[Web4lib] Web4lib Digest, Vol 58, Issue 25

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#9. Ebsco? what does it mean?
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  1. JOB: Technical Specialist ? BPL IT Department (Roy Tennant)
  2. IE 7 - IE 8 problem (Robin Boulton)
  3. Re: IE 7 - IE 8 problem (Robert Sullivan)
  4. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Wilfred Drew)
  5. Re: IE 7 - IE 8 problem (Kozlowski,Brendon)
  6. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Brian Gray)
  7. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Robert Balliot)
  8. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Wilfred Drew)
  9. Ebsco A-to-Z (steven turner)
  10. Re: IE 7 - IE 8 problem (Gerry O. Laroza)
  11. Re: Link to Library site on College website (John Fereira)
  12. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Robert Balliot)
  13. Free EDUCAUSE Live! Webinar > What Happened to the    Computer
      Lab? > February 3 2010 (gerrymck)
  14. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Richard Wiggins)
  15. Friendly language (Coral Sheldon-Hess)
  16. Re: Friendly language (Marc Davis)
  17. Re: Friendly language (Kelly Quinn)
  18. ACRL NE ITIG DigiCamp-Registration is now Open! Wheaton
      College, Friday March 19 (Pulliam, Beatrice)
  19. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Robert Balliot)
  20. Re: Friendly language (Thomas Dowling)
  21. Re: Link to Library site on College website (John Fereira)
  22. Re: Friendly language (Cindy Harper)
  23. Re: Friendly language (Hammons, James W.)
  24. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Brian Gray)
  25. Re: Friendly language (Bohyun Kim)
  26. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Robert Balliot)
  27. Re: Link to Library site on College website (Robert Balliot)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:01:35 -0800
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Subject: [Web4lib] JOB: Technical Specialist ? BPL IT Department
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:00 -0600
From: Robin Boulton <robin at stcharleslibrary.org>
Subject: [Web4lib] IE 7 - IE 8 problem
To: "'web4lib at webjunction.org'" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
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Hi folks, 

Once again I?m hoping the collective brain can come to my rescue with a web site problem we are having.

Our web site has started ?flashing? ? pages will attempt to load and then drop, load and drop, sometimes 14-15 times ? and sometimes will get into an endless loop of this action, so that you have to stop the browser from trying to load. We were thinking that it had to do with the IE 7 compatibility patch Microsoft issued, but there are inconsistencies ? our webmaster, for instance, gets no flashing on any of her computers at home (and she has several, of different vintages and amounts of memory, and different browser versions). The problem is not only in the library though, because quite a few patrons have called to let us know they too are having the problem. Sometimes on two theoretically identical PCs, side by side, a page will load cleanly on one and not well, or not at all, one the other.

There is currently code in the site that tries to force IE 8 into IE 7 compatibility mode, but on our public machines ? which are still on IE 7 ? the problem is much worse, and happens much sooner within a given session, than it is on staff machines running IE 8.

We recently changed from Trillian to LibraryH3lp for our AskALibrarian service, and initially that seemed to be the cause of the problem, but when the webmaster disabled it the problem didn?t go away, or even moderate.

Any suggestions would be welcomed as we are now growing bored with bashing our own heads, and the brick wall has chips missing.

TIA for any help!

Robin 


Robin Boulton  
IT Manager
St. Charles Public Library District
St. Charles, IL 60174
(630) 584 0076 x 258  
Cell:(630) 918 8738 
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:59:15 -0500
From: Robert Sullivan <robert.g.sullivan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] IE 7 - IE 8 problem
To: Robin Boulton <robin at stcharleslibrary.org>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
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> Any suggestions would be welcomed as we are now growing bored with bashing our own heads, and the brick wall has chips missing.

Works fine for me under IE8 and Chrome 3.x... I am not near a PC with
Firefox at the moment.

I did notice some validation issues:

http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stcharleslibrary.org%2F&warnings=yes

so perhaps there something in there would give you some ideas.

-- 
Bob Sullivan
Schenectady Digital History Archive
<http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/>
Schenectady County (NY) Public Library




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:59:47 -0500
From: Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: "'Robert L. Balliot'" <rballiot at oceanstatelibrarian.com>, 'Brian
    Gray'    <mindspiral at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
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That's not marketing, that's discoverability! That is a much different type of creature.

-----------------------------------------
Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
Strengths: Ideation, Input, Learner, Command, Analytical 
E-mail: dreww at tc3.edu 
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-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Robert L. Balliot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'Brian Gray'
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website


Here is an example -

Although I am aware of Case Western Reserve, but in over 20 years of
conducting searches I have never seen a search that resulted in any library
collection or even a web page from Case Western featured in the results.
Not Google, Not Yahoo, Not Bing.  And, although you may have a wonderful
library system - there is relatively no knowledge of it outside of your
walls and alumni. 

There are a few libraries organizing information and collections that do
become search results - Cornell and their law collections are a great
example of that.

There are a few libraries systems that are expected to yield results since
they have branded themselves as such. So, people will search their
collections with the expectation of finding results - such as the Baker
Library at Harvard.  But, my point remains Libraries have not marketed
themselves - although they start with a huge advantage over non-commercial
entities with legitimate content and expert information. 

*************************************************
Robert L. Balliot
Skype: RBalliot
Bristol, Rhode Island
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
*************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:55 PM
To: Robert Balliot
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

It seems to me libraries are marketed a lot - at least every institution oo
organization I have been involved. Are you considering a specific kind of
marketing when you say "Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed"?

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com
bcg8 at case.edu


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed. Yet, with an on-line catalog /
> databases, Library web content represents nearly 100% of the potential web
> pages representing a college or University. So, they can have a huge
> influence on potential buyers of college and University services.
>
> I have had commercial clients who spend in excess of $300,000 per month in
> Google Ad Words alone. My task is to get them to the top five in organics.
> Applying the some of same principles, it is relatively easy to place in
the
> top five for any college or University library because libraries are
simply
> not marketed. They are not being competitive. Here is an example using the
> phrase -  Providence College Library
>
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/libraries/providence_college.htm
>
> Libraries are relatively untapped marketing resources for colleges and
> Universities.  The idea of hiding nearly 100% of potential content by not
> linking directly from the home page is really, really bad marketing.
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Alan Cockerill
> <alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au>wrote:
>
> > On a practical note - what percentage of your institution's total page
> hits
> > are library hits?  It makes design sense to have commonly visited pages
> > quickly accessible.
> >
> > Our marketing people use Google Analytics to track usage and the Library
> > Home page is consistently one of the top 3 pages for the entire
> > institution.
> >
> > Alan Cockerill
> > Library Technologies Coordinator
> > James Cook University
> >
> > PO Box 6811
> > CAIRNS QLD 4870
> > Phone:+61 7 4042 1737
> > Fax: +61 7 4042 1516
> > Email: Alan.Cockerill at jcu.edu.au
> > Skype: alan.cockerill.jcu
> > Web: http://cms.jcu.edu.au/libcomp/assist/contacts/JCUPRD_017401
> > Blog: http://jculibrarytechnology.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > CRICOS Provider Code: 00117J (QLD)
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:17:04 -0500
From: "Kozlowski,Brendon" <bkozlowski at sals.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] IE 7 - IE 8 problem
Cc: <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <E42BD2DBCFF50E49A59BA1AA2DE64CDA06182C0B at Postal.sals.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

I would try making a copy of the site and removing any and all Flash (if any).  If you're still experiencing the problem, remove all JavaScript.  If that solves the problem, add the JavaScript back one at a time to determine the culprit.

If that does not solve the problem, try fixing the validation errors as Bob suggested (that should be done regardless, and it might help to do it first).

If even then it does not solve the problem, it's probably a setting on the computer.  Perhaps a resolution or DPI setting that just does not conform well to something on the site.  I often have issues with a large DPI and resolution set to 800x600.  DPI changes do not render well in any browser under certain conditions -- although I don't think that would cause "flashing".  (It's hard to understand exactly what you mean by "flashing" here.)



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:02:43 -0500
From: Brian Gray <mindspiral at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: rballiot <rballiot at oceanstatelibrarian.com>
Cc: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <e6abbff41001281302t429627a4xcc6ca4c5b2a6cd6 at mail.gmail.com>
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I hear your point. But does not your example demonstrate that you have not
searched for something my library offers on the web rather than it is not
marketed? It would seem high traffic from search engines in our web data
would counter your example.

I would not expect results to come up from every library for every search I
do.

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com
bcg8 at case.edu


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Robert L. Balliot <
rballiot at oceanstatelibrarian.com> wrote:

>
> Here is an example -
>
> Although I am aware of Case Western Reserve, but in over 20 years of
> conducting searches I have never seen a search that resulted in any library
> collection or even a web page from Case Western featured in the results.
> Not Google, Not Yahoo, Not Bing.  And, although you may have a wonderful
> library system - there is relatively no knowledge of it outside of your
> walls and alumni.
>
> There are a few libraries organizing information and collections that do
> become search results - Cornell and their law collections are a great
> example of that.
>
> There are a few libraries systems that are expected to yield results since
> they have branded themselves as such. So, people will search their
> collections with the expectation of finding results - such as the Baker
> Library at Harvard.  But, my point remains Libraries have not marketed
> themselves - although they start with a huge advantage over non-commercial
> entities with legitimate content and expert information.
>
> *************************************************
> Robert L. Balliot
> Skype: RBalliot
> Bristol, Rhode Island
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
>


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:31:24 -0500
From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6f00aeae1001281331g19853b91h352d87818766bfff at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going on,
libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding
would be much, much easier.

When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at their
brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely
come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.  With
the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla and
the Yahoo! index rocked. And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.

But, e-commerce stepped in and changed the mechanics of the web.  The search
algorithms were tested and retested with the goal of getting product links
in front of people.  The academics had better information, but relied
on reputation and quality rather than marketing through language
configuration and linking strategy or even basic avertising.  So now, all
the general population sees in the broadest sense is the relevance of
commercial as it has been marketed to them as information consumers.
Selling library services as a valuable product has become much more
difficult.

In Rhode Island, the various public libraries have individually and
collectively subscribed to some of the heavyweight databases.  The costs are
relatively low per capita, but use per capita is extremely low so they are
really not a bargain.  And, people would use them if they knew they were
there.  Instead, the subscriptions get cut, so no one benefits.  The
products were never effectively marketed.

Brian, I  do not expect *your* library results to come to the top of every
search that I do, but library sites in general should.  They don't.  They
have not been marketed. They have not been structured to get the product in
front of the consumer.

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu> wrote:

> That's not marketing, that's discoverability! That is a much different type
> of creature.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
> Assistant Professor
> Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
> Strengths: Ideation, Input, Learner, Command, Analytical
> E-mail: dreww at tc3.edu
> Follow the library: http://twitter.com/TC3Library
> ?Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail or document.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:
> web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Robert L. Balliot
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: 'Brian Gray'
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
>
>
> Here is an example -
>
> Although I am aware of Case Western Reserve, but in over 20 years of
> conducting searches I have never seen a search that resulted in any library
> collection or even a web page from Case Western featured in the results.
> Not Google, Not Yahoo, Not Bing.  And, although you may have a wonderful
> library system - there is relatively no knowledge of it outside of your
> walls and alumni.
>
> There are a few libraries organizing information and collections that do
> become search results - Cornell and their law collections are a great
> example of that.
>
> There are a few libraries systems that are expected to yield results since
> they have branded themselves as such. So, people will search their
> collections with the expectation of finding results - such as the Baker
> Library at Harvard.  But, my point remains Libraries have not marketed
> themselves - although they start with a huge advantage over non-commercial
> entities with legitimate content and expert information.
>
> *************************************************
> Robert L. Balliot
> Skype: RBalliot
> Bristol, Rhode Island
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
> *************************************************
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org
> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gray
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:55 PM
> To: Robert Balliot
> Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
>
> It seems to me libraries are marketed a lot - at least every institution oo
> organization I have been involved. Are you considering a specific kind of
> marketing when you say "Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed"?
>
> Brian Gray
> mindspiral at gmail.com
> bcg8 at case.edu
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed. Yet, with an on-line catalog /
> > databases, Library web content represents nearly 100% of the potential
> web
> > pages representing a college or University. So, they can have a huge
> > influence on potential buyers of college and University services.
> >
> > I have had commercial clients who spend in excess of $300,000 per month
> in
> > Google Ad Words alone. My task is to get them to the top five in
> organics.
> > Applying the some of same principles, it is relatively easy to place in
> the
> > top five for any college or University library because libraries are
> simply
> > not marketed. They are not being competitive. Here is an example using
> the
> > phrase -  Providence College Library
> >
> > http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/libraries/providence_college.htm
> >
> > Libraries are relatively untapped marketing resources for colleges and
> > Universities.  The idea of hiding nearly 100% of potential content by not
> > linking directly from the home page is really, really bad marketing.
> >
> > R. Balliot
> > http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Alan Cockerill
> > <alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au>wrote:
> >
> > > On a practical note - what percentage of your institution's total page
> > hits
> > > are library hits?  It makes design sense to have commonly visited pages
> > > quickly accessible.
> > >
> > > Our marketing people use Google Analytics to track usage and the
> Library
> > > Home page is consistently one of the top 3 pages for the entire
> > > institution.
> > >
> > > Alan Cockerill
> > > Library Technologies Coordinator
> > > James Cook University
> > >
> > > PO Box 6811
> > > CAIRNS QLD 4870
> > > Phone:+61 7 4042 1737
> > > Fax: +61 7 4042 1516
> > > Email: Alan.Cockerill at jcu.edu.au
> > > Skype: alan.cockerill.jcu
> > > Web: http://cms.jcu.edu.au/libcomp/assist/contacts/JCUPRD_017401
> > > Blog: http://jculibrarytechnology.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > CRICOS Provider Code: 00117J (QLD)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Web4lib mailing list
> > > Web4lib at webjunction.org
> > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web4lib mailing list
> > Web4lib at webjunction.org
> > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> >
> >
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>
>
>
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>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:04 -0500
From: Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: 'Robert Balliot' <rballiot at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Robert

Tell us how to do it then.

-----------------------------------------
Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
Strengths: Ideation, Input, Learner, Command, Analytical
E-mail: dreww at tc3.edu<mailto:dreww at tc3.edu>
Follow the library: http://twitter.com/TC3Library
PPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail or document.

From: Robert Balliot [mailto:rballiot at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:31 PM
To: Wilfred Drew
Cc: Robert L. Balliot; Brian Gray; web4lib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going on, libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding would be much, much easier.

When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at their brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.  With the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla and the Yahoo! index rocked. And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.

But, e-commerce stepped in and changed the mechanics of the web.  The search algorithms were tested and retested with the goal of getting product links in front of people.  The academics had better information, but relied on reputation and quality rather than marketing through language configuration and linking strategy or even basic avertising.  So now, all the general population sees in the broadest sense is the relevance of commercial as it has been marketed to them as information consumers.  Selling library services as a valuable product has become much more difficult.

In Rhode Island, the various public libraries have individually and collectively subscribed to some of the heavyweight databases.  The costs are relatively low per capita, but use per capita is extremely low so they are really not a bargain.  And, people would use them if they knew they were there.  Instead, the subscriptions get cut, so no one benefits.  The products were never effectively marketed.

Brian, I  do not expect your library results to come to the top of every search that I do, but library sites in general should.  They don't.  They have not been marketed. They have not been structured to get the product in front of the consumer.

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com<http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/>


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Wilfred Drew <DrewW at tc3.edu<mailto:DrewW at tc3.edu>> wrote:
That's not marketing, that's discoverability! That is a much different type of creature.

-----------------------------------------
Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
Assistant Professor
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From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org> [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org>] On Behalf Of Robert L. Balliot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'Brian Gray'
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib at webjunction.org>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website


Here is an example -

Although I am aware of Case Western Reserve, but in over 20 years of
conducting searches I have never seen a search that resulted in any library
collection or even a web page from Case Western featured in the results.
Not Google, Not Yahoo, Not Bing.  And, although you may have a wonderful
library system - there is relatively no knowledge of it outside of your
walls and alumni.

There are a few libraries organizing information and collections that do
become search results - Cornell and their law collections are a great
example of that.

There are a few libraries systems that are expected to yield results since
they have branded themselves as such. So, people will search their
collections with the expectation of finding results - such as the Baker
Library at Harvard.  But, my point remains Libraries have not marketed
themselves - although they start with a huge advantage over non-commercial
entities with legitimate content and expert information.

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Skype: RBalliot
Bristol, Rhode Island
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
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[mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org>] On Behalf Of Brian Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:55 PM
To: Robert Balliot
Cc: web4lib at webjunction.org<mailto:web4lib at webjunction.org>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website

It seems to me libraries are marketed a lot - at least every institution oo
organization I have been involved. Are you considering a specific kind of
marketing when you say "Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed"?

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com<mailto:mindspiral at gmail.com>
bcg8 at case.edu<mailto:bcg8 at case.edu>


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com<mailto:rballiot at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Libraries are rarely, if ever, marketed. Yet, with an on-line catalog /
> databases, Library web content represents nearly 100% of the potential web
> pages representing a college or University. So, they can have a huge
> influence on potential buyers of college and University services.
>
> I have had commercial clients who spend in excess of $300,000 per month in
> Google Ad Words alone. My task is to get them to the top five in organics.
> Applying the some of same principles, it is relatively easy to place in
the
> top five for any college or University library because libraries are
simply
> not marketed. They are not being competitive. Here is an example using the
> phrase -  Providence College Library
>
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/libraries/providence_college.htm
>
> Libraries are relatively untapped marketing resources for colleges and
> Universities.  The idea of hiding nearly 100% of potential content by not
> linking directly from the home page is really, really bad marketing.
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/contact.htm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Alan Cockerill
> <alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au<mailto:alan.cockerill at jcu.edu.au>>wrote:
>
> > On a practical note - what percentage of your institution's total page
> hits
> > are library hits?  It makes design sense to have commonly visited pages
> > quickly accessible.
> >
> > Our marketing people use Google Analytics to track usage and the Library
> > Home page is consistently one of the top 3 pages for the entire
> > institution.
> >
> > Alan Cockerill
> > Library Technologies Coordinator
> > James Cook University
> >
> > PO Box 6811
> > CAIRNS QLD 4870
> > Phone:+61 7 4042 1737
> > Fax: +61 7 4042 1516
> > Email: Alan.Cockerill at jcu.edu.au<mailto:Alan.Cockerill at jcu.edu.au>
> > Skype: alan.cockerill.jcu
> > Web: http://cms.jcu.edu.au/libcomp/assist/contacts/JCUPRD_017401
> > Blog: http://jculibrarytechnology.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > CRICOS Provider Code: 00117J (QLD)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:57:44 -0600
From: steven turner <steven.turner at usm.edu>
Subject: [Web4lib] Ebsco A-to-Z
To: <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <4C0EDCA7-9C7B-42F9-ABF0-11917DA6E0B3 at usm.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hi everyone,

My library would like to search or a-to-z list from outside of the Ebsco servers/interface - we are already doing this using an outside form, but now we'd like to differentiate between e-books and e-journals, but I can't find the form variable names for the get/post request that would indicate an item type - do any web4libbers out there who admin or  use Linksource know what these might be?

much thanks

Steve

-----------------------------------------
Steven Turner
Library Web Services Manager
Associate Professor
The University of Southern Mississippi
Cook Library
-----------------------------------------
email: steven.turner at usm.edu
phone: 601.266.4066
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:10:47 +0800
From: "Gerry O. Laroza" <glaroza at ateneo.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] IE 7 - IE 8 problem
To: web4lib at webjunction.org
Message-ID: <20100129071047.av3hgg5hwo84ok4o at mail.ateneo.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=UTF-8;    DelSp="Yes";    format="flowed"

Quoting Robin Boulton <robin at stcharleslibrary.org>:

> Our web site has started ?flashing? ? pages will attempt to load and

Tried it with Firefox,IE8 and Chrome....I didn't experienced any  
problem here..



Gerry O. Laroza
Computer & Audio-visual Section
Rizal Library
Ateneo de Manila University

"Hardwork is useless, unless appreciated!"





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:32:20 -0500
From: John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <4B623AA4.4000009 at cornell.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Robert Balliot wrote:
> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going on,
> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding
> would be much, much easier.
> 
> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at their
> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely
> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.  With
> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla and
> the Yahoo! index rocked. 

I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working as 
a systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in 
1993.  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had 
about 750 machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That 
was just one, albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I 
just looked up their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was 
registered in March of 1986, although we had a well established UUCP 
network before that.

> And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.

I have that today.





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:56:34 -0500
From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: jaf30 at cornell.edu
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6f00aeae1001281756k81ab294ged7dee6181edac0a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I never saw hp.com come up in the search engines or any other .com when I
searched 'Jane Austen'
or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search
yield results from there either.

I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750
computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem>would
equate to today?

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com



On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Robert Balliot wrote:
>
>> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going on,
>> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding
>> would be much, much easier.
>>
>> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at
>> their
>> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely
>> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.
>> With
>> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
>> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla and
>> the Yahoo! index rocked.
>>
>
> I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working as a
> systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in 1993.
>  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had about 750
> machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That was just one,
> albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I just looked up
> their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was registered in March of
> 1986, although we had a well established UUCP network before that.
>
>
> And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.
>>
>
> I have that today.
>
>


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:07:04 -0600
From: gerrymck <gerry.mckiernan at gmail.com>
Subject: [Web4lib] Free EDUCAUSE Live! Webinar > What Happened to the
    Computer Lab? > February 3 2010
To: LIBREF-L at listserv.kent.edu, DIG_REF at listserv.syr.edu,
    web4lib at webjunction.org, lita-l at ala.org
Message-ID:
    <1546c3f81001281807s5dd5682fo81c22f05f06b1f17 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

February 3 2010 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. MT, 10:00 a.m. PT)

Beth Schaefer / Associate Director / Client Services / University of
Wisconsin?Milwaukee

Summary

Your host, Steve Worona, will be joined by Beth Schaefer, and the topic will
be "What Happened to the Computer Lab?"

Over 80 percent of respondents to the annual ECAR study of undergraduate
students report owning laptops, yet usage of expensive public computer labs
remains high. Although computer labs might still be necessary, one can?t
help but feel that traditional labs are anachronistic in a world of wireless
connectivity, iPods, and smart phones. Labs are expensive to equip, staff,
and maintain, and often the layout maximizes the amount of equipment that
can be put into a given space rather than the creation of a comfortable or
stimulating learning environment.

Rather than predicting an entirely new model, this presentation will focus
on low-cost changes that can be made to the design, layout, and operation of
existing computer labs to meet both the changing needs of students and the
necessities of the economic recession.

Registration

There is no registration fee for this event.

Links To Source and Registration Pges(s) Available At

[ http://tinyurl.com/y9tamj7 ]

And/Or

[
http://mobile-libraries.blogspot.com/2010/01/free-educause-live-what-happened-to.html]

ENjoy !

/Gerry

Gerry McKiernan
Associate Professor
Science and Technology Librarian
Iowa State University Library
Ames IA 50011

Follow Me On Twitter > http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs

>>> "The Future Is Mobile" >>>


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:15:58 -0500
From: Richard Wiggins <richard.wiggins at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <efc70c361001281815n41ad53bbl2500c32f87661c17 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

This thread is so much a throwback -- to 1992, to 1994, to before, and
since.

Should the electric utility that provides power to the campus have a link
from the university home page?

Should the campus police?

Should the ambulance services that respond when you call 911 to report an
accident?

For campuses that reside in northern climes, should the department that
plows the roads in winter have a link from the university home page?

Should that department that runs the campus phone system -- almost
irrelevant to students in 2010?

Should the Compting unit?

Should central Administration?  The president?

Should the city in which the campus resides have a link, to appease
town/gown relations?

I believe the answer to all of these is resoundingly NO.  The university
home page does not exist to serve those who seek to proffer content.  It's
about faculty, staff, students, parents, prospective students, alums, and
donors.  It's not about any person or entity in the ivory tower.

Now, should the Library have a link from the institutional home page?

My instinct is:

-- Yes.

-- But many university library home pages are more about the library as a
department than about the services people seek, so, maybe no.

Now: make the case.  What value do you offer that's as sought or needed as
much as Admissions, Academic Calendar, Athletics, and the rest?

/rich

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com> wrote:

> I never saw hp.com come up in the search engines or any other .com when I
> searched 'Jane Austen'
> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search
> yield results from there either.
>
> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750
> computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem>would
> equate to today?
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>
> > Robert Balliot wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going
> on,
> >> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding
> >> would be much, much easier.
> >>
> >> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at
> >> their
> >> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most likely
> >> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.
> >> With
> >> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
> >> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla
> and
> >> the Yahoo! index rocked.
> >>
> >
> > I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working as a
> > systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in 1993.
> >  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had about
> 750
> > machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That was just one,
> > albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I just looked up
> > their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was registered in March of
> > 1986, although we had a well established UUCP network before that.
> >
> >
> > And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.
> >>
> >
> > I have that today.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:48:57 -0900
From: Coral Sheldon-Hess <coral.hess at gmail.com>
Subject: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <154c892b1001281848t4439a9d2m61513c14bb1cd278 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello!

My library (or, well, our Web Team) has started talking about using
"friendlier" terms on our website. Most immediately, we'd like to find
a more intuitive name for "Course Reserves." None of our students seem
to know what that term means, so, of course, it gets very little use.
I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's
that for a word) their websites, lately, though I don't know whether
they've had good results or not. I'd love to hear from any librarians
working on that kind of project!

To the crowd at large, though, do you have any thoughts on what else
to call "Course Reserves"? The best we've got, now, is "Course
Materials." Do you have--or have you seen--any really good examples of
"friendly" academic library website language?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Coral Sheldon-Hess
Web Services Librarian
UAA/APU Consortium Library

"... the library is not a place but a service." --Allen B. Veaner




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:32:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Marc Davis <marc.davis at drake.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: Coral Sheldon-Hess <coral.hess at gmail.com>
Cc: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <1306916108.222530.1264764760883.JavaMail.root at mailbox2.drake.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Probably one place to start is with actual student language.

For example: "course."  I don't hear students talk about "skipping course" but they do say "skipping class" . . . frequently.  On midwestern campuses, anyway, "class" is a much more common term that "courses."

When looking for reserves they come to the desk telling us "I need the readings for my biology class." Other frequently used terms include "articles, books, assignments"  or some combination like "assigned reading."  I don't recall ever being asked for "materials."

So, I'd keep track for a while at the Reserves desk of what students are actually saying.  At one library we ended up with "Assigned Class Readings."

FWIW.

Marc Davis 
Systems Associate 
Cowles Library, Drake University 
2507 University Avenue 
Des Moines, IA 50311 ?USA 
515-271-1934 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Coral Sheldon-Hess" <coral.hess at gmail.com>
To: "web4lib" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:48:57 PM
Subject: [Web4lib] Friendly language

Hello!

My library (or, well, our Web Team) has started talking about using
"friendlier" terms on our website. Most immediately, we'd like to find
a more intuitive name for "Course Reserves." None of our students seem
to know what that term means, so, of course, it gets very little use.
I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's
that for a word) their websites, lately, though I don't know whether
they've had good results or not. I'd love to hear from any librarians
working on that kind of project!

To the crowd at large, though, do you have any thoughts on what else
to call "Course Reserves"? The best we've got, now, is "Course
Materials." Do you have--or have you seen--any really good examples of
"friendly" academic library website language?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Coral Sheldon-Hess
Web Services Librarian
UAA/APU Consortium Library

"... the library is not a place but a service." --Allen B. Veaner


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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:12:18 -0500
From: Kelly Quinn <kellyaquinn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <aa8915d41001290612t78d6a19cgf82ef83aae035fa1 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I wouldn't give up on the term completely. I didn't know what a lot of
terms meant until someone explained them to me. And I see from your
website that you explain the term with an alt tag. But if you feel you
must, maybe use...

Class Reading Lists
Course Reserves (Reading List Material)

Or find out what the instructors are calling it, since the student is
probably coming into the library, syllabus in hand.

Kelly




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:29:43 -0500
From: "Pulliam, Beatrice" <BPULLIAM at providence.edu>
Subject: [Web4lib] ACRL NE ITIG DigiCamp-Registration is now Open!
    Wheaton College, Friday March 19
To: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <A4BF6D73BC18F24EB7BED0DB23BD1FAC5E82B48D39 at EXCHMBXCL.providence.col>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Mark your calendars for Friday, March 19th and join us for this free 1/2 day unConference focused on library technology @ Wheaton College in Norton, Massachusetts.

How does ITIG's DigiCamp work? If you are interested in hearing about other library's use of technology, or if you wish to share innovative or interesting things that are happening at YOUR library, just show up and share! DigiCamp will feature a community-driven format where each session is designed and delivered by you! This format fosters spontaneous sharing, therefore, no PowerPoints allowed! Even the topics chosen for each session will be chosen by you!

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When: Friday, March 19th. Registration starts @ 9am. Lightning round sessions begin @ 9:30am till 12:30pm
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Library Commons Librarian for Technology and Access
Phillips Memorial Library
Providence College
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Providence, RI  02918
(t) 401.865.1622
(f) 401.865.2823
IM: rhodylibrarian (AIM/iChat/Yahoo/GoogleTalk)
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:35:01 -0500
From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Richard Wiggins <richard.wiggins at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6f00aeae1001290735w71afd2f8lb85b4755d68ad9d2 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I agree with you about the 'Compting' unit, unless the Library is at
UNLV<http://www.unlv.edu/>.
:)

Let's look at the results of the acronym search - UNLV in Google:
UNLV<http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS214US214&q=unlv>

Although the description of UNLV states it is a "premier metropolitan
research university"
none of the top results or even the Google featured links include
'library'.  So, someone in marketing
decided to call UNLV a "premier metropolitan research university" but did
not value and validate the
research resources by marketing the library.

On the other hand, strong marketed library content can create links from all
sorts of keywords and phrases back to
the University site and validate the University presence on the web as a
"premier metropolitan research university".


R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Richard Wiggins
<richard.wiggins at gmail.com>wrote:

> This thread is so much a throwback -- to 1992, to 1994, to before, and
> since.
>
> Should the electric utility that provides power to the campus have a link
> from the university home page?
>
> Should the campus police?
>
> Should the ambulance services that respond when you call 911 to report an
> accident?
>
> For campuses that reside in northern climes, should the department that
> plows the roads in winter have a link from the university home page?
>
> Should that department that runs the campus phone system -- almost
> irrelevant to students in 2010?
>
> Should the Compting unit?
>
> Should central Administration?  The president?
>
> Should the city in which the campus resides have a link, to appease
> town/gown relations?
>
> I believe the answer to all of these is resoundingly NO.  The university
> home page does not exist to serve those who seek to proffer content.  It's
> about faculty, staff, students, parents, prospective students, alums, and
> donors.  It's not about any person or entity in the ivory tower.
>
> Now, should the Library have a link from the institutional home page?
>
> My instinct is:
>
> -- Yes.
>
> -- But many university library home pages are more about the library as a
> department than about the services people seek, so, maybe no.
>
> Now: make the case.  What value do you offer that's as sought or needed as
> much as Admissions, Academic Calendar, Athletics, and the rest?
>
> /rich
>
>  On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I never saw hp.com come up in the search engines or any other .com when I
>> searched 'Jane Austen'
>> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search
>> yield results from there either.
>>
>> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750
>> computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem>would
>>
>> equate to today?
>>
>> R. Balliot
>> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Robert Balliot wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going
>> on,
>> >> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and funding
>> >> would be much, much easier.
>> >>
>> >> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at
>> >> their
>> >> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most
>> likely
>> >> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.
>> >> With
>> >> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
>> >> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited. Mozilla
>> and
>> >> the Yahoo! index rocked.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working as
>> a
>> > systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in
>> 1993.
>> >  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had about
>> 750
>> > machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That was just
>> one,
>> > albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I just looked
>> up
>> > their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was registered in March
>> of
>> > 1986, although we had a well established UUCP network before that.
>> >
>> >
>> > And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have that today.
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web4lib mailing list
>> Web4lib at webjunction.org
>> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>>
>>
>


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:47:26 -0500
From: Thomas Dowling <tdowling at ohiolink.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: Coral Sheldon-Hess <coral.hess at gmail.com>
Cc: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <4B63030E.7 at ohiolink.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 01/28/2010 09:48 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess wrote:

> ...I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's
> that for a word) their websites

Here's a good starting point: <http://www.jkup.net/terms.html>.

-- 
Thomas Dowling
tdowling at ohiolink.edu





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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:30 -0500
From: John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <4B6305A6.1070806 at cornell.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Robert Balliot wrote:
> I never saw hp.com<http://hp.com> come up in the search engines or any other .com when I searched 'Jane Austen'
> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search yield results from there either.
>  
I'm not surprised.  While many of the divisions at Hewlett Packard had 
small libraries the material was primarily technical in nature.  I would 
imagine a search for Jane Austen or 'diabetes treatment' in our 
university library catalog would be lots of results but I doubt that the 
holdings information would indicate that the material was located at our 
Engineering Library. 

I was addressing the contention that  "edu sites dominated" the internet 
in 1993.  There were likely more .edu domains a few years earlier but I 
wouldn't be surprised if a smaller number of heavyweight .com sites 
actually had more nodes, even in the pre-web timeframe.  As I said, HP 
registered their domain in 1986 (a class A network) and in that year I 
set up the first tcp-ip network at their Data Systems Division.  When I 
think about the days, we probably had 750 nodes by 1990 (not 1993) and I 
know that some of the other divisions had more.  By 1990 Sun had a huge 
network as well.
> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750 computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem> would equate to today?
>  
Probably about the same as what I've got on my iPhone.

-- 
John Fereira
Cornell University
Twitter: @john_fereira
Google Wave: fereira at googlewave.com





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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:56 -0500
From: Cindy Harper <charper at colgate.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: Thomas Dowling <tdowling at ohiolink.edu>
Cc: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <a6503cda1001290758o22aed8bfp5f4abb069a1744e0 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Wouldn't "jargon" words be OK if we had tooltips/hover links that defined
them (and some indication that hovering your cursor would bring up a
tooltip)?  Sometimes I think it's useful for users to understand that there
are terms librarians use to denote categories (Reserve readings) that don't
exist in the outside world.  And "Books" just isn't specific enough
sometimes.

Cindy Harper, Systems Librarian
Colgate University Libraries
charper at colgate.edu
315-228-7363



On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Thomas Dowling <tdowling at ohiolink.edu>wrote:

> On 01/28/2010 09:48 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess wrote:
>
> > ...I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's
> > that for a word) their websites
>
> Here's a good starting point: <http://www.jkup.net/terms.html>.
>
> --
> Thomas Dowling
> tdowling at ohiolink.edu
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>


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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:10:03 -0500
From: "Hammons, James W." <JHAMMONS at bsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: 'Coral Sheldon-Hess' <coral.hess at gmail.com>, web4lib
    <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <BCD324F1BA07AC44A0F16E3561E2C2A11972557B72 at EMAILBACKEND03.bsu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

We definitely use plenty of unhelpful jargon, but this case throws me for a loop. Every university I've studied or worked at since 1983 has called material made available in the library for specific classes "reserves." Is the problem really marketing?

Jim


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-
> bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Coral Sheldon-Hess
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:49 PM
> To: web4lib
> Subject: [Web4lib] Friendly language
> 
> Hello!
> 
> My library (or, well, our Web Team) has started talking about using
> "friendlier" terms on our website. Most immediately, we'd like to find
> a more intuitive name for "Course Reserves." None of our students seem
> to know what that term means, so, of course, it gets very little use.
> I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's
> that for a word) their websites, lately, though I don't know whether
> they've had good results or not. I'd love to hear from any librarians
> working on that kind of project!
> 
> To the crowd at large, though, do you have any thoughts on what else
> to call "Course Reserves"? The best we've got, now, is "Course
> Materials." Do you have--or have you seen--any really good examples of
> "friendly" academic library website language?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> --
> Coral Sheldon-Hess
> Web Services Librarian
> UAA/APU Consortium Library
> 
> "... the library is not a place but a service." --Allen B. Veaner
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> 





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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:24:36 -0500
From: Brian Gray <mindspiral at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <e6abbff41001290824i32f6e21cj5de4334804b92c40 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

When I click on the link you provide, the 3rd link in the list is the UNLV
Libraries and the 4th is the special collections.

Brian Gray
mindspiral at gmail.com
bcg8 at case.edu


On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with you about the 'Compting' unit, unless the Library is at
> UNLV<http://www.unlv.edu/>.
> :)
>
> Let's look at the results of the acronym search - UNLV in Google:
> UNLV<
> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS214US214&q=unlv
> >
>
> Although the description of UNLV states it is a "premier metropolitan
> research university"
> none of the top results or even the Google featured links include
> 'library'.  So, someone in marketing
> decided to call UNLV a "premier metropolitan research university" but did
> not value and validate the
> research resources by marketing the library.
>
> On the other hand, strong marketed library content can create links from
> all
> sorts of keywords and phrases back to
> the University site and validate the University presence on the web as a
> "premier metropolitan research university".
>
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Richard Wiggins
> <richard.wiggins at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > This thread is so much a throwback -- to 1992, to 1994, to before, and
> > since.
> >
> > Should the electric utility that provides power to the campus have a link
> > from the university home page?
> >
> > Should the campus police?
> >
> > Should the ambulance services that respond when you call 911 to report an
> > accident?
> >
> > For campuses that reside in northern climes, should the department that
> > plows the roads in winter have a link from the university home page?
> >
> > Should that department that runs the campus phone system -- almost
> > irrelevant to students in 2010?
> >
> > Should the Compting unit?
> >
> > Should central Administration?  The president?
> >
> > Should the city in which the campus resides have a link, to appease
> > town/gown relations?
> >
> > I believe the answer to all of these is resoundingly NO.  The university
> > home page does not exist to serve those who seek to proffer content.
>  It's
> > about faculty, staff, students, parents, prospective students, alums, and
> > donors.  It's not about any person or entity in the ivory tower.
> >
> > Now, should the Library have a link from the institutional home page?
> >
> > My instinct is:
> >
> > -- Yes.
> >
> > -- But many university library home pages are more about the library as a
> > department than about the services people seek, so, maybe no.
> >
> > Now: make the case.  What value do you offer that's as sought or needed
> as
> > much as Admissions, Academic Calendar, Athletics, and the rest?
> >
> > /rich
> >
> >  On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I never saw hp.com come up in the search engines or any other .com when
> I
> >> searched 'Jane Austen'
> >> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search
> >> yield results from there either.
> >>
> >> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750
> >> computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem>would
> >>
> >> equate to today?
> >>
> >> R. Balliot
> >> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Robert Balliot wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing going
> >> on,
> >> >> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and
> funding
> >> >> would be much, much easier.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994 at
> >> >> their
> >> >> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most
> >> likely
> >> >> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.
> >> >> With
> >> >> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
> >> >> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited.
> Mozilla
> >> and
> >> >> the Yahoo! index rocked.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working
> as
> >> a
> >> > systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in
> >> 1993.
> >> >  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had about
> >> 750
> >> > machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That was just
> >> one,
> >> > albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I just looked
> >> up
> >> > their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was registered in March
> >> of
> >> > 1986, although we had a well established UUCP network before that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have that today.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Web4lib mailing list
> >> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
> >>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>
>


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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:24:36 -0500
From: Bohyun Kim <kimb at fiu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language
To: Coral Sheldon-Hess <coral.hess at gmail.com>
Cc: web4lib <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6F0BDC6FF3B0184189444C49729F0A9F266D94DE73 at FIUMB06CCR.ad.fiu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

When my library was creating a library site, we also debated this issue. I can confirm from experience that both faculty and students don't necessarily understand what the term, "course reserves" means. I agree with Marc. They often say class readings to refer to course reserves. They rarely say 'materials.'



However, our library decided to keep the traditional term, course reserves, on the website. Our public services folks use 'course reserves' consistently. So I think now most faculty at least understand the meaning. (But this probably won't work well for a large library.) I would have preferred something like "Assigned Class Readings" as its meaning is clear to users. But it seems that "course reserves" is too much of an established term among librarians. If you can make user-input an important factor in deciding the library website language, you may be able to go with a less traditional but more intuitively-understood term.



Good luck!

Bohyun



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FIU Medical Library

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-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Marc Davis
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:33 AM
To: Coral Sheldon-Hess
Cc: web4lib
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Friendly language



Probably one place to start is with actual student language.



For example: "course."  I don't hear students talk about "skipping course" but they do say "skipping class" . . . frequently.  On midwestern campuses, anyway, "class" is a much more common term that "courses."



When looking for reserves they come to the desk telling us "I need the readings for my biology class." Other frequently used terms include "articles, books, assignments"  or some combination like "assigned reading."  I don't recall ever being asked for "materials."



So, I'd keep track for a while at the Reserves desk of what students are actually saying.  At one library we ended up with "Assigned Class Readings."



FWIW.



Marc Davis

Systems Associate

Cowles Library, Drake University

2507 University Avenue

Des Moines, IA 50311  USA

515-271-1934





----- Original Message -----

From: "Coral Sheldon-Hess" <coral.hess at gmail.com>

To: "web4lib" <web4lib at webjunction.org>

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:48:57 PM

Subject: [Web4lib] Friendly language



Hello!



My library (or, well, our Web Team) has started talking about using

"friendlier" terms on our website. Most immediately, we'd like to find

a more intuitive name for "Course Reserves." None of our students seem

to know what that term means, so, of course, it gets very little use.

I know a number of libraries have looked into de-jargonizing (how's

that for a word) their websites, lately, though I don't know whether

they've had good results or not. I'd love to hear from any librarians

working on that kind of project!



To the crowd at large, though, do you have any thoughts on what else

to call "Course Reserves"? The best we've got, now, is "Course

Materials." Do you have--or have you seen--any really good examples of

"friendly" academic library website language?



Thanks in advance!



--

Coral Sheldon-Hess

Web Services Librarian

UAA/APU Consortium Library



"... the library is not a place but a service." --Allen B. Veaner





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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:31:28 -0500
From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6f00aeae1001290831y9609d28q1790abc10f686961 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I was referencing the dominance of search results derived from edu sources
and transition to commercial.
Cornell actually provides an example of what academic websites *should be*doing:

The phrase  federal law in Google results : federal
law<http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS214US214&q=federal+law>

places Cornell in the top five with an excellent resource.

The successful .com sites create their pages as if their livelyhoods depend
traffic. That is the motivating factor in content creation, language and
linking strategies.

Libraries should also create their pages as if their livelyhoods depend on
it.

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com



On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Robert Balliot wrote:
>
>> I never saw hp.com<http://hp.com> come up in the search engines or any
>> other .com when I searched 'Jane Austen'
>>
>> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead search
>> yield results from there either.
>>
>>
> I'm not surprised.  While many of the divisions at Hewlett Packard had
> small libraries the material was primarily technical in nature.  I would
> imagine a search for Jane Austen or 'diabetes treatment' in our university
> library catalog would be lots of results but I doubt that the holdings
> information would indicate that the material was located at our Engineering
> Library.
> I was addressing the contention that  "edu sites dominated" the internet in
> 1993.  There were likely more .edu domains a few years earlier but I
> wouldn't be surprised if a smaller number of heavyweight .com sites actually
> had more nodes, even in the pre-web timeframe.  As I said, HP registered
> their domain in 1986 (a class A network) and in that year I set up the first
> tcp-ip network at their Data Systems Division.  When I think about the days,
> we probably had 750 nodes by 1990 (not 1993) and I know that some of the
> other divisions had more.  By 1990 Sun had a huge network as well.
>
>> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750 computers<
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem> would equate to
>> today?
>>
>>
> Probably about the same as what I've got on my iPhone.
>
> --
> John Fereira
> Cornell University
> Twitter: @john_fereira
> Google Wave: fereira at googlewave.com
>
>


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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:35:52 -0500
From: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Link to Library site on College website
To: Brian Gray <mindspiral at gmail.com>
Cc: "web4lib at webjunction.org" <web4lib at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
    <6f00aeae1001290835h3de9f7c3x3a40e8310de0317f at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

:)  You clicked on the link through G-Mail and the algorithm kicked in with
the information associated with the post.

R. Balliot
http://oceanstatelibrarian.com





On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Brian Gray <mindspiral at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I click on the link you provide, the 3rd link in the list is the UNLV
> Libraries and the 4th is the special collections.
>
>
> Brian Gray
> mindspiral at gmail.com
> bcg8 at case.edu
>
>
>  On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree with you about the 'Compting' unit, unless the Library is at
>> UNLV<http://www.unlv.edu/>.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Let's look at the results of the acronym search - UNLV in Google:
>> UNLV<
>> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS214US214&q=unlv>
>>
>>
>>
>> Although the description of UNLV states it is a "premier metropolitan
>> research university"
>> none of the top results or even the Google featured links include
>> 'library'.  So, someone in marketing
>> decided to call UNLV a "premier metropolitan research university" but did
>> not value and validate the
>> research resources by marketing the library.
>>
>> On the other hand, strong marketed library content can create links from
>> all
>> sorts of keywords and phrases back to
>> the University site and validate the University presence on the web as a
>> "premier metropolitan research university".
>>
>>
>> R. Balliot
>> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Richard Wiggins
>> <richard.wiggins at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > This thread is so much a throwback -- to 1992, to 1994, to before, and
>> > since.
>> >
>> > Should the electric utility that provides power to the campus have a
>> link
>> > from the university home page?
>> >
>> > Should the campus police?
>> >
>> > Should the ambulance services that respond when you call 911 to report
>> an
>> > accident?
>> >
>> > For campuses that reside in northern climes, should the department that
>> > plows the roads in winter have a link from the university home page?
>> >
>> > Should that department that runs the campus phone system -- almost
>> > irrelevant to students in 2010?
>> >
>> > Should the Compting unit?
>> >
>> > Should central Administration?  The president?
>> >
>> > Should the city in which the campus resides have a link, to appease
>> > town/gown relations?
>> >
>> > I believe the answer to all of these is resoundingly NO.  The
>> university
>> > home page does not exist to serve those who seek to proffer content.
>>  It's
>> > about faculty, staff, students, parents, prospective students, alums,
>> and
>> > donors.  It's not about any person or entity in the ivory tower.
>> >
>> > Now, should the Library have a link from the institutional home page?
>> >
>> > My instinct is:
>> >
>> > -- Yes.
>> >
>> > -- But many university library home pages are more about the library as
>> a
>> > department than about the services people seek, so, maybe no.
>> >
>> > Now: make the case.  What value do you offer that's as sought or needed
>> as
>> > much as Admissions, Academic Calendar, Athletics, and the rest?
>> >
>> > /rich
>> >
>> >  On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I never saw hp.com come up in the search engines or any other .com
>> when I
>> >> searched 'Jane Austen'
>> >> or 'diabetes treatment'. Never saw an Archie, Veronica or Jughead
>> search
>> >> yield results from there either.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder what the computing processing power of those 750
>> >> computers<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem>would
>> >>
>> >> equate to today?
>> >>
>> >> R. Balliot
>> >> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Fereira <jaf30 at cornell.edu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Robert Balliot wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yes, Bill, it is marketing.  If there had been active marketing
>> going
>> >> on,
>> >> >> libraries would dominate the web today and securing budgets and
>> funding
>> >> >> would be much, much easier.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When I interned in reference at Brown University back in 1993-1994
>> at
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> brand new '21st Center Reference Desk'  search results would most
>> >> likely
>> >> >> come from an academic institution in lovingly handcrafted hypertext.
>> >> >> With
>> >> >> the heavyweights of the Web represented by the academic offshoots of
>> >> >> ARPANET, the edu sites dominated. Commercial was very limited.
>> Mozilla
>> >> and
>> >> >> the Yahoo! index rocked.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd be curious to see some actual statistics on this.  I was working
>> as
>> >> a
>> >> > systems administrator at a division of a large .com organization in
>> >> 1993.
>> >> >  It was about that time that we moved to new facility and we had
>> about
>> >> 750
>> >> > machines on the intranet (with full internet access).  That was just
>> >> one,
>> >> > albeit one of the larger ones, division in the company.  I just
>> looked
>> >> up
>> >> > their DNS record and it indicated that hp.com was registered in
>> March
>> >> of
>> >> > 1986, although we had a well established UUCP network before that.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > And, we had PCs, Macs, and Unix on the same desk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I have that today.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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