From talia679.31931317 at bloglines.com Sun Oct 1 00:34:50 2006 From: talia679.31931317 at bloglines.com (talia679.31931317@bloglines.com) Date: Sun Oct 1 00:34:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians Message-ID: <1159677290.1096984443.32096.sendItem@bloglines.com> I haven't read the other responses yet so I won't recommend any other conferences yet - but if I could attend one a year it would be Internet Librarian. I love Computers in Libraries, but I found that I learned more at Internet Librarian last year. Thanks Nicole Engard http://web2learning.net --- Jonathan Bloy" first time (which I thought was very worthwhile). > > I am aware of Internet Librarian, and the Libraries and Info Technology > Assn. annual conference. Are there any other big conferences (in North > America) for us web librarian types? > > If you could go to one conference every year, which would it be? > > -- > Jonathan Bloy > Web Services Librarian > Edgewood College > Madison, Wisconsin > http://library.edgewood.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From talia679.31931317 at bloglines.com Sun Oct 1 00:41:02 2006 From: talia679.31931317 at bloglines.com (talia679.31931317@bloglines.com) Date: Sun Oct 1 00:41:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians Message-ID: <1159677662.1633821046.6450.sendItem@bloglines.com> I haven't attended thihs - but there is code4lib: http://www.code4lib.org/conference/ There is also a neat database of conferences at: http://www.hitchhikr.com/ Enjoy! Thanks Nicole Engard http://web2learning.net --- Jonathan Bloy" first time (which I thought was very worthwhile). > > I am aware of Internet Librarian, and the Libraries and Info Technology > Assn. annual conference. Are there any other big conferences (in North > America) for us web librarian types? > > If you could go to one conference every year, which would it be? > > -- > Jonathan Bloy > Web Services Librarian > Edgewood College > Madison, Wisconsin > http://library.edgewood.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From d.c.pattern at hud.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 04:00:22 2006 From: d.c.pattern at hud.ac.uk (David Pattern) Date: Sun Oct 1 04:04:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 References: <20060930160010.18AAA189AEE@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4E59C1CBDC583443BEA0A71BF18EB52701354B88@marge.AD.HUD.AC.UK> > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me what the conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 is, > please. I need to write a little conversion program. Anything in PHP, > for example. > > Thanks a lot. > David Kane Hi David John Blyberg has done a PHP port of a Perl conversion script: http://www.blyberg.net/2006/04/05/php-port-of-isbn-1013-tool/ regards Dave Pattern University of Huddersfield This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. From pfs at umich.edu Sun Oct 1 14:23:22 2006 From: pfs at umich.edu (Paul F. Schaffner) Date: Sun Oct 1 14:23:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: References: <451E4C040200007800018B70@gwstaff.wit.ie> Message-ID: Patricial Anderson wrote: > To go from 13 to 10 is easy -- the isbn-10 is the last 10 digits of the > isbn-13. No it's not. As long as we are still within the 978- range of ISBN-13s, the first nine digits of the ISBN-10 and the penultimate nine digits of the ISBN 13 should match, but the final digit (the check digit) will normally *not* be the same. Below are some crude perl scripts I wrote to convert lists of ISBN-10s to ISBN-13 and 978-prefixed ISBN-13s to ISBN-10. My apologies for the crudity of the perl--it was just for fun, in the interests of understanding (and making some marginal improvements in my perl skills). However, their very verbosity may make the basics of the conversion clear. pfs --------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Schaffner | pfs@umich.edu | http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfs/ Digital Library Production Service, University of Michigan Libraries -------------------------------------------------------------------- # ----beginning of script --- # FILENAME make_isbn13.pl # Input is text file containing ISBN-10s, one ISBN per line. # Output is text file containing hash of ISBN-10s paired with equivalent # ISBN-13s. # Sample usage: C:\perl make_isbn13.pl ISBN10s.txt > ISBN13s.txt # Will fail silently on ISBNs that do not contain 10 digits. # Does not attempt to check if the ISBN10s are valid otherwise. # More elaborate and elegant code can be found in the Mana Systems perl # module: # http://www.manasystems.co.uk/isbnpm.html # --pfs while (<>) { s,-,,g; s, +,,g; s,$,pfs,g; s,x,X,g; while (s,([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9X])pfs,,g) { $a = $1 * 3; $b = $2; $c = $3 * 3; $d = $4; $e = $5 * 3; $f = $6; $g = $7 * 3; $h = $8; $i = $9 * 3; $check = 38 + $a + $b + $c + $d + $e + $f + $g + $h + $i; $check %= 10; $check = 10 - $check; if ($check == 10) { $check = 0 }; print ("\n$1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$10, 978$1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$check"); } } # ---end of script---- ------------------------------------------ # ----beginning of script --- # FILENAME make_isbn10.pl # Input is text file containing ISBN-13s, one ISBN per line. # Output is text file containing hash of (978-prefixed) ISBN-13s paired # with equivalent ISBN-10s. # Sample usage: C:\perl make_isbn10.pl ISBN13s.txt > ISBN10s.txt # Will fail silently on ISBNs that do not contain 13 digits or do not # begin with 978-. # Does not attempt to check if the ISBN13s are valid otherwise. # More elaborate and elegant code can be found in the Mana Systems perl # module: # http://www.manasystems.co.uk/isbnpm.html # --pfs while (<>) { s,-,,g; s, +,,g; s,$,pfs,g; while (s,978([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])([0-9])pfs,,g) { $a = $1; $b = $2 * 2; $c = $3 * 3; $d = $4 * 4; $e = $5 * 5; $f = $6 * 6; $g = $7 * 7; $h = $8 * 8; $i = $9 * 9; $check = $a + $b + $c + $d + $e + $f + $g + $h + $i; $check %= 11; if ($check == 10) { $check = X }; print ("\n978$1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$10, $1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$check"); } } # ---end of script---- From rcmason at rsproductions.net Sun Oct 1 14:41:42 2006 From: rcmason at rsproductions.net (Rick Mason) Date: Sun Oct 1 14:41:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: References: <451E4C040200007800018B70@gwstaff.wit.ie> Message-ID: <45200BE6.3050304@rsproductions.net> Rick Mason also wrote something similar... Thanks for correcting my (our) error! Rick Paul F. Schaffner wrote: > Patricial Anderson wrote: > >> To go from 13 to 10 is easy -- the isbn-10 is the last 10 digits of >> the isbn-13. > > No it's not. As long as we are still within the 978- range of ISBN-13s, > the first nine digits of the ISBN-10 and the penultimate nine > digits of the ISBN 13 should match, but the final digit (the check > digit) will normally *not* be the same. > > Below are some crude perl scripts I wrote to convert lists of ISBN-10s to > ISBN-13 and 978-prefixed ISBN-13s to ISBN-10. My apologies for the > crudity of the perl--it was just for fun, in the interests of > understanding (and making some marginal improvements in my perl skills). > However, their very verbosity may make the basics of the conversion > clear. > pfs > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Schaffner | pfs@umich.edu | http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfs/ > Digital Library Production Service, University of Michigan Libraries > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz Mon Oct 2 00:06:03 2006 From: Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz (Sutherland, Paul) Date: Mon Oct 2 00:06:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] EBSCOhost Connection Message-ID: <7420E1B97D2E0645A2E76A7770E8FEC107967C2A@CCOEXCV01.ccity.biz> Has anyone got a search that returns a result with EBSCOhost connections in the list - or a URL that generates one The illustrations at http://support.epnet.com/uploads/kb/ehost_connection_help_sheet_copy1.do c dont work I would like to see how this works - especially in a non-US context... thanks Paul ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz ********************************************************************** From DKANE at wit.ie Mon Oct 2 07:32:16 2006 From: DKANE at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Mon Oct 2 07:32:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] III XML Server (Was ISBN 10->13 conv.) In-Reply-To: <451E4C040200007800018B70@gwstaff.wit.ie> References: <451E4C040200007800018B70@gwstaff.wit.ie> Message-ID: <452106D0.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> Hi again, Thanks for the script, Paul. Gave it a quick test, however I'll go for John Blyberg's PHP, thanks to Tim and Dave for that link. I notice from Blyberg's page that there are good resources for connecting to III's XML Server. It looks as if III are liberating our data, at last. Exciting stuff, but what price freedom, I wonder? Does anyone here use III's XML Server? If so, why did you get it and what do you use it for? Best, >>> "David Kane" 30/09/2006 10:50 >>> Hi, Can anyone tell me what the conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 is, please. I need to write a little conversion program. Anything in PHP, for example. Thanks a lot. David Kane Waterford Institute of Technology http://library.wit.ie/ T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ David Kane WIT Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ ++353.51302838 From tedk at exlibris-usa.com Mon Oct 2 08:39:38 2006 From: tedk at exlibris-usa.com (Ted Koppel) Date: Mon Oct 2 08:39:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 Message-ID: <4CD9091CBC96234480C3A9570BCB729C3787BD@us-ex01> Patricia Anderson, pfa@umich.edu wrote: > To go from 13 to 10 is easy -- the isbn-10 is the last 10 digits of the isbn-13. Going the other direction, I haven't >>>figured out yet (not that I've tried hard). Actually, that's not so. You need to recalculate the check digit. So take the last 10 digits, drop the tenth, and recalculate the new check digit to replace it. The check digit algorithm is in the (old) ISBN standards document and various places online. Ted -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Patricia F Anderson Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:27 AM To: David Kane Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 There is already an online converter: They offer the service to convert large stacks. "Need a large list of ISBNs converted? Enquire about obtaining your converted list." To go from 13 to 10 is easy -- the isbn-10 is the last 10 digits of thte isbn-13. Going the other direction, I haven't figured out yet (not that I've tried hard). -- Patricia Anderson, pfa@umich.edu -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Oct 2 08:51:13 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Oct 2 08:51:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C231C@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Why do a conversion? It does not make sense to me. All that is necessary is that our information systems recognize and work with the 13 digit ISBN. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 2 08:57:45 2006 From: gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu (gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu) Date: Mon Oct 2 08:57:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C231C@system14.csntprod.morrisvill e.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C231C@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <4829.68.192.253.171.1159793865.squirrel@webmail.rci.rutgers.edu> Everyone, This is my question also. I am also wondering, if a conversion is required, whether this is something that bibliographic utilities might provide. It would be to OCLC's benefit, as well as ours, to convert ISBNs. We will be undergoing a reconciliation of our RLG database with our OCLC database, as part of the merger between the two entities, and it would be terrific if OCLC could just solve this issue and replace our ISBNs at time of reconcilation. Is anyone from OCLC on this list who can respond to this about OCLC's plans for ISBN conversion. Perhaps this is in the works and I just don't know about it. Thanks! Grace Agnew > Why do a conversion? It does not make sense to me. All that is > necessary is that our information systems recognize and work with the 13 > digit ISBN. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From Melora.Norman at maine.gov Mon Oct 2 09:03:37 2006 From: Melora.Norman at maine.gov (Norman, Melora) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:03:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <4829.68.192.253.171.1159793865.squirrel@webmail.rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <3233E4190E74E84CB8BB502705B83EFF0182C1F3@SOM-TEAQASMAIL1.som.w2k.state.me.us> http://www.oclc.org/news/announcements/announcement96.htm Melora Ranney Norman, outreach coordinator Maine State Library LMA Cultural Bldg., SHS 64 Augusta, ME 04333 melora.norman@maine.gov (207) 287-5653 www.maine.gov/msl/outreach You CAN get there from here . . . @your library(tm) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:58 AM To: Drew, Bill Cc: Paul F. Schaffner; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 Everyone, This is my question also. I am also wondering, if a conversion is required, whether this is something that bibliographic utilities might provide. It would be to OCLC's benefit, as well as ours, to convert ISBNs. We will be undergoing a reconciliation of our RLG database with our OCLC database, as part of the merger between the two entities, and it would be terrific if OCLC could just solve this issue and replace our ISBNs at time of reconcilation. Is anyone from OCLC on this list who can respond to this about OCLC's plans for ISBN conversion. Perhaps this is in the works and I just don't know about it. Thanks! Grace Agnew > Why do a conversion? It does not make sense to me. All that is > necessary is that our information systems recognize and work with the 13 > digit ISBN. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Mon Oct 2 09:15:09 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:15:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C231C@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C231C@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <23b83f160610020615h18aa43d3o3f4b8347178adc2d@mail.gmail.com> So, great, everybody has to upgrade? On 10/2/06, Drew, Bill wrote: > Why do a conversion? It does not make sense to me. All that is > necessary is that our information systems recognize and work with the 13 > digit ISBN. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Oct 2 09:23:13 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:23:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> This still doesn't make sense to me. Since ISBNs are assigned by the publishers to books, why would there be any conversion of 10 digit numbers to 13 digits? The books are already published. Why not just assign 13 digit numbers after a certain date and leave it at that? Why convert 10 to 13 digit? Can't systems simply handle both? All of this probably sounds very naive on my part. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From rochkind at jhu.edu Mon Oct 2 10:18:41 2006 From: rochkind at jhu.edu (Jonathan Rochkind) Date: Mon Oct 2 10:18:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <45211FC1.2020300@jhu.edu> Frequently Asked Questions about changes to the ISBN: http://www.lac-bac.gc.ca/iso/tc46sc9/isbn.htm Jonathan Drew, Bill wrote: > This still doesn't make sense to me. Since ISBNs are assigned by the > publishers to books, why would there be any conversion of 10 digit > numbers to 13 digits? The books are already published. Why not just > assign 13 digit numbers after a certain date and leave it at that? Why > convert 10 to 13 digit? Can't systems simply handle both? All of this > probably sounds very naive on my part. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- Jonathan Rochkind, MLIS Sr. Programmer/Analyst The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind@jhu.edu From pfs at umich.edu Mon Oct 2 11:04:59 2006 From: pfs at umich.edu (Paul F. Schaffner) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:05:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <45211FC1.2020300@jhu.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> <45211FC1.2020300@jhu.edu> Message-ID: >> This still doesn't make sense to me. Since ISBNs are assigned by the >> publishers to books, why would there be any conversion of 10 digit >> numbers to 13 digits? The books are already published. Why not just >> assign 13 digit numbers after a certain date and leave it at that? As I understand it, many books have been and will continue to be assigned both 10s and 13s (and many more have been assigned 10s and "bookland EANs," which are the same as 13s), so every system has to assume that any book with an ISBN may also have an ISBN alias. >> Why convert 10 to 13 digit? Can't systems simply handle both? Systems should indeed handle both. In particular, they should be able to retrieve the appropriate record even if the record contains only the 10 and the query contains a 13, or vice versa. This is obviously especially important for automated batch processes, such as 'enhancement' (links to dust-jacket images, etc., via ISBN), or record overlay, or many acquisition processes. I think most people using commercial systems will not need to do anything: the systems will be upgraded to support on-the-fly transparent query filtering and smart matching. But some people build their own systems, or are stuck with obsolete or unsupported systems, and they will have to find a way to achieve the same results, e.g. by doing batch conversions on the records (to make sure that every record with a 10 also contains a 13, and every record with a 978- 13 also contains a 10), or by building their own query-converter, or some combination of these. (All of this is slightly complicated by OCLC's practice this past year of putting 13s in the 024/3 field rather than in the 020: to retrieve the records that you've downloaded from OCLC this year and added to your system, either your LMS will have to know to look in both 020 and 024/3 for an ISBN search, or you'll have to change your records (to add a 13-digit 020), or again the query will need to be filtered on the fly.) pfs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Schaffner | pfs@umich.edu | htpp://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfs/ Head of e-text production, Univ.of Michigan Digital Library Prod. Svc. Head of tech services, Jackson (Michigan) Community College Library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tim at librarything.com Mon Oct 2 11:54:49 2006 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:54:59 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> <45211FC1.2020300@jhu.edu> Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0610020854r1d9777b5p7403c2c19088b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Minor point: Bookland EANs are the same as ISBN 13s now, which is why you can convert in both directions without problem now. But this won't always be so. Once they start using 979 numbers, conversion won't make sense. You can do it mathematically, however, so I'm guessing a lot of valid but nonsensical ISBNs end up here and there on the web. Someone should offer single and batch converstion as a free API, not an online form and an offer to have a "representive" call you for larger jobs. Does anyone want that, or shall I? From burk at unb.ca Mon Oct 2 11:55:37 2006 From: burk at unb.ca (Alan Burk) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:55:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Reminder: Canadian Symposium on Text Analysis starts Oct. 11 Message-ID: <01c901c6e63b$34247020$1e70ca83@burkthinkpad> CaSTA 2006: A reminder that the 2006 Canadian Symposium on Text Analysis (CaSTA 2006) starts Wednesday, Oct. 11, 2006, with the following workshops: Phonetic Analysis of Texts: How to See What You Hear Using Perl to Make Text Transformation Easier Testing Usability and the User Experience No More HTML: Using Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) to present XML for the Web A post-conference workshop on Sunday, Oct. 15 entitled Using XTeXT to develop search and retrieval web applications might also be of interest. Register today for what is sure to be a very interesting international symposium. We hope to see you at CaSTA 2006. Regards, Brad Nickerson and Alan Burk Conference Organizing Committee, Co-Chairs **** CaSTA 2006 registration available announcement **** Registration is now available for the upcoming CaSTA 2006 conference at: www.lib.unb.ca/casta2006 CaSTA 2006 is the 5th in a series of CaSTA conferences, focusing on text analysis. This year's conference will bring together Computer Scientists and Humanities Computing researchers to share their work on the central issues driving current scholarly research on the linguistic, visual, and aural manifestations of text. Fees are: Regular Registration (Early/Late): $125/$150 Student Registration (Early/Late): $ 65/$ 75 Conference Workshops: $55 for 1/2 day /$85 Full day The above rates include all taxes. Late fees will apply after September 15, 2006. CaSTA 2006 is taking place from October 11 to October 15, 2006 in the beautiful Riverfront Capital of Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. There is an exciting program planned with five internationally known and highly regarded keynote speakers: William Y. Arms, Computer Science, Cornell University; Willard McCarty, Reader in Humanities Computing, King's College, London, UK; Johanna Drucker, Robertson Professor of Media Studies, University of Virginia; Ian Munro, Professor of Computer Science and Canada Research Chair in Algorithm Design, University of Waterloo; and Peter Shillingsburg, Professor of English, De Montfort University, UK. A series of interesting pre and post-conference workshops, presentations based on peer reviewed papers and posters, and a provocative panel discussion "Humanities Computing Science?", focusing on research of common interest to humanists, computer and information scientists are all part of the program. A promotional poster for printing and posting is available at: http://www.lib.unb.ca/casta2006/relatedlinks.php We look forward to welcoming attendees to CaSTA 2006! **** End of CaSTA 2006 registration available announcement **** From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 12:37:06 2006 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Oct 2 12:37:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] III XML Server (Was ISBN 10->13 conv.) In-Reply-To: <452106D0.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> References: <451E4C040200007800018B70@gwstaff.wit.ie> <452106D0.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> Message-ID: David, The III XML Server is the beginning of them giving access to data but it is far from complete and has various other issues. I'm hopeful they will improve it while working on their upcoming Encore product. I'm also hopeful they will roll it into the main product or make it cheaper, but I'm more doubtful in this area. As for uses there are endless possibilities once you have decent access to your data. Some are using it to create an SRU interface to the INNOPAC which can then be included in non-III metasearch products. Blyberg is using it for quite a few things on his Drupal powered site, though not as much as he could have (poor documentation). There are also export possibilities and things like AIM bots, etc. Here's some links to examples: http://wiki.lib.muohio.edu/xmlopac/index.php/XMLOPAC_Applications You'll also find some documentation on that site that myself and some others have compiled. It's sad we had to go this route with the lack of official documentation. You can also find some posts I've made on my blog that might help you. http://blog.ryaneby.com/archives/category/xml-server/ Unfortunately I haven't had time to create any example uses myself. Ryan Eby Michigan State University On 10/2/06, David Kane wrote: > Hi again, > > Thanks for the script, Paul. Gave it a quick test, however I'll go for > John Blyberg's PHP, thanks to Tim and Dave for that link. > > I notice from Blyberg's page that there are good resources for > connecting to III's XML Server. > It looks as if III are liberating our data, at last. Exciting stuff, > but what price freedom, I wonder? > > Does anyone here use III's XML Server? If so, why did you get it and > what do you use it for? > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Oct 2 12:51:40 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Oct 2 12:51:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] linking to del.icio.us from Webopac Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C2466@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I have added javascript to our web opac to allow the user to create del.icio.us links to the search results page, full record, and holdings display in our ALEPH 500 catalog. I would like to extend the functionality to include a dynamic link that would tell how many people are linked to that page via del.icio.us and also someway of displaying the actual tags used for that page. Does any one know how to do this using javascripts? The catalog is at: http://seneca.sunyconnect.suny.edu:4600/F Here are two links I created: http://del.icio.us/babyboomerlibrarian/Morrisville_Libraries_Internet http://del.icio.us/babyboomerlibrarian/Morrisville_Libraries_LIS Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From johnston at virginia.edu Mon Oct 2 13:44:59 2006 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:45:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Scanning Forum 2006 Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20061002134454.03801308@virginia.edu> Please excuse cross-posting. ********** Want to learn more about digitizing, scanning, and imaging? Join us on November 6-7 for a day and half conference with colleagues and vendors doing just that, all in beautiful Charlottesville, Virginia. The Scanning Forum 2006 conference web site and registration available: http://www.lib.virginia.edu/scanningforum/index.html This year's theme: Balancing Quality, Automation, and Service? Come listen to a keynote breakfast talk on "Moving Libraries from Books to Bytes," by Dr. Lotfi Belkhir, CEO of Kirtas Technologies, Inc. Listen and discuss with colleagues the current and emerging technology and workflow for scanning and imaging at a range of services: Interlibrary Loan and Document Delivery, Rare Materials and Special Collection scanning, Alternate Text Production, Digital Library production, and Electronic Reserves. We encourage attendees to be active participants; from registration (we ask you a few questions about what you are current challenges and plans for the next year), to sessions that encourage questions and answers, and to lunch and other sessions with interest groups. The conference will be held in the Doubletree Hotel Charlottesville, very near the Charlottesville airport (CHO), and you can easily visit nearby sites: University of Virginia, Monticello, etc. We hope to see you November 6-7, 2006. ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu From cbisson at plymouth.edu Mon Oct 2 13:54:12 2006 From: cbisson at plymouth.edu (Casey Bisson) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:54:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: <63d3c8ce0610020854r1d9777b5p7403c2c19088b0d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C233D@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> <45211FC1.2020300@jhu.edu> <63d3c8ce0610020854r1d9777b5p7403c2c19088b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54C8FDBF-3D24-4F67-A7B8-8763EB12CFB7@plymouth.edu> http://api.wpopac.net/v1/isbn1013/0811822842 Same usage as xISBN and thingISBN. Returns empty result with invalid ISBNs. Based on Blyberg's code, incorporates some changes, may not be accurate. Poke at it, break it. Report findings, but don't blame me if it returns incorrect results (I will try to fix the code/service, though). --Casey On Oct 2, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Tim Spalding wrote: > Someone should offer single and batch converstion as a free API, not > an online form and an offer to have a "representive" call you for > larger jobs. > > Does anyone want that, or shall I? From Terry.Huttenlock at wheaton.edu Mon Oct 2 14:12:06 2006 From: Terry.Huttenlock at wheaton.edu (Terry Huttenlock) Date: Mon Oct 2 14:24:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Computer Operations Specialist Message-ID: <45211026020000F10003C66E@gwsmtp.wheaton.edu> Computer Operations Specialist Wheaton College (IL), is accepting applications from candidates for the position of Computer Operations Specialist in the Systems and Technological Services Department of Buswell Library. Under the direction of the Head of Systems and Technological Services, the Computer Operations Specialist will be responsible for system management, upgrades, and enhancements to the library server environment. This person will also be an essential part of a team that develops and enhances the computing environment. The Systems Department is responsible for library web services, library staff computing, a variety of networked support applications, and student computing in the library commons and in various labs on campus. A qualified candidate will have a BA or equivalent, experience in network operating systems administration, and Linux or Unix experience. Wheaton College is an evangelical Christian liberal arts college whose faculty and staff affirm a statement of faith and adhere to lifestyle expectations. The College complies with federal and state guidelines for nondiscrimination in employment. Women and minority applicants are encouraged to apply. Interested applicants should visit our web site at www.wheaton.edu/hr to review the job description and obtain an application which needs to be completed and submitted to the Director of Human Resources, Wheaton College, Wheaton, Illinois, 60187. Terry Huttenlock Assistant Professor Head of Systems and Technological Services Buswell Library Wheaton College Wheaton, IL 60187 (630) 752-5352 From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Mon Oct 2 18:10:16 2006 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Mon Oct 2 18:10:00 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians In-Reply-To: <1159677290.1096984443.32096.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E08497353@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> I heard Internet Librarian is a good one. I also heard good things about ACCESS (http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/) I usually go to Computers in Libraries and LITA National Forum. ASIS&T (http://asis.org/Conferences/AM06/index.html) might be interesting as well. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Web Services 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of > talia679.31931317@bloglines.com > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:35 AM > To: JBloy@edgewood.edu; web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians > > > I haven't read the other responses yet so I won't recommend any other conferences > yet - but if I could attend one a year it would be Internet Librarian. I > love Computers in Libraries, but I found that I learned more at Internet Librarian > last year. > > Thanks > Nicole Engard > http://web2learning.net > > > --- Jonathan Bloy" Last spring I attended the Computers in Libraries conference for the > > first time (which I thought was very worthwhile). > > > > I am aware of Internet Librarian, and the Libraries and Info Technology > > Assn. annual conference. Are there any other big conferences (in North > > America) for us web librarian types? > > > > If you could go to one conference every year, which would it be? > > > > -- > > Jonathan Bloy > > Web Services Librarian > > Edgewood College > > Madison, Wisconsin > > http://library.edgewood.edu > From donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca Tue Oct 3 06:40:24 2006 From: donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca (donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca) Date: Tue Oct 3 06:40:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Last call for Access 2006 Hackfest projects! Message-ID: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308A81BA3@exchange8.nlc-bnc.ca> ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** This is a last call for project submissions for the Access 2006 conference Hackfest! Submit your favourite "wish-we-had" idea to the pool of projects that Access 2006 hackers will work on during the Hackfest and Ad-Hockfest sessions, to be held in parallel October 11 in Ottawa, Canada. We will consider all submissions, from a slick do-everything application to the little workhorse utility that you know will make your life in the trenches easier ... as long as your proposal will fit into one day of work. You do not have to be a programmer to describe what you would like to have; and you do not have to attend Hackfest or Ad-Hockfest to submit an idea. The primary criterion: your idea should have something to do with libraries. Send us your ideas, and see what the Access conference hackers can create! To submit a project idea, go to the Hackfest page http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=13 and click on the "Suggest a Project Idea" link. For those who cannot attend Access this year: watch the conference website http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca for Planet Access blog reports during the conference, and for Hackfest results following the conference. On behalf of the Hackfest Coordinating Team, Donna Dinberg donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca and Dan Chudnov dchud@umich.edu From d.c.pattern at hud.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 11:27:08 2006 From: d.c.pattern at hud.ac.uk (David Pattern) Date: Tue Oct 3 11:38:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 Message-ID: <4E59C1CBDC583443BEA0A71BF18EB5270109B122@marge.AD.HUD.AC.UK> Hi folks Here's my contribution, which is deliberately different from Casey's: http://wwwlibrarycat.hud.ac.uk/withnail.html Rather than being an API, the idea is that you can either paste a list of ISBNs into the box or upload a file of ISBNs, and then receive a file which has the 10 digit ISBNs converted to 13 digit ones. By default, only valid 10 digit ISBNs (i.e. ones with valid checksums) will be converted and the rest will be untouched. If you want to convert anything that remotely resembles a 10 digit ISBN (regardless of checksum), then you'll need to tick the "don't validate" checkbox before you submit. If all goes when, then whatever formatting you've used will be retained in the output. The file upload will attempt to process whatever you upload (inc. binary files), but you're probably better off uploading plain text files. If you really really want to, you can try converting your favourite images to ISBN 13! The script uses the following modules, so you can blame them if anything gets misconverted: http://www.manasystems.co.uk/isbnpm.html http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/dist/Business-ISBN Have fun, and please send any problems & suggestions to d.c.pattern@hud.ac.uk regards Dave Pattern Library Systems Manager Computing & Library Services University of Huddersfield p.s. the script is running on a test server, so there's no uptime guarantee p.p.s. I christened the script "Withnail" just to remind me to watch the DVD this weekend :-) This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. From kathryn.labarre at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 12:15:06 2006 From: kathryn.labarre at gmail.com (Kathryn La Barre) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:15:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] North American Symposium on Knowledge Organization (NASKO) - Call for participation and position papers Message-ID: <607966b10610030915j5d5f00f2w1d9fe040843b7d2a@mail.gmail.com> With apologies for cross-posting Call for Participation and Call for Position Papers Two events in one place! An organizing conference for the North American Chapter of ISKO, and a paper session on the state of the art of Knowledge Organization research. Call for Participation: KO, Classification Systems, and Controlled Vocabularies Adjust to New Technologies and Service Areas-- What are YOU Doing? An Information Exchange Opportunity and Organizational Meeting for the North American Chapter of the International Society for Knowledge Organization (ISKO) The time is ripe for enhanced communication among Knowledge Organization researchers in North America. We are a diverse, yet committed, set of researchers interested in asking basic and applied questions on how knowledge is organized and how such organization can be improved through research. As ISKO members we are also are interested in forming a North American chapter in order to attain critical mass for KO researchers to share research findings, mentor students and maintain continuous conversations across the large landmass of North America. What are your needs as a Knowledge Organization researcher? What can a North American chapter do for your research program? Your participation in planning for a North American chapter will serve to enrich the research infrastructure in Knowledge Organization. Call for Position Papers: "Knowledge Organization Research in North America: What have we done, what are we doing, and where do we go from here?" North American thinkers have commented on a number of changes and innovations in Knowledge Organization research. Beghtol, Mai, Smiraglia, and Svenonius have all noted a shift in knowledge organization research strategies and focus in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. The task of laying the groundwork for future work is imminent. Valuable approaches demonstrated by current research are many and include but are not limited to: - contextual and ecological inquiry, - comparative approaches to classification, - establishing theories of instantiation and works, - looking at the history and discourse of organization structures in order to inform current theory and practice. What then are the next steps? What are the salient questions? Some possibilities include: - Will social tagging and ontology engineering have impact on knowledge organization, or vice versa? - Will the economics and institutional application of information organization structures change in the next ten years? - Will Library of Congress cataloguing at current levels cease entirely? - Will the Library and Archives Canada merge archival and library work into metadata work? - How will large-scale implementations and issues of economics affect knowledge organization research? - What role can legacy Knowledge Organization systems and strategy play in the theoretical and practical development of current and future information realities? - Finally, what epistemological innovations and insights will shape the next stages of Knowledge Organization research? - Will the Pragmatists forever influence Knowledge Organization? - Will there be another Wittgenstein? - Will there be another Ranganathan? - What is the impact of Rorty on our work? - Who will be the next public intellectual from our area? Research Papers: Proposals should include a title, and be no more than 1500 words long. Proposals situated in the extant literature of knowledge organization will be given preference. Proposals may be submitted in English or French. Position Papers: Proposals should include a title, and be no more than 1500 words long. Proposals with clearly articulated theoretical grounding and methodology, and those that report on completed or ongoing research will be given preference. Diverse perspectives and methodologies are welcome. Proposals may be submitted in English or French. Publication: All accepted papers will appear online. The most highly-ranked papers will, with permission of the authors, be published, in full, in a North American theme issue of Knowledge Organization. Doctoral students are especially invited to submit proposals for the conference. Deadline for proposals is January 31, 2007. Proposals, including the name(s) of the author(s), complete mailing and e-mail addresses, telephone and fax numbers, should be sent electronically (Word or RTF) to Kathryn LaBarre: klabarre@uiuc.edu. Proposals will be refereed by the Program Committee. Authors will be notified of the committee's decision no later than February 28, 2007. All presenters must register for the conference. Papers to appear as full text in the electronic proceedings must be submitted no later than May 14, 2007. Updates and conference information may be found at the conference website: http://www.slais.ubc.ca/users/iskona . Program Committee: Richard Smiraglia, Long Island University, Chair Clement Arsenault, University of Montreal Clare Beghtol, University of Toronto Allyson Carlyle, University of Washington Pauline Atherton Cochrane, University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign Anita Coleman, University of Arizona Jonathan Furner, University of California, Los Angeles Rebecca Green, University of Maryland, College Park Kathryn La Barre, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Joseph T. Tennis, University of British Columbia Hope Olson, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Nancy Williamson, University of Toronto Planning Committee: Richard Smiraglia, Long Island University, Chair Kathryn La Barre, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Nancy Williamson, University of Toronto Joseph T. Tennis, University of British Columbia Richard P. Smiraglia, Professor Editor-in-Chief, Knowledge Organization Palmer School of Library and Information Science Long Island University 720 Northern Blvd. Brookville NY 11548 USA (516) 299-2174 voice (516) 299-4168 fax Richard.Smiraglia@liu.edu From tezuka at dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Tue Oct 3 12:33:12 2006 From: tezuka at dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Taro Tezuka) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:33:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for Participation: ICADL2006 The 9th International Conference on Asian Digital Libraries in Kyoto, Japan Message-ID: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> **** FYI. Apologies for cross postings **** Call For Participation The 9th International Conference on Asian Digital Libraries (ICADL 2006) November 27-30, 2006, Kyoto, Japan The International Conference on Asian Digital Libraries (ICADL) is an annual Asian event of international participation focusing on digital libraries and related technologies. Inaugurated in Hong Kong in 1998, ICADL has since been hosted in Taipei, Seoul, Bangalore, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai, and Bangkok. The 9th ICADL (ICADL2006) will be held in Kyoto, Japan in the late November. It will provide an international forum for sharing experiences and up-to-date technologies among researchers, developers, educators, practitioners and policy makers from a variety of disciplines. ICADL2006, as well as the previous ICADL conferences, focuses on the use, adoption and adaptation of digital libraries, which include work surrounding digital libraries and related technologies, the management of knowledge in digital libraries, and the associated usability and social issues. This year, we will have the following invited talks. (in the order of presentation). The Age of Content and Knowledge Processing Makoto Nagao (National Institute of Information and Communications Technology, Japan) Cyber Science Infrastructure and Scholarly Information for the Promotion of e-Science in Japan Jun Adachi (National Institute of Informatics, Japan) Working Together in Developing Library and Information Science Education in the Asia Pacific Schubert Foo (Nanyang Technological University, Singapore) (To be announced) Daniel Clancy (Google, USA) One Billion Children and Digital Libraries: With your help, what the $100 laptop and its sunlight readable display might enable Mary Lou Jepson (MIT, USA) Dr. Nagao is one of the most famous information science researchers in Japan, who is also well-known for his contributions to digital libraries. Professor Adachi is one of the leading researchers of digital library systems. His talk will be on promoting e-Science using digital libraries. Professor Foo is a leading researcher of digital library systems in Singapore. He will talk about library and information science education in the Asia-Pacific region. Singapore is well known for their advanced education on information science. Dr. Clancy is the engineer director who is in charge of Google Book Search Project (originally known as Google Print), which is attracting much attention recently. Dr. Jepson is one of the leading members of the $100 laptop project, which aims to provide inexpensive but effective laptop computers for children's education. She will talk about the architecture that enables children to read books through their laptops. For more information, please see the conference website at http://www.icadl2006.org/ Early registration is available on or before October 27th. The final deadline for registraion is 18:00 of November 13, 2006, Japan Standard Time (GMT+9). Kyoto, which is globally known as the historical city and the heart of Japan, will welcome you to ICADL2006 in a very beautiful autumn. We look forward to seeing you at this invaluable occasion. Taro Tezuka Publicity Co-chair of ICADL2006 (Assistant Professor, Graduate School of Informatics, Kyoto University) From gilbertj at cliu.org Tue Oct 3 13:56:40 2006 From: gilbertj at cliu.org (James M. Gilbert) Date: Tue Oct 3 13:52:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Hi All, In the near future we will be looking at transitioning to Flat-LCD monitors (we currently have CRTs). I've seen a number of products that advertise the ability to make a screen "private" by preventing it from being viewed from angles other than directly on. While I see how the big clunky plastic "hoods" work; I am interested in hearing about other's experiences with the films that advertise privacy. Can patrons at adjacent machines see their neighbors? Which products work? Which do not work? I've noted a wide array of films and prices. Thank you, James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 13:58:37 2006 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Oct 3 13:58:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> References: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Message-ID: I have a 3M privacy filter, probably the one advertised the most. It is quite effective. It works pretty much as indicated in the funny ad on TV where two guys on an airplane are snooping on the guy in the middle. Unless you are looking pretty straight on, you can't read the screen. The only downside is that it also lowers brightness of the screen somewhat, no matter how directly you look at the screen. /rich PS -- there must be a PATRIOT or CALEA quip somewhere in this... On 10/3/06, James M. Gilbert wrote: > > Hi All, > > In the near future we will be looking at transitioning to Flat-LCD > monitors > (we currently have CRTs). > > I've seen a number of products that advertise the ability to make a screen > "private" by preventing it from being viewed from angles other than > directly > on. > > While I see how the big clunky plastic "hoods" work; I am interested in > hearing about other's experiences with the films that advertise privacy. > > Can patrons at adjacent machines see their neighbors? Which products work? > Which do not work? I've noted a wide array of films and prices. > > Thank you, > > > James M. Gilbert > Systems Librarian > Whitehall Township Public Library > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From michele.haytko at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 14:03:58 2006 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:04:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> References: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Message-ID: <15e475fa0610031103l4fb81cafn74a183b212ad36f3@mail.gmail.com> I would like to know the answers too! Thanks for posting such a great question! Michele On 03/10/06, James M. Gilbert wrote: > Hi All, > > In the near future we will be looking at transitioning to Flat-LCD monitors > (we currently have CRTs). > > I've seen a number of products that advertise the ability to make a screen > "private" by preventing it from being viewed from angles other than directly > on. > > While I see how the big clunky plastic "hoods" work; I am interested in > hearing about other's experiences with the films that advertise privacy. > > Can patrons at adjacent machines see their neighbors? Which products work? > Which do not work? I've noted a wide array of films and prices. > > Thank you, > > > James M. Gilbert > Systems Librarian > Whitehall Township Public Library > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From lscritch at cochisecold.lib.az.us Tue Oct 3 14:18:44 2006 From: lscritch at cochisecold.lib.az.us (Larry Scritchfield) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:18:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor In-Reply-To: References: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Message-ID: <4522A984.4060904@cochisecold.lib.az.us> Richard Wiggins wrote: > I have a 3M privacy filter, probably the one advertised the most. It is > quite effective. It works pretty much as indicated in the funny ad on TV > where two guys on an airplane are snooping on the guy in the middle. > Unless > you are looking pretty straight on, you can't read the screen. > > The only downside is that it also lowers brightness of the screen somewhat, > no matter how directly you look at the screen. > > /rich At the risk of carrying on an off-topic post... I haven't seen the ad, but there is another downside. The farther back you stand from someone's screen, the wider the "cone of visibility." Someone sitting next to a user can't see the screen, but someone across the room may be able to discern flesh tones :-) -- Larry Scritchfield Systems Librarian Cochise County Library District From PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org Tue Oct 3 14:40:07 2006 From: PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org (Phillip Whitford) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:40:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <016201c6e715$48f60510$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Message-ID: We use privacy filters for LCDs and CRTs from 3M and Fellowes on some staff computers. They work well for blocking the view from most angles other than head on. As Richard Wiggins noted they do lower the overall brightness of the screen and some users have complained about that. They are somewhat fragile and a couple have been damaged by careless handling or improper cleaning. Depending on the monitor model they will sometimes cover the monitor's power and adjustment buttons. Usually it is no big deal to tilt the filter up a bit to get to the buttons but how they attach to the monitor is important. Some use sticky pads or plastic clamps or clips which make adjustments harder and moving the filter to another monitor difficult. We like the kind with adjustable L shaped rubber padded brackets best. Filters that fit both CRTs and LCDs are available and can save you some money when you upgrade monitors. Some models are rated as being anti-radiation and/or anti-static and they often cost a few bucks more. Personally I don't think those features are worth the extra cost but some staff appreciate the anti-radiation feature. In my opinion the filters are a bit pricey for what they are but where we use them nothing else will really do the job. Phillip B. Whitford Manager Information Technology Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my organization. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of James M. Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:57 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Privacy Film for LCD monitor Hi All, In the near future we will be looking at transitioning to Flat-LCD monitors (we currently have CRTs). I've seen a number of products that advertise the ability to make a screen "private" by preventing it from being viewed from angles other than directly on. While I see how the big clunky plastic "hoods" work; I am interested in hearing about other's experiences with the films that advertise privacy. Can patrons at adjacent machines see their neighbors? Which products work? Which do not work? I've noted a wide array of films and prices. Thank you, James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From libdgg at langate.gsu.edu Tue Oct 3 15:04:54 2006 From: libdgg at langate.gsu.edu (Douglas Goans) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:05:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Survey - Cyberinfrastructure in Libraries In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C2466@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51019C2466@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <45227C15.0B33.000D.0@langate.gsu.edu> Hello. Please excuse any cross posting of this message. We are gathering data for our presentation at this year's LITA National Forum. Our presentation is "Putting all the Pieces Together: Building a Cyberinfrastructure at the Georgia State University Library". We invite you to participate in our survey regarding the technologies and web services you are using in your library. The survey will be open until Tuesday October 17, 2006. Here is the link to the online survey: http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB225Q6XGVCNH Thank you. Doug Goans, Web Development Librarian, Georgia State University Library, dgoans@gsu.edu Tim Daniels, Learning Commons Coordinator, Georgia State University Library, timdaniels@gsu.edu Doug Goans Web Development Librarian Georgia State University Library 100 Decatur St. Atlanta. GA 30303 Tel: (404) 651-0981 Fax: (404) 651-4315 From kristinoskh at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 17:55:44 2006 From: kristinoskh at gmail.com (Kristin Hlynsdottir) Date: Tue Oct 3 17:55:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians In-Reply-To: <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E08497353@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> References: <1159677290.1096984443.32096.sendItem@bloglines.com> <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E08497353@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <41e4c31a0610031455la5aa327v17890e1aa2636ed6@mail.gmail.com> Hi there I've been to Online Information in London the past two years and really enjoyed it http://www.online-information.co.uk/ Cheers Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir, Adjunct LIS Department Faculty of Social Science University of Iceland (also Web Manager at The Land Registry of Iceland) 2006/10/2, Junus, Ranti : > > I heard Internet Librarian is a good one. > I also heard good things about ACCESS (http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/) > I usually go to Computers in Libraries and LITA National Forum. > > ASIS&T (http://asis.org/Conferences/AM06/index.html) might be interesting > as well. > > > ranti. > > -- > Ranti Junus - Web Services > 100 Main Library W441 > Michigan State University > East Lansing, MI 48824, USA > +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 > +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of > > talia679.31931317@bloglines.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:35 AM > > To: JBloy@edgewood.edu; web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians > > > > > > I haven't read the other responses yet so I won't recommend any other > conferences > > yet - but if I could attend one a year it would be Internet > Librarian. I > > love Computers in Libraries, but I found that I learned more at Internet > Librarian > > last year. > > > > Thanks > > Nicole Engard > > http://web2learning.net > > > > > > --- Jonathan Bloy" > Last spring I attended the Computers in Libraries conference for the > > > first time (which I thought was very worthwhile). > > > > > > I am aware of Internet Librarian, and the Libraries and Info > Technology > > > Assn. annual conference. Are there any other big conferences (in > North > > > America) for us web librarian types? > > > > > > If you could go to one conference every year, which would it be? > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Bloy > > > Web Services Librarian > > > Edgewood College > > > Madison, Wisconsin > > > http://library.edgewood.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- ---------------------------------------- Krist?n ?sk Hlynsd?ttir kristinoskh@gmail.com From lbell927 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 4 09:08:08 2006 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed Oct 4 09:08:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Alliance Second Life Library/Info island grand opening - you are invited Message-ID: <20061004130809.74788.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Alliance Library System and Second Life Library/Info Island Pleased to Announce Official Opening The Alliance Library System and the Second Life Library/Info Island collaborative group of librarians are pleased to announce the grand opening and a host of activities planned for Second Life residents scheduled October 12-14, 2007. All events will be held in Second Life and are free to residents. ?We have been working on this project with partners from around the world for six months,? stated Kitty Pope , Executive Director of the Alliance Library System. ?We are grateful to all the librarians and others who have put in huge amounts of time to make this happen and we are pleased with the reception the library has received in Second Life.? Gonzo Mandelbrot, Coordinator of Grand Opening Activities said, ?We have a variety of activities, events and tours that people can pick and choose from or they may attend everything. The goal is to highlight all the different aspects of the library and Info Island and all that is available there.? A detailed schedule of events is provided below. If attendees have questions about specific locations, come to Info Island . We will have tour guides there who can show people to the event location. Thursday, October 12 ? Virtual Worlds and Education: The Cutting Edge ? 4 pm sl ? 6 pm sl ? Speakers: Pathfinder Linden, Kitty Paul, Puglet Dancer, Professor Boliveau, Lorelei Junot and Maxito Ricardo ? Puglet Dancer and Kitty Paul will cut the ribbon to begin grand opening ceremonies at Info Island open air auditorium (Info Island 143, 82, 34) Friday, October 13 - Virtual Worlds and Alternate Realities ? Where Do Libraries Fit In? ? 7:30 a.m. sl ? 1:30 pm. sl ? A variety of wonderful speakers with keynote by Pathfinder Linden - Info Island open air auditorium(Info Island 143, 82, 34) The url for voice/audio is the OPAL Auditorium at http://67.19.231.218/v4/login.asp?r=67955673&p=0 Type your name, click enter to go into the room. Minimize this and maximize Second Life. You should be able to hear the audio through your pc. If you do not have audio capabilities we will provide text chat. Friday, October 13 ? 5:00-6:00 p.m. sl ? Scary Movies at Second Life Pantheon Picture House ( Info Island II, 98,71,24) 6:00-8:00 p.m. sl ? Costume Ball at Info Island Mystery Manor ? prizes for best costumes! ( Info Island , 214, 163,33) Saturday October 14 ? 8:00 a.m. sl ? Opening of Caledon Branch ? 19th century library (Caledon Tamrannoch (211,31,22) 9:30 a.m. sl ? Grand Opening of Second Life Library Medical Library ? special events ( Info Island 165, 204, 33) ? Bioterrorism demonstration Speakers: Moriz Gupta and Sojourner Truth 12:00 p.m. sl ? Second Ribbon Cutting and special speaker ? Info island Open Air Auditorium ( Info Island 143, 82, 34) ? Katt Kongo, editor, Metaverse Messenger 3:00 p.m. sl ? Talis SciFi & Fantasy Portal Opening ? special events ( Info Island 29, 62, 33) 5:00 ? 8:00 p.m. sl ? TX950 Beach party and celebration ? dancing refreshments, fun ( Info Island 85, 33, 23) Throughout the day ? Tours , scavenger hunts, information kiosks ? come and have fun! For further information, please contact Gonzo Mandelbrot or Lorelei Junot. Lori Bell Director of Innovation Alliance Library System 600 High Point Lane East Peoria, IL 61611 (309)694-9200 ext. 2128 lbell@alliancelibrarysystem.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. From pfs at umich.edu Wed Oct 4 10:07:32 2006 From: pfs at umich.edu (Paul F. Schaffner) Date: Wed Oct 4 10:07:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conversion between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Spam wrote: > Is anyone from OCLC on this list who can respond to this about OCLC's > plans for ISBN conversion. Perhaps this is in the works and I just > don't know about it. OCLC promises both a one-time conversion of ISBN10 to ISBN13 (adding a 13 for every 10 in the record, if it does not already have one), and an ongoing automatic creation of ISBN13s when a record with a 10 but no 13 is added, updated or replaced. See http://www.oclc.org/support/documentation/worldcat/tb/253/ pfs -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Schaffner | pfs@umich.edu | http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfs/ University of Michigan Digital Library Production Service -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Jason-Griffey at utc.edu Wed Oct 4 14:45:55 2006 From: Jason-Griffey at utc.edu (Jason Griffey) Date: Wed Oct 4 14:45:59 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians In-Reply-To: <41e4c31a0610031455la5aa327v17890e1aa2636ed6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Of course, there's LITA Forum: http://www.ala.org/ala/lita/litaevents/litanationalforum2006nashvilletn/2006forum.htm Jason Jason Griffey Assistant Professor Reference & Instructional Technology Librarian University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Avenue, Chattanooga, TN 37403 jason-griffey@utc.edu :: (423) 425-5449 This correspondence should be considered a public record and subject to public inspection pursuant to the Tennessee Public Records Act -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kristin Hlynsdottir Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:56 PM To: Junus, Ranti Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians Hi there I've been to Online Information in London the past two years and really enjoyed it http://www.online-information.co.uk/ Cheers Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir, Adjunct LIS Department Faculty of Social Science University of Iceland (also Web Manager at The Land Registry of Iceland) 2006/10/2, Junus, Ranti : > > I heard Internet Librarian is a good one. > I also heard good things about ACCESS (http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/) > I usually go to Computers in Libraries and LITA National Forum. > > ASIS&T (http://asis.org/Conferences/AM06/index.html) might be interesting > as well. > > > ranti. > > -- > Ranti Junus - Web Services > 100 Main Library W441 > Michigan State University > East Lansing, MI 48824, USA > +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 > +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of > > talia679.31931317@bloglines.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:35 AM > > To: JBloy@edgewood.edu; web4lib@webjunction.org > > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians > > > > > > I haven't read the other responses yet so I won't recommend any other > conferences > > yet - but if I could attend one a year it would be Internet > Librarian. I > > love Computers in Libraries, but I found that I learned more at Internet > Librarian > > last year. > > > > Thanks > > Nicole Engard > > http://web2learning.net > > > > > > --- Jonathan Bloy" > Last spring I attended the Computers in Libraries conference for the > > > first time (which I thought was very worthwhile). > > > > > > I am aware of Internet Librarian, and the Libraries and Info > Technology > > > Assn. annual conference. Are there any other big conferences (in > North > > > America) for us web librarian types? > > > > > > If you could go to one conference every year, which would it be? > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Bloy > > > Web Services Librarian > > > Edgewood College > > > Madison, Wisconsin > > > http://library.edgewood.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- ---------------------------------------- Krist?n ?sk Hlynsd?ttir kristinoskh@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca Wed Oct 4 15:08:18 2006 From: Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca (Marian Dworaczek) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:08:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians References: Message-ID: <01fa01c6e7e8$73aa3000$6c53e980@usask.ca> I have a 9-page listing of Library-Related Conference, meetings, etc. (covering October 2006-June 2012, updated systematically). Many are appropriate for web librarians. Will send a copy (as an attachment) to anybody who will request it. Marian Dworaczek Univ. of Saskatchewan Library marian.dworaczek@usask.ca From tapinformation at yahoo.com Wed Oct 4 15:15:16 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:15:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: OPAL Online Program: Meet the Millennials: Risk Takers and Rule Makers Message-ID: <20061004191516.23038.qmail@web82113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friday October 6, 2006 beginning at 4:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 3:00 Central, 2:00 Mountain, 1:00 Pacific, and 8:00 p.m. GMT: Meet the Millennials: Risk Takers and Rule Makers Like the generations before them, millennials are defined by their experiences. They grew up with video games, cell phones, the Internet, and online communities. Know teens and college students, learn how they use the Internet, and what library services can meet their needs. Presented by millennial Jami Schwarzwalder. Sponsor: TAP Information Services Location: OPAL Auditorium For links into the online room as well as complete schedule of upcoming OPAL online events, please visit http://www.opal-online.org There is no need to register for this event. Tom Peters, OPAL Coordinator TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com Skype: tapeters4466 Gizmo: TomPeters4466 TAP Information Services helps libraries and library-related organizations innovate. From jaf30 at cornell.edu Thu Oct 5 06:53:05 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Thu Oct 5 06:53:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians In-Reply-To: <01fa01c6e7e8$73aa3000$6c53e980@usask.ca> References: <01fa01c6e7e8$73aa3000$6c53e980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20061005064833.01e48698@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, Marian Dworaczek wrote: >I have a 9-page listing of Library-Related Conference, meetings, >etc. (covering October 2006-June 2012, updated >systematically). Many are appropriate for web librarians. Will >send a copy (as an attachment) to anybody who will request it. I'd like a copy. I am one of the developers on a Notification System being developed (open source) that can be used for sending general notification messages (as email, a text message, or xhtml fragment for a web site) and one of the use cases will be integrating with an event management system. The listing could be good test data for the system and I could even transform it into a couple of different calendar formats. >Marian Dworaczek >Univ. of Saskatchewan Library >marian.dworaczek@usask.ca >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY From k7v339 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 10:34:14 2006 From: k7v339 at yahoo.com (hon hon) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:34:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Library Portals In-Reply-To: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20061005143414.70983.qmail@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, I am wondering if some folks can share your thoughts on developing library portals. As you know, academic library websites are keep losing users. A lot of our users are turning away for google and other internet resources whenever they do research. It happens a lot with our faculty and students. Some of the academic departments are even developing their own website to collect e-resources for their students and faculty for research. My library thinks that it might be a good idea to develop portals for these academic departments based upon the resources we have. Are you facing the same kind of satuiation as we do? Do you think that developing protals is the right direction? Are the faculty and students happy with the portals? Would you mind to show me the portals you did? Many thanks if you can shed some light on it. -HB --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Thu Oct 5 10:44:41 2006 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:44:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Library Portals In-Reply-To: <20061005143414.70983.qmail@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061004013310.36B1.TEZUKA@dl.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> <20061005143414.70983.qmail@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4524D4090200001300815315@swnw124.swmed.edu> What about developing solutions that enable other academic departments to utilize Library resources without forcing them to use yet another portal? For instance, use feeds of resources based on topics or even something like a del.icio.us for the specific department? These can then be fed into their own portals, thus keeping the Library at the center of "collection management". Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-8946 http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ >>> hon hon 10/5/2006 9:34:14 AM >>> Hi Guys, I am wondering if some folks can share your thoughts on developing library portals. As you know, academic library websites are keep losing users. A lot of our users are turning away for google and other internet resources whenever they do research. It happens a lot with our faculty and students. Some of the academic departments are even developing their own website to collect e-resources for their students and faculty for research. My library thinks that it might be a good idea to develop portals for these academic departments based upon the resources we have. Are you facing the same kind of satuiation as we do? Do you think that developing protals is the right direction? Are the faculty and students happy with the portals? Would you mind to show me the portals you did? Many thanks if you can shed some light on it. -HB --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Oct 5 11:22:00 2006 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Thu Oct 5 11:22:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Library Portals Message-ID: <200610051022.AA773587024@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> When you speak of a portal, how does that differ from a "subject guide"? just asking... >Hi Guys, > > I am wondering if some folks can share your thoughts on developing library portals. > As you know, academic library websites are keep losing users. A lot of our users are turning away for google and other internet resources whenever they do research. It happens a lot with our faculty and students. Some of the academic departments are even developing their own website to collect e-resources for their students and faculty for research. My library thinks that it might be a good idea to develop portals for these academic departments based upon the resources we have. > > Are you facing the same kind of satuiation as we do? Do you think that developing protals is the right direction? Are the faculty and students happy with the portals? Would you mind to show me the portals you did? > > Many thanks if you can shed some light on it. > > -HB > > >--------------------------------- >How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jorgeserrano at gmail.com Thu Oct 5 12:36:24 2006 From: jorgeserrano at gmail.com (Jorge Serrano Cobos) Date: Thu Oct 5 12:36:30 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] browsing and searching (not versus) in Opacs Message-ID: <668dcc760610050936m62057ee1w92c92cf82290f175@mail.gmail.com> Hi people: Here is my question: do you know good examples of succesfull webpacs, opacs, using both browsing and searching? I know for instance: http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/catalog/browse.html http://ebooks.nypl.org/1B77F48D-F3B6-47DB-9435-CC96EF232D89/10/206/en/Default.htm http://www.worldcat.org/ Ok, the last ones are not showing browsing from the very first moment, but are examples. The underneath question is: have these Opacs (or other you know) improved their performance after using/adding browsing facilities to the interface? My argument is that I?ve tried this on other kind of websites (on topics such as tourism and sales) and works very well. We have seen more visits / pages (more, really really more) for an item when browsing is enhanced, and at the same time, less searches on any kind of keywords related to that item. Users browse in first place many times, depending on how is prepared the interface, and if they don?t see what they want, then use searching. But I never could try this (or examine statistics for myself) on libraries Opac, and I don?t understand why Opac software relies so much on just searching, being in the "realm of the classifications", when having almost no context (no free text, only a few metadata), Opac search is many times so awful, compared with something like Google, which is being helped by context (full text, synonyms, stemming... ) and links, for example. And if that Opac or library portal were using "interest centres" (that is the correct english expression, isn?t it? -sorry for my english- categories like "horror", "adventures", "sci-fi", instead of having books by author if Dewey or UDC) on the browsing categories, would be a even better example. I know about some successful stories about libraries using interest centres on physical libraries, numbers growing on books being more borrowed, unearthing them from the long tail, and would be great to know about digital libraries or library portals using them and having more visits. If not, I encourage everybody to experiment that way. Having balanced how we display it all, could be a better way to improve performance, don?t you think so? Anyway, thank you in advance for your comments, -- Jorge Serrano Cobos Content Department http//www.masmedios.com Thinkepi Group Member http://www.thinkepi.net Web personal: http://trucosdegoogle.blogspot.com From andersoj at oclc.org Thu Oct 5 13:07:56 2006 From: andersoj at oclc.org (Anderson,Joe) Date: Thu Oct 5 13:08:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WebJunction design refresh: what we're learning Message-ID: <43A64269615E8E49AF3044B8E68068BC527C99@OAEXCH2SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Hi folks, WebJunction is in the midst of a design refresh project, and there are several aspects of it that may be of interest to this list. - We have been conducting a virtual card sort over the past several weeks--with more than 220 responses, this has been a fantastic way to think through our content set with our constituents (details are here http://blog.webjunctionworks.org/?p=277 and results are here: http://blog.webjunctionworks.org/?p=284). This process has resulted in us feeling very confident and connected with users about the changes we need to make to our content structure. - We are fortunate to be able to work with an excellent web design partner, ForumOne Communications. While this approach is not for everyone, from a site design perspective it has been incredibly helpful to have a third party involved to move the process forward and keep all of our (many!) cats well herded. We realize our situation is not a typical library web site situation, but perhaps there is a helpful best practice in there somewhere. - Finally, since there are, we hope, many present and future WebJunction users on this list, we'd love to get any thoughts you have about our design priorities, which are posted on BlogJunction (http://blog.webjunctionworks.org/?p=282) and reproduced below. You can mail us directly at content@webjunction.org, or comment on the blog post. WJ Design Refresh Priorities and Strategy 1. Enhance the usability of WebJunction.org * Update site taxonomy (based on the card sort, of course!) * Update graphical presentation * Address audience issues (that is: we address a number of distinct but overlapping audiences: we need to create audience-specific entry pages and simplify the user experience for everyone) * Improve discovery (how could we be an OCLC project and not "improve discovery" ;-) ?) What ForumOne specifically recommends is: (1) Adding a facility for "key resources" (2) Increased usage of "related resources" (3) Better prominence and access to search functionality. 2. Better align the site with WJ's mission * More effectively feature eLearning and community content on the home page. * Highlight key partners (state library associations and others) on the home page. * Improve traffic by enhanced synergy with the WJ newsletter. 3. Maintain and enhance the sense of community at WJ * Homepage message: make it clearer who we are and what we do. * Homepage interactivity: feature more dynamic and interactive content. * Liveliness and attitude: emphasize the spirit of the community, including interactivity, creativity and whimsy. Thanks, Joe Anderson Content Manager, WebJunction.org From noreplies2meplease at hotmail.com Thu Oct 5 14:38:21 2006 From: noreplies2meplease at hotmail.com (WCLS Employee) Date: Thu Oct 5 14:38:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Internet Services Librarian, Reno, NV Message-ID: The Internet Services Librarian serves as the Virtual branch library manager. The Virtual branch includes management of the WCLS website and all its contents, HIP library catalog, staff toolkit and premium databases. The Internet Librarian is responsible for overseeing policy and technical aspects of public Internet access. Attending regular meetings of branch managers, various internal service teams and ad-hoc committees is required. Annual salary: $53,872 - $70,033 See full description, requirements, and application information at: http://www.washoecounty.us/humanresources/careers/jobs.htm (Listed as "Librarian II") _________________________________________________________________ Search—Your way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG From dan_cornwall at eed.state.ak.us Thu Oct 5 19:36:09 2006 From: dan_cornwall at eed.state.ak.us (Daniel Cornwall) Date: Thu Oct 5 19:35:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Come work at the Alaska State Library! Apply by 10/20/2006 Message-ID: <015601c6e8d7$09243ba0$48bf3f92@10146305LIBJ> Hi All, I'm hoping this job posting will be somewhat relevant to web4lib because whoever is hired will be working electronic government information and likely doing training by distance (bridgIt, OPAL, etc) to Alaska state agency employees. - Daniel Librarian I The Alaska State Library is looking for an outgoing individual to work with our team of librarians on an active program of services and outreach to State of Alaska employees. The successful applicant will be the primary liaison for the Departments of Education and Early Development, Environmental Conservation, Fish & Game and Natural Resources. Additionally the position provides up to 10 hours each week of public desk work. About a quarter of this position's time is dedicated to supervising a 15% federal documents depository program. The Alaska State Library is a recognized leader in the acquisition and management of digital government information and is a participant in the GPO LOCKSS DOCS pilot project. Alaska has seven Federal Depository Libraries and the successful applicant will be encouraged to explore new avenues to work with them to provide Alaskans better access to federal government information. The Alaska State Library is located in downtown Juneau and is a member of the Capital City Libraries consortium. For more information on the Division of Libraries, Archives and Museums and our mission, please review the following web site: For full job listing, please see Workplace Alaska at http://workplace.alaska.gov/ and look for the Librarian I in Juneau. ============================================ Daniel Cornwall Government Publications/Technical Services Librarian Alaska State Library PO Box 110571 Juneau, AK 99811-0571 (907) 465-2927 ph (907) 465-2665 fax E-Mail: dan_cornwall@eed.state.ak.us Learn about the Alaska State Publications Program, a system that works to make state information available to Alaskans now and in the 22nd Century.See our web page at . Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are mine alone and not those of my employer unless explicitly stated. From mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu Fri Oct 6 10:16:08 2006 From: mjean.williamsadams at famu.edu (M. Jean Williams-Adams) Date: Fri Oct 6 10:08:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians References: <01fa01c6e7e8$73aa3000$6c53e980@usask.ca> <6.2.3.4.2.20061005064833.01e48698@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <723175C2360BAE44A77F135E68A9E84901AD55E3@its-exch2k3be1.FAMU.EDU> I would like a copy of your listings. ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of John Fereira Sent: Thu 10/5/2006 6:53 AM To: Marian Dworaczek; web4lib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Conferences for web librarians At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, Marian Dworaczek wrote: >I have a 9-page listing of Library-Related Conference, meetings, >etc. (covering October 2006-June 2012, updated >systematically). Many are appropriate for web librarians. Will >send a copy (as an attachment) to anybody who will request it. I'd like a copy. I am one of the developers on a Notification System being developed (open source) that can be used for sending general notification messages (as email, a text message, or xhtml fragment for a web site) and one of the use cases will be integrating with an event management system. The listing could be good test data for the system and I could even transform it into a couple of different calendar formats. >Marian Dworaczek >Univ. of Saskatchewan Library >marian.dworaczek@usask.ca >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lbell927 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 10:23:01 2006 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Fri Oct 6 10:23:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] PLCMC partners with Alliance Library system to open cultural/creative space in virtual world Message-ID: <20061006142301.65989.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> PLCMC partners with Alliance Library system to open cultural/creative space in virtual world Charlotte, NC - Oct. 6, 2006 - The Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County (PLCMC) and the Alliance Library System are pleased to announce a partnership to collaborate on the "Eye4You Alliance," an island in Teen Second Life that will offer virtual library services to teens. Teen Second Life is a 3-D, international gathering place on the Internet where teens 13-17 can make friends, play, learn and create. Teens create a digital version of themselves, called an avatar, that they use to travel around the "virtual world," meet new people and participate in a variety of activities. The goal of "Eye4You Alliance" is to create an interactive and informative space for young adults within the Teen Second Life virtual world and to collaborate with other educators who serve youth and are already present in Teen Second Life and in real life. "At a time when many libraries are offering collaborative spaces through social tools, a 3-D immersive environment is the next logical step to libraries remaining relevant to teenagers," said Helene Blowers, director of Information Technology at PLCMC. "This project is an opportunity to engage teens in services and activities that will excite them in a place they already are." The project hopes to build teen developmental assets, encourage collaboration and promote active learning that will prepare teens for future learning. PLCMC and Alliance Library System leaders believe this environment has significant learning potential by being a Web interface that can challenge teen users to figure things out for themselves. "We see this as an important service our libraries can collaborate on, and we are proud to team up with the library in Charlotte," said Kitty Pope, executive director of the Alliance Library System in Peoria, Ill. "We are excited to be offering new outreach programs, events and services to teens who might not otherwise come to the library." Both library systems will provide the leadership and expertise in extending their outstanding real-life programs and services to the virtual world. Founded in 1903 as a Carnegie Free Library, PLCMC has become one of the premiere libraries in the country with 24 locations, 1.6 million volumes, and 28,000 videos, DVDs and CDs. The library sponsors a variety of community-based programs - from computer- and Internet-education workshops to the award-winning Novello Festival of Reading, a celebration that accentuates the fun of reading and learning. As a public library, we are dedicated to our mission of expanding minds, empowering individuals and enriching our community. Alliance Library System is one of the most innovative regional library systems in North America and is the lead agency on the Second Life Library project on Info Island in the adult version of Second Life. It is located in East Peoria, Illinois with 253 library members of all types. Alliance offers continuing education, consulting, resource sharing, and delivery service to members For more information, contact Teen Second Life Project Leaders Matt Gullett, mgullett@plcmc.org or Kelly Czarnecki, kczarnecki@plcmc.org Lori Bell Director of Innovation Alliance Library System 600 High Point Lane East Peoria, IL 61611 (309)694-9200 ext. 2128 lbell@alliancelibrarysystem.com --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 11:08:42 2006 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Fri Oct 6 11:08:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Book sales get a lift from Google scan plan Message-ID: <20061006150842.20865.qmail@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Book sales get a lift from Google scan plan", By Jeffrey Goldfarb... "FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Publishers are starting to report an uptick in sales from Google Inc.'s online program that lets readers peek inside books, two years after the launch of its controversial plan to digitally scan everything in print." Full text: http://tinyurl.com/p6u8q Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From bseiler at hwwilson.com Fri Oct 6 12:23:06 2006 From: bseiler at hwwilson.com (Seiler, Bernie) Date: Fri Oct 6 12:23:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limited Seating Available for the NFAIS Forum on the Current Status and Future Trends of Online Usage Statistics. Message-ID: Hello All, Some may be interested in information about the upcoming NFAIS Forum on Current Status and Future Trends of Online Usage Stats, outlined below: --- Limited seating is available for the NFAIS one-day meeting, Online Usage Statistics: Current Status and Future Directions, to be held on Friday, October 27, 2006 at PALINET Headquarters, in Philadelphia, PA, from 9:00am to 4:30pm. Usage statistics are a key metric for publishers and librarians alike! Do you need an overview or update on Project COUNTER? Do you want to learn more about the new initiative, SUSHI, and its relationship with Project COUNTER? Do you understand why and how publishers are becoming COUNTER compliant or are working to implement SUSHI? Are you up-to-date on the library perspective with regard to the utility of the data offered by theses two standards? How publishers and librarians collect and leverage the data? What software is available? Whether you are new to this field and want to quickly come up-to-speed or an experienced information professional who wants to remain up-to-date on the rapidly evolving field of usage statistics, this meeting is for you. Come and learn join your peers for an enjoyable and fact-filled day that will provide information essential to your organization, and provide you with an opportunity for networking within the Information Community. The final program, registration form, directions to the meeting location, list of nearby hotels and general information on Philadelphia is available at: Register soon, as seating is limited. NFAIS members pay $245 and non-members pay $295 (registration fee includes continental breakfast, lunch and breaks). For more information contact: Jill O'Neill, NFAIS Director, Communication and Planning, 215-893-1561 (phone); 215-893-1564 (fax); mail to: . Founded in 1958, NFAIS is a premier membership organization of more than 50 of the world's leading producers of databases, information services, and information technology in the sciences, engineering, social sciences, business, and the arts and humanities. --- Bernie Seiler Chairman, NFAIS Best Practices/Usage Statistics Committee From mgfarkas at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 13:53:38 2006 From: mgfarkas at gmail.com (Meredith Farkas) Date: Mon Oct 9 13:53:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for Participants: Five Weeks to a Social Library Message-ID: We are pleased to present Five Weeks to a Social Library ( http://www.sociallibraries.com/course/), the first free, grassroots, completely online course devoted to teaching librarians about social software and how to use it in their libraries. The course was developed to provide a free, comprehensive, and social online learning opportunity for librarians who do not otherwise have access to conferences or continuing education and who would benefit greatly from learning about social software. The course will be taught using a variety of social software tools so that the participants acquire experience using the tools while they are taking part in the class. The course will make use of synchronous online communication, with one or two weekly Webcasts and many IM or Skype chat sessions made available to students each week. By the end of the course, each student will develop a proposal for implementing a specific social software tool in their library. Five Weeks to a Social Library will take place between February 12 and March 17, 2007 and will be limited to forty participants. However, course content will be freely viewable to interested parties and all live Webcasts will be archived for later viewing. We are currently accepting applications for participants in the course. The application process is designed to ensure that the course will benefit those librarians who have the most to gain from learning about social software and who would not otherwise have access to conferences or continuing education. If you are interested in learning how to use and implement social software tools at your library, please consider applying for the course. The course will cover the following topics: * Blogs * RSS * Wikis * Social Networking Software and SecondLife * Flickr * Social Bookmarking Software * Selling Social Software @ Your Library If you are interested in becoming a participant in the course, please visit the Application for Participants http://www.sociallibraries.com/course/application. For a preliminary listing of some of the social software experts who will be presenting during the course, please visit the Preliminary Program http://www.sociallibraries.com/course/prelimprogram. For more about the organizers of the course, please visit the About Us page http://www.sociallibraries.com/course/aboutus. -- Meredith Gorran Farkas http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/ From bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com Tue Oct 10 08:57:39 2006 From: bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com (Bonnie Tijerina) Date: Tue Oct 10 08:57:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Reminder: Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007 -- Proposals due November 1, 2006 Message-ID: Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007 thinkdigital_ February 22-24, 2007 Global Learning and Conference Center Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/call *********************************************** The ER&L Conference Program Planning Committee encourages you to submit a proposal for the Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007 Conference to be held February 22-24, 2007, with pre-conference sessions on February 21. The deadline for proposal submission is November 1, 2006. We seek proposals for a variety of session formats including presentations, panel sessions, and pre-conference workshops. They will be evaluated as they are received, and priority may be given to those who submit early. Proposals that have topics of interest to many areas of the library or outside the library are of special interest to the ER&L Program Planning Committee. All Call for Proposal information, including the proposal form, may be found at: http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/call. Questions about the Call for Proposals in general should be directed to Elizabeth Winter (elizabeth.winter@library.gatech.edu) or Bonnie Tijerina (bonnie.tijerina@library.gatech.edu). Questions about pre-conferences in particular should be directed to Joan Conger (joan@joanconger.net). ER&L provides a forum for information professionals to explore ideas, trends, and technologies related to electronic resources and digital services. Complete details about the conference are online at http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/. Conference registration will open on November 1. -- Bonnie Tijerina Electronic Resources Coordinator, Collection Development Georgia Institute of Technology Library and Information Center Atlanta, GA 30332-0900 404-385-2044 AIM: bltijerina bonnie.tijerina@library.gatech.edu From a.kakau at iu-bremen.de Tue Oct 10 12:43:57 2006 From: a.kakau at iu-bremen.de (Kakau) Date: Tue Oct 10 12:44:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Web 2.0 / Library 2.0 Developer in Bremen, Germany Message-ID: <96085D441CA8434EBBE935977A7A02F504948C67@admin02.iuhb01.iu-bremen.de> This posting can be viewed at http://www.iu-bremen.de/about/jobs/10496 Please send any inquiries to the contact person in the posting. The Information Resource Center (IRC) at International University Bremen (IUB) invites applications for a full-time position for a Web 2.0 / Library 2.0 Developer International University Bremen (IUB) is a private, independent university offering degrees in engineering, natural sciences, humanities and social sciences at bachelor's, master's and doctoral levels. Founded in 1999, the university now has over 1000 students from over 80 different countries. Core values of the university are excellence, internationality, transdisciplinarity, interactivity and independence. The mission of the Information Resources and Multimedia department is to offer facilities and services in support of teaching, learning and research that meet the high ambitions of IUB. Under a new leadership, a new strategy has been developed that addresses innovations in both the real and the virtual environment. The recently built Campus Center will become the preferred place for students and faculty to meet, work and learn. Digital library and multimedia services will be developed that are closely integrated with learning, teaching and research processes. Tasks ? Together with the systems librarian, innovate search and retrieve experiences for users. ? Developing and maintaining the system for the IUB institutional repository. ? Integration of library and multimedia systems with other major campus systems, providing services closely linked to teaching, learning and research. ? Promote and support the use of tools for collaborative work such as blogs and wikis by students and faculty. ? Contribute to the development of the overall IUB website and the library portal in particular. ? Function as a backup for the systems librarian. Background, training and skills ? Higher education in computer and / or information science. ? 2 - 3 years work experience in a complex and innovative environment. ? Versatile with UNIX and PC operating systems. Proven programming skills in a number of scripting and programming languages like Perl, Python, Ruby. Expertise in web technology: LAMP, XML, CSS, template engines. Basic knowledge of LDAP, portal technology, and identity management. ? Ability to work under pressure and keep deadlines in a multicultural, demanding environment. ? Geek and team player, wild about web 2.0, willing to learn and share. ? Fluency in English, proficiency in German is an asset. Please send your application, preferably by e-mail and no later than 1 November 2006, to: Hans Roes, Director Information Resources and Multimedia International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561 Phone: + 49 421 200 4610 28725 Bremen Email: monfort@iu-bremen.de Germany -- Anja Kakau Systems Librarian Information Resource Center International University Bremen, Germany Phone: +49 (0)421 200 4615 Fax: +49 (0)421 200 49 4615 Email: a.kakau@iu-bremen.de From yarmando at oplin.org Tue Oct 10 17:07:31 2006 From: yarmando at oplin.org (Don Yarman) Date: Tue Oct 10 17:07:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Research database descriptions Message-ID: <2e61424e0610101407g3bbd01c5v260dfe6e7730f072@mail.gmail.com> This summer, I followed a link from this list to a college library website. I liked how this library handled the descriptions of research databases. Next to the name of the database was a small link that said "+more" which, when clicked, would expose the description of what the resource contained and why you'd want to use it. (And then there would be a link that said "-less" to make the description go away). This may have been in the context of a discussion about whether to do this sort of thing with CSS. I thought it was ingenious. I intended to explore using this method when the time came to redesign our page. And now I have lost the link. If you know what I'm talking about, please email me. I think this method sucks somewhat less than most others I've seen. Your most humble and obedient servant, Don Yarman yarmando@oplin.org | AIM: yarmando From Jane.Foo at senecac.on.ca Tue Oct 10 18:17:17 2006 From: Jane.Foo at senecac.on.ca (Jane Foo) Date: Tue Oct 10 18:17:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Web & Digital Services Librarian, Seneca College Message-ID: <452C1BED.7090903@senecac.on.ca> Seneca Libraries (Seneca College of Applied Arts & Technology) in Toronto, Ontario is seeking for a Web & Digital Services Librarian. The position is a one-year contract position ending August 2007 with the possibility of being developed into a full-time position. For more information, please visit http://www.senecac.on.ca/marketing/weblib.pdf -- ~~~ Jane Foo, Mgr of Dig Lib Serv & Info Sys ~~~ Seneca Libraries, Seneca College of Applied Arts & Technology ~~~ URL: http://library.senecacollege.ca ~~~ Tel.: 416-491-5050 x2011 ~~~ IM: senlibjane (Yahoo, AIM), Jane.Foo@senecac.on.ca (MSN) From tapinformation at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 22:57:18 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Tue Oct 10 22:57:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: Enduring Outrage: Editorial Cartoons by Herblock Message-ID: <20061011025718.21607.qmail@web82106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Today (Wednesday) beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 1:00 Central, noon Mountain, and 11:00 a.m. Pacific, the Library of Congress will present a free online program about the editorial cartoons of HERBLOCK. Please feel free to drop in and enjoy these timeless statements of enduring outrage. For hotlinks into the online room as well as background information, as well as information about other upcoming online events organized by the OPAL collaborative of libraries, please visit: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 1:00 Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 6:00 p.m. GMT: Cartoons and Political Opinion Join the Library of Congress in the OPAL (Online Programming for All Libraries) online Auditorium to explore the resonant work of political cartoonist Herblock, through the Library of Congress's new exhibition: Enduring Outrage: Editorial Cartoons by Herblock. Sara Duke, Curator of Popular and Applied Graphic Art, will delve into the treasure trove of material from the Prints and Photographs Division and show cartoons related to perennial topics such as the environment, ethics, privacy, the Middle East, and more. Sponsor: Library of Congress Location: Auditorium. Tom Peters, OPAL Coordinator TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com Skype: tapeters4466 Gizmo: TomPeters4466 TAP Information Services helps libraries and library-related organizations innovate. From dhwong at usc.edu Wed Oct 11 12:56:28 2006 From: dhwong at usc.edu (Deborah Holmes-Wong) Date: Wed Oct 11 12:56:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: University of Southern California Digital Preservation Librarian Message-ID: <452D223C.8040405@usc.edu> Please excuse the cross-posting: Digital Preservation Librarian Position #234 Information Development and Management USC Libraries University of Southern California POSITION SUMMARY The University of Southern California (USC) is seeking a digital preservation professional to join its digital library team, known internally as Archiving, Imaging and Metadata Services. The Digital Preservation Librarian coordinates the development and implementation of preservation policy for the University of Southern California?s digital collections and serves as a liaison to the USC community for digital preservation projects and initiatives. This is an evolving position intended to develop a framework to establishment a cohesive digital preservation program at USC. This framework will include; 1) an effective and achievable strategy to ensure the long-term viability of university digital assets regardless of format; 2) development of a collection strategy for all relevant campus assets. The Digital Preservation Librarian will shape USC?s role in the digital library environment assuming a larger preservation community and a distributed and cooperative worldview. The position has primary reporting responsibility in Archiving, Imaging and Metadata Services (AIMS) to the Associate Executive Director, Information Development and Management and a secondary reporting line to the Director of Special Libraries and Archival Collections. THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Founded in 1879, USC is an international center of learning, enrolling more than 30,000 FTE undergraduate, graduate, and professional students on the University Park and the Health Sciences campuses and offering degrees through its College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences, Graduate School, and 16 professional schools. It ranks in the top 10 among private research universities in the United States in federally funded research and in voluntary support. USC is one of only four private research universities in the western United States elected to membership in the Association of American Universities, a group that represents the top one percent of the nation's accredited universities and which accounts for nearly two-thirds of all federally sponsored research. This is an exciting time to come to the university. USC recently completed the ?Building on Excellence? campaign, the most successful fundraising effort in the history of higher education in the United States. The campaign totaled in excess of $2.85 billion, leading to 125 new endowed chairs and professorships and 25 new and expanded research institutes or centers, many in engineering and the sciences. Several other new initiatives serve to enhance USC's academic and research mission. The College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences is hiring 100 new senior faculty members ? outstanding professors from around the world ? that will boost the college's faculty by 25%. In addition, the Provost has instigated a $100 million campaign to support and improve graduate education at USC. The university's strategic plan, ?USC's Plan for Increasing Academic Excellence: Building Strategic Capabilities for the University of the 21st Century,? calls for ?Promoting Learner-Centered Education.? To become more learner-centered, USC must ?create educational structures and methods that better fulfill student needs,? and ?harness technology for more responsiveness and flexibility in education.? The USC Libraries administration views the expansion and organization of online physical science and engineering information resources as an important goal that will substantially further learner-centered education at USC. For more on USC's new strategic plan, see: http://www.usc.edu/admin/provost/strategicplan/. USC LIBRARIES USC?s digital library collection highlights include the Shoah Foundation Visual History Archive (VHA), the California Historical Society, Korean American Archives and the Chinese Historical Society of Southern California. The archive holds 193,252 records and 223,487 content files of varying formats. The Shoah Foundation VHA contains 48,700 indexed and cataloged testimonies of the collection of 51,000 digitized testimonies. In addition to its digital collections the USC Libraries currently hold nearly 4 million printed volumes, 6 million items in microform, and 3 million photographs and subscribe to more than 30,000 current serial titles. USC is a member of the Association of Research Libraries, the Center for Research Libraries, the Research Libraries Group, the Digital Library Federation, the Statewide California Electronic Library Consortium, the Greater Western Library Alliance and the Pacific Rim Digital Library Alliance. Additional information about the University of Southern California and the USC Libraries can be obtained at http://www.usc.edu/ and at http://www.usc.edu/libraries/. Archiving, Imaging and Metdata Services The USC Libraries has created a technical resource group called Archiving, Imaging and Metadata Services (AIMS). Comprised of staff formerly a part of the Information Services Division, it is new yet it offers years of experience in planning and completing archival projects and software solutions for the USC Libraries. These services are available University-wide and can directly help with the planning and execution of nearly any archival or content management project. Archiving, Imaging and Metadata Services is at the forefront of "Institutional Readiness"?USC?s commitment to provide long-term access to digital content. As a mature IT group on campus, this group has the skill set and track record to provide faculty with credible support when funding agencies look for assurances that research will be disseminated in the present and preserved for the future. Special Libraries and Archival Collections Based in Doheny Memorial Library, the Specialized Libraries and Archival Collections Center provides access to and preserves archival, historic, and primary source materials in the Center's main areas of strength: Los Angeles regional history; American literature; Lion Feuchtwanger and the German emigre experience; natural history; and USC history and the university's intellectual life. Additionally, the East Asian Library and Boeckmann Center collect research materials and provide reference assistance to support the academic needs of USC students and faculty in the areas of East Asian, and Iberian, Latin American (with strengths in Mexico, Central America, and Cuba), and U.S. Hispanics studies. The Shoah Foundation Archive consists of eye-witness accounts of the Holocaust and contains discussion of a huge variety of historical, cultural, religious, genealogical, and other information relating to many countries in the periods before, during, and after World War II. The diverse array of disciplines encompassed within the Specialized Libraries and Archival Collections Center encourages and promotes interdisciplinary research. Reporting to the Associate Executive Director, Information Development and Management of the USC Libraries, the Digital Preservation Librarian will: * Coordinate and participate in the development of standard preservation metadata to identify the minimal set of preservation metadata elements. * Identify endangered digital materials and prioritize these for preservation. * Develop an overall migration strategy to ensure that material in standard and non-standard or obsolete digital formats will be reformatted and/or refreshed regularly. * Identify areas where digital preservation policies and procedures need to be established or refined. * Working with library personnel, establish policies and procedures related to digital preservation of USC Libraries? collections. * Working with library personnel, establish policies and procedures to ensure long-term access to publisher and other digital collections outside the university. * Advise departments and faculty across the campus on digital preservation issues * Coordinate with the Director of Specialized Libraries and Archival Collections on the development of the Digital Archive of primary source collections Required Qualifications Include: * MLS from an ALA accredited library and information studies program or equivalent education and experience. * An in depth knowledge and understanding of file formats, file format conversion techniques and techniques for content non-repudiation. * An energetic person with the ability to clearly and confidently communicate about digital preservation issues for both technical and non-technical audiences. * Demonstrated experience with one or more of the following metadata standards: Dublin Core, METS/MODS, OpenURL, OAI-PMH, EAD, XML, etc. * Demonstrated experience with creation and/or management of digital objects in one or more of the following formats: text, image, sound, software, multimedia, and/or video. * General knowledge of how digital library collections and electronic objects are used in an academic setting. * Demonstrated understanding of digital preservation. * Substantive experience with digital preservation practices. * General knowledge of one or more digital asset management systems, such as D-Space, CONTENTdm, etc. * Proven track record of managing projects and accomplishing goals. Preferred Qualifications Include: * Demonstrated experience working in teams with librarians and other information technology professionals. * Working knowledge of intellectual property and licensing issues as related to electronic resources and digital archives. * Solid understanding of non-digital media formats (film, tape, etc). * Participation in national and international preservation standards organizations (ERPAN, PADI, NISO, AMIA) APPOINTMENT RANK/SALARY Librarian II (Contract) or Librarian III (Contract); appointment rank and salary commensurate with experience and qualifications. Hiring range starts at $50,000. Contract librarians at USC have faculty status, and, as such, are full, voting members of the library faculty. Appointment to the renewable Contract Status track requires the potential to demonstrate excellence in librarianship and effectiveness in meeting contract standards and provisions. BENEFITS The position is full-time on a 12-month contract. Benefits include a choice of university sponsored retirement programs, 22 paid vacation days per year, a choice of medical and dental plans, and tuition assistance. APPLICATION PROCEDURE Applications must be submitted via electronic mail. Candidates should submit a letter of application, full resume (including telephone and e-mail address), and the names, addresses, telephone numbers, and e-mail addresses of six references to: Nannette Edelman libfacjobs@usc.edu Subject: Search Committee #234 USC Libraries University of Southern California Closing date for applications: October 2, 2006 For more information about this position, contact Deborah Holmes Wong, Chair of the Search Committee, at < dhwong@usc.edu > The University of Southern California values diversity and is committed to equal opportunity in employment. USC is an EO/AA employer. Updated 10/2/06 From siansleep at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 14:41:43 2006 From: siansleep at gmail.com (David Kemper) Date: Wed Oct 11 14:49:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Thoughts on Library Portals In-Reply-To: <200610051022.AA773587024@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200610051022.AA773587024@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <279898a50610111141j6b4ceac5pb5b81ea1c5491a6d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I agree with Karen H.'s suggestion. I think it's best to harness the power of the user/department/faculty, using such tools as delicious and feeds. Funnel these user discoveries into a library portal, so the portal becomes something not "out there" but personal and relevant, populated by users and their peers, therby giving them them a sense of participation in collection development and a chance to discover the resources housed by the library in new ways. David On 10/5/06, Karen Davis wrote: > > When you speak of a portal, how does that differ from a "subject guide"? just asking... > > > >Hi Guys, > > > > I am wondering if some folks can share your thoughts on developing library portals. > > As you know, academic library websites are keep losing users. A lot of our users are turning away for google and other internet resources whenever they do research. It happens a lot with our faculty and students. Some of the academic departments are even developing their own website to collect e-resources for their students and faculty for research. My library thinks that it might be a good idea to develop portals for these academic departments based upon the resources we have. > > > > Are you facing the same kind of satuiation as we do? Do you think that developing protals is the right direction? Are the faculty and students happy with the portals? Would you mind to show me the portals you did? > > > > Many thanks if you can shed some light on it. > > > > -HB > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > >_______________________________________________ > >Web4lib mailing list > >Web4lib@webjunction.org > >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From sbaldwin at nngov.com Wed Oct 11 19:14:02 2006 From: sbaldwin at nngov.com (Sue Baldwin) Date: Wed Oct 11 19:14:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs Message-ID: <001001c6ed8a$f0e88d80$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> Hi Everyone, We are in the process of starting a blog, but our director wants a policy first. Something that would address, among other things, the comments from the public - how do you decide what gets posted and what doesn't, criteria, etc. I'm really not sure where to start. So, if any libraries, especially public libraries, have a blog policy they could share I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Sue Sue Baldwin Senior Librarian, Technology & Electronic Access Newport News Public Library System 700 Town Center Drive Suite 300 Newport News, VA 23606 757-926-1350 voice 757-926-1365 fax sbaldwin@nngov.com From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Wed Oct 11 19:37:43 2006 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Wed Oct 11 19:38:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs In-Reply-To: <001001c6ed8a$f0e88d80$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> Message-ID: Please share with all. I'm interested in the intellectual freedom aspects - public forums, etc., as well as how to protect users from predators. -Margaret Eugene Public Library Eugene, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sue Baldwin Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:14 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs Hi Everyone, We are in the process of starting a blog, but our director wants a policy first. Something that would address, among other things, the comments from the public - how do you decide what gets posted and what doesn't, criteria, etc. I'm really not sure where to start. So, if any libraries, especially public libraries, have a blog policy they could share I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Sue Sue Baldwin Senior Librarian, Technology & Electronic Access Newport News Public Library System 700 Town Center Drive Suite 300 Newport News, VA 23606 757-926-1350 voice 757-926-1365 fax sbaldwin@nngov.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tomkeays at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 20:39:04 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Wed Oct 11 20:48:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Position Announcement: Syracuse University: Associate University Librarian for Digital Programs and Systems Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610111739n1916de89t32a704402bbdd2ff@mail.gmail.com> I'm forwarding this and no further information beyond what is posted here. Syracuse University Library Associate University Librarian for Digital Programs and Systems OVERVIEW Under the direction of the Associate Dean/Deputy University Librarian, administers all aspects of Syracuse University Libraries' (SUL) digital initiatives as well as computing and network operations including desktop support, digital programs, systems and servers, ILS system (Voyager) support, Web interfaced services. Oversees activities in both production, and research and development areas; provides leadership in library technology and digital library development and implementation; coordinates major technology and digital activities of libraries to support responsive and innovative services to users, including the online catalog and open URL linking and metadata based and federated searching technologies. Serves as member of the Associate Dean's senior administrative team. Serves as the Library's primary liaison with campus Information Technology Services. Participates on local, regional and national committees related to library technology. Supervises staff in the Library's Digital Programs and Systems department. Represents SUL Libraries as primary contact with executives of major vendors of our library products. Develops strategies for deployment and recommend emerging trends new technologies for the libraries. Collaborates in strategic planning, policy formulation, setting of Library priorities, and budget allocation. Develops, implements, and evaluates strategies to best carry out the Library's mission. Articulates and implements a vision of the Library as central to the teaching and research mission of the University by ensuring continuous improvement of Library technical, digital and information management services. Exercises collaborative and innovative leadership in directing the evolution, development and management of both traditional and new modes of information access with emphasis on the expansion of digital Library services. RESPONSIBILITIES * Leads the planning, implementation and evaluation of the Library's information technology infrastructure, including, but not limited to: - The Library's online integrated system (Endeavor's Voyager) - Electronic resource management and delivery - Emerging digital initiatives - Coordination of Metadata * Oversees the Digital Programs and Systems Department * Administers the operations and personnel budget of over $ 2 million * Develops and recommends to Senior administration computing use polices and procedures for problem resolution and ongoing support for a complex computing environment * Assigns and oversees technology and digital projects for successful completion * Recommends new products and services and conducts research into emerging products and technologies * Identifies training needs and works with the Library's Staff Development Specialist and others to provide training * Represents the Library and negotiates with vendors * Fosters positive Library relations with the University community and promotes the University's commitment to diversity * Collaborates with library staff, faculty, students, and central university computing to develop and ensure high quality and responsive enterprise-wide digital library support * Keeps abreast of developments affecting the Library, including emerging trends in scholarly communication, information technology and Library technical and digital services * Contributes to the development of effective consortial relations at local, regional, national and international levels * Contributes to Syracuse University Library's national leadership role through scholarly publications and presentations and participation in the work of professional organizations Education and Experience Graduate degree in information science or technology or librarianship from an ALA accredited program, 5 years of management or administrative experience in an academic library or research setting computing environment or an equivalent combination of education and experience. * Demonstrated excellent administrative, planning, leadership, analytical, and communication skills commensurate with the significant responsibilities of this position * Ability to take a broad view/perspective of library and university issues * Track record of developing collaborative projects among various library and campus units * Demonstrated creativity in the application of emerging technologies * Experience working with vendors and external funding agencies * A record of commitment to professional development * Enthusiasm for working in a challenging, dynamic, complex environment * Experience in establishing priorities and seeing projects through to completion * Commitment to excellence in service Environment: Syracuse University, founded in 1870, is an independent Research II University and a member of the Association of American Universities. Its thirteen schools and colleges include a number of nationally ranked programs and serve a population of over 10,000 undergraduate and 5,600 graduate and law students. The Syracuse University Library comprises a large central library and five branch libraries serving a diverse community including 800 faculty and many visiting researchers. The libraries hold almost 3,000,000 volumes, with significant special collections, and extensive electronic resources. The Library's annual budget is $10.7 million. The Library has a staff of approximately 46 librarians and 135 support staff. The Library is a member of the Association of Research Libraries, OCLC, and national and regional consortia. It is committed to the development of digital resources and is working actively to initiate new digital programs. Library staff members are committed to providing excellent and responsive services to a culturally and racially diverse campus. Syracuse is located in the center of New York State within reach of New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, and Toronto. Local cultural opportunities include a symphony orchestra, jazz festival, chamber music society, nationally recognized art museum, and an Equity theater, along with excellent opportunities for sports and recreation nearby. Salary and Benefits: Salary is commensurate with education and experience. The University's generous benefits package includes an 11% contribution to TIAA/CREF, health and dental plans, tuition remission, adoption assistance, insurance, and other work/life options and benefits. The University offers a guaranteed mortgage-assistance program in targeted neighborhoods. More information can be found on the Department of Human Resources website at . Contact: Syracuse University requires that you complete an online application. To complete an online application through the Internet, please go to www.sujobopps.com. Applicants should attach both a cover letter and resume with the application and include the names of three professional references. Applications received by November 6, 2006 will receive first consideration. From yarmando at oplin.org Thu Oct 12 06:29:07 2006 From: yarmando at oplin.org (Don Yarman) Date: Thu Oct 12 06:29:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Research database descriptions In-Reply-To: <2e61424e0610101407g3bbd01c5v260dfe6e7730f072@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e61424e0610101407g3bbd01c5v260dfe6e7730f072@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e61424e0610120329v58d48018o6259da9d51b8a541@mail.gmail.com> On 10/10/06, I wrote: > This summer, I followed a link from this list to a college library website. > I liked how this library handled the descriptions of research databases. Several people asked me to send them the URL (if I found it) of the college library webpage I was looking for. It is Williams College, http://www.williams.edu/library. Specifically, I liked the ways they listed their databases, and provided descriptions for them -- http://www.williams.edu/library/indexes/master.php. If you are particularly proud of the way you've solved the problem of presenting and describing your electronic collections, I would love to hear about it. I've begun to think there is no good way to do this. Certainly I've done it in a number of unsatisfying ways. Your most humble and obedient servant, Don Yarman yarmando@oplin.org | AIM: yarmando From jbrian at boonvillelib.net Thu Oct 12 11:51:43 2006 From: jbrian at boonvillelib.net (Judy McBrian) Date: Thu Oct 12 11:52:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth Message-ID: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Please excuse the cross posting. For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're never gonna learn nuthin' I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with the Board is inexpensive. My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking the life out of our T1 It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing the Runewhatever game. (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to allow or not on library owned machines....) Does anyone have any wise words? From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Oct 12 12:06:04 2006 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:16:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: <11366.66.100.26.82.1160669164.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> Judy, Check out PublicIP's zoneCD - it's a wireless access management system that is free, includes the ability to block ports and throttle bandwidth and runs off a CD that can be run on a fairly low-end PC. There's a pay version of the service but we've run the free version for several years and are very satisfied with it. There are quite a few libraries using it. More details here: http://publicip.com and User Forum http://publicip.net/phpBB2/ Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI > Please excuse the cross posting. > > For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're > never gonna learn nuthin' > > I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with > the Board is inexpensive. > My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming > and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking > the life out of our T1 > It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing > the Runewhatever game. > (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to > allow or not on library owned machines....) > Does anyone have any wise words? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Oct 12 12:45:21 2006 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:45:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: <28046.66.100.26.82.1160671521.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> Judy, I should have mentioned this article that I co-wrote with Karen Ventura for Computers in Libraries that talks in more detail about our PublicIP zoneCD setup: http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/mar06/Mutch_Ventura.shtml Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI > Please excuse the cross posting. > > For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're > never gonna learn nuthin' > > I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with > the Board is inexpensive. > My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming > and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking > the life out of our T1 > It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing > the Runewhatever game. > (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to > allow or not on library owned machines....) > Does anyone have any wise words? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kayiwa at uic.edu Thu Oct 12 12:51:07 2006 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:51:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Judy McBrian wrote: > Please excuse the cross posting. > > For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask > you're never gonna learn nuthin' > > I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word > with the Board is inexpensive. My concern is laptop patrons using > out bandwidth for things like gaming and downloading music files. > That is, by numbers and activities sucking the life out of our T1 > It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer > playing the Runewhatever game. > (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board > decides to allow or not on library owned machines....) > Does anyone have any wise words? If this was my problem I would use a proxy/cache server like Squid [1]. You probably want to do this regardless. :-) Squid has delay pools which you can then fine tune to throttle websites that are considered "less important". Runescape users like to have fast network connections and they would simply stop using your bandwidth once they learn that it lacks optimal performance. You can take this a step further if your network admins are bored and like to turn knobs, switches etc. :-) They can install a DNS [resolver (emphases)]. DJB works at my institution so I must recommend djbdns [2] :-) but I am sure the venerable BIND can do something similar. A DNS resolver works like this. Say a "good user" wants to go to www.uic.edu/depts/lib (we like that here) so the resolver doesn't care and it says righto you can pass. A different user just want to get to somerune.server.net. A DNS server (the authoritative kind) would send this user to somerune.server.net, BUT since this is YOUR network you can set up a resolver that lies to the computer. Instead of sending them to somerune.server.net they can be sent to 1.1.1.1 or if you are a kind net admin, combine my two solutions and send them to the squid.proxy.net server which throttles their access to the lowest priority. This way you don't have irritated users just mildly inconvenienced ones. Your server logs will have to be monitored in the event that somerune.server.net becomes newrune.server.net but those are the breaks. :-) regards, Francis [1] http://www.squid-cache.org/ [2] http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLnJ+N+YGKSXdLhkRAnbsAJ9ha4L/C2t21HAUeLBm12Auf4OSFgCgh7+U d/ireO249ohV/FTDpaVZl1A= =LlMj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stomproj at larl.org Thu Oct 12 12:51:54 2006 From: stomproj at larl.org (Josh Stompro) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:52:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: <452E72AA.9050108@larl.org> The pfsense and m0n0wall firewall os distributions allow for setting up captive portals and bandwidth limiting. I am using pfsense at 20 branches as their main firewall/wireless management device. Our captive portal just makes wireless users agree with our wireless use policy to gain access, they don't need to setup an account. I usually throttle the wireless to 1/3 the total bandwidth of a branch, and shut down the wireless interface at night. http://pfsense.org http://m0n0.ch/wall/ Josh Judy McBrian wrote: > Please excuse the cross posting. > > For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're > never gonna learn nuthin' > > I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with > the Board is inexpensive. My concern is laptop patrons using out > bandwidth for things like gaming and downloading music files. That > is, by numbers and activities sucking the life out of our T1 > It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing > the Runewhatever game. > (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides > to allow or not on library owned machines....) > Does anyone have any wise words? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- -- Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 LARL Network Administrator | Mobile 701.371.3857 From Casey.Durfee at spl.org Thu Oct 12 13:25:15 2006 From: Casey.Durfee at spl.org (Casey Durfee) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:25:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: <452E180A.8089.005D.0@spl.org> A Linksys WRT54G wireless router ($50 new) + Sveasoft firmware ( $20/year subscription ) [1] should give you what you want without having to buy and maintain a new server or an expensive router. You can easily throttle how much bandwidth your laptop users can use and give priority to internet browsing over bittorrent, games, ftp and other traffic. The Sveasoft firmware basically transforms a $50 wireless router into a $500 one. It's fairly well documented and easy to use. The OpenWRT [2] firmware is similar to Sveasoft's but is totally free and less user-friendly. [1] http://www.sveasoft.com/content/view/2/1/ [2] http://openwrt.org/ >>> Judy McBrian 10/12/2006 8:51 AM >>> Please excuse the cross posting. For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're never gonna learn nuthin' I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with the Board is inexpensive. My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking the life out of our T1 It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing the Runewhatever game. (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to allow or not on library owned machines....) Does anyone have any wise words? _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 13:43:08 2006 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:43:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E180A.8089.005D.0@spl.org> References: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> <452E180A.8089.005D.0@spl.org> Message-ID: <97d9c0c70610121043q6672d309qed8ff97682b7dbe6@mail.gmail.com> I would echo the WRT54G recommendation. I would, however, recommend DD-WRT as a firmware choice. From what I've seen, it's more stable and configurable than the Sveasoft choices, and a bit friendlier to use. (And it's free!) http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php You can do things like 'captive portals', RADIUS authentication and bandwidth throttling / shaping based on time of day or protocol used, as well as other things. Andrew On 10/12/06, Casey Durfee wrote: > A Linksys WRT54G wireless router ($50 new) + Sveasoft firmware ( $20/year subscription ) [1] should give you what you want without having to buy and maintain a new server or an expensive router. You can easily throttle how much bandwidth your laptop users can use and give priority to internet browsing over bittorrent, games, ftp and other traffic. > > The Sveasoft firmware basically transforms a $50 wireless router into a $500 one. It's fairly well documented and easy to use. The OpenWRT [2] firmware is similar to Sveasoft's but is totally free and less user-friendly. > > > [1] http://www.sveasoft.com/content/view/2/1/ > [2] http://openwrt.org/ > > >>> Judy McBrian 10/12/2006 8:51 AM >>> > Please excuse the cross posting. > > For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're > never gonna learn nuthin' > > I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with > the Board is inexpensive. > My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming > and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking > the life out of our T1 > It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing > the Runewhatever game. > (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to > allow or not on library owned machines....) > Does anyone have any wise words? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Oct 12 13:49:30 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:49:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4A9BA@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> You might want to submit your question to the LibWireless list. Information about it can be found at: http://people.morrisville.edu/%7Edrewwe/wireless/libwireless.html From PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org Thu Oct 12 13:53:42 2006 From: PWhitford at Braswell-Library.org (Phillip Whitford) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:53:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth In-Reply-To: <452E648F.6020508@boonvillelib.net> Message-ID: I've used PublicIP ZoneCD and can recommend it as well but if you want an option that doesn't involve Linux (or you don't have a spare pc to use for ZoneCD) Dlink sells the DSA-3200 gateway device for about $500. The device includes bandwidth throttling, a firewall, reporting features for stats, hours of use settings, and more. It works with other access points and has a built in access point so in a very small facility it might be all you need. We use them in several libraries and they are easy to configure and will do what you want. http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=402 Phillip B. Whitford Manager Information Technology Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my organization. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Judy McBrian Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:52 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; Dynix Subject: [Web4lib] Limiting bandwidth Please excuse the cross posting. For some of you this is a dumb question, but if you don't ask you're never gonna learn nuthin' I want to create an inexpensive wi-fi for patrons. The big word with the Board is inexpensive. My concern is laptop patrons using out bandwidth for things like gaming and downloading music files. That is, by numbers and activities sucking the life out of our T1 It's bad enough in the summer with every kid on every computer playing the Runewhatever game. (No, we don't, and no, I have NO CONTROL over what the Board decides to allow or not on library owned machines....) Does anyone have any wise words? _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 14:08:09 2006 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Thu Oct 12 14:08:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] UW-Madison Joins Google Book Search Project Message-ID: <20061012180809.11351.qmail@web57113.mail.re3.yahoo.com> More info at search engine watch: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/061012-083531 Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From jbrian at boonvillelib.net Thu Oct 12 15:21:36 2006 From: jbrian at boonvillelib.net (Judy McBrian) Date: Thu Oct 12 15:23:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] limiting bandwidth thanks Message-ID: <452E95C0.6070202@boonvillelib.net> Thanks to all of you the dark has been made light, the invisible, visible, and the obtuse, well.... It's all so very simple. I just had been asking the right question of the wrong people. Thanks a lot! Judy From SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us Fri Oct 13 10:50:59 2006 From: SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us (SUSAN HANSEN) Date: Fri Oct 13 10:46:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates Message-ID: Looking for any ideas on how to test job applicants for a web position so we can compare their technical/programming skills. I was thinking of a scenario like having them present a plan (not actually do the work) on how they would 'automate' our bookmobile schedule and what tools/software they would use. Is that too difficult? Any other suggestions you've used or had used on you? Thanks! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 From jhsteven at law.stetson.edu Fri Oct 13 11:15:22 2006 From: jhsteven at law.stetson.edu (Stevens, Julieanne H.) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:15:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think that you'd first want to define the scope of what the position responsibilities over the long run would be, not just your immediate needs. Web people come in variant skill levels and expertise. (For example, I can animate but you'd have to beat me to death to get Perl out of me unless it involved knitting). Do you need someone who can regularly write small programs to interface components and schedules (like combining the bookmobile schedule with, say, children's story hours for a more complete library schedule of events ?) Or, will the long term position basically involve building an increasingly interactive Web2.0 type web page with lots of bells and whistles and interactive content and graphics and wondrous things ? In that case, you can pay someone and outsource a couple of small programs. Then, you'd be more interested in someone with some graphic arts, perhaps digital photography and strong page building skills and familiarity with Photoshop and/or other graphics programs. Frankly, I think I'd have them build a new page of some kind for the library. Or have them build or propose a new interface with your online catalog. Or maybe build a children's web page... Perhaps include a request to design a new logo. The idea would be something where the applicant can show off their actual skills and you can visibly compare the results. Jules Julieanne Hartman Stevens, MLS, JD Electronic Services and Reference Librarian Stetson University College of Law 1401 61st Street South Gulfport, Florida 33707-3299 Direct Line 727-562-7304 Internal Extension 7204 JHSteven@law.stetson.edu "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky From loriayre at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 11:30:45 2006 From: loriayre at gmail.com (Lori Ayre) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:30:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6aaa5a160610130830k2d99fb61i4df09ca7abde9faa@mail.gmail.com> Susan, I recommend asking them something as vague as you've just asked "how would you automate the bookmobile schedule" and see if they launch into ideas about building it first or begin asking questions. If they begin asking questions, proceed. If they begin coding, say bye-bye. If you are hiring a programmer, you need to make sure they know how to communicate and tease out the requirements before they start building. The more planning done beforehand, the less time they will spend on the project and the less frustrating the experience will be fore everyone involved. For those that make it past that first hurdle, ask them for samples of their work and have a programmer look at the code. Is it good solid programming techniques? Is it well documented? Could a different programmer pick up where they left off or is it such a mess that no one could figure out how the program logic. Have them tell you what programming tools they used. Did they use all PHP or all Perl or is there a nice combination of programming tools demonstrating their versatility in more than one language. Also, ask to see a program that you can use. Try entering some bad input and see how well it handles errors. Does it break or is there a nice error message? How is the interface? Is it clean and easy to follow or jumbled and confusing. Would you want to use it? Good luck! Lori ========================= Lori Bowen Ayre (loriayre@gmail.com) The Galecia Group (http://galecia.com) Mentat (http://galecia.com/weblog) LibraryFiltering (http://libraryfiltering.org) On 10/13/06, SUSAN HANSEN wrote: > Looking for any ideas on how to test job applicants for a web position so we can compare their technical/programming skills. I was thinking of a scenario like having them present a plan (not actually do the work) on how they would 'automate' our bookmobile schedule and what tools/software they would use. Is that too difficult? Any other suggestions you've used or had used on you? Thanks! > > Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, > Librarian > Rochester Public Library > 101 2nd Street SE > Rochester MN 55904-3776 > > susan@rochester.lib.mn.us > www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org > Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us > > office phone: 507.285.8002 > fax: 507.287.1910 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From sbaldwin at nngov.com Fri Oct 13 11:34:49 2006 From: sbaldwin at nngov.com (Sue Baldwin) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:34:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c6eedd$1e6d23d0$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> Hi, I have received a few responses so far to my question about blogging policies. I was hoping for more. Does this mean most libraries don't have a written policy?? The responses I have received so far are below. I am still looking for more if anyone has a written policy. Thanks for the responses so far: 1. Public Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County Below are the guidelines we developed for our blog http://www2.cincinnatilibrary.org/blog/. They may too general for your purposes but they've served us well thus far. --Sandy Bolek Website Coordinator, Public Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County ******************************** Comment Guidelines We encourage you to comment on our posts. However, comments are moderated and will not appear in Turning the Page until they have been reviewed. No spam, flaming, personal attacks, profane language, or off-topic comments. We reserve the right to edit or delete comments that violate these guidelines. 2. IBM Company Blogging Policy http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/jasnell?entry=blogging_ibm 3. Memphis Library http://memphisreads.blogspot.com/2006/03/blog-guidelines.html 4. Internal policy for UWM (?) "What's New @ UWM Libraries" welcomes posts from any library department. General posting guidelines: * Announcements should be of interest to a significant portion of library users. * Keep postings simple. Link to a more detailed announcement page if necessary. Try to keep postings under 50 words. * Journalistic blog posts tend to have a more informal/conversational style than formal or academic writing. Try to use active verbs, avoid jargon, etc.. * Since you will be posting directly to the website, remember to check spelling and grammar before publishing a post. Sue Baldwin Senior Librarian, Technology & Electronic Access Newport News Public Library System 700 Town Center Drive Suite 300 Newport News, VA 23606 757-926-1350 voice 757-926-1365 fax sbaldwin@nngov.com -----Original Message----- From: HAZEL Margaret E [mailto:margaret.e.hazel@ci.eugene.or.us] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:38 PM To: Sue Baldwin; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] policies for blogs Please share with all. I'm interested in the intellectual freedom aspects - public forums, etc., as well as how to protect users from predators. -Margaret Eugene Public Library Eugene, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sue Baldwin Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:14 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs Hi Everyone, We are in the process of starting a blog, but our director wants a policy first. Something that would address, among other things, the comments from the public - how do you decide what gets posted and what doesn't, criteria, etc. I'm really not sure where to start. So, if any libraries, especially public libraries, have a blog policy they could share I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Sue Sue Baldwin Senior Librarian, Technology & Electronic Access Newport News Public Library System 700 Town Center Drive Suite 300 Newport News, VA 23606 757-926-1350 voice 757-926-1365 fax sbaldwin@nngov.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jgoodell at pulaskitech.edu Fri Oct 13 11:40:18 2006 From: jgoodell at pulaskitech.edu (Jon Goodell) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:40:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It wouldn't hurt to print out a page of the html source from the library's webpage and ask them to explain what some of the tags mean to the hiring committee. That would show what they know and demonstrate their ability to explain that to non specialists. Just make sure you get someone on your hiring committee that knows enough to tell when the candidate is faking it. Jon Goodell Technology Services & Reference Librarian Ottenheimer Library - Pulaski Technical College North Little Rock, AR 501-812-2718 jgoodell@pulaskitech.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of SUSAN HANSEN Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:51 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates Looking for any ideas on how to test job applicants for a web position so we can compare their technical/programming skills. I was thinking of a scenario like having them present a plan (not actually do the work) on how they would 'automate' our bookmobile schedule and what tools/software they would use. Is that too difficult? Any other suggestions you've used or had used on you? Thanks! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kparlapat at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 11:42:44 2006 From: kparlapat at hotmail.com (Karen Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:42:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates Message-ID: Susan, If you want to test technical/programming skills, you wouldn't want them to present the plan. That's essentially concept/design work (creation of specs). I'm not clear on whether you want a programmer or a designer. In any case, you can certainly ask for a representative "portfolio" of design work that demonstrates general expertise and design sense. Use of test files behind the scenes can also demonstrate functionality in many cases. It's easy enough to put web pages onto a CD that can be ported to interviews. On the programming end, there are a lot of variables, but I would think you would specify platforms, languages, design software expertise and the like in your search document. Good luck with your search. Karen Patterson MLS Candidate, SCSU kparlapat@hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:50:59 -0500> From: SUSAN@rochester.lib.mn.us> To: web4lib@webjunction.org> Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates> > Looking for any ideas on how to test job applicants for a web position so we can compare their technical/programming skills. I was thinking of a scenario like having them present a plan (not actually do the work) on how they would 'automate' our bookmobile schedule and what tools/software they would use. Is that too difficult? Any other suggestions you've used or had used on you? Thanks!> > Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, > Librarian> Rochester Public Library> 101 2nd Street SE> Rochester MN 55904-3776> > susan@rochester.lib.mn.us> www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org> Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us> > office phone: 507.285.8002> fax: 507.287.1910> > > _______________________________________________> Web4lib mailing list> Web4lib@webjunction.org> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0100000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From nashaatis at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 11:57:26 2006 From: nashaatis at yahoo.com (Nashaat Sayed) Date: Fri Oct 13 11:57:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061013155726.36056.qmail@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Susan; Typical experience level is 3-5 years in IT industry at a technical writing, system design, programming or planning stages, implementation experience and/or software upgrade scenarios; for a candidate who can present a plan on automating bookmobile schedule. To understand and present tools/software, software evaluation experience is necessary. It is not important that the candidate must have library software experience, but must understand the use and system design of the software. Ideas on test: - Powerpoint presentation to demonstrate a case scenario, automate any business process, this will represent knowledge of writing, presentation and communication skills. Use of UML is a massive plus. - Web Skill, a portfolio with previous related work experience. It is difficult to find a healthy mixture of IT / Web / Literary candidates. With experienced professionals, the programming gets reduced, with fresh candidates (always a better option) the big picture understanding is low. Best of luck. Nashaat Sayed ERP Practice Manager - JD Edwards Former MLS Graduate nashaatis@yahoo.com Karen Patterson wrote: Susan, If you want to test technical/programming skills, you wouldn't want them to present the plan. That's essentially concept/design work (creation of specs). I'm not clear on whether you want a programmer or a designer. In any case, you can certainly ask for a representative "portfolio" of design work that demonstrates general expertise and design sense. Use of test files behind the scenes can also demonstrate functionality in many cases. It's easy enough to put web pages onto a CD that can be ported to interviews. On the programming end, there are a lot of variables, but I would think you would specify platforms, languages, design software expertise and the like in your search document. Good luck with your search. Karen Patterson MLS Candidate, SCSU kparlapat@hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:50:59 -0500> From: SUSAN@rochester.lib.mn.us> To: web4lib@webjunction.org> Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates> > Looking for any ideas on how to test job applicants for a web position so we can compare their technical/programming skills. I was thinking of a scenario like having them present a plan (not actually do the work) on how they would 'automate' our bookmobile schedule and what tools/software they would use. Is that too difficult? Any other suggestions you've used or had used on you? Thanks!> > Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, > Librarian> Rochester Public Library> 101 2nd Street SE> Rochester MN 55904-3776> > susan@rochester.lib.mn.us> www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org> Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us> > office phone: 507.285.8002> fax: 507.287.1910> > > _______________________________________________> Web4lib mailing list> Web4lib@webjunction.org> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0100000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ --------------------------------- Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages. From dkaplan at brandeis.edu Fri Oct 13 12:11:33 2006 From: dkaplan at brandeis.edu (Deborah Kaplan) Date: Fri Oct 13 12:16:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What everyone else has said about finding out if the person can do project planning is very true. But once you've done that, you want to find out if they can program. A web developer friend offered the following basic interview question: "a very easy programming question. Like "how would you write a function to convert a number from 1 to 99 into its english equivalent?" Our actual in-house programming test involves parsing a comma-separated list. We figure someone who understands programming can learn a given technology." That being said, asking a programming question won't be helpful if you have someone in the interview is capable of judging the results, and seeing if the process went well. You don't need to know a specific programming language to ask a question like this (usually programmers answer this kind of question in pseudocode, which means not in any particular language, but just going through the process), but you do need to know something about programming per se. If you don't have somebody who can ask a question like this, I find asking negatives is very helpful. "Tell me about a major programming mistake you've made, why it was wrong, and how you would do it with what you know today." You might not understand the technical details of the answer you are given, but you can absolutely see whether or not somebody is a critical thinker from a question like this. Or: "what's your favorite programming language? Great, now tell me what is wrong with it." If they can recognize the flaws in the thing I like best, that is also a red flag for me. -Deborah -- Deborah Kaplan Digital Initiatives Librarian Brandeis University From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Oct 13 12:40:20 2006 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Fri Oct 13 12:40:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs In-Reply-To: <003e01c6eedd$1e6d23d0$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> References: <003e01c6eedd$1e6d23d0$254f050a@NNPLS.ORG> Message-ID: <141344353.20061013104020@riverofdata.com> I'd say that the answer depends on what the blog is for? Is it internal for staff only? If so, does it have a particular internal purpose (general discussion, a particular project, staff association, administrative news, etc)? The same would be true for one on the public side. Is it for "what's new announcements" like ours is? http://albertsonslibrary.blogspot.com/ Or is it for some other purpose? Does it allow feedback from readers? If so, is that feedback moderated? Why or why not? To answer the original question, no, we don't have a written policy other than the understanding that the blog editor will use good judgment in the announcements. It will accept comments, but essentially no one has ever made one (other than me). dan Friday, October 13, 2006, 9:34:49 AM, you wrote: SB> I have received a few responses so far to my question about blogging SB> policies. I was hoping for more. Does this mean most libraries don't have a SB> written policy?? The responses I have received so far are below. I am still SB> looking for more if anyone has a written policy. Thanks for the responses so SB> far: -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com No one wins. One side just loses more slowly. From hubbardj at uwm.edu Fri Oct 13 12:57:42 2006 From: hubbardj at uwm.edu (John Hubbard) Date: Fri Oct 13 12:57:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia and Wikis - Free Video Presentation Message-ID: <452FC586.70100@uwm.edu> Want to learn more about Wikipedia and Wikis? Not up for footing the bill on a conference hotel? Well then this is for you: http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/courses/wiki/ It is a free online screencast titled "Why Wiki?" -- designed to review Wiki basics, the pros and cons of Wikipedia, and how you can use library Wikis or set one up. - John -- John Hubbard Web Services and Electronic Resources Coordinator UWM Libraries Webmaster University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 414-229-6775 From markr at yorku.ca Fri Oct 13 14:39:36 2006 From: markr at yorku.ca (Mark Robertson) Date: Fri Oct 13 14:39:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Robertson Reference Librarian Scott Library - York University (416) 736-2100 x33526 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jml4n at virginia.edu Fri Oct 13 14:59:31 2006 From: jml4n at virginia.edu (John Loy) Date: Fri Oct 13 14:59:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> References: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <9C00D51D-7382-4FE6-9D0F-949258000676@virginia.edu> Mark, It sounds like you've got a solution looking for a problem. Would your library users really want to contribute to a Library wiki? Would they care enough to take the time? What's in it for them? Also, most of the publishing uses you mention don't seem to require collaboration and could easily be realized without a wiki; by almost any web page/content management tool, in fact. -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work > etc. Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our > library website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our > users. Can anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis > successfully for this purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as > FAQs? wikis as subject pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment > wikis? > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > Scott Library - York University > (416) 736-2100 x33526 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Fri Oct 13 15:07:35 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Fri Oct 13 15:07:40 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E04BF29BA@kelso.cudenver.edu> Hi, Mark, Take a look at Chad Boeninger's Biz Wiki at Ohio University for an intersting example of a wiki-powered subject guide: http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php/Main_Page Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center-Downtown Campus, Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Denver 1100 Lawrence Street Denver, Colorado 80204 303-556-4729 nina.mchale@cudenver.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Loy Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:00 PM To: Mark Robertson Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Mark, It sounds like you've got a solution looking for a problem. Would your library users really want to contribute to a Library wiki? Would they care enough to take the time? What's in it for them? Also, most of the publishing uses you mention don't seem to require collaboration and could easily be realized without a wiki; by almost any web page/content management tool, in fact. -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. > Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library > website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can > anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this > purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject > pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > Scott Library - York University > (416) 736-2100 x33526 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu Fri Oct 13 15:07:04 2006 From: bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu (Beatrice Pulliam) Date: Fri Oct 13 15:08:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <001201c6eefa$c59d4190$0637010a@providence.col> I'm listening to Chad Boeninger's presentation right now on using content specific Wikis to reach users...check out his Biz Wiki for Ohio University Libraries: http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php/Main_Page Beatrice R. Pulliam Reference Librarian and Assistant Professor Phillips Memorial Library Providence College 549 River Avenue Providence, RI 02918 401.865.2891 IM: rhodylibrarian (AIM/iChat/Yahoo) http://www.providence.edu/Academics/Phillips+Memorial+Library/ http://digitalcommons.providence.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mark Robertson Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:40 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Robertson Reference Librarian Scott Library - York University (416) 736-2100 x33526 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From chutchens at montana.edu Fri Oct 13 16:32:36 2006 From: chutchens at montana.edu (Hutchens, Chad) Date: Fri Oct 13 16:30:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <9C00D51D-7382-4FE6-9D0F-949258000676@virginia.edu> Message-ID: I'm going to have to side with John here. Wiki's are interesting tools, but there really isn't any great reason to use a wiki for FAQ's or policy pages unless you want to let users write your FAQ's and policies for you. And I've often contemplated the utility of this along the same lines as John; i.e. do they (users) really care enough for this to attractive to anyone but librarians...IMHO this isn't necessarily a "build it and they will come" type thing. Even on the linked Univ of Ohio examples, it doesn't appear to allow user-generated content...I'm not sure what the real advantage is (other than being able to say you used a wiki to accomplish it). Maybe I'm missing something? In general, the utility of wiki's and blogs in library literature and conferences seems vastly overdone, to a fault even. A simple web page that's laid out correctly with CSS-styled definition lists or unordered lists will work just as well without having to install anything on a server somewhere. As long as you take the time to build a maintenance-friendly page with XHTML markup Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Loy Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:00 PM To: Mark Robertson Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Mark, It sounds like you've got a solution looking for a problem. Would your library users really want to contribute to a Library wiki? Would they care enough to take the time? What's in it for them? Also, most of the publishing uses you mention don't seem to require collaboration and could easily be realized without a wiki; by almost any web page/content management tool, in fact. -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work > etc. Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our > library website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our > users. Can anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis > successfully for this purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as > FAQs? wikis as subject pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment > wikis? > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > Scott Library - York University > (416) 736-2100 x33526 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Fri Oct 13 16:58:51 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Fri Oct 13 16:58:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E04BF2A41@kelso.cudenver.edu> I agree to an extent what John and Chad are saying about overdoing it, but Boeninger really does put a lot of a wiki's functionality to good use, especially compared to a static HTML guide. If you're curious, have a look at his CIL slides: http://www.infotoday.com/cil2006/presentations/ Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center-Downtown Campus, Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Denver 1100 Lawrence Street Denver, Colorado 80204 303-556-4729 nina.mchale@cudenver.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Chad Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:33 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries I'm going to have to side with John here. Wiki's are interesting tools, but there really isn't any great reason to use a wiki for FAQ's or policy pages unless you want to let users write your FAQ's and policies for you. And I've often contemplated the utility of this along the same lines as John; i.e. do they (users) really care enough for this to attractive to anyone but librarians...IMHO this isn't necessarily a "build it and they will come" type thing. Even on the linked Univ of Ohio examples, it doesn't appear to allow user-generated content...I'm not sure what the real advantage is (other than being able to say you used a wiki to accomplish it). Maybe I'm missing something? In general, the utility of wiki's and blogs in library literature and conferences seems vastly overdone, to a fault even. A simple web page that's laid out correctly with CSS-styled definition lists or unordered lists will work just as well without having to install anything on a server somewhere. As long as you take the time to build a maintenance-friendly page with XHTML markup Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Loy Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:00 PM To: Mark Robertson Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Mark, It sounds like you've got a solution looking for a problem. Would your library users really want to contribute to a Library wiki? Would they care enough to take the time? What's in it for them? Also, most of the publishing uses you mention don't seem to require collaboration and could easily be realized without a wiki; by almost any web page/content management tool, in fact. -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. > Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library > website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can > anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this > purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject > pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > Scott Library - York University > (416) 736-2100 x33526 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lars at aronsson.se Fri Oct 13 17:07:37 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Fri Oct 13 17:07:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E04BF29BA@kelso.cudenver.edu> References: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E04BF29BA@kelso.cudenver.edu> Message-ID: Nina McHale wrote: > Take a look at Chad Boeninger's Biz Wiki at Ohio University for an > intersting example of a wiki-powered subject guide: > > http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php/Main_Page With the exception of seven spammers who were immediately blocked, I see only one user editing this site in the last year, http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=700&days=600 So even if the software makes this website a wiki, it doesn't really provide any "public wiki experience". I'd like to know of any examples that do. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Fri Oct 13 17:05:04 2006 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Fri Oct 13 17:08:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: I have been toying with the idea of setting up an internal wiki for the library staff. But it will have to wait until next year for me to get out from underneath some project first. The way I envision doing it, I would set it up initially for the Library Automation Team. We can put in here instructions for resolving problems we have encountered, and basic network configuration information. Some of the City Administrative regulations could then be added to it. If this is successful, we might open it up to the other library staff for them to put in answers to challenging reference questions, serve as a depository for library policies, and other things the library staff might want to have access to. The key is to make it relevant to the library staff so people will use it. Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Chad Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:33 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries I'm going to have to side with John here. Wiki's are interesting tools, but there really isn't any great reason to use a wiki for FAQ's or policy pages unless you want to let users write your FAQ's and policies for you. And I've often contemplated the utility of this along the same lines as John; i.e. do they (users) really care enough for this to attractive to anyone but librarians...IMHO this isn't necessarily a "build it and they will come" type thing. Even on the linked Univ of Ohio examples, it doesn't appear to allow user-generated content...I'm not sure what the real advantage is (other than being able to say you used a wiki to accomplish it). Maybe I'm missing something? In general, the utility of wiki's and blogs in library literature and conferences seems vastly overdone, to a fault even. A simple web page that's laid out correctly with CSS-styled definition lists or unordered lists will work just as well without having to install anything on a server somewhere. As long as you take the time to build a maintenance-friendly page with XHTML markup Chad E. Hutchens Electronic Resources Librarian Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 (406) 994-4313 phone (406) 994-2851 fax chutchens@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Loy Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:00 PM To: Mark Robertson Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Mark, It sounds like you've got a solution looking for a problem. Would your library users really want to contribute to a Library wiki? Would they care enough to take the time? What's in it for them? Also, most of the publishing uses you mention don't seem to require collaboration and could easily be realized without a wiki; by almost any web page/content management tool, in fact. -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. > Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library > website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can > anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this > purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject > pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > Scott Library - York University > (416) 736-2100 x33526 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. 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Nina -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:08 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Nina McHale wrote: > Take a look at Chad Boeninger's Biz Wiki at Ohio University for an > intersting example of a wiki-powered subject guide: > > http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php/Main_Page With the exception of seven spammers who were immediately blocked, I see only one user editing this site in the last year, http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/index.php?title=Special:Re centchanges&limit=700&days=600 So even if the software makes this website a wiki, it doesn't really provide any "public wiki experience". I'd like to know of any examples that do. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From eric at openly.com Sat Oct 14 02:11:13 2006 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Sat Oct 14 02:11:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I hire people to do programming I look for an aesthetic sense and for pride of craftsmanship. I don't give people stupid tests, I look at things they've done and want to show me. I avoid candidates with resumes full of lists of technologies, I look for people who are engrossed in problems and their solutions. Also, don't forget to consider training of pre-programmer library staff as an alternative. One of the favorite sayings of my freshman year computer science professor was that it was easier to teach a ______ programming than it was to teach a programmer ________. Although you probably know a lot of librarians who could never do programming, there are as many programmers who could never be librarians. Good luck! Eric -- Eric Hellman, Director OCLC Openly Informatics Division eric@openly.com 2 Broad St., Suite 208 tel 1-973-509-7800 fax 1-734-468-6216 Bloomfield, NJ 07003 http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Oct 14 09:53:57 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Sat Oct 14 09:54:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061014135405.6DAE56512@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> > I'm going to have to side with John here. Wiki's are interesting tools, > but there really isn't any great reason to use a wiki for FAQ's or > policy pages unless you want to let users write your FAQ's and policies > for you. ... "Wiki" is not a synonym for a website anyone can edit; most support levels of permissions. For the most part I've agreed with the people on this thread who said the original post sounded like a solution in need of a problem. But a wiki that is open to a limited community, such as a library team, can be valuable for a number of purposes, from subject guides to policies, procedures, style manuals, FAQs, etc. In fact a wiki is a good format for procedures and policies because you can track history and discussion; and most wikis support RSS feeds that make it easy to track when a wiki has been updated. (This does make me wonder whether in Mediawiki history and discussion pages can be suppressed for some communities.) My main beef with wikis is that they are not quite as easy to edit as they should be. They generally require learning a localized command language. It may not be a complex command language, but it's one more thing to learn. Compare with your typical blog, which is very easy to compose content in. I also suspect the libraries that have moved to blog-managed websites from "a simple web page that's laid out correctly with CSS-styled definition lists or unordered lists" have traveled a route from funneling all changes through one person to distributing the work in ways that are ultimately "simpler" than centralized control (and again, some blogs, such as Wordpress and Movable Type, support levels of permissions). Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From campbell at portland.lib.me.us Sat Oct 14 12:07:43 2006 From: campbell at portland.lib.me.us (Sarah Campbell) Date: Sat Oct 14 12:16:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] automated response Message-ID: <10610141207.AA00268@www.portland.lib.me.us> I will be out of the office until October 19th. Please feel free to contact Jen Alvino at 871-1700 x733 or alvino@portland.lib.me.us in my absence. You may also contact Library Administration at x755. I will respond to your email when I return. Thank you, -Sarah From markr at yorku.ca Sat Oct 14 15:04:51 2006 From: markr at yorku.ca (Mark Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 14 15:05:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <20061014135405.6DAE56512@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <20061014135405.6DAE56512@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <453134D3.1020203@yorku.ca> I'm the original poster who asked about the use of wikis on library websites. Probably my original post did make it sound like a "solution in search of a problem" as some have said. My question arises from a realization that there are new "genres" of web writing which may open up new horizons (new services, resources, or ways to engage with our users) for our library websites. I guess I was trying to find out if any best practices are emerging in terms of the use of wikis on library websites. If there is a issue our library is hoping to address in considering wikis, it is the issue of how to engage more with our users and make our website more responsive to our users' needs. Obviously there are lots of ways to do this. My question was to find out if patterns of success are emerging in the way libraries are using wikis to achieve this goal. Mark Robertson Reference Librarian York University Toronto, Canada K.G. Schneider wrote: >> I'm going to have to side with John here. Wiki's are interesting tools, >> but there really isn't any great reason to use a wiki for FAQ's or >> policy pages unless you want to let users write your FAQ's and policies >> for you. ... >> > > "Wiki" is not a synonym for a website anyone can edit; most support levels > of permissions. > > For the most part I've agreed with the people on this thread who said the > original post sounded like a solution in need of a problem. But a wiki that > is open to a limited community, such as a library team, can be valuable for > a number of purposes, from subject guides to policies, procedures, style > manuals, FAQs, etc. In fact a wiki is a good format for procedures and > policies because you can track history and discussion; and most wikis > support RSS feeds that make it easy to track when a wiki has been updated. > (This does make me wonder whether in Mediawiki history and discussion pages > can be suppressed for some communities.) > > My main beef with wikis is that they are not quite as easy to edit as they > should be. They generally require learning a localized command language. It > may not be a complex command language, but it's one more thing to learn. > Compare with your typical blog, which is very easy to compose content in. > > I also suspect the libraries that have moved to blog-managed websites from > "a simple web page that's laid out correctly with CSS-styled definition > lists or unordered lists" have traveled a route from funneling all changes > through one person to distributing the work in ways that are ultimately > "simpler" than centralized control (and again, some blogs, such as Wordpress > and Movable Type, support levels of permissions). > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Sun Oct 15 10:05:43 2006 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Ranti Junus) Date: Sun Oct 15 10:05:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <453134D3.1020203@yorku.ca> References: <20061014135405.6DAE56512@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> <453134D3.1020203@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <45324037.4050602@mail.lib.msu.edu> We're experimenting on using wiki for our state-wide project, the Making of Modern Michigan (http://mmm.lib.msu.edu). It's still under "beta" testing even though it's already more than one year. We use the typical wiki practice: open for everybody to participate. Not too many community members actively participate using this interface, so quality control/quality assurance from our part is minimal. As for our students/faculty/staff users, I don't know what kind of service that best served by a wiki. Most of our services are in the "spoon-fed" fashion. :-) The library service that involves our users (beside our Ask a Librarian service), AFAIK, is suggesting a material to be purchased for our collection; that's done through a web-based form. thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus, Web Services Michigan State University Libraries East Lansing, MI 48824 +1.517.432.6123 x231 Mark Robertson wrote: > I'm the original poster who asked about the use of wikis on library > websites. Probably my original post did make it sound like a "solution > in search of a problem" as some have said. My question arises from a > realization that there are new "genres" of web writing which may open up > new horizons (new services, resources, or ways to engage with our users) > for our library websites. I guess I was trying to find out if any best > practices are emerging in terms of the use of wikis on library > websites. If there is a issue our library is hoping to address in > considering wikis, it is the issue of how to engage more with our users > and make our website more responsive to our users' needs. Obviously > there are lots of ways to do this. My question was to find out if > patterns of success are emerging in the way libraries are using wikis to > achieve this goal. > > Mark Robertson > Reference Librarian > York University > Toronto, Canada > From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Sun Oct 15 16:11:16 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Sun Oct 15 16:11:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23b83f160610151311t41dbda79mf58c748737cb1a7f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/14/06, Eric Hellman wrote: > When I hire people to do programming I look for an aesthetic sense > and for pride of craftsmanship. I don't give people stupid tests, I > look at things they've done and want to show me. I avoid candidates > with resumes full of lists of technologies, I look for people who are > engrossed in problems and their solutions. I can't begin to express how wise I think this approach is. I see all too often departments try to quiz the specific skills of an individual, or develop elaborate tests to see the programming knowledge of a person -- and this is really missing the point. Incredibly strong in a language does not make a good developer; Eric mentions the aesthetics and I would like to add vision to the pile. These skills are /much, much/ more important than clean code, because experience will lead to cleaner code, vision to see a larger picture cannot. Just the communication piece of the interview should let you know if this is a person you want solving your development problems. Besides, my guess is that you can't pay enough to get a person that would test well and have the aesthetic element, honestly. -Ross. From Linda_M.Schwartz at lvh.com Mon Oct 16 08:17:30 2006 From: Linda_M.Schwartz at lvh.com (Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com) Date: Mon Oct 16 08:20:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <00000000016EA7A200000000041B86230000@lvh.com> Karen's posting on wikis and particularly the point about having to learn a specific set of coding in order to use them is one that I've encountered before. Check out SeedWiki -- www.seedwiki.com for a WYSIWYG wiki that uses the familiar word processing icons instead of having to learn any coding at all. Those with HTML skills, however, can also use it. Linda Linda Matula Schwartz, MDE Library Information Specialist Lehigh Valley Hospital -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- ================================================================= Please note that if you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-Mail and delete all copies of the original message. From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Oct 16 08:52:08 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Oct 16 08:52:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <45322A4E.6070407@cornell.edu> Message-ID: <20061016125219.162628873@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> On a separate point, following up a brief off-list discussion, I do think there is room for employing a technology when you aren't entirely sure what the benefits are. That's how MPOW got an RSS feed, and at 23,000+ Bloglines subscribers today, and a significant bump in site usage, it was a worthy experiment. I had a student (hi Jon!) who had the time for a project like that; I wasn't sure if RSS was here to stay (I wasn't even really sure what it *was*), but the investment was modest, and the outcome a bazillion times over worth it. Every deployment has its elements of a gamble. You can be confident something will be a big hit, and it fizzles. Something that seems like a fad turns out to become central to your services. Or you install a product to do X but it turns out to be only ok for X but surprisingly fabulous for Y and Z, which you had not at all considered in advance. I also got on a side discussion at a preconference I did last week where I repeated a question a librarian had posed about a service they were providing-a service this librarian thought very worthy-that they worried was a "fad." Most of what we think of as fads are trends or phases. Look at gopher. It had three years in the sun (spring '91 to 94-ish) before the Web clobbered it. But how many librarians used gopher to help users? And how many librarians "got on board" because gopher was easier than fiddle-faddling with a series of clumsy clients? Even the most faddish of software-think of Orkut-may have got people thinking about networking and exchanging information online in new ways. (I started an Orkut group for my alma mater, then forgot all about it. It had almost 100 members when I logged in to Orkut a couple of weeks ago for the first time-and probably the last-in ages.) Anyway, it's Monday and the work pile beckons, but I wanted to throw that in the mix. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From sleblanc at bank-banque-canada.ca Mon Oct 16 09:37:22 2006 From: sleblanc at bank-banque-canada.ca (Suzanne LeBlanc - CS) Date: Mon Oct 16 09:39:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] policies for blogs Message-ID: <611CFD03EE1CC54BBB46E96AAAD664980B69E670@BOC-EXMAIL1.bocad.bank-banque-canada.ca> You might want to consult the following book published by AMACOM in 2006 by Nancy Flynn entitled "Blog rules: a business guide to managing policy, public relations, and legal issues". There is an example of IBM's blog policy. Suzanne LeBlanc Enterprise Meta Data Standards Analyst/Analyste du programme de normes relatives aux m?tadonn?es Bank of Canada/Banque du Canada 234 Wellington St./234, rue Wellington Ottawa, Ont. 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Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires d?sign?s est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer imm?diatement et envoyer sans d?lai ? l'exp?diteur un message ?lectronique pour l'aviser que vous avez ?limin? de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel re?u. From dkaplan at brandeis.edu Mon Oct 16 09:54:57 2006 From: dkaplan at brandeis.edu (Deborah Kaplan) Date: Mon Oct 16 09:55:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] test ideas for web job candidates In-Reply-To: <23b83f160610151311t41dbda79mf58c748737cb1a7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Ross Singer wrote: > On 10/14/06, Eric Hellman wrote: > > When I hire people to do programming I look for an aesthetic sense > > and for pride of craftsmanship. I don't give people stupid tests, I > > look at things they've done and want to show me. I avoid candidates > > with resumes full of lists of technologies, I look for people who are > > engrossed in problems and their solutions. > > I can't begin to express how wise I think this approach is. I see all > too often departments try to quiz the specific skills of an > individual, or develop elaborate tests to see the programming > knowledge of a person -- and this is really missing the point. > Incredibly strong in a language does not make a good developer; Eric > mentions the aesthetics and I would like to add vision to the pile. > These skills are /much, much/ more important than clean code, because > experience will lead to cleaner code, vision to see a larger picture > cannot. I have to disagree with this, it least if your programmer is doing anything more complex than writing HTML/CSS with a little bit of JavaScript animations. A good programming test isn't to see whether or not your programmer knows how to do something specific in C or Java -- it's always easy to teach a programmer a new language. It's to see whether or not your programmer knows the basic principles of writing efficient code. Does she understand how to parse all the items in the database that's being searched without creating a massive memory leak? Does she know how to run her search in an efficient fashion, or know the pros and cons of hash tables? None of this has to be in any particular programming language -- a programmer can talk you through these processes in English and you will still learn that she is good at her job. I also disagree with the sentiment that it is easier to teach a non-programmer programming than a programmer something new. You can teach anybody how to write "hello world" in Prolog, Ada, or the language of your choice. But to teach somebody how to write efficient, fast, non-memory-leaking code is much more difficult. In exactly the same way that anybody can look at a book and say "I think this book is about dogs!", but learning cataloging and classification is a trained skill. All that being said, if what you want is simple webpages with HTML/CSS and a few simple animations, than you don't need fast and efficient code. You ABSOLUTELY still need somebody who understands the basic principles of usability and accessibility knows how to code to them. But if you are doing something complex, then I respectfully disagree with the previous posters who have referred to programming tests as "stupid". Anybody can BS competent programming in an interview where just talk about problem solving, but a question such as "how would you solve this simple problem in pseudocode" reveals an enormous amount about whether or not the person you are speaking to is actually comfortable with computers. Deborah Kaplan From SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us Mon Oct 16 10:15:37 2006 From: SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us (SUSAN HANSEN) Date: Mon Oct 16 10:11:30 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Thank you for test ideas for candidates Message-ID: THANK YOU so much for all the great responses on testing web job candidates. There were some wonderful pros/cons. I appreciated all the ideas of what to look for. Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 From lars at aronsson.se Mon Oct 16 12:29:24 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Mon Oct 16 12:29:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <00000000016EA7A200000000041B86230000@lvh.com> References: <00000000016EA7A200000000041B86230000@lvh.com> Message-ID: Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com wrote: > Check out SeedWiki -- www.seedwiki.com for a WYSIWYG wiki that > uses the familiar word processing icons instead of having to > learn any coding at all. The frequency of this argument is a sadness. It's like mounting handrails 2 ft above the floor everywhere, because toddlers who are just learning to walk would find that helpful. Well, the rest of us wouldn't, and we honestly hope (but perhaps in vain) that the toddlers will soon reach a higher level. So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From leo at leoklein.com Mon Oct 16 12:49:14 2006 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Mon Oct 16 12:49:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: References: <00000000016EA7A200000000041B86230000@lvh.com> Message-ID: <4533B80A.5060307@leoklein.com> Lars Aronsson wrote: > Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com wrote: > >> Check out SeedWiki -- www.seedwiki.com for a WYSIWYG wiki that >> uses the familiar word processing icons instead of having to >> learn any coding at all. > > The frequency of this argument is a sadness. It's like mounting > handrails 2 ft above the floor everywhere, because toddlers who > are just learning to walk would find that helpful. Well, the rest > of us wouldn't, and we honestly hope (but perhaps in vain) that > the toddlers will soon reach a higher level. > > So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the > toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to > achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be > held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? I'm probably misunderstanding the issue -- wouldn't be the first time -- but I think the lesson is, don't make the price of using a system having to learn code. I mean, what's so exceptional about a Wiki that you should have to learn code for it one way or the other? LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Oct 16 12:55:05 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Oct 16 12:55:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061016165517.DF3026395@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> > The frequency of this argument is a sadness. It's like mounting > handrails 2 ft above the floor everywhere, because toddlers who > are just learning to walk would find that helpful. Well, the rest > of us wouldn't, and we honestly hope (but perhaps in vain) that > the toddlers will soon reach a higher level. This is an interesting example, because it's a case where mounting handrails wouldn't bother any of us who can already walk, and yet it might be useful for toddlers-and for the rest of society. Since toddlers have far more free time than most of us, perhaps we could enlist them to do more chores-buy groceries, perhaps, or those walk-in banking tasks that are such a bother. > So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the > toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to > achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be > held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? Initially I made the point that wiki command language is usually not be difficult to learn, but it's an obstacle. You still have to learn it, or guess at it, or suss it out one way or the other, and to no real purpose. It's as if the stop signs in the neighboring town were round and green instead of octagonal and red. Would your life be better off for storing one more useless bit of knowledge? I'd personally like more storage space in my brain for things that matter. There is no advantage to encumbering life with yet another list of pointless command language. It was handy at the time to know which keys were the shortcuts for Enable's pull-down menus, but it didn't enrich my life in any meaningful way. Smart people design simple systems. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From CAGimon at mplib.org Mon Oct 16 12:59:58 2006 From: CAGimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Mon Oct 16 13:00:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC301C1FDA4@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> > Smart people design simple systems. Of course, the irony is that the "handrails" in question are probably going to be used to bold, italicize, underline, and do a variety of chrome and fancy formatting that isn't really necessary. If people would allow their words to speak for themselves, a lot of the complexity would fall away. (For that matter, if everyone would send e-mails in plain text, a whole lot of viruses would disappear overnight.) --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Oct 16 13:16:37 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Oct 16 13:16:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC301C1FDA4@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> Message-ID: <20061016171648.C128314E33@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> > Of course, the irony is that the "handrails" in question are probably > going to be used to bold, italicize, underline, and do a variety of > chrome and fancy formatting that isn't really necessary. You know, you really need to speak to Joan Didion, because I just plucked "The White Album" off my bookshelf and flipped through it. It's rife with italics, and those chapter headings are all different sizes. There are times when I suspect her of inserting an additional space between paragraphs. If only she knew how to write! In any event, if it's not necessary, then don't use it, but there's nothing heroic about life in the lower registers of the character sets, nor is there anything wrong with merging the visual with the textual. Just ask George Herbert (or Alison Bechdel). Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From CAGimon at mplib.org Mon Oct 16 13:20:21 2006 From: CAGimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Mon Oct 16 13:21:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC301C1FDA5@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> Heh. When Joan Didion gets hired here and writes a new Circ Manual, I'll take those words to heart! --Charles "UTF-8" Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library >> Of course, the irony is that the "handrails" in question are probably >> going to be used to bold, italicize, underline, and do a variety of >> chrome and fancy formatting that isn't really necessary. > You know, you really need to speak to Joan Didion, because I just plucked "The White Album" off my bookshelf and flipped > through it. It's rife with italics, and those chapter headings are all different sizes. There are times when I suspect > her of inserting an additional space between paragraphs. If only she knew how to write! > In any event, if it's not necessary, then don't use it, but there's nothing heroic about life in the lower registers of > the character sets, nor is there anything wrong with merging the visual with the textual. Just ask George Herbert (or > Alison Bechdel). From Linda_M.Schwartz at lvh.com Mon Oct 16 13:53:02 2006 From: Linda_M.Schwartz at lvh.com (Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com) Date: Mon Oct 16 13:57:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <00000000016EA7A200000000041BC30F0000@lvh.com> The answer is wikis designed for the masses. Check out www.seedwiki.com for a WYSIWYG wiki that uses the familiar word processing icons for editing although those with HTML skills are free to use those as well. Linda Linda Matula Schwartz, MDE Library Information Specialist Lehigh Valley Hospital ================================================================= Please note that if you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-Mail and delete all copies of the original message. From tomkeays at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 14:09:00 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Mon Oct 16 14:09:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> References: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610161109i5d58cf0crcc5920e07ed69f57@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/06, K.G. Schneider wrote: > Initially I made the point that wiki command language is usually not be > difficult to learn, but it's an obstacle. You still have to learn it, or > guess at it, or suss it out one way or the other, and to no real purpose. On one hand, I agree. I use Dokuwiki, which has a fairly easy syntax, but I use MarkDown in my blog. So, I downloaded the MarkDown plugin for Dokuwiki and now I have have a great wiki and a great syntax. Why let the syntax stand in my way? But, on the other hand, I also disagree. When I was training a group I'm involved with to use a wiki I set up, I showed them the basic syntax for formatting. But I also said that if they just typed in content and didn't bother with formatting, that was ok too. Somebody else will come along (quite possibly me) and pretty it all up. And replying to the original post... On 10/13/06, Mark Robertson wrote: > Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. > Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library > website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can anyone > suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this > purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject > pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? Here are a few outstanding examples: Oregon State Library Confluence Wiki http://wiki.library.oregonstate.edu/confluence/dashboard.action "Confluence is the enterprise wiki designed to make it easy for you and your team to share information with each other, and with the world." Antioch University training wiki http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/antioch_university_new_england_library_staff_training_and_support_wiki/ They use it as a training site for their staff. It is the SeedWiki technology, which uses a WYSIWYG editor and thus avoids the syntax problem altogether. It is really quite impressive. SUNYLA New Tech Wiki http://sunylanewtechwiki.pbwiki.com/ "This wiki is a place for all SUNY libraries to look to see how their colleagues in SUNY are using blogs, RSS, Instant Messaging, wikis, tags and other technologies to enhance their interaction with their patrons." Library Success: A Best Practices Wiki http://www.libsuccess.org/ "This wiki was created to be a one-stop-shop for great ideas and information for all types of librarians. All over the world, librarians are developing successful programs and doing innovative things with technology that no one outside of their library knows about. ... If you've done something at your library that you consider a success, please write about it in the wiki or provide a link to outside coverage. If you have materials that would be helpful to other librarians, add them to the wiki. And if you know of a librarian or a library that is doing something great, feel free to include information about it or links to it." -- Tom From ssalomone at metro.org Mon Oct 16 15:01:33 2006 From: ssalomone at metro.org (Susan Salomone) Date: Mon Oct 16 15:21:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] New METRO Job Magnet Posting: Information Architect (Yeshiva University) Message-ID: <00aa01c6f155$80df2660$0200a8c0@desktop> Please excuse cross-postings. This message is being posted to multiple lists. ? Yeshiva University recently posted a METRO Job Magnet announcement for an Information Architect. The METRO Job Magnet is the online career center and job bank maintained by the Metropolitan New York Library Council (www.metro.org). For more information about the position and the application process, please see the announcement at http://metrojobs.metro.org?a=j&ID=5BNQYTEHMF. ? Other jobs and RSS subscription information may be found by visiting the METRO Job Magnet home page at http://www.vv-vv.com/metro/. Please note that the RSS feed is now at http://mercury.metro.org/rss/AK5B-latestposting.xml. ? Susan Salomone ssalomone@metro.org METRO Job Magnet Project Manager Metropolitan New York Library Council (New York, New York) From eden at library.ucsb.edu Mon Oct 16 15:59:45 2006 From: eden at library.ucsb.edu (Brad Eden) Date: Mon Oct 16 15:59:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for articles: Library management and finance Message-ID: <4533E4B1.400@library.ucsb.edu> Please excuse duplication. Please forward to interested colleagues and other listservs. /The Bottom Line: Managing Library Finances/ is looking for new articles in the coverage areas indicated below. The editor is also looking for regular columnists who can speak to the issues and background of the journal indicated below. Please directly contact the editor if you are interested in contributing. Thank you. Dr. Brad Eden Associate University Librarian for Technical Services and Scholarly Communication University of California, Santa Barbara eden@library.ucsb.edu __________________________________________________________________________ *Unique Attributes * Written by professionals for professionals. Offering hints and tips that can be adopted and adapted in all libraries. *Topicality * Because /The Bottom Line: Managing Library Finances/ is written and edited by well respected figures from the librarian community - you can be assured the topics covered will be particularly relevant to you and your library.* * *Key Benefits * If you are concerned about how to manage your library finances then this journal represents an essential management tool for information professionals such as yourself. Each issue is packed with in-depth articles related to the financial management of libraries, which in turn help you manage your library effectively.* * *Key Journal Audiences * * senior librarians in academic, public and company libraries * library personnel * library schools * consultants *Coverage * * Quality editorial on fundraising * Economics affecting libraries * Brief notes about grants, taxes and levies * Internet connections * Business trends * Outsourcing library functions *The Bottom Line is Indexed and Abstracted in*: * BUBL * Current Awareness Abstracts * Emerald Management Reviews * Information Management & Technology Abstracts * The Informed Librarian * Library & Information Science Abstracts (LISA) * Library Literature and Information Science From snb at uoregon.edu Mon Oct 16 16:36:36 2006 From: snb at uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Mon Oct 16 16:36:40 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job announcement (University of Oregon): Assistant Director, Library Systems Message-ID: <4533ED54.5030206@uoregon.edu> The University of Oregon Libraries seeks an innovative, service-oriented, and technically strong colleague for the position of Assistant Director, Library Systems. The person in this position works with a wide array of technologies to support major projects and initiatives for the library and helps develop the library?s technology roadmap. Responsibilities include: leadership, project management, and technical support of all microcomputers, servers and other networked services and resources used by Library patrons and staff. Researches, recommends and implements new technologies in complex production environments. Plays a lead role in designing, implementing and maintaining technologies and digital storage for digital library services, and participates in library initiatives to identify appropriate technologies and resources. Supervises 4.0 FTE support staff. Reports to the Director of Library Systems. For complete description, see: http://libweb.uoregon.edu/admnpers/asstdirsystems.html. Qualifications: Required: BS/BA degree; excellent analytical customer service, and oral and written communication skills; experience supporting large numbers of Windows XP and Macintosh microcomputers and application software; experience administering Windows and Linux servers and supporting Active Directory; demonstrated ability to work productively on cross-departmental teams; demonstrated ability to work independently and to collaborate effectively with staff at all levels and with people of diverse backgrounds. Salary: $50,000 minimum. Generous benefits. Application deadline: Nov. 3, 2006. To apply: Send Word or pdf attachments via e-mail and include the following: cover letter, resume, and names, addresses, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses of four references (one of whom must be indicated as your most current supervisor) to: Laine Stambaugh, lastamba@uoregon.edu. Hard copy follow-up documents with signature should be mailed to: Ms. Laine Stambaugh, Director, Library Human Resources, 1299 University of Oregon Libraries, Eugene, OR 97403-1299. Academic Application Forms may be printed off at http://appointments.uoregon.edu/application.htm, and should be sent with hard copy documentation. AA/EOE, ADA-compliant institution committed to cultural diversity. -- Sara Brownmiller . . . . . . . . . . . University of Oregon Libraries Director, Library Systems . . . . . . . 1299 University of Oregon Women's Studies Librarian . . . . . . . Eugene, OR 97403-1299 snb@uoregon.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . 541-346-2368 (voice) From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Oct 16 17:15:41 2006 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Mon Oct 16 17:15:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Code4Lib 2007 Call for Proposals Message-ID: Call for proposals - Code4lib 2007 We are now accepting proposals for prepared talks for Code4lib 2007. [1] Code4lib 2007 is a loosely structured conference for library technologists to commune, gather/create/share ideas and software, be inspired, and forge collaborations. It is also an outgrowth of the Access HackFest, wrapped into a conference-ish format. It is *the* event for technologists building digital libraries and digital information systems, tools, and software. Code4lib 2007 will be held from February 28 through March 2 in Athens, Georgia. Prepared Talk Information Prepared talks are 20 minutes, and must center on "tools" (some cool new software, software library or integration platform), "specs" (how to get the most out of some protocols, or proposals for new ones), or "challenges" (One or more big problems we should collectively address). We will evaluate proposals on criteria of usefulness, newness, geekiness, and diversity of topics. Prepared talk proposals of 75 words or less are being accepted for review now. Please send your name, email address, and proposal to: code4libcon@georgialibraries.org. We cannot accept every prepared talk proposal, but multiple lightning talk sessions will provide everyone who wishes to present with ample opportunity to show off. Lightning talks are 5-minute presentations that any conference attendee can sign up to present. The proposal deadline is November 13, 2006, and proposers will be notified by November 20, 2006. Voting on the proposals will be public, and held in a similar fashion to SXSW. [2] [1] http://www.code4lib.org/2007 [2] http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/panel_picker/ Roy Tennant From havensa at oclc.org Mon Oct 16 18:56:20 2006 From: havensa at oclc.org (Havens,Andy) Date: Mon Oct 16 18:56:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> Message-ID: In a previous life, I did quite a bit of research into wikis for some clients I was consulting for. The issue of not having a WYSIWYG interface was, frankly, a show-stopper for this particular audience. It's not that they wanted to do anything spectacular, but they did want control over some very basic table editing and formatting, and the folks who were paying for the wiki set-up needed to know that the "content creation audience" would have next-to-no issues with the UI. So off I went looking for the perfect wiki with WYSIWYG capabilities. Seedwiki has been mentioned. It does have a decent WYSIWYG editor, but its other capabilities are, frankly, limited and I wouldn't be prepared to use it for a medium-to-large scale project. For the money ($10/month for unlimited users and custom domain), I currently recommend www.Editme.com as my #1 choice. It is, however, only a wiki farm (hosted service). You can't put it behind your own firewall. It has the best combination of user/group permissions and editor interface I have seen. You can set up as many groups/user permission structures as you like, make them locked/visible/invisible to each other, and have permissions "follow" from the page on which a new page is created, which is great for setting up a new group, giving them one page, and then letting them go off and do their own thing. You can also, for higher dough plans, map your domain name. For a bit more money, I recommend www.Jotspot.com. Jot is a bit pricier (lowest plan with unlimited users is $69.95/month), but they have a whole mess of "application wiki" plug-ins (http://www.jotspot.com/gallery/). Lots to do; Group Directory, File Cabinet,Blogs, Forums, Group Calendars, Photo Gallerys, Polls, To-Do Lists, Spreadsheets, Project Managers, Call-Log Managers, etc.. Jot is a hosted solution, but for a bunch of dough you can get a box for behind your firewall. If you want to host your own... The options are less interesting. Most Open Source wiki engines, like Media Wiki, are not WYSIWYG, although there are some 3rd party developer plug-ins coming out. Tikiwiki, which has every option under the sun for a wiki/CMS system, uses a WYSIWYG interface for many of its modules... But not the wiki pages, for which it still uses a standard wiki mark-up. It does have, though, frankly every-dang-thing you could possibly want a CMS/wiki to do. Except really good documentation; it's complex and funky. I've built wikis with Editme, Jot, Tikiwiki and Mediawiki (and PBWiki, PHPWiki, Tiddlywiki and a couple other really weird ones). Look for granular and flexible permission structures FIRST. That can come back to haunt you later and be a big pain. Don't poo-poo WYSIWYG if you want your end-users to actually use the thing; nobody likes paired codes. I know how to use them, and I hate them. Hope that helps a bit. - A Andy Havens Manager, Creative Services OCLC Online Computer Library Center www.oclc.org email: havensa@oclc.org phone: 614.764.4326 cell: 614.395.4134 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mark Robertson Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:40 PM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Our library is already using wikis internally for committee work etc. Now we are exploring the issue of how to use wikis on our library website and beyond as a way of collaborating with our users. Can anyone suggest examples of libraries using wikis successfully for this purpose? What seems to work best? - wikis as FAQs? wikis as subject pathfinders? wikis on policies? assignment wikis? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Robertson Reference Librarian Scott Library - York University (416) 736-2100 x33526 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From slknight at eiu.edu Mon Oct 16 22:38:28 2006 From: slknight at eiu.edu (Knight-Davis, Stacey L.) Date: Mon Oct 16 22:36:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Another CMS question Message-ID: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F08F37912@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> I followed the CMS thread with great interest and read more about the products that were recommended. However, I'm still not sure which option is best for my situation. I'm getting ready to spend a lot of time converting about 200 pages in our library's website from a table and image map layout to CSS. When I am done, 8 other librarians and staff will be able to edit these pages and I don't want the pages inadvertently covered in tags or trashed by Word when someone else updates a page. Everyone editing knows basic HTML, but there are only 2 people with CSS experience. I don't want to control the content so much as make sure no one is messing up the code. This is the only site I manage, and another librarian is the admin for the library web server. Because of the number of pages involved, and the number of people editing the site, I am thinking about a CMS. However, I after reading through the documentation for several products, I don't know it there is anything free/cheap that will work. We are running IIS on Windows 2000 Server and have a large number of ASP pages. All of our electronic resources listings, resource guides, and web resources pages run off of Access databases on ASP pages. The home page is also ASP. We have a few FileMaker Pro databases running various local indexes and services. Everyone is very happy with the ASP pages and we don't want to change them, and no one wants to switch the FileMaker stuff to another system either. So, I think I'm asking: 1. Is there a cheap CMS that will let us keep Access and ASP and run on Windows 2000? It looked like Plone would run on Windows, but I couldn't determine what would have to be done with the ASP pages. 2. If there is no cheap CMS solution, what are the recommendations for web editors that are easy to learn and will make working with a style sheet easy? We have several copies of Dreamweaver available, but I haven't had much luck getting people to use it. TinyMCE was interesting, but I don't really need a web-based application if all I'm getting is an editor. Any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated. Stacey Knight-Davis Booth Library Eastern Illinois University http://www.library.eiu.edu slknight@eiu.edu 600 Lincoln Ave. Charleston, IL 61920-3099 217-581-7549 From Conal.Tuohy at vuw.ac.nz Mon Oct 16 23:27:27 2006 From: Conal.Tuohy at vuw.ac.nz (Conal Tuohy) Date: Mon Oct 16 23:27:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Another CMS question Message-ID: Stacey L. Knight-Davis wrote: > 1. Is there a cheap CMS that will let us keep Access and ASP > and run on > Windows 2000? It looked like Plone would run on Windows, but > I couldn't > determine what would have to be done with the ASP pages. My advice would be, yes, use some kind of CMS for your HTML pages rather than letting people edit the HTML directly if you want to retain some QC over the markup (perhaps given the small scale a wiki might be adequate as a CMS). I would recomment too that you don't try to migrate your ASP pages off IIS onto some other platform. At best this would be a lot of work for no gain. Leave IIS there and run your CMS solution under IIS, or else run some other webserver on a different port. OpenWiki runs under IIS - http://openwiki.com/ Regards Con -- Conal Tuohy Senior Programmer conal@nzetc.org New Zealand Electronic Text Centre www.nzetc.org From lars at aronsson.se Tue Oct 17 01:37:22 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Tue Oct 17 01:37:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <4533B80A.5060307@leoklein.com> References: <00000000016EA7A200000000041B86230000@lvh.com> <4533B80A.5060307@leoklein.com> Message-ID: Leo Robert Klein wrote: > I mean, what's so exceptional about a Wiki that you should have > to learn code for it one way or the other? Perhaps you're right and wiki is code. Whether you learn the basic markup or get help from a WYSIWYG interface, the next step involves creating a useful link structure among dozens of pages, and this might just be beyond most people. So should we just leave the wikis to specialist "coders"? Normal users might be able to handle blogs (and readers' comments), where they just push a button and add a new entry, not having to think about link structure. This would certainly put Wikipedia's writers in a different perspective. For one thing, we must curb our enthusiasm of wikis as "democratic" knowledge bases, where everybody can edit. Average users could be given the chance to attach blog-like comments which can later be edited into the wiki structure by the information specialists (= librarians). -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From lars at aronsson.se Tue Oct 17 02:43:32 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Tue Oct 17 03:54:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <60a2c0c00610161109i5d58cf0crcc5920e07ed69f57@mail.gmail.com> References: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> <60a2c0c00610161109i5d58cf0crcc5920e07ed69f57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tom Keays wrote: > Here are a few outstanding examples: > "Confluence is the enterprise wiki designed to make it easy for you All over your examples I read "designed to..." but to what degree have they actually been successful in involving more than an elite in active wiki collaboration? In any given population, what is the largest percentage that anybody has been able to convert to active wiki contributors? We know that literacy can reach 98 or 99 percent. The businessmen's club in my region complained (now in 2006) they could only reach 80 percent of their members by e-mail. They don't know how to convince the remaining 20 percent to use e-mail, so they still have to send out information in envelopes. This includes 55-year old plumbers in rural areas, and the club sees this as a failure. On the other hand, something like 98 percent have cell phones. Is it possible in any population to reach more than 5 percent wiki fluency? How much of a difference does WYSIWYG really do? Talking of elites, the Swedish society of encyclopedia collectors now has five members and they aim to become nine, which would be one for each million inhabitants. I don't know if I would qualify as the sixth member. I only have a dozen encyclopedias or so. The current members have more than 200 encyclopedias each. There are some nice pictures if you click "5 bilder" at http://www.corren.se/archive/2006/10/15/iwkjr9vgl8nwjmz.xml -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From jakob.voss at gbv.de Tue Oct 17 04:43:51 2006 From: jakob.voss at gbv.de (Jakob Voss) Date: Tue Oct 17 04:43:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Code4Lib 2007 Call for Proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453497C7.1050603@gbv.de> Roy Tennant wrote: > Call for proposals - Code4lib 2007 > > We are now accepting proposals for prepared talks for Code4lib 2007. [1] You're lucky, I wish we had a similar event in Europe. Have you had any participants from old Europa (and Asia) last year? I was at the ECDL (European Conference on Research and Advanced Technology for Digital Libraries) and there were some fruitful workshops and interesting results, but in general it is more scientific-orientated and just too large and expensive. Code4Lib seems to be much more practical, isn't it? Do you see chances for a Code4lib in Europa? We have Talis in UK, brilliant PICA developers in the netherlands, ExLibris in Israel (although my impression of ExLibris is that they are pretty reserved and more top-down-business-orientated), and a strong Open Archive movement, I'd like to have a real meeting of developers where we can openly discuss without all the scientists that lack in practical relevance and all the library politicians and businessmen that don't understand the spirit of sharing but only want to promote their company or products. Well, I'm dreaming, am I not? :-) Greetings, Jakob Voss From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Tue Oct 17 07:50:43 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Tue Oct 17 07:50:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Code4Lib 2007 Call for Proposals In-Reply-To: <453497C7.1050603@gbv.de> References: <453497C7.1050603@gbv.de> Message-ID: <23b83f160610170450t11a9b248r9ff36f8a5017330b@mail.gmail.com> Jakob, Although I don't know if such a conference currently exists in Europe, I think you could find a lot of interest (I can think of people from England, Germany, Denmark, Italy and the Netherlands off the top of my head that would most likely attend such an event) if you wanted to organize something similar. We have had some interest in holding a Code4lib in Europe, but (and I speak for myself and not Code4lib, here) I think the logistics (and cost) make that fairly unlikely in the near future. We did have attendees from Europe and Asia last year, but not many. It would be nice to have more Pan-Atlantic/Pan-Pacific cross-pollinization of ideas and energy and while holding a separate event in Europe or Asia (or Australia, Africa or S. America) won't do much to help that, pragmatically it makes more sense to just start doing /something/ now. So, nerd-conferences, be fruitful and multiply! -Ross. On 10/17/06, Jakob Voss wrote: > Roy Tennant wrote: > > > Call for proposals - Code4lib 2007 > > > > We are now accepting proposals for prepared talks for Code4lib 2007. [1] > > You're lucky, I wish we had a similar event in Europe. Have you had any > participants from old Europa (and Asia) last year? I was at the ECDL > (European Conference on Research and Advanced Technology for Digital > Libraries) and there were some fruitful workshops and interesting > results, but in general it is more scientific-orientated and just too > large and expensive. > > Code4Lib seems to be much more practical, isn't it? Do you see chances > for a Code4lib in Europa? We have Talis in UK, brilliant PICA developers > in the netherlands, ExLibris in Israel (although my impression of > ExLibris is that they are pretty reserved and more > top-down-business-orientated), and a strong Open Archive movement, > > I'd like to have a real meeting of developers where we can openly > discuss without all the scientists that lack in practical relevance and > all the library politicians and businessmen that don't understand the > spirit of sharing but only want to promote their company or products. > > Well, I'm dreaming, am I not? :-) > > Greetings, > Jakob Voss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From bennetttm at appstate.edu Tue Oct 17 08:29:17 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Tue Oct 17 08:47:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Another CMS question In-Reply-To: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F08F37912@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> References: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F08F37912@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> Message-ID: <200610170829.17123.bennetttm@appstate.edu> To use Plone you would have to convert the ASP pages to Zope Page Template syntax for use with database access, although you could probably still use your Access Database with a Zope ODBC database adapter which I understand is cheap and worth the money if you go that route with mxodbc by egenix. The structure of a Plone site (look and feel) is completely controled by CSS and there is easy access to those CSS pages to allow you to customize them for your own look and feel. On the other hand, I did a quick google on 'ASP pages to Plone' and found ASPBite a content management system for IIS. http://www.aspbite.com/aspbite/categories/index.asp From their site: "ASPBite is a FREE comprehensive, modular ASP application which deals with memberships, categories (content management), news, articles, uploads, downloads etc. Its easy to use and highly rated. With basic IT knowhow you can have a very capable website in minutes!" June 2004 Coverdisc, supporting a 5 page featured masterclass on ASPBite v7. You may want to look at that for IIS CMS, I don't know anything about just saw it from google. From the results of that same search I also found from the SourceForge Email Archive: plone-users: "Running asp side by side is possible, using a transparent redirect such as Apache, pound (I think), or Enfold"s proxy product (http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/EEP/Features). You could also redirect with simple links from one server to the other, using similar URLs (www1 and www2 for example). I am using Enfold"s version of plone (Enfold Enterprise Server), which has been packaged nicely and integrated with Windows, primarily to ensure support exists for our Intranet in case I am hit by a bus (I am in a nearly all windows shop), but also because they have done some integration work that I value. It may be of value to you as well." This may be useful if you don't need all ASP pages controlled by a CMS. Thomas On Monday 16 October 2006 22:38, Knight-Davis, Stacey L. wrote: > I followed the CMS thread with great interest and read more about the > products that were recommended. However, I'm still not sure which > option is best for my situation. > > I'm getting ready to spend a lot of time converting about 200 pages in > our library's website from a table and image map layout to CSS. When I > am done, 8 other librarians and staff will be able to edit these pages > and I don't want the pages inadvertently covered in tags or > trashed by Word when someone else updates a page. Everyone editing > knows basic HTML, but there are only 2 people with CSS experience. I > don't want to control the content so much as make sure no one is messing > up the code. This is the only site I manage, and another librarian is > the admin for the library web server. > > Because of the number of pages involved, and the number of people > editing the site, I am thinking about a CMS. However, I after reading > through the documentation for several products, I don't know it there is > anything free/cheap that will work. We are running IIS on Windows 2000 > Server and have a large number of ASP pages. All of our electronic > resources listings, resource guides, and web resources pages run off of > Access databases on ASP pages. The home page is also ASP. We have a > few FileMaker Pro databases running various local indexes and services. > Everyone is very happy with the ASP pages and we don't want to change > them, and no one wants to switch the FileMaker stuff to another system > either. > > So, I think I'm asking: > > 1. Is there a cheap CMS that will let us keep Access and ASP and run on > Windows 2000? It looked like Plone would run on Windows, but I couldn't > determine what would have to be done with the ASP pages. > > 2. If there is no cheap CMS solution, what are the recommendations for > web editors that are easy to learn and will make working with a style > sheet easy? We have several copies of Dreamweaver available, but I > haven't had much luck getting people to use it. TinyMCE was > interesting, but I don't really need a web-based application if all I'm > getting is an editor. > > Any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Stacey Knight-Davis > Booth Library > Eastern Illinois University > http://www.library.eiu.edu > slknight@eiu.edu > > 600 Lincoln Ave. > Charleston, IL 61920-3099 > 217-581-7549 > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Oct 17 09:11:18 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Oct 17 09:11:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4AF7E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Nothing like techie snobbery! -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:29 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com wrote: > Check out SeedWiki -- www.seedwiki.com for a WYSIWYG wiki that > uses the familiar word processing icons instead of having to > learn any coding at all. The frequency of this argument is a sadness. It's like mounting handrails 2 ft above the floor everywhere, because toddlers who are just learning to walk would find that helpful. Well, the rest of us wouldn't, and we honestly hope (but perhaps in vain) that the toddlers will soon reach a higher level. So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From jaf30 at cornell.edu Tue Oct 17 10:34:47 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Tue Oct 17 10:34:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <00000000016EA7A200000000041BC30F0000@lvh.com> References: <00000000016EA7A200000000041BC30F0000@lvh.com> Message-ID: <4534EA07.8010808@cornell.edu> Linda_M.Schwartz@lvh.com wrote: > The answer is wikis designed for the masses. Check out www.seedwiki.com for > a WYSIWYG wiki that uses the familiar word processing icons for editing > although those with HTML skills are free to use those as well. > > As I mentioned before, Confluence uses a WYSIWYG editor for it's wiki. The "familiar word processing icons" actually caused a bit of confusion for one our our users. Because the familiar icons made the editor look somewhat like a MS Word editor, one user assumed she could cut-n-paste right out of word and that the editor would maintain the formatting/style that she had applied in her word document. I took a quick look at Seedwiki and viewing the source showed that it uses the FCKedit rich text editor. I noticed that the rich text editing area has a full complement of icons available to the user to format text. I've looked only briefly at FCKedit so I don't know how configurable it is. One of the things I liked about TinyMCE (which confluence uses) was how customizable it is. Rather than provide lots of different icons for formatting/style it can be configured such that a limited set of markup is available. For example, I can exclude "Bold", "Italic", "Underline" icons, and instead hook in a css file to the dropdown styles list which provides "Highlight" or "Emphasis" css styles, or replace a dropdown font list with items such as "Arial", "Times Roman" with css styles such as "Heading", "Subsection", etc. You'll probably find that most wikis or content managements system which provide a rich text editing interface will use either FCKedit, TinyMCE, or possibly HTMLArea. When evaluating rich text editing capabilities it's worth looking at which one the wiki/cms is using and how configurable it is. > Linda > Linda Matula Schwartz, MDE > Library Information Specialist > Lehigh Valley Hospital > > ================================================================= > > Please note that if you have received this message in error, you > are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply > e-Mail and delete all copies of the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu Tue Oct 17 10:08:52 2006 From: bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu (Beatrice Pulliam) Date: Tue Oct 17 11:01:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for Presenters for NERCOMP "Uncommon Commons" program June 5, 2007 Message-ID: <003601c6f1f5$c6cf3e30$0637010a@providence.col> Apologies for crosspostings... Is your commons environment...unique? unusual? "uncommon"? If so, we want to hear from you! The Library and Information Technology Collaboration SIG of NERCOMP is seeking presenters for its "Uncommon Commons" program scheduled for June 5, 2006 at the Sheraton in Norwood, MA. We are interested in examples of creative use of existing space, staff, and/or resources in the implementation of a "commons" environment. Models of smaller, informal, inexpensive common spaces in libraries and other information service environments are welcomed. For consideration, please send a descriptive paragraph (in 150 - 200 words) of your "uncommon" or unusual commons implementation to Beatrice Pulliam (bpulliam@providence.edu)or Lisa Wiecki (lwiecki@brandeis.edu) by Friday, November 10, 2006. For more information about NERCOMP, please visit: http://www.nercomp.org/ Beatrice R. Pulliam Reference Librarian and Assistant Professor Phillips Memorial Library Providence College 549 River Avenue Providence, RI? 02918 401.865.2891 IM: rhodylibrarian (AIM/iChat/Yahoo) http://www.providence.edu/Academics/Phillips+Memorial+Library/ http://digitalcommons.providence.edu/ From bishopk at rpi.edu Tue Oct 17 13:13:52 2006 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Bishop, Kevin W) Date: Tue Oct 17 13:13:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] IE7 everywhere 11/01/2006 Message-ID: <9CCA4B6FBFEA6E439BAD22E6613C45D501FD2164@troy-be-ex1.win.rpi.edu> "Internet Explorer 7 will be delivered through Automatic Updates - customers should complete preparations by November 1" http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/windowsupdate/ie7annou ncement.mspx ______________ Kevin W Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Middleware Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > www.rpi.edu From SFX_Metalib at cclaflorida.org Tue Oct 17 17:11:50 2006 From: SFX_Metalib at cclaflorida.org (SFX_Metalib) Date: Tue Oct 17 17:11:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job posting- Usability Analyst, College Center for Library Automation, Tallahassee, FL Message-ID: USABILITY ANALYST (GR000561) Florida College Center for Library Automation (CCLA). CCLA is a collaborative state-funded organization established in 1989, to provide and maintain the Library Information Network for Community Colleges (LINCC) to Florida's 70+ community college libraries. (http://www.cclaflorida.org ) The individual selected for this position will develop and administer usability tests and test plans; assists with quality assurance testing; and be responsible for all aspects of user-centered product design and development within CCLA for internal, external and new products. Requires a Bachelor's Degree from an accredited college or university with course work in Human Factors, Human-Computer Interaction, Computer Science, Behavioral Science, Cognitive Psychology, Information Design, and/or Information Studies and two (2) years of relevant work experience in usability testing and user centered design processes; or an equivalent combination of education and experience. Two years applying these skills to the design and development of enterprise web applications, which may be concurrent with other experience required. Minimum starting salary $60,000 annually, commensurate with training and experience. An excellent fringe benefits package is offered to the successful candidate. Application deadline 11/13/06 at 5 P.M. If an accommodation is needed to participate in the application/selection process, please notify Human Resources; (850) 201-8510, TDD 201-8491 or FL Relay 711; fax 201-8489. Obtain and submit a mandatory Tallahassee Community College (TCC) employment application to Human Resources, TCC, 444 Appleyard Dr., Tallahassee, FL 32304-2895; visit the College's website at www.tcc.fl.edu or email humres@tcc.fl.edu for position details and employment application. Full position description available here: http://www.tcc.fl.edu/content/download/12216/53940 Application form available here: http://www.tcc.fl.edu/human_resources/vacancy_information/tcc_employment _applications *** An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer *** From cbailey at uh.edu Tue Oct 17 18:40:11 2006 From: cbailey at uh.edu (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Tue Oct 17 18:40:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 10th Anniversary Version of Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography Message-ID: <45355BCB.5060605@uh.edu> Version 64 of the Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography is now available. This selective bibliography presents over 2,780 articles, books, and other printed and electronic sources that are useful in understanding scholarly electronic publishing efforts on the Internet. http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.html This is the 10th anniversary version of SEPB, whose first version was published in October 1996: http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/01/sepb.html The PDF version of SEPB is produced annually. The 2005 PDF file is available (Version 60, published 12/9/2005). http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/60/sepb.pdf The Open Access Bibliography: Liberating Scholarly Literature with E-Prints and Open Access Journals, by the same author, provides much more in-depth coverage of the open access movement and related topics (e.g., disciplinary archives, e-prints, institutional repositories, open access journals, and the Open Archives Initiative) than SEPB does. http://www.digital-scholarship.com/oab/oab.htm The Open Access Webliography (with Ho) complements the OAB, providing access to a number of Websites related to open access topics. http://www.digital-scholarship.com/cwb/oaw.htm Changes in This Version The bibliography has the following sections (revised sections are marked with an asterisk): Table of Contents 1 Economic Issues* 2 Electronic Books and Texts 2.1 Case Studies and History* 2.2 General Works* 2.3 Library Issues 3 Electronic Serials 3.1 Case Studies and History* 3.2 Critiques 3.3 Electronic Distribution of Printed Journals* 3.4 General Works* 3.5 Library Issues* 3.6 Research* 4 General Works* 5 Legal Issues 5.1 Intellectual Property Rights* 5.2 License Agreements* 6 Library Issues 6.1 Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata* 6.2 Digital Libraries* 6.3 General Works* 6.4 Information Integrity and Preservation* 7 New Publishing Models* 8 Publisher Issues* 8.1 Digital Rights Management* 9 Repositories, E-Prints, and OAI* Appendix A. Related Bibliographies Appendix B. About the Author Appendix C. SEPB Use Statistics Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources includes the following sections: Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata Digital Libraries* Electronic Books and Texts* Electronic Serials General Electronic Publishing* Images* Legal* Preservation* Publishers Repositories, E-Prints, and OAI* SGML and Related Standards Further Information about SEPB The HTML version of SEPB is designed for interactive use. Each major section is a separate file. There are links to sources that are freely available on the Internet. It can be can be searched using Boolean operators. The HTML document includes three sections not found in the Acrobat file: (1) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog (biweekly list of new resources; also available by mailing list--see second URL--and RSS Feed--see third URL) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepw.htm http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepwlist.htm http://feeds.feedburner.com/ScholarlyElectronicPublishingWeblogrss (2) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources (directory of over 270 related Web sites) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepr.htm (3) Archive (prior versions of the bibliography) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/sepa.htm The 2005 annual PDF file is designed for printing. The printed bibliography is over 210 pages long. The PDF file is over 560 KB. Related Article An article about the bibliography has been published in The Journal of Electronic Publishing: http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/07-02/bailey.html -- Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Digital Library Planning and Development, University of Houston Libraries E-Mail: cbailey@uh.edu Publications: http://www.digital-scholarship.com/ (Provides access to DigitalKoans, Open Access Bibliography, Open Access Webliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog, and others) From mjordan at sfu.ca Tue Oct 17 19:26:26 2006 From: mjordan at sfu.ca (Mark Jordan) Date: Tue Oct 17 19:26:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Important information for users of PKP Open Conference Systems Message-ID: <453566A2.8050006@sfu.ca> A serious security flaw has been discovered in version 1.x of the PKP Open Conference Systems. Further information and a patch is available at http://www.lib.sfu.ca/about/pkp_exploit.htm You are urged to apply this patch as soon as possible since intruders can potentially take advantage of privilege escalation to gain control of the hosting server. You should check to see if there have been any logins by privileged users from unauthorized IP addresses in the last week or so and if any suspicious files have been uploaded to the hosting server. This vulnerability does not affect the PKP Open Journal Systems or the PKP Metadata Harvester. Please forward this message to anyone who you know uses one of these applications. Mark Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Phone (604) 291 5753 / Fax (604) 291 3023 mjordan@sfu.ca / http://www.sfu.ca/~mjordan/ From tomkeays at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 20:42:10 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Tue Oct 17 20:42:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: References: <452FDD68.4050107@yorku.ca> <60a2c0c00610161109i5d58cf0crcc5920e07ed69f57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610171742o30426693lbc27ad5110083c03@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/06, Lars Aronsson wrote: > All over your examples I read "designed to..." but to what degree > have they actually been successful in involving more than an > elite in active wiki collaboration? Something that has been bothering me about this discussion is a sort of creeping assumption that for a wiki to considered successful, then everybody who uses it has to also be an author. Where is this actually the case? On regular websites? On user-contributed product review sections of shopping sites? On this listserv or any other listserv? The actual case seems to be that the majority of people read the content of all of these examples and benefit (or not) from reading them, but few of them are authors. So why insist that wikis are unsuccessful if only a small percentage of people learn the syntax and write content? I don't think the learning curve in learning how to write in a wiki is terribly much higher than, say, learning to post to a listserv. The first time a person needs to add an entry to a wiki will be the time that they are motivated to learn how to do it. Up until then, they will be readers (if even that). So, it is not a matter of an "elite"; anybody can contribute to a wiki. It is, instead, a matter of whether that person has a need to contribute. -- Tom From lucas at booksalescout.com Tue Oct 17 23:02:02 2006 From: lucas at booksalescout.com (lucas@booksalescout.com) Date: Tue Oct 17 23:11:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Market your library's book sale on the web Message-ID: <3729.68.34.15.184.1161140522.squirrel@booksalescout.com> Welcome to the next generation of web-based book sale directories- Book Sale Scout (http://www.booksalescout.com). We're reaching out to libraries and friends of libraries to help us build the strongest web database for book sales. Listing on our site is free. Please share feel free to use this resource. See our press release below. Add a new sale: http://www.booksalescout.com/newsale.php How to market your sale info sheet: http://www.booksalescout.com/how_to_market_book_sales.php Best Regards, Lucas R Ames Owner, LRABooks/Book Sale Scout *** LRABooks launches the much anticipated Book Sale Scout website into a public, beta testing mode. The new, free, service will be the net's first searchable book sale directory, featuring used book sales from libraries and other non-profit organizations. (PRWEB) August 28, 2006 -- Today, booksellers and book sale organizers cheered the launching of the Internet's first searchable book sale directory, Book Sale Scout (http://www.booksalescout.com). The new site will offer a variety of features to improve access to book sales. Book sales are quickly becoming strong fundraising events for public libraries, friends of the library groups, and other nonprofit organizations. This growth has been fostered by the rapid development of the online bookseller community, whose members are constantly in need of inventory to place for sale on sites like Amazon.com, Half.com, Biblio.com, and Alibris.com. Some of the features include: instant book sale alerts, integration into Google maps, customizable email reminders, user comments about each sale, and a commitment to consistently updated features. "We've worked hard to build a book sale directory which offers significant value added for both book sale organizers and attendees. Moreover, we have in place a strategic growth plan that will include improvements and additions to our site. Our potential users deserve a professional looking site that incorporates new technologies and ideas," stated Book Sale Scout developer Lucas R. Ames, owner of parent company LRABooks. Ames also mentioned that his team was committed to building the number of book sales listed on the site. The company will continue reaching out to book sale organizers and has even developed a script to scrub the web for new information. ?Our goal is to have sale organizers submit their sale?s themselves. This will provide us with the most accurate information. In our initial database population, however, we?ve spent a lot of time collecting and confirming data, mostly from sources we did not know even existed. It?s been a tedious, but worthwhile process. We don?t want to offer the same old sales that everyone knows about anyway. We want to dig deeper.? The site?s services are all free of charge. Users pay nothing for the myriad services offered and nonprofits can list their book sales for free (although paid advertisement options are available). From rhill at asis.org Wed Oct 18 09:19:13 2006 From: rhill at asis.org (Richard Hill) Date: Wed Oct 18 09:30:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ASIS&T AM 07 Call for Participation Message-ID: <417-2200610318131913945@RHILL-IBM> Joining Research and Practice: Social Computing and Information Science October 18-25, 2007 Hyatt Regency Milwaukee, Wisconsin Web 2.0 and social computing are changing the way people use and perceive the Internet as well as the ways they work and play. When users are no longer simply consumers of information, and become active producers and contributors, what are the implications for information science? How are social computing and Web 2.0 trends affecting the work of information professionals? What current research and applications are shaping future directions? ASIS&T 2007 aims to bring together researchers and practitioners from all aspects of information science, industry, academe, and information professionals for lively discussions and debates about the social aspects of information, about all things 2.0 (or looking to the future) or higher. Please see the complete Call for Participation at http://www.asis.org/Conferences/AM07/am07cfp.html TYPES OF SUBMISSIONS Contributed papers Contributed papers present original, recent, formally conducted research and design projects, theoretical developments, or innovative practical applications providing more general insight into an area of practice. These are generally reports of completed or well-developed projects on topics suitable for publication in scholarly and professional journals. Contributed posters/short papers Two types of posters/short papers are encouraged. Contributed research posters present new and promising work or preliminary results of research projects. Contributed “best practices” posters present the results of design projects, practical implementations of an organization's practices or industry innovations. The content should clearly point out how the application advances the state of the art and key challenges, as well as potential impact on the participant's organization and/or practices in the field. Especially welcome are submissions that discuss applications for which a market analysis and/or evaluation of utility has been conducted. Joint submissions from researchers and practitioners showing different perspectives on a single issue are particularly encouraged. Posters are expected to invite questions and discussion in a personal and less formal setting. Technical sessions and panels Technical sessions and panels present topics for discussion such as cutting-edge research and design, analyses of hot or emerging trends, opinions on controversial issues, reports by practitioners on current information science and technology projects, and contrasting viewpoints from experts in complementary professional areas. Innovative formats that involve audience participation are encouraged. These may include panels, debates, forums, or case studies. Pre-conference sessions Pre-conference sessions present topics such as theoretical research, management strategies, and new and innovative systems or products, typically for purposes of concept development or continuing education. Purely promotional programs are excluded. Formats may include seminars, courses, workshops, and symposia. Sessions are scheduled for half to a full day and require a registration fee beyond the regular conference fee. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Deadlines January 21, 2007 Proposals due for contributed papers, technical sessions and panels, and pre- conference sessions February 25, 2007 Proposals due for contributed posters/short papers March 31, 2007 Authors/proposers notified of acceptance May 27, 2007 Final versions due for conference proceedings All submissions are made electronically via a link from the ASIST Web site (http://www.asis.org). Details on acceptable file formats, citation style, and specific contact information required in the online submission form are on the Web page. Any problems with electronic submissions should be directed to: Richard Hill, Executive Director (rhill@asis.org) ASIS&T, 1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510, Silver Spring, MD 20910 Fax: 301-495-0810 Phone: 301-495-0900 rhill@asis.org Executive Director American Society for Information Science and Technology 1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510 Silver Spring, MD 20910 FAX: (301) 495-0810 (301) 495-0900 From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Oct 18 11:06:39 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Oct 18 11:06:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] pick the topics for sxsw Message-ID: <20061018150655.5F47BD98@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Yes, by rustic old email I forward this message about voting for topics for the South By Southwest (SXSW) event/conference/whatever. This is supposed to be a great conference, and you can help shape it. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com This Friday is the last day you can vote. It's voting time for 2007 SXSW. http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/panel_picker/ "Help SXSW Interactive decide panel programming for the 2007 event! Please review the many outstanding proposals below and pick the 10 that you find most appealing. Each person is allowed one vote (i.e., 10 selections) in this process. Read more about how this works." From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 15:12:55 2006 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:12:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Citizendium vs Wikipedia Message-ID: <20061018191255.4097.qmail@web57109.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "A major new encyclopedia project will soon attempt to unseat Wikipedia as the go-to destination for general information online. Like Wikipedia, the Citizendium (sit-ih-ZEN-dee-um), or "the Citizen?s Compendium," will be a wiki project open to public collaboration. But, unlike Wikipedia, the community will be guided by expert editors, and contributors will be expected to use their own names, not anonymous pseudonyms." Press release at: http://citizendium.org/release_001.html Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Oct 18 15:44:44 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:44:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Citizendium: citizens' compendium of everything Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101B536E3@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> For all of you critics of Wikipedia, here is a chance to put your money where your mouth is. The founder of Wikipedia is starting a new effort (Citizendium.Org ) to ceate a new wiki similar to wikipedia but in a form where people are accountable for what they write. I just sent in my request to get an invitation to work on the new project. Click on Citizendium: Call for participation to find out how to do that. " The Citizendium (sit-ih-ZEN-dee-um ), a "citizens' compendium of everything," will be an experimental new wiki project that combines public participation with gentle expert guidance. It will begin life as a "progressive fork " of Wikipedia. But we expect it to take on a life of its own and, perhaps, to become the flagship of a new set of responsibly-managed free knowledge projects. We will avoid calling it an "encyclopedia," because there will probably always be articles in the resource that have not been vouched for in any sense. We believe a fork is necessary, and justified, both to allow regular people a place to work under the direction of experts, and in which personal accountability--including the use of real names--is expected. In short, we want to create a responsible community and a good global citizen. " Categories: * Wikipedia * citizendium * wiki Technorati Tags:citizendium wiki wikipedia Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From scott at lights.com Thu Oct 19 07:52:17 2006 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Thu Oct 19 07:52:27 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Internet Explorer 7 finally released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: CNET has a review: http://tinyurl.com/y8czur I downloaded it and it still fails to play Flash from sites like YouTube. I'll stick with Firefox, thankyou. From smasule at unam.na Thu Oct 19 08:34:31 2006 From: smasule at unam.na (simataa masule) Date: Thu Oct 19 08:26:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] fire fox Message-ID: <453770D7.8090103@unam.na> Please anyone to help. We have configured our OPAC pc's as thinclients runnning on redhat9 and pxeboot from thinbsd. The problem we have is we can't get mozilla or fire fox to run concurrent on the clients, we have the same user name for 10 pc's. Thanks. Masule From jaf30 at cornell.edu Thu Oct 19 09:18:37 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Thu Oct 19 09:18:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Cornell partnership with Microsoft Message-ID: <45377B2D.2070005@cornell.edu> Here's a little project that I am going to be working on... http://www.news.cornell.edu/pressoffice1/Oct06/library_microsoft.shtml From crawforw at oclc.org Thu Oct 19 10:10:54 2006 From: crawforw at oclc.org (Crawford,Walt) Date: Thu Oct 19 10:10:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 6:13 available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large 6:13 (November 2006) is now available for downloading at http://citesandinsights.info/civ6i13.pdf The 26-page issue (PDF as always, but major essays are also available as HTML separates from the home page at http://citesandinsights.info/ ) includes: * Bibs & Blather: Should I Care About What You Write? - printability revisited * Net Media Perspective: What About Wikipedia? - The saga of Wikipedia, Britannica, and Nature; various commentaries on Wikipedia; and early stuff on Citizendium (plus two good notes on library-related wikis) * Trends & Quick Takes - three mini-essays, four quicker takes. * Old Media/New Media Perspective: Tracking Hi-Def Discs - what's happening with HD DVD and Blu-ray and why you should(n't) care * PC Progress: February-October 2006 - 27 group reviews in 14 categories * Copyright Currents - catching up on fair use and infringement, DMCA, orphan works and the analog hole. * My Back Pages - three snarky little essays (one of them not really snarky at all) From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Oct 19 10:22:08 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Thu Oct 19 10:53:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] fire fox In-Reply-To: <453770D7.8090103@unam.na> References: <453770D7.8090103@unam.na> Message-ID: <200610191022.08382.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Don't know if you've seen this From http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_Run_more_than_one_instance_in_Linux: ============================================= Run multiple instances in Linux (Redirected from Firefox : FAQs : Run more than one instance in Linux) On Linux systems, you can run more than one instance of Firefox. Each instance will have its own cookies, etc, which is useful for debugging web applications. While Firefox is running, execute firefox -a firefox -remote "OpenURL('http://your.homepage.here',new-window)" You can also use the following script instead of typing that line every time. You need to modify the FIREFOXPATH variable to point to your Firefox installation folder. #!/bin/bash # Copyleft ! 2004 Carl Forstenberg #Tiny startup-script for MozillaFirefox FIREFOXPATH=/opt/MozillaFirefox/ FIREFOXNAME=firefox URL=${1:-'http://your.homepage.here'} FIREFOX="$FIREFOXPATH$FIREFOXNAME" if [ -x $FIREFOX ]; then $FIREFOX -remote "ping()" &> /dev/null if [[ "$?" == "2" ]]; then $FIREFOX $URL & else $FIREFOX -remote "OpenURL($URL,new-window)" & fi fi ========================================================== The script example above looks to see if FireFox is running and if it is then it opens a new instance of FireFox else it just opens FireFox. I don't know what the effect will be in your situation. Also untested: Using command line parameters you can start each new instance from a script which selects a profile based of a unique value from each client. Or, have 10 defined profiles and run "ps -axf |grep mozilla >current_profiles" then parse "current_profiles" to see which profiles are running per command line arg and start a profile that is not running, all this in the same script utilizing the multiple instance script above maybe. For command line args See: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html Thomas On Thursday 19 October 2006 08:34, simataa masule wrote: > Please anyone to help. We have configured our OPAC pc's as thinclients > runnning on redhat9 and pxeboot from thinbsd. The problem we have is we > can't get mozilla or fire fox to run concurrent on the clients, we have > the same user name for 10 pc's. > > Thanks. > Masule > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From nedsfoxj at westland.lib.mi.us Thu Oct 19 11:40:12 2006 From: nedsfoxj at westland.lib.mi.us (Joshua Neds Fox) Date: Thu Oct 19 11:40:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] IE7 and CSS In-Reply-To: <20061018160009.30A16189AEA@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <200610191540.LAA01727@centaur.xo.com> New to the list, so forgive me if this has been posted before. I'm sure most of you webmasters know that IE7 will add support for child selectors, which will allow it to see a lot of the standard IE CSS hacks. Now that it's here, it might be time to take advantage of IE's conditional comments to move your hacks to an IE-only stylesheet. Read a bit more about it here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/ie7-dehacker.html Cheers, Joshua Neds-Fox Tech/Reference Librarian Public Library of Westland 734-326-6123 nedsfoxj@westland.lib.mi.us From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Oct 19 11:32:59 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Thu Oct 19 11:53:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] fire fox In-Reply-To: <200610191022.08382.bennetttm@appstate.edu> References: <453770D7.8090103@unam.na> <200610191022.08382.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Message-ID: <200610191132.59198.bennetttm@appstate.edu> On Thursday 19 October 2006 10:22, Thomas Bennett wrote: > Don't know if you've seen this From > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_Run_more_than_one_instance_in_Li >nux: ============================================= > Run multiple instances in Linux > (Redirected from Firefox : FAQs : Run more than one instance in Linux) > > On Linux systems, you can run more than one instance of Firefox. Each > instance will have its own cookies, etc, which is useful for debugging web > applications. While Firefox is running, execute > firefox -a firefox -remote > "OpenURL('http://your.homepage.here',new-window)" > > You can also use the following script instead of typing that line every > time. You need to modify the FIREFOXPATH variable to point to your Firefox > installation folder. > #!/bin/bash > # Copyleft ! 2004 Carl Forstenberg > > #Tiny startup-script for MozillaFirefox > > FIREFOXPATH=/opt/MozillaFirefox/ > FIREFOXNAME=firefox > URL=${1:-'http://your.homepage.here'} > > FIREFOX="$FIREFOXPATH$FIREFOXNAME" > if [ -x $FIREFOX ]; then > $FIREFOX -remote "ping()" &> /dev/null > if [[ "$?" == "2" ]]; then > $FIREFOX $URL & > else > $FIREFOX -remote "OpenURL($URL,new-window)" & > fi > fi > > ========================================================== > The script example above looks to see if FireFox is running and if it is > then it opens a new instance of FireFox else it just opens FireFox. I > don't know what the effect will be in your situation. Oops, correction: If it is NOT running it starts a new FireFox else it opens a new instance. > > Also untested: > > Using command line parameters you can start each new instance from a script > which selects a profile based of a unique value from each client. > > Or, have 10 defined profiles and run > "ps -axf |grep mozilla >current_profiles" then parse "current_profiles" to > see which profiles are running per command line arg and start a profile > that is not running, all this in the same script utilizing the multiple > instance script above maybe. > > For command line args See: > http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html > > > Thomas > > On Thursday 19 October 2006 08:34, simataa masule wrote: > > Please anyone to help. We have configured our OPAC pc's as thinclients > > runnning on redhat9 and pxeboot from thinbsd. The problem we have is we > > can't get mozilla or fire fox to run concurrent on the clients, we have > > the same user name for 10 pc's. > > > > Thanks. > > Masule > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From LHackett at umuc.edu Thu Oct 19 12:28:26 2006 From: LHackett at umuc.edu (Luella Hackett) Date: Thu Oct 19 12:28:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Digital Services Librarian Position at UMUC Message-ID: University of Maryland University College (UMUC) Information and Library Services University of Maryland University College (UMUC), one of the world's largest distance education providers, is headquartered near Washington, DC in suburban Adelphi, Md. Join the library's growing staff and use innovative technologies to serve a diverse group of students and faculty worldwide. This faculty position offers an attractive pay scale, tuition remission, and excellent benefits. Position Title: Digital Services Librarian (I001752) Qualifications: Required: an MLS from an ALA accredited university; and internship or position experience working with Web development and/or library systems; proficiency with HTML and HTML editors (DreamWeaver preferred); ability to quickly and effectively proof and troubleshoot Web content; proficiency with Windows and Windows-based applications; familiarity with basic UNIX commands, FTP, and an understanding of database design and use. Preferred: Candidates with working knowledge of the Ex Libris integrated library systems and associated technologies such as SFX, ResearchPort, and Verde; experience working in an academic library; hands-on knowledge of the development and maintenance of database-driven Websites; familiarity with bibliographic databases and academic library database vendors; working knowledge of learning management systems such as Blackboard or WebCT; experience with Web programming languages/platforms (for example, PHP, Perl, Cold Fusion, JavaScript, XML) for design of dynamic Web pages; project management experience and/or experience planning and implementing library systems. For more information about this position, see UMUC Jobs at http://www.umuc.edu/employ.html. From LizPerlman.7901733 at bloglines.com Thu Oct 19 16:53:28 2006 From: LizPerlman.7901733 at bloglines.com (LizPerlman.7901733@bloglines.com) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:53:30 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Online video catalog Message-ID: <1161291208.2335365513.9556.sendItem@bloglines.com> Hi all- I work in a very small library with books and a circulating video collection. Neither currently has an automated catalog, but I'm looking at options for changing that. My first priority is getting the video catalog online, since it has a wider user base. I may use Koha for the books, but for the videos I need the ability to reserve in advance, and it doesn't look like Koha has that ability. Can anyone recommend software that would do this? I know that some of the big players in ILSes will do this, but I don't think we can afford an entire system like that right now. Thanks, Liz Perlman From ranganathanlib at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 17:06:24 2006 From: ranganathanlib at yahoo.com (Skip Auld) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:06:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Technology Management Coordinator - Durham (NC) County Library Message-ID: <20061019210624.12828.qmail@web90514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello: Durham County Library is seeking a Technology Management Coordinator to live and work in the GREAT community of Durham, North Carolina. Durham County is a progressive and diverse community and home to Duke University, North Carolina Central University, Research Triangle Park and the Durham Bulls Baseball Team. A sampling of Durham's annual events includes the American Dance Festival, Full Frame Documentary Film Festival, Bull Durham Blues Festival, and Carolina Gay and Lesbian Film Festival. You will find a great climate, wonderful book stores, restaurants, hiking and biking, two library schools, great educational institutions, and more in the Durham/Chapel Hill/Raleigh Triangle area. Atlantic beaches and Blue Ridge Mountains are 2 to 4 hours away by car. The library system serves a population of 249,654 residents through a Main Library, six branches including the historic and recently renovated and expanded Stanford L. Warren Library, and a bookmobile. We are in the midst of changing to a regional library system: the 25,000 sq. ft. East Regional Library opened this June as a prototype for three others which will open over the next three years. The Main Library will be renovated, expanded, or relocated into a new facility in a few years as part of a transformed downtown which by the end of 2008 will have over half a billion dollars in private investment in addition to major public investment. We have 141 staff members who are enthusiastic, knowledgeable, experienced, and fun to work with!! This position reports to the library director and: Provides administrative leadership in the development, planning, and management of library systems and digital applications, resources, and services. Provides vision and direction around emerging technologies and their integration into the public library environment. Supervises, directs, and provides the first level of computer troubleshooting in the provision of Horizon automation system processes and services. Manages technology training for library staff; helps develop computer training for public; supervises and evaluates staff in Technology Unit. Develops and implements training on the Horizon system. Provides presentations in a variety of settings. Works with users of varying technical expertise. Qualifications are as follows: Requires thorough knowledge of professional library principles, materials, and practices, as well as knowledge and understanding of the service role of the public library and the use of automated systems and technology to fulfill that role; Demonstrated supervisory and project management experience in managing an integrated library system and/or library technologies; Working knowledge of web and portal technologies; Ability to manage installation of peripherals used in conjunction with automated library systems and general library computers; Ability to work well independently, to work successfully in group settings, and to communicate effectively orally and in writing. To apply, contact Durham County Human Resources Department. Download applications at www.durhamcountync.gov or call HR at (919) 560-7900. Refer to position #40001712. The hiring range is $47,052-$68,621, and salary will be negotiated to take into account the successful applicant's experience, skills, and other qualifications. The position will remain open until filled. We will begin reviewing applications soon after October 30. For more information, contact Durham County Library's Operations Manager Joyce McNeill at (919) 560-0164 or jmcneilldurhamcountync.gov or contact me using my contact information here: Skip Auld Director, Durham County Library 300 N. Roxboro St. Durham, NC 27702 Phone: (919) 560-0160 Fax: (919) 560-0137 Email: saulddurhamcountync.gov __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bcraigmile at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 17:22:30 2006 From: bcraigmile at yahoo.com (Bob Craigmile) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:22:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] IE7 Vulnerability Message-ID: <20061019212230.56730.qmail@web35414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://secunia.com/advisories/22477/ From dkane at wit.ie Fri Oct 20 08:26:08 2006 From: dkane at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:26:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] IE7 and CSS Message-ID: <4538CE70020000780001B344@gwstaff.wit.ie> I hope that solves our problem with our library home page ( http://library.wit.ie/ ), which does not currently display well in IE7, due to its interpretation of CSS. Fortunately the rest of our pages are A-okay. I haven't been able to diagnose thie problem so far. If anyone has any inspiration, or similar problems with their pages not displaying well in IE7, it'd be great to hear. Best regards, David Kane Waterford Institute of Technology Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ >>> Joshua Neds Fox >>> New to the list, so forgive me if this has been posted before. I'm sure most of you webmasters know that IE7 will add support for child selectors, which will allow it to see a lot of the standard IE CSS hacks. Now that it's here, it might be time to take advantage of IE's conditional comments to move your hacks to an IE-only stylesheet. Read a bit more about it here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/ie7-dehacker.html Cheers, Joshua Neds-Fox Tech/Reference Librarian Public Library of Westland 734-326-6123 nedsfoxj@westland.lib.mi.us _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bennetttm at appstate.edu Fri Oct 20 09:39:16 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Fri Oct 20 09:54:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] IE7 and CSS In-Reply-To: <4538CE70020000780001B344@gwstaff.wit.ie> References: <4538CE70020000780001B344@gwstaff.wit.ie> Message-ID: <200610200939.16265.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Youo may also want to look at: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/22/712830.aspx http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Plone contains an IEFixes.css style sheet that you may want to look at: http://plone.org/ . From a recent plone-users post: "The bug in the nav tree is a bug in IE6 too, so the only remaining ? difference is that the page is very wide in IE7, and that the table used ? for the calendar portlet has too much spacing (should be an easy fix)." IE has handled tables uniquely in the past also. I wonder why we always have to add CSS only to handle IE's deficiencies and most other popular browsers are designed to handle CSS correctly, or have I missed something here besides industry standards. Speaking of standards, one of my favorite sigs I've seen on an email: "The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from" - - Andrew Tanenbaum Off topic but interesting: This was just when tux was just a pixel on a linux box. "My [Tanenbaum] real job is a professor and researcher in the area of operating systems." See: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html The link above quotes a newsgroup post From: ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) Newsgroups: comp.os.minix Subject: LINUX is obsolete Date: 29 Jan 92 12:12:50 GMT Thomas On Friday 20 October 2006 08:26, David Kane wrote: > I hope that solves our problem with our library home page ( > http://library.wit.ie/ ), which does not currently display well in IE7, > due to its interpretation of CSS. Fortunately the rest of our pages are > A-okay. > > I haven't been able to diagnose thie problem so far. If anyone has any > inspiration, or similar problems with their pages not displaying well in > IE7, it'd be great to hear. > > Best regards, > > David Kane > Waterford Institute of Technology Libraries > http://library.wit.ie/ > > >>> Joshua Neds Fox >>> > > New to the list, so forgive me if this has been posted before. > > I'm sure most of you webmasters know that IE7 will add support for child > selectors, which will allow it to see a lot of the standard IE CSS > hacks. Now that it's here, it might be time to take advantage of IE's > conditional comments to move your hacks to an IE-only stylesheet. > > Read a bit more about it here: > > http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/ie7-dehacker.html > > Cheers, > Joshua Neds-Fox > Tech/Reference Librarian > Public Library of Westland > 734-326-6123 > nedsfoxj@westland.lib.mi.us > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From kengwall at catawba.edu Fri Oct 20 10:52:22 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:52:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Message-ID: Dear Web4lib, Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? I'm wondering what other libraries (particularly in the academic environment) are doing to provide students with access to music, and what they would do if they were starting from scratch? I've seen mention of colleges making deals with services like Napster, Rhapsody, Ruckus, etc. but haven't seen details. Also, I'm not sure that would have any significant coverage of music other than contemporary popular genres (in my limited experience, classical, jazz, etc. are not well represented). I've heard of Alexander Street Press' Classical Music Library, but I don't know how well it works, what its technical requirements are, whether students use it, etc. --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman From kt32 at drexel.edu Fri Oct 20 11:17:57 2006 From: kt32 at drexel.edu (Turner,Kathleen) Date: Fri Oct 20 11:17:59 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. References: Message-ID: <6C5331B39A8B1343BA05E22EBC9C265F066259F3@ace.drexel.edu> Drexel University offers students (and other members of the university community) digital music access through MusicSelect (https://www.musicselect.org/). As you note, that primarily fills the contemporary/popular music demand. To provide for more academic music needs, the library subscribes to both Classical Music Library and Naxos Music Library which includes "Classical music, Jazz, World, Folk and Chinese music". I'm not an expert on either system, but I believe that both allow faculty to construct playlists for specific courses. While we do have video (vhs and dvd) in our collection, I don't believe that we have any "offline" music in our collections. Kathleen ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Keith D. Engwall Sent: Fri 10/20/2006 10:52 AM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Dear Web4lib, Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? I'm wondering what other libraries (particularly in the academic environment) are doing to provide students with access to music, and what they would do if they were starting from scratch? I've seen mention of colleges making deals with services like Napster, Rhapsody, Ruckus, etc. but haven't seen details. Also, I'm not sure that would have any significant coverage of music other than contemporary popular genres (in my limited experience, classical, jazz, etc. are not well represented). I've heard of Alexander Street Press' Classical Music Library, but I don't know how well it works, what its technical requirements are, whether students use it, etc. --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mike at indexdata.com Fri Oct 20 11:34:48 2006 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Fri Oct 20 11:34:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17720.60568.169364.224124@localhost.localdomain> Keith D. Engwall writes: > Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its > ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who > have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as > a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise > investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would > only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from > scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? Why not just rip your LPs to MP3 (or perhaps OGG)? No new money to pay, since you already own the music. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "Do present circumstances _require_ that there be a Third World, so that the First World can be what it is? I don't know. I'm not smart enough to answer the questions, I'm barely smart enough to ask them" -- Jarrod Davis. From bevedog at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 12:14:22 2006 From: bevedog at gmail.com (Steve Lawson) Date: Fri Oct 20 12:14:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Position announcement: Systems Librarian, Colorado College, Colorado Springs Message-ID: <89a6e33b0610200914xb784aay43d8e6b3f62bf3c6@mail.gmail.com> Colorado College, in Colorado Springs, is seeking an energetic, creative, engaged librarian to support technology initiatives in a liberal arts college environment. Problem solving and project management skills are essential. Tutt Library is actively engaged in planning for future technology through a digital library initiative. Among the projects we are considering or plan to begin soon are redesigned and dynamic Web pages, a federated search engine, and an institutional repository. We also need to plan a preservation program for digital assets of the college, and seek to maximize the utility of our III integrated library system. Tell us how you can help us with these projects! For complete job description and application procedure see: Or, if that URL breaks, try this one: -- Steve Lawson, Humanities Librarian Tutt Library, Colorado College slawson@coloradocollege.edu IM (AIM & Yahoo!): tuttlawson blog: http://library.coloradocollege.edu/steve/ From millikel at neumann.edu Fri Oct 20 12:14:55 2006 From: millikel at neumann.edu (Lawrence Milliken) Date: Fri Oct 20 12:15:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Message-ID: Unfortunately, LPs would have to be ripped in real-time so that's about 45min. per album. Even with student workers it would probably be cheaper to replace the tracks online or offline. Probably would be ok to do for rare and out-of-print recordings though. Larry Milliken Reference Librarian Neumann College Library >>> Mike Taylor 10/20/06 11:34 AM >>> Keith D. Engwall writes: > Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its > ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who > have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as > a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise > investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would > only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from > scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? Why not just rip your LPs to MP3 (or perhaps OGG)? No new money to pay, since you already own the music. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "Do present circumstances _require_ that there be a Third World, so that the First World can be what it is? I don't know. I'm not smart enough to answer the questions, I'm barely smart enough to ask them" -- Jarrod Davis. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mike at indexdata.com Fri Oct 20 12:36:13 2006 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Fri Oct 20 12:36:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17720.64253.611322.589517@localhost.localdomain> Lawrence Milliken writes: > > Why not just rip your LPs to MP3 (or perhaps OGG)? > > Unfortunately, LPs would have to be ripped in real-time so that's > about 45min. per album. Even with student workers it would > probably be cheaper to replace the tracks online or offline. > Probably would be ok to do for rare and out-of-print recordings > though. Well, that's an important factor. But don't forget that this is _elapsed_ time, not worker time. Given the right kit, there's no reason why a digitiser should start ten LPs going one after the other (allowing a generous two minutes each) then return to them in order to turn them over. Bingo, ten-fold improvement in throughput. Just a thought. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "If you want to double your success rate, you have to quadruple your failure rate" -- Thomas Watson, IBM Founder. From ksuhr at semo.edu Fri Oct 20 16:57:50 2006 From: ksuhr at semo.edu (Karl Suhr) Date: Fri Oct 20 16:57:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c6f48a$678ee500$402fc996@semo.edu> I think another consideration is that ripping vinyl needs some TLC -- depending on how the software used 'sees' the track gaps if you want to split tracks. In which case a piece with moments of silence might be split into multiple tracks erroneously or separate tracks lump together Coincidentally, I got a Cnet email today w/a tutorial on doing this. Link if you're interested: http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-10149-0.html?forumID=7&threadID=213413&messageI D=2282026&tag=nl.e406 some other considerations -- hisses, pops, crackles -- can be cleaned up but take time -- differences in dynamic range -- effort required in providing metadata -- what becomes of the album cover information? Is it important enough to try to keep? On a personal note, I ripped all my CD's at home - it's relatively quick, no intervention required, and when done the CD becomes the backup! I believe itunes for example now grabs the album cover at least for you. Karl Suhr -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Milliken Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:15 AM To: Keith D. Engwall; Mike Taylor Cc: web4lib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Unfortunately, LPs would have to be ripped in real-time so that's about 45min. per album. Even with student workers it would probably be cheaper to replace the tracks online or offline. Probably would be ok to do for rare and out-of-print recordings though. Larry Milliken Reference Librarian Neumann College Library >>> Mike Taylor 10/20/06 11:34 AM >>> Keith D. Engwall writes: > Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its > ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who > have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as > a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise > investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would > only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from > scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? Why not just rip your LPs to MP3 (or perhaps OGG)? No new money to pay, since you already own the music. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "Do present circumstances _require_ that there be a Third World, so that the First World can be what it is? I don't know. I'm not smart enough to answer the questions, I'm barely smart enough to ask them" -- Jarrod Davis. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From avrum_shepard at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 17:12:58 2006 From: avrum_shepard at yahoo.com (Avrum Shepard) Date: Fri Oct 20 17:13:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <17720.64253.611322.589517@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> It's really more complicated than that. You have to first clean the surface of the lp's, a fairly long and involved process. Do you have a record cleaning machine? They cost between $500 and $2,000. Then there's the drying time. And you have to be careful not to scratch the orginals. Then you record. Do you have the equipment to take the analog signal and make it digital? You spend a few minutes for each lp to actually do the capture. Then you usually have to clean up the sound with some kind of audio processor on a computer. Those little scratches, pops, and clicks were ok on the lp's but really irritating on a cd. Then you separate the tracks for the cd. This is not done for you by the record process. Then you record your cleaned up separated audio tracks to cd. I've done a little bit of this and there's not much help in how to do it. I would record only the out-of-print and worthwhile lps and get cd's for the rest that you want to replace. You might consider hiring a high school or college student to do this and pay a flat rate. You need to plan what to do with the lp's once your done. Sell them on eBay? First find out what they're worth. Some out-of-print lp's are worth a lot of money, but most are not worth much. Avrum --- Mike Taylor wrote: > Lawrence Milliken writes: > > > Why not just rip your LPs to MP3 (or perhaps > OGG)? > > > > Unfortunately, LPs would have to be ripped in > real-time so that's > > about 45min. per album. Even with student > workers it would > > probably be cheaper to replace the tracks online > or offline. > > Probably would be ok to do for rare and > out-of-print recordings > > though. > > Well, that's an important factor. But don't forget > that this is > _elapsed_ time, not worker time. Given the right > kit, there's no > reason why a digitiser should start ten LPs going > one after the other > (allowing a generous two minutes each) then return > to them in order to > turn them over. Bingo, ten-fold improvement in > throughput. > > Just a thought. > > _/|_ > ___________________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor > http://www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "If you want to double your success rate, > you have to quadruple > your failure rate" -- Thomas Watson, IBM Founder. > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cirwin at criminal-sound.com Fri Oct 20 17:42:59 2006 From: cirwin at criminal-sound.com (Charlie Irwin) Date: Fri Oct 20 17:40:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453942E3.8040302@criminal-sound.com> Avrum Shepard wrote: > You need to plan what to do with the > lp's once your done. Sell them on eBay? First find out > what they're worth. Some out-of-print lp's are worth a > lot of money, but most are not worth much. > > Avrum > IF you are making copies of material that is copyrighted, then you may need to keep the originals - not sell them. I would check with someone about this. My understanding of copyright is that you have the right to make "use"copies as long as you own the originals. However, if you sell the originals, your right to have (and circulate) copies may cease. (But I'm not a lawyer...) Charlie Irwin From david.rothman at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 19:16:32 2006 From: david.rothman at gmail.com (David Rothman) Date: Fri Oct 20 19:16:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Directory for Podcasts by or about libraries/librarians Message-ID: Does anyone know of a good directory of podcasts created by and/or for libraries/librarians? Many thanks in advance! -David From jaf30 at cornell.edu Fri Oct 20 19:25:39 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Fri Oct 20 19:25:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45395AF3.50505@cornell.edu> Avrum Shepard wrote: > It's really more complicated than that. You have to > first clean the surface of the lp's, a fairly long and > involved process. Do you have a record cleaning > machine? They cost between $500 and $2,000. Your kidding right? I've got about 1000 lp's in my attic that I used nothing but a "Discwasher" (I paid about $20 for it and used a alcohol-water mix as a cleaning solution) for many years. Of course, I was always careful handling my lps and cleaned them before playing so they never got very dirty. > Then > there's the drying time. And you have to be careful > not to scratch the orginals. Then you record. Do you > have the equipment to take the analog signal and make > it digital? You spend a few minutes for each lp to > actually do the capture. A few minutes? As far as I know there isn't anything available that will record an lp faster than it would normally be played (33rpm) and most lps run about 25 minutes a side. > Then you usually have to > clean up the sound with some kind of audio processor > on a computer. Those little scratches, pops, and > clicks were ok on the lp's but really irritating on a > cd. I found an freeware tool awhile back that'll do that and it seemed to work pretty well. > Then you separate the tracks for the cd. This is > not done for you by the record process. Then you > record your cleaned up separated audio tracks to cd. > I've done a little bit of this and there's not much > help in how to do it. My father-in-law bought this device awhile back that is essentially a record player with a built in CD recorder. It automatically detects separate tracks and pauses the recording process when a side of the record completes. After the tracks are written, the track information can be entered and then finalized so the artist and song titles can be "recorded" as well. > I would record only the > out-of-print and worthwhile lps and get cd's for the > rest that you want to replace. Aren't pretty much all lps out of print, at least in that medium? I have quite a few lps that were never put on cd commercially. In some cases, I've only seen one copy as an lp (the one I bought) and I also have quite a few "imports" for which the commercial CD replacement is much more expensive than a domestic (US) CD. In one case, a recording that I paid $8 for would cost me $29 to replace if I bought the commercial CD. From avrum_shepard at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 20:16:27 2006 From: avrum_shepard at yahoo.com (Avrum Shepard) Date: Fri Oct 20 20:16:30 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <45395AF3.50505@cornell.edu> Message-ID: <20061021001627.46164.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> You are absolutely right. If you've kept your discs clean, then it's not as much of a problem, however, these lps were played by many people, not all of whom understand how to handle an lp without damaging it. Could you provide the name of the device your father-in-law has. It sounds great and I'd like to get one if they're still available. What's the brand name and model? I've been surprised how many lps are available on CD and are still in print. I was able to buy several Gabor Szabo albums on CD. Many times 2 lps have been recorded onto one CD. In most cases, the sound quality has been improved and occasionally bonus tracks are introduced. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From avrum_shepard at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 20:18:59 2006 From: avrum_shepard at yahoo.com (Avrum Shepard) Date: Fri Oct 20 20:19:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <453942E3.8040302@criminal-sound.com> Message-ID: <20061021001859.86894.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Oh my gosh, I really blundered with that suggestion. Mr. Irwin is undoubtedly correct. Avrum --- Charlie Irwin wrote: > Avrum Shepard wrote: > > You need to plan what to do with the > > lp's once your done. Sell them on eBay? First find > out > > what they're worth. Some out-of-print lp's are > worth a > > lot of money, but most are not worth much. > > > > Avrum > > > IF you are making copies of material that is > copyrighted, then you may > need to keep the originals - not sell them. I would > check with someone > about this. My understanding of copyright is that > you have the right to > make "use"copies as long as you own the originals. > However, if you sell > the originals, your right to have (and circulate) > copies may cease. (But > I'm not a lawyer...) > > Charlie Irwin > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Jim.Coble at duke.edu Fri Oct 20 22:02:08 2006 From: Jim.Coble at duke.edu (Jim Coble) Date: Fri Oct 20 21:59:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Jim Coble/Libraries/Provost/Academic/Univ/Duke is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 10/20/2006 and will not return until 10/26/2006. I will respond to your message when I return. If you need assistance on CIT-related matters in the meantime, you can email cit@duke.edu or call 919-660-5806. From kiehl at hawaii.edu Sat Oct 21 02:51:32 2006 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Sat Oct 21 02:51:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Peter's Digital Reference Shelf - October 2006 Message-ID: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf - October 2006 The October edition of Peter's Digital Reference Shelf has been posted on the Gale Group website. This column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.gale.com/reference/peter/index.htm Peter Jacso is a faculty member at the University of Hawaii School of Library and Information Science. His in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases he evaluates. Jacso was the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores-Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. This month Peter reviews: [1] Aardvark The smartest and most comprehensive Web portal on the library and information science and technology scene in and about Asia and the Pacific region. It offers current news about databases, information services, digital journals, search software developments, library schools and movers and shakers in the region (and beyond, as they relate to Asia and the Pacific and Oceania). [2] Library, Information Science & Technology Abstracts (LISTA) This may be the best gift that library and information professionals ever received from commercial information services. LISTA is an open-access mega indexing/abstracting database on its own. Depending on the context and mix of the other (subscription-based) databases of EBSCO in which the LISTA database is invoked, it also offers seamless links to 552,560 full-text documents, as well as a swift pathfinder to full-text documents of library and information science and technology literature in the digital archives of publishers to which a library subscribes. (This is not to be confused with the subscription-based database known as LISTA with Full Text). Some of the software features need improvement but you can look this gift horse in the mouth and be delighted. If you missed the September Reviews you can still catch them at the same URL. [1] Annual Reviews Archive Annual Reviews form an exceptionally high impact publication series in about 30 disciplines, providing excellent literature reviews on the most current issues in the subject fields. The full text of more than 20,000 reviews are freely searchable. The full text itself is not open access but the documents from the "Annual Review of ..." series are very reasonably priced for instant download. [2] ScienceDirect The largest of the scholarly publishers digital archives now has nearly 8 million full-text searchable journal articles and as many open access bibliographic records (about 75% of them with open access abstracts, according to my test searches). ScienceDirect sports a rejuvenated, swifter, and breezier software, which nevertheless needs correction in the algorithm of matching cited and citing items. See the Archives on the Gale site for 145 databases previously reviewed. This notice has been posted to several listservs. Please pardon any duplication. From SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us Sat Oct 21 11:47:27 2006 From: SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us (SUSAN HANSEN) Date: Sat Oct 21 11:42:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Directory for Podcasts by or about libraries/librarians Message-ID: you could start here http://www.libsuccess.org/index.php?title=Podcasting Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 >>> "David Rothman" 10/20/2006 6:16 PM >>> Does anyone know of a good directory of podcasts created by and/or for libraries/librarians? Many thanks in advance! -David _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Oct 22 16:20:15 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Sun Oct 22 16:20:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Doctoral Student Research Assistantships Available Message-ID: <20061022202021.53C63F3F7@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> INFORMATION INSTITUTE AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY SEEKS APPLICANTS FOR DOCTORAL RESEARCH ASSISTANTS Beginning as early as May 2007 or as late as August 2007, the Information Institute (http://www.ii.fsu.edu) within the College of Information at Florida State University seeks doctoral students to work on funded research projects related to public library technology planning and management, public access computing and Internet-based services and resources, digital library development, network-based evaluation techniques, and information policy. The students would receive a stipend, remitted tuition for a period of three years, and travel support to attend various conferences. The Institute currently has several funded projects in which students would be involved. These projects include the: . Public libraries and the Internet studies (see http://www.ii.fsu.edu/plinternet) conducted by the Institute and funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the American Library Association; . Evaluation Decision Management System (EDMS) study funded by the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) to design an online evaluation instructional system to assist public libraries demonstrate the value that public libraries provide the communities that they serve (http://www.ii.fsu.edu/projects/effective-eval/); . Florida Electronic Library (FEL) (http://www.flelibrary.org/) study funded by the State Library of Florida which employs multiple usability, functionality, and accessibility evaluation techniques regarding the design and implementation of the FEL; and . Public libraries and e-government and disaster planning study funded by the American Library Association. The Institute seeks qualified students interested in working on these projects. Applicants should have knowledge and/or experience in the topics identified above, ability to learn and apply a range of research skills on various Institute projects, excellent oral and written communication skills, and work well in a team environment. These positions offer applicants the ability to work in a successful research environment and complete their doctoral degree at the same time. To apply for these positions, potential candidates need to both interview with the Information Institute and apply for admissions to the doctoral program in the College of Information at Florida State University. Prior to applying for admissions to the doctoral program, interested students should send the following information to John Bertot, Associate Director of the Information Institute, by no later than January 20, 2007: 1) Letter of interest, which includes a statement about research interests, background, and qualifications; 2) Current vitae/resume; and 3) writing sample (e.g., course research paper, published article). Upon review of the material, students would be contacted for an interview. Please contact John Bertot (jbertot@fsu.edu; 850.644.8118) with any questions you might have regarding the positions. Dr. Charles R. McClure John Carlo Bertot Director and Francis Eppes Professor Associate Director and Professor Information Institute Information Institute College of Information College of Information Florida State University Florida State University E-mail: cmcclure@lis.fsu.edu E-mail: jbertot@fsu.edu Phone: 850.644.8709 Phone: 850.644.8118 ************************************************************************* * John Carlo Bertot, Ph.D. Phone: (850) 644-8118 * * Professor Fax: (850) 644-4522 * * College of Information Email: jbertot@fsu.edu * * Florida State University http://www.ii.fsu.edu/~jbertot * * 101 Shores Building * * Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100 * ************************************************************************* From jimb at northwestern.edu Mon Oct 23 11:48:58 2006 From: jimb at northwestern.edu (Jim Brucker) Date: Mon Oct 23 11:50:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <45395AF3.50505@cornell.edu> References: <20061020211258.53440.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com> <45395AF3.50505@cornell.edu> Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2006, at 6:25 PM, John Fereira wrote: > I found an freeware tool awhile back that'll do that and it seemed > to work pretty well. If you get a chance, could you let us know which program you used to do this? Thanks! -Jim ------------------------------------------ Jim Brucker Instructional Design Librarian Galter Health Sciences Library Feinberg School of Medicine Northwestern University 303 E. Chicago Ave. Chicago, IL 60611 From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 23 17:06:54 2006 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Mon Oct 23 17:06:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education Message-ID: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The Chronicle of Higher Education is hosting a live discussion of Wikipedia on Thursday, October 26, at 3 p.m., U.S. Eastern time: Wikipedia: Beat It, Join It, or Ignore It? http://chronicle.com/live/2006/10/halavais/chat.php3 There are also several articles (all written by Brock Read) about Wikipedia from the Chronicle issue dated October 27, 2006: Free access: Can Wikipedia Ever Make the Grade? Volume 53, Issue 10, Page A31. "As questions about the accuracy of the anyone-can-edit encyclopedia persist, academics are split on whether to ignore it, or start contributing." http://chronicle.com/free/v53/i10/10a03101.htm Subscriber access only: Building an Encyclopedia, With or Without Scholars. Volume 53, Issue 10, Page A33. http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i10/10a03301.htm Co-Founder of Wikipedia, Now a Critic, Starts Spinoff With Academic Editors. Volume 53, Issue 10, Page A35. http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i10/10a03501.htm Students Flock to an Easy-to-Use Reference, but Professors Warn That It's No Sure Thing. Volume 53, Issue 10, Page A36. http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i10/10a03601.htm Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. From donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca Mon Oct 23 17:09:29 2006 From: donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca (donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca) Date: Mon Oct 23 17:09:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access 2006 presentations & podcasts available Message-ID: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** The Access 2006 conference speaker presentations and podcasts are now available at: http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=10 Thanks go to everyone who ... through their attendance and participation, and in spite of Ottawa's inclement weather ... contributed toward making Access 2006 a huge success! Merci beaucoup, and enjoy! Donna Dinberg on behalf of the Access 2006 planning committee Ottawa, Ontario, Canada donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 17:22:23 2006 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Oct 23 17:22:27 2006 Subject: [Web4Lib] Access 2006 presentations & podcasts available In-Reply-To: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> References: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> Message-ID: I see some audio posted but I don't see a podcast link? Is there a podcast feed for the audio? The main RSS feed doesn't seem to have enclosures either. Maybe I missed it. Thanks. Ryan Eby On 10/23/06, donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca wrote: > ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** > > The Access 2006 conference speaker presentations and podcasts are now > available at: > > http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=10 > > Thanks go to everyone who ... through their attendance and participation, > and in spite of Ottawa's inclement weather ... contributed toward making > Access 2006 a huge success! > > Merci beaucoup, and enjoy! > > Donna Dinberg > on behalf of the Access 2006 planning committee > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 18:15:12 2006 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Oct 23 18:15:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access 2006 presentations & podcasts available In-Reply-To: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> References: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> Message-ID: Since I couldn't find a podcast feed I went ahead and created one. You can find it here: http://odeo.com/channel/140930/view If it seems like there are less presentations it is because many of the ones listed on the site are actually part of one audio file, which I combined in a single post/download. The podcast links to the audio on the original site. Ryan Eby On 10/23/06, donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca wrote: > ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** > > The Access 2006 conference speaker presentations and podcasts are now > available at: > > http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=10 > > Thanks go to everyone who ... through their attendance and participation, > and in spite of Ottawa's inclement weather ... contributed toward making > Access 2006 a huge success! > > Merci beaucoup, and enjoy! > > Donna Dinberg > on behalf of the Access 2006 planning committee > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca Mon Oct 23 22:16:11 2006 From: donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca (donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca) Date: Mon Oct 23 22:16:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access 2006 presentations & podcasts available In-Reply-To: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> References: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308F048B7@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> Message-ID: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C308184C25@exchange8.lac-bac.gc.ca> Thanks, Ryan. I will notify U. of Ottawa. Din. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Eby To: donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org; CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Sent: 10/23/06 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Access 2006 presentations & podcasts available Since I couldn't find a podcast feed I went ahead and created one. You can find it here: http://odeo.com/channel/140930/view If it seems like there are less presentations it is because many of the ones listed on the site are actually part of one audio file, which I combined in a single post/download. The podcast links to the audio on the original site. Ryan Eby On 10/23/06, donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca wrote: > ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** > > The Access 2006 conference speaker presentations and podcasts are now > available at: > > http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=10 > > Thanks go to everyone who ... through their attendance and participation, > and in spite of Ottawa's inclement weather ... contributed toward making > Access 2006 a huge success! > > Merci beaucoup, and enjoy! > > Donna Dinberg > on behalf of the Access 2006 planning committee > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From bfaust at bsu.edu Mon Oct 23 22:20:11 2006 From: bfaust at bsu.edu (Faust, Bradley D.) Date: Mon Oct 23 22:20:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61B4A06172C78444A3A8D6707D993D3104D14AEF@email02.bsu.edu> We've discussed subscription services like the Classical Music Library to supplement and broaden our music collection. One concern we have at our library is users grabbing the limited number of licenses early in the day and camping out for long periods denying access to product for a broader audience. Have sites that use these services experienced this problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bradley D. Faust, M.L.S. University Libraries ... a destination for research, learning, and friends Assistant Dean for Library v: 765 285-8032 Information Technology Services f: 765 285-1096 Ball State University e: bfaust@bsu.edu Muncie, IN 47306 The University Libraries provides services that support student pursuits for academic success and faculty endeavors for knowledge creation and classroom instruction. http://www.bsu.edu/library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:52 AM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Dear Web4lib, Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its ancient lp collection to a more modern format. There are some who have expressed concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as a format, so that *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise investment. If we already had a sizeable CD collection, it would only make sense to continue using that format. But starting from scratch, is that where we should be putting our money? I'm wondering what other libraries (particularly in the academic environment) are doing to provide students with access to music, and what they would do if they were starting from scratch? I've seen mention of colleges making deals with services like Napster, Rhapsody, Ruckus, etc. but haven't seen details. Also, I'm not sure that would have any significant coverage of music other than contemporary popular genres (in my limited experience, classical, jazz, etc. are not well represented). I've heard of Alexander Street Press' Classical Music Library, but I don't know how well it works, what its technical requirements are, whether students use it, etc. --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Oct 23 14:48:41 2006 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Mon Oct 23 22:36:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4AF7E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4AF7E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <98136745.20061023114841@riverofdata.com> Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 6:11:18 AM, you wrote: DB> So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the DB> toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to DB> achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be DB> held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? It doesn't have anything to do with growing beyond toddler stage OR tech snobbery. It is basic human behavior in all environments. How many members of this list ever post? A small percentage. The same is true for students raising their hand in class, people who contribute to a face to face meeting, and any other group environment. Even if everyone who contributed to a meeting was given a beer, a piece of chocolate, or something else, the majority still wouldn't do so. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com No one wins. One side just loses more slowly. From walter at katipo.co.nz Mon Oct 23 23:13:14 2006 From: walter at katipo.co.nz (Walter McGinnis) Date: Mon Oct 23 23:13:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <98136745.20061023114841@riverofdata.com> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4AF7E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> <98136745.20061023114841@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <822261D5-7796-42DC-9F2B-8942B78388AA@katipo.co.nz> I would think that people who are charged with supporting libraries would understand reading as a form of participation. You shouldn't discount an audience member as a non-participant. I think you vastly simplify the process of participation in all of your examples. A student may never raise their hand in class, but after class they might explain the concept lectured upon to a fellow class member who finally grasps it as result. This theoretical contribution was not seen by anyone besides the two talked outside of class, but did benefit the rest of the class. I'm not saying in the real world this is what always happens, but that isn't my point. My point is it's easy to get up on a high horse about others not "participating". Easier than opening up your eyes and seeing that world is not black and white and that there are many ways to contribute, not just the way YOU choose to. Cheers, Walter McGinnis On Oct 24, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Dan Lester wrote: > > > It doesn't have anything to do with growing beyond toddler stage OR > tech snobbery. It is basic human behavior in all environments. How > many members of this list ever post? A small percentage. The same is > true for students raising their hand in class, people who contribute > to a face to face meeting, and any other group environment. > > Even if everyone who contributed to a meeting was given a beer, a > piece of chocolate, or something else, the majority still wouldn't do > so. > From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 23:25:38 2006 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Mon Oct 23 23:25:43 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <61B4A06172C78444A3A8D6707D993D3104D14AEF@email02.bsu.edu> References: <61B4A06172C78444A3A8D6707D993D3104D14AEF@email02.bsu.edu> Message-ID: <5C56406F-14A7-4980-BE58-8E4259B632F4@gmail.com> As a current LIS student with an inclination towards music libraries, I've been following this thread closely. I would wonder if the basic premise of the original collection is valid. ARE CD's in their 'autumn years' as a format? CDs still hold a number of advantages over online resources: - They can be played on any device without DRM worries (ever try playing something from Naxos on an iPod? Or something from the iTunes Music Store on a Samsung player?) - They can quickly and easily be converted to newer formats. LP's must be done in realtime, but a CD can be ripped in a fraction of the time it takes to listen to it. You can put your entire collection online in a digital medium, if you so choose. (check out the Variations project at Indiana University) - They will be supported for the foreseeable future. - They won't go away if your library decides to cut the budget. They're yours once they're bought. All this is to say that, yes, while things are moving towards online distribution, there are still a LOT of kinks to be worked out in this arena. Given the choice between an older but stable medium, and one that could become obsolete next year with some new advancement in distribution / technology leaving me with nothing to show for the thousands of dollars I paid for the subscription, I would choose the former. That said, there are still a number of advantages to having an online subscription. If I were in your music library, I would start buying CDs as the core of my collection (things like the complete works of famous composers, monuments of music, etc.) and use the online subscriptions to help fill in the gaps. The best music libraries I've seen have been hybrids. Cheers, Andrew On 23-Oct-06, at 10:20 PM, Faust, Bradley D. wrote: > We've discussed subscription services like the Classical Music Library > to supplement and broaden our music collection. > > One concern we have at our library is users grabbing the limited > number > of licenses early in the day and camping out for long periods denying > access to product for a broader audience. Have sites that use these > services experienced this problem? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Bradley D. Faust, M.L.S. > University Libraries ... a destination for research, learning, and > friends > Assistant Dean for Library v: 765 285-8032 > Information Technology Services f: 765 285-1096 > Ball State University e: bfaust@bsu.edu > Muncie, IN 47306 > > The University Libraries provides services > that support student pursuits for academic > success and faculty endeavors for knowledge > creation and classroom instruction. > > http://www.bsu.edu/library > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:52 AM > To: web4lib > Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. > > Dear Web4lib, > > Our library is finally looking at trying to migrate from its > ancient lp > collection to a more modern format. There are some who have expressed > concern that Compact Disc is in its autumn years as a format, so that > *starting* a CD collection now would be an unwise investment. If we > already had a sizeable CD collection, it would only make sense to > continue using that format. But starting from scratch, is that > where we > should be putting our money? > > I'm wondering what other libraries (particularly in the academic > environment) are doing to provide students with access to music, and > what they would do if they were starting from scratch? > > I've seen mention of colleges making deals with services like Napster, > Rhapsody, Ruckus, etc. but haven't seen details. Also, I'm not sure > that would have any significant coverage of music other than > contemporary popular genres (in my limited experience, classical, > jazz, > etc. are not well represented). > > I've heard of Alexander Street Press' Classical Music Library, but I > don't know how well it works, what its technical requirements are, > whether students use it, etc. > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology > Catawba College > Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lars at aronsson.se Mon Oct 23 23:59:57 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (lars) Date: Mon Oct 23 23:56:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: B.G. Sloan wrote: > Can Wikipedia Ever Make the Grade? Volume 53, Issue 10, Page A31. > http://chronicle.com/free/v53/i10/10a03101.htm In that article, former ALA president Michael Gorman is quoted to have said: "The problem with an online encyclopedia created by anybody is that you have no idea whether you are reading an established person in the field or someone with an ax to grind". I'd say, if editors were required to be academics, we'd be more certain they had an ax to grind. I don't see how such a requirement on its own would solve any problems. Perhaps Larry Sanger's new project will show us, but I'm not betting on it. Later in the same article, however, history professor Roy Rosenzweig "notes, amusedly, that several Wikipedians appear to have since read his critiques and edited a number of articles in response to his concerns." This is where the academics fit in: reading Wikipedia and pointing out the errors, but not necessarily in writing the text to begin with. If professors find their Wikipedia edits are reverted, perhaps some scholarly journal could devote a column to "this month's errors in Wikipedia", from where experienced wikipedians could source corrections. Reporting an error is a contribution, even if it isn't edited right into the text at Wikipedia.org. Is this what the Chronicle wants to start here and now? If so, I hope future columns will find contributors who are educated beyond the level where they are surprised that they can edit Wikipedia or that articles contain many links. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From vctinney at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 01:16:37 2006 From: vctinney at sbcglobal.net (Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.) Date: Tue Oct 24 01:18:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education: We Report. You Decide. In-Reply-To: References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453DA1B5.1070704@sbcglobal.net> lars wrote: . . . >This is where the academics fit in: reading Wikipedia and pointing >out the errors, but not necessarily in writing the text to begin >with. . . . > > There is also the Fox News methodology: We Report. You Decide. Presently, The Citizendium " will be launching". http://www.citizendium.org/ In the meantime, I am placing key word Wikipedia articles on all related sites at The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ When the "gentle expert guidance" comes on board, it will be "reported" side by side with the Wikipedia key word articles, combined together with personal scholarly educational access resources obtained from years of Internet searching. Genealogy and Family History researchers will then be able to compare and report errors in contributions, EITHER from Wikipedia or Citizendium. Perhaps a better description: We Compile. You Decide. This way, "scholars can rub elbows with the general public"; i.e., the I'm OK, and you are also OK assessment process. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Oct 24 05:58:45 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Oct 24 05:58:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Optimizing services for the low-bandwidth communities Message-ID: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> On the heels of giving a talk in South Africa (and having a week of serious bandwidth withdrawal) I'm writing a Techsource post about optimizing web-based services for low-bandwidth communities. I'd appreciate any war stories, tips, and lessons-learned that you folks would like to share. K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com AIM/skype freerangelib From dfiander at uwo.ca Tue Oct 24 08:52:02 2006 From: dfiander at uwo.ca (David J. Fiander) Date: Tue Oct 24 08:52:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Optimizing services for the low-bandwidth communities In-Reply-To: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <453E0C72.9050101@uwo.ca> MPOW has recently begun an outreach program for health care workers in Rwanda. The Institute with which we are partnering does have a web presence that's hosted locally in Rwanda, but their link to the outside world is probably not much better than a fast dialup modem that's always on. It definitely leads one to appreciate the low-bandwidth design of google. I have often felt that web developers should be forced to spend at least half their time on a computer whose internet access has been throttled back to a fraction of a Mbit/sec, just so they can be aware of the speed at which many of their users still surf the net. - David K.G. Schneider wrote: > On the heels of giving a talk in South Africa (and having a week of serious > bandwidth withdrawal) I'm writing a Techsource post about optimizing > web-based services for low-bandwidth communities. I'd appreciate any war > stories, tips, and lessons-learned that you folks would like to share. > > K.G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > AIM/skype freerangelib > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- David J. Fiander | +1 519 661 2111 ext 86369 Digital Services Librarian | http://www.lib.uwo.ca/taylor/ Allyn & Betty Taylor Library | MSN chat: dfiander@uwo.ca University of Western Ontario | From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 09:00:35 2006 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Oct 24 09:01:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Optimizing services for the low-bandwidth communities In-Reply-To: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: It is interesting to reflect the orders of magnitude of difference in connection speeds. William Kennard, former FCC commissioner, wrote in the NYT recently that the digital divide is now a digital broadband divide. One of the coolest examples of how Muhammad Yunus's microloans help people is a woman taking out a loan for $150 to get a cell phone. She then travels from village to village and resells her minutes, acting as a local pay phone. Then someone with rice to sell can call the market in the next town and find out if the price is worth the journey. That's what the Internet excels at: getting information to everyone, and matching buyers with sellers. Thankfully, you don't need broadband to achieve those goals. We live in a world where Internet connection speeds vary from 56K to 768K to a few megabits per second to 10, and 100, and 1000. And from 20 inch screens to 12 inch to 4 inch on a cell phone. A properly designed Web site can serve them all. /rich On 10/24/06, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > On the heels of giving a talk in South Africa (and having a week of > serious > bandwidth withdrawal) I'm writing a Techsource post about optimizing > web-based services for low-bandwidth communities. I'd appreciate any war > stories, tips, and lessons-learned that you folks would like to share. > > K.G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > AIM/skype freerangelib > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From dorman at indexdata.com Tue Oct 24 10:16:48 2006 From: dorman at indexdata.com (David Dorman) Date: Tue Oct 24 10:22:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Optimizing services for the low-bandwidth communities In-Reply-To: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <20061024095853.58CC610DFE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061024093828.06546c98@indexdata.com> At 05:58 AM 10/24/2006, K.G. Schneider wrote: >On the heels of giving a talk in South Africa (and having a week of serious >bandwidth withdrawal) I'm writing a Techsource post about optimizing >web-based services for low-bandwidth communities. I'd appreciate any war >stories, tips, and lessons-learned that you folks would like to share. Karen, Here are some guidelines for managing Internet Bandwidth I wrote two years ago for university libraries in East and West Africa, and recently revised based on feedback from Chris Wilson, the Chief Engineer of Aidworld. INASP, in conjunction with ICTP, has published a book on bandwidth management that is available online at http://www.bwmo.net/. David INTERNET BANDWIDTH MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES FOR UNIVERSITIES IN EAST AND WEST AFRICA A report written in December 2003, entitled "VSAT Case Studies: Nigeria and Algeria" (http://www.researchictafrica.net/images/upload/vsatngdz.pdf), indicated that Nigerian ISPs paid between $3.40 and $4.70 per Kbps of bandwidth per month for VSAT connections. Some Nigerian universities are currently pay much higher prices. This report stated that in Lagos, almost 20% of cyber cafe users were scholars. This figure is an indication of the current failure of Nigerian universities to provide adequate Internet access to its faculty. Through negotiations with Satellite ISPs, the Partnership for Higher Education in Africa (http://www.foundation-partnership.org/linchpin/index.php) has been able to reduce those rates through consortial purchase of bandwidth, to slightly less than $3.00 per Kbps. This is, however, still hundreds of times more expensive than the cost of bandwidth for Universities in North America. Because Internet connectivity is so costly in most of sub-Saharan Africa, and is likely to remain so for some time, careful and continuous bandwidth management is essential for effective access to Internet-based resources. It is this writer's estimation, based on the expected utilization level of Internet-connected workstations on University campuses (minimum 50%) and the file size of many typical Internet-based library resources (in excess of 2MB), that a 4 Mbps to 6 Mbps downlink capacity is the minimum realistic baseline for Internet connectivity for large universities. Even with a 4 to 6 Mbps bandwidth capacity, faculty and students will not have effective access to educational resources on the Internet unless the university's bandwidth is managed effectively. As Chris Wilson, the Chief Engineer of Aidworld (www.aidworld.org) has noted: "upgrading the bandwidth will not provide any improvement in real performance unless the network is already well managed, and viruses and music downloads are eliminated." The following suggestions are meant to be an overview of the technical and organizational components that an effective bandwidth management program might contain. They are not meant as a detailed blueprint. EMAIL BANDWIDTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES 1.Only allow the use of Web email services that are bandwidth efficient, such as Fastmail (http://www.fastMail.fm) and Gmail (http://mail.google.com/mail/help/about.html). One of the criteria in evaluating which such services to allow should be the service's ability to effectively filter spam. In addition to providing the university community with stable and reliable university-based email accounts, the university should also consider offering "an internal webmail server that uses IMAP to communicate with these services (e.g. Fastmail or Gmail), so that students have a permanent address that is accessible from outside the university and does not cease to function when they leave the university." (Chris Wilson). 2.Implement a spam filter to support efficient email use (e.g. SpamAssassin (http://spamassassin.apache.org/)). Although spam filtering by the university's email server will not increase effective bandwidth, it will enhance the experience of those using the university's email service. 3.Try to find some way to get spam filtering services provided outside of the campus network, so that email can be filtered for spam before it gets downloaded from the Internet. This will save considerable bandwidth usage. Possible strategies are to arrange for the University's ISP provider to filter spam, or making an arrangement from a European or North American university that would be willing to intercept all incoming email and filter it before passing it on to the University's mail server. 4.Establish a policy of holding all outgoing email messages that exceed a certain size (e.g. 10KB), sending them out late at night when bandwidth usage is low. This will encourage responsible email behavior without adversely affecting most communication. WEB BANDWIDTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES 5.Obtain and use Internet Filtering Software to limit unrestricted Internet surfing during times of peak use (e.g. DansGuardian (http://dansguardian.org/?page=introduction), SquidGuard (http://www.squidguard.org/intro)) 6.Cache frequently accessed sites using a web proxy cache. This is middleware that acts as an intermediary between clients and remote web servers, caching frequently requested pages to avoid contacting the server repeatedly for the same page. One example is Squid Web Proxy Cache (see http://www.squid-cache.org/). 7.Limit the amount of bandwidth an individual user has available for downloading, either by establishing a fixed individual limit or by dynamically sharing the available bandwidth "fairly" among active users. The word "fairly" is used, rather than "equally," because sharing bandwidth equally among users can have an adverse effect on obtaining library resources. Files are measured in bytes, whereas bandwidth is measured in bits. This means that it takes eight seconds to download a 64 KB file fully utilizing a 64 Kbps connection. Excessively slowing download speeds of library resources will frustrate researches and effectively curtain effective access to those resources. It is not uncommon for a JSTOR* .pdf-formatted document to be 2MB in size. If downloading such a document were limited to a rate of 9.6Kbps, for example, it would take over 25 minutes. (*A service providing African universities free access to high quality academic journal articles.) 8.Make arrangement with universities in Europe or North American to host mirror sites of the library's web site and locally stored resources that the library makes available over the Internet. This will prevent access from remote users from using the library's scarce bandwidth resources. MISCELLANEOUS SERVER-SIDE SUGGESTIONS 9.Use a traffic shaper to prioritize Internet use by application and by individual computer or group of computers. Packeteer (www.packeteer.com) is an example of a company that offers hardware and software for traffic shaping. Instruction for building one's own traffic shaper can be found in the BMO book (http://www.bwmo.net/) 10.Monitor Internet traffic to identify network bottlenecks, overload situations and chronically heavy bandwidth users. The Multi Router Traffic Grapher (MRTG), distributed under an Open Source license, is one such traffic monitoring tool (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/). 11.Locate DNS servers on the campus intranet to avoid Internet bandwidth being taken up by DNS lookups. 12.Supplementing Bandwidth with "Storewidth." This means storing all library content leased or otherwise obtained from publishers, full text aggregaters and other content distributors on the universities servers whenever possible. 13.Carefully tune the TCP/IP stack on the proxy server. This can make Internet connections over satellite (such as VSAT) significantly faster. PC ADMINISTRATION AFFECTING INTERNET BANDWIDTH PERFORMANCE 14.Keep all network-connected PCs installed with up-to-date antivirus and anti-spyware software. 15. See that all network-connected PCs are using a proxy cache for Windows. 16.Lock down all network-connected computers to prevent the installation of such unwanted software as file sharing (peer-to-peer) applications. 17.Configure all network-connected computers so that when hard disks are corrupted by such things as power outages or the installation of bad software, they can be easily restored to a working state. The use of Ghost images (e.g. Norton's Ghost utility) is one way to accomplish this. Another way is to use a network-based client configuration manager to maintain and restore individual PC configurations. TRAINING FOR NETWORK ADMINISTRATORS No strategy for bandwidth management will succeed without well-trained network administrators who are able to diagnose and fix network and bandwidth problems. High quality and continuous training of network managers is the single most important ingredient in effective Internet bandwidth management. >K.G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com >AIM/skype freerangelib > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.orghttp://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ David Dorman US Marketing Manager, Index Data 52 Whitman Ave. West Hartford, Connecticut 06107 dorman@indexdata.com 860-389-1568 or toll free 866-489-1568 fax: 860-561-5613 INDEX DATA Means Business for Open Source and Open Standards - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.indexdata.com From MeliaM at upstate.edu Tue Oct 24 10:56:36 2006 From: MeliaM at upstate.edu (Michele Melia) Date: Tue Oct 24 10:57:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Library Web Applications Developer Message-ID: Library Web Applications Developer Job Summary: Upstate Medical University Health Sciences Library seeks an innovative, creative and flexible team-player to participate in the development of a state-of-the art library web presence. Responsibilities include: creating and maintaining web, database and multimedia applications for the Library; involvement in all phases of web-based projects including design, development, testing, documentation and support; implementation of usability guidelines/tests and current coding conventions; assistance with planning departmental web and database development strategies; remain current with cutting-edge web practices and emerging technologies. Additional responsibilities: working with the Associate Director and the technical services team to ensure that library resources and infrastructure meet the needs of the Upstate community. Reporting to the Head of Web Services; this position will contribute to departmental tasks and special initiatives as assigned. The Health Sciences Library provides services and resources to a variety of audiences including the colleges of medicine, graduate studies, health professions, and nursing and University Hospital and the central NY community. Programs are expanding in the areas of evidence-based practice and consumer/patient health information. We also are working to redesign our web presence to meet more intuitively the needs of our customers. For more information about our library and its services and resources, please visit our homepage: www.upstate.edu/library Qualifications: Required: Bachelor's degree and 2 years experience with web programming and database design/management or Associate's degree and 4 years experience. Demonstrated experience with dynamic, database-driven web technologies; proficiency with web programming languages (i.e., PHP, Perl, ColdFusion) and database design/management; functional knowledge of HTML, CSS, and UNIX. Preferred: Advanced degree and/or certification; strong communication and interpersonal skills, the ability to work on multiple projects with shifting priorities and a propensity for learning new technologies; proven ability to interact successfully with various levels of staff in a team-oriented, collaborative environment; experience with project management Salary: $47,000 + DOQ Application Procedures: Review of applications will begin immediately. You may apply directly on-line at www.upstate.edu with a resume and cover letter. Or you may mail your resume and cover letter to: Head of Search Committee, Library Web Applications Developer, Health Sciences Library, 750 E. Adams Street, Syracuse, NY 13210. SUNY Upstate Medical University is an AA/EEO/ADA employer, committed to excellence through diversity. Michele Melia, MA, MLS Electronic Resources Librarian SUNY Upstate Medical University 766 Irving Avenue Syracuse, NY 13210 315.464.7192 meliam@upstate.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Oct 24 11:08:04 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Oct 24 11:08:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Optimizing services for the low-bandwidth communities In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061024150813.54D771B9B8@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> One of the coolest examples of how Muhammad Yunus's microloans help people is a woman taking out a loan for $150 to get a cell phone.? She then travels from village to village and resells her minutes, acting as a local pay phone.? Then someone with rice to? sell can call the market in the next town and find out if the price is worth the journey. ???? All the suggestions are good, though Rich is really echoing what's in the back of my mind on two levels. One is that the cell phone is ubiquitous in South Africa. People either have cell phones or use communal cell phone booths. For large portions of the population, cell phone is a FIRST, not a supplemental service?POTS never got there, and the Web ain't there yet. But the cell phone has made a huge impact (I love that microloan example). ??? We live in a world where Internet connection speeds vary from 56K to 768K to a few megabits per second to 10, and 100, and 1000.? And from 20 inch screens to 12 inch to 4 inch on a cell phone.? A properly designed Web site can serve them all. /rich ??? That's the other angle I was zeroing in on: tips for ensuring your website (or library service) can reach the user. I don't want to write my column here (I'm sure my editor is relieved to hear that :> ) but after being in South Africa for a couple of days before giving a talk on Library 2.0, I scrapped some ideas, modified others, and should have talked more about SMS and cell phones. Someone mentioned Google: boy, talk about a site that will perform well under any circumstances. I was presenting over a 40 kbps connection, and Google was a champ?but Amazon did pretty well, interestingly. MPOW's site did well too, as I smugly demonstrated during my talk. But some sites were horrendous?forget about Second Life?while some, such as Flickr, could really benefit from some low bandwidth (lowband?) options. I like David Dorman's "meta" suggestions; but tips for library website maintainers, L2 advocates, etc. are also welcome. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From marc.davis at DRAKE.EDU Tue Oct 24 11:22:06 2006 From: marc.davis at DRAKE.EDU (Marc W. Davis) Date: Tue Oct 24 11:22:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab Message-ID: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> There is some [vague at best] discussion going on here about adding a "media" lab into our InfoCommons mix.? This is a very unformed notion as yet unsupported by any real needs assessment or user survey.? What I'm hearing ranges from CD/DVD burning to video production, with stops along the way for podcasting, flash, html, scanning, conferencing, and who knows what else.? Up until now, the InfoCommons has been framed as a fairly standard library computer lab -- databases, office apps, miscellaneous course-specific plugins. I'd like to find out what sort of software, infrastructure, personnel?and capabilities more advanced installations provide to users (both students and faculty) and suggestions as to "model" sites or good resources to begin with in examining how we can expand our services. Thanks for your time and attention. ------------- Marc W. Davis Systems Administration Associate Cowles Library Drake University (515) 271- 1934 From john.fink at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 11:30:18 2006 From: john.fink at gmail.com (John Fink) Date: Tue Oct 24 11:30:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab In-Reply-To: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> References: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> Message-ID: <502896f40610240830m15c07ba9r39e9151c5e30941e@mail.gmail.com> Marc, Here's a page about our media lab -- http://www.lib.muohio.edu/computing/cim-guidelines.php. It sounds right about in line with what you're trying to do. As for personnel, there are three staff people (one librarian, two classified staff) who are involved with lab operations and management, although two of them have significant duties outside of the lab. If you're interested in the student staff numbers, let me know and I'll try to find them out. I myself am not involved in the day-to-day operations of the lab, but from what I can see it's a very significant resource for our students -- particularly our large format poster printers which can get a phenomenal amount of patron activity. jf On 10/24/06, Marc W. Davis wrote: > > > > There is some [vague at best] discussion going on here about adding > a "media" lab into our InfoCommons mix. This is a very unformed > notion as yet unsupported by any real needs assessment or user > survey. What I'm hearing ranges from CD/DVD burning to video > production, with stops along the way for podcasting, flash, html, > scanning, conferencing, and who knows what else. Up until now, the > InfoCommons has been framed as a fairly standard library computer lab > -- databases, office apps, miscellaneous course-specific plugins. > > I'd like to find out what sort of software, infrastructure, > personneland capabilities more advanced installations provide to > users (both students and faculty) and suggestions as to "model" sites > or good resources to begin with in examining how we can expand our > services. > > Thanks for your time and attention. > > ------------- > Marc W. Davis > Systems Administration Associate > Cowles Library > Drake University > (515) 271- 1934 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From amostrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 12:18:27 2006 From: amostrom at gmail.com (Amy Ostrom) Date: Tue Oct 24 12:18:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab In-Reply-To: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> References: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> Message-ID: <2dfe2dd0610240918w17267997q44724039db2486d3@mail.gmail.com> Dear Marc (and other Web4Libbers): I enjoyed what the University of Wisconsin-Madison's College Library had to offer its students. It had a couple machines devoted to media production and about a hundred other computers for general use. The staff were also students hired with technical abilities. You can see the main page at: http://college.library.wisc.edu/cmc/ A list of the software available at: http://www.doit.wisc.edu/computerlabs/detail.asp?LabID=6#software And a list of the hardware available at: http://college.library.wisc.edu/cmc/pages_computer/hardware.html The four or so computers in the media lab were used frequently, and this isn't the only "media" infolab on the campus. Hope that helps! -- In peace, Amy M Ostrom Web Interface Designer amostrom@gmail.com On 10/24/06, Marc W. Davis wrote: > > > > There is some [vague at best] discussion going on here about adding > a "media" lab into our InfoCommons mix. This is a very unformed > notion as yet unsupported by any real needs assessment or user > survey. What I'm hearing ranges from CD/DVD burning to video > production, with stops along the way for podcasting, flash, html, > scanning, conferencing, and who knows what else. Up until now, the > InfoCommons has been framed as a fairly standard library computer lab > -- databases, office apps, miscellaneous course-specific plugins. > > I'd like to find out what sort of software, infrastructure, > personneland capabilities more advanced installations provide to > users (both students and faculty) and suggestions as to "model" sites > or good resources to begin with in examining how we can expand our > services. > > Thanks for your time and attention. > > ------------- > Marc W. Davis > Systems Administration Associate > Cowles Library > Drake University > (515) 271- 1934 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From araby at unr.edu Tue Oct 24 12:42:43 2006 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Y Greene) Date: Tue Oct 24 12:43:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab Message-ID: <7DFCFF4D7D728742B3EC03BB1216C48A034D807D@UNRX.unr.edu> We have a Dynamic Media Lab (http://www.it.unr.edu/media/lab.asp) and a Software and Visualization Lab (http://www2.library.unr.edu/dataworks/lab.html) at the University of Nevada, Reno Library. Both have been well-received by students and faculty. These labs will also be prominent features of our new Knowledge Center, which is under construction (http://www.knowledgecenter.unr.edu/) -araby __________________________ Araby Greene Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 University of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ http://www.knowledgecenter.unr.edu/ http://tahoe.unr.edu/ araby@unr.edu 775.784.6500 x343 ???? /| ? \'o.O' ? =(___)= ??? U ACK! THPTPHH! > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib- > bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marc W. Davis > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:22 AM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab > > > > There is some [vague at best] discussion going on here about adding > a "media" lab into our InfoCommons mix.? This is a very unformed > notion as yet unsupported by any real needs assessment or user > survey.? What I'm hearing ranges from CD/DVD burning to video > production, with stops along the way for podcasting, flash, html, > scanning, conferencing, and who knows what else.? Up until now, the > InfoCommons has been framed as a fairly standard library computer lab > -- databases, office apps, miscellaneous course-specific plugins. > > I'd like to find out what sort of software, infrastructure, > personnel?and capabilities more advanced installations provide to > users (both students and faculty) and suggestions as to "model" sites > or good resources to begin with in examining how we can expand our > services. > > Thanks for your time and attention. > > ------------- > Marc W. Davis > Systems Administration Associate > Cowles Library > Drake University > (515) 271- 1934 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mike at indexdata.com Tue Oct 24 12:58:39 2006 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Tue Oct 24 12:58:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <20061021001859.86894.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <453942E3.8040302@criminal-sound.com> <20061021001859.86894.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17726.17983.834383.985214@localhost.localdomain> Avrum Shepard writes: >> IF you are making copies of material that is copyrighted, then you >> may need to keep the originals - not sell them. I would check with >> someone about this. My understanding of copyright is that you have >> the right to make "use"copies as long as you own the originals. >> However, if you sell the originals, your right to have (and >> circulate) copies may cease. (But I'm not a lawyer...) > > Oh my gosh, I really blundered with that suggestion. > Mr. Irwin is undoubtedly correct. Actually, he may or may not be -- no-one, and I mean no-one, knows yet. This stuff has to be decided by the courts as the law itself is of course not explicit about scenarios that weren't possible when it was drafted. And until there's case law to fall back on, no-one really knows what the legal position is. I know it's crazy, but it's true. There's a fascinating interview on this subject at Slashdot: http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/13/1627205 the subject of the interview is a lawyer, whose answers are interesting largely for what they omit. It's worth skimming the comments for his own follow-ups: the picture that emerges is very definitely one of No-One Knows What's Legal Yet. Good luck, everyone. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "One generation's 'amusing dreck' is the next generation's high literature. ('I think the anvil landing on the coyote's head symbolizes ...')" -- Bill Cameron. From mike at indexdata.com Tue Oct 24 13:02:11 2006 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Tue Oct 24 13:02:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> lars writes: > Later in the same article, however, history professor Roy > Rosenzweig "notes, amusedly, that several Wikipedians appear to > have since read his critiques and edited a number of articles in > response to his concerns." This is good. Rosenzweig notes this "amusedly", but in fact it is the Wikipedia in action doing precisely what it is supposed to do: correct itself quickly as soon as errors are detected. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do, after all" -- Larry Wall. From crawforw at oclc.org Tue Oct 24 13:12:37 2006 From: crawforw at oclc.org (Crawford,Walt) Date: Tue Oct 24 13:12:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. In-Reply-To: <17726.17983.834383.985214@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: While Make Taylor may be technically correct, I would suggest that--at least in the U.S.--the chances of this behavior being judged legal are extremely slender, and given the statutory penalties for each act of infringement, you're taking a pretty big chance in assuming legality. (Remember: The multi-thousand-dollar fine is for each act...at the very least, each CD that you rip and sell.) I'll also suggest that legality isn't the only question: That it's unethical behavior to make a copy that you plan to retain and use, and then sell the original. At least it violates my ethical space. Even if I dislike RIAA and its hard-edged copyright stance (which I do), that doesn't justify what comes pretty close to theft in my values system. Two wrongs still don't make a right (fair use or otherwise). I'm not a lawyer either, but this sounds both dangerous and wrong. Walt Crawford -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:59 AM To: ashepard@well.com Cc: Charlie Irwin; web4lib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Where to invest in music collection. Avrum Shepard writes: >> IF you are making copies of material that is copyrighted, then you >> may need to keep the originals - not sell them. I would check with >> someone about this. My understanding of copyright is that you have >> the right to make "use"copies as long as you own the originals. >> However, if you sell the originals, your right to have (and >> circulate) copies may cease. (But I'm not a lawyer...) > > Oh my gosh, I really blundered with that suggestion. > Mr. Irwin is undoubtedly correct. Actually, he may or may not be -- no-one, and I mean no-one, knows yet. This stuff has to be decided by the courts as the law itself is of course not explicit about scenarios that weren't possible when it was drafted. And until there's case law to fall back on, no-one really knows what the legal position is. I know it's crazy, but it's true. There's a fascinating interview on this subject at Slashdot: http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/13/1627205 the subject of the interview is a lawyer, whose answers are interesting largely for what they omit. It's worth skimming the comments for his own follow-ups: the picture that emerges is very definitely one of No-One Knows What's Legal Yet. Good luck, everyone. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "One generation's 'amusing dreck' is the next generation's high literature. ('I think the anvil landing on the coyote's head symbolizes ...')" -- Bill Cameron. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jimm at wingate.edu Tue Oct 24 13:21:50 2006 From: jimm at wingate.edu (Jimm Wetherbee) Date: Tue Oct 24 13:21:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453E4BAE.7090403@wingate.edu> Mike, Amusing or not, wouldn't the question be how much vetting is necessary before an article goes out as authoritative to those who are not experts in the subject under consideration and how do the rest of us know that a given article is "good enough." I am reminded of those who refuse to install a version of Windows until after the first service pack is released; though at least there one does have a measure of when the product is mostly stable. --jimm Mike Taylor wrote: > lars writes: > > Later in the same article, however, history professor Roy > > Rosenzweig "notes, amusedly, that several Wikipedians appear to > > have since read his critiques and edited a number of articles in > > response to his concerns." > > This is good. Rosenzweig notes this "amusedly", but in fact it is the > Wikipedia in action doing precisely what it is supposed to do: correct > itself quickly as soon as errors are detected. > > _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's > paid to do, after all" -- Larry Wall. > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Oct 24 13:59:16 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Oct 24 13:59:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Firefox 2.0 -- Avaialble on FTP site Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101B54010@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> [ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0] I found Firefox 2.0 on the mozilla ftp site . Download may be slow. Categories: * FireFox Firefox -- Posted by Bill Drew to Baby Boomer Librarian at 10/24/2006 12:12:00 PM From darby.lists at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 14:09:53 2006 From: darby.lists at gmail.com (Andrew Darby) Date: Tue Oct 24 14:10:00 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab In-Reply-To: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> References: <20061024102206.xgzkksy9bco8cc0c@webmail.drake.edu> Message-ID: Marc, You could check out the New Media Consortium (NMC) website: http://www.nmc.org/ There is a membership page, some of these link directly to the New Media Center (or whatever the institution calls it), although others just link to the institution's home page. It's somewhere to start if you want to see what's being done elsewhere: http://www.nmc.org/membership/index.shtml We investigated this recently, wrote up the requisite report. Much of it was specific to our environment, but we identified five types of media centers (with examples) and perhaps this would be helpful: Model 1 NMC Lab Model (Self-Service) A NMC lab is a creative place where faculty and students can gain access to multimedia hardware and software to create, design, capture, record, edit, and publish new media content. Computer labs are equipped with high-end computer editing stations, decks, and monitors along with media editing software. Equipment can also be loaned out. This model applies a self-service approach with access to trained consultants who can provide basic training and troubleshooting. ? Virginia Tech - New Media Center - http://www.nmc.vt.edu ? Princeton - New Media Center - http://www.princeton.edu/~newmedia ? U of Texas - Center for Instructional Technologies - http://www.utexas.edu/academic/cit/index.html ? Mississippi State U - Instructional Media Center Department - http://library.msstate.edu/content/templates/?a=3 ? U of Hawaii - Digital Media Center - http://www.dmc.hawaii.edu Model 2 NMC Full Service Model A NMC full-service model blends traditional and new media production services. This model resembles a Kinko's store. For example, the client is greeted at a front counter; employees take and process a client's work-order(s); the client returns later to pick up his/her completed job or project. In the back is a meeting room where employees meet with clients who require long-term project development. This model offers a wide range of media services, such as: video production, media duplication, photography, graphic design, specialty printing, multimedia and computer graphics. The Center charges a competitive fee for all services. ? Cal State, Chico - Instructional Media Center - http://www.csuchico.edu/imc ? U of Oregon - Center for Educational Technologies - http://libweb.uoregon.edu/cet Model 3 NMC Studio Model The NMC Studio model is a state-of-the-art campus studio with full-time employees charged with overseeing and managing approved projects. The production studio accepts ongoing proposals from faculty. Proposals are reviewed and awarded. Projects fulfill faculty's need to experiment with new interactive modes of instruction. A team of developers build faculty-based media projects with the goal of enhancing teaching and learning at the College. The overall focus is on research, development and innovation, rather than on user support, troubleshooting, and fix-it activities. ? Yale - Center for Media Initiatives - http://cmi.yale.edu ? Calvin College - Digital Studio - http://digitalstudio.calvin.edu ? U of Maryland - New Media Studio - http://asp1.umbc.edu/newmedia/studio ? U of Oregon - Interactive Media Group - http://nmc.uoregon.edu Model 4 NMC Department Model A NMC Department Model provides a full set of instructional services, including classroom training facilities, video editing labs, audio editing labs, self-service faculty lab(s), and a media development studio. All of these individual services are lumped under one NMC department or a sub-department. ? UC Berkeley - Educational Technology Services - http://ets.berkeley.edu ? U of Nebraska-Lincoln - New Media Center - http://www.itg.unl.edu/nmc ? UCLA - Office of Instructional Development - http://www.oid.ucla.edu ? U of Minnesota - Digital Media Center - http://dmc.umn.edu ? U of North Dakota - Center for Instructional and Learning Technologies - http://www.cilt.und.nodak.edu ? U of Wisconsin Milwaukee - Learning Technology Center - http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/LTC/services.html ? Case - Instructional Technology and Academic Computing (ITAC) - http://www.case.edu/its/itac Model 5 NMC Satellite Model Rather than building one "brick and mortar" lab to accommodate the entire campus, this model provides resources to individual schools and departments to build their own smaller New Media Lab within their own space. These satellite labs can be linked together by a common website and share support and training resources. ? Dartmouth - Instructional Centers -http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/resources/facilities/classrooms/instructional.html ? Brown - Multimedia Labs - http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/CIS/blogs/mml-tech Andrew On 10/24/06, Marc W. Davis wrote: > > > There is some [vague at best] discussion going on here about adding > a "media" lab into our InfoCommons mix. This is a very unformed > notion as yet unsupported by any real needs assessment or user > survey. What I'm hearing ranges from CD/DVD burning to video > production, with stops along the way for podcasting, flash, html, > scanning, conferencing, and who knows what else. Up until now, the > InfoCommons has been framed as a fairly standard library computer lab > -- databases, office apps, miscellaneous course-specific plugins. > > I'd like to find out what sort of software, infrastructure, > personneland capabilities more advanced installations provide to > users (both students and faculty) and suggestions as to "model" sites > or good resources to begin with in examining how we can expand our > services. > > Thanks for your time and attention. > > ------------- > Marc W. Davis > Systems Administration Associate > Cowles Library > Drake University > (515) 271- 1934 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Andrew Darby Web Services Librarian Ithaca College Library http://www.ithaca.edu/library/ adarby@ithaca.edu From mike at indexdata.com Tue Oct 24 14:35:09 2006 From: mike at indexdata.com (Mike Taylor) Date: Tue Oct 24 14:35:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <453E4BAE.7090403@wingate.edu> References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> <453E4BAE.7090403@wingate.edu> Message-ID: <17726.23773.284892.398144@localhost.localdomain> Jimm Wetherbee writes: > Amusing or not, wouldn't the question be how much vetting is > necessary before an article goes out as authoritative to those who > are not experts in the subject under consideration and how do the > rest of us know that a given article is "good enough." I think the issue here is confusion between "authoritative" (which no Wikipedia article will ever be) and "good enough" (which 99% of Wikipedia articles are for most purposes). I use Wikipedia _a lot_ for finding out about stuff, and especially for pointers to the primary literature. Of course, like you, I would never treat it as an authoritative source. But neither would I treat Brittanica as authoritative -- would you? Surely the point of all encyclopedia is to give a non-authoritative overview of subjects and to point to where authoritative information can be had. On that basis, I find Wikipedia way more satisfactory that Brittanica because: - It's a click away - It's free (as in free beer) - It's free (as in free speech) - Its coverage is much wider - It doesn't give the false impression of authority! None of this is to say that Wikipedia is perfect -- of course. It's way short of perfect. It's just that it's way better than anything else that's out there. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "Half a bee, philosophically, must ipso-facto half not-be, / But half the bee has got to be, vis-a-vis its entity. D'you see? / But can a bee be said to be, or not to be, an entire bee, / When half the bee is not a bee, due to some ancient injury?" -- _Eric the Half a Bee_, Monty Python. From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Tue Oct 24 15:09:05 2006 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Tue Oct 24 15:09:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <17726.23773.284892.398144@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> <453E4BAE.7090403@wingate.edu> <17726.23773.284892.398144@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453E64D1.7020603@kcoyle.net> Mike Taylor wrote: > - It's a click away > - It's free (as in free beer) > - It's free (as in free speech) > - Its coverage is much wider > - It doesn't give the false impression of authority! > > > It also has an interesting quality that I appreciate when I compare it to something like a web search (avoiding the G word ;-)): There is an article where all of the data on a topic has been pulled together. The work has been done for you. I know that's what an encyclopedia is supposed to be, but I also know that some people use search engines (and I used to, too) for queries like the ones I now take to wikipedia. When I want to know more about the 1866 Italian plebiscite, I don't want to have to rummage through a bunch of web sites or articles on one aspect of that topic, I want the topic organized into a single article with a general overview, some specifics, and a decent bibliography. kc -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Oct 24 15:27:10 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Oct 24 15:27:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] New Custom Search Engine - WLANs and Libraries Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101B54079@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I have created a new Google Co-op - Custom Search Engine: WLANs and Libraries . I am looking for people to help me add resources to it. If you are interested in helping to contribute to it in a serious way, please let me know by either e-mailing me at drewwe@morrisville.edu or by adding a comment to this message. I will then send you an invitation. I am not opening this up to allow anyone to add resources. I want to pick the people who contribute to it. Click on the link above to see it in action. I have also put a search box on the Wireless Libraries Blog . Technorati Tags: Google , WiFi , Libraries , WLANS -- Posted by Bill Drew to Wireless Libraries at 10/24/2006 03:30:36 PM From lsherby at hunter.cuny.edu Tue Oct 24 16:02:43 2006 From: lsherby at hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Tue Oct 24 16:03:31 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Position available NYSHEI Executive Director (NY State) Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061024155337.07426ec0@hunter.cuny.edu> This is an unique opportunity to provide leadership in a new state-wide organization that advocates on behalf of public and private academic libraries in New York State. NYSHEI Executive Director Position Description This position is offered through the SUNY System Sponsored Programs Office, an operating location of the Research Foundation of State University of New York, a private, nonprofit educational corporation supporting research, education and public service at the State university of New York. TITLE: Executive Director REPORTS TO: Board of Directors GENERAL: The New York State Higher Education Initiative (NYSHEI) is a collaborative member-governed organization of public and private academic libraries and institutions in the state. Its 138 members share a broad mission ?to develop, enhance and preserve our research and educational services, collections and resources for the benefit of faculty, students, and the larger research community, and to promote new methods of scholarly communication." NYSHEI is a sponsored program of the State University of New York (SUNY) Research Foundation, a 501(c) (3) not-for-profit organization. NYSHEI is located in Albany at Nylink. POSITION SUMMARY: The Executive Director is responsible for the development and implementation of policies, procedures and programs to carry out the directions set by the Board of Directors. Advocacy and member relations are key responsibilities of the Executive Director. In performing these duties, the Executive Director confers regularly with the Board and communicates regularly with the membership. QUALIFICATIONS: Professional: Minimum: Master?s Degree; five years of professional experience in an academic library or other higher education agency; working knowledge of issues and trends affecting academic libraries and higher education Preferred: experience with a membership organization governed by a board; evidence of successful advocacy efforts; working knowledge of New York State legislative environment. Personal: Minimum: Excellent oral and written communication skills, with demonstrated ability to write analytical policy documents and concise briefings; and demonstrated ability at public speaking; effective team building and community building; strong commitment to fostering collaborations. MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDE: 1. Advocacy ? Advocates NYSHEI initiatives through written and oral communication with the New York State Legislature, Education Department, and other government agencies ? Develops partnerships with public and private organizations in higher education and research and economic development communities ? Coordinates strategies and facilitates efforts for obtaining state support for NYSHEI initiatives 2. Membership ? Promotes member awareness of the organization and benefits of institutional membership through print and electronic means ? Educates prospective members, stakeholders, and the academic community at large about the services and activities of the organization ? Builds a sense of community among the members by organizing programs, meetings and seminars ? Represents the organization at external meetings and in public fora. 3. Management ? Confers regularly with Board Chair, officers and committee chairs to implement Board decisions; assists Board Chair in planning agendas; attends Board meetings ? Develops policies, programs and procedures to implement the goals of the Board; regularly reports on progress, accomplishments, and challenges in implementing Board decisions. ? Attends meetings of Board committees and working groups as appropriate and communicates and coordinates information among working groups. ? Manages the office and financial procedures of the organization in coordination with NYLINK and the SUNY Research Foundation 4. Finance and development ? Oversees the budget preparation and accounting. ? Recommends revenue plan, including membership dues ? Prepares timely and useful data and information for the Board ? Seeks grants for sustaining the organization ? Works in concert with the Board to implement a development program that meets the goals established for the organization Minimum salary $80,000. To apply, please send a resume and cover letter as Word or RTF documents as email attachments to: Maryanne.Vigneaux@stonybrook.edu. Address the letter to: E. Christian Filstrup Dean of Libraries, Stony Brook University Chair, NYSHEI Search Committee Melville Library Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-3300 Review of applications begins on November 1, 2006. The Research Foundation at SUNY at System Administration is an EEO/AA employer. From drweb at san.rr.com Tue Oct 24 17:00:00 2006 From: drweb at san.rr.com (drweb@san.rr.com) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:00:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education In-Reply-To: <453E64D1.7020603@kcoyle.net> References: <20061023210654.83803.qmail@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17726.18195.941571.599393@localhost.localdomain> <453E4BAE.7090403@wingate.edu> <17726.23773.284892.398144@localhost.localdomain> <453E64D1.7020603@kcoyle.net> Message-ID: This "pull-together" (scrape) content model is exactly why I started using Answers.com a bit. Some of the content is Wikipedia, which you can view or vet, etc. But, some is from other Web content sites. It beats the 1,000,000 hits on [insert major search engine name here] approach to find the "good enough" stuff. Best, DrWeb P. Michael McCulley mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Coyle Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Wikipedia in Chronicle of Higher Education To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Mike Taylor wrote: > > - It's a click away > > - It's free (as in free beer) > > - It's free (as in free speech) > > - Its coverage is much wider > > - It doesn't give the false impression of authority! > > > > > > > It also has an interesting quality that I appreciate when I compare > it > to something like a web search (avoiding the G word ;-)): There is > an > article where all of the data on a topic has been pulled together. > The > work has been done for you. I know that's what an encyclopedia is > supposed to be, but I also know that some people use search engines > (and > I used to, too) for queries like the ones I now take to wikipedia. > When > I want to know more about the 1866 Italian plebiscite, I don't want > to > have to rummage through a bunch of web sites or articles on one > aspect > of that topic, I want the topic organized into a single article > with a > general overview, some specifics, and a decent bibliography. > > kc > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant > kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net > ph.: 510-540-7596 > fx.: 510-848-3913 > mo.: 510-435-8234 > ------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From dgrediagin at bssd.org Tue Oct 24 20:06:57 2006 From: dgrediagin at bssd.org (Darla Grediagin) Date: Tue Oct 24 20:07:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wikis in libraries In-Reply-To: <98136745.20061023114841@riverofdata.com> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101A4AF7E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> <98136745.20061023114841@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <453EAAA1.3000303@bssd.org> Hi Dan, I disagree somewhat. I put up a wiki for my school librarian association last spring. I heard from some people that they didn't want all the work that they had worked hard on put up in a space that others could change. I let them talk among themselves while I pushed forward. I got others to contribute. The same person who loudly voiced complaints in March, posted a letter thanking me for dragging people kicking and screaming into the 21st century. If we are early adopters of technology, we have to remember that not everyone will join us, but some will along the way. When a subject becomes important to someone, they will learn to join in with the band. I am working on being careful in how I talk to those who don't participate. Too often my enthusiasm will scare someone away from joining the parade. I can't imagine not wanting to share the information that I have with others, but there are those out there that want to hang onto it until their last breath. I say let them hang onto their ideas and move forward on our own. They will catch up hopefully and if they don't, I am not out of the time I have spent on mine. I hope this makes sense. I have been running an inservice for library aides today in which there was a particular problem of some being much further along than others. Have a great day, Darla Darla Grediagin District Librarian Bering Strait School District Unalakleet, Alaska Web Address : http://bssdonline.org/course/view.php?id=51 Blog: http://aklibrarian1.edublogs.org/ Dan Lester wrote: >Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 6:11:18 AM, you wrote: > >DB> So are wikis (apart from Wikipedia) ever going to grow beyond the >DB> toddler stage? When can we finally start to discuss how to >DB> achieve efficient group communication? Or will we for ever be >DB> held hostage by newcomers who are stumbling on their own feet? > >It doesn't have anything to do with growing beyond toddler stage OR >tech snobbery. It is basic human behavior in all environments. How >many members of this list ever post? A small percentage. The same is >true for students raising their hand in class, people who contribute >to a face to face meeting, and any other group environment. > >Even if everyone who contributed to a meeting was given a beer, a >piece of chocolate, or something else, the majority still wouldn't do >so. > >dan > > > -- From vkwong at iusb.edu Tue Oct 24 21:14:00 2006 From: vkwong at iusb.edu (Kwong, Vincci) Date: Tue Oct 24 21:14:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Facebook account. Message-ID: <8E9BC903C13479428936950DB6438C4011E693@iu-mssg-mbx102.ads.iu.edu> Hi, Do anyone have updated news on Facebook disabling library accounts? Do any banned library get their account restored? Thanks and have a nice day! Vincci. -------------------------------------------------------- Vincci Kwong Assistant Librarian Head of Web Services Franklin D. Schurz Library Indiana University South Bend 574-520-4444 vkwong@iusb.edu From witherre at muohio.edu Tue Oct 24 22:44:30 2006 From: witherre at muohio.edu (witherre@muohio.edu) Date: Tue Oct 24 22:44:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Media" Lab: Miami University Updated Info Message-ID: <56030.134.53.7.120.1161744270.squirrel@134.53.7.120> John, Thanks for your posting about Miami University's Center for Information Management (CIM). The first link may not work in web mail; at any rate, the best URL for information about CIM may be: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/computing/cim.php Using the NMC model Andrew Darby mentioned, CIM is most consistent with a self-service model, with staff and student employees trained to help people exploring software for creating and editing image, audio, and video files-- as well as printing posters, sending faxes, and other new-ish ways of disseminating information. Since its inception, this facility has had to expand its hours and number of computers due to public demand, and its presence has helped to entice an endowed writing center in the library that houses it. Questions about this facility can best be directed to Lisa Santucci, Head of the Center for Information Management and Interim Head of Outreach, at santucle@lib.muohio.edu . Robert E. Withers Assistent to the Dean and University Librarian Miami University Libraries Oxford, OH 45056 On October 24, John Fink wrote: Marc, Here's a page about our media lab -- http://www.lib.muohio.edu/computing/cim-guidelines.php. It sounds right about in line with what you're trying to do. As for personnel, there are three staff people (one librarian, two classified staff) who are involved with lab operations and management, although two of them have significant duties outside of the lab. If you're interested in the student staff numbers, let me know and I'll try to find them out. I myself am not involved in the day-to-day operations of the lab, but from what I can see it's a very significant resource for our students -- particularly our large format poster printers which can get a phenomenal amount of patron activity. jf From kraemer at email.uky.edu Wed Oct 25 08:01:21 2006 From: kraemer at email.uky.edu (Kraemer, Beth) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:01:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Facebook account. In-Reply-To: <8E9BC903C13479428936950DB6438C4011E693@iu-mssg-mbx102.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <5CA2C15A1F22834B940ECDF78C2F0C6501E315CC@e2kb31.ad.uky.edu> Hi Vincci - The final word to the University of Kentucky was that we could not have our account restored and could not retrieve the content we had posted. We have been re-creating our Facebook presence as group profile. I think Facebook has been on a mission to close library accounts. When I searched all Facebook networks in September, there were 76 Facebook names that included "library". A month later, there were about 30. Today there are 3. -Beth -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kwong, Vincci Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:14 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Facebook account. Hi, Do anyone have updated news on Facebook disabling library accounts? Do any banned library get their account restored? Thanks and have a nice day! Vincci. -------------------------------------------------------- Vincci Kwong Assistant Librarian Head of Web Services Franklin D. Schurz Library Indiana University South Bend 574-520-4444 vkwong@iusb.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From sandeep.bhavsar at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 12:22:24 2006 From: sandeep.bhavsar at gmail.com (sandeep bhavsar) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:22:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ebooks in mobiles Message-ID: Dear all Recently I have started ebooks in mobiles service by which I am giving ebooks in .prc format to my students. Now I am in search of the open source software which will convert pdf into prc. Please give me the names of the softwares. Best Regards Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian Dr.V.N.Bedekar Institute of Management Studies Thane(W) MUMBAI INDIA @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Email : sandeep.bhavsar@gmail.com Phone : Off +91-02225364492 Mobile : +9109870484626 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From Devin.Crawley at biblioottawalibrary.ca Wed Oct 25 12:32:34 2006 From: Devin.Crawley at biblioottawalibrary.ca (Crawley, Devin) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:32:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Policies on including community info on public library website Message-ID: Have any of you developed any policies around what to include and/or exclude from a community bulletin board or listing of community events on a public library website? Are there criteria such as a minimum size or a requirement for non-profit status for organizations whose events you publicize on a community-oriented page? Any help is greatly appreciated. Devin Crawley Virtual Library Services Librarian Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 Phone: 613-580-2424 X41494 devin.crawley@BiblioOttawaLibrary.ca/ http://www.BiblioOttawaLibrary.ca/ Devin Crawley Virtual Library Services Librarian Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 Phone: 613-580-2424 X41494 devin.crawley@BiblioOttawaLibrary.ca/ http://www.BiblioOttawaLibrary.ca/ This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le pr?sent courriel a ?t? exp?di? par le syst?me de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire pr?vu est interdite. Si vous avez re?u le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par t?l?phone (au num?ro pr?cit?) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans d?lai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. From rcmason at rsproductions.net Wed Oct 25 12:38:56 2006 From: rcmason at rsproductions.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rick=20Mason?=) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:39:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ebooks in mobiles Message-ID: <20061025163856.26903.qmail@website12.com> One option is the MediaConvert website ( http://media-convert.com/convert/ ). They have converters that work between many different file types. However, they don't convert directly between pdf and prc. You might need to use a program like Audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ) to record the audio and save it into a format (wav, ogg, mp3, etc.) that will convert to prc on MediaConvert. Hope you find a good direct converter, but if not, I hope this helps! Rick Mason > -------Original Message------- > From: sandeep bhavsar > Subject: [Web4lib] ebooks in mobiles > Sent: 25 Oct '06 10:22 > > Dear all > > Recently I have started ebooks in mobiles service by which I am giving > ebooks in .prc format to my students. Now I am in search of the open > source software which will convert pdf into prc. > > Please give me the names of the softwares. > > Best Regards > > Sandeep Bhavsar > Librarian > Dr.V.N.Bedekar Institute of Management Studies > Thane(W) > MUMBAI > INDIA > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > Email : sandeep.bhavsar@gmail.com > Phone : Off +91-02225364492 > Mobile : +9109870484626 > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Oct 25 13:43:13 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed Oct 25 13:43:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Windows Vista defaults to no telnet client Message-ID: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93952/93952.html Not the issue it once was, but Windows Vista will default to not having a telnet client; you can enable it, but it's several layers deep in the Control Panel. Of course, since the Windows telnet app was chronically the worst telnet available, maybe that's a good thing. I'm just assuming that there's no ssh client either. -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dgrediagin at bssd.org Wed Oct 25 13:54:52 2006 From: dgrediagin at bssd.org (Darla Grediagin) Date: Wed Oct 25 13:55:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Koha Library Program In-Reply-To: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <453FA4EC.3090606@bssd.org> Good morning, Does anyone on this list use Koha? I am working on installation now and was interested in feedback. When I saw the post that mentioned telnet and SSH, it made me think that this may be the list to answer more of my questions than other lists that I am on. I love the move to Koha, I am using LibraryPro now and I think Excel might be a better library database than it is. I am glad I found other librarians that are working with computers as much as everyone here seems to be. Have a great day, Darla -- Darla Grediagin District Librarian Bering Strait School District Unalakleet, Alaska Web Address : http://bssdonline.org/course/view.php?id=51 Blog: http://aklibrarian1.edublogs.org/ From raywood at magma.ca Wed Oct 25 14:05:08 2006 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed Oct 25 14:03:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Windows Vista defaults to no telnet client In-Reply-To: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> Allegedly, on Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:43:13PM -0400, Thomas Dowling stated: > http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93952/93952.html > > Not the issue it once was, but Windows Vista will default to not > having a telnet client; you can enable it, but it's several layers > deep in the Control Panel. Of course, since the Windows telnet app > was chronically the worst telnet available, maybe that's a good thing. > > I'm just assuming that there's no ssh client either. > > Thomas Dowling I find that a combination telnet/ssh client such as 'putty' is indispensible when I am working on the Windows platform. As a matter of interest, are there any other freeware[1] ssh clients that people prefer over 'putty' (on Windows) ? [1] i.e. not share/ad/spy-ware :-) Raymond -- "Be Nice, or Leave - By Order of the Management" (Sign above door, Black Sheep Inn, Wakefield) GPG Fingerprint: 2E4D 8605 DD48 E80F F893 1C02 B65D 86D9 3B3C 0E03 Encrypted E-mail Preferred | http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ Bush-whacked 2004! Try to relax and enjoy the Chaos :-) --^ From john.fink at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 14:55:11 2006 From: john.fink at gmail.com (John Fink) Date: Wed Oct 25 14:55:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Windows Vista defaults to no telnet client In-Reply-To: <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <502896f40610251155p36ab6ce2id21c286c47d9823e@mail.gmail.com> I've only ever used putty, going so far as to put it on my USB stick in case I'm around a Windows machine when I'm out (portable version here: http://socialistsushi.com/portaputty). Portable putty doesn't mess with the registry files, so it's ideal if you're moving around. There was, if I recall correctly, an "official" Windows ssh put out by ssh.fi/ssh.com, but I think it's languished somewhat, and at any rate it was non-free anyway. jf On 10/25/06, Raymond Wood wrote: > > Allegedly, on Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:43:13PM -0400, Thomas Dowling > stated: > > http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93952/93952.html > > > > Not the issue it once was, but Windows Vista will default to not > > having a telnet client; you can enable it, but it's several layers > > deep in the Control Panel. Of course, since the Windows telnet app > > was chronically the worst telnet available, maybe that's a good thing. > > > > I'm just assuming that there's no ssh client either. > > > > Thomas Dowling > > I find that a combination telnet/ssh client such as 'putty' is > indispensible when I am working on the Windows platform. > > As a matter of interest, are there any other freeware[1] ssh clients > that people prefer over 'putty' (on Windows) ? > > [1] i.e. not share/ad/spy-ware :-) > > Raymond > -- > "Be Nice, or Leave - By Order of the Management" > (Sign above door, Black Sheep Inn, Wakefield) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E4D 8605 DD48 E80F F893 1C02 B65D 86D9 3B3C 0E03 > Encrypted E-mail Preferred | http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ > Bush-whacked 2004! Try to relax and enjoy the Chaos :-) --^ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jaf30 at cornell.edu Wed Oct 25 15:12:05 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:11:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Windows Vista defaults to no telnet client In-Reply-To: <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <453FB705.2040600@cornell.edu> Raymond Wood wrote: > Allegedly, on Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:43:13PM -0400, Thomas Dowling stated: > >> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93952/93952.html >> >> Not the issue it once was, but Windows Vista will default to not >> having a telnet client; you can enable it, but it's several layers >> deep in the Control Panel. Of course, since the Windows telnet app >> was chronically the worst telnet available, maybe that's a good thing. >> >> I'm just assuming that there's no ssh client either. >> >> Thomas Dowling >> > > I find that a combination telnet/ssh client such as 'putty' is > indispensible when I am working on the Windows platform. > > As a matter of interest, are there any other freeware[1] ssh clients > that people prefer over 'putty' (on Windows) ? > No. We have a multi-use license for the SSH Secure Shell client (www.ssh.com) but for some things I prefer to use Putty (primarily for CVS tunneling) From SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us Wed Oct 25 17:21:03 2006 From: SUSAN at rochester.lib.mn.us (SUSAN HANSEN) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:16:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: We have pretty locked down stations for our public access homepage/catalog pages and they don't have any kind of email client installed. Patrons are frustrated when they want to send an email to us from one of our stations. One option is to create a form for each of the 20+ email addresses (contact us) we provide on our site for the public to use in contacting a specific staff/department. Any suggestions how you would handle this? I'd rather have them go directly to an area rather than one person getting the emails and forwarding them appropriately. Thanks for your help!! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 From chris at katipo.co.nz Wed Oct 25 17:28:39 2006 From: chris at katipo.co.nz (Chris Cormack) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:28:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Koha Library Program In-Reply-To: <453FA4EC.3090606@bssd.org> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> <453FA4EC.3090606@bssd.org> Message-ID: <20061025212839.GG10330@katipo.co.nz> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:54:52AM -0800, Darla Grediagin said: > Good morning, > > Does anyone on this list use Koha? I am working on installation now and > was interested in feedback. When I saw the post that mentioned telnet > and SSH, it made me think that this may be the list to answer more of my > questions than other lists that I am on. I love the move to Koha, I am > using LibraryPro now and I think Excel might be a better library > database than it is. > Hi Darla Are you on the koha list ? http://www.koha.org/community/mailing-lists.html Also the #koha irc channel is a good place to talk to people using Koha as well. http://www.koha.org/community/irc.html Chris -- Chris Cormack Programmer 027 4500 789 Katipo Communications Ltd chris@katipo.co.nz www.katipo.co.nz From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Wed Oct 25 17:35:55 2006 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:36:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF6DA@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> We have a generic email address for the library. It used to be, when we had GroupWise, this just forwarded to a staff member (me!) that then dealt with them or forwarded accordingly. Now, with Outlook, it goes into a "Public Folder" where I and another staff member read them periodically and respond or forward as necessary. That way they don't have individual staff member's emails (if that's a concern), but get a response. The response, however, comes from an individual (we can't change this). Hope this helps. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org From Simone.Hindin at ccc.govt.nz Wed Oct 25 17:50:10 2006 From: Simone.Hindin at ccc.govt.nz (Hindin, Simone) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:50:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: <4E5744ACA0F432439EECAA3424C5251D086221DF@CCOEXCV01.ccity.biz> We have a generic email address for the library which goes to a shared inbox which is used by in house call-centre librarians (FingerTip Library). Most of our forms also go to them and then they sort out who is the appropriate person or team to send it on to. All phone calls also go to them and they also man our virtual reference service LiveOnline. It means that all enquiries receive a consistent level of service which we think is quite important. And it means that when people change jobs we don't have to change addresses on the web site as the addresses are role related. Our specialist reference teams also work from shared mailboxes as do most teams (like the web team) which means that if one person in a team is away the email doesn't get left until they get back as someone else in the team can take responsibility for it. Simone Hindin Digital Library Services Christchurch City Libraries 03 941 7850 libwebteam@ccc.govt.nz http://library.christchurch.org.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of SUSAN HANSEN Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:21 am To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers We have pretty locked down stations for our public access homepage/catalog pages and they don't have any kind of email client installed. Patrons are frustrated when they want to send an email to us from one of our stations. One option is to create a form for each of the 20+ email addresses (contact us) we provide on our site for the public to use in contacting a specific staff/department. Any suggestions how you would handle this? I'd rather have them go directly to an area rather than one person getting the emails and forwarding them appropriately. Thanks for your help!! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz ********************************************************************** From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Oct 25 19:41:20 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:41:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Custom Search for WLANs and Libraries Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5101B543AA@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I have been working on my Google custom search engine for WLANs and Libraries. It is available at http://wirelesslibraries.blogspot.com. I have integrated the LibWireless list into using the gmane port of the list. It also searches Webjunction, PublicIP.Net, WLAN Central, Wireless Libraries blog, and my old Wireless Librarian website. I am working on finding a way to include library hotspots from JiWire and other sources. If you have other websites or even individual web pages that should be added, please send me the URL. My goals for this search engine are: 1. Provide a searchable interface to selected resources. 2. Show how useful Google Custom Search can be. Also, please give me your input on how useful this search engine is to you. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog:http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com "They that can give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759 From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Wed Oct 25 19:54:14 2006 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:54:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers In-Reply-To: <9361FF6DA66FD34FB64CD5C6589BFD0C03BFF6DA@citp1mx03.city.wdm.loc> Message-ID: We have a generic email account, which a staff person (our community relations person) opens and answers from within that email account, so it comes back to the patron from that generic account, in Outlook. We also have a file of commonly asked questions that she uses to answer many of the questions. Stumpers she distributes to various managers to handle. -Margaret Margaret E. Hazel Principal Librarian, Technology Eugene Public Library Eugene, OR 541-682-6015 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Louise Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:36 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers We have a generic email address for the library. It used to be, when we had GroupWise, this just forwarded to a staff member (me!) that then dealt with them or forwarded accordingly. Now, with Outlook, it goes into a "Public Folder" where I and another staff member read them periodically and respond or forward as necessary. That way they don't have individual staff member's emails (if that's a concern), but get a response. The response, however, comes from an individual (we can't change this). Hope this helps. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Louise E. Alcorn Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdmlibrary.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From john.fink at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 20:47:10 2006 From: john.fink at gmail.com (John Fink) Date: Wed Oct 25 20:47:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Windows Vista defaults to no telnet client In-Reply-To: <453FB705.2040600@cornell.edu> References: <453FA231.4000402@ohiolink.edu> <20061025180508.GR10161@ncf.ca> <453FB705.2040600@cornell.edu> Message-ID: <502896f40610251747m1450d2a3g9d3cd3865ac8a8d5@mail.gmail.com> John, Would you mind telling me what advantage you see to buying the official ssh client? Perhaps it has some bells and whistles of which I'm unaware -- I've only really ever used putty and openssh. jf On 10/25/06, John Fereira wrote: > > Raymond Wood wrote: > > Allegedly, on Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:43:13PM -0400, Thomas Dowling > stated: > > > >> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93952/93952.html > >> > >> Not the issue it once was, but Windows Vista will default to not > >> having a telnet client; you can enable it, but it's several layers > >> deep in the Control Panel. Of course, since the Windows telnet app > >> was chronically the worst telnet available, maybe that's a good thing. > >> > >> I'm just assuming that there's no ssh client either. > >> > >> Thomas Dowling > >> > > > > I find that a combination telnet/ssh client such as 'putty' is > > indispensible when I am working on the Windows platform. > > > > As a matter of interest, are there any other freeware[1] ssh clients > > that people prefer over 'putty' (on Windows) ? > > > No. We have a multi-use license for the SSH Secure Shell client > (www.ssh.com) but for some things I prefer to use Putty (primarily for > CVS tunneling) > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Wed Oct 25 21:43:14 2006 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Wed Oct 25 21:46:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers References: Message-ID: You could have one email form. On the form, have one drop down where the users choose their email subject. Have a script that sends the email to the appropriate person, based on the subject the patron chose. Lisa Pons-Haitz Webmaster University Libraries University of Cincinnati ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of SUSAN HANSEN Sent: Wed 10/25/2006 5:21 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers We have pretty locked down stations for our public access homepage/catalog pages and they don't have any kind of email client installed. Patrons are frustrated when they want to send an email to us from one of our stations. One option is to create a form for each of the 20+ email addresses (contact us) we provide on our site for the public to use in contacting a specific staff/department. Any suggestions how you would handle this? I'd rather have them go directly to an area rather than one person getting the emails and forwarding them appropriately. Thanks for your help!! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Gandhi.Adity at ocls.info Thu Oct 26 14:01:53 2006 From: Gandhi.Adity at ocls.info (Gandhi, Adity) Date: Thu Oct 26 14:02:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Webinar invitation by OCLS Message-ID: <23BF35A30308FB46968CB3F393EEE261026B31A8@exch2k3.ocls.info> Hello All, Orange County Library System invite the library associates to attend the an interactive, knowledge and experience packed Webinar. There are 3 upcoming webinars especially catered for the library community. This is under the umbrella of our webinar series "Pushing It Forward: Taking Your Library to the Next Level!" Our technology series can give you the edge you need. The Orange County Library System is a recognized leader in information technology. Grab lunch (or breakfast!), login and join colleagues from around the country for presentations by OCLS staff, discussion and idea sharing online. Reserve Your Seat Today! Webinar1 : To Tag or Not to Tag: Insights on RFID October 31, 2006 1 p.m. EST Duration 1.5 hours Webinar2 : Get Them with Gaming: Teen Gamers and Libraries November 7, 2006 1 p.m. EST Duration 1.5 hours Webinar3 : Home Delivery: The Library Without Walls November 14, 2006 1 p.m. EST Duration 1.5 hours Registration deadline is 24 hours prior to the webinar. Visit our website for more information or logon to : http://www.ocls.info/LOE/next_level.asp?bhcp=1 Feel free to ask any questions. We hope to see you soon :). Thanks Adity Gandhi ::.. Digital Access Architect Orange County Library System Orlando, FL 32801 gandhi.adity@ocls.info From dirving at sailsinc.org Thu Oct 26 14:19:22 2006 From: dirving at sailsinc.org (Dale Irving) Date: Thu Oct 26 14:20:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re:How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: I've debated adding a similar feature to our public access PCs using outlook express (or some other basic client) and an extra staff email account set up to either block or discard incoming mail (and using the same acct on all public PCs). I think your idea about forms is more elegant, but I had anticipated using this on PCs other than PACs so that patrons could use email links on sites without having to cut and paste the address into an internet email client. The downside to this would be the probability of crank emails being sent from a library address (although it could be named donotrespond@... or something, I suppose) Dale Irving Information Systems Librarian Middleborough Public Library Middleboro, MA dirving@sailsinc.org From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Oct 26 14:30:35 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Thu Oct 26 14:30:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re:How to handle emails to staff from public computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061026183049.6CF231D356@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> > I've debated adding a similar feature to our public access PCs using > outlook express (or some other basic client) and an extra staff email > account set up to either block or discard incoming mail (and using the > same acct on all public PCs). I think your idea about forms is more > elegant, but I had anticipated using this on PCs other than PACs so that > patrons could use email links on sites without having to cut and paste the > address into an internet email client. The downside to this would be the > probability of crank emails being sent from a library address (although it > could be named donotrespond@... or something, I suppose) I keep meaning to say, so I better say it, that if you're implementing forms, think ahead to spam prevention, because form spam is a massive headache to deal with. You need a spam-prevention tool that not only blocks or prevents the spam but is accessible for visually-challenged users. One Who Knows, Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From dverhoff at fsc.edu Thu Oct 26 15:33:51 2006 From: dverhoff at fsc.edu (Debbie Verhoff) Date: Thu Oct 26 15:33:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] NERCOMP 2007 -- submit proposals for the Library and Research track Message-ID: NERCOMP, the Northeast Regional Computing Program, is an affiliate of EDUCAUSE. This year's conference theme is "Connections, Collaborations and Community." Preconference seminars will be held Monday, March 19, with the full conference program March 20-21, 2007 in Worcester, MA. I am writing to encourage colleagues to submit proposals for the Library and Research Initiatives track. Track description: The rapid advance and adoption of technology coupled with the changing needs of students has drastically altered all aspects of the academic community. Increasingly, the areas of library, research, and technology are converging and innovative projects often involve collaboration between faculty members, librarians, IT professionals, and administrators. Topics in this track will focus on library or research initiatives in which technology is an integral part. Key topics include: * Collaborations in IT/ library services * Outreach, instruction, and information literacy programs * Digital collections and today's patron * Digital rights management, copyright, and intellectual property * Next-generation OPACs * Networked information technology for scholarship * Institutional research * The influence of technology on the library as place * Creative library service solutions * Institutional support models for research computing * Social networking tools in libraries * Searching, linking, and new connections to library resources * New scholarly publishing solutions More information & online submission at: http://www.educause.edu/Program/11480 --- Debbie Verhoff Reference Librarian Amelia V. Gallucci-Cirio Library Fitchburg State College 160 Pearl St. Fitchburg MA 01420-2697 From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 17:28:58 2006 From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan) Date: Thu Oct 26 17:29:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Ask Ms. Dewey (odd "virtual reference" site) Message-ID: <20061026212858.60555.qmail@web57101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From Library Thing's "Thing-ology" blog: http://tinyurl.com/yaxz8r Bernie Sloan --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com From mgooch at wooster.edu Thu Oct 26 19:54:47 2006 From: mgooch at wooster.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Thu Oct 26 19:55:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re:How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: <45411288020000AC00004738@mailgate.wooster.edu> Do you have any recommendations/suggestions of tools that match these criteria? I've been trying to figure out such a solution. Thanks Mark Mark D. Gooch Technology & Government Information Librarian The College of Wooster Libraries 1140 Beall Avenue Wooster, Ohio 44691 Phone: 330/263-2522 FAX: 330/263-2253 mgooch@wooster.edu >>> "K.G. Schneider" 10/26/06 2:30 PM >>> > I've debated adding a similar feature to our public access PCs using > outlook express (or some other basic client) and an extra staff email > account set up to either block or discard incoming mail (and using the > same acct on all public PCs). I think your idea about forms is more > elegant, but I had anticipated using this on PCs other than PACs so that > patrons could use email links on sites without having to cut and paste the > address into an internet email client. The downside to this would be the > probability of crank emails being sent from a library address (although it > could be named donotrespond@... or something, I suppose) I keep meaning to say, so I better say it, that if you're implementing forms, think ahead to spam prevention, because form spam is a massive headache to deal with. You need a spam-prevention tool that not only blocks or prevents the spam but is accessible for visually-challenged users. One Who Knows, Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tomkeays at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 20:40:48 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Thu Oct 26 20:40:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610261740q37e9c9eo1dbcc32cce102339@mail.gmail.com> We have a Find a Librarian link off the library's homepage that is tied to a cgi created directory of subject librarians. Click the contact button next to each librarian's name and it dynamically generates a contact form for that person. http://library.syr.edu/cgi-bin/Xselectors.cgi My only complaint is that the contact form is generated using javascript (therefore client-side by the browser) rather than using a server-side scripting language such as php. That probably means there are accessibility issues that we'll have to address at some point. Oh well, you use what you have available and it does work quite well. We also continue to use an email form that goes to our general reference account that is done in straight html. Tom From imma.subirats at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 04:23:37 2006 From: imma.subirats at gmail.com (Imma Subirats) Date: Fri Oct 27 04:23:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-LIS Introduces Usage Statistics for Authors Message-ID: <38345bbe0610270123t534057c7v4cb8d361e2d04daa@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, * Apologies for cross-posting * We are glad to announce that has been implemented a new Statistics module in E-LIS, E-prints in Library and Information Science. The purpose of the statistics is to promote E-LIS repository and authors self-archiving as well, by demonstrating the accessibility and usage of deposited documents by access and downloads . Usage statistics (abstracts, downloads) are now available by the following elements: ? Most viewed eprints in the last four weeks ? Most viewed eprints in this year ? Most viewed eprints in the last year ? Most viewed eprints in all years ? Repository-wide statistics by year/month ? Repository-wide statistics by country You can see the implementation of the Statistics at http://eprints.rclis.org/. The use of statistics is basic for the development of Open Acess Model and for the achievement of our first objective: to promote self-archiving among researchers. Some examples of statistics results are the following: ? Prosser, David C. ( 2003) Scholarly communication in the 21st century : the impact of new technologies and models. *Serials : the journal for the serials community *16(2):pp. 163-167. ? Suber, Peter (2006) *Open Access in the United States*, in Jacobs, Neil, Eds. *Open Access : Key strategic, technical and economic aspects*. Chandos Publishing . ? Estivill Rius, Assumpci? and Abadal Falgueras, Ernest and Franganillo, Jorge and Gasc?n Garc?a, Jes?s and Rodr?guez i Gair?n, Josep Manuel (2005) Uso de metadatos Dublin Core en la descripci?n y recuperaci?n de art?culos de revista digitales = Use of Dublin Core metadata for describing and retrieving digital journals . In *Proceedings DC-2005 International Conference on Dublin Core and Metadata Applications*, Madrid (Spain). ? Parmar, Arvind Singh and Kumar, Sanghmitra A. and Prakash, Thushara (2004) Bibliometric analysis of information seeking behaviour related literature We encourage other repositories to implement statistics for each archived document. E-LIS uses EPrints Software module, but also DSpace has developed an Add-On for Statistics. Some comments to the use of the statistics in E-LIS are the following: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "All authors crave impact - we hope that what we write will affect readers and will make a difference. However, often it is difficult to tell if our work has even been read. Now we have a clue. The newly implemented download statistics in E-LIS tell me fascinating stories about the usage of my work - papers that I thought 'old news' are still being downloaded, the geographical distribution of readers is greater than I would have guessed. This is a wonderful tool for both authors and readers and shows, once again, the power of self-archiving. Now all I need to know is what the readers thought of my work!" David Prosser SPARC Europe "Having statistics for each article posted in E-LIS can be a valuable tool for the study of the development of the intellectual production in librarianship and information science. This and the use of bibliometric techniques would help us assess library development around the world?" Julio Santillan Aldana Responsible of the open access journal Biblios E-LIS Editor for Peru "The Eprint Statistics feature is an impressive new addition to E-LIS. It presents clear and immediate data on use of documents in the repository, something every author wants to see. I've found myself checking the statistics on my documents regularly and have also discovered that it's a very effective recruitment feature for E-LIS; colleagues who have never deposited in E-LIS have done so very soon after seeing the Eprints Statistics function in action". Andrew Waller Author and E-LIS Editor for Canada ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? For any information about the implementation do not hesitate to contact us. Best Regards, E-LIS Team From bordeaux at binghamton.edu Fri Oct 27 09:20:48 2006 From: bordeaux at binghamton.edu (Bordeaux, Abigail) Date: Fri Oct 27 09:20:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers Message-ID: <5EA83EBFA109A24690B95D73CAD14AEF14D0E8A5@BUX2K.bgm.bu.int> Most of our e-mail links work with a php-driven form. See, for example, the contact link at the bottom of http://library.lib.binghamton.edu/webdocs/techproblems.html. One form works with all our e-mail addresses, and the URL of the page is included in the e-mail subject so the recipient can tell where the sender was on our website. We have a couple other contact forms, such as the comments link off our home page. The forms have worked quite well for us. We have not had any problems with form spam. I notice now that I should add some labels to make them more accessible. Abigail Abigail Bordeaux Coordinator of Digital Library Initiatives Binghamton University Libraries PO Box 6012 | Vestal Parkway E. Binghamton, NY 13902-6012 607.777.3217 | bordeaux@binghamton.edu Yahoo!/AIM/Messenger: acbtanya From sandeep.bhavsar at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 09:43:15 2006 From: sandeep.bhavsar at gmail.com (sandeep bhavsar) Date: Fri Oct 27 09:43:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ebooks in mobiles Message-ID: Dear All The highly fluid technological leaps and bounds require us to provide services which are user friendly and accesible. So to say "any time and all time" information availability. We all know the impact of Internet technology in the field of library science - it helpes us to reach the personal inbox spaces of individuals and corporates. Mobile technology enables us to reach the information right into the pocket. Targeted primarily at end users - Students, Faculty, corporate members and staff. Installation of e-books on various models mobile phones and other handheld devices (including laptop, desktops). > The Library at Dr. VN BRIMS would be happy to help other libraries to launch this service. > > The members would be happy to note that our students have already started using this service. This helps them to read e-books on their mobile phones when they are travelling thus utilising their time productively. For More Information Please feel free to contact me at sandeep.bhavsar@gmail.com Regards Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian Dr.V.N.Bedekar Institute of Management Studies Thane(W) 400601 INDIA @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ email : sandeep.bhavsar@gmail.com Mob : +9109870484626 Off : +91-022-25364492 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From gilbertj at cliu.org Fri Oct 27 10:36:47 2006 From: gilbertj at cliu.org (James M. Gilbert) Date: Fri Oct 27 10:31:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <023501c6f9d5$54edd1e0$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> If creating a form, I'd create one form -- with a DEPARTMENT drop down box. Select the departments that should receive mail. James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of SUSAN HANSEN Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:21 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] How to handle emails to staff from public computers We have pretty locked down stations for our public access homepage/catalog pages and they don't have any kind of email client installed. Patrons are frustrated when they want to send an email to us from one of our stations. One option is to create a form for each of the 20+ email addresses (contact us) we provide on our site for the public to use in contacting a specific staff/department. Any suggestions how you would handle this? I'd rather have them go directly to an area rather than one person getting the emails and forwarding them appropriately. Thanks for your help!! Susan Hansen, MA, CIRS, Librarian Rochester Public Library 101 2nd Street SE Rochester MN 55904-3776 susan@rochester.lib.mn.us www.rochesterpubliclibrary.org Aim & Yahoo screenname: RPLmnInfo MSN: reference@rochester.lib.mn.us office phone: 507.285.8002 fax: 507.287.1910 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ijastram at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 12:15:26 2006 From: ijastram at gmail.com (Iris Jastram) Date: Fri Oct 27 12:15:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Another CMS question In-Reply-To: <200610170829.17123.bennetttm@appstate.edu> References: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F08F37912@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> <200610170829.17123.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Message-ID: <73c02c6e0610270915y66dffcfdq5e8d94684576b399@mail.gmail.com> I'm a little late in responding to this message, but I wanted to let you know that the beta version of an open-source, PHP/MySQL-based CMS just went live the day before yesterday. You can find it and it's documentation here (http://apps.carleton.edu/opensource/reason/). The web services group at my college developed this software, and our whole college uses it. You can see our library's web site here ( http://apps.carleton.edu/campus/library/) and the main page for the college here (http://www.carleton.edu/). Best, Iris On 10/17/06, Thomas Bennett wrote: > > To use Plone you would have to convert the ASP pages to Zope Page Template > syntax for use with database access, although you could probably still use > your Access Database with a Zope ODBC database adapter which I understand > is > cheap and worth the money if you go that route with mxodbc by egenix. The > structure of a Plone site (look and feel) is completely controled by CSS > and > there is easy access to those CSS pages to allow you to customize them for > your own look and feel. > > On the other hand, I did a quick google on 'ASP pages to Plone' and found > ASPBite a content management system for IIS. > > http://www.aspbite.com/aspbite/categories/index.asp > > From their site: > "ASPBite is a FREE comprehensive, modular ASP application which deals with > memberships, categories (content management), news, articles, uploads, > downloads etc. Its easy to use and highly rated. With basic IT knowhow you > can have a very capable website in minutes!" > June 2004 Coverdisc, > supporting a 5 page featured masterclass on ASPBite v7. > > You may want to look at that for IIS CMS, I don't know anything about just > saw > it from google. > > > From the results of that same search I also found from the SourceForge > Email > Archive: plone-users: > "Running asp side by side is possible, using a transparent redirect such > as > Apache, pound (I think), or Enfold"s proxy product > (http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/EEP/Features). You could also > redirect > with simple links from one server to the other, using similar URLs (www1 > and > www2 for example). > > I am using Enfold"s version of plone (Enfold Enterprise Server), which has > been packaged nicely and integrated with Windows, primarily to ensure > support > exists for our Intranet in case I am hit by a bus (I am in a nearly all > windows shop), but also because they have done some integration work that > I > value. It may be of value to you as well." > > This may be useful if you don't need all ASP pages controlled by a CMS. > > > Thomas > > On Monday 16 October 2006 22:38, Knight-Davis, Stacey L. wrote: > > I followed the CMS thread with great interest and read more about the > > products that were recommended. However, I'm still not sure which > > option is best for my situation. > > > > I'm getting ready to spend a lot of time converting about 200 pages in > > our library's website from a table and image map layout to CSS. When I > > am done, 8 other librarians and staff will be able to edit these pages > > and I don't want the pages inadvertently covered in tags or > > trashed by Word when someone else updates a page. Everyone editing > > knows basic HTML, but there are only 2 people with CSS experience. I > > don't want to control the content so much as make sure no one is messing > > up the code. This is the only site I manage, and another librarian is > > the admin for the library web server. > > > > Because of the number of pages involved, and the number of people > > editing the site, I am thinking about a CMS. However, I after reading > > through the documentation for several products, I don't know it there is > > anything free/cheap that will work. We are running IIS on Windows 2000 > > Server and have a large number of ASP pages. All of our electronic > > resources listings, resource guides, and web resources pages run off of > > Access databases on ASP pages. The home page is also ASP. We have a > > few FileMaker Pro databases running various local indexes and services. > > Everyone is very happy with the ASP pages and we don't want to change > > them, and no one wants to switch the FileMaker stuff to another system > > either. > > > > So, I think I'm asking: > > > > 1. Is there a cheap CMS that will let us keep Access and ASP and run on > > Windows 2000? It looked like Plone would run on Windows, but I couldn't > > determine what would have to be done with the ASP pages. > > > > 2. If there is no cheap CMS solution, what are the recommendations for > > web editors that are easy to learn and will make working with a style > > sheet easy? We have several copies of Dreamweaver available, but I > > haven't had much luck getting people to use it. TinyMCE was > > interesting, but I don't really need a web-based application if all I'm > > getting is an editor. > > > > Any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Stacey Knight-Davis > > Booth Library > > Eastern Illinois University > > http://www.library.eiu.edu > > slknight@eiu.edu > > > > 600 Lincoln Ave. > > Charleston, IL 61920-3099 > > 217-581-7549 > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- > ==================================================================== > Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University > Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 > University Library Boone, North Carolina > 28608 > (828) 262 6587 > > An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you > write > something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the > problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't > actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond > > Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help > ==================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Iris Jastram The Pegasus Librarian http://pegasuslibrarian.blogspot.com http://go.carleton.edu/ijastram From llittle at pfeiffer.edu Fri Oct 27 13:00:37 2006 From: llittle at pfeiffer.edu (Lara Little) Date: Fri Oct 27 13:00:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061027124540.012a4690@pfeiffer.edu> Hi all, Currently our library maintains our website on our own server in our building. All of the design, maintenance, etc. is done by library staff. The university is currently re-designing their website (they have contracted it out and it is being done with a content management system). I have flat-out refused to give up control of our site, and the library staff is in full agreement! So far it seems that the powers that be have no problem with us maintaining our own site on our own server, but they want us to "match". So far I have suggested the compromise of adding some aspects of the overall design and colors to our design (although I hate the colors), but based on a conversation today I have a feeling I may to have to fight to keep it at that. I am also afraid that they will try to impose their CMS on our server or otherwise try to take us over. I should mention that our library website includes our digitized archives, which are being added to every day! My questions for other folks who have dealt with this is basically: What arguments have you used to keep control of your site's design and content? Thanks for any suggestions! Lara -- Lara B. Little Reference/Periodicals Librarian & Library Coordinator G.A. Pfeiffer Library/Pfeiffer University Misenheimer, NC 28109 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 From rbvidrine at waketech.edu Fri Oct 27 14:06:22 2006 From: rbvidrine at waketech.edu (Rachel Vidrine) Date: Fri Oct 27 14:17:27 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Distance Ed and Disability Support Pages Message-ID: <4542125D.A590.009A.0@waketech.edu> Hi! I'm wondering for those of you in academic libraries, how many of you have separate pages for Disability Support and Distance Education Support as part of your library site? If so, do you include links to these in the primary navigation menu(s) on your home page? Below are the links to these pages on our library site: http://library.waketech.edu/disted.html http://library.waketech.edu/disability.html I think that the information on these pages, though important, is better combined with other pages (like a description of the library and its collections). In the case of the distance education page, the information is primarily a redundancy of information provided elsewhere on the site. Currently, we have links to these pages in our primary navigation on our home page under the heading of Services: http://library.waketech.edu/ I am rethinking the navigation and would like to know what other colleges are doing. Thanks, Rachel Vidrine, MLIS Web Services Librarian Bruce I. Howell Library Wake Technical Community College 9101 Fayetteville Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603-5696 (919) 662-3309 From dwalker at calstate.edu Fri Oct 27 15:00:42 2006 From: dwalker at calstate.edu (Walker, David) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:01:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Message-ID: >> What arguments have you used to keep >> control of your site's design and >> content? Having fought this battle a number of times over the past five years, the one thing I noticed was that most of the people in marketing and IT who advanced the argument that the library needed to conform to a particular template or CMS (erroneously) assumed that the library's website only consisted of informational pages about the library; really little different from any other department or college website on campus. In fact, some even made that exact comparison. So my goal was to show them that the library was actually an academic *application*, consisting of not only the top-level pages that they had ever bothered to look at, but also the catalog, the interlibrary loan system, electronic reserves, and a half-dozen other servers and systems. The library's website was actually quite large and complex, and used by people for actual work, rather than just a glorified online brochure. Nobody in marketing or IT wanted to force applications like the student grade system or the learning management system into a campus template, so it made no sense to force the library system into that extraneous navigation and design, either. That actually held the day. Our backup plan: Librarians in the CSU are faculty, and we would have thrown down a "you can't tell faculty how to design their pages" argument. That would have *definitely* won the day! ;-) --Dave ------------------- David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Lara Little Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 10:00 AM To: newdirmentor-l@ala.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Hi all, Currently our library maintains our website on our own server in our building. All of the design, maintenance, etc. is done by library staff. The university is currently re-designing their website (they have contracted it out and it is being done with a content management system). I have flat-out refused to give up control of our site, and the library staff is in full agreement! So far it seems that the powers that be have no problem with us maintaining our own site on our own server, but they want us to "match". So far I have suggested the compromise of adding some aspects of the overall design and colors to our design (although I hate the colors), but based on a conversation today I have a feeling I may to have to fight to keep it at that. I am also afraid that they will try to impose their CMS on our server or otherwise try to take us over. I should mention that our library website includes our digitized archives, which are being added to every day! My questions for other folks who have dealt with this is basically: What arguments have you used to keep control of your site's design and content? Thanks for any suggestions! Lara -- Lara B. Little Reference/Periodicals Librarian & Library Coordinator G.A. Pfeiffer Library/Pfeiffer University Misenheimer, NC 28109 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From pitcher at geneseo.edu Fri Oct 27 15:13:46 2006 From: pitcher at geneseo.edu (Kate Pitcher) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:14:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house References: Message-ID: <000b01c6f9fc$07388fe0$2714ee89@w2k.geneseo.edu> I would second Dave's comments. Our CIT implemented a homegrown CMS and wanted all college offices and academic departments to use this system -- regardless of content or applications that we might use. They never actually demanded that we use the CMS, just thought it would be "easier" without actually asking anyone if it would meet our needs. We decided to test it out and found it certainly could not meet our needs due to the very things Dave is talking about in his email below. The library is unique on our campus because of these very functions -- ILL, electronic reserves, catalog -- why should we be pigeonholded into a system that is really designed for informational pages? By the way, our library web pages are housed on a campus server, but we maintain our own servers for our ILLiad system and electronic reserves. We redesigned our site this summer and are very happy we didn't go with the campus CMS! Kate ******************************************************************* Katherine E. Pitcher Reference/Instruction & Web Development Librarian Milne Library SUNY at Geneseo (585) 245-5064 pitcher@geneseo.edu http://www.geneseo.edu/~pitcher ******************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walker, David" To: "Lara Little" ; ; Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house >> What arguments have you used to keep >> control of your site's design and >> content? Having fought this battle a number of times over the past five years, the one thing I noticed was that most of the people in marketing and IT who advanced the argument that the library needed to conform to a particular template or CMS (erroneously) assumed that the library's website only consisted of informational pages about the library; really little different from any other department or college website on campus. In fact, some even made that exact comparison. So my goal was to show them that the library was actually an academic *application*, consisting of not only the top-level pages that they had ever bothered to look at, but also the catalog, the interlibrary loan system, electronic reserves, and a half-dozen other servers and systems. The library's website was actually quite large and complex, and used by people for actual work, rather than just a glorified online brochure. Nobody in marketing or IT wanted to force applications like the student grade system or the learning management system into a campus template, so it made no sense to force the library system into that extraneous navigation and design, either. That actually held the day. Our backup plan: Librarians in the CSU are faculty, and we would have thrown down a "you can't tell faculty how to design their pages" argument. That would have *definitely* won the day! ;-) --Dave ------------------- David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Lara Little Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 10:00 AM To: newdirmentor-l@ala.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Hi all, Currently our library maintains our website on our own server in our building. All of the design, maintenance, etc. is done by library staff. The university is currently re-designing their website (they have contracted it out and it is being done with a content management system). I have flat-out refused to give up control of our site, and the library staff is in full agreement! So far it seems that the powers that be have no problem with us maintaining our own site on our own server, but they want us to "match". So far I have suggested the compromise of adding some aspects of the overall design and colors to our design (although I hate the colors), but based on a conversation today I have a feeling I may to have to fight to keep it at that. I am also afraid that they will try to impose their CMS on our server or otherwise try to take us over. I should mention that our library website includes our digitized archives, which are being added to every day! My questions for other folks who have dealt with this is basically: What arguments have you used to keep control of your site's design and content? Thanks for any suggestions! Lara -- Lara B. Little Reference/Periodicals Librarian & Library Coordinator G.A. Pfeiffer Library/Pfeiffer University Misenheimer, NC 28109 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kkraus at umbc.edu Fri Oct 27 15:25:15 2006 From: kkraus at umbc.edu (Kimberly Kraus) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:25:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Employment Opportunity Message-ID: <2863.130.85.193.74.1161977115.squirrel@webmail.umbc.edu> For your review: Head of Library Information Technology & Systems UMBC, an honors university in Baltimore, Maryland, seeks an innovative librarian or information systems professional with understanding of academic libraries to lead initiatives in information technology and to oversee the Library?s computing systems and operations. RESPONSIBILITIES: Lead the Library in envisioning its Information Technology future and in planning for that future. Coordinate and advise various Library Departments? on their IT projects; initiate and manage some of these projects; arrange and/or provide appropriate training for Library IT projects. Oversee the management of the Library Computing Services Department (http://aok.lib.umbc.edu/lcs/) which is responsible for implementation and maintenance of Library computer workstations, networking and computer security as well as web programming support for the Library?s online services and projects. Work closely with the campus Office of Information Technology (http://www.umbc.edu/oit/), Communications Services (http://www.umbc.edu/commserv/), the academic departments and other campus organizations to coordinate Library projects and services with campus-wide systems and goals. Represent the UMBC Library?s information technology interests within the University System of Maryland, especially through the University System of Maryland and Affiliated Institutions (USMAI: http://usmai.umd.edu/) consortium of Libraries. Maintain aptitude with current technologies necessary for providing Library resources, services and digital projects in an online environment; research and maintain awareness of emerging technologies and advocate changes when appropriate. Report to the Director of the Library. REQUIREMENTS: ALA accredited MLS degree and demonstrated Information Technology experience required. Minimum 5 years of relevant, progressively responsible experience, including management experience. Demonstrated leadership and administrative ability. Solid record of devising, leading and completing major information technology initiatives. 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UMBC serves more than 9,400 undergraduates and 2,200 graduate students through a full range of undergraduate programs in the physical and biological sciences, social and behavioral sciences, engineering, mathematics, information technology, humanities and visual and performing arts, as well as 27 master's degree programs, 21 doctoral degree programs and seven graduate certificate programs. Located just outside Baltimore and 45 minutes from Washington, DC, the campus is growing rapidly under dynamic leadership. The University?s ongoing commitment to strengthen the Library has led to investment in extensive technological development and online resources (http://www.umbc.edu/library), complementing a superb facility enlarged and renovated in 1995, and holding more than 975,000 volumes. For more information on UMBC see http://www.umbc.edu. SALARY AND BENEFITS: Position is a 12-month library faculty appointment at anticipated rank of Librarian II or III. 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Kuhn Library & Gallery University of Maryland Baltimore County 1000 Hilltop Circle, Baltimore, MD 21250 kkraus@umbc.edu | 410.455.2356 From millikel at neumann.edu Fri Oct 27 16:14:07 2006 From: millikel at neumann.edu (Lawrence Milliken) Date: Fri Oct 27 16:14:40 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Message-ID: I'm in a similar situation myself. On our campus all webpages are managed by one person in the PR department. The pages are static html and while I can ask her to make changes to the content, I don't have access to the server and the changes can take awhile to go live. When I was hired, I was told the we had the VPAA's support to redesign the library's website and so I did. I put a year (part-time) into my Plone site with 40+ dynamically generated subject guides (the current site has just 4 pages that only list databases), RSS, and room to add many portal functions. I even negotiated with PR on 'look-and-feel issues. Then the VPAA was fired. Then the college hired an Executive Director of Information Technology who decided that only his staff could run servers, even though we have our ILS on a Sun box and his IT shop only knows Windows. My library website was up for a total of one day. We've kept the ILS for now but the issue keeps coming up. Meanwhile the IT director has informed us that the college's website may move to a CMS in 3-4 years. So I have to persuade our newly hired VPAA to persuade the president to have the IT director restore my server's DNS entry. Some faculty have used my site on-campus and that helps my case. And I recently did a poster session on my site at a conference, and that helps but it will be an uphill battle. I'm even thinking of offering to set up an online respository for faculty publications (showcasing faculty pubs is a recent interest of the pres.), running it off my Plone site, of course. Maybe we'll even end up hosting it off-campus. We'll see. Good luck with your site Lara! Larry Milliken Reference Librarian Neumann College Library >>> "Kate Pitcher" 10/27/06 3:13 PM >>> I would second Dave's comments. Our CIT implemented a homegrown CMS and wanted all college offices and academic departments to use this system -- regardless of content or applications that we might use. They never actually demanded that we use the CMS, just thought it would be "easier" without actually asking anyone if it would meet our needs. We decided to test it out and found it certainly could not meet our needs due to the very things Dave is talking about in his email below. The library is unique on our campus because of these very functions -- ILL, electronic reserves, catalog -- why should we be pigeonholded into a system that is really designed for informational pages? By the way, our library web pages are housed on a campus server, but we maintain our own servers for our ILLiad system and electronic reserves. We redesigned our site this summer and are very happy we didn't go with the campus CMS! Kate ******************************************************************* Katherine E. Pitcher Reference/Instruction & Web Development Librarian Milne Library SUNY at Geneseo (585) 245-5064 pitcher@geneseo.edu http://www.geneseo.edu/~pitcher ******************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walker, David" To: "Lara Little" ; ; Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house >> What arguments have you used to keep >> control of your site's design and >> content? Having fought this battle a number of times over the past five years, the one thing I noticed was that most of the people in marketing and IT who advanced the argument that the library needed to conform to a particular template or CMS (erroneously) assumed that the library's website only consisted of informational pages about the library; really little different from any other department or college website on campus. In fact, some even made that exact comparison. So my goal was to show them that the library was actually an academic *application*, consisting of not only the top-level pages that they had ever bothered to look at, but also the catalog, the interlibrary loan system, electronic reserves, and a half-dozen other servers and systems. The library's website was actually quite large and complex, and used by people for actual work, rather than just a glorified online brochure. Nobody in marketing or IT wanted to force applications like the student grade system or the learning management system into a campus template, so it made no sense to force the library system into that extraneous navigation and design, either. That actually held the day. Our backup plan: Librarians in the CSU are faculty, and we would have thrown down a "you can't tell faculty how to design their pages" argument. That would have *definitely* won the day! ;-) --Dave ------------------- David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Lara Little Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 10:00 AM To: newdirmentor-l@ala.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Hi all, Currently our library maintains our website on our own server in our building. All of the design, maintenance, etc. is done by library staff. The university is currently re-designing their website (they have contracted it out and it is being done with a content management system). I have flat-out refused to give up control of our site, and the library staff is in full agreement! So far it seems that the powers that be have no problem with us maintaining our own site on our own server, but they want us to "match". So far I have suggested the compromise of adding some aspects of the overall design and colors to our design (although I hate the colors), but based on a conversation today I have a feeling I may to have to fight to keep it at that. I am also afraid that they will try to impose their CMS on our server or otherwise try to take us over. I should mention that our library website includes our digitized archives, which are being added to every day! My questions for other folks who have dealt with this is basically: What arguments have you used to keep control of your site's design and content? Thanks for any suggestions! Lara -- Lara B. Little Reference/Periodicals Librarian & Library Coordinator G.A. Pfeiffer Library/Pfeiffer University Misenheimer, NC 28109 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -------------- next part -------------- BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Lawrence Milliken TEL;WORK:610-558-5541 ORG:Neumann College;Library EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:MILLIKEL@neumann.edu N:Milliken;Lawrence TITLE:Reference Librarian ADR;DOM;WORK;PARCEL;POSTAL:;;One Neumann Dr.;Aston;PA;19014 LABEL;DOM;WORK;PARCEL;POSTAL;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Lawrence Milliken=0A= One Neumann Dr.=0A= Aston, PA 19014 END:VCARD From michele.haytko at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 16:30:32 2006 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Fri Oct 27 16:30:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Automatic shutdown of computers Message-ID: <15e475fa0610271330p717877ebkadd72a595a08919f@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any method of shutting down or logging off patron computers automatically? We've had some "I-dont-want-to-leave" instances and are investigating alternatives. Free is best, but... It could be something we have to do to each PC or something that we just pull a switch and handle, but basically, at a given time, the machine shuts off. Thanks, Michele From Casey.Durfee at spl.org Fri Oct 27 16:49:21 2006 From: Casey.Durfee at spl.org (Casey Durfee) Date: Fri Oct 27 16:49:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Automatic shutdown of computers In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0610271330p717877ebkadd72a595a08919f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e475fa0610271330p717877ebkadd72a595a08919f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45420E61.8089.005D.0@spl.org> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/317371 >>> "Michele Haytko" 10/27/2006 1:30 PM >>> Does anyone have any method of shutting down or logging off patron computers automatically? We've had some "I-dont-want-to-leave" instances and are investigating alternatives. Free is best, but... It could be something we have to do to each PC or something that we just pull a switch and handle, but basically, at a given time, the machine shuts off. Thanks, Michele _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From redfernshaw at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 16:26:53 2006 From: redfernshaw at gmail.com (Jocelyn Shaw) Date: Sat Oct 28 16:26:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Automatic shutdown of computers Message-ID: Hi, We use SAM to time patrons and it has a shut off function. We had a lot of "I-don't-want-to-leave"s too, and now there are no arguments, the machines just log themselves off at a pre-determined time. On busy nights, one of my favorite things to do is watch them all log off. 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From overstock at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 06:03:16 2006 From: overstock at gmail.com (overstock@gmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 29 07:02:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ProsperLearning Message-ID: <200610291103.k9TB3GjQ021358@localhost.localdomain> About Prosper Learning, Inc. Our mission at Prosper Learning Inc is to provide our students with the education and hands-on experiences they need to achieve their personal goals. http://www.prosperlearning.com All our efforts, products, and services are designed to accomplish the mission for Prosper Learning. We base our actions on the following nine governing values: We strive to make the road to personal achievement meaningful, rewarding, and enjoyable. We expect joy in the journey and passion in the process. The acquisition of wealth must be a means to personal fulfillment. prosperlearning We provide effective products and services. 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We expect joy in the journey and passion in the process. The acquisition of wealth must be a means to personal fulfillment. prosperlearning We provide effective products and services. We research, develop, produce, market, and distribute products and services which, when applied, will produce desired results. We serve our students. Our students are valued friends, and we strive to contract and build strong relationships. We will deliver to our students what they seek, effectively and efficiently. We will strive always to deliver more than we promise. We produce quality. In both the work place and the marketplace, we provide quality experiences and products. We strive for excellence and take pride in daily tasks. We will not sacrifice or jeopardize long-term reputation, integrity, and viability on the altar of short-term benefit. We are responsive. We seek and welcome meaningful change. Renewal is the essence of survival. 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We subscribe to the principle, "Give someone a fish, and you feed them a meal; teach someone to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime." Prosper Learning is the best in educational and motivational development We are proactive. We are in control. We plan our course. We have clearly defined plans to accomplish our goals. We believe in strategic patience, not crisis management. Slow, careful foundation work is always fastest in the end. We rehearse and share our plans. We avoid needless risk by attending to detail and through open communication. We wisely manage corporate resources. As a corporation and as individuals, we recognize our stewardship and sense the necessity of using our resources and our material assets wisely, to fulfill the company mission. Prosper Learning Prosper Inc Prosper Learning Inc ProsperLearning prosperinc prosper system prospersystem GETTING STARTED WITH Prosper, Inc. 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Our mission at Prosper Learning Inc is to provide our students with the education and hands-on experiences they need to achieve their personal goals. http://www.prosperlearning.com All our efforts, products, and services are designed to accomplish the mission for Prosper Learning. We base our actions on the following nine governing values: We strive to make the road to personal achievement meaningful, rewarding, and enjoyable. We expect joy in the journey and passion in the process. The acquisition of wealth must be a means to personal fulfillment. prosperlearning We provide effective products and services. We research, develop, produce, market, and distribute products and services which, when applied, will produce desired results. We serve our students. Our students are valued friends, and we strive to contract and build strong relationships. We will deliver to our students what they seek, effectively and efficiently. We will strive always to deliver more than we promise. 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We enjoy our interdependence and we recognize that we are stronger because of it. About Prosper Inc. We teach lasting principles and expect lasting results. We search for, live by, and teach correct principles. Our products and services are based on correct principles that, when applied, produce positive results in the lives of individuals and families. The highest benefits come when true principles are internalized. We subscribe to the principle, "Give someone a fish, and you feed them a meal; teach someone to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime." Prosper Learning is the best in educational and motivational development We are proactive. We are in control. We plan our course. We have clearly defined plans to accomplish our goals. We believe in strategic patience, not crisis management. Slow, careful foundation work is always fastest in the end. We rehearse and share our plans. We avoid needless risk by attending to detail and through open communication. We wisely manage corporate resources. As a corporation and as individuals, we recognize our stewardship and sense the necessity of using our resources and our material assets wisely, to fulfill the company mission. Prosper Learning Prosper Inc Prosper Learning Inc ProsperLearning prosperinc prosper system prospersystem GETTING STARTED WITH Prosper, Inc. Getting started is easy if you are self-disciplined, motivated, and have an insatiable hunger to succeed. Be among the selection of individuals Prosper has educated in real estate investing, website design and marketing, stock market investing, business marketing, and personal finance. Membership is by invitation only so speak with a Prosper consultant now and learn how to get started on your road to success. See if you qualify for the team by calling 877-454-9266 and giving the code "prospersite" to your representative. We look forward to speaking with you about your goals and dreams. From overstock at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 06:10:41 2006 From: overstock at gmail.com (overstock@gmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 29 07:14:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ProsperInc Message-ID: <200610291110.k9TBAfEL021685@localhost.localdomain> About Prosper Learning, Inc. Our mission at Prosper Learning Inc is to provide our students with the education and hands-on experiences they need to achieve their personal goals. http://www.prosperlearning.com All our efforts, products, and services are designed to accomplish the mission for Prosper Learning. We base our actions on the following nine governing values: We strive to make the road to personal achievement meaningful, rewarding, and enjoyable. We expect joy in the journey and passion in the process. The acquisition of wealth must be a means to personal fulfillment. prosperlearning We provide effective products and services. We research, develop, produce, market, and distribute products and services which, when applied, will produce desired results. We serve our students. Our students are valued friends, and we strive to contract and build strong relationships. We will deliver to our students what they seek, effectively and efficiently. We will strive always to deliver more than we promise. We produce quality. In both the work place and the marketplace, we provide quality experiences and products. We strive for excellence and take pride in daily tasks. We will not sacrifice or jeopardize long-term reputation, integrity, and viability on the altar of short-term benefit. We are responsive. We seek and welcome meaningful change. Renewal is the essence of survival. By understanding our business and by becoming sensitive to our world, we position ourselves in an ever-changing marketplace. We strive to create an environment where creativity flourishes. We need innovation and improvement. We believe in synergy. We practice teamwork and continually strive for a harmonious blending of employee, associate, and customer talents and suggestions. No member of our team is primary. The contribution of every member is necessary. Each employee, customer, and associate has a unique contribution to make to our team; we value our differences. We enjoy our interdependence and we recognize that we are stronger because of it. About Prosper Inc. We teach lasting principles and expect lasting results. We search for, live by, and teach correct principles. Our products and services are based on correct principles that, when applied, produce positive results in the lives of individuals and families. The highest benefits come when true principles are internalized. We subscribe to the principle, "Give someone a fish, and you feed them a meal; teach someone to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime." Prosper Learning is the best in educational and motivational development We are proactive. We are in control. We plan our course. We have clearly defined plans to accomplish our goals. We believe in strategic patience, not crisis management. Slow, careful foundation work is always fastest in the end. We rehearse and share our plans. We avoid needless risk by attending to detail and through open communication. We wisely manage corporate resources. As a corporation and as individuals, we recognize our stewardship and sense the necessity of using our resources and our material assets wisely, to fulfill the company mission. Prosper Learning Prosper Inc Prosper Learning Inc ProsperLearning prosperinc prosper system prospersystem GETTING STARTED WITH Prosper, Inc. Getting started is easy if you are self-disciplined, motivated, and have an insatiable hunger to succeed. Be among the selection of individuals Prosper has educated in real estate investing, website design and marketing, stock market investing, business marketing, and personal finance. Membership is by invitation only so speak with a Prosper consultant now and learn how to get started on your road to success. See if you qualify for the team by calling 877-454-9266 and giving the code "prospersite" to your representative. We look forward to speaking with you about your goals and dreams. From overstock at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 06:10:41 2006 From: overstock at gmail.com (overstock@gmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 29 07:14:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ProsperInc Message-ID: <200610291110.k9TBAf3q021687@localhost.localdomain> About Prosper Learning, Inc. Our mission at Prosper Learning Inc is to provide our students with the education and hands-on experiences they need to achieve their personal goals. http://www.prosperlearning.com All our efforts, products, and services are designed to accomplish the mission for Prosper Learning. We base our actions on the following nine governing values: We strive to make the road to personal achievement meaningful, rewarding, and enjoyable. We expect joy in the journey and passion in the process. The acquisition of wealth must be a means to personal fulfillment. prosperlearning We provide effective products and services. We research, develop, produce, market, and distribute products and services which, when applied, will produce desired results. We serve our students. Our students are valued friends, and we strive to contract and build strong relationships. We will deliver to our students what they seek, effectively and efficiently. We will strive always to deliver more than we promise. We produce quality. In both the work place and the marketplace, we provide quality experiences and products. We strive for excellence and take pride in daily tasks. We will not sacrifice or jeopardize long-term reputation, integrity, and viability on the altar of short-term benefit. We are responsive. We seek and welcome meaningful change. Renewal is the essence of survival. By understanding our business and by becoming sensitive to our world, we position ourselves in an ever-changing marketplace. We strive to create an environment where creativity flourishes. We need innovation and improvement. We believe in synergy. We practice teamwork and continually strive for a harmonious blending of employee, associate, and customer talents and suggestions. No member of our team is primary. The contribution of every member is necessary. Each employee, customer, and associate has a unique contribution to make to our team; we value our differences. We enjoy our interdependence and we recognize that we are stronger because of it. About Prosper Inc. We teach lasting principles and expect lasting results. We search for, live by, and teach correct principles. Our products and services are based on correct principles that, when applied, produce positive results in the lives of individuals and families. The highest benefits come when true principles are internalized. 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Schneider, kgs@bluehighways.com AIM/Skype: freerangelib From bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 12:35:08 2006 From: bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com (Bonnie Tijerina) Date: Mon Oct 30 12:35:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007: thinkdigital_ -- Registration Begins October 30, 2006 Message-ID: Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007: thinkdigital_ February 22-24, 2007 Global Learning and Conference Center, Georgia Institute of Technology http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/ *********************************************** Registration is now open for Electronic Resources & Libraries 2007: thinkdigital. http://www.electroniclibrarian.org/register/register.php Our proposals look promising and cover a wide range of topics related to e-resources: Use & Usability Web Tools & Technologies ERMS Library-Vendor Relations Collaborative E-Resources Management Open Access & Institutional Repositories Collection Development of E-resources Search capabilities Check out the site for titles/abstracts of some accepted proposals. 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The site I saw this on: says you may replace that with a window.onload in the script file, but before I get in any deeper I am asking people who actually know what they're doing. :-) -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive Schenectady County (NY) Public Library From jml4n at virginia.edu Mon Oct 30 15:33:00 2006 From: jml4n at virginia.edu (John Loy) Date: Mon Oct 30 15:33:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, I recommend using the Suckerfish css dropdowns technique. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ And use an unobtrusive method of attaching functions to the onLoad event. http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter4.html http://www.dustindiaz.com/rock-solid-addevent/ http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2005/10/_and_the_winner_1.html http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2005/10/add-event/ -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Robert Sullivan wrote: > I have found an almost-pure CSS method method for drop down menus > which works across browsers and validates, except that it uses a small > piece of Javascript which is called by . > > That won't pass the validator and since I don't speak Javascript I am > looking for an alternative means of doing that. The site I saw this > on: > > > > says you may replace that with a window.onload in the script file, but > before I get in any deeper I am asking people who actually know what > they're doing. :-) > > -- > Bob Sullivan > Schenectady Digital History Archive > > Schenectady County (NY) Public Library From lscritch at cochisecold.lib.az.us Mon Oct 30 16:09:14 2006 From: lscritch at cochisecold.lib.az.us (Larry Scritchfield) Date: Mon Oct 30 16:10:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454669FA.5040006@cochisecold.lib.az.us> Here's a Javascript-free alternative. http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm But note, the CSS hacks don't validate (e.g. the backslashes in the CSS are intentional). -- Larry Scritchfield Systems Librarian 100 Clawson Ave PO Drawer AK Bisbee, AZ 85603 520-432-8930 520-432-7339 FAX lscritch@cochisecold.lib.az.us Robert Sullivan wrote: > I have found an almost-pure CSS method method for drop down menus > which works across browsers and validates, except that it uses a small > piece of Javascript which is called by . > > That won't pass the validator and since I don't speak Javascript I am > looking for an alternative means of doing that. The site I saw this > on: > > > > says you may replace that with a window.onload in the script file, but > before I get in any deeper I am asking people who actually know what > they're doing. :-) > From tomkeays at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 18:43:21 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Mon Oct 30 18:43:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Video blogging storage question In-Reply-To: <20061030163432.33252135AE@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <20061030163432.33252135AE@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610301543o1cd4e99aj5514e8a6e02b4389@mail.gmail.com> The Video Site Cheat Sheet at Light Reading has a chart of vlog hosting options. Might be worth a look. http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=97890 -- Tom From tomkeays at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 18:49:26 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Mon Oct 30 18:49:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610301549j636b6915g31817090ae6ad75e@mail.gmail.com> Simon Willison came up with the standard way to do this via a DOM event handler. See if it solves the problem. http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2004/05/26/addLoadEvent The actual code involved: function addLoadEvent(func) { var oldonload = window.onload; if (typeof window.onload != 'function') { window.onload = func; } else { window.onload = function() { if (oldonload) { oldonload(); } func(); } } } addLoadEvent(nameOfSomeFunctionToRunOnPageLoad); addLoadEvent(function() { /* more code to run on page load */ }); On 10/30/06, Robert Sullivan wrote: > I have found an almost-pure CSS method method for drop down menus > which works across browsers and validates, except that it uses a small > piece of Javascript which is called by . > > That won't pass the validator and since I don't speak Javascript I am > looking for an alternative means of doing that. The site I saw this > on: > > > > says you may replace that with a window.onload in the script file, but > before I get in any deeper I am asking people who actually know what > they're doing. :-) > > -- > Bob Sullivan > Schenectady Digital History Archive > > Schenectady County (NY) Public Library > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Tom From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 20:38:40 2006 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Mon Oct 30 20:38:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Dublin Core: An idea and thoughts Message-ID: <97d9c0c70610301738s60d175cfre21754669291fa7c@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, I've been mulling an idea over in my head for a while now, and am just getting to the point where I think I can sufficiently explain it. I have not really floated this idea to many people yet, so I am interested in hearing feedback from everyone out there. First, some preamble: As with most good ideas that have not gone anywhere, the problem lies in the execution, and not the idea itself. I think that, unfortunately, such is the case with Dublin Core. It was meant to help organize the web - to provide metadata and machine-understandable context that the average web developer could deploy without having a degree in information retrieval. Unfortunately, after almost 10 years of having this standard, we're not really much further ahead. I know many software projects use Dublin Core as a foundation for their metadata - projects such as Dspace, Fedora, Greenstone, and countless others. Ironically, however, these are projects that are used mostly by information retrieval professionals, and DC has made few inroads to being adopted by the general web development public. I think one of the reasons for this discrepancy is the lack of useful and popular tools for this standard. It all starts with the people producing the content. Presently, for a website to have a Dublin Core record it must be included in the metadata section of the header of each and every page you create - a task that gets exponentially cumbersome when it comes to maintaining hundreds or thousands of web pages. This metadata must often be hand-crafted - yes there are some tools that assist in the construction to some extent, but there is no auto-creation of metadata mechanism. The second part of the puzzle is the people organizing the content. They depend on the people producing the content, but with so few sites using Dublin Core, they have no impetus to build it into their software products. The third part is, of course, the people consuming the content. However, since the people producing the content are not supplying the people organizing it with any useful information, they cannot pass this along to the consumers. 'Consumers' take what they are given, which in the current information environment means they rely on Google's ranking algorithim. Now, the idea: Since every web site must be served from a web server, what if we could take the metadata cataloguing and management from the page level and place it with the server itself. In thinking about this, I specifically had in mind Apache as a platform, but other platforms would function similarly. By installing a module for Apache (say, 'mod_dc' or similar), it would extend the functionality of the server to understand and serve requests for Dublin Core metadata. By keeping the configuration of this as simple as possible I believe that we can lower the barriers of implementation. Consider: every subdirectory in a website can contain a .htaccess file. This file provides local configuration options for all files in that directory and below. What if, in this file, we could write (example given in pseudo-code): Title of site or sub-site 2006-10-30 Joe Q. Developer\ etc. etc. for all the DC elements Since .htaccess files can get parsed hierachially, you could inherit common properties across all the pages in your site. (sort of like a cascading style sheet.) So, if you had one publishing organization for the entire site, you would not have to maintain that in each subfolder - you could place that tag in your site root or even in your main configuration file, and all pages and subsites below that would inherit that information. To override that for, say, an independent sub-site, simply put a tag in the .htaccess file in that sub-directory. This would alleviate most of the work done by developers, and allow for a centralized record that could be maintained by people other than the 'code monkeys' without having to re-write every page on the website. (librarians and taxonomists, here's your chance!) For organizers and consumers, then, they would use tools that would pass a query to the webserver to see what it has to offer for Dublin Core. Something like: http://www.mysite.com/?dc or http://www.mysite.com/subsite/?dc. The server would then respond with properly formatted XML of the complete Dublin Core record that could then be parsed by a web browser, but could also be parsed with a myriad of other tools to provide further indexing, navigation, structural and semantic metadata. What's out there now: I have had a look at a number of other projects that seem to offer similar services, but so far I have been underwhelmed. There is a mod_dublincore project out there, but it seemed to be focussed on providing RSS functionality, and in any case has not been updated since 2000. (http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/dc/). There is also mod_oai which looks extremely powerful, but it also fairly dense to implement. I would envision something that was, above all, simple to implement, and easy to see real, tangible benefits for putting it in place. Like I mentioned before, the key sticking point is getting the content developers to do it. Once they start delivering metadata, the organizers and consumers will start using it. "If you build it, they will come." The barriers in implementation and ongoing maintenence needs just need to be much, much lower. That said, I'm looking for some feedback on this idea. I know there are some drawbacks to this implementation, and it might have already been tried and failed - I don't know. Any and all opinions are welcome. Andrew From tomkeays at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 22:05:17 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Mon Oct 30 22:05:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00610301905u384567c2j54be483806c99ddc@mail.gmail.com> I have the ideal test machine: an ancient and anemic Macintosh PowerBook with 128M of RAM running Mac OS X 10.2. This means that the installed versions of the Safari and Internet Explorer browsers are trapped in a time bubble: they pretty much hate anything modern and CSS-only versions of dropdowns almost always bomb. I keep getting my hopes up that I eventually will find a pure CSS menu that will work. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm This is a pretty nice drop down menu system. It works on Safari and IE because it is largely driven by Javascript. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Nope. The drop-downs are rendered in the wrong place on the page in Safari and don't work at all under IE. http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm Nope again. Same deal as the previous example. -- Tom From julytele at yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 05:59:55 2006 From: julytele at yahoo.com (julija miezyte) Date: Tue Oct 31 06:00:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] (no subject) Message-ID: <20061031105955.74320.qmail@web50304.mail.yahoo.com> --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com From denials at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 07:16:53 2006 From: denials at gmail.com (Dan Scott) Date: Tue Oct 31 07:16:59 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <60a2c0c00610301905u384567c2j54be483806c99ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> <60a2c0c00610301905u384567c2j54be483806c99ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ugh. CSS drop-downs or JavaScript drop-downs -- either way, they are relatively evil because as non-standard browser widgets they tend to become a guessing game for your users. How many sites have you played the game where you try to hover your mouse over exactly the right spot? Or watched your menu scroll off the bottom (or top) of the page with no way of getting to the hidden options because the designer did not anticipate that you were using an 800x600 display instead of a 1280x1024? The reason for this mini-rant is to beg you to consider using simple select / input type=?option? HTML form elements. Any browser made in the last 6 years, including links/lynx, renders select forms in a usable way, and users are perfectly familiar with using select forms in their own preferred browser, which is probably why Google uses them extensively in its interfaces. They might not be sexy, but they work -- and that?s what is going to enable your users to get to your information they need (even if they need sexy information)! Dan Scott From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Oct 31 07:45:19 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Tue Oct 31 07:45:27 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4547455F.7030309@ohiolink.edu> On 10/30/2006 3:18 PM, Robert Sullivan wrote: > ...it uses a small > piece of Javascript which is called by ...That won't pass > the validator... [Valuable discussion of how and whether to do drop downs clipped...] What won't validate about onLoad? (Unless you're using XHTML, in case in needs to be "onload".) -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 08:28:19 2006 From: robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com (Robert Sullivan) Date: Tue Oct 31 08:28:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <4547455F.7030309@ohiolink.edu> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> <4547455F.7030309@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <32c265400610310528l2c2b19cdtf2ba2d2d5df16da5@mail.gmail.com> Thomas Dowling wrote: > What won't validate about onLoad? (Unless you're using XHTML, in case > in needs to be "onload".) Ouch. I am using strict XHTML and tried the script name in lower case but forgot the onLoad function, so it does validate when I change that. This seems to either work or degrade gracefully to a list in everything I have tried so far (assorted Windows browsers, WebTV emulator, Safari, Lynx), but is it better to call the Javascript with something like the Willison method mentioned by Tom Keays? Regarding the concerns raised by Dan Scott, I think having display set to block fixes the issue of where to put your mouse...? I hadn't thought about what happens on an 800 x 600 display or lower, so I will test that. Thanks to all for your comments; this has been most enlightening. I've looked at a lot of these menus and even the ones which look pretty nice (e.g., the Suckerfish example) seem to have some compatibility problems, so I was hopeful that this elegant projectseven setup was going to be the answer. -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive Schenectady County (NY) Public Library From smeyer at library.wisc.edu Tue Oct 31 09:27:00 2006 From: smeyer at library.wisc.edu (Stephen Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 31 09:27:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Valid substitute for body onLoad() In-Reply-To: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <32c265400610301218w4d5ffa87kec0999205d979d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45475D34.1070008@library.wisc.edu> In Jeremy Keith's book DOM Scripting, which provides a good introduction to unobtrusive JavaScript, he recommends using Simon Willison's addLoadEvent function as a method for removing event attributes from your markup: http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2004/05/26/addLoadEvent It has two major advantages: first, you can use it to queue up multiple events to run once the page loads; and second, it allows you to put in place a number of checks to ensure that a js-based utility will function properly before it tries to execute. It scales well and degrades gracefully. -Steve Robert Sullivan wrote: > I have found an almost-pure CSS method method for drop down menus > which works across browsers and validates, except that it uses a small > piece of Javascript which is called by . > > That won't pass the validator and since I don't speak Javascript I am > looking for an alternative means of doing that. The site I saw this > on: > > > > says you may replace that with a window.onload in the script file, but > before I get in any deeper I am asking people who actually know what > they're doing. :-) > -- Stephen Meyer Library Application Developer UW-Madison Libraries 312F Memorial Library 728 State St. Madison, WI 53706 smeyer@library.wisc.edu 608-265-2844 (ph) "Just don't let the human factor fail to be a factor at all." - Andrew Bird, "Tables and Chairs" From kmiddlet at ulibnet.mtsu.edu Tue Oct 31 09:57:58 2006 From: kmiddlet at ulibnet.mtsu.edu (kmiddlet@ulibnet.mtsu.edu) Date: Tue Oct 31 09:57:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Middle Tenn. State Univ. Library Message-ID: <45471016.17878.14F2A670@localhost> Middle Tennessee State University's Walker Library has an opening for a Web Services Librarian. See the posting at: http://ulibnet.mtsu.edu/web.html As the ad indicates, the salary is "highly competitive." The area has a low cost of living, and Murfreesboro is only 30 miles from Nashville. Ken Middleton User Services Librarian Walker Library, Box 013 Middle Tennessee State Univ. Murfreesboro, TN 37132 (615) 904-8524 kmiddlet@ulibnet.mtsu.edu From Angela.Timmerman at springer.com Tue Oct 31 10:43:20 2006 From: Angela.Timmerman at springer.com (Timmerman, Angela, Springer NL) Date: Tue Oct 31 10:43:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 2007 Charleston Conference panel discussion Message-ID: *****apologies for cross-posting***** 2007 Charleston Conference panel discussion LIVE from the Charleston Conference *********************************************** Springer will sponsor an eBooks panel discussion from the Charleston conference on Friday, November 10, 2006 at 2:00 pm and we invite you to join us via a live online presentation. Topic: eBooks and Libraries: Near and Future eBook Trends that Will Impact Libraries As eBook adoption continues in academic libraries what special challenges do librarians face in adopting eBooks - educating their library patrons, monitoring usage, building eBook acquisitions into their budgets? Moderated by Sara Nelson, Editor-in-Chief, Publishers Weekly *********************************************** Join Springer's no-charge webinar Friday, November 10, 2006 at 2:00 pm EST. Register now and save time! Password: orange http://springer.r.delivery.net/r/r?1.1.Ee.2Tp.1dirJJ.BuhDI_.2.T.CpS2.2j6 i.U_nFR~ Session number and password will also be sent to you after you register. -------------------------------------------------------- Topic: eBooks and Libraries - Near and Future eBook Trends that Will Impact Libraries -------------------------------------------------------- Four leading eBook experts, including university librarian Jeanne Pyle, Library Director of the University of Texas, will discuss the future growth and trends of eBook use by academic, university, and corporate librarians. -------------------------------------------------------- Moderator: Sara Nelson, Editor-in-Chief, Publishers Weekly Panelists: - Jeanne Pyle, Library Director of the University of Texas at Tyler. - Richard Curtis, President of Richard Curtis Associates, Inc. - a leading New York literary agent. - James Gray, CEO of Coutts Information Services. - Olaf Ernst, Global eBook Director for Springer ******************************* Also, visit www.springer.com/librarians for additional information. Kind regards, The Springer Library Relations Team libraryrelations@springer.com From Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu Tue Oct 31 11:27:14 2006 From: Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu (Elena OMalley) Date: Tue Oct 31 11:27:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Keeping library web pages in-house Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D0E0F028C@mail.emerson.edu> Lara Little wrote: > My questions for other folks who have dealt with > this is basically: What arguments have you used to keep control of > your site's design and content? Thanks for any suggestions! I would just like to put in a good word for trying to work with the college's web team/person as much as possible. When we made the transition to the college's CMS, we did have to give up certain things. However, we also brought our usability studies and commitment to accessibility with us to the transition meetings, and by agreeing to move to the site (but keeping certain parts on our own server), our college web team was motivated to create tools and make allowances that ultimately benefited other departments as well. I recognize that there are times to take a hard line and disassociate from systems that are unworkable. Your mileage will vary. Elena O'Malley __ Head of Library Computer and Internet Services Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 From platoff at library.ucsb.edu Tue Oct 31 12:55:00 2006 From: platoff at library.ucsb.edu (Annie Platoff) Date: Tue Oct 31 12:55:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Anyone using Bricolage, Drupal, Plone, TYPO 3, WebGUI, Xaraya, or Xoops for your CMS? Message-ID: <45478DF4.7080508@library.ucsb.edu> We are in the process of selecting a Content Management System to use for our library web site. Is there anyone out there using the following? Bricolage, Drupal, Plone, TYPO 3, WebGUI, Xaraya, or Xoops Please include the name of your library, the URL for the site that you are using it for, and any comments on how it is working for you. If possible, please give me an e-mail address of someone I can contact if I have specific questions about your implementation. Thanks! Annie Platoff University of California, Santa Barbara From jml4n at virginia.edu Tue Oct 31 13:02:45 2006 From: jml4n at virginia.edu (John Loy) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:02:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Anyone using Bricolage, Drupal, Plone, TYPO 3, WebGUI, Xaraya, or Xoops for your CMS? In-Reply-To: <45478DF4.7080508@library.ucsb.edu> References: <45478DF4.7080508@library.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <5D77F1D1-8FA6-4A71-A302-26F288AFDE8F@virginia.edu> I've heard that the Ann Arbour Public Library is using Drupal. http://www.aadl.org/ -- John Loy Web Designer and Information Architect University of Virginia Library phone: (434) 924-7099 fax: (434) 924-1431 552 Alderman Library http://lib.virginia.edu On Oct 31, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Annie Platoff wrote: > We are in the process of selecting a Content Management System to > use for our library web site. Is there anyone out there using the > following? > > Bricolage, Drupal, Plone, TYPO 3, WebGUI, Xaraya, or Xoops > > Please include the name of your library, the URL for the site that > you are using it for, and any comments on how it is working for you. > If possible, please give me an e-mail address of someone I can > contact if I have specific questions about your implementation. > > Thanks! > > Annie Platoff > University of California, Santa Barbara > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ecraig at cnr.edu Tue Oct 31 13:41:12 2006 From: ecraig at cnr.edu (Craig, Emory) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:41:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 2007 Charleston Conference panel discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF03A720D4@adams.cnr.edu> A more direct link to register for the ebook panel discussion is the following (click on the Upcoming tab on the page): https://springer.webex.com/mw0302l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=springer It will save you a few steps! -e Emory Craig Director of Academic Computing Services The College of New Rochelle 914-654-5536 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Timmerman, Angela, Springer NL Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:43 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] 2007 Charleston Conference panel discussion *****apologies for cross-posting***** 2007 Charleston Conference panel discussion LIVE from the Charleston Conference *********************************************** Springer will sponsor an eBooks panel discussion from the Charleston conference on Friday, November 10, 2006 at 2:00 pm and we invite you to join us via a live online presentation. Topic: eBooks and Libraries: Near and Future eBook Trends that Will Impact Libraries As eBook adoption continues in academic libraries what special challenges do librarians face in adopting eBooks - educating their library patrons, monitoring usage, building eBook acquisitions into their budgets? Moderated by Sara Nelson, Editor-in-Chief, Publishers Weekly *********************************************** Join Springer's no-charge webinar Friday, November 10, 2006 at 2:00 pm EST. Register now and save time! Password: orange http://springer.r.delivery.net/r/r?1.1.Ee.2Tp.1dirJJ.BuhDI_.2.T.CpS2.2j6 i.U_nFR~ Session number and password will also be sent to you after you register. -------------------------------------------------------- Topic: eBooks and Libraries - Near and Future eBook Trends that Will Impact Libraries -------------------------------------------------------- Four leading eBook experts, including university librarian Jeanne Pyle, Library Director of the University of Texas, will discuss the future growth and trends of eBook use by academic, university, and corporate librarians. -------------------------------------------------------- Moderator: Sara Nelson, Editor-in-Chief, Publishers Weekly Panelists: - Jeanne Pyle, Library Director of the University of Texas at Tyler. - Richard Curtis, President of Richard Curtis Associates, Inc. - a leading New York literary agent. - James Gray, CEO of Coutts Information Services. - Olaf Ernst, Global eBook Director for Springer ******************************* Also, visit www.springer.com/librarians for additional information. Kind regards, The Springer Library Relations Team libraryrelations@springer.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Oct 31 19:09:11 2006 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Tue Oct 31 19:09:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] More music questions In-Reply-To: <5EA83EBFA109A24690B95D73CAD14AEF14D0E8A5@BUX2K.bgm.bu.int> References: <5EA83EBFA109A24690B95D73CAD14AEF14D0E8A5@BUX2K.bgm.bu.int> Message-ID: Hi. I got a number of good ideas from the recent "Where to invest in music collection" thread but am wondering if anyone could could speak to some technical questions and processes. On the top floor of our library we have a music collection that consists of ref materials, sheet music, LPs and CDs, mostly. We have capital money for physical remodeling as well as money for hardware and server-based software apps to offer digital music to our patrons. We are basically aware of the status of online subscription services but some on my campus are expressing a keen urge for us to store and serve audio files. I and my staff of 3 manage all of our servers, desktops, and apps here in the building. My colleagues have asked me to explore hardware/software solutions for offering online digital audio class reserves. Whatever solution we ever went with would likely be unix/linux or Mac Servers - otherwise they'd have to reside in the campus computing DMZ. Would anyone be willing to share any info on how they've proceeded, what worked and what didn't, listservs to read, reviews, whatever? Open source solutions are always welcome. We have to do a major remodel of our comm room in the building before we proceed with any implementation so we're probably six to twelve months out. Thanks very much for any suggestions. John Creech, Systems Librarian Brooks Library, Central Washington University 400 E. University Way | Ellensburg, WA 98926 office - 509.963.1081 From ingrid.mason at natlib.govt.nz Tue Oct 31 21:33:50 2006 From: ingrid.mason at natlib.govt.nz (Ingrid Mason) Date: Tue Oct 31 21:34:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: Web Curator Tool Message-ID: Organisations in the business of building up digital collections, including web material, to meet heritage or research requirements, may want to consider the potential in the web harvesting and curation made possible using the Web Curator Tool, please find following an announcement of the tool's release. Ingrid Mason ANNOUNCEMENT The National Library of New Zealand and The British Library are pleased to announce the release of the Web Curator Tool as an open-source project. The tool, and its manuals, FAQs, mailing lists, source code, developer documentation, and other information, including a presentation, are available from http://webcurator.sf.net/. About the Web Curator Tool The Web Curator Tool is a tool for managing the selective web harvesting process. It is designed for non-technical users in libraries and other collecting institutions who need to capture web material for archival purposes. The tool's workflow encompasses the following tasks: * Harvest Authorisation: seeking and recording permission to harvest web material, and to make it accessible to the general public. * Selection and scoping: determining what material should be harvested, be it a web site, a web page, a partial web site, a group (or collection) of web sites, or any combination of these. * Scheduling: determining when a harvest should occur, and when it should be repeated. * Description: describing harvests with basic Dublin Core metadata, and other specialized fields (or a by a providing a reference to an external catalogue). * Harvesting: the Web Curator Tool will download the selected web material at the appointed time using the Internet Archive's Heritrix web crawler -- each installation can have multiple harvesters on different machines, each which can perform several harvests simultaneously. * Quality Review: tools are provided for making sure the harvest worked as expected, and correcting simple harvest errors. * Endorsing and submitting: if the harvest was a success, it is endorsed then submitted to an external digital archive. International Collaboration The Web Curator Tool Project was a joint project undertaken by National Library of New Zealand and the British Library and working with standards emerging from under the auspices of the International Internet Preservation Consortium (IIPC). The software was built by Sytec Resources Ltd. in New Zealand. Each partner provided around half the funding and contributed personnel to the project team and the test teams. Other IIPC member organisations provided invaluable assistance along the way, particularly the National Library of Australia (procurement and design) and the Library of Congress (requirements and specifications). The main goal of the project was to design and build a Web Curator Tool that meets the needs of the two partners, and that is modular and can be extended to meet the needs of IIPC members and other collecting organisations. This ambition was realised with the open-source release of the tool on 22 September 2006. Going forward, we hope a wider community of IIPC members, national libraries, and other collecting organisations will use and benefit from the Web Curator Tool, and that they will make their own contributions to its future development and direction. Technical details The Web Curator Tool is designed to run in an enterprise setting, and would normally be installed by a system administrator (it is not a desktop application). Users access the software through a standard web browser. It requires Java (version 1.5), Apache Tomcat (version 5.5), a relational database, an external archive and/or access tool (such as WERA or Wayback), and (optionally) an LDAP directory for user authentication. The software is tested on Solaris (version 9) and Red Hat Linux. It has been installed and run on Windows and on Debian Linux, and should work on any platform that supports Apache Tomcat. The Oracle and PostgreSQL databases are officially supported (by testing and installation scripts), MySQL has been used, and any database that Hibernate supports (including MySQL, Microsoft SQL Server, and about 20 others) should be compatible. The Web Curator Tool is Free Software, distributed under the terms of the Apache Public License (version 2.0). It incorporates parts or all of several other Free Software packages, including Acegi Security System, Apache Axis, Apache Commons Logging, Heritrix (version 1.8), Hibernate (database connectivity), Quartz (scheduling), Spring Application Framework, and Wayback (version 0.6). Recent builds, the current source code, and developer documentation are available from http://webcurator.sf.net/. More information For more information, including a full description, Quick Start and System Administrator Guides, and updates on the project, please visit the Web Curator Tool website, join the mailing lists (available from the website), or email the project team, who will be pleased to take your comments and respond to your queries. Website: http://webcurator.sf.net/ National Library of New Zealand team: wct@natlib.govt.nz British Library team: wct@bl.uk Ingrid Mason Resource Analyst: Innovation Centre Epublications Librarian: Alexander Turnbull Library National Library of New Zealand Te Puna Matauranga o Aotearoa New Zealand = Aotearoa ws: www.natlib.govt.nz em: ingrid.mason@natlib.govt.nz The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make use of its contents. 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