[WEB4LIB] RE: Blocking email, the complaint

[Thomas M G Bennett]

Looks like orbs is now or is also orbz.  Its been probably over a year since
I've received (been attacked by ORBS!) any error messages similar to the
ones I got this morning from my mail server.  And this is why I got error
messages of mail that could not be forwarded/relayed:

20010718091533-0400:SMTP-Accept:Connect:[205.231.149.25]
20010718091539-0400:SMTP-Accept:RelayDenied:[205.231.149.25]:<bounce at orbz.or
g>:1
---cut---
20010718091546-0400:SMTP-Accept:Received:[205.231.149.25]:20010718131533039.
AAE372 at orbz.org:711:1:<bounce at localhost>:<"relay%orbz.org">
20010718091546-0400:SMTP-Accept:WARNING:Got bad address
<relay at orbz.org@localhost>, rewrote as <"relay at orbz.org"@localhost>
---cut---
20010718091547-0400:Error-Handler:20010718131533039.AAE372 at orbz.org-Unknown
20010718091547-0400:Error-Handler:20010718131533039.AAE372 at orbz.org-Unknown
	Function: Error-Handler
	Control-Type: Mail
	Priority: 2
	Submitted-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:15:45 -0400
	MIME-Encoding: 7BIT
	Host-From: a.ns.orbz.org [205.231.149.25]
	User-From: SMTP<bounce at library.appstate.edu>
	Message-Size: 711
	MTA-Hops: 0
	Channel-To: SMTP <"relay%orbz.org">
	Error: SMTP-Router:UnknownAccounts (WriteUnknownAcct)
	Error-Text: SMTP <"relay%orbz.org">
	Trace: SMTP-Accept
	Trace: SMTP-Router


Interesting it happened while discussions were on going about them.

Thomas


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-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib at webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib at webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Dan Lester
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:25 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Blocking email, the complaint


Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 2:27:20 PM, you wrote:
c> Just a bit of trivia on this thread...
c> I did a little digging around on Dow Jones Interactive to see what I
could
c> find on either ORBS or CompuSystem, Inc.  What I found makes me think Dan
c> Lester's list is nothing like what ORBS was trying to do.  There isn't a
c> whole lot of information but basically ORBS was an anti-spam site that
c> apparently went a little overboard in its zeal and that is where they got
c> in trouble.

I agree that there is no similarity between my blacklist (I say "mine"
only because I started it and host it.  Many others have contributed.)
and ORBS. They don't perform the same function at all.  The only
similarity is the basic principle that some organizations that own
equipment choose to put limits on how that equipment may be used.
Others don't.

There is no way that the blacklist was causing any harm to the freaky
guy at csimo.com.  It turns out that his mail is provided by
fidnet.com, which I've now blocked, as well as the IP number for
mail.csimo.com.

c> I found very little information on CompuSystem, Inc.  It is apparently a
c> computer store based in Washington, MO, small town about 30 or 40 miles
c> from St. Louis.  The 1998 article I found said, at that time, CompuSystem
was a
c> 2,000 square foot store with 10 employees (but it didn't indicate if they
c> were full or part time).  I looked at the CompuSystem website and found
it
c> interesting that, if you want to contact them via e-mail, the address is
c> yahoo at csimo.com.  Makes me wonder about the professionalism of the
company.
c> But then the little information I found made me wonder about Joe Wolf
c> too...

Their counter on the homepage gives the impression that they've had
over 5 million visitors.  Not that I believe that, either.

There is no question that any of their email customers who wanted to
check their email on the web in some library were harmed, or the
csimo.com business was harmed.

The list has been updated again, and will be on the web in the next
hour.

dan


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