From morville at semanticstudios.com Tue Nov 1 09:01:26 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Tue Nov 1 09:01:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Laughing Lemur Contest Message-ID: Have a digital camera? Like books? Live dangerously? If so, enter today: http://www.findability.org/archives/000067.php May the best lemur win :-) Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org From kgaynor at webster.edu Tue Nov 1 11:33:11 2005 From: kgaynor at webster.edu (Kathy Gaynor) Date: Tue Nov 1 11:32:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this opportunity to reorganize our library's web site (). We started many years ago as a web site with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. We have made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat haphazard fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, let's move some stuff out of there). So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. We have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. "Facility Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are rather broad categories to my mind. So here are my questions: 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this topic would be much appreciated. Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian Emerson Library Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 961-2660 x7811 (314) 968-7113 fax kgaynor@webster.edu From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Tue Nov 1 11:45:40 2005 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Tue Nov 1 11:45:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site Message-ID: <0308C7DB96F7F242BB95CFF4FEA19425017A54DF@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> When we redesigned, we used "Information Architecture for the World Wide Web: Designing Large-Scale Web Sites (Paperback)by Louis Rosenfeld, Peter Morville " It helped us gather our thoughts, and best of all, by using this as an authority, we tried to eliminate everyone's personal opinions,and make decisions based on data and research. In our six month redesign, planning the architecture actually took the largest chunk of our time. We wound up initially with four main areas (or chunks), which did hold about everything. Our goal was to try not to overwhelm the user... we imagined going into a large store, and seeing 47 signs (ie links) telling us where to go. Too much. So, we made our categories broad, to be indicated on our home page by four main navigation area. Then within these major cateogories, we added more (ie folders within folders). On our site, each tab represents a folder under the main folder.This has served us pretty well: that is, there are some problems, but overall has been successful. It also helped cut down on the weekly "but this needs to go on the home page!" pleas. So far, this has held up for four years. We are also working on a redesign as well... but at this point, no one is arguing for changing the architecture, just the design. Of course, one could argue that this approach was too simplistic, and of course, YMMV. Lisa Pons-Haitz Webmaster University Libraries University of Cincinnati lisa.pons@uc.edu (513)556-1431 > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Kathy Gaynor > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:33 AM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site > > > We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use > this opportunity > to reorganize our library's web site > (). We > started many years ago as a web site with a handful of pages > that we threw > into the root directory. We have made subdirectories as > needed over the > years in a somewhat haphazard fashion (gee, the root > directory is getting > pretty long, let's move some stuff out of there). > > So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough > inventory. We > have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. > "Facility > Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are > rather broad > categories to my mind. > > So here are my questions: > > 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your > server? Do you put > everything under a subdirectory (e.g. > ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some > things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? > > 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? > > Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to > this topic > would be much appreciated. > > > Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian > Emerson Library > Webster University > 470 E. Lockwood Ave. > St. Louis, MO 63119 > (314) 961-2660 x7811 > (314) 968-7113 fax > kgaynor@webster.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jbnmia at zoominternet.net Tue Nov 1 11:50:16 2005 From: jbnmia at zoominternet.net (JB Bryant) Date: Tue Nov 1 11:50:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> Message-ID: <510AD4A6E2865E4AABFBC81AD2F62BD8086786D7@ntexch01.intra.cas.org> Kathy: This is analogous to creating a large library out of what started as a small book collection. In my opinion, the root directory should be treated as the library building itself. Few if any things should be there. I do think the root directory should contain an "index.htm" file -- in other words, something useful that visitors will see if they go straight to your root. But this index file could even be a redirector. As to organizing the content, again it is like building a book and resource collection. Small, private libraries or even small public libraries do not need to classify their books as granularly as larger libraries. A very small library that uses the Dewey system might choose to use only whole numbers in its classification system. But the possibilities of subdividing to the right of the decimal point are almost endless. The larger the collection, the more detail is needed in classification. The same is true with the files in your root directory. In the beginning, when you only had a handful of pages, placing a few files in the root directory was adequate. Now you've grown larger and your need to classify with more granularity. Your size alone can determine how much is enough. However, if you were advising a small library on building its classification system and that library knew it would steadily grow significantly larger, you would probably advise them to start off with detailed classification so that they didn't have to go back and re-number their holdings at a later date. Similarly, how detailed you choose to build your subdirectory structure depends on what you see in the future for your website. I hope this helps. J.B. Bryant Knowledge CPT Orrville, OH -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Gaynor Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:33 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this opportunity to reorganize our library's web site (). We started many years ago as a web site with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. We have made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat haphazard fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, let's move some stuff out of there). So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. We have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. "Facility Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are rather broad categories to my mind. So here are my questions: 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this topic would be much appreciated. Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian Emerson Library Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 961-2660 x7811 (314) 968-7113 fax kgaynor@webster.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Nov 1 12:05:54 2005 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:08:20 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> References: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> Message-ID: <4367A072.1060009@ohiolink.edu> Obligatory reference to , and a reminder that you can't expect all users to start at your home page and follow links from there. Arrange your files however it makes sense for you, but don't leave your users staring at "Page Not Found". If you really really have to change the URL, use some technique that provides a 301 (permanent redirect) header - not an http-equiv tag in an HTML page. In general, your users don't care if your file hierarchy is very vertical, very flat, or nearly nonsensical. A few will prefer it if the URLs have understandable names - hours.html rather than page3752.cfm or whatever, but that's about it. They do care if they start getting 404 errors. They also care about the logical navigational structures on your site. But there's nothing that says a breadcrumb trail of "About -> Hours -> Thanksgiving Holiday Hours" has to reflect a directory structure of /about/hours/txgiving.html. Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu Kathy Gaynor wrote: > We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this > opportunity to reorganize our library's web site > (). We started many years ago as a web site > with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. We have > made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat haphazard > fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, let's move some > stuff out of there). > > So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. > We have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. > "Facility Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are > rather broad categories to my mind. > > So here are my questions: > > 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you > put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or > are some things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? > > 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? > > Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this topic > would be much appreciated. > > > Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian > Emerson Library > Webster University > 470 E. Lockwood Ave. > St. Louis, MO 63119 > (314) 961-2660 x7811 > (314) 968-7113 fax > kgaynor@webster.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 1 12:15:56 2005 From: gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu (Grace J. Agnew) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:15:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> References: <004401c5dbf0$56d43930$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> Message-ID: <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Also, the sharing of information about the digitization process is also important for collaborative preservation--particularly to collaboratively address digital format obsolescence, etc. When the library world collaborates to set digitization standards, our intent is to insure usability for future generations, through transcoding, encapsulating, etc. as formats and technologies change. I wonder where Google sees itself in terms of collaborative preservation? Grace Agnew Roy Tennant wrote: > Not to belabor this, but a final clarification of my intent since I > phrased it poorly. Perry is correct, that to see the public domain > material from the University of Michigan we won't need to go through > Google. But I was trying to speak more about Google's intent. If > Google truly wanted only the public good, then there would be no > reason to be secretive -- in fact there would be some very good > reasons to be completely open about how they are accomplishing this > technical feat. But Google wants content to get eyeballs, and > therefore more advertising revenue. Therefore, they have little or no > interest in making information about how they are doing things > available to the rest of us. This has nothing to do with the > University of Michigan, but it has a great deal to do with Google. > Roy > > On Oct 28, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Perry Willett wrote: > >> And to respond to Mark's comments: they're not Google's >> scanned books, they're ours. These are our collections, and >> we take curatorial responsibility for both the print and >> digital versions. If people want to use Google Print, >> that's fine. Roy's point was that he thought that people >> would be forced to use Google to see these books, and >> that's just not true. >> >> Perry >> >> Perry Willett >> Head, Digital Library Production Service >> 300 Hatcher North >> University of Michigan >> Ann Arbor MI 48109-1205 >> Ph: 734-764-8074 >> Fax: 734-647-6897 >> Email: pwillett@umich.edu >> >> >> >>> Perry, >>> >>> Being the devil's advocate here: why would I go to the U. >>> Michigan website to look for Google's scanned books when >>> I could go to Google's website and get the "internet" as >>> well as scanned in books from other universities? It >>> might be useful for U. Michigan faculty staff and students >>> to search the scanned books from U. Michigan but not the >>> rest of the world. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ____________________________________________________________ Grace Agnew Associate University Librarian for Digital Library Systems Rutgers University Libraries 47 Davidson Road Piscataway, NJ 08854 732/445-5908 gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu /Better research, better papers, better grades! Try Searchpath , our new online information literacy tutorial./ http://searchpath.libraries.rutgers.edu From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 12:27:59 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:28:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> References: <004401c5dbf0$56d43930$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: Indeed, someone in the audience during a panel discussion on Google Print at the recent Internet Librarian conference raised a related concern: What happens when libraries participating in the project begin to feel shelf space pressures? I asked if he was concerned a la NIcholson Baker w/r/t libraries shedding newspaper collections after they are microfilmed or digitized. He said that was exactly his concern. Another attendee told me that Oxford has concluded that the level of quality if the Google digitization process is not sufficient to meet their standards for preservation. He also said that Oxford will use a manual page turning process for their scanning, implying that the other participants will use a robotic device to turn the pages. Finally, he said that Oxford will do the scanning in a facility separate from the Bodleian Library, and they will set up a workflow process that allows a book to be pulled from the assembly line if a patron happens to request it, with the work to be re-queued for later scanning. /rich On 11/1/05, Grace J. Agnew wrote: > Also, the sharing of information about the digitization process is also > important for collaborative preservation--particularly to > collaboratively address digital format obsolescence, etc. When the > library world collaborates to set digitization standards, our intent is > to insure usability for future generations, through transcoding, > encapsulating, etc. as formats and technologies change. I wonder where > Google sees itself in terms of collaborative preservation? > > Grace Agnew > > Roy Tennant wrote: > > > Not to belabor this, but a final clarification of my intent since I > > phrased it poorly. Perry is correct, that to see the public domain > > material from the University of Michigan we won't need to go through > > Google. But I was trying to speak more about Google's intent. If > > Google truly wanted only the public good, then there would be no > > reason to be secretive -- in fact there would be some very good > > reasons to be completely open about how they are accomplishing this > > technical feat. But Google wants content to get eyeballs, and > > therefore more advertising revenue. Therefore, they have little or no > > interest in making information about how they are doing things > > available to the rest of us. This has nothing to do with the > > University of Michigan, but it has a great deal to do with Google. > > Roy > > > > On Oct 28, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Perry Willett wrote: > > > >> And to respond to Mark's comments: they're not Google's > >> scanned books, they're ours. These are our collections, and > >> we take curatorial responsibility for both the print and > >> digital versions. If people want to use Google Print, > >> that's fine. Roy's point was that he thought that people > >> would be forced to use Google to see these books, and > >> that's just not true. > >> > >> Perry > >> > >> Perry Willett > >> Head, Digital Library Production Service > >> 300 Hatcher North > >> University of Michigan > >> Ann Arbor MI 48109-1205 > >> Ph: 734-764-8074 > >> Fax: 734-647-6897 > >> Email: pwillett@umich.edu > >> > >> > >> > >>> Perry, > >>> > >>> Being the devil's advocate here: why would I go to the U. > >>> Michigan website to look for Google's scanned books when > >>> I could go to Google's website and get the "internet" as > >>> well as scanned in books from other universities? It > >>> might be useful for U. Michigan faculty staff and students > >>> to search the scanned books from U. Michigan but not the > >>> rest of the world. > >>> > >>> - Mark > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web4lib mailing list > >> Web4lib@webjunction.org > >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > -- > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Grace Agnew > Associate University Librarian for Digital Library Systems > Rutgers University Libraries > 47 Davidson Road Piscataway, NJ 08854 > 732/445-5908 > gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu > > /Better research, better papers, better grades! Try Searchpath > , our new online information > literacy tutorial./ > http://searchpath.libraries.rutgers.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From Sandy.Bolek at cincinnatilibrary.org Tue Nov 1 11:06:18 2005 From: Sandy.Bolek at cincinnatilibrary.org (Bolek, Sandy) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:33:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Filtering Message-ID: <2432C250B342544BB93F1FAD7CFBF1D23A67FC@MAINEX1.PLCH.NET> Hello everyone Our library is starting to shop around for new filtering software. It would be very helpful if those of you using filtering would be willing to share your thoughts about the product your library is using. Have you been satisfied with it? Why or why not? Have any unexpected or particularly thorny technical issues cropped up? Thanks in advance for you help! --Sandy **************** Sandy Bolek Web Site Coordinator Public Library of Cincinnati & Hamilton County 800 Vine Street Cincinnati, OH 45202-2009 Phone (513-369-3172) Sandy.Bolek@CincinnatiLibrary.org From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Nov 1 12:33:03 2005 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:33:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> References: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> Message-ID: <20051101092236.K47312@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Kathy Gaynor wrote: > 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you put > everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some > things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? Kathy, without knowing your server hardware & software, I can say that we saved alot of time recently when we did something similar by running a separate virtual server on a port other than 80 on our web server. We copied over all of the contents/structure of our live server to this test port, did our redesign, then copied the updated site back over to live. For various reasons I chose to copy it back one subdirectory at a time, but it still took only a few minutes to make it happen when we were ready. I've been fortunate to have an intern, a card carrying MLS libn. who has come back to school to get a computer science degree. He did a thorough inventory, file by file and directory by directory for me first, which sped things up and helped me to delete a bunch of stuff that had crept in over the years. And we have a relatively modest sized site. John Creech, Systems Librarian Brooks Library, Central Washington University From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Nov 1 12:56:19 2005 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:56:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Systems Programmer Opening In-Reply-To: <0308C7DB96F7F242BB95CFF4FEA19425017A54DF@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> References: <0308C7DB96F7F242BB95CFF4FEA19425017A54DF@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <20051101095526.W47312@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> ** Cross Posted ** Library Systems Programmer ITS IV - Central Washington University. Manage library's Web services hardware, software and library network integrity in support of academic missions. Experience with Unix or Linux system administration, web services programming languages, and relational dbms. Deadline: November 28, 2005. For req app: 509-963-1202, www.cwu.edu/~hr. AA/EOE Title IX Institution. From jaf30 at cornell.edu Tue Nov 1 13:27:34 2005 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Tue Nov 1 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> References: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051101130713.0266f208@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 11:33 AM 11/1/2005, Kathy Gaynor wrote: >We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this >opportunity to reorganize our library's web site >(). We started many years ago as a web site >with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. We have >made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat haphazard >fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, let's move some >stuff out of there). It's been a few years since we did the same thing but I may be able to offer some lessons learned. In our case, not only did some of the directories accumulate lots of static html pages, but as content was added much of it ended up in the same "section" on the web site (Library Services). >So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. We >have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. "Facility >Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are rather broad >categories to my mind. We essentially did the same thing. We actually printed off screen shots of all of the pages (only the top portion of the page was really needed) and then started to reorganize them into piles. We wanted to end up with six major sections for the site which more or less matched the functional areas in the library. Each of those sections may have been broken down in to up to 8 or so subsections. When determining a directory naming scheme a deeper hierarchy with fewer files in each directory (even if it's only one index.html page) is much easier to maintain. From the main home page of the site we wanted to be able to get to any of the major sections and all of their subsections. We used Dreamweaver to create the site. The main page didn't have a template but all of the sections each had a template (with a standard color scheme). That allowed content providers to only deal with a couple of dreamweaver templates and each of the sections had it's own "images" directory. If you want to have a look at the final results it is at http://www.mannlib.cornell.edu >So here are my questions: > >1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you >put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or are >some things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? > >2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? > >Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this topic >would be much appreciated. > > >Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian >Emerson Library >Webster University >470 E. Lockwood Ave. >St. Louis, MO 63119 >(314) 961-2660 x7811 >(314) 968-7113 fax >kgaynor@webster.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From adminops at rohan.sdsu.edu Tue Nov 1 13:40:10 2005 From: adminops at rohan.sdsu.edu (AdminOps) Date: Tue Nov 1 13:40:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Position Announcement-San Diego State Library Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051101103918.01dbd708@rohan.sdsu.edu> Digital Collections Librarian The San Diego State University Library and Information Access seeks applications and nominations for an innovative, dynamic Digital Collections Librarian. The successful candidate will provide campus leadership to expand access and promote the Library?s digital collections and will also engage in broader national and international dialog about the development and use of digital collections. The Digital Collections Librarian will create, integrate and ensure access to digitized information services and resources that support teaching, learning and research; manage standards usage and compliance; convert textual, image, audio and video materials into digital form and migrate digital resources into new formats. In consultation and collaboration with the Associate Dean and the broader university community, the Digital Collections Librarian will develop policies and procedures for management of the digital intellectual output of SDSU and the digital conversion of library and archival collections. The incumbent will also perform outreach, communicating progress and successes about the library?s digital initiatives to the university and the scholarly community at large, and explore external funding opportunities for digital library projects. The individual in this position reports to the Associate Dean. Required Qualifications: ? Knowledge of current and emerging digital library technology, including preservation, databases, storage systems and web services ? Strong leadership skills, including creativity and initiative in planning and facilitating projects ? Experience with traditional and emerging metadata standards ? Knowledge of current digital library technologies, standards and best practices ? Experience with one or more major descriptive metadata standards and coding approaches for metadata mapping ? Demonstrated ability to plan, initiate, and implement effective programs, projects and services ? Excellent organizational skills with aptitude for complex analytical and detailed work ? Ability to work independently as well as collaboratively in a rapidly changing environment. ? Excellent oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills ? Demonstrated leadership skills in a collegial environment ? ALA-accredited degree or equivalent foreign degree ? Potential for meeting the requirements for tenure Preferred Qualifications: ? Active involvement in professional development activities with a record of scholarly contributions and achievements in the profession ? Experience working with faculty, staff and students ? Experience with online course management software and other relevant educational technologies ? Grant-writing experience This is a full-time, twelve-month, tenure-track faculty position. Tenure is dependent upon ongoing library service effectiveness, professional growth and development, and service to the University and the community. Rank of either Senior Assistant or Associate Librarian, with a starting salary range of $50,100 - $80,136. Excellent benefits, including 24 days vacation. San Diego State University (SDSU) is the third-largest academic institution in California and the oldest in the region. A part of the California State University system, SDSU serves an ethnically diverse student body of approximately 33,000 students. The University, a Title II research intensive university, offers bachelor?s degrees in 78 areas, master?s in 66 and joint doctorates in 16. Its mission is to provide well-balanced, high-quality education for undergraduate and graduate students, and to contribute to knowledge and the solution of problems through excellence and distinction in teaching, research and service. Additional information is available at: http://www.sdsu.edu SDSU is a Title IX, equal opportunity employer and does not discriminate against individuals on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, marital status, age, disability or veteran status, including veterans of the Vietnam era. Application packet should include a letter of application, resume, and, names, postal and e-mail addresses of 5 professional references. Electronic application packets may be e-mailed to: mdotson@mail.sdsu.edu. Print application packet may be sent to: Helen Henry Director, Administrative Operations Library and Information Access San Diego State University 5500 Campanile Drive San Diego, CA 92182-8050 Please indicate the position for which you are applying. The search committee will begin screening applications on November 28, 2005 and will remain open until filled. From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Nov 1 13:46:53 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Nov 1 13:47:03 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <007701c5df14$a1d72a60$6401a8c0@venus> > Also, the sharing of information about the digitization process is also > important for collaborative preservation--particularly to > collaboratively address digital format obsolescence, etc. When the > library world collaborates to set digitization standards, our intent is > to insure usability for future generations, through transcoding, > encapsulating, etc. as formats and technologies change. Grace's point is good, and I Am Not Defending Google. But my question would be how much HAS the library world collaborated, how quickly, and with what results. To what extent is Google Print the outcome of inaction from a profession which can be more competitive than collaborative, and which moves with all the deliberate speed of a glacier? > I wonder where > Google sees itself in terms of collaborative preservation? Google sees itself as the answer, but we are in part--maybe a very large part--responsible for that state of affairs. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From mooredp at email.uah.edu Tue Nov 1 13:52:32 2005 From: mooredp at email.uah.edu (David P. Moore) Date: Tue Nov 1 13:52:41 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Rotating video in Media Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> Does anyone know how to rotate a video in Windows Media Player? I shot some video of the library with my camera and wanted to put it on the website, but I need to turn it 90 degrees. I've seen Adobe Premiere before, but that's too complicated for me! Thanks! David P. Moore Electronic Resources/Business Librarian M. Louis Salmon Library University of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville, AL 35899 256-824-6285 FAX: 256-824-6083 david.moore@uah.edu http://lib.uah.edu From leo at leoklein.com Tue Nov 1 14:09:34 2005 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Tue Nov 1 14:09:38 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Rotating video in Media Player In-Reply-To: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> References: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> Message-ID: <4367BD6E.9010504@leoklein.com> David P. Moore wrote: > Does anyone know how to rotate a video in Windows Media Player? I shot some > video of the library with my camera and wanted to put it on the website, but > I need to turn it 90 degrees. I've seen Adobe Premiere before, but that's > too complicated for me! You can do this in Windows Movie Maker. Just drag/import the clip into a new Project Window, then drag it into the timeline. Select "Video Effects" from the Drop-down Menu (or by right-clicking on the clip). One of the Effects is "Rotate 180". This'll do the rotation. Then you've got to save it out again. Note, you'll exerience some lost in quality since you're churning the clip through the compression process a second time but the results may be acceptable. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us Tue Nov 1 15:02:44 2005 From: LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us (Scritchfield, Larry) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:02:55 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info Message-ID: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B10F2457C@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> I have concerns about physical keystroke loggers in a public environment. There was a documented case where a Kinko's in New York was used to harvest people's bank account logins. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/19/guilty_plea_in_kinkos_keystroke/ I tell my colleagues to watch for people messing around behind the computers, but there's only so much you can do. At home you have more control over the physical security, one would hope. Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:24 PM To: Karen Coyle; Alan Stewart Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info At 03:00 PM 10/27/2005, Karen Coyle wrote: >I don't see a difference in security between someone using a library >computer and that same someone using a home computer. Many many not but a lawyer might. On my home computer (and hopefully a patrons home computer) I essentially have control over what security precautions I take. I can install anti-virus software, Spam Blockers, and Spyware detection software and keep it up to date. If I used my credit card to conduct business over the web on my home computer and I'm careful where I shop I feel somewhat safe. If my identity is compromised I really have no one to blame but myself. If however, I conduct the same business on a public access computer and some sort of trojan or spyware program is running on it which ultimately result in identity theft a lawyer might see the potential for a lawsuit. Not that I agree with this but it could happen. Personally, I'd prefer beefing up the laws against those that create and propogate virsus, trojan horses, spyware, etc. and provide greater resources for thost that attempt to enforce the laws. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From daskey at ksu.edu Tue Nov 1 15:04:45 2005 From: daskey at ksu.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:04:52 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Rotating video in Media Player In-Reply-To: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> References: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> Message-ID: <4367CA5D.3030600@ksu.edu> For $30, you can get the pro version of Apple's QuickTime. I don't use it at work, but have it at home and am rather happy with it. You can rotate a clip any which way with no loss. It can do a lot of other fun things, too, of course. Dale David P. Moore wrote: > Does anyone know how to rotate a video in Windows Media Player? I shot some > video of the library with my camera and wanted to put it on the website, but > I need to turn it 90 degrees. I've seen Adobe Premiere before, but that's > too complicated for me! > > Thanks! > > David P. Moore > Electronic Resources/Business Librarian > M. Louis Salmon Library > University of Alabama in Huntsville > Huntsville, AL 35899 > 256-824-6285 > FAX: 256-824-6083 > david.moore@uah.edu > http://lib.uah.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Dale Askey Web Development Librarian KSU Libraries 118 Hale Library Manhattan, KS 66506 (785) 532-7672 From susanmd1 at lori.state.ri.us Tue Nov 1 15:22:29 2005 From: susanmd1 at lori.state.ri.us (Susan Moreland) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:22:42 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info In-Reply-To: <06DEEC80EF722C4A9F70EEAFA2E2707A1CE83B@dc01.nklibrary.internal> Message-ID: <002a01c5df21$fe589460$40225c0a@nklibrary.internal> After reading the article, it looks like the accused didn't need to do anything to the hardware, he just installed a keyboard sniffing program, gathered the information, and went with it. Is it possible that completely disabling program installation for public users on the Kinko systems would have stopped this guy? Or would he have been able to find another way around the security? Apparently, Kinko's was using software that returned the computers to their original configuration, but this was only happening once a week. Susan Moreland Assistant Director Technology/Access Services North Kingstown Free Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Scritchfield, Larry Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info I have concerns about physical keystroke loggers in a public environment. There was a documented case where a Kinko's in New York was used to harvest people's bank account logins. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/19/guilty_plea_in_kinkos_keystroke/ I tell my colleagues to watch for people messing around behind the computers, but there's only so much you can do. At home you have more control over the physical security, one would hope. Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:24 PM To: Karen Coyle; Alan Stewart Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info At 03:00 PM 10/27/2005, Karen Coyle wrote: >I don't see a difference in security between someone using a library >computer and that same someone using a home computer. Many many not but a lawyer might. On my home computer (and hopefully a patrons home computer) I essentially have control over what security precautions I take. I can install anti-virus software, Spam Blockers, and Spyware detection software and keep it up to date. If I used my credit card to conduct business over the web on my home computer and I'm careful where I shop I feel somewhat safe. If my identity is compromised I really have no one to blame but myself. If however, I conduct the same business on a public access computer and some sort of trojan or spyware program is running on it which ultimately result in identity theft a lawyer might see the potential for a lawsuit. Not that I agree with this but it could happen. Personally, I'd prefer beefing up the laws against those that create and propogate virsus, trojan horses, spyware, etc. and provide greater resources for thost that attempt to enforce the laws. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 1 15:24:57 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:25:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Scanning begins again for Google Print Libraries Message-ID: See the October 31 entry by Adam Smith in the official Google blog: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ "Tomorrow [i.e., November 1] is the day we said we'd resume scanning in-copyright works with our library partners as part of our initiative to build a card catalog of books with Google Print. We are in the process of resuming scanning (it may take a little time)..." Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From judithsviews at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 15:25:04 2005 From: judithsviews at gmail.com (Judith Van Noate) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:26:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Article on Usability on BBC website Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4393468.stm Quite an interesting article. I have just been battling it out with my new digital camera. So far the camera is winning. You can add your example. Judith Van Noate - UNC Charlotte From NorrisS2 at michigan.gov Tue Nov 1 12:56:45 2005 From: NorrisS2 at michigan.gov (Sonya Norris) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:26:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] re: reorganizing a web site Message-ID: Hi Kathy, I reorganized all the files on the server that houses an Intranet I maintain a little over two years ago while in a situation very similar to where you are now: I had just undertaken two rounds of usability testing and a re-org of the site. I was so thrilled with the results of the usability testing (yes, it really, really, really does work for those who still haven't tried it) that I based my file naming convention on the navigation scheme that resulted from the testing. The site rests behind a firewall so I can't take you there, but here's a description of what I did: The navigation scheme had three main components: For Staff, Reader Advisory and Parent Organization Info. There are seven subsections to "For Staff" and the front (sometimes only) pages for these subsections were named 1staff-countycodes.html 1staff-rolodex.html etc. Front pages in the Reader Advisory section were named 2readvsr-awards.html 2readvsr-subjects.html etc. For subsections with lots and lots of individual pages (this site as 300+ pages), I name the files for the pages based on my ability to find them grouped in alphabetical order on the server. For instance, the book lists on Westerns were titled: westernscattle.html westernschristian.html westernsgoldfever.html westernsrailroad.html etc. I use a naming convention with images and PDFs also, so they all group together and can be found easily. I'm not real big on having lots of subdirectories. I save them for complete projects that are time-sensitive. For instance, all the pages and images relating to our volunteer award luncheon were put in a folder so when that info came off the site I could delete the entire folder, no fuss, no muss, no straggling JPGs. In part this is because I work in HomeSite and I can make sweeping changes to all pages in a particular folder but not in multiple folders at the same time. Good luck! Sonya Norris Web Site Administrator Library of Michigan >>> Kathy Gaynor 11/01/05 11:33 AM >>> We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this opportunity to reorganize our library's web site (). We started many years ago as a web site with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. We have made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat haphazard fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, let's move some stuff out of there). So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. We have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. "Facility Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are rather broad categories to my mind. So here are my questions: 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do you put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some things left in the root directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this topic would be much appreciated. Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian Emerson Library Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 961-2660 x7811 (314) 968-7113 fax kgaynor@webster.edu From keachja at jmu.edu Tue Nov 1 15:25:23 2005 From: keachja at jmu.edu (Jennifer A. Keach) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:26:17 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> References: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> Message-ID: <4367CF33.1000703@jmu.edu> Kathy, We tackled file structure issues at the same time that we redesigned our site, too. We launched our new site in August 2005. When we re-organized the content that users could see, we identified four main areas of content: services, research, about us, and help. We created directories for each of these at the root level and put files there that applied to the entire library organization. Mostly, we did this to help our web authors to think of content as one of those 4 types of things. The only files at the root level for us is the main library front page and our search page. For other directories, we made some decisions based on assigning permissions. We have subwebs on the site and a web manager for each of those subwebs--mostly aligning with branches. So, we created directories for each of our subwebs so we could assign editing permissions at the subweb directory level. Under each of those subweb directories, we again mimicked the services, research, about us, and help directories. Incidentally, the user sees a unique front page for each subweb, but pages below that level are no longer visually subweb-specific, even though they live in subweb directories. Instead, we are using Contribute templates so pages share the same left-hand navigation as other pages of their type (i.e. services, research, about us, help), regardless of the subweb directory in which it lives. That way, we unified our information but still easily gave permissions for subweb managers to manage subweb-specific content. If you want similar types of content to have similar local navigation and a template won't do, you might want to group like-things in directories together and use an include file for just that directory. We use specific local navigation within subject research guides and used include files to do so, putting all the like-subject files in their own directory. All the pages that are part of the Business research guide, for instance, live in the same directory and display matching left-hand navigation from both the Contribute template (offering the "research" left-hand menu) and a local include file (offering navigation within the business pages). Doing this also helped us with permissions, since we could give each subject liaison permission to their subject area. We also looked at the length of some of the URLs and moved some files closer to the root directory to shorten them. Each subject guide directory, for instance, is at the root so they are www.lib.jmu.edu/business/ instead of www.lib.jmu.edu/research/guides/business. Within each of those directories, the subject liaison is free to arrange things as they see fit. Finally, some of our content moved into database applications. Each of those applications ended up with their own directory. That was mostly to keep URLs short and application files together. So far, our approach seems to have worked for us although some non-spectacular exceptions did creep in. If you are curious, you can read more about our redesign in the Fall 2005 issue of our library newsletter . The direct link until the next issue is published is . Good luck in your redesign! Jennifer Keach, Head of Digital Services James Madison University Libraries Kathy Gaynor wrote: > We are in the midst of a complete redesign and want to use this > opportunity to reorganize our library's web site > (). We started many years ago as a web > site with a handful of pages that we threw into the root directory. > We have made subdirectories as needed over the years in a somewhat > haphazard fashion (gee, the root directory is getting pretty long, > let's move some stuff out of there). > > So far we have looked at our content and have done a rough inventory. > We have assigned working names to groups of similar files (e.g. > "Facility Information", "Instructional Materials", etc.). These are > rather broad categories to my mind. > > So here are my questions: > > 1. How have you gone about organizing the files on your server? Do > you put everything under a subdirectory (e.g. > ../facility/hours.html)? Or are some things left in the root > directory (e.g. ../hours.html)? > > 2. How narrow do you make your subdirectories (categories)? > > Any advice, war stories, etc. that you could offer related to this > topic would be much appreciated. > > > Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian > Emerson Library > Webster University > 470 E. Lockwood Ave. > St. Louis, MO 63119 > (314) 961-2660 x7811 > (314) 968-7113 fax > kgaynor@webster.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us Tue Nov 1 15:46:27 2005 From: LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us (Scritchfield, Larry) Date: Tue Nov 1 15:46:35 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info Message-ID: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B10F2457E@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> I'm afraid I mixed apples with oranges. The example I cited was indeed one of software key logging. It's harder to guard against hardware keyloggers with software solutions. e.g. http://www.lakeshoretechnology.com/KeyKatcherG.asp Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Susan Moreland Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:22 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info After reading the article, it looks like the accused didn't need to do anything to the hardware, he just installed a keyboard sniffing program, gathered the information, and went with it. Is it possible that completely disabling program installation for public users on the Kinko systems would have stopped this guy? Or would he have been able to find another way around the security? Apparently, Kinko's was using software that returned the computers to their original configuration, but this was only happening once a week. Susan Moreland Assistant Director Technology/Access Services North Kingstown Free Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Scritchfield, Larry Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info I have concerns about physical keystroke loggers in a public environment. There was a documented case where a Kinko's in New York was used to harvest people's bank account logins. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/19/guilty_plea_in_kinkos_keystroke/ I tell my colleagues to watch for people messing around behind the computers, but there's only so much you can do. At home you have more control over the physical security, one would hope. Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:24 PM To: Karen Coyle; Alan Stewart Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info At 03:00 PM 10/27/2005, Karen Coyle wrote: >I don't see a difference in security between someone using a library >computer and that same someone using a home computer. Many many not but a lawyer might. On my home computer (and hopefully a patrons home computer) I essentially have control over what security precautions I take. I can install anti-virus software, Spam Blockers, and Spyware detection software and keep it up to date. If I used my credit card to conduct business over the web on my home computer and I'm careful where I shop I feel somewhat safe. If my identity is compromised I really have no one to blame but myself. If however, I conduct the same business on a public access computer and some sort of trojan or spyware program is running on it which ultimately result in identity theft a lawyer might see the potential for a lawsuit. Not that I agree with this but it could happen. Personally, I'd prefer beefing up the laws against those that create and propogate virsus, trojan horses, spyware, etc. and provide greater resources for thost that attempt to enforce the laws. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Nov 1 16:05:53 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:06:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Scanning begins again for Google Print Libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c5df28$0c184450$6401a8c0@venus> > "Tomorrow [i.e., November 1] is the day we said we'd resume scanning > in-copyright works with our library partners as part of our initiative > to build a card catalog of books with Google Print. We are in the > process of resuming scanning (it may take a little time)..." "Card catalog?" :) Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From MJEAN.WILLIAMSADAMS at famu.edu Tue Nov 1 16:06:05 2005 From: MJEAN.WILLIAMSADAMS at famu.edu (MJEAN.WILLIAMSADAMS) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:07:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] USB Key Usage Message-ID: Our library is encountering numerous problems with the use of USB flash drives. MS XP OS is installed on all the computers in the public areas and when the students insert their drives, some of the computers will automatically restart,( several times). This is not good, because students will insert the drives to save their documents to after they have typed themcompletely, when the flash drive is inserted in the computer it will restart, loosing the students document. What have you encountered with this problem and how did you resolve it? Any work arounds? Fortres settings to correct this problem? By the way, we are also using Fortres software as a security measure in conjunction with the MS XP operating system and the DELL GX270/280 series computers. M Jean Williams Adams Systems Librarian Coleman Memorial Library Florida A&M University Tallahassee, FL 32307-4700 Phone: (850) 561-2131 Fax: (850) 561-2599 From gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 1 17:24:08 2005 From: gagnew at rci.rutgers.edu (Grace J. Agnew) Date: Tue Nov 1 17:24:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: <007701c5df14$a1d72a60$6401a8c0@venus> References: <007701c5df14$a1d72a60$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <4367EB08.40107@rci.rutgers.edu> Karen, I wouldn't disagree that the library world is not always collaborative. In the case of preservation, I think our failure to move forward rapidly is less an issue of competition than an issue that no one really knows what it will require to make digital resources we create today available 10 years from now, much less 50-200. There are so many variables--format of the resource, user applications, technical platforms. Nobody expects the web itself to be around in its current form in 10-20 years, for example, so how do we "future proof" web-based resources? I think we are making a start by trying to develop some standard metadata data elements and schemas that at least describe what we have done, as a first step that will hopefully be somewhat "future proof." Google seems both collaboration averse and metadata averse. I think they are brilliant in their efforts to be intuitive and user friendly, but I don't have a sense that they share the commitment of the library and museum world to longevity or to future uses of information that might outlast the existence of Google itself. After all, libraries and museums to date generally have had a longevity that few corporations can count upon. Our business models generally incorporate longevity. Most corporations do not. Once a corporation goes public, their ultimate audience is generally the shareholder, not future generations of users. Grace K.G. Schneider wrote: >>Also, the sharing of information about the digitization process is also >>important for collaborative preservation--particularly to >>collaboratively address digital format obsolescence, etc. When the >>library world collaborates to set digitization standards, our intent is >>to insure usability for future generations, through transcoding, >>encapsulating, etc. as formats and technologies change. >> >> > >Grace's point is good, and I Am Not Defending Google. But my question would >be how much HAS the library world collaborated, how quickly, and with what >results. To what extent is Google Print the outcome of inaction from a >profession which can be more competitive than collaborative, and which moves >with all the deliberate speed of a glacier? > > > >>I wonder where >>Google sees itself in terms of collaborative preservation? >> >> > >Google sees itself as the answer, but we are in part--maybe a very large >part--responsible for that state of affairs. > >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- ____________________________________________________________ Grace Agnew Associate University Librarian for Digital Library Systems Rutgers University Libraries 47 Davidson Road Piscataway, NJ 08854 732/445-5908 gagnew@rci.rutgers.edu /Better research, better papers, better grades! Try Searchpath , our new online information literacy tutorial./ http://searchpath.libraries.rutgers.edu From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 19:37:01 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:37:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] reorganizing a web site In-Reply-To: <4367CF33.1000703@jmu.edu> References: <6.1.0.6.1.20051101102304.019c91a0@pop.webster.edu> <4367CF33.1000703@jmu.edu> Message-ID: Total site redesigns often mean total link rot: the site team chooses a new naming convention, and instantly obsoletes hundreds or thousands of URLs the instant the new site goes live. This can be avoided. When Michigan State University reorganized our main Web presence, www.msu.edu, a couple of years ago, we kept the old site online, and built a smart Error 404 handler that traverses the old site to see if any given URL works for the old path. The goal was zero link rot. Users specifying an old URL had to make one more click, but they could still find the old pages -- and they were notified that the page they sought could be obsolete. We're now in the midst of another site redesign, so we will likely drop the old site, but I expect we will follow a similar process. /rich From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 1 19:54:57 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:55:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Scanning begins again for Google Print Libraries Message-ID: A followup to my earlier note, from Gary Price: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/051101-170412 Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Sloan, Bernie Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:25 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Scanning begins again for Google Print Libraries See the October 31 entry by Adam Smith in the official Google blog: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ "Tomorrow [i.e., November 1] is the day we said we'd resume scanning in-copyright works with our library partners as part of our initiative to build a card catalog of books with Google Print. We are in the process of resuming scanning (it may take a little time)..." Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 19:56:05 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:56:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info In-Reply-To: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B10F2457E@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> References: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B10F2457E@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> Message-ID: Quote: It's harder to guard against hardware keyloggers with software solutions. /Quote I'm not sure it's even possible; the device is external to the PC and invisible to the operating system. How might software guard against this? Despite the impossibility of guaranteeing patrons that a public terminal won't be snooped or Patrioted, I think cautions should be couched in terms of "there may be a risk" instead of "don't use this terminal for any commercial transactions." Any responsible merchant or government agency will use SSL for encrypting the transactions. In my opinion the benefits of bridging the digital divide for those who lack computers or ready Internet access outweigh the relatively small risk that transactions might be intercepted. I think the library is wise to advise that they can't guarantee perfect privacy, but neither can a fax machine, a photocopier, a pay phone, a prepaid cell phone, or a US mail drop. Absent a keystroke logger or J. Edgar Hoover invasion of the computer, I would trust a public library's public terminal far more than I'd trust a computer at a coffee shop or a coin operated terminal at a hostel (hostile?) location. /rich On 11/1/05, Scritchfield, Larry wrote: > I'm afraid I mixed apples with oranges. > > The example I cited was indeed one of software key logging. > > It's harder to guard against hardware keyloggers with software solutions. > > e.g. http://www.lakeshoretechnology.com/KeyKatcherG.asp > > Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us > Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 > Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Susan Moreland > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:22 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info > > > After reading the article, it looks like the accused didn't need to do > anything to the hardware, he just installed a keyboard sniffing program, > gathered the information, and went with it. > > Is it possible that completely disabling program installation for public > users on the Kinko systems would have stopped this guy? Or would he have > been able to find another way around the security? Apparently, Kinko's was > using software that returned the computers to their original configuration, > but this was only happening once a week. > > Susan Moreland > Assistant Director Technology/Access Services > North Kingstown Free Library > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Scritchfield, Larry > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:03 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info > > I have concerns about physical keystroke loggers in a public environment. > There was a documented case where a Kinko's in New York was used to harvest > people's bank account logins. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/19/guilty_plea_in_kinkos_keystroke/ > > I tell my colleagues to watch for people messing around behind the > computers, but there's only so much you can do. At home you have more > control over the physical security, one would hope. > > Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us > Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 > Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Fereira > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:24 PM > To: Karen Coyle; Alan Stewart > Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Public computers & security of personal info > > > At 03:00 PM 10/27/2005, Karen Coyle wrote: > >I don't see a difference in security between someone using a library > >computer and that same someone using a home computer. > > Many many not but a lawyer might. On my home computer (and hopefully a > patrons home computer) I essentially have control over what security > precautions I take. I can install anti-virus software, Spam > Blockers, and Spyware detection software and keep it up to date. If I used > my credit card to conduct business over the web on my home computer and I'm > careful where I shop I feel somewhat safe. If my identity is compromised I > really have no one to blame but myself. If however, I conduct the same > business on a public access computer and some sort of trojan or spyware > program is running on it which ultimately result in identity theft a lawyer > might see the potential for a lawsuit. Not that I agree with this but it > could happen. Personally, I'd prefer beefing up the laws against those > that create and propogate virsus, trojan horses, spyware, etc. and provide > greater resources for thost that attempt to enforce the laws. > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From afifarek at scottsdaleaz.gov Tue Nov 1 19:59:54 2005 From: afifarek at scottsdaleaz.gov (Fifarek, Aimee) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:00:02 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Library Blogs for Staff Communication Message-ID: Do any of the public library folks out there have in-house blogs for staff communication? We're thinking of starting one up, but would like to get a handle issues that may have come up (blogs and public records logs, staff stuff becoming public, hosted vs. in house, etc.). If you have had experience with this -- positive or negative -- please let me know. Thanks! Aimee Aimee Fifarek Library Technology Supervisor Scottsdale Public Library 3839 N. Drinkwater Blvd. Scottsdale, AZ 85251-4467 Tel: 480/312-7060 Fax: 480/312-7993 afifarek@scottsdaleaz.gov From nick.dobbing at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:08:58 2005 From: nick.dobbing at gmail.com (Nick Dobbing) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:09:11 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Rotating video in Media Player In-Reply-To: <036c01c5df15$6dbc2040$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> Message-ID: <000701c5df4a$015dddf0$6500a8c0@myDesktop> David, try this: http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+I+rotate+video+with+windows+media+play er%3F BTW, I am not a librarian. It took me fifteen seconds to find the answer to your question. There's a discussion in there somewhere, I think. Regards, Nick Dobbing Vancouver, BC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of David P. Moore Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:53 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Rotating video in Media Player Does anyone know how to rotate a video in Windows Media Player? I shot some video of the library with my camera and wanted to put it on the website, but I need to turn it 90 degrees. I've seen Adobe Premiere before, but that's too complicated for me! Thanks! David P. Moore Electronic Resources/Business Librarian M. Louis Salmon Library University of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville, AL 35899 256-824-6285 FAX: 256-824-6083 david.moore@uah.edu http://lib.uah.edu From lars at aronsson.se Tue Nov 1 20:25:50 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:26:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: References: <004401c5dbf0$56d43930$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: Richard Wiggins wrote: > Indeed, someone in the audience during a panel discussion on > Google Print at the recent Internet Librarian conference raised > a related concern: What happens when libraries participating in > the project begin to feel shelf space pressures? I asked if he > was concerned a la NIcholson Baker w/r/t libraries shedding > newspaper collections after they are microfilmed or digitized. > He said that was exactly his concern. Sorry, I don't follow. How would this "shelf space pressure" relate to Google's activities? Should we burn Google now so that libraries are forced to keep everything? Or should Google hurry up to scan everything before these crazy libraries throw it away? By the way, libraries that are concerned with Google's secrecy should become role models by joining the Open Content Alliance, or by unilaterally adopting similar principles of openness. There are far too many libraries (especially in Europe) who don't allow free copying of the out-of-copyright books that they have digitized. Useful high resolution scanned images and OCR texts are all too often hidden behind web designs that are hard to use. If everybody went open, we wouldn't see closed-minded declarations such as http://gallica.bnf.fr/les_droits.htm -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:53:39 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:53:43 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: References: <004401c5dbf0$56d43930$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: I remind you, sir, that at the same conference I spoke in favor of the Google Print project. I merely reported what a concerned attendee asked. You are free to respond to his legitimate concern, or over-dramatize your response, at your pleasure. /rich On 11/1/05, Lars Aronsson wrote: > Richard Wiggins wrote: > > > Indeed, someone in the audience during a panel discussion on > > Google Print at the recent Internet Librarian conference raised > > a related concern: What happens when libraries participating in > > the project begin to feel shelf space pressures? I asked if he > > was concerned a la NIcholson Baker w/r/t libraries shedding > > newspaper collections after they are microfilmed or digitized. > > He said that was exactly his concern. > > Sorry, I don't follow. How would this "shelf space pressure" > relate to Google's activities? Should we burn Google now so that > libraries are forced to keep everything? Or should Google hurry > up to scan everything before these crazy libraries throw it away? > > By the way, libraries that are concerned with Google's secrecy > should become role models by joining the Open Content Alliance, or > by unilaterally adopting similar principles of openness. There > are far too many libraries (especially in Europe) who don't allow > free copying of the out-of-copyright books that they have > digitized. Useful high resolution scanned images and OCR texts > are all too often hidden behind web designs that are hard to use. > > If everybody went open, we wouldn't see closed-minded declarations > such as http://gallica.bnf.fr/les_droits.htm > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) > Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Tue Nov 1 21:47:51 2005 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Tue Nov 1 21:48:24 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Re: RE: More on the Open Content Alliance In-Reply-To: References: <004401c5dbf0$56d43930$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> <46BA92A1-38FD-4331-B2E7-57877A9AECA7@ucop.edu> <4367A2CC.9080702@rci.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <436828D7.8000509@kcoyle.net> Lars Aronsson wrote: >If everybody went open, we wouldn't see closed-minded declarations >such as http://gallica.bnf.fr/les_droits.htm > > I'm not sure that joining the OCA would greatly change the BNF's rights declaration. The BNF is making the same mistake that many US libraries do, which is that it is declaring to hold rights in the digital copies of public domain works. Essentially, they are protecting their investment (or their behinds, if they fear lawsuits). Note that the OCA has not yet made a clear statement of rights relating to their works -- possibly because they don't really have anything up yet -- but say this, which leaves some ambiguity: "What can people do with materials contained in the OCA archive? The OCA will encourage the greatest possible degree of access to and reuse of collections in the archive, while respecting the rights of content owners and contributors. Generally, textual material will be free to read, and in most cases, available for saving or printing using formats such as PDF. Contributors to the OCA will determine the appropriate level of access to their content." http://www.opencontentalliance.org/faq.html We'll see if they correctly label the public domain works as public domain, and don't put any usage restrictions on them. kc -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From janetadeniji at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 06:09:56 2005 From: janetadeniji at yahoo.com (Janet Adeniji) Date: Wed Nov 2 06:09:59 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Re:Public library blogs for staff communication Message-ID: <20051102110956.13825.qmail@web60125.mail.yahoo.com> It is a good idea to start blogd for staff communication. It will help th staff to communication well and know what is happening in their environment. Janet --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 2 10:29:15 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:29:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 5:13 available Message-ID: A special Mid-Fall 2005 issue of Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large is now available for downloading at http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ5i13.pdf [Individual articles may be downloaded as HTML from the C&I home page, http://cites.boisestate.edu, but the longer essay in this special issue takes at least as many page to print as HTML as the entire issue does as PDF...and is nowhere near as readable that way.] Two Perspectives make up this special issue: * Life Trumps Blogging - a pro-blogging essay about, well, real life and blogging. * Library Futures, Media Futures - an extended set of comments and e-conversations including my comments on Blake Carver's "Where do we fit in?" essay, a four-way set of conversations about library futures, and various other stuff. From clintonhlowery at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 10:38:00 2005 From: clintonhlowery at yahoo.com (Clinton Lowery) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:38:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051102153800.34454.qmail@web60421.mail.yahoo.com> Recently I attended a workshop on emerging technologies and the presenter discussed the possibility of using Google's 'site: ' capability to search one's own site. Has anyone else utilized this method? I've seen a few 'Powered by Google' searches on different corporate websites, but has a library constructed one? And while paying homage to G may be necessary, is it free? Any help or advice is appreciated. Thanks, Clinton Clinton Lowery, Librarian Integrated Library Systems Jacksonville Public Library 122 N. Ocean St. Jacksonville, FL 32202 (904) 630-1702 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From mattgrayson at utmem.edu Wed Nov 2 10:56:11 2005 From: mattgrayson at utmem.edu (Matt Grayson) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:56:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability In-Reply-To: <20051102153800.34454.qmail@web60421.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051102153800.34454.qmail@web60421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've used that method several times for sites I've administered. It's quick, easy and free as in beer. One possible drawback is that users are sent to Google for the search results instead of viewing results within the context of the rest of your site, which may confuse some users. Another option there is to use the Google API to display search results on your site directly; although, this method is a bit more complex to setup. matt On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Clinton Lowery wrote: > Recently I attended a workshop on emerging > technologies and the presenter discussed the > possibility of using Google's 'site: > ' capability to search one's own site. > > Has anyone else utilized this method? I've seen a few > 'Powered by Google' searches on different corporate > websites, but has a library constructed one? And > while paying homage to G may be necessary, is it free? > > Any help or advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Clinton > > Clinton Lowery, Librarian > Integrated Library Systems > Jacksonville Public Library > 122 N. Ocean St. > Jacksonville, FL 32202 > (904) 630-1702 > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- Matt Grayson ------------------------------------------------------ Web Services Librarian UTHSC Health Sciences Library ------------------------------------------------------ Email: mattgrayson@utmem.edu Web: http://library.utmem.edu/ <>< From campbell at virginia.edu Wed Nov 2 11:01:34 2005 From: campbell at virginia.edu (Jim Campbell) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:01:17 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability In-Reply-To: <20051102153800.34454.qmail@web60421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051102160111.45B381BFE2@fork3.mail.virginia.edu> Google offers what they call the Public Service Search free to non-profits. See https://services.google.com/publicservice/login - Jim Campbell Campbell@Virginia.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Clinton Lowery > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:38 AM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability > > Recently I attended a workshop on emerging technologies and > the presenter discussed the possibility of using Google's > 'site: ' capability to search one's own site. > > Has anyone else utilized this method? I've seen a few > 'Powered by Google' searches on different corporate websites, > but has a library constructed one? And while paying homage > to G may be necessary, is it free? > > Any help or advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Clinton > > Clinton Lowery, Librarian > Integrated Library Systems > Jacksonville Public Library > 122 N. Ocean St. > Jacksonville, FL 32202 > (904) 630-1702 > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 2 11:09:44 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:09:58 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c5dfc7$d8a009a0$6401a8c0@venus> > I've used that method several times for sites I've administered. It's > quick, easy and free as in beer. One possible drawback is that users > are sent to Google for the search results instead of viewing results > within the context of the rest of your site, which may confuse some > users. Another option there is to use the Google API to display > search results on your site directly; although, this method is a bit > more complex to setup. It's certainly better than no search, and also better than some search tools you could use. Google doesn't seem to mind (nor could they do much). In addition to the problems above, you may have search needs on your site that are not well met by Google, which is designed for full-text search and follows the search-uber-alles paradigm. The Google mini-appliance could at least allow you to load synonyms so those flat files on your website could be found by the widest terms available--e.g. check-out versus "circulation." It's supposedly quite easy to implement. See its features here: http://www.google.com/enterprise/mini/administrator_features.html But it's not the only fish in the sea. It sounds as if site search for your website is something to budget and plan for. There are several vendor products (Thunderstone, Verity, and Google) and several other non-commercial products of varying complexity and/or limitations. The vendor products all seem to offer easy administration and search analyses--things useful for justifying the site itself. Just a thought. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From nick.dobbing at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 11:16:46 2005 From: nick.dobbing at gmail.com (Nick Dobbing) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:17:10 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability In-Reply-To: <20051102160111.45B381BFE2@fork3.mail.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <000301c5dfc8$d3696480$6500a8c0@myDesktop> I implemented Google's public service search at the University of Guelph library, and it has worked well. You can customize the search results template with HTML for your headers and footers, and you can use your own style sheet, so it can be made to look very much like part of your site. The results page is still Google-branded, but quite modestly. To see it in action, try the "site search" on this page: http://www.lib.uoguelph.ca/search/ Nick Dobbing Vancouver, BC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jim Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:02 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability Google offers what they call the Public Service Search free to non-profits. See https://services.google.com/publicservice/login - Jim Campbell Campbell@Virginia.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Clinton Lowery > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:38 AM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability > > Recently I attended a workshop on emerging technologies and the > presenter discussed the possibility of using Google's 'site: name> ' capability to search one's own site. From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Nov 2 11:56:47 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:57:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability Message-ID: Just wanted to point out that if you go this route there's an ad/link for Google Scholar at the bottom of the first results page: "Find academic research papers with Google Scholar". Not saying that's necessarily bad or good, I just have heard some people complain about it. Something to be aware of. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Nick Dobbing Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:17 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability I implemented Google's public service search at the University of Guelph library, and it has worked well. You can customize the search results template with HTML for your headers and footers, and you can use your own style sheet, so it can be made to look very much like part of your site. The results page is still Google-branded, but quite modestly. To see it in action, try the "site search" on this page: http://www.lib.uoguelph.ca/search/ Nick Dobbing Vancouver, BC -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jim Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:02 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability Google offers what they call the Public Service Search free to non-profits. See https://services.google.com/publicservice/login - Jim Campbell Campbell@Virginia.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Clinton Lowery > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:38 AM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] Creating a Google-based site search capability > > Recently I attended a workshop on emerging technologies and the > presenter discussed the possibility of using Google's 'site: name> ' capability to search one's own site. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From morville at semanticstudios.com Wed Nov 2 12:48:55 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:49:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? Message-ID: Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous Computing and the Internet http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Wed Nov 2 13:38:17 2005 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed Nov 2 13:38:51 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> I think that this statement is not true: "The collections of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, Stanford University, the New York Public Library, and Oxford University will be accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere. This is amazing. The world?s greatest works of art, history, science, engineering, law, and literature are about to join the public Web. " The collections are not joining the web, and the collections are not accessible. You can do *discovery* through Google, but good luck borrowing the book. Public Domain items may be available in their entirety, but in a very degraded form for using or reading. Remember, Google is creating an index, not e-books, and not a library. kc Peter Morville wrote: >Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: > > Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous >Computing and the Internet > http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml > >I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! > > >Peter Morville >President, Semantic Studios >http://semanticstudios.com >http://findability.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From gerrymck at iastate.edu Wed Nov 2 13:50:12 2005 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed Nov 2 13:50:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Scholarly Tagging Projects and Initiatives? Message-ID: *** Apologies for Receipt of Duplicate Postings*** Scholarly Tagging Projects and Initiatives? Colleagues/ I am greatly interested in Any and All current or planned initiatives that involve the Folksonomic Tagging of **Scholarly** articles, preprints, manuscripts, documents, or Other Publications by **Readers**. As defined by Wikipedia, "Folksonomy is a neologism for a practice of collaborative categorization using freely chosen keywords. More colloquially, this refers to a group of people cooperating spontaneously to organize information into categories, typically using categories or tags on pages, or semantic links with types that evolve without much central control." [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folksonomy ] The inspiration for my query is the ColLib project [ http://collib.info/ ] - "the collaborative platform for organizing Open Access materials in Library & Information Science (LIS)" developed by Magnus Enger. As noted, "colLib harvests metadata-records from OAI-PMH-compliant repositories and enables manual 'tagging' of these records to cluster them by subject or other meaningful categories. Tags are represented by pages in a wiki, that can be annotated with links to related tags, external links and any other text deemed relevant." [WOW: A WIKI! ]:-) And Yes, I am aware of Connotea [ http://www.connotea.org ] [http://www.connotea.org/about ] BTW: I highly recommend a Most Interesting Article "Social Terminology Enhancement through Vernacular Engagement Exploring Collaborative Annotation to Encourage Interaction with Museum Collections" by David Bearman and Jennifer Trant from the September 2005 issue of _D-Lib Magazine_ [ http://www.dlib.org/dlib/september05/bearman/09bearman.html ] Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From morville at semanticstudios.com Wed Nov 2 14:08:42 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:09:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> Message-ID: That's a good clarification Karen. Of course, providing access to degraded (but readable) versions of public domain items will be a wonderful cultural contribution. For many people around the world, this will be much better than nothing. Also, I'm optimistic that copyright law and the publishing industry's business models will evolve in a positive direction. So, in the long run, I expect the line between index and library to blur. Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:38 PM To: Peter Morville Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? I think that this statement is not true: "The collections of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, Stanford University, the New York Public Library, and Oxford University will be accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere. This is amazing. The world's greatest works of art, history, science, engineering, law, and literature are about to join the public Web. " The collections are not joining the web, and the collections are not accessible. You can do *discovery* through Google, but good luck borrowing the book. Public Domain items may be available in their entirety, but in a very degraded form for using or reading. Remember, Google is creating an index, not e-books, and not a library. kc Peter Morville wrote: >Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: > > Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous >Computing and the Internet > http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml > >I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! > > >Peter Morville >President, Semantic Studios >http://semanticstudios.com >http://findability.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From gerrymck at iastate.edu Wed Nov 2 16:01:17 2005 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed Nov 2 16:24:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "Implementing Podcasting in the Classroom" Web Conference Message-ID: *** Apologies for Receipt of Duplicate Postings*** Colleagues/ **Coming to a Theater Near You [?] {;-) ** "Implementing Podcasting in the Classroom" Web Conference [ https://www.academicimpressions.com/web_conferences/1105_podcasting.php ] BTW-2 For background information and examples of the Purdue podcasting initiative see [ http://news.uns.purdue.edu/hp/Gay.boilercast.html ] BoilerCast [ http://boilercast.itap.purdue.edu:1013/Boilercast/ ] Includes a Library Audio Tour !!! (see bottom of the BoilerCast list of Purdue podcasts) Thanks (again) to my colleague Sean Cordes for notifying me about this Webinar ! Regards, /Gerry Podcasting" seems to be as popular a buzzword today as "mp3" was in 1999 when it became the number one search word on the internet. However, just as in 1999, many still do not know what this new technology is or how to take full advantage of it in an academic setting. The Implementing Podcasting in the Classroom web conference will examine how existing technology infrastructure can be used in conjunction with podcasting technology to reach students in new and meaningful ways. Join us to examine a fully-deployed classroom podcasting program and explore how this new technology could be deployed on your campus. Who Should Attend: This event is designed to demonstrate how to effectively implement a podcasting program to technology administrators desiring specific details on existing implementations in classroom settings. This includes vice presidents of instructional technology and chief information officers deciding on how to best implement a new podcasting program, distance learning support staff, library technology administrators, and audio-visual and multimedia support staff. Program Agenda: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:00 - 2:30 p.m. EST Online Presentation The Pursuit of a Digital Storage System Podcasting as a Valuable Educational Application How Podcasting Works XML Technology RSS Technology New Podcasting Service Conceived The Approach The Implementation Operation of the Service The Public Interface Results Other Options for Institutions Considering Podcasting Examples of Other Institutional Implementations Alternative Approaches to Implementation Suggestions for Budget Restrictive Situations -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instructor: Michael Gay, Manager of Broadcast Networks & Services for Information Technology, Purdue University Michael Gay currently serves as Manager of Broadcast Networks & Services for Information Technology at Purdue University (ITaP). The scope of this position has included oversight of advanced classroom technology, broadcast video and audio services, videoconferencing, Internet streaming, fiber-optic video services, satellite broadcast services, and distance learning facility design/integration. Michael has a BS in Electrical Engineering Technology from Purdue University specializing in embedded microcontroller and embedded digital signal processing system design, and project management. Before his work at Purdue, Michael worked as a radio broadcast engineering consultant specializing in studio design and construction and high power RF installations. From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Wed Nov 2 18:22:08 2005 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:22:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43694A20.7080905@kcoyle.net> Peter, the line between an index and a library may blur in terms of law, but there's a big difference in terms of usability, and I think that's something that we are glossing over when we use the term "digitize." There are lots of ways to digitize a text, from the Project Gutenberg "plain ASCII," to a photograph of the page in TIFF format, to a DAISY-conformant digital audio and text file, to a TEI-encoded format of the text, to Mobipocket format, etc. Each of these has its own "affordances" and no one of them is the perfect format for everything we want to do with a text. Project Gutenberg has over 10,000 public domain texts in a machine-readable form and available for free over the Internet. I would like to think that this has made a big difference in some people's lives, but I'm not sure that's the case. We need to understand what we can do to promote *reading*, not just searching and downloading. I'm pretty sure that putting lots of public domain text on the Internet for free is not in itself going to cause the revolution that folks like Michael Hart and Brewster Kahle are hoping for. There's a huge social and individual element that we have not addressed. Compared to the technology questions, these more human questions are many times more difficult. But if we don't solve them, then the technology is just turning out more copies to be stored on more machines, without enriching the lives of people. kc Peter Morville wrote: >That's a good clarification Karen. Of course, providing access to degraded >(but readable) versions of public domain items will be a wonderful cultural >contribution. For many people around the world, this will be much better >than nothing. Also, I'm optimistic that copyright law and the publishing >industry's business models will evolve in a positive direction. So, in the >long run, I expect the line between index and library to blur. > > >Peter Morville >President, Semantic Studios >http://semanticstudios.com >http://findability.org > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle >Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:38 PM >To: Peter Morville >Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? > >I think that this statement is not true: > >"The collections of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, >Stanford University, the New York Public Library, and Oxford University >will be accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere. This is amazing. The >world's greatest works of art, history, science, engineering, law, and >literature are about to join the public Web. " > >The collections are not joining the web, and the collections are not >accessible. You can do *discovery* through Google, but good luck >borrowing the book. Public Domain items may be available in their >entirety, but in a very degraded form for using or reading. Remember, >Google is creating an index, not e-books, and not a library. > >kc > >Peter Morville wrote: > > > >>Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: >> >> Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous >>Computing and the Internet >> http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml >> >>I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! >> >> >>Peter Morville >>President, Semantic Studios >>http://semanticstudios.com >>http://findability.org >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Web4lib mailing list >>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From jdunck at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 18:32:25 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:32:28 2005 Subject: Fwd: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <2545a92c0511021531p17d7388u9bd5eb8c6fa765a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <43694A20.7080905@kcoyle.net> <2545a92c0511021531p17d7388u9bd5eb8c6fa765a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511021532m7775fb82o82556cd7ee549abb@mail.gmail.com> FYI.. I always forget to reply to all. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeremy Dunck Date: Nov 2, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? To: Karen Coyle On 11/2/05, Karen Coyle wrote: > I'm > pretty sure that putting lots of public domain text on the Internet for > free is not in itself going to cause the revolution that folks like > Michael Hart and Brewster Kahle are hoping for. There's a huge social > and individual element that we have not addressed. Compared to the > technology questions, these more human questions are many times more > difficult. But if we don't solve them, then the technology is just > turning out more copies to be stored on more machines, without enriching > the lives of people. Before the press, very few knew how to read, since there was little point; the priests interpreted the Books. It is not much changed in some places in the world. Having drawn words available makes it more likely that people's interest in them will awaken. If the worst that happens is a few unused bits on our net, I'm OK with that. :) From bjorseth at nsls.info Wed Nov 2 18:58:49 2005 From: bjorseth at nsls.info (helene bjorseth) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:51:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Message-ID: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Hi. We are having a problem with patrons who are bypassing our Internet computer reservaton system. They are logging into a computer and then unplugging the network cable. This disconnects them from the time management server. They then reboot the machine and reattach the cable after it boots up. They can then sit all day and the clock that times the machine is frozen (on the server) at the moment they unplugged the cable. They usually do it when there is 8 or 10 minutes left in their session so it is not really obvious. Our policy is to extend extra time if there is no one waiting, so it is not unusual to see several computers with 10 or so minutes left on the clock. If we catch them they insist that "the clock just disappeared" and they didn't do anything to cause the malfunction. My question is - Does anyone know of a security device that will make an audible alert if the network cable is unplugged - or a device that will make it impossible to re-connect to the network for 10 or 15 minutes? Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? -- Helene Bjorseth Electronic Resources / Reference Librarian Highland Park Public Library 494 Laurel Ave. Highland Park, IL 60035 847-432-0216 From ChenS at scc.losrios.edu Wed Nov 2 21:42:15 2005 From: ChenS at scc.losrios.edu (Chen, Shu Sue) Date: Wed Nov 2 21:42:08 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google site search -- search a directory??? Message-ID: <3F12565032E83F438A212C4658DCFFB502D39CD4@SCC-EXCH01.scc.ad.losrios.edu> Hi All, Our library's homepage is in a directory on our college's web server. (http://www.scc.losrios.edu/~library/ ) I would like to have the Google search tool search only this directory instead of the whole server, but was not able to do it. Was anybody able to make it work that way? Thanks. -Sue ------------- Sue Chen Public Service Librarian Sacramento City College Library (916) 650-2760 From calumet at mindspring.com Wed Nov 2 21:46:10 2005 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed Nov 2 21:46:25 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google site search -- search a directory??? In-Reply-To: <3F12565032E83F438A212C4658DCFFB502D39CD4@SCC-EXCH01.scc.ad .losrios.edu> References: <3F12565032E83F438A212C4658DCFFB502D39CD4@SCC-EXCH01.scc.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051102214520.039b1ba8@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:42 PM 11/2/2005, Chen, Shu Sue wrote: >content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > >Hi All, >Our library's homepage is in a directory on our college's web server. (http://www.scc.losrios.edu/~library/ ) >I would like to have the Google search tool search only this directory instead of the whole server, but was not able to do it. Was anybody able to make it work that way? Thanks. -Sue > You'd have to mod it to run a search but add the search modifier inurl:"scc.losrios.edu/~library/" instead of a site: modifer. Tara From jdunck at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 22:42:03 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed Nov 2 22:42:09 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> References: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511021942h25b9d42ch4b2590ea553609d1@mail.gmail.com> On 11/2/05, helene bjorseth wrote: > Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? If you're sure they're doing what you claim, don't accept the BS. Does your library have any policy guidelines regarding abusive patrons? Seems simpler than the technical solution... From mooredp at email.uah.edu Thu Nov 3 00:46:22 2005 From: mooredp at email.uah.edu (David P. Moore) Date: Thu Nov 3 00:46:30 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google site search -- search a directory??? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20051102214520.039b1ba8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <005401c5e039$ef4f8190$5c38e592@safeguard.uah.edu> The way I got around this was to create a second domain for my library's web address. Our web address is www.uah.edu/library. To get the Google site search tool to recognize it, I had an alias created: lib.uah.edu. And I use that address for this purpose. David P. Moore Electronic Resources/Business Librarian M. Louis Salmon Library University of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville, AL 35899 256-824-6285 FAX: 256-824-6083 david.moore@uah.edu http://lib.uah.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Tara Calishain Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:46 PM To: Chen, Shu Sue; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Google site search -- search a directory??? At 09:42 PM 11/2/2005, Chen, Shu Sue wrote: >content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > >Hi All, >Our library's homepage is in a directory on our college's web server. (http://www.scc.losrios.edu/~library/ ) >I would like to have the Google search tool search only this directory instead of the whole server, but was not able to do it. Was anybody able to make it work that way? Thanks. -Sue > You'd have to mod it to run a search but add the search modifier inurl:"scc.losrios.edu/~library/" instead of a site: modifer. Tara _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From aled.betts at llgc.org.uk Thu Nov 3 03:25:13 2005 From: aled.betts at llgc.org.uk (ALED BETTS) Date: Thu Nov 3 03:26:48 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google site search -- search a directory??? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20051102214520.039b1ba8@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3F12565032E83F438A212C4658DCFFB502D39CD4@SCC-EXCH01.scc.ad.losrios.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20051102214520.039b1ba8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4369C969.5050004@llgc.org.uk> Dear All I'm project manager for Wales on the Web (www.walesontheweb.org). We have built our own search engine, but if the user receives 0 results then they are automatically sent to Google by using their API service. We use our own style sheets so it appears that they are still within the site. It seems to work. It certainly ensures that 0 results appear! Aled Tara Calishain wrote: >At 09:42 PM 11/2/2005, Chen, Shu Sue wrote: > > >>content-class: urn:content-classes:message >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="utf-8" >> >>Hi All, >>Our library's homepage is in a directory on our college's web server. (http://www.scc.losrios.edu/~library/ ) >>I would like to have the Google search tool search only this directory instead of the whole server, but was not able to do it. Was anybody able to make it work that way? Thanks. -Sue >> >> >> > >You'd have to mod it to run a search but add the search modifier inurl:"scc.losrios.edu/~library/" instead of a site: modifer. > >Tara > > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- Aled Betts Rheolwr prosiect/Project Manager CAYW- Cymru ar y We/Wales on the Web Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru/National Library of Wales Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BU Tel 01970 632515 www.walesontheweb.org www.cymruarywe.org From francesco.giacanelli at tiscali.it Thu Nov 3 05:00:53 2005 From: francesco.giacanelli at tiscali.it (Francesco Giacanelli) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:48:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Simple database on the web Message-ID: <4369DFD5.10004@tiscali.it> Dear Web4libbers, I am librarian in a small documentation centre of the Italian Library for the Blind. Among other things, I have also to do the website administration. Actually we are in the process of redesign our website, and I have the need to find a tool which allows me to publish in a simply manner (I don't have the time, nor the expertise, to learn deeply the functions of db admin) simple database on the web. For example: actually we have office address on our site simply listed, and it could be useful for patrons to have a simple form to search for an office. The need I have is basically interact with simple database. I have reviewed some CMS (e.g. Plone, Xaraya, Wordpress) but I did understand if they implement this possibilities (this could probably due to the lack of my technical knowledge). Have you got any advices? Consider that we have to rely on an external ISP, so the tools could be easily implement on it. Thanks very much for the advice, and sorry for my bad english Regards Francesco Giacanelli, Roma, Italy francesco.giacanelli@tiscali.it From J.P.Knight at lboro.ac.uk Thu Nov 3 06:05:14 2005 From: J.P.Knight at lboro.ac.uk (J.P.Knight) Date: Thu Nov 3 06:05:20 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> References: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, helene bjorseth wrote: > Does anyone know of a security device that will make an audible alert if > the network cable is unplugged - or a device that will make it impossible > to re-connect to the network for 10 or 15 minutes? > Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? Why not just lock the cable into the ethernet socket? I've done that a couple of times, mostly by modifying telephone socket locking covers so that they'll work with RJ45 wall sockets. That's a 15 minute job with a sharp knife usually and stops little undergraduate fingers from messing with the cables at the wall socket end. I've used thin cable ties to make sure that the cable can't be yanked out of the Ethernet card at PC end on occasions as well (although most of the locked sockets are either to stop people from using them or for embedded devices where the ethernet cable disappears inside a locked, hardened steel case). With the cost of ethernet cards, cables and wall socket inserts being what they are today you could even superglue the cables in place. :-) Jim'll From holkj at llcoop.org Thu Nov 3 09:28:21 2005 From: holkj at llcoop.org (Keith A. Jones) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:29:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: <001201c5e079$a0aa09d0$171e10ac@S0031521701> Message-ID: Clever buggers.....you have to give them credit for resourcefulness. We haven't had that particular problem (yet), but you could try using plastic zip straps to secure the network cable to the computer case. This has helped us to prevent patrons from disconnecting headphones, mice, and keyboards. (Kids would do this as a prank to "disable" the computer so that someone would have to come and fix it.) Other ideas: - convert them to wireless - rig up some kind of plate using sheet metal or angle iron to wrap around the back of the cabinet and across the network cable. - Install a disk lock across the back of the machine. http://www.locdown.com/computer-locks.htm (I don't know how many machines you're talking about, but at thirty bucks each, it could get expensive.) - Duct tape. Keith A. Jones Systems Support Specialist Herrick District Library Holland, MI 616-355-4942 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of helene bjorseth Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:59 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Hi. We are having a problem with patrons who are bypassing our Internet computer reservaton system. They are logging into a computer and then unplugging the network cable. This disconnects them from the time management server. They then reboot the machine and reattach the cable after it boots up. They can then sit all day and the clock that times the machine is frozen (on the server) at the moment they unplugged the cable. They usually do it when there is 8 or 10 minutes left in their session so it is not really obvious. Our policy is to extend extra time if there is no one waiting, so it is not unusual to see several computers with 10 or so minutes left on the clock. If we catch them they insist that "the clock just disappeared" and they didn't do anything to cause the malfunction. My question is - Does anyone know of a security device that will make an audible alert if the network cable is unplugged - or a device that will make it impossible to re-connect to the network for 10 or 15 minutes? Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? -- Helene Bjorseth Electronic Resources / Reference Librarian Highland Park Public Library 494 Laurel Ave. Highland Park, IL 60035 847-432-0216 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From morville at semanticstudios.com Thu Nov 3 09:50:36 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:50:45 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <43694A20.7080905@kcoyle.net> Message-ID: Karen, there's no way I'll argue against your point about usability. Every barrier, no matter how small, will deter people from finding or reading or sharing information. And we're still waiting for a digital solution (e-books, e-paper) or a hybrid solution (Internet bookmobile on the desktop) that really works. I do think that simply making valuable texts available online (and therefore more findable and accessible) can make a meaningful difference in some people's lives, but clearly there are broader sociocultural influences as well, and of course, reading is no longer enough. Here's an excerpt (see below) that touches on this issue of literacy...and the chapter is available online for free... http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ambient/chapter/ch01.pdf ...no need to buy the book :-) Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org --- Information Literacy -- from Ambient Findability, page 7 The average child in the United States watches four hours of television every day. These kids are exposed to 20,000 commercials annually. They see 8,000 onscreen murders by the time they finish grade school. Is this a good thing? As a society, we send mixed signals. On the one hand, we condemn the evils of television. Authorities such as the American Academy of Pediatrics warn that TV viewing may lead to more aggressive behavior, less physical activity, and risky sexual behavior. Newspaper headlines blame television for our epidemics of violence, obesity, and illiteracy. And yet, we let our children watch it. Perhaps we question the authorities and doubt the headlines. Perhaps we lack the time or energy to intervene. Or perhaps we trust that things will be okay because all the other kids are watching too. Perhaps. Whenever I hear about the dominance of television and the decline of literacy, I experience a disconnect. While I do fear for the health of this mediasaturated generation, I don't worry about their ability to read and write. Our culture does not reward illiteracy. On the contrary, it's almost impossible to function in modern society without mastering the skills of written communication. If you can't fill out a form, you're in trouble. The literacy rate in the United States is 97%. It's 99% throughout most of Europe. Basic literacy is not in danger. However, it's also not enough. Our children are inheriting a media landscape that's breathtaking and bewildering. Books, magazines, newspapers, billboards, telephones, televisions, videotapes, video games, email messages, text messages, instant messages, web sites, weblogs, wikis, and the list goes on. It's exciting to have all these communication tools and information sources at our disposal, but the complexity of the environment demands new kinds of literacy. Gone are the days when we can look up the "right answer" in the family encyclopedia. Nowadays there are many answers in many places. We can find them in Microsoft Encarta or in the Wikipedia. We can find them via Google. There is so much to find, but we must first know how to search and who to trust. In the information age, transmedia information literacy is a core life skill. From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 3 11:17:33 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Thu Nov 3 11:17:39 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print Library unveils some public domain books Message-ID: There's an entry on the Google blog this morning highlighting some of the public domain books scanned as part of the Google Print Library project: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/preserving-public-domain-books.ht ml Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From daskey at ksu.edu Thu Nov 3 11:29:27 2005 From: daskey at ksu.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Thu Nov 3 11:29:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> References: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> Message-ID: <436A3AE7.5010308@ksu.edu> I have to second Karen's objection to the statement she quotes from Peter's article. Such uncritical hyperbolic statements about Google's undertaking really need to stop. One wishes that people both on this list and elsewhere were so uncritically enthusiastic about libraries' efforts to tackle large projects. We flagellate ourselves bloody picking on our own shortcomings, yet some choose to greet Google with the rose-colored specs firmly placed on their noses. Google already restricts the ability of users in other countries to see certain texts in Google Print, and their recent "launch" of international Google Print sites just puts some fancy window dressing on an ugly rights problem. Moreover, Google Print clearly has an anglophone bent, ignoring the fact that many of the "world's greatest works" have appeared in languages that currently can't easily be dealt with in a project such as Google's (Fraktur or Arabic, anyone?). Google Print is not "amazing" (except in the sense that it's amazingly frustrating in its inconsistency), it's an interesting start into something much larger and complex than even mighty Google can imagine. In a few years we'll laugh at such megalomaniacal designs when a more realistic and workable reality emerges. Dale Karen Coyle wrote: > I think that this statement is not true: > > "The collections of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, > Stanford University, the New York Public Library, and Oxford University > will be accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere. This is amazing. The > world?s greatest works of art, history, science, engineering, law, and > literature are about to join the public Web. " > > The collections are not joining the web, and the collections are not > accessible. You can do *discovery* through Google, but good luck > borrowing the book. Public Domain items may be available in their > entirety, but in a very degraded form for using or reading. Remember, > Google is creating an index, not e-books, and not a library. > > kc > > Peter Morville wrote: > >> Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: >> >> Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous >> Computing and the Internet >> http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml >> >> I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! >> >> >> Peter Morville >> President, Semantic Studios >> http://semanticstudios.com >> http://findability.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> >> >> > -- Dale Askey Web Development Librarian KSU Libraries 118 Hale Library Manhattan, KS 66506 (785) 532-7672 From lars at aronsson.se Thu Nov 3 12:48:35 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter Morville wrote: > Our culture does not reward illiteracy. On the contrary, it's > almost impossible to function in modern society without > mastering the skills of written communication. Today in "Ny Teknik", Sweden's engineering weekly, I read an interview (http://nyteknik.se/pub/ipsart.asp?art_id=43044) with a retired chemical engineer who has just published his memoirs (my translation): - Initially I wasn't at all used to sit at a keyboard and type letters, says Karl-Johan Allsing. During my worklife I was dictating everything that should be written. Thus I started to type only with my two index fingers. But there were so many errors that I have changed to using only one. This is a fully industrialized society and a highly eduated, successful and rewared man, born in 1931. He was so rewarded that he never had to learn to type. Maybe libraries should teach typing to retired people? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From tapinformation at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 12:53:08 2005 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:53:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: LJ Webcast on eBooks in Academic Libraries Message-ID: <20051103175308.56419.qmail@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Library Journal is offering a free webcast about ebooks in academic and research libraries: eBooks Take the Ivory Tower. This promises to be an exciting and informative event, and there is no travel time or expense for you to attend. It will begin on Tuesday, November 15, beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 Central, noon Mountain, and 11:00 a.m. Pacific. There is no charge to attend, but registration is required at the following URL. http://web1.media.globix.net/client/lj/2005_1115/launch.htm This one-hour round-table discussion will feature three experts on the current scene and future trends in the academic ebook movment: Warren Holder from the University of Toronto, Suzanne Weiner from North Carolina State University, Jim Mouw from the University of Chicago. Francine Fialkoff from Library Journal will be the host, and I, Tom Peters, will facilitate the discussion. Several broad topical areas will be discussed, including: Trends in publishing and pricing models and agreement terms Enhancements to ebooks that improve and expand usability Acceptance and use by different disciplines and demographic groups Managing ebook collections and the electronic/print book relationship Impact of massive digitization projects, such as Google Library and the Open Content Alliance Library Journal is organizing this online event as the inaugural program in their new URLearning series. The topics of future online events in the URLearning series will be announced soon. Thomson Gale and ABC-CLIO are the sponsors of this November 15th kickoff event. The URL for more information is: http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6271543.html Everyone is welcome to attend. There will be some online Q&A time with the panelists. Thanks. Tom Tom Peters TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From gemstonelogan at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 13:33:05 2005 From: gemstonelogan at gmail.com (Gem Stone-Logan) Date: Thu Nov 3 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Development Vendor Suggestions Message-ID: Hi, Our library has started working on a complete redesign of our website. We are looking for a web development vendor to work with us on this project. Does anyone have experience with any vendors who have good reputations and/or specialize in library websites? Thanks for your help, Gem Stone-Logan Weld Library District gemstonelogan@gmail.com From sarah.smith at sjvls.org Thu Nov 3 15:45:18 2005 From: sarah.smith at sjvls.org (Smith, Sarah) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:45:29 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? Message-ID: This is a shot in the dark.... We're using a graphic on several pages that is badly pixilated. I can't seem to talk people into using something else, so I'm hoping one of you knows where it originally came from (assuming the original is higher quality). I've searched Microsoft's online clip art already and didn't find it. It's the ebooks graphic at the top of http://www.sjvls.org/public/ebooks.htm. TIA, Sarah A Smith Web Development Librarian San Joaquin Valley Library System 2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721 559.488.3260 sarah.smith@sjvls.org From antonella.ward at angelo.edu Thu Nov 3 16:09:07 2005 From: antonella.ward at angelo.edu (Antonella Ward) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:09:32 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051103150822.01fecc40@mailserv.angelo.edu> Hi Sarah, A similar, if not identical graphic appears at http://www.nwt.literacy.ca/adultlit/assistec/p15.htm Good luck, Antonella At 11/3/2005 02:45 PM, Smith, Sarah wrote: >This is a shot in the dark.... We're using a graphic on several pages >that is badly pixilated. I can't seem to talk people into using >something else, so I'm hoping one of you knows where it originally came >from (assuming the original is higher quality). I've searched >Microsoft's online clip art already and didn't find it. It's the ebooks >graphic at the top of http://www.sjvls.org/public/ebooks.htm. TIA, > >Sarah A Smith >Web Development Librarian >San Joaquin Valley Library System >2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721 >559.488.3260 sarah.smith@sjvls.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ Any opinions expressed above, unless otherwise identified, are my own. ASU~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ASU Antonella S. Ward Electronic Resources/Reference Librarian Porter Henderson Library ~=~ 325-942-2222 ext.231 Angelo State University ~=~ 325-942-2300 ext.231 ASU Station #11013 ~=~ 325-942-2198 (fax) San Angelo, TX 76909 ~=~ antonella.ward@angelo.edu ASU~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ASU There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written or badly written. -- Oscar Wilde From Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu Thu Nov 3 16:20:21 2005 From: Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu (Elena OMalley) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:20:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] job posting: Systems Librarian for FLO consortium (Boston, MA) Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D04C1E14A@mail.emerson.edu> Cross-posted, apologies for duplication. Please send resumes to Walter -- not me. Elena O'Malley Head of Library Computer and Internet Services Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 -- Institution: Fenway Libraries Online, Inc. Job: Systems Librarian Duties/Description: Fenway Libraries Online (FLO), an automated library consortium of nine academic and special libraries in Boston and Cambridge, seeks a Systems Librarian to provide on-going support for the Endeavor Voyager System and technology training to the library staff at the FLO member institutions. The Systems Librarian should be creative, flexible, energetic and able to communicate effectively with all levels of library staff. The major duties are the following: (1) to provide support for library staff in their use of the Endeavor subsystems (cataloging, acquisitions, circulation, public access, serials check-in; (2) to create customized reports using report-writing software; (3) to maintain and enhance the Web Public Access Catalog; (4) to provide staff support and direction for FLO operational committees; (5) to perform system upgrades as needed; (6) to produce training materials and conduct training sessions for the library staff at FLO member institutions. Qualifications: MLS degree. Knowledge of an automated library system (Endeavor preferred). Knowledge of HTML and Unix. Experience with UNIX and Windows servers strongly preferred. PC literacy and familiarity with desktop applications. Experience with training and documentation. Wide range of knowledge in all library aspects (cataloging, circulation, reference, acquisitions, serials, ILL, reporting). Desire to learn additional technical skills. Excellent written and oral communication skills, ability to respond flexibly to rapidly changing priorities, willingness to work weekends/evenings when necessary. Salary: competitive Closing Date: when filled Send: Send cover letter, resume, and names/address of 3 references to: Walter T. Punch, President, Fenway Libraries Online, c/o Wentworth Institute of Technology Library, 550 Huntington Avenue, Boston MA 02115. Email: punchw@wit.edu From jbnmia at zoominternet.net Thu Nov 3 16:29:33 2005 From: jbnmia at zoominternet.net (JB Bryant) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:29:51 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <510AD4A6E2865E4AABFBC81AD2F62BD808678704@ntexch01.intra.cas.org> Sarah: I found the same image here, but it is just as badly distorted: http://www.kingscountylibrary.org/images/ebooks.gif Unfortunately, that's the only other place I've found it. J.B. Bryant Knowledge CPT Orrville, OH -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Sarah Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:45 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? This is a shot in the dark.... We're using a graphic on several pages that is badly pixilated. I can't seem to talk people into using something else, so I'm hoping one of you knows where it originally came from (assuming the original is higher quality). I've searched Microsoft's online clip art already and didn't find it. It's the ebooks graphic at the top of http://www.sjvls.org/public/ebooks.htm. TIA, Sarah A Smith Web Development Librarian San Joaquin Valley Library System 2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721 559.488.3260 sarah.smith@sjvls.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tapinformation at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 16:38:02 2005 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:38:43 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: OPAL Programs in November Message-ID: <20051103213802.84124.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Pasted below is the current list of online programs being offered by OPAL (Online Programming for All Libraries--And All Library Users) for November. For up-to-date information, please visit the OPAL website at www.opal-online.org. Version 4 of tcConference, the web conferencing software used by OPAL, works with the various recent MS operating systems (Win 98 and above), Mac OS X, and Linux. The first time you enter an OPAL room, the operating system you use may ask for your permission to download and automatically install a small software plug-in. A streaming audio version of this announcement is available at the following URL: http://www.opal-online.org/OPALpromo200511.htm I've also included the announcement of an introduction to podcasting scheduled for Dec. 8. There is no charge to attend these events, and no need to register. Tom Peters Saturday, November 5, 2005 beginning at 5:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 4:00 Central, 3:00 Mountain, 2:00 Pacific, and 10:00 p.m. GMT: 10-Squared Talking Book Club Induction Ceremony To recognize the accomplishments and love of reading of patrons who are 100 years or older, the Washington Talking Book & Braille Library is having an induction ceremony for the 10-Squared Talking Book Club. Please join us for an afternoon with three of our centenarian patrons and special guest speaker Tony Ventrella. This two-hour event will be held in the Auditorium. Wednesday, November 9, 2005 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: Family Reunions: Exploring Your Roots Looking to learn more about your ancestors? Ever wonder what brought them here? Or what their family life was like? Join Library of Congress staff and explore ways to recreate your family's personal history. Presented by the librarians at the Library of Congress. This OPAL event will be held in the Auditorium. Wednesday, November 9, 2005 beginning at 4:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 3:00 p.m. Central, 2:00 Mountain, 1:00 Pacific, and 10:00 p.m. GMT: Shopping Online: Click and Ship The winter holiday season is here. Learn some of the best tips, tricks, and websites for shopping online. Advice also will provided on how to avoid credit card fraud, identity theft, and online rip-offs. This program is designed for older adults, but everyone is welcome to attend. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center and facilitated by Tom Peters. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Thursday, November 10, 2005 beginning at 1:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 12:30 p.m. Central, 11:30 a.m. Mountain, 10:30 a.m. Pacific, and 6:30 p.m. GMT: Book Discussion of the non-fiction book, Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America, by Barbara Ehrenreich Inspired by welfare reforms, the author explores surviving on less than $8 per hour as an "unskilled" worker. Traveling across the country, she takes on six jobs and lives anywhere she can afford. This event is part of the Cyber-Dialogue series of book discussions sponsored by the Cleveland Public Library, Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped. NLS audiobook version: RC 52291 (2 cassettes; read by Colleen Delany) This OPAL public event will be held in the Cleveland Public Library LBPH room. Wednesday, November 16, 2005 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: Introduction to OPAL and tcConference version 4 This session will provide an overview of how the OPAL collaborative works. We also will cover how version 4 of tcConference software can help you hold successful online meetings and programs. Numerous tips and techniques for customizing and optimizing the OPAL online experience will be shared. This OPAL event will be held in the Auditorium. Wednesday, November 16, 2005 beginning at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 7:00 p.m. Central, 6:00 p.m. Mountain, 5:00 p.m. Pacific, and 1:00 a.m. GMT: Shopping Online: Click and Ship The winter holiday season is here. Learn some of the best tips, tricks, and websites for shopping online. Advice also will provided on how to avoid credit card fraud, identity theft, and online rip-offs. This program is designed for older adults, but everyone is welcome to attend. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center and facilitated by Tom Peters. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Thursday, November 17, 2005 beginning at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 2:00 Central, 1:00 Mountain, noon Pacific, and 8:00 p.m. GMT: Library Services for Older Adults: Preview of the White House Conference on Aging Join Allan Kleiman from Westfield Public Library in New Jersey, one of the few librarian at-large delegates to the upcoming White House Conference on Aging on December 11-14 for a discussion of the themes and anticipated outcomes of the WHCoA. The purpose of this fifth WHCoA is to make recommendations to the President and Congress to help guide national aging policies for the nest ten years and beyond. Allen also will review the key points of a position paper he prepared for the American Library Association for this conference. He also will lead a discussion of the long-term challenges and opportunities of providing library services for older adults. This special two-hour OPAL event will be held in the Auditorium. Friday, November 18, 2005 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 p.m. Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: The Mouse Pad Traveler: Using the Internet to Plan and Purchase Your Travels Airline tickets, hotel reservations, car rentals, maps, itineraries, and other travel essentials can be researched and purchased on the Internet. Learn some of the best tips, tricks, and websites for planning your next trip. Advice also will provided on how to avoid credit card fraud, identity theft, and online rip-offs. This program is designed for older adults, but everyone is welcome to attend. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center and facilitated by Tom Peters. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Tuesday, November 22, 2005 beginning at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 7:00 Central, 6:00 Mountain, 5:00 Pacific, and Midnight GMT: Book Discussion of the memoir Sky of Stone, by Homer Hickam The third volume of Hickam's memoirs following Rocket Boys (RC 47833) and The Coalwood Way (RC 52009). Recounts what he learned about love and labor unions during his first summer working in the West Virginia coal mines in 1961, after his freshman year in engineering school. NLS audiobook version: RC 54699(3 cassettes; read by John Polk) This OPAL public event will be held in the Atrium. Tuesday, November 29, 2005 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 p.m. Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: Yahoo! Let's Ask Jeeves How to Google: An Introduction to Searching the Internet Learn some of the tips, tricks, and best search engines for finding any type of information on the World Wide Web. This program is designed for older adults, but everyone is welcome to attend. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center and facilitated by Tom Peters. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Wednesday, November 30, 2005 beginning at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 7:00 p.m. Central, 6:00 p.m. Mountain, 5:00 p.m. Pacific, and 1:00 a.m. GMT: The Mouse Pad Traveler: Using the Internet to Plan and Purchase Your Travels Airline tickets, hotel reservations, car rentals, maps, itineraries, and other travel essentials can be researched and purchased on the Internet. Learn some of the best tips, tricks, and websites for planning your next trip. Advice also will provided on how to avoid credit card fraud, identity theft, and online rip-offs. This program is designed for older adults, but everyone is welcome to attend. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center and facilitated by Tom Peters. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Thursday, December 8, 2005 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 p.m. Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: Podcasting: An Introduction Podcasting, an exciting new model for distributing audio content, is generating buzz across the Internet. But what is it exactly? And why should librarians care? We'll discuss the hows and whys of podcasting, including how to tune in, how to find interesting content and how your organization can take advantage of this powerful technology to reach more people in your community. Presented by Greg Schwartz, by day the Circulation Support Supervisor for the Louisville Free Public Library. and by night a husband, father, and blogger and podcaster extraordinaire of Open Stacks. Sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center. This OPAL event will be held in the online Auditorium. Tom Peters TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From JHarris at mail.twu.edu Thu Nov 3 16:46:11 2005 From: JHarris at mail.twu.edu (Harris, Jimmie) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:46:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? Message-ID: <040C620D459AA64C8015A59BA4F8F94D38CD76@morgoth.fs.dew.twu> Sarah and others, Yes this is a Microsoft clip art PE07259_.wmf. I went to their site online and searched for books, changed options to 48 on a page and then on page 16 or 23. I knew I had seen it too. Hope this helps. Jimmie Lyn Harris, M.L.S. Reference Instruction Librarian III Texas Woman's University Libraries Denton, Texas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of JB Bryant Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM To: 'Smith, Sarah'; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? Sarah: I found the same image here, but it is just as badly distorted: http://www.kingscountylibrary.org/images/ebooks.gif Unfortunately, that's the only other place I've found it. J.B. Bryant Knowledge CPT Orrville, OH -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Sarah Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:45 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Do you know this graphic? This is a shot in the dark.... We're using a graphic on several pages that is badly pixilated. I can't seem to talk people into using something else, so I'm hoping one of you knows where it originally came from (assuming the original is higher quality). I've searched Microsoft's online clip art already and didn't find it. It's the ebooks graphic at the top of http://www.sjvls.org/public/ebooks.htm. TIA, Sarah A Smith Web Development Librarian San Joaquin Valley Library System 2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721 559.488.3260 sarah.smith@sjvls.org _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From maurice.york at emory.edu Thu Nov 3 17:35:23 2005 From: maurice.york at emory.edu (Maurice York) Date: Thu Nov 3 17:35:25 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <436A3AE7.5010308@ksu.edu> References: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> <436A3AE7.5010308@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <3c95db40511031435t1b3ff1d4ie868b21b61ee0f3@mail.gmail.com> Rose-colored glasses are undesirable in any context. By the same token, perhaps we can forego the uniformly cynical and combative stance towards this undertaking by Google and the five libraries, and find a more moderate and balanced center for discussion. The language of "us versus them" is at least as counterproductive as the uncritical praise. To speak specifically to the "anglophone bent", we should not be so derisive to the collection policies of Michigan, Stanford, et al as to imagine that they have only collected books from Western countries over the last several centuries. A significant portion of their holdings are in non-Western languages and scripts, and they will be scanned along with everything else. Now, granted, some search tools for indexing and retrieving non-Roman characters and scripts would be immensely valuable and important. -Maurice -- ************************************ Maurice York Team Leader, Circulation and Reserves Woodruff Library Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mcyork@emory.edu On 11/3/05, Dale Askey wrote: > I have to second Karen's objection to the statement she quotes from > Peter's article. Such uncritical hyperbolic statements about Google's > undertaking really need to stop. One wishes that people both on this > list and elsewhere were so uncritically enthusiastic about libraries' > efforts to tackle large projects. We flagellate ourselves bloody picking > on our own shortcomings, yet some choose to greet Google with the > rose-colored specs firmly placed on their noses. > > Google already restricts the ability of users in other countries to see > certain texts in Google Print, and their recent "launch" of > international Google Print sites just puts some fancy window dressing on > an ugly rights problem. Moreover, Google Print clearly has an anglophone > bent, ignoring the fact that many of the "world's greatest works" have > appeared in languages that currently can't easily be dealt with in a > project such as Google's (Fraktur or Arabic, anyone?). > > Google Print is not "amazing" (except in the sense that it's amazingly > frustrating in its inconsistency), it's an interesting start into > something much larger and complex than even mighty Google can imagine. > In a few years we'll laugh at such megalomaniacal designs when a more > realistic and workable reality emerges. > > Dale > > > Karen Coyle wrote: > > I think that this statement is not true: > > > > "The collections of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, > > Stanford University, the New York Public Library, and Oxford University > > will be accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere. This is amazing. The > > world's greatest works of art, history, science, engineering, law, and > > literature are about to join the public Web. " > > > > The collections are not joining the web, and the collections are not > > accessible. You can do *discovery* through Google, but good luck > > borrowing the book. Public Domain items may be available in their > > entirety, but in a very degraded form for using or reading. Remember, > > Google is creating an index, not e-books, and not a library. > > > > kc > > > > Peter Morville wrote: > > > >> Some thoughts about the future of librarianship: > >> > >> Ambient Findability: Libraries at the Crossroads of Ubiquitous > >> Computing and the Internet > >> http://www.infotoday.com/online/nov05/morville.shtml > >> > >> I'd love to hear reactions whether positive or critical or both. Thanks! > >> > >> > >> Peter Morville > >> President, Semantic Studios > >> http://semanticstudios.com > >> http://findability.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web4lib mailing list > >> Web4lib@webjunction.org > >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Dale Askey > Web Development Librarian > KSU Libraries > 118 Hale Library > Manhattan, KS 66506 > (785) 532-7672 > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From daskey at ksu.edu Thu Nov 3 18:14:58 2005 From: daskey at ksu.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Thu Nov 3 18:15:02 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <3c95db40511031435t1b3ff1d4ie868b21b61ee0f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43690799.5080401@kcoyle.net> <436A3AE7.5010308@ksu.edu> <3c95db40511031435t1b3ff1d4ie868b21b61ee0f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436A99F2.1080307@ksu.edu> > To speak specifically to the "anglophone bent", we should not be so > derisive to the collection policies of Michigan, Stanford, et al as to > imagine that they have only collected books from Western countries > over the last several centuries. A significant portion of their > holdings are in non-Western languages and scripts, and they will be > scanned along with everything else. Now, granted, some search tools > for indexing and retrieving non-Roman characters and scripts would be > immensely valuable and important. Well, of course they have massive portions of their collections in non-Western languages; I wasn't being the least bit derisive about anyone's collection policies. That's not the point. The point is that there are certain scripts--hence my mention of Fraktur, which is, simply put, an odd font family layered on a Western language--that cannot at present be successfully OCRed, or only with software that the Kirtas scanner does not currently use. So, yes, by all means they should scan away at those five schools, and, in fact, they have already scanned some titles in Fraktur, but just try a search in one of those books. It's just not bad OCR, there is no OCR, period. The anglophone angle is all too clear. Dale -- Dale Askey Web Development Librarian KSU Libraries 118 Hale Library Manhattan, KS 66506 (785) 532-7672 From alexander.johannesen at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 20:28:47 2005 From: alexander.johannesen at gmail.com (Alexander Johannesen) Date: Thu Nov 3 20:28:48 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: Hi folks, On the SIGIA-L list someone pointed to http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=147, and I got stuck on number two ; "No opinions are considered without data. Opinions are good if they come from smart thoughtful experts. If you are in a world where you, as an expert, can't make obvious improvements without 10 pages of supporting material, guess what happens? Nothing happens. People spend all their time defending the obvious and the scale of work, and the energy to improve, drops dramatically." Given the commitee structures of the library world, does anybody but me feel I'm living in this spiral? Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ From drweb at san.rr.com Thu Nov 3 21:13:00 2005 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Thu Nov 3 21:13:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <3c95db40511031435t1b3ff1d4ie868b21b61ee0f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003701c5e0e5$494fdb30$3a964b42@PMM> Maurice brings a voice of reason, and insight, to the discussion. There's nothing inherently non-Western about their approach, that I can see. And, lest we forget, there are plans for international versions of similar scope or scale, from EU and perhaps other "Google Prints." I don't think there's anything inherently politically incorrect about their mission; you can read it here: http://www.google.com/corporate/ "Company Overview Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." My biggest concern would be the same one I've expressed for several years now; why don't our library associations have a continuing and frequent and "standing" liaison with Google? There's no good reason I can see not to bridge the divide, if there is one, have the open dialog between Google and librarians in a "birds of a feather" sense, and see what comes of it. We likely will lose from the lack, and we stand to gain solid professional input into the information systems and applications of a major "information provider." As a whole, on both sides of the clouds of Google Print (publishers *and* libraries), I am neither rose-colored amazed, nor bashing what's a beta project that involves a major new dot.com with deep pockets, and re:mission above, and so far, involving several large, prestitious universities with large, deep libraries. It's like being present at a grand experiment, and I just hope we don't stand too long on the sidelines. Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Terminal glare: A look that kills... Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:56:43 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Maurice York >Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:35 PM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? > >Rose-colored glasses are undesirable in any context. By the same >token, perhaps we can forego the uniformly cynical and combative >stance towards this undertaking by Google and the five libraries, and >find a more moderate and balanced center for discussion. The language >of "us versus them" is at least as counterproductive as the uncritical >praise. > >To speak specifically to the "anglophone bent", we should not be so >derisive to the collection policies of Michigan, Stanford, et al as to >imagine that they have only collected books from Western countries >over the last several centuries. A significant portion of their >holdings are in non-Western languages and scripts, and they will be >scanned along with everything else. Now, granted, some search tools >for indexing and retrieving non-Roman characters and scripts would be >immensely valuable and important. > >-Maurice > >-- >************************************ >Maurice York >Team Leader, Circulation and Reserves >Woodruff Library >Emory University >Atlanta, GA 30322 >mcyork@emory.edu From dmcmorris at sals.edu Fri Nov 4 00:23:31 2005 From: dmcmorris at sals.edu (McMorris,Don) Date: Fri Nov 4 00:25:09 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> References: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Message-ID: Maybe you don't need an alarm that the cable is unplugged, but software that monitors the loss of connectivity... What I'm thinking is something that pings the server every 10 or 15 seconds. If it gets a reply, it does nothing. If at one moment it cannot connect, it will cause an action (IE: make the PC speaker continuously alarm, start a full screen application which flashes alternating black-and-white saying "Don't touch my cables!", something like that. Or, the server will ping the clients. If ping fails, it sends a windows messenger (winpopup, net send) message to whatever workstation "Client CRKRPC1 lost connectivity" Don't ask me how to go about the program, but I would think that something can be done fairly easily in VBSCRIPT. I think I could do something with quickbasic and bat files. Basically, it would work as follows: 1) Server has a script that runs every 10 seconds, looking up the contents of d:\shared\tester.txt (a number), adds 1 to the value, and outputs the value to d:\shared\tester.txt 2)every 15 seconds, client has script1 copy the file from file://domctrl/shared/tester.txt to c:\tester.txt 3)every 30 seconds, client has script2 look up contents of c:\tester.txt. If the number in it is not equal the value in c:\tester2.txt, it copies the file c:\tester.txt to c:\tester2.txt and exits... if the value is equal, the alarm sounds (they would be equal if the file copy failed, meaning cable unplugged) 4)Server has a script running at a closed time (IE: 3:00 AM) resetting d:\shared\tester.txt to 1. This, I could do with a series of batch files and a quickbasic file. Heck, I may even be able to make it a quickbasic-only program, meaning you could run it as a service (and the user wouldn't be aware of it, unless he can open task manager!). Good luck in whatever you choose, be it physical security or software like I suggest. --Don ------------------------ "Proudly serving the 964 residents of the Village of Salem, NY" Donald J McMorris Jr. Assistant Librarian Bancroft Public Library 181 South Main St PO Box 515 Salem, NY 12865 Phone/Fax: (518) 854-7463 www.slibrary.org XIZ / SALS-SLM www.slibrary.org/staff/don.mcmorris/blog/ From: helene bjorseth Sent: Wed 11/2/2005 6:58 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Hi. We are having a problem with patrons who are bypassing our Internet computer reservaton system. They are logging into a computer and then unplugging the network cable. This disconnects them from the time management server. They then reboot the machine and reattach the cable after it boots up. They can then sit all day and the clock that times the machine is frozen (on the server) at the moment they unplugged the cable. They usually do it when there is 8 or 10 minutes left in their session so it is not really obvious. Our policy is to extend extra time if there is no one waiting, so it is not unusual to see several computers with 10 or so minutes left on the clock. If we catch them they insist that "the clock just disappeared" and they didn't do anything to cause the malfunction. My question is - Does anyone know of a security device that will make an audible alert if the network cable is unplugged - or a device that will make it impossible to re-connect to the network for 10 or 15 minutes? Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? -- Helene Bjorseth Electronic Resources / Reference Librarian Highland Park Public Library 494 Laurel Ave. Highland Park, IL 60035 847-432-0216 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 01:01:28 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Fri Nov 4 01:01:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: References: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Message-ID: There are a number of software products that will monitor devices in various ways, the simplest being a PING test. An example is What's Up Gold. The software has management screens that show status of a bunch of devices, normally used for monitoring servers, but it could be used to make sure a fleet of PCs is online. But if you do this client-side, what if the PC is simply powered down before it's unplugged? If you do this server side, wouldn't an alert go off if the PC is powered down, or if there is a glitch on the network? /rich On 11/4/05, McMorris,Don wrote: > Maybe you don't need an alarm that the cable is unplugged, but software that monitors the loss of connectivity... > > What I'm thinking is something that pings the server every 10 or 15 seconds. If it gets a reply, it does nothing. If at one moment it cannot connect, it will cause an action (IE: make the PC speaker continuously alarm, start a full screen application which flashes alternating black-and-white saying "Don't touch my cables!", something like that. > > Or, the server will ping the clients. If ping fails, it sends a windows messenger (winpopup, net send) message to whatever workstation "Client CRKRPC1 lost connectivity" > From e.roel at usa.net Fri Nov 4 08:12:19 2005 From: e.roel at usa.net (e roel) Date: Fri Nov 4 08:23:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: <396JkDNmT4768S18.1131109939@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> Hi Alexander, Not only do I feel like I am living in that spiral, I have come to the conclusion that all decisions are made, quite contrarily, _without data_. And, when data is utilized, it is with some simplistic use of it, that lacks any real understanding of synergistic interactions or emergent properties, from chemistry to social psychology to economics to management. Everyone is making decisions based on what can fit onto a notecard. I mean, I know that some things are designed based on the golden ratio - but come on (;-)). I see many extremely significant decisions made on this or little more. ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:31:39 PM EST From: Alexander Johannesen To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral > Hi folks, > > On the SIGIA-L list someone pointed to > http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=147, and I got stuck on number two > ; > > "No opinions are considered without data. Opinions are good if they > come from smart thoughtful experts. If you are in a world where you, > as an expert, can't make obvious improvements without 10 pages of > supporting material, guess what happens? Nothing happens. People spend > all their time defending the obvious and the scale of work, and the > energy to improve, drops dramatically." > > Given the commitee structures of the library world, does anybody but > me feel I'm living in this spiral? > > > Alex > -- > "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." > - Frank Herbert > __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Nov 4 09:23:24 2005 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:36:52 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5164E348@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> This makes no sense at all to me. Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of > Alexander Johannesen > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:29 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral > > Hi folks, > > On the SIGIA-L list someone pointed to > http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=147, and I got stuck on number two > ; > > "No opinions are considered without data. Opinions are good if they > come from smart thoughtful experts. If you are in a world where you, > as an expert, can't make obvious improvements without 10 pages of > supporting material, guess what happens? Nothing happens. People spend > all their time defending the obvious and the scale of work, and the > energy to improve, drops dramatically." > > Given the commitee structures of the library world, does anybody but > me feel I'm living in this spiral? > > > Alex > -- > "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe > you know." > - > Frank Herbert > __ http://shelter.nu/ > __________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From lewisw at hhpl.on.ca Fri Nov 4 09:24:16 2005 From: lewisw at hhpl.on.ca (Walter Lewis) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:36:55 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Project Manager =?windows-1252?q?=96_Ontario_Digital_Library_Know?= =?windows-1252?q?ledge_Ontario_Project?= Message-ID: <436B6F10.4080409@hhpl.on.ca> Like everyone else posting this class of listing, apologies for cross-posting. Note the contact email in the body of the posting. Walter Lewis === Project Manager ? Ontario Digital Library Knowledge Ontario Project Project Description: The Knowledge Ontario Project will provide easy access to electronic collections through the development of a unique centralized gateway to digitized local history and special focus collections from libraries, archives and museums across Ontario. The project will allow Ontarians to easily find collections that will meet their needs for scholarly and genealogical research, to find out more about Ontario and its communities and to locate specialized collections that have previously been available only to local citizens and students. Position Summary: Under the supervision of the ODL Technology Committee, the Project Manager will help develop an operating budget; locate content; adhere to metadata standards while managing the entry of the content; develop specifications for necessary hardware; set up and manage hardware; write policy, procedures and user agreements; track/clear copyright issues; develop training courses and handbooks; prepare Conference presentation; liaise with hosting sites; communicate with the user community and government agencies; develop a visionary growth strategic plan for the project. Qualifications / Requirements: The ideal candidate will have subject authority/metadata expertise, previous multi-partner project management experience, grant writing experience, IT and server-side experience, previous digitization project experience, previous experience in the community service field, good communication skills, budget management skills and be willing to face challenges. The successful candidate will possess a Library degree from an accredited graduate library or information studies program and have additional training in computer sciences or equivalent combination of relevant education and experience. We are willing to discuss this position as a secondment with your present employer. Opportunities exist for telecommuting. Appointment Details: STATUS: Full time contract position for 6 months. RENUMERATION: $40,000 LOCATION: Toronto, with occasional travel elsewhere in Ontario required. START DATE: Immediately. Application Deadline: Applications must be received in electronic format addressed to the Interim CEO ODL Project at molson430@yahoo.com. We thank you for your application, but advise that only those selected for an interview will be contacted. From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Fri Nov 4 09:25:27 2005 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:36:58 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <003701c5e0e5$494fdb30$3a964b42@PMM> References: <003701c5e0e5$494fdb30$3a964b42@PMM> Message-ID: <436B6F57.7020301@library.gatech.edu> Why just Google? -Ross. Michael McCulley wrote: >Maurice brings a voice of reason, and insight, to the discussion. > >There's nothing inherently non-Western about their approach, that I can see. >And, lest we forget, there are plans for international versions of similar >scope or scale, from EU and perhaps other "Google Prints." I don't think >there's anything inherently politically incorrect about their mission; you >can read it here: >http://www.google.com/corporate/ > >"Company Overview >Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it >universally accessible and useful." > >My biggest concern would be the same one I've expressed for several years >now; why don't our library associations have a continuing and frequent and >"standing" liaison with Google? There's no good reason I can see not to >bridge the divide, if there is one, have the open dialog between Google and >librarians in a "birds of a feather" sense, and see what comes of it. We >likely will lose from the lack, and we stand to gain solid professional >input into the information systems and applications of a major "information >provider." > >As a whole, on both sides of the clouds of Google Print (publishers *and* >libraries), I am neither rose-colored amazed, nor bashing what's a beta >project that involves a major new dot.com with deep pockets, and re:mission >above, and so far, involving several large, prestitious universities with >large, deep libraries. It's like being present at a grand experiment, and I >just hope we don't stand too long on the sidelines. > >Best, >DrWeb > > > From daniel.chudnov at yale.edu Fri Nov 4 10:08:11 2005 From: daniel.chudnov at yale.edu (Daniel Chudnov) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:08:15 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] hundreds of COinS browser extensions Message-ID: <20051104150810.GA26885@curtis.med.yale.edu> OCLC has graciously provided access to a subset of their OpenURL Resolver Registry [1] for experimenting with the COinS approach to dynamic resolver resolving [2]. COinS specifies a simple way to mark up OpenURLs in HTML so that they may be processed by external tools like bookmarklets. In particular, COinS can be helpful in solving problems like: - How can I post an OpenURL link on my own weblog that others can resolve to their own institutions? - If I'm studying at U. Florida, but visiting Florida State U., how can I bounce back from FSU's resolver to my resolver at UF so I can do UF things with a link? - If I'm building some NewFangledService (tm), how can I support OpenURL linking without having to build up a database of ip ranges? In other words, if OpenURL started out being about finding an "appropriate copy", COinS is about finding an "appropriate resolver" (among other things). COinS hasn't spread like wildfire -- yet. This is largely due to the need for users to have "COinS Activating Agents", a.k.a. "things that tell your browser which resolver you use." With the OCLC data, there's now a page you can visit to obtain browser extensions for nearly 900 different resolvers. And, if your library's resolver isn't listed, you can use an extension which utilizes OCLC's own ip-address-range-aware resolver to try resolve your location to an appropriate institution near you. To give it a try, visit: http://curtis.med.yale.edu/dchud/resolvable/ ...and follow the instructions to search for your institution and set up your browser. You can even just pick one at random just to see how it works, if, say, you don't have a resolver nearby. (Just don't abuse the privilege.) There are several COinS-enabled sites listed you can test with your COinS-enabled browser. Note that this is mostly an experiment, but it's pretty cool when it works! -Dan [1] http://www.oclc.org/productworks/urlresolver.htm [2] http://ocoins.info/ -- Daniel Chudnov Yale Center for Medical Informatics (203) 737-5789 From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Nov 4 10:09:36 2005 From: dan at riverofdata.com (dan@riverofdata.com) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:13:18 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: <20051104150936.18285.qmail@ns2.webmasters.com> My problem isn't so much with decisions being made with a note card full of data, or a blank card of data. My problem is with data that is carefully hand selected to "prove the point" that the decision maker wishes to make. Pick a topic, and that's how a great many people do it. Just think of the arguments on either side (and NO, I'm NOT trying to discuss any of these, here or privately) of global warming, alternative fuel vehicles, whether the current price of gas is letting the oil companies make excessive profits, or dozens of other "hot topics". Sure, those haven't had "the decision" made, and they're just examples. I'm sure we've seen similar decisions made that are just as important within our work environments on carefully selected data, rather than all the data. dan ----- Original Message ----- > Not only do I feel like I am living in that spiral, I have come to the > conclusion that all decisions are made, quite contrarily, _without data_. > And, when data is utilized, it is with some simplistic use of it, that lacks > any real understanding of synergistic interactions or emergent properties, > from chemistry to social psychology to economics to management. Everyone is > making decisions based on what can fit onto a notecard. From drweb at san.rr.com Fri Nov 4 10:41:32 2005 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:41:37 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <436B6F57.7020301@library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <001b01c5e156$3b8d9a20$3a964b42@PMM> Good point, Ross.. it isn't just Google we need to interface with effectively and continuously. I'll mid-course correct myself. There's a host of the players like OCA and important key "information age" enterprises we need to work with. Perhaps we don't have any experience in this type of cross-group professional liaison. Off to CLA today, but I'll be reading messages.. take care all! Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: How sharper than a hound's tooth it is to have a thankless serpent. Friday, November 04, 2005 7:32:39 AM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Ross Singer >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 6:25 AM >To: drweb@san.rr.com >Cc: 'Maurice York'; web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? > >Why just Google? > >-Ross. From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Fri Nov 4 11:16:19 2005 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:15:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Message-ID: Check with your network security experts to make sure they have not turned off ICMP traffic before implementing a solution like this. Our City IT department implemented such a security measure and ping stopped working. Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wiggins Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:01 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm There are a number of software products that will monitor devices in various ways, the simplest being a PING test. An example is What's Up Gold. The software has management screens that show status of a bunch of devices, normally used for monitoring servers, but it could be used to make sure a fleet of PCs is online. But if you do this client-side, what if the PC is simply powered down before it's unplugged? If you do this server side, wouldn't an alert go off if the PC is powered down, or if there is a glitch on the network? /rich On 11/4/05, McMorris,Don wrote: > Maybe you don't need an alarm that the cable is unplugged, but software that monitors the loss of connectivity... > > What I'm thinking is something that pings the server every 10 or 15 seconds. If it gets a reply, it does nothing. If at one moment it cannot connect, it will cause an action (IE: make the PC speaker continuously alarm, start a full screen application which flashes alternating black-and-white saying "Don't touch my cables!", something like that. > > Or, the server will ping the clients. If ping fails, it sends a windows messenger (winpopup, net send) message to whatever workstation "Client CRKRPC1 lost connectivity" > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 11:33:10 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:33:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral In-Reply-To: <20051104150936.18285.qmail@ns2.webmasters.com> References: <20051104150936.18285.qmail@ns2.webmasters.com> Message-ID: I believe that it was in the wonderful book Parkinson's Law there appears an allegory about a board faced with two decisions: one is whether to build a nuclear reactor at a cost of millions, and the other is whether to buy a new coffee pot for the board room. The board will pass the reactor with very little debate, because no one in the room understands the technology or the vast costs. But then the board will debate the coffee pot endlessly, because everyone in the room understands buying coffee pots. I've seens this over and over again in academe. $10 million or $100 million decisions are made faster than $100,000 or $10,000 ones. /rich On 4 Nov 2005 15:09:36 -0000, dan@riverofdata.com wrote: > My problem isn't so much with decisions being made with a note card full of data, or a blank card of data. My problem is with data that is carefully hand selected to "prove the point" that the decision maker wishes to make. Pick a topic, and that's how a great many people do it. Just think of the arguments on either side (and NO, I'm NOT trying to discuss any of these, here or privately) of global warming, alternative fuel vehicles, whether the current price of gas is letting the oil companies make excessive profits, or dozens of other "hot topics". Sure, those haven't had "the decision" made, and they're just examples. I'm sure we've seen similar decisions made that are just as important within our work environments on carefully selected data, rather than all the data. > > dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Not only do I feel like I am living in that spiral, I have come to the > > conclusion that all decisions are made, quite contrarily, _without data_. > > And, when data is utilized, it is with some simplistic use of it, that lacks > > any real understanding of synergistic interactions or emergent properties, > > from chemistry to social psychology to economics to management. Everyone is > > making decisions based on what can fit onto a notecard. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Fri Nov 4 11:35:54 2005 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: I went to the link and read it through. My first thought is that "these suckers that are that disillusioned to follow data that way can be too easily manipulated with false data." Just check out my dad's favorite book from decades back "How to lie with statistics" (I forget who the author is). Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Johannesen Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:29 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Hi folks, On the SIGIA-L list someone pointed to http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=147, and I got stuck on number two ; "No opinions are considered without data. Opinions are good if they come from smart thoughtful experts. If you are in a world where you, as an expert, can't make obvious improvements without 10 pages of supporting material, guess what happens? Nothing happens. People spend all their time defending the obvious and the scale of work, and the energy to improve, drops dramatically." Given the commitee structures of the library world, does anybody but me feel I'm living in this spiral? Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Fri Nov 4 11:37:37 2005 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:37:16 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral Message-ID: That is so true. To many people make their arguments on pure emotion. Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of dan@riverofdata.com Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:10 AM To: e.roel@usa.net Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] The data death spiral My problem isn't so much with decisions being made with a note card full of data, or a blank card of data. My problem is with data that is carefully hand selected to "prove the point" that the decision maker wishes to make. Pick a topic, and that's how a great many people do it. Just think of the arguments on either side (and NO, I'm NOT trying to discuss any of these, here or privately) of global warming, alternative fuel vehicles, whether the current price of gas is letting the oil companies make excessive profits, or dozens of other "hot topics". Sure, those haven't had "the decision" made, and they're just examples. I'm sure we've seen similar decisions made that are just as important within our work environments on carefully selected data, rather than all the data. dan ----- Original Message ----- > Not only do I feel like I am living in that spiral, I have come to the > conclusion that all decisions are made, quite contrarily, _without data_. > And, when data is utilized, it is with some simplistic use of it, that > lacks any real understanding of synergistic interactions or emergent > properties, from chemistry to social psychology to economics to > management. Everyone is making decisions based on what can fit onto a notecard. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. From peterson at amigos.org Fri Nov 4 11:51:08 2005 From: peterson at amigos.org (Chris Peterson) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:50:17 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Open Source Workshop/Houston Area Message-ID: ?OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE IN LIBRARIES? WORKSHOP SCHEDULED FEBRUARY 17 IN HOUSTON AREA Title: Open Source Software in Libraries Date: February 17, 2006 Early Bird Deadline: 1/06/2006 Location: North Harris Montgomery Community College District Libraries, The Woodlands, TX Description: According to the Open Source Initiative, "the basic idea behind open source is very simple: when programmers can read, redistribute, and modify the source code for a piece of software, the software evolves. People improve it, people adapt it, people fix bugs. And this can happen at a speed that, if one is used to the slow pace of conventional software development, seems astonishing." This workshop will provide structured opportunities for participants to experience how open source software can be used to implement many library-specific processes. Learn how open source software can help simplify such processes such as reading and writing MARC records, creating and maintaining databases, providing user-friendly interfaces to indexed content, hosting a World Wide Web server, and most importantly, bringing all of these processes together to providing meaningful library collections and services. Participants in this hands-on workshop will learn skills enabling them to: Bring up a Web server and serve simple HTML files Write and run very simple computer programs Use a Z39.50 client to search for and download Library of Congress MARC records Read, write, and create reports against sets of MARC records Index MARC records and HTML files and make these indexes available on the web as CGI scripts Read, write, and convert XML files Create a very simple library catalog using a relational database Audience: Library directors, managers, catalogers, reference librarians, bibliographers, archivists, electronic resource librarians, systems librarians, IT managers -- all types of librarians. Prerequisites: Participants should be able to type, have an understanding of the fundamental principles of librarianship, and most importantly, be willing to learn. Presenter: Eric Lease Morgan is head of the Digital Access and Information Architecture Department at the University Libraries at Notre Dame. He considers himself a librarian first and a computer user second. His professional goal is to discover new ways to use computers to improve library and knowledge services. Applied research and development has included investigations into traditional library science, digital libraries, information retrieval, and human-computer interaction. In 1994, he began the Mr Serials Process, a systematic method for collecting, indexing, and disseminating electronic serials. This matured into Index Morganagus. One of his more recognized accomplishments is the development of a portal application called MyLibrary. In 2002, he was awarded the Bowker/Ulrich Serials Librarianship Award for his serials work as well as MyLibrary. In 2004, he was awarded the LITA/Library Hi Tech Award for outstanding communication in library and information technology. For more information, go to http://www.amigos.org/learning/catalog/shopping/product_details.php?id=163. For the most up-to-date training schedule, a complete list of courses, descriptions, and a convenient online registration form, go to http://www.amigos.org/learning/calendar/ or contact Chris Brown at Amigos, 1-800-843-8482 (972-851-8000 in the Dallas area), ext. 2829, or mailto:brown@amigos.org. From pfa at umich.edu Fri Nov 4 12:32:48 2005 From: pfa at umich.edu (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:33:15 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your dad's favorite book is linked form the bottom of the article! :-) Obviously, Scott Berkun agrees with you ... -- Patricia Anderson, pfa@umich.edu On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > I went to the link and read it through. My first thought is that "these > suckers that are that disillusioned to follow data that way can be too > easily manipulated with false data." Just check out my dad's favorite > book from decades back "How to lie with statistics" (I forget who the > author is). > > > Thomas Edelblute > Anaheim Public Library > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Alexander > Johannesen > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:29 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral > > Hi folks, > > On the SIGIA-L list someone pointed to > http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=147, and I got stuck on number two ; > > "No opinions are considered without data. Opinions are good if they come > from smart thoughtful experts. If you are in a world where you, as an > expert, can't make obvious improvements without 10 pages of supporting > material, guess what happens? Nothing happens. People spend all their > time defending the obvious and the scale of work, and the energy to > improve, drops dramatically." > > Given the commitee structures of the library world, does anybody but me > feel I'm living in this spiral? > > > Alex > -- > "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." > - Frank Herbert > __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > From jdunck at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 12:36:30 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The data death spiral In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2545a92c0511040936w36672dbbk71b45ace75303c64@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > easily manipulated with false data." Just check out my dad's favorite > book from decades back "How to lie with statistics" (I forget who the > author is). Darrell Huff ISBNs: 0393310728 039309426x 0393052648 0140213007 0575004207 7810497421 9511014293 From ashepard at well.com Fri Nov 4 12:37:20 2005 From: ashepard at well.com (Avrum Shepard) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Yahoo Map APIs Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051104093341.03ea7ec0@well.com> Here's a link to a whole flock of new APIs being released for Yahoo Maps. You can read about them at the Yahoo Web Services 'blog (http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/) or get the documentation at http://developer.yahoo.net/maps/.) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 From daskey at ksu.edu Fri Nov 4 12:57:41 2005 From: daskey at ksu.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:58:48 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A Delicious Future for Libraries? In-Reply-To: <003701c5e0e5$494fdb30$3a964b42@PMM> References: <003701c5e0e5$494fdb30$3a964b42@PMM> Message-ID: <436BA115.8070100@ksu.edu> > There's nothing inherently non-Western about their approach, that I can see. > And, lest we forget, there are plans for international versions of similar > scope or scale, from EU and perhaps other "Google Prints." I don't think > there's anything inherently politically incorrect about their mission; you > can read it here: > http://www.google.com/corporate/ Google can claim anything it wants in a press release, as can any other company; moreover, anything they claim is simply parroted in the press as a simple search in any news aggregator shows. What I'm doing here in my Cassandra role is saying that their press releases do not indicate current realities. Their approach is inherently Western oriented, not because of any evil designs, but because technologies and markets dictate that it be so. What value is there for Google to solve the very difficult challenges with Fraktur and Arabic, and these two examples are the type of an iceberg when it comes to the inability of current state-of-the-art OCR technology to deal with many non-Roman scripts. As far as the expansion of Google Print to the world, read the foreign press and mailing lists for the concerns expressed about that undertaking: http://wiki.netbib.de/coma/GooglePrint http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/kultur_und_medien/medien/?cnt=750084& Googles K?se - S?ddeutsche Zeitung, Oct. 20 2005 and so forth I'm no fan of Jeanneney's brand of knee-jerk anti-American reaction to Google Print, but there are realistic concerns being expressed elsewhere about this "internationalization." > My biggest concern would be the same one I've expressed for several years > now; why don't our library associations have a continuing and frequent and > "standing" liaison with Google? There's no good reason I can see not to > bridge the divide, if there is one, have the open dialog between Google and > librarians in a "birds of a feather" sense, and see what comes of it. We > likely will lose from the lack, and we stand to gain solid professional > input into the information systems and applications of a major "information > provider." When the University of Michigan doesn't even share information about the digitization plan with its own employees, why would Google deign to speak with non-participating libraries? For that matter, they're not really even talking all that well with the AAP, and they certainly have a compelling reason to have that conversation. On the last point, about learning about the "information systems and applications" it is necessary to point out the obvious: Google is a publicly held company that will protect its intellectual assets from all others. Thomson Gale does not reveal its digitization trade secrets (which are formidable) for very good reasons. It's called competitive advantage. This isn't about being a Google-hater or trying to create an us vs. them atmosphere. Fact is, when it comes to mass digitization, libraries will lose to any corporation that chooses to enter this field. What irks me, and I think should concern us all, is that the claims Google makes raise expectations to unrealistic levels that will not be attained or, at the very least, not be of broad benefit. This whole nonsense about making the world's accumulated knowledge accessible to all is getting a little old. Yes, some of that knowledge available to many, but let's exercise a little professional assertiveness and point out where such grandiose plans ran aground. Dale > As a whole, on both sides of the clouds of Google Print (publishers *and* > libraries), I am neither rose-colored amazed, nor bashing what's a beta > project that involves a major new dot.com with deep pockets, and re:mission > above, and so far, involving several large, prestitious universities with > large, deep libraries. It's like being present at a grand experiment, and I > just hope we don't stand too long on the sidelines. > > Best, > DrWeb > -- Dale Askey Web Development Librarian KSU Libraries 118 Hale Library Manhattan, KS 66506 (785) 532-7672 From CAGimon at mplib.org Fri Nov 4 14:44:55 2005 From: CAGimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Fri Nov 4 14:45:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: new to list: questions Message-ID: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC30106EF54@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> I'll just mention briefly that the Javascript console in Firefox is pretty sweet--and part of the standard install. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: innopac-bounces@innopacusers.org [mailto:innopac-bounces@innopacusers.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Welch Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:18 PM To: innopac@innopacusers.org; PONSLM@ucmail.uc.edu Subject: Re: new to list: questions Welcome, Lisa! One of the things I rely on heavily here for opac changes is Firefox's Web Developer's toolbar. If you don't currently use Firefox in your page testing, I recommend you get it for the development features alone (the toolbar doesn't come with Firefox by default; you'll have to select Tools | Extensions and click on the "Get more extensions" link. Search for "web developer"). A couple of the toolbar's features I'm particularly attached to: -Edit CSS on the fly, with your stylesheet displayed in a sidebar next to your page. Change a style attribute and instantly see how it changes your page. You don't need to save each stylesheet change, so your actual stylesheet is not affected until you want it to be. This is particularly nice for dynamic pages, which you can't [easily] replicate on your local machine to make style changes. The time you'll save not uploading your stylesheet with every minor tweak will be well worth it. (Once you do save stylesheet changes, of course, you'll need to view the page in IE to make sure there are no surprises.) -You can display ID and Class details for any page, which show up as little tooltip-like boxes near the areas to which they apply. If you want to change the look of a page area, use this feature to quickly see what style is attached to that area. Beats scanning through source code. Other useful Firefox extensions include a color picker, which lets you move your mouse over colors on a page to see the hexidecimal and RGB color values; and a URL checker that quickly scans and tests all links on a given page. Anyway, I can't say enough good things about how Firefox integrates useful tools for web developers, so I'll stop now. Andrew Welch Sr. Library Systems Technician Aurora Public Library Aurora, CO 80247 303/739-6796 From jwang_94121 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 15:08:50 2005 From: jwang_94121 at yahoo.com (jwang_94121@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:09:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] NYTimes.com: Want 'War and Peace' Online? How About 20 Pages at a Time? Message-ID: This page was sent to you by: jwang_94121@yahoo.com. If you can't read the text: In a race to become the iTunes of the publishing world, Amazon.com and Google are both developing systems to allow consumers to purchase online access to any page, section or chapter of a book. These programs would combine their already available systems of searching books online with a commercial component that could revolutionize the way that people read books. The idea is to do for books what Apple has done for music, allowing readers to buy and download parts of individual books for their own use through their computers rather than trek to a store or receive them by mail. Consumers could purchase a single recipe from a cookbook, for example, or a chapter on rebuilding a car engine from a repair manual. The initiatives are already setting off a tug of war among publishers and the potential vendors over who will do business with whom and how to split the proceeds. Random House, the biggest American publisher, proposed a micropayment model yest TECHNOLOGY | November 4, 2005 Want 'War and Peace' Online? How About 20 Pages at a Time? 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NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company From andrew.nagy at villanova.edu Fri Nov 4 15:11:22 2005 From: andrew.nagy at villanova.edu (Andrew Nagy) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:11:28 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print pulls copyrighted materials Message-ID: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> It appears that today, Google changed their minds about copyrighted materials ... http://www.networkingpipeline.com/blog/archives/2005/11/google_retreats.html Andrew Nagy Technology Development Specialist Falvey Memorial Library Villanova University From chuck at mutualaid.org Fri Nov 4 15:21:57 2005 From: chuck at mutualaid.org (Chuck0) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:18:47 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print pulls copyrighted materials In-Reply-To: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> References: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> Message-ID: <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> Andrew Nagy wrote: > It appears that today, Google changed their minds about copyrighted > materials ... Cowards! Chuck From jaf30 at cornell.edu Fri Nov 4 15:26:15 2005 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:26:37 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: new to list: questions In-Reply-To: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC30106EF54@alpha.mpls.lib.mn .us> References: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC30106EF54@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051104152348.01dda478@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 02:44 PM 11/4/2005, Gimon, Charles A wrote: >I'll just mention briefly that the Javascript console in Firefox is >pretty sweet--and part of the standard install. And if that's not enough the Venkman javascript debugger plugin will allow you to step through the javascript to see what's actually causing errors reported in the javascript console. One of the problem I mostly enounter with javascript, however, is that it works fine in Firefox but not in IE and the IE javascript error notification is not very good. From maurice.york at emory.edu Fri Nov 4 15:43:18 2005 From: maurice.york at emory.edu (Maurice York) Date: Fri Nov 4 15:43:22 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print pulls copyrighted materials In-Reply-To: <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> References: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> Message-ID: <3c95db40511041243g43ccb4f8o54692c8c0ea9d7b0@mail.gmail.com> This guy seems a little off-the wall. "Google took a temporary retreat today in its plan to make available for free countless thousands of copyrighted books without the copyright holders' permissions." Google was never planning to make copyrighted books available for free. It has always been their intention to index them, not deliver their contents. This author apparently has some bone to pick with Google (or is a publisher's shil?), but either way he could be a little more balanced in how he's reporting this. I didn't notice anything that Google did yesterday that was a surprise or varied from what they have been saying for the last couple of months since the law suits came around. -Maurice On 11/4/05, Chuck0 wrote: > Andrew Nagy wrote: > > It appears that today, Google changed their minds about copyrighted > > materials ... > > Cowards! > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ************************************ Maurice York Team Leader, Circulation and Reserves Woodruff Library Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mcyork@emory.edu From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 16:02:24 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Fri Nov 4 16:02:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print pulls copyrighted materials In-Reply-To: <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> References: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> Message-ID: I suggest patience and caution in reading this. The Google Print beta has launched with books that are free of copyright encumberance. Google has stated that they will concentrate first on public domain books, and books out of print. I have not seen a statement that they've abandoned plans to scan copyrighted materials that are still in-print. They wanted to launch their beta so the world could see how it works. So of course you launch with titles that are not in dispute. It is amazing what sort of grievances against Google Print are popping up. A children's hospital in the UK is afraid that if Google Print includes Peter Pan in its collection, royalties to the hospital will cease: "Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity has received royalties from Peter Pan since 1929. An Act of Parliament, passed in 1988, extended the book's copyright indefinitely. If people stopped buying the book, and accessed it through Google's service, the hospital ? which cares for seriously ill children ? could lose millions of pounds." http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39235708,00.htm /rich From johnston at virginia.edu Fri Nov 4 16:08:13 2005 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Fri Nov 4 16:08:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print pulls copyrighted materials In-Reply-To: <3c95db40511041243g43ccb4f8o54692c8c0ea9d7b0@mail.gmail.com > References: <436BC06A.1090007@villanova.edu> <436BC2E5.3010801@mutualaid.org> <3c95db40511041243g43ccb4f8o54692c8c0ea9d7b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051104155744.039ed548@virginia.edu> If you go to print.google.com and search for "Henry James", at least half the hits are for copyrighted works that are labelled as support very limited viewing. This is no different from yesterday or the day before that, or last week. Leslie Johnston At 03:43 PM 11/4/2005, Maurice York wrote: >This guy seems a little off-the wall. > >"Google took a temporary retreat today in its plan to make available >for free countless thousands of copyrighted books without the >copyright holders' permissions." > >Google was never planning to make copyrighted books available for >free. It has always been their intention to index them, not deliver >their contents. This author apparently has some bone to pick with >Google (or is a publisher's shil?), but either way he could be a >little more balanced in how he's reporting this. I didn't notice >anything that Google did yesterday that was a surprise or varied from >what they have been saying for the last couple of months since the law >suits came around. > >-Maurice > >On 11/4/05, Chuck0 wrote: > > Andrew Nagy wrote: > > > It appears that today, Google changed their minds about copyrighted > > > materials ... > > > > Cowards! > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > >-- >************************************ >Maurice York >Team Leader, Circulation and Reserves >Woodruff Library >Emory University >Atlanta, GA 30322 >mcyork@emory.edu >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu From jayson.emery at erl.vic.gov.au Fri Nov 4 19:54:09 2005 From: jayson.emery at erl.vic.gov.au (Jayson Emery) Date: Fri Nov 4 19:52:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm In-Reply-To: References: <4507.66.99.233.67.1130975929.squirrel@66.99.233.67> Message-ID: <436C02B1.6080909@erl.vic.gov.au> I think the program Freeping will do what your after. I haven't done this but I believe you can set it up on a PC in your workroom and it will send a message to the pc of your choice on the network if any monitored PC looses connection. http://www.tools4ever.com/products/free/freeping/ Jayson Emery Computer System Support Eastern Regional Libraries Rear 511 Burwood Hwy Wantirna Sth, Victoria, Australia, 3152 McMorris,Don wrote: >Maybe you don't need an alarm that the cable is unplugged, but software that monitors the loss of connectivity... > >What I'm thinking is something that pings the server every 10 or 15 seconds. If it gets a reply, it does nothing. If at one moment it cannot connect, it will cause an action (IE: make the PC speaker continuously alarm, start a full screen application which flashes alternating black-and-white saying "Don't touch my cables!", something like that. > >Or, the server will ping the clients. If ping fails, it sends a windows messenger (winpopup, net send) message to whatever workstation "Client CRKRPC1 lost connectivity" > >Don't ask me how to go about the program, but I would think that something can be done fairly easily in >VBSCRIPT. > > > >I think I could do something with quickbasic and bat files. Basically, it would work as follows: >1) Server has a script that runs every 10 seconds, looking up the contents of d:\shared\tester.txt (a number), adds 1 to the value, and outputs the value to d:\shared\tester.txt >2)every 15 seconds, client has script1 copy the file from file://domctrl/shared/tester.txt to c:\tester.txt >3)every 30 seconds, client has script2 look up contents of c:\tester.txt. If the number in it is not equal the value in c:\tester2.txt, it copies the file c:\tester.txt to c:\tester2.txt and exits... if the value is equal, the alarm sounds (they would be equal if the file copy failed, meaning cable unplugged) >4)Server has a script running at a closed time (IE: 3:00 AM) resetting d:\shared\tester.txt to 1. > >This, I could do with a series of batch files and a quickbasic file. Heck, I may even be able to make it a quickbasic-only program, meaning you could run it as a service (and the user wouldn't be aware of it, unless he can open task manager!). > > >Good luck in whatever you choose, be it physical security or software like I suggest. > >--Don > >------------------------ >"Proudly serving the 964 residents of the Village of Salem, NY" > > >Donald J McMorris Jr. >Assistant Librarian >Bancroft Public Library >181 South Main St >PO Box 515 >Salem, NY 12865 >Phone/Fax: (518) 854-7463 >www.slibrary.org >XIZ / SALS-SLM > >www.slibrary.org/staff/don.mcmorris/blog/ > > > > >From: helene bjorseth >Sent: Wed 11/2/2005 6:58 PM >To: Web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm > > >Hi. >We are having a problem with patrons who are bypassing our Internet >computer reservaton system. >They are logging into a computer and then unplugging the network cable. >This disconnects them from the time management server. >They then reboot the machine and reattach the cable after it boots up. >They can then sit all day and the clock that times the machine is frozen >(on the server) at the moment they unplugged the cable. They usually do >it when there is 8 or 10 minutes left in their session so it is not really >obvious. Our policy is to extend extra time if there is no one waiting, so >it is not unusual to see several computers with 10 or so minutes left on >the clock. If we catch them they insist that "the clock just disappeared" >and they didn't do anything to cause the malfunction. > >My question is - >Does anyone know of a security device that will make an audible alert if >the network cable is unplugged - or a device that will make it impossible >to re-connect to the network for 10 or 15 minutes? >Or can anyone think of another way to stop these guys? > > > > From angela.boyd at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 20:26:20 2005 From: angela.boyd at gmail.com (Angela) Date: Fri Nov 4 20:26:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] CLA Workshop Announcement: Websites on a Budget In-Reply-To: <436C02B1.6080909@erl.vic.gov.au> Message-ID: Is your library web site ready for a remodel? Are you getting ready to build a web site for your library for the first time? Then join us at a California Library Association program that will be helpful to you... In this workshop, the 3 librarians from East Los Angeles College will share experiences and ideas for working together to remodel a library website. Learn how you can get started on your own without paying a high price. Multiple aspects of web design such as planning, research, tools, design standards, costs, accessibility for the physically and technologically disabled and weblogs will be highlighted. Please see below for more information. We hope to see you all there! Program Title: Websites on a Budget Where: Pasadena Conference Center, Room C211 Date: Monday, November 7, 2005 Time: 9:00 am - 10:15 am Speakers: Angela Boyd, Adjunct Librarian, East Los Angeles College. Antonio Ng, Systems/Circulation Librarian, East Los Angeles College. Gabriella Lopez, Librarian, East Los Angeles College. From dmattison at shaw.ca Fri Nov 4 22:55:52 2005 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Fri Nov 4 22:56:01 2005 Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_=5BWeb4lib=5D_Project_Manager_=96_Ontario_Digital_Li?= =?Windows-1252?Q?brary_Knowledge_Ontario_Project?= In-Reply-To: <436B6F10.4080409@hhpl.on.ca> Message-ID: Uuum, does anyone know if this part of the same Ontario Digital Library project that the Ontario Library Association has been working on since 2001? I'm curious because, while this sounds like a great job for 6 months, some important pieces of information are missing. I also wondered about the use of a disposable e-mail address for soliciting personal information. David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca Tiki Wiki Hut: http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki Ten Thousand Year Blog: http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress From hewlett at usfca.edu Sat Nov 5 16:36:18 2005 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Norma Hewlett) Date: Sat Nov 5 16:36:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print Message-ID: The GooglePrint beta (print.google.com) doesn't seem to be a very useful search tool in its current incarnation. In fact, if my quick-and- dirty test today is a good sample, it appears to be exactly the kind of mish-mash some people have predicted. Today I ran a search on the GooglePrint beta for "dressage". (This is a style of horseback riding that requires intense training, and there are many books about the techniques.) From on the results of this search, it appears that googleprint is retrieving any book where the search word appears anywhere in the text. There doesn't appear to be any weighting, not even for words in the title. In the first 50 books listed, there were no dressage manuals and nothing that would be of use to a serious dressage rider. There were general books such as The Encycolopedia of the Horse (1 page on dressge), a number of books on other styles of riding that briefly mention dressage, several young people's novels from the Thoroughbred series (think Baby Sitters Club on horseback), a Lonely Planet travel guide to Slovenia, a biography of Christopher Reeve, a Breyer model horse guide--and on and on. The only book that looked as if it might be a serious guide to Dressage training was in German. In contrast, when I ran a basic book search for "dressage" on Amazon, 49 of the first 50 entries were for books about the techniques of dressage training. (Number 36 was a detective story about a murdered dressage rider titled "Death By Dressage.") Jean Hewlett Regional Librarian University of San Francisco From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 19:06:16 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Sat Nov 5 19:06:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Norma, I think you've pointed out an important difference here, something that I alluded to when Roy and I discussed Google Print at our talk at Internet Librarian. Google's PageRank is well-suited to ranking Web pages. Usually, a single URL that Google indexes is fairly short -- loosely speaking, several Page Downs in your Web browser -- certainly not the equivalent of a paper book with hundreds of pages. A book tends to run to a few hundred pages, perhaps several hundred. Therefore i f you're indexing an object as large as a book the noise is likely to be much greater. A book that has a few mentions of "dressage" may, or may not, be a book in which dressage is an important part of the text. For searching books -- if someone seeks a book that's relevant on a particular topic -- a provider that searches really good metadata may deliver a much more useful service than one that indexes the full text of the book. You could imagine Amazon understanding this better than Google. Amazon understands books. Google tends to trust robots to index Web pages, or news stories, or books. The size of Google's atoms thus varies by orders of magnitude. The question is whether Google BookRank (my TM, not Google's) will work well if it's built on a strict analogy of PageRank. I don't think it will. You could imagine an Amazon hit list broken into useful segments: -- We found 123 books about dressage: ... -- We found 1234 books that mention dressage: ... -- We found 12345 books that mention the word "dressage": ... /rich On 11/5/05, Norma Hewlett wrote: > The GooglePrint beta (print.google.com) doesn't seem to be a very > useful search tool in its current incarnation. In fact, if my quick-and- > dirty test today is a good sample, it appears to be exactly the kind of > mish-mash some people have predicted. > > Today I ran a search on the GooglePrint beta for "dressage". (This is a > style of horseback riding that requires intense training, and there are > many books about the techniques.) From on the results of this search, > it appears that googleprint is retrieving any book where the search > word appears anywhere in the text. There doesn't appear to be any > weighting, not even for words in the title. > > In the first 50 books listed, there were no dressage manuals and > nothing that would be of use to a serious dressage rider. There were > general books such as The Encycolopedia of the Horse (1 page on > dressge), a number of books on other styles of riding that briefly > mention dressage, several young people's novels from the Thoroughbred > series (think Baby Sitters Club on horseback), a Lonely Planet travel > guide to Slovenia, a biography of Christopher Reeve, a Breyer model > horse guide--and on and on. The only book that looked as if it might be > a serious guide to Dressage training was in German. > > In contrast, when I ran a basic book search for "dressage" on Amazon, > 49 of the first 50 entries were for books about the techniques of > dressage training. (Number 36 was a detective story about a murdered > dressage rider titled "Death By Dressage.") > > Jean Hewlett > > Regional Librarian > University of San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From morville at semanticstudios.com Sat Nov 5 20:32:24 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Sat Nov 5 20:32:39 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you do an advanced Google Print search on "dressage" [title search] you'll see they have not yet indexed any books with "dressage" in the title. Replace "dressage" with "horseback riding" [still a title search] and you'll find the two books in their index with "horseback riding" in the title. Try a regular Google Print search on *horseback riding" [with or without quotes] and those two books appear at the top of the result set. I think it's premature to criticize Google Print's search results for [at least] two reasons: 1. They don't have many books in the index yet. 2. There hasn't been time for a critical mass of people to link to their book URLs [which is essential for PageRank to work]. Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Norma Hewlett Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:36 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print The GooglePrint beta (print.google.com) doesn't seem to be a very useful search tool in its current incarnation. In fact, if my quick-and- dirty test today is a good sample, it appears to be exactly the kind of mish-mash some people have predicted. Today I ran a search on the GooglePrint beta for "dressage". (This is a style of horseback riding that requires intense training, and there are many books about the techniques.) From on the results of this search, it appears that googleprint is retrieving any book where the search word appears anywhere in the text. There doesn't appear to be any weighting, not even for words in the title. In the first 50 books listed, there were no dressage manuals and nothing that would be of use to a serious dressage rider. There were general books such as The Encycolopedia of the Horse (1 page on dressge), a number of books on other styles of riding that briefly mention dressage, several young people's novels from the Thoroughbred series (think Baby Sitters Club on horseback), a Lonely Planet travel guide to Slovenia, a biography of Christopher Reeve, a Breyer model horse guide--and on and on. The only book that looked as if it might be a serious guide to Dressage training was in German. In contrast, when I ran a basic book search for "dressage" on Amazon, 49 of the first 50 entries were for books about the techniques of dressage training. (Number 36 was a detective story about a murdered dressage rider titled "Death By Dressage.") Jean Hewlett Regional Librarian University of San Francisco _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 23:59:35 2005 From: marionsumerianlibrarian at yahoo.com (Marion Sumerianlibrarian) Date: Sat Nov 5 23:59:39 2005 Subject: Fwd: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print Message-ID: <20051106045936.62189.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> this is the most significant point and would, so to speak, result in the highest number of most relevant hits: "There hasn't been time for a critical mass of people to link to their book URLs [which is essential for PageRank to work]." __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From alexander.johannesen at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 21:56:05 2005 From: alexander.johannesen at gmail.com (Alexander Johannesen) Date: Sun Nov 6 21:56:11 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A common filesystem framework Message-ID: Folks, Over the years I've developed my own handy-dandy filesystem structure which I've used in various places I've worked, with great results in terms of reuse of data, tools and ideas. I'd like to discuss with you if this is something we should try to formalise and perhaps test out, in the hope of pushing better sharing of ideas and projects and development around. It is quite simple; it's a way to structure some directories (with conventions), and a way to name files within specific parts of that structure, not unlike the way a Java J2EE app has a set of file and directory conventions to make it go, or the *nix filesystems, or any other similar filesystem structuring to gain intrisit knowledge. Kevin Clarke mentioned that the folks at http://www.ockham.org/ have done something similar, so I guess this is as much a question for them as for anyone else. Anyway, let me know if there is any interest in a common filesystem structure to help us in sharing projects, libraries and data. Regards, Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Nov 7 09:04:53 2005 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Nov 7 09:04:43 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5164E56E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Is everyone forgetting it is a beta? Don't expect too much from it. Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Peter Morville > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:32 PM > To: 'Norma Hewlett'; Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > > If you do an advanced Google Print search on "dressage" [title search] > you'll see they have not yet indexed any books with > "dressage" in the title. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Nov 7 09:41:59 2005 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Mon Nov 7 09:42:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5164E56E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C5164E56E@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <436F67B7.2000808@ohiolink.edu> Drew, Bill wrote: > Is everyone forgetting it is a beta? Don't expect too much from it. > Google uses the term "beta" in a way that must make sense to them, but which is nothing like the traditional notion of beta testing. Google Mail, Google Desktop, Google Talk, and Google Scholar are all still labelled as betas; Google Maps was up for ages before they took the beta tag off. They don't make these services publicly available before they work the way Google considers finished. BTW, hasn't Google Scholar shown that PageRank inherently favors older material, since new content will always have the "people haven't made links yet" problem? -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Nov 7 11:48:16 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Nov 7 11:48:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c5e3bb$0d984680$6401a8c0@venus> > For searching books -- if someone seeks a book that's relevant on a > particular topic -- a provider that searches really good metadata may > deliver a much more useful service than one that indexes the full text > of the book. I think it's the combination of the two types of search--baggy (search-based) and skin-tight (metadata-based)--that is most effective and most likely to help repair the search where the user seeks X but uses term Y. As Rich seems to suggest, this is something Amazon appears to grasp better than Google, where search is uber alles. I'm surprised Google is so resolutely anti-metadata. I wonder if part of their strategy isn't simply being so overwhelmingly the one true search experience that widespread information-seeking behaviors are forced to adjust to how they organize the world. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From michele.haytko at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 14:23:55 2005 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Mon Nov 7 14:24:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ER Lab/Comp Lab Mission Statements Message-ID: <15e475fa0511071123q5230bf8cj@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! Does anyone have mission statements for their Electronic Resources/Computer Labs? We are in the process of creating ours. Many thanks, ~michele -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County- Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi From ksclarke at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 14:28:46 2005 From: ksclarke at gmail.com (Kevin S. Clarke) Date: Mon Nov 7 14:28:50 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A common filesystem framework In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3557b8d0511071128s2ff384d5sf019e5de04620817@mail.gmail.com> My understanding is that Ockham is more at the services level rather than at the filesystem level, but I think the goal might be the same. That said, I only have a basic understanding of Ockham's goals so I'd be interested in hearing this answer too. I will be at an Ockham BOF later today so might learn something there which I could contribute... :-) Kevin On 11/6/05, Alexander Johannesen wrote: > Folks, > > Over the years I've developed my own handy-dandy filesystem structure > which I've used in various places I've worked, with great results in > terms of reuse of data, tools and ideas. I'd like to discuss with you > if this is something we should try to formalise and perhaps test out, > in the hope of pushing better sharing of ideas and projects and > development around. > > It is quite simple; it's a way to structure some directories (with > conventions), and a way to name files within specific parts of that > structure, not unlike the way a Java J2EE app has a set of file and > directory conventions to make it go, or the *nix filesystems, or any > other similar filesystem structuring to gain intrisit knowledge. > > Kevin Clarke mentioned that the folks at http://www.ockham.org/ have > done something similar, so I guess this is as much a question for them > as for anyone else. > > Anyway, let me know if there is any interest in a common filesystem > structure to help us in sharing projects, libraries and data. > > > Regards, > > Alex > -- > "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." > - Frank Herbert > __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From hewlett at usfca.edu Mon Nov 7 17:44:08 2005 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Norma Hewlett) Date: Mon Nov 7 17:44:16 2005 Subject: Fwd: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print Message-ID: > "There hasn't been time for a critical mass of people > to link to their book URLs [which is essential for > PageRank to work]." This makes sense. Also, I think part of my problem was the search term I used. "Dressage" usually works well for testing web search engines, but I wouldn't expect large academic or urban public libraries to have many books on it. Perhaps GooglePrint's scanned books just didn't include any dressage manuals, and that was why none came up. Since posting my earlier comments, I've tried more academic searches such as "Kenya Aids" and gotten better results. However, there still seems to be no rhyme or reason as to the usefulness of each book. Jean Hewlett University of San Francisco ----- Original Message ----- From: Marion Sumerianlibrarian Date: Saturday, November 5, 2005 8:59 pm Subject: Fwd: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > this is the most significant point and would, so to > speak, result in the highest number of most relevant > hits: > > "There hasn't been time for a critical mass of people > to link to their book URLs [which is essential for > PageRank to work]." > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From alexander.johannesen at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 17:59:58 2005 From: alexander.johannesen at gmail.com (Alexander Johannesen) Date: Mon Nov 7 18:00:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] A common filesystem framework In-Reply-To: <3557b8d0511071128s2ff384d5sf019e5de04620817@mail.gmail.com> References: <3557b8d0511071128s2ff384d5sf019e5de04620817@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, The background for the filesystem-based structure is what's come out of me working for the National Library of Australia, although it has nothing library specific about it. Basically, there are pre- and post processes we do with our data, such as converting to and fro various formats, analysing them, indexing, filtering and so forth, and quite often, because all or most of our tools exsist outside of databases, the filesystem is the place to be. (I've written some more rationale for the use of filesystems instead of RDBMS's, but that sort of formality is a banality in a forum such as this ... :) ******** The gist of it is three main directories, where 'apps' and 'libs' are a shared space for various tools, applications and reusable libraries, and a 'data' directory is a shared space with a special meaning ; /apps /libs /data The data directory can contain as many subdirectories as you want, with the constraint that each of them is a data-set, so for example for a data-set that consist of records of childrens literature, it might look like ; /data/childrenslit Also in the data directory is a configuration file called config.xml, and you register your apps, libs and data-sets in it, although only the data-set registration is mandatory ; Each data-set's id is the name of the directory it resides in, and you specify what schemas you can expect to find in that structure ; The example above would specify a data-set where we can read and write MARC records, but only read MARC 21 XML, a typical MARC to MARC XML conversion. We can also see that for each record we can expect one MARC file and one MARC XML file. If there is discrepencies, we know what tools to call to do a conversion if a new record has been popped into the structure. Any tool that wants to work on this data-set know what parts of the data-set they can read, write and update. (I'm sure better concurrency information could be thought of) Next is the structure of the data-set directory itself. If we go back to our previous example ; /childrenslit The tree-structured dirindex is required from this directory and three levels deep. Each record is in the format [id].[schema].[extension]. An example for a MARC XML record with id '676732a' ; /childrenslit/a/a2/a23/676732a.marc21.xml Notice the reverse order for the id directory structure; most id's are rightly bound to uniqueness / traffic, so just a pragmatic choice. There is no requirement to create a tree-structured dirindex for all possible combinations, only those who will be filled with actual records. If a directory becomes empty at a later stage, that directory can also be deleted. (There is here also the possibility to create a file index definition file, but I'll hold this off until needed; file structure traversing is more a configuration issue than a technical one) How it is supposed to work -------------------------------- I can have different apps that looks at the same data-set to do various things to it. For example, here are two apps that use the same data-set ; Converts MARC to MARC XML Indexes MARC XML Both applications knows from the config.xml file who does what, and we can write reactors to data added, updated or deleted in a given schema. The idea from here is that we simply can exchange apps and libs and point to what data-set we want them to work with. If an app has support for a few good schemas, it would be a simple matter of plonking it it, update config.xml, and then run it. By this I could share with you for example the XPF framework to create a Topic Maps website from any data-set (MARX XML, Topic Maps, RDF, RSS, DocBook and a few other schemata), the Phonto tool (automatic ontology extraction and analysis tool) and a host of XSLT libraries for various conversions. Imagine next the creation of lexical parsers, AI tools, data-set to SemWeb bridges, and so forth, easily shared. I have some data-sets, you have others, and often sharing these are restricted, so let's share tools that read the same structures, on the path to world domination. Anyways, that's the basic idea, in no ways exhaustive terms. Any thoughts? Regards, Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Nov 7 18:51:57 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Nov 7 18:52:05 2005 Subject: Fwd: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e201c5e3f6$3db10b00$6401a8c0@venus> > Since posting my earlier comments, I've tried more academic searches > such as "Kenya Aids" and gotten better results. However, there still > seems to be no rhyme or reason as to the usefulness of each book. How is that different from any catalog? Or perhaps I'm not understanding the question? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From jenne.heise at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 12:27:23 2005 From: jenne.heise at gmail.com (Jennifer Heise) Date: Tue Nov 8 12:27:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: <001b01c5e3bb$0d984680$6401a8c0@venus> References: <001b01c5e3bb$0d984680$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <28eeb86b0511080927h6059cc3al4095f61c9b8175a9@mail.gmail.com> Hm... We've got a pretty good handle on producing metadata for books in our profession. Why should Google try to reproduce a service that does what we as libraries and librarians do? Subject searching, for instance, has never been a strong suit of ISI's citation indexes, or Lexis-Nexis. And sometimes we find that frustrating. But still, if we want metadata-based searching, shouldn't we be going to the experts on metadata rather than the experts on link-based relevance searching? -- Jenne Heise On 11/7/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > > For searching books -- if someone seeks a book that's relevant on a > > particular topic -- a provider that searches really good metadata may > > deliver a much more useful service than one that indexes the full text > > of the book. > > I think it's the combination of the two types of search--baggy > (search-based) and skin-tight (metadata-based)--that is most effective and > most likely to help repair the search where the user seeks X but uses term > Y. As Rich seems to suggest, this is something Amazon appears to grasp > better than Google, where search is uber alles. > > I'm surprised Google is so resolutely anti-metadata. I wonder if part of > their strategy isn't simply being so overwhelmingly the one true search > experience that widespread information-seeking behaviors are forced to > adjust to how they organize the world. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Nov 8 12:49:40 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Nov 8 12:50:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: <28eeb86b0511080927h6059cc3al4095f61c9b8175a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002c01c5e48c$cbce5aa0$6401a8c0@venus> > Hm... We've got a pretty good handle on producing metadata for books in > our > profession. Why should Google try to reproduce a service that does what we > as libraries and librarians do? Subject searching, for instance, has never > been a strong suit of ISI's citation indexes, or Lexis-Nexis. And > sometimes > we find that frustrating. But still, if we want metadata-based searching, > shouldn't we be going to the experts on metadata rather than the experts > on > link-based relevance searching? I think Jennifer and I are on the same page... (so to speak!). If a bibliographic item already has the metadata, why not use it in Google Print? Though then the argument would be that all items need good metadata... and Google's approach is that everything can be solved through search... which would mean either automated metadata (which has got to be within a leap of what they're doing) or something beyond metadata that enriches retrieval. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 13:03:50 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Tue Nov 8 13:05:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: <002c01c5e48c$cbce5aa0$6401a8c0@venus> References: <28eeb86b0511080927h6059cc3al4095f61c9b8175a9@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c5e48c$cbce5aa0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: To put it a different way, Google has a great deal of faith in robots AND in search. Look at Google News. Though I've seen some evidence that Google News co-operates with some major news sources to get direct feeds, by and large the crawler screen scrapes, and an index decides what becomes headlines based on how many news sources cover the same story. So gathering, indexing, ranking, AND searching are all done roboticly. Google's approach is never to do by hand what a robot can do well enough. Down the road, you've got to believe that Google Print (and its competitors at Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft, Europe, etc.) will take direct feeds of book content and metadata (such as it is) from publishers. For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to ask if Google Print fully exploits the existing catalog records for each book out of the cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as much money on an original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So the manual labor has already been paid for by the libraries themselves. (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an incredibly good deal.) /rich On 11/8/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > > > I think Jennifer and I are on the same page... (so to speak!). If a > bibliographic item already has the metadata, why not use it in Google > Print? > Though then the argument would be that all items need good metadata... and > Google's approach is that everything can be solved through search... which > would mean either automated metadata (which has got to be within a leap of > what they're doing) or something beyond metadata that enriches retrieval. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu Tue Nov 8 13:43:28 2005 From: bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu (bpulliam@postoffice.providence.edu) Date: Tue Nov 8 13:43:32 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] REMINDER: November 11 deadline to register for NEASIST Hacks and Social Software programs Message-ID: <200511081843.jA8IhS609926@postoffice.providence.edu> Pardon any cross postings... REMINDER: Register for NEASIST Hacks and Social software and community blogging programs by Friday, November 11! (Online registration is highly encouraged) November 15 program: Buy, Hack, or Build: Optimizing your Systems for Your Users and Your Sanity Tuesday, 15 November 2005, 9:45am-4pm (registration/breakfast 8:30-9:45am) E15-070 (Bartos Theater) MIT, Cambridge, MA $60 ASIST Members - $80 Non-Members - $40 Student/Retiree/Between Jobs (Continental Breakfast and Lunch and refreshments included) Program info and registration: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20051115.html We appreciate the support of O'Reilly Media and their generous contribution of a recent book from their "Hacks" series for each participant. (http://hacks.oreilly.com/) and November 18 evening program: Social Software, Libraries, and the Communities that (could) Sustain Them with Steven Cohen Friday, 18 November 2005, 6-8pm (registration/networking reception 5:30p-6:15p) 10-105 (Vannevar Bush Room) MIT, Cambridge, MA $25 ASIST Members - $35 Non-Members - $15 Student/Retiree/Between Jobs (includes hot apps and adult beverages) LIMITED SPACE. Program info and registration: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20051118.html Want to attend both programs? Save $$$ by registering for both programs now! http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/discount.html. Questions: bpulliam@providence.edu We hope you will join us!! Beatrice Pulliam Chair, ASIST New England --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From morville at semanticstudios.com Tue Nov 8 14:32:39 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:33:02 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] User Interfaces for Physical Spaces Message-ID: This upcoming workshop, co-sponsored by the IA Institute and MAYA Design explores the redesign of the Carnegie Library across physical and digital domains: http://www.maya.com/web/what/what_sightings_events.mtml If you can't make it to the workshop, I recommend: http://www.peterme.com/archives/000638.html (summary by Peter Merholz) http://www.maya.com/web/what/presentations/maya_clp_goel_ap_uew05_s.pdf (12 MB PDF) In my opinion, the PDF is well worth the download. Cheers! Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org From Ken.Varnum at tufts.edu Tue Nov 8 14:56:14 2005 From: Ken.Varnum at tufts.edu (Ken Varnum) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:56:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Urchin -- User experiences Message-ID: Does anyone have any experience setting up and running Urchin (http:// urchin.sourceforge.net/)? What I'm trying to do is generate 'metafeeds' -- RSS feeds derived from keyword searches against a set of RSS feeds. Urchin looks like a good match for this, but before I leap into it, I'd like to tap the collective Web4Lib pool of experience. Any comments would be appreciated; I'd be glad to summarize off-list comments and repost if there's interest. Ken ---------- Ken Varnum, IT Manager & Associate Librarian Ginn Library, Fletcher School, Tufts University RSS4Lib -- Innovative Ways Libraries Use RSS http://blogs.fletcher.tufts.edu/rss4lib/ From jevander at mail.umd.edu Tue Nov 8 15:46:31 2005 From: jevander at mail.umd.edu (Janet Evander) Date: Tue Nov 8 15:47:32 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] JOB: Web App Developer (Univ. of MD) Message-ID: <43710EA7.40700@mail.umd.edu> Hi All, I am only the messenger. See contact information at end of announcement. -------------------- University of Maryland Libraries Search Extended TITLE: Web Application Developer CATEGORY: Exempt Staff, Full-Time, Contract Appointment SALARY: Commensurate with qualifications and experience, minimum salary starting at $53,000. Excellent Benefits. The Information Technology Division (ITD) of the University of Maryland Libraries is seeking a service-oriented and innovative individual to work in a team environment. ITD with over 30 IT professionals, provides diverse ITD services to UM Libraries and to the 16 libraries of the University System of Maryland and Affiliated Institutions. The addition of this developer will enable ITD to expand web based services and implement a content management system. This position is a great opportunity for a motivated individual to learn and use new technologies. For more information about the Libraries? Web site see: http://www.lib.umd.edu Responsibilities include: ? Developing web applications ? Developing, acquiring and/or customizing web statistic tools ? Customizing and supporting Web search engine ? Developing and supporting a content management system ? Maintaining and enhancing existing web applications ? Scripting the back end for web forms ? Participating in the administration of the web site and servers ? No supervisory responsibility Qualifications: Required: Bachelor?s degree from an accredited institution. Preferred: Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science or a related field. Experience/Skills: Three years of professional IT experience. One year of design and development of web applications. Experience and knowledge in at least one of the following areas: Perl; PHP; Java/Tomcat. Knowledge of HTML/XHTML/CSS. Knowledge of XML/XSLT. Excellent communication skills. Ability to work collaboratively in a team environment. Preferred: One year of professional experience in a unix environment. Knowledge of Web Services (e.g. SOAP). Knowledgeable in Section 508 Web Accessibility standards and W3C Web Standards. Knowledge of MySQL/PostgreSQL. Experience with one or more of the following: Solaris, apache, other programming languages such as python, C/C++, etc. Experience developing/deploying Content Management Software. Experience in academic libraries. Applications: For full consideration, submit cover letter, resume, and names/addresses of three references by December 2, 2005. Applications accepted until position is filled. Send to Ray Foster, Library Personnel Services, McKeldin Library, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742-7011, or e-mail to gfernan1@umd.edu Fax:301-314-9960. State of Maryland Title: Coordinator EEO/AA From Robertson at ADM.NJIT.EDU Tue Nov 8 17:17:00 2005 From: Robertson at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Robertson, James) Date: Tue Nov 8 17:17:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print - perpetual beta Message-ID: All, Tim O'Reilly's excellent article -- What Is Web 2.0 Design Patterns and Business Models for the Next Generation of Software -- talks about "the Perpetual Beta" as a pattern of Web 2.0. He writes: "When devices and programs are connected to the internet, applications are no longer software artifacts, they are ongoing services. Therefore: Don't package up new features into monolithic releases, but instead add them on a regular basis as part of the normal user experience. Engage your users as real-time testers, and instrument the service so that you know how people use the new features." Read at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web- 20.html --Jim Jim Robertson Assistant University Librarian NJIT (New Jersey Institute of Technology) 323 King Blvd., Newark, NJ 07102-1982 973-596-5798 -- james.c.robertson@njit.edu -- www.library.njit.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:42 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Google Print Drew, Bill wrote: > Is everyone forgetting it is a beta? Don't expect too much from it. > From quinn at indexdata.dk Tue Nov 8 22:27:16 2005 From: quinn at indexdata.dk (Sebastian Hammer) Date: Tue Nov 8 22:28:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: <002c01c5e48c$cbce5aa0$6401a8c0@venus> References: <002c01c5e48c$cbce5aa0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <43716C94.9030105@indexdata.dk> K.G. Schneider wrote: >>Hm... We've got a pretty good handle on producing metadata for books in >>our >>profession. Why should Google try to reproduce a service that does what we >>as libraries and librarians do? Subject searching, for instance, has never >>been a strong suit of ISI's citation indexes, or Lexis-Nexis. And >>sometimes >>we find that frustrating. But still, if we want metadata-based searching, >>shouldn't we be going to the experts on metadata rather than the experts >>on >>link-based relevance searching? > > > I think Jennifer and I are on the same page... (so to speak!). If a > bibliographic item already has the metadata, why not use it in Google Print? > Though then the argument would be that all items need good metadata... and > Google's approach is that everything can be solved through search... which > would mean either automated metadata (which has got to be within a leap of > what they're doing) or something beyond metadata that enriches retrieval. I think there is another important reason not to throw away the existing bibliographic metadata. As the shared collection of digitized works grows (and hopefully lots and lots of it *will* be shared), it is eventually going to outpace all but the largest physical research libraries. Curating this collection in a responsible fashion is not trivial. How do you ensure that the right works are digitized (and by what definition of 'right'?). How do you ensure not just that each edition isn't put through the scanning process more often than necessary, but that you digitize all of the editions, imprints, etc., of an interesting work that has some scholarly or archival value? These are all tough questions that people are just beginning to figure out how to answer, and to my mind, the existing bibliographic metadata repositories are some of the best tools we have available to help with that. That's why I think it's so exciting (seriously!) that RLG and others are providing bib records and expertise to the Open Content Alliance and that bibliographic records are being associated with the digitized items from the beginning. --Sebastian > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Sebastian Hammer, Index Data quinn@indexdata.com www.indexdata.com Ph: (603) 209-6853 From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 9 10:52:21 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 9 10:52:33 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c5e545$943da820$6401a8c0@venus> > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to ask if Google > Print > fully exploits the existing catalog records for each book out of the > cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as much money on an > original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So the manual labor > has > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an incredibly good > deal.) If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works well without it, what does that say about the future of the ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its function through AI. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From breynolds at debevoise.com Wed Nov 9 13:03:36 2005 From: breynolds at debevoise.com (Reynolds, Bess) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:05:48 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print NYPL Event November 17 Message-ID: <645BA8058938124AA0D1B342D643D217057D03AD@EXCHANGE.debevoise.net> For those of you on the east coast, tickets are now on sale for an event at the New York Public Library on November 17. http://smarttix.com/show.aspx?showCode=BAT2 "The Battle Over Books" co-sponsored by Wired Magazine and featuring : Allan Adler, Association of American Publishers Chris Anderson, Wired Magazine David Drummond, Google Paul LeClerc & David Ferriero, The New York Public Library Lawrence Lessig, Stanford Law School Nick Taylor, The Authors Guild Bess Reynolds Technical Services Manager Debevoise & Plimpton LLP -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:52 AM To: 'Web4Lib' Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to ask if Google > Print > fully exploits the existing catalog records for each book out of the > cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as much money on an > original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So the manual labor > has > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an incredibly good > deal.) If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works well without it, what does that say about the future of the ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its function through AI. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From brad.eden at unlv.edu Wed Nov 9 13:36:36 2005 From: brad.eden at unlv.edu (brad.eden@unlv.edu) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:36:40 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for articles: 2D and 3D information visualization Message-ID: This is a call for articles dealing with practical and theoretical applications of 2D and 3D information visualization in libraries and library applications. The editors of _Library Hi Tech_ will be publishing a special issue in 2006 devoted to this topic, and are looking for authors who are working with and designing or enabling 2D and 3D information environments or applications for their patrons. OPAC initiatives, library science students and faculty working in this area, innovative applications within patron communities that include the library as a partner are just some of the authors and projects that we are looking for. If you feel that you would like to contribute, please send a short proposal describing what your article will be about to Brad Eden, Associate Editor, _Library Hi Tech_ at brad.eden@unlv.edu. If you would like to run ideas past me at this time, that is OK as well. Deadline for final drafts of articles will be September 1, 2006. Brad Eden, Ph.D. Head, Web and Digitization Services University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries brad.eden@unlv.edu From weibel at oclc.org Wed Nov 9 14:26:43 2005 From: weibel at oclc.org (Weibel,Stu) Date: Wed Nov 9 14:26:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] full text versus metadata Message-ID: <8CC50D49B6828C4FBAB7DA1FCAB0526ABFA118@OAEXCH1SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Karen G. Schneider writes > I think it's the combination of the two types of search--baggy > (search-based) and skin-tight (metadata-based)--that is most effective It strikes me that there is a fair amount of whistling-past-the-graveyard in this notion. Do we actually have any evidence that would lead to these characterizations of "baggy" versus "skin-tight"? Last year someone pointed me to the Red Light Green project, suggesting it was really good and worth a look. I looked. I searched. I repeated my search on Google. The first page of my search on RLG resulted in 20 hits, if memory serves, zero of which were actually relevant to what I was searching for (information on the construction of Japanese lanterns). My Google search resulted in 10 first page hits, 7 of which were apparently relevant and 4 or 5 of which were actually useful in meeting my information need. Now, there are LOTS of possible explanations for this, not all of which lead us inexorably to conclude that the demise of structured metadata is imminent. Having spent the last decade of my professional life flogging the usefulness of structured metadata, my hopes and expectations should be obvious. Might the availability of the two varieties of metadata available for the same set of resources (Google indexing and bibliographic data) afford an excellent laboratory for the exploration of the relative merits of full-text indexing and structured metadata? Yikes... we might actually find out! stu Stuart Weibel OCLC Research http://weibel-lines.typepad.org From suethoma at iusb.edu Wed Nov 9 14:34:51 2005 From: suethoma at iusb.edu (Thomas, Susan Elaine) Date: Wed Nov 9 14:36:14 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System Message-ID: This message comes for the AUTOCAT listserv. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so what actions have you taken, if any? Susan Thomas Head of Collection Development Schurz Library Indiana University South Bend (574) 520-5500 suethoma@iusb.edu I don't know if anyone has been following this, but for those of you who have collections with CDs, be aware that there is a potentially fatal problem with the new anti-piracy software that comes with new Song/BMG titles. These CDs come bundled with their own player, which has to be installed in order for the CD to run. This program then limits the number of copies that can be made from the CD to three. However, in doing this it also installs a rootkit. Rootkits, according to Mark Russinovich, who writes a computer blog, are "cloaking technologies that hide files, Registry keys, and other system objects from diagnostic and security software, and they are usually employed by malware attempting to keep their implementation hidden." What this rootkit does is actually rewrite parts of the code on your OS. Trying to delete these files may cripple your system, and may leave it vulnerable to other viruses and worms that capitalize on security weaknesses in the new code. It may also lead to the "Blue Screen of Death" and potential loss of data. Note that nowhere in the licensing agreement we all click without reading does it say that using the CD will alter your OS or rewrite your computer's code. It is also very hard to get the uninstall program from Sony, and it doesn't seem to work very well if you do get it. The original problem was noted in Russovich's blog: http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-right s.html and its follow-up: http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerous-decloaki ng.html It has also been covered by several news outlets and on it security websites: http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/security/news/article.php/3561181 http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/hackers_raid_so_1.ht ml (this has good links to other ariticles as well) Because libraries buy and circulate CD copies to mulitple users, you may want to take a look at the CDs in your collection and avoid these. Apart from the spyware and privacy aspects, this is potentially a huge security problem, and may actually cause Windows PCs to fail. Caveat emptor. Amanda Sprochi Health Sciences Cataloger J. Otto Lottes Health Sciences Library University of Missouri-Columbia Health Sciences Center One Hospital Drive Columbia, MO 65212 (573) 882-0461 sprochia@health.missouri.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Bess Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:04 PM To: kgs@bluehighways.com; Web4Lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print NYPL Event November 17 For those of you on the east coast, tickets are now on sale for an event at the New York Public Library on November 17. http://smarttix.com/show.aspx?showCode=BAT2 "The Battle Over Books" co-sponsored by Wired Magazine and featuring : Allan Adler, Association of American Publishers Chris Anderson, Wired Magazine David Drummond, Google Paul LeClerc & David Ferriero, The New York Public Library Lawrence Lessig, Stanford Law School Nick Taylor, The Authors Guild Bess Reynolds Technical Services Manager Debevoise & Plimpton LLP -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:52 AM To: 'Web4Lib' Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to ask if Google > Print > fully exploits the existing catalog records for each book out of the > cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as much money on an > original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So the manual labor > has > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an incredibly good > deal.) If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works well without it, what does that say about the future of the ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its function through AI. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 9 16:29:34 2005 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed Nov 9 16:30:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <048301c5e574$ae8c6250$2806010a@scplnet.lib.il.us> I heard about this first on NPR about a week ago. It hasn't been an issue for me - and it won't; I would never (knowingly) allow Sony or anyone else to put rootkit software on a machine under my control. This is one service I will *not* be extending to patrons if I can possible stop it. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, > Susan Elaine > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:35 PM > To: Web4Lib > Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System > > This message comes for the AUTOCAT listserv. Has anyone else > encountered this problem and if so what actions have you > taken, if any? > > Susan Thomas > Head of Collection Development > Schurz Library > Indiana University South Bend > (574) 520-5500 > suethoma@iusb.edu > > > I don't know if anyone has been following this, but for those > of you who have collections with CDs, be aware that there is > a potentially fatal problem with the new anti-piracy software > that comes with new Song/BMG titles. These CDs come bundled > with their own player, which has to be installed in order for > the CD to run. This program then limits the number of copies > that can be made from the CD to three. However, in doing this > it also installs a rootkit. > > Rootkits, according to Mark Russinovich, who writes a > computer blog, are "cloaking technologies that hide files, > Registry keys, and other system objects from diagnostic and > security software, and they are usually employed by malware > attempting to keep their implementation hidden." > What this rootkit does is actually rewrite parts of the code > on your OS. > Trying to delete these files may cripple your system, and may > leave it vulnerable to other viruses and worms that > capitalize on security weaknesses in the new code. It may > also lead to the "Blue Screen of Death" and potential loss of data. > > Note that nowhere in the licensing agreement we all click > without reading does it say that using the CD will alter your > OS or rewrite your computer's code. It is also very hard to > get the uninstall program from Sony, and it doesn't seem to > work very well if you do get it. > > The original problem was noted in Russovich's blog: > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-dig > ital-right > s.html > > and its follow-up: > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerou > s-decloaki > ng.html > > It has also been covered by several news outlets and on it security > websites: > http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/security/news/article.php/3561181 > > http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/hackers_ra > id_so_1.ht > ml > (this has good links to other ariticles as well) > > Because libraries buy and circulate CD copies to mulitple > users, you may want to take a look at the CDs in your > collection and avoid these. Apart from the spyware and > privacy aspects, this is potentially a huge security problem, > and may actually cause Windows PCs to fail. Caveat emptor. > > Amanda Sprochi > Health Sciences Cataloger > J. Otto Lottes Health Sciences Library > University of Missouri-Columbia > Health Sciences Center > One Hospital Drive > Columbia, MO 65212 > (573) 882-0461 > sprochia@health.missouri.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Bess > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:04 PM > To: kgs@bluehighways.com; Web4Lib > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print NYPL Event November 17 > > For those of you on the east coast, tickets are now on sale > for an event at the New York Public Library on November 17. > http://smarttix.com/show.aspx?showCode=BAT2 > > "The Battle Over Books" co-sponsored by Wired Magazine and featuring : > > Allan Adler, Association of American Publishers Chris > Anderson, Wired Magazine David Drummond, Google Paul LeClerc > & David Ferriero, The New York Public Library Lawrence > Lessig, Stanford Law School Nick Taylor, The Authors Guild > > Bess Reynolds > Technical Services Manager > Debevoise & Plimpton LLP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:52 AM > To: 'Web4Lib' > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > > > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to > ask if Google > > Print fully exploits the existing catalog records for each > book out of > > the cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as > much money on > > an original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So > the manual > labor > > has > > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an > incredibly good > > deal.) > > If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me > wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce > this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) > > If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works > well without it, what does that say about the future of the > ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) > > I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its > function through AI. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From weibel at oclc.org Thu Nov 10 09:23:51 2005 From: weibel at oclc.org (Weibel,Stu) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:23:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] full text versus metadata Message-ID: <8CC50D49B6828C4FBAB7DA1FCAB0526AD47B8E@OAEXCH1SERVER.oa.oclc.org> I've had a number of interesting replies to my post on metadata versus full-text retrieval (some on-list, others off). The most interesting idea among them is that of complementarity. Certainly we all agree that Google-like searching is powerful and useful. Our further hope and prejudice is that augmenting it with metadata search will improve retrieval in some use-cases with some resource classes. What are the domains of investigation? A quick list from the top of my head: Nature of metadata - User-created - Library-created versus...? - Richness (MARC...DC...MODS...IEEE-LOM...ONIX...) Nature of resources - Age - Type (books, articles, web resources, collections...) Information use cases - Scholarly - Commercial - End-user medical, legal - Governmental - User-types - ? Anyone remember the TREC effort? http://trec.nist.gov/ Maybe its time for ReMIX: Resource Metadata and IndeXing Experiment - a standard experimental corpus, balanced (whatever that means) and freely available - Indexes and linking information available to all - Metadata available to all - Open-Data repositories for the experimental results In other words, an open-access community based project where the gradual accretion of knowledge on the subject would help us understand the benefits of each mode, and combined modes as well, so as improve retrieval performance over time. stu, who would probably get more eyeballs to his blog if he quoted the correct URL: http://weibel-lines.typepad.COM From peterson at amigos.org Thu Nov 10 16:30:49 2005 From: peterson at amigos.org (Chris Peterson) Date: Thu Nov 10 16:29:55 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Library Technology Position Message-ID: Posted for Texas State Library and Archives Commission: The Texas State Library and Archives Commission is seeking a new Technology Consultant in the Library Development Division. This position provides consulting and training for public, school, and academic librarians across Texas on technology topics including E-rate, Internet, technology policies, TexShare databases, and migration to new integrated automation systems. Consultants receive and provide training on a wide variety of topics. This permanent full-time position is based near the capitol building in beautiful Austin, Texas. MLS required; starting salary range is $3441-3800 per month. For more information please visit http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/jobs/LibraryTechnologyCon.html. Christine Peterson Continuing Education Librarian, Technology Amigos Library Services, Inc. 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 1-800-843-8482 ext: 2891 512-671-1580 (direct) 512-671-1580 (fax) www.amigos.org peterson@amigos.org From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 10 16:50:39 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Thu Nov 10 16:50:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The Future of Libraries (DaVinci Institute) Message-ID: Curious to see what others think... >From the DaVinci Institute: "We have put together ten key trends that are affecting the development of the next generation library. Rest assured that these are not the only trends, but ones that have been selected to give clear insight into the rapidly changing technologies and equally fast changing mindset of library patrons." Text at: http://www.davinciinstitute.com/page.php?ID=120 Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From f-cervone at northwestern.edu Thu Nov 10 15:41:15 2005 From: f-cervone at northwestern.edu (H. Frank Cervone) Date: Thu Nov 10 16:56:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Editor of Technology Electronic Reviews (TER) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051110143047.02b58728@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Posted on behalf of the LITA Publication Committee (please excuse duplication and cross-postings). Please do not respond to me, please respond to Terry Nikkel, Head, Library Systems, Dalhousie University Libraries at Terry.Nikkel@Dal.Ca Editor of Technology Electronic Reviews (TER) Job Description 08 November 2005 Responsibilities * Oversees all aspects of the production of TER, including content, form, design, marketing, and publication and distribution * Chairs the TER Editorial Board which meets in person at ALA Annual and Midwinter meetings, and conducts business through e-mail * Develops new directions for the publication * Publicizes and markets TER within and outside LITA * Maintains sufficient numbers of reviews and commentary to publish monthly issues on average * Coordinates the activities of the Production Editor, Publisher/Creator Relations Editor, Reviewer Relations Editor, and Index Editors * Ongoing monitoring of the publication * Makes new appointments to the Editorial Board as needed (maximum of two, two-year terms) and reports them to the LITA Office * The editor attends the LITA Publications Committee meetings at Midwinter and ALA Annual Conferences, and reports on TER activities Qualifications * A record of publications * At least one year of previous editing experience with professional/scholarly material * LITA member (can join if not already a member) * Familiarity with LITA structure, IGs, and programs * Familiarity with telecommunications, networking and current Web technologies Term * Three years (renewable once) Compensation * $1,500 annual stipend or travel expenses up to $1,500 * Complimentary registration to Midwinter and Annual American Library Association meetings TER Information Technology Electronic Reviews (TER) is an irregular electronic serial publication of the Library and Information Technology Association, a division of the American Library Association, 50 E. Huron St., Chicago, IL 60611. The primary function of TER is to provide reviews of and pointers to a variety of print and electronic resources about information technology. Resources include books, articles, serials, discussion lists, training materials, bibliographies, and other items of interest to librarians and information technology professionals. The topics covered may include, but are not limited to, networking technologies and standards; hardware and software; operating systems; databases; specific programming languages; management tools and utilities; technical project management; training and personnel issues; library perspectives; and research and development. Application procedure Send letter of application, resume, and three references by December 2, 2005 to: Terry Nikkel Head, Library Systems, Dalhousie University Libraries Terry.Nikkel@Dal.Ca Selected candidates will be interviewed by telephone in mid-to late-December, or early January, depending on availability of search committee and candidates. The appointment will begin following the 2006 ALA Annual Meeting. Frank Cervone Assistant University Librarian for Information Technology Northwestern University 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 847.491.8304 From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 20:55:43 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:55:45 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "Ask a Librarian" role: popularity, questions, benefits, costs Message-ID: Dear Web4libers, An old friend writes a column on computing for AARP. He's doing a piece on "Ask a Librarian" services. Gabe is a thoughtful fellow and will treat your thoughts and remarks with care. Here is his author's query: Rich, thanks for forwarding this to the list you suggested. I'm writing an article for AARP's Computers and technology Web site, http://www.aarp.org/computers, about the blossoming "Ask a librarian" services popping up everywhere. The services seem great, comprehensive, free, and very useful. I'm chatting with a couple very helpful librarians about this; I thought getting comments from more people would broaden my perspective. So I'm interested in hearing from the library/librarian community on this -- what's led/leading to its popularity, the sort of questions people pose, whether it increases/decreases librarian workload, how libraries deal with questions from people outside their service area, how it's supported financially, and (especially) any tips for people to use it effectively? Also, do you know of articles published on the service? Thanks... From bstubbs at rci.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 10 21:45:05 2005 From: bstubbs at rci.rutgers.edu (Brian Stubbs) Date: Thu Nov 10 21:47:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "Ask a Librarian" role: popularity, questions, benefits, costs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437405B1.6020908@rci.rutgers.edu> As a non-librarian staff-member(who answers Ask-A-Librarian questions), I can say that it's a great supplement to our existing informational services. Ask-A-Librarian services seem to be able to either increase or decrease the workload of library personnel, depending on how much the service is used and how well the flow of questions and answers are managed. The system at Rutgers University used to make use of listservs; if you were on the Ask-A-Librarian team, you'd get every single AAL question, every day, regardless of whether it was your assigned day to answer questions. Even if it was your day to answer questions, you'd still have to open and read every email, to determine if the question fell within your area of expertise to answer (Reference/Research, Archives, Circulation, User Privileges, Interlibrary Loan, etc.). Because of this, some questions could get double-answered, while others could fall through the cracks. This system was fine when the service was introduced, but had difficulties scaling up as more people began to use our Ask-A-Librarian online resource. Last year, our AAL coordinator and web development staff teamed up to create a web portal for managing our AAL questions. Each person on the AAL team has an account, and simply goes to a website to sign in. Once signed in, they can " View Open Requests", "View Claimed Requests" and "View Completed Requests". Open requests are shown in truncated form, with the patron's name, subject line, and first line or two of their question. This usually makes it possible to determine if the question falls within our sphere. Questions are checked off, then "Claimed". Once claimed, a question is tied to a particular librarian/staff until a reply has been sent. The portal includes macros to fill in frequently used answers, and also sends a copy of our reply back to our staff email address. Because questions stay in "Open Requests" until they are claimed, and in "Claimed Requests" until they are answered, it is now much easier to do clean-up on unanswered questions. Also, because requests are now claimed on a question-by-question basis, duplicate (perhaps contradictory!) answers are rare. Finally, the web portal allows our coordinator to track our AAL statistics; Number of requests, speed of responses, percent increase/decrease, etc. This lets us see, in more concrete terms, where our successes are with the program and where perhaps we can improve further. The difference with the new web-managed site has been amazing. It reduces the amount of excess mail in each team member's inbox, and allows us to much more efficiently answer the questions that our patrons ask us. Because our AAL submission is also via a webform, linked from our libraries home page, we are also frequently fielding questions from faraway patrons who otherwise would have to travel here, or pay for long-distance phone charges AND calculate to make certain that they are calling during business hours. Best of luck with your article. Richard Wiggins wrote: > Dear Web4libers, > An old friend writes a column on computing for AARP. He's doing a piece on > "Ask a Librarian" services. Gabe is a thoughtful fellow and will treat your > thoughts and remarks with care. > Here is his author's query: > Rich, thanks for forwarding this to the list you suggested. > > I'm writing an article for AARP's Computers and technology Web site, > http://www.aarp.org/computers, about the blossoming "Ask a librarian" services > popping up everywhere. The services seem great, comprehensive, free, and > very useful. > > I'm chatting with a couple very helpful librarians about this; I thought > getting comments from more people would broaden my perspective. > > So I'm interested in hearing from the library/librarian community on this -- > what's led/leading to its popularity, the sort of questions people pose, > whether it increases/decreases librarian workload, how libraries deal with > questions from people outside their service area, how it's supported > financially, and (especially) any tips for people to use it effectively? > Also, do you know of articles published on the service? > > Thanks... > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- Brian Stubbs Supervisor II, Alexander Library Access Services Dept, Rutgers University Libraries From gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us Fri Nov 11 10:34:01 2005 From: gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us (Gillian Wiseman) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:34:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "Ask a Librarian" role: popularity, questions, bene fits, costs Message-ID: <30E92055125F674FA2690338CFE2772103E68015@wacont.cow.local> Our "ask a librarian" service is a simple e-mail link on the website. It is used lightly (about 8-10 questions per month). All questions are directed to me, and I forward them to the appropriate person/department. About 1/2 the questions are genealogical in nature; most of these are from non-local patrons. We handle them exactly as if the patron were local - they are passed on to genealogy volunteers and are generally answered within a week or so. Reference questions I usually answer myself within a few hours to a day of receiving. Most are local, often from regular/repeat patrons. Occasionally I pass a subject-specific question on to another librarian with expertise in the area. Non-local questions get treated identically, although if I KNOW a patron isn't local it helps to prevent me suggesting they come down to the library in person! A few questions are circulation-related (overdues, renewal requests, etc...) and I forward those to the circ department. We have no special funding, and it is a minimal increase in workload, if any. Most of these questions would arrive in the form of telephone calls if e-mail was not available. The best user tips are the common sense ones; make sure to send your name and phone number or address or both with your request, especially if you are asking for photocopies of information. Re-read your requests for clarity. No matter how "appealing" you think it is, don't send your request in 12 point cursiva font in hot pink on a pale blue background - make it easy for the librarian by using plain text. Photo scans are fine, if they relate to your request (ie you want something identified). Don't badger the librarian for a response - some things take a few days. Then again, if you don't hear back within a week, drop a polite reminder off - sometimes things get forgotten. Hope this helps, Gillian Wiseman Electronic Resources Librarian Waco-McLennan County Library gwiseman@ci.waco.tx.us So I'm interested in hearing from the library/librarian community on this -- what's led/leading to its popularity, the sort of questions people pose, whether it increases/decreases librarian workload, how libraries deal with questions from people outside their service area, how it's supported financially, and (especially) any tips for people to use it effectively? Also, do you know of articles published on the service? Thanks... _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From gerrymck at iastate.edu Fri Nov 11 15:01:53 2005 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Fri Nov 11 15:02:07 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Scholarly Tagging in Institutional Repositories Message-ID: *** Apologies for Receipt of Duplicate Postings *** Scholarly Tagging in Institutional Repositories In a recent posting, I asked for Any and All current or planned initiatives that involve the Folksonomic Tagging of **Scholarly** articles, preprints, manuscripts, documents, or Other Publications by **Readers**. [ http://mail.asis.org/pipermail/sig-bwp/2005-November/000046.html ]. To complement my Scholarly Tagging review, I would most appreciate learning about Any and All current or planned initiatives that enable the Tagging of Institutional Repository Contents by *Readers*. BTW: I plan to post a summary of MyFindings by December 1st. Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From edward.vielmetti at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 23:50:37 2005 From: edward.vielmetti at gmail.com (Edward Vielmetti) Date: Sun Nov 13 23:50:40 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] SE Michigan inter-library loan system down because of hackers In-Reply-To: <343d89550511131944x3beb3340ubb59915d76b1012b@mail.gmail.com> References: <343d89550511131944x3beb3340ubb59915d76b1012b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <343d89550511132050o7e95feefq6cbabb9bd962b652@mail.gmail.com> SE Michigan has had an interlibrary loan system called MiLE, run by The Library Network. It was good, albeit a tad clumsy to use, because it meant you could request books from other libraries without filling out paper forms or emailing a librarian. The Ann Arbor interlibary loan system has been switched back to manual processing instead of automatic patron-initiated, but I didn't realize until Deborah Fisch told me tonight that the system had been hacked (and was not expected to be recoverable! yikes). I wrote up a little bit about what I could find here http://vielmetti.typepad.com/vacuum/2005/11/interlibrary_lo.html & will fill in the blanks with any details. It was nice to be able to MILE books - even though the UI was really bad - because it greatly increased the chance that some obscure book could be in my hands in under a week. thanks Ed -- Edward Vielmetti in Ann Arbor, MI 48104 +1 734 276 5910 edward.vielmetti@gmail.com http://www.vacuumgroup.com From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Mon Nov 14 11:20:05 2005 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Mon Nov 14 11:20:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] JOB: Editor, Library Journal Message-ID: <4C441402-5F2A-42C7-9CC9-63DE9C8C0013@ucop.edu> Forwarded on behalf of Francine Fialkoff, . Roy Editor, Technology, Library Journal. Creative, innovative editor to be primary conduit between tech world and leading NY-based publication in the library field. Propose, assign, and edit tech features and columns for magazine and supplements. Write articles and news on tech developments, be liaison with vendors and librarians, coordinate tech blog and other web efforts. Collaborative, congenial environment. Prefer 3 years experience working in a library and an understanding of library technology and broader tech world, OR related experience. Proven editing and/or writing/ reporting ability or predilection. Knowledge of blogs, webcasts, and other communication technologies. Please send resume, salary history and requirements to fialkoff@reedbusiness.com Francine Fialkoff Editor, Library Journal 646 746 6807 fialkoff@reedbusiness.com From andrewc at vicnet.net.au Mon Nov 14 18:03:46 2005 From: andrewc at vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Mon Nov 14 18:04:03 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google and multilingual searches. Message-ID: <437917D2.60907@vicnet.net.au> Hi, a few discusison groups and blogs have been discussing Google and its lack of performance in soem languages. Google has an Amharic language interface, and a Khmer language interface has been under development. Which would at face value imply that you could use Google to search for websites in those languages. Some of the discussions indicate that it is impossible to actually find websites using search terms in Khmer (http://groups.google.com/group/khoogle/) or Amharic (http://www.bytelevel.com/blog/archives/000679.html). What is worth noting is that Google has indexed sites that contain Khmer and Amharic unicode content, but it is not possible to search for that content. I'm curious, has anyone else had problems with other languages when searching Google? I'm aware of the issues with Vietnamese due to Google not using Unicode Normalization, and the completely different result sets that you will get depending on which keyboard layout or input software you use to type your query. Interestingly, Yahoo, which hasn't as many interface translations as Google seems to be some what better behaved with respect to multilingual searches. if anyone ahs any further information on this problem, I'd appreciate the information. Andrew -- Andrew Cunningham e-Diversity and Content Infrastructure Solutions Public Libraries Unit, Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia andrewc+AEA-vicnet.net.au Ph. 3-8664-7430 Fax: 3-9639-2175 http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.libraries.vic.gov.au/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/ From brad.eden at unlv.edu Tue Nov 15 10:01:34 2005 From: brad.eden at unlv.edu (brad.eden@unlv.edu) Date: Tue Nov 15 10:32:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] UNLV Libraries launches "Before Gaming: Celebrating Las Vegas' Centennial 1905-2005" Message-ID: UNLV Libraries launches "Before Gaming: Celebrating Las Vegas' Centennial 1905-2005" The UNLV Libraries has designed a concise collection of digital photographs that feature some of the earliest pictures available of Las Vegas. Many of these 37 photographs are from the private collections of families who arrived in Las Vegas around the time of its incorporation in 1905: Helen Stewart, Walter Bracken, William Ferron, Ed Von Tobel, and Fred and Maurine Wilson. A short narrative is provided to assist in browsing the collection, and/or the digital exhibit can be searched by prearranged topics. The collection can be accessed at http://www.library.unlv.edu/centennial, and is designed to supplement the Early Las Vegas project at http://www.library.unlv.edu/early_las_vegas/index.html. Questions and comments can be sent to Dr. Peter Michel, Director, Special Collections at peter.michel@unlv.edu. From bennetttm at appstate.edu Fri Nov 11 14:19:47 2005 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Tue Nov 15 10:33:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "Ask a Librarian" role: popularity, questions, benefits, costs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511111919.47557.bennetttm@appstate.edu> You can read about the background and implementation of ASU's Ask-A-Librarian service in _Database-Driven Web Sites_ published in 2002 by Hawthorne Press and co-published in Internet References Services Quarterly, volume 7, numbers 1/2 2002 with Kristin Antelman as Editor. This implementation has been unchanged just about since it began. From 2000 to 2002 we had over 600 submissions. We now have had over 2400 submissions. Also, last month we added a separate Distance Learning Ask-A-Librarian service and did make some modifications to the system. Because of the chosen software I was able to copy the database table, without the data, to a new table and copy the directory where the Ask-A-Librarian pages are to a new directory and with less than 20 minutes of modifications it was ready for Distance Learning librarians use. The system was modified to email each DL person when a new submission came in. Also in the summary page, where all new submissions are viewed, I added a short summary showing the patron, the responder and the number of submissions from that patron to show others in DL that someone had picked up that question and if another came in from that same patron it may be left for the responder that is already working with that patron. Features include allowing the responder to email anyone in the library for information or assistance, one button click to add to FAQ, view only submissions you have tagged for responding to, and deselect any submissions if you decide someone else should respond to it. The reference librarians are also using a chat service during selected hours. see inline below for answers to your questions. Thomas On Friday 11 November 2005 01:55, Richard Wiggins wrote: > Dear Web4libers, > An old friend writes a column on computing for AARP. He's doing a piece on > "Ask a Librarian" services. Gabe is a thoughtful fellow and will treat your > thoughts and remarks with care. > Here is his author's query: > Rich, thanks for forwarding this to the list you suggested. > > I'm writing an article for AARP's Computers and technology Web site, > http://www.aarp.org/computers, about the blossoming "Ask a librarian" > services popping up everywhere. The services seem great, comprehensive, > free, and very useful. > > I'm chatting with a couple very helpful librarians about this; I thought > getting comments from more people would broaden my perspective. > > So I'm interested in hearing from the library/librarian community on this > -- what's led/leading to its popularity, ease of use from any web browser and prompt replies I expect. > the sort of questions people pose, All kinds indicated in ( ) is the affiliation from a drop down list : - hello, I am actually a graduate student at FSU in Maryland. I while back I was sent a thesis from your school and I never wrote down the total page numbers from... (student) -I would like a a transcript of a UNC-TV program called "NC People" on Nov 4, 2005 and Nov 6, 2005... (distance learner) -Can I check out a book though I don't attent ASU? Can I use your library at all? (distance learner) -I was wondering if I could recieve a inter library lone for the followoing Journal ... (student) -Cheers! I was wondering if you folks would have any ideas about finding out the acceptance ratio for a refereed publication. The academic journal I'm interested in is Qualitative Inquiry, a Sage publication. I appreciate any guidance you could give. (faculty) -I need help finding a journal source on the chariot and the social revolution it had. I have never used the library before so if you could help me find a journal source that would be much appriciated. (student) -I was wondering if there are still job positions available with flexible hours and if there are how would I go about applying for the job? (student) -I wanted to know if the library is where I can check out a laptop, how long they can be checked out, and if there are any requirements for checking them out. (student) - I was in the library today, August 8 between 10 and 11:30 a.m. I lost a pair of earrings that were in a small plastic bag. They are black and gray metal, sort of modern art looking. Please let me know if these have been turned in. Thank you. (They would most likely have fallen from my pocket near the computer area on first floor or in the ladies rest room on that floor. (alumni) > > whether it increases/decreases librarian workload, most answer these questions during their hours at the reference desk > how libraries deal with > questions from people outside their service area, same as others > how it's supported > financially, state funds, as far as the technical service the only cost was the hardware and paying me ;-) > and (especially) any tips for people to use it effectively? spell correctly > > Also, do you know of articles published on the service? see at top > > Thanks... > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 Please use the Systems Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help All in Systems receive an email with each submission. ==================================================================== From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 15 10:48:41 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 15 10:48:45 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] The Google Story Message-ID: Gary Price mentions a new book about Google in a Search Engine Watch blog entry from yesterday: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/051114-135742 The book is "The Google Story", written by David Vise (a Washington Post business reporter) and Mark Malseed. Gary's posting also provides a link to an excerpt from the book. The Post has also distributed a related item by Vise that's been carried in a number of newspapers. Here it is from the Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3214434 Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From adminops at rohan.sdsu.edu Tue Nov 15 12:22:55 2005 From: adminops at rohan.sdsu.edu (AdminOps) Date: Tue Nov 15 12:23:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Position Announcement-San Diego State University Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051115092156.01dd1fb0@rohan.sdsu.edu> Position Announcement: ****************************************************** HEAD OF SPECIAL COLLECTIONS AND UNIVERSITY ARCHIVES San Diego State University Library and Information Access is seeking an energetic, creative, and experienced librarian to direct, organize, manage, coordinate, and administer the collection development, staff, and programs of Special Collections and University Archives. Special Collections houses approximately 37,000 items comprised of rare books and manuscript collections, archives, photographs, art prints, postcards, memorabilia, etchings, and oral histories. The printed collection includes incunabula as well as sixteenth and seventeenth century imprints including material on heraldry, ancient herbal medicine, performing arts, and astronomy. The book collection's strengths include early astronomy, natural history, orchids, printing, fine press and artist's books, science fiction, and works from the collections of Edward Gorey, Art Linkletter and Desi Arnaz. University Archives is the repository for materials documenting the 100+ year history of San Diego State University. Special Collections and University Archives is distinguished for its collections and its support of academic departments and the University's mission. Special Collection provides this support through preservation, public service, and instructional programs, bibliographic access to the collections, and a growing calendar of scholarly meetings and exhibits. The department maintains an active collection development program, receives hundreds of gifts annually, and pursues an energetic development program. As part of the strategic planning process Library and Information Access is exploring the increased use of digital technology and information to support the curriculum, research and scholarship, and facility renovations to provide for the growth and integration of these technologies. Further details about Special Collections and its programs can be found on the department's web page: http://infodome.sdsu.edu/about/depts/spcollections/ Responsibilities The successful candidate will report to the Associate Dean, Library and Information Access and work closely with the Dean on donor relations. The Head of Special Collections and University Archives: * Provides a clear vision and strong leadership that maintains and strengthens the collecting, preservation, and instructional programs; * Ensures timely and effective access to the collections; * Guides programming of special events, meetings, exhibits, and publications; * Advances scholarship via digitization of unique holdings while promoting the continued relevance of the artifacts and of special collections to research and teaching; * Cultivates donors and solicits materials for Special Collections and University Archives; works closely with the Dean, development staff and the Friends of the Library to secure donations; * Develops, implements, and oversees strategy for retention of university records within University Archives. * Supervises Special Collections and University Archives volunteers, staff and student assistants; * Assesses the research potential of the collections; * Implements programs to increase awareness and use of Special Collections among SDSU faculty and students and to the larger research community; * Oversees collection processing, preservation, and digitization; * Provides reference and research instruction to classes on the use of Special Collections; * Participates on library, university, and system-wide committees; * Participates in the governance activities of the Library Faculty. Required Qualifications: * ALA-accredited degree or equivalent foreign degree and a minimum five years post-degree experience working with special collections in an academic or research library; * Demonstrated evidence of leadership; * Evidence of progressively responsible management and supervisory experience and the ability to foster a collaborative and collegial environment; * Successful development/fund raising experience, preferably in an academic or research library; * Demonstrated knowledge of current trends in the creation of digital records for special collections and archival materials; * Excellent oral and written communication skills; * Expertise in the administration of rare book and manuscript collections; * Evidence of a commitment to maintain knowledge of rare books, manuscripts, and archives and ability to apply this knowledge in the planning, evaluation and implementation of new services; * Ability to work successfully with a diverse community of students, staff, faculty, and researchers; * Record of scholarly and professional achievements as well as community service. Preferred Qualifications: * Successful grant writing experience. * Knowledge of language or languages other than English. This is a full-time, twelve month, tenure track faculty position. For an untenured appointment at the Associate level the award of tenure is dependent upon evidence of continuing library service effectiveness, professional growth, and service to the University and the community. Rank of Librarian, starting salary range: $72,912 - $88,056 or Associate Librarian, starting salary range: $57,612 - $80,136. Excellent benefits package, including 24 days annual vacation. San Diego State University is the third largest academic institution in California and the oldest in the region. A part of the California State University system, SDSU serves an ethnically diverse student body of approximately 34,000 students. SDSU, a Title II research-intensive university, offers bachelor's degrees in 81 areas, master's in 72 and joint-doctoral degrees in 16. Its mission is to provide well-balanced, high-quality education for undergraduate and graduate students, and to contribute to knowledge and the solution of problems through excellence and distinction in teaching, research and service. Additional university information is available at http://www.sdsu.edu. Information about the Library and Information Access is at http://infodome.sdsu.edu SDSU is a Title IX, equal opportunity employer and does not discriminate against individuals on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, marital status, age, disability or veteran status, including veterans of the Vietnam era. Send letter of application; resume; and names, postal addresses and e-mail address of five professional references to: . Print version of application packet may be sent to: Helen Henry Director, Administrative Operations Library and Information Access San Diego State University 5500 Campanile Drive San Diego, CA 92182-8050 Please indicate the position for which you are applying. Screening will begin October 31, 2005 and will remain open until the position is filled. From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 15 13:06:35 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:07:07 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google book rentals? Message-ID: Interesting possible development in yesterday's news: http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/14/technology/google_book.reut/?cnn=yes Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From Stacey.Knight at tui.edu Tue Nov 15 14:05:55 2005 From: Stacey.Knight at tui.edu (Knight, Stacey) Date: Tue Nov 15 14:06:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Library relationship with computer services dept Message-ID: <75EA8B6971CDB24AB54AC56B025A6D4B025E70@WREN2.tui-oh.net> Hi, I am trying to find out how other university/college libraries interact with their IT/computer services departments. Our library would like to develop a more collaborative relationship with our computer services department particularly in regards to web design and how technology can be used to improve learner services. My hope is that by presenting some examples of how other academic institutions operate, I can make a stronger case for breaking down some of the structural barriers and the hierarchical culture that currently exists between the two departments. Below are questions that relate to a few of the issues we are currently facing. Any input on these questions or an overview of how your library interacts with computer services would be greatly appreciated. * What kind of control does the library have over their web pages? Maintenance? Developing new content (i.e. tutorials, etc.)? * How are the library web pages maintained? (in-house, CMS) * Does content have to be approved by computer services, a web committee, library webmaster, etc.? * How much control does library staff have over the look and feel of the library web pages? * Does any of the library staff have access to the web server? * Is library staff allowed to install software on their computers? * Does your institution support open source platform/software? * If you have a proxy server (i.e. ezproxy), is it managed by the library or by IT/computer services? * What technology issues does the library handle directly and what must be filtered through IT/computer services? * How responsive is IT/computer services to library requests? If you want to reply to me off list, I can compile the results for the list. Thanks, Stacey L. Knight Research Services and Electronic Resources Librarian Gary Library Vermont College of the Union Institute and University 36 College St. Montpelier, VT 05602 (802) 828-8618 Toll free: (800) 336-6794 stacey.knight@tui.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Nov 15 15:16:30 2005 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:16:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] eBooks Take the Ivory Tower Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C516E8D67@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I posted this short commentary to my blog. Thought people here would like to see my posting. Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 I have just been viewing/listening to the LJ URLearn series: eBooks Take the Ivory Tower. It has been a bit disappointing. I was hoping to see some e-book zealots as part of the panel so that we could get some idea on how they view the future of ebooks. The panel did not provide a good range in size of academic libraries. Also, the presentation was too slow and lacked any real interactivity except for posting questions answered at the end. There was too much spent on costs and not enough on users. There was not any mention of Project Gutenberg titles at all nor any mention of using such software as Dspace to mount ebooks. There were many interesting ideas discussed but still a lack of controversy or thinking outside of the box. Recording of the webinar will be available at http://www.libraryjournal/learn tomorrow. -- Posted by Bill Drew to Baby Boomer Librarian at 11/15/2005 03:11:32 PM From gerrymck at iastate.edu Tue Nov 15 15:46:37 2005 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:46:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Local Implementations of Connotea? Message-ID: Colleagues/ To complement my review on "Scholarly Tagging" [ http://mail.asis.org/pipermail/sig-bwp/2005-November/000046.html ] [ http://lists.openlib.org/pipermail/oai-eprints/2005-November/000267.html ], I would be most interested in learning of Any and All _local_ installations and implementations of the Connotea, "the free online reference management service for scientists" [ http://www.connotea.org/ ]. The Connotea Code [ http://www.connotea.org/code ] is available under the GNU General Public License through SourceForge [ http://sourceforge.net/projects/connotea ]. BTW: In September, Connotea recently received the Association of Learned and Professional Society Publishers (ALPSP) Award for Publishing Innovation [ http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Science/Connotea_wins_award_for_publishing_innovation_36972.html ] Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Nov 15 17:55:38 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Nov 15 18:16:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Consultant Needed: Search Engineer / Search Engine Architect Message-ID: <007801c5ea37$b3269c00$6401a8c0@venus> Librarians' Internet Index (LII) is looking for a search engineer/search engine architect to consult in the selection and integration of a search tool for their web portal. The search tool will be used for the public LII portal at http://lii.org. The primary goal of this project is to significantly improve the public search experience on LII. LII is a publicly-funded web portal and announcement service featuring over 17,000 high-quality websites that can be searched and browsed through the LII website. The content management system for LII is a web-based application built on the Community Servers platform ( www.communityservers.com ). Responsibilities: . Consultant will utilize his/her strong technical background and excellent interpersonal skills to work with the LII consultants and development team to evaluate and select a search tool that meets the current and future needs of LII. . Consultant will be responsible for analyzing and detailing functional requirements of the search tool, and identifying recommended products. . Consultant will produce and author an RFI for distribution to selected vendors and will work with the development team to evaluate each product. . Once a product has been selected, Consultant will work closely with the development team to implement the search tool, ensuring that all requirements are met and that LII is well-positioned for future development. Requirements: . Search engine design and implementation experience (3-5 years experience) . Strong knowledge about search engine products, solutions, and functionalities currently offered by vendors. . Strong knowledge of Linux/Unix, relational databases (MySQL), and Perl programming. . Experience with search functions including wildcards, nesting, quoted expressions, stemming, relevance ranking, and field ranking. . Experience with query building, Boolean operators, spell check, and indexing. . Experience with user-centered web design and accessibility. . Experience with information architecture techniques, especially developing and leveraging taxonomies. . Excellent analytical, communication and problem-solving skills, with a willingness and ability to work with other consultants and developers. . Ability to work in both a team environment and independently. . Good understanding of development techniques and overall software engineering methodologies. . MLS (Masters in Library Science) a plus. Current technical operating environment for LII . Community Servers software . Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl . Swish-e . Aspell If you are interested: Contact Karen G. Schneider at kgs@lii.org (skype or AIM: liichief) First posted: November 15, 2005 Final enquiries no later than: December 15, 2005 From drweb at san.rr.com Tue Nov 15 18:01:12 2005 From: drweb at san.rr.com (drweb@san.rr.com) Date: Tue Nov 15 18:16:22 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "MICROSOFT ANNOUNCES ACADEMIC RESEARCH FUNDING OPPORTUNITY" Message-ID: <1f73d951f7898e.1f7898e1f73d95@socal.rr.com> "Stolen" from AMIGOS newsletter.. FYI. http://research.microsoft.com/ur/us/fundingopps/RFPs/DigitalInclusion_2005_RFP.aspx 2. MICROSOFT ANNOUNCES ACADEMIC RESEARCH FUNDING OPPORTUNITY As part of its commitment to the academic research community, Microsoft Research has announced a $1.2 million Digital Inclusion funding opportunity designed to empower academic researchers worldwide to tackle technological challenges in a way that positively affects health, education, and socioeconomic conditions. Through a request-for-proposal (RFP) process, Microsoft Research is encouraging academic research that explores how technologies such as, mobile devices, cellular phones, and networking can unlock the potential of people everywhere by making computing affordable, accessible, and relevant. Microsoft Research is particularly interested in academic research projects that strive to achieve fundamental breakthroughs and leverage the following areas: creative new infrastructures, form factors, and applications of mobile devices; connectivity, particularly in environments without existing network infrastructures or with intermittent availability to networking and power; appropriate user interfaces to address challenges in literacy and novice users of technology; and culturally relevant technology applications for computing. The total amount available under the RFP is $1.2 million. Microsoft Research anticipates making 15 to 20 awards in the range of $20,000 to $100,000. Awards under this program are for one year only but may be renewable at the discretion of Microsoft Research. The deadline for receipt of proposals is January 13, 2006. The proposing institution must be an accredited baccalaureate-granting college or university (or international equivalent) with nonprofit status. Proposals should reflect a commitment to make all results stemming from a funded project, including the intellectual property within those results, broadly available in either the public domain or under a non-restrictive license. Complete program information and application guidelines are available at the Microsoft Research website, http://www.research.microsoft.com/. P. Michael McCulley mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ From mwallace at library.unt.edu Tue Nov 15 19:15:59 2005 From: mwallace at library.unt.edu (Martin Wallace) Date: Tue Nov 15 19:17:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System Message-ID: Sony has apparently discontinued this practice and is now recalling all rootkit enabled CDs: http://news.com.com/Sony+recalls+risky+rootkit+CDs/2100-7349_3-5954154.html >>> "Robin Boulton" 11/09/05 3:29 PM >>> I heard about this first on NPR about a week ago. It hasn't been an issue for me - and it won't; I would never (knowingly) allow Sony or anyone else to put rootkit software on a machine under my control. This is one service I will *not* be extending to patrons if I can possible stop it. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, > Susan Elaine > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:35 PM > To: Web4Lib > Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System > > This message comes for the AUTOCAT listserv. Has anyone else > encountered this problem and if so what actions have you > taken, if any? > > Susan Thomas > Head of Collection Development > Schurz Library > Indiana University South Bend > (574) 520-5500 > suethoma@iusb.edu > > > I don't know if anyone has been following this, but for those > of you who have collections with CDs, be aware that there is > a potentially fatal problem with the new anti-piracy software > that comes with new Song/BMG titles. These CDs come bundled > with their own player, which has to be installed in order for > the CD to run. This program then limits the number of copies > that can be made from the CD to three. However, in doing this > it also installs a rootkit. > > Rootkits, according to Mark Russinovich, who writes a > computer blog, are "cloaking technologies that hide files, > Registry keys, and other system objects from diagnostic and > security software, and they are usually employed by malware > attempting to keep their implementation hidden." > What this rootkit does is actually rewrite parts of the code > on your OS. > Trying to delete these files may cripple your system, and may > leave it vulnerable to other viruses and worms that > capitalize on security weaknesses in the new code. It may > also lead to the "Blue Screen of Death" and potential loss of data. > > Note that nowhere in the licensing agreement we all click > without reading does it say that using the CD will alter your > OS or rewrite your computer's code. It is also very hard to > get the uninstall program from Sony, and it doesn't seem to > work very well if you do get it. > > The original problem was noted in Russovich's blog: > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-dig > ital-right > s.html > > and its follow-up: > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerou > s-decloaki > ng.html > > It has also been covered by several news outlets and on it security > websites: > http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/security/news/article.php/3561181 > > http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/hackers_ra > id_so_1.ht > ml > (this has good links to other ariticles as well) > > Because libraries buy and circulate CD copies to mulitple > users, you may want to take a look at the CDs in your > collection and avoid these. Apart from the spyware and > privacy aspects, this is potentially a huge security problem, > and may actually cause Windows PCs to fail. Caveat emptor. > > Amanda Sprochi > Health Sciences Cataloger > J. Otto Lottes Health Sciences Library > University of Missouri-Columbia > Health Sciences Center > One Hospital Drive > Columbia, MO 65212 > (573) 882-0461 > sprochia@health.missouri.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Bess > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:04 PM > To: kgs@bluehighways.com; Web4Lib > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print NYPL Event November 17 > > For those of you on the east coast, tickets are now on sale > for an event at the New York Public Library on November 17. > http://smarttix.com/show.aspx?showCode=BAT2 > > "The Battle Over Books" co-sponsored by Wired Magazine and featuring : > > Allan Adler, Association of American Publishers Chris > Anderson, Wired Magazine David Drummond, Google Paul LeClerc > & David Ferriero, The New York Public Library Lawrence > Lessig, Stanford Law School Nick Taylor, The Authors Guild > > Bess Reynolds > Technical Services Manager > Debevoise & Plimpton LLP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:52 AM > To: 'Web4Lib' > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > > > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to > ask if Google > > Print fully exploits the existing catalog records for each > book out of > > the cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as > much money on > > an original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So > the manual > labor > > has > > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an > incredibly good > > deal.) > > If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me > wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce > this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) > > If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works > well without it, what does that say about the future of the > ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) > > I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its > function through AI. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From rudy.leon at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 11:08:39 2005 From: rudy.leon at gmail.com (Rudy Leon) Date: Wed Nov 16 11:08:42 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f0a5f9f0511160808v29779820nf44aec4006b86d20@mail.gmail.com> Chronicle of Higher Ed Wired Campus Blog picked up a BusinessWeek article highlighting that the software Sony is providing to remove the rootkit causes substantial security risks as well. BusinessWeek Article: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8DT2KF02.htm?campaign_id=apn_tech_down&chan=tc Chronicle blog entry: http://wiredcampus.chronicle.com/2005/11/_dangers_of_lis.html On 11/15/05, Martin Wallace wrote: > Sony has apparently discontinued this practice and is now recalling all > rootkit enabled CDs: > > http://news.com.com/Sony+recalls+risky+rootkit+CDs/2100-7349_3-5954154.html > > > > >>> "Robin Boulton" 11/09/05 3:29 PM >>> > I heard about this first on NPR about a week ago. It hasn't been an > issue > for me - and it won't; I would never (knowingly) allow Sony or anyone > else > to put rootkit software on a machine under my control. This is one > service I > will *not* be extending to patrons if I can possible stop it. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, > > Susan Elaine > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:35 PM > > To: Web4Lib > > Subject: [Web4lib] Sony and Operating System > > > > This message comes for the AUTOCAT listserv. Has anyone else > > encountered this problem and if so what actions have you > > taken, if any? > > > > Susan Thomas > > Head of Collection Development > > Schurz Library > > Indiana University South Bend > > (574) 520-5500 > > suethoma@iusb.edu > > > > > > I don't know if anyone has been following this, but for those > > of you who have collections with CDs, be aware that there is > > a potentially fatal problem with the new anti-piracy software > > that comes with new Song/BMG titles. These CDs come bundled > > with their own player, which has to be installed in order for > > the CD to run. This program then limits the number of copies > > that can be made from the CD to three. However, in doing this > > it also installs a rootkit. > > > > Rootkits, according to Mark Russinovich, who writes a > > computer blog, are "cloaking technologies that hide files, > > Registry keys, and other system objects from diagnostic and > > security software, and they are usually employed by malware > > attempting to keep their implementation hidden." > > What this rootkit does is actually rewrite parts of the code > > on your OS. > > Trying to delete these files may cripple your system, and may > > leave it vulnerable to other viruses and worms that > > capitalize on security weaknesses in the new code. It may > > also lead to the "Blue Screen of Death" and potential loss of data. > > > > Note that nowhere in the licensing agreement we all click > > without reading does it say that using the CD will alter your > > OS or rewrite your computer's code. It is also very hard to > > get the uninstall program from Sony, and it doesn't seem to > > work very well if you do get it. > > > > The original problem was noted in Russovich's blog: > > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-dig > > ital-right > > s.html > > > > and its follow-up: > > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerou > > s-decloaki > > ng.html > > > > It has also been covered by several news outlets and on it security > > websites: > > http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/security/news/article.php/3561181 > > > > http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/hackers_ra > > id_so_1.ht > > ml > > (this has good links to other ariticles as well) > > > > Because libraries buy and circulate CD copies to mulitple > > users, you may want to take a look at the CDs in your > > collection and avoid these. Apart from the spyware and > > privacy aspects, this is potentially a huge security problem, > > and may actually cause Windows PCs to fail. Caveat emptor. > > > > Amanda Sprochi > > Health Sciences Cataloger > > J. Otto Lottes Health Sciences Library > > University of Missouri-Columbia > > Health Sciences Center > > One Hospital Drive > > Columbia, MO 65212 > > (573) 882-0461 > > sprochia@health.missouri.edu > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Bess > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:04 PM > > To: kgs@bluehighways.com; Web4Lib > > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print NYPL Event November 17 > > > > For those of you on the east coast, tickets are now on sale > > for an event at the New York Public Library on November 17. > > http://smarttix.com/show.aspx?showCode=BAT2 > > > > "The Battle Over Books" co-sponsored by Wired Magazine and featuring > : > > > > Allan Adler, Association of American Publishers Chris > > Anderson, Wired Magazine David Drummond, Google Paul LeClerc > > & David Ferriero, The New York Public Library Lawrence > > Lessig, Stanford Law School Nick Taylor, The Authors Guild > > > > Bess Reynolds > > Technical Services Manager > > Debevoise & Plimpton LLP > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:52 AM > > To: 'Web4Lib' > > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print > > > > > For the digitizing project, it seems a fair question to > > ask if Google > > > Print fully exploits the existing catalog records for each > > book out of > > > the cooperating libraries. They say a library spends as > > much money on > > > an original catalog entry as they do to buy most books. So > > the manual > > labor > > > has > > > already been paid for by the libraries themselves. > > > (Hmmm, another way in which Google may be getting an > > incredibly good > > > deal.) > > > > If they are using the human-generated metadata, this makes me > > wonder if Google has a stake in humans continuing to produce > > this metadata? (Put it another way, would Google pay for cataloging?) > > > > > If they aren't using it, and they create a system that works > > well without it, what does that say about the future of the > > ILS? (That's bordering on a rhetorical question...) > > > > I bet they're using it to figure out how to mimic its > > function through AI. > > > > Karen G. Schneider > > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Rudy Leon Instruction & Collection Development Librarian College Libraries SUNY Potsdam (315) 267-3309 AIM: leonre3309 From Stacey.Knight at tui.edu Wed Nov 16 12:24:29 2005 From: Stacey.Knight at tui.edu (Knight, Stacey) Date: Wed Nov 16 12:25:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Library relationship with computer services dept Message-ID: <75EA8B6971CDB24AB54AC56B025A6D4B025E79@WREN2.tui-oh.net> Thanks to all of you who have responded to my e-mail. Your response has been tremendous and will help me to take the next steps in bringing some ideas to our computer services department about how to possibly reallocate some technology related responsibilities to the library. Overall, we have a good relationship with our computer services department, but one of the problems we face is that what the library identifies as a priority to serve our students does not always end up being a priority for computer services and falls to the bottom of their project list. In all fairness to them, they do not have the staff and resources to handle all of the requests they receive. We would like to establish a point person in the library who could assume more direct responsibility for some library technology such as maintenance of our web pages, but with this request we face the larger issues of "trust" and "control." Currently almost everything technology related must go through or be handled by computer services. For example, right now the only direct control we have over our web pages is the content of pre-existing pages which we have through our CMS. Web editing privileges in our current CMS are very limited, and we have no way to directly edit the html code on our pages. Essentially all we can change is the text of our pages. If we want to use a larger font size, a different font color, or put an image on one of our pages, we must make a request to the university webmaster. Similarly, any requests for new pages must go through the university webmaster and be created for us. Any changes we make to our pages in the CMS are not made live until they have been approved by the webmaster. We did establish an arrangement with the webmaster that has allowed me to maintain two static html pages in table form which list all of our electronic resources, but I must send the files to the webmaster to upload to the server. I would like to find a database driven solution to manage all of our electronic resources, but my initial conversations with computer services have fallen short. The library has taken some steps to be more involved in technology initiatives at the institution level by requesting that a librarian be part of the technology committee and the university web team. Hopefully, this will help us to establish a more collaborative relationship with computer services in the future. Thanks again for all of your responses. I will compile a summary for the list shortly, and all of the comments will remain anonymous. Stacey L. Knight Research Services and Electronic Resources Librarian Gary Library Vermont College of the Union Institute and University 36 College St. Montpelier, VT 05602 (802) 828-8618 Toll free: (800) 336-6794 stacey.knight@tui.edu From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Wed Nov 16 16:05:36 2005 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:05:39 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Electronic Resources Assistant Librarian, University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center Message-ID: <05D540846E20E346A5CEE28FF3B6D35103F9DD70@hscex3.uchsc.edu> Please excuse any duplication. Electronic Resources Assistant Librarian The full position announcement is available at: http://denison.uchsc.edu/positions.htm Denison Memorial Library [http://denison.uchsc.edu/], University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center (UCDHSC), seeks an experienced and service oriented Electronic Resources Assistant Librarian. Major responsibilities include the management of electronic and Denison web site resources; development of new web resources; troubleshooting remote access to these resources; and reporting usage statistics for all such resources. The successful candidate for this position will be involved in creating, maintaining and improving access to and link resolution within all Denison electronic resources. This position also participates in Systems and IT related tasks and projects, and performs training and consultation with library staff and patrons, as needed. UCDHSC librarians at Denison Memorial Library, including the Electronic Resources Assistant Librarian, serve as non-tenure track faculty. All Health Sciences programs are in the process of moving to the new Fitzsimons campus, and library staff are presently planning a twenty-first century library building, scheduled to open in early 2008 [see http://www.uchsc.edu/fitzsimons/]. The UCDHSC includes schools of medicine, nursing, pharmacy, and dentistry, allied health and graduate programs, and partners with the University of Colorado Hospital. Required: Master's degree in library or information sciences from an ALA-accredited program; static web page development skills; working knowledge of at least one of the following scripting languages: CGI/Perl, Javascript, or VBScript; working knowledge of dynamic web page creation using PHP, ColdFusion, or ASP; and demonstrated ability to set priorities and complete tasks in a timely manner. Evidence of excellent interpersonal, organizational, written and verbal communication skills. Demonstrated ability to excel both independently and as a team member in a dynamic, collaborative environment. Evidence of flexibility and problem-solving skills. Preferred: Two years of academic or health sciences library experience; degree or major in Computer Sciences or Engineering; knowledge of Linux/UNIX, Windows 2003 server, Windows XP, Mac OS X, TCP/IP; knowledge and experience in managing Microsoft IIS or Apache web server; database design and management skills, specifically including knowledge of one of the following: Microsoft Access, Microsoft SQL, or databases within the Unix/Linux environment; experience searching for and using electronic journals or similar digital resources. Salary: $40,000 - $50,000 based on qualifications and experience; excellent fringe benefits. This is a non-tenured faculty position with faculty rank commensurate with experience. Review of applications will begin November 18, 2005 and continue until the position is filled. Send a letter of application, 3 letters of reference (preferred) or 3 names of reference contacts, and curriculum vitae to Debra Silva, Assistant to the Director, Denison Memorial Library, 4200 East Ninth Avenue, Box A003, Denver, CO 80262-0003, debra.silva@uchsc.edu. The University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center is committed to Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action. From minks at amigos.org Wed Nov 16 16:10:45 2005 From: minks at amigos.org (Gina Minks) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:09:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] DALLAS ENCODED ARCHIVAL DESCRIPTION WORKSHOP REGISTRATION DEADLINE EXTENDED Message-ID: (Please excuse duplicate postings) DALLAS EAD WORKSHOP REGISTRATION DEADLINE EXTENDED Amigos has extended the Early Bird Registration Deadline to November 22 for the following workshop, scheduled December 8 - 9 in Dallas: Workshop: Introduction to the Encoded Archival Description Date: December 8 - 9 Location: Amigos Library Services Extended Early Bird Registration Deadline: 11/22/05 Description: The Encoded Archival Description (EAD) is an internationally recognized XML/SGML-based standard for encoding archival finding aids. This live, online workshop will provide a solid introduction to EAD, helping you to decide whether or not to implement EAD to display your encoded finding aids on the web. Topics include: History of EAD Factors to consider when deciding to implement EAD at your institution Relationships between EAD, the General International Standard Archival Description (ISAD(G)), and the principles stated in the Canadian-US Task Force on Archival Description (CUSTARD) Project The structure of an EAD document Participants will mark up a supplied finding aid in EAD and transform it using XSLT into an HTML document for displaying the finding aid online. It is recommended that participants with little or no experience in XML complete the self-paced tutorial on XML before taking this workshop. Completion of the Amigos workshop Introduction to XML and the Text Encoding Initiative or similar experience or training will meet this requirement. The Amigos Imaging and Preservation Service is funded in part by a grant from the Division of Preservation and Access of the National Endowment for the Humanities. For more information and online registration, go to http://www.amigos.org/learning/catalog/shopping/product_details.php?id=180. From minks at amigos.org Wed Nov 16 16:29:18 2005 From: minks at amigos.org (Gina Minks) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:29:03 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Upcoming Amigos Training Message-ID: (Please excuse duplicate postings) Upcoming Amigos Training Amigos has scheduled the following training for Texas librarians and library staff. See the schedule of face-to-face and web-based workshops coming soon to a location near you. 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XML: An Overview November 29 - December 2 12:00 p.m. - 2:00 p.m. The Early Bird Registration Deadline for this session has expired, but registrations are still being accepted. Visit http://www.amigos.org/learning/calendar/index.php?format=2 for a complete live online training schedule, course descriptions, technical requirements, and online registration form, or contact Chris Brown at Amigos, 1-800-843-8482 (972-851-8000 in the Dallas area), ext. 2829, or mailto:brown@amigos.org. Learning @ Amigos.Org also has self-paced courses in cataloging, interlibrary loan, web publishing, and preservation. For more details, visit http://www.amigos.org/learning/catalog/shopping/format.php?search=3. From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 17 12:16:17 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Thu Nov 17 12:16:22 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Big OPACs? Message-ID: The Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois (CARLI) operates an integrated library system called I-Share (formerly known as ILLINET Online). I-Share recently reached a milestone. Towards the end of September, I-Share's Universal Catalog recorded its nine millionth bibliographic record. The catalog now holds records representing 9.05 million bibs and 31.8 million items. I know this doesn't hold a candle to what's in WorldCat, but I am curious about how this compares to other large OPACs? Feel free to send me info on other large scale systems. Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Nov 17 12:25:49 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Thu Nov 17 12:25:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls (OPAC) Message-ID: <200511171125.AA775487794@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> I'm interested in offering a list of Quick Searches of our OPAC (e.g. DVDs, videos, large print books, etc.) on our library web site and would like to see how others have implemented this technique. Any examples would be appreciated! -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ -- From jdf.lists at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 13:25:51 2005 From: jdf.lists at gmail.com (Joshua Daniel Franklin) Date: Thu Nov 17 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Big OPACs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67437bc40511171025r2c08eb87jdc0e074ffdfb9f2e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/05, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > I-Share recently reached a milestone. Towards the end of September, > I-Share's Universal Catalog recorded its nine millionth bibliographic > record. The catalog now holds records representing 9.05 million bibs and > 31.8 million items. > > I know this doesn't hold a candle to what's in WorldCat, but I am > curious about how this compares to other large OPACs? Orbis Cascade in the Pacific Northwest claims the Summit OPAC has "25,522,807 item records and 7,826,250 bibliographic records." From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 17 14:12:34 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Thu Nov 17 14:12:39 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name Message-ID: Google has changed the name of Google Print to Google Book Search: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/judging-book-search-by-its-cover. html If your e-mail system has problems with longish URLs, here's a shortcut: http://tinyurl.com/acsng Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Nov 17 15:49:10 2005 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Thu Nov 17 15:49:14 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Big OPACs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Melvyl catalog at the University of California has 13,382,289 bib records, but as I'm sure Bernie appreciates merging records is more black magic than either an art or a science, so this should not be considered an accurate count of what a human being might consider to be items unique enough for a different bib record. Suffice it to say that any catalog with multi-million records is a significant beast that keeps one or more people up at night. Roy On Nov 17, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > The Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois (CARLI) > operates an integrated library system called I-Share (formerly > known as > ILLINET Online). > > I-Share recently reached a milestone. Towards the end of September, > I-Share's Universal Catalog recorded its nine millionth bibliographic > record. The catalog now holds records representing 9.05 million > bibs and > 31.8 million items. > > I know this doesn't hold a candle to what's in WorldCat, but I am > curious about how this compares to other large OPACs? > > Feel free to send me info on other large scale systems. > > Thanks! > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Information Systems Consultant > Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois > 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 > Champaign, IL 61820-5752 > > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 265-0454 > E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Nov 17 17:19:16 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:19:20 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification Message-ID: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Maybe I don't understand something, or maybe I just need to be clearer in my request: What I'd like to see examples of (if such a thing even exists) would be library web site pages with links that lead to search results such as "videos", "dvd", etc. I heard this mentioned at IL 2005, but maybe I misunderstood what was being said. To me, a persistent url is an address that, if you code it as a hyperlink, will result in a consistent product, e.g a list of all the videos in the catalog. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ -- From gerrymck at iastate.edu Thu Nov 17 17:25:07 2005 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:25:30 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Social Bookmarking/Tagging in Wikis? Message-ID: ***Apologies for Receipt of Duplicate Postings*** Social Bookmarking/Tagging in Wikis? Colleagues/ I am greatly interested in learning of Any and All wiki engines and/or implementations that include a Social Bookmarking/Tagging functionality. BTW: For a Great Review of Social Bookmarking, the _D-Lib Magazine_ article by Tony Hammond, Timo Hannay, Ben Lund, and Joanna Scott of the Nature Publishing Group is a Must-Read: "Social Bookmarking Tools (I): A General Review" D-Lib Magazine 11(4) / April 2005 [ http://www.dlib.org/dlib/april05/hammond/04hammond.html ] Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From johnston at virginia.edu Thu Nov 17 17:41:42 2005 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:41:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification In-Reply-To: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051117172717.0354a6a0@virginia.edu> The formal definition of a persistent URL (PURL) is a URL that, instead of pointing directly to a file location on a a server, points to an intermediate resolution service that knows where the file is located. The location of the file may change over time, or be dynamically generated with session information in an authenticated environment, but the PURL will never change, always redirecting the user to the current correct path. Leslie At 05:19 PM 11/17/2005, Karen Davis wrote: >Maybe I don't understand something, or maybe I just need to be >clearer in my request: > >What I'd like to see examples of (if such a thing even exists) would >be library web site pages with links that lead to search results >such as "videos", "dvd", etc. > >I heard this mentioned at IL 2005, but maybe I misunderstood what >was being said. To me, a persistent url is an address that, if you >code it as a hyperlink, will result in a consistent product, e.g a >list of all the videos in the catalog. > > > >-- >++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Karen Davis, Coordinator >Center for Community Networking & >Web Administrator >Lawrence Public Library >707 Vermont Street >Lawrence, KS 66044 >785.843.3833 ext. 104 >http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ >http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Thu Nov 17 17:44:27 2005 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:44:33 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification In-Reply-To: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: Karen, I noticed your earlier request and thought it was a bit odd. How are we supposed to provide guidance to you without knowing what OPAC software you use? There are some systems that offer the ability to make urls that will invoke a search for the user. I suppose you could create some proxy software that would act as an generic in-between, but that sounds like a possibly difficult path. Does your software have session ids, caching, cookies, etc? All of these could affect a generic attempt. I'd advise checking your manual or asking a mailing list that is specific to your OPAC since the easiest solution is to use the existing software "hooks". > What I'd like to see examples of (if such a thing even exists) would be > library web site pages with links that lead to search results such as > "videos", "dvd", etc. I have not heard PURLs associated that much with web services as I have with digital objects. The short and sweet is to give in an address that will always return that object. This is a little different than a "canned url" of a web service that always returns a set of results. In the first case, it resembles an ISBN. Imagine browsing through the opac and knowing that the book you want to find is always in 2xxx.xx. At some point the library switches over from LC to Dewey. If you happened to have the isbn scrawled somewhere you can still find the record (and hence the physical location). If you have the "number" of the digital object, you can retrieve it even if the files have been moved around. On the other hand, web services offer a "url language" that allow you to construct urls that will return certain results. For instance, using Amazon's web services you can type in a url that is always the same and get the top ten records that matches the search term. These are typically called "canned searches" in the library world from what I've seen. I could be making too much of an arbitrary distinction here. But what you are describing doesn't look like purls, they look like web services/canned searches. There is no standard "language" for web services across OPACs so you need to research what is available for your catalog. Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Karen Davis wrote: > Maybe I don't understand something, or maybe I just need to be clearer > in my request: > > > I heard this mentioned at IL 2005, but maybe I misunderstood what was being said. To me, a persistent url is an address that, if you code it as a hyperlink, will result in a consistent product, e.g a list of all the videos in the catalog. > > > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ > http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Thu Nov 17 17:47:59 2005 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:48:25 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification In-Reply-To: References: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: > Imagine browsing through the opac and knowing that the > book you want to find is always in 2xxx.xx. At some point the library > switches over from LC to Dewey. *cough* The analogy of course makes better sense if the Library changes from Dewey to LC. And if you know it's somewhere in 2xx's, not 2xxx. Details, details, details. Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 From ylef at coloradomtn.edu Thu Nov 17 18:05:08 2005 From: ylef at coloradomtn.edu (Yuliya Lef) Date: Thu Nov 17 18:05:25 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification In-Reply-To: <200511171619.AA2158559534@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <01LVIEA8LP2K004WNJ@coloradomtn.edu> Karen, We have a few examples: http://www.coloradomtn.edu/library/spring.html. Look under "browse our collection of" (except magazines). ----------------------------- Yuliya Lef Virtual Library Coordinator Colorado Mountain College 333 Fiedler Ave. P.O. Box 1414 Dillon, CO 80435 970-468-5989 (phone) 970-468-5018 (fax) ylef@coloradomtn.edu http://www.coloradomtn.edu/library/ > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Karen Davis > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:19 PM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification > > Maybe I don't understand something, or maybe I just need to > be clearer in my request: > > What I'd like to see examples of (if such a thing even > exists) would be library web site pages with links that lead > to search results such as "videos", "dvd", etc. > > I heard this mentioned at IL 2005, but maybe I misunderstood > what was being said. To me, a persistent url is an address > that, if you code it as a hyperlink, will result in a > consistent product, e.g a list of all the videos in the catalog. > > > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ > http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From george at library.caltech.edu Thu Nov 17 18:20:00 2005 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Thu Nov 17 18:20:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Position announcement -- Web Application Developer Message-ID: <2DB0071B2579A2448430A96C451BBB27995619@CLSX.cls.caltech.edu> The Web Applications Developer will develop and administer the web site of the Caltech Library System in collaboration with other CLS Staff, and assist in the system administration of a cluster of Linux systems.?The Web Applications Developer will lead and work with small multidisciplinary project teams to develop the library web site. As part of these projects, the Web Applications Developer is expected to develop and manage databases, design database-driven web applications, design web interfaces, and perform usage and usability analyses. In addition, this position will assist in Linux system administration. http://www.recruitingcenter.net/clients/CalTech/publicjobs/controller.cfm?jbaction=JobProfile&Job_Id=12584&esid=az or http://tinyurl.com/8ma6b George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 http://library.caltech.edu contributor http://stlq.info | http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/fosblog.html From morville at semanticstudios.com Thu Nov 17 20:20:13 2005 From: morville at semanticstudios.com (Peter Morville) Date: Thu Nov 17 20:20:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] UFOs (Ubiquitous Findable Objects) Message-ID: The lighter side of ubicomp ;-) http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/11/17/ubiquitous-findable-objec ts.html Peter Morville President, Semantic Studios http://semanticstudios.com http://findability.org From ina.smith at up.ac.za Fri Nov 18 01:41:15 2005 From: ina.smith at up.ac.za (Ina Smith) Date: Fri Nov 18 01:41:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20051117172717.0354a6a0@virginia.edu> Message-ID: We use the CNRI Handle System, as implemented with DSpace, our digital repository. I'm not sure whether it can be used with an OPAC as well. You can visit http://www.handle.net/ It is a general-purpose global name service enabling secure name resolution over the Internet. Ina Smith E-Application Specialist Academic Information Service (Library) University of Pretoria Tel.: +27 12 420 3082 Fax: +27 12 362 5100 E-mail: ina.smith@up.ac.za This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule onderhewig. Volledige besonderhede is by www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ beskikbaar. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Johnston Sent: 18 November 2005 00:42 To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] persistent urls- clarification The formal definition of a persistent URL (PURL) is a URL that, instead of pointing directly to a file location on a a server, points to an intermediate resolution service that knows where the file is located. The location of the file may change over time, or be dynamically generated with session information in an authenticated environment, but the PURL will never change, always redirecting the user to the current correct path. Leslie At 05:19 PM 11/17/2005, Karen Davis wrote: >Maybe I don't understand something, or maybe I just need to be >clearer in my request: > >What I'd like to see examples of (if such a thing even exists) would >be library web site pages with links that lead to search results >such as "videos", "dvd", etc. > >I heard this mentioned at IL 2005, but maybe I misunderstood what >was being said. To me, a persistent url is an address that, if you >code it as a hyperlink, will result in a consistent product, e.g a >list of all the videos in the catalog. > > > >-- >++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Karen Davis, Coordinator >Center for Community Networking & >Web Administrator >Lawrence Public Library >707 Vermont Street >Lawrence, KS 66044 >785.843.3833 ext. 104 >http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ >http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/ccn/ > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Fri Nov 18 06:47:01 2005 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Fri Nov 18 06:49:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] measuring PC performance Message-ID: Hi, We upgraded the operating system of a number of our Internet PCs from Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000. We added some memory. In some cases performance dis-improved. Given all the factors that affect performance, can it be predicted how changing one element will affect power. For example, RAM, Hard Disk size, and processor speed all affect power. But what is the relationship between RAM and power. For example, if I double the RAM what is the percentage increase in power? Is there an algorithm for determining this? Finally, the operating system affects performance. The more recent operating systems seem to be more resource hungry and require more powerful computers. Can this be factored into the equation? Is there a simple means of testing a PCs performance, e.g. getting the PC to perform a task and timing it? This would help us decide to increase RAM or not and once RAM is increased has it worked. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* Tá eolas atá príobháideach agus rúnda sa ríomhphost seo agus aon iatán a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amháin a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. Má tá an ríomhphost seo faighte agat trí dhearmad, cuir an seoltóir ar an eolas thrí aischur ríomhphoist agus scrios ansin é le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From bardsley at u.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 11:51:50 2005 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (Mark Bardsley) Date: Fri Nov 18 11:58:25 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] measuring PC performance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, I don't know of any simple equations to measure this. There is a free utility that checks many measurements of performance. It is called Sandra and can be downloaded from http://www.sisoftware.net/. However, your question is complicated because it depends on how the computers are used. For example, there are processor intensive operations (photo rendering) and there are hard drive intensive operations (copying large files). Additionally, motherboards only support a maximum bus speed for RAM. A nice motherboard will support RAM that operates at a much higher speed and can thus shuttle information to the processor faster. Another thing to think about is not the hard drive size but the RPM and seek time. You could buy a fast hard drive (if hard drive intensive operations are slowing things down) but to get the fastest hard drives you might need to buy a SCSI, Fiber Channel, or SATA controller. To summarize though, there are many factors that influence computer performance and it depends on what it is primarily used for. NT 4 was a lean operating system that required little RAM. Upgrading to 2000 is expected to decrease performance on most systems. The next Microsoft OS (for consumer use) is expected to require even more RAM, hard drive space, and graphics capabilities. - Mark On 11/18/05 3:47 AM, "John Fitzgibbon" wrote: > Hi, > > We upgraded the operating system of a number of our Internet PCs from > Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000. We added some memory. In some cases > performance dis-improved. > > Given all the factors that affect performance, can it be predicted how > changing one element will affect power. For example, RAM, Hard Disk > size, and processor speed all affect power. But what is the relationship > between RAM and power. For example, if I double the RAM what is the > percentage increase in power? Is there an algorithm for determining > this? > > Finally, the operating system affects performance. The more recent > operating systems seem to be more resource hungry and require more > powerful computers. Can this be factored into the equation? > > Is there a simple means of testing a PCs performance, e.g. getting the > PC to perform a task and timing it? This would help us decide to > increase RAM or not and once RAM is increased has it worked. > > Any thoughts would be much appreciated. > > John Fitzgibbon > > Galway Public Library > Island House > Cathedral Square > Galway > Ireland > > p: 00 353 91 562471 > f: 00 353 91 565039 > w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > ******************************************************************* > T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo > agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine > sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. > Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n > a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. > M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, > cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist > agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. > > This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is > private and confidential and is intended for the addressee > only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised > to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify > the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. > ********************************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Spatalita at acpl.lib.in.us Fri Nov 18 12:44:07 2005 From: Spatalita at acpl.lib.in.us (Sara Patalita) Date: Fri Nov 18 12:45:35 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] URLs to OPAC searches, items (was persistent urls (OPAC)) Message-ID: Hi, Karen. We have a few examples of links to iBistro (SirsiDynix) searches http://www.acpl.info/catalog/spanish.html and to specific items http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/children/babyfaces.html You may indeed, as others have suggested, find more information querying a SirsiDynix listserv but I wanted you to know this is possible working with iBistro and not terribly difficult, once you understand the syntax/construction. I can send you more information if you are interested. And if you learn more, I'd love to hear about it. Sara >>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:25:49 -0600 From: "Karen Davis" Subject: [Web4lib] persistent urls (OPAC) To: I'm interested in offering a list of Quick Searches of our OPAC (e.g. DVDs, videos, large print books, etc.) on our library web site and would like to see how others have implemented this technique. Any examples would be appreciated! >>> *********************************************************** Sara Patalita Librarian Information Technology Services Allen County Public Library P.O. Box 2270 Fort Wayne, IN 46801-2270 spatalita@acpl.info Phone 260.421.1292 Fax 260.421.1387 If you absolutely, positively have to know, ask a librarian! Send your questions to: ask@acpl.info *********************************************************** From BScott at library.unt.edu Fri Nov 18 14:37:10 2005 From: BScott at library.unt.edu (Beth Thomsett-Scott) Date: Fri Nov 18 14:41:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Usability Studies with Remote Users Message-ID: ***** Please excuse cross-postings ******** Has anyone performed usability studies (web site or software) with users via some form of remote communication? I would like to hear about the methods/software used and relative success of these methods. Please reply to bscott@library.unt.edu and I will summarize for the list. Thank you in advance. Beth Beth Thomsett-Scott Chemistry and Biology Librarian University of North Texas P.O. Box 305190 Denton, Texas 76203-5190 From jdunck at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:08:54 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:11:10 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Usability Studies with Remote Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2545a92c0511181208m4716c146l176cea03f133a2d2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/18/05, Beth Thomsett-Scott wrote: > ***** Please excuse cross-postings ******** > > Has anyone performed usability studies (web site or software) with > users via > some form of remote communication? I would like to hear about the > methods/software > used and relative success of these methods. Please reply to > bscott@library.unt.edu > and I will summarize for the list. Reply to list: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/UsabilityTestingwithMorae.html From Tom.Zimoski at fresnolibrary.org Sat Nov 19 10:06:50 2005 From: Tom.Zimoski at fresnolibrary.org (Zimoski, Tom) Date: Sat Nov 19 10:07:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Read and write but not execute from USB flash drives (& other removable media) Message-ID: Greetings, I'm looking for advice about how best to allow our library users to read from and write to their USB flash drives, but not to run programs from them. We're using Windows 2000. We have some machines set up, through controls on the browser, to allow access only to our online catalog. The other day I discovered that I could run a browser from my USB device on one of these "catalog only" stations and at least one library patron is running some chat software off his. I mention USB devices specifically because I have experimented with them recently, but we do want the same policy - read and write but not execute - to apply to all removable media and also to those directories on drive C to which we allow patrons to temporarily copy files. I should see if I can run programs from them too. I'm a public service librarian, not a system administrator, you may be relieved to learn. If you can suggest a better place to ask this question please let me know. I am aware that asking our own tech support staff is one option. Tom Zimoski From rsullivan at sals.edu Sat Nov 19 11:27:09 2005 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Sat Nov 19 11:26:18 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Read and write but not execute from USB flash drives (&other removable media) References: Message-ID: <000401c5ed26$19ddbeb0$2001040a@Colossus> >I'm looking for advice about how best to allow our library users to read from and write to their USB flash drives, but not to run programs from them. We use the freeware Trust-No-Exe for exactly the situation you describe. It allows you to specify locations from which software will run and block everything else. We have been using it for about a year and a half without any problems. Of course, you'll run into things in a public access situation which end up blocked even though they are harmless, e.g. a CD of images which uses some sort of photo album to display them. You can work around this if you have some sort of graphics software which can navigate through the drive to load images. We consider this occasional inconvenience a small price to pay for the security provided. Bob Sullivan Schenectady County Public Library (NY) Schenectady Digital History Archive From MDHAGEMAN at stthomas.edu Sat Nov 19 14:25:09 2005 From: MDHAGEMAN at stthomas.edu (Hageman, Marianne D.) Date: Sat Nov 19 14:25:16 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Job: Associate Director for Virtual Services Message-ID: Apologies for cross-posting. Note the submission information in the body of the posting. --------------------------------------- Associate Director for Virtual Services The University of St. Thomas Libraries seeks an Associate Director for Virtual Services to provide leadership and project management in the development and maintenance of the UST Libraries' digital environment and to achieve the vision of the libraries as the intellectual and technological crossroads of information resources, teaching, and learning. Responsibilities include the development and maintenance of the Libraries' digital environment, including the libraries' website and integrated applications and the growing digital collections and services that the libraries offer. The AD will also provide vision and direction regarding emerging technologies and their integration into the academic library environment. The Associate Director for Virtual Services is a member of the UST Libraries' Management Team, and collaborates closely with IRT colleagues in Web and Media Services, Client Services, and IT, as well as with faculty of the University. Qualifications include: MLS or equivalent; 5 years experience in an academic library; knowledge and experience in systems development and implementation of web and database solutions; demonstrated experience in leading and managing an information resources and technology program in a team based and collaborative environment; ability to communicate complex ideas clearly and persuasively in verbal and written form; commitment to high quality user service; familiarity with metadata standards (MARC, Dublin Core, etc.) a plus. Excellent benefits package including tuition benefits. Submit cover letter (refer to position #300685) and resume online at www.stthomas.edu/hr/employment. AA/EOE From lars at aronsson.se Sat Nov 19 19:50:16 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Sat Nov 19 22:59:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sloan, Bernie wrote: > Google has changed the name of Google Print to Google Book Search: Just wait til the French discover that http://livres.google.fr/ gets an automatic redirect to http://books.google.fr/ :-) -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ From rudy.leon at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 22:45:29 2005 From: rudy.leon at gmail.com (Rudy Leon) Date: Sun Nov 20 22:45:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Read and write but not execute from USB flash drives (&other removable media) In-Reply-To: <000401c5ed26$19ddbeb0$2001040a@Colossus> References: <000401c5ed26$19ddbeb0$2001040a@Colossus> Message-ID: <1f0a5f9f0511201945h7683e5b6je208f114c541e241@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately, some USB drives need to install themselves in order to operate as a drive... have you had any problem with users being unable to read and write from their flash keys since using this software? On 11/19/05, Robert Sullivan wrote: > > >I'm looking for advice about how best to allow our library users to > read from and write to their USB flash drives, but not to run programs > from them. > > We use the freeware Trust-No-Exe for exactly the situation you describe. > It allows you to specify locations from which software will run and > block everything else. > > > > We have been using it for about a year and a half without any problems. > Of course, you'll run into things in a public access situation which end > up blocked even though they are harmless, e.g. a CD of images which uses > some sort of photo album to display them. You can work around this if > you have some sort of graphics software which can navigate through the > drive to load images. > > We consider this occasional inconvenience a small price to pay for the > security provided. > > Bob Sullivan > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) > Schenectady Digital History Archive > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Rudy Leon Instruction & Collection Development Librarian College Libraries SUNY Potsdam (315) 267-3309 AIM: leonre3309 From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 23:20:09 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Sun Nov 20 23:20:10 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In any language, the new name is still confusing. Is the point to find books, or to search the full text of books? Are the items on the hit list "snippets" or are they full text of books? What do end users think they are searching for? What do they expect to retrieve? Plus ?a change... /rich On 11/19/05, Lars Aronsson wrote: > > Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > Google has changed the name of Google Print to Google Book Search: > > Just wait til the French discover that http://livres.google.fr/ > gets an automatic redirect to http://books.google.fr/ > > :-) > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) > Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Nov 21 11:48:44 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:16:15 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c5eebb$701d2360$6401a8c0@venus> > In any language, the new name is still confusing. Is the point to find > books, or to search the full text of books? Are the items on the hit list > "snippets" or are they full text of books? What do end users think they > are > searching for? What do they expect to retrieve? > Plus ?a change... > /rich My hunch is that "Google Books" was some third rail they didn't want to encounter, so they made it Google Book Search. But I've been calling it Google Books (even though a blogger wagged his finger at those of us doing this) because it's one more syllable and one more word than most Google projects. We could ask them to change it to Google OPAC; or perhaps Google Bibliographic Utility... Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From jmlatham at onlib.org Mon Nov 21 11:24:02 2005 From: jmlatham at onlib.org (JML) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:24:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Unix vs. Windows Message-ID: <4381F4A2.1020509@onlib.org> Dear Colleagues, Our library is in the process of selecting a new automated system. We are a medium-sized library with 30 service points, one of which is a large central library. Our current platform is off the table as an issue, as is any expertise I bring to the discussion after twenty odd years of automating libraries. Since I've been told that I -- as a mere librarian -- do not have the requisite perspective to make such a decision, I was wondering if you all would be willing to help me out? What are the plusses, and minuses, of each platform? Thanks for your assistance. Joyce -- Joyce M. Latham, Executive Director Onondaga County Public Library System Syracuse, NY 315-435-1800 "There is no intellectual freedom, without intellectual courage." From steve2mccann at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 13:08:29 2005 From: steve2mccann at gmail.com (Steve McCann) Date: Mon Nov 21 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Position: Metadata Catalog Librarian (Tenure Track: Assistant Professor) Message-ID: <26b0d2e40511211008i70edcaf4o816e771fc515a1c6@mail.gmail.com> The University of Montana VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT Metadata Catalog Librarian (Tenure Track: Assistant Professor) http://www.umt.edu/hrs/FAC/APMCL11.05.htm The Maureen and Mike Mansfield Library of The University of Montana is located in Missoula, in the heart of the Northern Rockies and tremendous recreational opportunities. Missoula also serves as the region's cultural center and is home to a growing number of nationally recognized writers and other artists. The University of Montana has an enrollment of over 13,000 and provides a broad curriculum that strikes a balance between a strong liberal arts education and professional programs. The College of Arts and Sciences, the Graduate School, the College of Technology, and seven accredited professional schools - Business Administration, Education, Fine Arts, Forestry and Conservation, Journalism, Law, and Pharmacy and Allied Health Sciences - complete the University on the Missoula campus. Affiliated campuses include the College of Technology of The University of Montana, Helena; Montana Tech of The University of Montana, Butte; and The University of Montana Western, Dillon. The University of Montana seeks a service-oriented, energetic Metadata Catalog Librarian for a 12-month tenure-track faculty position with rank of assistant professor. Responsibilities Reporting to and under the general direction of the Head, Bibliographic Management Services Division, this position is responsible for organizing access to networked information resources using traditional and emerging metadata schema and to traditional information resources using the MARC format. The Metadata Catalog Librarian tracks developments in metadata standards as well as recommends appropriate metadata schema (e.g. DC, MARC, XML, EAD, TEI) to facilitate access to electronic resources and other collections; actively participates in the library's research and development efforts and in discussions relating to access, retrieval and management of objects in digital library systems; catalogs materials in a variety of formats, including preparing original bibliographic and authority records; maintains the integrity of the online catalog; works closely with staff and faculty throughout Bibliographic Management Services Division and other divisions to provide access to the library's collections; manages projects related to improving access to electronic resources in the online catalog; may participate in general reference service. Qualifications Required: This position requires an ALA accredited master's degree in library science (MLS); demonstrated knowledge of a range of software applications supporting the development of digital libraries using current and evolving metadata standards and associated technologies, including Dublin Core and MARC; excellent communication and analytic skills including the ability to work within a team environment with diverse groups of library staff; working knowledge of the use of cataloging principles and tools such as AACR2, LCRI, LCSH, and other controlled vocabularies; working knowledge of a bibliographic utility or integrated library system; and the ability to meet standards for achieving tenure and promotion, including research leading to peer reviewed publications. Preferred: Working knowledge of one or more Western European or Asian languages. Rank and Salary Position is a 12-month, tenure-track appointment at the rank of Assistant Professor. Salary: competitive and commensurate with experience The University of Montana offers a comprehensive benefits package including TIAA-CREF. Candidates applying by December 15, 2005 will be given first consideration. To apply, please submit a letter of application, a resume, and a list of three recent professional references to: Administrative Services c/o Kathy Hendricks Maureen and Mike Mansfield Library The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812-9936 phone: 406/243-6800 fax: 406/243-6864 email: library.jobs@umontana.edu http://www.lib.umt.edu This position announcement can be made available in alternative formats upon request. The University of Montana is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer and encourages applications from qualified women, minorities, Vietnam era veterans, and persons with disabilities. Positions eligible for veterans' preference in accordance with State law. From kdevoe at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 16:45:30 2005 From: kdevoe at gmail.com (Kristen DeVoe) Date: Mon Nov 21 16:45:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Questions about Publisher and Vendor RSS feeds Message-ID: <3c0ab1110511211345t5907873t2cca28d7554bf2b5@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I write a short survey column for The Charleston Report, "A publication written for publishers, vendors, product developers, merchandisers, and wholesalers who are interested in expanding their library market." For the upcoming issue, I would like to write on publisher and vendor provided RSS feeds for journals. I am looking to listserv subscribers to give me their opinions on publisher and vendor provided RSS feeds. I am including a link to a very short survey (five questions) on the topic but I am also listing the questions below if you care to respond to me via email (off-list at kdevoe@gmail.com). If you have time, please respond to any or all of the questions and if you care to add anything feel free, as the purpose of this column is to find out what librarians think. Link to questions: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=650931542817 - What potential value do you see for publisher and vendor provided RSS feeds for journals? - Do you think that there are problems with publisher and vendor provided RSS feeds for journals that diminish their value? If so, what are these problems? - How do you think publisher and vendor RSS feeds could change to enhance their value? - Has your institution utilized vendor or publisher RSS feeds for journals? If so, what have you done (integration into catalog, subject guides, or any other way)? - Please feel free to add anything else regarding publisher and vendor RSS feeds. Thank You, Kristen DeVoe Pittsburgh, PA kdevoe@gmail.com From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Nov 21 16:47:24 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Mon Nov 21 16:47:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Books Online: The Fee versus Free Battle Begins Message-ID: Quint, Barbara. Books Online: The Fee versus Free Battle Begins. News Breaks (Information Today, Inc). November 21, 2005. "Now that all the busy book digitizers have done enough to create what anyone would call library-size collections, they have begun to deliver the full text electronically and to reveal how they plan to "monetize" their investments." Full text at: http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb051121-2.shtml Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From andrewc at vicnet.net.au Mon Nov 21 17:52:55 2005 From: andrewc at vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Mon Nov 21 17:52:58 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Conference: Open Road 2006 Conference: Challenges and possibilities Message-ID: <43824FC7.4050908@vicnet.net.au> Open Road 2006 Conference: Challenges and possibilities The conference will address the challenges and possibilities of providing access to and development of content and web services within the multilingual environment by engaging the audience in plenary sessions, workshops and round table discussions. Vicnet , a division of the State Library of Victoria in partnership with the Victorian Office of Multicultural Affairs, Department for Victorian Communities are pleased to announce they will be hosting the 3rd Biennial Conference, Open Road 2006 Conference: Challenges and Possibilities on 6 - 7 February 2006. This is a major two day conference that you cannot miss out on if you or your organisation engages with Culturally and Linguistically (CALD) consumers. Delegates will have the opportunity to hear from national and international guest speakers, * Hon. Justice Marcus Einfeld AO QC * Richard Ishida, World Wide Web Consortium(W3C), United Kingdom * Maria Dimopoulos, MyriaD Consultants * Russ Rolfe, Microsoft, USA * Alexi Paspalas, BBC, United Kindgom * Professor Joseph Lo Bianco, The University of Melbourne For a copy of the Conference Program and Registration form please visit http://openroad.net.au/conferences/2006/. Enquiries can be directed to Conference Organiser, Beata Wacek on (03) 8664 7046 or bwacek@slv.vic.gov.au Register before 17th December 2005 and receive an early bird discount. -- Andrew Cunningham e-Diversity and Content Infrastructure Solutions Public Libraries Unit, Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia andrewc+AEA-vicnet.net.au Ph. 3-8664-7430 Fax: 3-9639-2175 http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.libraries.vic.gov.au/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/ From CreechA at cwu.EDU Mon Nov 21 17:59:50 2005 From: CreechA at cwu.EDU (Anna Creech) Date: Mon Nov 21 18:00:22 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name Message-ID: Karen G. Schneider wrote: "We could ask them to change it to Google OPAC; or perhaps Google Bibliographic Utility..." Or, a snazzy name or acronym to represent the Google OPAC. I'm thinking GREAT: Google REsearch Archive Tool. Anna ----------------------------------- Anna L. Creech, MLS Serials & Electronic Resources Librarian Central Washington University Serials Department - Library 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-1718 From dmattison at shaw.ca Mon Nov 21 22:56:57 2005 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Mon Nov 21 23:57:20 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base, any libraries starting to use this service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nov 21, 2005 WEB4LIBBERS: I came across the new Google Base (beta; http://base.google.com/) service today, checked the WEB4LIB Archives, saw no mention, so am now wondering if any libraries have started using this service. It was only launched on November 17, so can't blame you if your attention's been diverted by the Google Print/Google Book Search thread. Among the kinds of contents Google will host and make searchable are "blogs ... course schedules - events and activities - jobs - news and articles - people profiles ... reference articles - reviews - ... wanted ads - ..." It appears as though you can add up to 10 pictures per item in the .gif, .jpg, .png, or .tif formats. A Google Account is required to publish and edit your content. Lots of possibilities here, though the instructions in the Help Center leave a lot to be desired, as does the initial interface. Blogs are one of the categories, but they don't appear in the dropdown category list. If you type in Blogs in the "Create your own item type:" field, the next screen displays a database record for a blog. Google appears to be relying on others to keep the service clean and honest. You're encouraged to "Report bad item" (one that doesn't comply with the Google Base policy). Enjoy! David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca Tiki Wiki Hut: http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki Ten Thousand Year Blog: http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress From mjordan at sfu.ca Tue Nov 22 00:59:58 2005 From: mjordan at sfu.ca (Mark Jordan) Date: Tue Nov 22 01:00:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base, any libraries starting to use this service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051122055958.GA5124@sfu.ca> Hi David, Google innovates again... first it was impact factor, this time it's submitter-generated metadata. When you add sites, you choose an "item type" (events and activities, jobs, news and articles, products, recipes, reference articles, etc., as you point out), and you then add "attributes", which are "words or phrases that help describe the characteristics and qualities of your items" (all quotes from the help docs or FAQs). Sounds familiar. Let's hope they don't patent it. Mark On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 07:56:57PM -0800, D.H. Mattison wrote: > Nov 21, 2005 > > WEB4LIBBERS: > > I came across the new Google Base (beta; http://base.google.com/) service > today, checked the WEB4LIB Archives, saw no mention, so am now wondering if > any libraries have started using this service. It was only launched on > November 17, so can't blame you if your attention's been diverted by the > Google Print/Google Book Search thread. > > Among the kinds of contents Google will host and make searchable are > > "blogs ... course schedules - events and activities - jobs - news and > articles - people profiles ... reference articles - reviews - ... wanted > ads - ..." > > It appears as though you can add up to 10 pictures per item in the .gif, > .jpg, .png, or .tif formats. A Google Account is required to publish and > edit your content. > > Lots of possibilities here, though the instructions in the Help Center leave > a lot to be desired, as does the initial interface. Blogs are one of the > categories, but they don't appear in the dropdown category list. If you type > in Blogs in the "Create your own item type:" field, the next screen displays > a database record for a blog. > > Google appears to be relying on others to keep the service clean and honest. > You're encouraged to "Report bad item" (one that doesn't comply with the > Google Base policy). > > Enjoy! > > David Mattison > Victoria, BC, Canada > dmattison@shaw.ca > Tiki Wiki Hut: http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki > Ten Thousand Year Blog: http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From vctinney at dcn.org Tue Nov 22 01:13:23 2005 From: vctinney at dcn.org (V. Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.) Date: Tue Nov 22 01:13:42 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base, any libraries starting to use this service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4382B703.2050008@dcn.org> D.H. Mattison wrote: >Nov 21, 2005 > >WEB4LIBBERS: > >I came across the new Google Base ( >beta; http://base.google.com/) service >today, checked the WEB4LIB Archives, >saw no mention, so am now wondering if >any libraries have started using this >service. It was only launched on >November 17, so can't blame you if >your attention's been diverted by the >Google Print/Google Book Search thread. > > . . . Google has just recently "patched a security problem with its Google Base that allowed attackers to steal sensitive information from users of the new content- hosting service." http://news.google.com/news?q=google+base&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr I note David Bigwood states:: "I've loaded 425 items into Google Base. That is the limit they currently impose." http://catalogablog.blogspot.com/ It is also a New Way to put credible genealogy and family history data on the Internet. For those who may be interested in a fabulous new addition to the Internet, please visit The Marketplace: Genealogy - Family History related materials. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/bookspublicationsgenealogical.htm#Marketplace LOOK FOR: Google ^(TM) Base Add all types of information and make searchable online. Describe any item with attributes, which will help people find it when they search Google^(TM) Base. Based on the relevance of your items, they may also be included in the main Google^(TM) search index and other Google^(TM) products like Froogle^(TM) and Google^(TM) Local. Current sections deal with such items as: Course Schedules - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history courses on the Internet. Events and Activities - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history events and activities on the Internet. Jobs - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history jobs (also nonprofit jobs) on the Internet. News and Articles - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history News and Articles on the Internet. People Profiles - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history People Profiles on the Internet. Products - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Products on the Internet. Recipes - CAN BE USED to post family recipes on the Internet. Reference Articles - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Reference Articles on the Internet. Reviews - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Reviews on the Internet. Services - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Services on the Internet. . . . Wanted Ads - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Wanted Ads on the Internet. [Other categories, such as "Blogs", can be selectively created if the item of interest does not fall in the above areas. "Blogs" - CAN BE USED to post genealogy and family history Blogs on the Internet. ] IMPORTANT: If a genealogy or family history item is mislabeled or misleading, considered spam, duplicate of another item, adult content or not labeled correctly, violates copyright or legal protection laws, Etc.; in Google^(TM) Base it can be reported for removal. About Google^(TM) Base: http://base.google.com/base/about.html How to post an item. http://base.google.com/base/howtosingleitem.html The speed of turnaround: "Shortly after you click 'Publish' your entry will appear on its own publicly viewable web page with a unique web address (URL). This usually happens within 10 - 15 minutes, though it may take up to an hour." This resource: "We'll host your item if you don't already have a website, and make it visible to anyone who searches for your item's unique web address or to anyone who finds it while searching for related topics." In my opinion, this will open up the Internet, as it has never been opened before, to the novice or experienced researcher, with little or no computer expertise needed; thus, making available worldwide, collaborative genealogy and family history content, even in Third World Areas. It will promote the individual freedom of expression and democracy, across currently established national borders, into the darkest corners of the uncivilized world. This is a CONVERSION of the Marketplace from its standard features, allowing an essential "wiki" environment, in which the posting party becomes the primary person of interest and control of the information being offered. "Google" . . .[will] "maintain high standards for items accepted into the Google Base program" http://base.google.com/base/base_policies.html "Editorial Guidelines" will require all family historians and genealogists to "Be honest, accurate, and factual", as well as to "Clearly and accurately describe" [their] "message." http://base.google.com/base/guidelines.html I see this as a potential revolutionary CONTROL change from past activities allowed on the Internet, within the online genealogical communities, ROOTS sites, the LDS IGI and other GEDCOM ancestral file related programs. If anyone on this list wishes to use or post elsewhere, my response in this report, I hereby grant this permission willingly. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions] Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ From jtrant at archimuse.com Tue Nov 22 10:04:46 2005 From: jtrant at archimuse.com (J. Trant) Date: Tue Nov 22 12:38:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base, any libraries starting to use this service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: is this Google's implementation of Structured Blogging? See http://www.structuredblogging.org jennifer -- __________ J. Trant jtrant@archimuse.com Partner & Principal Consultant phone: +1 416 691 2516 Archives & Museum Informatics fax: +1 416 352 6025 158 Lee Ave, Toronto Ontario M4E 2P3 Canada http://www.archimuse.com __________ From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 22 11:10:45 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 22 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] World Digital Library Message-ID: >From Search Engine Watch: "The United States Library of Congress has announced the creation of the World Digital Library today, a project that's also just received its first $3 million in funding from Google." Full text at: http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday/article.php/3565881 Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From Melora.Norman at maine.gov Tue Nov 22 11:22:56 2005 From: Melora.Norman at maine.gov (Norman, Melora) Date: Tue Nov 22 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Anyone recommend good reporting utility for statistics? Message-ID: <3233E4190E74E84CB8BB502705B83EFF6D8F6C@SOM-TEAQASMAIL1.som.w2k.state.me.us> As I create and gather data from an increasing number of complex surveys, I find that my biggest challenge is trying to create reports using tools like Word, Excel and Access. Does anyone out there know of a better statistical reporting utility that will import, format and print data in a variety of presentation formats? Many thanks, Melora Melora Ranney Norman, outreach coordinator Maine State Library LMA Cultural Bldg., SHS 64 Augusta, ME 04333 melora.norman@maine.gov (207) 287-5653 www.maine.gov/msl/outreach You CAN get there from here . . . @your library From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 22 11:44:28 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 22 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Article about the Open Content Alliance Message-ID: Interesting article in today's San Francisco Chronicle about Brewster Kahle and the Open Content Alliance: "While Google has alienated authors and publishers with its plan to digitize books still in copyright, Kahle has moved gingerly, forging collaborations with Google's fiercest archrivals -- Microsoft and Yahoo -- to create a kinder, gentler digital library effort called the Open Content Alliance." Full text via: http://tinyurl.com/apkdy Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Tue Nov 22 13:33:27 2005 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Tue Nov 22 13:35:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Technical question re:MovableType Message-ID: Is anybody using MT on a Windows box? We're evaluating MT but we're having some technical difficulties. I've tried the user community, but received very little help, and SixApart does not provide support to those doing the free trial. If you are willing and able to help, please respond privately. Thanks. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-8946 http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ From redfernshaw at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 15:03:34 2005 From: redfernshaw at yahoo.com (Jocelyn Shaw) Date: Tue Nov 22 15:03:35 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base, any libraries starting to use this Message-ID: <20051122200334.30206.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have put a couple of events on Google Base. It will be interesting to see if it actually brings people in! Jocelyn Jocelyn Shaw, MLIS Documents Librarian, Web Mistress Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Ave Muskegon MI 49441 jshaw@hackleylibrary.org http://hackleylibrary.org --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From jdunck at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 16:12:04 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Tue Nov 22 16:12:08 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google donateing $3M to LOC for World Digital Library Message-ID: <2545a92c0511221312u351b7f57qf5b7beebad1a7388@mail.gmail.com> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/22/google_provides_3m_f.htm I'm sure rights holders will find a way that this is bad. ;-) From rsullivan at sals.edu Tue Nov 22 17:34:27 2005 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Tue Nov 22 17:33:42 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Read and write but not execute from USB flash drives (&other removable media) References: <000401c5ed26$19ddbeb0$2001040a@Colossus> <1f0a5f9f0511201945h7683e5b6je208f114c541e241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b901c5efb4$e61a1d30$2001040a@Colossus> >Unfortunately, some USB drives need to install themselves in order to operate as a drive... have you had any problem with users being unable to read and write from their flash keys since using this software? We don't allow users to install their own software, so we have had no problems caused by Trust-No-Exe. Our intent is to provide a stable, safe environment for patrons who wish to use the Internet or Microsoft Office. We were happy when the systems people at our consortium found TNE because we could allow access to storage media larger than a floppy without worrying about someone bringing in something bad. Disabling execution does mean that they can't run a portable browser, or the album software on their picture disc from Stuff-Mart, or the software from their class. We do what we can to work around these issues (some files are easily accessible if you know how to navigate through the drive), but we can't be all things to all people. Bob Sullivan Schenectady County Public Library (NY) Schenectady Digital History Archive From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 22 17:44:35 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 22 17:44:37 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google bashing Message-ID: I liked the following John Murrell quote from today's Good Morning Silicon Valley blog: "It's hard to muster up sympathy for a company whose market cap is north of $110 billion and climbing, but some days, you just want to say 'poor Google.' Cursed by being big, clever, popular, rich and ambitious, the company can hardly pet a puppy without being called a dognapper." Murrell was referring to this blog entry about today's announcement of LC's "World Digital Library" project: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/11/twodimensional.php If you have problems with the above URL, try this: http://tinyurl.com/7m7cl Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From raywood at magma.ca Tue Nov 22 18:14:49 2005 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Tue Nov 22 18:15:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Technical question re:MovableType In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051122231449.GG10414@ncf.ca> Allegedly, on Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:33:27PM -0600, Karen Harker stated: > Is anybody using MT on a Windows box? We're evaluating MT but we're > having some technical difficulties. I've tried the user community, but > received very little help, and SixApart does not provide support to > those doing the free trial. > > If you are willing and able to help, please respond privately. > > Thanks. > > > Karen R. Harker, MLS > UT Southwestern Medical Library > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Dallas, TX 75390-9049 > 214-648-8946 > http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ Wordpress is free (as in freedom), and worth a look. HTH, Raymond From redfernshaw at yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 07:12:07 2005 From: redfernshaw at yahoo.com (Jocelyn Shaw) Date: Wed Nov 23 07:12:12 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Base Message-ID: <20051123121207.31810.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have been asked to provide more info on how I am using Google Base, so here goes... I have added two events: 1: Chickadee Diner or Cardinal Cafe...Your Guide to Fine Dining For Backyard Birds 2: All I want for the holidays is...a digital camera I did a sample search on bird feeding hackley and digital camera hackley, respectively, and both popped up. Bird feeding muskegon also brought up the program, but digital camera muskegon didn't bring the program up. I just added muskegon to the search terms, so that may help. Jocelyn Jocelyn Shaw, MLIS Documents Librarian, Web Mistress Hackley Public Library 316 W Webster Ave Muskegon MI 49441 jshaw@hackleylibrary.org http://hackleylibrary.org --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Wed Nov 23 09:32:15 2005 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed Nov 23 09:32:46 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Technical question re:MovableType Message-ID: Yes, WordPress is another software under consideration for further evaluation. Thanks. Karen >>> Raymond Wood 11/22/2005 5:14:49 PM >>> Allegedly, on Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:33:27PM -0600, Karen Harker stated: > Is anybody using MT on a Windows box? We're evaluating MT but we're > having some technical difficulties. I've tried the user community, but > received very little help, and SixApart does not provide support to > those doing the free trial. > > If you are willing and able to help, please respond privately. > > Thanks. > > > Karen R. Harker, MLS > UT Southwestern Medical Library > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Dallas, TX 75390-9049 > 214-648-8946 > http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ Wordpress is free (as in freedom), and worth a look. HTH, Raymond _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jkup at jkup.net Wed Nov 23 12:40:13 2005 From: jkup at jkup.net (John Kupersmith) Date: Wed Nov 23 12:43:35 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real people in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly misleading. This is like many of the labeling challenges that libraries face. The most important role of a name at this level is just to get users moving in the right direction. It's a rare thing for a name also to clarify the distinctions, ramifications, and complications that lurk just below the surface. If you think we've got problems, try finding a new name for a Israeli political party: < http://tinyurl.com/74reh > or a name that makes kangaroo meat seem appetizing: < http://tinyurl.com/9uffw > --jk >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:48:44 -0800 >From: "K.G. Schneider" >Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name >To: > > > In any language, the new name is still confusing. Is the point to find > > books, or to search the full text of books? Are the items on the hit list > > "snippets" or are they full text of books? What do end users think they > > are > > searching for? What do they expect to retrieve? > > Plus ?a change... > > /rich > >My hunch is that "Google Books" was some third rail they didn't want to >encounter, so they made it Google Book Search. But I've been calling it >Google Books (even though a blogger wagged his finger at those of us doing >this) because it's one more syllable and one more word than most Google >projects. > >We could ask them to change it to Google OPAC; or perhaps Google >Bibliographic Utility... > >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 23 13:20:45 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 23 13:21:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> Message-ID: <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> > I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real people > in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's > reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly > misleading. What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are books..? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 13:29:53 2005 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed Nov 23 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: What's misleading is: what object are you retrieving? If it's an out of copyright or in some cases apparently out of print book, you get full text. If it's in-copyright, you apparently get a "snippet" and perhaps a link to purchase the book. Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book from 2005 in snippet? /rich On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > > I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real > people > > in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's > > reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly > > misleading. > > What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are > books..? > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From jdunck at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 13:34:09 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed Nov 23 13:34:12 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511231034r3b626e47s707d8eded080275d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/05, Richard Wiggins wrote: > Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the > prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books > Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book > from 2005 in snippet? It'd be nice if there were some pressure for copyright to not extend forever. :) From sgray at umich.edu Wed Nov 23 13:58:46 2005 From: sgray at umich.edu (Suzanne M. Gray) Date: Wed Nov 23 13:58:52 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: Hmmmm, but you are still searching within books, regardless of whether the result set may contain different amounts of immediately available content. And you are exposed to books that you might not have ever known to exist. It brings to mind many subscription databases that include a mix of citation only and full text items. Limiting searches would seem to be key here. This reminds me a bit of the challenge of books held in remote storage. Many of our users would rather limit their search to the library where they are, rather than have to travel or request an item from another facility. So I am sure that many would want to limit to items immediately available online, whether that gets them the best possible information or not. For most patrons, it seems good enough is good enough for them, but often not for us. The problem of helping our patrons become better information consumers is not going to be affected in any way by the name of this product, imho. However, regardless of name, its availability will get someone in Carthage TN immediate access to more information than they ever would have known existed. "School girls" and we former "school girls" are a cagey bunch, so don't worry about us. I think folks will be able to figure it out rather quickly. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Suzanne Gray Web Services Manager University Library University of Michigan sgray@umich.edu @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Richard Wiggins wrote: > What's misleading is: what object are you retrieving? If it's an out of > copyright or in some cases apparently out of print book, you get full > text. If it's in-copyright, you apparently get a "snippet" and perhaps a > link to purchase the book. > > Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the > prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books > Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book > from 2005 in snippet? > > /rich > > > On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: >> >>> I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real >> people >>> in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's >>> reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly >>> misleading. >> >> What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are >> books..? >> >> Karen G. Schneider >> kgs@bluehighways.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Wed Nov 23 14:04:30 2005 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:04:40 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <4384BD3E.4080200@library.gatech.edu> So, how is this worse than your library catalog? -Ross. Richard Wiggins wrote: >What's misleading is: what object are you retrieving? If it's an out of >copyright or in some cases apparently out of print book, you get full >text. If it's in-copyright, you apparently get a "snippet" and perhaps a >link to purchase the book. > >Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the >prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books >Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book >from 2005 in snippet? > >/rich > > >On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > >>>I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real >>> >>> >>people >> >> >>>in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's >>>reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly >>>misleading. >>> >>> >>What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are >>books..? >> >>Karen G. Schneider >>kgs@bluehighways.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Web4lib mailing list >>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 23 14:08:55 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:09:15 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006b01c5f061$5b2989b0$6401a8c0@venus> Well, in the time-honored practice of rhetoricians everywhere, let me change the question under guise of clarification. What does "Google Book Search" clarify for Ms. Prototypical of Tennessee that "Google Books" doesn't? I suppose we could call it Google Atomized Snippets, or Google Old-Information-Wants-To-Be-Free, All-Others-Pay-Cash. but I'm missing some nuance here that is going far over my schoolgirlish head. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com What's misleading is: what object are you retrieving? If it's an out of copyright or in some cases apparently out of print book, you get full text. If it's in-copyright, you apparently get a "snippet" and perhaps a link to purchase the book. Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book from 2005 in snippet? /rich On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real people > in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's > reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly > misleading. What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are books..? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From brad.eden at unlv.edu Wed Nov 23 14:21:46 2005 From: brad.eden at unlv.edu (brad.eden@unlv.edu) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ALA Midwinter: ALCTS Scholarly Communications DG Message-ID: Please excuse duplicate postings. The ALCTS Scholarly Communications discussion group invites all interested individuals to its meeting on Monday, January 23, 2006, from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. in the Henry B. Gonzales Convention Center, Room 211. We will be having informal reports from the following individuals on the topic of scholarly communications, followed by discussions and questions from the group. Hope to see all of you there. Catherine Candee from the California Digital Library, eScholarship Program Catherine Hixson and Elizabeth Breakstone, University of Oregon, Scholars' Bank Janice Boyer, University of Nebraska-Omaha, local forums and initiatives Julie Bobay, University of Indiana, D-Space institutional repository ____________________________________________ Brad Eden, Ph.D. Chair, ALCTS Scholarly Communications Head, Web and Digitization Services University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries brad.eden@unlv.edu Andrea Imre Vice-Chair, ALCTS Scholarly Communications Southern Illinois University aimre@lib.siu.edu From elizabeth at avenue.org Wed Nov 23 14:34:14 2005 From: elizabeth at avenue.org (Elizabeth Harman) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:34:09 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: <006b01c5f061$5b2989b0$6401a8c0@venus> References: <006b01c5f061$5b2989b0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <4384C436.6080407@avenue.org> K.G. Schneider wrote: > Well, in the time-honored practice of rhetoricians everywhere, let me change > the question under guise of clarification. What does "Google Book Search" > clarify for Ms. Prototypical of Tennessee that "Google Books" doesn't? Well, to this non-librarian "Google Books" sounds like a publisher - what new titles has Google Books put out? And "Google Book Search" is exactly that, a book search, much like "Google Image Search". In the same vein, I'd expect "Google Images" to be images they created. Liz -- Liz Harman Internet Specialist Monticello Avenue From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 23 14:48:03 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:48:36 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? Message-ID: This doesn't strike me as rocket science--rather as a rudimentary awareness of the nuances of the English language. If I see "Microsoft Books," I'd be inclined to expect a place where I go to get books (and Microsoft does publish books, but they call it "Microsoft Press") If I see "Microsoft Book Search," I'd be inclined to expect a place where I go to search for books. And I'd be right, except that Microsoft chose to call it MSN Book Search. "Joe's Books" is likely to be a bookstore. "Joe's Book Search" is likely to be a catalog of some sort, or perhaps a service to locate books. Seems to me Google made a good choice, since most items in Google Book Search will be searchable but not directly available. I still don't quite understand why people feel the need to override Google's choice of names, substituting an ambiguous name for a fairly specific one. Surely one extra syllable can't be THAT hard. Or that some "principle" that Google names never have more than two words means that Google doesn't get to change the "principle." Heck, "Librarian's Internet Index" is three words and nine syllables, but I haven't seen too many people decide that it should be "Librarian's Internet" or "Librarian's Index" or "LibIntInd" or "LibStuff" instead. Back to lurker mode, since I'm unable to comprehend the need to dumb down a simple three-word name. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- From Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us Wed Nov 23 15:10:38 2005 From: Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bret Parker) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:10:56 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name Message-ID: I'm with you, Ross. The project is not perfect either in concept or in deployment, but it's happening regardless of what the naysayers have to say. If you give a gift and the recipient can't figure out what to do with it, that does not necessarily diminish the value of the gift itself. Someone else might find some use for it. I say, Let it come. The wrinkles will get worked out (hopefully) over time -- and if not, then we can hope that will just be more job security for us. Bret Parker Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library >>> Ross Singer 11/23/2005 11:04 AM >>> So, how is this worse than your library catalog? -Ross. Richard Wiggins wrote: >What's misleading is: what object are you retrieving? If it's an out of >copyright or in some cases apparently out of print book, you get full >text. If it's in-copyright, you apparently get a "snippet" and perhaps a >link to purchase the book. > >Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For the >prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching the Google Books >Search collection, is the book from 1899 in full text superior to the book >from 2005 in snippet? > >/rich > > >On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > >>>I agree that "Google Book Search" is likely to be shortened by real >>> >>> >>people >> >> >>>in everyday use, but it's hard to imagine a better alternative that's >>>reasonably concise, contains the target word "books" yet isn't grossly >>>misleading. >>> >>> >>What's misleading, grossly, or otherwise? It's Google, and them are >>books..? >> >>Karen G. Schneider >>kgs@bluehighways.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Web4lib mailing list >>Web4lib@webjunction.org >>http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 23 15:18:42 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:18:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> > This doesn't strike me as rocket science--rather as a rudimentary > awareness > of the nuances of the English language. Well, it's a nuance clearly beyond my abilities. I'm tearing up my diplomas, right now! BAD girl! No pumpkin pie until I dumb down, I mean diagram, ten sentences (which I will find through Amazon's "Search Inside the Book Search," if I don't first use "Google Search")! By the way, Walt, how ARE things going with "RedLightGreen Search"? Speaking of search engines, in a report dated 11/27/2005 (!), Pew reports that since 2004, "use of search engines on a typical day has jumped from 30% to 41% of the internet-using population." The report also notes that 9 out of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy mothers choose Google?) http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/167/source/rss/report_display.asp Karen G. Schneider-Search kgs@bluehighways.com From jdunck at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 15:24:13 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:24:17 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> References: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511231224x2ee573ffn6912b57591326b12@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > The report also notes that 9 out > of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy > mothers choose Google?) How does the other 10% find stuff? MSN and AOL portal pages? Ugh. Those poor people. From blevrault at swkls.org Wed Nov 23 15:32:00 2005 From: blevrault at swkls.org (Bethany Levrault) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:27:55 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4384D1C0.4070402@swkls.org> Let's face it -- librarians are somewhat jealous of Google. Hence all this discussion and naysaying. After all, how many Google listservs are there that discuss library catalogs in such minute detail? I think what Google is doing is great. Yes, they are somewhat of a monopoly, and yes, the lexical structure of their search names is less than perfect, but they've improved Web searching immensely over the past several years, and should be credited for putting books back in the "spotlight" for the average user who is doing a Web search. -- Bethany Levrault Cataloging Coordinator Southwest Kansas Library System 100 Military Ave., Suite 210 Dodge City, KS 67801 (620) 225-1231 x207 blevrault@swkls.org From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 23 15:34:59 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:35:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: I had nothing to do with naming RedLightGreen--but like "Google" itself, it implies nothing or nearly nothing about what the service is or does. Neither do "Yahoo!" or "Eureka" for that matter. None of them carry descriptive implications--but that also means none of them carry *misleading* implications. I'm not saying all product and service names should be descriptive; that would be silly. What I am saying is that, when a product name *is* descriptive, it makes sense to call it by that descriptive name rather than by a different, less descriptive, name that the provider of the service doesn't use. And, for the record, no personal rudeness was meant (or, I believe, present) in my previous comment. But then, I also haven't been telling people to "shut your piehole," so it's likely that I'm being rude when I'm not aware of it, unlike the kinder, gentler, more sensitive souls around here. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/23/2005 12:18:42 PM: > > This doesn't strike me as rocket science--rather as a rudimentary > > awareness > > of the nuances of the English language. > > Well, it's a nuance clearly beyond my abilities. I'm tearing up my diplomas, > right now! BAD girl! No pumpkin pie until I dumb down, I mean diagram, ten > sentences (which I will find through Amazon's "Search Inside the Book > Search," if I don't first use "Google Search")! By the way, Walt, how ARE > things going with "RedLightGreen Search"? > > Speaking of search engines, in a report dated 11/27/2005 (!), Pew reports > that since 2004, "use of search engines on a typical day has jumped from 30% > to 41% of the internet-using population." The report also notes that 9 out > of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy > mothers choose Google?) > > http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/167/source/rss/report_display.asp > > Karen G. Schneider-Search > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dempseyl at oclc.org Wed Nov 23 15:36:01 2005 From: dempseyl at oclc.org (Dempsey,Lorcan) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:36:03 2005 Subject: A name ..... RE: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? Message-ID: <632EDB1E16D4E041A0EF1DB3ADF67B2B02FB74C4@OAEXCH1SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Changing subject slightly, but picking up on something mentioned below .... I think that RedLightGreen is is a marvellous name. It is one of the few library service names to emerge in the age of Internet naming which displays the wit and imagination that has characterized some of the best Internet services. Coincidentally, I said something similar the other day here: http://orweblog.oclc.org/archives/000865.html Lorcan Lorcan Dempsey [http://orweblog.oclc.org] OCLC Research [http://www.oclc.org/research/] -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:19 PM To: web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? > This doesn't strike me as rocket science--rather as a rudimentary > awareness of the nuances of the English language. Well, it's a nuance clearly beyond my abilities. I'm tearing up my diplomas, right now! BAD girl! No pumpkin pie until I dumb down, I mean diagram, ten sentences (which I will find through Amazon's "Search Inside the Book Search," if I don't first use "Google Search")! By the way, Walt, how ARE things going with "RedLightGreen Search"? Speaking of search engines, in a report dated 11/27/2005 (!), Pew reports that since 2004, "use of search engines on a typical day has jumped from 30% to 41% of the internet-using population." The report also notes that 9 out of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy mothers choose Google?) http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/167/source/rss/report_display.asp Karen G. Schneider-Search kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From elizabeth at avenue.org Wed Nov 23 15:36:25 2005 From: elizabeth at avenue.org (Elizabeth Harman) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:38:28 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> References: <009201c5f06b$1b169980$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <4384D2C9.3000609@avenue.org> K.G. Schneider wrote: > Speaking of search engines, in a report dated 11/27/2005 (!), Pew reports > that since 2004, "use of search engines on a typical day has jumped from 30% > to 41% of the internet-using population." The report also notes that 9 out > of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy > mothers choose Google?) Does it also mention how many Internet users will use anything labeled "search"? Here at out library, the Monticello Avenue home page says "search avenue.org". Do you know how many complaints I get because it can't find Yahoo or Google? And this is after we changed it from simply saying "search". So the complaints died down, but they still happen. All the Google bashing that takes place on this list sometimes makes me think folks are scared that it will replace a person. Did you bash Yahoo this much when it was the search engine of choice? Liz -- Liz Harman Internet Specialist Monticello Avenue From breynolds at debevoise.com Wed Nov 23 15:41:54 2005 From: breynolds at debevoise.com (Reynolds, Bess) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:43:17 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? Message-ID: <645BA8058938124AA0D1B342D643D21705A23C5B@EXCHANGE.debevoise.net> Well if you believe InfoPeople, there are a few other places to search. Teoma, Dogpile, to name a few. The Librarians Internet Index, one of my favorites for finding *good information*. (Which I know is not a search engine.) We have seen the results of comparative searching, and know you do not get the exact same results from every search engine. Best search tools chart: http://www.infopeople.org/search/chart.html (Today is almost a Friday, but not quite.) Bess -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Dunck Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:24 PM To: kgs@bluehighways.com Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? On 11/23/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: > The report also notes that 9 out > of 10 dentists, I mean internet-users, use search engines. (But do choosy > mothers choose Google?) How does the other 10% find stuff? MSN and AOL portal pages? Ugh. Those poor people. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 23 15:56:23 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:56:33 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <4384D2C9.3000609@avenue.org> Message-ID: <00a401c5f070$5d981ae0$6401a8c0@venus> > All the Google bashing that takes place on this list sometimes makes me > think folks are scared that it will replace a person. Did you bash Yahoo > this much when it was the search engine of choice? What Google bashing DOES take place on this list? I see intelligent discussion, tips for usage, reports of its activities, speculations about its future, worries about Google and its affect on libraries, positive comparisons with your typically evil ILS, explorations of its strengths and limitations, and the occasional "well, I sometimes search something else." Then there are some critiques that are valid, and are nearly always framed in debate-like back-and-forths. Did I miss a thread where we drubbed Google? Your comment about Yahoo does remind me of one thing: all things change. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 23 16:04:55 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:05:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <00a401c5f070$5d981ae0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: I don't always disagree with Karen: I haven't seen any Google bashing on Web4Lib either. Indeed, I'd guess almost everyone on Web4Lib uses Google and appreciates what it does and is trying to do. Yes, it's a company, not a religion (sorry, had to paraphrase the title on my current "disContent" column in EContent), but I believe most Web4Lib discussions are on Google strengths, limitations, quirks, and naming conventions--not accusations of evil or anything even close to bashing. I'll bet there are at least a few Googlers on the list. I'll bet they feel welcome here as well. At least I hope so. Seems to me some of us raised questions about AltaVista's total excellence and perfection back when it was #1 as well. Ditto Yahoo! (still a pretty strong #2 even as a search engine). None of which was or is bashing. (Now, Gopher *was* perfect, so of course we never said anything bad about it...and yes, that is a weak attempt at humor.) This is a good day to give thanks that we have competition for excellence among web search engines. None perfect, all useful, and none of them out to destroy or undermine libraries or librarians... Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/23/2005 12:56:23 PM: > > All the Google bashing that takes place on this list sometimes makes me > > think folks are scared that it will replace a person. Did you bash Yahoo > > this much when it was the search engine of choice? > > What Google bashing DOES take place on this list? I see intelligent > discussion, tips for usage, reports of its activities, speculations about > its future, worries about Google and its affect on libraries, positive > comparisons with your typically evil ILS, explorations of its strengths and > limitations, and the occasional "well, I sometimes search something else." > Then there are some critiques that are valid, and are nearly always framed > in debate-like back-and-forths. Did I miss a thread where we drubbed Google? > > > Your comment about Yahoo does remind me of one thing: all things change. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jdunck at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 16:07:23 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:07:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Yet another google thread: blind test for search quality Message-ID: <2545a92c0511231307i15ca64d4ma915bc48fdb34fdd@mail.gmail.com> http://www.webmasterbrain.com/seo-news/seo-tools-news/blind-study-finds-google-really-does-offer-best-results/ The efficacy of the test and its results are debatable, but interesting. From elizabeth at avenue.org Wed Nov 23 16:09:28 2005 From: elizabeth at avenue.org (Elizabeth Harman) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:09:24 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <00a401c5f070$5d981ae0$6401a8c0@venus> References: <00a401c5f070$5d981ae0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <4384DA88.4050000@avenue.org> K.G. Schneider wrote: > What Google bashing DOES take place on this list? I see intelligent > discussion, tips for usage, reports of its activities, speculations about > its future, worries about Google and its affect on libraries, positive > comparisons with your typically evil ILS, explorations of its strengths and > limitations, and the occasional "well, I sometimes search something else." > Then there are some critiques that are valid, and are nearly always framed > in debate-like back-and-forths. Did I miss a thread where we drubbed Google? Yes the conversations are all of the above but they seem to start off with "Look what Google's doing NOW". Perhaps the thread on Google search results still rings in my head. For my purposes, and those of my Internet users, Google gives the results we have expected. I expect the same with GBS. Look at our current thread. It was "Google Print changes its name" and now its become a conversation on why didn't they just call it "Google Books" - don't they realise that's shorter and easier to remember? That is a form of bashing - not extreme, but its still a case of Google didn't/doesn't do this right and here's why. Liz -- Liz Harman Internet Specialist Monticello Avenue From elizabeth at avenue.org Wed Nov 23 16:15:50 2005 From: elizabeth at avenue.org (Elizabeth Harman) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:15:48 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4384DC06.7030408@avenue.org> Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > I haven't seen any Google bashing on Web4Lib either. ... After reading your response I have to admit that I'm wrong and I apologize. Can I use the "patrons seem to think that since its the day before a holiday they can violate policies and think I should turn the other cheek defense"? Liz -- Liz Harman Internet Specialist Monticello Avenue From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 23 16:34:47 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:35:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? In-Reply-To: <4384DC06.7030408@avenue.org> Message-ID: Here's a better one: It's the day before Thanksgiving, and the tryptophan is kicking in early... We all need a vacation, maybe some of it unplugged! (He sez as he gets ready to leave for the day.) And we all need to be excused now and then, particularly right around the holidays. And just as a parting shot, here's an interesting but not surprising tidbit from that Pew report that may help show why Google's made Gmail as attractive as possible: "On an average day, internet users on the comScore panel spent more than 24 minutes on email, compared to 3.5 minutes for search engines." [I'm DEFINITELY not bashing Gmail, as witness my only other public email address, waltcrawford@gmail.com] Walt Crawford web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/23/2005 01:15:50 PM: > Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > > > I haven't seen any Google bashing on Web4Lib either. ... > > After reading your response I have to admit that I'm wrong and I > apologize. Can I use the "patrons seem to think that since its the day > before a holiday they can violate policies and think I should turn the > other cheek defense"? > > Liz > > -- > Liz Harman > Internet Specialist > Monticello Avenue > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From lars at aronsson.se Thu Nov 24 05:42:02 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Thu Nov 24 05:42:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051122100859.0356a278@pop3.catalog.com> <004101c5f05a$9fa34f10$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: Richard Wiggins wrote: > Today, for this crowd, that is all understandable, parsable. For > the prototypical school girl in Carthage, Tennessee searching > the Google Books Search collection, is the book from 1899 in > full text superior to the book from 2005 in snippet? Is availability important? Yes it is. This problem is a lot older than Google, and really has nothing to do with Google. Or maybe it has everything to do with Google and the Internet, since they both make (some) stuff more available, so that it overshadows other stuff. If your school library has the Bible but not the Quran, what religion will the children learn? How can you help? You can donate Bibles (or the Quran) to your school library. People make available the works they think are important. I digitize Scandinavian literature. There are 38 million Poles and 9 million Swedes, but far more Swedish than Polish literature on the web. I win, they lose. Books (newspapers, magazines, music albums, movies) from 2005 are in print and have reviews on Amazon.com and get mentioned in blogs. They are highly available. Books from 1875 are out of copyright and can be digitized and made available in full. Works from 1955 or 1985 are not so fortunate, because they are in copyright but mostly out of print. This is a problem if we think 1955 and 1985 are worth remembering. A prototypical school girl wrote to Project Runeberg the other day and asked if the Bible was in copyright (our scanned 1917 edition is not) and if she could modernize some words for a schoolwork she was preparing. To her, "the Bible" was apparently the one she found on our site (runeberg.org/bibeln). Her question shows a number of misconceptions, but is that our problem? Our answer was that it's not under copyright and she can do what she wants to the text. Whether altering the source text is appropriate for a schoolwork, ought to be a question for her teacher (not for us!), but does the teacher even understand that this could be a problem? Does the teacher care that the pupil is not quoting from the new official (Swedish) Bible translation from 2000? It too is available for free online (www.bibeln.se), but the text isn't searchable by Google because of how that website was designed. That is not my problem, since I like the 1917 translation better. I win again. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Thu Nov 24 13:51:04 2005 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Thu Nov 24 13:51:08 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: <4384BD3E.4080200@library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20051124185104.2406.qmail@web50814.mail.yahoo.com> I always find it a bit strange when librarians delve into lexicography or philology or anything having to do with defining words. I keep telling potential users of my services as a librarian and metadata specialist that librarians and the library profession are ill suited for such things. Most librarians are readers, and not writers. Alain Vaillancourt __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Nov 24 23:51:16 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Fri Nov 25 01:21:06 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Google Print gets new name In-Reply-To: <20051124185104.2406.qmail@web50814.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051125045112.D3908571417@frontend2.messagingengine.com> > I always find it a bit strange when librarians delve into lexicography > or philology or anything having to do with defining words. I keep > telling potential users of my services as a librarian and metadata > specialist that librarians and the library profession are ill suited > for such things. Most librarians are readers, and not writers. > > Alain Vaillancourt I am skeptical of most statements beginning with "most." But more to the point, I think it's perfectly reasonable that professionals who spend a lot of time actively engaging with language--encounters that can happen through reading, or writing, or searching, or studying search logs, or developing search engines, or many other things--would toy with the fringes of lexicography, philology, orthography, playwithwordsogy, and so forth. For us, reading is not a passive experience. Finally, some of us are writers, as well. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From S.J.Newman at brighton.ac.uk Fri Nov 25 08:17:26 2005 From: S.J.Newman at brighton.ac.uk (S.J.Newman@brighton.ac.uk) Date: Fri Nov 25 08:17:50 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? Message-ID: <2B4BE0070968EA45845CF7075B0CF3C8B2B919@generalems.bton.ac.uk> Everyone. According to Wired at http://wired.com/wired/archive/13.12/google.html Steve Steve Newman Networked Information Services Manager University of Brighton, UK +44 (0)1273 642637 InterAction: newsletter of Information Services see http://interact.brighton.ac.uk/is/interaction From holkj at llcoop.org Fri Nov 25 09:44:11 2005 From: holkj at llcoop.org (Keith A. Jones) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:45:47 2005 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Message-ID: This idea may have already been mentioned, but you could take a pair of wire snips and cut off the plastic tab just above the place where it locks the cable into place. Then they would need a pen knife to remove the cable. But then again, so would you. Keith. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Edelblute Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:16 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm Check with your network security experts to make sure they have not turned off ICMP traffic before implementing a solution like this. Our City IT department implemented such a security measure and ping stopped working. Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wiggins Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:01 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] ethernet cable alarm There are a number of software products that will monitor devices in various ways, the simplest being a PING test. An example is What's Up Gold. The software has management screens that show status of a bunch of devices, normally used for monitoring servers, but it could be used to make sure a fleet of PCs is online. But if you do this client-side, what if the PC is simply powered down before it's unplugged? If you do this server side, wouldn't an alert go off if the PC is powered down, or if there is a glitch on the network? /rich On 11/4/05, McMorris,Don wrote: > Maybe you don't need an alarm that the cable is unplugged, but software that monitors the loss of connectivity... > > What I'm thinking is something that pings the server every 10 or 15 seconds. If it gets a reply, it does nothing. If at one moment it cannot connect, it will cause an action (IE: make the PC speaker continuously alarm, start a full screen application which flashes alternating black-and-white saying "Don't touch my cables!", something like that. > > Or, the server will ping the clients. If ping fails, it sends a windows messenger (winpopup, net send) message to whatever workstation "Client CRKRPC1 lost connectivity" > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From holkj at llcoop.org Fri Nov 25 09:44:12 2005 From: holkj at llcoop.org (Keith A. Jones) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:45:49 2005 Subject: FW: [Web4lib] USB Key Usage Message-ID: Hmmm....we have the same setup but don't have any problems with USB devices. I assume that the problem does not happen when Fortres is disabled. What version and build of Fortres are you using? There's probably a setting in the Fortres security that is getting in the way of installing the device. Have you looked at the Diagnostics setting in Fortres to see if any error messages are logged before the system restarts? Keith. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of MJEAN.WILLIAMSADAMS Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:06 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Cc: ROLAND.POMPEY; LATONYA.BOWENS; JAMES.SHAW Subject: [Web4lib] USB Key Usage Our library is encountering numerous problems with the use of USB flash drives. MS XP OS is installed on all the computers in the public areas and when the students insert their drives, some of the computers will automatically restart,( several times). This is not good, because students will insert the drives to save their documents to after they have typed themcompletely, when the flash drive is inserted in the computer it will restart, loosing the students document. What have you encountered with this problem and how did you resolve it? Any work arounds? Fortres settings to correct this problem? By the way, we are also using Fortres software as a security measure in conjunction with the MS XP operating system and the DELL GX270/280 series computers. M Jean Williams Adams Systems Librarian Coleman Memorial Library Florida A&M University Tallahassee, FL 32307-4700 Phone: (850) 561-2131 Fax: (850) 561-2599 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From emorgan at nd.edu Sun Nov 27 12:37:22 2005 From: emorgan at nd.edu (Eric Lease Morgan) Date: Sun Nov 27 12:38:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] google analytics Message-ID: <47B2433B-2F38-4C36-95B1-680DC49D9BE6@nd.edu> Consider exploiting Google Analytics as an alternative/supplement to your Web server log file analysis: http://www.google.com/analytics/ After visiting the URL above, signing up for and getting a free account, you insert a specific piece of Javascript into the HTML code of your website. Browsers that come to your site then execute the Javascript and send content back to the Google "home planet". After a few days you can log into Google Analytics again to see how people got to your site, where they went, and how the left. Lot's of charts, graphs, summaries describing your audience and their use of the content you make available. When this service was made freely available a few weeks ago, there was a long diatribe on Slashdot about putting arbitrary Javascript into HTML. There is something to be said about this, but at the same time, I trust Google. I sincerely believe they are out to make the world's content more accessible, and they aren't being capitalists pigs in the process. -- Eric Lease Morgan University Libraries of Notre Dame From ina.smith at up.ac.za Mon Nov 28 05:01:23 2005 From: ina.smith at up.ac.za (Ina Smith) Date: Mon Nov 28 05:01:41 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] GoogleScholar & ScholarSFX Message-ID: Good day I would like to know whether anybody have tried out/implemented GoogleScholar & ScholarSFX in stead of a commercial federated search product and link resolver. If so, what is your experience of the functionality of the two products? Many thanks! Ina Smith E-Application Specialist Academic Information Service (Library) University of Pretoria South Africa Tel.: +27 12 420 3082 Fax: +27 12 362 5100 E-mail: ina.smith@up.ac.za This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule onderhewig. Volledige besonderhede is by www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ beskikbaar. From lars at aronsson.se Mon Nov 28 05:50:38 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Mon Nov 28 05:50:50 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: I'm looking at a set of MARC records from a library near me. Their cataloging guidelines are a very close translation of the Library of Congress' MARC21 guidelines, but there seems to be a lot of built-in tradition too, that isn't covered in documents. My experience (and I should point out that I'm a programmer, not a librarian) tells me that people will follow formatting rules if it matters, but not otherwise. All C, Java, and Perl programs have statements that end in a semicolon, or else they refuse to run. But not all programs are well structured, or easy to explain. And this seems to apply to MARC records as well. The search interface to this library's catalog seems to handle every subfield just the same. Sometimes in the personal names fields (100, 600, 700), I see subfields $c (title) and $d (years of birth and death) interchanged: 100 1 $a Meriam, James Lathrop, $c 1917-2000. 100 0 $a Husayn ibn Ali, $d King of Hejaz, $c 1853?-1931. 700 1 $a Barth $d Professor $4 aut In the two first examples, if the subfield markers are removed, the remainder is a human-readable line of text with commas and a period at the end. This is the more common case, but the third example doesn't have these commas. Is there a rule for this? In trying to clean up the records, simply removing the comma or period at the end of a subfield is insufficient, because there are cases such as "$c Dr." or "$a Eliot, T. S." where the period should be part of the subfield. The contents of subfield $d also varies greatly, e.g. the English "fl." (flourished) is mixed with the Swedish "levde", or the English "B.C." with the Swedish "f.Kr.", or more complicated statements such as "was born no later than 1751". Circa can be abbreviated "c." (as in English) or "ca" or "c:a" (as in Swedish). Or the simple question mark after 1853 in the example above. In LoC's guidelines, I find no rules for the text inside the $d subfield. Apparently, all these formatting inconsistencies exist because it really doesn't matter. You can search for "Lathrop 1917" or "King Husayn ibn Ali" and you find what you're looking for. Nobody would search for people having the title 1917. Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and how do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long since given up that fight? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 09:24:55 2005 From: bonnie.tijerina at gmail.com (Bonnie Tijerina) Date: Mon Nov 28 09:25:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for Proposals - Electronic Resources & Libraries 2006 Conference Message-ID: Electronic Resources & Libraries 2006 Conference March 23 ? 25, 2006 GA Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA Call for Proposals http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/call ******************************************* ER&L Conference Program Planning Committee encourages you to submit a proposal for the Electronic Resources & Libraries 2006 Conference to be held on March 23-25, 2006. The idea of this event is to bring together stakeholders inside and outside of the library to look at the impact the digital environment has on library collections, access to resources, and our organizations. We invite various perspectives and approaches to managing, promoting and accessing electronic resources. The overarching theme and mission is creating collaborative, cross-departmental, cross-community approaches to approaching the issues e-resources have brought to our environment. Proposals that have topics of interest to many areas of the library or outside the library are of special interest to the ER&L Program Planning Committee. The Program Planning Committee seeks proposals for a variety of session formats including presentations, panel sessions, debates, workshops, and roundtable discussions. Deadline for proposal submissions is flexible, but those proposals submitted by January 9, 2006 will get priority. All Call For Proposal information and proposal form is available at: http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/call Questions about the Call for Proposals should be directed to Bonnie Tijerina(bonnie.tijerina@library.gatech.edu) or Joan Conger(joan@joanconger.net). Complete details about the conference are online at http://www.electroniclibrarian.com/ -- Bonnie Tijerina Electronic Resources Coordinator, Collection Development Georgia Institute of Technology Library and Information Center Atlanta, GA 30332-0900 404-385-2044 AIM: bltijerina bonnie.tijerina@library.gatech.edu From breynolds at debevoise.com Mon Nov 28 09:39:46 2005 From: breynolds at debevoise.com (Reynolds, Bess) Date: Mon Nov 28 09:40:54 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: <645BA8058938124AA0D1B342D643D21705A240D0@EXCHANGE.debevoise.net> Lars, The examples look like mistakes as the d should be a date or dates. According to The Library of Congress, the proper order for subfields in a personal name are: a Personal name b Numeration (followed by a comma) c Titles and other words associated with the name (followed by a comma) q Fuller form of name d Dates associated with the name The first indicator 0 is for a forename, 1 is a surname, or 3 for family name. These are usually based on authority records that are maintained by the LOC. Here is a link to the LOC standards: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdmain.html#mrcb100 Bess -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:51 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness I'm looking at a set of MARC records from a library near me. Their cataloging guidelines are a very close translation of the Library of Congress' MARC21 guidelines, but there seems to be a lot of built-in tradition too, that isn't covered in documents. My experience (and I should point out that I'm a programmer, not a librarian) tells me that people will follow formatting rules if it matters, but not otherwise. All C, Java, and Perl programs have statements that end in a semicolon, or else they refuse to run. But not all programs are well structured, or easy to explain. And this seems to apply to MARC records as well. The search interface to this library's catalog seems to handle every subfield just the same. Sometimes in the personal names fields (100, 600, 700), I see subfields $c (title) and $d (years of birth and death) interchanged: 100 1 $a Meriam, James Lathrop, $c 1917-2000. 100 0 $a Husayn ibn Ali, $d King of Hejaz, $c 1853?-1931. 700 1 $a Barth $d Professor $4 aut In the two first examples, if the subfield markers are removed, the remainder is a human-readable line of text with commas and a period at the end. This is the more common case, but the third example doesn't have these commas. Is there a rule for this? In trying to clean up the records, simply removing the comma or period at the end of a subfield is insufficient, because there are cases such as "$c Dr." or "$a Eliot, T. S." where the period should be part of the subfield. The contents of subfield $d also varies greatly, e.g. the English "fl." (flourished) is mixed with the Swedish "levde", or the English "B.C." with the Swedish "f.Kr.", or more complicated statements such as "was born no later than 1751". Circa can be abbreviated "c." (as in English) or "ca" or "c:a" (as in Swedish). Or the simple question mark after 1853 in the example above. In LoC's guidelines, I find no rules for the text inside the $d subfield. Apparently, all these formatting inconsistencies exist because it really doesn't matter. You can search for "Lathrop 1917" or "King Husayn ibn Ali" and you find what you're looking for. Nobody would search for people having the title 1917. Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and how do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long since given up that fight? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jdunck at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 10:14:27 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Mon Nov 28 10:14:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Xooglers Message-ID: <2545a92c0511280714y173f5be6q94e080de2cd97e95@mail.gmail.com> Xooglers is a blog written by former Google employees. I thought it might be of interest to the list, since current employees are under strict NDA terms. http://xooglers.blogspot.com/2005/11/google-goes-electric.html This entry starts: " There's a lot in the news these days about Google Print... er, Google Book Search. People wonder how Google could so arrogantly assume that they can scan books that are under copyright and offer up snippets to online searchers. I'm not going into the details of the discussions that led to that decision here, but I'd like to offer my own observations on the culture that bred it. First, I accept that Larry and Sergey really are brilliant. I'm sure that on IQ tests, they're off the charts, but that's not the kind of brilliance I mean. I mean brilliant in the sense that they have a vision that burns so brightly within them it scorches everything that stands in its way. The truth is so obvious to them that they have no patience for the niceties of polite society when bringing that vision to life. " From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Mon Nov 28 10:46:09 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Mon Nov 28 10:46:53 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 5:14 available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large 5:14 (December 2005) is now available for downloading at http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ5i14.pdf This 28-page issue (PDF as always, with HTML essays separately available at http://cites.boisestate.edu/) is a post-Thanksgiving digital feast with two big related helpings of scanning goodness, a story involving a DRM turkey, a small side dish of crow, and a dessert of old/odd flicks. With that strained metaphor out of the way, here's what's in the issue: * Perspective: OCA and GLP 1: Ebooks, Etext, Libraries and the Commons - the first of two stories on the Open Content Alliance and Google Library Project. This one is entirely my perspectives and implications. * Following Up: Mea Culpa - a little bit of crow, following up on "Analogies, Gatekeepers and Blogging." * (C)3 Perspective: Sony BMG: DRM Gone Bad - what happens when a fine consumer electronics corporation turns into a Big Media turkey * Perspective: OCA and GLP 2: Steps on the Digitization Road - the second (and much larger) of two related perspectives, with an early set of notes on OCA and a lengthy set of quotes and comments on Google Book Search, the Google Library Project, the suits, and related matters. * Offtopic Perspective: SciFi Classics 50 Movie Pack, Part 1 - from Hercules and Gamera to the Wasp Woman and Pia Zadora, notes on 26 strange movies, half of what's now a $20 megapack, a few of which actually deserve the "SciFi" label. A note in closing: While this is the last issue of volume 5, it is *not* the end of the volume. For those who bind C&I volumes (if anyone else does), the volume index and title sheet will come out in the reasonably near future. From j.thomale at ttu.edu Mon Nov 28 10:57:35 2005 From: j.thomale at ttu.edu (Thomale, J) Date: Mon Nov 28 10:57:40 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: <8A4A1AC405A318409439CE7542F85E6581E79F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu> Hi Lars, > I'm looking at a set of MARC records from a library near me. > Their cataloging guidelines are a very close translation of > the Library of Congress' MARC21 guidelines, but there seems > to be a lot of built-in tradition too, that isn't covered in > documents. Although it isn't necessarily obvious from looking at a set of MARC guidelines (whether it's MARC 21 Concise from LOC or OCLC MARC or whatever), MARC is only supposed to dictate the structure of the record's content, not the formatting of that content. Whether or not the 100 field is written thusly: 100 1 $a James Lathrop Meriam $d 1917 to 2000 ["incorrect" according to most library's cataloging standards] is outside the scope of any MARC specification. In order to get the content formatting, you have to use a set of cataloging rules. English-speaking countries use the Anglo-American Cataloging Rules, version 2 (AACR2), which is a very complex set of rules that tells you exactly how to format text in a cataloging record (no matter whether or not that record is encoded using MARC). Now, I wasn't even a twinkle in my father's eye when MARC and AACR came about, but, from what I understand, these cataloging rules come out of the card catalog era, when you had to be very concise in order to fit the pertinent metadata on a card. This conciseness translated well to MARC when it was young due to strict limitations on numbers of characters for subfields, fields, and records. That's why you have all the abbreviations, punctuation conventions, etc. You're absolutely right, however, that there is a lot of tradition built into most libraries' cataloging practices. Although we all use MARC/AACR2, we all have our own local practices that--for better or worse--sometimes contradict these standards. And, because of these standards' age and the richness of their histories, there can be a lot of variety in local practice between, and even within, libraries. In a lot of cases there was at one time a good reason for a particular quirk, but the reasons have been forgotten or simply no longer apply--and yet the quirk persists. For some reason, I find the topic of local cataloging practices, how they developed, and why they exist to be terribly fascinating, so I apologize if I'm rambling. > My experience (and I should point out that I'm a programmer, not a > librarian) tells me that people will follow formatting rules > if it matters, but not otherwise. All C, Java, and Perl > programs have statements that end in a semicolon, or else > they refuse to run. > But not all programs are well structured, or easy to explain. > And this seems to apply to MARC records as well. Hmm. I also have a programming background that predates my librarian background, and that's a very interesting insight--although MARC/AACR2 provides a lot more structure than do the formatting rules of any particular programming language. > The search interface to this library's catalog seems to > handle every subfield just the same. Sometimes in the > personal names fields (100, 600, 700), I see subfields $c > (title) and $d (years of birth and death) interchanged: > > 100 1 $a Meriam, James Lathrop, $c 1917-2000. > 100 0 $a Husayn ibn Ali, $d King of Hejaz, $c 1853?-1931. > 700 1 $a Barth $d Professor $4 aut Something like this has got to be a mistake. The structure of the personal name fields is so standardized that switching subfields around like this could not be an actual practice. It's just too big of an inconsistency. And this is a MARC inconsistency, not an AACR2 inconsistency. > In the two first examples, if the subfield markers are > removed, the remainder is a human-readable line of text with > commas and a period at the end. This is the more common > case, but the third example doesn't have these commas. Is > there a rule for this? Yes. :-) In a card catalog record, "Meriam, James Lathrop, 1917-2000." would be written exactly so. This entire string would represent the author. In MARC, although the dates are separated out into a separate subfield, the formatting conventions persist. The last example, AFAIK, isn't meant to be read as a single string, so each separate subfield is just a separate piece of data, hence the lack of puncuation. Although I am not an expert on MARC/AACR2, similarities to those first two examples that you gave exist in the title fields, the publication information fields, and the physical description fields, among others. So, a lot of these formatting conventions come out of cataloging tradition. Where there are no traditions to guide them, there are no strange looking formatting conventions. If you're interested, I would find a copy of AACR2, or at least a concise version of it. The book that helped me tremendously is "The Concise AACR2" by Michael Gorman (yeah, yeah, I know...). It's currently in its 4th edition. > In trying to clean up the records, simply removing the comma > or period at the end of a subfield is insufficient, because > there are cases such as "$c Dr." or "$a Eliot, T. S." where > the period should be part of the subfield. > > The contents of subfield $d also varies greatly, e.g. the > English "fl." (flourished) is mixed with the Swedish "levde", > or the English "B.C." with the Swedish "f.Kr.", or more > complicated statements such as "was born no later than 1751". > Circa can be abbreviated "c." (as in English) or "ca" or > "c:a" (as in Swedish). > Or the simple question mark after 1853 in the example above. > In LoC's guidelines, I find no rules for the text inside the > $d subfield. :-) Yes. Again, that's AACR2's job to define the text inside a subfield, not MARC's (with some exceptions). The examples given in LOC's guidelines are formatted according to AACR2, I believe, just because that's what everyone uses. Attempting to automatically process the content of human-created MARC records is going to give you the headache to end all headaches, because cataloging rules, even within a single standard, are not consistent--at least, not by a computer's definition of "consistent." > Apparently, all these formatting inconsistencies exist > because it really doesn't matter. You can search for > "Lathrop 1917" or "King Husayn ibn Ali" and you find what > you're looking for. Nobody would search for people having > the title 1917. Right. I'm not entirely sure how most library systems index MARC records, but I imagine that they would have to ignore formatting--otherwise searching would be impossible. The next logical question, then, is: why is it so important to catalogers that every comma, period, capatalized letter, etc. is in the right place? Well, beyond for the sake of following the "standard" (whether that's AACR2 or some local practice), I really don't know. I think this is part of the reason that catalogers look so suspiciously on "metadata," and why those of us who come from a more IT-ish background can get so frustrated when dealing with metadata in a library setting. Metadata really does not need to be (and really *should not* be) as complicated as some catalogers--at least, in my experience--would like to make it. Of course, I don't think this is their fault. I think it's just an effect of dealing with a metadata standard as complex and arcane as MARC for an extended period of time. > Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries > handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and > how do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long > since given up that fight? I'm not a part of this at our own library, so I can't give a very detailed answer. But I know that our catalogers attempt to make all the records they create--whether it's original cataloging or modifying records downloaded from OCLC or a vendor--conform to local practices and "correct" cataloging rules, whenever possible. If there's a major problem with a record that's already in our catalog, the problem is brought to the attention of our database management team and they try to fix whatever is causing the problem in the record. Doubtless there are many, many records with problems that are still waiting to be found. How do library *systems* deal with this level of inconsistency? I imagine it varies from system to system. Does that help? Jason Thomale Metadata Librarian Texas Tech University Libraries From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Mon Nov 28 11:24:56 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Mon Nov 28 11:25:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <8A4A1AC405A318409439CE7542F85E6581E79F@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu> Message-ID: I'm going to question one of J. Thomale's comments, although with less than 100% confidence that I'm right (and noting that most of the comments are on the money): > Now, I wasn't even a twinkle in my father's eye when MARC and AACR came > about, but, from what I understand, these cataloging rules come out of > the card catalog era, when you had to be very concise in order to fit > the pertinent metadata on a card. This conciseness translated well to > MARC when it was young due to strict limitations on numbers of > characters for subfields, fields, and records. That's why you have all > the abbreviations, punctuation conventions, etc. I was working in the library field when MARC came out, started working with MARC in 1973 (five years later) and eventually wound up writing the first book to attempt to clarify MARC for librarians and vendors (MARC for Library Use, first published in 1984--admittedly 16 years after MARC II first appeared in 1968). Issues of conciseness apply to catalog cards, to some extent--but MARC has never had significant limitations on "numbers of characters for subfields, fields, and records." The sheer variability of MARC has always been one of its great strengths. There's a 9,999-character limit on a given field (and, thus, subfield--there's no special limit on subfield length)--although, admittedly, many systems prior to Web times probably had roughly 1,500-character limits on displayable fields (because with screen-at-a-time character-based displays, there's no good way to handle a longer field). There's technically no limit on the length of a MARC record, although it's necessary to use special conventions if the record grows beyond 99,999 characters--but that's the length of a novella, or, say, 50 to 60 screens worth of text! ("When it was young" can have many meanings; the system I refer to, now known as the RLG Union Catalog, went to a 30K length limit in 1980. I know; I wrote the batch processing system that enforced those limits and actually created USMARC records from the internal RLINMARC structure. That 30K limit was based on mainframe programming realities. The system no longer has such limits.) Yes, real-world systems had and still have tighter limits in some cases. The system I've worked with had a 30K record length limit (and a 12K directory length limit, for a maximum of 1,000 fields within a record) for a long time, and that was one of the largest limits around (I don't know what WorldCat's limit is now, or if there is one, but it was around 8K or 16K characters for many years, I believe). None of these limits really matter except for mixed collections (formerly archival and manuscript control), where you may have hundreds or thousands of detailed entries--unless, of course, you're trying to embed the whole text into the MARC record, which is a misuse of the format. The abbreviations and punctuation conventions come from AACR and ISBD. MARC (both the underlying data format standard, Z39.2, and MARC21, probably the most elaborate set of tag/subfield/indicator specifications) provides a way to identify all the metadata--a rich combination of syntax and semantic. Otherwise, a good set of comments. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/28/2005 07:57:35 AM: > Hi Lars, > > > I'm looking at a set of MARC records from a library near me. > > Their cataloging guidelines are a very close translation of > > the Library of Congress' MARC21 guidelines, but there seems > > to be a lot of built-in tradition too, that isn't covered in > > documents. > > Although it isn't necessarily obvious from looking at a set of MARC > guidelines (whether it's MARC 21 Concise from LOC or OCLC MARC or > whatever), MARC is only supposed to dictate the structure of the > record's content, not the formatting of that content. Whether or not the > 100 field is written thusly: > > 100 1 $a James Lathrop Meriam $d 1917 to 2000 ["incorrect" according to > most library's cataloging standards] > > is outside the scope of any MARC specification. In order to get the > content formatting, you have to use a set of cataloging rules. > English-speaking countries use the Anglo-American Cataloging Rules, > version 2 (AACR2), which is a very complex set of rules that tells you > exactly how to format text in a cataloging record (no matter whether or > not that record is encoded using MARC). > > Now, I wasn't even a twinkle in my father's eye when MARC and AACR came > about, but, from what I understand, these cataloging rules come out of > the card catalog era, when you had to be very concise in order to fit > the pertinent metadata on a card. This conciseness translated well to > MARC when it was young due to strict limitations on numbers of > characters for subfields, fields, and records. That's why you have all > the abbreviations, punctuation conventions, etc. > > You're absolutely right, however, that there is a lot of tradition built > into most libraries' cataloging practices. Although we all use > MARC/AACR2, we all have our own local practices that--for better or > worse--sometimes contradict these standards. And, because of these > standards' age and the richness of their histories, there can be a lot > of variety in local practice between, and even within, libraries. In a > lot of cases there was at one time a good reason for a particular quirk, > but the reasons have been forgotten or simply no longer apply--and yet > the quirk persists. For some reason, I find the topic of local > cataloging practices, how they developed, and why they exist to be > terribly fascinating, so I apologize if I'm rambling. > > > My experience (and I should point out that I'm a programmer, not a > > librarian) tells me that people will follow formatting rules > > if it matters, but not otherwise. All C, Java, and Perl > > programs have statements that end in a semicolon, or else > > they refuse to run. > > But not all programs are well structured, or easy to explain. > > And this seems to apply to MARC records as well. > > Hmm. I also have a programming background that predates my librarian > background, and that's a very interesting insight--although MARC/AACR2 > provides a lot more structure than do the formatting rules of any > particular programming language. > > > The search interface to this library's catalog seems to > > handle every subfield just the same. Sometimes in the > > personal names fields (100, 600, 700), I see subfields $c > > (title) and $d (years of birth and death) interchanged: > > > > 100 1 $a Meriam, James Lathrop, $c 1917-2000. > > 100 0 $a Husayn ibn Ali, $d King of Hejaz, $c 1853?-1931. > > 700 1 $a Barth $d Professor $4 aut > > Something like this has got to be a mistake. The structure of the > personal name fields is so standardized that switching subfields around > like this could not be an actual practice. It's just too big of an > inconsistency. And this is a MARC inconsistency, not an AACR2 > inconsistency. > > > In the two first examples, if the subfield markers are > > removed, the remainder is a human-readable line of text with > > commas and a period at the end. This is the more common > > case, but the third example doesn't have these commas. Is > > there a rule for this? > > Yes. :-) In a card catalog record, "Meriam, James Lathrop, 1917-2000." > would be written exactly so. This entire string would represent the > author. In MARC, although the dates are separated out into a separate > subfield, the formatting conventions persist. The last example, AFAIK, > isn't meant to be read as a single string, so each separate subfield is > just a separate piece of data, hence the lack of puncuation. > > Although I am not an expert on MARC/AACR2, similarities to those first > two examples that you gave exist in the title fields, the publication > information fields, and the physical description fields, among others. > > So, a lot of these formatting conventions come out of cataloging > tradition. Where there are no traditions to guide them, there are no > strange looking formatting conventions. > > If you're interested, I would find a copy of AACR2, or at least a > concise version of it. The book that helped me tremendously is "The > Concise AACR2" by Michael Gorman (yeah, yeah, I know...). It's currently > in its 4th edition. > > > In trying to clean up the records, simply removing the comma > > or period at the end of a subfield is insufficient, because > > there are cases such as "$c Dr." or "$a Eliot, T. S." where > > the period should be part of the subfield. > > > > The contents of subfield $d also varies greatly, e.g. the > > English "fl." (flourished) is mixed with the Swedish "levde", > > or the English "B.C." with the Swedish "f.Kr.", or more > > complicated statements such as "was born no later than 1751". > > Circa can be abbreviated "c." (as in English) or "ca" or > > "c:a" (as in Swedish). > > Or the simple question mark after 1853 in the example above. > > In LoC's guidelines, I find no rules for the text inside the > > $d subfield. > > :-) Yes. Again, that's AACR2's job to define the text inside a subfield, > not MARC's (with some exceptions). The examples given in LOC's > guidelines are formatted according to AACR2, I believe, just because > that's what everyone uses. > > Attempting to automatically process the content of human-created MARC > records is going to give you the headache to end all headaches, because > cataloging rules, even within a single standard, are not consistent--at > least, not by a computer's definition of "consistent." > > > Apparently, all these formatting inconsistencies exist > > because it really doesn't matter. You can search for > > "Lathrop 1917" or "King Husayn ibn Ali" and you find what > > you're looking for. Nobody would search for people having > > the title 1917. > > Right. I'm not entirely sure how most library systems index MARC > records, but I imagine that they would have to ignore > formatting--otherwise searching would be impossible. > > The next logical question, then, is: why is it so important to > catalogers that every comma, period, capatalized letter, etc. is in the > right place? Well, beyond for the sake of following the "standard" > (whether that's AACR2 or some local practice), I really don't know. > > I think this is part of the reason that catalogers look so suspiciously > on "metadata," and why those of us who come from a more IT-ish > background can get so frustrated when dealing with metadata in a library > setting. Metadata really does not need to be (and really *should not* > be) as complicated as some catalogers--at least, in my experience--would > like to make it. Of course, I don't think this is their fault. I think > it's just an effect of dealing with a metadata standard as complex and > arcane as MARC for an extended period of time. > > > Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries > > handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and > > how do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long > > since given up that fight? > > I'm not a part of this at our own library, so I can't give a very > detailed answer. But I know that our catalogers attempt to make all the > records they create--whether it's original cataloging or modifying > records downloaded from OCLC or a vendor--conform to local practices and > "correct" cataloging rules, whenever possible. If there's a major > problem with a record that's already in our catalog, the problem is > brought to the attention of our database management team and they try to > fix whatever is causing the problem in the record. Doubtless there are > many, many records with problems that are still waiting to be found. > > How do library *systems* deal with this level of inconsistency? I > imagine it varies from system to system. > > Does that help? > > Jason Thomale > Metadata Librarian > Texas Tech University Libraries > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From j.thomale at ttu.edu Mon Nov 28 11:50:18 2005 From: j.thomale at ttu.edu (Thomale, J) Date: Mon Nov 28 11:50:22 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: <8A4A1AC405A318409439CE7542F85E6581E808@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu> Walt, thanks for the clarification. I didn't really mean to suggest that the MARC standard itself imposed any field length limitations (even though that *is* basically what I said), but rather, as you pointed out, that most systems around the time that MARC was first used imposed such limitations, which, from your comments, sound like they really weren't that limiting. Oh well. That's just how it was explained to me. :-) BTW, reading back over Lars' original posting, I apologize for the anglo-centric bent of my response. I spoke in terms of AACR2 because that's all I know. I have no idea what cataloging rules are used in Sweden. Jason Thomale > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt.Crawford@rlg.org [mailto:Walt.Crawford@rlg.org] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:25 AM > To: Thomale, J > Cc: Lars Aronsson; web4lib@webjunction.org; > web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] MARC strictness > > I'm going to question one of J. Thomale's comments, although > with less than 100% confidence that I'm right (and noting > that most of the comments are on the money): > > > Now, I wasn't even a twinkle in my father's eye when MARC and AACR > > came about, but, from what I understand, these cataloging > rules come > > out of the card catalog era, when you had to be very > concise in order > > to fit the pertinent metadata on a card. This conciseness > translated > > well to MARC when it was young due to strict limitations on > numbers of > > characters for subfields, fields, and records. That's why > you have all > > the abbreviations, punctuation conventions, etc. > > I was working in the library field when MARC came out, > started working with MARC in 1973 (five years later) and > eventually wound up writing the first book to attempt to > clarify MARC for librarians and vendors (MARC for Library > Use, first published in 1984--admittedly 16 years after MARC > II first appeared in 1968). > > Issues of conciseness apply to catalog cards, to some > extent--but MARC has never had significant limitations on > "numbers of characters for subfields, fields, and records." > The sheer variability of MARC has always been one of its > great strengths. > > There's a 9,999-character limit on a given field (and, thus, > subfield--there's no special limit on subfield > length)--although, admittedly, many systems prior to Web > times probably had roughly 1,500-character limits on > displayable fields (because with screen-at-a-time > character-based displays, there's no good way to handle a > longer field). > There's technically no limit on the length of a MARC record, > although it's necessary to use special conventions if the > record grows beyond 99,999 characters--but that's the length > of a novella, or, say, 50 to 60 screens worth of text! > > ("When it was young" can have many meanings; the system I > refer to, now known as the RLG Union Catalog, went to a 30K > length limit in 1980. I know; I wrote the batch processing > system that enforced those limits and actually created USMARC > records from the internal RLINMARC structure. That 30K limit > was based on mainframe programming realities. The system no > longer has such > limits.) > > Yes, real-world systems had and still have tighter limits in > some cases. > The system I've worked with had a 30K record length limit > (and a 12K directory length limit, for a maximum of 1,000 > fields within a record) for a long time, and that was one of > the largest limits around (I don't know what WorldCat's limit > is now, or if there is one, but it was around 8K or 16K > characters for many years, I believe). None of these limits > really matter except for mixed collections (formerly archival > and manuscript control), where you may have hundreds or > thousands of detailed entries--unless, of course, you're > trying to embed the whole text into the MARC record, which is > a misuse of the format. > > The abbreviations and punctuation conventions come from AACR > and ISBD. MARC (both the underlying data format standard, > Z39.2, and MARC21, probably the most elaborate set of > tag/subfield/indicator specifications) provides a way to > identify all the metadata--a rich combination of syntax and semantic. > > Otherwise, a good set of comments. > > Walt Crawford > wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 > ------------------------------------- > Typically reachable: > Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. > Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. > Friday 7-11 a.m. > -------------------------------------- > From Stacey.Knight at tui.edu Mon Nov 28 12:02:27 2005 From: Stacey.Knight at tui.edu (Knight, Stacey) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:10:28 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Library relationship with computer services SUMMARY Message-ID: <75EA8B6971CDB24AB54AC56B025A6D4B025EB4@WREN2.tui-oh.net> Hi, Thanks again to all who replied to my questions about their library's relationship with computer services. As promised, below is a summary of the responses I received. Your comments have been extremely helpful, and I hope that others will find this information useful as well. Thanks!!! 1. What kind of control does the library have over their web pages? Maintenance? Developing new content (i.e. tutorials, etc.)? Lib1: The University has some web standards, which we must follow, but they are fairly minimal. Lib2: Full control over web content and layout, full responsibility for maintenance (backups, updates, &c), we develop (or adapt from elsewhere) our own content, tutorials, &c Lib 3: The library has complete control. We have an in-house systems department, and all of our servers are run in the library, separate from campus servers. In fact, we almost never deal with campus Systems department. The library Systems department is not associated with decision-making for the website. If we need them, they help. Lib 4: I do almost everything for the library's webpages. When the campus website goes through a major overhaul, the campus webmaster usually gives me a heads up. The library's webpages are designed to fit inside the overall campus-wide framework, so from time to time, that framework (including the navigational elements, color schemes, etc.) will change, but our content remains the same unless I change it. Several years ago, the campus webmaster tried to remove the link to the library from the main campus homepage. Faculty complained so loudly that the library just waited quietly until the campus webmaster got the message and reinstated the library's link on the campus homepage. I think the campus webmaster is thrilled that he does not have to maintain the library's webpages. Lib 5: The library has full control over it the content of its web pages. In fact, the responsibility is delegated down to individual librarians and/or teams, with the systems team providing the overall framework, helping them produce the pages and where necessary nudging them to update old ones. We also provide input to some web pages from other support services departments (eg the labs and charged printers that we host are mentioned on Computing Services and Media Services web pages). The library staff can also put tutorials, training info, etc on the "Learn" VLE run by Computing Services (just as any academic member of staff can). Lib 6: Complete control, although we do try to abide by a few university-wide standards in terms of use of logos, school colors, etc. Lib 7: We have control over the content within the campus template. We don't use a CMS, but we use CSS and SSI to maintain consistency across departments. Lib 8: We have complete control over web pages. We have our own server. Lib 9: The library has complete control over its own web site. We do have to follow campus web standards, but we do all our own content. The campus standards were approved last spring, so we're not in compliance yet, but we with the assistance of the computer center (because of staff time rather than any requirement on their part) we have developed a standards-compliant template and will be migrating shortly. We asked them to do the template and let us do the content migration so we can check each page for currency and accuracy before going live with the site. Lib 10: WE MAINTAIN FULL CONTROL OVER THE LIBRARY'S WEB PAGES. Lib 11: The Library has full control over its own web pages and its web server. Lib 12: full control over the content. However maintenance and edits are submitted through two groups (library staff, Public Information Office) before finally reaching an outside contracted webmaster for action. 2. How are the library web pages maintained? (in-house, CMS) Lib1: They are maintained in house by librarians and staff. We use Macromedia Contribute for editing content. We have about 32 people now doing this. To control the look and feel we use templates. Lib2: Manually, in house (by a small team that hasn't had much attention in the last few years) Lib 3: The entire website is maintained by a group of staff web developers (most have other duties). When we need server-side stuff, the Systems department helps. Lib 4: In-house. I have Dreamweaver, but prefer NoteTab Pro. Nothing database driven yet, but I'd like to add that sometime soon. I am the only one who adds or updates any of the library's webpages. Lib 5: In house. We've looked at several CMSes but not found something that we like so far. We do have use of a blog for internal staff communication (as well as email lists). Lib 6: In-house. Some pages are database-driven, but the scripts for those pages are also developed in-house. Lib 7: We maintain in house. I was also the library webmaster and am still coordinating the site. Our reference librarians maintain reference pages, the music librarian maintains her pages. We use text editors or Dreamweaver -- whichever the individual editor prefers. Lib 8: in-house, we have several page authors, one web committee Lib 9: In-house, though the campus is looking at a CMS and we'll probably use that whenever it gets implemented. Staff time considerations are the major factor in that. Lib 10: THREE LIBRARIANS AND TWO SUPPORT STAFF SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES. Lib 11: Library web pages maintained in-house with Template Toolkit and other tools. Lib 12: See answer above. 3. Does content have to be approved by computer services, a web committee, library webmaster, etc.? Lib1: No, unless it is a new service, or a big changes, etc. Lib2: No formal approval process, again a small team that fixes stuff ad hoc. Lib 3: A web committee makes all decisions. The webmaster's job is to see that those decisions are carried out (and he's part of the web committee). Lib 4: No. I add all content and make changes as I see fit. The other librarians have input and have occasionally written things for the web, but they usually write a rough draft in Word and I translate it to HTML and redesign for the Web. They frequently simply ask for particular things and I work up samples and revise after they see it. Lib 5: Nope. There are some guidelines on layout and usage of the University logo but that's about it. Lib 6: The library has an internal web committee, and a web-master who is a member of that committee. Major changes go through that committee, and are discussed and approved by the library administration. In theory, the university administration could overrule the library administration if they didn't like something, but that has never happened. Lib 7: Nope. A major site change would need to be approved by the presidentially -appointed Web Steering Committee, but for day-to-day content changes, we're on our own. Lib 8: We have University guidelines, but content is only generally run through the Library Web Committee Lib 9: Our campus web standard is chiefly for look and feel. They realize that we know our own content better than they do, so they pretty much leave it alone. If someone complains about our content for some reason then the campus webmaster and/or public relations will review the complaint and let us know if something needs to change. This has not happened in the 9 years I've been doing the site. I as library webmaster do review the content (everything has to go through me to get put on the server), but primarily for grammar and spelling rather than content. I work with the page author if I think the content needs some tweaking. This is rare. Lib 10: ALL MAJOR CHANGES ARE DISCUSSED BY THE PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIANS IN A MONTHLY MEETING BEFORE THE CHANGES ARE MADE. Lib 11: Library website content is approved by the head librarian (Dean of Learning Resources). Lib 12: Approval by the director of the library. 4. How much control does library staff have over the look and feel of the library web pages? Lib1: Not much, they control the content, but the web team controls the look and feel, with staff input and suggestions welcome. Lib2: If we wanted, we could go our own way with little repercussion, but the University will implement Banner/Luminis next year & we will lose most "look & feel" decisions Lib 3: We have a library-wide template. People can do just about whatever they want within that template. Lib 4: Within the overall framework provided by the campus webmaster, I have total control. Lib 5: The library "home" page framework was originally designed by our Media Services department but that has been updated by us as new services appear. Sub pages are done to a library supplied template. Lib 6: Complete control for the library staff who are involved in maintaining the web site, but that is a small group. (Mostly the web-master and Director of Automated systems, with some specialized pages created by Special Collections staff and our bibliographic instruction librarian). Lib 7: As I mentioned above, we have a campus-wide "look and feel" maintained with templates. We *could* (if we really wanted) develop a site that didn't use the campus template, but we'd have to give up our link on the campus homepage -- and we're not willing to do that. Lib 8: The Library Web Committee and the Director of Libraries designed the web pages. We try to keep individuals from varying too much from that standard by using templates and style sheets. Lib 9: Staff can contribute to library-department pages just as faculty does. Each department has its own web person and that might be faculty or staff, depending on who has the knowledge and/or interest. Honestly, most of them just send me e-mails with "can you change this" when the pages need updating. Lib 10: TOTAL Lib 11: Full control, subject to approval of Dean as mentioned above. Lib 12: No control over the look and feel. 5. Does any of the library staff have access to the web server? Lib1: Yes, see above. Although, keep in mind, their access is limited to the areas they are permitted to edit only. Lib2: Yes, all faculty have 'modify' permissions to the majority of pages on the site Lib 3: Many have access to the test server. Only a handful (the fewer, the better) have access to the live server. Lib 4: Yes. I just acquired permissions on the server within the last year or so and it has made all the difference in the world! Previously, I would keep copies of the webpages on my PC, edit them, and send them to the campus webmaster. He would do nothing with them except upload them to the server. A few years ago, he gave me edit rights on the "backup" server where he kept the working copy of the website, so I would edit the pages there and then just let him know which ones needed to be copied to the live server. One day it dawned on both of us that all that was a silly waste of both our time, so he gave me full control of the library's folder on the live server. I only have access to the library's webpages, but I can now make minor changes very quickly, can try things out to see what they look like, can post new pages so the other librarians can look at the rough drafts, etc. I'm not sure how I worked without access to the live server before! No matter how many times I would look over a page while it was on my computer, I would always notice minor (or major) problems as soon as it was posted to the live server. Lib 5: Yep - some staff have access to the sections that they need to update (i.e. we can update library pages but not (say) Computing Services or Physics pages). Lib 6: Yes, library Systems Department staff have administrative rights on all our servers. Lib 7: We all do. Only a handful of people are actually working on pages (maybe 5 out of 15). Lib 8: Over 10 library faculty and staff have access to publish pages. There are 3 administrators of the server in the library. Lib 9: Yes. My back-up web master for the library is a staff member (as opposed to being a librarian). She has complete access to our web site. Library department web masters usually only have rights to their own department's section (usually a directory) of the server. Lib 10: YES - COMPLETELY Lib 11: The Systems Librarian and Library Computer Support Specialist currently have access to web server. Lib 12: Not known. 6. Is library staff allowed to install software on their computers? Lib1: No, this is done by our Library IT department. Lib2: Most are, some users are restricted (due to past behavior & inappropriate programs installed) Lib 3: Yes, whatever they want. Systems discourages installing personal copies of software we have licenses to, though. For example, many of the staff have Photoshop through the library. If I want to install my personal copy of Photoshop, Systems would probably discourage it, because it makes keeping track of licenses more difficult for them. At the same time, if I installed it on my computer without telling them, they'd probably never know. Lib 4: Most of them have Administrator or Power User rights on their computers, but they are discouraged from installing things themselves. I or my technician do most of the installations, and we will delete things if they are inappropriate or are causing problems. The library computers also have different Administrator passwords than those used throughout the rest of the campus, and I do not share the library Administrator passwords with campus IT, though a few of them that I trust have learned them over the years. Lib 5: We do it for them in the library systems team. They used to be able to install what they wanted but this often resulted in us (ie the library systems team) having dealing with spyware infestations, deleting software that clashed with our supported software and/or screwed up the machine, explaining licensing, etc, etc. Since moving to a Computing Services supported WindowsXP staff desktop service we've locked down the desktop machines for most of the library staff and that's cut down on support problems and individual's downtime tremendously. If someone needs something for work then we'll take a look at it on a test machine, make sure it plays nicely and then install it on their machine. Lib 6: Yes. Lib 7: There's another issue. For the most part, no. But then, neither is anyone else on campus. Faculty are able to request "administrator" status which allows them to install most (but not all) software. ITS holds the reigns on that one pretty tightly. Lib 8: Yes. Each person is an administrator on their own machine. Lib 9: Yes and no. If it can be installed without being a Windows administrator (plug-ins and the like, mostly) they can install it. If it needs to be installed by an administrator I do the install for them, or ask campus IT to do it if I don't have the time. This does require the staff to prove that they have the right to install the software (license or purchase agreements and such). Lib 10: NO Lib 11: Library faculty are allowed if they request this privilege, library staff are not usually allowed to do this. Lib 12: Not for web page editing. 7. Does your institution support open source platform/software? Lib1: No,not really, pretty much all microsoft. However, Lib IT uses linux, apache, mysql and php extensively. Lib2: We are mostly a Microsoft shop, the sciences use various *nix versions and I run some open-source apps on Windows to support projects (MySQL, PHP, Perl, &c) Lib 3: No, but we're looking into it for several things. Lib 4: Not at this time. I am considering PHP and MySQL but don't have an extra server or time to work with it yet. Lib 5: The main campus web server is an Linux box running Apache. Linux and BSD are also used on a lot of other Computing Services servers In the Library we've got several Linux servers of our own and we've written our own open source software (the Loughborough Online Reading Lists System (LORLS) - see ). We use Perl and C/C++ for programming by preference, but we've got a couple of open source Java based things to look after as well. Lib 6: They allow it, but don't support it -- it's up to library staff to fix it if it breaks. Lib 7: We're working on it. We have an application server that's running opensource tools like Moodle and Coppermine. But our main servers are running Windows. Lib 8: No official support, except for Netscape, Apache. Lib 9: Not particularly, though some of us are beginning to push harder for it. Lib 10: NO Lib 11: Library web server runs on Apache and Linux. Lib 12: Not known. 8. If you have a proxy server (i.e. ezproxy), is it managed by the library or by IT/computer services? Lib1: Library IT department Lib2: Yes, Ezproxy, maintained by 3 librarians (I administer the software and everything, others handle only database configurations) Lib 3: Library Systems department Lib 4: We have EZProxy on one server and the library ILS (Sirsi Unicorn) on another. I manage both servers and they are located in a room off my office. Campus IT is totally confused by the library ILS and EZProxy and prefers to keep this arrangement. Lib 5: There's a campus Squid proxy setup that the Networks Team (of which I'm a member with another work hat on!) look after for the whole University. The Library can request direct connections for products that don't play nicely with proxies. Lib 6: By the library. Lib 7: We use EZProxy and it's managed by ITS. We tell them what we need and they do the actual tweaking. Lib 8: The Library manages EZProxy. Lib 9: We have a proxy server (still in the implementation phase) that is jointly managed by library and IT personnel. The IT people do the general server care and feeding (backups, updates, patches, software install, etc.) while library people do the configuration for the databases we want to access through it. Lib 10: NO - WE HAVE ASKED FOR ONE AND ARE STILL (AFTER 6 MONTHS) WAITING ON THE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT Lib 11: EZProxy server managed by Library IT staff. Lib 12: IT staff. 9. What technology issues does the library handle directly and what must be filtered through IT/computer services? Lib1: Our campus wide IT department only handles issues affecting say the email system, the network, etc... we do all the rest. Lib2: We handle everything except DNS/external from the library networking and printer hardware Lib 3: Library handles everything independently. Lib 4: I handle almost all technology issues in the library except for the network, which is handled by campus IT. They manage all hubs, routers, switches, network cabling, Internet access, etc. If I have problems with the library servers or anything else, I can ask them for assistance. Campus IT also handles the site licensing and installation for antivirus software for staff and public PCs, and MS Office for staff. The library handles MS Office licenses for public computers in the library. Lib 5: The library looks after its own IT (that's what the Systems Team is for) but tries to fit in with centrally managed services provided by Computing Services where possible (eg the staff desktop and student labs PC models). This means that we aren't reinventing the wheel ourselves. The networking across campus is managed by Computing Services up to the wall socket, although the library is in the handy position that I work for both it and the Networks Team. In practice the Library Systems Team is trusted to fiddle with its own networking, partly because the other chaps are pretty sound, partly because we've done it for years and partly because it's usually me that is doing it anyway! As well as library staff and library user desktop PCs, the Library system team also run the Aleph OPAC, SFX, metalib, the reading list system, an online (homebrewed but not yet released as open source) resource booking system, a digital document archive, the library staff blog server and a load of miscellaneous small MySQL databases with web front ends that have grown up over the years for specific site dependent purposes (asset recording, recording training session attendance, etc, etc). The Library systems team also get to feed into central Computing Services development as we're on various IT forums, project groups, steering bodies, etc. Oh, and having a member of the team working part time in Computing Services as well. Lib 6: Basically the library systems department deals with applications (web site, ILS software, utilities like EZproxy), and campus I.T. deals with infrastructure (network connectivity, firewall configuration, hardware, monitoring that server operating systems are up to date with security patches) and occasionally with interfaces to other campus systems (e.g., setting up the table that lets us load student record data to our Circulation system). Lib 7: Apart from web stuff and the online catalog/ILS, pretty much everything else is handled by ITS: public computer maintenance and upgrade, printer maintenance, server maintenance... Lib 8: We have a Technology support group that troubleshoots computers, networks, software problems, etc. Usually hardware and network problems are referred through them to IT. Lib 9: I handle all technology issues that I can handle (basic hardware, some software, all library-specific software) and if it's something I can't fix then I hand it over to campus IT. This system just kind of grew up organically because I have the knowledge-base to do this and I'm not sure how/if it will continue when I leave the library. Lib 10: HARDWARE GOES THROUGH IT - INSTALLATION OF SOFTWARE GOES THROUGH IT Lib 11: Library staff manage library student and staff PCs, library fileserver, library automation server, library web server, remote authentication (EZProxy) server. Campus IT staff manage wireless network, DNS and Domain controllers and network infrastructure (switches,etc.) Lib 12: Every technology issue is handled by IT. 10. How responsive is IT/computer services to library requests? Lib1: Pretty good overall. Lib2: Due to my excellent relationship with the network manager the network stuff is handled very quickly (usually within 5 minutes), printer repairs (the University techies are significantly better at printer hardware than I am) get queued into their workflow & are not very timely (but we get better service than most other units on campus, again due to my good relationships "over there") Lib 3: Library Systems department is very responsive. On the few occasions I've worked with campus computer services, they've been responsive and easy to work with. Lib 4: It varies. Sometimes they are very responsive, sometimes not so. I bend over backwards to be polite to them and keep them on our good side. I am one of the only people on campus who does not have to observe their web-based Work Order Request system, and I can phone, page, or email any of the campus IT people directly. Getting a response, however, varies from immediate to nothing. Our biggest problem is network support from 5:00pm to 7:00am Mon-Fri and all day/night on Sat and Sun. If the network goes down or has issues during those times, we usually spend quite a bit of time getting someone from campus IT to respond and get it fixed. Campus IT does not see it as a frequent enough problem to do anything about it, even though the library is open till midnight Sun-Thurs and students use the journal databases and catalog 24/7. Lib 5: That's tricky for me to answer, seeing as I work 1 day/week for the Library's systems team and 2 days/week for Computing Services networks team. I'd say it probably varies, depending on how complex the request is, how urgent it is and what workloads we're under. Some requests from library staff and/or users come into the Library systems team but we have to bat them over to Computing Services to handle because it is a service that they provide that our users are accessing (eg the charged printing or tweaking the student lab model). Most of the simple, straight forward questions are answered there and then when folk come into the systems team office. Lib 6: Very responsive as long as we confine requests to infrastructure-- for example, if we need a port opened in the firewall to accommodate a particular library application, they respond quickly. We don't ask them to do any development work (for example writing scripts for database-driven web pages), or to get involved in library-specific applications like EZproxy. This has worked well here, because we're large enough for the library to have its own Systems department; I realize it wouldn't necessarily work for smaller institutions. Lib 7: Very responsive, usually. We have a good working relationship with ITS (they're currently tenants in our building) and we get along personally, which really helps. Lib 8: Fairly responsive. We sometimes have to wait in line when it is critical. Our servers are in their building and they troubleshoot some of them. Getting through the student helpline to a staff person can be challenging. Lib 9: Very responsive. We have very good personal relationships with the IT people and they know which of us are likely to, um, freak out over little things, shall we say, and which are only going to go to them when it's really serious. When I go to them for assistance they know that it's serious. Because most things now get filtered through me they're usually very willing to help out Lib 10: FAIR Lib 11: Library IT staff have a close collaborative relationship with campus IT staff. Campus IT is pretty responsive to library requests, but sometimes less so depending on their own workload. Lib 12: Very responsive. Other comments: Lib 9: You didn't ask about this specifically, but I think this is one of the big things that makes our library/IT relationship work so smoothly. Personnel from the library are automatically included in the campus IT strategic planning process. A group of us gathers at least once each year to discuss campus-wide goals and set priorities. This is led by the director of campus IT, but includes the library, campus instructional technology (the folks who do the classroom a/v equipment), and often people from our conference centers and continuing education. Basically our campus IT director is very aware that what the library does so far as database purchases and access will affect what needs to happen in the classrooms and labs on campus, so he makes sure we're a part of the planning effort. Another thing that we've done that may be a bit unique is that I am the official library liaison to campus IT. I treat them just as I treat my teaching faculty liaison areas in that I am available to them for one-on-one sessions in using library materials (many of our campus IT staff are working on degrees), taking book purchase requests for them, and generally being available to explain how the library works. I've even done BI-type sessions for the computer lab assistants so they can better help students and have an idea of when they should send them over to us when they're working on research. I think having one person who campus IT knows they can contact for any library question has helped quite a bit. Lib 13: Our library consortium head office used to be housed at an institution with a fairly locked-down web policies. Not quite as bureaucratic as what you're describing, but close. We were in a position where it was obvious we needed to significantly enhance our web site, moving from a collection of static pages to a database- driven model, with much more access by office staff. After a number of meetings with the IT dept., it became obvious that they were not willing to support what we wanted to do. Even after much discussion the source of their reluctance never became entirely clear, but my sense was the major concern was workload issues. Eventually we said fine, we'd really like to work with you on this, but we understand if you don't have the staff resources to support it. Therefore we'll do what we always do when we don't have resources locally to support necessary projects: contract out. (Webspace on commercial servers is dirt cheap. $300 per year can buy you a pretty decent setup. $1000 per year would be high-end for most library-scale web development projects. ) I got the sense that our IT department was unhappy with our decision, but what could they do? We made the argument that we contract out for research database hosting all the time; contracting out for web site hosting was pretty much the same thing. And we made it clear that we would be happy to bring our site back in house when they were prepared to support what we needed to do -- which is to say the decision was pragmatic, not personal. Not sure how applicable this would be to your situation, but it worked quite well for us. Eventually we moved to a new home institution with more liberal hosting policies, so this is no longer an issue for us. Stacey L. Knight Research Services and Electronic Resources Librarian Gary Library Vermont College of the Union Institute and University 36 College St. Montpelier, VT? 05602 (802) 828-8618 Toll free: (800) 336-6794 stacey.knight@tui.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Nov 28 12:05:43 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:12:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c5f43d$f8af2f20$6401a8c0@venus> > Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries > handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and how > do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long since given > up that fight? It's interesting that Lars' question hasn't been answered so far. It's an interesting question, one that is important in a big way. I read it as a much larger question about the value of MARC, which is also a question, at least in part, about the value of highly structured human-generated metadata, and about the value and purpose of this metadata in a search-oriented world. It intrigues me that the answers so far have provided solutions to the technical question but have not addressed the question of whether inconsistency in metadata is worth addressing (and "worth" is a very loaded word in this context, since metadata is expensive). Then again, I could be reading far too much into Lars' question... Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Nov 28 12:10:03 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:19:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? Message-ID: Thought this thread was interesting. It's interesting to me when someone suggests that someone on this list may be Google-bashing. A couple of months ago I posted a note to Web4Lib about Google (I forget which note now). I received an offlist reply accusing me of Google-bashing. And I received another offlist reply saying that I shouldn't uncritically accept that everything that Google does is "good". Both in response to the same posting. :-) Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Walt.Crawford@rlg.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:35 PM To: Elizabeth Harman Cc: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] What's in a name (Google Book Search, that is)? Here's a better one: It's the day before Thanksgiving, and the tryptophan is kicking in early... We all need a vacation, maybe some of it unplugged! (He sez as he gets ready to leave for the day.) And we all need to be excused now and then, particularly right around the holidays. And just as a parting shot, here's an interesting but not surprising tidbit from that Pew report that may help show why Google's made Gmail as attractive as possible: "On an average day, internet users on the comScore panel spent more than 24 minutes on email, compared to 3.5 minutes for search engines." [I'm DEFINITELY not bashing Gmail, as witness my only other public email address, waltcrawford@gmail.com] Walt Crawford web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/23/2005 01:15:50 PM: > Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > > > I haven't seen any Google bashing on Web4Lib either. ... > > After reading your response I have to admit that I'm wrong and I > apologize. Can I use the "patrons seem to think that since its the day > before a holiday they can violate policies and think I should turn the > other cheek defense"? > > Liz > > -- > Liz Harman > Internet Specialist > Monticello Avenue > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Nov 28 12:21:14 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:28:30 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? Message-ID: I thought it was interesting that there was no mention of libraries in this piece. Seems like we do a lot of fretting about how people think of Google before they think of the library when it comes to information seeking, etc., and how this might impact the future of libraries and library services. But libraries aren't listed as being threatened or showing signs of panic. Maybe we're not as threatened as some people might think, or maybe libraries don't carry as a high a profile as publishers, software vendors, etc. Or maybe libraries are viewed as Google "buddies" because quite a few libraries partner with Google? Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of S.J.Newman@brighton.ac.uk Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:17 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? Everyone. According to Wired at http://wired.com/wired/archive/13.12/google.html Steve Steve Newman Networked Information Services Manager University of Brighton, UK +44 (0)1273 642637 InterAction: newsletter of Information Services see http://interact.brighton.ac.uk/is/interaction _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mike at miketaylor.org.uk Mon Nov 28 13:35:34 2005 From: mike at miketaylor.org.uk (Mike Taylor) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <000401c5f43d$f8af2f20$6401a8c0@venus> (kgs@bluehighways.com) References: <000401c5f43d$f8af2f20$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <200511281835.jASIZYWf004164@localhost.localnet> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:05:43 -0800 > From: "K.G. Schneider" > > It intrigues me that the answers so far have provided solutions to > the technical question but have not addressed the question of > whether inconsistency in metadata is worth addressing (and "worth" > is a very loaded word in this context, since metadata is expensive). Yes, I am also intrigued by this ... and sort of scared of what the answer will probably turn out to be. While I am a structured information professional, whenever I want to find, say, C. S. Lewis's _The Abolition of Man_, I just use the single search-box on the home page and type in "lewis abolition man" -- and sure enough, all ten of the hits are correct. I don't recall the last time I used the "advanced search" facility that lets me separate the author and title parts of the search -- it just isn't necessary. This tells me that all MARC records could be replaced a single line of undifferentiated keywords and identifiers, like this: "c s lewis the abolition of man moral law subjectivism 0060652942". No! Don't shoot me! I'm only joking! I think! What it really _does_ show -- I think -- is that _for the purposes of Amazon-like searching_, this ultra-weak metadata suffices. The question is what proportion of all catalogue searching is in this sense "Amazon-like", and my feeling is that the answer is very close to 100% of it. Not quite 100%, though: sometimes you really do need to differentiate between searching for books _written by_ Winston Churchill and books _about_ Winston Churchill. Let me reiterate: I don't want this to be an accurate analysis (not least because my career largely depends on people wanting more precise searching); but my experience leads me to think it might be. Finally let me also say that of course metadata has other uses as well as searching. Roughly, the other half of the equation is retrieval, or display. But again, I find myself thinking that the world probably need rather less in the way of structure here than we information professionals tend to want to give them. OK. _Now_ you can shoot me. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ It's hard not to suspect that SOAP was thought up late one Friday night after a few too many beers. From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 12:50:03 2005 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:52:35 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051128175003.68206.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Hello! You're asking about more than format, you're also asking about tradition, customs, and the notion of effciency in getting to information. Part of what you are asking about has to do with the different speeds or cycles and different levels of cataloguing quality tolerance that exist from one type of library to another and one size of library to another. Sometimes a very large university library will have to bear with inconsistencies for a year or more because its budget for re-cataloguing is spread out over a year or a 5 year plan. The inconsistencies can come from legacy collections, change of staff, re-organisations... Another part of what you ask deals with the centuries old dialectic between cataloguing librarians, who are concerned with cataloguing a book correctly, and referense librarians, who are concerned with answering (and anticipating, and planning for)questions the users will have. The MARC records and the systems that stem from them can be seen as an artefact of the evolution of that dialectic. In a sense it is a compromise between eventually really getting through to the information with a search and/or a browse and doing a perfectly logical but not necessarily useful description of a document, all within the context of changing institutions who cut budgets, send people off to early retirement, merge five libraries in one, etc. etc. The fight is endless --- Lars Aronsson a ?crit?: > > I'm looking at a set of MARC records from a library near me. > Their cataloging guidelines are a very close translation of the > Library of Congress' MARC21 guidelines, but there seems to be a > lot of built-in tradition too, that isn't covered in documents. > > My experience (and I should point out that I'm a programmer, not a > librarian) tells me that people will follow formatting rules if it > matters, but not otherwise. > Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries > handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and how > do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long since given > up that fight? > > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) > Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > __________________________________________________________ L?che-vitrine ou l?che-?cran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From robin.hastings at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 13:07:55 2005 From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings) Date: Mon Nov 28 13:10:24 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS for library websites Message-ID: I'm currently evaluating both Mambo (www.mamboserver.com) and Drupal ( www.drupal.org) as content management systems for the next iteration of my library's website. Do you all know of any library sites that are currently running on either of these platforms? So far, I'm leaning toward Drupal, but I'd like to see if other libraries have gone through this process and what they chose. Thanks!!! -- Robin Hastings robin.hastings@gmail.com http://www.rhastings.net Missouri River Regional Library (www.mrrl.org) From bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu Mon Nov 28 13:08:16 2005 From: bpulliam at postoffice.providence.edu (Beatrice Pulliam) Date: Mon Nov 28 13:10:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200511281808.jASI8HT10278@postoffice.providence.edu> I'd be more inclined to think that we're just not at the table (again) or at the kiddie table permanently. I'm personally still in the "only thing we have to fear is..." camp. Because I think I have a handle on the limitations of Google, I'm less likely now to light a torch/sound a battle cry. We DO have it within our power to make ourselves more relevant, make our tools "model user behavior", make them useful in the appropriate context, etc. I just had an IM exchange with a user looking for an article from a scientific journal. Student's prof said it could be found "online at the library or in Google". I initially only had a title (not full or exact) to go on, so for kicks I popped it into GS. Nothing even after I took out the usual stop words. Following a hunch, I found it PubMed, with the same incomplete title. The student needed more articles and asked if "PubMed had a search engine she could use" which enabled me to impart some useful info about PubMed and the benefit of using a database vs. Google (in this instance). This all happened in about 5-7 minutes. The challenge now for me is how can I make this a bit simpler for the next user? Beatrice Beatrice R. Pulliam Reference Librarian and Assistant Professor Phillips Memorial Library Providence College 549 River Avenue Providence, RI 02918 401.865.2891 http://www.providence.edu/Academics/Phillips+Memorial+Library/ IM: pclibchat (AIM/iChat/Yahoo) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:21 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? I thought it was interesting that there was no mention of libraries in this piece. Seems like we do a lot of fretting about how people think of Google before they think of the library when it comes to information seeking, etc., and how this might impact the future of libraries and library services. But libraries aren't listed as being threatened or showing signs of panic. Maybe we're not as threatened as some people might think, or maybe libraries don't carry as a high a profile as publishers, software vendors, etc. Or maybe libraries are viewed as Google "buddies" because quite a few libraries partner with Google? Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of S.J.Newman@brighton.ac.uk Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:17 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Who's afraid of Google? Everyone. According to Wired at http://wired.com/wired/archive/13.12/google.html Steve Steve Newman Networked Information Services Manager University of Brighton, UK +44 (0)1273 642637 InterAction: newsletter of Information Services see http://interact.brighton.ac.uk/is/interaction _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Rpompey at aol.com Mon Nov 28 13:13:46 2005 From: Rpompey at aol.com (Rpompey@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 28 13:17:32 2005 Subject: Fwd: FW: [Web4lib] USB Key Usage Message-ID: <1ed.47febb66.30bca2da@aol.com> Hi my name is Roland Pompey I work for Miss Adams. The problem is not fortres because we having the same problems with staff computers that don't have Fortres installed at all. When you stick the key is it either shuts down the computer or just don't connect or is very slow to pop up. I am beginning to think might be something with the dell optiplex 270/280 systems but don't know yet. We have installed Windows Xp mutiple time. Some computers work and some don't. I did see something on the internet about disabling the auto restart on failure, but still a problem of getting the key to pop up. We are still researching. From steve at obergs.net Mon Nov 28 13:39:24 2005 From: steve at obergs.net (Steve Oberg) Date: Mon Nov 28 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS for library websites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4dcebbbd0511281039x62b44440t26d4a7cb31e545e1@mail.gmail.com> My favorite is Drupal. I know of the following libraries who are using it: Karlstadt University Library http://www.bib.kau.se/ Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ (one of the best implementations I have ever seen) Louisville (OH) Public Library http://louisvillelibrary.org/ I had hoped to implement Drupal in my previous job (at a small liberal arts college) this past summer but unexpectedly decided to take a job offer elsewhere and that put the kabosh on that development. If there are other library sites that use Drupal, I hope someone else will post them in response. I know that many universities have implemented it, as have corporations and all kinds of other entities. I think that flock.com (the purveyors of the new, Firefox-based social/community web browser, Flock) is powered by Drupal as well. Steve On 11/28/05, Robin Hastings wrote: > I'm currently evaluating both Mambo (www.mamboserver.com) and Drupal ( > www.drupal.org) as content management systems for the next iteration of my > library's website. Do you all know of any library sites that are currently > running on either of these platforms? So far, I'm leaning toward Drupal, but > I'd like to see if other libraries have gone through this process and what > they chose. Thanks!!! > > -- > Robin Hastings > robin.hastings@gmail.com > http://www.rhastings.net > Missouri River Regional Library (www.mrrl.org) > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve Oberg Family Man Librarian www.familymanlibrarian.com From leo at leoklein.com Mon Nov 28 14:07:29 2005 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Mon Nov 28 14:07:37 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS for library websites In-Reply-To: <4dcebbbd0511281039x62b44440t26d4a7cb31e545e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dcebbbd0511281039x62b44440t26d4a7cb31e545e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438B5571.4000308@leoklein.com> Steve Oberg wrote: > My favorite is Drupal. I know of the following libraries who are using it: > > Karlstadt University Library > http://www.bib.kau.se/ > > Ann Arbor District Library > http://www.aadl.org/ > (one of the best implementations I have ever seen) > > Louisville (OH) Public Library > http://louisvillelibrary.org/ The Swedish site is an interesting implementation. (Venn ick nur Swedish sprichen konnte!) On a side note, CivicSpace (www.civicspacelabs.org) has an implementation of Drupal that might be a touch easier to implement. In general, the best way to get cozy with Drupal is to fall in love with all the modules. I know I did! Then I saw that most of the ones I liked the best were standard issue as part of the CivicSpace distribution. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From johnston at virginia.edu Mon Nov 28 16:03:50 2005 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:03:57 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Use of varying feed/alert protocols Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051128154146.03018a30@virginia.edu> All, We're starting our exploration of setting up a new content alert service for our Digital Library Repository. The question isn't whether to do so, but using which protocol(s)? The history of the development is interesting. Check out the "History' and "Incompatibilities" sections of the wikipedia page dealing with the different: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rss and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_%28standard%29 We'll be generating our feed content in a home-grown programmatic way from already existing metadata in XML form, using XSLT. We're not looking for tools, nor are we constrained by any. I came across this interesting page showing a rough distribution of RSS versus Atom: http://www.syndic8.com/stats.php?Section=feeds#FeedLang Trying to get a handle on what various aggregator tools support is challenging, because of the sheer number of tools: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_aggregators So, a little informal research seems in order. I'd like to hear from those of you who provide feeds/alerts -- do you provide RSS (which version[s]), Atom, or both? Thanks in advance, Leslie ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu From jdunck at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:13:11 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:13:14 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents Message-ID: <2545a92c0511281313q66c60d67q72161089853fc1a1@mail.gmail.com> This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent pages. http://www.techenclave.com/forums/read-any-book-google-techenclave-exclusive-6234.html Summary: Find a term within a book you'd like to read. Execute a search on that. Book Search will let you see the preceeding and subsequent 3 pages. >From the first/last page in that context view, take a, uh, statisticly improbably search phrase, and repeat your search. This will basically shift your window into the book to the earlier/later pages. === Since the text for a book is shown as an image, it's not entirely trivial to automate this. You'd have to OCR the resultant images to get the phrases to shift the window. Still... this won't last. Publishers will be screaming for blood, and Google will have to remove the previous/next window or otherwise prevent the (pretty obvious) method. From leo at leoklein.com Mon Nov 28 16:22:18 2005 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:22:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: <2545a92c0511281313q66c60d67q72161089853fc1a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2545a92c0511281313q66c60d67q72161089853fc1a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> Jeremy Dunck wrote: > This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole > contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent > pages. > > http://www.techenclave.com/forums/read-any-book-google-techenclave-exclusive-6234.html > > Summary: > Find a term within a book you'd like to read. > Execute a search on that. Book Search will let you see the preceeding > and subsequent 3 pages. >>From the first/last page in that context view, take a, uh, statisticly > improbably search phrase, and repeat your search. This will basically > shift your window into the book to the earlier/later pages. Schees, it'd be a whole lot easier to borrow the thing from a library and type it out. If I were going to bootleg publications on a massive scale, that's how I'd go about it. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Mon Nov 28 16:30:40 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:31:19 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> Message-ID: It's also worth noing that *this just won't work* for in-copyright books from the Google Library Project, since you get three snippets, not three pages. Quite apart from the likelihood that Google will figure out that people are gaming the system and use cookies to prevent it... "Book Search will let you see the preceeding and subsequent 3 pages" isn't even true on a general basis for Google Library Program books; the number of pages shown is up to the publisher, as I've found in trying a few. Sometimes you get one page; sometimes no pages at all. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/28/2005 01:22:18 PM: > Jeremy Dunck wrote: > > This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole > > contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent > > pages. > > > > http://www.techenclave.com/forums/read-any-book-google- > techenclave-exclusive-6234.html > > > > Summary: > > Find a term within a book you'd like to read. > > Execute a search on that. Book Search will let you see the preceeding > > and subsequent 3 pages. > >>From the first/last page in that context view, take a, uh, statisticly > > improbably search phrase, and repeat your search. This will basically > > shift your window into the book to the earlier/later pages. > > Schees, it'd be a whole lot easier to borrow the thing from a library > and type it out. If I were going to bootleg publications on a massive > scale, that's how I'd go about it. > > LEO > > -- ------------- > Leo Robert Klein > www.leoklein.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jdunck at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:31:27 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:31:56 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> References: <2545a92c0511281313q66c60d67q72161089853fc1a1@mail.gmail.com> <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511281331k73f7d640m3d5334f191a5145c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/05, Leo Robert Klein wrote: > Jeremy Dunck wrote: > > This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole > > contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent > > pages. Correction, you'll still run into pages it simply won't show you, even with this method. Regarding checking it out from the library, yes, of course, but that won't stop the hysteria. :) From ryaneby at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:38:47 2005 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:38:50 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> References: <2545a92c0511281313q66c60d67q72161089853fc1a1@mail.gmail.com> <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> Message-ID: Just to prevent confusion it should probably be noted that these books are the ones that are part of the publisher program and not likely the library one. The publishers give permission to show more that just snippets which will allow problems like this. Amazon also has this problem which I have used in the past with deadlines. This type of thing would be much more difficult for books that are displayed with the snippet view though I suppose you can find a string at the end of your snippet to search for to get another sentence. An overview of the various views are here: http://books.google.com/googlebooks/screenshots.html Ryan Eby On 11/28/05, Leo Robert Klein wrote: > Jeremy Dunck wrote: > > This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole > > contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent > > pages. > > > > http://www.techenclave.com/forums/read-any-book-google-techenclave-exclusive-6234.html > > > > Summary: > > Find a term within a book you'd like to read. > > Execute a search on that. Book Search will let you see the preceeding > > and subsequent 3 pages. > >>From the first/last page in that context view, take a, uh, statisticly > > improbably search phrase, and repeat your search. This will basically > > shift your window into the book to the earlier/later pages. > > Schees, it'd be a whole lot easier to borrow the thing from a library > and type it out. If I were going to bootleg publications on a massive > scale, that's how I'd go about it. > > LEO > > -- ------------- > Leo Robert Klein > www.leoklein.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From osp at haraldur.is Mon Nov 28 16:52:56 2005 From: osp at haraldur.is (=?iso-8859-1?B?1nNwIFZpZ2fzc2TzdHRpcg==?=) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:49:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually this doesn't work, you can't read the whole book. I just tried it, using the method people have been describing. Google only allows you to look at a limited number of pages from the same book, maybe 8-10 pages. When you exceed that number they block the pages! You have to be logged in when viewing pages, so they can monitor what you get to see. You would have to have 30-40 different logins to download a whole book. People would have to be very "dedicated" to bother, in my opinion. Cheers, ?sp Vigg?sd?ttir framkv?mdastj?ri Haraldar ?korna www.haraldur.is -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ?sp Vigg?sd?ttir framkv?mdastj?ri B?kasafns- og uppl?singafr??ingur // Information specialist osp@haraldur.is -- -- -- -- Su?urh?lum 16, 1-2 111 Reykjav?k s. 557 5613 -- GSM 862 5710 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---- -- -- -- -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Eby Sent: 28. n?vember 2005 21:39 To: Leo Robert Klein Cc: Web4Lib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents Just to prevent confusion it should probably be noted that these books are the ones that are part of the publisher program and not likely the library one. The publishers give permission to show more that just snippets which will allow problems like this. Amazon also has this problem which I have used in the past with deadlines. This type of thing would be much more difficult for books that are displayed with the snippet view though I suppose you can find a string at the end of your snippet to search for to get another sentence. An overview of the various views are here: http://books.google.com/googlebooks/screenshots.html Ryan Eby On 11/28/05, Leo Robert Klein wrote: > Jeremy Dunck wrote: > > This (juvenile) forum post shows a pretty simple way to get the whole > > contents of a book by progressively searching for terms on subsequent > > pages. > > > > http://www.techenclave.com/forums/read-any-book-google-techenclave-exclusive -6234.html > > > > Summary: > > Find a term within a book you'd like to read. > > Execute a search on that. Book Search will let you see the preceeding > > and subsequent 3 pages. > >>From the first/last page in that context view, take a, uh, statisticly > > improbably search phrase, and repeat your search. This will basically > > shift your window into the book to the earlier/later pages. > > Schees, it'd be a whole lot easier to borrow the thing from a library > and type it out. If I were going to bootleg publications on a massive > scale, that's how I'd go about it. > > LEO > > -- ------------- > Leo Robert Klein > www.leoklein.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jdf.lists at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:53:23 2005 From: jdf.lists at gmail.com (Joshua Daniel Franklin) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:53:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Unix vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <4381F4A2.1020509@onlib.org> References: <4381F4A2.1020509@onlib.org> Message-ID: <67437bc40511281353v6e15c88es4506c83a8f2f8a7@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/05, JML wrote: > What are the plusses, and minuses, of each platform? Thanks for your > assistance. This question was re-posted to LISnews here, I've copied the responses below (not written by me): http://lisnews.org/comments.pl?sid=13192&threshold=-1&mode=flat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # I thought this to be an interesting question that warranted some discussion here. Windows has the disadvantage of requiring so many service packs, and of course needing the reboot after. As for Unix, I found that vendors don't upkeep the Operating System for you, so unless there is someone on staff who is not afraid to get their hands dirty, you might wind up with a system that can be easily compromised. What do other LISNews users say? # I almost Agree (Score:2) by Blake (2) on Monday November 21, @06:49PM (#22530) ( http://eblake.com/ | | Last Journal: Friday November 25, @02:22PM ) I'd say you're almost right on your Windows/Unix comparison, though most Unix variation do come with (not free) support, and many versions of Linux are the same way. Support is out there for most things in the Open Source world, if you're willing to pay. Personally I'm a Linux guy, so I'd suggest going that way, but I tend to be biased. [ Reply to This ] # Re:I almost Agree (Score:1) by pv_sapl (2826) on Tuesday November 22, @12:05PM (#22540) ( | Last Journal: Wednesday October 26, @03:05PM ) You are quite correct, I think. Although in the original post I should have been more specific: quoting "library system cendors" instead of just plain "vendors". I've also had the displeasure once of "discussing" with a vendor about at what point a product was broken: Not the implimentation, or the vendor library software; but because of the perticular setup being quite unique, it revealed a bug at the tcp/ip level of the operating system: Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1. This "discussion" went on for two weeks until I got fed up and went with the correct solution offered to me from a completely different source, which did fix the problem. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=- I know to much and yet not enough [ Reply to This | Parent ] # Systems are only as good their admin (Score:-1) by Anonymous Patron on Tuesday November 22, @09:35AM (#22532) I can tell you that III does a shoddy job of admining their welded shut boxes. From jdunck at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:56:23 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Mon Nov 28 16:56:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: References: <438B750A.7040809@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <2545a92c0511281356j1f3a3fc0yd423c94e7b0a4219@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/05, Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > It's also worth noing that *this just won't work* for in-copyright books > from the Google Library Project, since you get three snippets, not three > pages. Quite apart from the likelihood that Google will figure out that > people are gaming the system and use cookies to prevent it... Hmm, I guess I got lucky on the 3 books I picked at random. From jdunck at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:58:38 2005 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Mon Nov 28 17:00:01 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2545a92c0511281358yf014e85l9454110dbd3b436d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/05, ?sp Vigg?sd?ttir wrote: > Actually this doesn't work, you can't read the whole book. I just tried it, > using the method people have been describing. > > Google only allows you to look at a limited number of pages from the same > book, maybe 8-10 pages. When you exceed that number they block the pages! > You have to be logged in when viewing pages, so they can monitor what you > get to see. I admit I only did 3 stretches of 3 pages each on 3 books. I don't really want to get booted. I like my goog services too much. If the intent of my email wasn't clear, I meant to point out that there's activity in content theft out there. That forum thread has 10,000 views and is in delicious' popular feed right now. Which is to say, there's now fuel for the content owner's flames. From SHoughton at co.marin.ca.us Mon Nov 28 17:06:17 2005 From: SHoughton at co.marin.ca.us (Houghton, Sarah) Date: Mon Nov 28 17:06:21 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Use of varying feed/alert protocols Message-ID: <43CCBAE21D63614C806E5B60947CBF38065F3600@EVS01.co.marin.ca.us> I provide both, on both my library's blog (http://www.marincountyfreelibrary.blogspot.com/) and my own blog (http://www.librarianinblack.net). I figure the more options you give people for ingesting your content, the better. Sarah Houghton e-Services Librarian, Marin County Free Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Johnston Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:04 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Use of varying feed/alert protocols All, We're starting our exploration of setting up a new content alert service for our Digital Library Repository. The question isn't whether to do so, but using which protocol(s)? The history of the development is interesting. Check out the "History' and "Incompatibilities" sections of the wikipedia page dealing with the different: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rss and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_%28standard%29 We'll be generating our feed content in a home-grown programmatic way from already existing metadata in XML form, using XSLT. We're not looking for tools, nor are we constrained by any. I came across this interesting page showing a rough distribution of RSS versus Atom: http://www.syndic8.com/stats.php?Section=feeds#FeedLang Trying to get a handle on what various aggregator tools support is challenging, because of the sheer number of tools: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_aggregators So, a little informal research seems in order. I'd like to hear from those of you who provide feeds/alerts -- do you provide RSS (which version[s]), Atom, or both? Thanks in advance, Leslie ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm From lewisw at hhpl.on.ca Mon Nov 28 20:49:16 2005 From: lewisw at hhpl.on.ca (Walter Lewis) Date: Tue Nov 29 00:05:08 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <200511281835.jASIZYWf004164@localhost.localnet> References: <000401c5f43d$f8af2f20$6401a8c0@venus> <200511281835.jASIZYWf004164@localhost.localnet> Message-ID: <438BB39B.5000909@hhpl.on.ca> Mike Taylor wrote: >Yes, I am also intrigued by this ... and sort of scared of what the >answer will probably turn out to be. [snip] > The blame for part of the problem posed by Lars, the inconsistent use of punctuation at the ends of the subfields ( commas and periods, or not in 1xx and 7xx fields), can be laid squarely at the feet of ISBD (International Standard Bibliographic Description) punctuation. [Climbs on hobby horse and begins vigorously rocking back and forth] ISBD punctuation is an antique and weakly conceived set of rules that attempted to use different bits of punctuation to separate "subfields" in a catalogue record ... *card* catalogue record. While not a man generally inclined to recommend book burning, I'm prepared to look sideways while the can of gasoline slips out of my hand and spills over the ISBD guidelines. MARC has subfields (an extraordinary technical achievement in its day, and not bad still). But in this century, we *all* display records on screens using templating systems. The side and back flips that we have to go through to display this in vendor and custom built systems because of some half-[a____|hearted] adherence to an outmoded, and fundamentally ineffectual set of rules from the era of the 3x5 card is entirely beyond my comprehension. I may not be prepared to march behind Roy chanting "MARC must die", but I can have my "Hang the Evil Henchman: ISBD must Die" placard ready in a "gif". [Climbs off hobby horse and waits for someone to throw a match] Walter Lewis Halton Hills From dorman at indexdata.com Mon Nov 28 21:06:49 2005 From: dorman at indexdata.com (David Dorman) Date: Tue Nov 29 00:07:12 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051128210056.05538060@ddorman.mail.wesleyan.edu> At 12:05 PM 11/28/2005, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > Is this kind of inconsistency a problem, and how do libraries > > handle it? Do you insist that such errors be corrected (and how > > do you motivate this requirement?), or have you long since given > > up that fight? > >It's interesting that Lars' question hasn't been answered so far. It's an >interesting question, one that is important in a big way. I read it as a >much larger question about the value of MARC, which is also a question, at >least in part, about the value of highly structured human-generated >metadata, and about the value and purpose of this metadata in a >search-oriented world. > >It intrigues me that the answers so far have provided solutions to the >technical question but have not addressed the question of whether >inconsistency in metadata is worth addressing (and "worth" is a very loaded >word in this context, since metadata is expensive). > >Then again, I could be reading far too much into Lars' question... Whether metadata structured to MARC/AACR2 specifications is necessary or not is an interesting question, and one that Mike Taylor addressed in his post. However, Lars's question does not deal with metadata consistency or structure--it deals with punctuation. There are two aspects to the punctuation inconsistency that Lars raises: 1. search and retrieval 2. record display With regard to search and retrieval, punctuation generally has no real world affect, since most search and retrieval software replace commas, periods, etc with a space with respect to searching and indexing. As regards record display, the problem should not be that big a deal. In practice, I would guess that periods are rarely added (or dropped, for that matter) from characters occurring at the end of subfields. I would also guess that most of the punctuation errors are omissions of punctuation required by AACR2/ISBD punctuation rules. I have not made a study of the matter, but I would further guess that at least some ILS and other systems that display bibliographic metadata have solved most such inconsistencies by simple parsing and punctuation insertion rules. And I suspect also that in the real world, most MARC display elements are labeled, which would in and of itself obviate the need for ISBD puctuation. It is a truism, but one worth remembering, that most problems never get solved, they just become less relevant. I think Lars has identified one of them. David >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ David Dorman US Marketing Manager, Index Data 52 Whitman Ave. West Hartford, Connecticut 06107 dorman@indexdata.com 860-389-1568 or toll free 866-489-1568 fax: 860-561-5613 or +45 3341 0101 INDEX DATA Means Business for Open Source and Open Standards - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.indexdata.com From drweb at san.rr.com Mon Nov 28 21:11:52 2005 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Tue Nov 29 00:07:45 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Use of varying feed/alert protocols In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20051128154146.03018a30@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <00a601c5f48a$43ac59c0$3a964b42@PMM> Good luck on the quest, Leslie.. as you'll likely hear, there's really no good reason at present to have to choose either RSS or Atom; for your users, given your resources, you probably would wish to implement both automagically. The site noted below comes from the Atom-side of the fence (linked from here , for example), but it's an interesting discussion of the RSS and Atom worlds for feeds; I thought it might be helpful to you in your decision. Comparing RSS 2.0 and Atom 1.0 http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/Rss20AndAtom10Compared "People who generate syndication feeds have a choice of feed formats. As of mid-2005, the two most likely candidates will be RSS 2.0 and Atom 1.0. The purpose of this page is to summarize, as clearly and simply as possible, the differences between the RSS 2.0 and Atom 1.0 syndication languages." Do let us know what you decide to do there at UVa. Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: bleakness ... desolation ... plastic forks ... Monday, November 28, 2005 6:05:42 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Johnston >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:04 PM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: [Web4lib] Use of varying feed/alert protocols > >All, > >We're starting our exploration of setting up a new content alert >service for our Digital Library Repository. The question isn't >whether to do so, but using which protocol(s)? > >The history of the development is interesting. Check out the >"History' and "Incompatibilities" sections of the wikipedia page >dealing with the different: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rss and >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_%28standard%29 > >We'll be generating our feed content in a home-grown programmatic way >from already existing metadata in XML form, using XSLT. We're not >looking for tools, nor are we constrained by any. > >I came across this interesting page showing a rough distribution of >RSS versus Atom: > > http://www.syndic8.com/stats.php?Section=feeds#FeedLang > >Trying to get a handle on what various aggregator tools support is >challenging, because of the sheer number of tools: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_aggregators > >So, a little informal research seems in order. I'd like to hear from >those of you who provide feeds/alerts -- do you provide RSS (which >version[s]), Atom, or both? > >Thanks in advance, >Leslie > >------------ >Leslie Johnston >Head, Digital Access Services >University of Virginia Library >http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ >http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ >johnston@virginia.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Nov 28 17:03:42 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Tue Nov 29 00:09:30 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] "hacking" Google Book Search to get whole contents In-Reply-To: <2545a92c0511281356j1f3a3fc0yd423c94e7b0a4219@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c5f467$98cd7e20$6401a8c0@venus> > On 11/28/05, Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > > It's also worth noing that *this just won't work* for in-copyright books > > from the Google Library Project, since you get three snippets, not three > > pages. Quite apart from the likelihood that Google will figure out that > > people are gaming the system and use cookies to prevent it... > > Hmm, I guess I got lucky on the 3 books I picked at random. Don't rule out Google reading and taking action on what people are reporting--it's a company with real people in it, some of them probably reading this very list, even if it projects the image of the world's largest brain in a jar ;) Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From alexander.johannesen at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 18:51:19 2005 From: alexander.johannesen at gmail.com (Alexander Johannesen) Date: Tue Nov 29 00:24:07 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <200511281835.jASIZYWf004164@localhost.localnet> References: <000401c5f43d$f8af2f20$6401a8c0@venus> <200511281835.jASIZYWf004164@localhost.localnet> Message-ID: Hi, On 11/29/05, Mike Taylor wrote: > This tells me that all MARC records could be replaced a single line of > undifferentiated keywords and identifiers, like this: "c s lewis the > abolition of man moral law subjectivism 0060652942". > > No! Don't shoot me! I'm only joking! I think! 1. You're both right and wrong. 2. We all love and hate MARC at the same time. and 3. Welcome to metadata heaven *and* hell. Very concrete, isn't it? :) > What it really _does_ show -- I think -- is that _for the purposes of > Amazon-like searching_, this ultra-weak metadata suffices. The > question is what proportion of all catalogue searching is in this > sense "Amazon-like", and my feeling is that the answer is very close > to 100% of it. Not quite 100%, though: sometimes you really do need > to differentiate between searching for books _written by_ Winston > Churchill and books _about_ Winston Churchill. I think you're taking MARC too literal. You have to remember that is is a 30 year old culture more than a strict standard, and I and my collagues certainly treat it that way. No one handles MARC out of the box; there are normalisation filters and procedures it has to go through, lots of general second-guessing meaning and some black magic thrown in to work out if the identification of anything within the record is usable. > Finally let me also say that of course metadata has other uses as well > as searching. Roughly, the other half of the equation is retrieval, > or display. But again, I find myself thinking that the world probably > need rather less in the way of structure here than we information > professionals tend to want to give them. MARC is simply wonderful ... *when* you know how to handle it! If you just use it out of the box, you *will* get into trouble. You need to define a good measures of normalisation and cleaning up. There's a few projects around that does that. Just to give you a good idea, we've got three dedicated developers full time for the last year that have create such a normalisation process, and we're still not happy with it. It's a know problem within the library world, which is the very reason a lot of us wants to push towards a more semantically rich format. But of course, it ain't happening any time soon. Good luck. Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ From valasec at fastmail.fm Tue Nov 29 09:14:32 2005 From: valasec at fastmail.fm (VALA Secretariat) Date: Tue Nov 29 09:14:44 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] VALA2006: CONNECTING WITH USERS Conference - Register Now, Pay by 9 December Message-ID: <1133273672.14353.248571340@webmail.messagingengine.com> (Apologies for cross-postings) Dear Colleague, In response to a number of requests, VALA has extended the time available to pay for your VALA2006 registration and still only pay the earlybird rate for this exciting event. Register by *Close of Business on Wednesday 30 November* (that's tomorrow), and we will accept payment at the earlybird rate up to Friday 9 December. You can register online at www.vala.org.au/vala2006/regn2006.htm , or download a registration form and fax it to the conference Office, on +61 3 9645 6322. 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From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 29 10:16:55 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Tue Nov 29 10:18:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] European copyright issues for Google Book Search Message-ID: An interesting piece from the Search Engine Watch blog on the impact of European copyright law on the Google Book Search project: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/051128-202243 Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Tue Nov 29 10:39:01 2005 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Tue Nov 29 10:39:08 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Paper on FRBR a top-10 download at eScholarship Repository Message-ID: <913B1CF9-4E61-4BC7-878C-27F7C2B1EAFB@ucop.edu> Since I'm no longer directly involved with the eScholarship Repository at my place of work (MPOW), I was surprised to go there today and see the redesign of the site (which I had known was in the works but didn't know was out). Anyway, there is now an option to see the "Top Ten Downloads" based on the average number of daily downloads since any given paper was posted. I was delighted to see that Martha Yee's paper on FRBR was number 7, since it is one of the few library science papers in a repository that includes all disciplines. See . Congratulations Martha! Roy From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Tue Nov 29 11:20:04 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Tue Nov 29 11:20:49 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just quick notes... Relating to another posting: ISBD punctuation has been the bane of people handling MARC records for a very long time; you have to design display rules to stay out of its way, which sometimes interferes with making data look right. I remember the justification for ISBD punctuation being "so you could determine the bibliographic elements when the cataloging is in a language you don't read"--you know, because there's always a space-semicolon-space after this element, etc. That always struck me as a vaguely improbable scenario: "I don't know what language that book is in, but there's the statement of responsibility!" (But hey, I'm definitely not a cataloger.) As for "us all" using templates and/or having multiple people to design MARC displays: Generalizations are usually tricky. The display specifications for Eureka databases (including the RLG Union Catalog) have always been based directly on MARC fields, subfields, and indicators; we certainly don't have the luxury of "normalizing" those records in any organized manner (since the database is being updated daily); and the personpower available to write that spec has never been more than part of one person (me), with review and occasional assistance from a variety of others. Admittedly, that spec was based on considerably more than a decade of working with and explaining MARC. (Implementation of that spec has typically involved part of one other person..) The spec for the Eureka Full display is 18 single-spaced pages...and has evolved over the past decade, albeit slowly. [Actually, 18 pages isn't quite right: That doesn't include MARC holdings, which at one point had a separate five-page spec.] I keep hearing about a "more semantically rich" format than MARC21--at the same time I hear that all we need is "a single line of undifferentiated keywords and identifiers." The odds of widespread adoption of a more semantically rich format strike me as similar to the odds of universal success of the Semantic Web (that is, slender); what would be lost in abandoning the structure defined by MARC might not matter for some users but would certainly hamper in-depth research by specialists... As for strictness, though: MARC itself requires an 001 field (record ID), an 008 (various fixed-length control elements, most of which can be dummied) and a 245 (title, which may be a cataloger-supplied title). All else is optional. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/28/2005 03:51:19 PM: > Hi, > > On 11/29/05, Mike Taylor wrote: > > This tells me that all MARC records could be replaced a single line of > > undifferentiated keywords and identifiers, like this: "c s lewis the > > abolition of man moral law subjectivism 0060652942". > > > > No! Don't shoot me! I'm only joking! I think! > > 1. You're both right and wrong. > 2. We all love and hate MARC at the same time. > and > 3. Welcome to metadata heaven *and* hell. > > Very concrete, isn't it? :) > > > What it really _does_ show -- I think -- is that _for the purposes of > > Amazon-like searching_, this ultra-weak metadata suffices. The > > question is what proportion of all catalogue searching is in this > > sense "Amazon-like", and my feeling is that the answer is very close > > to 100% of it. Not quite 100%, though: sometimes you really do need > > to differentiate between searching for books _written by_ Winston > > Churchill and books _about_ Winston Churchill. > > I think you're taking MARC too literal. You have to remember that is > is a 30 year old culture more than a strict standard, and I and my > collagues certainly treat it that way. No one handles MARC out of the > box; there are normalisation filters and procedures it has to go > through, lots of general second-guessing meaning and some black magic > thrown in to work out if the identification of anything within the > record is usable. > > > Finally let me also say that of course metadata has other uses as well > > as searching. Roughly, the other half of the equation is retrieval, > > or display. But again, I find myself thinking that the world probably > > need rather less in the way of structure here than we information > > professionals tend to want to give them. > > MARC is simply wonderful ... *when* you know how to handle it! If you > just use it out of the box, you *will* get into trouble. You need to > define a good measures of normalisation and cleaning up. There's a few > projects around that does that. Just to give you a good idea, we've > got three dedicated developers full time for the last year that have > create such a normalisation process, and we're still not happy with > it. It's a know problem within the library world, which is the very > reason a lot of us wants to push towards a more semantically rich > format. But of course, it ain't happening any time soon. > > Good luck. > > > Alex > -- > "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." > - Frank Herbert > __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From eweinb04 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 12:02:58 2005 From: eweinb04 at yahoo.com (eweinb04@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Nov 29 12:10:00 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Putting my web skills to use at libraries Message-ID: <20051129170258.55909.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for advice on how to break into library web positions. I am a recent college graduate with 8 years of experience in web design and hand-coding HTML. I also have skills in Dreamweaver, Photoshop, CSS, XHTML, usability, website planning, web-based training, and internet research. How can I put my skills to use at libraries? Is there anyone on the list who would be willing to help me out? Thanks, Emily --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Tue Nov 29 11:58:28 2005 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Tue Nov 29 12:21:45 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Name server lookups and root servers Message-ID: Hi, I had the idea that I would teach myself a little about DNS lookups by going to a root server and finding the name servers for the top level domain .ie. and then doing a name server lookup for galwaylibrary.ie on one of these servers. I went to the DOS prompt and typed Nslookup Server a.root-servers.net Ls -d ie. I receive a message "Can't list domain ie. Query refused." Are there restrictions on who can query a root server? 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From mike at miketaylor.org.uk Tue Nov 29 13:27:43 2005 From: mike at miketaylor.org.uk (Mike Taylor) Date: Tue Nov 29 12:29:15 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) References: Message-ID: <200511291827.jATIRhJk017338@localhost.localnet> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:20:04 -0800 > From: Walt.Crawford@rlg.org > > I keep hearing about a "more semantically rich" format than > MARC21--at the same time I hear that all we need is "a single line > of undifferentiated keywords and identifiers." Hey, c'mon, don't misrepresent me here! I was pretty clear, I think, that I don't really think the SLoUKaI solution is the way to go. _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "There's something Newtonian about paleontology: every conclusion produces an equal and opposite conclusion" -- Brian M. McCarthy From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Tue Nov 29 12:36:34 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Tue Nov 29 12:37:16 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <200511291827.jATIRhJk017338@localhost.localnet> Message-ID: Sorry. I didn't intend to misrepresent you. Actually, I didn't intend to represent you at all. As with you, I've heard that sentiment from others. That's why I didn't say "Mike Taylor says all we need is..." In both cases, I've heard these irreconcilable statements on and off over the past couple of years. The truth--if there is a truth in a case like this--likely lies somewhere in the middle. Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- Mike Taylor wrote on 11/29/2005 10:27:43 AM: > > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:20:04 -0800 > > From: Walt.Crawford@rlg.org > > > > I keep hearing about a "more semantically rich" format than > > MARC21--at the same time I hear that all we need is "a single line > > of undifferentiated keywords and identifiers." > > Hey, c'mon, don't misrepresent me here! I was pretty clear, I think, > that I don't really think the SLoUKaI solution is the way to go. > > _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor http://www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "There's something Newtonian about paleontology: every conclusion > produces an equal and opposite conclusion" -- Brian M. McCarthy > From lewisw at hhpl.on.ca Tue Nov 29 13:25:50 2005 From: lewisw at hhpl.on.ca (Walter Lewis) Date: Tue Nov 29 13:25:56 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438C9D2E.2010900@hhpl.on.ca> Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: >Just quick notes... > >Relating to another posting: ISBD punctuation has been the bane of people >handling MARC records for a very long time; you have to design display >rules to stay out of its way, which sometimes interferes with making data >look right. I remember the justification for ISBD punctuation being "so you >could determine the bibliographic elements when the cataloging is in a >language you don't read"--you know, because there's always a >space-semicolon-space after this element, etc. That always struck me as a >vaguely improbable scenario: "I don't know what language that book is in, >but there's the statement of responsibility!" (But hey, I'm definitely not >a cataloger.) > > I had heard the "so you could OCR the catalogue card" version. >As for "us all" using templates and/or having multiple people to design >MARC displays: Generalizations are usually tricky. The display >specifications for Eureka databases (including the RLG Union Catalog) have >always been based directly on MARC fields, subfields, and indicators; we >certainly don't have the luxury of "normalizing" those records in any >organized manner (since the database is being updated daily); and the >personpower available to write that spec has never been more than part of >one person (me), with review and occasional assistance from a variety of >others. [snip] > I could from the school (perhaps a very small school) that thinks that when you extract a 245a (with or without normalizing the gratuitous punctuation) and put it in a specific spot on a screen (green screen or browser) you are using a template for the content placement. Perhaps it appears next to a friendly ( ... or more succinct, marc-oriented) label placed there by the same templating rules. In short, if it is not in marc communications format, that glorious single string with its offsets etc., it has probably passed through some template (your specs, being an example) for human display. That most of us sigh deeply and display the embedded punctuation, however arcane, mostly reflects the dead hand of AACR et al. and the cost of fixing thirty years of confusing punctuation with sub-fields indicators. Twenty plus years ago I simply learned enough of the rules to get my degree (along with a promise to never take money for cataloguing). For my sins, I just supervise catalogues and cataloguers as well as do other library web stuff. In the last few years, I have *frequently* found opportunities to repurpose bibliographic information that *could* be extracted from a marc record but which brings with it a legacy of unique bits of stuff that doesn't map into other (perhaps equally arcane) citation formats. An example: could we not separate last name and first name in the 1xx and 7xx fields so that they can be placed in a user preferred order and not only in the AACR ordained pattern? We have 2000+ subfields and one of them can't be first name? My excuse for getting that off my chest here? I want to express marc records in a variety of ways within and beyond the library website. ISBD routinely gets in my way. Occasionally so do other marc rules. Walter Lewis Halton Hills (the guy no one would confuse with Walt Crawford) From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Tue Nov 29 13:43:42 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Tue Nov 29 13:44:24 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <438C9D2E.2010900@hhpl.on.ca> Message-ID: Those are really interesting comments. I don't find much to disagree with. Yes, I guess a spec and a template are pretty much the same thing. (Ours is probably one of the more elaborate...) As for the lack of a secure/always-working way to parse first name from last name in x00 fields (100, 700, etc.): You get no disagreement here. (Usually "take the portion of the $a subfield that follows the first comma and precedes a second comma, if present, and treat that as the first name" will work. Sometimes it won't, and when it doesn't, it really looks stupid. Albeit not as stupid as most non-bibliographic databases, which cheerfully assume that initial articles are part of the sorting string. My MusicMatch "database" at home has a lot of stuff in the range beginning "Th") Then there's 773$g, which for those of us who actually store data in MARC-equivalent form and support OpenURL and bibliography-software export is a particular bane: "Let's smoosh the year, volume, issue, and pagination for an article into one subfield with no real rules for how it is to be entered." Humans can usually separate out the pieces pretty well. Writing a concise algorithm to do so by computer with 100% accuracy no matter how mediocre the source data: Priceless. Also hopeless. I believe libraries could *use* a richer metadata system than MARC. I just wonder whether it's likely to happen... Walt Crawford wcc@rlg.org, 650-691-2227 ------------------------------------- Typically reachable: Monday & Wednesday 7 a.m.-3 p.m. Tuesday & Thursday 7 a.m.-2 p.m. Friday 7-11 a.m. -------------------------------------- web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org wrote on 11/29/2005 10:25:50 AM: > Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > > >Just quick notes... > > > >Relating to another posting: ISBD punctuation has been the bane of people > >handling MARC records for a very long time; you have to design display > >rules to stay out of its way, which sometimes interferes with making data > >look right. I remember the justification for ISBD punctuation being "so you > >could determine the bibliographic elements when the cataloging is in a > >language you don't read"--you know, because there's always a > >space-semicolon-space after this element, etc. That always struck me as a > >vaguely improbable scenario: "I don't know what language that book is in, > >but there's the statement of responsibility!" (But hey, I'm definitely not > >a cataloger.) > > > > > I had heard the "so you could OCR the catalogue card" version. > > >As for "us all" using templates and/or having multiple people to design > >MARC displays: Generalizations are usually tricky. The display > >specifications for Eureka databases (including the RLG Union Catalog) have > >always been based directly on MARC fields, subfields, and indicators; we > >certainly don't have the luxury of "normalizing" those records in any > >organized manner (since the database is being updated daily); and the > >personpower available to write that spec has never been more than part of > >one person (me), with review and occasional assistance from a variety of > >others. [snip] > > > I could from the school (perhaps a very small school) that thinks that > when you extract a 245a (with or without normalizing the gratuitous > punctuation) and put it in a specific spot on a screen (green screen or > browser) you are using a template for the content placement. Perhaps it > appears next to a friendly ( ... or more succinct, marc-oriented) label > placed there by the same templating rules. In short, if it is not in > marc communications format, that glorious single string with its offsets > etc., it has probably passed through some template (your specs, being an > example) for human display. That most of us sigh deeply and display the > embedded punctuation, however arcane, mostly reflects the dead hand of > AACR et al. and the cost of fixing thirty years of confusing punctuation > with sub-fields indicators. > > Twenty plus years ago I simply learned enough of the rules to get my > degree (along with a promise to never take money for cataloguing). For > my sins, I just supervise catalogues and cataloguers as well as do other > library web stuff. In the last few years, I have *frequently* found > opportunities to repurpose bibliographic information that *could* be > extracted from a marc record but which brings with it a legacy of unique > bits of stuff that doesn't map into other (perhaps equally arcane) > citation formats. > > An example: could we not separate last name and first name in the 1xx > and 7xx fields so that they can be placed in a user preferred order and > not only in the AACR ordained pattern? We have 2000+ subfields and one > of them can't be first name? > My excuse for getting that off my chest here? I want to express > marc records in a variety of ways within and beyond the library > website. ISBD routinely gets in my way. Occasionally so do other marc > rules. > > Walter Lewis > Halton Hills > (the guy no one would confuse with Walt Crawford) > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From alexander.johannesen at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 16:48:44 2005 From: alexander.johannesen at gmail.com (Alexander Johannesen) Date: Tue Nov 29 16:48:49 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On 11/30/05, Walt.Crawford@rlg.org wrote: > I keep hearing about a "more semantically rich" format than MARC21--at the > same time I hear that all we need is "a single line of undifferentiated > keywords and identifiers." The odds of widespread adoption of a more > semantically rich format strike me as similar to the odds of universal > success of the Semantic Web (that is, slender); what would be lost in > abandoning the structure defined by MARC might not matter for some users > but would certainly hamper in-depth research by specialists... Well, as the technical editor for a book on the Semantic Web I'd just like to say that that is the biggest pile of ... uh, no you're absolutely correct about the Semantic Web. It won't work, even if the prototypes pop up and say "Hey!" proving that they can replicate something that has already been done in far more efficent ways elsewhere. There are a number of "semantically richer" library formats about, but my own investigations seems to find that they're all basically someone thinking about a schema more than thinking about a datamodel that might fit some richer scheme. (The exception here is FRBR, which falls into the pit of "it's only a datamodel" which a lot of people want to retrofit into MARC (!!).) In my world, I see MARC as a foggy soup that I can extract samples from, analyse and present some interesting results from. I never use it on its own; for that, the data itself is too flakey and poor, riddled with human errors and wants and needs, and generally hard to grasp. And I think you're right; we cannot create a richer format to encapsulate all that the cult of MARC has accumulated in the last 30 years. Sometimes, when I feel just a tad masochistic, I tend to enjoy the flakey nature of MARC, thinking that the power of MARC is that it is useless all by itself and *needs* to be analysed and nurtured and patted and lulled ... But then at other times I tear my hear out, now resulted in baldness. Thanks, MARC. Alex -- "Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know." - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __________________________________________________ From afsae at uaa.alaska.edu Tue Nov 29 20:14:16 2005 From: afsae at uaa.alaska.edu (Susan Elliott) Date: Tue Nov 29 20:14:05 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Job posting: system admin in Anchorage, AK Message-ID: POSITION: Joint Library Catalog System Administrator LOCATION: Consortium Library, University of Alaska Anchorage SALARY: $46,009.60 - $51,812.80 annual minimum RESPONSIBILITIES: Serve as primary database system administrator, user support person, system report writer and system training coordinator for regional Sirsi Unicorn system for the UAA/APU Consortium Library, five extended campus libraries, and ARLIS. Work with library staff, information technology staff, vendors and system administrators in other partner libraries to solve problems, improve and enhance services, test and troubleshoot system activities and upgrades, and maximize the use of the shared integrated library system. Provide backup systems support for other information technology activities within the Consortium Library and ARLIS. REQUIREMENTS: Recent experience in using, managing and troubleshooting integrated library systems. Knowledge of library operations, such as circulation, serials management, cataloging, acquisitions or reference. Knowledge of MARC record format. Experience working in a UNIX or other non-Windows based operating system. Project management experience. Ability to manage and prioritize multiple tasks. Ability to work within a team and independently. Demonstrated ability to communicate effectively and clearly both in writing and orally. Attention to detail. Creativity, flexibility, and ability and willingness to learn new technical skills. Superior diplomacy skills. BA/BS degree or equivalent required; Masters of Library Science Degree from ALA accredited institution preferred. Experience with Sirsi Unicorn system administration or Sun Solaris systems preferred. Knowledge of JavaScript, XML, and HTML preferred. Experience with MARC holdings format preferred. APPLICATION: Full job description and online application available at: http://www.uakjobs.com/applicants/Central?quickFind=52193. Only online applications will be considered. Open until filled. ======================================================== Susan Elliott Head, Library Systems Consortium Library and Associate Professor Univ. of Alaska Anchorage Email: afsae@uaa.alaska.edu 3211 Providence Drive Phone: (907) 786-1847 Anchorage, AK 99508 Fax: (907) 786-1834 ======================================================== From lars at aronsson.se Wed Nov 30 07:32:59 2005 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Wed Nov 30 07:33:18 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness In-Reply-To: <20051128175003.68206.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051128175003.68206.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt wrote: > Part of what you are asking about has to do with the different > speeds or cycles and different levels of cataloguing quality > tolerance that exist from one type of library to another and one > size of library to another. Sometimes a very large university > library will have to bear with inconsistencies for a year or > more because its budget for re-cataloguing is spread out over a > year or a 5 year plan. The inconsistencies can come from legacy > collections, change of staff, re-organisations... One of the strangest inconsistencies that I've found was this: 600 14 $a Chateaubriand, Fran $d ois Ren? de What surprised me even more, however, was the response I got when I reported this. The librarian told me that this comes from a batch conversion of some legacy records a few years ago, where the c-cedilla (?) character was misinterpreted as the subfield separator followed by letter d, i.e. subfield "$d". He informed me that he had now corrected the record that I reported. But wait, there are hundreds of similar records! It's as if he just didn't have the tools to do a global "search and replace". This is when I thought that, hey, I have those tools. I could find and fix the majority of these records in a matter of hours and maybe earn myself a few hundred dollars. That is not a full library budget, but the salary cost for one workday. The current state is an official embarrassment. It would be good to fix this. If it is common that library catalogs have these inconsistencies, and library systems don't help to fix them, I could make it a business to offer my MARC tune-up services. But again, this inconsistency really doesn't matter because you can still search for Chateaubriand. Who cares about the given name? If libraries thought that inconsistencies were important, they would have found ways to fix them long ago. Add to this that libraries are monopolies. They have to fight against budget cuts, but never against competitors. The library with the erroneous catalog records doesn't really lose business. If they don't directly benefit from fixing them, then why should they? So, back to my question: How can you motivate that libraries should fix their broken catalog records? Or shouldn't they? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Wed Nov 30 10:47:42 2005 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Wed Nov 30 10:48:26 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 2005 index available Message-ID: The cover sheet and indexes for Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large, v. 5 (2005), is now available for downloading at http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ5ix.pdf (Yes, "is"--it's a single document containing the cover sheet and the two indexes.) This completes volume 5. From Cathryn.E.BOWIE at ojd.state.or.us Wed Nov 30 11:14:36 2005 From: Cathryn.E.BOWIE at ojd.state.or.us (Cathryn.E.BOWIE@ojd.state.or.us) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:14:50 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] kiosk application In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any recomendations on kiosk software? I have 5 public stations on a blade server. thanks Cathryn Bowie Electronic Services Librarian State of Oregon Law Library 503-986-5921 cathryn.e.bowie@ojd.state.or.us From j.thomale at ttu.edu Wed Nov 30 11:50:05 2005 From: j.thomale at ttu.edu (Thomale, J) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:50:10 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] MARC strictness Message-ID: <8A4A1AC405A318409439CE7542F85E6581EF83@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu> > One of the strangest inconsistencies that I've found was this: > > 600 14 $a Chateaubriand, Fran $d ois Ren? de > > What surprised me even more, however, was the response I got > when I reported this. The librarian told me that this comes > from a batch conversion of some legacy records a few years > ago, where the c-cedilla (?) character was misinterpreted as > the subfield separator followed by letter d, i.e. subfield > "$d". He informed me that he had now corrected the record > that I reported. But wait, there are hundreds of similar > records! It's as if he just didn't have the tools to do a > global "search and replace". >From my (admittedly limited) experience processing and manipulating MARC records, and based on comments that I've heard throughout this discussion and elsewhere, it's not quite that simple. If you were talking about a well-structured database with a relatively clear data dictionary and rules for data entry, then yes--searching globally for errors and replacing them would be a routine matter. In that case, what would be considered consistent and inconsistent within the database would be well defined. There are a lot of problems with MARC when you begin trying to define "consistency." Some inconsistency is built right into the combination of format and cataloging rules--such as various types of punctuation sometimes being used as delimiters for data units and sometimes not, even though MARC's subfields were designed to serve exactly that purpose. So, in order to tell what's consistent and what isn't in that context, you'd have to have some sort of data structure that defines the appropriate punctuation for each individual subfield. And even then, as you stated in your original post, you've got to take into account that abbreviations will end in a period regardless of the rule for that subfield. So you'd have to have a data structure defining all possible abbreviations. Once you've accounted for all of the built-in inconsistencies, then you've got inconsistencies between institutions due to variance in local practices. So your programming would have to take those into account each time you change institutions. That's not to say that there aren't necessarily more obvious problems that you could check for--for instance, you could do some kind of global search and replace based on fields under authority control. Normalize the data in personal name fields and subject fields, compare it to an authority file, and then replace the inconsistent data with the appropriate data from the authority file. But then, still, you wouldn't necessarily know which piece of data to use to replace the bad one--for this kind of work it usually takes a judgement call. The best you could probably do would be to produce a report about which records and which fields are incorrect and then have someone manually fix those records. Furthermore, and--again--in my experience, all but the simplest automatic manipulation of MARC needs to be double checked because there is bound to be something that I didn't take into account that caused the resulting records to be incorrect. And so it falls back to a manual process. My point is that one of the reasons libraries, including mine, tend to fix MARC records manually and retrospectively is because the rules themselves are so wacky and inconsistent that they preclude much automatic processing. There *are* no tools for global search and replace in your sense within the MARC world (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). :-) Now--maybe I'm making this too difficult just because I'm bad at programming. Maybe the library world in general hasn't been creative enough or motivated enough to see the consistency behind the inconsistency--the order behind the chaos of MARC. (Truly--I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck). > This is when I thought that, hey, I have those tools. I > could find and fix the majority of these records in a matter > of hours and maybe earn myself a few hundred dollars. That > is not a full library budget, but the salary cost for one > workday. The current state is an official embarrassment. It > would be good to fix this. > If it is common that library catalogs have these > inconsistencies, and library systems don't help to fix them, > I could make it a business to offer my MARC tune-up services. I say go for it! If your methods work reliably and are relatively simple and inexpensive, it couldn't hurt. I would be very interested to see/hear what you have in mind. > But again, this inconsistency really doesn't matter because > you can still search for Chateaubriand. Who cares about the > given name? If libraries thought that inconsistencies were > important, they would have found ways to fix them long ago. > Add to this that libraries are monopolies. They have to > fight against budget cuts, but never against competitors. > The library with the erroneous catalog records doesn't really > lose business. If they don't directly benefit from fixing > them, then why should they? Well...most librarians I know genuinely want to help their patrons. I'm not nor do I aspire to be a library administrator, but I think it's really a question of cost-effectiveness. Since it has historically been impossible to do much automatic MARC cleanup, and cleaning up an entire catalog manually would take a tremendous number of man-hours, libraries have had to make do with simpler but less effective methods: spot-checking the catalog, hacking out rudimentary report-running routines, and retrospectively fixing problems as they're reported. I think that catalog database cleanup most often occurs in a way that has the most impact on usability for patrons. If there's an obvious problem in the 245$a of a book that circulates frequently then it will probably get fixed relatively quickly, while a problem in an obscure subfield that isn't even indexed might never get fixed because it doesn't affect retrieval of the record. > So, back to my question: How can you motivate that libraries > should fix their broken catalog records? Or shouldn't they? Again, I think that most libraries *try* so long as their efforts are worth it (i.e., they actually fix something that has a systemic impact and aren't prohibitivly difficult or time-consuming). If it doesn't make a difference to the patrons and the system in general, why go through the time and expense? Now...I realize that I'm dancing around the larger issues that these questions raise--whether or not human-generated structured metadata is "worth it" in a larger sense, how much structure is too much structure, and whether or not data consistency ("metadata quality"?) is that important. These are big questions, and I think the best answer that anybody can give right now to the first is that the amount of structure in an effective metadata format should fit the purpose that the metadata is trying to accomplish. For purposes of *basic* information retrieval, as Mike has pointed out, little structure is necessary--and MARC is most definitely overkill, which is why some data inconsistency is tolerable. But, for information display (which can sometimes be very complex), automatic reporting, data analysis, resource preservation, etc., metadata structures with MARC's semantic depth are not out of the question. As for data consistency, I don't think we can argue that it's not important. Many of the postings in this thread have talked about the difficulty of working *around* MARC's inconsistencies. Data consistency is a fundamental principle of data architecture, after all, and generally makes for happy systems. But, as has been pointed out, MARC is a special beast. It has a very rich history--there's a LOT of very interesting information in the world's MARC store, despite its inconsistency. That the format still works as well as it does is a small miracle. And, if I may [sort of] quote from the ultimate fount of wisdom, "when 40 years old you become, look as good you will not, hmm?" Jason Thomale Metadata Librarian Texas Tech University Libraries From kniesner at ohsu.edu Wed Nov 30 12:55:06 2005 From: kniesner at ohsu.edu (Dan Kniesner) Date: Wed Nov 30 13:45:31 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] ViDe 2006: 8th Annual SURA/ViDe Digital Video Conference Message-ID: Please mark your calendars for ViDe 2006, the 8th Annual SURA/ViDe Digital Video Conference March 27-30, 2006. Hold those dates and plan to attend. This conference has become recognized as the essential annual learning event in collaborative audio/video conferencing, streaming video, and storing/serving video-on-demand. Conference content will include examples of digital video projects in the research and education community and information on big video, SIP migration, H.264, video preservation, new conferencing technologies, K-12 applications, technology in the medical community, real time collaboration, firewalls, public broadcasting, voice over IP, open-source interactive media, digital libraries, and search engines. There will also be a general session to hear from the exhibitors. In addition, two post-conference workshops will be offered on Thursday, March 30: - Advanced Topics in Audio/Video Conferencing - Internet2 Commons Site Coordinator Training and/or Big Video The 2006 conference will be held at Georgia Tech Hotel and Conference Center in Atlanta, Georgia (http://www.gatechhotel.com ). More details will become available at: http://www.vide.net/conferences/spr2006 . Don't miss this event of the year for video applications in the research and education community! - The ViDe 2006 Conference Planning Committee ------------------------ About ViDe Formed in 1998, ViDe (Video Development Initiative, http://www.vide.net ) is an international organization with the mission to promote the development and deployment of digital video technologies in research and higher education. ViDe's working groups: - Developed the highly acclaimed Video Conferencing Cookbook, now in its fourth revision; - Led H.323 deployment in higher education with the Large Scale Video Network Prototype; - Developed the globally deployed ViDeNet H.323 network; - Provided the underlying architecture for the Internet2 Commons; - Developed a metadata application profile for digital video description and access, the most recent version using MPEG-7; - Continue to provide H.323 leadership through their work in the development of video middleware including the recent release of a new videoconferencing standard, ITU H.350. Dan Kniesner Oregon Health & Science University Library 3181 S.W. Sam Jackson Park Road Portland Oregon 97239 kniesner@ohsu.edu 503-494-3216 fax 503-494-3227 (ViDe planning committee lead) From jbiquez at icsmx.com Wed Nov 30 13:57:46 2005 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed Nov 30 14:31:24 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Training CD's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051130123258.00a02ea8@mail.icsmx.com> Hello all. We are planing to develop interactive training CD's. From basic to advanced levels. Actually we already have all the content material since we use it already for the courses we offer. Even when we have experience on "normal" training this is the first time we plan to do the training interactively . The idea is that our students can download the material from our web site or others without internet access will get a CD with the course (yes, we have thousands of students without internet access) We have technical expertise and programming skills so that should not be a problem but since we are doing all this for a non profit organization, we need the best and cheapest solution that let us integrate our material in an interactive way and let us do the deployment and production of the material via the Internet or in CD format. Any experience and tips you can share on this is really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. LSCA. Jorge Enrique Biquez Alvarez Consultant http://www.biquez.com http://www.icsmx.com jbiquez@icsmx.com jbiquez@computer.org MSN Messenger: pccontacto@hotmail.com Homero 1610 PB Col. Los Morales Polanco CP 11510 (frente a Pabellon Polanco) Mexico DF MEXICO Tels. +52 55 5282-1012, +52 55 5282-0779, +52 55 5282-0289 Cel. 04455-1853-7746 From es254 at cornell.edu Wed Nov 30 14:35:55 2005 From: es254 at cornell.edu (Zoe Stewart-Marshall) Date: Wed Nov 30 14:36:13 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] DEADLINE REMINDER: LITA 2006 Forum Call for Proposals Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051130143406.04467eb0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> (apologies for cross-postings) 2006 LITA National Forum: Call for Proposals Due date for proposals: December 15, 2005 The 2006 National Forum Committee seeks proposals for high quality concurrent sessions and/or poster sessions for the 9th annual LITA National Forum to be held at the Downtown Sheraton in Nashville, Tennessee October 26-29, 2006. Theme: NetVille in Nashville: Web Services as Library Services Libraries are increasingly being asked to provide services through the web. Often these services need to inter-operate with many disparate web environments. Web services and related standards offer an opportunity to provide these services to users. How do web services work together? How do they help us work together? What are some practical applications of web services as library services? The Forum Committee is particularly interested in presentations that highlight specific technology implementations, in any type of library. Proposals on all aspects of library and information technology are welcome. Possible proposal topics include, but are not limited to: 1. Non-Traditional/New Media (Streaming media, Wikis, blogs, Electronic books and journals*) 2. Digital Libraries (Resource linking strategies, Creating and sustaining digital libraries, Preservation of digital records*) 3. Authentication and Authorization (Digital Rights Management, Authentication/privacy, Services for remote patrons, Customization/personalization*) 4. Portals/Federated/Meta-Searching (Design and management of portals, Integrated access to resources, Search engines*) 5. Information architecture (Usability, Web services, Web application design and databases, Web content management*) 6. Emerging Technologies (Wireless technologies, Assistive technologies, New user services and new communities*) 7. Technology Management (IT Project Management, Forecasting, budgeting, and managing technological change, Knowledge sharing applications*) 8. Internet Law (Digital Copyright, Filtering Technology, Privacy*) 9. Open source software 10. Distance education and courseware Presentations must have a technological focus and they must pertain to libraries and/or be of interest to librarians. Concurrent sessions are approximately 70 minutes in length. Forum 2006 will also accept a limited number of poster session proposals. Presenters should indicate their interest in a poster session on their proposals. Presenters are required to submit handouts one month in advance for the Forum notebook, and handouts will be made available on the Web site after the event. Your proposals are welcome and much appreciated! To submit a proposal, send the following information via email (in ASCII, PDF, or RTF format): * Title * Abstract and brief outline * Target audience (Public Library, Academic Library, Special Library, Other - please specify) * Content type (technical, overview, case study, Other - please specify) * Brief biographical information. Include experience as a presenter and expertise in the topic * Full contact information * Is this proposal for a concurrent session? * Is this proposal for a poster session? * If this proposal is for a concurrent session, might this be a possible poster session? * How you heard about the 2006 Forum Call for Proposals The 2006 Forum Planning Committee will review proposals at the ALA Midwinter Conference in January 2006. You will be contacted about the status of your proposal by the end of February 2006. Submit proposals (in ASCII, PDF, or RTF) by December 15, 2005, to: Mary Taylor, mtaylor@ala.org, Executive Director, Library and Information Technology Association. This call for proposals is also posted on the LITA website at http://www.lita.org/ala/lita/litaevents/litanationalforum2006nashvilletn/06_Call.pdf *************************************************************** Zoe Stewart-Marshall Database Enrichment Librarian Cornell University Libraries 107E Olin Library Ithaca, NY 14853 Phone (607) 255-5757 Fax (607) 255-6110 From tapinformation at yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 15:25:17 2005 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Nov 30 15:25:23 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: OPAL online program about podcasting Message-ID: <20051130202517.77538.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! On Thursday, December 8 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 p.m. Central, noon Mountain, 11:00 a.m. Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT, Greg Schwartz will host an online program that provides an introduction to podcasting. This online program is part of the OPAL Collaborative (www.opal-online.org), a group of dozens of libraries on several continents that are providing a wide variety of online programs of interest to library users and librarians worldwide. The URL to enter the online room is http://67.19.231.218/v4/login.asp?r=67955673&p=0. This OPAL event is free and open to everyone with a computer and an internet connection. There is no need to register and no registration fee. This event is scheduled to last approximately one hour. Please Note: The first time you enter an OPAL online room, your operating system may ask for your permission to have it download and automatically install a small plug-in. The web conferencing software used for OPAL programs supports users of various Microsoft operating systems (Win 98 and higher), Mac OS X, and Linux. Greg Schwartz, the presenter, is by day the Circulation Support Supervisor for the Louisville Free Public Library (http://www.lfpl.org/), and by night a husband, father, and blogger and podcaster extraordinaire of Open Stacks (http://www.openstacks.net/os/). This OPAL online event is sponsored by the Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center (http://www.mitbc.org/). If you are unable to participate in this live online event, it will be recorded and placed in the OPAL archive (http://www.opal-online.org/archive.htm). Also, the MP3 version of the audiorecording will be--you guessed it--distributed as an OPAL podcast (http://feeds.feedburner.com/OpalPodcast). If you have questions, please feel free to contact me. Tom Peters TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Nov 30 17:31:34 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed Nov 30 17:31:39 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Interesting article on Google Book Search Message-ID: Interesting article by Siva Vaidhyanathan in the December 2 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education: Vaidhyanathan, Siva. A Risky Gamble With Google. Chronicle of Higher Education, Volume 52, Issue 15, Page B7. December 2, 2005. Available online (subscription required) at: http://chronicle.com/weekly/v52/i15/15b00701.htm Siva also has posted a version on his blog: http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/002445.html A brief excerpt: "This particular project, I fear, opens up more problems than it solves. It will certainly fail to live up to its utopian promise. And it dangerously elevates Google's role and responsibility as the steward - with no accountability - of our information ecosystem. That's why I, an avowed open-source, open-access advocate, have serious reservations about it. It pains me to declare this: Google's Library Project is a risky deal for libraries, researchers, academics, and the public in general. However, it's actually not a bad deal for publishers and authors, despite their protestations." Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From robin at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 30 13:23:59 2005 From: robin at linc.lib.il.us (Robin) Date: Wed Nov 30 17:43:04 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] intranets, wikis and blogs, oh my! Message-ID: Hello all, I have been asked (or tasked) by my librarians to set up an intranet, upon (within?) which to experiment with wiki or blog software, or both, in order to have a place where staff can share information, update each other on changes as they occur, etc. I have no direct experience with any of the above, so would appreciate feedback from anyone who's done some of this. Recommendations of good products, or condemnations of bad ones, would be helpful, as would pointers to any good concise reference material showing me how to go about doing this. It is not required to be up and running until al least the end of the week ? We are a Windows 2000 shop although our servers run Windows Server 2003. Any advice or assistance would be appreciated. If you like please reply off-list and I will summarize if there?s interest in seeing results. TIA for all suggestions. Robin. Robin Boulton rboulton@linc.lib.il.us IT Manager (630) 584 0076 x 258 St. Charles Public Library District Cell:? (630) 918 8738 St. Charles, IL 60174 http://www.stcharleslibrary.org/ From jaf30 at cornell.edu Wed Nov 30 18:22:40 2005 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Wed Nov 30 18:23:38 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] intranets, wikis and blogs, oh my! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051130181632.01f51930@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 01:23 PM 11/30/2005, Robin wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >Hello all, > >I have been asked (or tasked) by my librarians >to set up an intranet, upon (within?) which to >experiment with wiki or blog software, or both, >in order to have a place where staff can share >information, update each other on changes as >they occur, etc. I have no direct experience >with any of the above, so would appreciate >feedback from anyone who's done some of this. >Recommendations of good products, or >condemnations of bad ones, would be helpful, as >would pointers to any good concise reference >material showing me how to go about doing this. >It is not required to be up and running until al least the end of the week ??? About a year ago I installed a copy of Confluence (http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence), a wiki/blog communication tool for use by those of in our library involved in the development of new projects and to collaboratively document some old ones. I because aware of Confluence through an open source project I've been a part of for the past several years. The product has been so successful I've had to recruit someone in our operations group to help manage user accounts, group, and answer questions about it. We bought the enterprise edition (500 users) and consider it well worth it. >We are a Windows 2000 shop although our servers run Windows Server 2003. > >Any advice or assistance would be appreciated. >If you like please reply off-list and I will >summarize if there???s interest in seeing results. > >TIA for all suggestions. >Robin. > > >Robin Boulton >rboulton@linc.lib.il.us >IT Manager >(630) 584 0076 x 258 >St. Charles Public Library District > Cell:? (630) 918 8738 >St. Charles, IL 60174 > > >http://www.stcharleslibrary.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY From leo at leoklein.com Wed Nov 30 18:55:25 2005 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed Nov 30 19:03:10 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] Interesting article on Google Book Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438E3BED.2090806@leoklein.com> Sloan, Bernie wrote: > Siva also has posted a version on his blog: > > http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/002445.html > > A brief excerpt: > > "This particular project, I fear, opens up more problems than it solves. > It will certainly fail to live up to its utopian promise. And it > dangerously elevates Google's role and responsibility as the steward - > with no accountability - of our information ecosystem. That's why I, an > avowed open-source, open-access advocate, have serious reservations > about it. > "It will certainly fail to live up to its utopian promise." Well, what doesn't fail to live up to its utopian promise? You could say the same thing about most library mission statements. The one feeling I get when going through his article is how overwrought the argument is. I mean, we have a deal between Google and five research libraries, inked just a couple of months ago, covering a smidgen of their collections, where they get to keep a copy of the digital record and use it as they see fit -- and the author sees this as "entrusting[ing] our heritage and collective knowledge" to Google possibly with centenarian consequences. That's pretty far-fetched. He even goes on to imply, towards the end of the piece that this success -- the success of Google -- might spell the end of libraries. Should we assume then that if we can somehow do away with Google first -- you know, finish them off, that we'll be ensuring the longevity of our institutions? Again, it's hard to see the relation. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From michael.yunkin at unlv.edu Wed Nov 30 19:12:44 2005 From: michael.yunkin at unlv.edu (michael.yunkin@unlv.edu) Date: Wed Nov 30 19:12:49 2005 Subject: [Web4lib] New digitization wiki launched Message-ID: Announcing the launch of Digiwik: The Digitization Wiki (http://www.digiwik.org/) Digiwik is designed to be a repository of digitization information for use by individuals, museums, libraries, researchers, and any other entities with digitization needs. Please direct any feedback, comments, or questions to digiwik@gmail.com. Thank you, Michael Yunkin Web Content/Metadata Manager (& Digiwik administrator) UNLV Libraries Las Vegas, NV