WEB4LIB digest 834
J MacAskill
jlee at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 19 18:09:26 EDT 1997
please take me off of your mailing list
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> From: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: WEB4LIB digest 834
> Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 3:59 PM
>
> WEB4LIB Digest 834
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Copyright & what I learned from my mother
> by "Karen G. Schneider" <kgs at bluehighways.com>
> 2) Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> by EGERIA - Gerenciamento da Informacao <egeria at prolink.com.br>
> 3) Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> by sunner at vicnet.net.au
> 4) Re: Staff directories
> by Kathy Irwin <irwinkat at metronet.lib.mi.us>
> 5) Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> by Roy Tennant <rtennant at library.berkeley.edu>
> 6) RE: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> by "Sloan, Bernie" <bernies at uillinois.edu>
> 7) Printing specific pages
> by "Paul H. Gray" <phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us>
> 8) geopac again
> by Ursula Domin <n2074524 at student.fit.qut.edu.au>
> 9) RE: Printing specific pages
> by Julie James <julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us>
> 10) Re: Printing specific pages
> by Robert Rasmussen <ras at nimbus.anzio.com>
> 11) Re: Printing specific pages
> by Anny Khoubesserian <arevod at mail.med.cornell.edu>
> 12) Re: Printing specific pages
> by Walter Minkel <walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
> 13) Re: Printing specific pages
> by Wilfred Drew <drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU>
> 14) Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> by Nick Arnett <narnett at verity.com>
> 15) Re[2]: Help on redirect url parameter
> by matylonj at ccmail.orst.edu (John C. Matylonek)
> 16) RE: Printing specific pages
> by "Vladislav S. Davidzon" <davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us>
> 17) OCLC Institute Seminar Announcement
> by "Jul,Erik" <jul at oclc.org>
> 18) Nominations sought for ALA Award
> by Eleclibrn at aol.com
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 1
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:11:32 -0400
> From: "Karen G. Schneider" <kgs at bluehighways.com>
> To: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Copyright & what I learned from my mother
> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971019201132.01642c08 at panix.com>
>
> I've done this message before in slightly different form, but what the
heck.
>
> In many circles, "mother" is a synonym for "guru," so we're all on the
same
> track here. And what my mother taught me early in life was:
>
> Please and thank you are the magic words
>
> When I was writing my first book--work that I did in lieu of other paying
> work, by the way--I asked for permission many times over, and always
> received it. I don't always have that kind of success rate, nor would I
be
> so foolish to assume this means I could avoid asking altogether.
However,
> I have had such fabulous success that I don't begrudge the few times I
have
> been turned down.
>
> The "magic" seems to be in the asking, primarily, I think, because it is
> courteous behavior. Copyright law is about more than ownership; it's
also
> about two other things important to the worker-bees of the world (which
> includes all of us reading this list, unless you won the lottery): 1)
> acknowledging that we're entitled to be paid for our work, and 2)
> acknowledging that we inhabit a world where manners still count for
something.
>
> This topic comes up in our Internet training classes, and recently
someone
> in the class kept pressing how easy it is to forward material, as if that
> made it acceptable. I finally pointed out that just because you can
stuff
> your pockets full of goods from the grocery store, doesn't make it legal.
> People who wouldn't consider lifting a tube of lipstick from the five &
> dime often can't make the leap to why that digital resource has the same
> protection. It's up to us to teach this (and I see no reason why we can't
> simultaneously point out how some companies exploit copyright law to
their
> own advantage).
>
> As for Roy's role, as half of a moderator of a list hosted on Roy's
machine
> (friend Sara Weissman being the other half), I know exactly where he's
> coming from, and I appreciate his example-setting. On an unmoderated
list
> such as Web4Lib, all Roy can do after the fact is comment on a violation;
> on a moderated list such as PubLib, Sara and I are forced into an
> on-the-spot decision about whether a post is legitimate. The burden of
> accountability should be with the poster, not the list moderator; we
should
> not have to ask, "do you have permission to post this to the list?"
> Requiring the poster to announce permission both educates and warns--and
in
> most cases, people know what they're doing. I'm past the point where I
> believe the issue is mere naivete, because in one weekend I saw
copyrighted
> material posted verbatim to two non-moderated lists but (simultaneously)
> posted as a summary to a moderated list. A little ignorance I can
> understand (though not if the offender has terms such as "electronic,"
> "Internet," "Web," "digital" or the suffix "-master" in his or her job
> title); library school curriculum appears to be weak in this area. I
don't
> extend the the same tolerance to wholesale, persistent and informed
> flouting of one's colleagues.
>
> Feel free to have the last word on this topic; I'm now done with it.
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Karen G. Schneider | kgs at bluehighways.com
> Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI
> Councilor-at-Large, American Library Association
> The Internet Filter Assessment Project:
> http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/
> Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters
> (Neal Schuman, 1997)
> Information is hard work -------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 2
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:26:15 -0200
> From: EGERIA - Gerenciamento da Informacao <egeria at prolink.com.br>
> To: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971019232615.006f0600 at prolink.com.br>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here I am again. This time I have a conceptual question. As an
information
> scientist working with new technologies and Internet I've been invited to
> make papers and to give courses on subjects like Virtual Libraries and
> Digital Libraries. I've been talking to some people in Brazil (I'm
> Brazilian) and I believe that a lot of peope consider both terms as
> sinonyms. That's not my opinion and I would like to know yours.
>
> I've made a search on Internet on "Virtual Library (ies)"and then on
> "Digital Library (ies). I did not find those concepts, but I observed
that
> although we can find some confusion, in general these terms point to
> different things. So here you are my opinion and I would like to know who
> agree or desagree. And if you have some formal description I would be
> gratefull (if they are from reliable source, of course. I do not want
crazy
> definitions as the following I've read on Internet made by a Portuguese
> Librarian that said: Virtual Library is concerned with the the
> implementation of virtual reality facilities to Libraries (sic).
>
> Let's see some of my thoughts on the subject:
>
> a) DIGITAL LIBRARY - It's the same thing as Electronic Library. The name
> DIGITAL means that the collection is on a binary format and stored on an
> electronic device. So it is a Library whose material (books, journals,
> reports, thesis, and so on) is stored on electronic format (on CD ROM or
> winchester). They can be read and printed through a computer. It doesn't
> mind if those publications can be accessed by a standalone computer, a
> local network, or the Internet. As described above a Digital Library have
a
> staff, and services. One can borrow material, request copies and so on.
As
> it is on any paper based Library. The only change is the storage media.
A
> Digital Library .project may include a "Virtual Library".
> b) VIRTUAL LIBRARY - It's a collection of links. Those links do not
> reflect physical Library material. Instead it reflects subjects
categories
> of sites on Internet. The name virtual means "not real" . So we cannot
> borrow anything from a Virtual Library. I believe that the word Library
is
> in the concept VIRTUAL LIBRARY because it looks like a Library index. But
> it's a kind of "link management system", not a kind of Library. A good
> example is the WWW Virtual Library: A good exemple is WWW Virtual
Library:
> <http://vlib.stanford.edu/Overwiew.html> I believe they created that
name.
>
> As I have seen many organization and people (including some Government
> organizations, University professors, consultants and so on) using these
> concepts in a confused way I'd like to discuss it better. I believe that
> the same must occur in other countries, so it will be usefull to many of
> us. On information age we are coping with changes in a way we never did
> before. And time is not enough to consolidate new conceps. We do not
know
> yet what a new term means and many other are being created do describe
the
> same thing. If we do not stop to understand the meaning of things we are
> talking about we will soon be on "Babel". I'll post a mail to WWW Virtual
> Library asking them what do they mean with the title of their site "W3
> VIRTUAL LIBRARY".
>
> I'd love to receive comments and information on the subject. Thank you.
>
> Regina Cianconi
> =========== EGERIA - Gerenciamento da Informacao =============
> askSam banco de dados textual e hipertexto
> Distribuicao e Consultoria
> egeria at prolink.com.br
> http://www.egeria.com.br
> http://www.egeria.com.br/webmall
> ======================================================
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 3
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:31:53 +1000
> From: sunner at vicnet.net.au
> To: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> Message-ID: <199710200631.QAA19686 at diamond.vicnet.net.au>
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Here I am again. This time I have a conceptual question. As an
information
> >scientist working with new technologies and Internet I've been invited
to
> >make papers and to give courses on subjects like Virtual Libraries and
> >Digital Libraries. I've been talking to some people in Brazil (I'm
> >Brazilian) and I believe that a lot of peope consider both terms as
> >sinonyms. That's not my opinion and I would like to know yours.
> <snip>
>
> I was interested in this myself as the terms seem to be interchangable.
I
> found the definition used by the American Association of Research
Libraries
> (available at http://sunsite.berkley.edu/ARL/definition.html) quite
useful.
> Their definition acknowledges that "electronic" "digital" and "virtual"
> libraries are often used synonymously and identify aspects that are
common
> to all.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Kati
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Kati Sunner
> Alternate email: katis at edunions.labor.net.au
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 4
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:49:30 -0400
> From: Kathy Irwin <irwinkat at metronet.lib.mi.us>
> To: cjackson at monroe.lib.in.us
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Staff directories
> Message-ID: <344B535A.4ECB50E2 at metronet.lib.mi.us>
>
> Christopher Jackson wrote:
>
> > [Cross posted to web4lib and publib.]
> >
> > I'm looking for feedback/opinions on the issue of staff directories on
a
> > public library website. We intend to create one, probably giving the
job
> > title, department, and email address of all staff members.
> >
> > How many of you in public libraries have something similar? Were staff
> > concerned about their privacy? What sort of information do you
provide?
> > If you have such a directory, we'd love to take a look.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> > Christopher Jackson cjackson at monroe.lib.in.us
> > Reference Librarian voice: (812) 876-1272
> > Monroe County Public Library fax: (812) 876-2515
> > Ellettsville, IN 47429
http://www.monroe.lib.in.us/
>
> We're a large staff, so only the heads of divisions are listed on our
staff
> contact page:
> http://metronet.lib.mi.us/SFLD/staff.html
> However, on our intranet, a photo directory of the whole staff is
provided
> with descriptions of job responsibilities, phone numbers, and e-mail.
This
> helps with new staff or subs in knowing who everyone is and who to
contact
> regarding what.
> --
> Kathy M. Irwin, Technology Intern
> Southfield Public Library
> irwinkat at metronet.lib.mi.us
> (248)948-0408
> http://metronet.lib.mi.us/SFLD/south1.html
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 5
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Roy Tennant <rtennant at library.berkeley.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> Message-ID:
<Pine.OSF.3.90.971020071619.23672C-100000 at library.berkeley.edu>
>
> The original question was so perfect for an entirely different discussion
> list that I can only assume the asker was not aware of its existence.
> Therefore, those interested in digital libraries are invited to join the
> digital libraries and librarians discussion, DigLibns. It is a "sister"
> discussion to Web4Lib, and information about it (including how to
> subscribe, etc.) can be found at:
>
> http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/DigLibns/
>
> Thanks,
> Roy Tennant
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 sunner at vicnet.net.au wrote:
>
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Here I am again. This time I have a conceptual question. As an
information
> > >scientist working with new technologies and Internet I've been invited
to
> > >make papers and to give courses on subjects like Virtual Libraries and
> > >Digital Libraries. I've been talking to some people in Brazil (I'm
> > >Brazilian) and I believe that a lot of peope consider both terms as
> > >sinonyms. That's not my opinion and I would like to know yours.
> > <snip>
> >
> > I was interested in this myself as the terms seem to be interchangable.
I
> > found the definition used by the American Association of Research
Libraries
> > (available at http://sunsite.berkley.edu/ARL/definition.html) quite
useful.
> > Their definition acknowledges that "electronic" "digital" and "virtual"
> > libraries are often used synonymously and identify aspects that are
common
> > to all.
> >
> > Hope this is helpful.
> >
> > Kati
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Kati Sunner
> > Alternate email: katis at edunions.labor.net.au
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 6
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:15:55 -0500
> From: "Sloan, Bernie" <bernies at uillinois.edu>
> To: 'Multiple recipients of list' <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>,
> Cc: "Sloan, Bernie" <bernies at uillinois.edu>
> Subject: RE: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> Message-ID:
<c=US%a=_%p=University_of_Il%l=OSCAR-971020141555Z-2883 at rumpole.aiss.uillino
is.edu>
>
>
> Regina,
>
> Last Spring I did an independent study on digital libraries
> for the doctoral program at the University of Illinois
> GSLIS. One part of my study involved defining the
> digital library. One of the things I found was that, at
> least at present, it's probably as important to define
> what the digital library is NOT, as it is to define what
> the digital library IS.
>
> I would second Kati Sunner's suggestion to check the
> ARL web site for their definition of "digital library". (By the
> way, there's a typo in the URL given in Kati's note. That
> should be "berkeley" rather than "berkley").
>
> I'd also recommend going beyond that. The ARL site notes
> that "There are many definitions of a 'digital library'". The
> site also recommends Karen Drabenstotts's "Analytical
> Review of the Library of the Future" (published in 1994 by
> the Council on Library Resources). Drabenstott found 14
> separate definitions, published between 1987 and 1993.
> The items listed in the ARL web site are those items that
> Drabenstott found to be common to all or most of the
> definitions.
>
> William Saffady (Library Technology Reports, Vol.31, No.3,
> May-June 1995) found nearly 30 different definitions for
> the digital library. Saffady notes "Broadly defined, a digital
> library is a collection of computer-processible information,
> or a repository for such information." Later in this same
> document he notes that a digital library is "a library that
> maintains all, or a substantial part, of its collection in
> computer-processible form as an alternative, supplement,
> or complement to the conventional printed and microform
> materials that currently dominate library collections."
>
> Gary Shimek and Mary Rieder have a paper on the Web
> that provides another dozen or so definitions. Go to:
>
> http://www.msoe.edu/library/virtlib.html
>
> If you're interested in a few more references, let me know.
>
> Bernie Sloan
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Bernie Sloan
> Senior Library Information Systems Consultant
> University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting
> 338 Henry Administration Building
> 506 S. Wright Street
> Urbana, IL 61801
> Phone: 217-333-4895
> Fax: 217-333-6355
> e-mail: bernies at uillinois.edu
>
>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 7
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:41:33
> From: "Paul H. Gray" <phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us>
> To: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971020094133.2ba72996 at mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us>
>
> We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a brief
> selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
>
> Unfortunately - if the document is standard html (as opposed to a pdf
file)
> there is no convenient way (that I know of) to print just this portion.
> Yes - the print dialogue allows you to print from page x to page y --
but
> there is no way to know which 'page' you desired info is on.
> The only option I have been able to suggest so far is to go to 'Print
> Preview' and page through until you reach your information. Not very
> workable if what they want is on page 40 out of 75.
>
> As a result patrons are printing piles and piles of material they don't
> need - or really want - to print. Very costly for us since we currently
do
> not charge.
>
> Is there something I am missing?? Any ideas as to how others are dealing
> with this would be very welcome. Feel free to respond ditectly to me if
> you prefer.
>
> Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623
>
> TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275
> 828 Harwood Road E-Mail:
> phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> Hurst, Texas 76054
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 8
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:48:51 +1000 (EST)
> From: Ursula Domin <n2074524 at student.fit.qut.edu.au>
> To: web4lib at library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: geopac again
> Message-ID:
<Pine.SOL.3.94.971021004330.8912A-100000 at droid.fit.qut.edu.au>
>
> Dear Fellow Web4libbers,
>
> I posteed this question a little while ago, but got no reply, so I
thought
> I would give it another shot.
> I would like any opinions/feedback on GEOPAC, how user friendly, any
bugs,
> etc... I would really appreciate any information, as it is to help a
> friend and I would really like to have something to offer her.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ursula Domin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 9
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:08:35 -0500
> From: Julie James <julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: RE: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <01BCDD40.217A9B60 at JULIE.kcpl.lib.mo.us>
>
> In IE4 you can highlight a range of text, go to File/Print and under
> "Print Range" click on "Selection" and OK.
>
> Julie
> -=-
> Julie James Kansas City Public Library
> Internet Librarian 311 E. 12th Street
> http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us Kansas City, MO 64106
> julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us 816/221-2685 x12
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul H. Gray [SMTP:phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:07 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Printing specific pages
>
> We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a brief
> selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
>
> Unfortunately - if the document is standard html (as opposed to a pdf
file)
> there is no convenient way (that I know of) to print just this portion.
> Yes - the print dialogue allows you to print from page x to page y --
but
> there is no way to know which 'page' you desired info is on.
> The only option I have been able to suggest so far is to go to 'Print
> Preview' and page through until you reach your information. Not very
> workable if what they want is on page 40 out of 75.
>
> As a result patrons are printing piles and piles of material they don't
> need - or really want - to print. Very costly for us since we currently
do
> not charge.
>
> Is there something I am missing?? Any ideas as to how others are dealing
> with this would be very welcome. Feel free to respond ditectly to me if
> you prefer.
>
> Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623
>
> TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275
> 828 Harwood Road E-Mail:
> phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> Hurst, Texas 76054
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 10
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Rasmussen <ras at nimbus.anzio.com>
> To: "Paul H. Gray" <phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93ras.971020090323.2625A-100000 at nimbus.anzio.com>
>
> The problem is that HTML does not include the concept of a physical page
> (what's referred to as a "home page" for instance is really an arbitrary
> amount of data). I might argue that this is a shortcoming in the design
scope
> of HTML, but others would argue otherwise, I'm sure.
>
> You COULD save the page to a local file, edit it, and then print it with
a
> browser; this would of course be tedious. You might instead import it
into
> MS-WORD or some such, then print specific pages.
>
> But probably your easiest approach is to highlight and print, as
suggested in
> another response.
>
> Regards,
> ...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.
>
> personal e-mail: ras at anzio.com
> company e-mail: rsi at anzio.com or sales at anzio.com or support at anzio.com
> ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360
> http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 11
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:24:44 -0500
> From: Anny Khoubesserian <arevod at mail.med.cornell.edu>
> To: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <v03100002b07135d0cff1@[140.251.2.106]>
>
> Try Net-Print
>
> http://www.luminet.net/~dmoe/
>
>
>
> At 8:11 AM -0700 10/20/97, Paul H. Gray wrote:
> >We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> >Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a
brief
> >selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
> >
> >Unfortunately - if the document is standard html (as opposed to a pdf
file)
> >there is no convenient way (that I know of) to print just this portion.
> >Yes - the print dialogue allows you to print from page x to page y --
but
> >there is no way to know which 'page' you desired info is on.
> >The only option I have been able to suggest so far is to go to 'Print
> >Preview' and page through until you reach your information. Not very
> >workable if what they want is on page 40 out of 75.
> >
> >As a result patrons are printing piles and piles of material they don't
> >need - or really want - to print. Very costly for us since we currently
do
> >not charge.
> >
> >Is there something I am missing?? Any ideas as to how others are dealing
> >with this would be very welcome. Feel free to respond ditectly to me if
> >you prefer.
> >
> >Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623
> >
> >TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275
> > 828 Harwood Road E-Mail:
> >phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> >Hurst, Texas 76054
>
>
> Anny Khoubesserian
> Information Services Coordinator
> Cornell University Medical College
> The Samuel J. Wood Library
> 1300 York Avenue
> New York, NY 10021
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 12
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Walter Minkel <walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
> To: Anny Khoubesserian <arevod at mail.med.cornell.edu>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.3.95q.971020100002.8969B-100000 at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
>
> Yeah, but Net-Print (according to the site) only works with Macs. Is
there
> anything like it for Windows? --W
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Anny Khoubesserian wrote:
>
> > Try Net-Print
> >
> > http://www.luminet.net/~dmoe/
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8:11 AM -0700 10/20/97, Paul H. Gray wrote:
> > >We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> > >Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a
brief
> > >selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
> > >
> > >Unfortunately - if the document is standard html (as opposed to a pdf
file)
> > >there is no convenient way (that I know of) to print just this
portion.
> > >Yes - the print dialogue allows you to print from page x to page y --
but
> > >there is no way to know which 'page' you desired info is on.
> > >The only option I have been able to suggest so far is to go to 'Print
> > >Preview' and page through until you reach your information. Not very
> > >workable if what they want is on page 40 out of 75.
> > >
> > >As a result patrons are printing piles and piles of material they
don't
> > >need - or really want - to print. Very costly for us since we
currently do
> > >not charge.
> > >
> > >Is there something I am missing?? Any ideas as to how others are
dealing
> > >with this would be very welcome. Feel free to respond ditectly to me
if
> > >you prefer.
> > >
> > >Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623
> > >
> > >TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275
> > > 828 Harwood Road E-Mail:
> > >phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> > >Hurst, Texas 76054
> >
> >
> > Anny Khoubesserian
> > Information Services Coordinator
> > Cornell University Medical College
> > The Samuel J. Wood Library
> > 1300 York Avenue
> > New York, NY 10021
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Walter Minkel, School Technology Trainer
> Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
> Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441;
walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
> ==============
> Vision is the art of seeing things invisible. --Jonathan Swift
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 13
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:03:27 -0400
> From: Wilfred Drew <drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU>
> To: arevod at mail.med.cornell.edu,
> Subject: Re: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <01bcdd7a$15556d80$0853cc88 at wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu>
>
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> Net print is only for MacIntoshes. Won't work for people "using real
> computers". <LARGE GRIN>.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anny Khoubesserian <arevod at mail.med.cornell.edu>
> >Try Net-Print
> >
> >http://www.luminet.net/~dmoe/
> >
> >
> >
> >At 8:11 AM -0700 10/20/97, Paul H. Gray wrote:
> >>We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> >>Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a
brief
> >>selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
> --
> Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference)
> SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902
> E-mail: DREWWE at MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe at wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu
> IRC(irc.dal.net port 7000):#academiclibrarians (sysop/ops)
> ICQ:UIN#268569
> Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115
> Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/
> Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/
> LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/
> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 14
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:31:26 -0700
> From: Nick Arnett <narnett at verity.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: Virtual Library vs Digital Library
> Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971020183126.014baa08 at verity.com>
>
> I think of "digital library" as a broader term than "virtual library."
The
> latter implies organization of pointers to resources located elsewhere.
> Thus the actual "collection" is virtual, as far as the library is
concerned.
> A digital library, in contrast, might also include resources... and I
tend
> to think of a digital library as one that only contains digitized
information.
>
> The unlocking of pointers (URLs, typically) from resources is a parallel
> event to the creation of title pages just after printing and paper became
> inexpensive. Title pages were invented so that publishers could create
> catalogs -- they used the book-binding infrastructure to bind collections
of
> title pages into catalogs, independent of the books. This was driven, of
> course, by the fact that books had become so inexpensive that they were
no
> longer chained in place.
>
> Today, we're using the infrastructure of directory trees and such to
> organize resources pointers to resources that have come "unchained" from
> floppy disks, CD-ROMs, etc.
>
> Nick
>
> Product Manager, Advanced Technology
> Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information
>
> Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600
> Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett at verity.com
> http://www.verity.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 15
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:22:23 -0700
> From: matylonj at ccmail.orst.edu (John C. Matylonek)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>,
> Subject: Re[2]: Help on redirect url parameter
> Message-ID: <0065C2F7.3116 at ccmail.orst.edu>
>
> The meta refresh at =
>
> http://www.orst.edu/instruct/engr485-585/ browser redirect =
>
> is now working. It was the qoutes that initially caused me =
>
> trouble. However, do you know anything about the .htaccess =
>
> file Redirect command. That would useful to know as well. It =
>
> seems when I use the construction:
> =
>
> Redirect /dept/instruct/engr485-585/ http://www.orst.edu/~matylonj
> =
>
> in a .htaccess file located in the engr485-585 directory
> =
>
> to have the server redirect a browser from the index.html in =
>
> the engr485-585 directory to the tilde directory, I get a =
>
> server error message about a misconfiguration. Any ideas? Am =
>
> using the .htaccess file correctly? It seems like srm.conf =
>
> is set to allow .htaccess files.
> =
>
> JCM
> =
>
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
__________________________=
> _______
> Subject: Re: Help on redirect url parameter
> Author: "Ant\snio Tavares Lopes" <atlopes at mail.telepac.pt> at
Internet_G=
> ateway
> Date: 10/15/97 02:23 PM
>
>
> wong at tesla.njit.edu wrote:
> > =
>
> > The question is the sytnax of time to redirect to other url? =
>
> > How can
> > I redirect to another url after x second instead of immediately?
> =
>
> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3DREFRESH CONTENT=3D"=ABtime=BB;
URL=3Dhttp://www.somewh=
> ere.org">
> =
>
> where =ABtime=BB is the time, in seconds, the browser will wait till it =
>
> starts to access the new url - if it is 0, then it will load the new doc
=
>
> immediately (please note the browser will start counting the time after =
>
> the current document is completely loaded) - being a META tag, it must =
>
> be placed in the <HEAD> section of your doc
> =
>
> hope it was what you were asking for
> =
>
> t=F3
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 16
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Vladislav S. Davidzon" <davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us>
> To: Julie James <julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: RE: Printing specific pages
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.971020144203.18917D-100000 at metronet.lib.mi.us>
>
> Well there is always the option of copy/pasting it into notepad or
> something similar and printing from there :> I believe Netscape does the
> same thing that Ms. James pointed out.
>
>
> VSD
>
> .........................................................................
> Vladislav S. Davidzon davidzon at tech-center.com
> Technology Assistant Farmington Community Library
> Phone: (248) 553-0300 Fax: (248) 553-3228
> 32737 W. 12 Mile Road Farmington Hills, MI 48334
>
> "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and its a privilege of wisdom
> to listen." - Oliver Wendell Homes
>
> All opinions are my opinions only, and not those of any organizations I
> am associated with, unless otherwise specified.
> .........................................................................
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Julie James wrote:
>
> > In IE4 you can highlight a range of text, go to File/Print and under
> > "Print Range" click on "Selection" and OK.
> >
> > Julie
> > -=-
> > Julie James Kansas City Public Library
> > Internet Librarian 311 E. 12th Street
> > http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us Kansas City, MO 64106
> > julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us 816/221-2685 x12
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul H. Gray [SMTP:phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us]
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:07 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Printing specific pages
> >
> > We are an academic library with 10 Internet access stations running
> > Netscape in our Reference area. Patrons often need to print only a
brief
> > selection from the middle of a lengthy Web document.
> >
> > Unfortunately - if the document is standard html (as opposed to a pdf
file)
> > there is no convenient way (that I know of) to print just this portion.
> > Yes - the print dialogue allows you to print from page x to page y --
but
> > there is no way to know which 'page' you desired info is on.
> > The only option I have been able to suggest so far is to go to 'Print
> > Preview' and page through until you reach your information. Not very
> > workable if what they want is on page 40 out of 75.
> >
> > As a result patrons are printing piles and piles of material they don't
> > need - or really want - to print. Very costly for us since we
currently do
> > not charge.
> >
> > Is there something I am missing?? Any ideas as to how others are
dealing
> > with this would be very welcome. Feel free to respond ditectly to me
if
> > you prefer.
> >
> > Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623
> >
> > TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275
> > 828 Harwood Road E-Mail:
> > phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us
> > Hurst, Texas 76054
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 17
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:56:29 -0400
> From: "Jul,Erik" <jul at oclc.org>
> To: "'intercat at oclc.org'" <intercat at oclc.org>,
> Subject: OCLC Institute Seminar Announcement
> Message-ID:
<E5353CDF1EBBD011A3B70000F8631241349D04 at oa4-server.dev.oclc.org>
>
> [Cross-posted to INTERCAT, AUTOCAT, WEB4LIB, EMEDIA, SERIALST,
> PACS-L. Redistribute as appropriate. --Erik]
>
> Dear Readers:
>
> The OCLC Institute is pleased to announce three additional
> sessions of the seminar, "Knowledge Access Management: Tools and
> Concepts for Next-Generation Catalogers," to be held on the OCLC campus,
> Dublin, Ohio, on the following dates:
>
> March 16-18 (Monday-Wednesday)
> February 6-8 (Friday-Sunday)
> February 16-18 (Monday-Wednesday)
>
> Earlier sessions of this seminar closed out quickly. To reserve
> a seat, register early. Registration closes January 5, 1998.
>
> For more information and to register online:
> http://www.oclc.org/institute/seminar2.htm
> Or contact me directly at jul at oclc.org, (614) 764-4364, (614)
> 718-7132 Fax.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> --Erik
>
> Erik Jul
> Associate Director
> OCLC Institute
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 18
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:02:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Eleclibrn at aol.com
> To: libadmin at list.ab.umd.edu, libpacs at uhupvm1.uh.edu,
> Subject: Nominations sought for ALA Award
> Message-ID: <971020145918_1345370184 at emout05.mail.aol.com>
>
> I'm on this year's award jury for ALA's Elizabeth Futas Catalyst for
Change
> Award. We are seeking nominations for the Award. Information about the
> Award and a nomination form appears below.
>
> Charles Harmon, Neal-Schuman Publishers
>
> ***************************
>
> The Futas Catalyst For Change Award recognizes and honors a librarian who
> invests time and talent to make positive changes in the profession of
> librarianship by:
> -- taking risks to further the cause
> -- helping new librarians grow and achieve
> -- working for change within ALA or other library organizations
> -- inspiring colleagues to excel or make the impossible possible.
>
> AWARD: $1,000 from Elizabeth Futas Memorial Fund and Citation.
>
> To nominate someone, please complete the form below and send it, along
with
> supporting documents, to Elizabeth Curry at the address below.
>
> The Elizabeth Futas Catalyst For Change Award
> 1998 APPLICATION FORM
> ALA Awards Program
>
> NAME:(of person nominated)
_______________________________________________
>
> ADDRESS:(Institution)___________________________________________________
>
> STREET ______________________________________________________
>
> CITY,STATE,ZIP: _________________________________________________________
>
> ALA MEMBER #: _______________________
>
> TELEPHONE: (_______) ______________________
>
> FAX: (_______) ________________________
>
> NOMINATED BY:
>
> Name: _____________________________________ Phone:
_______________________
>
> SIGNATURE: ___________________________________________
>
> Send SIX copies of the application form and six copies of supporting
> documentation to the Jury's Chair:
>
> Elizabeth Curry
> SEFLIN
> 100 South Andrews Ave.
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
> fax 954-357-6998
> currye at pb.seflin.org
>
>
>
>
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