[Web4lib] RE: More on the Open Content Alliance

[Broun, Kevin (NIH/NCI)]

Why is the assumption that the content would be locked up in either
place (Google or UM)?  Once it's online, will other search engines be
prevented from coming along to index it?

It also might be good to get past the notion that it's a bad thing that
Google is in this, whether in whole or in part, for the money.  If it
wasn't for the money then the progress in digital initiatives at these
libraries, and in competing/related projects like OCA, would be a lot
slower in coming.  And if we don't think that Yahoo's participation in
OCA isn't at least partially motivated by potential profits and the need
to compete with Google, then we've been breathing a little too much dust
from those volumes that are being brushed off before they go into the
scanners...

- Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bardsley [mailto:bardsley at u.washington.edu] 
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:20 PM
To: 'Roy Tennant'; 'Web4Lib'
Subject: RE: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance

If Roy gets to belabor, so do I. I obviously didn't intend to imply that
U.
Michigan's books would in anyway become Google's upon scanning. I am
trying
to point out that if U. Michigan has a website that allows acces to the
their scanned books and Google has an interface that allows access to
their
scanned books and the books of other universities I don't foresee many
people using U. Michigan's website to search their (U. Michigan's)
scanned
books.

- Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:11 PM
To: Web4Lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance

Not to belabor this, but a final clarification of my intent since I
phrased
it poorly. Perry is correct, that to see the public domain material from
the
University of Michigan we won't need to go through Google. But I was
trying
to speak more about Google's intent. If Google truly wanted only the
public
good, then there would be no reason to be secretive -- in fact there
would
be some very good reasons to be completely open about how they are
accomplishing this technical feat. But Google wants content to get
eyeballs,
and therefore more advertising revenue. Therefore, they have little or
no
interest in making information about how they are doing things available
to
the rest of us. This has nothing to do with the University of Michigan,
but
it has a great deal to do with Google.
Roy

On Oct 28, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Perry Willett wrote:

> And to respond to Mark's comments: they're not Google's scanned books,

> they're ours. These are our collections, and we take curatorial 
> responsibility for both the print and digital versions. If people want

> to use Google Print, that's fine. Roy's point was that he thought that

> people would be forced to use Google to see these books, and that's 
> just not true.
>
> Perry
>
> Perry Willett
> Head, Digital Library Production Service 300 Hatcher North University 
> of Michigan Ann Arbor MI 48109-1205
> Ph: 734-764-8074
> Fax: 734-647-6897
> Email: pwillett at umich.edu
>
>
>
>> Perry,
>>
>> Being the devil's advocate here: why would I go to the U.
>> Michigan website to look for Google's scanned books when I could go 
>> to Google's website and get the "internet" as well as scanned in 
>> books from other universities? It might be useful for U. Michigan 
>> faculty staff and students to search the scanned books from U. 
>> Michigan but not the rest of the world.
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>
>
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