and Google Earth by Lisa Sweeney and Daniel Sheehan * 7:30-8:00 Demonstration of GIS projects by students from Simmons GSLIS REGISTRATION: * Limited to 75 participants. Registration is required, although there is no registration fee. * Registrations will be processed on a first come, first served basis. Online registration is required. Register now: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20070306.html Campus Map, Driving Directions, Parking Info: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20070306-directions.html For more infomation about NEASIS&T: http://www.neasist.org To find out about NEASIS&T Events Via RSS: http://www.neasist.org/events/ Questions: Contact Christine Quirion cquirion[at]mit.edu Caryn Anderson Program Coordinator PhD/Managerial Leadership in the Information Professions GSLIS, Simmons College 300 The Fenway, P-204E Boston, MA 02115 caryn.anderson@simmons.edu 617.521.2829 http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/phdmlip _______________________________________________ XML4Lib mailing list XML4Lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/xml4lib From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Feb 9 14:06:00 2007 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Fri Feb 9 14:06:05 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web design and Seizures (was Disinfecting monitor and keyboard) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CCC618.3040903@ohiolink.edu> On 2/9/2007 12:22 PM, Sigrid Kelsey wrote: > ... bad web design can trigger seizures in people with photosensitive > epilepsy. And of course, if you've halfway paid attention to the appropriate web accessibility standards, this is a non-issue for your site. (None of which suggests that a flickering display caused the seizure in this case.) -- Thoms Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu Fri Feb 9 14:31:23 2007 From: Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu (Elena OMalley) Date: Fri Feb 9 14:31:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security Message-ID: <20EBF4F2D8307E4EAF71464CBE0055940122BD95@HAIL.emerson.edu> We don't let the laptops leave the library. We check them out as a reserve item, two hours at a time. Patrons sign a "I understand I may be charged if damaged" form every time they get check one out. We do have a book security strip hidden in each laptop, so the security gate would sound its obnoxious alarm if someone did try to leave the library with the laptop. We label laptops in big, horrible handwriting, and they tend to have parts held on with book tape or duct tape, so they're not exactly attractive. We lock the BIOS, use security software, etc. If all workers have to leave the checkout area, the shelf that the laptops are stored in is locked. With the next set of laptops I get, I'm considering getting laptop locks that we could circulate as a separate item, so the patrons could secure laptops to tables if they needed to leave them unattended to use the restrooms. We've never had a library laptop stolen. I don't even remember any incidents of someone trying. Other equipment, but not the laptops. Elena O'Malley, Head of Library Computer and Internet Services Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 From eb at cals.lib.ar.us Fri Feb 9 15:01:56 2007 From: eb at cals.lib.ar.us (Ellen Bard) Date: Fri Feb 9 15:02:01 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Position announcement: Web Services Librarian Message-ID: Web Services Librarian The Central Arkansas Library System (CALS) in Little Rock is seeking a motivated, enthusiastic, creative librarian to take its web presence from good to better to among the best. This is a new position with an expanding library system in a growing urban area. We have twelve locations, over 200,000 cardholders, and circulated over 1.7 million items in 2006. In simple terms, the Web Services Librarian will have ultimate responsibility for the appearance, content, and functionality of CALS' web site. The design of the home page, the usability of the public events calendar, the ease of navigation throughout the site, the ready access to available databases-all of this and more will be entrusted to your care. Think "extreme makeover" for our web site. In more technical terms, the Web Services Librarian will be responsible for writing, creating, repackaging, and managing locally relevant online content; and analyzing library and community information needs to plan for short and long-term site development. As a member of the Web Content Team, the position reports to the Associate Director for Institutional Services and works with teammates, library colleagues, patrons, and community partners to provide access to ideas, information, experiences, and materials that support and enrich people's lives. Required: MLS degree from an ALA-accredited school; broad experience in web page design; familiarity with emerging library-related technology; knowledge of Dreamweaver, SQL Server, and Photoshop; impeccable writing and grammar skills, and a natural knack for knowing How People Use Things. Preferred: English, Journalism, or related degree. Spanish language ability a definite plus. We value flexibility, team orientation, an open attitude, and a sense of humor, and we offer the same. Salary from $40,000, includes excellent benefits. Please send resume to: Jennifer Chilcoat (ph. (501)918-3031, chilcoat@cals.org), Central Arkansas Library System, 100 Rock St., Little Rock, AR 72201 by March 1, 2007. From sberndt at ivytech.edu Fri Feb 9 15:28:38 2007 From: sberndt at ivytech.edu (Sarah Berndt) Date: Fri Feb 9 15:28:47 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop Lease Programs Message-ID: <45CCD976.7020103@ivytech.edu> The recent postings about laptop security have been more than helpful! Does anyone have suggestions for a small (<10,000 FTE) Community College Library interested in leasing laptops? Thanks! Sarah Berndt From ecraig at cnr.edu Fri Feb 9 15:37:00 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Fri Feb 9 15:37:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Web 2.0 ... The Machine is Us/ing Us Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72411@adams.cnr.edu> Some of you may have already come across this video on Web 2.0 from Michael Wesch, an anthropology professor at Kansas State, but if not, it is definitely worth watching. The link showed up on Seth Godin's blog last week and has been getting enough views on YouTube. As others point out, it touches on many library 2.0 issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE&eurl Have a good weekend all, -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: Frye Institute Discussion List [mailto:frye@LISTSERV.FRYEINSTITUTE.ORG] On Behalf Of Helen Chu Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:04 PM To: frye@LISTSERV.FRYEINSTITUTE.ORG Subject: [FRYE] Video: Web 2.0 ideas and how content and its organization is is changing Hi Frye Friends, Our Library Web Developer and Strategist shared this video about Web 2.0. It's really quite well thought out and well done. Helen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Helen Y. Chu Director, Library Information Technology hychu@calpoly.edu 805-756-7053 http://www.lib.calpoly.edu -----Original Message----- From: Marya Figueroa [mailto:mmfiguer@calpoly.edu] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Video: Web 2.0 ideas and how content and its organization is is changing Hi all, I think many of you would enjoy this youtube video created by a professor in Kansas about ideas, content, distribution, display, and interaction. I found the link through Seth Godin's blog and Godin makes the point that in an environment of publish or perish where publishing becomes free (online), "a professor can boil down complex topics to vivid video." He then asks, "why aren't tens of thousands of professors scrambling to do this?" Regardless of that observation and question, I think you will really enjoy this video which touches on Web/Library 2.0 issues as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE&eurl Cheers, Marya From micah at raincross-tech.com Fri Feb 9 16:29:46 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Fri Feb 9 16:28:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Web 2.0 ... The Machine is Us/ing Us In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72411@adams.cnr.edu> References: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72411@adams.cnr.edu> Message-ID: <45CCE7CA.6020909@raincross-tech.com> Great video, I have a few issues with the term Web 2.0, as the things he talks about in the video have affected the web since the beginning, but I'm glad to see that it's being addressed that our concepts may need to change rather than changing the web to fit our (possibly) outdated concepts. -Micah On 02/09/2007 12:37 PM, Craig, Emory wrote: > Some of you may have already come across this video on Web 2.0 from > Michael Wesch, an anthropology professor at Kansas State, but if not, it > is definitely worth watching. The link showed up on Seth Godin's blog > last week and has been getting enough views on YouTube. As others point > out, it touches on many library 2.0 issues. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE&eurl > > Have a good weekend all, > > -e > > Emory Craig > Director of Academic Computing > The College of New Rochelle > 914-654-5536 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frye Institute Discussion List > [mailto:frye@LISTSERV.FRYEINSTITUTE.ORG] On Behalf Of Helen Chu > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:04 PM > To: frye@LISTSERV.FRYEINSTITUTE.ORG > Subject: [FRYE] Video: Web 2.0 ideas and how content and its > organization is is changing > > Hi Frye Friends, > > Our Library Web Developer and Strategist shared this video about Web > 2.0. It's really quite well thought out and well done. > > Helen > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Helen Y. Chu > Director, Library Information Technology > hychu@calpoly.edu > 805-756-7053 > http://www.lib.calpoly.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marya Figueroa [mailto:mmfiguer@calpoly.edu] > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:15 AM > Subject: Video: Web 2.0 ideas and how content and its organization is is > changing > > Hi all, > > I think many of you would enjoy this youtube video created by a > professor in Kansas about ideas, content, distribution, display, and > interaction. I found the link through Seth Godin's blog and Godin makes > the point that in an environment of publish or perish where publishing > becomes free (online), "a professor can boil down complex topics to > vivid video." He then asks, "why aren't tens of thousands of professors > scrambling to do this?" > > Regardless of that observation and question, I think you will really > enjoy this video which touches on Web/Library 2.0 issues as well. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE&eurl > > Cheers, > > Marya > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From denials at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 19:25:22 2007 From: denials at gmail.com (Dan Scott) Date: Fri Feb 9 19:25:28 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop checkout security In-Reply-To: <20EBF4F2D8307E4EAF71464CBE0055940122BD95@HAIL.emerson.edu> References: <20EBF4F2D8307E4EAF71464CBE0055940122BD95@HAIL.emerson.edu> Message-ID: First, Web4Lib seems like a strange place to ask for advice on loaning laptops! But anyways... We started our laptop loan program in January of this year, and based most of our policy decisions on a sampling of laptop loan policies that are available online (http://www.liswiki.com/wiki/Laptop_check-out is a great starting point) and some advice from the SYSLIB-L mailing list (thread starting at http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0612&L=syslib-l&T=0&P=2879) Like Elena, we use a 4-hour in-the-library-only reserve policy and treat it as a normal ILS transaction, with the requirement of signing additional "I will be charged for damage or loss of this item." paper form for each transaction -- even though a laptop really is just an expensive variation of any other item that we offer for loan. To avoid the swapping / removal of valuable parts (like pulling out one stick of RAM), we put foil stickers over every removable piece. The foil stickers are supposed to be impossible to remove without tearing, so our circ staff just have to count the 6 shiny stickers every time the laptop is returned to be reasonably sure that no problem has occurred. We tried inserting security strips in the laptops, but found that our security gate only detected them 10% of the time -- apparently the proximity of so much electronic equipment throws off the detector. Again, though, given that the borrower is responsible for the full value of the item we're not too concerned about theft. I suppose staff could arrange for a bogus checkout to a friend using stolen ID -- but if that happens then we've got bigger problems to deal with. So far the program is quite popular, we've received plenty of positive comments from patrons, and we would definitely expand the program to offer more laptops (possibly for more hours and for use outside of the library) if funds become available. Dan On 09/02/07, Elena OMalley wrote: > We don't let the laptops leave the library. We check them out as a > reserve item, two hours at a time. Patrons sign a "I understand I may be > charged if damaged" form every time they get check one out. We do have a > book security strip hidden in each laptop, so the security gate would > sound its obnoxious alarm if someone did try to leave the library with > the laptop. We label laptops in big, horrible handwriting, and they tend > to have parts held on with book tape or duct tape, so they're not > exactly attractive. We lock the BIOS, use security software, etc. If all > workers have to leave the checkout area, the shelf that the laptops are > stored in is locked. > > With the next set of laptops I get, I'm considering getting laptop locks > that we could circulate as a separate item, so the patrons could secure > laptops to tables if they needed to leave them unattended to use the > restrooms. > > We've never had a library laptop stolen. I don't even remember any > incidents of someone trying. Other equipment, but not the laptops. > > Elena O'Malley, Head of Library Computer and Internet Services > Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From leo at leoklein.com Fri Feb 9 20:46:42 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Fri Feb 9 20:53:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Web 2.0 ... The Machine is Us/ing Us In-Reply-To: <45CCE7CA.6020909@raincross-tech.com> References: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72411@adams.cnr.edu> <45CCE7CA.6020909@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <45CD2402.2030203@leoklein.com> Micah Stevens wrote: > Great video, I have a few issues with the term Web 2.0, as the things he > talks about in the video have affected the web since the beginning, but > I'm glad to see that it's being addressed that our concepts may need to > change rather than changing the web to fit our (possibly) outdated > concepts. > On 02/09/2007 12:37 PM, Craig, Emory wrote: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE&eurl By default, I always get nervous when I hear expressions like the "machine is us and we're the machine" but I thought the clip was highly effective in showing how fungible our data now is. LEO -- ------------------- www.leoklein.com (site) www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' -- ------------------------------- From mallerym at mail.montclair.edu Sat Feb 10 12:03:11 2007 From: mallerym at mail.montclair.edu (Mary A. Mallery) Date: Sat Feb 10 12:09:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Nine Questions on Technology Innovation in Academic Libraries Message-ID: <2f7d392f0cb9.2f0cb92f7d39@montclair.edu> Apologies for Cross-Posting! *** You are invited to answer nine questions on Technology Innovation in Academic Libraries to inform the ACRL 2007 Conference panel session on that subject to be held on Saturday, March 31st, in Baltimore, Maryland. Please complete the online survey at: https://surveys.montclair.edu/survey/entry.jsp?id=1170955344511 The questions were prepared by the members of the ACRL 2007 Conference panel session on Technology Innovation in Academic Libraries: 1) Nancy Davenport, Library Consultant, former President, CLIR (Council on Library and Information Resources), and ALA President Candidate; 2) Eric Schnell, Associate Professor and Head of Information Technology, Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State University, national speaker on open source software for libraries and host of the "Medium is the Message" blog at http://ericschnell.blogspot.com/ ; 3) James Robertson, Web Coordinator, New Jersey Institute for Technology, winner of the ACRL-NJ Chapter 2005 Technology Innovation Award and participant in the national Frye Leadership Institute 2006; and 4) Mary Mallery (Moderator), Associate Dean for Technical Services, Montclair State University, and Chair, ACRL-NJ Chapter Technology Committee. Please answer the questions today. The survey will close on Saturday, Feb. 24th, and we will report on your answers at the ACRL 2007 Conference panel session on Saturday, March 31st. We hope to see you there! ****************************************** * Mary Mallery, Ph.D. * Assoc. Dean for Technical Services * Harry A. Sprague Library * Montclair State University * Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 * Phone: 973-655-7150 * Fax: 973-655-7780 * E-mail: mallerym@mail.montclair.edu ****************************************** From bonariabiancu at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 17:52:04 2007 From: bonariabiancu at gmail.com (Bonaria Biancu) Date: Sat Feb 10 17:52:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] L2 oh yahoo pipes Message-ID: Dear friends, may be some of you have come across Pipes : it's a tool created by Yahoo for editing mash-ups in a simple and immediate manner, without needing to know any web language (like ajax or so). I've worked on it some minutes and I've created "library 2.0" < http://pipes.yahoo.com/people/v8IDqTUxp22_jmQsMmLnfLxs0jZMHg-->, a mash-up that - fetches tag "library 2.0" from data (=feeds) of Flickr, Technorati, Del.icio.us and LibWorm and - searches (via Yahoo) the term "library 2.0" on my blog. Join it, clone it and, if you like, help me to improve it! Cheers, Bonaria Bonaria Biancu http://bonariabiancu.wordpress.com/ From bonariabiancu at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 18:15:41 2007 From: bonariabiancu at gmail.com (Bonaria Biancu) Date: Sat Feb 10 18:15:52 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] L2 oh yahoo pipes In-Reply-To: <45CE4FB2.3050305@raincross-tech.com> References: <45CE4FB2.3050305@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: a technique based on language(s) ;-) 2007/2/11, Micah Stevens : > > Just a clarification: Ajax is a technique, not a language. > > :) > -Micah > > On 02/10/2007 02:52 PM, Bonaria Biancu wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > may be some of you have come across Pipes : > > it's a > > tool created by Yahoo for editing mash-ups in a simple and immediate > > manner, > > without needing to know any web language (like ajax or so). I've > > worked on > > it some minutes and I've created "library 2.0" < > > http://pipes.yahoo.com/people/v8IDqTUxp22_jmQsMmLnfLxs0jZMHg-->, a > > mash-up > > that > > > > - fetches tag "library 2.0" from data (=feeds) of Flickr, Technorati, > > Del.icio.us and LibWorm and > > - searches (via Yahoo) the term "library 2.0" on my blog. > > > > Join it, clone it and, if you like, help me to improve it! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bonaria > > > > Bonaria Biancu > > http://bonariabiancu.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From david.rothman at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 19:26:06 2007 From: david.rothman at gmail.com (David Rothman) Date: Sat Feb 10 19:26:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] L2 oh yahoo pipes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bonaria- That's a great idea for an application of Pipes' set of features! Building on that idea, I've made a variation on it. http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/Ooj1ZV_52xGC1fJK0kqv4w Feed: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/Ooj1ZV_52xGC1fJK0kqv4w/run?_render=rss This version has some additional sources. I noticed the filtering for uniqueness by URL limited the output to only seven results, so I filtered instead by link and description instead. I removed the union and the site-specific yahoo search because that content is already indexed by three other sources in the Fetch module. I also removed the Content Analysis module because its output wasn't being utilized. Lastly, I put the sorting module at the end. My biggest complaint about Pipes is that it is very fussy about feed URLs. Some more complex search-generated feed from LibWorm give Pipes indigestion, but many can be massaged into working. Best, -David http://davidrothman.net http://www.libworm.com On 2/10/07, Bonaria Biancu wrote: > > Dear friends, > > may be some of you have come across Pipes : it's > a > tool created by Yahoo for editing mash-ups in a simple and immediate > manner, > without needing to know any web language (like ajax or so). I've worked on > it some minutes and I've created "library 2.0" < > http://pipes.yahoo.com/people/v8IDqTUxp22_jmQsMmLnfLxs0jZMHg-->, a mash-up > that > > - fetches tag "library 2.0" from data (=feeds) of Flickr, Technorati, > Del.icio.us and LibWorm and > - searches (via Yahoo) the term "library 2.0" on my blog. > > Join it, clone it and, if you like, help me to improve it! > > Cheers, > > Bonaria > > Bonaria Biancu > http://bonariabiancu.wordpress.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From Rachel.Vacek at owen.vanderbilt.edu Sun Feb 11 01:03:53 2007 From: Rachel.Vacek at owen.vanderbilt.edu (Rachel Vacek) Date: Sun Feb 11 01:04:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice and help with Drupal? In-Reply-To: <45CA3D7C.40709@sfu.ca> References: <45CA3AA3.4040508@nso.edu> <45CA3D7C.40709@sfu.ca> Message-ID: <192A9BD205434B44BDE7391094CA7CDE044FCAF4@Hermes.owen.edu> There is going to be a session at ALA Annual that may be of interest: Building the next generation public library web site with Drupal Speakers: John Blyberg, Ann Arbor District Library In 2005, Ann Arbor District Library unveiled it's "3.0" website. It's use of blogs, interactive commenting, and other "Web 2.0" functionality has earned it considerable national attention. The software behind the site is the open-source Drupal CMS. John Blyberg will discuss AADL's decision to use Drupal and will show how Drupal can be both a powerful CMS and agile development tool, and will address the benefits of open-source projects by illustrating its impact on AADL's development program. Sunday, June 24th, 10:30 am - Noon (room location unknown at this time) If you have questions about this upcoming program, please direct them to John Rutherford, Purdy Kresge Library, Wayne State University (aw8721@wayne.edu). He's the chair of the LITA Open Source Systems Interest Group who is sponsoring this program. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mark Jordan Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:59 PM To: Ruth Kneale Cc: Systems Librarianship; Web4Lib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Advice and help with Drupal? Hi Ruth, You may want to check out http://drupalib.interoperating.info/, where a number of people who do use drupal for a variety of library-related purposes may be able to respond to specific questions. That said, the greatest general resource for problem solving with drupal is the forums at http://drupal.org/ . Mark Ruth Kneale wrote: > Hi, all - apologies for cross-posting. > > Is anyone out there *using* Drupal? If so, would you mind contacting > me off-list? I could really use some communication with someone else > who's using it; I don't know if the issues I'm running into are of my > own making, or actual limitations in the product. > > Many thanks, > Ruth > -- Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Phone (604) 291 5753 / Fax (604) 291 3023 mjordan@sfu.ca / http://www.sfu.ca/~mjordan/ Don't miss the First International PKP Scholarly Publishing Conference July 11 - 13, 2007, Vancouver, BC, Canada http://ocs.sfu.ca/pkp2007/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bonariabiancu at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 05:21:13 2007 From: bonariabiancu at gmail.com (Bonaria Biancu) Date: Sun Feb 11 05:21:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] L2 oh yahoo pipes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Errors on Pipes page: Yahoo is still building it up (the service is in beta), and sometimes you can get errors that are only due to Pipes' problems. I don't know if there are also incompatibilities with browsers: I use Firefox 2.0.0.1 (on Windows XP), too, and have no problems... Library 2.0_DR: in fact I can get the pipe by clicking on the url but, if I search in Pipes' search engine for "library" or "Library 2.0_DR", it doesn't give me your pipe among results... ---------------------------------------- My Pipe: I set up the former "Library 2.0" as an example and, testing the various features, I made some experiments: that's why I included Yahoo-searching on my blog. I think this option can be useful if you want to catch data that don't result in feeds - for example I could use it for searching "opac 2.0" on my blog, as I don't have in it any "opac 2.0" category (or tag)... Instead, the number of feeds (= filtering for uniqueness by URL) was an intentional way to not to have a big number from results as I didn't found any way to determine the number of output feeds... Do you have an idea to get it? ---------------------------------------- Also interesting the pipe "Cultural Exhibitionism" that merges LibraryThing recent books feed, last.fm recent tracks feed, and Netflix recent rental activity feed. 2007/2/11, David Rothman : > Hi Bonaria- > > That's a great idea for an application of Pipes' set of features! Building on that idea, I've made a variation on it. > > http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/Ooj1ZV_52xGC1fJK0kqv4w > Feed: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/Ooj1ZV_52xGC1fJK0kqv4w/run?_render=rss > > This version has some additional sources. I noticed the filtering for uniqueness by URL limited the output to only seven results, so I filtered instead by link and description instead. I removed the union and the site-specific yahoo search because that content is already indexed by three other sources in the Fetch module. I also removed the Content Analysis module because its output wasn't being utilized. Lastly, I put the sorting module at the end. > > My biggest complaint about Pipes is that it is very fussy about feed URLs. Some more complex search-generated feed from LibWorm give Pipes indigestion, but many can be massaged into working. > > Best, > > -David > > http://davidrothman.net > http://www.libworm.com > > > On 2/10/07, Bonaria Biancu wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > may be some of you have come across Pipes : it's a > > tool created by Yahoo for editing mash-ups in a simple and immediate manner, > > without needing to know any web language (like ajax or so). I've worked on > > it some minutes and I've created "library 2.0" < > > http://pipes.yahoo.com/people/v8IDqTUxp22_jmQsMmLnfLxs0jZMHg-->, a mash-up > > that > > > > - fetches tag "library 2.0" from data (=feeds) of Flickr, Technorati, > > Del.icio.us and LibWorm and > > - searches (via Yahoo) the term "library 2.0" on my blog. > > > > Join it, clone it and, if you like, help me to improve it! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bonaria > > > > Bonaria Biancu > > http://bonariabiancu.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > From bonariabiancu at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 06:32:57 2007 From: bonariabiancu at gmail.com (Bonaria Biancu) Date: Sun Feb 11 06:33:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] L2 oh yahoo pipes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2007/2/11, Bonaria Biancu : ... > Instead, the number of feeds (= filtering for uniqueness by URL) was > an intentional way to not to have a big number from results as I > didn't found any way to determine the number of output feeds... Do you > have an idea to get it? May be with "truncate" operator"? Now my pipe has "unique" filter set up on "dc:creator" and "truncate" operator at the end of the pipe, just before the Output... In fact I can manage to limit number of feeds (now the value is 5)... What do you think about it? From tomkeays at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 12:14:52 2007 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Sun Feb 11 12:14:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Web - Backup Plan and Server Setup In-Reply-To: <900EDE55-E26B-4976-AF82-A660B3BD0C64@uic.edu> References: <20070207183444.2339A138321@smtp1.fsu.edu> <900EDE55-E26B-4976-AF82-A660B3BD0C64@uic.edu> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00702110914t70ebb141vd0dac73c289e8ee2@mail.gmail.com> I never saw a reply to this, but my guess is that they meant Wordpress MU, which is the multi-user version of the Wordpress blog software. http://mu.wordpress.org/ On 2/7/07, Francis Kayiwa wrote: > Curious what's WPMU -- Tom From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 12:26:09 2007 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Sun Feb 11 12:26:28 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia problems? Message-ID: <389863.72319.qm@web57111.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Interesting talk floating around in the blogosphere about possible Wikipedia cash problems. One blogger (Paul McNamara) says: "Florence Devouard, chairwoman of the Wikimedia Foundation, has touched off a tempest with her suggestion in a talk at the Lift07 conference that Wikipedia has funding for only another quarter and 'might disappear' if donations don't pick up." A Wikipedia spokesperson has since said that the statement was taken out of context and that Devouard "was attempting to showcase how, because of our global reach, Wikipedia needs to be much more creative in its fundraising efforts." The interesting point we should take from all of this is that while we tend to take Wikipedia for granted as a volunteer-based operation, it does require about $5 million a year to keep the infrastructure going (e.g., they have 350 servers). As a non-profit organization Wikipedia has to be in a fund-raising mode constantly. Here's what Paul McNamara has to say on the NetworkWorld blog: http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/11376 Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From pshapiro at his.com Sun Feb 11 12:55:28 2007 From: pshapiro at his.com (Phil Shapiro) Date: Sun Feb 11 12:56:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries Message-ID: <1171216528.45cf58909d0bb@webmail2.his.com> hi web4lib community - here in the united states we've got many television dramas about police and hospitals, but nary a television drama about situations in a public library. it's time we changed that. in this 8-minute youtube video i sketch out the structure for a possible public library drama. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze8OEtuDV9c in the spirit of the internet, this "television show" is open source. anyone may contribute plot lines to it. anyone can shoot videos of this show. this show will be distribute over the internet rather than on television (although i have no objections for it to appear on television, as well.) as a next step, this show needs a wiki where interested persons can contribute plot lines to the show. if there is someone who can assist with setting up such a wiki, that would be great. i hope the above show might be one of many "television shows" about life in libraries. anyone who has worked in libraries knows that we have as many interesting stories as those folks over in police or hospitals. and the stories in libraries have many interesting dimensions for viewers to chew on. librarians are rising up. we're taking over police and hospitals shows with arresting material, stat. phil shapiro, public geek takoma park maryland library -- Phil Shapiro pshapiro@his.com http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro http://philsrssfeed.blogspot.com http://www.his.com/pshapiro/stories.menu.html "Wisdom starts with wonder." - Socrates "Learning happens through gentleness." From gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu Sun Feb 11 13:02:21 2007 From: gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu (gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu) Date: Sun Feb 11 13:03:16 2007 Subject: Open Access Sustainability: A modest proposal. Was [Web4lib] Wikipedia problems? In-Reply-To: <389863.72319.qm@web57111.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <389863.72319.qm@web57111.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1960.68.197.29.244.1171216941.squirrel@webmail.rci.rutgers.edu> D-Lib is also having significant cashflow problems, and I believe Creative Commons also has sustainability issues. There is a lot of discussion about open access, but the fact is that the more successful an open access service becomes, the more expensive it is to maintain, particularly if it is to be authoritative enough to be useful. Open access is a really hot topic, but economic sustainability is a serious issue, amounting to crisis, for open access. I think it would be really great to see a micro-charity implementation for open access , where people could collectively discover all the major open access services and resources with sustainability issues, not just resources like Wikipedia, but services to enable open access, like Creative Commons. This clearing house would provide information about services, their specific sustainability needs, the role they play in the open access supply and distribution chain and enable visitors to make contributions to their service or resource of choice. I think there are many worthy initiatives that demonstrate the breadth of open access, but not a centralized way to discover or contribute to them. Most users take open access for granted and don't realize that the resources that might really matter to them are seriously struggling. To provide both discovery understanding of open access and enable contributions would be a great thing. Micro charity seems to be doing very well. One issue I have, when I am appealed to either individually or collectively to support an open access resource, is where might my charitable dollars be best spent to enable open access, and a centralized service could identify the ones most critically in need of funding in the open access food chain. My personal bias would be to contribute to the resources with the fewer contributors, where the need is greatest, while others might select the resource they use most heavily or that appeals to their particular open access interest. The beauty of a centralized service is all these facets impacting giving could be indexed, allowing contributors to match their particular interest with an open access service or resource's particular need. This approach is proving popular in other contexts, such as the enormous popularity of carbon trading in the UK. Why not a global directory, information resource and micro-charity application for open access? Grace Agnew Rutgers University Libraries > Interesting talk floating around in the blogosphere about possible > Wikipedia cash problems. > > One blogger (Paul McNamara) says: "Florence Devouard, chairwoman of the > Wikimedia Foundation, has touched off a tempest with her suggestion in a > talk at the Lift07 conference that Wikipedia has funding for only > another quarter and 'might disappear' if donations don't pick up." > > A Wikipedia spokesperson has since said that the statement was taken out > of context and that Devouard "was attempting to showcase how, because of > our global reach, Wikipedia needs to be much more creative in its > fundraising efforts." > > The interesting point we should take from all of this is that while we > tend to take Wikipedia for granted as a volunteer-based operation, it > does require about $5 million a year to keep the infrastructure going > (e.g., they have 350 servers). As a non-profit organization Wikipedia > has to be in a fund-raising mode constantly. > > Here's what Paul McNamara has to say on the NetworkWorld blog: > > http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/11376 > > Bernie Sloan > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 13:23:03 2007 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Sun Feb 11 13:23:36 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries In-Reply-To: <1171216528.45cf58909d0bb@webmail2.his.com> References: <1171216528.45cf58909d0bb@webmail2.his.com> Message-ID: Smile, someone close to me (my wife) also dreams of a TV show set in a library. She thinks there's enough quirkiness among patrons, and I suppose staff, to tell some stories. Once when watching a crime movie with the bad guy running through a library she said, as the chase entered the reference section: Hit him with the DSM!!! I think what inspires her notion of a library sitcom was the day she sat on the reference desk and an undergrad came up and asked how to find something. Like many libraries, Michigan State's library has carefully laid out color-coded tapes on the floor showing how to get to the right shelves. Informed to follow a certain tape the student stared at it, looked up puzzled, and said "But it ends here." Judy told her "It also begins here." Good luck with your venture, wherever it begins or ends. Consider alternate attire for your pitch video. /rich On 2/11/07, Phil Shapiro wrote: > > hi web4lib community - > > here in the united states we've got many television dramas about > police and > hospitals, but nary a television drama about situations in a public > library. > > it's time we changed that. in this 8-minute youtube video i sketch out > the > structure for a possible public library drama. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze8OEtuDV9c > > in the spirit of the internet, this "television show" is open source. > anyone may contribute plot lines to it. anyone can shoot videos of this > show. > this show will be distribute over the internet rather than on television > (although i have no objections for it to appear on television, as well.) > > as a next step, this show needs a wiki where interested persons can > contribute plot lines to the show. if there is someone who can assist > with > setting up such a wiki, that would be great. > > i hope the above show might be one of many "television shows" > about > life in libraries. anyone who has worked in libraries knows that we have > as many > interesting stories as those folks over in police or hospitals. and the > stories > in libraries have many interesting dimensions for viewers to chew on. > > librarians are rising up. we're taking over police and hospitals > shows > with arresting material, stat. > > phil shapiro, public geek > takoma park maryland library > > -- > Phil Shapiro pshapiro@his.com > http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro > http://philsrssfeed.blogspot.com > http://www.his.com/pshapiro/stories.menu.html > > "Wisdom starts with wonder." - Socrates > "Learning happens through gentleness." > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jenny.paradiso at exlibris.com.au Sun Feb 11 16:33:43 2007 From: jenny.paradiso at exlibris.com.au (Jenny Paradiso) Date: Sun Feb 11 16:33:51 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries Message-ID: It looks like the aussies are nearly there :) http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/fun-between-the-covers/2006/12/2 5/1166895234791.html "While she might not be a star in her own home, Butler's prospects beyond the domestic sphere appear much rosier. Early next year she'll start filming The Librarians, a six-part comedy produced, written by and starring her and actor-director husband Wayne Hope (The Castle, Boytown). Hope will also direct." Jenny Paradiso Support Librarian Ex Libris (Australia) Pty Ltd Tel: 61 (0) 8 8331 0887 Fax: 61 (0) 8 8331 0851 Email: jenny.paradiso@exlibris.com.au ================================================= This correspondence is for the named persons only. It may contain confidential or privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mis-transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this mail you must not disclose, copy or relay any part of this correspondence, please delete it from your system immediately and notify the sender. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with the authority, states them to be the opinions of Ex Libris. ================================================ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wiggins Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 4:53 AM To: Phil Shapiro Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries Smile, someone close to me (my wife) also dreams of a TV show set in a library. She thinks there's enough quirkiness among patrons, and I suppose staff, to tell some stories. Once when watching a crime movie with the bad guy running through a library she said, as the chase entered the reference section: Hit him with the DSM!!! I think what inspires her notion of a library sitcom was the day she sat on the reference desk and an undergrad came up and asked how to find something. Like many libraries, Michigan State's library has carefully laid out color-coded tapes on the floor showing how to get to the right shelves. Informed to follow a certain tape the student stared at it, looked up puzzled, and said "But it ends here." Judy told her "It also begins here." Good luck with your venture, wherever it begins or ends. Consider alternate attire for your pitch video. /rich On 2/11/07, Phil Shapiro wrote: > > hi web4lib community - > > here in the united states we've got many television dramas about > police and hospitals, but nary a television drama about situations in > a public library. > > it's time we changed that. in this 8-minute youtube video i sketch > out the structure for a possible public library drama. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze8OEtuDV9c > > in the spirit of the internet, this "television show" is open source. > anyone may contribute plot lines to it. anyone can shoot videos of > this show. > this show will be distribute over the internet rather than on > television (although i have no objections for it to appear on > television, as well.) > > as a next step, this show needs a wiki where interested persons > can contribute plot lines to the show. if there is someone who can > assist with setting up such a wiki, that would be great. > > i hope the above show might be one of many "television shows" > about > life in libraries. anyone who has worked in libraries knows that we > have as many interesting stories as those folks over in police or > hospitals. and the stories in libraries have many interesting > dimensions for viewers to chew on. > > librarians are rising up. we're taking over police and > hospitals shows with arresting material, stat. > > phil shapiro, public geek > takoma park maryland library > > -- > Phil Shapiro pshapiro@his.com > http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro > http://philsrssfeed.blogspot.com > http://www.his.com/pshapiro/stories.menu.html > > "Wisdom starts with wonder." - Socrates "Learning happens through > gentleness." > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mjoseph at sl.nsw.gov.au Sun Feb 11 23:52:14 2007 From: mjoseph at sl.nsw.gov.au (Mylee Joseph) Date: Sun Feb 11 23:53:05 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Message-ID: Hi all, Do you use a WIKI for your library procedures [eg. information desk procedures]? If so, what software do you use? How much staff time is involved in managing / maintaining the WIKI? If you have any suggestions for a better alternative I'd love to hear from you. many thanks, Mylee Mylee Joseph Consultant Public Library Services State Library of NSW p: 9273 1521 f: 9273 1244 e: mjoseph@sl.nsw.gov.au Dig in at Australia's most exciting research library http://www.atmitchell.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ///Please note/// This email and any attachments to it are privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete it. The contents of this email are not given or endorsed by the State Library of New South Wales unless otherwise indicated by an authorised officer of the Library. Copyright law may also apply to the contents of this email. <<<< GWAVASIG >>>> From lars at aronsson.se Mon Feb 12 03:17:20 2007 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Mon Feb 12 03:16:02 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia problems? In-Reply-To: <389863.72319.qm@web57111.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <389863.72319.qm@web57111.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: B.G. Sloan wrote: > A Wikipedia spokesperson has since said that the statement was > taken out of context and that Devouard "was attempting to The hard lesson for spokespeople of the Wikimedia Foundation is that what they say *will* be taken out of context and construed in all kinds of directions. They're not a small project any more. > The interesting point we should take from all of this is that > while we tend to take Wikipedia for granted as a > volunteer-based operation, it does require about $5 million a > year to keep the infrastructure going (e.g., they have 350 > servers). As a non-profit organization Wikipedia has to be in > a fund-raising mode constantly. In my opinion, they could easily get some big university or hardware manufacturer to help in this without sacrificing their neutral stance. Something like the old SunSite program. But the foundation has elected to run their own servers, and so far that works out just fine. What's possibly at risk here is not the contents, the articles in the encyclopedia (= the product), but the machinery and process to build that content (= the factory). In a typical month [1], there are 4000 different users who contribute more than 100 edits each, and 40,000 that contribute at least 5 edits each. Every contributor not only does this without pay, but also pays (in person or through their school, employer or library) for their own computer and probably some kind of broadband Internet connection. That's where the big money is, not in the central servers. [1] These numbers are from October 2006, http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From jgb34 at drexel.edu Mon Feb 12 08:35:25 2007 From: jgb34 at drexel.edu (Bryan,Jane) Date: Mon Feb 12 08:35:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Head, Digital Collections open at Drexel -- please post Message-ID: This position at Drexel University in Philadelphia, PA, combines the responsibilities for maintaining our print archival materials with the mandate to further develop our institutional digital repository, iDEA. iDEA, http://idea.library.drexel.edu/ , collects and disseminates the scholarly production of Drexel's faculty; Ph.D. dissertations from graduate students; and conference proceedings, research day publications, etc. iDEA is built on DSpace; library systems staff collaborate closely with the Head, Digital Collections to improve usability and access. This is a terrific opportunity for someone with an interest in collections, service, and technology. See more below: ======================================================================== ======================================= The Drexel University Libraries are seeking a dynamic individual to serve as University Archivist and Head of Digital Collections for Drexel University. The selected candidate will be responsible for collecting, preserving and providing access to the University's digital collections, special print collections, and University records of enduring value, as well as leading Drexel's digital library initiatives. Drexel's digital library initiative is highlighted by iDEA, a web based service for members of the Drexel community to archive and provide access to digital documents, including publications, reports, presentations, posters, images, audio, video, and many other forms of electronic media. See http://idea.library.drexel.edu/ for details. The successful candidate will enjoy working in a team-based organization with a strong emphasis on customer service. Drexel University, a pioneer in the use of technology in higher education, is an accredited private non-profit institution located in the city of Philadelphia, which offers undergraduate and/or graduate education in arts and sciences, education, engineering, business, information science, media arts, medicine, nursing, and public health. The student population numbers more than 19,000. Most undergraduates participate in the co-operative education program and combine work with academics over a five-year college career. The Drexel University Libraries offer services at three facilities: Hahnemann Library in Center City and the Queen Lane Library primarily serve students, faculty, and staff in the Schools of Medicine, Nursing, and Public Health, while the Hagerty Library in University City primarily serves the other colleges. Drexel is noted for its strong and extensive electronic book and journal collections. For a complete description and to apply, please go to www.drexeljobs.com and search under keyword "Archivist". ======================================================================== ======================================== Jane Bryan 215-895-2750 Jane.Bryan@drexel.edu From hakan.adefjord at bibul.slu.se Mon Feb 12 09:50:50 2007 From: hakan.adefjord at bibul.slu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Adefjord?=) Date: Mon Feb 12 09:51:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D07ECA.8000202@bibul.slu.se> In Sweden we/they have already done it ;-] A couple of years ago they ran a comedy, for a season or two, about a librarian named Sally. I didn't see much of it myself, but from what I heard there were mixed feelings about it. / H?kan Adefjord Jenny Paradiso skrev: > It looks like the aussies are nearly there :) > > > http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/fun-between-the-covers/2006/12/2 > 5/1166895234791.html > > "While she might not be a star in her own home, Butler's prospects > beyond the domestic sphere appear much rosier. Early next year she'll > start filming The Librarians, a six-part comedy produced, written by and > starring her and actor-director husband Wayne Hope (The Castle, > Boytown). Hope will also direct." > > > Jenny Paradiso > Support Librarian > Ex Libris (Australia) Pty Ltd > > Tel: 61 (0) 8 8331 0887 > Fax: 61 (0) 8 8331 0851 > Email: jenny.paradiso@exlibris.com.au > > ================================================= > This correspondence is for the named persons only. It may contain > confidential or privileged information or both. No confidentiality or > privilege is waived or lost by any mis-transmission. If you are not the > intended recipient of this mail you must not disclose, copy or relay any > part of this correspondence, please delete it from your system > immediately and notify the sender. > Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender expressly, and with the authority, > states them to be the opinions of Ex Libris. > ================================================ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wiggins > Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 4:53 AM > To: Phil Shapiro > Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries > > Smile, someone close to me (my wife) also dreams of a TV show set in a > library. She thinks there's enough quirkiness among patrons, and I > suppose > staff, to tell some stories. Once when watching a crime movie with the > bad > guy running through a library she said, as the chase entered the > reference > section: > > Hit him with the DSM!!! > > I think what inspires her notion of a library sitcom was the day she sat > on the reference desk and an undergrad came up and asked how to find > something. Like many libraries, Michigan State's library has carefully > laid out color-coded tapes on the floor showing how to get to the right > shelves. > Informed to follow a certain tape the student stared at it, looked up > puzzled, and said "But it ends here." > > Judy told her "It also begins here." > > Good luck with your venture, wherever it begins or ends. Consider > alternate attire for your pitch video. > > /rich > > > > > On 2/11/07, Phil Shapiro wrote: > >> hi web4lib community - >> >> here in the united states we've got many television dramas about >> police and hospitals, but nary a television drama about situations in >> a public library. >> >> it's time we changed that. in this 8-minute youtube video i sketch >> > > >> out the structure for a possible public library drama. >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze8OEtuDV9c >> >> in the spirit of the internet, this "television show" is open >> > source. > >> anyone may contribute plot lines to it. anyone can shoot videos of >> this show. >> this show will be distribute over the internet rather than on >> television (although i have no objections for it to appear on >> television, as well.) >> >> as a next step, this show needs a wiki where interested persons >> > > >> can contribute plot lines to the show. if there is someone who can >> assist with setting up such a wiki, that would be great. >> >> i hope the above show might be one of many "television shows" >> about >> life in libraries. anyone who has worked in libraries knows that we >> have as many interesting stories as those folks over in police or >> hospitals. and the stories in libraries have many interesting >> dimensions for viewers to chew on. >> >> librarians are rising up. we're taking over police and >> hospitals shows with arresting material, stat. >> >> phil shapiro, public geek >> takoma park maryland library >> >> -- >> Phil Shapiro pshapiro@his.com >> http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro >> http://philsrssfeed.blogspot.com >> http://www.his.com/pshapiro/stories.menu.html >> >> "Wisdom starts with wonder." - Socrates "Learning happens through >> gentleness." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From susan.basye at uni.edu Mon Feb 12 10:40:06 2007 From: susan.basye at uni.edu (Susan Basye) Date: Mon Feb 12 10:40:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron Message-ID: <002f01c74ebc$1241aa60$e0eca186@lib.ad.uni.edu> Leo, Thanks for your message. This is an interesting way to handle posting patron suggestions and responses. Thanks!! I'll post a summary of other responses I received off-line for the list soon. Thank you to everyone who responded! I appreciate your input. Susan Message: 7 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:18:57 -0600 From: Leo Robert Klein >Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Blogs and responding to patron > concerns/complaints >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Message-ID: <45CA3431.5070303@leoklein.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>Susan Basye wrote: >> >> I am having trouble finding any examples of libraries that allow patrons to >> post blog entries. I searched the list archives for this topic and came up >> with very little. >> >> If your library allows patrons to post blog entries I'd be interested in >> hearing how it is working for you. If anyone has any comments in general on >> using one blog for news and patron comments versus using two separate blogs >>I'd be interested in that as well. >> >The U. of C. Blog, Maroon Opinions, "lists suggestions for and answers >from the University of Chicago Library": > >http://lib.typepad.com/suggest/ > >It doesn't allow direct posting -- patrons have to fill out a >"suggestion form" -- but it's an interesting model of what you can do >with a blog in the area of patron response. > >LEO > >-- ------------------- >www.leoklein.com (site) >www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) >aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' ------------------------------------ Susan Basye Administrative Operations Coordinator Rod Library University of Northern Iowa 1227 West 27th Street Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613-3675 (319) 273-2737 susan.basye@uni.edu From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Mon Feb 12 11:40:47 2007 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Mon Feb 12 11:40:53 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] a "television show" about public libraries Message-ID: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF9B7@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> I'd love to see the web comic Unshelved [ http://www.overduemedia.com ] go 'live' :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org From lisa.manax.skikos at lpl.london.on.ca Mon Feb 12 11:58:52 2007 From: lisa.manax.skikos at lpl.london.on.ca (Lisa Manax Skikos) Date: Mon Feb 12 11:59:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library Message-ID: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> We are looking for a computer booking package that would enable our users to book a library computer remotely (via our website) for computers at our 16 locations. Our search has turned up full-bodied systems which include hardware, printing and room booking solutions. This is too much for our needs. We'd like security blocking on the pc itself and authentication to go through the patron API. Has anyone seen anything like this? thanks, Lisa Lisa Manax Skikos E-Communications Librarian London Public Library (519) 661-4600 lisa.manax.skikos@lpl.london.on.ca From george at library.caltech.edu Mon Feb 12 12:53:17 2007 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Mon Feb 12 12:55:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Metadata Services Manager posting Message-ID: <2DB0071B2579A2448430A96C451BBB270113AF3E@CLSX.cls.caltech.edu> Metadata Services Manager position at Caltech, Pasadena, CA Caltech Library Services (CLS) seek a forward thinking manager of its newly formed Metadata Services group. The Metadata Services Manager reports to the Director of Library Information Technology and is responsible for the development, implementation, and maintenance of databases and digital resources. The Manager will develop a comprehensive strategy for the acquisition, description, management, and preservation of digital library resources, and the acquisition and description of books, journals, databases, and site licenses. The Metadata Services Manager will provide leadership in the analysis, planning, development, and deployment of tools to search, manipulate, manage, and preserve information. To this end, the Metadata Services Manager is expected to participate in professional organizations to bring this expertise to the CLS. The Metadata Services Manager will work with other CLS departments and with the CLS user community to evaluate, adopt, and implement metadata standards and best practices that support the CLS catalog and repositories of texts, images, data, and audio-visual resources. CLS is a small and agile organization of about 40 FTE that has a proven record of early adoption of new technologies. It serves a community of 285 faculty, 300 Researchers, and 2000 students in Pasadena, California. Letter of interest and resume should be submitted to the Caltech job application web site at , where a complete job description is posted. Applications received by February 26th will receive first consideration. Position will remain open until filled. ======================== George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 http://library.caltech.edu/ | http://oacaltech.blogspot.com From rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org Mon Feb 12 13:25:02 2007 From: rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org (Robin) Date: Mon Feb 12 13:25:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library In-Reply-To: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> References: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> Message-ID: You might take a look at PC Reservation from envisionware.com. we don't do remote bookings ourselves for fear of no-shows tying up the system, but I believe the software allows it. We've used it in-house for about 4 years and are very happy with it. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Manax Skikos Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:59 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library We are looking for a computer booking package that would enable our users to book a library computer remotely (via our website) for computers at our 16 locations. Our search has turned up full-bodied systems which include hardware, printing and room booking solutions. This is too much for our needs. We'd like security blocking on the pc itself and authentication to go through the patron API. Has anyone seen anything like this? thanks, Lisa Lisa Manax Skikos E-Communications Librarian London Public Library (519) 661-4600 lisa.manax.skikos@lpl.london.on.ca _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From listuser at chillco.com Mon Feb 12 14:26:38 2007 From: listuser at chillco.com (Cary Gordon) Date: Mon Feb 12 14:22:23 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e701c74edb$b7ecc3e0$8002a8c0@medusa> You might want to look at Drupal . While the Drupal CMS has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a "book" module, which is excellent for the collaborative production of documentation. It is very good for producting structured materials and requires less staff overhead than, say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as our clients'. Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd. 143 Los Angeles, CA 90064 310-397-2999 (voice) 866-375-2191 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mylee Joseph Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:52 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Hi all, Do you use a WIKI for your library procedures [eg. information desk procedures]? If so, what software do you use? How much staff time is involved in managing / maintaining the WIKI? If you have any suggestions for a better alternative I'd love to hear from you. many thanks, Mylee Mylee Joseph Consultant Public Library Services State Library of NSW p: 9273 1521 f: 9273 1244 e: mjoseph@sl.nsw.gov.au From listuser at chillco.com Mon Feb 12 14:34:31 2007 From: listuser at chillco.com (Cary Gordon) Date: Mon Feb 12 14:30:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library In-Reply-To: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> References: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> Message-ID: <00f101c74edc$d1df9150$8002a8c0@medusa> We have a client who is using SAM from Comprise Technologies and is happy with it. This may be one of the "full-bodied systems" to which you refer. Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd. 143 Los Angeles, CA 90064 310-397-2999 (voice) 866-375-2191 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Manax Skikos Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library We are looking for a computer booking package that would enable our users to book a library computer remotely (via our website) for computers at our 16 locations. Our search has turned up full-bodied systems which include hardware, printing and room booking solutions. This is too much for our needs. We'd like security blocking on the pc itself and authentication to go through the patron API. Has anyone seen anything like this? thanks, Lisa Lisa Manax Skikos E-Communications Librarian London Public Library (519) 661-4600 lisa.manax.skikos@lpl.london.on.ca _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From JBloy at edgewood.edu Mon Feb 12 14:36:35 2007 From: JBloy at edgewood.edu (Jonathan Bloy) Date: Mon Feb 12 14:38:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Citing from multiple database sources Message-ID: <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD88D0C4@214-email.edgewood.edu> My library recently subscribed to a few more ProQuest databases. We're running into a problem when we are teaching students how to cite the source of the full-text article properly. The problem comes up when we are in multiple databases (for example if you get the article through our open URL link resolver). When you find the article in one of the ProQuest databases, it doesn't tell you specifically what database it came from. It just says "ProQuest Multiple Databases." When we asked the ProQuest rep about this, they said we should just tell the students to use "ProQuest Aggregator" as the database. How the students are ever going to get that phrase when it isn't displayed anywhere I'll never know... Anyway, we were curious if anyone else out there has a better answer they use in their B.I. sessions for citing sources that come from "multiple databases" like that. -- Jonathan Bloy Web Services Librarian Edgewood College Madison, Wisconsin http://library.edgewood.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Feb 12 14:46:13 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Feb 12 14:46:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Citing from multiple database sources In-Reply-To: <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD88D0C4@214-email.edgewood.edu> Message-ID: We provide a set of database names and base URLs that has been discussed with our faculty. It is on our handouts and website. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bloy Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:37 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Citing from multiple database sources My library recently subscribed to a few more ProQuest databases. We're running into a problem when we are teaching students how to cite the source of the full-text article properly. From houghton-jan at smcl.org Mon Feb 12 14:58:10 2007 From: houghton-jan at smcl.org (Houghton-Jan, Sarah) Date: Mon Feb 12 14:58:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library References: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> <00f101c74edc$d1df9150$8002a8c0@medusa> Message-ID: I have had experience with both SAM and another product, Library Online (from Telus). Library Online is, by far, a superior product. My experience with SAM has been one of the most negative software experiences I've had in my career. Library Online, on the other hand, was almost completely trouble-free and the log-in and reservation processes were easy to learn for the users. I would recommend Library Online over SAM very, very strongly. Sarah Houghton-Jan ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Cary Gordon Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 11:34 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library We have a client who is using SAM from Comprise Technologies and is happy with it. This may be one of the "full-bodied systems" to which you refer. Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd. 143 Los Angeles, CA 90064 310-397-2999 (voice) 866-375-2191 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Manax Skikos Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library We are looking for a computer booking package that would enable our users to book a library computer remotely (via our website) for computers at our 16 locations. Our search has turned up full-bodied systems which include hardware, printing and room booking solutions. This is too much for our needs. We'd like security blocking on the pc itself and authentication to go through the patron API. Has anyone seen anything like this? thanks, Lisa Lisa Manax Skikos E-Communications Librarian London Public Library (519) 661-4600 lisa.manax.skikos@lpl.london.on.ca _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kdevine at euclidlibrary.org Mon Feb 12 15:18:22 2007 From: kdevine at euclidlibrary.org (Kevin Devine) Date: Mon Feb 12 15:18:26 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library In-Reply-To: References: <45D05675.EBD2.00CC.0@lpl.london.on.ca> <00f101c74edc$d1df9150$8002a8c0@medusa> Message-ID: <45D0CB8E.5090208@euclidlibrary.org> While I don't have first-hand experience, I noticed that Userful had a free software program called Pre-Book, and they have a trial version of DiscoverStation you could try. http://userful.com/download/ Kevin Devine Euclid Public Library http://www.euclidlibrary.org Houghton-Jan, Sarah wrote: > I have had experience with both SAM and another product, Library Online (from Telus). Library Online is, by far, a superior product. My experience with SAM has been one of the most negative software experiences I've had in my career. Library Online, on the other hand, was almost completely trouble-free and the log-in and reservation processes were easy to learn for the users. I would recommend Library Online over SAM very, very strongly. > > Sarah Houghton-Jan > > ________________________________ > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Cary Gordon > Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 11:34 AM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library > > > > We have a client who is using SAM from Comprise Technologies and is happy > with it. This may be one of the "full-bodied systems" to which you refer. > > Cary Gordon > The Cherry Hill Company > 11664 National Blvd. 143 > Los Angeles, CA 90064 > 310-397-2999 (voice) > 866-375-2191 (fax) > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Manax Skikos > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library > > We are looking for a computer booking package that would enable our users to > book a library computer remotely (via our website) for computers at our 16 > locations. > > Our search has turned up full-bodied systems which include hardware, > printing and room booking solutions. This is too much for our needs. > We'd like security blocking on the pc itself and authentication to go > through the patron API. > > Has anyone seen anything like this? > > thanks, Lisa > > Lisa Manax Skikos > E-Communications Librarian > London Public Library > (519) 661-4600 > lisa.manax.skikos@lpl.london.on.ca > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From leo at leoklein.com Mon Feb 12 15:25:00 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Mon Feb 12 15:25:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: <00e701c74edb$b7ecc3e0$8002a8c0@medusa> References: <00e701c74edb$b7ecc3e0$8002a8c0@medusa> Message-ID: <45D0CD1C.4060009@leoklein.com> Cary Gordon wrote: > You might want to look at Drupal . While the Drupal CMS has a > wiki module, which is fair, there is also a "book" module, which is > excellent for the collaborative production of documentation. It is very good > for producting structured materials and requires less staff overhead than, > say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to libraries, and use this > for our own documentation as well as our clients'. > This is interesting. When you hear "Book" module, you don't normally think of Wiki. Would you have a link to an example? I guess a general concern would be how easy or difficult it would be for users to add & edit information. I've recently been foolin' around with Peanut Butter Wiki (pbwiki.com). It's so easy to use -- a baby could create something on it. 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Phone: 877-504-1273 Fax: 630-288-8394 From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Mon Feb 12 16:58:38 2007 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Mon Feb 12 16:58:48 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library Message-ID: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF9BF@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:35 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] computer booking system for public library We have a client who is using SAM from Comprise Technologies and is happy with it. This may be one of the "full-bodied systems" to which you refer. It is a 'full bodied' system, and is quirky, though it fit our needs best of the ones who responded to our RFP. It requires a server plus clients, etc. It sounds more like the original requestor was looking for an online scheduling program?? You might look at evanced solutions' online scheduling product. Someone suggested it to me for a similar issue. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Mon Feb 12 17:03:06 2007 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Mon Feb 12 16:59:24 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Message-ID: Interesting. I've played some with Drupal- it doesn't seem from the back end, that it would be that easy to add permissions, users, etc ... Is that the case? When you say mediawiki requires less staff overhead, is this for the it staff, or wiki users? Thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:27 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures > > You might want to look at Drupal . While the > Drupal CMS has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a > "book" module, which is excellent for the collaborative > production of documentation. It is very good for producting > structured materials and requires less staff overhead than, > say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to > libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as > our clients'. > > Cary Gordon From listuser at chillco.com Mon Feb 12 17:06:03 2007 From: listuser at chillco.com (Cary Gordon) Date: Mon Feb 12 17:05:13 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: <45D0CD1C.4060009@leoklein.com> References: <00e701c74edb$b7ecc3e0$8002a8c0@medusa> <45D0CD1C.4060009@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <001b01c74ef1$fd100980$8002a8c0@medusa> Here is a link to the Drupal Book module: . The Book module is a wiki. The name helps distinguish it from the (to my mind, inferior) Wiki module. The difference is that the is easier to use and more Drupal-like. So, you're saying that Peanut Butter Wiki is similar to a diaper? (GDR.....) Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd. 143 Los Angeles, CA 90064 310-397-2999 (voice) 866-375-2191 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Leo Robert Klein Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:25 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Cary Gordon wrote: > You might want to look at Drupal . While the Drupal CMS > has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a "book" module, which > is excellent for the collaborative production of documentation. It is > very good for producting structured materials and requires less staff > overhead than, say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to > libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as our clients'. > This is interesting. When you hear "Book" module, you don't normally think of Wiki. Would you have a link to an example? I guess a general concern would be how easy or difficult it would be for users to add & edit information. I've recently been foolin' around with Peanut Butter Wiki (pbwiki.com). It's so easy to use -- a baby could create something on it. LEO From mjordan at sfu.ca Mon Feb 12 17:09:48 2007 From: mjordan at sfu.ca (Mark Jordan) Date: Mon Feb 12 17:10:07 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D0E5AC.6010102@sfu.ca> Lisa, Drupal has a 'roles' feature that you can use to provide specific permissions to groups of users. There are a number of modules that add functionality to roles as well, such as Simple Access (http://drupal.org/project/simple_access). Mark Pons, Lisa (ponslm) wrote: > Interesting. I've played some with Drupal- it doesn't seem from the back > end, that it would be that easy to add permissions, users, etc ... Is > that the case? > > When you say mediawiki requires less staff overhead, is this for the it > staff, or wiki users? > > Thanks! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >> [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:27 PM >> To: web4lib@webjunction.org >> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures >> >> You might want to look at Drupal . While the >> Drupal CMS has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a >> "book" module, which is excellent for the collaborative >> production of documentation. It is very good for producting >> structured materials and requires less staff overhead than, >> say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to >> libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as >> our clients'. >> >> Cary Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Feb 12 17:18:29 2007 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Mon Feb 12 17:19:23 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: <001b01c74ef1$fd100980$8002a8c0@medusa> References: <00e701c74edb$b7ecc3e0$8002a8c0@medusa> <45D0CD1C.4060009@leoklein.com> <001b01c74ef1$fd100980$8002a8c0@medusa> Message-ID: <45D093E5.B74E.0013.0@UTSouthwestern.edu> Actually, we have created a PBWiki specifically for policies and procedures. This was done to evaluate the utility of a wiki for internal communications. It has proven to be quite popular, particularly with their new WYSIWYG editor. Issues regarding PBWiki in particular include a lack of page-level security, no inherent page hierarchy (you can create your own hierarchy manually), and a search engine of limited value (exact word, with no spell-check and no word variants; also, contents of files are not searchable). Our experiment served us well as we embark on a project to re-create a staff intranet. There is much pressure to go the wiki route. I would say the file management would likely be the primary reason we would not, if that were decided. Whatever we choose will likely have a wiki-like easy-to-use interface. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-8946 http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ >>> "Cary Gordon" 2/12/2007 4:06 PM >>> Here is a link to the Drupal Book module: . The Book module is a wiki. The name helps distinguish it from the (to my mind, inferior) Wiki module. The difference is that the is easier to use and more Drupal-like. So, you're saying that Peanut Butter Wiki is similar to a diaper? (GDR.....) Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd. 143 Los Angeles, CA 90064 310-397-2999 (voice) 866-375-2191 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Leo Robert Klein Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:25 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Cary Gordon wrote: > You might want to look at Drupal . While the Drupal CMS > has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a "book" module, which > is excellent for the collaborative production of documentation. It is > very good for producting structured materials and requires less staff > overhead than, say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to > libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as our clients'. > This is interesting. When you hear "Book" module, you don't normally think of Wiki. Would you have a link to an example? I guess a general concern would be how easy or difficult it would be for users to add & edit information. I've recently been foolin' around with Peanut Butter Wiki (pbwiki.com). It's so easy to use -- a baby could create something on it. LEO _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From denials at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 18:05:52 2007 From: denials at gmail.com (Dan Scott) Date: Mon Feb 12 18:05:58 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We're using dokuwiki (http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/dokuwiki) on a semi-official basis to store our library procedures, meeting minutes, etc. It is highly configurable for permission granularity (anonymous vs. users vs. groups across the entire wiki vs. sections of the wiki vs. individual pages), maintains version histories for every page, offers RSS feeds and email subscriptions to page changes, and retains everything in flat files so you don't have to worry about setting up & maintaining a database in addition to the wiki. The price is right -- free -- and it requires just PHP + a Linux system. It will run on Windows, but I ran into trouble trying to get the email part of the system running under Windows, whereas the email part ran out of the box on Linux. Therefore, I recommend Windows. The WYSIWYG editor it offers is good enough for the basics of creating a page, but as with most wikis changing a page after the fact pretty much requires you to understand the markup. Dan Scott Systems Librarian Laurentian University On 11/02/07, Mylee Joseph wrote: > Hi all, > > Do you use a WIKI for your library procedures [eg. information desk > procedures]? > > If so, what software do you use? > > How much staff time is involved in managing / maintaining the WIKI? > > If you have any suggestions for a better alternative I'd love to hear > from you. > > many thanks, Mylee > > > Mylee Joseph From listuser at chillco.com Mon Feb 12 19:30:16 2007 From: listuser at chillco.com (Cary Gordon) Date: Mon Feb 12 19:26:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01c74f06$22704690$8002a8c0@medusa> Easy is relative. Drupal lets you set up user classes called roles and assign permissions for almost every activity by role. An administrator may assign multiple roles to users. In practice, it is straightforward and very powerful, but requires some planning. Cary -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Pons, Lisa (ponslm) Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:03 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures Interesting. I've played some with Drupal- it doesn't seem from the back end, that it would be that easy to add permissions, users, etc ... Is that the case? When you say mediawiki requires less staff overhead, is this for the it staff, or wiki users? Thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:27 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Wiki for library procedures > > You might want to look at Drupal . While the Drupal CMS > has a wiki module, which is fair, there is also a "book" module, which > is excellent for the collaborative production of documentation. It is > very good for producting structured materials and requires less staff > overhead than, say, MediaWiki. We offer Drupal related services to > libraries, and use this for our own documentation as well as our > clients'. > > Cary Gordon _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From J.P.Knight at lboro.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 03:23:43 2007 From: J.P.Knight at lboro.ac.uk (J.P.Knight) Date: Tue Feb 13 03:23:50 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Pierre Nault wrote: > Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course > mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt > environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what could > we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management system) > for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer theses > servicesfor > integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use > Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? At Loughborough we've currently got a home grown VLE, which is slated to be replaced by Moodle in a year or so. "Learn" (as the current system is known) links to several of the Library systems such as the LORLS reading list system. Here students pick modules on their courses and so the module code is a natural link between such systems, especially as Learn is structured based on courses and modules. From the link to the LORLS page for the module the students can then navigate to the web OPAC, our SFX server, online electronic resources, etc, etc. From jfurfey at mbl.edu Tue Feb 13 10:24:29 2007 From: jfurfey at mbl.edu (John Furfey) Date: Tue Feb 13 10:24:35 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues Message-ID: <45D1D82D.7090103@mbl.edu> Hello all, Does anyone have any experience or know of any resources that have to do with copyright regarding web design and layout? CSS layouts with 3 columns and a header and footer are so common, and a site I'm working on is very similar in layout to so many others out there. Do I run the risk of running into problems if my site is similar in layout to others? Thanks, John -- John Furfey Digital Systems and Services Coordinator MBLWHOI Library Woods Hole MA 02543 USA PHONE: 508-289-7435 EMAIL: jfurfey@mbl.edu http://www.mblwhoilibrary.org From AWDobbs at ship.edu Tue Feb 13 11:08:06 2007 From: AWDobbs at ship.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Tue Feb 13 11:08:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues In-Reply-To: <45D1D82D.7090103@mbl.edu> Message-ID: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> IANAL With that said, my understanding (oh great collective wisdom correct me) is the code is copyrighted/copyrightable but the expression/display is not? I think the "look" of a page might be trademarked/treademarkable but that is pure wild guesswork on my part. ALA Washington Office has put together a Copyright Advisory Network discussion forum at: http://www.librarycopyright.net/ where you could pose the question, one of a dozen or so librarians who have received copyright training will get back to your post in a few days at most and a discussion may ensue. If you're using someone else's code to generate your display, courtesy and practice seem to suggest an acknowledgement of the author and maybe a link to the original are in order and should cover amy copyright issues. (again, this paragraph is supposition on my part) -Aaron :-)' Miranda: "You have your backup backing up your backups" Mike: "Recursives! Spoiled again!" -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Furfey Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:24 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues Hello all, Does anyone have any experience or know of any resources that have to do with copyright regarding web design and layout? CSS layouts with 3 columns and a header and footer are so common, and a site I'm working on is very similar in layout to so many others out there. Do I run the risk of running into problems if my site is similar in layout to others? Thanks, John -- John Furfey Digital Systems and Services Coordinator MBLWHOI Library Woods Hole MA 02543 USA PHONE: 508-289-7435 EMAIL: jfurfey@mbl.edu http://www.mblwhoilibrary.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From clementg at fiu.edu Tue Feb 13 11:26:45 2007 From: clementg at fiu.edu (Gail Clement) Date: Tue Feb 13 11:40:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues In-Reply-To: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> References: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Message-ID: <45D1E6C5.7090805@fiu.edu> As with Aaron, IANAL. I am, however, one of the ALA-trained Copyright Scholars Aaron mentioned who works on the Copyright Advsiory Network. And I'm happy to add my two cents! To warrant copyright protection, a work has to rise to a minimum level of creativity and originality. That is why items such as phone books and some blank forms are not eligible for copyright protection. IMHO, the basic three-column layout of a web page design described by the John is similar to a basic blank form. It is not sufficiently original or creative to warrant protection. Gail Clement Head, Digital Collections Center Florida International University Miami, FL 33199 Aaron wrote: >IANAL > >With that said, my understanding (oh great collective wisdom correct me) >is the code is copyrighted/copyrightable but the expression/display is >not? I think the "look" of a page might be trademarked/treademarkable >but that is pure wild guesswork on my part. > >ALA Washington Office has put together a Copyright Advisory Network >discussion forum at: >http://www.librarycopyright.net/ >where you could pose the question, one of a dozen or so librarians who >have received copyright training will get back to your post in a few >days at most and a discussion may ensue. > >If you're using someone else's code to generate your display, courtesy >and practice seem to suggest an acknowledgement of the author and maybe >a link to the original are in order and should cover amy copyright >issues. (again, this paragraph is supposition on my part) > >-Aaron >:-)' > >Miranda: "You have your backup backing up your backups" >Mike: "Recursives! Spoiled again!" > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Furfey >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:24 AM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues > >Hello all, > >Does anyone have any experience or know of any resources that have to do >with copyright regarding web design and layout? > >CSS layouts with 3 columns and a header and footer are so common, and a >site I'm working on is very similar in layout to so many others out >there. Do I run the risk of running into problems if my site is similar >in layout to others? > >Thanks, >John > > > > From mschloss at indiana.edu Tue Feb 13 11:44:32 2007 From: mschloss at indiana.edu (Schlosser, Melanie Brynn) Date: Tue Feb 13 11:54:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues In-Reply-To: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> References: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Message-ID: <20070213114432.eg3y17nbkccoowcc@webmail.iu.edu> > With that said, my understanding (oh great collective wisdom correct me) > is the code is copyrighted/copyrightable but the expression/display is > not? I think the "look" of a page might be trademarked/treademarkable > but that is pure wild guesswork on my part. All that's required for copyright protection is that you create 'an original work of authorship' that is 'fixed in any tangible medium of expression.' That potentially includes both the code and the design, or 'look', of your site. The design is protected for the same reason artwork is copyright protected - it is a form of creative expression. The code is a little tricker. As noted before, there are a million websites out there with a standard 3-column CSS layout. In order to claim copyright on yours, you'd need to be able to show that it is creative and substantially different from the other ones out there. If you use someone else's site as a guide while designing your own, it is good practice (and good manners!) to ask permission, or acknowledge their contribution. If they feel their copyright has been infringed, they can still take you to court. This is highly unlikely, however. Melanie Schlosser Indiana University From micah at raincross-tech.com Tue Feb 13 13:19:59 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Tue Feb 13 13:33:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] website design copyright issues In-Reply-To: <20070213114432.eg3y17nbkccoowcc@webmail.iu.edu> References: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A6739BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> <20070213114432.eg3y17nbkccoowcc@webmail.iu.edu> Message-ID: <45D2014F.4010502@raincross-tech.com> On 02/13/2007 08:44 AM, Schlosser, Melanie Brynn wrote: > > >> With that said, my understanding (oh great collective wisdom correct me) >> is the code is copyrighted/copyrightable but the expression/display is >> not? I think the "look" of a page might be trademarked/treademarkable >> but that is pure wild guesswork on my part. It's my understanding that if something is trademarked, it must be made obvious that is it so as part of the trademark. As a website is not an exact look, I feel that it would be difficult to trademark a layout. This would fall under copyright or patent law. However, I'm no expert in trademarks. :) > All that's required for copyright protection is that you create 'an > original work of authorship' that is 'fixed in any tangible medium of > expression.' That potentially includes both the code and the design, > or 'look', of your site. The design is protected for the same reason > artwork is copyright protected - it is a form of creative expression. > The code is a little tricker. As noted before, there are a million > websites out there with a standard 3-column CSS layout. In order to > claim copyright on yours, you'd need to be able to show that it is > creative and substantially different from the other ones out there. > IMHO the copyright issue is far less worrisome than patent issues regarding website design. As a website is a tool, you can patent layout, and the method in which it works. However, something that is more common such as this three column layout, the standard 'L' layout and things like that are less likely to be patented. This is a hazy issue. The issue of software patents is hotly debated. America still allows this, Europe does not for example. > If you use someone else's site as a guide while designing your own, it > is good practice (and good manners!) to ask permission, or acknowledge > their contribution. If they feel their copyright has been infringed, > they can still take you to court. This is highly unlikely, however. > CSS stylesheets, HTML, and javascript are all software of a sort. It is appropriate to to acknowledge the designer in the code itself which doesn't kludge up the look of your site. If you do borrow code from people, make sure it's in the public domain, or it has a GPL, BDB, LGPL or other open source license. If you're unsure of the terms, Wikipedia has good summations of the ins and outs of each of these licenses. The best thing would be to use these example as a starting point to code your own stuff, then it's not an issue. Perhaps an acknowledgment would still be in order morally, but legally it's much better. -Micah From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 13 13:20:40 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Feb 13 13:33:17 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] New blog: Designing Better Libraries Message-ID: This is another great effort headed up by Steven Bell of Temple University. You must read this blog! Designing Better Libraries http://dbl.lishost.org/blog/ Designing Better Libraries is a blog about design thinking and how it applies to library settings. The goal of this blog is to provide information, news and ideas that librarians can use to design a great library user experience for their communities. Among the topics we'll be covering are instructional design, innovation, technology design, and the application of new media to design - and of course - design thinking. >From the Who We Are page: Steven Bell is currently Associate University Librarian for Research and Instructional Services at Temple University, and was previously Director of the Library at Philadelphia University. He also maintains the blog Kept-Up Academic Librarian and blogs for ACRLog. With John Shank he is co-founder of the Blended Librarians Online Learning Community. More information is found at his website. Brian Mathews is currently an Information Services Librarian at Georgia Tech. He is the Coordinator of Distance Learning Library Services, and the liaison for Mechanical Engineering and Computer Science. Brian contributes a column to the Journal of Web Librarianship on the topic of social software, and is working on a book for ALA Editions about service assessment and advertising for academic libraries. His primary blog is The Ubiquitous Librarian, which chronicles insights and experiments from the patron community. John D. Shank has been in the higher education field since 1996. He received his Masters from Drexel's school of Library and Information Science. Since, entering the field he has worked at several academic institutions in various capacities including: Montgomery County Community College, Haverford College, and Bryn Mawr College. Currently, he is the Instructional Design Librarian and director of the Center for Learning Technologies for Pennsylvania State University's, Berks campus. He has presented hundreds of faculty development workshops, lectures, and seminars at various universities and colleges, and given presentations at regional and national conferences. Shank has also authored and coauthored articles and book chapters on the topic of integrating instructional technology into library services. He is also co-founder, along with Steven Bell, of the Blended Librarian Online Learning Community. Jill Stover is the Undergraduate Services Librarian at Cabell Library, Virginia Commonwealth University. Jill enjoys writing about library marketing on her blog, Library Marketing-Thinking Outside the Book and on the KnowThis.com Marketing Blog. She is pursuing a Certificate in Marketing from the VCU School of Business. For more information, see Jill's vita. Jeff Trzeciak is the University Librarian at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Previously he worked at Wayne State University (Detroit) and Wright State University (Dayton, Ohio), mostly in "systems". He maintains a blog at ulatmac.wordpress.com where he is currently writing about the "transformation" of McMaster's libraries. Michael J. Giarlo is a librarian technologist currently working at the Princeton University Library as a Digital Library Applications Programmer, and was previously a systems administrator and project coordinator at the Rutgers University Libraries and the University of Washington Libraries. He has published and presented on digital preservation and archiving, human-information behavior, XML, institutional repositories, and library technology. Technorati Tags: Libraries , Steven Bell -- Posted By Bill Drew to Baby Boomer Librarian at 2/13/2007 11:43:00 AM From ajohnsto at olivet.edu Tue Feb 13 15:07:00 2007 From: ajohnsto at olivet.edu (Ann Johnston) Date: Tue Feb 13 15:07:14 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue Message-ID: We are working on redesigning our website and have run to a snag. We were wondering if anyone could help us. How do we make two columns of potentially variable height, always line up at the bottom using CSS and not using tables? We currently have one column floating left and one column floating right. Would a different positioning layout help fix this problem? Thank you a head of time. Mrs. Ann Johnston Library Information Technology Assistant Olivet Nazarene University 815-939-5061 I Cor.4:7 "For who makes you superior over anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?" From smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Feb 13 15:14:11 2007 From: smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu (Samuel Mcdonald) Date: Tue Feb 13 15:14:23 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See: Multi-Column Layouts Climb Out of the Box by Alan Pearce http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlayouts for some good advice, code and demos -Sam On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Ann Johnston wrote: > We are working on redesigning our website and have run to a snag. We were wondering if anyone could help us. How do we make two columns of potentially variable height, always line up at the bottom using CSS and not using tables? We currently have one column floating left and one column floating right. Would a different positioning layout help fix this problem? Thank you a head of time. > > Mrs. Ann Johnston > Library Information Technology Assistant > Olivet Nazarene University > 815-939-5061 > > I Cor.4:7 "For who makes you superior over anyone > else? What do you have that you did not receive? > And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?" > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From richard at katipo.co.nz Tue Feb 13 15:15:53 2007 From: richard at katipo.co.nz (Richard Anderson) Date: Tue Feb 13 15:15:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D21C79.5020809@katipo.co.nz> There's a fantastic discussion list for CSS at http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Ann Johnston wrote: > We are working on redesigning our website and have run to a snag. We > were wondering if anyone could help us. How do we make two columns > of potentially variable height, always line up at the bottom using > CSS and not using tables? We currently have one column floating left > and one column floating right. Would a different positioning layout > help fix this problem? Thank you a head of time. > > Mrs. Ann Johnston Library Information Technology Assistant Olivet > Nazarene University 815-939-5061 > > I Cor.4:7 "For who makes you superior over anyone else? What do you > have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you > boast as though you did not?" > > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- Richard Anderson Web Team Leader Katipo Communications PO Box 12487 Wellington Web: http://www.katipo.co.nz/ From jml4n at virginia.edu Tue Feb 13 15:20:34 2007 From: jml4n at virginia.edu (John Loy) Date: Tue Feb 13 15:20:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/ http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/ http://nickcowie.com/2005/elastic-faux-columns/ -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu "No matter how beautiful, no matter how cool your interface, it would be better if there were less of it." -- Alan Cooper On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Ann Johnston wrote: > We are working on redesigning our website and have run to a snag. > We were wondering if anyone could help us. How do we make two > columns of potentially variable height, always line up at the > bottom using CSS and not using tables? We currently have one > column floating left and one column floating right. Would a > different positioning layout help fix this problem? Thank you a > head of time. > > Mrs. Ann Johnston > Library Information Technology Assistant > Olivet Nazarene University > 815-939-5061 > > I Cor.4:7 "For who makes you superior over anyone > else? What do you have that you did not receive? > And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?" > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Tue Feb 13 19:45:30 2007 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Tue Feb 13 19:43:14 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue References: Message-ID: can you send a url for us to view? ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Ann Johnston Sent: Tue 2/13/2007 3:07 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue We are working on redesigning our website and have run to a snag. We were wondering if anyone could help us. How do we make two columns of potentially variable height, always line up at the bottom using CSS and not using tables? We currently have one column floating left and one column floating right. Would a different positioning layout help fix this problem? Thank you a head of time. Mrs. Ann Johnston Library Information Technology Assistant Olivet Nazarene University 815-939-5061 I Cor.4:7 "For who makes you superior over anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?" _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mike at indexdata.com Wed Feb 14 09:01:05 2007 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Wed Feb 14 09:01:51 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> Samuel Mcdonald writes: > See: > Multi-Column Layouts Climb Out of the Box > by Alan Pearce > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlayouts > > for some good advice, code and demos John Loy writes: > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ > http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/ > http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/ > http://nickcowie.com/2005/elastic-faux-columns/ ... and if all that just seems unncessarily complicated, then why not just use a table? Seriously: why not? I know a lot of computer scientists who think CSS layout is more elegant, but I've never met a user who could tell the difference. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "The same ... Only more violent!" -- Monty Python's Flying Circus. From dkaplan at brandeis.edu Wed Feb 14 09:16:07 2007 From: dkaplan at brandeis.edu (Deborah Kaplan) Date: Wed Feb 14 09:16:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Mike Taylor wrote: > ... and if all that just seems unncessarily complicated, then why not > just use a table? Seriously: why not? I know a lot of computer > scientists who think CSS layout is more elegant, but I've never met a > user who could tell the difference. As a user with disabilities who uses accessibility to navigate, I can absolutely tell the difference. Accessibility software treats tables as tabular data, and I can control whether or not CSS is displayed depending on whether or not it works with my accessibility needs. It is much more difficult to make to make tabular layout for non-tabular data accessible to users with disabilities. And as a developer, I find it websites which have been coded in CSS are elegant and simple to maintain. In order to teach a user to update content, you send them to a simple HTML page which has minimal encoding. Whereas pages which have been laid out using tables tend to be uneditable by anyone other than the original coder, and non-technical users who edit the content in the pages break the HTML on a regular basis. -Deborah -- Deborah Kaplan Digital Initiatives Librarian Brandeis University From malin at malin.net.pl Wed Feb 14 10:12:52 2007 From: malin at malin.net.pl (Marcin Malinowski) Date: Wed Feb 14 10:13:05 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> References: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1436656534.20070214161252@malin.net.pl> Hello, Mike Taylor writes: > ... and if all that just seems unncessarily complicated, then why > not just use a table? Seriously: why not? I know a lot of computer > scientists who think CSS layout is more elegant, but I've never met > a user who could tell the difference. Read this: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/. It should explain everything and answer all your questions. This is my first post here, so i'd like to say hello. Hope to stay here for a bit longer :-) -- Regards, Marcin Malinowski http://malin.net.pl From JBloy at edgewood.edu Wed Feb 14 10:45:08 2007 From: JBloy at edgewood.edu (Jonathan Bloy) Date: Wed Feb 14 10:47:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue References: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> <1436656534.20070214161252@malin.net.pl> Message-ID: <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD88D483@214-email.edgewood.edu> Marcin Malinowski wrote: >Read this: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/. >It should explain everything and answer all your questions. I'm a strong advocate for web standards and it makes my heart glad to see others on this listserv with the same attitude. That above link has some excellent info. Here is another page from the Web Standards Project with info, tutorials, reference links and more. http://www.webstandards.org/learn/ -- Jonathan Bloy Web Services Librarian Edgewood College Madison, Wisconsin http://library.edgewood.edu From steve at obergs.net Wed Feb 14 10:49:10 2007 From: steve at obergs.net (Steve Oberg) Date: Wed Feb 14 10:49:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Moodle and libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4dcebbbd0702140749m44f279b5l8e870fdfde334dec@mail.gmail.com> Just wanted to add as an aside that the Graduate School of Library and Information Science at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign recently switched to Moodle as the platform supporting their highly regarded LEEP distance education curriculum (http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu). It represents, in my opinion, a significant improvement with lots of social web functionality and a continuation of the tight integration between it and the LIS Library at UIUC that has existed for years. Steve On 2/13/07, J.P.Knight wrote: > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Pierre Nault wrote: > > Our university just installed Moodle to replace WebCT as our course > > mangement systems. We (the libraries) were not present in the WebCt > > environment, but now that we've change systems, I was wondering what could > > we do with Moodle ? Does anyone use Moodle (or any couse management system) > > for promoting libraries services ? I found that Carleton College offer theses > > servicesfor > > integrating library resources, is there other ways that we ould use > > Moodle? Do you have some exemples ? > > At Loughborough we've currently got a home grown VLE, which is slated to > be replaced by Moodle in a year or so. "Learn" (as the current system is > known) links to several of the Library systems such as the LORLS reading > list system. Here students pick modules on their courses and so the > module code is a natural link between such systems, especially as Learn is > structured based on courses and modules. From the link to the LORLS page > for the module the students can then navigate to the web OPAC, our SFX > server, online electronic resources, etc, etc. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From leo at leoklein.com Wed Feb 14 11:05:23 2007 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed Feb 14 11:05:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue In-Reply-To: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> References: <17875.5665.658126.325992@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45D33343.1090408@leoklein.com> Mike Taylor wrote: > John Loy writes: > > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ > > http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/ > > http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/ > > http://nickcowie.com/2005/elastic-faux-columns/ > > ... and if all that just seems unncessarily complicated, then why not > just use a table? Seriously: why not? I know a lot of computer > scientists who think CSS layout is more elegant, but I've never met a > user who could tell the difference. > There are a couple of holes in the spec -- the inability to produce equal length columns being one of them -- but honestly, once you start using CSS, you really don't go back. It no longer becomes "complicated" but rather just how you do layout and positioning. At that point, it's using tables that seems strange. LEO -- ------------------- www.leoklein.com (site) www.ChicagoLibrarian.com (blog) aim/msn/yhoo/goog: 'leorobertklein' -- ------------------------------- From michael.yunkin at unlv.edu Wed Feb 14 12:51:57 2007 From: michael.yunkin at unlv.edu (michael.yunkin@unlv.edu) Date: Wed Feb 14 12:55:25 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] CSS layout issue Message-ID: Mike Taylor wrote on 02/14/2007 06:01:05 AM: > > ... and if all that just seems unncessarily complicated, then why not > just use a table? Seriously: why not? Because when I need to make sitewide changes across 2000+ pages, I'd rather change a single document than all of them. -Michael Yunkin Web Content/Metadata Manager UNLV Libraries Las Vegas, NV From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 14 12:56:13 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Wed Feb 14 12:58:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job: Digital Initiatives Co-ordinator, University of Alberta Libraries Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BA6@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> (With apologies for crossposting) Digital Initiatives Co-ordinator University of Alberta Libraries The University of Alberta Libraries is looking for a dynamic project manager to take primary responsibility for managing the development of digital collections and ensuring that these collections are timely, relevant and well-used. Working with those involved in the Peel's Prairie Provinces initiative, the Lois Hole Campus Alberta Digital Library (LHCADL) and other digital initiatives, you will provide coordination and leadership (system level and externally) and management of production activities. As the Digital Initiatives Co-ordinator, you will work with other librarians and technical staff in the Digital Resources Group and will participate in all phases of digital library development including: coordination of teams/individuals; user analysis, materials preparation; copyright clearance; digitization/OCR production; metadata application; costing/budget analysis; outsource vendor selection and communication; public user interface development/access point determination; quality control; marketing; personnel recruitment; contract administration; negotiation with external bodies/agencies. You may also develop and maintain the Library's collection in an assigned subject area. The University of Alberta Library is Canada's second largest research library, with an active program of electronic information products, Web development supporting collections and services, and digital library initiatives in areas such as document delivery, graphic image and data collections, and Internet resource cataloguing. For more information, visit our web site at www.library.ualberta.ca. Qualifications, Preferred Skills and Experience: Master of Library Science from an ALA accredited institution. Experience in project management; familiarity with preparation of technical and functional specifications (image capture, database design, search and presentation features); software evaluation; system configuration and management; staff training and technical support Knowledge of information technology trends and their application to emerging digital library issues such as image display, metadata standards, authentication, integration/reference linking technologies, search standards and protocols Skills in relational database design (e.g. MySQL, Oracle), a working knowledge of presentation mechanisms/languages (e.g. CSS, JavaScript, XML/XSL), programming languages (e.g. Cold Fusion, PERL, PHP, Java), and of web server OS environments (e.g. UNIX/Solaris, Linux and Apache) would be strong assets. Strong communication and interpersonal skills and successful participation in collaborative work environments and team relationships. Facilitative and collaborative skills are required. Front line experience in library public services and collection development an asset. Enthusiasm, resourcefulness, organizational skills, and a sense of humour are essential. Applicants are encouraged to provide with their applications examples of their work, either as URL's or files on disk. Salary and Rank: This tenure-track position is classified at the Librarian 2 level with a current salary range of $65,571 to $104,291. Librarians at the University of Alberta have academic status and participate in a generous benefits program. Closing date for the position is March 23rd , 2007. To Apply: Please mail, fax or e-mail your resume and the names of three references to: Karen Adams Director of Library Services and Information Resources Cameron Library University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2J8 Fax: (780) 492-8302 E-mail: karen.adams@ualberta.ca Established in 1908 as a board-governed, public institution, the University of Alberta has earned the reputation of being one of the best universities in Canada based on our strengths in teaching, research and services. The University of Alberta serves over 36,000 students in more than 200 undergraduate programs and 170 graduate programs (www.ualberta.ca). The University's main campus is located in Edmonton, the cosmopolitan capital of the province of Alberta. The Edmonton metropolitan area is the sixth largest in the country with a population of approximately one million people (http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server.pt ). Edmonton is home to vibrant cultural events, a system of river valley parks and trails, and is located only a few hours drive from Banff and Jasper National Parks, which offer skiing in winter and excellent hiking and sightseeing in summer. The University of Alberta hires on the basis of merit. We are committed to the principle of equity in employment. We welcome diversity and encourage applications from all qualified women and men, including persons with disabilities, members of visible minorities, and Aboriginal persons. Peter Binkley Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley@ualberta.ca From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 14 12:58:25 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Wed Feb 14 13:06:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job: Digital Repository Services Librarian, University of Alberta Libraries Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BA7@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> (with apologies for crossposting) Digital Repository Services Librarian University of Alberta Libraries The University of Alberta Libraries is looking for a dynamic librarian with marketing and technology skills to take primary responsibility for the Library's digital repository and its services, including its geographically-based data repository and services. You will administer the digital repository and its services and provide leadership to those serving in the liaison role in developing strategies to recruit content for the repository. You will also take responsibility for communication with and support for users of the digital and spatial data repositories, the Open Journal System and the Open Conference System Hosting Service and will coordinate metadata activities with respect to the digital and spatial data repositories. As the Digital Depository Services Librarian, you will collaborate with the staff of the Information Technology Resources and Services Unit, the Data Library and the Maps Library to ensure the successful implementation of the repositories. You will liaise with on-campus users of the repositories, including the Faculty of Graduate Studies and Research to ensure the deposit of e-theses. Your external involvement will include participation in local, regional and national bodies related to digital repositories in order to maximize service available to campus users. The University of Alberta Library is Canada's second largest research library, with an active program of electronic information products, Web development supporting collections and services, and digital library initiatives in areas such as document delivery, graphic image and data collections, and Internet resource cataloguing. For more information, visit our web site at www.library.ualberta.ca. Qualifications, Preferred Skills and Experience: Master of Library Science from an ALA accredited institution. Knowledge of marketing strategies appropriate to libraries and to expanding voluntary participation in repository services Knowledge of information technology trends and their application to emerging digital library issues such as image display, metadata standards, authentication, integration/reference linking technologies, search standards and protocols Knowledge of GIS applications and services; skills in ArcGIS or other GIS software would be an asset. Strong communication and interpersonal skills, and successful participation in collaborative work environments. Experience in the liaison role highly desirable. Front line experience in library public services and collection development an asset. Enthusiasm, resourcefulness, organizational skills, and a sense of humour are essential. Ability to work independently and meet deadlines. Salary and Rank: This tenure-track position is classified at the Librarian 2 level with a current salary range of $65,571 to $104,291. Librarians at the University of Alberta have academic status and participate in a generous benefits program. Closing date for the position is March 23rd, 2007. To Apply: Please mail, fax or e-mail your resume and the names of three references to: Karen Adams Director of Library Services and Information Resources Cameron Library University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2J8 Fax: (780) 492-8302 E-mail: karen.adams@ualberta.ca Established in 1908 as a board-governed, public institution, the University of Alberta has earned the reputation of being one of the best universities in Canada based on our strengths in teaching, research and services. The University of Alberta serves over 36,000 students in more than 200 undergraduate programs and 170 graduate programs (www.ualberta.ca). The University's main campus is located in Edmonton, the cosmopolitan capital of the province of Alberta. The Edmonton metropolitan area is the sixth largest in the country with a population of approximately one million people (http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server.pt ). Edmonton is home to vibrant cultural events, a system of river valley parks and trails, and is located only a few hours drive from Banff and Jasper National Parks, which offer skiing in winter and excellent hiking and sightseeing in summer. The University of Alberta hires on the basis of merit. We are committed to the principle of equity in employment. We welcome diversity and encourage applications from all qualified women and men, including persons with disabilities, members of visible minorities, and Aboriginal persons. Peter Binkley Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley@ualberta.ca From drweb at san.rr.com Wed Feb 14 16:44:53 2007 From: drweb at san.rr.com (drweb@san.rr.com) Date: Wed Feb 14 16:45:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Laptop lending, public libraries' survey.. Message-ID: * Apologies for cross-posting, if you see more than once * Request for Survey Help / Public Libraries This is a message from San Diego Public Library. Some of you may have seen a post by Karen Schneider on web4lib or publib on laptop checkout security on 2/7/2007. Here's a link to the thread of the web4lib posts, for your information: http://tinyurl.com/23grtr San Diego Public Library has a fledgling laptop lending program in the early stages, and we've posted a short 10-question survey on SurveyMonkey for public libraries. This survey is about laptop lending overall, rather than just about laptop lending security. Below is the link, and we ask you to complete the brief survey. Survey Link http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=734083289937 The short two screens of questions should take about 5 minutes to complete. The online survey will close on Friday, February 16, 2007, at 2p.m. Pacific Standard Time. As always for your help, we'll share the responses with you afterwards, without identifying any specific libraries in the summary data. Please indicate your library in the final survey item. If you think someone in your organization can better complete the survey, please point them to the survey link. Thanks for helping... Best regards, Michael P. Michael McCulley, Librarian II / Information & Technology San Diego Public Library, 820 E Street, CA 92101-4806 Phone: 619-238-6678 / FAX: 619-238-6639 E-mail: mailto:mmcculley@sandiego.gov From ssalomone at metro.org Thu Feb 15 03:16:28 2007 From: ssalomone at metro.org (Susan Salomone) Date: Thu Feb 15 03:39:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] New METRO Job Magnet Posting: Web Services Librarian (Columbia University Libraries) Message-ID: <009001c750d9$9854fb60$0200a8c0@desktop> Please excuse cross-postings. This message is being posted to multiple lists. ? Columbia University Libraries recently posted a METRO Magnet announcement for a Web Services Librarian. The METRO Magnet is the online career center and job bank maintained by the Metropolitan New York Library Council (www.metro.org). For more information about the position and the application process, please see the announcement at http://metrojobs.metro.org?a=j&ID=VYCK4ANBNT. ? Other jobs and RSS subscription information may be found by visiting the METRO Magnet home page at www.metro.org/magnet. Please note that the RSS feed is now at http://mercury.metro.org/rss/AK5B-latestposting.xml. ? Susan Salomone ssalomone@metro.org METRO Magnet Project Manager Metropolitan New York Library Council (New York, New York) From micah at raincross-tech.com Thu Feb 15 13:59:57 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Thu Feb 15 13:57:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? Message-ID: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> You might find this article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing From leah.krevit at exch.library.tmc.edu Thu Feb 15 14:07:29 2007 From: leah.krevit at exch.library.tmc.edu (Leah Krevit) Date: Thu Feb 15 14:07:34 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> References: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <5637D09D61DECB41940C180CA96CFA82A0DF13@mail.hamtmcl.local> Well, yes, but don't forget this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_failing Interesting essays, both. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Micah Stevens Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:00 PM To: (web4lib@webjunction.org) Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? You might find this article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu Thu Feb 15 14:21:24 2007 From: gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu (Grace J. Agnew) Date: Thu Feb 15 14:21:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> References: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <45D4B2B4.3050202@rci.rutgers.edu> Interesting. There is a page at bottom, linked to this page, called Wikipedia is Not Failing. that appears to be written by Wikipedia administration. This would indicate to me that the Wikipedia administration is aware of the first article and their response is not to pull it or edit it, but to link a polite rebuttal to the page. Do we think anyone else, (e.g., Google) would react in a similar fashion. I believe this healthy and well mannered response to a reasoned critique shows that Wikipedia is not failing. Grace Agnew Micah Stevens wrote: > You might find this article interesting: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From holight at llcoop.org Thu Feb 15 16:34:05 2007 From: holight at llcoop.org (Lin Light) Date: Thu Feb 15 16:35:05 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online games for kids dept Message-ID: <000301c75149$05022e80$172810ac@herrickdl.local> Right now we have games running of CDs on computers in the Children's Department. A real pain to configure on a network and we are routinely call to install a new game and uninstall the new. Also you can only have one game installed at a time on a machine. What I would like is to find some sites, Pay per view is ok, that would offer up a number of games. This way I can have more then one game on a computer. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Lin Lin Light Head of Technical & Automated Services Herrick District Library Holland, Michigan 616.355.3727 Voice 616.355.1426 Fax llight@herrickdl.org From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 17:00:36 2007 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Thu Feb 15 17:00:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] =?iso-8859-1?q?An_empirical_examination_of_Wikipedia?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=92s_credibility_=28FirstMonday_article=29?= Message-ID: <610462.55087.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chesney, Thomas. An empirical examination of Wikipedia?s credibility. First Monday, volume 11, number 11 (November 2006) http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue11_11/chesney/index.html From the abstract: ?This short study examines Wikipedia?s credibility by asking 258 research staff with a response rate of 21 percent, to read an article and assess its credibility, the credibility of its author and the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole. Staff were either given an article in their own expert domain or a random article. No difference was found between the two group in terms of their perceived credibility of Wikipedia or of the articles? authors, but a difference was found in the credibility of the articles ? the experts found Wikipedia?s articles to be more credible than the non?experts. This suggests that the accuracy of Wikipedia is high. However, the results should not be seen as support for Wikipedia as a totally reliable resource as, according to the experts, 13 percent of the articles contain mistakes.? Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. From ecraig at cnr.edu Thu Feb 15 17:57:15 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Thu Feb 15 17:57:21 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <45D4B2B4.3050202@rci.rutgers.edu> References: <45D4ADAD.2080302@raincross-tech.com> <45D4B2B4.3050202@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72464@adams.cnr.edu> The Wikipedia is / is not failing debate is an in interesting one, though I doubt there is a definitive answer. But I think the real question is whether or not the entire project can sustain itself over the long term. The critical questions revolve around the notion of self-interest and the level of energy required for Wikipedia's survival. Eric Goldman's blog post hit the mark back in December with his thesis that Wikipedia will soon fold under the weight of marketers and self-promoters, that volunteer editors will eventually grow weary of maintaining its integrity: http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm Goldman made his original prediction in 2005 and gave Wikipedia five more years. Clearly, he'd love to be in the wrong on this and I hope he is. However, put Wikipedia next to Google and the contrast is striking. We also do Google's work (every time we search, every time we add a link), but we never think of it that way (the actions are entirely dictated by our self-interest). With Wikipedia, does it help a contributor to improve any of the 1.6 million articles? Only indirectly in that one has a sense of gratification in sharing knowledge and helping out with an amazing social experiment. While that indirect satisfaction is important and sustains most of our charities and nonprofits, it remains to be seen if it can sustain the volunteer editors who have to put in so many hours to make it work. I'm not sure where I stand on this and surely do not want to undervalue everyone's' efforts in Wikipedia (including my own, btw). In one ear, I keep hearing the words of Margaret Mead that the dedication of a few can surmount any obstacle. But a skeptical voice keeps whispering in the other that this, too, may go the way of the Open Directory Project. -e P.s., Thanks Bernie for the link to the Chesney article - an interesting read. Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Grace J. Agnew Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:21 PM To: Micah Stevens Cc: (web4lib@webjunction.org) Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? Interesting. There is a page at bottom, linked to this page, called Wikipedia is Not Failing. that appears to be written by Wikipedia administration. This would indicate to me that the Wikipedia administration is aware of the first article and their response is not to pull it or edit it, but to link a polite rebuttal to the page. Do we think anyone else, (e.g., Google) would react in a similar fashion. I believe this healthy and well mannered response to a reasoned critique shows that Wikipedia is not failing. Grace Agnew Micah Stevens wrote: > You might find this article interesting: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From EAH0116 at ecu.edu Thu Feb 15 21:54:02 2007 From: EAH0116 at ecu.edu (Hirst, Edward Alan, Jr) Date: Thu Feb 15 21:57:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online games for kids dept References: <000301c75149$05022e80$172810ac@herrickdl.local> Message-ID: <692A06C6C9175146AC226FBF6E5D8FBDD11206@ecust3.intra.ecu.edu> We copied the game cd into a folder named after the game onto the hard drive then ran the install program from the folder. Now all of our games run from the hard drive not the cd. Edward Edward Hirst Information Technology Librarian Rowan Public Library http://www.rowanpubliclibrary.org Salisbury, NC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Lin Light Sent: Thu 2/15/2007 4:34 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; publib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Online games for kids dept Right now we have games running of CDs on computers in the Children's Department. A real pain to configure on a network and we are routinely call to install a new game and uninstall the new. Also you can only have one game installed at a time on a machine. What I would like is to find some sites, Pay per view is ok, that would offer up a number of games. This way I can have more then one game on a computer. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Lin Lin Light Head of Technical & Automated Services Herrick District Library Holland, Michigan 616.355.3727 Voice 616.355.1426 Fax llight@herrickdl.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From vctinney at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 16 00:21:47 2007 From: vctinney at sbcglobal.net (Chris Tinney) Date: Fri Feb 16 00:21:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia Is Failing and Is Not Failing In-Reply-To: <5637D09D61DECB41940C180CA96CFA82A0DF13@mail.hamtmcl.local> Message-ID: <352977.10171.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Leah Krevit wrote: Well, yes, but don't forget this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_failing Interesting essays, both. . . . On Behalf Of Micah Stevens Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:00 PM To: (web4lib@webjunction.org) Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? You might find this article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing Wikipedia Is Failing and Is Not Failing: Wikipedia is Failing by not restricting direct links to pornography and adult / illegal web sites within the internal format of the structure of the encyclopedia, as a whole. Wikipedia must have an internal mechanism that will automatically restrict searches that have questionable content, to an enclosed sub set. Wikipedia is not Failing in the tremendous good is it doing, in the dissemination of knowledge, worldwide. I note at Web Pages for Scholarly Societies: http://www.academic-genealogy.com/archives.htm#Scholarly the Scholarly Societies Project lists "4117 Scholarly Societies with 3787 Websites". Self interest in the scholarly community will require evaluation of Wikipedia over time, that will of necessity maintain the continued use and value of Wikipedia. I predict that it will be a requirement, over time, for college classes, under the direction of specialized educators, to review, evaluate, and submit corrected web pages and resources to Wikipedia, within the self interest concerns of particular disciplines. I predict that within the self interest of nationalism, that many articles will be reviewed and made "politically correct", as time goes on. Change this to religious interests, social group interests, etc. There are many ways to overcome limitations. Example: Regional Genealogy and Local History Research has http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regionalgenealogy.htm#amercenso worldwide research connections, with many Wikipedia articles placed first in "BOLD" typing. These are regularly followed by resources reviewed and suggested by the Library of Congress Portals to the World resources, as well as other pertinent local and regional interests. As Educational Publications and Online Digital Libraries http://www.academic-genealogy.com/bookspublicationsgenealogical.htm#Edpub expand and increase worldwide, the means will be made available, to cross reference all articles with scholarly works of similar interest, or other primary source documents. Wikipedia should become therefore, the backbone of the scholarly community; an excellent resource research tool for the popular researching of genealogy and family history online; also, the worldwide extension of general and advanced education resources to the less fortunate, under educated members of our worldwide community. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ From bokuno at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 00:28:08 2007 From: bokuno at gmail.com (Bokuno) Date: Fri Feb 16 00:28:14 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online games for kids dept In-Reply-To: References: <000301c75149$05022e80$172810ac@herrickdl.local> <692A06C6C9175146AC226FBF6E5D8FBDD11206@ecust3.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: Even better: Use a kids' computer to install games to shared folders on a file server. Some of the files end up on the PC (DLLs, config files, etc.), but the binaries end up on the server. Copy the local files (and possibly some registry entries) to the other kids' computers. Then any kids PC can run any game, even simultaneously. And it makes it a lot easier when you have to replace a defective kids' computer; just copy some local files and registry entries and you're done. It's a little trickier than I'm making it sound, but a clever technician can make it work very well if you have a fast network. (But do make sure you own enough licenses to do this legally.) Lucien -- Lucien Kress Kress Consulting http://www.kressconsult.com/ On 2/15/07, Hirst, Edward Alan, Jr wrote: > > We copied the game cd into a folder named after the game onto the hard > drive then ran the install program from the folder. Now all of our games run > from the hard drive not the cd. > > From holight at llcoop.org Fri Feb 16 11:17:26 2007 From: holight at llcoop.org (Lin Light) Date: Fri Feb 16 11:20:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online computer games pt II Message-ID: <001601c751e5$f2fb13d0$172810ac@herrickdl.local> Thanks to all that responded. Now the next question and this is the interesting one. What are you doing to secure the PC or are you? LIn Lin Light Head of Technical & Automated Services Herrick District Library Holland, Michigan 616.355.3727 Voice 616.355.1426 Fax llight@herrickdl.org From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 11:27:38 2007 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Fri Feb 16 11:30:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72464@adams.cnr.edu> Message-ID: <20070216162738.13229.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Craig, Emory" a ?crit?: > will soon fold under the weight of marketers and self-promoters, that > volunteer editors will eventually grow weary of maintaining its > integrity: > I've been editing in Wikipedia for a bit more than four years, at a rather fast pace at first but at a much slower speed about two years ago. I grew weary maintaiing the integrity of articles I started or worked on not at all because of the weight of marketers and self-promoters (there are very few in the kind of out-of-the-way articles I cover like the ones on antique furniture) or child vandals like the ones constantly chipping away at the "Industrial evolution" article but because of the constant renewal of newcomers who decide that they know everything about a topic after reading three or four Web pages on it, or seen two movies on it and then decide that their facts are better than anyone else's and are willing to "shout them down" in a continuous textual fashion, in any series of appeals to consensus-oriented committees made up for the purpose. I'd seen this phenomenon right from the start, in articles I didn't care too much for. As the months and years went by I wondered how long it would be before articles I did care for got this kind of "shouting newcomer" attention and what I would feel about it. One day it happened to one article, because it had been featured, and then to another because a movie indirectly connected with it got some media attention. The shouting newcomers exhausted me very fast. I don't like controversy or arguments, that's why I've always avoided articles surrounding hot topics like Israle or Armenia or Turkey. So it's more than the marketers, the self promoters and the petty vandals that are chipping away, constantly. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From gilbertj at cliu.org Fri Feb 16 12:10:46 2007 From: gilbertj at cliu.org (James M. Gilbert) Date: Fri Feb 16 12:14:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online computer games pt II In-Reply-To: <001601c751e5$f2fb13d0$172810ac@herrickdl.local> References: <001601c751e5$f2fb13d0$172810ac@herrickdl.local> Message-ID: <037401c751ed$65f96290$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Secure the PC? This can be interpreted 2 ways: ... Physically (use of the lock slot and security cabling) ... No, I can't imagine anyone trying to carry or disect a PC here. Should this become a problem, I'll invest in cable and locks. ... Programmatically to prevent users from changing settings / installing uninstalling software, etc. The later end: 1) I run the patron account in LIMITED MODE 2) Almost nothing in START menu (I do keep accessibility features here) 3) All other apps use a desktop link (including some internet shortcuts). 4) I run Centurion's Cornerstone 5) I lock profiles with MS Shared Toolkit James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library 3700 Mechanicsville Road Whitehall, PA 18052 610-432-4339 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lin Light Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:17 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; publib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Online computer games pt II Thanks to all that responded. Now the next question and this is the interesting one. What are you doing to secure the PC or are you? LIn Lin Light Head of Technical & Automated Services Herrick District Library Holland, Michigan 616.355.3727 Voice 616.355.1426 Fax llight@herrickdl.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Fri Feb 16 12:41:19 2007 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (Lynne Puckett) Date: Fri Feb 16 12:42:53 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Online games for kids dept In-Reply-To: References: <000301c75149$05022e80$172810ac@herrickdl.local> <692A06C6C9175146AC226FBF6E5D8FBDD11206@ecust3.intra.ecu.edu> Message-ID: <45D5ECBF.1040501@billings.lib.mt.us> Bokuno wrote: > Even better: > > Use a kids' computer to install games to shared folders on a file server. > Some of the files end up on the PC (DLLs, config files, etc.), but the > binaries end up on the server. Copy the local files (and possibly some > registry entries) to the other kids' computers. Then any kids PC can > run any > game, even simultaneously. And it makes it a lot easier when you have to > replace a defective kids' computer; just copy some local files and > registry > entries and you're done. It's a little trickier than I'm making it sound, > but a clever technician can make it work very well if you have a fast > network. > > (But do make sure you own enough licenses to do this legally.) > > Lucien We avoid the network issue, since we don't have infinite bandwidth & the kids games are heavily used. We copy all the files for every game to the hard drive & run them from there, including installs. Some we do virtual drives on so the computer thinks the CD is there even though it's not. Then we use Ghost to clone the master, and Deep Freeze to lock it down. We buy enough licenses to be legal. Lynne -- L. E. Puckett Networking Systems Librarian Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway, Billings, MT 59101 http://www.billings.lib.mt.us Ph: 406-657-8258 From ecraig at cnr.edu Fri Feb 16 14:44:55 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Fri Feb 16 14:45:01 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <20070216162738.13229.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72464@adams.cnr.edu> <20070216162738.13229.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72473@adams.cnr.edu> Alain, You have a good point and one that Goldman misses -- the "shouting newcomer." If Wikipedia continues to be successful, I think marketers and self-promoters will eventually become an issue (an ex. that comes to mind is MS efforts to hire a blogger to change articles) in the future. But for now, there is enough of a challenge dealing with those whose knowledge is inversely proportional to their desire to be heard. I can see how it would wear you down. -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt [mailto:ndgmtlcd@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:28 AM To: Craig, Emory; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE : RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? --- "Craig, Emory" a ?crit : > will soon fold under the weight of marketers and self-promoters, that > volunteer editors will eventually grow weary of maintaining its > integrity: > I've been editing in Wikipedia for a bit more than four years, at a rather fast pace at first but at a much slower speed about two years ago. I grew weary maintaiing the integrity of articles I started or worked on not at all because of the weight of marketers and self-promoters (there are very few in the kind of out-of-the-way articles I cover like the ones on antique furniture) or child vandals like the ones constantly chipping away at the "Industrial evolution" article but because of the constant renewal of newcomers who decide that they know everything about a topic after reading three or four Web pages on it, or seen two movies on it and then decide that their facts are better than anyone else's and are willing to "shout them down" in a continuous textual fashion, in any series of appeals to consensus-oriented committees made up for the purpose. I'd seen this phenomenon right from the start, in articles I didn't care too much for. As the months and years went by I wondered how long it would be before articles I did care for got this kind of "shouting newcomer" attention and what I would feel about it. One day it happened to one article, because it had been featured, and then to another because a movie indirectly connected with it got some media attention. The shouting newcomers exhausted me very fast. I don't like controversy or arguments, that's why I've always avoided articles surrounding hot topics like Israle or Armenia or Turkey. So it's more than the marketers, the self promoters and the petty vandals that are chipping away, constantly. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From crawforw at oclc.org Fri Feb 16 15:04:45 2007 From: crawforw at oclc.org (Crawford,Walt) Date: Fri Feb 16 15:04:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72473@adams.cnr.edu> Message-ID: The example Emory Craig provides is interesting but tricky: By all accounts, MS was trying to get errors corrected by paying an expert to say *whatever the expert wanted to say*--because MS couldn't do it directly. There was no attempt at secrecy, no attempt to control the message. Wikipedia's response--"Commission a white paper and suggest that we link to it"--was astonishing. Not quite as astonishing as the attitude toward anyone "tampering with" an entry on themselves--unless, of course, they're a Special Case like Cory Doctorow, who apparently is allowed to edit his own entry. Otherwise, you can't say you don't want to be in Wikipedia, you can't correct flagrant errors in your entry (unless you do so via meatpuppet or pseudonym)...well, it makes me happy I'm non-notable (in English, at least). [Yes, I use Wikipedia...as a starting point. Yes, I've made edits...two of them. But also, yes, I have better things to do, especially since Alain V's experience is by no means unique.] Walt Crawford -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Craig, Emory Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:45 AM To: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt; web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? Alain, You have a good point and one that Goldman misses -- the "shouting newcomer." If Wikipedia continues to be successful, I think marketers and self-promoters will eventually become an issue (an ex. that comes to mind is MS efforts to hire a blogger to change articles) in the future. But for now, there is enough of a challenge dealing with those whose knowledge is inversely proportional to their desire to be heard. I can see how it would wear you down. -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt [mailto:ndgmtlcd@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:28 AM To: Craig, Emory; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE : RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? --- "Craig, Emory" a ?crit : > will soon fold under the weight of marketers and self-promoters, that > volunteer editors will eventually grow weary of maintaining its > integrity: > I've been editing in Wikipedia for a bit more than four years, at a rather fast pace at first but at a much slower speed about two years ago. I grew weary maintaiing the integrity of articles I started or worked on not at all because of the weight of marketers and self-promoters (there are very few in the kind of out-of-the-way articles I cover like the ones on antique furniture) or child vandals like the ones constantly chipping away at the "Industrial evolution" article but because of the constant renewal of newcomers who decide that they know everything about a topic after reading three or four Web pages on it, or seen two movies on it and then decide that their facts are better than anyone else's and are willing to "shout them down" in a continuous textual fashion, in any series of appeals to consensus-oriented committees made up for the purpose. I'd seen this phenomenon right from the start, in articles I didn't care too much for. As the months and years went by I wondered how long it would be before articles I did care for got this kind of "shouting newcomer" attention and what I would feel about it. One day it happened to one article, because it had been featured, and then to another because a movie indirectly connected with it got some media attention. The shouting newcomers exhausted me very fast. I don't like controversy or arguments, that's why I've always avoided articles surrounding hot topics like Israle or Armenia or Turkey. So it's more than the marketers, the self promoters and the petty vandals that are chipping away, constantly. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From michele.haytko at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 15:28:51 2007 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Fri Feb 16 15:28:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Computer Lab User Manuals Message-ID: <15e475fa0702161228l68ba55f4i7d188155ec5f017b@mail.gmail.com> I apologize for the cross postings. Does anyone have help guides for the users of their public access computer labs? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michele -- We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 16:02:34 2007 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Fri Feb 16 16:02:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Hilarious video: help desk explains the book Message-ID: Any librarian, or anyone who ever worked on a help desk, will find this video hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU If this is a repost I will think up some riposte. If you haven't seen the video, check it out. /rich From HUNT_STEVE at smc.edu Fri Feb 16 19:37:34 2007 From: HUNT_STEVE at smc.edu (HUNT_STEVE) Date: Fri Feb 16 19:37:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Top Web Tools for College Students Message-ID: <830F50945591CE4697D903C9F59DC5A802B4CE63@ROMULUS.smc.edu> Two lists here, some overlap. Other than Wikipedia, how many did you know about? Top Web Tools for College Students http://www.nextstudent.com/NextPath/nextPath-Online/Top-Web-Tools-for-Co llege-Students.asp And Top 10 Web Tools For College Students http://www.educatednation.com/2006/08/16/tools-for-students/ Steve Hunt Systems Librarian Santa Monica College Library Santa Monica, Calif. From aks4lis at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 15:17:21 2007 From: aks4lis at yahoo.com (Ali Shaker) Date: Sat Feb 17 15:17:26 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Librarians as Webmasters: Survey Results Message-ID: <890703.57555.qm@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Colleagues, About three weeks ago, I distributed a short survey to web4lib subscribers. The main goal of the survey was twofold: to determine the job tasks/skills of library webmasters, and to evaluate the academic preparation for this job by LIS schools. 26 librarians have kindly replyied the survey. The major findings were as follows: (1) graduation year: 75% of library webmasters have graduated after 1995, during the past 10 years. (2) one third of library webmasters are working on this position for more than 5 years. (3) 1st job after graduation?: one third of library webmaster worked in this position directly upon graduation. For the other two thirds, this position was second job, mostly. (4) methods of acquiyring webmastering skills: in the following order (1) self-study, (2) LIS school, (3) practice/experience, (4) in-the-job training. (5) most-useful courses at LIS school: 40% none, 40% just one course (mostly web design course, but there are also courses like cataloging (for information organization, digital libraries, information architecture, HTML). (6) in-the-job training: 15 out of 26 said yes, but with "self-study" also. 8 said no, just self-study. (7) minimum skills for entry-level webmasters: general skills, in the following order: (networks and Internet, general computer programming, information architecture, project management, information organization, and usability and accessibility). Web skills, in the following order: (HTML/XHTML, Web programming (php, javascript, etc.), CSS, WYSIWYG (i.e., FrontPage, Dreamweaver), Web-enabled databases, CMSs, XML, Photoshop). Thank you all who replyied the survey. I hope these results are useful to current and future library webmasters, and also to academics at LIS schools. Dr. Ali K. Shaker Department of Library and Information Science Minia University, Egypt http://aks4lis.net for a better generation of guardians of information! From david.rothman at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 06:06:31 2007 From: david.rothman at gmail.com (David Rothman) Date: Sun Feb 18 06:06:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? Message-ID: Links below feature scripts (or tools which generate scripts) that are claimed to generate mailto: links for a page that is viewable to the user, but that cannot be harvested by spambots. - http://www.willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/aelgwase.html - http://www.joemaller.com/js-mailer.shtml - http://med.stanford.edu/irt/web/clips/javascript-antispam.html - http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/email/ - http://mailtoprotector.com/ Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? From beanworks at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 07:38:51 2007 From: beanworks at gmail.com (Carol Bean) Date: Sun Feb 18 07:38:56 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8386e5430702180438i188ce368ndb4e5fc5d7a89c37@mail.gmail.com> This topic was discussed on Web4Lib back in September (9/13/06 - 9/14/06): http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/2006-September/041631.html On 2/18/07, David Rothman wrote: > > Links below feature scripts (or tools which generate scripts) that are > claimed to generate mailto: links for a page that is viewable to the user, > but that cannot be harvested by spambots. > > > - http://www.willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/aelgwase.html > - http://www.joemaller.com/js-mailer.shtml > - http://med.stanford.edu/irt/web/clips/javascript-antispam.html > - http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/email/ > - http://mailtoprotector.com/ > > > Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From tim at librarything.com Sun Feb 18 07:58:54 2007 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Sun Feb 18 07:58:58 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> Javascript obfuscation works very well. The chance that someone will mention the library emails elsewhere?forum, a resume, etc.?is a thousand times higher than the chance someone will write a bot that defeats your JavaScript. Here's a simple one that both writes the email and a mailto: link around it. There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's rare, but, in the real world very many people don't have their system configured to make mailto: links work. (Generally they use a web-based ap, but the mailto still points to the default desktop ap.?probably Outlook.) This isn't just grandma. I don't have mine set up either! (Side note; This is also why you should never ever have a mailto: link under innocuous text like "contact.") In my opinion the best solution is to just show the email. Give the user the work of putting it into their email program. They won't mind. To show it safely, use a graphic in place of the at sign. Then give it descriptive "alt" text for blind-accessibility like: tim[at sign]librarything.com Best, Tim On 2/18/07, David Rothman wrote: > Links below feature scripts (or tools which generate scripts) that are > claimed to generate mailto: links for a page that is viewable to the user, > but that cannot be harvested by spambots. > > > - http://www.willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/aelgwase.html > - http://www.joemaller.com/js-mailer.shtml > - http://med.stanford.edu/irt/web/clips/javascript-antispam.html > - http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/email/ > - http://mailtoprotector.com/ > > > Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From dorman at indexdata.com Sun Feb 18 09:22:37 2007 From: dorman at indexdata.com (David Dorman) Date: Sun Feb 18 09:23:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha Message-ID: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> Recently encountered in my inbox and presented anonymously to protect the guilty: "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. and it only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." David David Dorman US Marketing Manager, Index Data 52 Whitman Ave. West Hartford, Connecticut 06107 dorman@indexdata.com 860-389-1568 or toll free 866-489-1568 fax: 860-561-5613 INDEX DATA Means Business for Open Source and Open Standards - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.indexdata.com From lists at lisnews.com Sun Feb 18 09:43:07 2007 From: lists at lisnews.com (Blake Carver) Date: Sun Feb 18 09:43:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? Message-ID: <443e04510702180643h3031a2fakfbd41d166e493d25@mail.gmail.com> Hi All I'm curious about proxy servers similiar to ezproxy, is anyone using similiar systems for comparison? Thanks Blake Carver From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Sun Feb 18 11:13:24 2007 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:13:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully > accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's Of course huge swaths of the internets don't work for these people, as well, so they have somehow learned to cope with disappointment. Basically, I wouldn't let this argument deter anyone. -Ross. From lars at aronsson.se Sun Feb 18 11:25:47 2007 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:24:17 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: David Dorman wrote: > Recently encountered in my inbox and presented anonymously to protect the > guilty: > "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. and it > only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." What this really tells us is what people have come to *expect* from an encyclopedia, rather than what Wikipedia really is. Traditionally, encyclopedias were a gift to kids when they went to college, before the PC took on that role. The cost of purchase ($1000?) divided by the number of times people actually look something up (once a month?) in their encyclopedia over its lifetime (10 years? = 120 months) can be quite high ($1000 / 120 = $8.30 per lookup). But despite this, encyclopedias sold very well, not because of their usefulness but because of the prestige. The founders of Wikipedia really wanted to create an encyclopedia, as opposed to the creators of Americana, World Book or Britannica, who actually wanted to earn money from *selling* that prestige, where the creation of an encyclopedia was merely a necessary cost. It is a fact that Wikipedia can be used as an authority in some discussions, but this says nothing of Wikipedia or its founders, and everything about the people who accept such arguments. When somebody points to an authority, we should do like dogs: look at the pointing finger, rather than look in its direction. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned for Wikipedia: People can use and are obviously willing to pay for the prestige of knowledge, even if it is entirely separated from actual knowledge. The CDROM or DVD encyclopedia (Encarta) may contain the same amount of actual knowledge, but people aren't prepared to pay the same $1000 for a DVD as for 20 bound volumes of a printed encyclopedia. The online, community-built Wikipedia pulls in even less money. What this business needs to figure out is a way to pull in the same old $1000 per subscriber, from people who need the prestigeous symbol rather than the actual contents. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Feb 18 11:30:28 2007 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:30:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D87F24.7050603@ohiolink.edu> On 2/18/2007 6:06 AM, David Rothman wrote: > > Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? You're approaching this by asking what's best for you. Look at it from your users' persepctive. They're probably already tentative about contacting a stranger. If they're going to do so, they just want the simplest way to contact you, regardless of their browser settings, accessibility issues, etc. So just put up a regular old mailto: link where it's appropriate, and get yourself a good spam and security filter. Or, build a good contact form that cc's the user and is chock full of security and anti-form-spam checks. -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From tim at librarything.com Sun Feb 18 11:47:00 2007 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:47:08 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0702180847o6872b180r18b596c0cceb88dc@mail.gmail.com> Ross, I should have added that, unless I've very mistaken, screen readers don't use JS. Otherwise, I wouldn't care. The people who leave JS off for security reasons will soon be rounded up anyway. I'm not an accessibility nut, but if you can do it without JS, and it's simpler, I'd avoid it. Thomas, >So just put up a regular old mailto: linkwhere it's appropriate, and get yourself a good spam and security filter. Do mailto links *ever* work for web-based email? Tim On 2/18/07, Ross Singer wrote: > On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > > > There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully > > accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's > > Of course huge swaths of the internets don't work for these people, as > well, so they have somehow learned to cope with disappointment. > > Basically, I wouldn't let this argument deter anyone. > > -Ross. > From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 12:15:34 2007 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Sun Feb 18 12:15:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> > > "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. > and it only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." > That's really cute, but is it true? Many of the basic articles are patrolled so tightly at such a high frequency that such a self centered edit would be reverted in a matter of seconds. Gotta be fast, real fast in saying and then acting out on "heylookwikipediasaysImrightandyourewrong". And then there's the 500 or so articles I've been watching for several years. I just haven't seen that kind of edit, or what could be that kind of edit very often. On the other hand, in the last forty years or so I've seen a lot of persons interpret a printed source as they wished to "prove" that they were right and others were wrong. I've seen this in day to day arguments as well as scholarly writings. My best source of fun in the latter comes from a study that came out as an article titled "'Memex' as an image of potentiality in information retrieval research and development" by Linda C. Smith. In her study Linda C. Smith showed, by a thorough analysis of those articles which cited Vannevar Bush's 1945 "As We May Think" article, that shcolars quoted what they wanted in order to prove what they wanted regardless of the original intent of the author, Vannevar Bush and the presence of contradictory statments in other places in the text. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From OBrien at law.ufl.edu Sun Feb 18 14:19:25 2007 From: OBrien at law.ufl.edu (Maryellen O'Brien) Date: Sun Feb 18 14:19:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D86070.89B5.00F3.0@law.ufl.edu> I thought this might be of interest: web4lib@webjunction.org Maryellen O'Brien, J.D., M.L.S. Electronic Services/Reference Librarian Lawton Chiles Legal Information Center Levin College of Law University of Florida P.O. Box 117628 Gainesville, FL 32611 (352) 273-0726 >>> "Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt" 2/18/2007 12:15 PM >>> > > "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. > and it only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." > That's really cute, but is it true? Many of the basic articles are patrolled so tightly at such a high frequency that such a self centered edit would be reverted in a matter of seconds. Gotta be fast, real fast in saying and then acting out on "heylookwikipediasaysImrightandyourewrong". And then there's the 500 or so articles I've been watching for several years. I just haven't seen that kind of edit, or what could be that kind of edit very often. On the other hand, in the last forty years or so I've seen a lot of persons interpret a printed source as they wished to "prove" that they were right and others were wrong. I've seen this in day to day arguments as well as scholarly writings. My best source of fun in the latter comes from a study that came out as an article titled "'Memex' as an image of potentiality in information retrieval research and development" by Linda C. Smith. In her study Linda C. Smith showed, by a thorough analysis of those articles which cited Vannevar Bush's 1945 "As We May Think" article, that shcolars quoted what they wanted in order to prove what they wanted regardless of the original intent of the author, Vannevar Bush and the presence of contradictory statments in other places in the text. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca ( http://mail.yahoo.ca/ ) Yahoo! Courriel _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HUNT_STEVE at smc.edu Sun Feb 18 14:22:50 2007 From: HUNT_STEVE at smc.edu (HUNT_STEVE) Date: Sun Feb 18 14:25:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? References: <443e04510702180643h3031a2fakfbd41d166e493d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <830F50945591CE4697D903C9F59DC5A80689F984@ROMULUS.smc.edu> There is libproxy by Richard Goerwitz: http://www.goerwitz.com/software/libproxy/dist There is also Brown University's Web Authentication System, which may or may not be the same thing (Goerwitz is associated with this one too): http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/CIS/Network_Services/web-auth/index.shtml Steve Hunt Santa Monica College Library Santa Monica, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Blake Carver Sent: Sun 2/18/2007 6:43 AM To: Web4Lib (web4lib@webjunction.org) Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? Hi All I'm curious about proxy servers similiar to ezproxy, is anyone using similiar systems for comparison? Thanks Blake Carver _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 14:35:05 2007 From: robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com (Robert Sullivan) Date: Sun Feb 18 14:35:11 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702180847o6872b180r18b596c0cceb88dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <63d3c8ce0702180847o6872b180r18b596c0cceb88dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32c265400702181135r31596a60m744062acb8990ec7@mail.gmail.com> > Do mailto links *ever* work for web-based email? DefaultMail will enable you to set a Web-based system to come up when you click a mailto: link... although you'll need to enter the address yourself (or at least that's the way it works for us). -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive Schenectady County (NY) Public Library From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Sun Feb 18 17:39:42 2007 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Sun Feb 18 17:39:46 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha Message-ID: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF9FB@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:26 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha >Traditionally, encyclopedias were a gift to kids when they went to college, before the PC took on that role. The cost of purchase ($1000?) divided by the number of times people actually look something up (once a month?) in their encyclopedia over its lifetime (10 years? = 120 months) can be quite high ($1000 / 120 = $8.30 per lookup). But despite this, encyclopedias sold very well, not because >of their usefulness but because of the prestige. An interesting addendum to this. In the early days of my parents' marriage, they lived for a time in Oak Ridge, TN while my father, a chemical engineering grad student, did work at the labs there. To earn a little extra money my mother sold encyclopedias door to door. She would go into the poor neighborhoods and 'hollers' sometimes to sell. This was when you could basically buy a volume at a time, paying over time. This appealed to the mostly illiterate mothers who answered the door, as they saw encyclopedias and the knowledge they contained as a 'way out' for their children. They would choose to scrape together funds from their housekeeping money to buy the set over time. So clearly the 'prestige' you're talking about was well planted in the American psyche to good marketing effect. My mother tells this story with sadness, especially when she relates that more than half the time, the fathers would come home and tell their wives to cancel the order, because their kids didn't need an encyclopedia to work in the mines or whatever. So, limited prestige, ultimately. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org From tomkeays at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 17:41:27 2007 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Sun Feb 18 17:41:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702180847o6872b180r18b596c0cceb88dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <63d3c8ce0702180847o6872b180r18b596c0cceb88dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00702181441i155fa42n4fa8f9dbf25d4ddf@mail.gmail.com> On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > Do mailto links *ever* work for web-based email? Depends on the browser, I guess. They work with Opera, provided you set up an Opera web email account (so... not really so much then). They work with Firefox and just about any web email (I use Gmail) using the WebmailCompose extension. I've never encountered a problem with it. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/206/ -- Tom From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Sun Feb 18 18:31:25 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Sun Feb 18 18:31:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha References: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF9FB@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> Message-ID: I am one of those kids where our parents got World Book back in 1958. I read every volume of that encyclopedia skimming over article that did not interest me but reading in entirety those that did. We were a blue collar family. My father worked on farms and in feed stores as well as a stone quarry at one point. We got annual volumes for that World Book up until I was in high school. It was still on the shelves of my Dad's house when he sold it four years ago. Th encyclopedia was actaully sold to us by my elementary school principal wh was alos a close friend of our family. We also spent many hours in the Tompkins Public Library almost every Saturday. My mother and father were avid readers, my father still is! To make this relevant to Web4Lib, My son and daughter read articles in Wikipedia in much the same manner. We actually had a complete set of Britannica from 1990 that was discarded by my library when the library got a new version. I also have other reference books that I kept after doing reviews for Choice Magazine. My real rpize is the complete Grzimek's Encyclopedia fo Mammals. It cost over $800 when I reviewed it 15 years ago. It is now well worn. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Louise Alcorn Sent: Sun 2/18/2007 5:39 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:26 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha >Traditionally, encyclopedias were a gift to kids when they went to college, before the PC took on that role. The cost of purchase ($1000?) divided by the number of times people actually look something up (once a month?) in their encyclopedia over its lifetime (10 years? = 120 months) can be quite high ($1000 / 120 = $8.30 per lookup). But despite this, encyclopedias sold very well, not because >of their usefulness but because of the prestige. From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 20:35:05 2007 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Sun Feb 18 20:35:09 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And this is precisely what I worry about: the authenticity of Wikipedia's long tail. I've already cited the particulars of my personal episode with totally false information on Wikipedia concerning the history of computing at Michigan State, so I won't relay the episode again here. I will repeat that Wikipedia zealots are more interested in Wikipedia etiquette than in the truth. What that episode caused me to realize is this: -- Since anyone can publish an article on any topic, the Wikipedia corpus will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print encyclopedia has a budget, and articles on very obscure topics won't get published. The Britannica will never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. -- On Wikipedia the article on "Why is the sky blue?" will be constantly checked and corrected if a numbskull edits it to say "Because Crayola says so." So the short head will be relatively reliable. -- An article on an obscure topic won't be checked, and will live to be cited as authority someday when finally someone stumbles on it. -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long tail. And it will have an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. /rich On 2/18/07, Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt wrote: > > > > > "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. > > and it only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." > > > > That's really cute, but is it true? > > Many of the basic articles are patrolled so tightly at such a high > frequency that such a self centered edit would be reverted in a matter > of seconds. Gotta be fast, real fast in saying and then acting out on > "heylookwikipediasaysImrightandyourewrong". > > From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 21:42:51 2007 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Sun Feb 18 21:42:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <180994.7328.qm@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, the short head and long tail is an interesting way of putting it, but it's a bit more complicated. For one, there is an overabundance of science and technical (computer programming mostly) in the short head, to the point that it overflows into the "torso". Then, there's the fact that the long tail is not really a tail, since it is not true that one can write any article on any kind of obscure topic any time. Even the obscure articles are patrolled for "notability". It doesn't always work, but it means that there is actually no precise tail forming and it's hard to tell apart an "obscure" article on a nearly unknown 19th century author with absolutely no importance from an extremely scholarly one dealing with specialized topics in History or Artisan crafts. Or it might be the other way around with insignificant crafts and , since unlike a tail there's no precise end or beginning. There certainly are Wikipedia "editors" who could be called zealots but you can't lump them all in one group of zealots. Also there,s a question of zeal and Faith and there's also a question of Order and Beauty. For you they are etiquette-mad. For other groups, such as Web comics artists who have had rotten experiences with the "bad editors" at Wikipedia those regulars are anal-retentive sorts who want to put everything on catalog cards and then find joy in sorting them. They never use the words "frustrated librarians" to describe those "bad editor" cliques at Wikipedia but all the stereotypes are there. You see zealots, possessed with Faith, and ignorant of Truth and they, (the foiled Web comics creators) see frustrated monomaniacs who are more interested in a petty ordering of their chosen limited knowledge than in reporting on Art and Beauty. The bad guys deleted their Web comics articles you see, and when a few of them fought back using Wikipedia rules, the Order-mad "bad-editors" (cousins to the etiquette zealots most probably) started attacking (with the deletion process) many other articles surrounding Web comics, like the Oni Press article, in a show of petty vindictive actions. Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a mammal here, but with a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or tail and with a rich symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a social animal, but not the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you come home or go into the barn. Alain Vaillancourt --- Richard Wiggins a ?crit : > And this is precisely what I worry about: the authenticity of > Wikipedia's > long tail. > > I've already cited the particulars of my personal episode with > totally false > information on Wikipedia concerning the history of computing at > Michigan > State, so I won't relay the episode again here. I will repeat that > Wikipedia zealots are more interested in Wikipedia etiquette than in > the > truth. > > What that episode caused me to realize is this: > > -- Since anyone can publish an article on any topic, the Wikipedia > corpus > will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print encyclopedia has a > budget, and > articles on very obscure topics won't get published. The Britannica > will > never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. > > -- On Wikipedia the article on "Why is the sky blue?" will be > constantly > checked and corrected if a numbskull edits it to say "Because Crayola > says > so." So the short head will be relatively reliable. > > -- An article on an obscure topic won't be checked, and will live to > be > cited as authority someday when finally someone stumbles on it. > > -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long tail. And it will > have > an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. > > /rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 23:08:39 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Sun Feb 18 23:08:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Galactia In-Reply-To: <180994.7328.qm@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560169.94794.qm@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> under what wikipedia heading would this entry appear? --- "Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt" wrote: > Yes, the short head and long tail is an interesting > way of putting it, > but it's a bit more complicated. > > For one, there is an overabundance of science and > technical (computer > programming mostly) in the short head, to the point > that it overflows > into the "torso". > > Then, there's the fact that the long tail is not > really a tail, since > it is not true that one can write any article on any > kind of obscure > topic any time. Even the obscure articles are > patrolled for > "notability". It doesn't always work, but it means > that there is > actually no precise tail forming and it's hard to > tell apart an > "obscure" article on a nearly unknown 19th century > author with > absolutely no importance from an extremely scholarly > one dealing with > specialized topics in History or Artisan crafts. Or > it might be the > other way around with insignificant crafts and , > since unlike a tail > there's no precise end or beginning. > > There certainly are Wikipedia "editors" who could be > called zealots but > you can't lump them all in one group of zealots. > Also there,s a > question of zeal and Faith and there's also a > question of Order and > Beauty. For you they are etiquette-mad. For other > groups, such as Web > comics artists who have had rotten experiences with > the "bad editors" > at Wikipedia those regulars are anal-retentive sorts > who want to put > everything on catalog cards and then find joy in > sorting them. They > never use the words "frustrated librarians" to > describe those "bad > editor" cliques at Wikipedia but all the stereotypes > are there. > > You see zealots, possessed with Faith, and ignorant > of Truth and they, > (the foiled Web comics creators) see frustrated > monomaniacs who are > more interested in a petty ordering of their chosen > limited knowledge > than in reporting on Art and Beauty. The bad guys > deleted their Web > comics articles you see, and when a few of them > fought back using > Wikipedia rules, the Order-mad "bad-editors" > (cousins to the etiquette > zealots most probably) started attacking (with the > deletion process) > many other articles surrounding Web comics, like the > Oni Press article, > in a show of petty vindictive actions. > > Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a > mammal here, but with > a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or > tail and with a rich > symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a > social animal, but not > the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you > come home or go into > the barn. > > Alain Vaillancourt > > --- Richard Wiggins a > ?crit : > > > And this is precisely what I worry about: the > authenticity of > > Wikipedia's > > long tail. > > > > I've already cited the particulars of my personal > episode with > > totally false > > information on Wikipedia concerning the history of > computing at > > Michigan > > State, so I won't relay the episode again here. I > will repeat that > > Wikipedia zealots are more interested in Wikipedia > etiquette than in > > the > > truth. > > > > What that episode caused me to realize is this: > > > > -- Since anyone can publish an article on any > topic, the Wikipedia > > corpus > > will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print > encyclopedia has a > > budget, and > > articles on very obscure topics won't get > published. The Britannica > > will > > never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. > > > > -- On Wikipedia the article on "Why is the sky > blue?" will be > > constantly > > checked and corrected if a numbskull edits it to > say "Because Crayola > > says > > so." So the short head will be relatively > reliable. > > > > -- An article on an obscure topic won't be > checked, and will live to > > be > > cited as authority someday when finally someone > stumbles on it. > > > > -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long > tail. And it will > > have > > an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. > > > > /rich > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la > meilleure protection possible contre les messages > non nollicit?s > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 23:30:09 2007 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Sun Feb 18 23:30:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Galactia In-Reply-To: <560169.94794.qm@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <858056.79216.qm@web50107.mail.yahoo.com> There is no Wikipedia heading for this because it would be considered "Original Research" and Original Research is banned from Wikipedia. Alain Vaillancourt --- Marion Sumerianlibrarian a ?crit : > under what wikipedia heading would this entry appear? > > --- "Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt" > wrote: > > > Yes, the short head and long tail is an interesting > > way of putting it, > > but it's a bit more complicated. > > > > For one, there is an overabundance of science and > > technical (computer > > programming mostly) in the short head, to the point > > that it overflows > > into the "torso". > > > > Then, there's the fact that the long tail is not > > really a tail, since > > it is not true that one can write any article on any > > kind of obscure > > topic any time. Even the obscure articles are > > patrolled for > > "notability". It doesn't always work, but it means > > that there is > > actually no precise tail forming and it's hard to > > tell apart an > > "obscure" article on a nearly unknown 19th century > > author with > > absolutely no importance from an extremely scholarly > > one dealing with > > specialized topics in History or Artisan crafts. Or > > it might be the > > other way around with insignificant crafts and , > > since unlike a tail > > there's no precise end or beginning. > > > > There certainly are Wikipedia "editors" who could be > > called zealots but > > you can't lump them all in one group of zealots. > > Also there,s a > > question of zeal and Faith and there's also a > > question of Order and > > Beauty. For you they are etiquette-mad. For other > > groups, such as Web > > comics artists who have had rotten experiences with > > the "bad editors" > > at Wikipedia those regulars are anal-retentive sorts > > who want to put > > everything on catalog cards and then find joy in > > sorting them. They > > never use the words "frustrated librarians" to > > describe those "bad > > editor" cliques at Wikipedia but all the stereotypes > > are there. > > > > You see zealots, possessed with Faith, and ignorant > > of Truth and they, > > (the foiled Web comics creators) see frustrated > > monomaniacs who are > > more interested in a petty ordering of their chosen > > limited knowledge > > than in reporting on Art and Beauty. The bad guys > > deleted their Web > > comics articles you see, and when a few of them > > fought back using > > Wikipedia rules, the Order-mad "bad-editors" > > (cousins to the etiquette > > zealots most probably) started attacking (with the > > deletion process) > > many other articles surrounding Web comics, like the > > Oni Press article, > > in a show of petty vindictive actions. > > > > Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a > > mammal here, but with > > a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or > > tail and with a rich > > symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a > > social animal, but not > > the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you > > come home or go into > > the barn. > > > > Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From ecraig at cnr.edu Mon Feb 19 03:03:43 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Mon Feb 19 03:03:39 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? -- follow up References: Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF02ED72E8@adams.cnr.edu> Meant to reply to Walt's comment the other day and while the Wikipedia thread is moving on (thanks Alain for that wonderful metaphor of the project as a giant amoeba) but let me briefly return to it. My choice of the MS debacle was probably not the best example given the complexity of that issue. Others (IBM so the rumors go) seem to do quite well getting revisions through Wikipedia and MS apparently would have fared better simply by being more deceptive. As Walt noted, Wikipedia's whitepaper suggestion is astonishing. We end up, as Nicholas Carr has pointed out, with this strange paradox of "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but perhaps off limits to experts who may have "gained deep enough knowledge of a subject to have developed a point of view." Carr is not off the mark in suggesting that this leads to a parody of the traditional editorial process. If anyone is interested, Carr's comments on the MS / Rick Jellife / Wikipedia matter are here (a nice URL!): http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/01/experts_go_home.php -e Emory M. Craig Director of Academic Computing Services The College of New Rochelle New Rochelle, N.Y. 10805 914-654-5536 www.cnr.edu ________________________________ From: Crawford,Walt [mailto:crawforw@oclc.org] Sent: Fri 2/16/2007 3:04 PM To: Craig, Emory; Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt; web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? The example Emory Craig provides is interesting but tricky: By all accounts, MS was trying to get errors corrected by paying an expert to say *whatever the expert wanted to say*--because MS couldn't do it directly. There was no attempt at secrecy, no attempt to control the message. Wikipedia's response--"Commission a white paper and suggest that we link to it"--was astonishing. Not quite as astonishing as the attitude toward anyone "tampering with" an entry on themselves--unless, of course, they're a Special Case like Cory Doctorow, who apparently is allowed to edit his own entry. Otherwise, you can't say you don't want to be in Wikipedia, you can't correct flagrant errors in your entry (unless you do so via meatpuppet or pseudonym)...well, it makes me happy I'm non-notable (in English, at least). [Yes, I use Wikipedia...as a starting point. Yes, I've made edits...two of them. But also, yes, I have better things to do, especially since Alain V's experience is by no means unique.] Walt Crawford -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Craig, Emory Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:45 AM To: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt; web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? Alain, You have a good point and one that Goldman misses -- the "shouting newcomer." If Wikipedia continues to be successful, I think marketers and self-promoters will eventually become an issue (an ex. that comes to mind is MS efforts to hire a blogger to change articles) in the future. But for now, there is enough of a challenge dealing with those whose knowledge is inversely proportional to their desire to be heard. I can see how it would wear you down. -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 . . . . . From vctinney at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 19 09:01:49 2007 From: vctinney at sbcglobal.net (Chris Tinney) Date: Mon Feb 19 09:01:53 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <45D86070.89B5.00F3.0@law.ufl.edu> Message-ID: <121275.55206.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> It may be of interest to all involved in the Wikipedia discussion, to note the professional journal online publication policy of BioPsychoSocial Medicine. http://www.bpsmedicine.com/home/ "BioPsychoSocial Medicine however, has taken this further by making all its content Open Access." http://www.bpsmedicine.com/info/about/ . . . "Submission of a manuscript to BioPsychoSocial Medicine implies that readily reproducible materials described in the manuscript, including all relevant raw data, will be freely available to any scientist wishing to use them for non- commercial purposes." http://www.bpsmedicine.com/info/instructions/default.asp Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maryellen O'Brien wrote: I thought this might be of interest: web4lib@webjunction.org Maryellen O'Brien, J.D., M.L.S. Electronic Services/Reference Librarian Lawton Chiles Legal Information Center Levin College of Law University of Florida P.O. Box 117628 Gainesville, FL 32611 (352) 273-0726 >>> "Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt" 2/18/2007 12:15 PM >>> > > "I love it how I can use Wikipedia to win just about any argument.. > and it only takes a few seconds to make the edit beforehand." > That's really cute, but is it true? Many of the basic articles are patrolled so tightly at such a high frequency that such a self centered edit would be reverted in a matter of seconds. Gotta be fast, real fast in saying and then acting out on "heylookwikipediasaysImrightandyourewrong". And then there's the 500 or so articles I've been watching for several years. I just haven't seen that kind of edit, or what could be that kind of edit very often. On the other hand, in the last forty years or so I've seen a lot of persons interpret a printed source as they wished to "prove" that they were right and others were wrong. I've seen this in day to day arguments as well as scholarly writings. My best source of fun in the latter comes from a study that came out as an article titled "'Memex' as an image of potentiality in information retrieval research and development" by Linda C. Smith. In her study Linda C. Smith showed, by a thorough analysis of those articles which cited Vannevar Bush's 1945 "As We May Think" article, that shcolars quoted what they wanted in order to prove what they wanted regardless of the original intent of the author, Vannevar Bush and the presence of contradictory statments in other places in the text. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca ( http://mail.yahoo.ca/ ) Yahoo! Courriel _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From SFX_Metalib at cclaflorida.org Mon Feb 19 11:03:12 2007 From: SFX_Metalib at cclaflorida.org (SFX_Metalib) Date: Mon Feb 19 11:03:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Announcement - - Usability Analyst at CCLA in Tallahassee, FL Message-ID: <1E2AE3042B9B4C459BED104D1ACB40640D4D35@jaguar.cclaflorida.org> Established in 1989 by the Florida Legislature, the College Center for Library Automation (CCLA) operates Florida's Library Information Network for Community Colleges (LINCC) and the Web-based library information portal, LINCCWeb , from its headquarters in Tallahassee, Florida. 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Obtain and submit a mandatory Tallahassee Community College (TCC) employment application to Human Resources, TCC, 444 Appleyard Dr., Tallahassee, FL 32304-2895; visit the College's website at www.tcc.fl.edu or email humres@tcc.fl.edu for position details and employment application. *** An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer *** From maurice.york at emory.edu Mon Feb 19 11:44:54 2007 From: maurice.york at emory.edu (Maurice York) Date: Mon Feb 19 11:45:10 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, Ross. I've gotta disagree on that one. Huge swaths of parking lots and a good deal of public transportation conveyances don't work well for "these people" either, but the people with disabilities that I know don't like to resign themselves to disappointment any more than the rest of us. My general mode of operating: if you have two options for implementing something as accessible or not accessible, choose the accessible root. If there's no accessible option apparent, it's worth a little digging and research to see if there's an option you're missing. If there's still no accessible method, make sure that it degrades gracefully for the folks who have screen readers, or who have javascript turned off, etc, etc. Most importantly, know your audience. I'll use AJAX in a staff interface because I know the people using it have Firefox or IE with the bells and whistles turned on and don't use alternative devices for interpreting the screen (I also know they're not trying to use it on PDAs or cell phones, etc). I'm more reluctant to use it in a student interface, where the environment is much more open and unpredictable and the choice to use something flashy or convenient may mean that someone doesn't get their course materials today. Fundamentally, keeping accessibility in mind just leads to better design, whether I'm motivated by doing it for those with disabilities or not. -Maurice On 2/18/07, Ross Singer wrote: > > On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > > > There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully > > accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's > > Of course huge swaths of the internets don't work for these people, as > well, so they have somehow learned to cope with disappointment. > > Basically, I wouldn't let this argument deter anyone. > > -Ross. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ************************************ Maurice York Team Leader, Circulation and E-Learning Services Woodruff Library Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mcyork@emory.edu From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Mon Feb 19 11:54:18 2007 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Mon Feb 19 11:54:24 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> I guess what keeps coming back to me is: Is there any substance to this argument? I know that screen readers can have problems with AJAX, but is it true that screen readers turn off javascript? JAWS says it can deal with javascript just fine: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=565 These aren't mutually exclusive, you can have accessible javascript. -Ross. On 2/19/07, Maurice York wrote: > Sorry, Ross. I've gotta disagree on that one. Huge swaths of parking lots > and a good deal of public transportation conveyances don't work well for > "these people" either, but the people with disabilities that I know don't > like to resign themselves to disappointment any more than the rest of us. > > My general mode of operating: if you have two options for implementing > something as accessible or not accessible, choose the accessible root. If > there's no accessible option apparent, it's worth a little digging and > research to see if there's an option you're missing. If there's still no > accessible method, make sure that it degrades gracefully for the folks who > have screen readers, or who have javascript turned off, etc, etc. Most > importantly, know your audience. I'll use AJAX in a staff interface because > I know the people using it have Firefox or IE with the bells and whistles > turned on and don't use alternative devices for interpreting the screen (I > also know they're not trying to use it on PDAs or cell phones, etc). I'm > more reluctant to use it in a student interface, where the environment is > much more open and unpredictable and the choice to use something flashy or > convenient may mean that someone doesn't get their course materials today. > > Fundamentally, keeping accessibility in mind just leads to better design, > whether I'm motivated by doing it for those with disabilities or not. > > -Maurice > > On 2/18/07, Ross Singer wrote: > > > > On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > > > > > There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully > > > accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's > > > > Of course huge swaths of the internets don't work for these people, as > > well, so they have somehow learned to cope with disappointment. > > > > Basically, I wouldn't let this argument deter anyone. > > > > -Ross. > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > > -- > ************************************ > Maurice York > Team Leader, Circulation and E-Learning Services > Woodruff Library > Emory University > Atlanta, GA 30322 > mcyork@emory.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From crawforw at oclc.org Mon Feb 19 12:23:55 2007 From: crawforw at oclc.org (Crawford,Walt) Date: Mon Feb 19 12:23:56 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: <180994.7328.qm@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I find the discussion of what does and doesn't "belong" in Wikipedia increasingly bemusing. On one hand, the original claims for Wikipedia seem to imply universality. On the other, "notability" is becoming a nice hammer to use on anything that various Wikipedians think needs to be pushed down. I'd love to know the basis for "a nearly unknown 19th century author with absolutely no importance"--which seems a little oxymoronic, since someone who managed to get stuff published in the 19th century must have been important to someone, sometime, somewhere--being inappropriate for wikipedia, while Ace Duck (who seems to be a minor Mutant Teenage Ninja Turtle) gets a fairly long entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Duck The whole "notability" thing has a very Animal Farm feel to it. Which, for Ace Duck, may be appropriate. Walt Crawford -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:43 PM To: Richard Wiggins Cc: David Dorman; web4lib Subject: RE : Re: RE : [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha Yes, the short head and long tail is an interesting way of putting it, but it's a bit more complicated. For one, there is an overabundance of science and technical (computer programming mostly) in the short head, to the point that it overflows into the "torso". Then, there's the fact that the long tail is not really a tail, since it is not true that one can write any article on any kind of obscure topic any time. Even the obscure articles are patrolled for "notability". It doesn't always work, but it means that there is actually no precise tail forming and it's hard to tell apart an "obscure" article on a nearly unknown 19th century author with absolutely no importance from an extremely scholarly one dealing with specialized topics in History or Artisan crafts. Or it might be the other way around with insignificant crafts and , since unlike a tail there's no precise end or beginning. There certainly are Wikipedia "editors" who could be called zealots but you can't lump them all in one group of zealots. Also there,s a question of zeal and Faith and there's also a question of Order and Beauty. For you they are etiquette-mad. For other groups, such as Web comics artists who have had rotten experiences with the "bad editors" at Wikipedia those regulars are anal-retentive sorts who want to put everything on catalog cards and then find joy in sorting them. They never use the words "frustrated librarians" to describe those "bad editor" cliques at Wikipedia but all the stereotypes are there. You see zealots, possessed with Faith, and ignorant of Truth and they, (the foiled Web comics creators) see frustrated monomaniacs who are more interested in a petty ordering of their chosen limited knowledge than in reporting on Art and Beauty. The bad guys deleted their Web comics articles you see, and when a few of them fought back using Wikipedia rules, the Order-mad "bad-editors" (cousins to the etiquette zealots most probably) started attacking (with the deletion process) many other articles surrounding Web comics, like the Oni Press article, in a show of petty vindictive actions. Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a mammal here, but with a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or tail and with a rich symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a social animal, but not the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you come home or go into the barn. Alain Vaillancourt --- Richard Wiggins a ?crit : > And this is precisely what I worry about: the authenticity of > Wikipedia's > long tail. > > I've already cited the particulars of my personal episode with > totally false > information on Wikipedia concerning the history of computing at > Michigan > State, so I won't relay the episode again here. I will repeat that > Wikipedia zealots are more interested in Wikipedia etiquette than in > the > truth. > > What that episode caused me to realize is this: > > -- Since anyone can publish an article on any topic, the Wikipedia > corpus > will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print encyclopedia has a > budget, and > articles on very obscure topics won't get published. The Britannica > will > never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. > > -- On Wikipedia the article on "Why is the sky blue?" will be > constantly > checked and corrected if a numbskull edits it to say "Because Crayola > says > so." So the short head will be relatively reliable. > > -- An article on an obscure topic won't be checked, and will live to > be > cited as authority someday when finally someone stumbles on it. > > -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long tail. And it will > have > an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. > > /rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Mon Feb 19 13:09:16 2007 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Mon Feb 19 13:12:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23b83f160702191009y650cf147s4e8d5139faa70f2d@mail.gmail.com> Since speculation on what screen readers do in these cases gets us nowhere, I installed Fangs [1] (in the interest of science) and looked at our contact pages [2] (this is somewhat academic, since we provide mailtos and forms, but it still works for the purposes of this argument). On the page: http://www.library.gatech.edu/email_form.php?type=user&id=181&return=staff_directory my email address is created via javascript on page render. Fangs claims the page looks like: ...ugly screen reader rendering snipped to get to the part that matters... Recipient colon Ross Singer Mailto colon Link ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Or submit via form ...snip... It appears that screen readers take the rendered source. [1] http://fangs.sourceforge.net [2] http://www.library.gatech.edu/staff_directory.php -Ross. On 2/19/07, Ross Singer wrote: > I guess what keeps coming back to me is: > > Is there any substance to this argument? I know that screen readers > can have problems with AJAX, but is it true that screen readers turn > off javascript? > > JAWS says it can deal with javascript just fine: > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=565 > > These aren't mutually exclusive, you can have accessible javascript. > > -Ross. > > On 2/19/07, Maurice York wrote: > > Sorry, Ross. I've gotta disagree on that one. Huge swaths of parking lots > > and a good deal of public transportation conveyances don't work well for > > "these people" either, but the people with disabilities that I know don't > > like to resign themselves to disappointment any more than the rest of us. > > > > My general mode of operating: if you have two options for implementing > > something as accessible or not accessible, choose the accessible root. If > > there's no accessible option apparent, it's worth a little digging and > > research to see if there's an option you're missing. If there's still no > > accessible method, make sure that it degrades gracefully for the folks who > > have screen readers, or who have javascript turned off, etc, etc. Most > > importantly, know your audience. I'll use AJAX in a staff interface because > > I know the people using it have Firefox or IE with the bells and whistles > > turned on and don't use alternative devices for interpreting the screen (I > > also know they're not trying to use it on PDAs or cell phones, etc). I'm > > more reluctant to use it in a student interface, where the environment is > > much more open and unpredictable and the choice to use something flashy or > > convenient may mean that someone doesn't get their course materials today. > > > > Fundamentally, keeping accessibility in mind just leads to better design, > > whether I'm motivated by doing it for those with disabilities or not. > > > > -Maurice > > > > On 2/18/07, Ross Singer wrote: > > > > > > On 2/18/07, Tim Spalding wrote: > > > > > > > There is a slight drawback to JS techniques?they're not fully > > > > accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's > > > > > > Of course huge swaths of the internets don't work for these people, as > > > well, so they have somehow learned to cope with disappointment. > > > > > > Basically, I wouldn't let this argument deter anyone. > > > > > > -Ross. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Web4lib mailing list > > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ************************************ > > Maurice York > > Team Leader, Circulation and E-Learning Services > > Woodruff Library > > Emory University > > Atlanta, GA 30322 > > mcyork@emory.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Feb 19 13:32:00 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Feb 19 13:35:24 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com><23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com><3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com><23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702191009y650cf147s4e8d5139faa70f2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This whole discussion is a bit disturbing to me. Just put your e-mail adress there. Bite the bullet and use a good spam filtering package. Deal with it like the rest of us do by being as accessible as possible. There are so many better places to harvest e-mails than library webpages. How about online staff directories, membership lists to discussion groups, and much more? Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From CreechA at cwu.EDU Mon Feb 19 14:01:40 2007 From: CreechA at cwu.EDU (Anna Creech) Date: Mon Feb 19 14:08:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Galactia In-Reply-To: <560169.94794.qm@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <180994.7328.qm@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> <560169.94794.qm@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D98517.D9B4.0041.0@gwmail.cwu.edu> The Wikipedia Galactica can be found here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page ;) Anna ----------------------------------- Anna L. Creech, MLS Serials & Electronic Resources Librarian Central Washington University Serials Department - Library 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-1718 From JBloy at edgewood.edu Mon Feb 19 15:00:12 2007 From: JBloy at edgewood.edu (Jonathan Bloy) Date: Mon Feb 19 15:02:13 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com><23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com><3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com><23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com><23b83f160702191009y650cf147s4e8d5139faa70f2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD8F96C6@214-email.edgewood.edu> Bill Drew wrote: > This whole discussion is a bit disturbing to me. Just put > your e-mail adress there. Bite the bullet and use a good > spam filtering package. Deal with it like the rest of us > do by being as accessible as possible. Excellent advice. The thing is, we can attempt to protect our email addresses to the Nth degree but we will still get spam. My personal email address (on my own domain) has never been posted anywhere. I use it only for friends and family. About a year ago, it started to get incredible amounts of junk mail. I can only assume that one of my friends caught a virus/trojan on their computer that harvested my email from their address book. Dictionary attacks, where spammers send combinations of usernames to specific domains (especially larger ones) are also common. If you have an email address, spam will find you eventually. -- Jonathan Bloy Web Services Librarian Edgewood College Madison, Wisconsin http://library.edgewood.edu From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Mon Feb 19 15:46:38 2007 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Mon Feb 19 15:46:43 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD8F96C6@214-email.edgewood.edu> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702191009y650cf147s4e8d5139faa70f2d@mail.gmail.com> <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD8F96C6@214-email.edgewood.edu> Message-ID: <23b83f160702191246s37260c62v637669670f584089@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I think that employing /both/ approaches is the most logical. While, yes, email addresses will still get out, spam filters do nothing to stop the amount of bandwidth consumed by the spam emails. By obfuscating email addresses this will at least reduce /some/ of this burden (which, at the end of the day, /somebody/ is paying for in bandwidth costs). I don't think any of the obfuscation proponents are saying that this will prevent all spam. It prevents some, however, and, /as I've already pointed out/, doesn't get in the way of accessibility, so why not reduce some of the spambots targets? -Ross. On 2/19/07, Jonathan Bloy wrote: > Bill Drew wrote: > > This whole discussion is a bit disturbing to me. Just put > > your e-mail adress there. Bite the bullet and use a good > > spam filtering package. Deal with it like the rest of us > > do by being as accessible as possible. > > Excellent advice. The thing is, we can attempt to protect our email > addresses to the Nth degree but we will still get spam. > > My personal email address (on my own domain) has never been posted > anywhere. I use it only for friends and family. About a year ago, it > started to get incredible amounts of junk mail. I can only assume that > one of my friends caught a virus/trojan on their computer that harvested > my email from their address book. > > Dictionary attacks, where spammers send combinations of usernames to > specific domains (especially larger ones) are also common. > > If you have an email address, spam will find you eventually. > > -- > Jonathan Bloy > Web Services Librarian > Edgewood College > Madison, Wisconsin > http://library.edgewood.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From JShubitowski at getty.edu Mon Feb 19 16:22:52 2007 From: JShubitowski at getty.edu (Joe Shubitowski) Date: Mon Feb 19 16:23:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Position posting - Getty Research Institute In-Reply-To: <121275.55206.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <45D86070.89B5.00F3.0@law.ufl.edu> <121275.55206.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D9A4AB.F4C3.0002.0@getty.edu> The following position announcement has been posted to multiple lists. Please excuse duplication. Applications Systems Analyst - Senior Specialist Working under the supervision of the Head of Information Systems, will lead software development efforts to build and interconnect open source, commercial, and locally developed software systems that drive digital projects in the Research Institute. Work will center around repository development, ingest services, web services and middleware, user interface design and implementation, digital archiving and preservation, and metasearch issues. Position will lead a small focused team of programmers in all phases of digital library project development, implementation, and support. Works with internal Getty staff, external open source community, and vendor support staff in a team based approach. Leads in the design and implementation efforts on database and user interface work for digital library projects; participates in committees and working groups to analyze and determine manual and automated workflow practices and procedures; and writes programs in Java, Perl, XSL, PHP, and other languages in support of digital library project implementation efforts. Position requires a service oriented individual with the ability to work both independently under minimal supervision and as a member of a larger team. Excellent management and mentoring skills are required. Excellent customer relation skills, as well as the ability to accurately diagnose problems and convey/communicate information to staff and external sources are required. Technical requirements include: Programming expertise in a variety of languages, e.g., Java, C#, C++, Perl, XML/XSL, PHP, etc., and unix shell languages; experience with relational, XML, and/or text based database systems; experience with implementing open source programs and tools; experience using unix (or linux) from the shell prompt; experience with HTML, web user interface design and web development tools; SQL knowledge; MS-Windows knowledge; excellent oral and written communication skills. Desirable qualities include: MLS/MLIS/MIS degree or equivalent; familiarity with library automated systems and library workflows and practices; experience with multi-lingual content and database support of Unicode and/or UTF-8; knowledge of additional western European language(s); ability and interest in obtaining additional technical skills. Joseph M. 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Systems END:VCARD From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 16:23:07 2007 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Mon Feb 19 16:23:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? -- follow up In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF02ED72E8@adams.cnr.edu> Message-ID: <796876.84103.qm@web50110.mail.yahoo.com> I think there's more to it than an anti-expert debate, though yes, I believe that there is also some form of anti-expert issue in there. In the US Wikipedia editors' case I think that there's a deep anti-academic debate hidden in there too. The problem isn't with expertise it's with accreditation of expertise based on external (to Wikipedia) criteria. In this thing regular US- based anti-academics can have the support of non-US editors for whom the US notions of academia are completely or partially alien. When you look at things like the Pokemon or Teenage mutant ninja turtles (or STrek or SWars) articles and their hordes of companion articles you notice that many people editing there are devoting significant portions of their lives to their popular culture hobbies. They're very much experts but they're not academics in the US sense since their topics do not yet have the patina required for that. Another aspect of Wikipedia is the pro-dilettante attitude but that too is a very broad brush, like the "anti-expert" one. Alain Vaillancourt --- "Craig, Emory" a ?crit?: > Meant to reply to Walt's comment the other day and while the > Wikipedia thread is moving on (thanks Alain for that wonderful > metaphor of the project as a giant amoeba) but let me briefly return > to it. My choice of the MS debacle was probably not the best example > given the complexity of that issue. Others (IBM so the rumors go) > seem to do quite well getting revisions through Wikipedia and MS > apparently would have fared better simply by being more deceptive. As > Walt noted, Wikipedia's whitepaper suggestion is astonishing. We end > up, as Nicholas Carr has pointed out, with this strange paradox of > "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but perhaps off limits to > experts who may have "gained deep enough knowledge of a subject to > have developed a point of view." Carr is not off the mark in > suggesting that this leads to a parody of the traditional editorial > process. > > > > If anyone is interested, Carr's comments on the MS / Rick Jellife / > Wikipedia matter are here (a nice URL!): > > > > http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/01/experts_go_home.php > > > > > -e > > > > Emory M. Craig > Director of Academic Computing Services > The College of New Rochelle > New Rochelle, N.Y. 10805 > 914-654-5536 > www.cnr.edu > > > ________________________________ > > From: Crawford,Walt [mailto:crawforw@oclc.org] > Sent: Fri 2/16/2007 3:04 PM > To: Craig, Emory; Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt; web4lib > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? > > > > The example Emory Craig provides is interesting but tricky: By all > accounts, MS was trying to get errors corrected by paying an expert > to say *whatever the expert wanted to say*--because MS couldn't do it > directly. There was no attempt at secrecy, no attempt to control the > message. > > Wikipedia's response--"Commission a white paper and suggest that we > link to it"--was astonishing. > > Not quite as astonishing as the attitude toward anyone "tampering > with" an entry on themselves--unless, of course, they're a Special > Case like Cory Doctorow, who apparently is allowed to edit his own > entry. Otherwise, you can't say you don't want to be in Wikipedia, > you can't correct flagrant errors in your entry (unless you do so via > meatpuppet or pseudonym)...well, it makes me happy I'm non-notable > (in English, at least). > > [Yes, I use Wikipedia...as a starting point. Yes, I've made > edits...two of them. But also, yes, I have better things to do, > especially since Alain V's experience is by no means unique.] > > Walt Crawford > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Craig, Emory > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:45 AM > To: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt; web4lib > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Is Wikipedia Failing? > > Alain, > > You have a good point and one that Goldman misses -- the "shouting > newcomer." If Wikipedia continues to be successful, I think marketers > and self-promoters will eventually become an issue (an ex. that comes > to mind is MS efforts to hire a blogger to change articles) in the > future. But for now, there is enough of a challenge dealing with > those whose knowledge is inversely proportional to their desire to be > heard. I can see how it would wear you down. > > -e > > Emory Craig > Director of Academic Computing > The College of New Rochelle > 914-654-5536 > > . . . . . > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicit?s http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From micah at raincross-tech.com Mon Feb 19 16:46:05 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Mon Feb 19 16:45:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <23b83f160702191246s37260c62v637669670f584089@mail.gmail.com> References: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702180813m46afedd8j89bcb6d3fcfa55bb@mail.gmail.com> <3c95db40702190844j2b90241dw814b73145e524a73@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702190854i5e09a936q4291569c32efb260@mail.gmail.com> <23b83f160702191009y650cf147s4e8d5139faa70f2d@mail.gmail.com> <3118DC827B83784BBA0B28D7371B94DD8F96C6@214-email.edgewood.edu> <23b83f160702191246s37260c62v637669670f584089@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DA1A9D.2010602@raincross-tech.com> Depending on how a spam filter is implemented, it can reduce the total bandwidth consumed by a great deal actually. The key is to determine spam before you accept the incoming email. This is possible a variety of ways based on IP blacklists, SPF records, digital signing, etc.. -Micah Ross Singer wrote: > Actually, I think that employing /both/ approaches is the most logical. > > While, yes, email addresses will still get out, spam filters do > nothing to stop the amount of bandwidth consumed by the spam emails. > By obfuscating email addresses this will at least reduce /some/ of > this burden (which, at the end of the day, /somebody/ is paying for in > bandwidth costs). > > I don't think any of the obfuscation proponents are saying that this > will prevent all spam. It prevents some, however, and, /as I've > already pointed out/, doesn't get in the way of accessibility, so why > not reduce some of the spambots targets? > > -Ross. > > On 2/19/07, Jonathan Bloy wrote: >> Bill Drew wrote: >> > This whole discussion is a bit disturbing to me. Just put >> > your e-mail adress there. Bite the bullet and use a good >> > spam filtering package. Deal with it like the rest of us >> > do by being as accessible as possible. >> >> Excellent advice. The thing is, we can attempt to protect our email >> addresses to the Nth degree but we will still get spam. >> >> My personal email address (on my own domain) has never been posted >> anywhere. I use it only for friends and family. About a year ago, it >> started to get incredible amounts of junk mail. I can only assume that >> one of my friends caught a virus/trojan on their computer that harvested >> my email from their address book. >> >> Dictionary attacks, where spammers send combinations of usernames to >> specific domains (especially larger ones) are also common. >> >> If you have an email address, spam will find you eventually. >> >> -- >> Jonathan Bloy >> Web Services Librarian >> Edgewood College >> Madison, Wisconsin >> http://library.edgewood.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Mon Feb 19 20:02:01 2007 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Mon Feb 19 19:49:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Deleting cached web files in IE6 Message-ID: <20070219200201.0wn3qqwg4k88o0cw@webmail.manhattan.edu> Today, one of our staff could not get to a Gale database using the IE and the usual link. She could get to it when using Firefox. The page she retrieved in IE was a trial database login for a different Galegroup database. Deleting the "Temporary Internet Files" didn't solve the problem, and I didn't want to delete every cookie. Viewing the remaining IE internet files, showed the Gale-related cookies, but the puzzling thing was that there were non-cookie Gale files that had not been deleted when the file cache was cleared. Almost all the other non-cookie files were gone, but not the Gale-related ones. There were four oddly named Gale-related files that appeared to be images and html files. They did not have that "Cookie:" prefix in the Internet Address column. It would be nice if I looked more closely at them, particularly their specific location, but I just kind of scanned the names and thought "Hmmm, that's odd." and ditched them. So my question is: why would some non-cookie files be retained after a user clicks on "Delete Files"? Incidentally, the browser was set to an unrelated page on another site when the temp. internet files were deleted, so that's not the cause. The initial problem was resolved, so I'm just wondering why some non-cookie files would escape being deleted through the normal "Delete Files" click. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College O'Malley Library Riverdale, NY 10471 stacy.pober@manhattan.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Manhattan College Webmail. http://www.manhattan.edu From micah at raincross-tech.com Mon Feb 19 20:39:45 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Mon Feb 19 20:39:55 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Deleting cached web files in IE6 In-Reply-To: <20070219200201.0wn3qqwg4k88o0cw@webmail.manhattan.edu> References: <20070219200201.0wn3qqwg4k88o0cw@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <45DA5161.2010704@raincross-tech.com> (insert derogatory Microsoft comment here) Anything's possible with software. It's just how the developer designs it. If IE worked as it should there wouldn't be a thriving business of aftermarket cache cleaners. -Micah Stacy Pober wrote: > Today, one of our staff could not get to a Gale database using the IE > and the usual link. She could get to it when using Firefox. The page > she retrieved in IE was a trial database login for a different > Galegroup database. > > Deleting the "Temporary Internet Files" didn't solve the problem, and > I didn't want to delete every cookie. Viewing the remaining IE > internet files, showed the Gale-related cookies, but the puzzling > thing was that there were non-cookie Gale files that had not been > deleted when the file cache was cleared. Almost all the other > non-cookie files were gone, but not the Gale-related ones. > > There were four oddly named Gale-related files that appeared to be > images and html files. They did not have that "Cookie:" prefix in the > Internet Address column. It would be nice if I looked more closely at > them, particularly their specific location, but I just kind of scanned > the names and thought "Hmmm, that's odd." and ditched them. > > So my question is: why would some non-cookie files be retained after a > user clicks on "Delete Files"? > > Incidentally, the browser was set to an unrelated page on another site > when the temp. internet files were deleted, so that's not the cause. > > The initial problem was resolved, so I'm just wondering why some > non-cookie files would escape being deleted through the normal "Delete > Files" click. > > -- > Stacy Pober > Information Alchemist > Manhattan College > O'Malley Library > Riverdale, NY 10471 > stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Manhattan College Webmail. > http://www.manhattan.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From nengard at jenkinslaw.org Tue Feb 20 07:53:41 2007 From: nengard at jenkinslaw.org (Nicole Engard) Date: Tue Feb 20 07:53:47 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702180458n7b26653na7d8a6e6076e1850@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all - have any of you considered using PHP? We have our staff contact info in a MySQL table and are using their ID (just a auto-generated number - nothing that really identifies us - like our employee IDs) to get their email address. We have been using JS for years, but we're still getting massive amounts of spam. I found this a few months ago: http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/header-mailto-274158.html?&h ighlight=mailto And then took the idea to the next level. It's not live yet (still waiting for everyone to update their contact info) - but it works beautifully. I've attached the necessary snippets of code for you all to see if you're interested. Nicole C. Engard http://web2learning.net http://www.jenkinslaw.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Tim Spalding Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:59 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? Javascript obfuscation works very well. The chance that someone will mention the library emails elsewhere-forum, a resume, etc.-is a thousand times higher than the chance someone will write a bot that defeats your JavaScript. Here's a simple one that both writes the email and a mailto: link around it. There is a slight drawback to JS techniques-they're not fully accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's rare, but, in the real world very many people don't have their system configured to make mailto: links work. (Generally they use a web-based ap, but the mailto still points to the default desktop ap.-probably Outlook.) This isn't just grandma. I don't have mine set up either! (Side note; This is also why you should never ever have a mailto: link under innocuous text like "contact.") In my opinion the best solution is to just show the email. Give the user the work of putting it into their email program. They won't mind. To show it safely, use a graphic in place of the at sign. Then give it descriptive "alt" text for blind-accessibility like: tim[at sign]librarything.com Best, Tim On 2/18/07, David Rothman wrote: > Links below feature scripts (or tools which generate scripts) that are > claimed to generate mailto: links for a page that is viewable to the > user, but that cannot be harvested by spambots. > > > - http://www.willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/aelgwase.html > - http://www.joemaller.com/js-mailer.shtml > - http://med.stanford.edu/irt/web/clips/javascript-antispam.html > - http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/email/ > - http://mailtoprotector.com/ > > > Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From nengard at jenkinslaw.org Tue Feb 20 08:01:39 2007 From: nengard at jenkinslaw.org (Nicole Engard) Date: Tue Feb 20 08:01:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess I can't attach to this list. Here's the link to download the code: http://www.web2learning.net/web4lib/phpemail.zip Thanks Nicole Engard http://web2learning.net http://www.jenkinslaw.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:54 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? Hi all - have any of you considered using PHP? We have our staff contact info in a MySQL table and are using their ID (just a auto-generated number - nothing that really identifies us - like our employee IDs) to get their email address. We have been using JS for years, but we're still getting massive amounts of spam. I found this a few months ago: http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/header-mailto-274158.html?&h ighlight=mailto And then took the idea to the next level. It's not live yet (still waiting for everyone to update their contact info) - but it works beautifully. I've attached the necessary snippets of code for you all to see if you're interested. Nicole C. Engard http://web2learning.net http://www.jenkinslaw.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Tim Spalding Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:59 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Mailto: links that can't be harvested by spambots? Javascript obfuscation works very well. The chance that someone will mention the library emails elsewhere-forum, a resume, etc.-is a thousand times higher than the chance someone will write a bot that defeats your JavaScript. Here's a simple one that both writes the email and a mailto: link around it. There is a slight drawback to JS techniques-they're not fully accessible. If the user has JS turned off, the links vanish. That's rare, but, in the real world very many people don't have their system configured to make mailto: links work. (Generally they use a web-based ap, but the mailto still points to the default desktop ap.-probably Outlook.) This isn't just grandma. I don't have mine set up either! (Side note; This is also why you should never ever have a mailto: link under innocuous text like "contact.") In my opinion the best solution is to just show the email. Give the user the work of putting it into their email program. They won't mind. To show it safely, use a graphic in place of the at sign. Then give it descriptive "alt" text for blind-accessibility like: tim[at sign]librarything.com Best, Tim On 2/18/07, David Rothman wrote: > Links below feature scripts (or tools which generate scripts) that are > claimed to generate mailto: links for a page that is viewable to the > user, but that cannot be harvested by spambots. > > > - http://www.willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/aelgwase.html > - http://www.joemaller.com/js-mailer.shtml > - http://med.stanford.edu/irt/web/clips/javascript-antispam.html > - http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/email/ > - http://mailtoprotector.com/ > > > Any opinions on whether or not this sort of solution is effective? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no Tue Feb 20 08:28:59 2007 From: anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no (Anders Ericson) Date: Tue Feb 20 08:29:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website Message-ID: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> When the Swedes don't do it, a Norwegian has to promote the magnificent new website (beta) of Stockholm Public Library released last Wednesday: http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/ This must be the most 2.0-ish library site so far!? The "other languages" feature isn't finished yet, but even non-scandinavians should get some impressions by trying the search facility "S?k" and the "Etiketter" = tags. They invite users and non-users alike to tag and review their books etc. Here is the tag list: http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=6479 Anders Ericson Web Editor Norwegian Libr. Assoc. http://www.norskbibliotekforening.no From crawforw at oclc.org Tue Feb 20 10:08:23 2007 From: crawforw at oclc.org (Crawford,Walt) Date: Tue Feb 20 10:08:27 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 7:3 available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large, volume 7, issue 3, March 2007, is now available for downloading at http://citesandinsights.info/civ7i3.pdf The 24-page issue, PDF as always, but HTML separates of some, not all, essays are available from the home page, http://citesandinsights.info/ includes: * Bibs & Blather - Who's out there, another language grump, and a reason for the peculiar issue. * Old Media/New Media - Music and video * Trends & Quick Takes - Five trends and seven quicker takes * Net Media Perspective: Wikipedia Revisited * My Back Pages - ten snarky little pieces. From Scott_Warren at ncsu.edu Tue Feb 20 11:46:36 2007 From: Scott_Warren at ncsu.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Tue Feb 20 11:46:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> Message-ID: <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> Anders is right, this is pretty full of web 2.0 stuff and seems nicely designed (my wife is Swedish and I can read just enough Swedish to see that this is a pretty good catalog and make some sense of the choices). The new stuff, tagging, reviews, etc. are there, but so are the more conventional things like finding branches, services, delivery, etc. I'm going to pass this on to my bibliophile in-laws in Stockholm and wife here and see how they like it (they'll be much tougher than I am!) Scott Warren Anders Ericson wrote: > When the Swedes don't do it, a Norwegian has to promote the magnificent new > website (beta) of Stockholm Public Library released last Wednesday: > > http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/ > > This must be the most 2.0-ish library site so far!? > > The "other languages" feature isn't finished yet, but even non-scandinavians > should get some impressions by trying the search facility "S?k" and the > "Etiketter" = tags. They invite users and non-users alike to tag and review > their books etc. > > Here is the tag list: > http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=6479 > > > Anders Ericson > Web Editor Norwegian Libr. Assoc. > http://www.norskbibliotekforening.no > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scott Warren, M.A. LIS Assistant Head Textiles Library and Engineering Services North Carolina State University Libraries Box 8301 Raleigh, NC 27695-8301 919-515-6602 (phone) 919-515-3926 (fax) scott_warren@ncsu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tspindle at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 12:45:55 2007 From: tspindle at gmail.com (Tim Spindle) Date: Tue Feb 20 12:46:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Deleting cached web files in IE6 Message-ID: This may not answer your question, but it provides a solution. CCleaner ( http://www.ccleaner.com/) is the best free app I've found to delete cookies, cached files & temporary files. Run it against the "Delete Files" to see for yourself. tim From miriambobkoff at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 13:16:15 2007 From: miriambobkoff at yahoo.com (Miriam Bobkoff) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:17:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Position Available -- Santa Fe Public Library Message-ID: <142398.39637.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Santa Fe Public Library is looking for a Circulation Manager for the new Southside Branch. As time is very short, I am posting the whole announcement here below (please pardon any mis-formatting), but application must be made through the City of Santa Fe's Human Resources Department. For the application, go to http://www.santafenm.gov/human-resources/index.asp#application The formal job posting is at http://snipurl.com/1aska Miriam Bobkoff mkbobkoff@santafenm.gov Santa Fe Public Library 145 Washington Avenue Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 955-6832 The Library's Page http://www.santafelibrary.org Icarus... the Santa Fe Public Library Blog http://santafelibrary.blogspot.com ************************************* POSITION TITLE: Library Section Manager DEPARTMENT: Community Services SALARY RANGE: $20.74-$36.58 FLSA/UNION STATUS: NOT COVERED/NOT COVERED POSITION STATUS: CLASSIFIED FULL TIME PERIOD TO APPLY: 02/12/07 ? 03/01/07 (NO LATER THAN 5:00 P.M.) SUPERVISOR: Susan Sonflieth WORK LOCATION: Southside Library **************************************************************** GENERAL PURPOSE Manages, supervises, and oversees operations in the Circulation section within the Library System. SUPERVISION RECEIVED Works under the general guidance and direction of Library Service Director SUPERVISION EXERCISED Provides close to general supervision to staff. ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS (A position my not include all of the duties listed, nor do the listed examples include all duties that may be found in a position of this class.) Oversees and manages a section within the Library System (Circulation, Reference, etc.). Assists in the development of library section policies; develops and implements procedures; communicates policies to staff and patrons. Interviews and makes recommendations for hire of new employees; trains, assigns duties; handles personnel related issues including performance evaluations and disciplinary actions. Communicates Division and City of Santa Fe Rules, Regulations and Policies. Schedules and conducts staff meetings; reviews and processes timesheets and employee requests for time off. Provides assistance to the public and staff on the use of reference sources, including computer catalog and indices and on-line resources. Stays current on new informational resources. Works on the reference desk answering questions and instructing patrons in the use of library resources using a variety of tools such as on-line services, print materials, computer catalog, CD-Rom products, etc. Interprets and enforces library rules and policies; trains patrons in library use and reference tools. Oversees physical conditions of building and equipment in area of assignment; researches and secures bids for furniture, equipment and services for the library. May be assigned to work in one or more sections of the Library system. Additional essential functions for assignment in Circulation: May serve on the automation committee Participates in overall technology planning and PC support. Researches and recommends new technology to better serve the public and staff. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS 1. Education and Experience: A. Bachelor?s Degree AND B. Four (4) years of work experience in assigned area or Masters degree in Library Science (MLS) plus two (2) years of professional library experience in circulation, reference or youth services, or collection management. Must have supervisory experience totaling one (1) year. Previous experience working with the public and general knowledge of computers is required. OR C. An equivalent combination of education and experience. 2. Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities: Extensive knowledge of library services tasks and of library operations, resource materials, reference and research methods. Knowledge of professional library practices and trends. Knowledge of the principles and application of effective supervisory techniques; knowledge of computer operations and of audio-visual equipment operation. Knowledge of community needs and interests; principles of book selection. Knowledge of automated systems in information retrieval and dissemination of information. Considerable skill in the use of reference tools and resources for selection of materials. Ability to type is required. Ability to present information clearly concisely, orally and in writing; to establish effective working relationships with associates and the public. 3. Special Qualifications: Must have knowledge of general office equipment including personal computers, photocopy machines, facsimile machines, etc. 4. Work Environment: Work is performed in an office environment with quiet to moderate level of noise. Position involves standing, walking, sitting, carrying, pulling, climbing, stooping, kneeling, crawling, crouching, reaching, and handling. Must be able to speak, hear and have good visual acuity including close, distance, peripheral, depth and color vision. Must be able to lift and/or move 20 pounds. May be required to work evening and weekends. May be required to respond to emergency calls during and outside regular library hours. HOW TO APPLY Submit a completed City of Santa Fe application to the Human Resources Department, City of Santa Fe, 200 Lincoln, or mail to P.O. Box 909, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504-0909. Applications become public record upon receipt and may be made available for public inspection upon request. Resumes will not be accepted in lieu of the city application form. A COPY OF YOUR HS/GED OR COLLEGE TRANSCRIPT MUST BE ATTACHED TO EACH APPLICATION. PRE-PLACEMENT PHYSICAL EXAMS ARE REQUIRED. EEO/AA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Tue Feb 20 13:43:34 2007 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:43:44 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? In-Reply-To: <443e04510702180643h3031a2fakfbd41d166e493d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is squid at http://www.squid-cache.org/ but I have not used it so I cannot speak to its capabilities. Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Blake Carver Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:43 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? Hi All I'm curious about proxy servers similiar to ezproxy, is anyone using similiar systems for comparison? Thanks Blake Carver _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 20 13:43:50 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:43:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Plugoo Message-ID: I have just added the Plugoo chat code to my websites and blogs. It allows you to talk via your IM to those viewing your websites and blogs. It works extremely well. It was mentioned by Philip Bradley on his I want to blog. It is very similar to Meebo. Go to my blog at http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com to try it. I will be online until 5 pm Eastern time. Technorati Tags: Plugoo , Chat , IM -- Posted By Bill Drew to Baby Boomer Librarian at 2/20/2007 10:45:00 AM From kniesner at ohsu.edu Tue Feb 20 14:13:48 2007 From: kniesner at ohsu.edu (Dan Kniesner) Date: Tue Feb 20 14:14:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Register now for SURA/ViDe Digital Video Conference March 26-29 Message-ID: The Whole Shebang: Converged Technologies in the Campus Ecosystem. Are We There Yet?" Registration is open for The SURA ViDe 2007 Conference March 26-29, 2007, Georgia Tech Conference Center, Atlanta Georgia. Conference web site: http://www.vide.net/conferences/spr2007/ Early registration ends March 9, and confirmed conference hotel rates end on February 26, so register now. Multimedia applications, from digital video, to podcasting, to collaboration, to virtual worlds, can transform education and learning. Google and other commercial entities make it look easy. But how are converging multimedia technologies working on your campus? Can you really have the whole shebang? Explore these topics and more with innovators and leaders in campus digital video technologies from around the world. ViDe is very pleased to announce that this year's keynote speaker is Larry Johnson, Chief Executive Officer of the New Media Consortium, who will talk about NMC's experiences with Second Life, as well as what's next. Speakers from around the world will present their cutting edge research and practical implementation experiences with converged multimedia, including collaboration technologies, video on demand, gaming, video metadata, digital rights, high definition "big" video and more. Visit the program page for more information on sessions and speakers: http://www.vide.net/conferences/spr2007/program/ A preconference on setting up video technologies for conference support will be offered Monday, March 26 by Megan Troyer, Ohio State University. Participants in this free preconference will "learn by doing" by assisting with technical support for this technology-intensive conference. Kewin Stoeckigt, Australian Academic and Research Network, is offering a postconference workshop on Advanced Topics in Audio/Video Conferencing on Thursday, March 29. Topics include numbering (ENUM, GDS, etc.), security and high definition video. Both workshops have limited seating and are filling fast so register early. You can still submit poster session presentations through February 23. Visit the poster session page to learn more. SURA ViDe is recognized as the leading conference on cutting edge digital video technologies in education. Register now to learn about the latest developments in converged digital multimedia on campus and to share your own experiences with colleagues. Take a giant step toward having "the whole shebang" on your campus! Conference web site: http://www.vide.net/conferences/spr2007/ Dan Kniesner Oregon Health & Science University 3181 S.W. Sam Jackson Park Road Portland Oregon 97239 kniesner@ohsu.edu 503-494-3216 fax 503-494-3227 (ViDe planning committee member) From dwalker at calstate.edu Tue Feb 20 16:48:15 2007 From: dwalker at calstate.edu (Walker, David) Date: Tue Feb 20 16:48:28 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job: Web Librarian, California State University San Marcos Message-ID: Excuse the cross-posting: -------------- Web Librarian -------------- Tenure-track appointment at the Senior Assistant Librarian level (beginning salary $51,852). The California State University San Marcos Library is seeking a creative, energetic librarian to provide vision and leadership in designing, developing, and supporting the Library's virtual presence. The Web Librarian is responsible for all aspects of the Library's website. The goal is a dynamic, interactive environment that integrates a variety of disparate library technologies seamlessly into a highly usable website focused on student learning and research. Currently, the position primarily supports provision of traditional library services and resources in the online environment. Growing areas of interest are facilitating design of effective online instruction, providing user customization and social features, and increased support of multimedia environments. Cal State San Marcos is a young, growing campus, and the Library is at the cutting-edge of technology. This position offers a great deal of creative freedom, and the Library is looking for a visionary, self-motivated individual who is, at the same time, able to build consensus and communicate effectively with librarians and staff to collaboratively design and offer innovative, new digital library services to our community. The position involves understanding principles of library science, information architecture, pedagogy, and human/computer interface issues, particularly user search behaviors. Technical responsibilities include web design, site development and maintenance, some programming and database work, graphic design, and multimedia development. The position has a variety of project management responsibilities including coordinating task groups, facilitating communication, developing project specifications, and conducting project evaluations. Staff training and active involvement with students in a reference or instructional role is expected. Specific Duties: 1. Collaborate with library faculty and staff to articulate a vision and develop strategic plans for the library websites and web-based services. Effectively manage projects with the involvement of colleagues, users and other stakeholders. 2. Design websites to enable students to effectively use library services and resources for their learning and research needs. Apply principles of usability and accessibility to develop effective site interfaces and navigation structures. Make effective use of graphics and multimedia to convey information in a complex environment. Support design of online instruction based on current learning theories and instructional technologies. 3. As webmaster for library websites, coordinate content development, evaluate content and services, develop guidelines and standards, and manage the daily maintenance of the websites. Instruct and support library faculty and staff in their work on the web. Develop written tutorials and other documentation to support use of the website. 4. Build a robust website infrastructure using web authoring, scripting, mark-up languages and relational database tools. Provide a seamless web environment and integrate various library applications and services using current linking, metasearch, and other web technologies. 5. Anticipate web trends, investigate their application to the academic library and develop new web-based services. 6. Work on a regular basis with students in a reference or instructional capacity. 7. Meet faculty tenure obligations, including developing a research agenda, publishing, and serving on library, university, and/or national committees. Qualifications Required: * ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent. * Demonstrated knowledge of effective web interface design, information architecture, human/computer interface (HCI) theory and accessibility. Experience conducting usability studies and other user interface design testing. * Demonstrated ability to build effective websites using state-of-the-art development tools. * Ability to adapt in fast-changing environments. Innovative with a willingness to take risks and consider new and untested approaches and use creative problem-solving skills. Demonstrated ability to seek out and learn new technology. * Knowledge of best practices, standards, issues and trends relevant to web and information technology in academic libraries. * Demonstrated commitment to working with and serving people. Ability to inspire a shared vision and work effectively with colleagues, students and faculty in a collegial environment. * Excellent written and oral communication skills. * Ability to meet tenure requirements and desire to play a visible role in the academic community. Qualifications Desired * Demonstrated experience in web interface design, site management, or content development. * Demonstrated skill with web authoring tools, scripting and mark-up languages, and relational databases to create dynamic web pages. * Demonstrated experience with library technology integration using linking tools (such as SFX, Metalib) and Web 2.0 technologies. * Education or background in computer science or web development. * Demonstrated experience in instruction and reference. Knowledge of learning theories, especially as they apply to the online environment. Experience developing online learning resources and environments for instruction. * Demonstrated experience with image and multimedia production. * Demonstrated experience with project management and strong conceptual and analytic skills in solving complex analytical problems. * Experience or knowledge in exciting, new library technologies such as RSS feeds or use of gaming in instruction. 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Position open until filled. --Dave ------------------- David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us Tue Feb 20 19:26:44 2007 From: Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bret Parker) Date: Tue Feb 20 19:27:35 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> Would anyone that knows Swedish care to comment on this page: http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=2994&refid=2989 I am intrigued with the links in the left sidebar under the heading: "Tips och teman." Are these blogging categories? Are they posts by library staff or the community at large? Bret Parker >>> Scott Warren 2/20/2007 8:46:36 AM >>> Anders is right, this is pretty full of web 2.0 stuff and seems nicely designed (my wife is Swedish and I can read just enough Swedish to see that this is a pretty good catalog and make some sense of the choices). The new stuff, tagging, reviews, etc. are there, but so are the more conventional things like finding branches, services, delivery, etc. I'm going to pass this on to my bibliophile in-laws in Stockholm and wife here and see how they like it (they'll be much tougher than I am!) Scott Warren Anders Ericson wrote: > When the Swedes don't do it, a Norwegian has to promote the magnificent new > website (beta) of Stockholm Public Library released last Wednesday: > > http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/ > > This must be the most 2.0-ish library site so far!? > > The "other languages" feature isn't finished yet, but even non-scandinavians > should get some impressions by trying the search facility "S?k" and the > "Etiketter" = tags. They invite users and non-users alike to tag and review > their books etc. > > Here is the tag list: > http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=6479 > > > Anders Ericson > Web Editor Norwegian Libr. Assoc. > http://www.norskbibliotekforening.no > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scott Warren, M.A. LIS Assistant Head Textiles Library and Engineering Services North Carolina State University Libraries Box 8301 Raleigh, NC 27695-8301 919-515-6602 (phone) 919-515-3926 (fax) scott_warren@ncsu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From listuser at chillco.com Tue Feb 20 20:56:08 2007 From: listuser at chillco.com (Cary Gordon) Date: Tue Feb 20 20:51:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf><45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> Message-ID: <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> Well, if you would like a bizarro machine translation, there is: http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblioteket.stock holm.se%2Fdefault.asp%3Fid%3D2994%26refid%3D2989+&type=text&text=&from=swe&t o=eng It translates "Tips och teman." to "Hint and subject" -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Bret Parker Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:27 PM To: Scott Warren; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website Would anyone that knows Swedish care to comment on this page: http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=2994&refid=2989 I am intrigued with the links in the left sidebar under the heading: "Tips och teman." Are these blogging categories? Are they posts by library staff or the community at large? Bret Parker From federica.zanardini at unimi.it Wed Feb 21 02:46:38 2007 From: federica.zanardini at unimi.it (federica zanardini) Date: Wed Feb 21 02:56:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? References: <443e04510702180643h3031a2fakfbd41d166e493d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JDS00AM7YXZX420@ldap-s3.unimi.net> Hi all, in University of Milano we are using a squid-cache server to provide the off-campus access to Digital Library since 2001. Squid is an open-source project, it's a very reliable and versatile software: we serve about 1500 users and use them also to manage the pubblic access computers in our libraries. The major concern is that is necessary to use a port different from 80, so users behind firewalls have problems to connect . To solve this problem last year we installed also an ezproxy that works on the port 80 as a normal webserver. If you plan to use squid-cache for off-campus access, keep in mind that is also necessary: a) create a PAC (proxy autoconfiguration file http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config) that should be located in a public accessible URL and should be loaded by the users browser (is used to select the domains/URLs to be proxied) We have a very high number of domains/URLs to manage so we have automatized the PAC creation using a database and some jave servlet. This system is used also to create and update the Ezproxy configuration file. b) connect to an authentication/authorization system. We use a central Radius-server used also by the institutional mailserver. The interface Squid-Radius is a perl script that use some modules distributed by CPAN. bye Federica At 19.43 20/02/2007, Thomas Edelblute wrote: >There is squid at http://www.squid-cache.org/ but I have not used it so >I cannot speak to its capabilities. > >Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator >Anaheim Public Library > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Blake Carver >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:43 AM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: [Web4lib] Alternatives To EZProxy? > >Hi All >I'm curious about proxy servers similiar to ezproxy, is anyone using >similiar systems for comparison? > >Thanks >Blake Carver >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > >THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR >ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS >PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER >APPLICABLE LAWS. 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Thank you. > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- Federica Zanardini Divisione Coordinamento Biblioteche - Biblioteca Digitale Universita' degli Studi di Milano Via G.Colombo,46 - 20133 Milano Italy Phone:+39-02-503-15218 Fax:+39-02-503-15278 mailto:Federica.zanardini@unimi.it -------------------------------------------------------------- From jakob.voss at gbv.de Wed Feb 21 06:48:27 2007 From: jakob.voss at gbv.de (Jakob Voss) Date: Wed Feb 21 06:47:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Richard Wiggins wrote: > What that episode caused me to realize is this: > > -- Since anyone can publish an article on any topic, the Wikipedia corpus > will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print encyclopedia has a budget, > and articles on very obscure topics won't get published. The Britannica > will never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. There is also a lot of nonsense and obscure topics published in books and journal articles. So should we blame the "book and journal corpus"? The error lies in pointing to Wikipedia as an authority - that's like telling "I read it in a book" or "a friend told me". > -- An article on an obscure topic won't be checked, and will live to be > cited as authority someday when finally someone stumbles on it. If it will be cited as an authority then there was probably no better reliable, accesible, and comprehensible source to cite. The problem is not Wikipedia but lack of open access and transparent science in this obscure topic. > -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long tail. And it will have > an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. Yes there will always be errors in Wikipedia but I am not sure whether it really growths. Maybe it's the case in English Wikipedia where Ninja Turtles get their own articles and uncited single sentences are marked as "article stub" instead of deleting it, but there are other languages where quality is valued more than quantity. By the way there are also standards of quality in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt wrote: > Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a mammal here, but with > a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or tail and with a > rich symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a social animal, > but not the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you come home > or go into the barn. Thanks for this wonderful quote! and: > My best source of fun in the latter comes from a study that came out > as an article titled "'Memex' as an image of potentiality in > information retrieval research and development" by Linda C. Smith. In > her study Linda C. Smith showed, by a thorough analysis of those > articles which cited Vannevar Bush's 1945 "As We May Think" article, > that shcolars quoted what they wanted in order to prove what they > wanted regardless of the original intent of the author, Vannevar Bush > and the presence of contradictory statments in other places in the > text. I included this information in the German Wikipedia article on Citation: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zitation#Quellen Frankly speaking I have not read Linda's article. So am I a bad Wikipedia editor? Do I add falsehood to Wikipedia? Will readers trust Wikipedia because they trust me as a Wikipedia editor and I trust you you and you trust Linda and Linda trusts her own research? Greetings, Jakob Voss P.S: People would like to have a reliable leader they can blindly trust in aspect. Wikipedia does not even pretent to be such a guide! There are warning signs, you should know that everyone can edit etc. - but people still want it to be an omniscient source - maybe thinking and uncertainty is just too uncomfortable? From Rob.Styles at talis.com Wed Feb 21 07:45:14 2007 From: Rob.Styles at talis.com (Rob Styles) Date: Wed Feb 21 07:45:44 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Message-ID: Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia - handle failures in the integrity of the work. If I reference a Journal that has incorrect material in it both my reference to the material and the material itself remain static. More up-to-date material has no effect and the link remains intact in perpetuum. An interested party reading my paper and following my reference will not necessarily find any superseding publications. If I reference (in print) an article on Wikipedia that has incorrect material in it my reference may remain static but the material need not. The article can be updated to reflect new information, corrections, citations of newer sources. If my article achieves notoriety for, perhaps, misquoting or misrepresenting the meaning of the Wikipedia article the article can supplemented to correct and specifically address visitors arriving from my reference. Those interested in what was contained on Wikipedia at the time of my reference can refer to the history and make their own conclusions. In short, web-based material is able to recover from mistakes in a way that printed material is not. I'm not a huge fan of Wikipedia, but the medium (the web) has very different and interesting dynamics. rob Rob Styles Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 msn: mmmmmrob@yahoo.com irc: irc.freenode.net/mmmmmrob,isnick > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib- > bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jakob Voss > Sent: 21 February 2007 11:48 > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha > > Richard Wiggins wrote: > > > What that episode caused me to realize is this: > > > > -- Since anyone can publish an article on any topic, the Wikipedia > corpus > > will grow ad infinitum. By contrast, a print encyclopedia has a > budget, > > and articles on very obscure topics won't get published. The > Britannica > > will never offer a long tail of very obscure articles. > > There is also a lot of nonsense and obscure topics published in books > and journal articles. So should we blame the "book and journal corpus"? > The error lies in pointing to Wikipedia as an authority - that's like > telling "I read it in a book" or "a friend told me". > > > -- An article on an obscure topic won't be checked, and will live to > be > > cited as authority someday when finally someone stumbles on it. > > If it will be cited as an authority then there was probably no better > reliable, accesible, and comprehensible source to cite. The problem is > not Wikipedia but lack of open access and transparent science in this > obscure topic. > > > -- Therefore, where Wikipedia fails is in the long tail. And it will > have > > an ever-growing, ever-longer tail of falsehood. > > Yes there will always be errors in Wikipedia but I am not sure whether > it really growths. Maybe it's the case in English Wikipedia where Ninja > Turtles get their own articles and uncited single sentences are marked > as "article stub" instead of deleting it, but there are other languages > where quality is valued more than quantity. > > By the way there are also standards of quality in Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability > > > Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt wrote: > > > Gentlemen (and ladies) we are not dealing with a mammal here, but > with > > a giant amoeba, with no easily discernible head or tail and with a > > rich symbiotic mass of life within its body. It's a social animal, > > but not the kind who's going to lick your fingers when you come home > > or go into the barn. > > Thanks for this wonderful quote! > > and: > > > My best source of fun in the latter comes from a study that came out > > as an article titled "'Memex' as an image of potentiality in > > information retrieval research and development" by Linda C. Smith. > In > > her study Linda C. Smith showed, by a thorough analysis of those > > articles which cited Vannevar Bush's 1945 "As We May Think" article, > > that shcolars quoted what they wanted in order to prove what they > > wanted regardless of the original intent of the author, Vannevar Bush > > and the presence of contradictory statments in other places in the > > text. > > I included this information in the German Wikipedia article on > Citation: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zitation#Quellen > > Frankly speaking I have not read Linda's article. So am I a bad > Wikipedia editor? Do I add falsehood to Wikipedia? Will readers trust > Wikipedia because they trust me as a Wikipedia editor and I trust you > you and you trust Linda and Linda trusts her own research? > > Greetings, > Jakob Voss > > P.S: People would like to have a reliable leader they can blindly trust > in aspect. Wikipedia does not even pretent to be such a guide! 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From wiiat at kis-lab.com Wed Feb 21 08:05:56 2007 From: wiiat at kis-lab.com (Jia Hu) Date: Wed Feb 21 08:05:58 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] WI-IAT'07 (Silicon Valley, USA) CALL FOR WORKSHOP PROPOSALS Message-ID: [Apologies if you receive this more than once] ============================================================== Call for Workshop Proposals 2007 IEEE/WIC/ACM International Joint Conference on Web Intelligence and Intelligent Agent Technology (WI-IAT'07) Silicon Valley, USA, November 2-5, 2007. http://www.cs.sjsu.edu/wi07/ ******************************************************************* Workshop Proposals Due: ** March 20 **, 2007 All papers accepted for workshops will be included in the Workshop Proceedings published by the IEEE Computer Society Press, which are indexed by EI. =================================================================== The Program Committees of the 2007 IEEE/WIC/ACM International Joint Conference on Web Intelligence and Intelligent Agent Technology (WI-IAT'07) invite proposals for Workshops. The Workshops will be held within the Conference, November 2-5, 2007 at Silicon Valley, USA. The workshop organizers will be responsible for advertising the workshop, forming the program committees, reviewing and selecting the papers, and guaranteeing a high quality worthy of the prestige and range of the Conference. All papers accepted for workshops will be included in the Workshop Proceedings published by the IEEE Computer Society Press and will be available at the workshops. The workshop organizers will also have the discretion of editing selected papers (after their expansion and revision) into books or special journal issues. Workshops may be full-day or half-day. A full-day workshop should select 20-25 regular papers, while a half-day workshop should select 10-13 regular papers, from a large number of submissions. The workshop organizers should ensure the presence of authors of accepted papers at the workshops. I. Workshop Topics Each workshop subject will focus on new research challenges and initiatives in Web Intelligence (WI) and Intelligent Agent Technology (IAT). The workshops should provide an informal and vibrant forum for researchers and industry practitioners to share their research results and practical development experiences in these two fields. Suggested, but not limited to, workshop topics include: - Intelligent E-Technology (including E-Science, E-Business, E-Learning, E-Finance, E-Government, E-Community) - Intelligent Human-Web Interaction - Knowledge Grids and Grid Intelligence - Semantics and Ontology Engineering - Social Networks and Social Intelligence - Ubiquitous Computing - Web Agents - Web Information Filtering and Retrieval - Web Mining and Farming - Web Security, Integrity, Privacy and Trust - Web Services and Grid Services - Web Support Systems - World Wide Wisdom Web (W4) - Agent Systems Modeling and Methodology - Autonomous Knowledge and Information Agents - Autonomous Auctions and Negotiation - Autonomy-Oriented Computing (AOC) - Learning and Self-Adapting Agents - Distributed Intelligence II. Workshop Proposal Submission Workshop proposals should include the following elements: - Title of the workshop - Your name, affiliation, mailing address and e-mail address - A description of the topic of the workshop (not exceeding 200 words) - Type of the workshop (full-day or half-day) - A description of how the workshop will contribute to the field of Web Intelligence and/or Intelligent Agent Technology - A short description on how the workshop will be advertised so as to ensure a sufficiently wide range of authors and high quality papers After the acceptance of a workshop proposal the organizer(s) should: - Create a "Call for papers/participation" for the workshop - Create a Web page for the workshop, the link of which will be published on the Conference Web site - Create a Board of Reviewers (Program Committee) - Review and select papers - Schedule the workshop activities Those papers selected by the organizer(s) will also be reviewed by the Workshop Co-Chairs for final acceptance. All submitted papers will be reviewed on the basis of technical quality, relevance, significance, and clarity. We will provide an online paper submission and review system to support the workshops. III. Important Dates - March 20, 2007: Workshop proposal submission due (Please send proposals by e-mail to both Workshop Co-Chairs) - April 1, 2007: Notification to workshop proposers - April 10, 2007: Each workshop organizer sends out Call for Workshops Papers - June 20, 2007: Due date for full workshop papers submission (at least two reviews for each paper) - August 2, 2007: Final acceptance by Workshop Co-Chairs - August 3, 2007: Notification of paper acceptance to authors - August 17, 2007: Camera-ready of accepted papers - November 2-5, 2007: Workshops We look forward to your support in making 2007 IEEE/WIC/ACM WI-IAT workshops an exciting event. Workshop Co-Chairs: Vijay Raghavan, University of Louisiana E-mail: raghavan@cacs.louisiana.edu Yuefeng Li, Queensland University of Technology, Australia E-mail: y2.li@qut.edu.au Note: we will not have a separate workshop registration fee this year (i.e., only one conference registration covers everything). For your information, the WI-IAT'07 conference will be co-located with the IEEE International Conference on BioInformation and BioMedicine (BIBM'07) and IEEE International Conference on Granular Computing (GrC'07) for providing synergism among the four research areas. It will provide opportunities for technical collaboration beyond that of previous conferences. The four conferences will have the joint opening, keynote, reception, and banquet. Attendees only need to register one conference and can attend sessions across the four conferences. We are planning to have a joint panel and joint paper sessions that discuss common problems in the four areas. From hlapp at duke.edu Wed Feb 21 10:02:11 2007 From: hlapp at duke.edu (Hilmar Lapp) Date: Wed Feb 21 10:02:21 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] software registry Message-ID: <0DDF1033-8640-4FC7-BB4A-8082A60C6BC4@duke.edu> Hi, I wanted to ask whether anyone is aware of a searchable (public) registry for metadata about software, discipline-specific or not. Thanks, -hilmar -- =========================================================== : Hilmar Lapp -:- Durham, NC -:- hlapp at duke dot edu : =========================================================== From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Feb 21 10:35:08 2007 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed Feb 21 10:35:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/21/07 4:45 AM, "Rob Styles" wrote: > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. Yes, by all means, lets. One aspect of this is knowing who is doing the vetting. With a standard journal, there is a masthead which identifies the editor, editorial board, and others involved in the production of (and therefore are responsible for) the contents of the publication. Typically this includes their organizational affiliation. They are, in a very real sense, putting their reputations and the reputations of their institutions on the line that what appears in the journal is worthy to appear there (note that I did not stay "true" since anyone who knows the first thing about the history of science knows that this is a slippery commodity). Meanwhile, good luck with knowing who stands behind Wikipedia. Sure, you have Jimmy Wales but from there things get foggy fast. There are well over a thousand people with administrator rights on the site with privileges to dump your contributions, lock the page, etc. Finding out who these people are and what their credentials are is a hit or miss activity. For example, administrator "1ne" has a number of deletions, user blocks, contributions, and other edits to his or her credit, but there is no way to find out who this person is. Administrator "23skidoo" is a self-proclaimed "trivia fanatic". Administrator "BigDT" has a photo gallery, "general thoughts", and college football news on his/her user page, but not much else. Oh, and the page for administrator "C12H22O11" simply displays the chemical diagram for sucrose. Nice. So yes, Rob is correct that web-based information (whether Wikipedia articles or peer-reviewed journal articles) can be corrected in a way that print cannot. But there are many dimensions to integrity. Roy From Scott_Warren at ncsu.edu Wed Feb 21 10:36:31 2007 From: Scott_Warren at ncsu.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Feb 21 10:36:47 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf><45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> Message-ID: <45DC66FF.4000303@ncsu.edu> Teman is the indefinite plural of tema which means theme, so teman means themes. Subjects is basically accurate. They seem to be written by librarians. By clicking on the part that says l?s (read) below each entry, and then where it says 'av' (by), short bios come up. Every one I've looked at, about a half dozen, all work for libraries. Not all are reference librarians, however. They seem to be spanning lots of jobs, including at least one or two behind the scenes IT folk. Here's an example, On the Tips and Teman page, http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=2994&refid=2989 Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine literature') brings up this page, http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=5610&ptid= Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to read') Clicking on that takes you to http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=5284 where it says Av Daniel Andersson (By Daniel Andersson). Click his name and you get his bio http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=2149 and you see he works on the Swedish library website. It might be possible for the general public to comment. My Swedish is very very rapidly being outstripped here, but the bottom paragraph on the tips and themes page, N?r du l?ser och tar del av materialet, var med och tyck till! I anslutning till m?nga teman och listor finns m?jlighet f?r dig att skriva kommentarer och att s?tta betyg! Har du tips p? ?mnen du vill l?sa mer om? Skriv och tyck! roughly (and I mean that!) seems to say that "when you read and take out things...you can complete many 'themes' and lists because there is the possibility for you to write commentaries and to say/compose your testimony. Do you have tips on [your] intentions you want to read more about? Write and Think/Imagine!" So based on my course translation which offers no guarantees, I think there is some possibility for feedback or participation. Scott Cary Gordon wrote: > Well, if you would like a bizarro machine translation, there is: > http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblioteket.stock > holm.se%2Fdefault.asp%3Fid%3D2994%26refid%3D2989+&type=text&text=&from=swe&t > o=eng > > It translates "Tips och teman." to "Hint and subject" > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Bret Parker > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:27 PM > To: Scott Warren; web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website > > Would anyone that knows Swedish care to comment on this page: > > http://www.biblioteket.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=2994&refid=2989 > > I am intrigued with the links in the left sidebar under the heading: > "Tips och teman." > > Are these blogging categories? Are they posts by library staff or the > community at large? > > Bret Parker > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scott Warren, M.A. LIS Assistant Head Textiles Library and Engineering Services North Carolina State University Libraries Box 8301 Raleigh, NC 27695-8301 919-515-6602 (phone) 919-515-3926 (fax) scott_warren@ncsu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 10:57:38 2007 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed Feb 21 10:57:56 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Message-ID: That cuts both ways. It would be foolish to assume that each article grows ever more perfect over time. Remember Wikipedia having to ban house.govbecause Congressional staffers were gleefully editing their bosses' bios to sanitize away their foibles? Any given edit could be an improvement, or it could turn the Wikipedia article into total falsehood. And there is no version control. Thus you could cite the earlier, correct version of the article, and when people follow the citation link, they get the current, 100% wrong version. /rich On 2/21/07, Rob Styles wrote: > > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. > > > If I reference (in print) an article on Wikipedia that has incorrect > material in it my reference may remain static but the material need not. > The article can be updated to reflect new information, corrections, > citations of newer sources. If my article achieves notoriety for, > perhaps, misquoting or misrepresenting the meaning of the Wikipedia > article the article can supplemented to correct and specifically address > visitors arriving from my reference. Those interested in what was > contained on Wikipedia at the time of my reference can refer to the > history and make their own conclusions. > > In short, web-based material is able to recover from mistakes in a way > that printed material is not. > > From wkurt at bbn.com Wed Feb 21 11:03:26 2007 From: wkurt at bbn.com (Will Kurt) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:03:31 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070221110159.023a7a58@bbn.com> At 10:35 AM 2/21/2007, Roy Tennant wrote: >They are, in a very real >sense, putting their reputations and the reputations of their institutions >on the line that what appears in the journal is worthy to appear there I think people too easily underestimate the ability of scholarly journals to be just as petty regarding reputation as any online forum. Alan Sokal's hoax submission to 'Social Text' is about ridiculous/childish as any 'flame wars' that go on in internet communities. And it's not just that incident either. Recently a research project I did for a user focused on some of Donald Foster's work in 'Computers and the Humanities', during which I uncovered what essentially was years worth of scholarly name-calling between Foster and two other researchers Elliot and Valenza. Yes, there was some real research behind all of it, but dialog itself was far from serious scholarly communication (and I do think much the seriousness of the research could also be questioned). Likewise I think people underestimate how seriously many online contributors take their reputations, pseudonymous or not. Being in the top 1% of Digg users is a big deal, and this similar in any other dynamic online community. Just because online reputation rarely translates to academic doesn't mean it isn't just as valuable. For a similar case just look at the hacker community, reputation is very important despite a culture that exists entirely pseudonymously. And there's one online culture that often does translate directly from pseudonymous to mainstream/real world reputations. There is such a thing as pseudonymous accountability, and I would actually argue it is stronger because of the potential for abuse. Reputations online can be harder to build and easier to damage. From Rob.Styles at talis.com Wed Feb 21 11:04:37 2007 From: Rob.Styles at talis.com (Rob Styles) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:11:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Message-ID: You're right of course that not all edits are improvements and that is the thrust of much of the discussion on this thread. That's part of the downside of collaboration with groups of any size. I agree that there also a number of pages that are so contentious that they have to be special cases. You are incorrect about the assertion that there is no versioning, however. All pages carry full history in a little tab at the top: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Library_2.0&action=history rob Rob Styles Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 msn: mmmmmrob@yahoo.com irc: irc.freenode.net/mmmmmrob,isnick From: Richard Wiggins [mailto:richard.wiggins@gmail.com] Sent: 21 February 2007 15:58 To: Rob Styles Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha That cuts both ways. It would be foolish to assume that each article grows ever more perfect over time. Remember Wikipedia having to ban house.gov because Congressional staffers were gleefully editing their bosses' bios to sanitize away their foibles? Any given edit could be an improvement, or it could turn the Wikipedia article into total falsehood. And there is no version control. Thus you could cite the earlier, correct version of the article, and when people follow the citation link, they get the current, 100% wrong version. /rich On 2/21/07, Rob Styles wrote: Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia - handle failures in the integrity of the work. If I reference (in print) an article on Wikipedia that has incorrect material in it my reference may remain static but the material need not. The article can be updated to reflect new information, corrections, citations of newer sources. If my article achieves notoriety for, perhaps, misquoting or misrepresenting the meaning of the Wikipedia article the article can supplemented to correct and specifically address visitors arriving from my reference. Those interested in what was contained on Wikipedia at the time of my reference can refer to the history and make their own conclusions. In short, web-based material is able to recover from mistakes in a way that printed material is not. The very latest from Talis read the latest news at www.talis.com/news listen to our podcasts www.talis.com/podcasts see us at these events www.talis.com/events join the discussion here www.talis.com/forums join our developer community www.talis.com/tdn and read our blogs www.talis.com/blogs Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be those of Talis Information Ltd. The content of this email message and any files that may be attached are confidential, and for the usage of the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, then please return this message to the sender and delete it. Any use of this e-mail by an unauthorised recipient is prohibited. Talis Information Ltd is a member of the Talis Group of companies and is registered in England No 3638278 with its registered office at Knights Court, Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YB. From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Wed Feb 21 11:13:31 2007 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:13:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c755d3$3af71440$3856df80@library.uoregon.edu> Roy notes correctly that one benefit of a traditional journal is that there is a well known editor who takes responsibility for the quality of a journal. Those individual editors are critically important to their fields. What I think we can easily underestimate, though, is the degree to which there are other vetting processes that work behind the scenes. In most disciplines, the actual decision on whether an article should be published and what revisions are required is mostly based on the written opinions of anonymous reviewers (chosen by the editor, to be sure, but their opinions are not made public). If you've ever published in a controversial area, you know that there's a lot of politics that goes on. And certainly those anonymous reviewers, by the nature of the beast, are even less publicly accountable than Roy's wikipedia contributors. Perhaps the greatest strength of the traditional journal system when it worked correctly was that an author was guaranteed that at least a couple of colleagues (the reviewers) would actually read the draft paper carefully! But the tradeoff is coarse granularity of review and lack of transparency in the process. A postmodernist would typically see the traditional system as being very much the captive of the existing power structure in each discipline. I think it will be several decades before we know whether the more open wikipedia-like or arXiv-like processes produce better scholarship than the old way did, or what the new rules governing the debate will be. But the times, they are indeed changing. JQ Johnson, Director Office: 115F Knight Library Center for Educational Technologies mailto:jqj@uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 11:37:28 2007 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:48:35 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu> <423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> <45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Message-ID: Let me clarify: People who cite Wikipedia do not tend to cite a version. They cite Wikipedia. So you read an old article citing an old version, you head to Wikipedia and you read new, possibly better, possibly worse information. /rich On 2/21/07, Rob Styles wrote: > > You're right of course that not all edits are improvements and that is > the thrust of much of the discussion on this thread. That's part of the > downside of collaboration with groups of any size. I agree that there also a > number of pages that are so contentious that they have to be special cases. > > > > You are incorrect about the assertion that there is no versioning, > however. All pages carry full history in a little tab at the top: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Library_2.0&action=history > > > > rob > > > > Rob Styles > Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis > tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 > fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 > direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 > mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 > msn: mmmmmrob@yahoo.com > irc: irc.freenode.net/mmmmmrob,isnick > > > *From:* Richard Wiggins [mailto:richard.wiggins@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 21 February 2007 15:58 > *To:* Rob Styles > *Cc:* web4lib@webjunction.org > *Subject:* Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha > > > > That cuts both ways. It would be foolish to assume that each article > grows ever more perfect over time. Remember Wikipedia having to ban > house.gov because Congressional staffers were gleefully editing their > bosses' bios to sanitize away their foibles? Any given edit could be an > improvement, or it could turn the Wikipedia article into total falsehood. > > > > And there is no version control. > > > > Thus you could cite the earlier, correct version of the article, and when > people follow the citation link, they get the current, 100% wrong version. > > > > /rich > > > > On 2/21/07, *Rob Styles* wrote: > > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. > > > If I reference (in print) an article on Wikipedia that has incorrect > material in it my reference may remain static but the material need not. > The article can be updated to reflect new information, corrections, > citations of newer sources. If my article achieves notoriety for, > perhaps, misquoting or misrepresenting the meaning of the Wikipedia > article the article can supplemented to correct and specifically address > visitors arriving from my reference. Those interested in what was > contained on Wikipedia at the time of my reference can refer to the > history and make their own conclusions. > > In short, web-based material is able to recover from mistakes in a way > that printed material is not. > > > *The very latest from Talis* > > read the latest news at *www.talis.com/news* > > listen to our podcasts *www.talis.com/podcasts* > > see us at these events *www.talis.com/events* > > join the discussion here *www.talis.com/forums* > > join our developer community *www.talis.com/tdn* > > and read our blogs *www.talis.com/blogs* > > Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be > those of Talis Information Ltd. The content of this email message and any > files that may be attached are confidential, and for the usage of the > intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, then please > return this message to the sender and delete it. Any use of this e-mail by > an unauthorised recipient is prohibited. > > > Talis Information Ltd is a member of the Talis Group of companies and is > registered in England No 3638278 with its registered office at Knights > Court, Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YB. > From jfsieh at aol.com Wed Feb 21 11:46:57 2007 From: jfsieh at aol.com (jfsieh@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:54:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Need help for genealogy research Message-ID: <8C923EF08A13A80-1DD4-D29@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Hi there, I have a friend who wants to know if she qualifies for the membership with the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR). I browsed through the DAR website and examined some of the resources they recommend, but beyond these, can anyone here suggest additional ways in assisting her genealogy research? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From jakob.voss at gbv.de Wed Feb 21 12:06:44 2007 From: jakob.voss at gbv.de (Jakob Voss) Date: Wed Feb 21 12:07:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DC7C24.4040606@gbv.de> Roy Tennant wrote: > Meanwhile, good luck with knowing who stands behind Wikipedia. Sure, you > have Jimmy Wales but from there things get foggy fast. There are well over a > thousand people with administrator rights on the site with privileges to > dump your contributions, lock the page, etc. Finding out who these people > are and what their credentials are is a hit or miss activity. Yes, you hit the sore point - it's difficult to find out authors and responsibilities. Wikimedia Foundation is going to establish a feature called "stable versions" or "verified versions" where people can mark specific versions as checke (or some other state) so you know that this person stands with his reputation behind the article - but implementing and adding such new features into Wikipedia is like the work of Sisyphus - there are so many wishes to enhance the functionality and the developers do their best to even keep the site running. It's on you (the public) to push Wikimedia Foundation to finally implement stable and verified versions. Articles from outside the Wikipedia community sometimes have a higher impact than internal discussion. Richard Wiggins wrote: > And there is no version control. > > Thus you could cite the earlier, correct version of the article, > and when people follow the citation link, they get the current, > 100% wrong version. There *is* version control, but people don't use it when citing Wikipedia. There are two small links named "Permanent link" and "Cite this article" in the "toolbox" left of each article, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=White_House&id=109806282 I think many people don't know this, but maybe it's also an attitude of "well my reader shoud get the newest version of the Wikipedia article" - so you cannot complain that the newest version may be worse the the actual version. Will Kurt wrote: > Likewise I think people underestimate how seriously many > online contributors take their reputations, pseudonymous or not. Yes - online reputation in general is not worth less then academic reputation - but in Wikipedia the reputation (that I as a "zealot" may be aware of) is less visible to readers then reputation of academic scholars. This must be improved and stable/verified versions may be a part of it. Greetings, Jakob P.S: Stable version is currently pushed by the German Wikipedia community so best documentation that I am aware of is in German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gesichtete_Versionen http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gepr%C3%BCfte_Versionen As I said, this feature is beeing implemented but unfortunately it's not at the top of Wikimedia Foundation's TODO list. -- http://wm.sieheauch.de From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 21 12:34:13 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Wed Feb 21 12:36:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD0@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> While you don't know the real identity of the administrators and contributors to Wikipedia, you do know their online identities, and they are putting their reputations on the line within that community in a way that many of them feel is just as real as traditional authorship. (Not, perhaps, to the highest standards of peer-reviewed original scholarship, but that's not what encyclopaedias are for). The social norms that make the reputations of editors and institutions a guarantor of probity took centuries to evolve, in an environment dominated by print technology; now that evolutionary process has to adapt to a new environment. That we'll end up with a new animal descended from traditional concepts of authority is inevitable, not worth arguing about. It's the shape of that new animal that's interesting, and manifestations of the social web like Wikipedia are starting to show us where it might be going. Peter Peter Binkley Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley@ualberta.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:35 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha On 2/21/07 4:45 AM, "Rob Styles" wrote: > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and > Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. Yes, by all means, lets. One aspect of this is knowing who is doing the vetting. With a standard journal, there is a masthead which identifies the editor, editorial board, and others involved in the production of (and therefore are responsible for) the contents of the publication. Typically this includes their organizational affiliation. They are, in a very real sense, putting their reputations and the reputations of their institutions on the line that what appears in the journal is worthy to appear there (note that I did not stay "true" since anyone who knows the first thing about the history of science knows that this is a slippery commodity). Meanwhile, good luck with knowing who stands behind Wikipedia. Sure, you have Jimmy Wales but from there things get foggy fast. There are well over a thousand people with administrator rights on the site with privileges to dump your contributions, lock the page, etc. Finding out who these people are and what their credentials are is a hit or miss activity. For example, administrator "1ne" has a number of deletions, user blocks, contributions, and other edits to his or her credit, but there is no way to find out who this person is. Administrator "23skidoo" is a self-proclaimed "trivia fanatic". Administrator "BigDT" has a photo gallery, "general thoughts", and college football news on his/her user page, but not much else. Oh, and the page for administrator "C12H22O11" simply displays the chemical diagram for sucrose. Nice. So yes, Rob is correct that web-based information (whether Wikipedia articles or peer-reviewed journal articles) can be corrected in a way that print cannot. But there are many dimensions to integrity. Roy _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From KButler at hillsml.lib.nh.us Wed Feb 21 12:48:35 2007 From: KButler at hillsml.lib.nh.us (Kate Butler) Date: Wed Feb 21 12:51:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha References: <200702181422.l1IEMqLu000411@courier2.wesleyan.edu><423332.14272.qm@web50108.mail.yahoo.com><45DC318B.8070304@gbv.de> Message-ID: <89F9FFC512FE4A4799DEB13D459EF854068A54@CYPRUS.hillsml.local> That may be true, but any proper citation of a website should include the date it was accessed. Wikipedia isn't the only website that can be changed, deleted or altered in between the period of time when the citation is made and someone else goes to check up on it. Perhaps in the case of a wikipedia article it may be wise to also include the -time-, since a page may be updated several times in a day. (Then again, this is the case for -any- website...) With that information at hand, it should be a relatively simple exercise to consult the history and locate the version that was there when the citer saw it. Kate ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Richard Wiggins Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 11:37 AM To: Rob Styles Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha[Spam score: 8%]_ Let me clarify: People who cite Wikipedia do not tend to cite a version. They cite Wikipedia. So you read an old article citing an old version, you head to Wikipedia and you read new, possibly better, possibly worse information. /rich On 2/21/07, Rob Styles wrote: > > You're right of course that not all edits are improvements and that is > the thrust of much of the discussion on this thread. That's part of the > downside of collaboration with groups of any size. I agree that there also a > number of pages that are so contentious that they have to be special cases. > > > > You are incorrect about the assertion that there is no versioning, > however. All pages carry full history in a little tab at the top: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Library_2.0&action=history > > > > rob > > > > Rob Styles > Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis > tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 > fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 > direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 > mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 > msn: mmmmmrob@yahoo.com > irc: irc.freenode.net/mmmmmrob,isnick > > > *From:* Richard Wiggins [mailto:richard.wiggins@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 21 February 2007 15:58 > *To:* Rob Styles > *Cc:* web4lib@webjunction.org > *Subject:* Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha > > > > That cuts both ways. It would be foolish to assume that each article > grows ever more perfect over time. Remember Wikipedia having to ban > house.gov because Congressional staffers were gleefully editing their > bosses' bios to sanitize away their foibles? Any given edit could be an > improvement, or it could turn the Wikipedia article into total falsehood. > > > > And there is no version control. > > > > Thus you could cite the earlier, correct version of the article, and when > people follow the citation link, they get the current, 100% wrong version. > > > > /rich > > > > On 2/21/07, *Rob Styles* wrote: > > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. > > > If I reference (in print) an article on Wikipedia that has incorrect > material in it my reference may remain static but the material need not. > The article can be updated to reflect new information, corrections, > citations of newer sources. If my article achieves notoriety for, > perhaps, misquoting or misrepresenting the meaning of the Wikipedia > article the article can supplemented to correct and specifically address > visitors arriving from my reference. Those interested in what was > contained on Wikipedia at the time of my reference can refer to the > history and make their own conclusions. > > In short, web-based material is able to recover from mistakes in a way > that printed material is not. > > > *The very latest from Talis* > > read the latest news at *www.talis.com/news* > > listen to our podcasts *www.talis.com/podcasts* > > see us at these events *www.talis.com/events* > > join the discussion here *www.talis.com/forums* > > join our developer community *www.talis.com/tdn* > > and read our blogs *www.talis.com/blogs* > > Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be > those of Talis Information Ltd. The content of this email message and any > files that may be attached are confidential, and for the usage of the > intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, then please > return this message to the sender and delete it. Any use of this e-mail by > an unauthorised recipient is prohibited. > > > Talis Information Ltd is a member of the Talis Group of companies and is > registered in England No 3638278 with its registered office at Knights > Court, Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YB. > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 14:48:48 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Wed Feb 21 14:48:54 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <89F9FFC512FE4A4799DEB13D459EF854068A54@CYPRUS.hillsml.local> Message-ID: <409741.26921.qm@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it seems that most of the wikipedia problems, and responses to them, that have been expressed on the web4lib list are those that have already been hashed and re-hashed a zillion times before, perhaps since the inception of the thing -- either beast or wonder child, depending on your point of view. so, at the risk of creating an even more extensively tentacled wikipedia monster (referring to the dialog about wikipedia), i'd like to know if those interested parties could come to some agreement as to what the important wiki issues are, then could list and discuss them in an organized fashion (preferably on a blog created solely for that purpose, but that would be asking way too much!). it might also be interesting to see, in a factual way, if any solutions to these issues have been incorporated in some form throughout the continuing evolution of wikipedia. as it stands now, much eloquence appears to be wasted here in a mostly haphazard approach that only reiterates old issues, and neither brings new information to the table nor moves the discussion forward in either a creative or productive way. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 14:49:01 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Wed Feb 21 14:49:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <89F9FFC512FE4A4799DEB13D459EF854068A54@CYPRUS.hillsml.local> Message-ID: <249902.22010.qm@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it seems that most of the wikipedia problems, and responses to them, that have been expressed on the web4lib list are those that have already been hashed and re-hashed a zillion times before, perhaps since the inception of the thing -- either beast or wonder child, depending on your point of view. so, at the risk of creating an even more extensively tentacled wikipedia monster (referring to the dialog about wikipedia), i'd like to know if those interested parties could come to some agreement as to what the important wiki issues are, then could list and discuss them in an organized fashion (preferably on a blog created solely for that purpose, but that would be asking way too much!). it might also be interesting to see, in a factual way, if any solutions to these issues have been incorporated in some form throughout the continuing evolution of wikipedia. as it stands now, much eloquence appears to be wasted here in a mostly haphazard approach that only reiterates old issues, and neither brings new information to the table nor moves the discussion forward in either a creative or productive way. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no Wed Feb 21 14:55:05 2007 From: anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no (Anders Ericson) Date: Wed Feb 21 14:55:31 2007 Subject: SV: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: 45DC66FF.4000303@ncsu.edu References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf><45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us><01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> 45DC66FF.4000303@ncsu.edu Message-ID: <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> Just some minor comments on parts of Scott's last message, as long he invites to it: > Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine > literature') brings up this page, The direct translation of 'Sk?nlitteratur' is 'fine literature', as Scott says, but in real life it is simply Fiction! Novels, drama, poetry; the whole package > Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you > may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to read') Neither, I'm sorry to say. But: 'Read books you're not allowed/supposed to read'--- He refers to and copies the ALA list of banned books... it's not Swedish at all! The rest is all fine, Scott! Best wishes, Anders Ericson From ecraig at cnr.edu Wed Feb 21 14:58:33 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Wed Feb 21 14:59:25 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- the student perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD0@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD0@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72488@adams.cnr.edu> Since the Wikipedia thread has been going strong, let me add one more element to the fray. An item from Campus Technology's News Update says that Middlebury College has banned student use of the site. While I have some issues with Wikipedia, banning is probably the worst solution possible. What is interesting here for me is not the ban per se, or the Campus Tech report, but the original student's Op-Ed piece in the Student Weekly criticizing the ban. While I hardly agree with everything he says, it is a well worth reading to gain a sense of the student perspective on Wikipedia. And, I am a firm believer that we should listen carefully to our students -- not necessarily agree with them, but at least hear them out. It's interesting to see how they would frame the terms of the debate. The student's Op-Ed piece is here: http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/0 2/14/Opinions/OpEd-Wikipedia.Ban.Is.A.Slippery.Slope-2717613.shtml -e P.s., Patience with the link -- it loads slowly due to heavy traffic on their end (or perhaps we're just having a little too much P2P activity today among CNR students). Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Binkley, Peter Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:34 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha While you don't know the real identity of the administrators and contributors to Wikipedia, you do know their online identities, and they are putting their reputations on the line within that community in a way that many of them feel is just as real as traditional authorship. (Not, perhaps, to the highest standards of peer-reviewed original scholarship, but that's not what encyclopaedias are for). The social norms that make the reputations of editors and institutions a guarantor of probity took centuries to evolve, in an environment dominated by print technology; now that evolutionary process has to adapt to a new environment. That we'll end up with a new animal descended from traditional concepts of authority is inevitable, not worth arguing about. It's the shape of that new animal that's interesting, and manifestations of the social web like Wikipedia are starting to show us where it might be going. Peter Peter Binkley Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley@ualberta.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:35 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha On 2/21/07 4:45 AM, "Rob Styles" wrote: > Let's also consider though how the two systems - journals and > Wikipedia > - handle failures in the integrity of the work. Yes, by all means, lets. One aspect of this is knowing who is doing the vetting. With a standard journal, there is a masthead which identifies the editor, editorial board, and others involved in the production of (and therefore are responsible for) the contents of the publication. Typically this includes their organizational affiliation. They are, in a very real sense, putting their reputations and the reputations of their institutions on the line that what appears in the journal is worthy to appear there (note that I did not stay "true" since anyone who knows the first thing about the history of science knows that this is a slippery commodity). Meanwhile, good luck with knowing who stands behind Wikipedia. Sure, you have Jimmy Wales but from there things get foggy fast. There are well over a thousand people with administrator rights on the site with privileges to dump your contributions, lock the page, etc. Finding out who these people are and what their credentials are is a hit or miss activity. For example, administrator "1ne" has a number of deletions, user blocks, contributions, and other edits to his or her credit, but there is no way to find out who this person is. Administrator "23skidoo" is a self-proclaimed "trivia fanatic". Administrator "BigDT" has a photo gallery, "general thoughts", and college football news on his/her user page, but not much else. Oh, and the page for administrator "C12H22O11" simply displays the chemical diagram for sucrose. Nice. So yes, Rob is correct that web-based information (whether Wikipedia articles or peer-reviewed journal articles) can be corrected in a way that print cannot. But there are many dimensions to integrity. Roy _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tim at librarything.com Wed Feb 21 15:22:59 2007 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Wed Feb 21 15:23:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com> Anders et al., Since we have at least one actual Scandinavian on board, I have a question. Does anyone know anything about the state of libraries and library catalogs in Denmark? I'm going to a conference in Aarhus on March 6 (http://www.aakb.dk/sw104454.asp), and doing a talk on "making your OPAC fun." (Richard Wallis is doing one too, on mashups.) Unfortunately, I know zilch about Denmark and libraries. I think I'm the designated ignorant American, but it would be nice to have some context. Can I assume that Danish librarians will be up on the Swedish scene and will know about the Stockholm Public Library catalog? The languages are largely mutually intelligible, right? Tim On 2/21/07, Anders Ericson wrote: > Just some minor comments on parts of Scott's last message, as long he > invites to it: > > > Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine > > literature') brings up this page, > > The direct translation of 'Sk?nlitteratur' is 'fine literature', as Scott > says, but in real life it is simply Fiction! Novels, drama, poetry; the > whole package > > > Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you > > may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to read') > > Neither, I'm sorry to say. But: 'Read books you're not allowed/supposed to > read'--- He refers to and copies the ALA list of banned books... it's not > Swedish at all! > > The rest is all fine, Scott! > > Best wishes, > Anders Ericson > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From phenriksen at neflin.org Wed Feb 21 15:31:36 2007 From: phenriksen at neflin.org (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed Feb 21 15:36:08 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.co m> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Unfortunately, I know zilch about Denmark and libraries. I think I'm >the designated ignorant American, but it would be nice to have some >context. "Poul Erlandsen" Try writing to Poul. He's been very helpful when I needed information out of Denmark. He works at the National Library of Education. Phalbe Henriksen Director Bradford County Public Library Starke, FL From micah at raincross-tech.com Wed Feb 21 15:45:52 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Wed Feb 21 15:43:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <249902.22010.qm@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <249902.22010.qm@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DCAF80.2040500@raincross-tech.com> A blog doesn't support discussions that well. Perhaps a Wiki to discuss Wikipedia? :) On 02/21/2007 11:49 AM, Marion Sumerianlibrarian wrote: > it seems that most of the wikipedia problems, and > responses to them, that have been expressed on the > web4lib list are those that have already been hashed > and re-hashed a zillion times before, perhaps since > the inception of the thing -- either beast or wonder > child, depending on your point of view. > > so, at the risk of creating an even more extensively > tentacled wikipedia monster (referring to the dialog > about wikipedia), i'd like to know if those interested > parties could come to some agreement as to what the > important wiki issues are, then could list and discuss > them in an organized fashion (preferably on a blog > created solely for that purpose, but that would be > asking way too much!). > > it might also be interesting to see, in a factual way, > if any solutions to these issues have been > incorporated in some form throughout the continuing > evolution of wikipedia. > > as it stands now, much eloquence appears to be wasted > here in a mostly haphazard approach that only > reiterates old issues, and neither brings new > information to the table nor moves the discussion > forward in either a creative or productive way. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From allison.brueckner at comcast.net Wed Feb 21 15:52:05 2007 From: allison.brueckner at comcast.net (Allison Brueckner) Date: Wed Feb 21 15:52:13 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <45DCAF80.2040500@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <001001c755fa$251708c0$6600a8c0@AliCo> Would that make it a meta-wiki-pedia or wiki-meta-media? Or just plan meta-pedia? --ali. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Micah Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:46 PM To: Marion Sumerianlibrarian Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A A blog doesn't support discussions that well. Perhaps a Wiki to discuss Wikipedia? :) On 02/21/2007 11:49 AM, Marion Sumerianlibrarian wrote: > it seems that most of the wikipedia problems, and > responses to them, that have been expressed on the > web4lib list are those that have already been hashed > and re-hashed a zillion times before, perhaps since > the inception of the thing -- either beast or wonder > child, depending on your point of view. > > so, at the risk of creating an even more extensively > tentacled wikipedia monster (referring to the dialog > about wikipedia), i'd like to know if those interested > parties could come to some agreement as to what the > important wiki issues are, then could list and discuss > them in an organized fashion (preferably on a blog > created solely for that purpose, but that would be > asking way too much!). > > it might also be interesting to see, in a factual way, > if any solutions to these issues have been > incorporated in some form throughout the continuing > evolution of wikipedia. > > as it stands now, much eloquence appears to be wasted > here in a mostly haphazard approach that only > reiterates old issues, and neither brings new > information to the table nor moves the discussion > forward in either a creative or productive way. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 15:58:26 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Wed Feb 21 16:01:07 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A Message-ID: <58404.33026.qm@web34606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i'm all for that. at least it would be more easily searched, and less rehash. thank you! ms --- Micah Stevens wrote: > A blog doesn't support discussions that well. > Perhaps a Wiki to discuss > Wikipedia? > > :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 21 15:58:29 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Wed Feb 21 16:05:52 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <45DCAF80.2040500@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD3@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> One potential forum is the Librarians WikiProject within Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Librarians . (As always with Wikipedia pages, don't neglect the Discussion tab!). It would be possible to create a new page off of that one for issues. There's also the "Reliability of Wikipedia" page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia), which has a section on librarians' views. Peter -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Micah Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Marion Sumerianlibrarian Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A A blog doesn't support discussions that well. Perhaps a Wiki to discuss Wikipedia? :) On 02/21/2007 11:49 AM, Marion Sumerianlibrarian wrote: > it seems that most of the wikipedia problems, and responses to them, > that have been expressed on the web4lib list are those that have > already been hashed and re-hashed a zillion times before, perhaps > since the inception of the thing -- either beast or wonder child, > depending on your point of view. > > so, at the risk of creating an even more extensively tentacled > wikipedia monster (referring to the dialog about wikipedia), i'd like > to know if those interested parties could come to some agreement as to > what the important wiki issues are, then could list and discuss them > in an organized fashion (preferably on a blog created solely for that > purpose, but that would be asking way too much!). > > it might also be interesting to see, in a factual way, if any > solutions to these issues have been incorporated in some form > throughout the continuing evolution of wikipedia. > > as it stands now, much eloquence appears to be wasted here in a mostly > haphazard approach that only reiterates old issues, and neither brings > new information to the table nor moves the discussion forward in > either a creative or productive way. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no Wed Feb 21 16:27:27 2007 From: anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no (Anders Ericson) Date: Wed Feb 21 16:27:55 2007 Subject: SV: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: 63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf><45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu><45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton. ca.us><01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa><008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> 63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: <009301c755ff$15c25ff0$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> Yes, Tim, our Scandinavian languages are "largely mutually intelligible". Most conferences in the southern part of Scandinavia attract professionals from all 3 countries. But this one looks just national to me. It's part of a national project. Perhaps project partners only. You'd better ask them. The Danish are very advanced with regard to catalogues probably even by global standards. Their national union catalogue/OPAC is already 5 (?) yrs old. http://bibliotek.dk/?lingo=eng Danish hotshots should know the new Stockholm site, but it's not yet 2 weeks old. I doubt that all know it. Regards, Anders Ericson > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib- > bounces@webjunction.org] P? vegne av Tim Spalding > Sendt: 21. februar 2007 21:23 > Til: web4lib@webjunction.org > Emne: Re: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website > > Anders et al., > > Since we have at least one actual Scandinavian on board, I have a > question. Does anyone know anything about the state of libraries and > library catalogs in Denmark? > > I'm going to a conference in Aarhus on March 6 > (http://www.aakb.dk/sw104454.asp), and doing a talk on "making your > OPAC fun." (Richard Wallis is doing one too, on mashups.) > Unfortunately, I know zilch about Denmark and libraries. I think I'm > the designated ignorant American, but it would be nice to have some > context. > > Can I assume that Danish librarians will be up on the Swedish scene > and will know about the Stockholm Public Library catalog? The >, right? > > Tim > > On 2/21/07, Anders Ericson > wrote: > > Just some minor comments on parts of Scott's last message, as long he > > invites to it: > > > > > Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine > > > literature') brings up this page, > > > > The direct translation of 'Sk?nlitteratur' is 'fine literature', as > Scott > > says, but in real life it is simply Fiction! Novels, drama, poetry; the > > whole package > > > > > Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you > > > may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to > read') > > > > Neither, I'm sorry to say. But: 'Read books you're not allowed/supposed > to > > read'--- He refers to and copies the ALA list of banned books... it's > not > > Swedish at all! > > > > The rest is all fine, Scott! > > > > Best wishes, > > Anders Ericson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ian.ibbotson at k-int.com Wed Feb 21 16:29:32 2007 From: ian.ibbotson at k-int.com (Ian Ibbotson) Date: Wed Feb 21 16:28:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172093372.3407.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> It might also be worth dropping a line to Seb or Adam at index data (www.indexdata.dk). A few years ago I think they were involved in a really cool kids opac project that merged a chat room and an opac.. It resulted in a really neato flash client that the kids loved. Ian. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 15:22 -0500, Tim Spalding wrote: > Anders et al., > > Since we have at least one actual Scandinavian on board, I have a > question. Does anyone know anything about the state of libraries and > library catalogs in Denmark? > > I'm going to a conference in Aarhus on March 6 > (http://www.aakb.dk/sw104454.asp), and doing a talk on "making your > OPAC fun." (Richard Wallis is doing one too, on mashups.) > Unfortunately, I know zilch about Denmark and libraries. I think I'm > the designated ignorant American, but it would be nice to have some > context. > > Can I assume that Danish librarians will be up on the Swedish scene > and will know about the Stockholm Public Library catalog? The > languages are largely mutually intelligible, right? > > Tim > > On 2/21/07, Anders Ericson wrote: > > Just some minor comments on parts of Scott's last message, as long he > > invites to it: > > > > > Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine > > > literature') brings up this page, > > > > The direct translation of 'Sk?nlitteratur' is 'fine literature', as Scott > > says, but in real life it is simply Fiction! Novels, drama, poetry; the > > whole package > > > > > Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you > > > may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to read') > > > > Neither, I'm sorry to say. But: 'Read books you're not allowed/supposed to > > read'--- He refers to and copies the ALA list of banned books... it's not > > Swedish at all! > > > > The rest is all fine, Scott! > > > > Best wishes, > > Anders Ericson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Wed Feb 21 17:09:20 2007 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Wed Feb 21 17:09:08 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] software registry In-Reply-To: <0DDF1033-8640-4FC7-BB4A-8082A60C6BC4@duke.edu> References: <0DDF1033-8640-4FC7-BB4A-8082A60C6BC4@duke.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to ask whether anyone is aware of a searchable (public) registry for > metadata about software, discipline-specific or not. > > Thanks, > > -hilmar Depends how flexible you with the word "registry". Freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net) stores information on many software projecst. Sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net) will have metadata about all the projects that are hosted by them. Then there's a lot of other download sites. Tucows (http://www.tucows.com) and C|Net (http://www.download.com) both come to mind. You can probably check out If you stretch it far enough, I suppose package management systems also contain metadata, so things like the debian package system would be a source. There's probably plenty of groups out there like the GNU project (http://www.gnu.org) out there that list what software they're working on and developing. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 > -- > =========================================================== > : Hilmar Lapp -:- Durham, NC -:- hlapp at duke dot edu : > =========================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From christine at welchmanconsulting.com Wed Feb 21 17:23:52 2007 From: christine at welchmanconsulting.com (Christine Pierpoint) Date: Wed Feb 21 17:24:01 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Operations Survey Message-ID: <200702211726234.SM01972@tiney> My firm is conducting a benchmarking study on Web Operations Management. We've developed a brief online survey to gather information about basic operational Web practices in organizations. If you're interested in participating, please click on the link below. It takes about 5 minutes to take the survey and you can remain anonymous. We will report basic results back to any folks who opt to provide their e-mail address. Please feel free to forward the survey link to other organizations you may think appropriate. Here's the link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=779993187226 Thanks in advance for your participation, Christine Pierpoint Sr. Analyst Welchman Consulting Christine Pierpoint, Senior Consultant Welchman Consulting 6115 Falls Road Lake Falls Professional Center, PH Baltimore, MD 21209 USA http://www.welchmanconsulting.com p. +1 410.323.1454 m. +1 410.365.1401 From hlapp at duke.edu Wed Feb 21 17:37:39 2007 From: hlapp at duke.edu (Hilmar Lapp) Date: Wed Feb 21 17:37:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] software registry In-Reply-To: References: <0DDF1033-8640-4FC7-BB4A-8082A60C6BC4@duke.edu> Message-ID: <1D737D03-216B-4B7E-B24F-B907DAED0D08@duke.edu> Thanks for the links. What I'm after is different from, say, download sites, or sf.net. Think Connotea (if you're scientifically inclined), or del.icio.us - just specifically for software, and aside from a tag and the project or download URL people can enter metadata about the software (such as authors, purpose, current version, programming language, required platform, bug page, feature page, and what not). Ideally the metadata could also be exposed as RDF (so that semantic searches would find it). I.e., a public software catalog, to which people can add and tag. I'm thinking many people must have had the wish to have this and therefore it must exist ... -hilmar On Feb 21, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Jonathan Gorman wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to ask whether anyone is aware of a searchable (public) >> registry for metadata about software, discipline-specific or not. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -hilmar > > Depends how flexible you with the word "registry". Freshmeat > (http://freshmeat.net) stores information on many software > projecst. Sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net) will have metadata > about all the projects that are hosted by them. > > Then there's a lot of other download sites. Tucows (http:// > www.tucows.com) and C|Net (http://www.download.com) both come to > mind. You can probably check out > > If you stretch it far enough, I suppose package management systems > also contain metadata, so things like the debian package system > would be a source. > > There's probably plenty of groups out there like the GNU project > (http://www.gnu.org) out there that list what software they're > working on and developing. > > > Jonathan T. Gorman > Research Information Specialist > University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana > 216 Main Library - MC522 > 1408 West Gregory Drive > Urbana, IL 61801 > > >> -- >> =========================================================== >> : Hilmar Lapp -:- Durham, NC -:- hlapp at duke dot edu : >> =========================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- =========================================================== : Hilmar Lapp -:- Durham, NC -:- hlapp at duke dot edu : =========================================================== From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 22:46:14 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Wed Feb 21 22:46:18 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] W I K I M O N S T E R P E D I A In-Reply-To: <001001c755fa$251708c0$6600a8c0@AliCo> Message-ID: <717335.26472.qm@web34610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> basically, howsoever you call it, a wiki platform would make it much easier to follow and to extend this discussion! though i must say you certainly hit the wiki-gorgon on it's head as far as a word (or two, or three) that i was aiming for yet failed to wiki-wallop. ms p.s. no, for those who may be wondering, i'm not hawaiian. --- Allison Brueckner wrote: > Would that make it a meta-wiki-pedia or > wiki-meta-media? Or just plan > meta-pedia? > --ali. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From tspindle at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 12:26:38 2007 From: tspindle at gmail.com (Tim Spindle) Date: Thu Feb 22 12:27:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Need help for genealogy research Message-ID: In order to be a member of DAR, you must descend from a person who fought in the Revolutionary War OR who provided service, as in provided beef and brandy to the troops or foraged for their animals, etc. There's a Patriot's Index at http://www.dar.org/natsociety/pi_lookup.cfm to check and see if any of her relatives have done that (if she knows her relatives). Probably one of the best ways is for her to check with her local chapter. Most chapters have a website or at least are listed online--check the local library, particularly if there's a genealogy section or historical society. Does she have any aunts, great-aunts, who are members of DAR or uncles who are members of SAR? Those are good places to start. In the meanwhile, she can start collecting birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates for herself, her parents and her grandparents. That'll take a while, but it will be necessary and is a way to get started. -tim From mike at indexdata.com Fri Feb 23 09:03:41 2007 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Fri Feb 23 09:04:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- the student perspective In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72488@adams.cnr.edu> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD0@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72488@adams.cnr.edu> Message-ID: <17886.62525.179544.789105@localhost.localdomain> Craig, Emory writes: > Since the Wikipedia thread has been going strong, let me add one > more element to the fray. An item from Campus Technology's News > Update says that Middlebury College has banned student use of the > site. While I have some issues with Wikipedia, banning is probably > the worst solution possible. This seems to be a sensationalised version of the truth. The article itself suggests, and some of the comments seems to confirm, that Wikipedia is accessible from Middlebury College as before -- only that it should not be cited in academic work submitted to the college. Well: we all knew that already, didn't we? And, seriously, is there anyone here who would cite _Britannica_ or any other encyclopedia in an academic work? _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "... you pay a quarter for a partnership in rhyme to the jukebox that's crying in the corner ..." -- Marillion, "Sugar Mice" From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 10:02:30 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Fri Feb 23 10:02:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <17886.62525.179544.789105@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <781999.62423.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, your point is so very, very true! yet this is a point that has been made quite a few times on the web4lib list -- as well as at innumerable other sites and in a wide variety of formats. it almost seems as if no one follows the wiki thread even one or two steps back, never mind incorporating the points that have been made (hashed and re-hashed), before posting a consummately elegant response on web4lib. the issue for me becomes: how could we then proceed with an organized discussion of the wikipedia phenomenon, and all of the interesting questions and responses that pertain to it, in a fashion that brings new information to the table, and moves the discussion forward in productive, possibly creative way? would a wiki, or a blog, be an appropriate forum for extending this discussion among information organization professionals and students aspiring to the profession? marion s --- Mike Taylor wrote: > This seems to be a sensationalised version of the > truth. The article > itself suggests, and some of the comments seems to > confirm, that > Wikipedia is accessible from Middlebury College as > before -- only that > it should not be cited in academic work submitted to > the college. > Well: we all knew that already, didn't we? > > And, seriously, is there anyone here who would cite > _Britannica_ or > any other encyclopedia in an academic work? > > _/|_ > ___________________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor > http://www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "... you pay a quarter for a partnership in > rhyme to the jukebox > that's crying in the corner ..." -- Marillion, > "Sugar Mice" > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From quinn at indexdata.dk Fri Feb 23 11:31:22 2007 From: quinn at indexdata.dk (Sebastian Hammer) Date: Fri Feb 23 11:31:30 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Stockholm: Great Library website In-Reply-To: <1172093372.3407.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <008501c754f3$143b3880$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <45DB25EC.4080406@ncsu.edu> <45DB214402000010000C142E@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> <01c001c7555b$74c06820$8002a8c0@medusa> <008401c755f2$2ea0df90$7b00a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <63d3c8ce0702211222v398f493fg6365dcb48afe9812@mail.gmail.com> <1172093372.3407.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45DF16DA.3070603@indexdata.dk> Ian Ibbotson wrote: >It might also be worth dropping a line to Seb or Adam at index data >(www.indexdata.dk). A few years ago I think they were involved in a >really cool kids opac project that merged a chat room and an opac.. It >resulted in a really neato flash client that the kids loved. > > Hi Ian! :-) I totally don't know if this ageing and not always stable demonstrator of the client will take the load of a large user influx, but for what it's worth, and if anyone's interested, it's at http://test.indexdata.com/yakpac/ (requires Flash; won't work with firewalls that restrict outgoing traffic to nonstandard ports). The demo is set to hit the LoC catalog, but it isn't well tuned to the nature of those record, so results don't always look as pretty as they should. In a nutshell, it's probably the world's only Z39.50 client with a wink in its eye. It can be adapted to work with any server, and can use NCIP to interface with a circ system. It was developed both as the kid's interface to a web indexing project, and as the children's OPAC for an ILS on the Danish market, in which role it is still in active development and in production in several public libraries. The chat function was developed in response to analysis that indicated that kids were more likely to consult with peer groups to find information than they were to use a catalog, so we sought different ways to integrate communication and relationships into the catalog environment (this was before Web 2.0, mind you all). So we included a chat environment, that would also show what other users were searching at the moment, and would highlight interesting search terms in the chat window (doesn't work optimally in the demonstrator), plus an ability to maintain your own private or public, named book shelves, and to write reviews of books or websites. I believe it was a pretty successful, early project that made good use of Flash's XML support and mechanisms for integrating with advanced server-side logic. Flash, once you get past the flash, is a remarkably powerful graphical client/server development environment -- in many ways more pleasant to work with and more mature-feeling than Ajax. All the best, --Sebastian >Ian. > >On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 15:22 -0500, Tim Spalding wrote: > > >>Anders et al., >> >>Since we have at least one actual Scandinavian on board, I have a >>question. Does anyone know anything about the state of libraries and >>library catalogs in Denmark? >> >>I'm going to a conference in Aarhus on March 6 >>(http://www.aakb.dk/sw104454.asp), and doing a talk on "making your >>OPAC fun." (Richard Wallis is doing one too, on mashups.) >>Unfortunately, I know zilch about Denmark and libraries. I think I'm >>the designated ignorant American, but it would be nice to have some >>context. >> >>Can I assume that Danish librarians will be up on the Swedish scene >>and will know about the Stockholm Public Library catalog? The >>languages are largely mutually intelligible, right? >> >>Tim >> >>On 2/21/07, Anders Ericson wrote: >> >> >>>Just some minor comments on parts of Scott's last message, as long he >>>invites to it: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Clicking on Sk?nlitteratur (first category, upper left, roughly 'fine >>>>literature') brings up this page, >>>> >>>> >>>The direct translation of 'Sk?nlitteratur' is 'fine literature', as Scott >>>says, but in real life it is simply Fiction! Novels, drama, poetry; the >>>whole package >>> >>> >>> >>>>Under the first entry is L?s b?cker du inte f?r l?sa ('Read books you >>>>may not have read' or 'have not read' or 'may not have gotten to read') >>>> >>>> >>>Neither, I'm sorry to say. But: 'Read books you're not allowed/supposed to >>>read'--- He refers to and copies the ALA list of banned books... it's not >>>Swedish at all! >>> >>>The rest is all fine, Scott! >>> >>>Best wishes, >>>Anders Ericson >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Web4lib mailing list >>>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Web4lib mailing list >>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > -- Sebastian Hammer, Index Data quinn@indexdata.com www.indexdata.com Ph: (603) 209-6853 Fax: (866) 383-4485 From eden at library.ucsb.edu Fri Feb 23 11:35:26 2007 From: eden at library.ucsb.edu (Brad Eden) Date: Fri Feb 23 11:36:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for book chapters: More... Innovative Redesign and Reorg. of Library Technical Services Message-ID: <45DF17CE.8020807@library.ucsb.edu> Please excuse any duplication. Please forward to other interested colleagues and listservs. This is a call for book chapters for a new book titled _More... Innovative Redesign and Reorganization of Library Technical Services_. This book will be a companion book to the already published _Innovative Redesign and Reorganization of Library Technical Services: Paths for the Future and Case Studies_ (Libraries Unlimited, 2004). The editor is looking for interesting and provocative redesigns and reorganizations of library technical services, including reengineering of technical services staff for digitization and digital projects, training and new directions in non-MARC metadata projects and collaborations, redesigns and new foci for the presentation and searching of OPACs, reorganization of space and personnel in new and strategic directions, and combining staff functions and departments for greater efficiency and productivity, as examples. Case studies detailing how library organizations are flattening hierarchies, and combining both technical and public services in new and innovative ways are also encouraged. The editor is also interested in library organizations that are incorporating new types of leadership and motivational initiatives that are often seen in the business and corporate communities, such as ideas presented in books such as _Primal Leadership_. Opinion chapters on the future of technical services librarianship, or statistical information related to this area, are invited to submit a proposal as well. Anyone interested in writing a chapter for this book should send a short proposal detailing what the chapter will be about, with title and authors, to the editor, by March 30, 2007. Final chapter drafts will be due to the editor by September 1, 2007. Please feel free to contact the editor with any questions. Thank you. Dr. Brad Eden Associate University Librarian for Technical Services and Scholarly Communication University of California, Santa Barbara Editor, _More... Innovative Redesign and Reorganization of Library Technical Services_ eden@library.ucsb.edu From LHackett at umuc.edu Fri Feb 23 12:46:46 2007 From: LHackett at umuc.edu (Luella Hackett) Date: Fri Feb 23 12:47:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Assistant Director Position at UMUC Message-ID: Position: Assistant Director for Systems and Access Services CH002043 Institution: University of Maryland University College Location: Maryland University of Maryland University College (UMUC) is an innovative, global university whose mission is to provide high-quality educational opportunities to non-traditional students worldwide. With headquarters in Adelphi, Maryland, UMUC is one of the 11 degree granting institutions within the University System of Maryland. UMUC's Office of Information and Library Services is currently seeking an Assistant Director for Systems and Access Services. The Assistant Director for Systems and Access Services will manage (6) direct and (4) indirect reports while overseeing and managing the systems and access services components of UMUC's Information and Library Services (ILS) including Web and instructional resource development, electronic services, cataloging, circulation, and interlibrary loan and document delivery services. Specific responsibilities include: * Leading the ILS Systems and Access Team in maintaining access to electronic resources for ILS patrons * Evaluating existing programs, planning and tracking projects, and overseeing the development of new service offerings and enhancements to ILS resources and services * Supervising, managing, training, and reviewing the performance of library faculty and staff members * Participating in administrative processes of the library including setting goals and objectives, the library budget and expense tracking process, development of policies and strategic plans, and preparing and reviewing administrative reports *Performing other job-related duties as assigned Requires a MLS or equivalent degree from an American Library Association accredited institution and (5) years of experience performing systems and access services related activities in an academic or special library of which (3) years was supervisory and administrative experience; strong technical knowledge and in-depth understanding of the best practices, standards and trends in the application of technology in libraries; working knowledge of database-driven websites and other dynamic web technologies, database applications, integrated library systems, and authentication, metasearching, and dynamic linking technologies. Program and project management experience and demonstrated ability to lead a team and perform administrative functions including strategic planning, monitoring and projecting spending and budgetary needs and supervisory responsibilities. Advanced degree related to the functional responsibilities of the position is preferred. Categories: Librarians/library administration, Libraries, Library/information sciences For more information about this position, see UMUC Jobs at http://www.umuc.edu/employ.html. From ecraig at cnr.edu Fri Feb 23 13:10:03 2007 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Fri Feb 23 13:12:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- the student perspective In-Reply-To: <17886.62525.179544.789105@localhost.localdomain> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BD0@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca><3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A72488@adams.cnr.edu> <17886.62525.179544.789105@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A724AA@adams.cnr.edu> Mike, I agree that the student offers a sensationalized version of the truth. Point in fact: one cannot really "ban" Wikipedia any more than one can ban any web site; students will still get access. And the student seems to realize that Wikipedia is not an appropriate source. My point (and again, I am not agreeing with article) was just that the terms of the debate are shifting. You are right: who would cite Britannica or any other encyclopedia as a source? No one. But who would cast that prohibition in terms of elitism, arrogance, a threat to democracy, etc., etc. No one. Emerging technologies are not just new tools; they also are having (IMHO) an impact on users' perceptions. The academy is changing very slowly (just look at the tenure process) but a younger generation is being weaned on a very different experience of collaboration and sharing. There's some good material on this issue in the new 2007 Horizon Report issued yesterday by the New Media Consortium and the EDUCAUSE Learning Initiative. -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Taylor [mailto:mike@indexdata.com] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:04 AM To: Craig, Emory Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- the student perspective Craig, Emory writes: > Since the Wikipedia thread has been going strong, let me add one > more element to the fray. An item from Campus Technology's News > Update says that Middlebury College has banned student use of the > site. While I have some issues with Wikipedia, banning is probably > the worst solution possible. This seems to be a sensationalised version of the truth. The article itself suggests, and some of the comments seems to confirm, that Wikipedia is accessible from Middlebury College as before -- only that it should not be cited in academic work submitted to the college. Well: we all knew that already, didn't we? And, seriously, is there anyone here who would cite _Britannica_ or any other encyclopedia in an academic work? _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "... you pay a quarter for a partnership in rhyme to the jukebox that's crying in the corner ..." -- Marillion, "Sugar Mice" From rileyhuf at olemiss.edu Fri Feb 23 13:10:27 2007 From: rileyhuf at olemiss.edu (rileyhuf) Date: Fri Feb 23 13:12:52 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Announcement: Electronic Resources Librarian Message-ID: <95ba5d070702231010t19d00416n2c6bb9a16e8db489@mail.gmail.com> Please see the University Employment Website for detailed information about the positions listed below and to place an application. - Current Openings - Electronic Resources Librarian & Assistant Professor Electronic Resources Librarian & Assistant Professor The University of Mississippi Libraries seeks an Electronic Resources Librarian to provide leadership and effective management for the libraries' electronic resources. The University of Mississippi Libraries uses Innovative Interfaces integrated library system and its companion electronic access products. Under the direction of the Head of Serials, this position will: serve as a liaison to vendors regarding electronic resource technical issues; coordinate vendor demonstrations and trials; provide feedback on technical compatibility with electronic resource infrastructure; manage the technical changes necessary for electronic resource management; maintain the information in our Electronic Resource Management module; troubleshoot OpenURL issues and manage WebBridge, the libraries' OpenURL resolver, and the Web Access Management module; collect usage data for electronic resources; maintain current awareness of emerging trends; and serve on the Electronic Resource Management Team. Qualifications: ALA accredited master's degree by date of employment; evidence of experience with electronic resources technologies and research-oriented electronic resources; understanding of the principles of link resolvers and of the OpenURL standard; demonstrated analytical problem solving skills and initiative; an aptitude for detail-oriented work; strong organizational, interpersonal and communication skills; demonstrated ability to work in a collaborative, service-oriented, and dynamic environment; and a commitment to meet established library criteria for promotion and tenure, including professional service and published research. The position is a 12-month, tenure-track faculty appointment. Minimum annual salary is $35,000, and is commensurate with qualifications and experience. Apply online at http://jobs.olemiss.edu. Applicants will be asked to include a letter of application, vita, and the names, addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses of three current professional references. Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. The University of Mississippi is located in historic Oxford, a thriving community offering a wide range of literary, musical and cultural activities. For more information about the University and the community, please visit http://www.olemiss.edu/community/index.html. -- Debra A. Riley-Huff Web Services/Reference Librarian Assistant Professor JD Williams Library University of Mississippi University, MS 38677 662-915-7353 rileyhuf@olemiss.edu From AWDobbs at ship.edu Fri Feb 23 13:39:29 2007 From: AWDobbs at ship.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Fri Feb 23 13:39:36 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <781999.62423.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A8BAEAF@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Hi Marion, You've offered similar questions/suggestions in the discussion more than two times; it looks like if an exploration of these possible venues is going to happen you'll have to be the implementor. Karen Coyle has done something similar to your proposals for the Next Generation Catalog list on http://futurelib.pbwiki.com/ which might serve as a model. Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works fine for me. I'll be interested in the resulting resource you create, as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. Good luck, -Aaron :-)' If, after 15 minutes, you haven't found what you need, seek professional help. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion Sumerianlibrarian Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:03 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; mike@indexdata.com Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective Mike, your point is so very, very true! yet this is a point that has been made quite a few times on the web4lib list -- as well as at innumerable other sites and in a wide variety of formats. it almost seems as if no one follows the wiki thread even one or two steps back, never mind incorporating the points that have been made (hashed and re-hashed), before posting a consummately elegant response on web4lib. the issue for me becomes: how could we then proceed with an organized discussion of the wikipedia phenomenon, and all of the interesting questions and responses that pertain to it, in a fashion that brings new information to the table, and moves the discussion forward in productive, possibly creative way? would a wiki, or a blog, be an appropriate forum for extending this discussion among information organization professionals and students aspiring to the profession? marion s --- Mike Taylor wrote: > This seems to be a sensationalised version of the truth. The article > itself suggests, and some of the comments seems to confirm, that > Wikipedia is accessible from Middlebury College as before -- only that > it should not be cited in academic work submitted to the college. > Well: we all knew that already, didn't we? > > And, seriously, is there anyone here who would cite _Britannica_ or > any other encyclopedia in an academic work? > > _/|_ > ___________________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor > http://www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "... you pay a quarter for a partnership in rhyme to the > jukebox > that's crying in the corner ..." -- Marillion, "Sugar Mice" > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 14:18:02 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Fri Feb 23 14:18:06 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A8BAEAF@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Message-ID: <497586.51277.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> snip: > Personally, the email-list format (using local > filing rules) works fine > for me. I'll be interested in the resulting > resource you create, as I > can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of > use of email lists > will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. > > Good luck, > > -Aaron thanks for your reply. i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in either a productive or creative way? overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs. no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to see evidence of it. then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia phenomenon -- and its various permutations. what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive, and creative manner. thanks again for your response, m ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Fri Feb 23 15:18:50 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Fri Feb 23 15:18:59 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <497586.51277.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BF5@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses are enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived email messages or threads that capture a particular argument well. Links into Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful. The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of one community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia wiki would represent a discussion within a single community which has not reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a list of pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice versa (and appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both with lots of interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of redundancy). Of course, someone is going to have to do the work... Peter -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion Sumerianlibrarian Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; AWDobbs@ship.edu Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective snip: > Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works > fine for me. I'll be interested in the resulting resource you create, > as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email > lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. > > Good luck, > > -Aaron thanks for your reply. i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in either a productive or creative way? overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs. no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to see evidence of it. then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia phenomenon -- and its various permutations. what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive, and creative manner. thanks again for your response, m ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From micah at raincross-tech.com Fri Feb 23 15:47:03 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Fri Feb 23 15:45:07 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BF5@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BF5@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <45DF52C7.2080905@raincross-tech.com> I'd be willing to donate server space and setup the Wiki if anyone wants to try to organize this. I'd spend some time with submitting things too as I could manage. -Micah On 02/23/2007 12:18 PM, Binkley, Peter wrote: > Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or > wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins > (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of > claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own > page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses are > enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived email > messages or threads that capture a particular argument well. Links into > Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful. > > The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of one > community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia wiki > would represent a discussion within a single community which has not > reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a list of > pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice versa (and > appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both with lots of > interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of redundancy). > > Of course, someone is going to have to do the work... > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion > Sumerianlibrarian > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org; AWDobbs@ship.edu > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective > > snip: > > >> Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works >> fine for me. I'll be interested in the resulting resource you create, >> > > >> as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email >> lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -Aaron >> > > thanks for your reply. > > i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance > where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in > either a productive or creative way? > > overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed > again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs. > > no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the issues, > let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to see > evidence of it. > > then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia > phenomenon -- and its various permutations. > what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of the > dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive, and > creative manner. > > thanks again for your response, m > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 > destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From mjkhoo at ucar.edu Fri Feb 23 16:23:15 2007 From: mjkhoo at ucar.edu (Mick Khoo) Date: Fri Feb 23 16:33:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] 2nd CFP - Studying the Users of Digital Education Technologies Message-ID: SECOND CALL FOR PAPERS [with apologies for cross-posting] THE NEW REVIEW OF HYPERMEDIA AND MULTIMEDIA, SPECIAL ISSUE "STUDYING THE USERS OF DIGITAL EDUCATION TECHNOLOGIES: THEORIES, METHODS AND ANALYTICAL APPROACHES" Guest editor: Michael Khoo, National Science Digital Library, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, United States mjkhoo@ucar.edu Submission deadline: 16 May 2007 Acceptance notification: 2 July 2007 Final manuscripts due: 20 August 2007 Digital technologies are increasingly integral components of educational settings and Digital Libraries, serving for instance as repositories, as scaffolds to enhance face-to-face pedagogy, and as distance-learning tools. How might we understand the impact of these technologies on knowledge and learning, and what lessons might be learnt from their use, that could be applied to future technologies? Addressing these research questions requires recognition of the highly complex character of digital education technologies: they vary in size from handheld PDAs to large distributed digital library projects; they are used in a range of formal and informal educational settings ranging from schools and universities to hospitals, clinics, museums and art galleries; and they serve learners of all ages. How may researchers approach this heterogeneity and work towards useful research outcomes? This special issue of NRHM addresses issues associated with the qualitative understanding of the use of digital educational technologies in real-life contexts (with a focus on digital libraries, broadly conceived), by emphasizing the importance of contextual sociotechnical studies of technology use and design. The issue will consider educational technologies as complex mixtures of people, practices and technologies, embedded in a range of institutional, technological and social contexts. The editor therefore invites contributions that address the qualitative and sociotechnical study of digital educational technologies and users ?in the wild.? Relevant topics include, but are not limited to: Theoretical approaches - Ethnographic, anthropological, sociological, sociotechnical, activity theory, practice-based, and other approaches to the analysis of digital educational technologies Methodological approaches - Ethnography - HCI, user testing, scenarios, interviews, focus groups, etc. - Discourse analysis - Webmetrics and use models - Etc. Applications to particular domains - Science education - Medical - Digital Libraries - User groups and use-in-context - Etc. Applied approaches - Case studies - Qualitative research and project evaluation strategies - Communicating qualitative research results to digital library developers and sponsors - Etc. The New Review of Hypermedia and Multimedia (NRHM) is published by Taylor & Francis and appears in both print and digital formats. For more details, see the journal website: http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/13614568.asp Submissions should be sent by email to the guest editor, preferably in pdf format. Questions and enquiries concerning this call should be directed to the guest editor. Open topic papers meeting NRHM's scope in general are also welcome (send to Editor, dstudhope@glam.ac.uk). Michael Khoo, Evaluator, Core Integration Team The National Science Digital Library (NSDL) P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000, USA Tel: +1 303.497.2604 Fax: +1 303.497.8336 NSDL evaluation pages: http://eval.comm.nsdl.org/ Personal home page: http://www.mjkhoo.info/ From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Fri Feb 23 16:45:48 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Fri Feb 23 16:52:07 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at LISWiki now (see forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page with list of a couple of statements, and for one of them I've started a page to suggest a format. Dig in! Peter -----Original Message----- From: Binkley, Peter Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:08 PM To: 'John Hubbard' Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective LISWiki sounds like just the right place. I've pasted in some of my message below and started a list of potential pages - others who have time (in between editing Wikipedia pages...) can start to fill them in and add to the list. Peter -----Original Message----- From: John Hubbard [mailto:hubbardj@uwm.edu] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:55 PM To: Binkley, Peter Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective http://liswiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia tabula rasa, go nuts :0 - John Binkley, Peter wrote: > Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or > wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins > (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of > claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own > page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses > are enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived > email messages or threads that capture a particular argument well. > Links into Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful. > > The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of > one community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia > wiki would represent a discussion within a single community which has > not reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a > list of pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice > versa (and appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both > with lots of interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of redundancy). > > Of course, someone is going to have to do the work... > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion > Sumerianlibrarian > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org; AWDobbs@ship.edu > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective > > snip: > >> Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works >> fine for me. I'll be interested in the resulting resource you >> create, > >> as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email >> lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -Aaron > > thanks for your reply. > > i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance > where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in > either a productive or creative way? > > overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed > again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs. > > no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the > issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to > see evidence of it. > > then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia > phenomenon -- and its various permutations. > what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of > the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive, > and creative manner. > > thanks again for your response, m > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > ____________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 > destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- John Hubbard Web Services and Electronic Resources Coordinator UWM Libraries Webmaster University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 414-229-6775 From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 16:59:21 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Fri Feb 23 17:04:38 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BF5@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <318150.73376.qm@web34613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> why not simply allow contributors to create headings, and then submit their thoughts willy-nilly (or wili-wiki), as they see fit? organization, howsoever it is defined, will come later, as the issues become more apparent. thanks for your response, and for carrying the discussion forward. ms --- "Binkley, Peter" wrote: > Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia > or pbwiki or > wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins > (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would > work: an index of > claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), > each with its own > page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and > then responses are > enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links > to archived email > messages or threads that capture a particular > argument well. Links into > Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful. > > The difference would be that Talk Origins represents > the efforts of one > community to debunk the claims of another, whereas > the Wikipedia wiki > would represent a discussion within a single > community which has not > reached consensus. It would be possible to set up > our site as a list of > pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses > or vice versa (and > appear to favour one side over the other), or allow > both with lots of > interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of > redundancy). > > Of course, someone is going to have to do the > work... > > Peter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 17:01:43 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Fri Feb 23 17:05:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <45DF52C7.2080905@raincross-tech.com> Message-ID: <812332.79694.qm@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks very much for your input and offer. this is a real possibility. but would it work as an actual wiki? ms --- Micah Stevens wrote: > I'd be willing to donate server space and setup the > Wiki if anyone wants > to try to organize this. I'd spend some time with > submitting things too > as I could manage. > > -Micah ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From micah at raincross-tech.com Fri Feb 23 18:44:11 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Fri Feb 23 18:41:43 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <45DF7C4B.4090604@raincross-tech.com> Very nice. Thank you Peter and John! On 02/23/2007 01:45 PM, Binkley, Peter wrote: > Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at LISWiki now (see > forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page with list of a > couple of statements, and for one of them I've started a page to suggest > a format. Dig in! > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Binkley, Peter > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:08 PM > To: 'John Hubbard' > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective > > LISWiki sounds like just the right place. I've pasted in some of my > message below and started a list of potential pages - others who have > time (in between editing Wikipedia pages...) can start to fill them in > and add to the list. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hubbard [mailto:hubbardj@uwm.edu] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:55 PM > To: Binkley, Peter > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective > > http://liswiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia > tabula rasa, go nuts :0 > > - John > > > Binkley, Peter wrote: > >> Within a wiki (in the librarians group at wikipedia or pbwiki or >> wherever), perhaps a format modelled on Talk Origins >> (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html) would work: an index of >> > > >> claims (statements about wikipedia from librarians), each with its own >> > > >> page where the claim is articulated and sourced, and then responses >> are enumerated and sourced. The sources could be links to archived >> email messages or threads that capture a particular argument well. >> Links into Wikipedia's documentation would also be useful. >> >> The difference would be that Talk Origins represents the efforts of >> one community to debunk the claims of another, whereas the Wikipedia >> wiki would represent a discussion within a single community which has >> not reached consensus. It would be possible to set up our site as a >> list of pro-Wikipedia claims with anti-Wikipedia responses or vice >> versa (and appear to favour one side over the other), or allow both >> with lots of interlinking of responses (and deal with a lot of >> > redundancy). > >> Of course, someone is going to have to do the work... >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >> [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marion >> Sumerianlibrarian >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM >> To: web4lib@webjunction.org; AWDobbs@ship.edu >> Subject: RE: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective >> >> snip: >> >> >>> Personally, the email-list format (using local filing rules) works >>> fine for me. I'll be interested in the resulting resource you >>> create, >>> >>> as I can see possible benefits; but I think the ease of use of email >>> lists will be a difficult "barrier" to surmount. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >> thanks for your reply. >> >> i'm very interested to know if you can you point to a single instance >> where an email format has carried the wikipedia discussion forward in >> either a productive or creative way? >> >> overall, i find the same issues are hashed, rehashed, and rehashed >> again, and again, over a long period of time on various listservs. >> >> no, frankly, i don't see how email has helped to even define the >> issues, let alone advance them. i may be very wrong, but would like to >> > > >> see evidence of it. >> >> then again, the discussion around "how to discuss the wikipedia >> phenomenon -- and its various permutations. >> what would be the best format?" is yet another pertinent example of >> the dialog that needs to be addressed in a more organized, productive, >> > > >> and creative manner. >> >> thanks again for your response, m >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __ >> ____________ >> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 >> destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. >> http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> > > > -- > John Hubbard > Web Services and Electronic Resources Coordinator UWM Libraries > Webmaster University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee > 414-229-6775 > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 00:34:34 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Sat Feb 24 00:34:37 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <830293.20111.qm@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> dang, that was fast, quite brilliant, and it already looks stunning, to boot! accolades all around. looking forward to seeing how it evolves. ms --- "Binkley, Peter" wrote: > Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at > LISWiki now (see > forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page > with list of a > couple of statements, and for one of them I've > started a page to suggest > a format. Dig in! > > Peter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From dave at broermaps.org Sat Feb 24 09:16:28 2007 From: dave at broermaps.org (Dave Broer) Date: Sat Feb 24 09:16:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: Online Historic Map Library Message-ID: <45E048BC.1030602@broermaps.org> For those interested in online reference material, particularly online historic maps, you might be interested in the services that we offer: The Broer Map Library is a growing collection of thousands of online historic maps from around the world. Our collection features several native language atlases (e.g. German maps of Germany) as well as historic road maps and topographical maps. 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Dave Broer Director, Broer Map Library From lars at aronsson.se Sun Feb 25 10:15:31 2007 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Sun Feb 25 10:13:41 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187BFA@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: Binkley, Peter wrote: > Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at LISWiki now (see > forwarded note below). [...] http://liswiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia When I saw LISwiki I thought I should check up if there are any opinions about Google Book Search, especially after having read (web4lib member) Anders Ericson's harsh words against them on the official website of the Norwegian Library Association, http://www.norskbibliotekforening.no/article.php?id=1523 http://www.norskbibliotekforening.no/article.php?id=1547 (I'll leave it to him to explain and translate.) I don't share Anders' marxist point of view, but find it interesting that all aspects are analyzed. However, at http://liswiki.org/wiki/Google one can read that this is "An Internet search engine favored by librarians and most of the world." This is the kind of naive enthusiasm that, when suggested to Germans, is met with "enthusiasm? we tried that in the 1930s". While this is an exaggerated caricature, it does define a distinction between the ever-skeptic Europe (Eeyore) and the childishly ever-optimistic America (Winnie-the-Pooh). Now, both kinds of voices are playing together on LISwiki. Google is favored by librarians, but Wikipedia is met with opinions. It is inevitable that the two articles are compared, by readers trying to understand what librarians think. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From gerrymck at iastate.edu Sun Feb 25 12:49:02 2007 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Sun Feb 25 12:50:27 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Blinkx: Most Advanced Video Search Engine In-Reply-To: <45E175D9.B59E.0067.0@lib.iastate.edu> References: <45E175D9.B59E.0067.0@lib.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <45E177B0.B59E.0067.0@lib.iastate.edu> Colleagues/ blinkx [ http://blinkx.com/]: A Meta-Video Search Engine blinkx is the world's largest and most advanced video search engine. Fed by automatic spiders that crawl the web for audio video content and content partnerships with _over 200 leading content and media companies_, blinkx uses visual analysis and speech recognition to better understand rich media content. Users can search for content, create personal TV channels that automatically splice relevant content together. blinkx is a privately-held firm, based in San Francisco and London and was founded in early 2004 by Suranga Chandratillake. [ http://blinkx.com/about ] ***Leading content and media companies*** [ BBC News, CNN, Comedy Channel, YouTube, History Channel, NYTimes, Other Usual Suspects ] White Paper [ http://cdn-99.blinkx.com/store/images/docs/blinkx_TV_White_Paper_v1.0.pdf ] FAQ [ http://blinkx.com/faq ] NYTimes: Millions of Videos, and Now a Way to Search Inside Them [snip] "Today, owing to the proliferation of large video files, video accounts for more than 60 percent of the traffic on the Internet, according to CacheLogic, a company in Cambridge, England, that sells ?media delivery systems? to Internet service providers. ?I imagine that within two years it will be 98 percent,? says Hui Zhang, a computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh." [ http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/business/yourmoney/25slip.html ] /Gerry Gerry Mckiernan Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames Ia 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Sun Feb 25 13:33:38 2007 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Sun Feb 25 13:35:17 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective References: <830293.20111.qm@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24902A0127F@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but "looking forward to seeing how it evolves" is no help at all. Get in there! Contribute! Yours in the spirit of wiki, Peter ________________________________ From: Marion Sumerianlibrarian [mailto:marionsumerianlibrarian@yahoo.com] Sent: Fri 2/23/2007 10:34 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; Binkley, Peter Subject: Re: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective dang, that was fast, quite brilliant, and it already looks stunning, to boot! accolades all around. looking forward to seeing how it evolves. ms --- "Binkley, Peter" wrote: > Thanks to John Hubbard, this idea has a home at > LISWiki now (see > forwarded note below). I've sketched in a home page > with list of a > couple of statements, and for one of them I've > started a page to suggest > a format. Dig in! > > Peter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From dih1 at cornell.edu Sun Feb 25 14:48:23 2007 From: dih1 at cornell.edu (Diane I. Hillmann) Date: Sun Feb 25 14:47:52 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] DC-2007 Call for Papers (2nd) Message-ID: Apologies for duplication caused by cross-posting .... Diane ************************************* CALL FOR PAPERS DC-2007 International Conference on Dublin Core and Metadata Applications "Application Profiles: Theory and Practice" 27-31 August 2007, Singapore http://conferences.nlb.gov.sg/dc2007/ ________________________________ DEADLINES AND IMPORTANT DATES Papers submission: 2 April 2007 Acceptance notification: 1 June 2007 Camera-ready copy due: 2 July 2007 ________________________________ The annual Dublin Core conferences bring together leading metadata researchers and professionals from around the world. The 2006 conference in Manzanillo, Mexico attracted 234 participants from 25 countries. DC-2007 in Singapore will be the seventh in a series of conferences previously held in Tokyo (2001), Florence (2002), Seattle (2003), Shanghai (2004), Madrid (2005), and Manzanillo, Mexico (2006). ________________________________ CONFERENCE THEME The DC-2007 theme focuses on the theory and practice of developing application profiles. Application profiles provide the means to document the use of metadata terms within specific contexts and to combine terms from disparate namespaces. Application profiles may apply to communities of practice (e.g. cooperation projects) as well as to organizations in the public and private sectors. Emerging experience in the creation of application profiles reveals layers of complexity involved in combining terms from mixed abstract models. DC-2007 seeks to explore the conceptual and practical issues in the development and deployment of application profiles to meet the needs of specific communities of practice. In addition to contributions focusing on the DC-2007 conference theme, papers and workshop proposals are welcome on a wide range of metadata topics, such as: + Accessibility + Business Models for Metadata + Conceptual Models + Cross-domain Processes (e.g., Recordkeeping, Preservation, Institutional Repositories) + Domain Metadata (e.g., Commerce, Corporate/Enterprise, Cultural Heritage Institutions (Museums, Libaries, and Archives), Education, Geo-Spatial, Government, Social Spaces) + Metadata Generation Processes (e.g., Human, Automatic, and Hybrid) + Metadata Harvesting + Multilingual Issues + Interoperability + Knowledge Organization Systems (e.g., Ontologies, Taxonomies, and Thesauri) + Localization and Internationalization + Normalization and Crosswalks + Quality and Evaluation + Registries and Registry Services + Search Engines and Metadata + Social Tagging ________________________________ PAPER SUBMISIONS: All paper submissions to the Conference Proceedings are peer reviewed by the International Program Committee. The Committee is soliciting paper contributions of the following two types: -- Full Papers (8 to 10 pages). Full papers either describe innovative original work in detail or provide critical, well-referenced overviews of key developments or good practice in the areas outlined above. Full papers will be assessed using the following criteria: o Originality of the approach to implementation o Generalizability of the methods and results described o Quality of the contribution to the implementation community o Significance of the results presented o Clarity of presentation -- Project Reports (3 to 5 pages). Project reports describe a specific model, application, or activity in a concise, prescribed format. Project reports will be assessed using the following criteria: o Conciseness and completeness of technical description o Usability of the technical description by other potential implementers o Clarity of presentation Paper submissions in both categories must be in English and will be published in both the print and the official electronic versions of the conference proceedings. Accepted papers must be presented in Singapore by at least one of their authors. ________________________________ WORKSHOP PROPOSALS Workshop Proposals (1 page). Workshop proposals define the topic of a workshop session at the conference, identify session organizers, and describe a process for inviting and reviewing contributions. ________________________________ ONLINE SUBMISSIONS Authors wishing to submit papers or workshop proposals may do so through the DCMI Peer Review System at http://www.dcmipubs.org/ojs/index.php/pubs/. Author registration and links to the submission process appear under the "Information for Authors" link. ---------------------------------------------------------------- PROGRAM COMMITTEE CO-CHAIRS Abdus Sattar Chaudhry, Nanyang Technological University aschaudhry@ntu.edu.sg Stuart A. Sutton, University of Washington sasutton@u.washington.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- From tomkeays at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 15:14:17 2007 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Sun Feb 25 15:14:24 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Setting Google Scholar Institutions Message-ID: <60a2c0c00702251214v616004ccu9d2f8bcdfb1dbaad@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any idea how to create a "save preferences" url for a given institution in Google Scholar? The LibX FAQ, http://www.libx.org/faq.html#QL10 gives an example demonstrating how, if you click a special link, it will set your Google Scholar preferences to Stanford University's SFX resolver. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_setprefs?num=50&newwindow=1&instq=&q=einstein&inststart=0&submit=Save+Preferences&inst=sfx-f7e167eec5dde9063b5a8770ec3aaba7 The "inst=sfx-f7e167eec5dde9063b5a8770ec3aaba7" part is what sets it. But how is this hash generated? How can I construct one for my own institution? Here are some things I've tried. Using a website that generates MD4, MD5, and SHA1 hashes, http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/ I've tried variously using - the domain name and IP address of our SFX server, both with and without the "http://" prefix - permutations of the campus IP address in generic form -- i.e., 128.230.*.*, 128.230.0.0, and 128.230.255.255 -- both with and without the "http://" prefix I also tried using hashes from the scholar.google.com cookie set in Firefox. So far I've bombed out. The one thing I haven't tried, because I don't have it, is a Google API key, but nothing in the library help page indicates that Google Scholar uses one. Any ideas? -- Tom From denials at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 15:38:36 2007 From: denials at gmail.com (Dan Scott) Date: Sun Feb 25 15:38:43 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Setting Google Scholar Institutions In-Reply-To: <60a2c0c00702251214v616004ccu9d2f8bcdfb1dbaad@mail.gmail.com> References: <60a2c0c00702251214v616004ccu9d2f8bcdfb1dbaad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom: On 25/02/07, Tom Keays wrote: > Does anyone have any idea how to create a "save preferences" url for a > given institution in Google Scholar? The LibX FAQ, > http://www.libx.org/faq.html#QL10 gives an example demonstrating how, > if you click a special link, it will set your Google Scholar > preferences to Stanford University's SFX resolver. > > http://scholar.google.com/scholar_setprefs?num=50&newwindow=1&instq=&q=einstein&inststart=0&submit=Save+Preferences&inst=sfx-f7e167eec5dde9063b5a8770ec3aaba7 > > The "inst=sfx-f7e167eec5dde9063b5a8770ec3aaba7" part is what sets it. > But how is this hash generated? How can I construct one for my own > institution? There's actually a LibX mailing list that would be more on-topic for this (http://libx.mozdev.org/list.html) -- but I'm sure the "preferences" in the FAQ are simply your Google Scholar Preferences, not the LibX preferences. So: 1. Open Google Scholar and check your preferences. 2. Search for Stanford in the "Library Links" section. 3. View the page source. You'll see something like Stanford University (Find it@Stanford) That's the value you use to construct your special preference-setting link. Dan Scott Laurentian University From tspindle at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 21:40:36 2007 From: tspindle at gmail.com (Tim Spindle) Date: Sun Feb 25 21:40:41 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Recommendations for acquisitions software Message-ID: We are a small academic library in search of recommendations for new acquisitions software. Our current software allows us to record common information such as author, title, ISBN, price, date ordered, status, call number, and the professor who requested the item. This software also keeps a running total of each department's materials budget and budget number, the amount spent from the budget, and the percentage of the total budget spent. In addition to these current capabilities, We have a couple of features we desire with the new software: 1. The ability to produce a report showing the actual amount of the budget spent instead of only the percentage spent. 2. The ability to print a monthly report of the new materials added to the collection (i.e. an invoice). 3. The ability to produce a list of items ordered by each professor or department (Currently, we can only print a monthly report of how much is spent per budget but not a report of the items ordered). Any and all feedback is appreciated. --Tim From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 23:33:36 2007 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Sun Feb 25 23:33:40 2007 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] The Wikipedia Gotcha -- a cosmic perspective In-Reply-To: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24902A0127F@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <676308.74698.qm@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> your pardon accepted -- i had already fiddled around a bit before posting my thanks to all involved. the spirit of wiki backatchya! ms --- "Binkley, Peter" wrote: > Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but "looking > forward to seeing how it evolves" is no help at all. > Get in there! Contribute! > > Yours in the spirit of wiki, > > Peter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From peterson at amigos.org Mon Feb 26 00:54:47 2007 From: peterson at amigos.org (Christine Peterson/Amigos) Date: Mon Feb 26 00:54:51 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Institutional Repository Institute Message-ID: Please forward: Mark your calendars! Susan Gibbons, University of Rochester, will be presenting "Establishing an Institutional Repository: A LITA Regional Institute" Wednesday, April 11, 2007 in San Antonio, Texas as a preconference for the Texas Library Association. If you or your institution is considering or has started an institutional repository, Ms. Gibbons can provide you with the realities involved with establishing an IR. She will be discussing best practices, as well as implementation issues such as policy, cost, and IR systems. This workshop is open to anyone interested in institutional repositories, e.g., librarians, administrators, computer professionals, and will be focused on academic and research institutions. For additional information, go to http://www.txla.org/groups/dlig/repositories.htm. Christine Peterson Continuing Education Librarian, Technology Amigos Library Services, Inc. 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 1-800-843-8482 ext: 2891 512-671-1580 (direct) 512-671-1580 (fax) www.amigos.org From genys30 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 09:21:05 2007 From: genys30 at yahoo.com (Jenny Sotnik) Date: Mon Feb 26 09:21:10 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] An example of ONIX SPS format file Message-ID: <904815.58142.qm@web53609.mail.yahoo.com> Dear all, I'm looking for an example of order of tags in SPS files. Could someone who uses the ONIX SPS format for getting data from publishers, send me an example of this file? Thanks in advance and sorry for cross-posts. --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. From tim at librarything.com Mon Feb 26 14:41:58 2007 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Mon Feb 26 14:42:02 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] The sources of Wikipedia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0702261141xad2c098m1da19c572b5ec699@mail.gmail.com> Way back in August, Lars Aronsson posted an analysis of the ISBN citations in Wikipedia (attached below). I've taken Lars' idea and made an XML feed for others to enjoy. Go ahead and link to Wikipedia from your OPAC and give someone a heart attack! (LibraryThing's doing it.) About and feed below: http://www.librarything.com/blog/2007/02/wikipedia-citatons-with-feed.php Tim On 9/7/06, Lars Aronsson wrote: > > For those of us helplessly addicted to Perl programming, one of > the greatest joys of Wikipedia is the ability to download the > entire database dump in XML format and dig through it for hidden > patterns. These are available at http://download.wikimedia.org/ > > One of the original peculiarities of the wiki markup language used > in Wikipedia's articles is that the letters ISBN followed by one > whitespace and ten digits (or an X) is recognized as a link to a > separate page, from where you can look up that ISBN number in > various bookstores or libraries. In the most recent dump of the > English Wikipedia, I found 161,973 such ISBN patterns. All books > are created equal, but some are more equal than the rest. I found > the following ISBNs to be the most referenced: > > Count ISBN Title > > 460 0954381157 "Trade unions of the world" > 391 0439154049 "The official Pokemon handbook" > 389 193020650X "Official Nintendo Pok?mon FireRed Version" > 387 130206151 (an error for 1930206151, another Pokemon title) > 372 1930206585 "Official Nintendo Pok?mon Emerald Player's Guide" > 357 0761547614 "Prima's Official Pokemon Guide" > 346 0002169878 "Collins Guide to the Sea Fishes of New Zealand" > 342 1569315604 "Pokemon Adventures, Adventure 3: Saffron Cit..." > 334 1930206194 "Super Smash Bros. Melee, Official Guide from..." > 334 1569315086 "Pokemon Adventures: Legendary Pokemon, Vol. 2" > 333 1569314365 "Pokemon Graphic Novel vol. 3: Electric Pikac..." > 332 1930206313 "Gameboy Advance Pokemon Ruby Version and Sap..." > 332 1598120026 "Official Nintendo Pok?mon XD: Gale of Darkne..." > 332 1569318514 "Pokemon Adventures, Volume 7: Yellow Caballe..." > > Well, I could go on, but I'll stop there. I guess all it takes is > a handful of people with a strong interest in Pokemon who are very > careful to cite sources with ISBN numbers, and pretty soon you > outnumber everybody except the guy who wrote 460 articles about > trade unions, always citing the same book. > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) > Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From michele.haytko at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 15:25:11 2007 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Mon Feb 26 15:25:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Assistant to the Electronic Resources Librarian Message-ID: <15e475fa0702261225r19fa16e5o7a3c1d7a0d69c98d@mail.gmail.com> My apologizes for the cross-posting. Please see our website for additional information: www.mc-npl.org --- The Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library Computer Lab has the position of Assistant to the Electronic Resources Librarian, a Support Staff II, currently available. The position is a FTE position of 37 hours, spread across a Monday-Friday workweek (although some Saturdays may be assigned depending on staffing needs) with two evenings per week. This position is classified as a Support Staff II position. For the Support Staff II level, the AERL must have completed at least one academic year of post-secondary school or possess at least 5-7 years previous work experience. The AERL must be computer literate, possess a familiarity with library automation systems, and have valid PA driver's license with the ability to work at any of the library's locations as needed. The primary responsibility of this position is to assist the Electronic Resources Librarian in the management and operation of the Computer Lab. In addition to functioning as the go-to person in the absence of the Electronic Resources Librarian, key tasks are record keeping, marketing, and instruction. In addition to these key tasks, the AERL will be responsible for staffing the check-in desk of the Computer Lab when Support Staff or Volunteers are unavailable. The Assistant to the Electronic Resources Librarian will refer outside agencies and questions to the Electronic Resources Librarian, as appropriate, will assist and offer guidance to Electronic Resources Support Staff, the Electronic Resources Technician, and Computer Lab Volunteers, as needed, and will be familiar with other Library departments and their functions as they relate to the operation of the Computer Lab and so that staff substitution can be utilized, as needed. The position may include some or all of the following skills: Staff Supervision and training - Supervise and assist (as needed) the two part time Support Staff members and the part time Electronic Resources Technician. - Supervise and assist (as needed) Computer Lab Volunteers. - Train Computer Lab and other Library staff, verbally and in writing, as needed, on Computer Lab policies and procedures. Public service responsibilities - Staff the Computer Lab according to the developed schedule and in accordance with classes, including weekdays and evenings in rotation. Some Saturdays may be factored in as needed. - Teach several computer classes on a 6-week calendar rotation. - Register and check-in Computer Lab patrons. This includes providing them with information about policies and procedures, emphasizing the Internet Acceptable Use Guidelines, and referring to the Computer Lab Regulations and Policies as needed. - Provide one-on-one assistance to individual computer users, in accordance with Computer Lab policies. - Monitor the activities of Computer Lab users, to insure compliance with the MC-NPL Internet Acceptable Use Policy. - Maintain knowledge of Circulation responsibly, to ensure substitution of staff, if needed. Back Office responsibilities - Function as the go-to person in the absence of the Electronic Resources Librarian. - Responsible for all record keeping for the Computer Lab. This includes maintaining accurate accounting records for both the daily and weekly Lab funds intake as well as the daily Computer Classes payments, compiling Computer Lab usage statistics, handling all supplies inventory and ordering, maintain the Computer Lab book inventories, and administering the Volunteer hours for both the Business Office and RSVP. - Supervise the update of the Computer Lab Standard Operations and Procedures (SOP) Manual. - Maintain teaching and instructional duties, including the creation of new classes, step-by-step guides, instructional lesson plans, handouts, and demonstrations (where needed). - Develop fresh marketing initiatives to bring the Computer Lab into the public eye. - Develop class schedules, based on previous schedules, and distribute as needed. - Maintain the Computer Lab calendar, including staff meetings, classes meetings, and other meetings as needed. This includes maintenance of the meeting agendas and posting the meeting notes to the Blog. - Plan and orchestrate the annual Computer Lab Holiday Party and annual Computer Lab Summer Soiree, which honors Computer Lab Volunteers, as well as staff. - Search for qualified volunteers, which includes posting ads to volunteer sites, administering volunteer queries, and setting up volunteer interviews. - Grant writing. - Other duties as required. A basic understanding of the operation of microcomputers and software programs is required. The AERL should be proficient with the Microsoft Office package offerings of MS Word, MS Excel, MS PowerPoint, MS Publisher, MS FrontPage, and MS Access. To this degree, the AERL should be able to instruct classes in these programs. The AERL is responsible for record keeping in the Computer Lab and should be highly organized, with an attention to detail. The AERL is responsible for marketing initiatives in the Computer Lab and should be creative, resourceful, and detail oriented. The ability to communicate effectively, both orally and in writing, is essential, as is the ability to interact pleasantly with the general public and fellow library employees. Knowledge of computers and the Internet is vital. The AERL should have previous experience in dealing with the public, ideally in a library environment. The AERL should have previous library experience. The AERL should have previous instructional experience, as instruction in computer classes (Internet, Email, Publisher, PowerPoint, Excel, Access, and FrontPage) is required. Please visit our website, http://www.mc-npl.org and click on Jobs/Volunteer Opportunities to fill out an application. Please email the application, along with a resume, to aphilo@mclinc.org. Only applications submitted electronically will be accepted. Ideal candidates will be contacted for interviews. Please, no phone calls. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Feb 26 15:50:38 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Feb 26 15:50:46 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Wanted and Needed: A test bed! Message-ID: I sent this message out to the SUNY Librarians Association Discussion List (SUNYLA-L) today. I am posting it here for discussion and suggestions. In Participatory Networks: The Library as Conversation ( http://iis.syr.edu/projects/PNOpen/ParticiaptoryNetworks.pdf ), the authors suggest the creation of a test bed to be shared by groups of libraries: "To complement the more abstract exploration of participatory networks and participatory librarianship, there must be an active "playground" where conversants can experience first hand the technologies discussed, and then actively shape the tools of participation. This is the test bed. This test bed would implement a participatory network of libraries, and provide a common technology platform to host blogs, Wikis, discussion boards, RSS aggregators, and the like. These shared technologies would be used both to experiment with new technologies and to provide real services to libraries. Thus, libraries could not only read about blogging applications, they could try them and could even roll them out to their community members. As libraries start new community initiatives they could rapidly add Wikis and RSS feeds, hosted at the shared test bed. The test bed would also make all software available to the libraries so they could locally implement technologies that have proven themselves. The test bed would provide both the open source software, and consulting support to implement features locally. The test bed would also develop new metrics and means of evaluating participatory library services for the use of planners and policy makers." I believe that such a test bed could be created within and amongst SUNY libraries for the use of SUNY librarians to learn about these new technologies and to develop new services within their libraries and across SUNY. This may take a buy in by the Council of Library Directors, SUNYLA, ITEC, and of course OLIS. Many of the pieces are available for free from such sites as Blogger, PBwiki, and others but we need to be able to do this within SUNY using SUNY expertise and resources. The test bed could provide a place for libraries within SUNY that do not have local support for such services to provide these services. Many SUNY libraries (both state ops and community colleges) are already providing these services using Blogger and other non-SUNY sites. Lets bring it in-house so we can develop the necessary technical expertise and experience to use and develop so-called Library 2.0 services. Any thoughts? I will also post this message to my blog at http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com so you can leave your comments there as well. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 Facebook me BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog: http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From dawnework at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 18:08:20 2007 From: dawnework at yahoo.com (Dawn Work MaKinne) Date: Mon Feb 26 18:08:25 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? Message-ID: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a link within our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our homepage, their pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically all over the place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and (2) I find no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. Dawn Dawn Work-MaKinne Des Moines Public Library Des Moines, Iowa deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com From chutchens at montana.edu Mon Feb 26 18:48:58 2007 From: chutchens at montana.edu (Hutchens, Chad) Date: Mon Feb 26 18:50:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? In-Reply-To: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We're toying with the idea of putting supporting logos and names (for people/companies that contribute to our endowment) on a separate page that a user sees momentarily (for like 5 seconds) before they're dropped into a database. We're just in the experimental phase right now to how it's going to fly with the rest of the campus (and other librarians). Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not done in an annoying way. I see plenty of libraries putting up logos that demonstrate that support for databases comes out of tax dollars...why not for private companies and/or individuals? It's really no different than a book plate on the web in my opinion. Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Work MaKinne Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a link within our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our homepage, their pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically all over the place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and (2) I find no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. Dawn Dawn Work-MaKinne Des Moines Public Library Des Moines, Iowa deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Mon Feb 26 19:07:55 2007 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:08:28 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? In-Reply-To: References: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or a corporate gift-named reading room.... -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Chad Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:49 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? We're toying with the idea of putting supporting logos and names (for people/companies that contribute to our endowment) on a separate page that a user sees momentarily (for like 5 seconds) before they're dropped into a database. We're just in the experimental phase right now to how it's going to fly with the rest of the campus (and other librarians). Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not done in an annoying way. I see plenty of libraries putting up logos that demonstrate that support for databases comes out of tax dollars...why not for private companies and/or individuals? It's really no different than a book plate on the web in my opinion. Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Work MaKinne Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a link within our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our homepage, their pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically all over the place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and (2) I find no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. Dawn Dawn Work-MaKinne Des Moines Public Library Des Moines, Iowa deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 19:56:54 2007 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:56:58 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? In-Reply-To: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As others have stated it's not much different then some of the physical things. However, as a user I'd prefer that they not be overly distracting and ideally would be on a sponsors page which could be linked to from all pages instead of logos scattered throughout. If you decide to put them anywhere then my only suggestion may be to think out some guidelines about size and level of sponsorship for various placements. Maybe I'm cynical but I think if you don't have some sort of rules then you might end up with everyone that has ever given to the library trying to get a giant banner on the homepage for their cause. Setting some constraints, or maybe even rotations, could help make it more manageable. Having an area on your homepage or other pages for sponsors that rotates the logos with each visit might be compromise that pleases both patrons and sponsors. Just some ideas, I've been lucky enough not to have to implement such a thing. Ryan Eby On 2/26/07, Dawn Work MaKinne wrote: > I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a link within our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our homepage, their pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically all over the place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and (2) I find no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. > > Dawn > > Dawn Work-MaKinne > Des Moines Public Library > Des Moines, Iowa > deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com > From Conal.Tuohy at vuw.ac.nz Mon Feb 26 20:13:11 2007 From: Conal.Tuohy at vuw.ac.nz (Conal Tuohy) Date: Mon Feb 26 20:16:26 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? Message-ID: But you don't have to spend 5 seconds genuflecting before the sponsor's logo on the door, every time you enter the room :-) IMHO that would get very irritating quite quickly. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of HAZEL Margaret E > Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:08 > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > Or a corporate gift-named reading room.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Chad > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:49 PM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > We're toying with the idea of putting supporting logos and names (for > people/companies that contribute to our endowment) on a separate page > that a user sees momentarily (for like 5 seconds) before > they're dropped > into a database. We're just in the experimental phase right > now to how > it's going to fly with the rest of the campus (and other librarians). > > Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not > done in an > annoying way. > > I see plenty of libraries putting up logos that demonstrate > that support > for databases comes out of tax dollars...why not for private companies > and/or individuals? > > It's really no different than a book plate on the web in my opinion. > > Chad E. Hutchens > Electronic Resources Librarian > Montana State University Libraries > P.O. Box 173320 > Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 > (406) 994-4313 phone > (406) 994-2851 fax > chutchens@montana.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dawn > Work MaKinne > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:08 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of > library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We > used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having > their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that > website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a > link within > our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our > homepage, their > pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically > all over the > place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with > library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten > one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and > (2) I find > no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. > > Dawn > > Dawn Work-MaKinne > Des Moines Public Library > Des Moines, Iowa > deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From EAH0116 at ecu.edu Tue Feb 27 05:24:37 2007 From: EAH0116 at ecu.edu (Hirst, Edward Alan, Jr) Date: Tue Feb 27 05:24:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? References: <986325.43763.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <692A06C6C9175146AC226FBF6E5D8FBDD1120B@ecust3.intra.ecu.edu> We use a logo or a text link on event pages that someone has partnered with us on. I'm not sure I would want to see them plastered all over a website though. The idea of having a separate page seems a little annoying to me. ed Edward Hirst Information Technology Librarian Rowan Public Library http://www.rowanpubliclibrary.org Salisbury, NC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Hutchens, Chad Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 6:48 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? We're toying with the idea of putting supporting logos and names (for people/companies that contribute to our endowment) on a separate page that a user sees momentarily (for like 5 seconds) before they're dropped into a database. We're just in the experimental phase right now to how it's going to fly with the rest of the campus (and other librarians). Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not done in an annoying way. I see plenty of libraries putting up logos that demonstrate that support for databases comes out of tax dollars...why not for private companies and/or individuals? It's really no different than a book plate on the web in my opinion. Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Work MaKinne Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a link within our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our homepage, their pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically all over the place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and (2) I find no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. Dawn Dawn Work-MaKinne Des Moines Public Library Des Moines, Iowa deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Feb 27 10:51:58 2007 From: dan at riverofdata.com (dan@riverofdata.com) Date: Tue Feb 27 11:01:34 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? Message-ID: <20070227155158.14577.qmail@ns2.webmasters.com> Several years ago I was web manager of www.idaholibraries.org, the site of the Idaho Library Association. At that time we sold ads to companies and had a "sponsors page" that you could link to. You never saw the sponsors' info unless you clicked to that page, though the link to it was somewhat prominent. Check the site and you'll see that it now has the ads down the right border. Visible on home page, but not objectionable, at least to me. They don't appear on subsequent pages. Personally, I think it is fine to do, but I'd certainly not do it in any offensive manner, such as the five second redirect that was suggested. I'd consider either of the two ILA options as probably appropriate, even though I'm essentially positive it isn't legal to do so in Idaho. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Conal Tuohy Conal.Tuohy@vuw.ac.nz To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Sent: 2/26/07 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > But you don't have to spend 5 seconds genuflecting before the sponsor's > logo on the door, every time you enter the room :-) > > IMHO that would get very irritating quite quickly. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of HAZEL Margaret E > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:08 > > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > > > Or a corporate gift-named reading room.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Chad > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:49 PM > > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > > > We're toying with the idea of putting supporting logos and names (for > > people/companies that contribute to our endowment) on a separate page > > that a user sees momentarily (for like 5 seconds) before > > they're dropped > > into a database. We're just in the experimental phase right > > now to how > > it's going to fly with the rest of the campus (and other librarians). > > > > Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not > > done in an > > annoying way. > > > > I see plenty of libraries putting up logos that demonstrate > > that support > > for databases comes out of tax dollars...why not for private companies > > and/or individuals? > > > > It's really no different than a book plate on the web in my opinion. > > > > Chad E. Hutchens > > Electronic Resources Librarian > > Montana State University Libraries > > P.O. Box 173320 > > Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 > > (406) 994-4313 phone > > (406) 994-2851 fax > > chutchens@montana.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dawn > > Work MaKinne > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:08 PM > > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: [Web4lib] Corporate logos on library websites? > > > > I'm trying to discover if any libraries allow corporate logos (of > > library supporters) on library homepages or other library webpages. We > > used to have this conundrum solved by our library foundation having > > their own separate web domain, and we posted corporate logos on that > > website without much worry. Now our library foundation is a > > link within > > our domain, and they would like to post logos on on our > > homepage, their > > pages, summer reading pages, other program pages, basically > > all over the > > place. I have concerns about so much mixture of commercial space with > > library space. Does anyone have a written policy? Or even an unwritten > > one? I've been looking around, and (1) I find no policies and > > (2) I find > > no corporate logos on library websites. Hmmm. > > > > Dawn > > > > Dawn Work-MaKinne > > Des Moines Public Library > > Des Moines, Iowa > > deworkmakinne@desmoineslibrary.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 27 11:57:51 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Feb 27 12:22:01 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Bill Drew's Wiki Message-ID: I am doing away and not renewing my BillDrew.Net domain and website. What I can do on it is very limited. I have created a new wiki using pbWiki. Click on the link below to see it. Feel free to leave me comments on the comment pages. Some of the pages such as my publications, training I have done, and presentations are not up to date yet. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 Facebook me Bill Drew's Wiki: http://billdrew.pbwiki.com/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From eden at library.ucsb.edu Tue Feb 27 12:40:20 2007 From: eden at library.ucsb.edu (Brad Eden) Date: Tue Feb 27 12:58:16 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for articles: Library Hi Tech special issue In-Reply-To: <45DF17CE.8020807@library.ucsb.edu> References: <45DF17CE.8020807@library.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <45E46D04.6060005@library.ucsb.edu> Please excuse any duplication. Please forward to other interested colleagues and listservs. This is a call for articles for a special issue of _Library Hi Tech_, whose focus will be on information organization futures. The editor of this special issue is looking for innovative and interesting ways that libraries are using the structured metadata in their OPACs, to provide new and exciting ways to interact and use library collections and services for their users. Opinion pieces on this topic are welcome, as well as uses of new technologies and user features such as 2D and 3D information visualization, social tagging/software, integration with other structured metadata sources, or search interfaces that combine both analog and electronic resources in unique ways, are of interest to the editor. Software prototypes or projects which help users to manipulate data, and/or personalize data, are also welcome. If you are interested in submitting an article, please send a short proposal, discussing the topic and a suggested title, to the email below by March 30, 2007. Draft articles are due to the editor by October 1, 2007. Inquiries and questions are also welcome. Dr. Brad Eden Associate University Librarian for Technical Services and Scholarly Communication University of California, Santa Barbara Associate Editor, _Library Hi Tech_ eden@library.ucsb.edu From redfernshaw at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 17:50:34 2007 From: redfernshaw at gmail.com (Jocelyn Shaw) Date: Tue Feb 27 17:50:42 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Message-ID: Hi, We are in the process of looking at different software for managing our Internet stations. We are looking at PC-Cop and were wondering if anyone had any comments on it. TIA! Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Shaw Librarian Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Muskegon MI 49440 From csuzui at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 20:59:56 2007 From: csuzui at gmail.com (Carole Suzui) Date: Tue Feb 27 21:00:00 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web Message-ID: Has anyone used Microsoft Expression Web, the web authoring package that is replacing FrontPage? How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced features, learning curve, tech support, and standards. Thank you. -- Carole S. Suzui Federal Documents Hawaii State Library 478 South King Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 (808) 586-3583 carole@imail.librarieshawaii.org From cirwin at criminal-sound.com Wed Feb 28 00:54:14 2007 From: cirwin at criminal-sound.com (Charlie Irwin) Date: Wed Feb 28 00:46:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E51906.3070206@criminal-sound.com> I went to the Microsoft Expression Web site and it doesn't display properly in either Firefox (2.0.0.2) or Opera 9.10. Makes me wonder if - like FrontPage - MEW is optimized for IE. Charlie Irwin Austin, TX Carole Suzui wrote: > Has anyone used Microsoft Expression Web, the web authoring package > that is > replacing FrontPage? How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced > features, learning curve, tech support, and standards. > > Thank you. > From micah at raincross-tech.com Wed Feb 28 02:45:13 2007 From: micah at raincross-tech.com (Micah Stevens) Date: Wed Feb 28 02:42:37 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web In-Reply-To: <45E51906.3070206@criminal-sound.com> References: <45E51906.3070206@criminal-sound.com> Message-ID: <45E53309.2030204@raincross-tech.com> The preview version has a tendency to overload pages with inline styles, much akin to Frontpage, something I dislike quite a bit. However it's much better than Front Page, and doesn't do strange things behind your back when you're working directly with the code like it's former self. It's clearly much evolved away from what you expect from Microsoft for this sort of thing. I have to restate though that I was using a preview version which is likely less polished than the current release. There also doesn't seem to be any support for non-microsoft server side code such as PHP, or Java servlets. Just ASP. Nor does it run on anything but windows, so if you need cross platform support, you better use Dreamweaver. All in all, I'd say Expression is a great package, but Dreamweaver would be my choice of the two. It has a much larger support base, you can get it for multiple platforms, most professionals will have it, so it's easier to network, and it's been in the field longer. My personal favorite is a good text editor. :) Cross platform and standards compliant, and it always does what you tell it to do. HTH -Micah On 02/27/2007 09:54 PM, Charlie Irwin wrote: > I went to the Microsoft Expression Web site and it doesn't display > properly in either Firefox (2.0.0.2) or Opera 9.10. Makes me wonder if > - like FrontPage - MEW is optimized for IE. > > Charlie Irwin > Austin, TX > > Carole Suzui wrote: >> Has anyone used Microsoft Expression Web, the web authoring package >> that is >> replacing FrontPage? How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced >> features, learning curve, tech support, and standards. >> >> Thank you. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org Wed Feb 28 10:27:36 2007 From: rboulton at stcharleslibrary.org (Robin) Date: Wed Feb 28 10:27:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I strongly recommend PC Reservation from www.envisionware.com. We've used it for about 4 years now and it is as close to flawless as any software I've ever worked with. The company's commitment to end user satisfaction is streets ahead of any other vendor I know of, and the product is great. They also have a compatible cost-recovery system for managing printing, called LPTOne. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Hi, We are in the process of looking at different software for managing our Internet stations. We are looking at PC-Cop and were wondering if anyone had any comments on it. TIA! Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Shaw Librarian Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Muskegon MI 49440 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Jason-Griffey at utc.edu Wed Feb 28 11:05:56 2007 From: Jason-Griffey at utc.edu (Jason Griffey) Date: Wed Feb 28 11:14:40 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] WANTED: TWO LIBRARIANS COMMITTED TO THE USER-FOCUSED LIBRARY EXPERIENCE Message-ID: The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga is, if I may be a little biased, an up and coming academic library with an amazing faculty. We are attempting to fill two librarian positions with exciting, innovative, and interesting people to help fill out our great current faculty. The formal job descriptions follow: ******** The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga's Lupton Library invites applications from energetic, collaborative and forward-thinking professionals to fill two tenure-track vacancies on our team. Reference and Instruction Librarian The Reference and Instruction Department is seeking a creative and student-centered librarian to join an engaged and progressive 7-person team with a strong customer service focus. The position reports to the Head of Reference and Instruction Services. The position's responsibilities will include: regular reference desk shifts, user instruction both in the classroom and one-on-one settings, active participation in the development of teaching materials and research guides, creation and maintenance of website content, subject-specific collection development responsibilities, and participation in faculty liaison and outreach activities. Web Technologies Librarian The Information Technology Department is seeking an innovative and web-savvy librarian to join its growing technology services team. The position reports to the Head of Library Information Technology. The position's responsibilities will include exploring, testing, and implementing new and existing web based services in the Lupton Library such as: a new dynamic PHP/MySQL based library web site, blogs, wikis, hacking the library OPAC to better serve our patrons, web-based media for podcasting/vodcasting, developing digital repositories, and using browser based technologies to improve our patron experience and push Lupton Library to be a leader in library technology. To view the complete position descriptions go to: A review of applications will begin March 15, 2007 and will continue until the positions are filled. Interested applicants should submit a letter of application including the position of interest, vita, and the contact information for three references including the professional relationship of applicant to reference. Send materials to: Anna Lane, Lupton Library, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, 615 McCallie Ave, Chattanooga, TN 37403; fax materials to 423-425-4775 attention Anna Lane; or email to anna-lane@utc.edu. Thanks for any interest! Jason Griffey Assistant Professor Head of Library Information Technology University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Avenue, Chattanooga, TN 37403 jason-griffey@utc.edu :: (423) 425-5449 This correspondence should be considered a public record and subject to public inspection pursuant to the Tennessee Public Records Act From aramirez at hplibrary.org Wed Feb 28 12:13:02 2007 From: aramirez at hplibrary.org (aramirez) Date: Wed Feb 28 12:16:12 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] automated response Message-ID: <10702281113.AA103588587@hplibrary.org> I will not be in today 2/28/07. I will return on Thursday March 1st. Thanks, From EAH0116 at ecu.edu Wed Feb 28 12:15:11 2007 From: EAH0116 at ecu.edu (Hirst, Edward Alan, Jr) Date: Wed Feb 28 12:18:29 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software References: Message-ID: <692A06C6C9175146AC226FBF6E5D8FBDD1120F@ecust3.intra.ecu.edu> I will second the vote for Envisionware. Last year we had 84,000 user logins on 50 public machines and Envisionware performed flawlessly. ed Edward Hirst Information Technology Librarian Rowan Public Library http://www.rowanpubliclibrary.org Salisbury, NC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Robin Sent: Wed 2/28/2007 10:27 AM To: Jocelyn Shaw; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software I strongly recommend PC Reservation from www.envisionware.com. We've used it for about 4 years now and it is as close to flawless as any software I've ever worked with. The company's commitment to end user satisfaction is streets ahead of any other vendor I know of, and the product is great. They also have a compatible cost-recovery system for managing printing, called LPTOne. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Hi, We are in the process of looking at different software for managing our Internet stations. We are looking at PC-Cop and were wondering if anyone had any comments on it. TIA! Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Shaw Librarian Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Muskegon MI 49440 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From MichaelMay.27904586 at bloglines.com Wed Feb 28 12:19:25 2007 From: MichaelMay.27904586 at bloglines.com (MichaelMay.27904586@bloglines.com) Date: Wed Feb 28 12:25:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web Message-ID: <1172683165.591749710.5952.sendItem@bloglines.com> Have you considered Nvu? I'm not an expert, but Nvu seems to be comparable to FrontPage and Dreamweaver, except that it is free. From the Nvu site: Question: Is Nvu a clone of Microsoft's FrontPage and/or Macromedia's Dreamweaver? Answer: FrontPage and Dreamweaver are popular HTML editors for MS Windows. These programs have become popular because they make web design extremely easy, even for non-technical people. Nvu is not an exact clone of either of these products, but it does contain many of the same easy-to-use features which makes these programs so popular.Users familiar with either of these two products will feel right at home using Nvu. http://www.nvu.com/index.php Mike in Dubuque > > Carole Suzui wrote: > >> Has anyone used Microsoft Expression Web, the web authoring package > >> that is > >> replacing FrontPage? How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced > >> features, learning curve, tech support, and standards. > >> > >> Thank you. From beanworks at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 13:21:37 2007 From: beanworks at gmail.com (Carol Bean) Date: Wed Feb 28 13:24:47 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web In-Reply-To: <8386e5430702281019j12b28f34p486f9b571700f3da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1172683165.591749710.5952.sendItem@bloglines.com> <8386e5430702281019j12b28f34p486f9b571700f3da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8386e5430702281021x455fd794kb95f4f749b7f4a1a@mail.gmail.com> I've used Nvu, and it's good, but I wouldn't say it's on a par with Dreamweaver. Of course, the price is right. :-) And it's available in both Windows and Linux. The wysiwyg part is very good, but switching to the code part of Nvu just seems to cause problems. If you do need to get into the code, use a text editor or code editor. But one of the things I've noticed is it adds huge blocks of white space to the code, so when I go in to edit the code by hand I spend a lot of time just getting rid of the whitespace (which returns the next time someone edits the page with Nvu). Depending on how much HTML you need to know and how much complexity you need for the website, it could be the right solution. I'd pick it over anything from Microsoft, but not over Dreamweaver. But that's just me... Carol beanworks.wordpress.com On 2/28/07, Carol Bean wrote: > > I've used Nvu, and it's good, but I wouldn't say it's on a par with > Dreamweaver. Of course, the price is right. :-) And it's available in both > Windows and Linux. > > The wysiwyg part is very good, but switching to the code part of Nvu just > seems to cause problems. If you do need to get into the code, use a text > editor or code editor. But one of the things I've noticed is it adds huge > blocks of white space to the code, so when I go in to edit the code by hand > I spend a lot of time just getting rid of the whitespace (which returns the > next time someone edits the page with Nvu). > > Depending on how much HTML you need to know and how much complexity you > need for the website, it could be the right solution. I'd pick it over > anything from Microsoft, but not over Dreamweaver. But that's just me... > > Carol > beanworks.wordpress.com > > On 28 Feb 2007 17:19:25 -0000, MichaelMay.27904586@bloglines.com < > MichaelMay.27904586@bloglines.com> wrote: > > > > Have you considered Nvu? I'm not an expert, but Nvu seems to be > > comparable > > to FrontPage and Dreamweaver, except that it is free. From the Nvu site: > > > > Question: Is Nvu a clone of Microsoft's FrontPage and/or Macromedia's > > Dreamweaver? > > > > > > Answer: FrontPage and Dreamweaver are popular HTML editors for MS > > Windows. > > These programs have become popular because they make web design > > extremely > > easy, even for non-technical people. Nvu is not an exact clone of either > > of > > these products, but it does contain many of the same easy-to-use > > features > > which makes these programs so popular.Users familiar with either of > > these > > two products will feel right at home using Nvu. > > > > http://www.nvu.com/index.php > > > > > > Mike in Dubuque > > > > > > Carole Suzui wrote: > > > >> Has anyone used Microsoft > > Expression Web, the web authoring package > > > >> that is > > > >> replacing FrontPage? > > How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced > > > >> features, learning > > curve, tech support, and standards. > > > >> > > > >> Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > From Jennifer.Stirling at biblioottawalibrary.ca Wed Feb 28 13:28:38 2007 From: Jennifer.Stirling at biblioottawalibrary.ca (Stirling, Jennifer) Date: Wed Feb 28 13:30:04 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Message-ID: <8F904F27152C6C498072F7FD66F4B588FB11CF@cmmp002.city.a.ottawa.ca> We like Telus' Library Online. It has worked very well for us since 2003. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:rboulton@stcharleslibrary.org] Sent: February 28, 2007 10:28 AM To: Jocelyn Shaw; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software I strongly recommend PC Reservation from www.envisionware.com. We've used it for about 4 years now and it is as close to flawless as any software I've ever worked with. The company's commitment to end user satisfaction is streets ahead of any other vendor I know of, and the product is great. They also have a compatible cost-recovery system for managing printing, called LPTOne. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Hi, We are in the process of looking at different software for managing our Internet stations. We are looking at PC-Cop and were wondering if anyone had any comments on it. TIA! Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Shaw Librarian Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Muskegon MI 49440 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le pr?sent courriel a ?t? exp?di? par le syst?me de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire pr?vu est interdite. Si vous avez re?u le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par t?l?phone (au num?ro pr?cit?) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans d?lai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. From AWDobbs at ship.edu Wed Feb 28 13:40:41 2007 From: AWDobbs at ship.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed Feb 28 13:40:49 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web (Nvu) In-Reply-To: <1172683165.591749710.5952.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A9B3AC9@shipmail01.ship.lcl> If you /*never*/ look at the code behind the page, Nvu is quite nice. However, if you're like me & like to nest your divs or indent other semi-static content with a text editor, Nvu completely whacks any formatting out of the code view on edited pages. This is the major reason I do not encourage Nvu here at MPOW. -Aaron :-)' PS If you know how to keep Nvu from doing this, I would dearly love to know! -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of MichaelMay.27904586@bloglines.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:19 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Dreamweaver 8 vs Microsoft Expression Web Have you considered Nvu? I'm not an expert, but Nvu seems to be comparable to FrontPage and Dreamweaver, except that it is free. From the Nvu site: Question: Is Nvu a clone of Microsoft's FrontPage and/or Macromedia's Dreamweaver? Answer: FrontPage and Dreamweaver are popular HTML editors for MS Windows. These programs have become popular because they make web design extremely easy, even for non-technical people. Nvu is not an exact clone of either of these products, but it does contain many of the same easy-to-use features which makes these programs so popular.Users familiar with either of these two products will feel right at home using Nvu. http://www.nvu.com/index.php Mike in Dubuque > > Carole Suzui wrote: > >> Has anyone used Microsoft Expression Web, the web authoring package > >> that is > >> replacing FrontPage? How does it compare to Dreamweaver 8 in advanced > >> features, learning curve, tech support, and standards. > >> > >> Thank you. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dschumann at trlib.org Wed Feb 28 13:50:04 2007 From: dschumann at trlib.org (dschumann@trlib.org) Date: Wed Feb 28 13:50:15 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software References: <8F904F27152C6C498072F7FD66F4B588FB11CF@cmmp002.city.a.ottawa.ca> Message-ID: <238675B9BCBC61489BF37AFA6EF0C7C802BBB909@trlibmail.timber.trlib.org> We are also very happy with Telus Library Online. We have used it since 2000 with about 200 public computers in 27 libraries. We don't use the print control module, but it is available. ******************************** Donna Schumann Timberland Regional Library 415 Tumwater Blvd. Tumwater, WA 98506 360-704-4542 dschumann@trlib.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Stirling, Jennifer Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:29 AM To: Robin; Jocelyn Shaw; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software We like Telus' Library Online. It has worked very well for us since 2003. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:rboulton@stcharleslibrary.org] Sent: February 28, 2007 10:28 AM To: Jocelyn Shaw; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software I strongly recommend PC Reservation from www.envisionware.com. We've used it for about 4 years now and it is as close to flawless as any software I've ever worked with. The company's commitment to end user satisfaction is streets ahead of any other vendor I know of, and the product is great. They also have a compatible cost-recovery system for managing printing, called LPTOne. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jocelyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Public Internet station time management software Hi, We are in the process of looking at different software for managing our Internet stations. We are looking at PC-Cop and were wondering if anyone had any comments on it. TIA! Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Shaw Librarian Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Muskegon MI 49440 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. 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Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lrudd at alexandria.lib.va.us Wed Feb 28 16:20:42 2007 From: lrudd at alexandria.lib.va.us (Lynda Rudd) Date: Wed Feb 28 16:20:45 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Filters for Staff and Public PCs Message-ID: <45E5F22A.1080503@alexandria.lib.va.us> Hi All, My library is currently researching the various types of filtering products, their costs and effectiveness, and staff/patron attitude toward them. Please feel free to respond to me off-list. Thanks in advance for your help. -- Lynda Y. Rudd Technical Services Manager Alexandria Library 5005 Duke Street, Alexandria, VA 22304 Ph: 703-519-5904 x229 Fax: 703-519-5917 Information contained in this e-mail transmission is privileged, confidential and covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sections 510-2521, and all applicable state and local laws, statutes, rules, ordinances, and regulations. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, distribute, or reproduce this transmission. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please notify me immediately of the error by return email and please delete the message from your system. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Feb 28 16:52:15 2007 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Feb 28 16:52:20 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Library 2.0 -- a Ning Social Network Message-ID: To get the ball rolling, I am setting up a Library 2.0 social network on Ning . It is called "Library 2.0" and the URL is http://library20.ning.com . I will send out invitations when it is setup minimally. I want to open it up to all Library 2.0 advocates and enthusiasts to mold and manipulate and to congregate. I even created a logo based on the universal library symbol. Stay tuned for more. Ning must be getting lots of hits today as it is running slow. They are also experiencing a few technical problems according to their blog. ________________________________ Technorati tags: Library2.0 , Ning , Social Networks Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 Facebook me Bill Drew's Wiki: http://billdrew.pbwiki.com/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog: http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From bdegeer at bartlesville.lib.ok.us Wed Feb 28 17:01:12 2007 From: bdegeer at bartlesville.lib.ok.us (Beth DeGeer) Date: Wed Feb 28 17:01:22 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice? PCs will connect to LAN but not internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c75b83$f5cb4010$070210ac@Beth> I'm having a problem over here and I can't figure out what's going on. Recently we got in six new PCs, set them up and put them out for the public. We have had no problems with them until now. Around the same time we got in a new one for a staff member. We also have four "old" PCs that were set up with security so they'll only access the library catalog over the internet. These computers are unable to access the internet as of this morning. They are on the network, can see other computers on the network, they just can't get to the internet. The staff computer has a 172.16.2.X address, the public ones are all 172.16.3.x. Other PCs in both ip ranges can access the internet with no problem. The staff computer is plugged into a different switch than the public computers. Other computers on both of those switches are not having a problem. While all of the public computers are secured with Microsoft Shared computer toolkit, the staff computer is not. While the six new public computers and the one staff computer are the same Dell model, and arrived at the same time, the four catalog computers are older ones. I cannot figure out what they have in common, or why they are unable to access the net. Can you think of anything to check? I have looked at the firewall, but no changes have been made recently, and I also looked at the content filter, but again, no changes lately. Thanks for any help you can offer. Beth DeGeer Assistant Director Bartlesville Public Library 600 S. Johnstone, Bartlesville, OK 74003 (918) 338-4164 bdegeer@bartlesville.lib.ok.us http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us/ From AWDobbs at ship.edu Wed Feb 28 17:29:56 2007 From: AWDobbs at ship.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed Feb 28 17:30:03 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice? PCs will connect to LAN but not internet In-Reply-To: <000201c75b83$f5cb4010$070210ac@Beth> Message-ID: <8D4FC509D4D4944EBF736B9EEF7DB3DC0A9DA9BA@shipmail01.ship.lcl> Hi Beth, Do they have Static IP assignments? Check the network mask (255.0.0.0 is different from 255.255.0.0 is different from 255.255.255.0, etc.) Check the default gateway, is it on the same logical subnet as the machines? (I've experienced both of these (above) and 4 out of 7 times this is it) -Aaron :-)' Miranda: "You have your backup backing up your backups" Mike: "Recursives! Spoiled again!" -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Beth DeGeer Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:01 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Advice? PCs will connect to LAN but not internet I'm having a problem over here and I can't figure out what's going on. Recently we got in six new PCs, set them up and put them out for the public. We have had no problems with them until now. Around the same time we got in a new one for a staff member. We also have four "old" PCs that were set up with security so they'll only access the library catalog over the internet. These computers are unable to access the internet as of this morning. They are on the network, can see other computers on the network, they just can't get to the internet. The staff computer has a 172.16.2.X address, the public ones are all 172.16.3.x. Other PCs in both ip ranges can access the internet with no problem. The staff computer is plugged into a different switch than the public computers. Other computers on both of those switches are not having a problem. While all of the public computers are secured with Microsoft Shared computer toolkit, the staff computer is not. While the six new public computers and the one staff computer are the same Dell model, and arrived at the same time, the four catalog computers are older ones. I cannot figure out what they have in common, or why they are unable to access the net. Can you think of anything to check? I have looked at the firewall, but no changes have been made recently, and I also looked at the content filter, but again, no changes lately. Thanks for any help you can offer. Beth DeGeer Assistant Director Bartlesville Public Library 600 S. Johnstone, Bartlesville, OK 74003 (918) 338-4164 bdegeer@bartlesville.lib.ok.us http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Feb 28 17:50:24 2007 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed Feb 28 17:52:33 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Advice? PCs will connect to LAN but not internet In-Reply-To: <000201c75b83$f5cb4010$070210ac@Beth> References: <000201c75b83$f5cb4010$070210ac@Beth> Message-ID: <2346.207.74.176.190.1172703024.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> Beth, This is probably outside the scope of the Web4Lib list but since I know the pain of networking troubleshooting, here's a few things to try: 1) Check your network configuration on the problem PCs The easiest way to do this: Start - Run - type in 'cmd' (no quotes) and press enter You'll then see a dos-style command box. Type in: ipconfig /all That should list the computer IP and DNS Server address. Confirm that the correct addresses are showing. Compare it against a working computer to be sure. When "I can't connect to the Internet" isn't due to a hardware problem, it's usually caused by a problem with the network settings, like the DNS server. 2) Confirm network connectivity You want to check that your computers can actually get beyond your firewall. From the same command box, type: ping www.yahoo.com You should see something like: W:\amutch>ping www.yahoo.com Pinging www.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net [69.147.114.210] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 69.147.114.210: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=51 Reply from 69.147.114.210: bytes=32 time=166ms TTL=51 Reply from 69.147.114.210: bytes=32 time=158ms TTL=51 Reply from 69.147.114.210: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=51 Ping statistics for 69.147.114.210: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 158ms, Maximum = 167ms, Average = 162ms If you see this, you know you have at least basic connectivity established [some firewalls block this traffic so if the site times out, try it on a working computer]. If you get "host unreachable", that's likely due to a physical problem like a bad cable or switch. If you get "unable to resolve host" or something similar, the problem is that your computer can't talk to the DNS server. Double-check the DNS settings. 3) Establish browser connectivity If you can reach Yahoo using a Ping, your browser settings might have been changed (malware/spyware can cause this). Open up your browser and check to see that proxy settings haven't been set or changed (does all your traffic run through the content filter?). In Internet Explorer, it's located here: Tools - Internet Options - Connections - LAN Settings - Proxy Server Again, compare them against a working computer. If they've been changed, change them back and see if that gets you going. If you use Public Web Browser or a similar browser replacement, the settings are determined by IE. If you use Firefox, it has similar settings in the options/preferences. I would start with your staff computer as you'll have less variables do deal with in troubleshooting. Also, changing network settings will require Administrator permissions so log in with an Administrator-level user account. A couple other items to try: a) Change the port that the staff PC is plugged into. b) Change the network cable connecting the staff computer to the network These probably won't make a difference but sometimes the problem can be as easily resolved as this. I can't guarantee that any of the above will fix the problem but it will help narrow down the scope of the problem and at least address basic networking problems. Also, while it seems like the problems are related and they may very well be, don't assume that's the case. Sometimes it's just coincidence that computers start acting up at the same time. You want to avoid overlooking solutions just because it doesn't necessarily fit your assumptions. Good luck! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI > > I'm having a problem over here and I can't figure out what's going on. > Recently we got in six new PCs, set them up and put them out for the > public. > We have had no problems with them until now. Around the same time we got > in > a new one for a staff member. We also have four "old" PCs that were set > up > with security so they'll only access the library catalog over the > internet. > > These computers are unable to access the internet as of this morning. > > They are on the network, can see other computers on the network, they just > can't get to the internet. The staff computer has a 172.16.2.X address, > the > public ones are all 172.16.3.x. Other PCs in both ip ranges can access > the > internet with no problem. > > The staff computer is plugged into a different switch than the public > computers. Other computers on both of those switches are not having a > problem. > > While all of the public computers are secured with Microsoft Shared > computer > toolkit, the staff computer is not. While the six new public computers > and > the one staff computer are the same Dell model, and arrived at the same > time, the four catalog computers are older ones. > > I cannot figure out what they have in common, or why they are unable to > access the net. Can you think of anything to check? I have looked at the > firewall, but no changes have been made recently, and I also looked at the > content filter, but again, no changes lately. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Beth DeGeer > Assistant Director > Bartlesville Public Library > 600 S. Johnstone, Bartlesville, OK 74003 > (918) 338-4164 bdegeer@bartlesville.lib.ok.us > http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From st.hedges at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 21:27:14 2007 From: st.hedges at gmail.com (Stephen Hedges) Date: Wed Feb 28 21:27:19 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Filters for Staff and Public PCs In-Reply-To: <45E5F22A.1080503@alexandria.lib.va.us> References: <45E5F22A.1080503@alexandria.lib.va.us> Message-ID: You should look at http://libraryfiltering.org/. Stephen On 2/28/07, Lynda Rudd wrote: > Hi All, > > My library is currently researching the various types of filtering > products, their costs and effectiveness, and staff/patron attitude > toward them. Please feel free to respond to me off-list. Thanks in > advance for your help. > -- > > Lynda Y. Rudd > Technical Services Manager > Alexandria Library > 5005 Duke Street, Alexandria, VA 22304 > Ph: 703-519-5904 x229 > Fax: 703-519-5917 > > > Information contained in this e-mail transmission is privileged, > confidential and covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, > 18 U.S.C. Sections 510-2521, and all applicable state and local laws, > statutes, rules, ordinances, and regulations. If you are not the > intended recipient, do not read, distribute, or reproduce this > transmission. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, > please notify me immediately of the error by return email and please > delete the message from your system. Thank you in advance for your > cooperation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From PaulGraham at po-box.esu.edu Tue Feb 27 15:34:34 2007 From: PaulGraham at po-box.esu.edu (Paul Graham) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:31:57 2007 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting - East Stroudsburg University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <22034BC3D084B547AE9112A97CECB44C026D81C7@tigger.admin.esu.edu> INSTRUCTIONAL TECHNOLOGIES AND REFERENCE LIBRARIAN TENURE TRACK FACULTY EAST STROUDSBURG UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA KEMP LIBRARY Kemp Library invites applications for a tenure-track position beginning Fall, 2007. Positions typically fill at the Assistant Professor rank. Full consideration will be given to applications received by March 30, 2007. Send a letter of application, resume, transcripts, and the names, addresses, and phone numbers of three references, including e-mail addresses, if available, to the attention of Professor Kay Lavelle, Search Chair, Kemp Library, Position #04529, East Stroudsburg University, P.O. Box 447, East Stroudsburg, PA 18301. Instructional Technologies and Reference Librarian (Position #04529): Requirements: Master's of Library Science or equivalent degree from an ALA accredited program; a minimum of three years experience in academic libraries with a minimum of two years current demonstrated reference and library information technologies experience; knowledge of information literacy theories and instructional design principles; teaching experience in library instruction programs; demonstrated and solid expertise in web design and web site maintenance; thorough knowledge of HTML, standard web page making tools and practices; demonstrated proficiency in standard PC applications; ability to learn and implement new technologies; experience with web-based instructional technologies; excellent oral and written communication skills; ability to work in a collaborative environment with strong commitment to public service; ability to meet the responsibilities and requirements of a tenure appointment. Preferred: An advanced degree in instructional technology or related field; demonstrated knowledge of technical languages, such as SHTML, DHTML, PHP, Java Script, XML, CSS, ASP, PERL, CGI, or C++; knowledge of database applications, such as SQL or Access; knowledge of software, such as Dreamweaver or Adobe Photoshop; experience with electronic delivery of library resources and instruction for distance education. Applicants who demonstrate a commitment to teaching, scholarship, and experience working with diverse populations are preferred. Final determination will be based upon a successful interview, which will include a brief teaching demonstration using instructional technologies. A full position description appears at "http://www3.esu.edu/hr/positions/faculty.asp" All candidates must provide proof of eligibility to work in the United States and official transcripts at time of employment. Candidates with interest in areas of diversity studies are encouraged to apply. To learn more about diversity at ESU and in our community, visit our website at www3.esu.edu/diversity/home.asp. Located in the scenic Pocono Mountains within ninety minutes of New York City and two hours of Philadelphia, East Stroudsburg University is one of fourteen universities in the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education. Founded in 1893, with a current enrollment of 7,000, the University has a rich academic tradition and continues to build on its sense of history with new undergraduate and graduate degree programs and the construction of a new Science and Technology Center. Offering more than 60 undergraduate degree programs and graduate degrees in 20 areas, the University is experiencing increasing enrollments and is poised for continued growth. The University is adjacent to the unspoiled Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area, in a community that offers options for suburban, small city, or country living. Minorities, Women, Persons with Disabilities, and Veterans are encouraged to apply at East Stroudsburg University where there is an intrinsic moral and legal commitment to AA/EEO.Visit our homepage at www.esu.edu Paul Graham Cataloger/Associate Prof. Kemp Library East Stroudsburg University East Stroudsburg, PA 18301 570-422-3797