Internet in Libraries

[Earl Young]

     Media outlets publish a lot of stupid things.  The idea that libraries 
     are going to overtaken is ludicrous in my opinion.  I think it has 
     less to do with greed - I doubt that more than one junior-to-mid-level 
     editor reviewed the article before it was published - and more to do 
     with a reporter needing something catchy to punch up a story.
     
     It would thus make sense to email the Times and ask why the cheap 
     shot?  Media outlets are a bit more sensitive these days because 
     people have gotten on their case.  I wouldn't hit it as a "why are you 
     so hard on us" as much as "what makes you think that more information 
     is going to make the people who know how to wade through it less 
     valuable?"  The proposition in the article is illogical.


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Internet in Libraries
Author:  Douglas Cornwell <dougc at pb.seflin.org> at INTERNET
Date:    2/28/97 8:10 AM


On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Earl Young wrote:
     
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> I agree with you.  My position is only that "free" is a misleading term. 
There 
> are numerous subsidies at work in our economy - the Web and the 'net in 
general 
> being very heavily subsidized.  I think most of these work out very well for 
all
> concerned.  Libraries have traditionally played an educational role that I 
> believe is very valuable.  That doesn't mean that people who charge money are 
> bad.  They are just following a different model.
     
I agree with all that you say, but it was the L.A. Times who put out the 
statement that people no longer need to go to the library.  That bothers 
me that those who are charging for their information would put out a 
statement such as that.  I can only conclude that they are greedy and see 
the library as something that is blocking their way from making more 
money!!!  They don't have to make a statement like that -- which is a put 
down of libraries.
     
Doug Cornwell
     
     
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> Earl Young
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> Subject: Re: Internet in Libraries
> Author:  dougc at pb.seflin.org at INTERNET 
> Date:    2/27/97 1:19 PM
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> 
> On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Earl Young wrote: 
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> >      You cannot get it for free.  You provide the information at no 
> >      immediate cost to the user in most cases, but that doesn't mean 
> >      "free."  It's subsidized.  Someone is paying salaries, rent, 
>      
> I agree there is a cost somewhere.  However, what I am talking about is 
> information being accessible free of charge to people.  Something that 
> libraries have done in this country since Benjamin Franklin's time.
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> And from my own personal experience not only as a librarian, but as a 
> library user, I can tell you that I have a 386 machine at home with a 
> small hard drive and a small amount of RAM.  I could not possibly do the 
> Internet on that machine.  I would truly like to upgrade and get 
> something that could handle the Internet (I mean, I use AOL now, but 
> accessing the Internet on my computer is truly awful).  I 
> just am unable to afford to do so.  And beyond that, once I did use the 
> Internet, I would regularly be paying for monthly Internet access (I am 
> using AOL free now and do not intend to continue).  I don't even 
> subscribe to cable television, but have put up an antenna.  So, the 
> library is very valuable for me and the amount that goes to pay for the 
> library through taxes is very small compared to what I would be paying 
> every time someone nickel and dimed me on the Internet!  Without cable 
> TV, I can get CNN on the Internet free - without the high costs that 
> cable companies charge.  And the thing of it is, there are so many people 
> that are worse off than I am.  They don't even have a 386!  
>      
> So, why not continue to provide these services for people to access this 
> information and you can do a more complete job in a library than entirely 
> on the Internet.  I have had students come to me knowing somthing they are 
> looking for, but not having the correct word to do the search.  Resources 
> in the library help us tackle that.  What if someone is looking for 
> information that may not be on the Internet?  What if someone wants to go 
> back further years than what is covered on the Internet?  What about the 
> question of credibility?  I downloaded an article on toilet training my 
> child from the Internet.  It was on a real nice site, but how do I know 
> the article is coming from a credible source? 
>      
> Why upset the apple cart.  Libraries have been doing what they are doing 
> very well for several centuries now.  And it has been offered so that 
> both haves and have nots have been able to share equally in the 
> information that is provided to our society.
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> >      utilities, subscriptions, etc.  The LA Times, and other providers, may 
> >      be greedy for wishing to be paid for their work - but that is hardly 
> >      an attempt to pull the rug from under libraries.  Just because it's 
> >      hidden in a tax somewhere doesn't mean libraries get anything for 
> >      free.  If you are a volunteer and accept no compensation for your 
> >      time, I apologize.  You obviously would then be into the "free" thing, 
> >      and my assertion would not be valid.
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> > Subject: Internet in Libraries
> > Author:  dougc at pb.seflin.org at INTERNET 
> > Date:    2/27/97 9:07 AM
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> > 
> > I have to relate an experience I had while helping one of our students on 
> > the Internet in our library.  I was showing him how to access newspapers 
> > on the web.  Specifically, he was interested in reading articles in the 
> > Los Angeles Times as the topic he was researching involved California.  
> > As we accessed the L.A. Times and found the "Archives" for the L.A. 
> > Times, we noted on the screen that it said, "You will no longer need to 
> > go to the Library."  The student noticed it and made the comment that "I 
> > don't know why they would say that because I come to the library all the 
> > time to use these computers and the Internet."  I agreed with him.
> >      
> > We proceeded to locate some articles on the L.A. Times in their archives 
> > and he was about to retrieve the full text when I brought to his 
> > attention that there was a notice about having to pay a cost to get the 
> > article.  We talked about how we bet that he would have to use his credit 
> > card to get it.  I told him, however, he could get the article through 
> > our library (we don't have it, but we can get it through interlibrary 
> > loan) free of charge.
> >      
> > It has occurred to me that perhaps our providing it free of charge is part 
> > of the problem.  There are so many people out there seeing that the 
> > Internet is for making money that they resent the age-old library premise 
> > that we can get it free!  Therefore, that is what is prompting such 
> > statements as what I saw on the L.A. Times.  Obviously, they are unhappy 
> > that a library can get the article at no charge.  Yet, isn't that what we 
> > have been doing for decades?  Why, all of a sudden do people want to pull 
> > out the rug beneath us?  Greed.  They want to make money off the Internet 
> > and as long as libraries exist, we can block their way.
> >      
> > I believe there are those that cannot always afford all the expensive 
> > gagetry it takes to use the Internet and since the library has always 
> > provided information for those unable to buy the very best, why shouldn't 
> > we continue to provide the information free in this age of the Internet 
> > and computers?
> >      
> > Just my two cents (sense?) worth. 
> >      
> > Doug Cornwell
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> >      
> > Douglas Cornwell
> > dougc at pb.seflin.org
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