From scp_sulli at sals.edu Fri Feb 1 00:38:51 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: non-SGML characters Message-ID: <020201003851.16496@sals.edu> >I've been using the • character to separate our address information >at the bottom of our pages. But now, as I'm moving to XHTML 1.0, I'm >finding that when I validate these characters are returned with the error >"reference to non-SGML character". I use the previously-mentioned iso-8859-1 rather than Windows-1252, and I include the optional (but required by the XHTML validators) as the first line. I use names (e.g. é) rather than the numbers for characters and I have no validation problems, although my Windows version of Lynx 2.8 won't display them properly using its default character set of 8859-1. The Lynx (2.7) on our consortium's Alpha does fine using Latin-1. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From scp_sulli at sals.edu Sat Feb 2 10:37:23 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <020202103723.186c9@sals.edu> >Not only does (just mine?) IE not remember which font size I specified >during its last session, it doesn't seem to remember from one instance to >the next. >This morning I launched the browser, it loaded my home page in "medium." A >new window (Ctrl N) loaded the same page in "smaller". ?? That's weird. My first thought was something like the mandatory profiles suggested by others, but this sounds more like some other software is messing with your settings. The only thing I can think of is to wipe a machine and only install IE 5 or 6 and whatever drivers you need for basic functionality. (I had to do this during a recent battle with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and flat-screen Gateways with Radeon cards.) Does IE default to Medium? Does this change at some point? If that doesn't work, perhaps those having the problem should compare specs and see what they have in common. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Sat Feb 2 13:31:12 2002 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <172830-22002262183112953@linc.lib.il.us> This happens on my home machine and on a number of them at work -- IE 5.5 and Win98SE. A second window will always launch with the "smaller" font if I am loading another program at the same time or occasionally if something intensive (java, whatever) is still loading in the first IE window when I hit ^N. I just added the text size button to the toolbar so that it's easily changed back. - Rachel >>Not only does (just mine?) IE not remember which font size I >specified >>during its last session, it doesn't seem to remember from one >instance to >>the next. > >>This morning I launched the browser, it loaded my home page in >"medium." A >>new window (Ctrl N) loaded the same page in "smaller". ?? > >That's weird. My first thought was something like the mandatory >profiles >suggested by others, but this sounds more like some other software >is messing >with your settings. > >The only thing I can think of is to wipe a machine and only install >IE 5 or 6 >and whatever drivers you need for basic functionality. (I had to do >this >during a recent battle with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and flat-screen >Gateways with >Radeon cards.) Does IE default to Medium? Does this change at some >point? > >If that doesn't work, perhaps those having the problem should >compare specs and >see what they have in common. --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From tgardnet at eclipse.net Sat Feb 2 13:52:36 2002 From: tgardnet at eclipse.net (Tom Gardner) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: Help with forms in FrontPage Message-ID: Hi, I am the webmaster (just started) at the Mercer County Library in NJ and I would appreciate it if somebody could help me with the following problem: How, in FrontPage 4.0, would one go about setting up multiple mailtos in a form? I need an online form, once submitted, to go to 3 separate e-mail addresses at once. Is there a way to do this in the html form code itself? If so, I have not found it. Any help would be appreciated. If you could point me to a site with code that already does this, so much the better! Thanks in advance. -- Tom Gardner 10 Abbott Court Flemington, NJ 08822 908-806-7378 From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Sat Feb 2 14:23:14 2002 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: PICs rating and IE5+ Message-ID: Is there a way to create your PICs rating file and then have the IE browser reference it off your own server? Thanks, Ian Chan Librarian Seattle Central Community College (206) 587-6336 http://www.seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan/ http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sat Feb 2 16:48:02 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with forms in FrontPage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202164147.00a080d0@ohiolink.edu> At 10:54 AM 2/2/02 -0800, Tom Gardner wrote: >Hi, > >I am the webmaster (just started) at the Mercer County Library in NJ and I >would appreciate it if somebody could help me with the following problem: > >How, in FrontPage 4.0, would one go about setting up multiple mailtos in a >form? I need an online form, once submitted, to go to 3 separate e-mail >addresses at once. Is there a way to do this in the html form code itself? >If so, I have not found it. > >Any help would be appreciated. If you could point me to a site with code >that already does this, so much the better! What you need is a server-side script to do this. There are serious problems in using mailto as the action for a form. Depending on the user's browser and/or e-mail client, the form submission may work, not work, not work *right*, or--worst of all--appear to work while silently leaving the mail unsent. The same holds true for mailto links that are tricked out with Cc: and Subject: headers as part of the URL. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK tdowling@ohiolink.edu From msauers at bcr.org Sat Feb 2 23:09:58 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with forms in FrontPage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > How, in FrontPage 4.0, would one go about setting up multiple mailtos in a > form? I need an online form, once submitted, to go to 3 separate e-mail > addresses at once. Is there a way to do this in the html form code itself? > If so, I have not found it. Ignoring the problems with mailto: actions... On the screen in FrontPage that asks you for the e-mail address of the person you want the results sent to, just fill in all three addresses separating them with commas. That should work. ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From daniel.noonan at sos.state.nj.us Mon Feb 4 08:48:24 2002 From: daniel.noonan at sos.state.nj.us (Daniel Noonan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Adobe mysteries References: <3C5B3922.1E8FA47@manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <3C5E9128.E9A4DF79@sos.state.nj.us> Regarding splitting the files what I would do is just save it as a different file name (xyz-1.pdf vs xyz.pdf for example) and then just delete the appropriate pages from each file and make sure any bookmarks i created were accurate -- you would probably want to create a bookmark in each to link to the other. This way you would not have the problems you are experiencing with the exporting it may take a few minutes longer, but it is probably worth it. Remember, before posting any files always do a "Save As" instead of "Save" as it compresses the file and gets rid of unnecessary file space. Thanks -- Dan Noonan Stacy Pober wrote: > I am just starting to use Acrobat files and I have two questions: > > 1) Why do files created in Acrobat 4 and 5 look so crummy in the > Acrobat v.3 reader? Is there any way to 'fix' this? (I can't > control the version someone is using on their home computer, and > there are a lot of people who haven't upgraded from v.3). > > 2) When you choose "Export" and then request that the program delete > the pages, does it really save it in some history list? I ask > because we had a weird experience today. We decided to split a > pdf file into two sections because of file size concerns. Went > into Acrobat, exported (and chose 'delete' in the Export menu). > Saved the original file. Saved the Exported file. The original > file, when viewed in Acrobat, looked fine and had the right > number of pages - but the file size had not changed at all. > > When we went in and instead chose to export the full document to > a new file, the file size was correct. My best guess was that > Acrobat saved the deleted pages in a section of the file that > contains revision history so you can 'undelete' it. But I have > no evidence of that. It's just a wild guess. > > Anyone know what caused that? > > -- > Stacy Pober > Information Alchemist > Manhattan College Libraries > Riverdale, NY 10471 > http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se Mon Feb 4 09:57:15 2002 From: Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se (Traugott.Koch@ub2.lu.se) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: Special Issue on Metadata, published by Journal of Digital Information Message-ID: <200202041457.PAA19567@irlib.lub.lu.se> Journal of Digital Information announces A SPECIAL ISSUE on Metadata: Selected papers from the Dublin Core 2001 Conference (Volume 2, issue 2, January 2002) Special issue Editor: Traugott Koch, Lund University, Sweden The papers are freely available online. From the special issue editorial "This issue evolved in cooperation with the organizers and the program committee of DC-2001, the International Conference on Dublin Core and Metadata Applications held in Tokyo, Japan. Common interests were identified and activities coordinated in an early phase, leading to a large degree of shared peer review for the conference presentations and the JoDI issue. Additional review and revision cycles resulted in the selection of eight among more than 50 total submissions to the conference track. Compared with the versions of the papers published in the conference proceedings, the authors of the selected papers had additional opportunity to revise and adapt papers to the specifications of JoDI reviewers and to the interests of the JoDI audience. "Conferences and journals have related, but separate and complementary goals. One of the objectives of the DC-2001 conference was to attract reports on pilot projects and the early experiences of practitioners, and bring these practitioners together. The conference papers included many good papers presenting efforts to construct domain-specific metadata profiles or exploring various practical dimensions of metadata applications. The contributions in this special issue focus instead on metadata models, querying of metadata, an architecture for a specific application area, and a first empirical study of experiences with metadata creation." http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/editorial/ The issue includes the following papers: C. Anutariya, V. Wuwongse, K. Akama and E. Nantajeewarawat, RDF Declarative Description (RDD): A Language for Metadata http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Anutariya/ A. Apps and R. MacIntyre, zetoc: a Dublin Core Based Current Awareness Service http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Apps/ T. Baker, M. Dekkers, R. Heery, M. Patel and G. Salokhe, What Terms Does Your Metadata Use? Application Profiles as Machine-Understandable Narratives http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Baker/ C. Dyreson, M. Bohlen and C. Jensen, MetaXPath http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Dyreson/ J. Greenberg, M. Pattuelli, B. Parsia and W. Robertson, Author-generated Dublin Core Metadata for Web Resources: A Baseline Study in an Organization http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Greenberg/ J. Kunze, A Metadata Kernel for Electronic Permanence http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Kunze/ C. Lagoze and J. Hunter, The ABC Ontology and Model http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Lagoze/ D. Wen, T. Sakaguchi, S. Sugimoto and K. Tabata, Multilingual Access to Dublin Core Metadata of ULIS Library http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v02/i02/Wen/ The Journal of Digital Information is an electronic journal published only via the Web. JoDI is currently free to users thanks to support from the British Computer Society and Oxford University Press http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | TRAUGOTT KOCH, Senior librarian, Digital Library Scientist | NETLAB, Lund Univ. Libraries Development Dept. and IT Dept. | at the Technical Knowledge Center of Denmark. | NetLab: P.O. Box 3. S-221 00 Lund, Sweden | Tel: int+46 46 2229233 Fax: int+46 46 2223682 | E-mail: traugott.koch@ub2.lu.se | Personal homepage: http://www.lub.lu.se/koch.html +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From schang at bridgew.edu Mon Feb 4 10:10:19 2002 From: schang at bridgew.edu (Chang, Sheau-Hwang) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: Job opening: Networked resouces management specialist at Bridgew ater, MA Message-ID: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E750507C552DA@mailhost.bridgew.edu> Please execuse cross-postings. Staff Associate, Library Systems Full-time, temporary, APA union position. Responsible for installation, maintenance, development and day-to-day operation and management of computer & network-based resources in the library; problem resolution for all library services areas; and other assigned projects. Required: Bachelor's degree in information technology related field; knowledge of computing technologies, particularly networking, multimedia applications, and web content management; experience with Windows 2000 Professional, MS Office, and other Windows-based applications; web scripting (PERL), C++, and XML languages; and ability to work collaboratively with others and communicate clearly and effectively. Preferred: Bachelor's degree in Computing Science or Information Systems; experience in support of and development on key operating systems platforms; Windows 2000 Server; and experience with library/information technologies, particularly networking, multimedia, and digital library applications. To apply, submit letter of interest, resume and five professional references to: Human Resources, Bridgewater State College, Bridgewater, MA 02325. Review will begin immediately and continue until position is filled. BSC is an Equal Opportunity Employer which actively seeks to increase the diversity of its workforce. From bishopk at rpi.edu Mon Feb 4 10:33:48 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <172830-22002262183112953@linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204103044.02e70cd0@mail.rpi.edu> I'd like to thank Stef Morrill for suggesting a fix to the problem that, in my case, worked. In short, de-selecting "Use Microsoft's viewer" for the Message Window properties in Eudora's Toolbox did the trick. Here's the reply: === I don't know if this is exactly the same problem, but... We were seeing this problem with some of our staff machines with Eudora 5.1 on them. If Eudora was set to use the Microsoft viewer, IE would go back to using the smaller font every time the browser was launched, no matter what the font was set to before. Once the Microsoft viewer was turned off, everything was dandy. You can also add this line to the eudora.ini, if you want to continue to use Microsoft viewer: SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1 === -kb At 10:44 AM 2/2/2002 -0800, Rachel Singer Gordon wrote: >This happens on my home machine and on a number of them at work -- IE >5.5 and Win98SE. A second window will always launch with the >"smaller" font if I am loading another program at the same time or >occasionally if something intensive (java, whatever) is still loading >in the first IE window when I hit ^N. I just added the text size >button to the toolbar so that it's easily changed back. > >- Rachel > > >>Not only does (just mine?) IE not remember which font size I > >specified > >>during its last session, it doesn't seem to remember from one > >instance to > >>the next. > > > >>This morning I launched the browser, it loaded my home page in > >"medium." A > >>new window (Ctrl N) loaded the same page in "smaller". ?? > > > >That's weird. My first thought was something like the mandatory > >profiles > >suggested by others, but this sounds more like some other software > >is messing > >with your settings. > > > >The only thing I can think of is to wipe a machine and only install > >IE 5 or 6 > >and whatever drivers you need for basic functionality. (I had to do > >this > >during a recent battle with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and flat-screen > >Gateways with > >Radeon cards.) Does IE default to Medium? Does this change at some > >point? > > > >If that doesn't work, perhaps those having the problem should > >compare specs and > >see what they have in common. > >--- >Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us >http://www.franklinparklibrary.org >http://www.lisjobs.com >--- _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From fgomez at criba.edu.ar Mon Feb 4 10:55:01 2002 From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: OPAC issues References: <001601c1ab6e$7b165d20$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> <3C5DBA3F.B4C5B67@lib.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: <003101c1ad94$4dd5b220$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> Chew Chiat Naun wrote: > It's quite likely you are already familiar with this document, but > Martha Yee wrote a major paper on OPAC design a couple of years ago: > > http://www.ifla.org/IV/ifla65/papers/098-131e.htm > > I remember seeing a much fuller version of the paper but cannot find it > at the moment. There were also responses by other commentators, of which > the following is one: > > http://dcsun1.comp.brad.ac.uk/~bopac2/htdocs/Guidelines_OPAC_Display.html Thank you for your replay. Yee's full paper hasn't been available at IFLA's website for a long time, although I could download a copy a couple of years ago. (And I've just found a copy here: http://ifla.inist.fr/ifla/VII/s13/guide/opac-d.pdf). Responses to that paper are also welcome; I didn't know the one you mention. Fattahi's PhD thesis, The Relevance of Cataloguing Principles to the Online Environment: An Historical and Analytical Study (http://wilma.silas.unsw.edu.au/students/RFATTAHI/thes1.htm), is also very interesting material. Regards. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fernando G?mez email: fgomez@criba.edu.ar ICQ 141305109 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biblioteca Antonio Monteiro Instituto de Matem?tica de Bah?a Blanca CONICET-UNS Av. Alem 1253 Bah?a Blanca - Argentina ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Mon Feb 4 10:54:24 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Adobe mysteries In-Reply-To: <3C5E9128.E9A4DF79@sos.state.nj.us> Message-ID: Adobe only displays part of a file at a time. The apache Web server can be set up to deliver only as much of a large .pdf file as the user needs to view a particular page and send the rest of the file as requested without resending what it's already sent. I forget the details, but we do it with our server for eReserves. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Daniel Noonan wrote: > Regarding splitting the files what I would do is just save it as a > different file name (xyz-1.pdf vs xyz.pdf for example) and then just > delete the appropriate pages from each file and make sure any bookmarks > i created were accurate -- you would probably want to create a bookmark > in each to link to the other. This way you would not have the problems > you are experiencing with the exporting it may take a few minutes > longer, but it is probably worth it. Remember, before posting any files > always do a "Save As" instead of "Save" as it compresses the file and > gets rid of unnecessary file space. > Thanks -- Dan Noonan > > Stacy Pober wrote: > > > I am just starting to use Acrobat files and I have two questions: > > > > 1) Why do files created in Acrobat 4 and 5 look so crummy in the > > Acrobat v.3 reader? Is there any way to 'fix' this? (I can't > > control the version someone is using on their home computer, and > > there are a lot of people who haven't upgraded from v.3). > > > > 2) When you choose "Export" and then request that the program delete > > the pages, does it really save it in some history list? I ask > > because we had a weird experience today. We decided to split a > > pdf file into two sections because of file size concerns. Went > > into Acrobat, exported (and chose 'delete' in the Export menu). > > Saved the original file. Saved the Exported file. The original > > file, when viewed in Acrobat, looked fine and had the right > > number of pages - but the file size had not changed at all. > > > > When we went in and instead chose to export the full document to > > a new file, the file size was correct. My best guess was that > > Acrobat saved the deleted pages in a section of the file that > > contains revision history so you can 'undelete' it. But I have > > no evidence of that. It's just a wild guess. > > > > Anyone know what caused that? > > > > -- > > Stacy Pober > > Information Alchemist > > Manhattan College Libraries > > Riverdale, NY 10471 > > http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ > From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Mon Feb 4 11:07:01 2002 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: defining HTML line-break points? Message-ID: <4.1.20020204110220.00c33d90@mail.wittenberg.edu> Hi folks, Does anyone know if it's possible in HTML to define preferred points for breaking a line -- something that a browser would interpret as "hey, if you have to wrap this line, break it "; Here's the instance I have in mind; at the bottom of our library page we have links to the other sections of the University web page, separated by pipes "|" | Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | Alumni & Friends | Parents & Visitors | Faculty & Staff | In some browsers/resolutions/fonts this shows up very nicely all in one line; in some it wraps. On *my* screen, it breaks at the ampersand in "Parents & Visitors"; I'd rather have it break a pipe where it has to break at all, but I'd rather not have it break when possible. Any ideas, or am i just too darn picky? Thanks Ken Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Mon Feb 4 11:33:11 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] defining HTML line-break points? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020204110220.00c33d90@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: Just replace all the spaces where you don't want a break with a non-breaking space character entity:   Then it will choose some other place to break when it needs to. For example: | Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | Alumni & Friends | ... etc. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Kenneth Irwin wrote: > Hi folks, > > Does anyone know if it's possible in HTML to define preferred points for > breaking a line -- something that a browser would interpret as "hey, if you > have to wrap this line, break it "; > > Here's the instance I have in mind; at the bottom of our library page we > have links to the other sections of the University web page, separated by > pipes "|" > > | Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | Alumni & > Friends | Parents & Visitors | Faculty & Staff | > > In some browsers/resolutions/fonts this shows up very nicely all in one > line; in some it wraps. On *my* screen, it breaks at the ampersand in > "Parents & Visitors"; I'd rather have it break a pipe where it has to break > at all, but I'd rather not have it break when possible. > > Any ideas, or am i just too darn picky? > > Thanks > Ken > Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu > Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 > Thomas Library, Wittenberg University > From fgomez at criba.edu.ar Mon Feb 4 11:59:40 2002 From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] defining HTML line-break points? References: <4.1.20020204110220.00c33d90@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: <000601c1ad9d$55d556c0$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> Kenneth: Instead of explicitly allow break points, you can explicitly *forbid* break points, replacing a whitespace with the entity   (nbsp stands for "non-break space"). For example, the line: | Alumni & Friends | will never break around the ampersand. Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fernando G?mez email: fgomez@criba.edu.ar ICQ 141305109 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biblioteca Antonio Monteiro Instituto de Matem?tica de Bah?a Blanca CONICET-UNS Av. Alem 1253 Bah?a Blanca - Argentina ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Irwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] defining HTML line-break points? > Hi folks, > > Does anyone know if it's possible in HTML to define preferred points for > breaking a line -- something that a browser would interpret as "hey, if you > have to wrap this line, break it "; > > Here's the instance I have in mind; at the bottom of our library page we > have links to the other sections of the University web page, separated by > pipes "|" > > | Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | Alumni & > Friends | Parents & Visitors | Faculty & Staff | > > In some browsers/resolutions/fonts this shows up very nicely all in one > line; in some it wraps. On *my* screen, it breaks at the ampersand in > "Parents & Visitors"; I'd rather have it break a pipe where it has to break > at all, but I'd rather not have it break when possible. > > Any ideas, or am i just too darn picky? > > Thanks > Ken > Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu > Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 > Thomas Library, Wittenberg University > > From bishopk at rpi.edu Mon Feb 4 12:17:19 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] defining HTML line-break points? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020204110220.00c33d90@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204121307.01dfd610@mail.rpi.edu> In order to keep text/content from wrapping, try this: Parents & Visitors And define .nowrap { white-space: nowrap; } Keep in mind, this may also create a horizontal scroll-bar depending on how the user has set the width of the browser window. Btw -- this should validate. HTH, -kb At 08:12 AM 2/4/2002 -0800, Kenneth Irwin wrote: >Hi folks, > >Does anyone know if it's possible in HTML to define preferred points for >breaking a line -- something that a browser would interpret as "hey, if you >have to wrap this line, break it "; > >Here's the instance I have in mind; at the bottom of our library page we >have links to the other sections of the University web page, separated by >pipes "|" > >| Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | Alumni & >Friends | Parents & Visitors | Faculty & Staff | > >In some browsers/resolutions/fonts this shows up very nicely all in one >line; in some it wraps. On *my* screen, it breaks at the ampersand in >"Parents & Visitors"; I'd rather have it break a pipe where it has to break >at all, but I'd rather not have it break when possible. > >Any ideas, or am i just too darn picky? > >Thanks >Ken >Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu >Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 >Thomas Library, Wittenberg University _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Mon Feb 4 13:22:32 2002 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] defining HTML line-break points? In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20020204110220.00c33d90@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: <4.1.20020204132147.00c4c610@mail.wittenberg.edu> Thanks all, the non-breaking space tag is just what i was looking for. finally! a legitimate use for the tag! ken At 11:33 AM 02/04/2002 -0500, Chris Gray wrote: >Just replace all the spaces where you don't want a break with a >non-breaking space character entity:   > >Then it will choose some other place to break when it needs to. > >For example: > >| Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | >Wittenberg Students | Alumni & Friends | ... etc. > >Chris Gray >Library Systems >University of Waterloo > > >On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Kenneth Irwin wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Does anyone know if it's possible in HTML to define preferred points for >> breaking a line -- something that a browser would interpret as "hey, if you >> have to wrap this line, break it "; >> >> Here's the instance I have in mind; at the bottom of our library page we >> have links to the other sections of the University web page, separated by >> pipes "|" >> >> | Wittenberg Home | Prospective Students | Wittenberg Students | >Alumni & >> Friends | Parents & Visitors | Faculty & Staff | >> >> In some browsers/resolutions/fonts this shows up very nicely all in one >> line; in some it wraps. On *my* screen, it breaks at the ampersand in >> "Parents & Visitors"; I'd rather have it break a pipe where it has to break >> at all, but I'd rather not have it break when possible. >> >> Any ideas, or am i just too darn picky? >> >> Thanks >> Ken >> Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu >> Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 >> Thomas Library, Wittenberg University >> > Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Mon Feb 4 14:02:57 2002 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204103044.02e70cd0@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204130159.00a93df0@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> This appeared to fix it for me too; however it had the unfortunate side effect of disabling hyperlinks in emails, so I had to turn it back on. At 07:33 AM 2/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I'd like to thank Stef Morrill for suggesting a fix to the problem that, in >my case, worked. In short, de-selecting "Use Microsoft's viewer" for the >Message Window properties in Eudora's Toolbox did the trick. > >Here's the reply: > >=== >I don't know if this is exactly the same problem, but... > >We were seeing this problem with some of our staff machines with Eudora 5.1 >on them. If Eudora was set to use the Microsoft viewer, IE would go back >to using the smaller font every time the browser was launched, no matter >what the font was set to before. Once the Microsoft viewer was turned off, >everything was dandy. You can also add this line to the eudora.ini, if you >want to continue to use Microsoft viewer: > >SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1 >=== > >-kb > > >At 10:44 AM 2/2/2002 -0800, Rachel Singer Gordon wrote: > >This happens on my home machine and on a number of them at work -- IE > >5.5 and Win98SE. A second window will always launch with the > >"smaller" font if I am loading another program at the same time or > >occasionally if something intensive (java, whatever) is still loading > >in the first IE window when I hit ^N. I just added the text size > >button to the toolbar so that it's easily changed back. > > > >- Rachel > > > > >>Not only does (just mine?) IE not remember which font size I > > >specified > > >>during its last session, it doesn't seem to remember from one > > >instance to > > >>the next. > > > > > >>This morning I launched the browser, it loaded my home page in > > >"medium." A > > >>new window (Ctrl N) loaded the same page in "smaller". ?? > > > > > >That's weird. My first thought was something like the mandatory > > >profiles > > >suggested by others, but this sounds more like some other software > > >is messing > > >with your settings. > > > > > >The only thing I can think of is to wipe a machine and only install > > >IE 5 or 6 > > >and whatever drivers you need for basic functionality. (I had to do > > >this > > >during a recent battle with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and flat-screen > > >Gateways with > > >Radeon cards.) Does IE default to Medium? Does this change at some > > >point? > > > > > >If that doesn't work, perhaps those having the problem should > > >compare specs and > > >see what they have in common. > > > >--- > >Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us > >http://www.franklinparklibrary.org > >http://www.lisjobs.com > >--- > >_________________________________________ >Kevin W. Bishop >Communication & Collaboration Technologies >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > | From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Mon Feb 4 14:07:39 2002 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: Help with forms in FrontPage Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BFBD@ex2.uchsc.edu> I've just tried separating with commas in Frontpage XP, IIS 5, and it generates an error message. Same thing with semicolons. We've wanted to do this too, so I searched at the support.microsoft.com web site and came up with this article - but haven't tried it yet. Involves doing a custom response page for after form submission: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q205756 Jeff Kuntzman Internet & Instruction Librarian Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center ********************* > How, in FrontPage 4.0, would one go about setting up multiple mailtos in a > form? I need an online form, once submitted, to go to 3 separate e-mail > addresses at once. Is there a way to do this in the html form code itself? > If so, I have not found it. Ignoring the problems with mailto: actions... On the screen in FrontPage that asks you for the e-mail address of the person you want the results sent to, just fill in all three addresses separating them with commas. That should work. From jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu Mon Feb 4 14:12:00 2002 From: jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu (Jon Solomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204103044.02e70cd0@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020204110918.00b06a50@library.berkeley.edu> interfering. instead of turning the viewer off, i added the line "SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1" in my eudora.ini which was suggested by kb. thanks to everyone for their replies and help. -- jon At 07:35 AM 2/4/2002 -0800, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: >I'd like to thank Stef Morrill for suggesting a fix to the problem that, in >my case, worked. In short, de-selecting "Use Microsoft's viewer" for the >Message Window properties in Eudora's Toolbox did the trick. > >Here's the reply: > >=== >I don't know if this is exactly the same problem, but... > >We were seeing this problem with some of our staff machines with Eudora 5.1 >on them. If Eudora was set to use the Microsoft viewer, IE would go back >to using the smaller font every time the browser was launched, no matter >what the font was set to before. Once the Microsoft viewer was turned off, >everything was dandy. You can also add this line to the eudora.ini, if you >want to continue to use Microsoft viewer: > >SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1 >=== > >-kb > > >At 10:44 AM 2/2/2002 -0800, Rachel Singer Gordon wrote: > >This happens on my home machine and on a number of them at work -- IE > >5.5 and Win98SE. A second window will always launch with the > >"smaller" font if I am loading another program at the same time or > >occasionally if something intensive (java, whatever) is still loading > >in the first IE window when I hit ^N. I just added the text size > >button to the toolbar so that it's easily changed back. > > > >- Rachel > > > > >>Not only does (just mine?) IE not remember which font size I > > >specified > > >>during its last session, it doesn't seem to remember from one > > >instance to > > >>the next. > > > > > >>This morning I launched the browser, it loaded my home page in > > >"medium." A > > >>new window (Ctrl N) loaded the same page in "smaller". ?? > > > > > >That's weird. My first thought was something like the mandatory > > >profiles > > >suggested by others, but this sounds more like some other software > > >is messing > > >with your settings. > > > > > >The only thing I can think of is to wipe a machine and only install > > >IE 5 or 6 > > >and whatever drivers you need for basic functionality. (I had to do > > >this > > >during a recent battle with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and flat-screen > > >Gateways with > > >Radeon cards.) Does IE default to Medium? Does this change at some > > >point? > > > > > >If that doesn't work, perhaps those having the problem should > > >compare specs and > > >see what they have in common. > > > >--- > >Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us > >http://www.franklinparklibrary.org > >http://www.lisjobs.com > >--- > >_________________________________________ >Kevin W. Bishop >Communication & Collaboration Technologies >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > | ___________________________ jon d. solomon technical services business & economics library haas school of business university of california, berkeley 510.643.6473 jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu Mon Feb 4 14:47:52 2002 From: jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu (Jon Solomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020204114706.00b14c80@library.berkeley.edu> yup, this seemed to ultimately be the problem: another program interfering. instead of turning the viewer off, i added the line "SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1" in my eudora.ini which was suggested by kb. thanks to everyone for their replies and help. -- jon At 07:35 AM 2/4/2002 -0800, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: I'd like to thank Stef Morrill for suggesting a fix to the problem that, in my case, worked. In short, de-selecting "Use Microsoft's viewer" for the Message Window properties in Eudora's Toolbox did the trick. Here's the reply: === I don't know if this is exactly the same problem, but... We were seeing this problem with some of our staff machines with Eudora 5.1 on them. If Eudora was set to use the Microsoft viewer, IE would go back to using the smaller font every time the browser was launched, no matter what the font was set to before. Once the Microsoft viewer was turned off, everything was dandy. You can also add this line to the eudora.ini, if you want to continue to use Microsoft viewer: SeparateMSHTMLSettings=1 === -kb ___________________________ jon d. solomon technical services business & economics library haas school of business university of california, berkeley 510.643.6473 jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Jennifer.Soutter at state.ma.us Mon Feb 4 16:09:09 2002 From: Jennifer.Soutter at state.ma.us (Soutter, Jennifer (LIB)) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: Access and achieving bibliographic output Message-ID: Hello All, I have a staff person who is interested in using Microsoft Access 2000 to hold bibliographic records and, hopefully, print bibliographies/a checklist. Is it possible to achieve output that looks like a bibliography, using this software? I noted that when creating a report using the wizard, the software created fixed field lengths based on field definitions. How do I redefine the fields so the output prints all of the field content? This looks like the main problem. Are there any others? Any assistance is welcome. Thank-you! Jennifer Systems Librarian State Library of Massachusetts 442 State House Beacon Street Boston, MA 02133 From mbeatty at wils.wisc.edu Mon Feb 4 16:17:48 2002 From: mbeatty at wils.wisc.edu (Mark Beatty) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: open book In-Reply-To: <200202042101.NAA13995@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020204151551.00aad600@144.92.126.193> Anyone know what happened to Open Book. After not paying attention to the project for several months I find the web site is not responding at all. Here's the URL: http://www.trfoundation.org Later, Mark From fgomez at criba.edu.ar Mon Feb 4 16:51:08 2002 From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: Fw: openbook status, briefly Message-ID: <00ce01c1adc6$0da91840$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> Mark wote: >Anyone know what happened to Open Book. After not paying attention to the >project for several months I find the web site is not responding at all. Following is a recent message posted to oss4lib. Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fernando G?mez email: fgomez@criba.edu.ar ICQ 141305109 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biblioteca Antonio Monteiro Instituto de Matem?tica de Bah?a Blanca CONICET-UNS Av. Alem 1253 Bah?a Blanca - Argentina ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Chudnov" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] openbook status, briefly > > Some mail fwded this way seems to indicate that the news on OpenBook is > not bad, just not yet public. Apparently everything's under control; > the devel folks have some things in the works, and hopefully we'll all > hear more about it very soon. > > In the meantime, afaik their mail server is still bouncing messages, so if > any of you are in direct touch with Willem and co. please let them know > we're all looking forward to the full scoop. > > -Dan > _______________________________________________ > > oss4lib-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://www.oss4lib.org/ > > From scott at lights.com Mon Feb 4 18:25:13 2002 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OCLC WorldCat access via abebooks In-Reply-To: <200202012151.AA1984757902@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jerry Kuntz wrote: > Discovered this at the blog Boing Boing: > "Library census. Amazon salesrankings are interesting, but what about > the noncommercial world of library shelves? Wouldn't it be cool to > discover which libraries are holding onto how many copies of your > favorite books? The Online Computer Library Center provides just such > a search -- for a fee. However, Abebooks (an online antiquarian and > rare book-search service) has a free back-door into the service. > Here's how it works: Go to this site and enter a search for a title > that isn't in any of Abebooks' members' catalogs. You'll be presented > with a link that activates a back-door search of the OCLC's library > database, which returns a list of all the American libraries that have > a copy on their shelves. Complicated, but cool." The other interesting news about abebooks is that last week they became a Commission Junction merchant. This means that CJ associates can make money from "selling" abebooks titles. I won't go into the details here, but if you want more info ask me off-list. From cchick at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 00:46:49 2002 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy L. 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Pacifici.) http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 5 09:47:54 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Adobe mysteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What I was thinking of is byte-serving, a feature built in to Apache 1.2.1 and later. PDF files have to be "optimized" to allow byte-serving. You can find "Tips for Distributing PDF Files on the Web" at: http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/29772.htm Chris On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Chris Gray wrote: > Adobe only displays part of a file at a time. The apache Web server can > be set up to deliver only as much of a large .pdf file as the user needs > to view a particular page and send the rest of the file as requested > without resending what it's already sent. I forget the details, but we do > it with our server for eReserves. > > Chris Gray > Library Systems > University of Waterloo > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Daniel Noonan wrote: > > > Regarding splitting the files what I would do is just save it as a > > different file name (xyz-1.pdf vs xyz.pdf for example) and then just > > delete the appropriate pages from each file and make sure any bookmarks > > i created were accurate -- you would probably want to create a bookmark > > in each to link to the other. This way you would not have the problems > > you are experiencing with the exporting it may take a few minutes > > longer, but it is probably worth it. Remember, before posting any files > > always do a "Save As" instead of "Save" as it compresses the file and > > gets rid of unnecessary file space. > > Thanks -- Dan Noonan > > > > Stacy Pober wrote: > > > > > I am just starting to use Acrobat files and I have two questions: > > > > > > 1) Why do files created in Acrobat 4 and 5 look so crummy in the > > > Acrobat v.3 reader? Is there any way to 'fix' this? (I can't > > > control the version someone is using on their home computer, and > > > there are a lot of people who haven't upgraded from v.3). > > > > > > 2) When you choose "Export" and then request that the program delete > > > the pages, does it really save it in some history list? I ask > > > because we had a weird experience today. We decided to split a > > > pdf file into two sections because of file size concerns. Went > > > into Acrobat, exported (and chose 'delete' in the Export menu). > > > Saved the original file. Saved the Exported file. The original > > > file, when viewed in Acrobat, looked fine and had the right > > > number of pages - but the file size had not changed at all. > > > > > > When we went in and instead chose to export the full document to > > > a new file, the file size was correct. My best guess was that > > > Acrobat saved the deleted pages in a section of the file that > > > contains revision history so you can 'undelete' it. But I have > > > no evidence of that. It's just a wild guess. > > > > > > Anyone know what caused that? > > > > > > -- > > > Stacy Pober > > > Information Alchemist > > > Manhattan College Libraries > > > Riverdale, NY 10471 > > > http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ > > > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 5 09:44:45 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: Mozilla 0.9.8 In-Reply-To: <000001c1ae08$84ad5d10$30acd9cf@CindysComputer> Message-ID: For those following the Mozilla effort, release 0.9.8 is out. You can get builds here: http://mozilla.org/releases/ Release Notes: http://mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.8/ Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Tue Feb 5 10:33:22 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: Update Adobe Acrobat 5? Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A671@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> I tried to update Acrobat 5 (full version0 to 5.05 and got the message: "Setup has determined that there is no product installed to update." Most error messages are snippy, but this one seems to be even more so - if that is possible. Has anyone else seen this? And every time I start it (it seem) it ask me if I want to update. "Fooled you!" Nobody loves a wise ask program. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 5 10:41:42 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla 0.9.8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020205100939.00b138f0@ohiolink.edu> At 10:02 AM 2/5/2002, Andrew I. Mutch wrote: >For those following the Mozilla effort, release 0.9.8 is out. You can get >builds here: > >http://mozilla.org/releases/ Performance seems substantially improved over 0.9.7. Also, the browser no longer defaults to auto-fetching favicon.ico (the battles over this have been thunderous) and there are now preference settings for exactly what scripts are allowed to do to your browsing session: you can enable or disable unrequested pop-up windows, window resizing, script access to cookies, and several other functions. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Linda_Salem at redlands.edu Tue Feb 5 11:59:20 2002 From: Linda_Salem at redlands.edu (Salem, Linda) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: LACASIS Event: UCLA Visualization Portal Message-ID: http://www.lacasis.org This announcement comes to you in electronic form only; print flyers will not be sent. ________________________________________________________ The Los Angeles Chapter of the American Society For Information Science & Technology invites you to a breathtaking demonstration of the ... UCLA Visualization Portal This new $2 million facility is an immersive virtual reality theater that supports researchers and faculty in their use of visualization, multimedia, high-performance computing, and networking technologies. It is currently the only academic facility of its kind in the West. The Portal has a 160x40-degree spherical screen that allows 3-D objects and virtual environments to be viewed with stereographics, localized and surround sound, tracking, and interactive object manipulation. During this demo you will be virtually transported back in time to a 3-D recreation of an ancient city, and forward in time to an architect's vision of a 21st century building. You will see how stunning discoveries in medicine and science have come to fruition using the Portal's cutting edge capabilities. For more information about the Portal, see http://www.oac.ucla.edu/portal/default.htm Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 Location: UCLA Visualization Portal 5628 Math Sciences Addition, UCLA campus Time: 3:30 pm Registration 4:00 pm Demonstration and Q & A 5:00 pm Reception and light refreshments 6:00 pm Optional Dinner-on-your-own (suggested restaurants in Westwood Village will be provided) Cost: ASIS Members $6.00 Non-Members $8.00 Students $3.00 RSVP BY: Friday, February 22, 2002. Please register early - space is limited to 45 attendees. Directions to the UCLA Visualization Portal can be found at: http://www.ats.ucla.edu/portal/location.htm#directions Closest parking structure is Lot 9. A one-day UCLA parking pass is $6.00. If you have any registration questions, please contact Heather Hessel at hhessel@acm.org or 310-559-0307 Reservations: Send this form and payment to: Heather Hessel 9054 Carson Street - Apt A Culver City, CA 90232 or Register online at: http://www.lacasis.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ Registration Deadline: February 22 Make Check Payable to: LACASIS NAME/AFFILIATION ___________________________________________________ ADDRESS: _________________________________________________________ DAYTIME PHONE:_______________ E-MAIL ADDRESS: ____________________ LACASIS MEMBER: Y N STUDENT: Y N AMOUNT ENCLOSED: __________ From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Tue Feb 5 12:38:31 2002 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Garwood, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: iii keyword search ??? Message-ID: Hi all, This is a question for those of you who use iii's MILLENNIUM edition. I'm working with a team at my library to design the Web interface for the library's opac...one SEVERE restriction we've come across is that the Keyword search is by "PHRASE" and that the Word search is "OR". I don't like either of these options and have been hoping that I could find a way to have a keyword that searched for two/three words and connected them by AND WITHOUT the patron having to type AND. What am I missing? I looked thru the woptions and other search areas in iii's manuals and can't see a "fix" to this...their older systems seem to have the "AND" built in to keyword searches or at least have their (I find this very funny) ASSEARCH woption set to go to "AND". III's answers to this question have been cryptic at best... Anyone figure out how to "fix" this or am I stuck with something I abhor? Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "The best leaders inspire by example, when that's not an option, brute intimidation works pretty well too" -- Despair Inc From kknox at tln.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 5 17:03:13 2002 From: kknox at tln.lib.mi.us (Karen Knox) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: FrontPage Web on shared server Message-ID: <000a01c1ae90$e916e540$2d390fce@tln.lib.mi.us> I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help me with this... We're just starting to use FrontPage 2000 for web page development. I'm currently migrating our web site to a new server, running Linux & Apache. We will not be "publishing" to the Web directly (in the sense of FrontPage publishing), but rather FTP-ing (actually WinSCP-ing for security) our files to/from the server. (I know the FP server extensions exist for Linux, but I don't want to get into that.) However, we do have a WinNT 4.0 server that is a file server, where we have shared drives and such. What I want to do is create a FrontPage Web on a shared drive on our NT server so that all members of our Web Team can access it, edit files, etc. in a common spot that's not on the web server itself. I've tried this a number of times, and I can't get it to work. I installed FrontPage on the NT server, created the Web, and populated it with all the web files. Then, from a client (Win98) workstation, I go into FrontPage and do an Open Web and point to the shared drive location, and I get this error: "The server "" timed out. The current request did not complete successfully." This NT server does not have IIS (or FP server extensions) installed and is not acting as a web server. But I wouldn't think it should have to. I just want it to store the files. Can anyone provide any insight for me?? Thanks much. Karen -------------------------------------------------------- Karen C. Knox, MLIS kknox@tln.lib.mi.us Head of Systems & Technology Novi Public Library - Novi, Michigan From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 5 17:07:52 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage Web on shared server Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBE9@mail1.morrisville.edu> If its not too late, switch to Dreamweaver from Macromedia. I just made the switch from FrontPage 2000 to Dreamweaver and am much happier with the results. FrontPage generates lousy HTML code. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Feb 5 18:58:26 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage Web on shared server In-Reply-To: <000a01c1ae90$e916e540$2d390fce@tln.lib.mi.us> References: <000a01c1ae90$e916e540$2d390fce@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <83261171204.20020205165826@riverofdata.com> To access the FP web as you're wanting to do, you must have IIS and FP Extensions on the NT box as far as I know. If you're going to use FP (which I happen to like, but will avoid wars over purity of code and the pros and cons of Dreamweaver, et.al.), it is silly not to use the FP extensions. They provide a number of features and can handle the security you need. Give each web creator his/her own subweb and you should be fine. My analysis above is confirmed by your error msg that the server timed out. cheers dan Tuesday, February 05, 2002, 3:02:25 PM, you wrote: KK> "The server "" timed out. The current request did not complete KK> successfully." KK> This NT server does not have IIS (or FP server extensions) installed and is KK> not acting as a web server. But I wouldn't think it should have to. I just KK> want it to store the files. KK> Can anyone provide any insight for me?? Thanks much. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Tue Feb 5 19:06:31 2002 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FrontPage Web on shared server Message-ID: <143620-220022360631859@linc.lib.il.us> I don't believe this is true -- we're sharing access to a FrontPage web that is sitting in a folder on our NT server, and are not hosting the pages as a web site on our server but are publishing them to a remote location. (Incidentally, we do have IIS installed for our Intranet, but not FP extensions, and the FP web is not an active site on the server.) The only difference between what the original poster was doing and us is that we originally created the web in a folder on a shared network drive from a 98 machine rather than the NT server. We are able to access it from 2 other 98 machines in the building with FP installed and I have never seen that particular timeout error when accessing the web internally. We're using FP 2002, but it was originally set up with 2000. I would suggest creating a folder in a shared network drive and making it a web from one of the 98 machines and seeing what happens. - Rachel >To access the FP web as you're wanting to do, you must have IIS and >FP >Extensions on the NT box as far as I know. If you're going to use FP >(which I happen to like, but will avoid wars over purity of code and >the pros and cons of Dreamweaver, et.al.), it is silly not to use the >FP extensions. They provide a number of features and can handle the >security you need. Give each web creator his/her own subweb and you >should be fine. --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 5 20:39:05 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: Cleaning up WORD HTML Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF1@mail1.morrisville.edu> Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 5 20:44:43 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: Cleaning up WORD HTML Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.edu> Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? We are mounting handouts written originally in Word onto our web. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From missplumeau at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 21:22:51 2002 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up WORD HTML In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020205205939.009f1a70@127.0.0.1> "cleanup Word HTML" then in the "code" view, look for suspicious tags (i.e., or class=MsoBodyText) Highlight the guilty tag (careful with the carets!) and copy it Edit > find /replace The text you had highlighted should appear in the top box In the lower box, ("replace with") just type a space Be cautious, and choose to "replace" then "find next" When you are more comfortable, use "replace all" Make sure you also erase the closing tags (i.e. ) Anyone with a simpler solution? Helene At 05:47 PM 2/5/02 -0800, you wrote: >Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the >Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better >than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? >We are mounting handouts written originally in Word onto our web. > > >Wilfred (Bill) Drew >Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >SUNY Morrisville College Library >E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ >Library: http://library.morrisville.edu >Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ >SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Feb 5 21:34:42 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up WORD HTML Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF4@mail1.morrisville.edu> Found an even better solution: 1.Install the Microsoft Office HTML Filter 2.0. from http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/Msohtmf2.aspx 2. Use the Export to Compressed HTML under the file menu. 3. Open in HomeSite and run the HTML Tidy Codesweeper. 4. Save and open in Dreamweaver. 5. Commands: do the Word HTML cleanup 6. Apply my template and save. Works wonders and very quickly. You can see the results at this URL: http://library.morrisville.edu/handouts/HISTORYontheweb.htm Bill Drew From lbspodic at ust.hk Tue Feb 5 21:43:22 2002 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up WORD HTML In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: At 5:46 PM -0800 5/2/2002 [their time], Drew, Bill wrote: >Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the >Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better >than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? >We are mounting handouts written originally in Word onto our web. I have heard several people say that the HTMLTidy program works pretty well. I have not used it, but it sounds like it's worth trying. Its' also available for lots of platforms, and is free. The original web site (http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/) says "Tidy can now perform wonders on HTML saved from Microsoft Word 2000! Word bulks out HTML files with stuff for round-tripping presentation between HTML and Word. If you are more concerned about using HTML on the Web, check out Tidy's "Word-2000" config option! Of course Tidy does a good job on Word'97 files as well!" Current web site: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ -Spode - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 From eric at openly.com Wed Feb 6 00:42:31 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up WORD HTML In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBF2@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: At 5:46 PM -0800 2/5/02, Drew, Bill wrote: >Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the >Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better >than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? >We are mounting handouts written originally in Word onto our web. A cleaner path from word to html (we use this in our journal production process) is to save as RTF (rich text) from word, then use logictran's rtf to html converter. http://www.logictran.com/ Eric -- Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From euan.morton at xrxgsn.com Wed Feb 13 09:28:45 2002 From: euan.morton at xrxgsn.com (Euan Morton) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web-accessible info and library budget reductions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The wonderful Marylaine Block talks about this in her Ex Libris column of a couple of weeks ago: HOW MANY DEGREES OF SEPARATION? http://marylaine.com/exlibris/xlib129.html which ends with this: "Now, you can contact Governor Gary Locke at http://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/contact.htm, but you'll notice that he says he'll only respond to Washington state residents. So the degrees of separation challenge is this: forward this article and the Seattle Times articles to somebody in the state of Washington and ask them to go to the web site and send Governor Locke a message. Quantity might do the trick. But so might quality, because after all, some animals are more equal than others. I know that I'm only two degrees away from Bill Gates, for instance, a citizen of Washington whose views tend to get the attention of politicians. Want to take the challenge?" (On a lighter note here is a link that I meant to post some months ago for the animated superhero librarian thread: 'More good stuff from Down Under: Warrior Librarian Weekly http://www.geocities.com/bibliophist/IMHO/stereo.html') Sl?inte Euan Morton, CIBER @ Xerox Web Developer, Xerox Global Service Net http://www.ciber-roch.com/ "O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us / To see oursels as others see us !" from 'To a Louse, On Seeing one on a Lady's Bonnet at Church' http://www.emule.com/poetry/?page=poem&poem=393 - Robert Burns (1759-96) http://www.robertburns.org/ HP: http://home.rochester.rr.com/acode/ > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Lee Jaffe > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web-accessible info and library budget > reductions? > > > >"The governor's view is that many agencies are accessing most of their > >information online." > > This seems to be a common (mis)conception about online resources, that > the information just gets there magically. There is the notion > that online > access means that there will no longer be any need for "intermediaries" > such as publishers or libraries or journalists. Who do they > think puts the > information online? > > -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz > -- > ================================================================== > Lee David Jaffe Library Computing & Network Services > 168B McHenry Library ldjaffe@cats.ucsc.edu > University of California 831.459.3297 fax: 831.459.8206 > Santa Cruz, California 95064 http://people.ucsc.edu/~ldjaffe > From Linda_Salem at redlands.edu Wed Feb 13 10:54:11 2002 From: Linda_Salem at redlands.edu (Salem, Linda) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: LACASIS UCLA Visualization Portal demo registration closed Message-ID: The LACASIS-sponsored UCLA Visualization Portal demo is filled to capacity and registration is now closed. Due to space limitations, we are not able to accommodate more people at this event but please watch for future LACASIS events. Thank you for supporting LACASIS programs. From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Feb 13 11:10:38 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: One year of live reference service Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5AC7@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> The Ready for Reference service recently celebrated its first anniversary as a collaborative live 24/7 reference service. The service received its first questions on January 31, 2001. The "Ready for Reference" service provides 24/7 interactive reference support to the patrons of eight academic libraries in west central Illinois. These eight libraries include public and private universities and colleges, as well as community colleges. This service is coordinated by the Alliance Library System, and start-up costs were funded by a Library Services and Technology Act (LSTA) grant provided through the Illinois State Library. Librarians from Black Hawk-East College, John Wood Community College, Spoon River College, Eureka College, Bradley University, Illinois State University, Illinois Central College and Quincy University are participating in this service, the first academic consortium to offer live online reference 24/7. When the service is not staffed by librarians from the eight participating institutions, a back-up service, staffed by librarians from LSSI, is available to assist library users. More information on the Alliance Library System may be found at http://www.alliancelibrarysystem.com The Ready for Reference Web site is at: http://www.alliancelibrarysystem.com/Projects/ReadyRef/index.html The final report on the grant funded portion of the project is at: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/~b-sloan/r4r.final.htm Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Feb 13 11:47:09 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web-accessible info and library budget reductions? In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5ABA@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <001001c1b4ae$144240c0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> # I was wondering if anyone knows of other examples where the rationale for # a # library budget reduction proposal has been based, at least in part, on # this # rationale (i.e., people get a lot of their info via the Web). Anecdotally/informally, I've heard this from public library trustees for years. They need to be RE-educated constantly because their heads are filled with misleading information. This also crops up as the rationale for building smaller libraries. In the popular imagination, libraries = books. Speaking of online advertising, I designed a banner ad recently for a local newspaper Web site and the fellow I worked with was surprised we wanted to list it on the news page rather than the books page (even though what we were advertising is entirely Web-based...). He asked me who we were trying to reach, and I kept saying "everyone," which amazed him--a library reaching out to someone other than a bookworm? ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Wed Feb 13 13:18:58 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Preliminary hearing in British Telecom hyperlinks patent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6842525.1013606338@d50h136.public.uconn.edu> --On Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:25 PM -0800 Dawna Turcotte wrote: > FYI: it is US patent #4,873,662 > October 10, 1989 ...and here it is online (beware--this is a long URL): More details of the case, including the original complaint, can be found at: Peter PS: Whoops! I used two 'predetermined unique address[es] by means of which single address that complete block of information can be selected' (a.k.a. URLs) in this message. I guess I owe BT a nickel. -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From kiehl at hawaii.edu Wed Feb 13 13:51:55 2002 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- February 2002 Message-ID: Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- February 2002 The February 2002 edition of Peter's Digital Reference Shelf is now available on the Gale Group website. This month Peter reviews: 1) NBC Olympics - what you always wanted to know about the Winter Olympics and then some, 2) Word Reference Desk - Dorling Kindersley's free database which provides very good country information with superb maps and appealing visualization of statistical data. These in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. His column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/reference.htm See the Archives for databases previously reviewed: Bloomsbury Research Center 50states.com The Top 10 of Everything Xrefer.com PubList Ulrich's International Periodicals Profusion Cultural Profiles Project Columbia World of Quotations Yahoo! Reference Atomica 2.1 DealTime.com Expedia Travelocity CyberAtlas Penguin New English Dictionary ADAM Medical Encyclopedia Comparative Religions on File Adflip Canadian Encyclopedia Online Awesome Library Librarian's Index to the Internet TechEncyclopedia Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary Artcylopedia Sports Rules on File Nolo Law Dictionary Nolo Legal Encyclopedia CIA World Factbook 2000 GuruNet reference suite InteliHealth version of the Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary Columbia Dictionary of Quotations Nobel Prize List Zagat Survey Encyclopaedia of the Orient Bowker's Complete Video Directory Simpson's Contemporary Quotations Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online. New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com Grolier Multimedia Online Encyclopedia version 2 Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technology InfoNation Encarta Interactive World Atlas 2000 This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From srotenbe at solano.cc.ca.us Wed Feb 13 14:17:16 2002 From: srotenbe at solano.cc.ca.us (Sandra Rotenberg) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf. Message-ID: <004c01c1b4c3$0d05c970$460410ac@RM1051> Apparently the URL for Peter's Digital Reference Shelf has changed, the new one is: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/peter/peter.htm Sandra Rotenberg Access Services Librarian Solano Community College 4000 Suisun Valley Road Suisun City, CA 94585 Ph: (707) 864-7243 e-mail: srotenbe@solano.cc.ca.us "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." --Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Feb 13 14:40:39 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: More on the British Telecom hyperlink Patent Case Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020213143434.00a78800@imap.gwu.edu> Hello from D.C. In addition to the links Peter M. just shared with the list here is the complaint British Telecom filed with the U.S. District Court. http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/btelprdgy121300cmp.pdf 6 pages, .pdf, full-image. cheers, gary p.s. An unrelated note. A great, free, real-time EDGAR service is back online! http://www.secinfo.com We've learned that they also make SEDAR (Canadian filings) available. Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From REDWARDS at statelib.wa.gov Wed Feb 13 16:08:54 2002 From: REDWARDS at statelib.wa.gov (RICHARD EDWARDS) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Seemingly simple web FORM help request Message-ID: Greetings, I am trying to create a web page with a form to search our Innovative Interfaces, Inc. catalog for a special purpose outside their normal search pages and I've gotten very close but can't seem to quite get there. What I'm trying to do is create a subject search where the patron inputs the first part of the data and the form itself supplies additional data which I need appended to the patron input and then submitted to the III catalog for searching. The current draft looks like this:
The resulting action, when added to the user input "Milton" creates the URL: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton&%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= which unfortunately comes very close but not quite what III's catalog is looking for. It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a "+" so the URL reads: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= That URL works perfectly fine. Any simple way to achieve this? joyfully, Rich Edwards Innovative Coordinator Washington State Library Olympia, WA redwards@statelib.wa.gov (360)704-7136 "You will be surprised to find how much that has seemed hopelessly disagreeable possesses either an instructive or an amusing side." Ella Wheeler Wilcox in "The Heart of the New Thought" 1902. From gfleming at usc.edu Wed Feb 13 19:17:28 2002 From: gfleming at usc.edu (Greg Fleming) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Meta refresh in IE6 Message-ID: The quick question: Does anyone know if IE6 recognizes the meta-refresh tag and in what circumstances? We recently upgraded one of our machines to IE6 in hopes of correcting some problems. (Didn't work, but that's another story). When given a url such as this: http://www.marshall.usc.edu/library/relocate/abi.html It loads that page and stops rather than redirecting to ABI/Inform. I tried searching the MS Knowledge base but didn't find anything. My guess is that it's because the page itself is not valid HTML, just a comment and a refresh statement, but I haven't tested this with other pages yet. The long background (which I hope will help avoid the Tom Dowling lecture on the evils of meta-refresh rather than server redirection): Someone in applications programming for the school of business hit on the idea of using redirection pages to help track database usage. They had Webtrends installed so they could get nice graphs, etc. The decision on implementation was made well above me so I was dutiful and made my links to the redirection pages rather than the databases themselves. Should be easy enough to fix, except the school recently implemented the EmPower web content system and I don't have write permission on the pages themselves. IE 5.5 is still the standard on public PCs but if these links are going to break when the upgrade comes, I need to either start fixing a bunch of pages or convince the web manager that he needs to change some things. Any insights are welcome. Greg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Greg Fleming Crocker Business Library Marshall School of Business University of Southern California 213-740-9167 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From DJones at scu.edu Wed Feb 13 19:29:43 2002 From: DJones at scu.edu (David Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Seemingly simple web FORM help request Message-ID: >>> "RICHARD EDWARDS" 02/13/02 01:17PM >>> It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a "+" so the URL reads: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= <<< Richard, The ampersand shows up because that is the way that html forms work. All input value pairs are separated by an ampersand. There is no built-in way to get rid of those. Also, drop the punctuation marks from the search. The innopac is searching the index not the record and the punctuation doesn't make it into the index. You could always put in the init value of " wash newspapers" and have the form say "add your town to the beginning, do not delete the wash newspapers!": There are a couple of other things that you could do: 1) Have the search form on another server that has a script that reconstructs the URI prior to sending it to the innopac. 2) Have lists of available towns that point at preconstructed URIs that search the innopac. This would require either an external script or javascript to process. You would also have to maintain the list if you added towns in the future. 3) Use a form that submits a false limit to the innopac to produce a URI similar to: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search/wwash+newspapers/wwash+newspapers/1,10000,10000,E/limit?NAME=S&VALUE=milton A form that could create this:
This will not work if you add more than 10000 records with the"wash newspapers" subheading. Can't see that happening, though, and by then, I'm sure we'll all be running a new version of the innopac search engine... It's also a little slow, but heah, it works... HTH, =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ David Jones Library Systems Manager III Orradre Library mailto:djones@scu.edu phone: 408-551-7167 fax: 408-551-1805 http://www.scu.edu/library/ Santa Clara University 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara CA 95053-0500 "Insert pithy quote here" From scp_sulli at sals.edu Wed Feb 13 19:30:30 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Meta refresh in IE6 Message-ID: <020213193030.342e@sals.edu> >Does anyone know if IE6 recognizes the meta-refresh tag and in what >circumstances? We recently upgraded one of our machines to IE6 in hopes of >correcting some problems. Yes, it does (just tested to be sure I hadn't missed something). I have a few redirection pages and they are validated, doctype and all. I don't know if that makes any difference. What were the problems you thought an upgrade would cure? Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Feb 14 08:32:09 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: This Week in ResearchBuzz #169 -- February 14, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214083203.01f57170@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, Following are the headlines from this week's ResearchBuzz, issue #169 -- http://www.researchbuzz.com . The links beneath each headline lead directly to the article. * AltaVista Moves from Default OR to Default AND http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#altavistamoves * Wright Brothers Photographs Online http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#wrightbrothers * Reader Request -- Cemetery Shelters http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#readerrequest * Life Magazine Covers http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#lifemagazine * Reader Response: Teak http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#readerresponse * Cuban Heritage Collection Adds Four Collections to Its Site http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#cubanheritage * lii.org Offers Special Edition for Black History Month http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#liiorgoffers * Canadian Universities Get Grant for Online Database http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#canadianuniversities * Record of Officers and Men of New Jersey in the Civil War http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb07feb1302.html#recordof From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Thu Feb 14 10:23:43 2002 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2529 In-Reply-To: <200202140046.QAA10539@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4.1.20020214101239.00c5f1f0@mail.wittenberg.edu> > > It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a > "+" so the URL reads: > http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= > That URL works perfectly fine. > Any simple way to achieve this? my preferred way of doing this sort of thing is to replace all strings of 1 or more non-word characters with a + in perl: $search = s/[^0-9a-zA-Z]+/\+/g; in PHP $search = preg_replace("/[^0-9a-zA-Z]+/","+",$search); => $url = "http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=$search"; I hope this helps, Ken Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From betdavis at indiana.edu Thu Feb 14 10:36:09 2002 From: betdavis at indiana.edu (Davis, Betty Jean) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: Posting Message-ID: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA0A50B7D0@delaware.exchange.indiana.edu> INDIANA UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES BLOOMINGTON METADATA LIBRARIAN REVISED POSTING The Indiana University Bloomington Libraries are seeking an innovative and dynamic individual to lead the Libraries in the analysis and use of metadata and to contribute to the Libraries' traditional and non-traditional efforts to improve access to all information resources. The Indiana University Bloomington Libraries are one of the leading academic research library systems in North America, providing strong collections, quality service and instructional programs, and leadership in the application of information technologies. The Digital Library Program at Indiana University has created more than 300,000 digital objects to date in many formats, including electronic text, digital images, and sound. In addition, the Libraries are rapidly expanding their commercially produced digital collections. Responsibilities: Reports to the Associate Dean & Director of Technical Services and works closely with a variety of constituents within the library system to determine appropriate methods of providing access to information resources. Advises on the application of metadata schema for digital objects and assists in defining Digital Library Program and other digital project parameters. Provides descriptive, administrative, and structural metadata needed to support the Libraries' expanding digital collections and may also work with traditional MARC cataloging. Participates in the translation of metadata between formats and its integration from a variety of sources. Stays abreast of national metadata initiatives and participates in library committees, communicating with relevant selectors, curators, subject specialists regarding metadata in digital libraries. Qualifications: Required: ALA-accredited degree in library or information science or equivalent combination of degrees and experience. Knowledge of the concepts and applications used in the standards and practices of organizing information. In addition to MARC, experience with one or more of the following metadata standards: EAD, TEI, VRA Core, Dublin Core, RDF, CIDOC, or others. Experience with creation and/or management of digital objects in various text, image, sound, and/or video formats. Ability to work independently as well as collegially in a complex, rapidly changing and culturally diverse environment with various groups of library staff. Excellent written and oral communication skills. Ability to plan, coordinate, and implement projects. Good organization skills and an aptitude for complex analytical and detailed work. Ability to meet the requirements of a tenured-track appointment. Preferred: experience in one or more of these areas: experience with SGML and/or XML. Experience with computer programming languages particularly Perl and Java. Experience with multiple computer platforms including Linux, UNIX, Windows, and MacOS. Experience in applying for or managing grant proposals. Salary and Benefits: Salary and rank are negotiable and competitive dependent upon qualifications and experience. This is a tenure-track academic appointment that includes eligibility for sabbatical leaves. Benefits include a university health care plan, TIAA/CREF retirement/annuity plan, group life insurance, and liberal vacation and sick leave. To Apply: Review of applications will begin on March 15, 2002. The position will remain open until filled. Send letter of application, professional vita, and the names, addresses, and phone numbers of four references to: Yolanda Cooper-Birdine, Libraries Human Resources Officer, Indiana University Libraries, Main Library 201A, Bloomington, IN 47405, (812) 855-8196; Fax: (812) 855-2576; e-mail: ycooperb@indiana.edu . For further information concerning Indiana University: , or employment opportunities at the IUB Libraries: . Indiana University is strongly committed to achieving excellence through cultural diversity. The university actively encourages applications and nominations of women, persons of color, applicants with disabilities, and members of other underrepresented groups. Indiana University is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. Betty Davis Libraries Human Resources Main Library 201A Indiana University Bloomington, IN 47405 (812) 855-8196 From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Feb 14 10:58:45 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Seemingly simple web FORM help request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a little JavaScript that will do the trick:
Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of RICHARD EDWARDS Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Seemingly simple web FORM help request Greetings, I am trying to create a web page with a form to search our Innovative Interfaces, Inc. catalog for a special purpose outside their normal search pages and I've gotten very close but can't seem to quite get there. What I'm trying to do is create a subject search where the patron inputs the first part of the data and the form itself supplies additional data which I need appended to the patron input and then submitted to the III catalog for searching. The current draft looks like this:
The resulting action, when added to the user input "Milton" creates the URL: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton&%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers = which unfortunately comes very close but not quite what III's catalog is looking for. It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a "+" so the URL reads: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers = That URL works perfectly fine. Any simple way to achieve this? joyfully, Rich Edwards Innovative Coordinator Washington State Library Olympia, WA redwards@statelib.wa.gov (360)704-7136 "You will be surprised to find how much that has seemed hopelessly disagreeable possesses either an instructive or an amusing side." Ella Wheeler Wilcox in "The Heart of the New Thought" 1902. From gfleming at usc.edu Thu Feb 14 12:06:51 2002 From: gfleming at usc.edu (Greg Fleming) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Meta refresh in IE6 In-Reply-To: <020213193030.342e@sals.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Robert Sullivan wrote: > >Does anyone know if IE6 recognizes the meta-refresh tag and in what > >circumstances? We recently upgraded one of our machines to IE6 in hopes of > >correcting some problems. > > Yes, it does (just tested to be sure I hadn't missed something). I have a few > redirection pages and they are validated, doctype and all. I don't know if > that makes any difference. > > What were the problems you thought an upgrade would cure? > > Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org > Thanks to everyone who checked my page and told me it works with their version of IE 6. We had upgraded this machine to IE 6 because some .dlls seemed to be corrupt and hoped the upgrade might fix things rather than the reinstall of Windows that seems to be in order now. The sad thing is that the people who implemented the tracking are all gone now and I don't think anyone's paying attention anymore. I'll probably change everything to direct links when I have the time as the design firm that did the site made all links that are external to the *.marshall.usc.edu domain in the form of javascript:newWindow which has bothered me from the get go. Thanks again, Greg From tgillis at eou.edu Thu Feb 14 12:53:04 2002 From: tgillis at eou.edu (Theresa Gillis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: Online Northwest: earlybird registration through 2/15/02 References: <112569874706.20020214010849@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3C6BF980.B5C3A481@eou.edu> From: Theresa Gillis Online Northwest March 1, 2002 EARLY REGISTRATION FEE EXTENDED THROUGH FEB 15 2002 There is still time to register at the earlybird rate for the 19th annual Online Northwest Conference March 1 in Eugene! WHAT IS ONLINE NORTHWEST?: A one-day conference focusing on the innovative use of technology within libraries. WHEN IS THE CONFERENCE?: Friday, March 1, 2002 (this will be the 19th annual conference). WHERE IS THE CONFERENCE?: Hilton Hotel, Eugene, Oregon. WHO IS THIS YEAR"S KEYNOTE SPEAKER? Mike Eisenberg, Dean of the Information School, University of Washington WHAT TOPICS WILL BE PRESENTED? The main (broad-definition) program tracks are: cutting edge technologies; applications of technologies; technology in user services; web design and development. A sample of this year's sessions includes: Information Literacy and Cyber Literacy Promoting E-Literacy @ Your Library Digitizing on the Fast Track Instructional Design for Online Modules: Models, Tips and Tricks Organizing Ready Reference and Administrative Information with the Reference Desk Manager Creating Web Portals for a Multi-type Library System Web Sites for Business Adapting TILT: Implementing the Texas Information Literacy Tutorial A full listing of programs is available at http://www.ous.edu/onlinenw/index.shtml WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR REGISTRATION? Earlybird registration available through 2/15/02: $90 After 2/15/02: $110 HOW DO I REGISTER?: Register by mail or use the online submission form at: http://www.ous.edu/onlinenw/ QUESTIONS? Contact Theresa Gillis Eastern Oregon University La Grande, OR 97850 tgillis@eou.edu 541-962-3605 From just at hsc.usc.edu Thu Feb 14 13:45:41 2002 From: just at hsc.usc.edu (Melissa Just) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: Searching E-Resources Message-ID: Our library is in the process of re-thinking how we present our extensive list of e-resources. We are transitioning from static to dynamic pages and will be using ColdFusion. What we would like to do is provide "guided" searching in the form of three boxes/columns/levels of searching. For example (and this is generalized, the details haven't been worked out yet): Column 1: A pull-down menu of options that separate resources by main category (for us this might be Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Allied Health) Column 2: A check box list of option by format including e-journals, e-books, web sites, etc. Columm 3: An option to enter a keyword to limit the search So, a nursing student could choose to an option in column 1 only to view all nursing resources, or limit the search in column 2 to look at a list of all nursing e-journals, or really limit the search by adding her own keyword "pediatrics" in column 3 and get nursing e-journals on pediatrics. Does anyone know of sites (library or non-library) that are already doing this to some degree? We are interested in seeing what's already out there so that we don't have to completely re-invent the wheel. Or, are there sites that you know of that use interesting methods for database-driven e-resource searching? Thanks for any examples you can provide! -Melissa Melissa L. Just, MLIS Information Specialist Norris Medical Library University of Southern California just@usc.edu From strubsa at bu.edu Thu Feb 14 14:13:03 2002 From: strubsa at bu.edu (Sarah Struble) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Searching E-Resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Melissa, It's not exactly what you're looking for, but MIT's VERA has some of those features. http://river.mit.edu/mitlibweb/ **************************** Sarah Struble Health Sciences Bibliographer & Hospitality Administration Bibliographer Mugar Memorial Library Boston University Boston, MA 02215 strubsa@bu.edu phone 617.353.3714 fax 617.353.2084 **************************** On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Melissa Just wrote: > > > Our library is in the process of re-thinking how we present our extensive > list of e-resources. We are transitioning from static to dynamic pages > and will be using ColdFusion. > > What we would like to do is provide "guided" searching in the form of > three boxes/columns/levels of searching. > > For example (and this is generalized, the details haven't been worked out > yet): > > Column 1: A pull-down menu of options that separate resources by main > category (for us this might be Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Allied Health) > > Column 2: A check box list of option by format including e-journals, > e-books, web sites, etc. > > Columm 3: An option to enter a keyword to limit the search > > So, a nursing student could choose to an option in column 1 only to view > all nursing resources, or limit the search in column 2 to look at a list > of all nursing e-journals, or really limit the search by adding her own > keyword "pediatrics" in column 3 and get nursing e-journals on pediatrics. > > Does anyone know of sites (library or non-library) that are already doing > this to some degree? We are interested in seeing what's already out there > so that we don't have to completely re-invent the wheel. Or, are there > sites that you know of that use interesting methods for database-driven > e-resource searching? > > Thanks for any examples you can provide! > -Melissa > > > Melissa L. Just, MLIS > Information Specialist > Norris Medical Library > University of Southern California > just@usc.edu > > > > > From RKALABUS at wwcc.cc.wy.us Thu Feb 14 14:17:59 2002 From: RKALABUS at wwcc.cc.wy.us (Robert Kalabus) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: Library Websites for Usability Study Needed Message-ID: <6CA106E86E1BD3119C6D00C00D00977D0E34B9B2@sage.wwcc.cc.wy.us> Web4lib'ers: At WWCC a faculty member has offered to do a usability study on the library website. He is on sabbatical this spring and has to complete the study as an assignment for an online class in which he is enrolled. We are developing a list of things that we want to find out about how students use our website: what works well and what doesn't work so well. It will be a formal study involving a selected group of students and audiovisual equipment will be used to capture facial expressions, gestures, vocalizations, computer screen shots, etc.. It should be pretty interesting. Our website is set up so that just about everything is available off the main page. This has advantages and disadvantages which could probably be argued about forever. We would like to give the student guinea pigs some alternative library websites -- different in style/format from ours -- to look at and compare with our own as part of the study. We especially want to compare our site with another library's site that has a simpler kind of structure: presenting less information and choices to users at one time. If you think your library website would be a good one to use in our study (because it is different or better(?) than ours), please send me the address. Of course we would share our results with you. Thank you. Robert Kalabus Hay Library Western Wyoming Community College Rock Springs WY 82902-0428 rkalabus@wwcc.cc.wy.us http://www.wwcc.cc.wy.us/library/ (The WWCC IT staff are having some problems with the college website today (Feb 14) so this link might not be working temporarily.) From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Feb 14 14:19:30 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: FYI - Zope Articles -Introducing Zope and Zope Products Message-ID: In Linux Journal, February 2002 Issue 94, is a good article 'Introducing Zope' on page 20. From that article: Experienced developers can move easily from Perl to PHP to ASP because the concepts translate from one language to another with only minor variations. ...we begin to explore Zope as a web development platform. Along the way, I hope it becomes obvious that while Zope is different from other environments, its elegance and power make it a strong contender for open-source enthusiasts. And the March 2002 Issue 95 continues with an article on page 14 'Zope Products'. "A Zope product is a package of code, graphics and DTML that provides a piece of reusable functionality." Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From babbot at lsuhsc.edu Thu Feb 14 14:33:18 2002 From: babbot at lsuhsc.edu (Abbott, Bruce) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Searching E-Resources Message-ID: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABBB61A3D@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> My personal favorite is Boxmind: http://www.boxmind.com. However, whenever I've recommended it as a model, I've found people say it is not intuitive for them to use. Bruce Abbott Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 504-568-7718 (fax) 504-568-6103 (voice) babbot@lsuhsc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Just [mailto:just@hsc.usc.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Searching E-Resources Our library is in the process of re-thinking how we present our extensive list of e-resources. We are transitioning from static to dynamic pages and will be using ColdFusion. What we would like to do is provide "guided" searching in the form of three boxes/columns/levels of searching. For example (and this is generalized, the details haven't been worked out yet): Column 1: A pull-down menu of options that separate resources by main category (for us this might be Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Allied Health) Column 2: A check box list of option by format including e-journals, e-books, web sites, etc. Columm 3: An option to enter a keyword to limit the search So, a nursing student could choose to an option in column 1 only to view all nursing resources, or limit the search in column 2 to look at a list of all nursing e-journals, or really limit the search by adding her own keyword "pediatrics" in column 3 and get nursing e-journals on pediatrics. Does anyone know of sites (library or non-library) that are already doing this to some degree? We are interested in seeing what's already out there so that we don't have to completely re-invent the wheel. Or, are there sites that you know of that use interesting methods for database-driven e-resource searching? Thanks for any examples you can provide! -Melissa Melissa L. Just, MLIS Information Specialist Norris Medical Library University of Southern California just@usc.edu From jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us Thu Feb 14 16:05:59 2002 From: jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us (Jeff Burns) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Seemingly simple web FORM help request Message-ID: Check this out. Very customizable. I think this is what your looking for. http://www.noblenet.org/swapshop/snark.htm I used a modified version of this script with frames. Here's more helpful scripts: http://www.noblenet.org/swapshop/ ********************************************************** >>> "RICHARD EDWARDS" 02/13/02 03:15PM >>> Greetings, I am trying to create a web page with a form to search our Innovative Interfaces, Inc. catalog for a special purpose outside their normal search pages and I've gotten very close but can't seem to quite get there. What I'm trying to do is create a subject search where the patron inputs the first part of the data and the form itself supplies additional data which I need appended to the patron input and then submitted to the III catalog for searching. The current draft looks like this: The resulting action, when added to the user input "Milton" creates the URL: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton&%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= which unfortunately comes very close but not quite what III's catalog is looking for. It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a "+" so the URL reads: http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= That URL works perfectly fine. Any simple way to achieve this? joyfully, Rich Edwards Innovative Coordinator Washington State Library Olympia, WA redwards@statelib.wa.gov (360)704-7136 "You will be surprised to find how much that has seemed hopelessly disagreeable possesses either an instructive or an amusing side." Ella Wheeler Wilcox in "The Heart of the New Thought" 1902. From carver.50 at osu.edu Thu Feb 14 16:13:24 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: Netsurfer Subscriptions for Libraries Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214161137.02a17618@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> I just found out Netsurfer offers free subscriptions to their website and e-zines to public and academic libraries. They say "This offer is for institutions, not simply for individuals who happen to work in a library. The intent is to allow libraries to offer access to Netsurfer content from their public Internet access terminals, and to allow access to their staff at work." More info: http://www.netsurf.com/libs_info.html ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries carver.50@osu.edu See Also: http://www.lisnews.com From boots at email.unc.edu Thu Feb 14 20:38:33 2002 From: boots at email.unc.edu (Wanda K. Gunther) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:11 2005 Subject: digital libraries and xml Message-ID: <1013737113.3c6c6699298e9@webmail0.isis.unc.edu> Hello, This is being posted to several listservs. Please forgive any duplications. We are Information Science students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. My project partner and I are doing a Current Issues project for our Database II course on the impact of XML on Digital Libraries. Please take a moment to respond to the following questions before 2/21. 1) Is your Digital Library stored in a database such as Access, SQL, or Oracle (please name the database used)? 2) What format is used for your public access pages (HTML, SGML, XML)? 3) If you are not using XML, have you looked into using it for your digital library? 4) If you have looked into XML, do you think that XML is the future for databases (i.e. will it solve current problems such as search engines and indexing of the site)? Thanks so much for your time. Wanda Gunther and Abby Auman Wanda K. Gunther Database Management & Electronic Documents Cataloging Assistant Library Technical Assistant Catalog Management Section Cataloging Dept. / Davis Library University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27514 boots@email.unc.edu (919) 962-0171 From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Fri Feb 15 07:41:19 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Seemingly simple web FORM help request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020215073801.00cc1348@pop.cwru.edu> It requires an onsubmit event handler in the tag. The function you will write should access the document.[formname].[fieldname].value, modify it, and return true. A return value of false will cause your form to not submit. I use similar methods to perform client side validation. Note: This method will only work if the client processes client-side scripts. Keith At 04:16 PM 2/14/2002, Jeff Burns wrote: >Check this out. Very customizable. I think this is what your looking for. >http://www.noblenet.org/swapshop/snark.htm > >I used a modified version of this script with frames. > >Here's more helpful scripts: >http://www.noblenet.org/swapshop/ > >********************************************************** > > >>> "RICHARD EDWARDS" 02/13/02 03:15PM >>> >Greetings, > >I am trying to create a web page with a form to search our Innovative >Interfaces, Inc. catalog for a special purpose outside their normal search >pages and I've gotten very close but can't seem to quite get there. > >What I'm trying to do is create a subject search where the patron inputs >the first part of the data and the form itself supplies additional data >which I need appended to the patron input and then submitted to the III >catalog for searching. > >The current draft looks like this: > > > > > > > >The resulting action, when added to the user input "Milton" creates the URL: >http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton&%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= >which unfortunately comes very close but not quite what III's catalog is >looking for. > >It breaks down at the "&" between the input values. What I need there is a >"+" so the URL reads: >http://cals.evergreen.edu/search~s2/d?SEARCH=Milton+%28WASH%29+--+Newspapers= > >That URL works perfectly fine. > >Any simple way to achieve this? > >joyfully, > >Rich Edwards >Innovative Coordinator >Washington State Library >Olympia, WA >redwards@statelib.wa.gov >(360)704-7136 > >"You will be surprised to find how much that has seemed hopelessly >disagreeable possesses either an instructive or an amusing side." Ella >Wheeler Wilcox in "The Heart of the New Thought" 1902. D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." 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From dshapiro at slis.wisc.edu Fri Feb 15 10:25:40 2002 From: dshapiro at slis.wisc.edu (Debra Shapiro) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: XML workshop in Madison WI In-Reply-To: <200202150045.QAA25452@webjunction.org> References: <200202150045.QAA25452@webjunction.org> Message-ID: XML for Libraries: Potentials, Pleasures, and Pitfalls http://www.slis.wisc.edu/academic/ces/XML.html Date: March 7-8, 2002 Time: 9:00 am - 4:30 pm Location: The Pyle Center, UW-Madison Fee: $349 Registration deadline: February 20 CEUs: 1.5 This 2-day course is designed for librarians who have heard of XML and want to learn how the technology can be put to work in a library. What are the advantages of creating malleable electronic texts? Various output options, such as web use, ebooks, and PDAs will be discussed. Course outline: Day 1 A plain-English guide to HTML/SGML/XML; DTDs and stylesheets; structural markup and parsing An up-close look at the Text Encoding Initiative tagset in action. How does XML data work in a library? How does tagging and metadata get done? What are the range of possibilities for using the resulting files? Day 2 A practical "hands-on" session, applying what was learned in Day One to add XML tags to some sample documents, and to look at tools for markup, display, and conversion of XML texts Build Once/Use Many: XML source files and the output options, including web use; ebooks; Palm Pilot; WAP; PDF; and Print On Demand Course instructor: David Seaman is the founding director of the Electronic Text Center at the University of Virginia. This internationally-known Internet library service pursues twin missions with equal seriousness of purpose: to build a standards-based online collection and to build and maintain a user community adept at the creation and use of these items. To register: Please print this form and mail to Pyle Center Registration Office, Dept. 102, 702 Langdon Street, Madison WI 53706-1487 USA, OR Fax (608) 265-3163 or 800-741-7416 OR Call (608) 262-7942 (Faxes and phone registrations must include payments by credit card or purchase order) XML for Libraries registration form Library Information Studies Registration Form UW# L82 Please enroll me in: XML for Libraries March 7-8 2002 (2020) Fee: US $349 Name_____________________________________________ Address____________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Phone_____________________________________________ email________________________________________ Please enclose a check for the course fee payable to UW-Madison OR charge to the following account Visa__ MasterCard___ American Express___ Purchase Order__________ Card (or P.O. Number)__________________________ Expiration date___________________________ Cardholder's name__________________________ (NOTE to students outside the U.S: If you prefer to pay via bank transfer please email Jane Pearlmutter, jpearl@slis.wisc.edu for more information) -- dshapiro@slis.wisc.edu Debra Shapiro Continuing Education Services UW-Madison SLIS 4282 Helen C. White Hall Madison WI 53706 608 262 9195 FAX 608 263 4849 From Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu Fri Feb 15 10:46:56 2002 From: Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu (VanderHart, Robert) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: TEXTAREA rendering Message-ID: Good morning, I'm developing a web form so our staff members can author meeting minute. The form consists of several TEXTAREA elements for individual paragraphs. When the form is submitted, the rendered minutes appear on the next screen. You can see the form at http://library.umassmed.edu/~rvanderh/minutemanager.cfm. I would like to have one large TEXTAREA element for the "body" of the minutes, so that when you press Enter the equivalent of the BR element is inserted. Right now when you press Enter in the TEXTAREA it's ignored and does not render, so I have to use the much-less elegant method of a separate TEXTAREA for each paragraph. Since I don't want to require our staff to know any HTML to use this form, such as typing BR or P to make a new paragraph, I'm wondering if there is any way to make paragraphs render from a single TEXTAREA? Robert J. Vander Hart Electronic Resources Librarian The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From msauers at bcr.org Fri Feb 15 11:29:45 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I would like to have one large TEXTAREA element for the "body" of the > minutes, so that when you press Enter the equivalent of the BR element is > inserted. You need to add a wrap="" attribute to your textarea. There are several values to choose from. Find them at http://www.response-o-matic.com/textareatag.htm. Sounds like you want: wrap="hard" This adds hard return characters at the end of each line in the text box. When "WRAP="Physical" doesn't work, try this one. Sorry, no way in the markup to change and enter key into a line-break but this gets you close without having to manipulate the processing script. ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From posborne at mercycorps.org Fri Feb 15 11:47:43 2002 From: posborne at mercycorps.org (Pam Osborne) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: Converting files to PDF and batch combining Message-ID: > I am building a digital library with documents from our organization, > including a lot of formal proposals and reports. The proposals consist of > about 12 separate files, some in Word and some in Excel, that I want to > put into a PDF format and then combine into a single PDF bookmarked > document. I have a lot of these to do and am interested in making it as > automatic a process as possible. > > Yesterday I took 12 files belonging to the same proposal, converted them > one at a time via Excel and Word, and then combined them one at a time > using Insert >Document; but the Excel file formatting was bad in several > of the files and the bookmarks needed a lot of editing. I found a > shareware utility that did a very nice job converting the Excel files, but > couldn't process a simple cover letter from Word. Does anyone have any > hints for getting fewer conversion errors and speeding up this process? > > I know I can combine PDF files by dragging and dropping from Windows > Explorer to Acrobat; however, without renaming the files first, I have to > drag and drop them one at a time because they don't show in a list in the > order that I want them in. Does anyone know any tricks to make this > process go faster? > > Pam Osborne, Digital Librarian > Mercy Corps > 3015 SW First Avenue > Portland, Oregon 97201 > 503-471-2494 503-796-6843(fax) > posborne@mercycorps.org > > From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Feb 15 11:45:54 2002 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: Public Web Browser Message-ID: <000501c1b640$3cae42a0$f9935fa5@tamut.edu> I have just installed PWB for our card catalog computers. I have it configured so nobody can shut it down. Unfortunately, this includes staff as well! Is there a backdoor to shut it down. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu Fri Feb 15 11:50:28 2002 From: Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu (VanderHart, Robert) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering Message-ID: Michael, I thought the WRAP attribute was no longer in the latest HTML spec, even though it does seem to work within the TEXTAREA. But WRAP still doesn't address my question of getting the CR/LF to be rendered once the Submit button is clicked. I will be looking further into Alfred's suggestion of the ColdFusion ParagraphFormat function. Thanks for your reply. Robert Robert J. Vander Hart Electronic Resources Librarian The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sauers [mailto:msauers@bcr.org] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:30 AM To: VanderHart, Robert; Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering > I would like to have one large TEXTAREA element for the "body" of the > minutes, so that when you press Enter the equivalent of the BR element is > inserted. You need to add a wrap="" attribute to your textarea. There are several values to choose from. Find them at http://www.response-o-matic.com/textareatag.htm. Sounds like you want: wrap="hard" This adds hard return characters at the end of each line in the text box. When "WRAP="Physical" doesn't work, try this one. Sorry, no way in the markup to change and enter key into a line-break but this gets you close without having to manipulate the processing script. ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From louisl at uhls.lib.ny.us Fri Feb 15 12:16:31 2002 From: louisl at uhls.lib.ny.us (Laurie Louis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Public Web Browser References: <000501c1b640$3cae42a0$f9935fa5@tamut.edu> Message-ID: <3C6D426F.2C6124D3@uhls.lib.ny.us> I'm testing PWB with one of our OPACs on Win98 w/Fortres 4.1 & also ran into same issue. This is how I have it set up: DisableExit=False DisableExitTitle=Warning DisableExitMessage=Operation Canceled DisableNewBrowser=True ClearCacheOnClose=True ClearCacheOnHome=False Kiosk=True DisableExitOverride=closed KioskOverride=exit LogOffNTOverride=logoff ShutDownWin9xOverride=shutdown Staff can use Ctrl+Alt+Del to get into Task Manager (a setting in Fortres)and close the PWB if needed. I've also discovered that this will allow the wiley user to close PWB screen by choosing End Session in the catalog, but this hasn't been an issue (yet) Laurie Louis, A+, Network+ Computer Support Specialist Albany Public Library 161 Washington Avenue Albany, N.Y. 12210 518.427.4341 518.449.3386 (fax) louisl@uhls.lib.ny.us http://www.albanypubliclibrary.org/ Arthur Christy wrote: > > I have just installed PWB for our card catalog computers. I have it > configured so nobody can shut it down. Unfortunately, this includes staff > as well! Is there a backdoor to shut it down. > > Arthur Christy > Texas A&M University Texarkana > Library Datacenter > 1024 Tucker Street > Texarkana, TX 75505 > 903-223-3159 -- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Feb 15 12:26:10 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: TEXTAREA rendering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020215121142.02287180@ohiolink.edu> At 12:00 PM 2/15/2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: >Michael, > >I thought the WRAP attribute was no longer in the latest HTML spec, even >though it does seem to work within the TEXTAREA. But WRAP still doesn't >address my question of getting the CR/LF to be rendered once the Submit >button is clicked. > >I will be looking further into Alfred's suggestion of the ColdFusion >ParagraphFormat function. > >Thanks for your reply. > >Robert The wrap attribute has never been part of a formal HTML spec. While it is widely supported, it only addresses which line breaks in the textarea get sent to the server as carriage returns/line feeds and which get sent as spaces. But spaces and CRLFs are both just white space to HTML, so if your script simply turns the content around and spits it out in an HTML page, the results will look the same regardless of the wrap attribute. Whatever the server-side technology, you need it to look for blank lines and substitute the appropriate markup. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Fri Feb 15 12:32:48 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: Netscape registry error Message-ID: <3C6CFFF0.16357.96E293C@localhost> I`m having a problem using Netscape 4.7 on a Windows 2000 machine. When I login with admin rights it works just fine, but when logging in with only User rights I get the following error message (which seems not to disturb Communicator`s functionality) "Failed to update the system registry. Please try using REGEDIT" I've given full rights to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Netscape keys for all user logins, but this doesn't solve the problem. Apparently it is trying to write to some other registry key as well. Does anyone have a fix for this? Thanks, Bill Teschek Assistant Director Lane Memorial Library 2 Academy Ave. Hampton, NH 03842 bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us (603)-926-3368 (603)-926-1348 (fax) http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us From bennetttm at appstate.edu Fri Feb 15 12:43:57 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not having used Cold Fusion, can you run the form data for that form element through a script before it goes into the database to do a search and replace. I do this in Zope to escape the ' and change it to \' because the data terminates at the first apostrophe it finds, if any, when it goes into the database. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of VanderHart, Robert Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering Good morning, I'm developing a web form so our staff members can author meeting minute. The form consists of several TEXTAREA elements for individual paragraphs. When the form is submitted, the rendered minutes appear on the next screen. You can see the form at http://library.umassmed.edu/~rvanderh/minutemanager.cfm. I would like to have one large TEXTAREA element for the "body" of the minutes, so that when you press Enter the equivalent of the BR element is inserted. Right now when you press Enter in the TEXTAREA it's ignored and does not render, so I have to use the much-less elegant method of a separate TEXTAREA for each paragraph. Since I don't want to require our staff to know any HTML to use this form, such as typing BR or P to make a new paragraph, I'm wondering if there is any way to make paragraphs render from a single TEXTAREA? Robert J. Vander Hart Electronic Resources Librarian The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From hubbardj at gml.lib.uwm.edu Fri Feb 15 13:01:53 2002 From: hubbardj at gml.lib.uwm.edu (John Hubbard) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape registry error Message-ID: Sure, just log everyone in as admin. :) This page describes how to give users permissions to those keys: http://duke.usask.ca/~uhl/netscape/ - John John Hubbard Electronic Resources Librarian University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 414-229-5045 >>> "Bill Teschek" 02/15/02 11:41AM >>> I`m having a problem using Netscape 4.7 on a Windows 2000 machine. When I login with admin rights it works just fine, but when logging in with only User rights I get the following error message (which seems not to disturb Communicator`s functionality) "Failed to update the system registry. Please try using REGEDIT" I've given full rights to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Netscape keys for all user logins, but this doesn't solve the problem. Apparently it is trying to write to some other registry key as well. Does anyone have a fix for this? Thanks, Bill Teschek Assistant Director Lane Memorial Library 2 Academy Ave. Hampton, NH 03842 bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us (603)-926-3368 (603)-926-1348 (fax) http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us From king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us Fri Feb 15 13:10:50 2002 From: king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape registry error In-Reply-To: <3C6CFFF0.16357.96E293C@localhost> Message-ID: Bill, I too have had this problem. I know of one fix, but you may not want to use it: make the user a local "power user". Another thing to try is (if you are using NTFS) change permissions on the nsreg.dat file so that your user has "change" permission. If you find a better way, please let me know :) Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Bill Teschek wrote: > I`m having a problem using Netscape 4.7 on a Windows 2000 > machine. When I login with admin rights it works just fine, > but when logging in with only User rights I get the following > error message (which seems not to disturb Communicator`s > functionality) "Failed to update the system registry. Please try > using REGEDIT" I've given full rights to the > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Netscape keys for > all user logins, but this doesn't solve the problem. Apparently > it is trying to write to some other registry key as well. Does > anyone have a fix for this? > Thanks, > Bill Teschek > Assistant Director > Lane Memorial Library > 2 Academy Ave. > Hampton, NH 03842 > bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us > (603)-926-3368 > (603)-926-1348 (fax) > http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us > > > > From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Fri Feb 15 18:55:33 2002 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:12 2005 Subject: Scanner recommendations sought Message-ID: <3C6D9FF5.278151CF@manhattan.edu> I would like to get a scanner that can be used as a flatbed scanner but which also allows multi-page feeding of documents. This would be used primarily for our online reserves and most scanning we do for that is printed (and a few hand-written) documents, almost all in black/white. Anyone have one they're happy with? I'm having trouble finding many (okay, ANY) with a quick google and google.groups search. I'm probably not using the right term for the multi-page feeder, and I'm getting a bit frustrated. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries Riverdale, NY 10471 http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From cchick at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 07:24:21 2002 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy L. Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:13 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - February 15, 2002 Message-ID: <002a01c1b6e4$dced4320$30acd9cf@CindysComputer> LLRX.com - Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick, Editors New on LLRX.com for February 15, 2002 http://www.llrx.com ----------------------------------------------------------- **KM and the Law: The Verdict Is In http://www.llrx.com/features/kmlaw.htm The legal community can significantly benefit from the effective choice and implementation of knowledge management applications. Judith Lamontreviews practice specific KM success stories, and highlights presentation software for trials. **Revised Guide to International Trade Law Sources on the Internet http://www.llrx.com/features/trade3.htm Marci Hoffman's extensive resource guides us through the complexities of laws, regulations, restrictions and special arrangements that govern international trade. **The USA PATRIOT Act and Patron Privacy on Library Internet Terminals http://www.llrx.com/features/usapatriotact.htm Mary Minow answers important questions about how this act impacts libraries providing Internet access to the public. Mary also provides a valuable bibiliography of related materials. **Librarians and Technology: An Interview with Julie Bozzell http://www.llrx.com/features/bozzell.htm Mark Schwartz talks to Julie Bozzell about her work which encompasses the installation, training and support of over 150 different specialized research and practice area programs used in her law firm's 18 offices. **Update to Japanese Law via the Internet http://www.llrx.com/features/japan2.htm Prof. Makoto Ibusuki informs us about important new Japanese resources on the web including the consolidated code database, the Supreme Court judgment database and the Gazette database. **Review of SPAMEATER http://www.llrx.com/extras/spameater.htm M. 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(Editor, Sabrina I. Pacifici). **LLRXBuzz February 11, 2002 http://www.llrx.com/buzz/buzz95.htm Tara Calishain reviews:Census Stats -YourCongress.com -NYU Guide to Foreign and International Legal Databases -Google Tweaks News Headlines -Power Utilities on the Internet -Digital Library of Secret Tobacco Documents Now Available **LLRX Newstand - Updated daily: the latest news on legal-tech issues, legislation, web resources and services, online research and more. (Edited and Compiled by Sabrina I. Pacifici) http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm **9-11-2001 News and Legal Resources, Information and Related Services http://www.llrx.com/newstand/wtc.htm (Edited and Compiled by Sabrina I. Pacifici) From scp_sulli at sals.edu Sat Feb 16 15:26:01 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:13 2005 Subject: Flash problems with Gateway E-3400s Message-ID: <020216152601.3a36@sals.edu> We've been having recurring problems among our public Internet PCs with Yahoo Mail and Hotmail (and occasionally other sites). I couldn't tell if this was general squirreliness caused by being subjected to patron abuse for a year, or out-of-date software. These PCs are Gateway E-3400s (NT4/SP6, 256MB RAM, IE 5.5, P700 or so). I yanked two of the most antisocial and wiped them; they now have IE 6 and the latest versions of Flash, Shockwave etc. In the course of testing, I discovered that although they handled Shockwave fine, the Flash page at would cause them to spontaneously reboot. I have tested this on a total of 7 E-3400s out of a batch of 10 we purchased about a year and a half ago, and they all do it. In contrast, one of our first NT PCs (local clone with P166, 32MB RAM and old Flash) handles the page perfectly, if slowly. I did some hunting at alltheweb.com and found an archived message at which suggests the E-3400s had bad motherboards with leaky capacitors. Has anyone else had similar problems? My experience with Gateway support is highly variable, and I'd like to have some reinforcement when I call them. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sun Feb 17 11:33:51 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:14 2005 Subject: XML for E-Journals Examples Message-ID: _XML for E-Journals Examples_ I am greatly interested in e-journals that have implemented the use of XML for markup, display, and navigation. As many are aware, XML is envisioned as the Next Generation framework for electronic journal publication. Yet, while there are literally *hundreds* of books on the topic, I am not cognizant of the e-journals (or e-journal publishers) that have actually *applied* this technology. I am aware of one example and listed in it EJI(sm), my registry of Innovative E-Journal Features, Functionalities, and Content: [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI.htm ] [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI2.htm#XML ] [Actually I've just learned of another _MRS Internet Journal of Nitride Semiconductor Research_ that makes use of eFirst XML, a version developed and made available by Openly Informatics, Inc.] [ http://www.openly.com/efirst/] In addition to XML use in general, I am also interested in e-journals that employ specific XML based application specifications (e.g., MathML [ http://www.w3.org/Math/] As Always and All contributions, candidates, suggestions, comments, queries, Scientific Secrets, Cosmic Insights, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome! Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Marked-Up Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu BTW: There are a *number* of excellent XML resources including XML.com [ http://xml.com/ ] XML Cover Pages [ http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sgml-xml.html ] and of course Extensible Markup Language (XML) [http://www.w3.org/XML/ ] From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sun Feb 17 15:07:06 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:14 2005 Subject: XML Cataloging Templates / OPACs Message-ID: _XML Cataloging Templates / OPACs_ I am greatly interested in learning of efforts that apply an XML-based cataloging record/template for cataloging digital as well as non-digital library materials (books, journals; e-books, e-journals). I am aware of Dick R. Miller's XML MARC project and resource page [ http://xmlmarc.stanford.edu/ ]. AND the digital library Testbed at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, [ http://dli.grainger.uiuc.edu/publications/dlibtestsuite/whitepapers/ xmltechnologies.pdf ] AND "Is XML in Your Future?" Art Rhyno's presentation from the North American Serials Interest Group (NASIG) meeting in San Antonio, Texas in May, 2001 [ http://www.uwindsor.ca/library/leddy/talks/nasig.ppt] Of Particular Interest are Commercial and/or Experimental projects or systems that have represented the framework of Object-Oriented Cataloging presented with the IFLA report _Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records_ [ http://www.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/frbr.pdf ] in XML (or RDF). [I am also aware that ENCompass [ http://encompass.endinfosys.com/whatisENC.htm ] from Endeavor has XML functionality as does the Innovative Interface system [ http://www.iii.com/html/products/p_web.shtml ]. As Always, Any and All contributions, critiques, contributions, suggestions, Gold Medals, Cosmic Insights, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome! Regards, /Gerry McKiernan XML Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From eric at openly.com Sun Feb 17 23:22:20 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] XML for E-Journals Examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry, I'm happy to report that use of XML is widespread in e-journal production processes, but is mostly used in the back end, where it is not exposed to the user. This is because xml handling in user agents, such as web browsers, is not yet up to the task of dealing with the complex markup often found in scientific and scholarly manuscripts. Even when xml is transformed to html via XSLT, it is more reliable to do that server-side rather than client side. One company that has advertised its use of xml in producing e-journals is Catchword. Last I looked they were hosting more than a thousand e-journals. Their use of xml is probably not hugely different from our use of eFirst xml, and is probably not very different from what you'll see at other technologically advanced publishers. Publishers were using SGML in production even before the web. There are public SGML DTD's such as "docbook" and "iso 12083" which were developed with print journals in mind, and they have XML descendents and can be used to generate electronic presentations. I think eFirst xml was one of the first xml dtd's developed specifically for e-journals on the Web. Another publicly available xml dtd for e-journals is from ICAAP. http://www.icaap.org Use of XML for data interchange is also very widespread. When aggregators such as Ovid, ingenta, proquest etc get full text from publishers, it often is delivered as xml or in xml wrappers. So xml is well on its way to being a *current* generation framework for electronic journal publication, at least on the back end. Eric At 8:37 AM -0800 2/17/02, Gerry Mckiernan wrote: > _XML for E-Journals Examples_ > > I am greatly interested in e-journals that have implemented the use of >XML for markup, display, and navigation. As many are aware, XML is >envisioned as the Next Generation framework for electronic journal >publication. Yet, while there are literally *hundreds* of books on >the topic, I am not cognizant of the e-journals (or e-journal >publishers) that have actually *applied* this technology. > >I am aware of one example and listed in it EJI(sm), my registry of >Innovative E-Journal Features, Functionalities, and Content: > > [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI.htm ] > > [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI2.htm#XML ] > >[Actually I've just learned of another _MRS Internet Journal of >Nitride Semiconductor Research_ that makes use of eFirst XML, a >version developed and made available by Openly Informatics, Inc.] > > [ http://www.openly.com/efirst/] > > In addition to XML use in general, I am also interested in >e-journals that employ specific XML based application specifications >(e.g., MathML >[ http://www.w3.org/Math/] > > As Always and All contributions, candidates, suggestions, >comments, queries, Scientific Secrets, Cosmic Insights, Etc. Etc. >Etc. are Most Welcome! > > Regards, > >/Gerry McKiernan >Marked-Up Librarian >Iowa State University >Ames IA 50011 > >gerrymck@iastate.edu > >BTW: There are a *number* of excellent XML resources including > > XML.com [ http://xml.com/ ] > XML Cover Pages [ http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sgml-xml.html ] > >and of course > > Extensible Markup Language (XML) > > [http://www.w3.org/XML/ ] -- Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From luc.grondin at UMontreal.CA Mon Feb 18 13:17:34 2002 From: luc.grondin at UMontreal.CA (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: TEXTAREA rendering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello! As a simple solution to this kind of problem, what I have done so far is output inside 
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the content entered in the textarea (in combination with the use of a "wrap" attribute in the form). This may be enough for your needs... --- Luc Grondin Analyste en gestion de l'information num?rique SERTI - DGTIC, Universit? de Montr?al t?l?phone: (514) 343-6111 p. 3988 - t?l?copieur: (514) 343-2155 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]De la part de Thomas Bennett > Envoy? : 15 f?vrier, 2002 12:46 > ? : Multiple recipients of list > Objet : [WEB4LIB] RE: TEXTAREA rendering > > > Not having used Cold Fusion, can you run the form data for that > form element > through a script before it goes into the database to do a search and > replace. I do this in Zope to escape the ' and change it to \' > because the > data terminates at the first apostrophe it finds, if any, when it > goes into > the database. > > Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of VanderHart, Robert > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] TEXTAREA rendering > > > Good morning, > > I'm developing a web form so our staff members can author meeting minute. > The form consists of several TEXTAREA elements for individual paragraphs. > When the form is submitted, the rendered minutes appear on the > next screen. > You can see the form at > http://library.umassmed.edu/~rvanderh/minutemanager.cfm. > > I would like to have one large TEXTAREA element for the "body" of the > minutes, so that when you press Enter the equivalent of the BR element is > inserted. Right now when you press Enter in the TEXTAREA it's ignored and > does not render, so I have to use the much-less elegant method of > a separate > TEXTAREA for each paragraph. Since I don't want to require our staff to > know any HTML to use this form, such as typing BR or P to make a new > paragraph, I'm wondering if there is any way to make paragraphs > render from > a single TEXTAREA? > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Electronic Resources Librarian > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Mon Feb 18 13:59:18 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: SMIL E-Journal Examples Message-ID: _SMIL E-Journal Examples_ I am greatly interested in learning of Any and All e-journals that utilize SMIL(tm) for markup and access of audio, video, animation, and other multimedia components. As many are aware, SMIL(tm) [pronounced 'smile' :-)] is the Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language that "enables simple authoring of interactive audiovisual presentations. SMIL(tm) is typically used for 'rich media'/multimedia presentations which integrate streaming audio and video with images, text or any other media type" [ http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/ ]. SMIL 2.0 is a World Wide Web Consortium Recommendation (August 2001) "Based on XML, [SMIL(tm)] ... allows developers to mix many types of media, text, video, graphics, audio and vector based animation together and to synchronize them to a timeline" [ http://www.wdvl.com/Authoring/Languages/XML/SMIL/Intro/index.html ] I am aware of select multimedia e-journals and have listed most in M-Bed(sm), my registry devoted to "Embedded Multimedia Electronic Journals" at [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/M-Bed.htm ] [I do not believe that any of these utilize SMIL(tm) but will investigate] As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, critiques, Speed Skating Upsets, Cosmic Insights, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome! /Gerry McKiernan SMILing Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From carver.50 at osu.edu Mon Feb 18 14:45:49 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: How are people using your "Site Search"? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218143130.00af7c88@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are entering in your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but I don't see any discussion on what visitors are using our site-only search engine for, or how they are misusing it. I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there is no doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site search and a search of our OPAC, or a database search. People see "search", and think they can just search for anything. This makes sense from a users point of view, why would someone be able to search the library site and not be able to turn up some books? It may seem silly to us, but this is how people are looking at our sites, they see the library, and they want to search for a book. I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search is not looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to have helped. So, are you watching the logs, what have you seen, and have you found a way to help users get pointed in the right direction? Some recent examples: how many libraries are there at OSU the history of the columbiana county courthouse in Lisbon Ohio Am searching for Howard Johnson who migrated to the united states in 1995-96 Books in Spanish Christian Cultural Anthropology McCarthyism during Cold War dealing with actors and actresses ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries carver.50@osu.edu See Also: http://www.lisnews.com From merchant at LATECH.EDU Mon Feb 18 15:43:14 2002 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218143130.00af7c88@pop.service.ohio-state. edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218142721.01e47210@mail.latech.edu> At 11:52 AM 2/18/2002 -0800, Blake Carver wrote: >Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are entering in >your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but I Been using the free search from http://search.atomz.com for couple of years now, been rather satisfied with it. It's free for sites under a certain number of documents, I forget how much, just that our main Library site is below the cut-off. Couldn't set up another account to use it to search the Unix help pages being mirrored, as that section was too large, but that's fine with me. Anway, it gives weekly email reports of what keywords are being used by our patrons. The email report lists the top 5 searches for that week, with a link to get all the words used for searching for that week, plus daily, weekly, and monthly stats. >I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there is no >doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site search and a >search of our OPAC, or a database search. Same here. Was especially bad at the beginning. >I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search is not >looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to have >helped. I did the same, and my first attempt at putting up a disclaimer helped some, just a little, not much. I then moved to having the text in and . Even have stooped to using a DHTML script (which browser snifs) to alternate the color of the disclaimer text as well to help get more attention. It's set off in a table with a thick colored border and white background to have it show up even better. I got some improvement in the search logs. Now in the top 5 searches, the last couple or three keyword(s) used would actually be related to the library web site: someone looking for Infotrac for instance, or library hours. I don't think any web site related search terms ever made the top two, but at least the third most used or fourth and fifth most used terms are library site related. Much improvement. I'll live with it. It ain't pretty, but it works: http://www.latech.edu/tech/library/search.htm TTFN, David Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Mon Feb 18 16:15:04 2002 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your Message-ID: <410-22002211821154687@linc.lib.il.us> We have the same issues -- I did originally have the search box itself on the front page of our site, with a note that said "Search This Site:" and found that people were using it pretty much ONLY to search for information as if it were searching the Internet (or, oddly enough, typing in URLs). Some time ago I replaced the search box on the front page with a link to 'Search Our Site,' that takes viewers to a page that briefly explains search and provides the search box. This has cut down on people using it to search the Internet, but also has cut down tremendously on people using search at all. - Rachel ---- Original Message ---- From: carver.50@osu.edu To: web4lib@webjunction.org, Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) >Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are >entering in >your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but >I >don't see any discussion on what visitors are using our site-only >search >engine for, or how they are misusing it. > >I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there >is no >doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site >search and a >search of our OPAC, or a database search. >People see "search", and think they can just search for anything. >This >makes sense from a users point of view, why would someone be able to >search >the library site and not be able to turn up some books? It may seem >silly >to us, but this is how people are looking at our sites, they see the >library, and they want to search for a book. > >I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search >is not >looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to >have >helped. > >So, are you watching the logs, what have you seen, and have you >found a way >to help users get pointed in the right direction? > >Some recent examples: > how many libraries are there at OSU > the history of the columbiana county courthouse in Lisbon Ohio > Am searching for Howard Johnson who migrated to the united states >in 1995-96 >Books in Spanish Christian Cultural Anthropology >McCarthyism during Cold War dealing with actors and actresses > >------------------------------------------ >Blake Carver >Web Librarian >The Ohio State University Libraries >carver.50@osu.edu >See Also: > http://www.lisnews.com > > > --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu Mon Feb 18 16:17:26 2002 From: Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu (Jamane Yeager) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: calendars Message-ID: Thanks to all that replied to my query about a calendar for our web site. I am using the calendar from Master.com If you would like to see it check http://library.elon.edu.master.com/texis/master/search/showcal.html Thanks again. ---------------------------------------- Jamane Yeager Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian Elon University (336) 278-6576 From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Mon Feb 18 16:21:35 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: How are people using your "Site Search"? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218142721.01e47210@mail.latech.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218161854.00aa8820@pop3.norton.antivirus> We use picosearch - also a free indexing tool. It allows up to 1500 pages I believe and provides us with the search terms that are used the most. Recently it has added some more reports. One thing that I like is that it allows us to have 3 entry points, so we index our public librayr web page (russelllibrary.org) as well as the town and public school web pages. Isabel At 01:02 PM 2/18/2002 -0800, David Merchant wrote: >At 11:52 AM 2/18/2002 -0800, Blake Carver wrote: > >Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are entering in > >your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but I > >Been using the free search from http://search.atomz.com for couple of years >now, been rather satisfied with it. It's free for sites under a certain >number of documents, I forget how much, just that our main Library site is >below the cut-off. Couldn't set up another account to use it to search the >Unix help pages being mirrored, as that section was too large, but that's >fine with me. Anway, it gives weekly email reports of what keywords are >being used by our patrons. The email report lists the top 5 searches for >that week, with a link to get all the words used for searching for that >week, plus daily, weekly, and monthly stats. > > >I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there is no > >doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site search and a > >search of our OPAC, or a database search. > >Same here. Was especially bad at the beginning. > > >I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search is not > >looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to have > >helped. > >I did the same, and my first attempt at putting up a disclaimer helped >some, just a little, not much. I then moved to having the text in > and . Even have stooped to using a DHTML script (which >browser snifs) to alternate the color of the disclaimer text as well to >help get more attention. It's set off in a table with a thick colored >border and white background to have it show up even better. I got some >improvement in the search logs. Now in the top 5 searches, the last couple >or three keyword(s) used would actually be related to the library web site: >someone looking for Infotrac for instance, or library hours. I don't think >any web site related search terms ever made the top two, but at least the >third most used or fourth and fifth most used terms are library site >related. Much improvement. I'll live with it. It ain't pretty, but it >works: http://www.latech.edu/tech/library/search.htm > >TTFN, >David > >Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University >merchant@latech.edu >JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) >Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) >Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From bennetttm at appstate.edu Mon Feb 18 17:08:31 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanner recommendations sought In-Reply-To: <3C6D9FF5.278151CF@manhattan.edu> Message-ID: We use the HP 6390 (discontinued) for ILL Document Delivery http://www.hp.com/itrc_pdi/products/pdfs/sj6300series.pdf For Electronic Reserves with use the Minolta PS 7000 Document Camera See http://www.library.appstate.edu/lib/intranet/ereserves/ for some quick photos I took of the scanner. No need to book mark that page, I'm getting ready to set up a stand alone server for our intranet and the minolta page is the only page on our main server under the intranet directory. The new webserver will be http://intranet.library.appstate.edu Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Stacy Pober Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 7:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanner recommendations sought I would like to get a scanner that can be used as a flatbed scanner but which also allows multi-page feeding of documents. This would be used primarily for our online reserves and most scanning we do for that is printed (and a few hand-written) documents, almost all in black/white. Anyone have one they're happy with? I'm having trouble finding many (okay, ANY) with a quick google and google.groups search. I'm probably not using the right term for the multi-page feeder, and I'm getting a bit frustrated. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries Riverdale, NY 10471 http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Feb 18 17:11:14 2002 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? Message-ID: Yes, we have looked at our logs carefully and determined that about 1/3 were for known items (mostly books & journals), 1/3 were subject searches of a biomedical nature, and 1/3 were subject searches of miscellaneous/bad searches. Towards that end, we have purchased Encompass to help us integrate our resources; until this is live, we are doing some jerry-rigged cross-resource searching. For one thing, our "Search the Library" produces a page w/three sections: Ejournals, Web Resources, and "the rest" (static HTML files). Similarly, we are gradually implementing a function that passes a string to the OPAC. Here users do "enter" the OPAC, so it may be a bit confusing for the less sophisticated users, but it does provide good added-value. >>> Blake Carver 2/18/02 1:52:23 PM >>> Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are entering in your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but I don't see any discussion on what visitors are using our site-only search engine for, or how they are misusing it. I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there is no doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site search and a search of our OPAC, or a database search. People see "search", and think they can just search for anything. This makes sense from a users point of view, why would someone be able to search the library site and not be able to turn up some books? It may seem silly to us, but this is how people are looking at our sites, they see the library, and they want to search for a book. I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search is not looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to have helped. So, are you watching the logs, what have you seen, and have you found a way to help users get pointed in the right direction? Some recent examples: how many libraries are there at OSU the history of the columbiana county courthouse in Lisbon Ohio Am searching for Howard Johnson who migrated to the united states in 1995-96 Books in Spanish Christian Cultural Anthropology McCarthyism during Cold War dealing with actors and actresses ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries carver.50@osu.edu See Also: http://www.lisnews.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bennetttm at appstate.edu Mon Feb 18 17:06:55 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218143130.00af7c88@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In some cases ( and probably very many) I think it is indistinguishable to say whether they meant to search the opac or the site. Take for instance the first two below. Not being a librarian, I would have thought that the first two would be meant for the opac not our site but there are 6 pages returned for the first and 2 pages returned for the second. Although when I tried the search myself the number of results were quite different, zero returned for each of the first two and eighteen pages for the third. These are results from searches today. Query Distinct Queries Results pages the conspiracy of byron 3 6 lynette jennings 2 2 electronic copy 2 2 Watauga Democrat 2 2 indoor stock car racing 2 2 Archaeological Investigations in the Watauga Reservoir 2 2 the insatiate countess 2 3 watterson 2 2 axp 1 1 telnet 1 1 We use Google's site search for searching our site. For Universities there is no charge. The feature includes reports that can be viewed. When viewing the report, clicking on the number of hits for that day goes to a page that shows the terms that were searched on. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Blake Carver Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are entering in your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but I don't see any discussion on what visitors are using our site-only search engine for, or how they are misusing it. I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there is no doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site search and a search of our OPAC, or a database search. People see "search", and think they can just search for anything. This makes sense from a users point of view, why would someone be able to search the library site and not be able to turn up some books? It may seem silly to us, but this is how people are looking at our sites, they see the library, and they want to search for a book. I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search is not looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to have helped. So, are you watching the logs, what have you seen, and have you found a way to help users get pointed in the right direction? Some recent examples: how many libraries are there at OSU the history of the columbiana county courthouse in Lisbon Ohio Am searching for Howard Johnson who migrated to the united states in 1995-96 Books in Spanish Christian Cultural Anthropology McCarthyism during Cold War dealing with actors and actresses ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries carver.50@osu.edu See Also: http://www.lisnews.com From merchant at LATECH.EDU Mon Feb 18 17:20:39 2002 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: Follow Up to How are people using your "Site Search"? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218161840.027162f8@mail.latech.edu> Follow up: the free, scaled down version of their search service by Atomz is at: http://www.atomz.com/search/trial_account.htm It is not a timed-trial, is only for sites with 500 pages or less. For a scaled down version of their commercial service, it's not bad! TTFN, David Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From rich at richardwiggins.com Mon Feb 18 17:52:15 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: How are people using your site search Message-ID: <20020218225215.1124.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> In the age of Google (and to a lesser extent AskJeeves and LivePerson), with a mass audience of customers coming to your Web site, this sort of behavior is predictable. People see a search box, they type into it what they want to know, either as search terms or in the form of a question. They don't distinguish between "the site" and "the library". They think they've landed at a virtual library. Why doesn't that search box give 'em the answer they seek? So it seems we either somehow train the user what to type into which search box, or we make a very smart search box. Train the user: One approach might be to offer a set of radio buttons with a single search box, so the user has to pick which kind of search is being done -- Search this site, search for a book by title, etc. You only do a local site search if you pick the button that says that's what you want to do, and you see the other choices to distinguish among the options. Smarter search box: I think the Internet Movie Database is worth emulating here. I just tried a search for "John Malkovich" and got a nice integrated hit list broken down by movie titles, names of actors, etc. I refined my search by clicking the drop down to look for "People" instead of "All" and got a direct hit for the one actor. IMDB offers more elaborate structured searches for when the more generic ones don't deliver. Imagine if the one search box at the library could be that smart. You type in Shakespeare and you get back from a federated search: -- Library Events: lecture in the library next week by a Shakespeare expert -- Book Club: East Overshoe book club is reading Shakespeare's sonnets -- Community Events: "Love's Labour's Lost" at East Overshoe Civic Theatre -- Articles: 200 recent articles on Shakespeare available online 2000 articles on Shakespeare in our magazine collection -- Books: 10,000 books on subject of Shakespeare 200 books with author of Shakespeare The smarter search box is obviously a lot harder to build than cues for training the user, but wouldn't it be nicer? /rich On Mon, 18 February 2002, "Rachel Singer Gordon" wrote: > > We have the same issues -- I did originally have the search box > itself on the front page of our site, with a note that said "Search > This Site:" and found that people were using it pretty much ONLY to > search for information as if it were searching the Internet (or, > oddly enough, typing in URLs). Some time ago I replaced the search > box on the front page with a link to 'Search Our Site,' that takes > viewers to a page that briefly explains search and provides the > search box. This has cut down on people using it to search the > Internet, but also has cut down tremendously on people using search > at all. > > - Rachel > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: carver.50@osu.edu > To: web4lib@webjunction.org, > Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] How are people using your "Site Search"? > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) > > >Is anyone else is keeping a log of what search terms people are > >entering in > >your "Site Search". I recall a "how to" thread a few weeks back, but > >I > >don't see any discussion on what visitors are using our site-only > >search > >engine for, or how they are misusing it. > > > >I've been keeping track here at OSU for a few months now, and there > >is no > >doubt in my mind people are NOT differentiating between a site > >search and a > >search of our OPAC, or a database search. > >People see "search", and think they can just search for anything. > >This > >makes sense from a users point of view, why would someone be able to > >search > >the library site and not be able to turn up some books? It may seem > >silly > >to us, but this is how people are looking at our sites, they see the > >library, and they want to search for a book. > > > >I changed our search screen to state explicitly that our site search > >is not > >looking for books, etc... about a month ago, and it doesn't seem to > >have > >helped. > > > >So, are you watching the logs, what have you seen, and have you > >found a way > >to help users get pointed in the right direction? > > > >Some recent examples: > > how many libraries are there at OSU > > the history of the columbiana county courthouse in Lisbon Ohio > > Am searching for Howard Johnson who migrated to the united states > >in 1995-96 > >Books in Spanish Christian Cultural Anthropology > >McCarthyism during Cold War dealing with actors and actresses > > > >------------------------------------------ > >Blake Carver > >Web Librarian > >The Ohio State University Libraries > >carver.50@osu.edu > >See Also: > > http://www.lisnews.com > > > > > > > --- > Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us > http://www.franklinparklibrary.org > http://www.lisjobs.com > --- Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From darganm at maple.iren.net Mon Feb 18 23:25:16 2002 From: darganm at maple.iren.net (Michael Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: Filtering again Message-ID: It appears likely that our legislature will once more be considering a filtering mandate for public libraries. I'm looking for research based information on the effectiveness of filters in screening "harmful" (whatever that is) while not filtering protected information. Anecdotes are welcome, but analyses of large amounts of filtered content would be more useful. Thanks in advance. --- Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 From sdk at cesmail.net Mon Feb 18 23:40:41 2002 From: sdk at cesmail.net (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Filtering again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take a look at these: Sites Blocked by Internet Filtering Programs Edelman Expert Report for Multnomah County Public Library et al., vs. United States of America, et al. http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/mul-v-us/ INTERNET FILTERS A PUBLIC POLICY REPORT Marjorie Heins & Christina Cho Free Expression Policy Project National Coalition Against Censorship http://www.ncac.org/issues/internetfilters.html Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Pop-Under Perp Walk: Who's behind those annoying pop-under ads, anyway? http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,37785,FF.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Michael Dargan > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Filtering again > > > It appears likely that our legislature will once more be considering a > filtering mandate for public libraries. I'm looking for research based > information on the effectiveness of filters in screening "harmful" > (whatever that is) while not filtering protected information. Anecdotes > are welcome, but analyses of large amounts of filtered content would be > more useful. > > Thanks in advance. > > --- > Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 > Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 > Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 > > > From tsmith1 at ohiou.edu Tue Feb 19 07:50:46 2002 From: tsmith1 at ohiou.edu (Tim Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: How are people using your "Site Search"? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218142721.01e47210@mail.latech.edu> Message-ID: I agree with Blake Carver's and David Merchant's observations about patron (mis)use of site search engines. Like David, we've been using Atomz.com's search engine (though not for free; we have way too many pages for that), for a couple of years now and, like him again, I have tried to explain what the search engine does and does not search: http://www.library.ohiou.edu/electres/search/asearch.htm. I think the "disclaimer" has helped some--but it's never going to overcome the problem of people (like me, in other contexts!) who don't read instructions. I also thought it might be interesting and instructive to share the list of top searches from our log at Atomz. Here it is: Feb. 10-16 8 lexus nexus 7 lexis nexis 6 psycinfo 5 electronic reserve 5 symbolism 4 free radicals 4 movies 4 sport management 4 standard and poor s bond guide 3 a measure of workplace 3 acedemic advancement center 3 college basketball 3 computer lab 3 eric 3 flic 3 friends of the library 3 genealogy 3 harry potter 3 lexis nexus 3 meigs county Many of the searches are reasonable for a website search, while others clearly are not. One of the very nice things about the Atomz search engine is that it allows the administrator to insert "synonyms" in the configuration of the system. Which is to say, I've made lexus and nexus "synonyms" for lexis and nexis, which allows all those misspelled searches to come up with good results. Likewise, psycinfo, psychinfo, psychlit, and a few other sets of similar words. (In fact, I see from the list above that I should probably add "acedemic" to the set of synonyms.) Tim Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * Tim Smith Phone: (740) 593-2634 Reference Dept. E-Mail: tsmith1@ohiou.edu Alden Library, Ohio Univ. Fax: (740) 593-0138 Athens, OH 45701 "Technology has replaced reflection" -- Utah Phillips * * * * * * * * * * * * From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Tue Feb 19 10:44:45 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights March issue out Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large--a new issue is out: March 2002: Vol. 2 No. 4 (16 pages) Contents: * Get Outta Town! * Bibs & Blather * Feedback and Following Up * Text-e Part II (segments 5-7) * The Good Stuff - a dozen items * DisContent: Getting the Context * Ebooks and Etext * Trends and Quick Takes - two items At the usual place: http://cical.home.att.net From Linda_Salem at redlands.edu Tue Feb 19 11:08:31 2002 From: Linda_Salem at redlands.edu (Salem, Linda) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: LACASIS Event: Museums and the Online Archive of California Message-ID: LOS ANGELES CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR INFORMATION SCIENCE Be A Part Of It All... Weaving the tapestry of cultural heritage: Museums and the Online Archive of California Presented by G?nter Waibel The networked age presents cultural heritage institutions with the opportunity to provide access to their holdings in unprecedented breadth and depth. Because each institution holds but one strand of the tapestry of our cultural heritage, the Berkeley Art Museum decided to explore collections access across institutional boundaries. In the collaborative project, "Museums and the Online Archive of California," the Berkeley Art Museum took the lead in integrating museum collections, including multimedia surrogates of collection objects, into a database encompassing primary resources from libraries and archives statewide. G?nter Waibel will provide a behind-the-scenes tour of what it takes to merge collections data and accompanying multimedia surrogates from disparate local sources into one union database. G?nter Waibel is the Digital Media Developer at the UC Berkeley Art Museum & Pacific Film Archive, where his responsibilities include the production, management, preservation and delivery of BAM/PFA's digital assets ranging from digital still images to digital video. He currently serves as a member of the Online Archive of California Working Group and is the Chair of the Museum Computer Network's Digital Imaging Special Interest Group. Date: Thursday, March 21, 2002 Location: UCLA Faculty Center Time: 6:30pm Networking & Social Hour 7:00pm Dinner 7:45pm Program Menu: Choice of Entrees: Chicken Fish Vegetarian Dessert and Coffee Dinner Cost: ASIS Members $26.00 Non-Members $28.00 Students $20.00 RSVP BY: March 14, 2002 Directions to the UCLA Faculty Center: The Faculty Center is located at 480 Charles Young Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90095. >From the 405 freeway take the Sunset Blvd. exit and go east. Turn right on Hilgard Avenue then turn right on Westholme (the second traffic light) and enter the UCLA campus. Go to the parking and information kiosk to your right and ask for parking directions. The Faculty Center is the first building on your right. A day parking pass is $ 6.00 If you have any registration questions, please contact Heather Hessel at hhessel@acm.org or 310-559-0307 Reservations: Send this form and payment to: Heather Hessel 9054 Carson Street - Apt A Culver City, CA 90232 -or- Register Online: http://www.lacasis.org ----------------------------------------------#----------------------------- ---- Make check Payable to: LACASIS Registration Deadline: March 14, 2002 NAME/AFFLIATION_____________________________________________________________ __________________ ADDRESS:____________________________________________________________________ ___________________ DAYTIME PHONE:_______________________ E-MAIL ADDRESS:_____________________________________ LACASIS MEMBER: Y N STUDENT: Y N ENTR?E: Chicken Fish Vegetarian AMOUNT ENCLOSED: _________ From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Tue Feb 19 11:14:32 2002 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: Netscape 6.2 Java Problems Message-ID: <02Feb19.090503mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html Thanks! Michelle --------------------------- Michelle Rempel Peace Library System e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca --------------------------- From Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org Tue Feb 19 11:25:22 2002 From: Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems Message-ID: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F47BD@MAIL> Hi Michelle, Just tell that patron to go to www.sun.com. There is a link right off the front page to download java for Windows XP. Tell them not to worry, before you actually download it, it will ask you what version of Windows this person wants it for. That should correct that problem. Jody Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Rempel [mailto:mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html Thanks! Michelle --------------------------- Michelle Rempel Peace Library System e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca --------------------------- From drobinson at hwwilson.com Tue Feb 19 11:27:49 2002 From: drobinson at hwwilson.com (Dan Robinson) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems Message-ID: <0DBB337BAB6ABA4F8F7772585216794F35D2B3@HWWEXCH.hwwilson.com> I get as far as Java applet loading then it stalls. At the bottom is the message: Applet Webclient notinited. In general, I've found the actions of the various Java Applets to be inconsistent with NS 6.2. The same site will run fine one time and will stall on the Applet load the next. Even 5 minutes apart. Dan Robinson drobinson@hwwilson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Rempel [mailto:mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:17 AM > > > I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer > access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. > Has anyone else > had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing > purposes, here is the > URL of our catalogue > http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > > Thanks! > > Michelle > > From xyu at vcu.edu Tue Feb 19 11:32:23 2002 From: xyu at vcu.edu (Shaw Yu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems References: <02Feb19.090503mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Message-ID: <3C727E17.3050706@vcu.edu> Better not to test it if you use 6.2. It crashed my computer. Shaw Systems Librarian Virginia Commonwealth University Michelle Rempel wrote: >I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer >access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else >had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the >URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > >Thanks! > >Michelle > >--------------------------- >Michelle Rempel >Peace Library System >e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >--------------------------- > > > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 19 11:30:28 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems In-Reply-To: <02Feb19.090503mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020219112320.0282fe58@ohiolink.edu> At 11:19 AM 2/19/2002, Michelle Rempel wrote: >I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer >access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else >had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the >URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html See . It appears that Dynix's support Sun's own flavor of Java is buggy, and hasn't gotten fixed within the last six months. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu Tue Feb 19 11:38:15 2002 From: Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu (Howard Pasternack) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems In-Reply-To: <02Feb19.090503mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020219113610.02792650@postoffice.brown.edu> Netscape 6.2 has a list of "banned" ports which are hidden and can't really be altered. This is being done for "security" reasons. It is likely that port 8080 is amongst them. -- Howard At 11:19 AM 2/19/2002, Michelle Rempel wrote: >I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer >access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else >had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the >URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > >Thanks! > >Michelle > >--------------------------- >Michelle Rempel >Peace Library System >e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >--------------------------- From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Feb 19 11:45:09 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.2 Java Problems Message-ID: <200202191145.AA965870170@ansernet.rcls.org> Contact epixtech support. The problem is with their poor java writing, not Netscape 6.2's Java support. The US epixtech support has a patch that will correct the connectivity problem. There is also a screen display problem, which has only been fixed by Dynix Australia. I'm in the process right now of getting epixtech US to get a copy of the patch from Australia that will correct both the connectivity and screen display problems. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michelle Rempel Reply-To: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) >I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer >access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else >had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the >URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > >Thanks! > >Michelle > >--------------------------- >Michelle Rempel >Peace Library System >e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >--------------------------- > > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org Tue Feb 19 11:46:21 2002 From: Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape 6.2 Java Problems Message-ID: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F47BF@MAIL> Hi Dan, Are you using the java applet from Netscape, or from Sun? I've had excellent success with Sun's latest version. Also, if you upgraded your Netscape version, you may want to reinstall the plugin anyway. You want to be sure and use the link off the front page of the Sun site because they've updated the plugin since XP came out. I use Netscape 6.2 and Mozilla and it works great for both. Jody -----Original Message----- From: Dan Robinson [mailto:drobinson@hwwilson.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape 6.2 Java Problems I get as far as Java applet loading then it stalls. At the bottom is the message: Applet Webclient notinited. In general, I've found the actions of the various Java Applets to be inconsistent with NS 6.2. The same site will run fine one time and will stall on the Applet load the next. Even 5 minutes apart. Dan Robinson drobinson@hwwilson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Rempel [mailto:mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:17 AM > > > I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer > access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. > Has anyone else > had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing > purposes, here is the > URL of our catalogue > http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > > Thanks! > > Michelle > > From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Tue Feb 19 12:14:08 2002 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape 6.2 Java Problems In-Reply-To: <200202191145.AA965870170@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: <02Feb19.100435mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Thanks for that info Jerry! We weren't aware of that. Michelle At 09:46 AM 2/19/02, you wrote: >Contact epixtech support. The problem is with their poor java writing, not >Netscape 6.2's Java support. The US epixtech support has a patch that will >correct the connectivity problem. There is also a screen display problem, >which has only been fixed by Dynix Australia. I'm in the process right now >of getting epixtech US to get a copy of the patch from Australia that will >correct both the connectivity and screen display problems. > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Michelle Rempel >Reply-To: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) > > >I have a patron who recently installed Netscape 6.2 and can no longer > >access our java catalogue from home. We use Dynix Webpac. Has anyone else > >had a similar problem with Netscape 6.2? For testing purposes, here is the > >URL of our catalogue http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca:8080/webclient.html > > > >Thanks! > > > >Michelle > > > >--------------------------- > >Michelle Rempel > >Peace Library System > >e-mail: mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca > >http://www.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca > >--------------------------- > > > > > > > >-- >Jerry Kuntz >Electronic Resources Consultant >Ramapo Catskill Library System >jkuntz@rcls.org > >-- From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Tue Feb 19 13:13:21 2002 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: How are people using your "Site Search"? Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6C092@ex2.uchsc.edu> We used to have a site search form right on the home page, and yes, over half of the searches were probably trying to search for things better found in either the OPAC or a database. We changed the search form into an OPAC word search form instead. Then changed our site search to a link on the page, in a different position. This has helped to an extent although it's hard to tell, the search logs have just gotten a lot shorter than they used to be. If I get the time I want to try to change the OPAC search form into a drop down with choice for journal title, author, and keyword choices - anyone else out there with an Innovative catalog that has tried this successfully? BTW, using FreeFind for site search, and pretty happy with the reports it generates. Jeff Kuntzman Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center From xyu at vcu.edu Tue Feb 19 13:17:11 2002 From: xyu at vcu.edu (Shaw Yu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: Web statistics software Message-ID: <3C7296A7.7070003@vcu.edu> Hi, Has anybody been able to gather the "number of new/unique visitors per month" information through Web statistics software? I guess we probably can write some scripts to go through the log files to get that kind information. But is there any statistics package available to do that? Thanks. Shaw Yu (804) 828-0032 Systems Librarian Virginia Commonwealth University From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Feb 19 13:16:10 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: U.S. Supreme Court To Hear Copyright Case Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219131307.00a33ec0@imap.gwu.edu> This might be of interest. WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to intervene in a fight over copyrights, deciding whether Congress has sided too heavily with writers and other inventors. The outcome will determine when hundreds of thousands of books, songs and movies will be freely available on the Internet or in digital libraries. Full-Text at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20020219/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_internet_libraries_11 or http://library.northernlight.com/EB20020219850000068.html regards, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Feb 19 13:20:57 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Filtering again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f501c1b972$2d256400$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> :It appears likely that our legislature will once more be considering a :filtering mandate for public libraries. I'm looking for research based :information on the effectiveness of filters in screening "harmful" :(whatever that is) while not filtering protected information. Anecdotes :are welcome, but analyses of large amounts of filtered content would be :more useful. Mine the citations in the Technote I did for PLA; they lead to a number of useful places. The Hunter analysis is particularly useful. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From ladyhawk at well.com Tue Feb 19 13:34:31 2002 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Filtering again In-Reply-To: <00f501c1b972$2d256400$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Message-ID: <3C725467.13280.1312F5D@localhost> The URL for Karen's TechNote is http://www.pla.org/publications/technotes/technotes_filtering.html GraceAnne Karen G. Schneider wrote on 19 Feb 2002, about [WEB4LIB] RE: Filtering again > :It appears likely that our legislature will once more be > considering a :filtering mandate for public libraries. I'm > looking for research based :information on the effectiveness > of filters in screening "harmful" :(whatever that is) while > not filtering protected information. Anecdotes :are welcome, > but analyses of large amounts of filtered content would be > :more useful. > > Mine the citations in the Technote I did for PLA; they lead > to a number of useful places. The Hunter analysis is > particularly useful. > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > GraceAnne A. DeCandido, MLS Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html Ten Graces for New Librarians http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/albany.html Writing is exciting, and baseball is like writing. You can never tell with either how it will go. Marianne Moore From peterson at amigos.org Tue Feb 19 13:32:49 2002 From: peterson at amigos.org (peterson@amigos.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: BIOS Print/Capture Message-ID: I'm looking for a way to print or, preferably capture to display and print, some of my BIOS screens for a training session. I've looked through the Web4Lib archives and tried a couple of search engines with no luck. I'm working with a Windows 2000 Professional operating system. Can anyone help? Christine Peterson Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 800/843-8482 x191 (message only) 512/671-1580 (phone and fax) EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org From ylef at coloradomtn.edu Tue Feb 19 13:51:16 2002 From: ylef at coloradomtn.edu (Yuliya Lef) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] BIOS Print/Capture References: Message-ID: <3C729EA4.4090509@coloradomtn.edu> Christine, Try SnagIT software. You can easily download their free 30 day trial. http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/download.asp It allows you to capture any screen as an image. Yuliya Lef Virtual LRC Coordinator Colorado Mountain College peterson@amigos.org wrote: >I'm looking for a way to print or, preferably capture to display and print, >some of my BIOS screens for a training session. I've looked through the >Web4Lib archives and tried a couple of search engines with no luck. I'm >working with a Windows 2000 Professional operating system. Can anyone >help? > >Christine Peterson >Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services >14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 >800/843-8482 x191 (message only) >512/671-1580 (phone and fax) >EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org > From feldman at uthscsa.edu Tue Feb 19 14:07:29 2002 From: feldman at uthscsa.edu (Feldman, Jonquil) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: Job Posting-Systems Librarian-San Antonio, Texas Message-ID: <13FE14AE606FD311B7C600902798CF7F011B2E85@libmail.uthscsa.edu> The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio (UTHSCSA) Library is seeking a motivated, service-oriented, and technologically proficient librarian to work in the Library's System Division. The UTHSCSA Library is a highly collaborative, computer intensive environment where excellence in job performance and service are valued. DUTIES: The Systems Librarian works with a team of librarians and technical staff reporting to the Associate Library Director for Systems to manage various computer systems including Innovative Interfaces Inc. integrated library system, EZ Proxy, the Library's web site, and the UTHSCSA Records Management program. The Systems Librarian will be responsible for providing support via telephone and email for users who need technical assistance with accessing library databases; serving as technical contact for the UTHSCSA Library's new branch at the Regional Academic Health Center in Harlingen, Texas; and assisting with installation of computer software and hardware as needed. For full details on this position, visit http://www.library.uthscsa.edu/. QUALIFICATIONS: ALA-accredited Master's degree in library and information science or a master's or bachelor's degree in other fields plus four or more years experience with information technology, information systems, or library information systems; understanding and enthusiasm for the role and potential of technology for the design and delivery of services and resources; ability to plan, initiate, and implement effective programs, projects, or services; effective oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills; ability to work independently and as part of a team, and to work with diverse faculty, staff, and students; evidence of flexibility, enthusiasm, and collegiality. Preferred: networking/systems experience in a library environment, familiarity with Windows 2000 OS for desktops and servers, Linux OS, proxy server software, web server software, network management, and installation of computer peripherals. SALARY: $40,000 plus competitive benefits package including TIAA and other optional retirement plans. No state or local income tax. Appointment will be at Librarian III level, Administrative & Professional category. Consideration of applications will begin in February and continue until the position is filled. Send letter of application, resume, and names of three professional references to: Office of Human Resources MSC 7972, attn: Jeanette Heidelberg, The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, 7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, TX, 78229-3900, or e-mail Heidelberg@uthscsa.edu Questions about this position may be addressed to: Jonquil D. Feldman, MLS Assistant to the Library Director E-mail: feldman@uthscsa.edu UTHSCSA is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Tue Feb 19 15:35:54 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: Chat clients Message-ID: <3C7270DA.17495.1EAF2B96@localhost> In setting up public Internet workstations, what chat clients would you recommend as the most important to install? Thanks, Bill Teschek bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us From cmurdock at ccfls.org Tue Feb 19 17:07:25 2002 From: cmurdock at ccfls.org (c.murdock) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] BIOS Print/Capture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020219220745.802.qmail@mplcat1.meadvillelibrary.org> You might try using vmware, which is a program that you can use to run another operating system within a virtual machine on your system. I don't know whether it's available for Windows 2000, however, as I've only ever used it under Linux to run Windows. You can download a trial version, and it runs the second OS in a separate window which you could do a screen capture on, as it goes through all the boot stuff just like your computer would when you boot it normally. It may seem a bit like overkill, but I don't know how else you would capture a BIOS screenshot. Good luck! -- Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library/Crawford County Federated Library System http://meadvillelibrary.org & http://ccfls.org On Tuesday 19 February 2002 01:37 pm, you wrote: > I'm looking for a way to print or, preferably capture to display and print, > some of my BIOS screens for a training session. I've looked through the > Web4Lib archives and tried a couple of search engines with no luck. I'm > working with a Windows 2000 Professional operating system. Can anyone > help? > > Christine Peterson > Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services > 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 > 800/843-8482 x191 (message only) > 512/671-1580 (phone and fax) > EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org From ras at anzio.com Tue Feb 19 17:18:44 2002 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: BIOS Print/Capture In-Reply-To: <20020219220745.802.qmail@mplcat1.meadvillelibrary.org> Message-ID: I suspect all your answers so far are wrong. When you're booting up, and you trigger the BIOS, no other software is running. As far as I know, there is no way to print that screen, unless a particular BIOS supports that feature itself. You could take a digital photograph of the screen... Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From walterg at yorku.ca Tue Feb 19 19:43:10 2002 From: walterg at yorku.ca (Walter Giesbrecht) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: BIOS Print/Capture References: Message-ID: <3C72F11E.F479A594@yorku.ca> Bob Rasmussen wrote: > > I suspect all your answers so far are wrong. When you're > booting up, and you trigger the BIOS, no other software is > running. As far as I know, there is no way to print that > screen, unless a particular BIOS supports that feature itself. What *does* work on my Dell Dimension XPS H266 (vintage 1997) is as follows: 1. Enter Setup 2. When the screen you wish to print is displayed, press the Print Screen button. 3. Exit Setup and continue the boot-up process. Once the boot process resumes, the desired screen is printed. You'll have to re-enter Setup and repeat the process for every screen you wish to print. I haven't tried this on any other PC, so your mileage may vary. -- Walter W. Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University, Toronto CANADA 113SSB ----------------------------------------------------------------- From peterson at amigos.org Tue Feb 19 22:37:42 2002 From: peterson at amigos.org (peterson@amigos.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: BIOS Print/Capture Message-ID: I found that suggestion listed for Windows 95/98 and tried it. I tried , , and . None of them worked. Either it has been disabled in Windows 2000, or my printer set-up is different (HP LaserJet 1100). I've been looking for a parameter to set differently, but haven't found it yet. Christine Peterson Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 800/843-8482 x191 (message only) 512/671-1580 (phone and fax) EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org What *does* work on my Dell Dimension XPS H266 (vintage 1997) is as follows: 1. Enter Setup 2. When the screen you wish to print is displayed, press the Print Screen button. 3. Exit Setup and continue the boot-up process. Once the boot process resumes, the desired screen is printed. You'll have to re-enter Setup and repeat the process for every screen you wish to print. I haven't tried this on any other PC, so your mileage may vary. -- Walter W. Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University, Toronto CANADA 113SSB ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Rible at sou.edu Tue Feb 19 22:44:58 2002 From: Rible at sou.edu (Jim Rible) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up WORD HTML Message-ID: I convert a lot of Word documents and there are two more steps I follow after the "Clean Up Word HTML". 2. File >> Convert >> 3.0 Compatiable Browser (then select the "CSS Styles to HTML Markup") 3. Modify >> Page Properties >> Document Encoding (then change it from "Windows 1252" to "Western (Latin 1)"). Jim Rible Systems Librarian Southern Oregon Univesity rible@sou.edu >>> "Drew, Bill" 02/05/02 05:48PM >>> Any suggestions for cleaning up Word documents saved as HTML? I use the Commands within Dreamweaver but the code still looks very dirty but better than it was. Any suggestions other than getting them to use something else? We are mounting handouts written originally in Word onto our web. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Thu Feb 21 06:38:01 2002 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OCS printer software and Windows 2000 and crashes In-Reply-To: <3C7432BA.33BAC46@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: We use OCS on Windows 2000 and NT 4 Workstation machines running Word 2000 and XP and have no problems like you describe. Are you using an old version of OCS? Phillip B. Whitford Braswell Memorial Library 727 N. Grace St Rd, Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Charles P. Hobbs Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] OCS printer software and Windows 2000 and crashes We use OCS (Output Control Systems) printer software on the NT4 public computers in our library. We want to upgrade these computers to Windows 2000. But I've run into a problem: under Windows 2000, and using the OCS printer driver, Microsoft Word crashes (actually displays "winword.exe has generated errors") every time we try to select a new font from the "Format" menu. Occasionally, doing any other tasks with the "Format" box (e.g. changing text size or color) will also crash Microsoft Word. (Interestingly enough, changing the fonts from the Toolbar doesn't crash Word). If I use a regular printer driver as opposed to going through the OCS system printer driver), Microsoft Word doesn't crash. I'm about ready to go back to Office 97 and see if it has that same problem... Anyone else out there have problem w/OCS? Thanks -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From lytlea at oclc.org Thu Feb 21 07:24:17 2002 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:17 2005 Subject: Reminder: Upcoming OCLC Institute Seminars Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC537F04D@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] REMINDER: Registration deadlines are approaching for OCLC Institute Seminars in April, 2002. Knowledge Management: Methods & Systems April 22-24, 2002 University of Nevada, Las Vegas Early-Bird Deadline: March 15, 2002 Final Registration Deadline: April 1, 2002 Cost: $400 - OCLC Members Early-Bird price Details available at: http://www.oclc.org/institute/calander/location/las_vegas.htm Seminar Focus: Examining knowledge management from a library perspective; how to use knowledge management to tackle institutional problems, hands-on experience in using a knowledge management system. Planning in a Time of Rapid Technological Change April 25-26, 2002 Oglebay Resort & Conference Center, Wheeling, WV Co-Sponsors: PALINET & OHIONET Early-Bird Deadline: March 15, 2002 Final Registration Deadline: April 4, 2002 Cost: $400 - OCLC Members Early-Bird price Details available at: http://www.oclc.org/institute/calander/location/wheeling.htm Seminar Focus: Addressing the questions: Are you managing change or reacting to it? How do you plan for long-term resource allocation of both people and systems in a rapidly shifting technological environment? ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Feb 21 10:02:57 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:17 2005 Subject: This Week in ResearchBuzz #170 -- February 21, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020221100236.01f96b80@pop.mindspring.com> This week In ResearchBuzz #170 -- February 21, 2002 Good morning, Following are the headlines from this week's ResearchBuzz, issue #170 -- http://www.researchbuzz.com . The links beneath each headline lead directly to the article. * Google Revamping AdWords Program http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#googlerevamping * Minnesota Death Certificate Search http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#minnesotadeath * One Ringy-Dingy, Two Ringy-Dingy ... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#oneringy * Finding Photography Archives On the Web http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#findingphotography * Looking for Lincoln in All The Right Places http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#lookingfor * Northern Light Still Leaving the Light On http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#northernlight * Duke University offers Medicine and Madison Avenue http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#dukeuniversity * Diary of Horatio Nelson Taft at LOC http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb14feb20.html#diaryof From junus at MAIL.LIB.MSU.EDU Thu Feb 21 10:50:34 2002 From: junus at MAIL.LIB.MSU.EDU (Ranti Junus) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:17 2005 Subject: FW: 1st Annual Open Source Content Management Systems Conference - Zurich, March 21-22 Message-ID: <34B8C200BD3C8D409A3F1DF08F9C95950166E10F@mail.lib.msu.edu> [cross posted. my apology to anybody who received this as multiple postings.] Below is a conference on open source Content Management System (CMS) that might interest some of you. regards, ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823, USA +1.517.353.8587 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brendan Quinn [mailto:brendan@clueful.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:12 AM > To: cms-list@camworld.com > Subject: [cms-list] 1st Annual Open Source Content Management Systems > Conference - Zurich, March 21-22 > > > Apologies if I've missed it, but I don't think this has been > announced to the group yet... > > First Annual Open Source Content Management Systems Conference > http://conference.wyona.org/ > > First Annual Conference of Open Source Content Management Systems > > On 21 and 22 March 2002 developers of content management systems from > the world over will meet in Zurich for the First Open Source Content > Management Systems Conference. All participants adhere to the open > source spirit: the source code and therefore the results of > their labor are available for free to anyone. Low costs and a large > degree of vendor independence have lead to a growing share of open source > software in the content management systems market. > > Six fully operable programs are already available on the > market: Cofax (US), Midgard (Finland), MMBase (Netherlands), OpenCms > (Germany), Wyona (Switzerland) and Zope (US). Some of these are used > worldwide. On the first day of the conference, each of the six programs > will be presented by their respective developers. On the second day, three > frameworks that are used in conjunction with content management software > will also be presented by their respective (co-)developers. These are Cocoon, > Infozone and Axkit. > > The event is organized by the wyona.org Society. The society's goals are > the dissemination of the Wyona CMS and the promotion of knowledge-sharing > between developers of different open source content management systems. > > The conference will be held on 21 and 22 March 2002 at the > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zurich. The conference fee > is US$ 300; reduced fee for students. More information is available at > http://conference.wyona.org or at phone +41-1-272 91 61. > > The conference will be mainly a developer's conference, but > all others are very welcome as well. > > -- > Brendan Quinn brendan@clueful.com.au > Clueful Consulting Pty Ltd Phone +61 4 0076 0077 > GPO Box 2747EE within Australia: 0400 760 077 > Melbourne, Australia http://www.clueful.com.au/brendan/ > > -------------------------- > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.camworld.com/cms/ > More Info: http://cms.filsa.net/ > Posting Address: cms-list@camworld.com > From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Fri Feb 22 07:57:41 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: Hacking documentary Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020222075712.00aa5c10@pop3.norton.antivirus> Have folks seen this site? http://www.msnbc.com//modules/hack_attack/hach.htm Educational perhaps? Isabel From diane at kovacs.com Fri Feb 22 12:14:18 2002 From: diane at kovacs.com (Diane K. Kovacs) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: _Directory of Scholarly and Professional E-Conferences_ is back online Message-ID: _Directory of Scholarly and Professional E-Conferences_ (aka Acadlists, Kovacs' Directory, Directory of Academic discussion lists etc) After nearly a year offline the Directory - as of 02/22/02 - is again fully online at http://www.kovacs.com/directory . It is still freely available for searching. Thank you all very much those who contacted me and asked for the Directory to be made available once again. This has always been a labor of love for me. Without your good wishes and interest the Directory may have been simply discontinued. It is now hosted fully on my own secure site and I will be able to corrections and additions in real-time now. Cordially, Di Kovacs Note: The Search database is uploaded but we still have some clean-up to do. If you are the moderator, owner, editor, of a specific entry or entries please do e-mail me with corrections and additions. If you have a discussion list for us to add please read the "Scope of the Directory" and send the information to me organized by the format that we use in the database. We do not include newsletters, ezines etc.. and all entries must be of scholarly or of professional interest in the opinion of the Directory Team members. Genealogical Research on the Web 2002 Neal-Schuman http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/1/281.html Diane K. Kovacs - Kovacs Consulting Internet & World Wide Web Training From schang at bridgew.edu Fri Feb 22 13:53:05 2002 From: schang at bridgew.edu (Chang, Sheau-Hwang) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: Two temporary positions: Reference and Collection Librarians at B ridgewater, MA Message-ID: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E750507C553A4@mailhost.bridgew.edu> Please excuse cross-postings. Assistant/Associate Reference Librarian (Temporary, MSCA Bargaining Unit Position) Core Duties: 1. Instruction in the use of electronic and traditional resources to faculty, students and staff of the college. 2. Conduct workshops to facilitate the use of electronic resources. 3. Teach information literacy classes as scheduled. 4. Instruct classes in research strategy and the use of library resources. 5. Work with faculty to coordinate library instruction with course content. 6. Responsible for collection development for the reference area. 7. Systematically review the collections. 8. Select the materials for the reference collection from review sources. 9. Serve as liaison librarian to assigned academic department. Communicate with faculty for their input in the development of the library collection for the specific department. 10. Keep department informed of new library resources available in their field. Qualifications: Required: 1. MLS from ALA-accredited library program required. 2. Excellent organizational and interpersonal skills to work with faculty, students and colleagues in a team approach required. 3. Good oral/written communication skills and organizational skills required. 4. Knowledge of electronic and network-based information resources and technologies required. 5. Thorough knowledge of and experience with print and online resources. Preferred: A strong motivation and desire to move forward in the application of new technologies and network-based information resources through the application of creative approaches and innovative ideas to new challenges and traditional issues. Assistant/Associate Librarian, Collection Management/Serials (Temporary, MSCA Bargaining Unit Position) Core Duties 1. Evaluate and develop the library's collection of serials and electronic databases in a team environment as the library moves forward in the application of new technologies 2. Initiate and maintain effective working relationships with serial and database vendors. 3. Evaluate, negotiate, and maintain file of license agreements and contracts for electronic subscriptions. 4. Coordinate binding budget, policies and procedures. 5. Prepare the annual budget for serials and electronic resources. Monitor the expenditure of funds, maintain records, and recommend budget adjustments. 6. Oversee preparation of subscription invoices for payment through internal College systems. 7. Prepare statistical data, budget reports and projections. 8. Implement and manage serials applications in the Endeavor-based Library Management System, including check-in, claim reports, budget management, etc. and develop activities to promote the use of the LMS and other web- and network-based tools. 9. Work cooperatively with the Catalog and Collection Development Librarians to set general policies and procedures for efficient workflow. 10. Evaluate serial gifts and administer a periodical exchange program. 11. Manage and maintain both the physical journal and microform collections as well as the electronic resources. 12. Assist patrons with use of the collection. 13. Develop and maintain various lists of serials for staff and patron use. 14. Serve as library liaison to one or more academic departments. 15. Serve as a member of the professional staff and carry out other tasks in the Library as time and schedule permit. This will include selected time at the reference desk, work on Library committees and staff meetings. 16. Represent the Library on campus or intercampus committees. 17. Keep abreast and current with changes in the management of information resources through participation in electronic-based discussions, review of professional literature and attendance at professional meetings and conferences, regionally and nationally. Qualifications: 1. MLS from ALA-accredited library program required. 2. Strong interpersonal skills to work with faculty, students and colleagues in a team approach required. 3. Good oral/written communication skills and organizational skills required. 4. Strong knowledge of electronic and network-based information resources, technologies and licensing parameters required. 5. Prior experience with serials control in library management systems, preferably Endeavor, required. 6. Supervisory experience preferred. Salary dependent upon qualifications and experience. Please visit the Web site at for details. To apply: Submit letter of interest, resume and names, addresses, telephone numbers, and five professional references to: The Office of Human Resources Boyden Hall, Room 103 Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 From lbell927 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 15:39:52 2002 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: PDA Conference for Librarians Message-ID: <20020222203952.60264.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> OSF Saint Francis Medical Center Library & Resource Center and the University of Illinois at Chicago Library of the Health Sciences-Peoria are pleased to announce a pda conference for librarians: “Point of Care to Your Palm: PDAs Playing in Peoria!” The conference will take place on Friday, June 7, at the University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria as the culmination of an LSTA grant project funded by the Illinois State Library, a division of the Office of the Secretary of State. Keynote speaker for the conference is Mari Stoddard, Head of Educational Services at the University of Arizona’s Health Sciences Library in Tucson. Her keynote speech will address current and future trends of pdas in the library and health care professions. Ms. Stoddard is widely known throughout the library field for her expertise on handheld computing. Besides creating and teaching a series of workshops on palmtops at the health sciences library, she has presented workshops and papers on palmtops and information management to the American Medical Informatics Association, Medical Library Association, American Library Association, and the Alliance for Innovation in Science and Technology Information. The conference will start at 8:00 A.M. and end at 4:30 P.M. Topics to be covered include an introduction to and basics of pdas; an overview of medical applications for the pda; selecting and evaluating medical content for the pda; integrating pdas into library services and support; and vendor demos. The day will also include a panel discussion of the grant project, viewpoints on pda use, and the library role in pdas from pda users and clinicians. Other speakers include: Carol Galganski, Manager, Library & Resource Center, OSF Saint Francis Medical Center; Jo Dorsch, Health Sciences Librarian, University of Illinois at Chicago Library of the Health Sciences-Peoria; Lori Bell, Medical Librarian, OSF Saint Francis Medical Center; Peg Burnette, Reference/Systems Librarian, University of Illinois at Chicago Library of the Health Sciences-Peoria; and Tom Peters, Director of the Center for Library Initiatives, Committee on Institutional Cooperation. The only cost of the conference is $25.00 to cover lunch and refreshment costs. For more information and a flyer on the conference, contact Lori Bell, OSF Saint Francis Medical Center, Library & Resource Center, 530 NE Glen Oak Ave., Peoria, IL 61637, (309) 655-2269, or lori.bell@osfhealthcare.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From cbearden at rice.edu Fri Feb 22 17:14:25 2002 From: cbearden at rice.edu (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: 3rd party ASP implementations Message-ID: I'm interested in knowing about any 3rd party implementations of Active Server Pages, for Win32, Linux, or Solaris, running with webservers other than MS IIS. The licensing could be commercial, open-source, or something in between. I'm aware of Chili!Soft and Apache::ASP, though I don't know the first thing about how well they work or how comprehensively they implement the framework. Any comments in this direction would be welcome as well. Thanks, Chuck Bearden ====================================================================== Chuck Bearden Library Systems Programmer/Analyst Rice University cbearden@rice.edu 713.348.3634 713.348.5862 (fax) ====================================================================== From cbailey at uh.edu Fri Feb 22 17:11:14 2002 From: cbailey at uh.edu (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: Version 41, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography Message-ID: <0GRY00EGKGO6LD@mail.uh.edu> Version 41 of the Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography is now available. This selective bibliography presents over 1,550 articles, books, and other printed and electronic sources that are useful in understanding scholarly electronic publishing efforts on the Internet. HTML: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.html Acrobat: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.pdf Word 2000: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.doc The HTML document is designed for interactive use. Each major section is a separate file. There are links to sources that are freely available on the Internet. It can be can be searched using Boolean operators. The HTML document includes three sections not found in the Acrobat or Word files: (1) Archive (prior versions of the bibliography), (2) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources (related Web sites), and (3) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog (frequently updated list of new resources). http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/sepa.htm http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepr.htm http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepw.htm The Acrobat and Word files are designed for printing. The printed bibliography is over 125 pages long. The Acrobat file is over 340 KB and the Word file is over 500 KB. The bibliography has the following sections (revised sections are marked with an asterisk): Table of Contents 1 Economic Issues* 2 Electronic Books and Texts 2.1 Case Studies and History* 2.2 General Works* 2.3 Library Issues* 3 Electronic Serials 3.1 Case Studies and History* 3.2 Critiques 3.3 Electronic Distribution of Printed Journals* 3.4 General Works* 3.5 Library Issues* 3.6 Research* 4 General Works* 5 Legal Issues 5.1 Intellectual Property Rights* 5.2 License Agreements* 5.3 Other Legal Issues 6 Library Issues 6.1 Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata* 6.2 Digital Libraries* 6.3 General Works* 6.4 Information Conversion, Integrity, and Preservation* 7 New Publishing Models* 8 Publisher Issues* 8.1 Digital Rights Management* Appendix A. Related Bibliographies by the Same Author Appendix B. About the Author Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources includes the following sections: Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata Digital Libraries Electronic Books and Texts* Electronic Serials* General Electronic Publishing* Images Legal* Preprints Preservation* Publishers SGML and Related Standards An article about the bibliography has been published in The Journal of Electronic Publishing: http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/07-02/bailey.html Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Systems, University of Houston, Library Administration, 114 University Libraries, Houston, TX 77204-2000. E-mail: cbailey@uh.edu. Voice: (713) 743-9804. Fax: (713) 743-9811. http://info.lib.uh.edu/cwb/bailey.htm From ma35 at evansville.edu Fri Feb 22 17:29:57 2002 From: ma35 at evansville.edu (Atwater-Singer, Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: Hi. I've been asked to create an icon/image for our Ask-A-Librarian email ref service. I would like to icon to be intuitive and that's where I get stumped. Does anyone use an icon/image for their email service? Cheers, Margaret M a r g a r e t A t w a t e r - S i n g e r Reference/Instruction Librarian University of Evansville 1800 Lincoln Avenue Evansville, IN 47722 812-479-2487 ma35@evansville.edu From gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us Fri Feb 22 18:09:30 2002 From: gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us (Gillian Wiseman) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: <1696CF7D130DD511AA7F0002B3029A66019D2CF8@WACONT> No, when I created an icon for our library catalog, the patrons could never find it. It was a picture of an old-fashioned library catalog cabinet, with one drawer open partway, and the library cards showing. It had the words "Click Here for Library Catalog" around it. Patrons said "Oh, I thought it was an ad for furniture" (!). I am going to be switching to a new icon in future; a book open in front of a computer screen. Maybe it will be more obvious?? Anybody have any better suggestions? Gillian Wiseman Electronic Resources Librarian Waco-McLennan County Library -----Original Message----- From: Atwater-Singer, Margaret To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 2/22/02 4:42 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Hi. I've been asked to create an icon/image for our Ask-A-Librarian email ref service. I would like to icon to be intuitive and that's where I get stumped. Does anyone use an icon/image for their email service? Cheers, Margaret M a r g a r e t A t w a t e r - S i n g e r Reference/Instruction Librarian University of Evansville 1800 Lincoln Avenue Evansville, IN 47722 812-479-2487 ma35@evansville.edu From george at library.caltech.edu Fri Feb 22 18:51:07 2002 From: george at library.caltech.edu (george@library.caltech.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA3676CF4849@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> Clueless curmudgeon alert!!! Why, oh why must there be icons and graphics designed and applied all over the place? If they add value through: increasing clarity enhancing website "stickiness" [insert other favorable outcome here, my well has run dry] then by all means, use 'em. BUT, the gains need to outweigh the potential losses: increased confusion longer load times accessibility issues (visit Bobby http://cast.org/bobby) too cute for their own good (applies to icons and names of services, even in text) [also not an exhaustive list, keep going -- your detractors will] I've heard of far too many services that were ham strung while waiting for a nifty name and even niftier logo, before they were allowed to start providing needed functions to the target clientele. Food for thought, I hope. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science Caltech, 1-43 Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu Fri Feb 22 19:01:59 2002 From: Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu (Beers, Lonna) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: TX Distance Learning Asso Annual Conference April 2-4, 2002 Message-ID: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A01F76D0F@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> Please excuse duplicate postings... TxDLA 2002--On the Right Track April 2-4, 2002 Westin Beechwood (near the Texas Motor Speedway!) Ft. Worth, Texas Warning! Warning! Be advised that early bird registration (which entitles you to a reduced conference registration fee) closes March 2. (Just a little over a week away!) Early registration at the Westin closes March 8. Program and online registration now available at the website: http://www.txdla.org/events/2002Conf/ ~Marketing Committee TxDLA 2002--On the Right Track Laurel Mayo, Chair mailto:laurel@distance.uta.edu Lonna J. Beers Librarian & Web Administrator The University Center 3232 College Park Drive Conroe, TX 77384 936.273.7562 (office) 936.273.7616 (fax) lonna.beers@nhmccd.edu http://www.tuc.edu/lrc From raywood at magma.ca Fri Feb 22 20:21:37 2002 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3rd party ASP implementations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020223012137.GB794@magma.ca> On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 02:15:33PM -0800, Chuck Bearden imagined: > I'm interested in knowing about any 3rd party implementations of > Active Server Pages, for Win32, Linux, or Solaris, running with > webservers other than MS IIS. The licensing could be commercial, > open-source, or something in between. > > I'm aware of Chili!Soft and Apache::ASP, though I don't know the > first thing about how well they work or how comprehensively they > implement the framework. Any comments in this direction would be > welcome as well. PHP =) Cheers, Raymond -- "You deserve to be able to cooperate openly and freely with other people who use software. You deserve free software." -Richard M. Stallman, Free Software Foundation, http://www.fsf.org From araby at unr.edu Fri Feb 22 20:16:53 2002 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3rd party ASP implementations References: Message-ID: <008001c1bc07$ccafc9b0$493cc586@greenea> A short article that evaluates Chili!Soft ASP with Unix: http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/990304.htm ________________________ Araby Greene araby@unr.edu Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 Univ. of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Bearden" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3rd party ASP implementations > > I'm interested in knowing about any 3rd party implementations of > Active Server Pages, for Win32, Linux, or Solaris, running with > webservers other than MS IIS. The licensing could be commercial, > open-source, or something in between. > > I'm aware of Chili!Soft and Apache::ASP, though I don't know the > first thing about how well they work or how comprehensively they > implement the framework. Any comments in this direction would be > welcome as well. > > Thanks, > Chuck Bearden > ====================================================================== > Chuck Bearden Library Systems Programmer/Analyst Rice University > cbearden@rice.edu 713.348.3634 713.348.5862 (fax) > ====================================================================== > > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Feb 22 21:57:29 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BD06@mail1.morrisville.edu> What's wrong with text? Bill Drew From Sarah_Graham at emerson.edu Sun Feb 24 13:52:15 2002 From: Sarah_Graham at emerson.edu (Sarah Graham) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: <944DF29E9C57194E8AECBB15FE5306CAD329C7@mail2k.emerson.edu> Ever heard the cliche "a picture is worth a thousand words"? Marketers and computer interface designers have known for a long time that icons perform important functions in our world. For example, think about how many complex commands and functions are represented on your MS Word toolbar. Then imagine how awful that toolbar would be if it was all words and not images. We are all familiar with the printer icon meaning, "send document to the printer" - it works well because it represents a simple action. Icons don't work well when they involve tricky metaphors... because you're defeating the role of an icon as a visual representation of an activity, function, or in the case of computers, command. Icons also work best when you use images that are familiar to people. If I saw a book in front of a computer I wouldn't know what the heck it meant (and would probably guess "ebooks") - and confusion often means you frustrate and lose the attention of your user. I would suggest that if you want to represent your ask a librarian service with an icon, you may want a picture of a librarian. Or better yet, perhaps a question mark--the universal symbol for help. But remember that it is rarely helpful to create your own new iconographic system, icons work best when they work with the users familiarity. Edward Tufte has written a lot about theories of presenting information. I recommend, _Envisioning Information_ (Graphics Press, 1990) and _Visual explanations: images and quantities, evidence and narrative_ (Graphics Press, 1997). Sarah Graham Coordinator of Web Development/Reference Librarian Emerson College Library Boston, MA 02116 -----Original Message----- From: Gillian Wiseman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 2/23/2002 10:37 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service The only reason our library page has an icon is that there is enough text already on the page (most of it not my choice!) that the icon was an attempt to make it stand out. If you want to see the page, it is: http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/libraryservices/libraryservices.htm I didn't design the page. It is maintained by the city of waco Public Information office. I just make suggestions and offer advice and provide informational updates. It's sad! Gillian Wiseman Electronic Resources Librarian Waco-McLennan County Library -----Original Message----- From: george@library.caltech.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 2/22/02 5:55 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service Clueless curmudgeon alert!!! Why, oh why must there be icons and graphics designed and applied all over the place? If they add value through: increasing clarity enhancing website "stickiness" [insert other favorable outcome here, my well has run dry] then by all means, use 'em. BUT, the gains need to outweigh the potential losses: increased confusion longer load times accessibility issues (visit Bobby http://cast.org/bobby) too cute for their own good (applies to icons and names of services, even in text) [also not an exhaustive list, keep going -- your detractors will] I've heard of far too many services that were ham strung while waiting for a nifty name and even niftier logo, before they were allowed to start providing needed functions to the target clientele. Food for thought, I hope. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science Caltech, 1-43 Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sun Feb 24 18:52:46 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:21 2005 Subject: CFP: CoopIS 2002 Message-ID: <3C797CCE.257C5CA7@cs.brown.edu> --Apologies if you receive this multiple times-- 3rd CALL FOR PAPERS =================== Tenth International Conference on Cooperative Information Systems (CoopIS 2002) October 30 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/coopis/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press The Cooperative Information System (CIS) paradigm has been growing and gaining substantial importance in technological infrastructure (e.g., middleware and Web technologies) and application areas (e.g., e-Commerce, e-Government, virtual enterprises). CoopIS is the leading conference for researchers and practitioners in CIS. CoopIS brings together researchers from a variety of disciplines such as collaborative work, Internet data management, electronic commerce, human-computer interaction, agent technologies, and software architectures. We encourage papers that emphasize cooperation across multiple areas. CoopIS 2002 is a joint event with two other conferences organized within the global theme "On the Move to meaningful Internet Systems 2002: Distributed Object and Applications (DOA) and Ontologies, Databases and Applications of Semantics (ODBASE). All three events will be hosted in Irvine during the week October 28 - November 1, 2002. More details about the federated event can be found at http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf. The CoopIS 2002 has the theme Cooperation in Ubiquitous Computing. We see an increasing number of computing systems and devices connected everywhere. The central issue in this vision is the need for these computing systems and devices to cooperate. We are particularly interested in contributions that relate to the issue of cooperation everywhere. Of course, submissions on all topics related to cooperative information systems are encouraged, including (but not limited to) the following: * Software and information services for CIS Web information systems and services Middleware technologies, mediators, and wrappers Interoperability, XML, semantic interoperability Multi-databases and workflow Mobile and wireless systems and protocols Ubiquitous computing environments and tools Human-Computer Interactions Security, privacy, trust, and quality of information * Agent technologies, systems and architectures for CIS Markets, auctions, exchanges, and coalitions Negotiation protocols, matchmaking, and brokering Multi-agents and agent societies Self-organizing systems, service description Learning, perception, and actions in agents Distributed problem solving, peer-to-peer cooperation * CIS applications and modeling E-commerce, e-government, supply chain Use of information in organizations Computer-supported cooperative work Enterprise knowledge management Data and knowledge modeling PAPER SUBMISSION GUIDELINES All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Calton Pu Stefano Spaccapietra Georgia Tech EPFL USA Switzerland calton@cc.gatech.edu stefano.spaccapietra@epfl.ch Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Panel Chair Amit Sheth University of Georgia, USA Organization Chair Douglas Schmidt DARPA and U. Irvine, USA Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee Dave Abel (CSIRO, Australia) Carlo Batini (U. Roma La Sapienza, Italy) Karin Becker (PUCRGS, Brazil) Mic Bowman (Intel, USA) Omran Bukhres (Purdue U. School of Science, USA) Ming-Syan Chen (National Taiwan U., Taiwan) Phil Cohen (OGI, USA) Panos Constantopoulos (U. of Crete and Forth, Greece) Umesh Dayal (HP Labs, USA) Antonio Di Leva (U. of Torino, Italy) Anne Doucet (U. Paris VI, France) Marie-Christine Fauvet (U. of Grenoble-France & UNSW Sydney-Australia) Timothy Finin (U. Maryland, USA) Avigdor Gal (Technion, Israel) Li Gong (SUN, China) Jean-Luc Hainaut (FUNDP, Belgium) Arthur ter Hofstede (QUT, Australia) Chun-Nan Hsu (Acad. Sinica, China) Michael Huhns (U. South Carolina, USA) Richard Hull (Lucent Bell Labs, USA) Yahiko Kambayashi (U. Kyoto, Japan) Larry Kerschberg (GMU, USA) Masaru Kitsuregawa (U. Tokyo, Japan) David Kotz (Dartmouth. USA) Steven Laufmann (Qwest, USA) Dik-Lun Lee (HKUST, Hong Kong) Michael Luck (University of Southampton, UK) Stuart Madnick (MIT, USA) Toshiyuki Masui (Sony CSL, Japan) Dennis McLeod (USC, USA) Claudia Medeiros (Unicamp, Brazil) JohnMylopolous (U. Toronto, Canada) Clifford Neuman (ISI-USC, USA) Shojiro Nishio (Osaka U., Japan) Moira Norrie (ETHZ, Switzerland) Maria E. Orlowska (University of Queensland, Australia) Maurizio Panti (U. Ancona, Italy) Christine Parent (U. Lausanne, Switzerland) Barbara Pernici (Politecnico di Milano, Italy) Louiqa Raschid (U. Maryland, USA) Tore Risch (Uppsala U., Sweden) Marek Rusinkiewicz (Telcordia, USA) Felix Saltor (U. Poli. Catalunya, Spain) Jean Scholtz (NIST, USA) Thad Starner (Georgia Tech, USA) Norbert Streitz (GMD/Fraunhofer, Germany) Bhavani Thuraisingham (NSF, USA) Hideyuki Tokuda (Keio U., Japan) W.M.P. van der (Eindhoven U. T., The Netherlands) Kyu-Young Whang (KAIST, South Korea) Mike Wooldridge (University of Liverpool, UK) Jian Yang (Tilburg U., The Netherlands) Masatoshi Yoshikawa (Nara AIST, Japan) Philip Yu (IBM Watson, USA) From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sun Feb 24 18:49:52 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:21 2005 Subject: CFP: ODBASE 2002 Message-ID: <3C797C20.7FA690E2@cs.brown.edu> --Apologies if you receive this multiple times-- 3rd CALL FOR PAPERS =================== International Conference on Ontologies, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics for Large Scale Information Systems (ODBASE) October 29 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/odbase/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press A key challenge in making the Internet and the Web a more friendly and productive place is to fill more meaning to the vast and continuously growing amount of data on the Net. This is a vision that is shared both by the Worl Wide Web community, incarnated by the notion of the ?Semantic Web? coined by Tim Berners Lee, and researchers from a number of areas including data and knowledge engineering, databases, intelligent agent systems, information retrieval, information sciences and linguistics. The claim is that the emergence of meaning that is associated with data and documents found on the Internet will boost diverse applications such as e-commerce, enterprise and information integration, knowledge engineering, geographic information systems, digital libraries, ubiquitous computing, and intelligent information access. Data semantics and ontologies for large-scale information systems have become an important topic in research communities across several displines, research funding agencies, as well as various industries. The international conference on Ontologies, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics intends to create a forum to exchange views, ideas and experiences on ontologies and data semantics from different disciplines. A goal of the ODBASE conference is to bring researchers from databases, Semantic Web, and knowledge management together to discuss specific problems and promising approaches to providing more meaning for the growing amount of data on the Internet and in ubiquitous computing. A unique character of the ODBASE conferences is its specialization on data semantic issues for very large ontology and Internet systems, and its strong emphasis on interdisciplinarity and practical applicability of systems, tools and methods for supporting semantics in large-scale information systems. The program committee of ODBASE 2002 consists of leading experts from diverse discplines including formal ontology, databases, geographic information systems, library science, logic, and knowledge management. We have special interest in papers that bridge traditionally separated areas such as databases, intelligent systems, and knowledge engineering, and papers that address issues of scalability in data semantics on the Internet and ubiquitous computing systems. ODBASE'02 is part of the Federated Symposium Event that is organized within the global theme "On the Move to Meaningful Internet Systems and Ubiquitous Computing 2002". This federated event co-locates three related and complementary successful conferences in the areas of Intelligent Networked Information Systems, covering key issues in Data and Web Semantics (ODBASE'02), Distributed Objects, Infrastructure and Enabling Technology and Internet Computing (DOA'02), and Workflow, Cooperation, and Interoperability (CoopIS'02), as required for the deployment of Internet- and Intranet-based systems in organizations and for e-business. More details about this federated event can be found at http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf. Areas of interest of ODBASE'02 include but are not limited to: * Representation and Storage: Information, Data and Knowledge Modeling Ontology Languages Hypertext and Hypermedia Semi-Structured Data Multimedia Data and Metadata Semantics of E-Services Management of Large Knowledge Repositories Management and Integration of Large Ontology Bases Metadata Repositories Semantic Middleware * Construction and Methodologies: Database Integration E-Service Integration Searching and Managing Dynamic Contents Data and Web Mining Intelligent Information Agents Information Retrieval Filtering and Summarization Multimedia Metadata Annotation Ontology Extraction and Learning Self-organization in Information Systems * Applications and Evaluation: Semantic Web Domain/Application Ontology Ontology of Information Processing Electronic Commerce Digital Libraries Media Archives Enterprise-wide Information Systems Web-based Information Systems Location-dependent information services Web Services and Service Interoperability Information Dissemination Ubiquitous and Mobile Information Systems IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 SUBMISSION GUIDELINES All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. Papers that bridge two or more areas should be marked as BRIDGE papers. They will be reviewed jointly by the appropriate PC sub-areas. All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Karl Aberer Ling Liu Robert A. Meersman LSIR (Distributed College of VUB (Vrije Information Systems Computing, Universiteit Laboratory) Georgia Tech Brussel) EPFL, CH-1015 801 Atlantic Dr. Department of Lausanne, Atlanta, GA Computer Science Switzerland 30332-0280, USA STARlab, Building karl.aberer@epfl.ch lingliu@cc.gatech.edu F-G/10 Pleinlaan 2 B-1050 Brussels Belgium meersman@vub.ac.be Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Organising Chair Douglas Schmit University of California, Irvine Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee Members Christoph Bussler Oracle, USA Tiziana Catarci University of Rome, Italy Arbee Chen National Dong Hwa University, Taiwan Vassilis Christophides FORTH, Greece Terence Critchlow LLNL, USA Stefan Decker Stanford University, USA Tharam Dillon Hong Kong Polytechnic Univ., China J?r?me Euzenat INRIA, France Dieter Fensel Vrije Univ. Amsterdam, Netherlands Avigdor Gal Technion, Israel James Geller NJIT, USA Dimitrios Georgakopoulos Telcordia, USA Nicola Guarino CNR, Italy Terry Halpin Microsoft, USA Kamal Karlapalem IIIT, India Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Manolis Koubarakis University of Crete, Greece Maurizio Lenzerini University of Rome, Italy Tok Wang Ling Ling Univ. of Singapore, Singapore Alexander Maedche FZI Karlsruhe, Germany Leo Mark Georgia Tech, USA Luigi Mazzucchelli University of Rome, Italy Alberto Mendelzon University of Toronto, Canada Michele Missikoff CNR, Italy John Mylopoulos University of Toronto, Canada Sham Navathe Georgia Tech, USA Erich Neuhold FHG-IPSI, Germany Maria Orlowska University of Queensland, Australia Aris Ouksel University of Illinois at Chicago, USA Mike Papazoglou Tilburg University, Netherlands Qing Li City University of Hong Kong, China Michel Scholl CNAM Paris, France Amit Sheth University of Georgia, USA Keng Siau University of Nebraska-Lincoln, USA John Sowa USA Rudi Studer University Karlsruhe, Germany Katia Sycara Carnegie Mellon University, USA Changjie Tang Tang Sichaun University, China Hans Weigand Tilburg University, Netherlands John Zeleznikow University of Edinburgh, UK From Humeh at ndu.edu Mon Feb 25 06:09:21 2002 From: Humeh at ndu.edu (Hume, Howard) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: Here is a simple gif I created for "Ask A Librarian". Feel free to use if it suits you. http://www.ndu.edu/library/askalibr.gif Howard Hume Webmaster NDU Library 202-685-3949 -----Original Message----- From: Atwater-Singer, Margaret [mailto:ma35@evansville.edu] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Hi. I've been asked to create an icon/image for our Ask-A-Librarian email ref service. I would like to icon to be intuitive and that's where I get stumped. Does anyone use an icon/image for their email service? Cheers, Margaret M a r g a r e t A t w a t e r - S i n g e r Reference/Instruction Librarian University of Evansville 1800 Lincoln Avenue Evansville, IN 47722 812-479-2487 ma35@evansville.edu From LPinkham at plcmc.org Mon Feb 25 13:03:29 2002 From: LPinkham at plcmc.org (Pinkham, Lida) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Message-ID: You can check out our Ask A Librarian Page. We just used text from the main page. And we just released our Live Reference service today. Should be interesting. =) www.plcmc.org & click on "Ask a Librarian" Lida Pinkham Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County Library Resource Trainer 704-353-0631 (phone) 704-336-2677 (fax) Check out the PLCMC family of websites: http://www.plcmc.org/sharedPages/PLCMCwebSites.htm "Read the best books first, or you may not have a chance to read them at all." ~Henry David Thoreau / ) __ ~ / | )\ -----Original Message----- From: Atwater-Singer, Margaret [mailto:ma35@evansville.edu] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons/images for email reference service Hi. I've been asked to create an icon/image for our Ask-A-Librarian email ref service. I would like to icon to be intuitive and that's where I get stumped. Does anyone use an icon/image for their email service? Cheers, Margaret M a r g a r e t A t w a t e r - S i n g e r Reference/Instruction Librarian University of Evansville 1800 Lincoln Avenue Evansville, IN 47722 812-479-2487 ma35@evansville.edu From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Mon Feb 25 14:21:19 2002 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: Fwd: OS X, IE, and automatic proxy configuration scripts Message-ID: I'm forwarding this for a colleague.... -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz >From: "Judit E. Sedillos" >Subject: OS X, IE, and automatic proxy configuration scripts > >Hi, > >anybody out there with experience in successfully setting up >Internet Explorer 5.1 on Mac OSX >to use an automatic proxy configuration script (such as: >http://library.ucsc.edu/proxy/libroxy.pac)? >I've had no luck trying to set it up, even though I managed to >configure Netscape 6.2 on OS X to do the trick. (All other browsers >seem to have an option to check for "use automatic proxy >configuration script" and a field to enter a url.) > >The library provides proxy access to restricted resources through >this script. Any other platform/browser combo can be successfully >configured in a snap, but I have had no such luck with this. > >If you've done this before successfully, please don't spare me...!! > >Thanks!!! > >Judit > > >PS: >Background info on the proxy access: >http://library.ucsc.edu/access/sluglink/ > >Judit Sedillos >Computer Resource Specialist >UCSC McHenry Library >accesscomputing@library.ucsc.edu >(831) 459-4515 > >http://library.ucsc.edu/Zope/computing/help -- ================================================================== Lee David Jaffe Library Computing & Network Services 168B McHenry Library ldjaffe@cats.ucsc.edu University of California 831.459.3297 fax: 831.459.8206 Santa Cruz, California 95064 http://people.ucsc.edu/~ldjaffe From cbearden at rice.edu Mon Feb 25 15:46:25 2002 From: cbearden at rice.edu (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3rd party ASP implementations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Chuck Bearden wrote: > I'm interested in knowing about any 3rd party implementations of > Active Server Pages, for Win32, Linux, or Solaris, running with > webservers other than MS IIS. The licensing could be commercial, > open-source, or something in between. > > I'm aware of Chili!Soft and Apache::ASP, though I don't know the > first thing about how well they work or how comprehensively they > implement the framework. Any comments in this direction would be > welcome as well. Thanks to all who responded. Chili!Soft's product seems to be the only one folks on web4lib are using. To those who pointed me to PHP: thank-you, I already use PHP for web development, and would myself recommend it to others. I'm helping a friend who needs to investigate ASP implementations not requiring MS IIS. PHP may well be considered alongside ASP (I will certainly recommend that it be), but it may be that the developers already know VB, so that ASP makes more sense for them. Thanks again, Chuck ====================================================================== Chuck Bearden Library Systems Programmer/Analyst Rice University cbearden@rice.edu 713.348.3634 713.348.5862 (fax) ====================================================================== From raywood at magma.ca Mon Feb 25 17:50:18 2002 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3rd party ASP implementations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020225225017.GA595@magma.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:03:48PM -0800, Chuck Bearden imagined: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Chuck Bearden wrote: > > I'm interested in knowing about any 3rd party implementations of > > Active Server Pages, for Win32, Linux, or Solaris, running with > > webservers other than MS IIS. The licensing could be commercial, > > open-source, or something in between. > > > > I'm aware of Chili!Soft and Apache::ASP, though I don't know the > > first thing about how well they work or how comprehensively they > > implement the framework. Any comments in this direction would be > > welcome as well. > Thanks to all who responded. Chili!Soft's product seems to be the > only one folks on web4lib are using. > > To those who pointed me to PHP: thank-you, I already use PHP for web > development, and would myself recommend it to others. I'm helping a > friend who needs to investigate ASP implementations not requiring MS > IIS. PHP may well be considered alongside ASP (I will certainly > recommend that it be), but it may be that the developers already know > VB, so that ASP makes more sense for them. If they already know ASP, then surely a migration to PHP isn't all that onerous. The important thing is that they 'stop the madness', as soon as possible. I know, I know, to a M$ addict, any such logical argument is still perceived to be a threat of some kind... Try to wean them off their habit gently - remind them that it is important to consider the long-term investment of time, energy, and knowledge. =) Cheers, Raymond -- "You deserve to be able to cooperate openly and freely with other people who use software. You deserve free software." -Richard M. Stallman, Free Software Foundation, http://www.fsf.org From southerr at usfca.edu Mon Feb 25 16:52:10 2002 From: southerr at usfca.edu (Randy Souther) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fwd: OS X, IE, and automatic proxy configuration scripts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As with Explorer 5 and Mac OS 9, it can't be configured to use the proxy you're using. Innovative Interfaces, which I believe is your catalog vendor, is beta testing a different remote access system which does not require the automatic proxy configuration. For this they have licensed technology from EZProxy; we're using it now, and a few bugs aside, it is working great. Randy Souther Gleeson Library | Geschke Center University of San Francisco On 2/25/02 11:46 AM, "Lee Jaffe" wrote: > I'm forwarding this for a colleague.... -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz > >> From: "Judit E. Sedillos" >> Subject: OS X, IE, and automatic proxy configuration scripts >> >> Hi, >> >> anybody out there with experience in successfully setting up >> Internet Explorer 5.1 on Mac OSX >> to use an automatic proxy configuration script (such as: >> http://library.ucsc.edu/proxy/libroxy.pac)? >> I've had no luck trying to set it up, even though I managed to >> configure Netscape 6.2 on OS X to do the trick. (All other browsers >> seem to have an option to check for "use automatic proxy >> configuration script" and a field to enter a url.) >> >> The library provides proxy access to restricted resources through >> this script. Any other platform/browser combo can be successfully >> configured in a snap, but I have had no such luck with this. >> >> If you've done this before successfully, please don't spare me...!! >> >> Thanks!!! >> >> Judit >> >> >> PS: >> Background info on the proxy access: >> http://library.ucsc.edu/access/sluglink/ >> >> Judit Sedillos >> Computer Resource Specialist >> UCSC McHenry Library >> accesscomputing@library.ucsc.edu >> (831) 459-4515 >> >> http://library.ucsc.edu/Zope/computing/help From jlenze at tln.lib.mi.us Mon Feb 25 16:51:52 2002 From: jlenze at tln.lib.mi.us (James B Lenze KC8NNU) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: icons/images for email reference service In-Reply-To: <944DF29E9C57194E8AECBB15FE5306CAD329C7@mail2k.emerson.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Sarah Graham wrote: > Ever heard the cliche "a picture is worth a thousand words"? Marketers and > computer interface designers have known for a long time that icons perform > important functions in our world. For example, think about how many complex > commands and functions are represented on your MS Word toolbar. Then imagine > how awful that toolbar would be if it was all words and not images. We are > all familiar with the printer icon meaning, "send document to the printer" - > it works well because it represents a simple action. > You make some good points. However, I submit that the icons on the MS toolbars work best for people already familiar with MS word or other MS office products. And the more you work with the products, the more "intuitive" the icons seem. But the newbie often has trouble figuring them out. Today, I had a patron who printed ten copies of a report because she was expecting the "print dialog" box to pop-up when she clicked that icon. She double clicked the icon. When the box didn't appear, she doubled clicked again, thinking that she hadn't done it right. After the fifth time she double clicked, she asked for help. So much for intuitive. James Lenze Garden City Library Garden City, Michigan From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Mon Feb 25 23:01:44 2002 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: University of Maryland Announces First Class in Virtual Reference Librarianship Message-ID: <20020226040144.14554.qmail@earthlink.net> Friends, colleagues and virtual reference librarians everywhere: You really know a field is coming of age when they begin to teach classes on it. And so I'm delighted to announce that the University of Maryland will be offering the first class specifically devoted to the practice of virtual reference librarianship later this Spring. Of course, there have been hundreds of meetings, talks, discussions and even a few videoconferences on the subject, but so far almost everything has focused on theoretical and start-up issues (standards, selecting software, etc.), and there has been little or nothing for the hundreds---no, make that thousands, now---of virtual reference librarians who are actually out there right now sitting in front of terminals, working with patrons online---and making it up as you go along. Well, all that will change this May 30th as the College of Information Studies of the University of Maryland, launches Virtual Reference Librarianship 1.0 --- the first class expressly designed by and for virtual reference librarians and those who aspire to become one. The class will focus on the nitty-gritty of what it is actually like to do reference live and online --- when the patron is waiting and you're the one in the hot seat. You'll learn practical facts and techniques like how long is too long to make a patron wait, how to carry-on an effective conversation in chat while you are desperately looking for an answer, alternative means of sharing information when co-browsing just won't work, useful scripts to have in your arsenal and those you can do without, how to judge when either you or the patron have had enough and it is time to get back to them later, and much more. You'll find out what we know about the kinds of questions that are best answered live and real time, and those that are not, and you'll learn about the most common mistakes virtual librarians make, and how to avoid them at least some of the time. You'll learn how to deal with some of the problems of virtual reference like patron disconnects, and the occasional abusive or harassing caller. And everyone will get a chance to try his or her skill at the Holy Grail of virtual reference, handling more than one patron at a time. Everyone is encouraged to attend, regardless of your level of experience---the only thing we ask is that you not be afraid to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty, because this is a practical course, and you will have lots of opportunity to practice. Your instructors are some of the most experienced people in this still nascent field: Dr. Eileen Abels, well-known educator and researcher on issues relating to digital and electronic information services, and one of the first to incorporate virtual reference training as part of the regular reference curriculum; Margaret Turgman, researcher par excellance, and manager of virtual reference projects at the University of Maryland, Michelle Fiander, long-time academic librarian, and now manager of LSSI's Web Reference Center---the busiest virtual reference operation on the face of the earth; and Yours Truly, who promises to shut up and let everybody else do most of the talking. As you can tell, we intend to have some fun here, but you will get a lot of work and learning accomplished too ... and if you make it all the way through, there will be six Continuing Education Units and a real (not virtual) diploma waiting for you at the end of the day. Of course, the only problem with this course, is that---although it is all about virtual reference---you actually have to physically attend it at the University of Maryland in College Park, right next to Washington DC (and just a short van ride from either Dulles or Baltimore/Washington airports). Now, the irony of this has not been lost on us, but it was the best we could do at the time. However, coming this Fall, you can look forward to a full-scale, truly virtual, virtual reference course that will be taught entirely online over the course of a full semester. So if you can't make it to DC for this one, stay tuned for forthcoming announcements, and maybe you can be first in line for the Fall. For further information or to register for the University of Maryland's Virtual Reference Librarianship 1.0, please visit the Web site at http://www.clis.umd.edu/ce/virtual02spr.html or contact Robin Albert, CE Coordinator, College of Information Studies, University of Maryland, 301-405-2057. Thanks, and we hope to see you all there. SC -- From rich at richardwiggins.com Mon Feb 25 23:04:06 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (rich@richardwiggins.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: BIOS Print/Capture Message-ID: <20020226040406.14238.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Well, by definition the BIOS screens are not under the control of the operating system, so no matter what OS you are running, the OS itself (and applications) can't help you out with a screen capture in-computer. A digital still camera could work pretty well if you can avoid glare. Another option would be to use a PC that has a video card with NTSC TV out (RCA plug or S-video), capture the boot up sequence to video tape, and use video editing software to snap stills as desired. An ATI All-in-Wonder is a common example. If you don't have a machine with that kind of card, and you don't want to install one, an outboard VGA-to-TV converter would let you do the same trick. These are pretty cheap now. Places like PC Connection carry 'em. /rich On Wed, 20 February 2002, Thomas Bennett wrote: > > Eureka, here it is. Take a picture of the screen with a digital camera, you > may have to turn off the flash. > > Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of peterson@amigos.org > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] BIOS Print/Capture > > > I'm looking for a way to print or, preferably capture to display and print, > some of my BIOS screens for a training session. I've looked through the > Web4Lib archives and tried a couple of search engines with no luck. I'm > working with a Windows 2000 Professional operating system. Can anyone > help? > > Christine Peterson > Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services > 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 > 800/843-8482 x191 (message only) > 512/671-1580 (phone and fax) > EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org _____________________________________________________ Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on the Internet rich@richardwiggins.com http://richardwiggins.com From tgillis at eou.edu Mon Feb 25 23:09:35 2002 From: tgillis at eou.edu (Theresa Gillis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:22 2005 Subject: Online Northwest this Friday March 1 Message-ID: <3C7B0A7E.8680991@eou.edu> From: Theresa Gillis Online Northwest March 1, 2002 ONLINE NORTHWEST IN EUGENE THIS FRIDAY! There is still time to register for the 19th annual Online Northwest Conference March 1 in Eugene! WHAT IS ONLINE NORTHWEST?: A one-day conference focusing on the innovative use of technology within libraries. WHEN IS THE CONFERENCE?: Friday, March 1, 2002 (this will be the 19th annual conference). WHERE IS THE CONFERENCE?: Hilton Hotel, Eugene, Oregon. WHO IS THIS YEAR'S KEYNOTE SPEAKER? Mike Eisenberg, Dean of the Information School, University of Washington WHAT TOPICS WILL BE PRESENTED? The main (broad definition) program tracks are: cutting edge technologies; applications of technologies; technology in user services; web design and development. A sample of this year's sessions includes: Information Literacy and Cyber Literacy Promoting E-Literacy @ Your Library Digitizing on the Fast Track Instructional Design for Online Modules: Models, Tips and Tricks Organizing Ready Reference and Administrative Information with the Reference Desk Manager Creating Web Portals for a Multi-type Library System Web Sites for Business Adapting TILT: Implementing the Texas Information Literacy Tutorial A full listing of programs is available at http://www.ous.edu/onlinenw/index.shtml HOW DO I REGISTER?: Register by fax or use the online submission form at: http://www.ous.edu/onlinenw/ From lytlea at oclc.org Tue Feb 26 07:00:06 2002 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: Invitation: Free Information Sessions on OCLC Institute "Steering by Standards" Videoconferences Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC537F0BE@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please distribute as appropriate.} Dear Colleague: Library systems and practices rely upon a growing array of technical standards designed to support all aspects of knowledge management. Often, new standards combine both imaginative thinking and technological innovation to produce new solutions for information managers and users. Understanding, influencing, planning for, and exploiting standards has never been more important--or more challenging--for libraries. The OCLC Institute is presenting "Steering by Standards," a series of three satellite videoconferences that will address key topics in the standards arena (http://www.oclc.org/institute/events/sbs.htm). For more information about "Steering by Standards," register for one of the following free information sessions. All you need is a Web browser and a telephone to participate. Sessions are scheduled for: Wednesday, February 27, 2002, Noon - 1:00 p.m. EST Thursday, February 28, 2002, 3:00 - 4:00 p.m. EST Friday, March 1, 2002, 9:00 - 10:00 a.m. EST Register now by visiting http://www.oclc.org/institute/registration/presentation.htm Upon submission of your registration form, you will receive the toll-free number and the URL to log into the session. For more information please contact Amy Lytle, Events Coordinator, at lytlea@oclc.org or by telephone at 800-848-5878 x 5212. Thank you for your interest! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From cmurdock at ccfls.org Tue Feb 26 09:51:14 2002 From: cmurdock at ccfls.org (c.murdock) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Cleaning those darn LCDs In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020225141945.00ae94b0@akinsdale.sapl.ab.ca> References: <3.0.6.32.20020225141945.00ae94b0@akinsdale.sapl.ab.ca> Message-ID: <20020226145246.6205.qmail@mplcat1.meadvillelibrary.org> > I'm interested in the screen guard you mentioned below. Do you have any > more information about Quill or Kantek (address, phone number). I'm having > trouble tracking this item down in Canada. Much appreciated. Here's a link for them: http://www05.quillcorp.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=048567&bcFlag=True&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=37&bcCatName=Computer+Accessories&bcDeptId=321&bcDeptName=Glare+Filters&bcClassId=504&bcClassName=Anti%2DGlare+Filters&bcSSetId=17441&bcSSetName=Kantek%AE+Inc%2E+Protective+LCD+Anti%2DGlare+Filters -- Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library/Crawford County Federated Library System http://meadvillelibrary.org & http://ccfls.org From Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org Tue Feb 26 10:13:47 2002 From: Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: Inline forms in CSS problem Message-ID: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F47EE@MAIL> Hi all, I am in the process of switching over pages I've made to use css rather than tables. I'm getting the hang of it, but have a problem with forms. I've got a menu bar across the top, with a search form to the right of that. The problem is, in Mozilla, the form is on the right hand side, but it is shifted down. Looks like there is a line break above it or something. In IE, well, you have to see it. Any help you can give a css newbie would be greatly appreciated. web page: css: Thanks! -Jody Cleveland Winnefox Library System Computer Support Specialist cleveland@mail.winnefox.org 920.236.5139 "Are you pondering what I'm pondering, Pinky?" "Wuh, I think so Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married?" From jtrant at archimuse.com Tue Feb 26 10:56:34 2002 From: jtrant at archimuse.com (J. Trant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: Museums and the Web: Regular Registration Ends Friday Message-ID: Museums and the Web 2002 April 17-20, 2002 Boston, Massachusetts, USA http://www.archimuse.com/mw2002/ Don't forget that regular registration for Museums and the Web 2002 closes March 1, 2002! MW2002 will be the place to review the state of the web in arts, culture, and heritage. The program is packed with opportunities to see best practices and new directions in museums, libraries, archives, government and the arts. Speakers from around the world will summarize their activities in sessions and panels. Pre-conference workshops provide in-depth study of methods and issues in design, development, evaluation and maintenance of heritage Web sites. Throughout MW2002, a variety of session formats including the Crit Rooms, a Usability Lab, Mini-Workshops, and Demonstrations offer diverse modes of presentation. An Exhibit Hall features the latest in commercial technology and services. A variety of evening social events ensure plenty of opportunity to build your personal network. Register on-line to take advantage of special registration rates at http://www.archimuse.com/mw2002/register/ Plan to join us in Boston, for the sixth annual Museums and the Web conference, described by an attendee at MW2001 as "one of the best conferences in the digital library area". MW2002 Co-Chairs: David Bearman, Archives & Museum Informatics Flavia Sparacino, MIT Media Lab Jennifer Trant, Archives & Museum Informatics ________ Museums and the Web Boston, Massachusetts Archives & Museum Informatics April 17-20, 2002 2008 Murray Ave, Suite D http://www.archimuse.com/mw2002/ Pittsburgh, PA 15217 phone +1 412 422 8530 USA fax +1 412 422 8594 ________ -- ________ J. Trant 2008 Murray Ave, Suite D Executive Director Pittsburgh, PA 15217 USA Art Museum Image Consortium http://www.amico.org Phone: +1 412 422 8533 jtrant@amico.org Fax: +1 412 422 8594 AMICO - Enabling Educational Use of Museum Multimedia ________ -- __________ J. Trant jtrant@archimuse.com Partner & Principal Consultant phone: +1 412 422 8530 Archives & Museum Informatics fax: +1 412 422 8594 2008 Murray Ave, Suite D http://www.archimuse.com Pittsburgh, PA 15217 __________ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 26 11:04:29 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Inline forms in CSS problem In-Reply-To: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F47EE@MAIL> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226102640.022dde80@ohiolink.edu> At 10:15 AM 2/26/2002, Jody Cleveland wrote: >Hi all, > >I am in the process of switching over pages I've made to use css rather than >tables. I'm getting the hang of it, but have a problem with forms. I've >got a menu bar across the top, with a search form to the right of that. The >problem is, in Mozilla, the form is on the right hand side, but it is >shifted down. Looks like there is a line break above it or something. In >IE, well, you have to see it. > >Any help you can give a css newbie would be greatly appreciated. > >web page: > >css: > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] [Second things second: Who invented ... elements? Proprietary/made-up stuff like that gets more and more likely to screw things up as browsers start expecting you to abide by your doctype declaration.] [Third things third: if you're doing XHTML, you have to pay close attention to markup. All element names lowercase, and all empty elements correctly closed.] Part of the problem is that your search form is marked up as
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. Several problems there. First, span is an inline element. A parsing browser will end it, along with its style properties, if a block element starts before the span is closed. Second, both FORM and DIV are block elements, and without style properties saying otherwise, usually start with a new line (especially the DIV: browsers may not enforce this for FORMs). Here's something that helps me. When I'm having getting CSS-styled elements to line up the way I think they should, I put different colored 1px borders around them. That gives me visual clues as to exactly which in a set of nested elements isn't shaped the way I think. On something of a tangent, I think it's wrong to look at CSS and tables as dichotomous. People are trying to strip all tables out of their markup, experimenting with pretty complex CSS positioning, getting dissatisfied with the results, and blaming CSS. A table is a table*, and IMO it's perfectly defensible to describe a tabbed navigation bar as a one-row table. Done right, that can help free you from device- and resolution-dependence, instead of locking you into it as your current CSS experiment does. [* On the other hand, an entire page formatted within a big table, using columns for indentation, etc, cannot be fairly described as a table. *That's* where CSS can "replace" tables.] HTH. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu Tue Feb 26 12:03:58 2002 From: wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu (William Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: BIOS Print/Capture Message-ID: Or you can find a friend with a Macintosh. I've never found a screen that couldn't be captured using Shift Command 4. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania fros@bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 >>> - 2/25/02 11:08 PM >>> Well, by definition the BIOS screens are not under the control of the operating system, so no matter what OS you are running, the OS itself (and applications) can't help you out with a screen capture in-computer. A digital still camera could work pretty well if you can avoid glare. Another option would be to use a PC that has a video card with NTSC TV out (RCA plug or S-video), capture the boot up sequence to video tape, and use video editing software to snap stills as desired. An ATI All-in-Wonder is a common example. If you don't have a machine with that kind of card, and you don't want to install one, an outboard VGA-to-TV converter would let you do the same trick. These are pretty cheap now. Places like PC Connection carry 'em. /rich On Wed, 20 February 2002, Thomas Bennett wrote: > > Eureka, here it is. Take a picture of the screen with a digital camera, you > may have to turn off the flash. > > Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of peterson@amigos.org > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] BIOS Print/Capture > > > I'm looking for a way to print or, preferably capture to display and print, > some of my BIOS screens for a training session. I've looked through the > Web4Lib archives and tried a couple of search engines with no luck. I'm > working with a Windows 2000 Professional operating system. Can anyone > help? > > Christine Peterson > Library Liaison Officer, Amigos Library Services > 14400 Midway Road, Dallas, TX 75244-3509 > 800/843-8482 x191 (message only) > 512/671-1580 (phone and fax) > EMAIL: peterson@amigos.org _____________________________________________________ Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on the Internet rich@richardwiggins.com http://richardwiggins.com From plum at ulink.net Tue Feb 26 12:33:07 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB]tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226102640.022dde80@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] Are px's really so bad in CSS? It seems that if the user has their pixels set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. The relative sizes seem almost arbitrary across different platforms. From markgrjs at uwec.edu Tue Feb 26 12:52:08 2002 From: markgrjs at uwec.edu (Markgraf, Jill S.) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: POSITION: Web Services & Reference Librarian, UW-Eau Claire Message-ID: <778060D0A3298648AAE9B6B19FF1460A227CEE@STAN.uwec.edu> Web Services and Reference Librarian: Come to beautiful western Wisconsin to join a library faculty and staff dedicated to providing high quality services in a premier undergraduate university. This position is responsible for the oversight, development and maintenance of the library Web site, monitoring and complying with Web-related standards and conventions, integrating usability studies in Web development and applications, and coordinating content creation and staff Web training. Serves at the reference desk, including evening and weekend hours, and participates in library's Information Literacy program. Carries out general responsibilities of university faculty member. Requirements: ALA-accredited master's degree by time of employment; demonstrated working knowledge of HTML, Web publishing software, Web programming (e.g., JavaScript, SGML, XML, CGI scripting, Visual Basic script, ASP), and graphic design principles and software. Demonstrated understanding of academic library services and resources and the role of technology in providing information services; demonstrated ability to provide reference and instructional services; demonstrated strong written and oral communications skills. Experience in reference and instructional services, experience using metadata and implementing search engines, and graphic design experience may be considered assets. Applicants should check the library's Web site at www.uwec.edu/library for a detailed position announcement and additional information about the library and university. To apply, send a letter of application, current resume, and names, addresses, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses of three professional references to: Phyllis Hambleton, McIntyre Library, UW-Eau Claire, Eau Claire, WI 54702-4004. To ensure consideration, completed applications must be postmarked by March 15, 2002; however, screening may continue until the position is filled. Very competitive salary; salary and rank commensurate with education and experience. The university reserves the right to check additional references with the permission of the candidate at the appropriate time in the process. Names of finalists must be released upon request. An AA/EEO employer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jill Markgraf Distance Education & Reference Librarian McIntyre Library University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire Eau Claire, WI 54702-5010 Phone: (715) 836-5357 Fax:(715) 836-2949 markgrjs@uwec.edu From DobbsA at apsu.edu Tue Feb 26 13:06:11 2002 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91ECE2@exchange.apsu.edu> At my preferred resolution (1600x1200) 10px is unreadable, even when I adjust my font size to "Largest" in IE5.5 or Navigator4.78 and 6. If I can't read it on the first pass, odds are I won't be back unless you have something I really need & and for which I am willing to adjust my screen resolution. (There isn't a whole lot I'd casually adjust for, btw) Relative sizes are just that, relative. Depending on browser & OS implementaton the "sizes" will change somewhat but Medium will still, usually, be readable to my 20x100 eyes without glasses. -Aaron :-)' PS So, yes. px (esp. 10) is bad. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Sosna Bohm [mailto:plum@ulink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: angent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] Are px's really so bad in CSS? It seems that if the user has their pixels set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. The relative sizes seem almost arbitrary across different platforms. From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Tue Feb 26 14:36:23 2002 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem Message-ID: Because IE5.5 and NN4.7 interpret the relative sizes differently, each of our library web pages will write in a different css link depending on the browser viewing the page. We have one style sheet for Netscape and one for IE. (Of course NN6.2 and IE 6 also interpret the sizes differently.) This is our form page with the JavaScript for selecting the appropriate style sheet. http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/Research_Tools/question.html Also, this page has a script for varying the font size with controls on the page itself. The font size starts at 14px. http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/Library_Services/classrooms.html Its experimental .. let me know if it works! Ian Chan Librarian 2BE2101 (206) 587-6336 www.seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib -----Original Message----- From: Dobbs, Aaron [mailto:DobbsA@apsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem At my preferred resolution (1600x1200) 10px is unreadable, even when I adjust my font size to "Largest" in IE5.5 or Navigator4.78 and 6. If I can't read it on the first pass, odds are I won't be back unless you have something I really need & and for which I am willing to adjust my screen resolution. (There isn't a whole lot I'd casually adjust for, btw) Relative sizes are just that, relative. Depending on browser & OS implementation the "sizes" will change somewhat but Medium will still, usually, be readable to my 20x100 eyes without glasses. -Aaron :-)' PS So, yes. px (esp. 10) is bad. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Sosna Bohm [mailto:plum@ulink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: angent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] Are px's really so bad in CSS? It seems that if the user has their pixels set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. The relative sizes seem almost arbitrary across different platforms. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 26 15:08:57 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226125105.00b1f310@ohiolink.edu> At 12:34 PM 2/26/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: > > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] > >Are px's really so bad in CSS? Yes. >It seems that if the user has their pixels >set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. No. They expect really *clear* fonts, made up of many more pixels per character than lower-resolution users get. They *may* choose to trade off some of that clarity to use slightly smaller onscreen fonts (in point size), but not necessarily. Fixed font sizing, whatever the unit of measurement, is also grossly unfair to users with vision problems. Sure, the author's sizing can be overridden, but why force that drastic action if it isn't otherwise necessary? >The relative sizes seem >almost arbitrary across different platforms. Regardless of platform, text that is accurately rendered at, say, 90% of the user's comfortable font size is still legible for short, de-emphasized text. Text rendered at x number of pixels has no known relationship to a user's comfortable font size. Perhaps you're referring to a bugs in a browser whose error-riddled CSS support is now over five years old, and whose own developers declared it defunct more than three years ago. The pages I write are usable in such a dilapidated browser, but I no longer go far out my way to fine tune its display. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From web4lib at mln.lib.ma.us Tue Feb 26 15:21:33 2002 From: web4lib at mln.lib.ma.us (web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: calendar on website Message-ID: <020226152133.2022e90f@mln.lib.ma.us> We are adding a calendar of events to our new -very basic- website. What is the easiest, yet professional, way of creating a calendar using FrontPage? I can't seem to find a template. Can I import one from Word, Outlook, etc.? From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 26 16:03:20 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: Mozilla 0.9.8 and CSS References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226125105.00b1f310@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3C7BF818.1A6B5F87@tln.lib.mi.us> Is anyone aware of any "bugs" in how Mozilla 0.9.8 handles CSS?? I just discovered that my personal web pages, that use a CSS file for handling layout and text display, no longer renders correctly in Mozilla 0.9.8. Mozilla appears to ignore my stylesheets. Here's an example page: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/ These pages work fine in IE 6 and K-Meleon 0.6 (based on Mozilla 0.9.5). Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From lytlea at oclc.org Tue Feb 26 16:04:54 2002 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: Technical Difficulties With Invitation to OCLC Institute Free Inf ormation Sessions Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC537F0E4@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] Dear Colleagues, We have been alerted to a problem with the server handling the reservations to the information sessions about the OCLC Institute's "Steering by Standards" videoconference. If you would like to register for one of these free information sessions, please e-mail me at lytlea@oclc.org with the following information: Name Title Institution Address E-mail address Telephone Number Date and time of your desired show Once I receive your registration I will e-mail you the toll-free number and the URL for the session of your choice. Seating is limited to 39 per session and is filled on a first-come, first-served basis. You are welcome to have several people from your institution participate on a single registration; just use a speaker phone for the audio portion of the presentation. The following sessions are available: Wed. Feb. 27, 12:00 - 12:30 p.m. EST Thurs. Feb 28, 3:00 - 3:30 p.m. EST Fri. March 1, 9:00 - 9:30 a.m. EST Thank you for your interest, and our apologies for the technical difficulties. Amy Lytle Event Coordinator OCLC Institute 800-848-5878 x 5212 mailto:lytlea@oclc.org ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From tbaker at mail.law.du.edu Tue Feb 26 16:05:31 2002 From: tbaker at mail.law.du.edu (Baker, Theresa) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendar on website Message-ID: <888DC596A4FFD311BEB900A0C9B3BC34022EFD20@mail.law.du.edu> You can easily save an Outlook calendar to the web (File, Save as Web Page). We've done this for our teaching lab schedule, which you can view at: http://www.law.du.edu/library/flc/flccalendar/ -Theresa Baker University of Denver Law Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us [mailto:web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendar on website We are adding a calendar of events to our new -very basic- website. What is the easiest, yet professional, way of creating a calendar using FrontPage? I can't seem to find a template. Can I import one from Word, Outlook, etc.? From stemmer at XAVIER.XU.EDU Tue Feb 26 17:19:07 2002 From: stemmer at XAVIER.XU.EDU (John Stemmer) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: Position Available - Electronic Resources Librarian Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226171219.00a657b0@xavier.xu.edu> Cross listed, sorry for any duplication Xavier University Library invites applicants for the position of Electronic Resources Librarian. This position complements a team of bibliographic control services librarians by taking a lead role in electronic resources cataloging and collection development. Responsibilities include e-resource evaluation, cataloging, and delivery through a dynamic OPAC and web site. Some public service opportunities exist. Requirements: ALA accredited MLS by July 1, 2002; knowledge of OCLC-MARC formats, AACR2 and at least one standard subject heading scheme and one classification scheme; an understanding of electronic library standards (LC, ALA, OCLC, etc.); experience using at least one library system; some cataloging experience; an awareness of collection development issues. Experience with development and implementation of digital library projects; knowledge of text and image based information retrieval systems and web development; experience in academic librarian public service, and a subject specialization a plus. Deadline for application is Friday, March 29, 2002. Interested/qualified applicants must submit a letter of interest that includes a brief statement of the role of e-resources in contemporary libraries, resume, and names and phone numbers of three references to: Ms. Connie Perme, Xavier University, Human Resources, 3800 Victory Parkway, Cincinnati, OH 45207-4641 or email to hr@xu.edu. For additional information regarding Xavier University, please refer to our web site at www.xu.edu. EO/AAE ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From fgomez at criba.edu.ar Tue Feb 26 17:32:12 2002 From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?Windows-1252?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla 0.9.8 and CSS References: <3C7BF818.1A6B5F87@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <002401c1bf15$6f715000$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> Andrew: IE6 and Mozilla 0.9.8 (Build ID: 2002020406) show the same layout (the right one, I guess) on my machine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fernando G?mez email: fgomez@criba.edu.ar ICQ 141305109 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biblioteca Antonio Monteiro Instituto de Matem?tica de Bah?a Blanca CONICET-UNS Av. Alem 1253 Bah?a Blanca - Argentina ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mutch" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla 0.9.8 and CSS > Is anyone aware of any "bugs" in how Mozilla 0.9.8 handles CSS?? > > I just discovered that my personal web pages, that use a CSS file for handling > layout and text display, no longer renders correctly in Mozilla 0.9.8. Mozilla > appears to ignore my stylesheets. Here's an example page: > > http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/ > > These pages work fine in IE 6 and K-Meleon 0.6 (based on Mozilla 0.9.5). > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > From library at cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 26 17:32:27 2002 From: library at cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226102640.022dde80@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020227093227.006d2490@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> > >[Second things second: Who invented ... >elements? Proprietary/made-up stuff like that gets more and more likely to >screw things up as browsers start expecting you to abide by your doctype >declaration.] > I am in the process of implementing a search feature on our site using Atomz (www.atomz.com) While testing, I noticed that if I searched on a word which happened to be used in various bits of navigation text, the search results listed every page in the site and the descriptive text was simply a rehash of the navigation text. Their help files suggest using for any portions of text I may wish to exclude from being indexed (like navigation!) to correct this problem. I shouldn't do this?? How else can I exclude navigation text from being indexed and ending up in the search results? V. From lytlea at oclc.org Tue Feb 26 17:54:13 2002 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: Position Available - Manager of Distance Learning Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC537F100@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Widely Cross-Posted with Apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] The OCLC Institute (http://www.oclc.org/institute) announces an opening for the newly created position, Manager of Distance Learning (http://www.oclc.org/careers/positions/1600-R00798-17.shtm), and invites interested and qualified candidates to apply for immediate consideration. The OCLC Institute is an educational division of OCLC dedicated to promoting the evolution of libraries through advanced education and knowledge exchange. OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., is an equal opportunity employer. OCLC maintains an ongoing commitment to equal opportunity and affirmative action, and seeks to sustain a diverse workplace. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 26 18:02:22 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla 0.9.8 and CSS References: <3C7BF818.1A6B5F87@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3C7C13FE.8A23E8B1@tln.lib.mi.us> It turns out the problem was that the server was sending out the CSS files as type "text/plain" but Mozilla only honors "text/css". Hat tip to Thomas Dowling for catching that in the data stream. Fortunately, I was able to get our hosts webserver wrangler to add that to the MIME types so that the CSS files are served out as "text/css". It's always good to have the people who serve the pages on your side. Thanks for the assists. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Andrew Mutch wrote: > Is anyone aware of any "bugs" in how Mozilla 0.9.8 handles CSS?? > > I just discovered that my personal web pages, that use a CSS file for handling > layout and text display, no longer renders correctly in Mozilla 0.9.8. Mozilla > appears to ignore my stylesheets. Here's an example page: > > http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/pro/ > > These pages work fine in IE 6 and K-Meleon 0.6 (based on Mozilla 0.9.5). > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From library at cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au Tue Feb 26 18:08:04 2002 From: library at cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: PDF displaying blank page in browser Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020227100804.006d33d0@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> Hi folks, We have a downloadable (by authentication only) pdf file on our site (intranet). Some users cannot see the file when it has apparantly downloaded, all they see is a totally blank browser. This seems to be not dependent upon browser type or version (IE and/or Netscape), or version of Acrobat Reader. It is totally inconsistant - sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. They have been able to download other pdf files from other sites on other occasions. They have even been able to download THIS file on other occasions. For some, one day it works, the next day it doesn't. Which leads me to wonder: is there something I'm doing wrong when converting the file? Its a Word document (rtf) which another staff member here created from an Access database (its simply a list of passwords for access to e-journals, hence the authentication process) .... she passes it to me, I convert it to pdf and push it up to the server. Our users are calling our I.T. department when this happens, and they tell the user to ring us because its "a library problem". Has anyone experienced this? Am I totally ignorant and/or missing the bleedin' obvious somewhere along the way?? tia, Vicki From plum at ulink.net Wed Feb 27 01:21:10 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226125105.00b1f310@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <004101c1bf56$f68e5420$bf0cced1@shapeshi> Thank you all once again for explaining this in a way I can understand & implement. I now have most everything declared at '90%' instead of 12px, with 'li' tags at 100% so they will not be smaller than the 'ul' parents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem > At 12:34 PM 2/26/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: > > > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > > > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] > > > >Are px's really so bad in CSS? > > Yes. > >It seems that if the user has their pixels > >set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. > > > No. They expect really *clear* fonts, made up of many more pixels per > character than lower-resolution users get. They *may* choose to trade off > some of that clarity to use slightly smaller onscreen fonts (in point > size), but not necessarily. > > Fixed font sizing, whatever the unit of measurement, is also grossly unfair > to users with vision problems. Sure, the author's sizing can be > overridden, but why force that drastic action if it isn't otherwise necessary? > > > >The relative sizes seem > >almost arbitrary across different platforms. > > Regardless of platform, text that is accurately rendered at, say, 90% of > the user's comfortable font size is still legible for short, de-emphasized > text. Text rendered at x number of pixels has no known relationship to a > user's comfortable font size. > > Perhaps you're referring to a bugs in a browser whose error-riddled CSS > support is now over five years old, and whose own developers declared it > defunct more than three years ago. The pages I write are usable in such a > dilapidated browser, but I no longer go far out my way to fine tune its > display. > > > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From b.reis at mailbox.gu.edu.au Tue Feb 26 23:25:01 2002 From: b.reis at mailbox.gu.edu.au (Brian Reis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: Newspaper Indexing Software Message-ID: Hi Someone has asked me about possible software options for completing a fairly large-scale newspaper index (80 years of an illustrated weekly). The people concerned started out using EndNote but have run into size limitations. They wish to compile the index and have it searchable on the web as a Z39.50 compatible database. Can anybody who has done such a project recommend anything suitable, or suggest useful sources to investigate. Regards from Down Under Brian Reis INS Web Co-ordinator Division of Information Services Griffith University Queensland 4111 AUSTRALIA B.Reis@mailbox.gu.edu.au Phone 0011-61-7-387-56456 Fax 0011-61-7-387-55314 From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Feb 27 07:46:21 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: calendar on website Message-ID: <200202270746.AA756744840@ansernet.rcls.org> For our library system's needs, we've concluded that the ability to insert hyperlinks into the calendar display is an essential feature. In brief playing with Outlook, I haven't seen if that is possible. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Baker, Theresa" Reply-To: tbaker@mail.law.du.edu Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:17:22 -0800 (PST) >You can easily save an Outlook calendar to the web (File, Save >as Web Page). We've done this for our teaching lab schedule, >which you can view at: >http://www.law.du.edu/library/flc/flccalendar/ > >-Theresa Baker > University of Denver Law Library > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us [mailto:web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us] >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:27 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendar on website > > >We are adding a calendar of events to our new -very basic- website. What is >the easiest, yet professional, way of creating a calendar using FrontPage? I >can't seem to find a template. Can I import one from Word, Outlook, etc.? > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From grignoux.anthony at caramail.com Wed Feb 27 11:33:19 2002 From: grignoux.anthony at caramail.com (Anthony Grignoux) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: Informations about this list Message-ID: <1014805999009826@caramail.com> Hello, we are French students and we must work on mailing lists in the field of library science. I would be glad to receive some informations concerning this particular list. These informations can be whether subjective (what you think of it) or objective (any numeric data you have of the frequency of questions, answers....) This report has to be finished on thursday (28/2) in the evening. Thank you for any help you can bring to us. ______________________________________________________ Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From suzyq at mail.pittstate.edu Wed Feb 27 09:38:09 2002 From: suzyq at mail.pittstate.edu (Susan M. Johns) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: angent to Re: Inline forms in CSS problem In-Reply-To: from "Nancy Sosna Bohm" at Feb 26, 2002 09:34:16 AM Message-ID: <200202271438.IAA40030@mail.pittstate.edu> * CSS and all the neat ADA/Bobby stuff is not exclusively for "THE blind". Quite honestly THE blind don't care what font size it's in so long as the screen reader can read the text. You could code the page in -5 and THE blind could read it so long as the tag was marked up appropriately for the reader to recognize it. Some sites work this way, even to the advantage of PDAs and other handhelds. Surprisingly, PDA sites are often *very* readable because of the lack of graphics and concise outlines for a very tiny screen. The W3C guidelines for XHTML and HTML 4.0 and CSS also support LOW VISION users. These are the people for whom the tiny print is impossible. Want to know what they're going through? Take your glasses off. Try reading the screen without your bifocals. Roll your chair back as far away from your screen as you can with your arms outstreteched to still touch the keyboard, or better yet, take your keyboard and stretch out the cord on it as far as it goes. Now try to read your screen. Now take that times a factor of about 10, and you'll start to simulate what the LOW VISION user sees. Remember that you are not coding just for THE blind. Low vision users are an extremely large portion of your "able" viewers. Throw in all us boomers with the bifocals and all the librarians with the coke-bottle-lenses, add your parents and grandparents with cataracts and low-light vision problems, and all the high-tech folks with the PDAs who read them while they're driving. No one should ever mandatorily have to read anything in 10 pt. Everyone should be able to magnify and adjust that 10 pt relatively within your page, and adjust the size of the font on their screen depending on their visual needs. * *non-compliant XHTML tag, does not validate :_) Susan Johns Systems/Circulation Librarian Voice: (620) 235-4115 Axe Library, Pittsburg State University Fax: (620) 235-4090 Pittsburg KS 66762 suzyq@mail.pittstate.edu http://library.pittstate.edu/staff/susan > > [First things first: "font-size: 10px;" is bad. You don't know how small > > 10px is on the user's monitor. Stick with relative sizes.] > > Are px's really so bad in CSS? It seems that if the user has their pixels > set really high, they expect teeny tiny fonts. The relative sizes seem > almost arbitrary across different platforms. > > > From Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu Wed Feb 27 14:37:34 2002 From: Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu (Jamane Yeager) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: Reef software Message-ID: Has anyone used or heard of Reef software. This was suggested to me today....Or has anyone used it in a library environment? ---------------------------------------- Jamane Yeager Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian Elon University (336) 278-6576 From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Feb 27 15:37:45 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: JOB: Bibliographic Analyst, California Digital Library Message-ID: Bibliographic Analyst - California Digital Library, University of California, Office of the President $33,400 to $46,700 (midpoint) yearly Closing Date March 15 The California Digital Library (CDL) is a collaborative effort of the ten campuses of the University of California designed to enable the UC libraries to continue to meet the informational needs of UC faculty and students in the 21st century. The CDL assumes a leadership role in providing digital content to the citizens of the state, develops systems that encourage resource sharing, and provides for a focus for the development of strategies and initiatives that guide the University's libraries through the transition to the digital future. Responsibilities As a member of the Digital Library Services group, incumbent assists in establishing campus access mechanisms for electronic resources licensed by the CDL and UC campus libraries. Maintain bibliographic information in various databases used for public access. Tasks involve analyzing data from a variety of sources, including contract licenses and cataloging records, and adding or updating databases and files that facilitate identification of users, resources they access and linking between those resources; currently this comprises work on five separate database or file systems. Qualifications Excellent analytical thinking/logical reasoning skills. Attention to detail critical. Ability to troubleshoot problems proactively. Ability to use computer keyboard and/or mouse for majority of workday. Experience with database management software (Sybase, Access) and database design; experience with spreadsheet software (Excel) and word processing; familiarity with MARC records and bibliographic data; ability to use regular expressions vis Perl or similar syntax, perform Boolean searching, SQL queries and similar functions; knowledge of basic HTML. Ability to use FTP for reports and posting data to web sites. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Apply You may mail your application/resume to: UCOP Human Resources, 300 Lakeside Drive, 12th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612-3550 www.cdlib.org You may conveniently send an e-mail to apply-L@ucop.edu with an attached resume. (An application form is not necessary.) Your resume should be in text-only format. Be sure to include the job number and title. From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Feb 27 19:45:09 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: CALL for PRESENTERS: ALA Preconference: Digital Reference @ Your Library Message-ID: <6A650857-2BE4-11D6-9A38-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> Forwarded on behalf of Chester Bunnell , please do not reply to me. Thanks, Roy Begin forwarded message: > From: Chester Bunnell > Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 03:25:22 PM US/Pacific > > (Please excuse cross-posting to several lists) > > ALA Preconference: Digital Reference @ Your Library > Atlanta, Friday, June 14, 8:00a.m. - 4:30 p.m. > Call for presenters -- due March 15 > > The full-day preconference will feature presentations and discussions > with > "front-line" librarians from a variety of environments: academic, > public, > school, special, and government. We want attendees to leave with the > tools > and blueprint needed to investigate, implement, and assess such a > service in > their own libraries. Panel discussions, poster sessions and product > demos > will follow the presentations. We welcome diverse perspectives and are > particularly interested in identifying presenters who can address the > broader issues and implications. We also welcome "how we did it at my > library" accounts in poster session format. > > If you have experience in this area, please consider submitting a > proposal > for a presentation or poster session. Topic ideas could include, but are > not > limited to: > * Integrating services into the organization > * Functional requirements for services > * Service models, e.g. software/hosted service selection, planning > process > * Technical support and other technology issues > * Policy development and implementation issues > * Content integration vs. maintaining separate websites for reference > websites, BI, e-ref, etc.; relationship to portals > * Digital reference service development (local and/or collaborative) > * Patron expectations and behavior; how this fits with research on use > of > the Internet overall > * Staffing, staff training, publicity, and maintenance issues > * Changes in service resulting from the experience of offering digital > reference (e.g. re-design of library's Web site, change in hours for > face-to-face desk reference, etc.) > * International aspects > * Assessment > > Use the web submission form at > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/crsweb/itech/rusa/proposal.htm. Further > details > on the Preconference website at > . > To attend the Preconference, register by May 10. > > ***************** > From pdeane at rla.lib.il.us Wed Feb 27 20:08:22 2002 From: pdeane at rla.lib.il.us (Paul Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: calendar on website In-Reply-To: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161BCE2E@PDCRLPL> Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC21616142CFD@PDCRLPL> Save Outlook Calendar as a Web Page and then edit to insert links. Paul Deane Director Round Lake Area Library pdeane@rla.lib.il.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jerry Kuntz Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: calendar on website For our library system's needs, we've concluded that the ability to insert hyperlinks into the calendar display is an essential feature. In brief playing with Outlook, I haven't seen if that is possible. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Baker, Theresa" Reply-To: tbaker@mail.law.du.edu Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:17:22 -0800 (PST) >You can easily save an Outlook calendar to the web (File, Save >as Web Page). We've done this for our teaching lab schedule, >which you can view at: >http://www.law.du.edu/library/flc/flccalendar/ > >-Theresa Baker > University of Denver Law Library > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us [mailto:web4lib@mln.lib.ma.us] >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:27 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendar on website > > >We are adding a calendar of events to our new -very basic- website. What is >the easiest, yet professional, way of creating a calendar using FrontPage? I >can't seem to find a template. Can I import one from Word, Outlook, etc.? > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From analice at dsi.uminho.pt Thu Feb 7 08:24:39 2002 From: analice at dsi.uminho.pt (Ana Alice Baptista) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: CFP Elpub2002 - Last Reminder Message-ID: This message is cross-posted to several lists - We apologize for possible duplicate postings! CALL FOR PAPERS ICCC / IFIP 6th INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ELECTRONIC PUBLISHING at Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic ELPUB2002 - "Technology Interactions" http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02/ Hosted by the Institute for Print and Media Technology of Chemnitz Technical University, Germany and by the Department for Computer Science and Engineering, University of West Bohemia in Pilsen, Czech Republic November 06 - 09th, 2002 Electronic Publishing is an area that is crossed over other areas such as E-commerce, Digital Libraries, Distance Learning, etc. New technologies keep appearing everyday in the Electronic Publishing arena. These interact not only among them, but also with all these areas, and not always in the same way. The "What, Where, How, and Why" questions about these technologies interactions is the main theme of the 2002 ElPub conference. ELPUB2002 is the 6th in a series of annual international conferences on Electronic Publishing. The objective of ELPUB2002 is to bring together researchers, managers, developers, and users working on the issues related to electronic publishing for public, scientific and commercial applications. The conference will continue the tradition of the previous conferences which took place in Great Britain in 1997, Hungary in 1998, Sweden in 1999, Russia in 2000 and England in 2001. PROGRAMME The focus is on electronic publishing for academic and industrial purposes and for the general public. There will be two tracks: a general track and a technical track. The General track aims to provide an overview of the main issues of the area, such as Human, Cultural, Social, Economic and Legal issues. The Technical Track, on the other hand, aims to provide a more in depth view over the state of the art technologies, applications and tools worldwide. We welcome speakers on the following topics: GENERAL TRACK - New Publishing Models; - New services for the Web; - Old Actors - New Roles: Scholars, Publishers, Librarians, Journalists, Teachers, etc. and Electronic Publishing in E-Commerce, Digital Libraries, Distance Learning, advertisement, etc.; - The Semantic Web; - Multimedia and Multimodal Web; - Web for the TV / TV for the Web; - Multilingual Systems and translators; - Systems for disabled persons; - Metadata - its usage and interoperability; - Accessibility; - Infocracy / Infoexclusion; - Copyright and other rights issues; - Security, and reliability/quality assurance on the information sources; - Standards and recommendations from well-established bodies and their comparison. TECHNICAL TRACK - Using XML and its related technologies(XSL, XSLT, DOM, XLink, XPath, ...); comparing its use with older technologies (like DBMS, for instance); - Development and use of XML applications (XHTML, MathML, NewsML, RDF...) and tools; - Development and use of Metadata vocabularies, application profiles and metadata registries; - Development and use of codification mechanisms and technologies for metadata encoding (RDF, Topic Maps,...); - Knowledge discovery on the Web; Content Search and Retrieval on the Web; - Profiling and personalization; - Interoperability and scalability of Web publishing applications; - Electronic Publishing for mobile devices; - Technologies for the selection of content; their use and/or comparison; - Technologies for security, and reliability/quality assurance on the information sources; - Technologies for copyright assurance; - Mechanisms for the integration of recommendations, standards and standards proposals. THE LIST OF TOPICS IS NOT MEANT TO BE EXHAUSTIVE AND SUBMISSIONS ON ANY TOPIC WITHIN THE OVERALL CONFERENCE THEME WILL BE CONSIDERED. Proceedings of the conference will be published both as a book and electronically. AUTHOR GUIDELINES 1. DEADLINE FOR ABSTRACTS: February 15th, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Abstract submission must include: - Title of paper - Authors' names - Affiliation - Full Address (including phone, fax, e-mail) - Abstract in English (200 - 400 words) Abstracts should be sent by e-mail (using text-only format; no formatting; double space between paragraphs) to the Programme Committee: programme-elpub@mail.uminho.pt The programme committee will send notification of acceptance of submitted papers by May, 2nd. The deadline for full papers will be June 28th, 2002. Speakers will be given 35 minutes total including time for questions. Papers will be published in the conference proceedings (print and online version). One author per paper (speaker) will be charged a reduced conference fee. GENERAL INFORMATION Host: Chemnitz Technical University, Germany General Chair: Arved Hubler email: arved.huebler@mbv.tu-chemnitz.de Program Chair: Jo?o ?lvaro Carvalho email: jac@dsi.uminho.pt Program Committee: - BAPTISTA, Ana Alice - University of Minho - Portugal - BORBINHA, Jos? Lu?s - IST - Portugal; and National Library of Portugal - Portugal - CARVALHO, Jo?o ?lvaro - University of Minho - Portugal - CHAN, Leslie - University of Toronto - Canada - CORREIA, Ana Maria Ramalho - Universidade Nova de Lisboa/ISEGI - Portugal; and University of Sheffield - UK - COSTA, Sely - University of Bras?lia - Brazil - DELGADO, Jaime - University Pompeu Fabra - Barcelona - Spain - ENGELEN, Jan - Catholic University of Leuven - Belgium - IYENGAR, Arun - IBM Research/T.J. Watson Research Centre - USA - JEZEK, Karel - University of West Bohemia in Pilsen - Czech Republic - KHAKHAR, Dipak - University of Lund - Sweden - KREINES, Mikhail - Moscow Medical Academy, Moscow Centre for New Information Technologies in Medical Education - Russia - KREULICH, Klaus - Chemnitz Technical University - Germany - LINDE, Peter - Blekinge Institute of Technology - Sweden - MATOUSEK, Vaclav - University of West-Bohemia in Pilsen - Czech Republic - OKERSON, Ann - Yale University - USA - RODRIGUES, Eloy - University of Minho - Portugal - SCHW?NZL, Roland - University of Osnabr?ck - Germany - SMITH, John W. T. - University of Kent at Canterbury - UK - TARGINO, Gra?a - Federal University of Piau? - Brazil - TSCHAMMER, Volker - ECCO(Competence Centre for Electronic Commerce)- Fraunhofer FOKUS - Germany For additional information, please contact the Programme Committee: programme-elpub@mail.uminho.pt From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Feb 7 12:56:46 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: This week In ResearchBuzz #168 -- February 7, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020207125628.022a7bd0@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, Following are the headlines from this week's ResearchBuzz, issue #168 -- http://www.researchbuzz.com . The links beneath each headline lead directly to the article. * Google Launches Programming Contest http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#googlelaunches * MLB.com Launches Negro League Section http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#mlbcomlaunches * Reader Response -- Worst Health Problems http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#readerresponse * Illinois Statewide Marriage Index http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#illinoisstatewide * Index to Trumpet Information http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#indexto * Alabama Preparing Civil War Database http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#alabamapreparing * The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#thepublic * Bottle Cap Gallery Also Features Beer Trays http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#bottlecap * Google Tweaks News Headlines http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#googletweaks * Digital Library of Secret Tobacco Documents Now Available http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#digitallibrary * UNC Gets Grant to Create 3-D Book Collection http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#uncgets * IBDB Offers Theater Information http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#ibdboffers * Antique Radio Searchable Subject Index http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan31feb602.html#antiqueradio From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Thu Feb 7 13:48:57 2002 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: FrontPage, bad code and Word documents Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BFDC@ex2.uchsc.edu> I usually don't get involved with defending Microsoft products, however I disagree with the oft-made assertion that FrontPage generates lousy code. I am using FP 2002 (XP) and although the code it automatically generates is not perfect, it's way better than it used to be. Also, if you start with good code, you can set FrontPage not to mess with it. Dreamweaver is nice, no doubt about it, but FrontPage is also a workable editor and a blessing if you are forced to work with tables. (In our case there is a formal campus template) In regard to converting Word documents, FP 2002 now allows you to paste as "text only" from Word so if you already have an HTML document set up with stylesheets, the process moves pretty quickly with cut-and-paste. FP also excels at site management, in my opinion... Jeff Kuntzman Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center >>Bill Drew wrote: If its not too late, switch to Dreamweaver from Macromedia. I just made the switch from FrontPage 2000 to Dreamweaver and am much happier with the results. FrontPage generates lousy HTML code. From walterg at yorku.ca Thu Feb 7 14:59:00 2002 From: walterg at yorku.ca (Walter Giesbrecht) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: FrontPage, bad code and Word documents References: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BFDC@ex2.uchsc.edu> Message-ID: <3C62DC84.DA8B0BDA@yorku.ca> Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu wrote: > > I usually don't get involved with defending Microsoft products, however I > disagree with the oft-made assertion that FrontPage generates lousy code. I > am using FP 2002 (XP) and although the code it automatically generates is > not perfect, it's way better than it used to be. Also, if you start with > good code, you can set FrontPage not to mess with it. I used to keep a copy of Frontpage 98 (!) installed on my system, purely to convery Word documents into HTML. It did a better job than Word itself (with or without the Compact HTML add-on) and *much* better than FP2K. Never having used FP2002, I can't comment on the quality of its code. The main thing that used to infuriate me about FP ("used to", because I don't use it anymore) was its occasional inability to accept perfectly valid HTML when input via the 'HTML view'. I could add code this way (mostly because it was easier to get the cursor in the right place than in the 'normal' view), switch to Normal, not see any difference, go back to HTML and find that my code had been removed. Not so much as a "by your leave" -- just gone. Any program that can't accept perfectly valid HTML when input directly, as opposed to in WYSIWYG mode, is a problem. -- Walter Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University, Toronto, CANADA 113 SSB ---------------------------------------------------------------- From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Feb 7 15:25:29 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: FrontPage, bad code and Word documents References: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BFDC@ex2.uchsc.edu> Message-ID: <3C62E2B9.FF8BEB12@tln.lib.mi.us> I think that FP gots its much-deserved reputation with FrontPage98. FP98 would regularly mangle attempts to insert valid HTML code. I even ran into problems with "hidden" code in what looked like clean files. As someone else noted, FP often would redo your code based on what it thought was best. However, I have rarely had these problems in FP2000. It allows you to directly enter any HTML code and for the most part leaves it alone. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu wrote: > I usually don't get involved with defending Microsoft products, however I > disagree with the oft-made assertion that FrontPage generates lousy code. I > am using FP 2002 (XP) and although the code it automatically generates is > not perfect, it's way better than it used to be. Also, if you start with > good code, you can set FrontPage not to mess with it. > > Dreamweaver is nice, no doubt about it, but FrontPage is also a workable > editor and a blessing if you are forced to work with tables. > (In our case there is a formal campus template) > > In regard to converting Word documents, FP 2002 now allows you to paste > as "text only" from Word so if you already have an HTML document set up with > stylesheets, the process moves pretty quickly with cut-and-paste. > > FP also excels at site management, in my opinion... > Jeff Kuntzman > Denison Memorial Library > University of Colorado Health Sciences Center > > >>Bill Drew wrote: > If its not too late, switch to Dreamweaver from Macromedia. I just made the > switch from FrontPage 2000 to Dreamweaver and am much happier with the > results. FrontPage generates lousy HTML code. From smcramer at uncg.edu Thu Feb 7 15:32:32 2002 From: smcramer at uncg.edu (Steve Cramer) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FrontPage, bad code and Word documents In-Reply-To: <3C62DC84.DA8B0BDA@yorku.ca> References: <3C62DC84.DA8B0BDA@yorku.ca> Message-ID: Curious. What code were you adding, Walter? I've been using (and adding code in FrontPage) since 1996 (two colleges ago) and have never experienced that phenomenon. Perhaps your copy of FP was set to a custom or non-standard compatibility? --Steve On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:01:19 -0800 (PST) Walter Giesbrecht wrote: > The main thing that used to infuriate me about FP ("used to", because > I don't use it anymore) was its occasional inability to accept > perfectly valid HTML when input via the 'HTML view'. I could add code > this way (mostly because it was easier to get the cursor in the right > place than in the 'normal' view), switch to Normal, not see any > difference, go back to HTML and find that my code had been removed. > Not so much as a "by your leave" -- just gone. Any program that can't > accept perfectly valid HTML when input directly, as opposed to in > WYSIWYG mode, is a problem. > > -- > > Walter Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca > Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 > York University, Toronto, CANADA 113 SSB > ---------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________ Steve Cramer Business Librarian University of North Carolina at Greensboro smcramer@uncg.edu 336-256-0346 From walterg at yorku.ca Thu Feb 7 15:37:21 2002 From: walterg at yorku.ca (Walter Giesbrecht) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: FrontPage, bad code and Word documents References: <3C62E2B9.FF8BEB12@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3C62E581.F9C3FF37@yorku.ca> Andrew Mutch wrote: > > I think that FP gots its much-deserved reputation with FrontPage98. FP98 would > regularly mangle attempts to insert valid HTML code. I even ran into problems > with "hidden" code in what looked like clean files. As someone else noted, FP > often would redo your code based on what it thought was best. However, I have > rarely had these problems in FP2000. It allows you to directly enter any HTML > code and for the most part leaves it alone. As I said earlier, though, it (FP98) is worth keeping around if you have to convert a lot of Word documents to HTML, since it does a better job of that than just about anything else, IMO. Dreamweaver, when cleaning up Word HTML, doesn't make as clean a copy as this does. -- Walter Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University, Toronto, CANADA 113 SSB ---------------------------------------------------------------- From jerremiec at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 7 18:57:42 2002 From: jerremiec at yahoo.ca (Jerremie Clyde) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: Digital Copyright and Licensing Courses and Guide Message-ID: <20020207235742.44087.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Please excuse cross postings Two New Dates for Digital Licensing and Fair Use Seminars Los Angeles (Beverly Hills) and Seattle dates have been set for half day seminars on the following dates: Los Angeles March 19, 2002 9:30 am - 12:30 pm Digital Licensing 1:3- pm - 4:30 pm Fair Use Seattle March 29, 2002 9:30 am - 12:30 pm Digital Licensing 1:30 pm - 4:30 pm Fair Use These seminars are organized by Copyrightlaws.com and will be taught by Frederic Silber, a Seattle-based copyright lawyer. For further information, see http://copyrightlaws.com. To register, see http://www.acteva.com/go/copyright. ***Lesley Ellen Harris, proprietor of Copyrightlaws.com, just published a book with ALA Editions entitled Digital Licensing: A Practical Guide for Librarians - see http://copyrightlaws.com for further information. Ms. Harris is also teaching an online course on licensing through the ALA -- for more information, contact Chiffonya Brown or Carrie Russell at ALA's Washington Office, (800)941-8478 or write to Chiffonya at cbrown@alawash.org. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 22:41:59 2002 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:33 2005 Subject: Handheld computing applications in libraries Message-ID: <20020208034159.39277.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Hello! Are you a library that is offering services, training, information, or implementing applications regarding handheld computing? I would like to post links to handheld libraries on the Handheld Librarian blogger web page! (http://handheldlib.blogspot.com) If you are interested, send me your web address! You can email to: handheldlibrarian@yahoo.com or lbell927@yahoo.com! Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Fri Feb 8 06:34:03 2002 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:37 2005 Subject: Messages with W32/Klez-G worm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been getting a whole bunch of messages today infected with W32/Klez-G. For more see: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32klezg.html From vreid1 at sladen.hfhs.org Fri Feb 8 11:09:27 2002 From: vreid1 at sladen.hfhs.org (Valerie L. Reid) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:37 2005 Subject: Direct Connection to the Internet Message-ID: <3C63F837.17607398@sladen.hfhs.org> I am posting this for our Library Systems Analyst, John DuLong -- We are wondering if any library is using their own connection to the Internet rather than their corporate connection to the Internet? That is, are there special libraries out there that are part of a larger corporation who have their own Internet connection and firewall rather than relying on the corporate infrastructure to provide Internet services. If so, then do you have a T-1 connection, a burstable T-1 connection, or some other level of service? How was this independent connection justified? By saving costs? By providing better services? By isolation potential security risks? Please respond directly to John DuLong at jdulong1@sladen.hfhs.org. Thanks, Valerie Reid, Webmaster vreid1@sladen.hfhs.org Henry Ford Hospital Sladen Library 313 / 916-2550 From catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us Fri Feb 8 12:12:23 2002 From: catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us (Catherine Buck Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:37 2005 Subject: Unwanted folder appears at startup Message-ID: <3C6406F7.9020009@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> Please excuse the crossposting... but I need a fix PDQ! On an NT workstation, after upgrading to Netscape 6.21 (yuck), a message kept appearing, can't find aim.exe .... yadadada. In the registry, I took out all references to AIM. HOWEVER, now, when the workstation boots up, it opens the System32 folder! Needless to say, I don't want that folder to just open up on the desktop (or anywhere else). How can I get rid of this?? Thanks. -- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8651 Fax 803.734.4757 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. From gprice at gwu.edu Fri Feb 8 12:39:59 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:37 2005 Subject: A Reminder from The Virtual Acquisition List and News Desk Message-ID: <3C67A21A@webmail3.gwu.edu> Hello from D.C. It's been awhile since I posted a weekly reminder note to the list about the weblog (http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com). So, let's give it a go. The weblog continues to grow in terms of both scope of coverage and visitors. Thank you. As many of you know the blog is updated daily with a weekly highlights newsletter, what I once sent to Web4Lib, is now being sent via an opt-in e-mail list. Many people have told me that the mailing list is simply used as a reminder to visit the blog. However, if you stop by several times a week you will most likely always encounter some new material. So I don't clog this list, here is an abridged version of current newsletter. Please stop by the weblog for all of the content and links. You'll also find a link to subscribe to the weekly e-mail update at the top of the site. cheers, gary price ----------- ----------- http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk Update Week 49 Weekly Highlights and Reminder (Full-Text on Weblog) New and Useful Web Sites, Industry News, Full-Text Docs of Interest to the Info Professional ---- ---- Thursday, February 7, 2002 Natural Language Processing--Experimental Projects Summarization Software Source: Online Journalism Review NewsBlaster from Columbia University NewsBlaster is an experimental prototype that uses natural language processing and other AI software to automatically generate text summaries. These summaries are built from content gathered using 13 web-based news sources including the Washington Post, CNN, Reuters, others. Officially, the site is described as an, "automatic system for event tracking and summarization". Image Search--Copyright Issues "Search Engine's Display of Copyright Photos Ruled Infringement" - Wednesday, February 6, 2002 Research Libraries Scholarly Communication Source: SPARC New Research Library Organization Announced: International Scholarly Communications Alliance Resources, Tools, and Full-Text Documents Demographics--United States Source: U.S. Census New Full-Text Report: The United States in International Context Summary/Fast Facts ||| Direct to Full-Text ? Job Search--Canada--Directory Learning--Canada--Directory Source: Human Resources Development Canada/Jobboom Canada Top 100 Internet Sites for Learning and Employment - http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com - Tuesday, February 5, 2002 Fast Facts The World Almanac February Newsletter is Now Available Info on February events, birthdays, holidays, and more. You'll also find a January 2002 chronology. Professional Reading Shelf Information Industry--OCLC Full-Text: OCLC Annual Report, 2000-2001 72 pages .pdf Resources, Tools, and Full-Text Documents Agriculture--Thesaurus Controlled Vocabularies Source: National Library of Agriculture Updated: NAL Agricultural Thesaurus - Monday, February 4, 2002 Education--United States--Statistics Source: The Education Trust Ed Watch Interactive State & National Education Digital Collections (2 Items) War Posters Source: University of Minnesota A Summons To Comradeship: World War I and World War II Posters >From the site, "A new project, commencing in Fall of 2001. Approximately 100 posters from both World Wars are online. By October 2003, this database will contain more than 6,000 images." See Also: Read about the project in this Minneapolis Star-Tribune article. - Canada Source: Canada's Digital Collections Seven New Collections From Canada's Digital Collections Now Online - Saturday, February 2, 2002 Resources, Tools, and Full-Text Documents Newsmakers--Interviews--Streaming Media Access an Archive of Charlie Rose Show Interviews The Charlie Rose Show airs nightly on public television here in the U.S. Rose conducts interviews with newsmakers, business leaders, authors, educators, politicians, and entertainers. This archive (audio only) provides streaming coverage of interviews back to October 29, 2001. - Friday, February 1, 2002 Opinion Web Search--Google Source: Searcher "Google: (v.)..." Barbara Quint discusses Google from a "parts of speech" angle. Resources, Tools, and Full-Text Documents Tobacco Control New: Legacy Tobacco Documents Library - Thursday, January 31, 2002 Resource of the Week Documents in the News--Primary Documents, Full-Text Legal Documents FindLaw's "Breaking Docs" Site and New Newsletter Resources, Tools, and Full-Text Documents Drug Abuse--United States--Statistics Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy "Economic Costs of Drug Abuse in the United States, 1992-1998" - - http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk Update Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From djones at scu.edu Fri Feb 8 14:16:57 2002 From: djones at scu.edu (David Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Unwanted folder appears at startup Message-ID: >>> Catherine Buck Morgan (catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us) Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:21:22 -0800 (PST) >>> On an NT workstation, after upgrading to Netscape 6.21 (yuck), a message kept appearing, can't find aim.exe .... yadadada. In the registry, I took out all references to AIM. HOWEVER, now, when the workstation boots up, it opens the System32 folder! Needless to say, I don't want that folder to just open up on the desktop (or anywhere else). <<< >From the Netscape help pages for 4.74 (don't know if this applies, but it might be worth checking out): On Windows NT systems, to prevent a "system32" Windows Explorer window from appearing when Windows starts up: 1.Launch the Windows Registry Editor (regedit.exe). 2.Open this registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run. 3.If the (Default) Name variable has a value of "" (an empty string), delete the Name variable. After the deletion, the value for (Default) should be "(value not set)". HTH, David =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ David Jones Library Systems Manager III Orradre Library mailto:djones@scu.edu phone: 408-551-7167 fax: 408-551-1805 http://www.scu.edu/library/ Santa Clara University 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara CA 95053-0500 "Insert pithy quote here" From plum at ulink.net Sat Feb 9 21:28:44 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:39 2005 Subject: Use of ssi's References: <200202082103.NAA00615@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <007701c1b1da$aadd47e0$010cced1@shapeshi> Our Library server is a Mac running WebStar. I/we are all set to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when students are on or off campus (depending on IP range). Since it was my idea in the first place, I would like some reassurance from WEB4Libbers that this is not insanity. I did put up a sample page and alter it after some input from staff and students. One of the current pages looks like this: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbs.html And it's new look is this: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbstesty.html (note: you will have to look at the code to see the "on campus" stuff). Here's the page we will be filling in with data unless quickly convinced otherwise: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-ztemplate.html (which also requires viewing the code to see the on-campus data). TIA for all input. --Nancy Bohm Reference and Web Librarian Donnelley Library Lake Forest College From info at galwaylibrary.ie Mon Feb 11 07:32:36 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: resticting users to one website Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A9989C@galway-primary> Hi, I would like to restrict users to one website, viz. our library catalogue, on some of our pcs. I am hoping to do this without using filtering software. I am using Windows NT workstation and Internet Explorer 5. If I specify 127.0.0.1 as the proxy server and specify my allowed site as the only site that is not to be retrieved by the proxy server, I meet with some success. However, when any other website is requested, I get a dialog box saying 'unable to open search page'. I cannot change the search page or can I? I would like to create my own page that would explain that this pc may only be used to access the library catalogue. This page would reside on the hard disk and would open whenever any website other than the library catalogue is requested. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Feb 11 09:05:19 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <000b01c1b24b$5f630220$e80cced1@shapeshi> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211085627.0228f708@ohiolink.edu> At 09:02 AM 2/10/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >I woke up this morning and thought first thing that y'all will NOT be able >to see the code after the server has processed the ssi's. >First, to recap what I am asking: >Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >of >databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? I don't think it's insanity to use SSI for this, though I think other server-side technologies will give you more flexibility in the future. You'll know better than we can whether this is likely to tax your server, but SSI is usually a pretty lightweight service. (I'm speaking as an Apache person; if WebSTAR can't do SSI as easily, that's something else to consider.) That said, I think your approach has inefficiencies built in that will make your server work much harder than necessary. It asks the "What's your IP?" question over and over, once per database. It seems like you could ask the question once at the top to set a variable and then just refer to that variable, or use it once to do an include of either the on-campus content or the off-campus content. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From scp_sulli at sals.edu Mon Feb 11 09:38:34 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: resticting users to one website Message-ID: <020211093834.896@sals.edu> >I cannot change the search page or >can I? I would like to create my own page that would explain that this pc >may only be used to access the library catalogue. This page would reside on >the hard disk and would open whenever any website other than the library >catalogue is requested. The location of the search page in NT and Internet Explorer is in this Registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search I set the "CustomizeSearch" value to nothing and the "SearchAssistant" value to our chosen search page. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From Jennie.McKee at directory.reed.edu Mon Feb 11 09:53:28 2002 From: Jennie.McKee at directory.reed.edu (Jennie McKee) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION Message-ID: <4542535@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Back when I used Webstar (4 years ago before we got a UNIX server and changed to Apache) I used a couple of HTML commands that Webstar had - HIDE and SHOW to restrict access to passwords that we showed the students when on logging in from the campus IP range. You could check into using those. No, I don't think it's insanity to do what you are doing. Jennie McKee Systems Librarian Reed College --- You wrote: I woke up this morning and thought first thing that y'all will NOT be able to see the code after the server has processed the ssi's. First, to recap what I am asking: Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? One of the current pages looks like this: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbs.html Now, to see the code for new version: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbstesty.html Look here: http://ulink.net/plum/Home/a-dbstesty.html And here again is the page we (3 of us) would fill in with data from the other 24 pages: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-ztemplate.html With its code visible here: http://ulink.net/plum/Home/a-ztemplate.html Thank again in advance for any responses. --Nancy Bohm Reference and Web Librarian Donnelley Library Lake Forest College --- end of quote --- From gprice at gwu.edu Mon Feb 11 10:03:56 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Google Unveils New Enterprise "Search Appliance" Message-ID: <3C69AC15@webmail3.gwu.edu> A bit of news (what else is new) from Google. Google Introduces Corporate "Search Appliance" >From the article, "By expanding into the corporate search business, Mountain View, California-based Google joins a number of companies including Verity Inc, Ask Jeeves Inc and CMGI Inc's AltaVista that are also selling enterprise software. What makes Google different is that it is selling search hardware and software, all contained in a slim device it calls the Google Search Appliance, which businesses can install behind their own corporate firewalls and program to scan whichever documents they wish...The product comes in two versions; one that sells for $20,000 and scales to search up to 150,000 documents and a more powerful version for $250,000, which Google says can scan "millions and millions" of documents." Full-Text of article at: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8761996-0.html More new stuff on the blog: http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com cheers, gary Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Feb 11 10:06:34 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: academic library intranets Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC86@mail1.morrisville.edu> We have just been given a location on our college intranet. When accessed from off campus the intranet requires a username/password to get to it. I just moved our architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious things such as online ILL forms and electronic course reserve, what types of things are put on to such an intranet? Can anyone refer me to any journal or magazine articles? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From ladyhawk at well.com Mon Feb 11 10:21:32 2002 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] academic library intranets In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC86@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3C679B2C.1785.2797A9@localhost> Bill and all, You may find useful info and a number of links in the Tech Note I wrote for PLA on Intranets, http://www.pla.org/publications/technotes/technotes_intranet.html GraceAnne DeCandido Drew, Bill wrote on 11 Feb 2002, about [WEB4LIB] academic library intranets > We have just been given a location on our college intranet. > When accessed from off campus the intranet requires a > username/password to get to it. I just moved our > architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious > things such as online ILL forms and electronic course > reserve, what types of things are put on to such an > intranet? Can anyone refer me to any journal or magazine > articles? > > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > SUNY Morrisville College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ > Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: > http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY > Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - > 2001, 2000 > > GraceAnne A. DeCandido, MLS Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html To be involved with books is to live at the heart of light. Mary Cantwell From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Mon Feb 11 10:49:18 2002 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <200202110043.QAA27853@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4.1.20020211103827.00c64ad0@mail.wittenberg.edu> Quoth "Nancy Sosna Bohm" : >First, to recap what I am asking: >Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? Nancy, Our approach has been to use a redirection script to handle the on- and off-campus URL problem. All of our links look like: http://www6.wittenberg.edu/redirect.php?http://www.jstor.org The redirection script does a few things: 1) logs the transaction for statistical purposes 2) applies any temporary redirects (e.g. "our main server is down today, so for just today send your users to this url instead...) 3) detects IP addresses and reroutes to our proxy server if necessary. This approach could be adapted to your situation by doing what we should have done in the first place: call all databases by an ID number instead of URL, look up the appropriate URL in a database. That way you could have an "off-campus URL" field and an "on-campus URL", and the redirect would fetch whichever one is appropriate. Our databases are stored in a database, but we've been doing all logging on URL, which is great until URLs change and stats start getting weirded. If you're going to put in lots of work to revise your links, how about going all the way to a solution that will be easier to change later? As for the initial change, it looks like it *might* be an automatable task if you have a Perl-junkie in-house. I wouldn't try to automate it for a small changeover, but 100s of DB's on 25 pages sounds like it might be worth putting in code-time. Of course, given a job that would take 2 hours to do by hand or 2 hours to automate, I'd rather take the automation route because it'll be a challenge rather than a bore ;) I hope this helps, Ken Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Mon Feb 11 11:06:27 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources Message-ID: _Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources_ For my next 'Sci-5" column for _Science and Technology Libraries_, I plan to profile a select set of five (5) Useful-But-Generally-Unknown *PATENT* Web resources and invite my Web colleagues to nominate candidate for review. As Always, Any and All recommendations, suggestions, comments, queries. Cosmic Insights, Confessional Testimony, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Feb 11 11:36:51 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] academic library intranets In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC86@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC86@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <75341216523.20020211093651@riverofdata.com> Monday, February 11, 2002, 8:08:26 AM, you wrote: DB> We have just been given a location on our college intranet. When accessed DB> from off campus the intranet requires a username/password to get to it. I DB> just moved our architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious DB> things such as online ILL forms and electronic course reserve, what types of DB> things are put on to such an intranet? Does the login and password mean that students and faculty can access the things on the intranet? If so, the things you include make sense. If not, I hope you'll consider making those resources available off campus. To my way of thinking the above sounds more like an implementation of services that require authenticated access, which doesn't seem different from what you do for databases you license. Our library intranet includes items that are probably of interest to library staff only, such as information from the Social Committee on forthcoming events, monthly acquisitions and cataloging statistics, minutes of meetings, and so forth. Several corporate intranets with which I'm familiar include the same types of things, those that are of interest to, or should only be available to, employees of the organization. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Feb 11 11:38:51 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] academic library intranets Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC8B@mail1.morrisville.edu> Users can access them off campus if they are a member of the college community. There is a separate college staff/faculty intranet as well as one for the entire college community. The intranets are accessible via the web in the same way all of us (at Morrisville) can use the Webmail version of Outlook to check our e-mail from any computer. Sure it is a form of authentication. I think that is good. Bill Drew From eric at openly.com Mon Feb 11 12:07:55 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020211103827.00c64ad0@mail.wittenberg.edu> References: <4.1.20020211103827.00c64ad0@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: Using database identifiers is definitely the right solution! the big payoff is when you use this type of link for everything on your site, it becomes easier to maintain, upgrade, and switch. And for now, there's no need to switch technology- you can just put SSI pages at the end of the database link. Eric >Quoth "Nancy Sosna Bohm" : > >>First, to recap what I am asking: >>Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >>of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >>students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? > >Nancy, > >Our approach has been to use a redirection script to handle the on- and >off-campus URL problem. All of our links look like: >http://www6.wittenberg.edu/redirect.php?http://www.jstor.org >The redirection script does a few things: >1) logs the transaction for statistical purposes >2) applies any temporary redirects (e.g. "our main server is down today, so >for just today send your users to this url instead...) >3) detects IP addresses and reroutes to our proxy server if necessary. > >This approach could be adapted to your situation by doing what we should >have done in the first place: call all databases by an ID number instead of >URL, look up the appropriate URL in a database. That way you could have an >"off-campus URL" field and an "on-campus URL", and the redirect would fetch >whichever one is appropriate. Our databases are stored in a database, but >we've been doing all logging on URL, which is great until URLs change and >stats start getting weirded. If you're going to put in lots of work to >revise your links, how about going all the way to a solution that will be >easier to change later? > >As for the initial change, it looks like it *might* be an automatable task >if you have a Perl-junkie in-house. I wouldn't try to automate it for a >small changeover, but 100s of DB's on 25 pages sounds like it might be >worth putting in code-time. Of course, given a job that would take 2 hours >to do by hand or 2 hours to automate, I'd rather take the automation route >because it'll be a challenge rather than a bore ;) > >I hope this helps, >Ken > > >Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu >Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 >Thomas Library, Wittenberg University -- Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From CHUDSON at flower-mound.com Mon Feb 11 12:33:49 2002 From: CHUDSON at flower-mound.com (Connie Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Clean Slate Message-ID: Is anyone on the list using Clean Slate on their public computers? I've used Deep Freeze on my Win95 public computers and Centurion Guard on the WinNT machines. I'm a lot happier with Deep Freeze, but since they don't make it for WinNT yet, I am considering Clean Slate for a couple of WinNT laptops. Thanks for your help. Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator chudson@flower-mound.com Flower Mound Public Library 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 From cagimon at mplib.org Mon Feb 11 12:40:09 2002 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of ssi's Message-ID: This is similar what we're doing as well: http://www.mplib.org/database.asp The URLs, titles, subject headings, descriptions, etc. are stored in a database on the web server. We look at the IP address, query the database, and serve up to that user the links that they have access to. Users outside the Library get links to databases available remotely, staff members get access to trials, and so on. We also count clickthroughs on the links, which gives us some quick "apples-to-apples" statistics on database usage between the many different vendors. The content in the database of databases is managed by a librarian in our Acquisitions Department, who can add and edit records whenever necessary; the code in the actual pages never changes. The pages themselves are ASP with PerlScript (Perl instead of Visual Basic). --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From razl00 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 13:13:18 2002 From: razl00 at yahoo.com (stephanie spearman) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: resticting users to one website In-Reply-To: <020211093834.896@sals.edu> Message-ID: <20020211181318.80830.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> On our OPACs I create a persistent connection to the catalog with the DOS 'route' command on top or I guess you could say *behind* everything else. But I also pile on the reghacks & browser proxy restrictions and kiosk so they cannot type in a web address (IE5.5 & NT). A page with good DOS explanation is 'computerhope' (isn't that a pleasant name?): http://www.computerhope.com/routehlp.htm Stephanie Spearman Electronic Services Librarian Northwest Ga Regional Library System Dalton, GA --- Robert Sullivan wrote: > >I cannot change the search page or > >can I? I would like to create my own page that > would explain that this pc > >may only be used to access the library catalogue. > This page would reside on > >the hard disk and would open whenever any website > other than the library > >catalogue is requested. > > The location of the search page in NT and Internet > Explorer is in this > Registry key: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet > Explorer\Search > > I set the "CustomizeSearch" value to nothing and the > "SearchAssistant" value to > our chosen search page. > > Bob Sullivan > scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) > http://www.scpl.org > ===== Sometimes the only solution is to find a new problem... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From d.stewart at csuohio.edu Mon Feb 11 16:28:34 2002 From: d.stewart at csuohio.edu (Donna Stewart) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Library Web Page Design In-Reply-To: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B071431C2@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Message-ID: <000201c1b343$10218ee0$f20b9489@ulib.csuohio.edu> Hi, Carolyne - Not quite a month later, I'm finally catching up on Web4Lib mail and ran across your post. This was exactly our intention when we redesigned our library's site a couple of years ago, and what a hard sell it was. Not nearly stodgy - I mean professional - enough for the tastes of our staff, but fortunately our users overruled us. These days when I'm asked to create a new page, people actually ask me to use the "find it" "get it" "do it" language. http://www.ulib.csuohio.edu/ Miami University Libraries has a very nice combination of both approaches: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/ Donna Stewart Cleveland State University Library Systems d.stewart@csuohio.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sidey, Carolyne L Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Library Web Page Design Trying again. Apologies if this has been discussed in the past. I could not find anything in the archives. I am looking for examples of library web pages designed around the concept of what the user would be looking for (as opposed to what the library has to offer) Something along the line of the Microsoft ad - where do you want to go today? Currently my site is organized by services and holdings. Any ideas, samples, comments???? thanks Carolyne Carolyne Sidey Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada 2660 Speakman Drive Mississauga, Ontario CANADA L5K 2L1 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 1 (905) 822-7022 FAX csidey@crt.xerox.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From treed at clearwater-fl.com Mon Feb 11 16:38:20 2002 From: treed at clearwater-fl.com (Reed, Tracey) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Netsurfer Digest goes paid subscription Message-ID: Greetings..... After 8 years, NSD is finally hitting the point that they need to start charging for their ezine. Personally, I'm sad, but after doin' my time at startups that failed because they had no $ coming in, I completely understand. There is an upside to this though: if you'd like to continue to give your patrons free access to the site, they'll set up a free account for you. More information can be found here: http://www.netsurf.com/subs_letter.html For those of you who don't know/haven't run across NSD, it's a great resource. -t ___________________ Tracey Reed Clearwater Public Library System treed@clearwater-fl.com From julie.dornack at mnsu.edu Mon Feb 11 17:13:44 2002 From: julie.dornack at mnsu.edu (Julie Dornack) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: Vacancy Notice - Systems Librarian, Mankato, MN Message-ID: SYSTEMS LIBRARIAN, Minnesota State University, Mankato. Tenure-track, faculty position, Assistant Professor rank. For complete position vacancy: http://www.lib.mnsu.edu/lib/vacancies.html . Applications received by April 15, 2002 will receive priority consideration. AA/EOE. RESPONSIBILITIES: Provide leadership in planning, implementing, and managing information technologies to facilitate library service. Responsible for long-range planning, maintenance, and upgrades of the library's automated systems, hardware and software. Oversee the library's website and provide leadership and technical expertise in the integration of Web-based resources. Coordinate the Library Web Team and collaborate with other campus units on digital initiatives. Lead team of electronic resources librarians to ensure cohesion among all technology-impacted areas. Provide technical expertise in the selection, implementation, and maintenance of online databases. Take leadership role in migration to new statewide integrated library system. Collaborate with local, state and regional groups to investigate new technologies, test software, and recommend appropriate systems to support library services. Supervise Systems staff. Faculty librarians share in collection development work with academic departments, in weekend reference rotation, and in university governance through membership on committees and task forces. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: MLS from an ALA-accredited program. Minimum three years experience managing and implementing systems, including work with an integrated library system. Supervisory experience in an academic library. Demonstrated understanding of how information is organized, accessed, and used to support a comprehensive university library. Demonstrated project management skills. Familiarity with emerging trends and technical standards in digital libraries. Excellent interpersonal and communication skills both written and oral. Demonstrated ability to work independently and collaboratively. Ability to engage in scholarly and professional development activities at the level necessary to meet requirements for tenure and promotion. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS: Experience with OCLC, Novell, and Windows operating platforms, Web programming and scripting languages, SGML/XML, digital conversion and e-publishing. Experience with the Ex Libris Aleph integrated library system and with migration to a new integrated library system. Experience with collection development. Experience with library reference and instruction. Second subject Master's degree (required for tenure). Salary range: $41,105-47,380, depending on qualifications for 9 month academic year. Additional compensation for summer work may be available. Starting date Aug. 19, 2002. TO APPLY: Send detailed letter addressing the above qualifications, curriculum vitae, and names, addresses (including e-mail), and phone numbers of three professional references to: Systems Librarian Search Committee, c/o Becky Schwartzkopf, Memorial Library, ML3097, Minnesota State University, Mankato, POB 8419, Mankato, MN 56002-8419. Phone: (507) 389-5956 TTY: (800) 627-3529 Fax: (507) 389-5155 ----------------------------------------- Julie Dornack Secretary to the Dean, Library Services Minnesota State University, Mankato Memorial Library P.O. Box 8419 / ML3097 Mankato, MN 56002-8419 Phone: 507-389-5953 Fax: 507-389-5155 E-mail: julie.dornack@mnsu.edu From billm at onlineinc.com Mon Feb 11 18:53:11 2002 From: billm at onlineinc.com (Bill Mickey) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:42 2005 Subject: REMOVE Message-ID: <200202120055.QAA22171@webjunction.org> Reply to: REMOVE ........................... Bill Mickey Editor, EContent Magazine web4lib wrote: >This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. >The complete text has been enclosed as a file. > > WEB4LIB Digest 2526 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) resticting users to one website > by Info Galway Library > 2) Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION > by Thomas Dowling > 3) Re: resticting users to one website > by Robert Sullivan > 4) Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION > by Jennie.McKee@directory.reed.edu (Jennie McKee) > 5) Google Unveils New Enterprise "Search Appliance" > by gprice > 6) academic library intranets > by "Drew, Bill" > 7) Re: academic library intranets > by "GraceAnne A. DeCandido" > 8) Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION > by "Kenneth Irwin" > 9) Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources > by "Gerry Mckiernan" > 10) Re: academic library intranets > by Dan Lester > 11) RE: academic library intranets > by "Drew, Bill" > 12) Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION > by Eric Hellman > 13) Clean Slate > by Connie Hudson > 14) Re: Use of ssi's > by "Gimon, Charles A" > 15) Re: resticting users to one website > by stephanie spearman > 16) RE: Library Web Page Design > by Donna Stewart > 17) Netsurfer Digest goes paid subscription > by "Reed, Tracey" > 18) Vacancy Notice - Systems Librarian, Mankato, MN > by Julie Dornack > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Topic No. 1 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:32:36 +0000 >From: Info Galway Library >To: "'web4lib@webjunction.org'" >Subject: resticting users to one website >Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A9989C@galway-primary> > >Hi, > >I would like to restrict users to one website, viz. our library catalogue, >on some of our pcs. I am hoping to do this without using filtering software. >I am using Windows NT workstation and Internet Explorer 5. > >If I specify 127.0.0.1 as the proxy server and specify my allowed site as >the only site that is not to be retrieved by the proxy server, I meet with >some success. However, when any other website is requested, I get a dialog >box saying 'unable to open search page'. I cannot change the search page or >can I? I would like to create my own page that would explain that this pc >may only be used to access the library catalogue. This page would reside on >the hard disk and would open whenever any website other than the library >catalogue is requested. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Regards >John Fitzgibbon > >Galway Public Library >Island House >Cathedral Square >Galway >Ireland > >http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > >Phone: 00 353 91 562471 >Fax: 00 353 91 565039 > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 2 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:05:19 -0500 >From: Thomas Dowling >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION >Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211085627.0228f708@ohiolink.edu> > >At 09:02 AM 2/10/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >>I woke up this morning and thought first thing that y'all will NOT be able >>to see the code after the server has processed the ssi's. >>First, to recap what I am asking: >>Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >>of >>databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >>students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? > > >I don't think it's insanity to use SSI for this, though I think other >server-side technologies will give you more flexibility in the >future. You'll know better than we can whether this is likely to tax your >server, but SSI is usually a pretty lightweight service. (I'm speaking as >an Apache person; if WebSTAR can't do SSI as easily, that's something else >to consider.) > >That said, I think your approach has inefficiencies built in that will make >your server work much harder than necessary. It asks the "What's your >IP?" question over and over, once per database. It seems like you could >ask the question once at the top to set a variable and then just refer to >that variable, or use it once to do an include of either the on-campus >content or the off-campus content. > > >Thomas Dowling >OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 3 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 9:38:34 -0500 >From: Robert Sullivan >To: WEB4LIB@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: resticting users to one website >Message-ID: <020211093834.896@sals.edu> > >>I cannot change the search page or >>can I? I would like to create my own page that would explain that this pc >>may only be used to access the library catalogue. This page would reside on >>the hard disk and would open whenever any website other than the library >>catalogue is requested. > >The location of the search page in NT and Internet Explorer is in this >Registry key: > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search > >I set the "CustomizeSearch" value to nothing and the "SearchAssistant" value to >our chosen search page. > >Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu >Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 4 > >Date: 11 Feb 2002 06:53:28 PST >From: Jennie.McKee@directory.reed.edu (Jennie McKee) >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION >Message-ID: <4542535@rosencrantz.reed.edu> > >Back when I used Webstar (4 years ago before we got a UNIX server and >changed to Apache) I used a couple of HTML commands that Webstar had - HIDE and SHOW >to restrict access to passwords that we showed the students when on logging in >from the campus IP range. You could check into using those. No, I don't think it's >insanity to do what you are doing. > >Jennie McKee >Systems Librarian >Reed College > >--- You wrote: >I woke up this morning and thought first thing that y'all will NOT be able >to see the code after the server has processed the ssi's. >First, to recap what I am asking: >Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >of >databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? > >One of the current pages looks like this: >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbs.html > >Now, to see the code for new version: >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-dbstesty.html >Look here: >http://ulink.net/plum/Home/a-dbstesty.html > >And here again is the page we (3 of us) would fill in with data from the >other 24 pages: >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/journals/a-ztemplate.html >With its code visible here: >http://ulink.net/plum/Home/a-ztemplate.html > >Thank again in advance for any responses. > >--Nancy Bohm > Reference and Web Librarian > Donnelley Library > Lake Forest College > >--- end of quote --- > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 5 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:56 -0500 >From: gprice >To: web4lib >Subject: Google Unveils New Enterprise "Search Appliance" >Message-ID: <3C69AC15@webmail3.gwu.edu> > >A bit of news (what else is new) from Google. > >Google Introduces Corporate "Search Appliance" > >>From the article, "By expanding into the corporate search business, Mountain >View, California-based Google joins a number of companies including Verity >Inc, Ask Jeeves Inc and CMGI Inc's AltaVista that are also selling enterprise >software. What makes Google different is that it is selling search hardware >and software, all contained in a slim device it calls the Google Search >Appliance, which businesses can install behind their own corporate firewalls >and program to scan whichever documents they wish...The product comes in two >versions; one that sells for $20,000 and scales to search up to 150,000 >documents and a more powerful version for $250,000, which Google says can scan >"millions and millions" of documents." > >Full-Text of article at: >http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8761996-0.html > >More new stuff on the blog: >http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com > >cheers, >gary > >Gary D. Price, MLIS >Librarian >Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting >gprice@gwu.edu > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 6 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:06:34 -0500 >From: "Drew, Bill" >To: "Web4Lib (E-mail)" , >Subject: academic library intranets >Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC86@mail1.morrisville.edu > > >We have just been given a location on our college intranet. When accessed >from off campus the intranet requires a username/password to get to it. I >just moved our architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious >things such as online ILL forms and electronic course reserve, what types of >things are put on to such an intranet? Can anyone refer me to any journal >or magazine articles? > > >Wilfred (Bill) Drew >Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >SUNY Morrisville College Library >E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ >Library: http://library.morrisville.edu >Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ >SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 7 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:21:32 -0500 >From: "GraceAnne A. DeCandido" >To: drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU, web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: academic library intranets >Message-ID: <3C679B2C.1785.2797A9@localhost> > >Bill and all, >You may find useful info and a number of links in the Tech >Note I wrote for PLA on Intranets, > >http://www.pla.org/publications/technotes/technotes_intranet.html > >GraceAnne DeCandido > >Drew, Bill wrote on 11 Feb 2002, about [WEB4LIB] academic library intranets > >> We have just been given a location on our college intranet. >> When accessed from off campus the intranet requires a >> username/password to get to it. I just moved our >> architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious >> things such as online ILL forms and electronic course >> reserve, what types of things are put on to such an >> intranet? Can anyone refer me to any journal or magazine >> articles? >> >> >> Wilfred (Bill) Drew >> Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >> SUNY Morrisville College Library >> E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >> BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >> Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ >> Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: >> http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY >> Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - >> 2001, 2000 >> >> > > >GraceAnne A. DeCandido, MLS >Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ >ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html >What's Ladyhawk reading now? >http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html > >To be involved with books is to live at the heart of light. >Mary Cantwell > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 8 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:49:18 -0500 >From: "Kenneth Irwin" >To: web4lib@webjunction.org, plum@ulink.net >Subject: Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION >Message-ID: <4.1.20020211103827.00c64ad0@mail.wittenberg.edu> > >Quoth "Nancy Sosna Bohm" : > >>First, to recap what I am asking: >>Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >>of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >>students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? > >Nancy, > >Our approach has been to use a redirection script to handle the on- and >off-campus URL problem. All of our links look like: >http://www6.wittenberg.edu/redirect.php?http://www.jstor.org >The redirection script does a few things: >1) logs the transaction for statistical purposes >2) applies any temporary redirects (e.g. "our main server is down today, so >for just today send your users to this url instead...) >3) detects IP addresses and reroutes to our proxy server if necessary. > >This approach could be adapted to your situation by doing what we should >have done in the first place: call all databases by an ID number instead of >URL, look up the appropriate URL in a database. That way you could have an >"off-campus URL" field and an "on-campus URL", and the redirect would fetch >whichever one is appropriate. Our databases are stored in a database, but >we've been doing all logging on URL, which is great until URLs change and >stats start getting weirded. If you're going to put in lots of work to >revise your links, how about going all the way to a solution that will be >easier to change later? > >As for the initial change, it looks like it *might* be an automatable task >if you have a Perl-junkie in-house. I wouldn't try to automate it for a >small changeover, but 100s of DB's on 25 pages sounds like it might be >worth putting in code-time. Of course, given a job that would take 2 hours >to do by hand or 2 hours to automate, I'd rather take the automation route >because it'll be a challenge rather than a bore ;) > >I hope this helps, >Ken > > >Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu >Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 >Thomas Library, Wittenberg University > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 9 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:06:27 -0600 >From: "Gerry Mckiernan" >To: >Subject: Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources >Message-ID: > > _Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources_ > > For my next 'Sci-5" column for _Science and Technology Libraries_, I >plan to profile a select set of five (5) Useful-But-Generally-Unknown *PATENT* Web >resources and invite my Web colleagues to nominate candidate for review. > > As Always, Any and All recommendations, suggestions, comments, queries. >Cosmic Insights, Confessional Testimony, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome. > > Regards, > >Gerry McKiernan >Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Librarian >Iowa State University >Ames IA 50011 > >gerrymck@iastate.edu > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 10 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:36:51 -0700 >From: Dan Lester >To: "Drew, Bill" >Subject: Re: academic library intranets >Message-ID: <75341216523.20020211093651@riverofdata.com> > >Monday, February 11, 2002, 8:08:26 AM, you wrote: >DB> We have just been given a location on our college intranet. When accessed >DB> from off campus the intranet requires a username/password to get to it. I >DB> just moved our architecture slide collection to it. Other than obvious >DB> things such as online ILL forms and electronic course reserve, what types of >DB> things are put on to such an intranet? > >Does the login and password mean that students and faculty can access >the things on the intranet? If so, the things you include make sense. >If not, I hope you'll consider making those resources available off >campus. > >To my way of thinking the above sounds more like an implementation of >services that require authenticated access, which doesn't seem >different from what you do for databases you license. Our library >intranet includes items that are probably of interest to library staff >only, such as information from the Social Committee on forthcoming >events, monthly acquisitions and cataloging statistics, minutes of >meetings, and so forth. Several corporate intranets with which I'm >familiar include the same types of things, those that are of interest >to, or should only be available to, employees of the organization. > >cheers > >dan > >-- >Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 >3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA >www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 11 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:38:51 -0500 >From: "Drew, Bill" >To: "'Dan Lester'" , >Cc: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: academic library intranets >Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BC8B@mail1.morrisville.edu > > >Users can access them off campus if they are a member of the college >community. There is a separate college staff/faculty intranet as well as >one for the entire college community. The intranets are accessible via the >web in the same way all of us (at Morrisville) can use the Webmail version >of Outlook to check our e-mail from any computer. Sure it is a form of >authentication. I think that is good. > >Bill Drew > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 12 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:07:55 -0500 >From: Eric Hellman >To: kirwin@wittenberg.edu >Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: Use of ssi's--CORRECTION >Message-ID: > >Using database identifiers is definitely the right solution! > >the big payoff is when you use this type of link for everything on >your site, it becomes easier to maintain, upgrade, and switch. > >And for now, there's no need to switch technology- you can just put >SSI pages at the end of the database link. > >Eric > >>Quoth "Nancy Sosna Bohm" : >> >>>First, to recap what I am asking: >>>Is it insanity to to recode 25 pages of links to & info about our hundreds >>>of databases using ssi's to "hide" and "show" the appropriate links when >>>students are on or off campus (depending on IP range)? >> >>Nancy, >> >>Our approach has been to use a redirection script to handle the on- and >>off-campus URL problem. All of our links look like: >>http://www6.wittenberg.edu/redirect.php?http://www.jstor.org >>The redirection script does a few things: >>1) logs the transaction for statistical purposes >>2) applies any temporary redirects (e.g. "our main server is down today, so >>for just today send your users to this url instead...) >>3) detects IP addresses and reroutes to our proxy server if necessary. >> >>This approach could be adapted to your situation by doing what we should >>have done in the first place: call all databases by an ID number instead of >>URL, look up the appropriate URL in a database. That way you could have an >>"off-campus URL" field and an "on-campus URL", and the redirect would fetch >>whichever one is appropriate. Our databases are stored in a database, but >>we've been doing all logging on URL, which is great until URLs change and >>stats start getting weirded. If you're going to put in lots of work to >>revise your links, how about going all the way to a solution that will be >>easier to change later? >> >>As for the initial change, it looks like it *might* be an automatable task >>if you have a Perl-junkie in-house. I wouldn't try to automate it for a >>small changeover, but 100s of DB's on 25 pages sounds like it might be >>worth putting in code-time. Of course, given a job that would take 2 hours >>to do by hand or 2 hours to automate, I'd rather take the automation route >>because it'll be a challenge rather than a bore ;) >> >>I hope this helps, >>Ken >> >> >>Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu >>Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 >>Thomas Library, Wittenberg University > >-- >Eric Hellman > >Openly Informatics, Inc. >http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything >http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 13 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:33:49 -0600 >From: Connie Hudson >To: "'web4lib@webjunction.org'" >Subject: Clean Slate >Message-ID: > >Is anyone on the list using Clean Slate on their public computers? I've used >Deep Freeze on my Win95 public computers and Centurion Guard on the WinNT >machines. I'm a lot happier with Deep Freeze, but since they don't make it >for WinNT yet, I am considering Clean Slate for a couple of WinNT laptops. > >Thanks for your help. > > >Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator >chudson@flower-mound.com >Flower Mound Public Library >3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 >972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 14 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:40:09 -0600 >From: "Gimon, Charles A" >To: "'web4lib@webjunction.org'" >Subject: Re: Use of ssi's >Message-ID: > >This is similar what we're doing as well: > >http://www.mplib.org/database.asp > >The URLs, titles, subject headings, descriptions, etc. are stored in a >database on the web server. We look at the IP address, query the database, >and serve up to that user the links that they have access to. Users outside >the Library get links to databases available remotely, staff members get >access to trials, and so on. > >We also count clickthroughs on the links, which gives us some quick >"apples-to-apples" statistics on database usage between the many different >vendors. > >The content in the database of databases is managed by a librarian in our >Acquisitions Department, who can add and edit records whenever necessary; >the code in the actual pages never changes. The pages themselves are ASP >with PerlScript (Perl instead of Visual Basic). > >--Charles Gimon > Web Coordinator > Minneapolis Public Library > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 15 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:13:18 -0800 (PST) >From: stephanie spearman >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Re: resticting users to one website >Message-ID: <20020211181318.80830.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> > >On our OPACs I create a persistent connection to the >catalog with the DOS 'route' command on top or I guess >you could say *behind* everything else. But I also >pile on the reghacks & browser proxy restrictions and >kiosk so they cannot type in a web address (IE5.5 & >NT). A page with good DOS explanation is >'computerhope' (isn't that a pleasant name?): >http://www.computerhope.com/routehlp.htm > >Stephanie Spearman >Electronic Services Librarian >Northwest Ga Regional Library System >Dalton, GA > >--- Robert Sullivan wrote: >> >I cannot change the search page or >> >can I? I would like to create my own page that >> would explain that this pc >> >may only be used to access the library catalogue. >> This page would reside on >> >the hard disk and would open whenever any website >> other than the library >> >catalogue is requested. >> >> The location of the search page in NT and Internet >> Explorer is in this >> Registry key: >> >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet >> Explorer\Search >> >> I set the "CustomizeSearch" value to nothing and the >> "SearchAssistant" value to >> our chosen search page. >> >> Bob Sullivan >> scp_sulli@sals.edu >> Schenectady County Public Library (NY) >> http://www.scpl.org >> > > >===== >Sometimes the only solution is to find a new problem... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 16 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:28:34 -0500 >From: Donna Stewart >To: Carolyne.Sidey@crt.xerox.com, >Subject: RE: Library Web Page Design >Message-ID: <000201c1b343$10218ee0$f20b9489@ulib.csuohio.edu> > >Hi, Carolyne - > >Not quite a month later, I'm finally catching up on Web4Lib mail and ran >across your post. This was exactly our intention when we redesigned our >library's site a couple of years ago, and what a hard sell it was. Not >nearly stodgy - I mean professional - enough for the tastes of our staff, >but fortunately our users overruled us. These days when I'm asked to create >a new page, people actually ask me to use the "find it" "get it" "do it" >language. > >http://www.ulib.csuohio.edu/ > >Miami University Libraries has a very nice combination of both approaches: >http://www.lib.muohio.edu/ > >Donna Stewart >Cleveland State University Library Systems >d.stewart@csuohio.edu > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sidey, Carolyne L >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:18 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Library Web Page Design > > >Trying again. > >Apologies if this has been discussed in the past. I could not find anything >in the archives. > >I am looking for examples of library web pages designed around the concept >of what the user would be looking for (as opposed to what the library has to >offer) > >Something along the line of the Microsoft ad - where do you want to go >today? > >Currently my site is organized by services and holdings. Any ideas, >samples, comments???? > >thanks > >Carolyne > > > > >Carolyne Sidey >Manager, XRCC Library >Xerox Research Centre of Canada >2660 Speakman Drive >Mississauga, Ontario >CANADA L5K 2L1 >1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 >1 (905) 822-7022 FAX > csidey@crt.xerox.com > > > > > >***************************************************************** >**** >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >***************************************************************** >**** > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 17 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:38:20 -0500 >From: "Reed, Tracey" >To: "'web4lib'" >Subject: Netsurfer Digest goes paid subscription >Message-ID: > >Greetings..... > >After 8 years, NSD is finally hitting the point that they need to start >charging for their ezine. Personally, I'm sad, but after doin' my time at >startups that failed because they had no $ coming in, I completely >understand. > >There is an upside to this though: if you'd like to continue to give your >patrons free access to the site, they'll set up a free account for you. > >More information can be found here: http://www.netsurf.com/subs_letter.h tml > >For those of you who don't know/haven't run across NSD, it's a great >resource. > >-t > >___________________ >Tracey Reed >Clearwater Public Library System >treed@clearwater-fl.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Topic No. 18 > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:13:44 -0600 (Central Standard Time) >From: Julie Dornack >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: Vacancy Notice - Systems Librarian, Mankato, MN >Message-ID: > >SYSTEMS LIBRARIAN, Minnesota State University, Mankato. >Tenure-track, faculty position, Assistant Professor rank. > >For complete position vacancy: >http://www.lib.mnsu.edu/lib/vacancies.html . Applications >received by April 15, 2002 will receive priority consideration. >AA/EOE. > >RESPONSIBILITIES: Provide leadership in planning, implementing, >and managing information technologies to facilitate library >service. Responsible for long-range planning, maintenance, and >upgrades of the library's automated systems, hardware and >software. Oversee the library's website and provide leadership >and technical expertise in the integration of Web-based >resources. Coordinate the Library Web Team and collaborate with >other campus units on digital initiatives. Lead team of >electronic resources librarians to ensure cohesion among all >technology-impacted areas. Provide technical expertise in the >selection, implementation, and maintenance of online databases. >Take leadership role in migration to new statewide integ From Bert.Coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be Tue Feb 12 08:04:19 2002 From: Bert.Coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be (Bert Coenen) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: library floor plan Message-ID: we have contraced a design firm to restyle the floor plans of our library (both for our web-site and our information brochures, posters etc.). so far, they have not produced anything we particularly liked, so now here I am looking for examples of floor plans that I/we like for them to use as a starting point. if any of you know of good examples of floor plans that can be found on the internet, I'd very much like to see them, thanks From jeffw+ at pitt.edu Tue Feb 12 09:21:04 2002 From: jeffw+ at pitt.edu (Jeff Wisniewski) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: capturing form data Message-ID: <3C6924D0.FE330342@pitt.edu> Hi, We recently implemented a new books list service that allows users to select subject area and some sorting and limiting parameter via an online form, and generate a list of new materials purchased. Use use PHP to talk to a mySQL database, with a lot of Perl to pull data from an Oracle database that populate the mySQL. My question is: how can we go about capturing and analyzing data on the choices that users are making i.e. how many times has this subject been selected versus this subject? Is this submitted data logged in the server logs? We've analyzed our logs using webtrends and can get standard stats (hits, views, visitor sessions, etc. ) on the form page itself, but as of yet haven't figured out how to get at what users are submitting. Do we need to use more sophisticated log analysis software? Thanks in advance. Jeff Wisniewski Web Services Librarian University Library System University of Pittsburgh From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 12 09:47:50 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] capturing form data In-Reply-To: <3C6924D0.FE330342@pitt.edu> Message-ID: No, standard server logs don't capture this kind of information. You need click-through tracking which you can do in PHP. The basic procedure is to set up a database table that can hold all the raw data from a form submission and every time someone submits form data you insert that data along with a timestamp and some CGI environment information (the user's ip, refering page, etc) and cookie data if you're maintaining session information. You might want to have a look at Philip Greenspun's chapter on User-Tracking at: http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/user-tracking Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Jeff Wisniewski wrote: > Hi, > > We recently implemented a new books list service that allows users to > select subject area and some sorting and limiting parameter via an > online form, and generate a list of new materials purchased. Use use PHP > to talk to a mySQL database, with a lot of Perl to pull data from an > Oracle database that populate the mySQL. > > My question is: how can we go about capturing and analyzing data on the > choices that users are making i.e. how many times has this subject been > selected versus this subject? Is this submitted data logged in the > server logs? We've analyzed our logs using webtrends and can get > standard stats (hits, views, visitor sessions, etc. ) on the form page > itself, but as of yet haven't figured out how to get at what users are > submitting. Do we need to use more sophisticated log analysis software? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jeff Wisniewski > Web Services Librarian > University Library System > University of Pittsburgh > > From FredrikR at ipfw.edu Tue Feb 12 09:49:35 2002 From: FredrikR at ipfw.edu (Fredrick_Kevin) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] library floor plan Message-ID: Try - http://www.lib.ipfw.edu/library_info/tour/ Kevin Fredrick Software Technician Walter E. Helmke Library Indiana University - Purdue University Fort Wayne 260-481-5445 http://www.lib.ipfw.edu/ >>> "Bert Coenen" 02/12/02 08:17AM >>> we have contraced a design firm to restyle the floor plans of our library (both for our web-site and our information brochures, posters etc.). so far, they have not produced anything we particularly liked, so now here I am looking for examples of floor plans that I/we like for them to use as a starting point. if any of you know of good examples of floor plans that can be found on the internet, I'd very much like to see them, thanks From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 12 09:57:30 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] capturing form data In-Reply-To: <3C6924D0.FE330342@pitt.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212094852.022a1df8@ohiolink.edu> At 09:28 AM 2/12/2002, Jeff Wisniewski wrote: >We recently implemented a new books list service that allows users to >select subject area and some sorting and limiting parameter via an >online form, and generate a list of new materials purchased. Use use PHP >to talk to a mySQL database, with a lot of Perl to pull data from an >Oracle database that populate the mySQL. > >My question is: how can we go about capturing and analyzing data on the >choices that users are making i.e. how many times has this subject been >selected versus this subject? Is this submitted data logged in the >server logs? We've analyzed our logs using webtrends and can get >standard stats (hits, views, visitor sessions, etc. ) on the form page >itself, but as of yet haven't figured out how to get at what users are >submitting. Do we need to use more sophisticated log analysis software? A lot may depend on whether you created your forms with a method of GET or POST. If GET, the variables sent by the form are included in the "action" URL's query string--the part after the question mark--and should be in your server logs. If POST, the variables sent by the form are provided as standard input to the action URL, and are probably not logged by the web server; whether or not they're logged by the Perl script you post to is a question for your developers. If the information you want is being logged somewhere, the questions you're asking are probably just too specific for any off-the-shelf log analysis tool, but will be a piece of cake for a short Perl script. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 12 10:22:07 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: The Changing Academic Library Message-ID: >From SFGate (2/10/02) "Preference for online research has its price" http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/02/10/MN169969.DTL Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Say Cheese, You Poor Emulsion-Film Dinosaurs http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37797,FF.html From Bert.Coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be Tue Feb 12 10:44:10 2002 From: Bert.Coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be (Bert Coenen) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: some more on library floor plan Message-ID: I'll start by thanking everyone who replied to my first email, but I was in fact looking for something different from what you've sent me. I'll be a bit more specific as to what I'm after. we want to move beyond the basic, static two-dimensional floor plan, we're trying to come up with a 3 dimensional model of our library that allows for a certain amount of interactivity (clickable areas, areas that light up when a certain link is clicked -e.g. where are the toilets- etc.) the online version of this plan would almost certainly have to be made in Flash or something similar. I have spent some time looking for examples of such a floorplan (not just on library-websites, also on websites of major museums and some airports) but so far I haven' t found anything resembling the kind of floorplan I have in mind. has anyone of you ever come across such a floor-plan-thingy (it does not necessarily have to be a library's)? if so, I'd very much like to see it. bert From wrodgers at uoguelph.ca Tue Feb 12 10:47:25 2002 From: wrodgers at uoguelph.ca (Wendy Rodgers) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: library floor plan References: <3C6924D0.FE330342@pitt.edu> Message-ID: <3C69390D.D2B4322A@uoguelph.ca> Hello Bert et al, Our online floor plans at the University of Guelph (Ontario, Canada) are not too bad. You can view them at: http://www.webapps.ccs.uoguelph.ca/library/lib/cno/whereIs.cfm Users can simply view the plans, or enter a call number and have the specific floor and stack location highlighted on the plan. Cheers, Wendy Rodgers -- Information Services Librarian University of Guelph Library Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G 2W1 (519) 824-4120 ext. 6801 wrodgers@uoguelph.ca web4lib@webjunction.org wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:04:19 +0100 > From: "Bert Coenen" > To: > Subject: library floor plan > Message-ID: > > we have contraced a design firm to restyle the floor plans of our library > (both for our web-site and our information brochures, posters etc.). > so far, they have not produced anything we particularly liked, so now here I > am looking for examples of floor plans that I/we like for them to use as a > starting point. > if any of you know of good examples of floor plans that can be found on the > internet, I'd very much like to see them, > > thanks From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Feb 12 10:57:05 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Changing Academic Library Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5AA3@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Interesting article, but there are a couple of things that give me pause: 1. "Users, who can search through years of materials with the click of a mouse, are swamping librarians with e-mailed reference questions." I don't think I've seen any data that shows e-mail reference usage coming close to the volume of face-to-face reference, let alone "swamping librarians". 2. "Plagiarism is at an all-time high -- up about 40 percent in the past five years -- because students can easily cut and paste material from the Web." A recent study featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education seems to suggest otherwise: http://chronicle.com/free/2002/02/2002020101t.htm Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Shirl Kennedy [mailto:sdk@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Changing Academic Library >From SFGate (2/10/02) "Preference for online research has its price" http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/02/10/MN169969.DTL Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Say Cheese, You Poor Emulsion-Film Dinosaurs http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37797,FF.html From jkoops at calvin.edu Tue Feb 12 11:05:37 2002 From: jkoops at calvin.edu (Jed Koops) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] some more on library floor plan Message-ID: Bert, You might check out the "Building Search" demo on Adobe's SVG site: http://www.adobe.com/svg/demos/main.html It's the third example down. Requires the SVG plugin, but I believe it's similar to what you're asking about. Jed Koops \_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\ Jed Koops Library Systems Programmer, Calvin College Hekman Library 308, (616) 957-8673 /`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/ >>> "Bert Coenen" 02/12/02 10:50AM >>> I'll start by thanking everyone who replied to my first email, but I was in fact looking for something different from what you've sent me. I'll be a bit more specific as to what I'm after. we want to move beyond the basic, static two-dimensional floor plan, we're trying to come up with a 3 dimensional model of our library that allows for a certain amount of interactivity (clickable areas, areas that light up when a certain link is clicked -e.g. where are the toilets- etc.) the online version of this plan would almost certainly have to be made in Flash or something similar. I have spent some time looking for examples of such a floorplan (not just on library-websites, also on websites of major museums and some airports) but so far I haven' t found anything resembling the kind of floorplan I have in mind. has anyone of you ever come across such a floor-plan-thingy (it does not necessarily have to be a library's)? if so, I'd very much like to see it. bert From jremley at lms.kent.edu Tue Feb 12 12:58:10 2002 From: jremley at lms.kent.edu (Jeph Remley) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] some more on library floor plan References: Message-ID: <00d401c1b3ee$d58a17f0$6e147b83@sn3r84801> You could try taking a look at the Virtual Tour I set up for our library a year or two ago... http://www.library.kent.edu/tour/ Most of the pages will have two Flash movies in the bottom corners, with the right side movie being the building in 3D and the left side using a floor plan for the specific floor. The pages could easily use a revision, but it's been a low priority - it might at least give you some ideas. We had talked about how much fun it would be to make it more detailed - putting in a call number you wanted and the maps would show you about where to walk, making the 3D building a bit more detailed, etc. - Jeph Remley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Coenen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] some more on library floor plan > I'll start by thanking everyone who replied to my first email, but I was in > fact looking for something different from what you've sent me. > I'll be a bit more specific as to what I'm after. we want to move beyond the > basic, static two-dimensional floor plan, we're trying to come up with a 3 > dimensional model of our library that allows for a certain amount of > interactivity (clickable areas, areas that light up when a certain link is > clicked -e.g. where are the toilets- etc.) the online version of this plan > would almost certainly have to be made in Flash or something similar. I have > spent some time looking for examples of such a floorplan (not just on > library-websites, also on websites of major museums and some airports) but so > far I haven' t found anything resembling the kind of floorplan I have in mind. > has anyone of you ever come across such a floor-plan-thingy (it does not > necessarily have to be a library's)? if so, I'd very much like to see it. > > bert > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 12 13:45:01 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: <3C6924D0.FE330342@pitt.edu> Message-ID: Our library calendar of events is a frequently visited resource on our web site. With the increasing use of PDA's, I was wondering if there is a way to set up links so that they can be easily added to PDA calendar programs? Although I own a Palm, I have to admit that I haven't gotten much beyond doing some noodling around with ebooks and integration with my Outlook calendar. I'm hoping that some of you savvy Palm/Handspring/Etc. users can share the process of integrating web resources and whether there's a way for library web sites to become more PDA friendly. Thank you! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 12 14:03:02 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wasn't it on this list within the last week or so that someone posted something about a site/blog called Handheld Librarian (http://handheldlib.blogspot.com/)? Among the other useful info there...page includes some links to "handheld libraries." Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Why Should Anyone Believe You? http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,37748,FF.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Andrew I. Mutch > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:48 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDA friendly web sites? > > > Our library calendar of events is a frequently visited resource on our web > site. With the increasing use of PDA's, I was wondering if there is a way > to set up links so that they can be easily added to PDA calendar programs? > > Although I own a Palm, I have to admit that I haven't gotten much beyond > doing some noodling around with ebooks and integration with my Outlook > calendar. I'm hoping that some of you savvy Palm/Handspring/Etc. users > can share the process of integrating web resources and whether there's a > way for library web sites to become more PDA friendly. > > Thank you! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > From beades at med.unc.edu Tue Feb 12 14:03:55 2002 From: beades at med.unc.edu (Lynn Eades) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDA friendly web sites? References: Message-ID: <3C69671B.EB49048D@med.unc.edu> Andrew, I have created a PDA library channel for our library information. It is accessible via AvantGo. I used XHTML Basic to create the pages. If your pages are ADA compliant, they can be viewed on a Palm. However, you will want to add the following meta tag: I would also look at the content on the page and see if it can be cut down. You don't have a lot or real estate on a PDA (150x150 for Palm, 260x225 for PocketPC). You can access the instructions for our channel at the following URL: http://www.hsl.unc.edu/pda/hslpda.cfm I would happy to talk with you about our channel. Just email! Lynn "Andrew I. Mutch" wrote: > Our library calendar of events is a frequently visited resource on our web > site. With the increasing use of PDA's, I was wondering if there is a way > to set up links so that they can be easily added to PDA calendar programs? > > Although I own a Palm, I have to admit that I haven't gotten much beyond > doing some noodling around with ebooks and integration with my Outlook > calendar. I'm hoping that some of you savvy Palm/Handspring/Etc. users > can share the process of integrating web resources and whether there's a > way for library web sites to become more PDA friendly. > > Thank you! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI -- B. Lynn Eades Web Development Librarian Health Sciences Library CB# 7585 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7585 Phone: (919) 966-8012 Email: beades@med.unc.edu From pfa at umich.edu Tue Feb 12 14:14:25 2002 From: pfa at umich.edu (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Andrew, The Medical Library Association had a teleconference on Feb. 6 which included information on how to design Palm friendly web sites. They have more information about the teleconference at: http://www.mlanet.org/ Sync or Swim: Managing the Flood of PDAs in Health Care http://www.mlanet.org/education/telecon/pda/index.html The video from the conference is available for purchase, $94. Contact kathleen Combs (mlapd1@mlahq.org) for more information. The short answer was basically, make the web site truly ADA compatible or use PDFs for graphics and embedded fonts if those are significant. Good luck! Pat Anderson, pfa@umich.edu On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Andrew I. Mutch wrote: > Our library calendar of events is a frequently visited resource on our web > site. With the increasing use of PDA's, I was wondering if there is a way > to set up links so that they can be easily added to PDA calendar programs? > > Although I own a Palm, I have to admit that I haven't gotten much beyond > doing some noodling around with ebooks and integration with my Outlook > calendar. I'm hoping that some of you savvy Palm/Handspring/Etc. users > can share the process of integrating web resources and whether there's a > way for library web sites to become more PDA friendly. > > Thank you! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 12 14:22:38 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: Sorry, Time's Up! Message-ID: The latest fad among jobless techies in San Francisco? Taxpayer-funded Internet access at public libraries. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_07/c3770605.htm#B3770607 Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Why Should Anyone Believe You? http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,37748,FF.html From Glenn_Risolo at boces.monroe.edu Tue Feb 12 15:25:26 2002 From: Glenn_Risolo at boces.monroe.edu (Glenn_Risolo@boces.monroe.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: accesing catalog via web browser Message-ID: Didn't find much in the archives, so... I have several schools using SIRS Mandarin's M3 running on Novell servers. I need a product that will allow users to acces the catalog using a web browser. Mandarin's Web Gateway product only works with NT servers. Does anyone know of such a product? TIA. Glenn Risolo Computer Services Liaison Monroe #1 BOCES - Technology Services Helpdesk: (585) 383-2217 glenn_risolo@boces.monroe.edu From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Feb 12 16:48:47 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: Preliminary hearing in British Telecom hyperlinks patent case Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5AB5@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> FYI.... "A British company claimed in federal court Monday that it owns the patent on hyperlinks..." Full article at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/11/hyperlink.claim.ap/index.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From turcotte at arc.ab.ca Tue Feb 12 17:18:26 2002 From: turcotte at arc.ab.ca (Dawna Turcotte) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Preliminary hearing in British Telecom hyperlinks patent case In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5AB5@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: FYI: it is US patent #4,873,662 October 10, 1989 Dawna Turcotte, Librarian ARC Vegreville Library and Information Centre Alberta Research Council Highway 16A 75th Street Vegreville, AB T9C 1T4 (780)632-8416 (780)632-8300 (FAX) turcotte@arc.ab.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Preliminary hearing in British Telecom hyperlinks patent case FYI.... "A British company claimed in federal court Monday that it owns the patent on hyperlinks..." Full article at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/11/hyperlink.claim.ap/index.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Feb 12 17:29:41 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: Web-accessible info and library budget reductions? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5ABA@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> The February 2002 print issue of American Libraries has a news item headlined "Washington Governor Proposes Closing State Library." Of course the major impetus for the proposal is a massive state budget shortfall, but the news item contains an interesting quote from the governor's budget assistant: "The governor's view is that many agencies are accessing most of their information online." I was wondering if anyone knows of other examples where the rationale for a library budget reduction proposal has been based, at least in part, on this rationale (i.e., people get a lot of their info via the Web). Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From turcotte at arc.ab.ca Tue Feb 12 17:51:15 2002 From: turcotte at arc.ab.ca (Dawna Turcotte) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gerry, Try out my favourite free Patent web resource: SurfIP from Singapore http://www.surfip.gov.sg/sip_home.htm - provides free one-stop access to patent databases and related web information worldwide. Dawna Turcotte, Librarian ARC Vegreville Library and Information Centre Alberta Research Council Highway 16A 75th Street Vegreville, AB T9C 1T4 (780)632-8416 (780)632-8300 (FAX) turcotte@arc.ab.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Gerry Mckiernan Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources _Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Patent Web Resources_ For my next 'Sci-5" column for _Science and Technology Libraries_, I plan to profile a select set of five (5) Useful-But-Generally-Unknown *PATENT* Web resources and invite my Web colleagues to nominate candidate for review. As Always, Any and All recommendations, suggestions, comments, queries. Cosmic Insights, Confessional Testimony, Etc. Etc. Etc. are Most Welcome. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Useful-But-Generally-Unknown Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From dooleyj at memphis.lib.tn.us Tue Feb 12 17:59:47 2002 From: dooleyj at memphis.lib.tn.us (John Dooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: E-FILE ON PUBLIC COMPUTERS Message-ID: <000e01c1b418$f7d83100$ec01c80a@vax1.memphis.lib.tn.us> Does anyone know if any of the E-partners identified by the IRS can process tax preparation and filing via typical library public access Internet clients? Mix library public internet access with the IRS, and what do you get? The IRS is publicizing free and for fee "E-file" partners for online income tax preparation and filing. The IRS web site does not identify the technical requirements involved. A random check of just one of the 20+ partners sites indicates that the service will not work unless the customers computer will accept permenent cookies. Libraries providing free Internet access use a variety of security measures which include things like not allowing permenent cookies, loading of softare etc. We have sent an inquiry to the IRS about this, but was wondering if anyone else has looked into this before we sit down and try all of the services, one by one, to see what requirements are involved. Any helful information or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, John Dooley Computer Resources Librarian / Webmaster Automated Services Memphis Shelby County Public Library and Information Center. 3030 Poplar Ave. Memphis TN 38111-3527 ph 901-415-2806 email dooleyj@memphis.lib.tn.us www www.memphislibrary.org From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Feb 12 18:18:42 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <039b01c1b41b$9d598190$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> In re Avantgo, I contacted them about an official Avantgo channel for lii.org and was told that it would cost about $25,000 a year, but because we were nonprofit they'd sell it to us for half that. I thanked them for the information. I'm not sure what my actual price for an Avantgo channel would be, but though I'm a fiscal realist, it's still less than $12,000. On the other hand, if this were a big enough organization, $12k might seem pretty reasonable for a chance to be listed on Avantgo. ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Tue Feb 12 18:37:06 2002 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212172736.03e8d3d8@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> >I bought a Handspring 2 weeks ago just so I could start researching the >same issues. Haven't got beyond synching to the calendar yet. Somewhere in the last week or two I read an authoritative-sounding assertion that any ADA-compliant web site will display very well on a handheld. I don't know that it's true - I was under the impression that, for instance, a site written in XML would scale much more efficiently than one done in HTML, as far as seeing everything in the display, etc., although a site can be all HTML and still be compliant. I too am looking for any interesting uses of handhelds. Someone mentioned to me the other day that sometimes she goes into the stacks to look up a book for a patron, finds it's not exactly what was wanted, and has to walk a long way back to an OPAC to look again. She wondered if with a PDA she could search again from within the stacks. Seems to me that all you would need would be a wireless access point somewhere within line of sight to enable that. Can anyone confirm or deny that? We will be opening a Technology Center this summer, with wireless NICs in all machines. This will be our pilot project for wireless in the library. I'm hoping to find other ways to leverage the wireless technology and PDAs to open up new efficiencies - such as redoing that search from deep in the stacks. I too would appreciate feedback, experience and suggestions. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Feb 12 18:52:52 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212172736.03e8d3d8@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: Robin, As I understand it, if you use CSS to lay out the site and get rid of the superfluous HTML hacks, the HTML should degrade nicely in the wireless display. No, you probably won't get the same display. However, as you are using the HTML to logically mark-up the content instead of for design tricks, the content should still be presented in a coherent manner. I can't speak to the efficiency of XML versus HTML. I guess it all depends on how it is used. I like the idea of using the wireless PDA to access the catalog in the stacks. It seems to me that with a well-designed catalog (OK, that's the first obstacle), that this should be pretty easy to implement. I'm confident that someone is already doing this successfully. I think at LITA last fall, one of the presenters was talking about doing that very thing. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI > Somewhere in the last week or two I read an authoritative-sounding > assertion that any ADA-compliant web site will display very well on a > handheld. I don't know that it's true - I was under the impression that, > for instance, a site written in XML would scale much more efficiently than > one done in HTML, as far as seeing everything in the display, etc., > although a site can be all HTML and still be compliant. > > I too am looking for any interesting uses of handhelds. Someone mentioned > to me the other day that sometimes she goes into the stacks to look up a > book for a patron, finds it's not exactly what was wanted, and has to walk > a long way back to an OPAC to look again. She wondered if with a PDA she > could search again from within the stacks. Seems to me that all you would > need would be a wireless access point somewhere within line of sight to > enable that. Can anyone confirm or deny that? > > We will be opening a Technology Center this summer, with wireless NICs in > all machines. This will be our pilot project for wireless in the library. > I'm hoping to find other ways to leverage the wireless technology and PDAs > to open up new efficiencies - such as redoing that search from deep in the > stacks. I too would appreciate feedback, experience and suggestions. > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 12 19:30:43 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212172736.03e8d3d8@lincserver1.linc.lib.il .us> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212192109.009e1710@ohiolink.edu> At 03:44 PM 2/12/02 -0800, Robin Boulton wrote: >Somewhere in the last week or two I read an authoritative-sounding >assertion that any ADA-compliant web site will display very well on a >handheld. I don't know that it's true - I was under the impression that, >for instance, a site written in XML would scale much more efficiently than >one done in HTML, as far as seeing everything in the display, etc., >although a site can be all HTML and still be compliant. AFAIK, the ADA doesn't provide sufficient details on web design to say one way or the other. But a site that complies with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines at double-A level is already pretty well guaranteed to work regardless of browser hacks, screen resolution, font size, color depth, scripting, or image support. That, in a nutshell, is what you have to do to display a web site to PDAs. Also AFAIK, you can trick out a site with the latest and greatest in XML + XSLT + [technology of your choice]... and still create an inaccessible mess. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK tdowling@ohiolink.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 12 19:35:25 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PDA friendly web sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212193113.009e0860@ohiolink.edu> > >I like the idea of using the wireless PDA to access the catalog in the >stacks. It seems to me that with a well-designed catalog (OK, that's the >first obstacle), that this should be pretty easy to implement. I'm >confident that someone is already doing this successfully. I think at LITA >last fall, one of the presenters was talking about doing that very thing. I''ve been searching our Innovative WebPAC pretty successfully for a couple of years, using several PalmOS browsers. Not surprisingly, the few functions it just plain can't do are the ones that have the most erroneous markup (forms with no action are the most common culprits). A lot of pages would benefit from getting away from table markup, but they work. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK tdowling@ohiolink.edu From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Tue Feb 12 20:25:18 2002 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web-accessible info and library budget reductions? In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5ABA@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5ABA@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: >"The governor's view is that many agencies are accessing most of their >information online." This seems to be a common (mis)conception about online resources, that the information just gets there magically. There is the notion that online access means that there will no longer be any need for "intermediaries" such as publishers or libraries or journalists. Who do they think puts the information online? -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz -- ================================================================== Lee David Jaffe Library Computing & Network Services 168B McHenry Library ldjaffe@cats.ucsc.edu University of California 831.459.3297 fax: 831.459.8206 Santa Cruz, California 95064 http://people.ucsc.edu/~ldjaffe From missplumeau at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 06:38:11 2002 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: calendar on website In-Reply-To: <200202270746.AA756744840@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228053232.00a0c1b0@127.0.0.1> I have been using the free version of Localendar (www.localendar.com), a web based calendar. They also have a small fee version. It is very customizable and lets us place hyperlinks: http://www.scrantonlibrary.com/PagesEvent/eventlibcal.htm and http://www.hchlibrary.org/PagesChildren/childcalendarfs.htm (with hyperlinks to registration forms) Hélène Bardinet Webmestre www.helenebardinet.com missplumeau@earthlink.net >For our library system's needs, we've concluded that the ability to insert >hyperlinks into the calendar display is an essential feature. In brief >playing with Outlook, I haven't seen if that is possible. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From treed at clearwater-fl.com Thu Feb 28 08:55:30 2002 From: treed at clearwater-fl.com (Reed, Tracey) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: Hotmail changes Message-ID: Thought y'all would be interested in this (personal opinions notwithstanding...) > It's been brought to my attention that Hotmail is now offering a "pay" > service. Seems that for $19.95/month, they'll give you extra "stuff" that > you can get from any ISP. > > HOWEVER, you can also still sign up for the free account without all the > crap. But they make it hard to find. So here's the scoop: > > Go through all the steps to sign up. You'll ultimately get to a "activate > your Hotmail account" page that makes it look like you have to click on > the "continue to billing information" to continue. > > Don't click on the obvious link: scroll to the bottom of the page where > it says "about MSN Hotmail Accounts." Under the 2nd bullet point (the one > that starts "MSN Hotmail offers 2 MB of storage...") there's a link to > "Click here" to sign up for a 2 MB account. > > That's the link you click to get the freebee. > > Now, my personal opinion is that this really stinks and is going to push > people away from Hotmail as a free email account and that not many are > going to pay the same amount you would pay an ISP for just plan ole email. > > > But there's the skinny. I'll rework our How to get Email on the WWW > handout to highlight another provider - probably Yahoo!. > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > -t > > ___________________ > Tracey Reed > Webmaster, Clearwater Public Library System > treed@clearwater-fl.com > From Brad-Short at library.wustl.edu Thu Feb 28 08:59:03 2002 From: Brad-Short at library.wustl.edu (Brad Short) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: capturing streams In-Reply-To: <6A650857-2BE4-11D6-9A38-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> Message-ID: Friends, I have heard that there is a program that is able to capture streaming audio/video even when the server is set to not allow a capture. 1) Does anyone know what this program is called? 2) Does anyone know where I can find out more about it? 2) Does it capture the buffered file in some manner? 3) Does it is redigitize the analog output? Thanks, Brad Short, Music Librarian Brad-Short@Library.WuStL.Edu Gaylord Music Library http://library.wustl.edu/units/music Washington University (314) 935-5529 voice Campus Box 1061 (314) 935-4263 fax St. Louis, MO 63130 From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Feb 28 09:29:54 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] capturing streams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Streambox had products that could do this kind of thing with RealNetworks streaming format. RealNetworks brought a lawsuit against them under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It was eventually settled: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-245482.html?legacy=cnet Streambox agreed to stop distributing Streambox Ripper and to modify Streambox VCR. The questionable versions of these products are still available on the net if you look around. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Brad Short wrote: > Friends, > I have heard that there is a program that is able to capture streaming > audio/video even when the server is set to not allow a capture. > > 1) Does anyone know what this program is called? > 2) Does anyone know where I can find out more about it? > 2) Does it capture the buffered file in some manner? > 3) Does it is redigitize the analog output? > > Thanks, > > Brad Short, Music Librarian Brad-Short@Library.WuStL.Edu > Gaylord Music Library http://library.wustl.edu/units/music > Washington University (314) 935-5529 voice > Campus Box 1061 (314) 935-4263 fax > St. Louis, MO 63130 > > From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Feb 28 09:46:47 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: This week In ResearchBuzz #171 -- February 28, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228094620.01d847d0@pop.mindspring.com> This week In ResearchBuzz #171 -- February 28, 2002 Good morning, Following are the headlines from this week's ResearchBuzz, issue #171 -- http://www.researchbuzz.com . The links beneath each headline lead directly to the article. * Directory of Cooperative Advertising Programs Online http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#directoryof * Directory of Scholarly and Professional E-Conferences http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#directoryscholarly * Reader Response -- Time Capsules http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#readerresponse * British Library Digitizing Chaucer http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#britishlibrary * Reader Request -- Automatic Site Mapper http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#readerrequest * Galaga, Centipede, Ms. Pac-Man, Stargate, etc. etc. http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#galaga * AltaVista Makes Some Changes http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#altavistamakes * Lycos Starts URL Submission Program http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#lycosstarts * Version 41 of the Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#version41 * Linus Pauling Notebooks to Be Released Online Next Week http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#linuspauling * Ask Jeeves Has Paid Inclusion in Beta http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#askjeeves * Tracking Yahoo's Most Popular News http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/feb21feb2702.html#trackingyahoos From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Feb 28 09:46:04 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020227093227.006d2490@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.a u> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228090445.02263b00@ohiolink.edu> At 05:20 PM 2/27/2002, Vicki Falkland wrote: > > > >[Second things second: Who invented ... > >elements? Proprietary/made-up stuff like that gets more and more likely to > >screw things up as browsers start expecting you to abide by your doctype > >declaration.] > > > >I am in the process of implementing a search feature on our site using >Atomz (www.atomz.com) >While testing, I noticed that if I searched on a word which happened to be >used in various bits of navigation text, the search results listed every >page in the site and the descriptive text was simply a rehash of the >navigation text. >Their help files suggest using for any portions of text >I may wish to exclude from being indexed (like navigation!) to correct this >problem. HTML is not just an arbitrary bunch of tags, to which vendors can add their own creations willy-nilly. It is a standard derived by a consensus of the W3C membership. Anyone writing software that does something with HTML can look at the standard; they won't look at the Atomz help documents. By adding a bogus NOINDEX element, you break any program that looks for valid markup. That includes, obviously, validators, which will never pass your pages--so you may not be able to use them to see what else is wrong with them. It also increases the risk that newer browsers, some of which take your doctype declaration seriously, will choke to some extent on seeing this unknown element. Will that cause problems with HTML and/or CSS rendering? Answer: you can't know for sure, so stick to the spec. And the most likely problem: an HTML editor, upon opening your page, may discard the bogus elements it finds, perhaps without warning you, so that when you save it again there will be changes you're not aware of. It's a pity the Atomz didn't take the obvious step of delimiting non-indexed parts of the document with comments. It seems obvious to me that you could look for "..." without affecting the validity of the document. If they have responsive developers, you might suggest something like that. If you were running a search engine on your own server that looked at the source HTML files rather than getting them through your server, you could use server-side includes for the navigation bars. Then they wouldn't even be in the files that get indexed. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Thu Feb 28 10:07:19 2002 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: Fwd: CERT Advisory CA-2002-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in PHP fileupload Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228090424.00acd000@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> I am forwarding this because I know that PHP is becoming quite widely used in library environments. If any of you are involved with servers running PHP I strongly urge you to apply the patch and subscribe to this newsletter if you are not already. Apologies for cross-posting, and also if this is considered too far off topic. >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) >From: CERT Advisory >To: cert-advisory@cert.org >Organization: CERT(R) Coordination Center - +1 412-268-7090 >List-Help: , >List-Subscribe: >List-Unsubscribe: >List-Post: NO (posting not allowed on this list) >List-Owner: >List-Archive: >Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in PHP fileupload > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >CERT Advisory CA-2002-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in PHP fileupload > > Original release date: February 27, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > >Systems Affected > > * Web servers running PHP > >Overview > > Multiple vulnerabilities exist in the PHP scripting language. These > vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary > code with the privileges of the PHP process. > >I. Description > > PHP is a scripting language widely used in web development. PHP can be > installed on a variety of web servers, including Apache, IIS, Caudium, > Netscape and iPlanet, OmniHTTPd and others. Vulnerabilities in the > php_mime_split function may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary > code with the privileges of the web server. For additional details, > see > > http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html > > Web servers that do not have PHP installed are not affected by this > vulnerability. > > The CERT/CC is tracking this set of vulnerabilities as VU#297363. At > this time, these vulnerabilities have not been assigned a CVE > identifier. > >II. Impact > > Intruders can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web > server, or interrupt normal operations of the web server. > >III. Solution > >Apply a Patch > > Upgrade to PHP version 4.1.2, available from > > http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=php-4.1.2.tar.gz > > If upgrading is not possible, apply patches as described at > http://www.php.net/downloads.php: > * For PHP 4.10/4.11 > http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=rfc1867.c.diff-4.1.x.gz > * For PHP 4.06 > http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=rfc1867.c.diff-4.0.6.gz > * For PHP 3.0 > http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=mime.c.diff-3.0.gz > > If you are using version 4.20-dev, you are not affected by this > vulnerability. Quoting from > http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.htm: > > "[U]sers running PHP 4.2.0-dev from cvs are not vulnerable to any > of the described bugs because the fileupload code was completly > rewritten for the 4.2.0 branch." > >Disable fileuploads > > If upgrading is not possible or a patch cannot be applied, you can > avoid these vulnerabilities by disabling fileupload support. Edit the > PHP configuration file php.ini as follows: > > file_uploads = off > > Note that this setting only applies to version 4.0.3 and above. > However, this will prevent you from using fileuploads, which may not > be acceptable in your environment. > >Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > >Apache Software Foundation > > Information about this vulnerability is available from > http://www.php.net > >FreeBSD > > FreeBSD does not include any version of PHP by default, and so is not > vulnerable. However, the FreeBSD Ports Collection does contain both > PHP3 and PHP4 packages. Updates to the PHP packages are in progress > and corrected packages will be available in the near future. > >MandrakeSoft > > MandrakeSoft distributes PHP in all distributions and we are currently > working on patching our versions of PHP for Linux-Mandrake 7.1 and > 7.2; Mandrake Linux 8.0, 8.0/ppc, 8.1, and 8.1/ia64; Single Network > Firewall 7.2; Corporate Server 1.0.1. > > We anticipate having the updates out by the end of the week. > >Microsoft > > We do not use PHP in any products. > >NCSA > > NCSA does not include PHP as an add-in or bundled component in any > products distributed. > >Red Hat > > Red Hat was notified of this issue on 27th February 2002. All > supported versions of Red Hat Linux ship with PHP packages that are > affected by these vulnerabilities. We will shortly be releasing errata > packages which contain patched versions that are not vulnerable. The > errata packages and our advisory will be available on our web site at > the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat Network will be > able to update their systems to patched versions using the up2date > tool. > > http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2002-035.html > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT Coordination Center thanks Stefan Esser, upon whose advisory > this document is largely based. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Author: Shawn V. Hernan > _________________________________________________________________ > >Appendix B. - References > > 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/297363 > 2. http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html > 3. http://www.iss.net/security_center/static/8281.php > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-05.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > >CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History >February 27, 2002: Initial release > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQCVAwUBPH1T3KCVPMXQI2HJAQGMbwP+NglOFSnTqmCynobjzrF8Onalm5cHNePn >+fTVP3JVrw5ktpyxtjnqveoMzaai0utVMlIDh4K34MOyipSD37W0ZLRezs0okyN0 >bQt1UTW+pfBQX8CsZ1anCncEmF0/+fBcl3iNtp7jAT99PJveRCsH8GJVpHx/4nT1 >pHvl8ng0VWs= >=+NsK >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________ Robin Boulton rboulton@linc.lib.il.us Automation Coordinator (630) 584 0076 x 258 St. Charles Public Library District Cell: (630) 918 8738 St. Charles, IL 60174 FAX: (630) 584 3448 http://www.st-charles.lib.il.us ___________________________________________________ ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bbusch at dticam.dtic.mil Thu Feb 28 12:09:04 2002 From: bbusch at dticam.dtic.mil (bbusch@dticam.dtic.mil) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: San Diego Chapter SLA-Spring Seminar Digital Libraries - March 22 Message-ID: <41DD505B71FCD411A55C08002BE29E880FF876@mtrs16.dtic.mil> Special Libraries Association, San Diego Chapter Spring Seminar 2002 Digital Libraries: Lighthouses for Today, Tomorrow, and the Future Date:Friday, March 22, 2002 Time:8:30 AM to 4:00 PM Location: Radisson Hotel La Jolla 3299 Holiday Court La Jolla (San Diego), CA 92037 Speakers: Christine Borgman, Ph.D., Professor & Presidential Chair in Information Studies, Department of Information Studies, University of California, Los Angeles; author of "From Gutenberg to the Global Information Infrastructure: Access to Information in the Networked World." 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Registration NAME(S):_____________________________________________________________ SLA/MBR________[$50] NON/MBR_________[$65] AFFILIATION:__________________________________________________________ PHONE:___________________________ EMAIL:___________________________ Please make check payable to: SLA, San Diego Chapter. Please print and mail to Kathy Cook, Technical Library, Cubic Defense Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 85587, San Diego CA 92186-5587 Registration forms are due by March 15, 2002. From Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org Thu Feb 28 15:56:21 2002 From: Cleveland at mail.winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS Message-ID: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F481D@MAIL> Thomas Dowling [mailto:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] wrote: > It's a pity the Atomz didn't take the obvious step of delimiting > non-indexed parts of the document with comments. It seems obvious to me > that you could look for "..." without affecting the validity of the document. If they have > responsive developers, you might suggest something like that. Well, I contacted Atomz like you suggested, and here's what they had to say: "The Atomz Search robot ignores text found between the opening and closing comment tags as shown below: The text found, however, between two comments, will not be ignored - meaning it will be indexed: This is a comment "This is a comment" gets indexed. The text inside the tags does not. I'm afraid we do not presently offer the capability you describe. I will be sure to pass the request along to our product development team for consideration." > If you were running a search engine on your own server that looked at the > source HTML files rather than getting them through your server, you could > use server-side includes for the navigation bars. Then they wouldn't even > be in the files that get indexed. So, in light of this, do you have any suggestions for search engines that are either cheap or free? I think Atomz results are pretty accurate, but I don't want to "invalidate" my pages just to have the search engine work. You brought up some great points in regards to that. Any ideas would be great! -Jody Cleveland Winnefox Library System Computer Support Specialist From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Feb 28 16:25:57 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS In-Reply-To: <84CFA712F666B44A94CE6BE116BAF4B03F481D@MAIL> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228161927.022c9468@ohiolink.edu> > > > If you were running a search engine on your own server that looked at the > > source HTML files rather than getting them through your server, you could > > use server-side includes for the navigation bars. Then they wouldn't even > > > be in the files that get indexed. > >So, in light of this, do you have any suggestions for search engines that >are either cheap or free? I think Atomz results are pretty accurate, but I >don't want to "invalidate" my pages just to have the search engine work. >You brought up some great points in regards to that. Any ideas would be >great! We use SWISH-E: . (Aside to Roy: finally threw those rascals off of sunsite, eh?). I found it very easy to set up and run an index. I wrote a short CGI shell for searching, but it may come with its own CGI interface by now (we're a release behind). Aside from indexing our site, I use it to index Libweb, and it handles an index of 6300 pages quite easily. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Feb 28 16:50:49 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228161927.022c9468@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3A6F64E8-2C95-11D6-9B9D-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> I appreciate Thomas' recommendation for SWISH-E and wanted to throw in some more information. If you haven't looked at SWISH-E recently (and I mean specifically the 2.x version in development), you don't know it. Bill Moseley and a handful of others have transformed it, and it is now a fast (really fast), powerful, and flexible indexing engine. It not only provides the search capability for the Web4Lib archive (newly revised to include some spiffy new search options), but for sites such as the Apache project (see http://search.apache.org/). Besides being the search engine under Libweb, it also underlies the Librarians' Index to the Internet (http://lii.org/) and KidsClick! (http://www.kidsclick.org/). [Aside to Thomas: nope, haven't yet tossed the rascals off SunSITE, we're just making it look like we did; swish- e.org, lii.org, kidsclick.org are all SunSITE] Like I said, don't judge it based on previous versions. Oh, and the price is _still_ right. Roy On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 01:28 PM, Thomas Dowling wrote: > >> >>> If you were running a search engine on your own server that looked at >>> the >>> source HTML files rather than getting them through your server, you >>> could >>> use server-side includes for the navigation bars. Then they wouldn't >>> even >> >>> be in the files that get indexed. >> >> So, in light of this, do you have any suggestions for search engines >> that >> are either cheap or free? I think Atomz results are pretty accurate, >> but I >> don't want to "invalidate" my pages just to have the search engine >> work. >> You brought up some great points in regards to that. Any ideas would >> be >> great! > > > We use SWISH-E: . (Aside to Roy: finally threw > those rascals off of sunsite, eh?). I found it very easy to set up and > run > an index. I wrote a short CGI shell for searching, but it may come with > its own CGI interface by now (we're a release behind). Aside from > indexing > our site, I use it to index Libweb, and it handles an index of 6300 > pages > quite easily. > > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > > From htkeays at library.syr.edu Thu Feb 28 15:53:48 2002 From: htkeays at library.syr.edu (Thomas Keays) Date: Wed May 18 14:38:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: another tangent to Re: Inline forms in CSS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228090445.02263b00@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3C7E609B.8052.6A4645@localhost> On 28 Feb 2002, Thomas Dowling wrote: > By adding a bogus NOINDEX element, you break any program that looks for > valid markup. That includes, obviously, validators, which will never pass > your pages--so you may not be able to use them to see what else is wrong > with them. With xhtml and ultimately xml, the stage is being set for tags of this sort of tag actually being useful. Not that current web indexing programs are going to understand it, but with a properly defined DTD, next-generation indexes might. Also, given a DTD, it should be possible to write pages that will validate just fine. Not that I necessarily think it's a good idea, mind you. Xhtml as it currently stands, coexists with proprietary tags just fine, although xhtml itself does nothing to cause them to be implemented in all browsers. An example in an xhtml book that I saw recently showed a page using