From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Jul 1 08:10:02 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jul 01 Message-ID: <200207011210.g61CA2Z05689@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS July 01, 2002 [Note: I am not the Web4Lib listowner. Please do not send subscription problems to me. - Thomas] This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. 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There are two common reasons why the commands above don't work and give you an error message. One is, ahem, operator error. If you're trying to unsubscribe or issue other listserv commands, make sure that you are spelling both the listserv address and the command correctly. The other common reason why unsubscribe and other commands fail is that your e-mail address has changed since you first subscribed to the list. Sometimes this is because you have chosen to forward mail from your original address to a new one. Sometimes this is due to your organization changing its entire e-mail addressing structure en masse (for example, from addresses like "chris@mailhost.domain.org" to "chris@domain.org"). For security reasons, listserv will only process commands affecting your subscription if the command is mailed from the same address as the original subscription request. 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If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From Jennifer.Soutter at state.ma.us Mon Jul 1 10:49:23 2002 From: Jennifer.Soutter at state.ma.us (Soutter, Jennifer (LIB)) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Cleanup Word docs converted to HTML Message-ID: <09B5D44C49504842A28986D9A2BDC4D810134D@ES-MSG-006.es.govt.state.ma.us> Hello, I have to admit I skip the clean-up process entirely by saving the Word file as .txt. I then open that file in my editor, HomeSite. The text displays, there are no tags at all, and I find it easier (less frustrating) to add tags than to deal with clean-up. Jen Jennifer Soutter State Library of Massachusetts http://www.state.ma.us/lib/ -----Original Message----- From: Brent J. Pliskow [mailto:brent@utopiadesign.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Cleanup Word docs converted to HTML To remove those pesky Microsoft tags from an HTML-converted Microsoft Word document, try the following script developed by an equally frustrated individual: http://www.textism.com/resources/cleanwordhtml/ Hope this helps. Regards, Brent J. Pliskow brent@utopiadesign.net ---------------------------------------------------- Utopia Design -- Creating the Virtually Perfect Web Web Design & Development and Technology Consulting E-mail: info@utopiadesign.net URL: http://www.utopiadesign.net __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com From Reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za Mon Jul 1 10:24:09 2002 From: Reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za (Yvonne Reynolds) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: ftp and http Message-ID: Hello, Could someone advise. we have a website from which we have several links to a range of zipped files which we had in an ftp directory. By clicking a link on our website you could activate the ftp download. This hasn't been working lately, particularly with new browsers, which are trying to open the pages in the browser, rather than download them. I am told this is because the newer IE browser is not defaulting to "active ftp" correctly. I have been advised that the best way to handle this would be to use the http protocol -i.e. put all the files in a directory on the website. and not use the ftp protocol at all. I am assured that the browser at the other end ( no matter how old) will know what to do with the file, no matter what format. (shape files too?) Is this correct? TIA Yvonne Yvonne Reynolds Website Manager National Botanical Institute Kirstenbosch. P/Bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa Tel +27 21 799 8712 Fax +27 762 0646 email: reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za http://www.nbi.ac.za http://www.plantzafrica.com The NBI accepts no liability for unauthorized use of its e-mail facility nor for corrupted or virus-infected messages. From hmhale at worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 1 12:31:13 2002 From: hmhale at worldnet.att.net (M. Hale) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: digital camera question Message-ID: <3D2083D1.A1C4E68D@worldnet.att.net> Perhaps this might be slightly off-topic and if so I apologize. I'll be traveling with a digital camera. Any suggestions about airport security, etc.? Thanks in advance. Marylou Hale North Las Vegas Library District From ras at anzio.com Mon Jul 1 12:36:07 2002 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] digital camera question In-Reply-To: <3D2083D1.A1C4E68D@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, M. Hale wrote: > Perhaps this might be slightly off-topic and if so I apologize. I'll be > traveling with a digital camera. Any suggestions about airport > security, etc.? Thanks in advance. I do it all the time. I generally have my camera in my carry-on (carrion?) bag, and it has never generated a second look. And "digital film" is not damaged by X-rays. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From hjarvis at buffalo.edu Mon Jul 1 13:23:32 2002 From: hjarvis at buffalo.edu (Hugh Jarvis) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: digital camera question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I recall correctly, computer chips are however damaged by repeated exposures to x-rays.... Hugh -----Original Message----- On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, M. Hale wrote: > Perhaps this might be slightly off-topic and if so I apologize. I'll be > traveling with a digital camera. Any suggestions about airport > security, etc.? Thanks in advance. I do it all the time. I generally have my camera in my carry-on (carrion?) bag, and it has never generated a second look. And "digital film" is not damaged by X-rays. From korvinc at oclc.org Mon Jul 1 14:51:31 2002 From: korvinc at oclc.org (Korvin,Catherine) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: Associate Editor, Internaet Resource Development, OCLC PAIS, NYC Message-ID: <1F138ACA1028064CB2BCB6A8F77B43D6020458@oapais1-server.oa.oclc.org> Please post the following job announcement on WEB4LIB. Thank you for your assistance. OCLC PAIS JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: ASSOCIATE EDITOR, INTERNET RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., is a nonprofit, membership library computer service and research organization dedicated to the public purposes of furthering access to the world's information and reducing information costs. We currently have an opening for an associate editor, Internet resource development at OCLC Public Affairs Information Service, our New York City (Midtown) office. REQUISITION: 3800-R00860-16 DIVISION: Cooperative Discovery Services DEPARTMENT: Public Affairs Information Service (PAIS) LOCATION: New York City, New York RESPONSIBILITIES: Selects print and electronic sources for indexing and abstracting; indexes and abstracts print and electronic materials; researches and authors the hot topics of the PAIS Web site; selects public policy Internet sites and documents for indexing and abstracting; archives electronic documents; runs periodic URL validation software; performs quality control of PAIS International and of derivative products; and selects material at remote sites, rotating with other editorial staff members. REQUIREMENTS: Master's in library and information science; knowledge of, and experience with, database and Internet searching and with using HTML editors, particularly Dreamweaver; knowledge of, and experience with, the organization and structure of subject indexes and subject classification; knowledge of the social sciences and current events; and the ability to write clearly and concisely in English. Familiarity with descriptive cataloging a plus. OCLC offers an excellent benefits package including medical/dental/life/vision insurance, and tuition reimbursement. For consideration, please submit your resume with salary requirements to: OCLC, Corporate Human Resources, 6565 Frantz Rd., Dublin, OH 43017-3395; fax 614-798-5718; e-mail jobs@oclc.org (ASCII text format only). Please continue to access our web site (www.oclc.org ) or call 614-764-6060 for more information and regularly updated listings of employment opportunities. OCLC is an equal-opportunity employer and is actively seeking qualified minority candidates for this position. From crose at uproc.lib.mi.us Mon Jul 1 16:36:06 2002 From: crose at uproc.lib.mi.us (Claire Rose) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: Anyone use CybraryN w/Dynix? Message-ID: <3D20BD36.D6D0E978@uproc.lib.mi.us> (excuse cross posting) Does anyone use the product CybraryN? We purchased it to manage our public computers, but we cannot get it to "talk" to Dynix. We want to use Remote Patron Authentication so that we don't have to sign people up for computers anymore. I am so frustrated. We seem to have everything together except one item. On the Dynix RPA Setup, we are asked to input the "Dynix RPA Verification Key". This is NOT the same as the RPA Login Site. We have called Cybraryn and Epitech to no avail. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thank you. Claire Rose Peter White Public Library Marquette, MI ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Mon Jul 1 16:40:01 2002 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Anyone use CybraryN w/Dynix? References: <3D20BD36.D6D0E978@uproc.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3D20BE21.9BD3AA04@anaheim.lib.ca.us> If you do get it working let us know. It sounds like a great alternative to Pac4Windows. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Claire Rose wrote: > > (excuse cross posting) > Does anyone use the product CybraryN? We purchased it to manage our > public computers, but we cannot get it to "talk" to Dynix. We want to > use Remote Patron Authentication so that we don't have to sign people up > for computers anymore. I am so frustrated. We seem to have everything > together except one item. On the Dynix RPA Setup, we are asked to input > the "Dynix RPA Verification Key". This is NOT the same as the RPA Login > Site. We have called Cybraryn and Epitech to no avail. Can anyone shed > some light on this? Thank you. > > Claire Rose > Peter White Public Library > Marquette, MI > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* From sgarwood at infolink.org Mon Jul 1 17:00:21 2002 From: sgarwood at infolink.org (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: Rough Price Message-ID: <01C22120.C9806460.sgarwood@infolink.org> Hello All, I've been asked to get an approximate value on computers which would have the following specs. The figures I need don't need to be "official" per se, but just a good estimate of what the machines are worth. [Read - I have old computers that I need to dispose of but I'm not allowed to just give them away...] I'm wondering if anyone can assist or can give me a pointer to a resource. Thank you in advance, Steve -------------------------------- Specs on the machines: Acer Processor 233 MHz Intel Pentium processor with MMX technology 512kb external level 2 pipeline burst cache Memory 32mb sdram DIMM expandable to 256mb 2 DIMM sockets - I occupied BIOS 256k Flash ROM Graphics Integrated 64-bit PCI local bus video (ATI 3D RageII) with 2mb SGRAM video memory Networking Integrated 10/100Mbit Ethernet with Wake on LAN I/O Connections 2 USB ports 1 serial port 1 parallel port Expansion slots 4 usable slots total (3 shared PCI?ISA and 1ISA) Audio Integrated 16-bit Sound Blaster compatible audio Comes with Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor ----------------------------- From dbosman at mail.lib.msu.edu Mon Jul 1 17:32:14 2002 From: dbosman at mail.lib.msu.edu (Bosman, Don) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Rough Price Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC71B1B5@MAINLIB8.lib.msu.edu> I suggest you check eBay, as that has become the defacto guide to the surplus market. You can use the history feature to pull up pricing for the last month or so to give a realistic average. I've seen several people surprised to find out how little some things that cost big were now "worth" on the open market. Based on my own experience buying at auction (don't all techs have a sideline selling and giving away used computers?) I'd expect to pay more for the monitors then I would for the Acer's you have listed. They are not very upgradeable. If the license for Windows 98 goes with the machine and there is a hard drive, my personal opinion is $50 - $65.00 would be fair to all, presuming there is a contract for zero tech support. With out a licensed OS, I'd suggest that at $35 - $50 the purchasers would be doing your boss a favor by not having costing you cash to dispose of them. That's about $30 each for monitors now. A batch of Gateway 200's similarly configured to what you listed and 15 inch monitors went out of MSU Surplus at about $25.00 each a month or so back. Don Bosman Information Technologist Michigan State University Libraries 517-353-8586 dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Steve Garwood [mailto:sgarwood@infolink.org] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 5:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Rough Price Hello All, I've been asked to get an approximate value on computers which would have the following specs. The figures I need don't need to be "official" per se, but just a good estimate of what the machines are worth. [Read - I have old computers that I need to dispose of but I'm not allowed to just give them away...] From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Jul 1 19:12:07 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Rough Price In-Reply-To: <01C22120.C9806460.sgarwood@infolink.org> References: <01C22120.C9806460.sgarwood@infolink.org> Message-ID: <196292221572.20020701171207@riverofdata.com> In addition to the comments already posted, with which I agree in general, there is the cost of disposal. In many communities it is illegal to dump computer equipment, as it is hazardous waste. In our community it costs ten dollars per CPU unit and ten dollars per monitor to dispose of the items. Even if your community doesn't have a fee for disposal of electronic equipment, it isn't very responsible to just haul the old stuff to the dump. You may find that it is less expensive to give the items away than it is to pay the fee to dispose of them. Naturally, YMMV. dan Monday, July 1, 2002, 3:00:06 PM, you wrote: SG> Hello All, SG> I've been asked to get an approximate value on computers which would have SG> the following specs. The figures I need don't need to be "official" per se, SG> but just a good estimate of what the machines are worth. [Read - I have old SG> computers that I need to dispose of but I'm not allowed to just give them SG> away...] -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From MyersBW at staff.abanet.org Mon Jul 1 20:09:00 2002 From: MyersBW at staff.abanet.org (Myers, Brian) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:32 2005 Subject: origin of quote needed Message-ID: Greetings - I am looking for the proper attribution for the following quote: "If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee; that will do them in." This is a rather ubiquitous quotation, attributed to "Bradley's Bromides" on many of the Web's quotation pages; I am hoping to find at least the actual name of the person responsible for this quip. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Brian Myers ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From elpub2002 at mbv.tu-chemnitz.de Tue Jul 2 07:38:21 2002 From: elpub2002 at mbv.tu-chemnitz.de (elpub2002) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: Invitation for elpub2002 International Conference / Carlsbad, Czech Republic Message-ID: <000701c221bc$f7ea9770$be406d86@mb3.tuchemnitz.de> Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen, we would like to lead your attention to an international event in your working domain: ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6th International ICCC / IFIP Conference on Electronic Publishing November 6th to 8th, 2002 Carlsbad, Czech Republic / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Sorry for any cross-posting. Best regards, Heike Baumgart elpub2002 organizing committee http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 - - [1] We would like to invite you [2] Wir laden Sie ein [3] Convidamo-lo [4] Le invitamos [5] Nous vous invitons [6] Vi har ?ran att inbjuda er till [7] Czech readers, please find http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02/_pdf/elpub2002invite_cz.pdf [8] Russian readers, please find http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02/_pdf/elpub2002invite_ru.pdf + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [1] We would like to invite you + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6th International ICCC / IFIP Conference on Electronic Publishing November 6th to 8th, 2002 Carlsbad, Czech Republic / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Conference fee: 350 EURO Early registration fee: 290 EURO (before July 30th, 2002) Conference language: English Extensive conference papers publication Further information: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions Electronic publishing is a dynamic technology field that affects various areas of research and application, such as e-commerce, digital libraries, and distance learning. This scientific conference will explore the various interrelations between the areas of electronic publishing. 49 authors from 16 countries will present their work. The presentations will deal with development and application concepts of new digital technologies as well as with broader sociocultural aspects and organizational issues and scenarios of electronic publishing. The program will be completed by cutting edge product presentations and a couple of social events in the unique atmosphere of one of Europe's oldest and most beautiful hotels, the Grandhotel Pupp. ELPUB 2002 is the sixth event in a series of annually held international conferences on electronic publishing. The objective of ELPUB conferences is to bring together researchers, developers, managers, and practitioners who work on electronic publishing issues in the public, scientific, and commercial field. ELPUB 2002 is your chance to experience intensive learning. You will explore new content strategies, hear about successful solutions, and discover the latest content techniques and tools. Meeting face-to-face with experts and researchers from all over the world and different professional backgrounds will be a highly effective way to extend your knowledge, broaden your horizons, and grow professionally. Please register via the conference website. There you will also find a detailed program as well as all further information. I would like to invite you to the conference in the name of the organizing committee ! Sincerely, Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (ELPUB 2002 Conference Chair) ELPUB 2002 ++ organized by ++ Institute for Print and Media Technology at Chemnitz University of Technology ++ Faculty of Information Science at Pilsen University ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing ELPUB 2002 ++ program committee ++ Department for Information Systems, University of Minho Further information: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 Hotel reservation: Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [2] Wir laden Sie ein + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6. Internationale ICCC / IFIP-Konferenz f?r Elektronisches Publizieren 6. - 8. November 2002 Karlsbad, Tschechische Republik / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Konferenz-Beitrag: 350 EURO Fr?hbucher-Beitrag: 290 EURO (bis zum 30. Juli 2002) Konferenzsprache: Englisch umfangreicher Tagungsband weitere Informationen: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions Elektronisches Publizieren ist ein dynamischer Technologiebereich, der unterschiedlichste Forschungs- und Anwendungsfelder ber?hrt und beeinflusst, vom e-Commerce ?ber Digitale Bibliotheken bis zum Distance Learning. Diese wissenschaftliche Konferenz geht den verschiedenen Wechselbeziehungen zwischen den Gebieten des elektronischen Publizierens nach. 49 Autorinnen und Autoren aus 16 L?ndern stellen Ihre Arbeiten vor. Die Vortr?ge und Pr?sentationen behandeln Entwicklungs- und Einsatzkonzepte neuer digitaler Technologien sowie soziokulturelle Rahmenaspekte und organisatorische Probleme und Szenarien des elektronischen Publizierens. Das Programm wird abgerundet durch innovative Firmenpr?sentationen und eine Reihe von geselligen Ereignissen. Das Grandhotel Pupp, eines der traditionsreichsten Hotels in Europa, gibt der ELPUB 2002 den angenehmen atmosph?rischen Rahmen. ELPUB 2002 ist die sechste Veranstaltung in einer Reihe von j?hrlichen internationalen Konferenzen zum Thema elektronisches Publizieren. ELPUB Konferenzen verfolgen das Ziel, Forscher, Entwickler, Manager und Anwender zusammen zu bringen, die sich im ?ffentlichen, wissenschaftlichen und kommerziellen Sektor mit Fragen des elektronischem Publizierens auseinandersetzen. ELPUB 2002 bietet Ihnen Gelegenheit zu einem intensiven Lernerlebnis. Sie werden neue Content Strategien kennenlernen, von erfolgreichen L?sungen erfahren, und die neuesten Content Techniken und Tools pr?sentiert bekommen. Das Zusammentreffen mit Experten und Forschern aus verschiedenen L?ndern und Arbeitsgebieten ist ein sehr effektiver Weg, Ihr Wissen zu erweitern, Ihren Horizont auszudehnen und berufliche Impulse zu gewinnen. Die Anmeldung erfolgt ausschlie?lich ?ber die Konferenz Web--Site. Sie finden dort auch das ausf?hrliche Programm und alle weiteren notwendigen Hinweise. Im Namen des Organisationskomitees lade ich Sie herzlich ein, an der Konferenz teilzunehmen ! Mit freundlichen Gr??en, Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (ELPUB 2002 Conference Chair) ELPUB 2002 ++ organisiert von ++ Institut f?r Print- und Medientechnik der TU Chemnitz ++ Fakult?t f?r Informatik der Universit?t Pilsen ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing ELPUB 2002 ++ Programm Komitee ++ Institut f?r Informationssysteme, Universit?t Minho weitere Informationen: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 Hotel Reservierung: Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [3] Convidamo-lo + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6? Confer?ncia Internacional ICCC / IFIP em Publica??o Electr?nica 6 - 8 de Novembro de 2002 Carlsbad, Rep?blica Checa / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Pre?o de inscri??o: 290 EURO (at? 30 de Julho de 2002) 350 EURO (ap?s 30 de Julho de 2002) Idioma da Confer?ncia: Ingl?s Publica??o extensiva/alargada dos Actas da Confer?ncia Informa??o adicional: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions A Publica??o Electr?nica ? um campo de tecnologia din?mica que afecta v?rias ?reas de investiga??o e aplica??o, como o com?rcio electr?nico, as bibliotecas digitais e o ensino ? dist?ncia. A confer?ncia cient?fica Elpub 2002 explorar? as diversas inter-rela??es na ?rea da publica??o electr?nica. Ser?o apresentados trabalhos de 49 autores vindos de 16 pa?ses. As apresenta??es abordar?o o desenvolvimento e aplica??o das novas tecnologias digitais, assim como aspectos socioculturais e quest?es organizacionais mais abrangentes, bem como os diferentes cen?rios de publica??o electr?nica. O Programa ser? completado por apresenta??es de produtos que usam tecnologia de ponta e por alguns eventos sociais na atmosfera ?nica de um dos mais antigos e belos hot?is da Europa, o Grandhotel Pupp. A Elpub 2002 ? a sexta de uma s?rie de confer?ncias anuais de car?cter internacional sobre Publica??o Electr?nica. O objectivo das confer?ncias ElPub ? reunir profissionais de investiga??o e desenvolvimento, gestores e utilizadores que lidam com as quest?es da Publica??o Electr?nica nos dom?nios p?blico, cient?fico e comercial. A Elpub 2002 ? uma oportunidade para experimentar a aprendizagem intensiva. Ser?o exploradas novas estrat?gias de conte?dos, ser?o dadas a conhecer solu??es de sucesso e descobertas as t?cnicas e ferramentas mais recentes. O facto de se encontrarem nesta confer?ncia peritos e investigadores de todo o mundo, e com passados profissionais distintos, faz com que esta seja uma forma eficaz de aumentar conhecimentos, alargar horizontes e crescer profissionalmente. As inscri??es dever?o ser feitas atrav?s do site da Confer?ncia, onde se encontra tamb?m o programa detalhado e outras informa??es ?teis. Gostaria de o convidar para a Confer?ncia em nome da Comiss?o de Organiza??o. Com os melhores cumprimentos Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (ELPUB 2002 Conference Chair) ELPUB 2002 ++ Organizado por ++ Institute for Print and Media Technology at Chemnitz University of Technology ++ Faculty of Information Science at Pilsen University ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing ELPUB 2002 ++ Comiss?o de Programa ++ Departamento de Sistemas de Informa??o - Universidade do Minho Informa??o adicional : http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 Reserva de hotel: Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [4] Le invitamos + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6? congreso internacional ICCP / IFIP sobre publicaci?n electr?nica 6 - 8 de noviembre de 2002 Carlsbad, Rep?blica Checa / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Precio de matr?cula para el congreso: Hasta el 30 de julio de 2002: 290 Euros A partir del 1 de agosto 2002: 350 Euros Idioma de las conferencias: ingl?s Actas detalladas sobre las jornadas Para m?s informaci?n dirigirse a: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB2002 ++ Technology Interactions La publicaci?n electr?nica es una parte din?mica de la tecnolog?a que trata e influencia los m?s diversos campos de investigaci?n y aplicaci?n, desde e-Commerce y bibliotecas digitales hasta el aprendizaje a distancia. En estas conferencias cient?ficas se tratar?n las distintas relaciones de intercambio entre los ?mbitos de la publicaci?n electr?nica. 49 autoras y autores de 16 pa?ses presentar?n sus trabajos. Las conferencias y presentaciones expondr?n, tanto proyectos de investigaci?n y aplicaci?n de nuevas tecnolog?as digitales, como aspectos socioculturales y problemas de organizaci?n y panorama. El programa se completa con innovativas presentaciones de empresas y diversos acontecimientos sociales. Uno de los hoteles con m?s tradici?n en Europa, el Grandhotel Pupp, se encargar? de darle a ELPUB2002 el adecuado y agradable ambiente. ELPUB2002 es el sexto acto en una sucesi?n de conferencias anuales en torno al tema de la publicaci?n electr?nica. Estas conferencias tienen como meta reunir a investigadores, empresarios y usuarios interesados en la publicaci?n electr?nica dentro del sector p?blico, cient?fico y comercial. ELPUB2002 le ofrece la posibilidad de una intensiva experiencia de aprendizaje. Adem?s de conocer las nuevas estrategias Content y soluciones exitosas, le ser?n presentadas las m?s nuevas t?cnicas y herramientas Content. Este encuentro con expertos y cient?ficos de diferentes pa?ses y ?mbitos de trabajo es una manera muy efectiva de ampliar sus conocimientos, expandir su horizonte y ganar nuevos impulsos profesionales. La inscripci?n se realizar? unicamente a trav?s de la p?gina de internet. Aqu? encontrar? adem?s del programa detallado, todas las informaciones necesarias. En nombre del comit? de organizaci?n me complace invitarle a asistir al congreso. Un saludo cordial, Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (Director del congreso ELPUB 2002) ELPUB 2002 ++ organizado por ++ Instituto de t?cnicas de medios e imprenta de la Universidad T?cnica de Chemnitz ++ Facultad de Inform?tica de la Universidad Pilsen ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing Para m?s informaci?n dirigirse a: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 Reserva de hotel: Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [5] Nous vous invitons + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6e conf?rence internationale ICCC / IFIP sur les publications ?lectroniques 6 - 8 novembre 2002 Carlsbad, R?publique Tch?que / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Frais d'inscription : 350 EURO (avant le 30 juillet 2002) : 290 EURO Conf?rence en anglais Actes de colloque importants Pour plus d'informations: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions La publication ?lectronique est un domaine technologique dynamique dont les recherches et les applications se r?percutent aussi bien dans le e-commerce que dans les biblioth?ques virtuelles ou l'enseignement ? distance. Cette conf?rence scientifique portera sur les diff?rentes interrelations entre les domaines de la publication ?lectronique. 49 auteurs de 16 pays diff?rents pr?senteront leurs travaux. Les pr?sentations traiteront des concepts de d?veloppement et d'application des nouvelles technologies digitales ainsi que des aspects socio-culturels, des probl?mes d'organisation ou des sc?narios de publication ?lectronique. Le programme sera compl?t? par des pr?sentations d'entreprises innovantes et poursuivi par quelques manifestations r?cr?atives. Le Grandhotel Pupp, un des plus prestigieux h?tels traditionnels en Europe, vous accueillera dans une atmosph?re unique. ELPUB 2002 est le 6e ?v?nement dans la continuit? des conf?rences annuelles internationales de la publication ?lectronique. L'objectif de la conf?rence ELPUB est de poursuivre la collaboration entre chercheurs, d?veloppeurs, managers et utilisateurs qui travaillent sur la publication ?lectronique, dans le domaines publics, scientifiques ou commerciaux. ELPUB 2002 est pour vous l'occasion d'un apprentissage intensif. Vous y d?couvrirez les nouvelles "Content Strategies", les derni?res innovations ainsi que des outils et techniques ? la pointe du progr?s vous seront pr?sent?s. La rencontre d'experts et chercheurs de diff?rents pays et aux domaines de comp?tences vari?s est un moyen efficace d'enrichir vos connaissances, d'?largir votre horizon et de dynamiser votre travail. Merci de vous inscrire directement sur le site internet. Vous y trouverez le programme d?taill? ainsi que de plus amples informations. Au nom du comit? organisateur, je vous invite chaleureusement ? participer ? cette conf?rence. Sinc?res salutations, Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (ELPUB 2002 Conference Chair) ELPUB 2002 ++ organis? par ++ Institut de Publication et de Technique des Medias de l'Universit? Techniologique de Chemnitz ++ Facult? d'Informatique de l'Universit? de Pilsen ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing Informations compl?mentaires: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 R?servation de l'h?tel : Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + [6] Vi har ?ran att inbjuda er till + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions 6:e Internationella ICCC / IFIP Konferensen om Elektronisk Publicering 6:e - 8:e november, 2002 Carlsbad, Tjeckien / Karlovy Vary, Ceska Republika Konferensavgift: 350 EURO Konferensavgift: 290 EURO (om registrering sker innan 30:e juli 2002) Konferensspr?k: English Samtliga konferensartiklar samlas och publiceras som en bok Mer information: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 ELPUB 2002 ++ Technology Interactions Elektronisk publicering ?r ett dynamiskt ?mne som sp?nner ?ver skilda forskningsf?lt och anv?ndningsomr?den s?som e-kommers, digitala bibliotek och distansundervisning, f?r att bara ta ett f?tal exempel. Under denna vetenskapliga konferens kommer olika relationer mellan skilda omr?den av elektronisk publicering att utforskas. Artikelf?rfattare fr?n 16 olika l?nder presenterar sina arbeten. Presentationerna handlar om utveckling och applikationer av ny digital teknik men ocks? bredare sociala, kulturella aspekter av elektronisk publicering. Det digra programmet full?ndas av en rad presentationer av spetsteknologi och ett rikt social program som tar plats i en unik milj? i en av Europas ?ldsta och vackraste hotel - Grand Hotel Pupp. ELPUB 2002 ?r den sj?tte i raden av en serie ?rligen ?terkommande internationella konferenser i ?mnet Elektronisk Publicering. M?let ?r att samla forskare, utvecklare, f?rl?ggare, biblioteksfolk och andra anv?ndare som p? n?got s?tt arbetar med dessa fr?gor inom den vetenskapliga, kommersiella eller allm?nna sektorn. ELPUB 2002 ?r din chans till en intensiv kompetensutveckling. Du f?r m?jlighet att utforska publiceringsstrategier, lyssna till framg?ngsrika probleml?sningar och uppt?cka de senaste teknikerna och verktygen inom elektronisk publicering. Att personligen tr?ffa och umg?s med experter och forskare med olika bakgrund, fr?n hela v?rlden ?r ett b?de effektivt och stimulerande s?tt att utt?ka dina kunskaper, bredda dina horisonter och att v?xa i din yrkesroll. Anm?l dig till konferensen via konferensens web-sida. D?r hittar du ocks? ett detaljerat konferensprogram liksom all vidare information om konferensen. P? organisationskommittens v?gnar har jag gl?djen att inbjuda dig till ELPUB 2002. Med v?nliga H?lsningar, Prof. Dr. Arved C. H?bler (ELPUB 2002 Conference Chair) ELPUB 2002 ++ organiseras av ++ Institute for Print and Media Technology at Chemnitz University of Technology ++ Faculty of Information Science at Pilsen University ++ ICCC - International Computer Communication Council ++ IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing Ytterligare information: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02 Hotell reservation: Grandhotel Pupp ++ http://www.pupp.cz From jul at oclc.org Tue Jul 2 11:11:21 2002 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: OCLC Institute MindLeaders Offerings and Multi-License Discounts Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC54994D3@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Cross-posted to selected library discussion lists. Please forward as appropriate. --Erik] Dear Colleague: Increasingly, knowledge access management requires the efficient and effective use of computers and networking technologies. This is evidenced by the growing number of library jobs that call for specific technological training, experience, and expertise. It is likely that technology is shaping your job, perhaps profoundly, because technology affects every aspect of the knowledge cycle: creation, capture, description, dissemination, storage, discovery, access, use, and preservation. Understanding how to exploit technology for more efficient library administration and more effective direct user services is key for future success. To be responsive to the growing demand for technology education for working library professionals, the OCLC Institute has partnered with MindLeaders, a leading developer of online learning (http://institute.oclc.org). Our MindLeaders offerings comprise an impressive array of topics for online learning anytime, anywhere, at extremely attractive prices. Course groups include: * End User Desktop Computing (180 courses in 39 series) * Technical General (194 courses in 31 series) * Technical MCSE (147 courses in 47 series) * Technical Web Development (81 courses in 16 series) And now, we offer multi-license discounts that can lower the per-capita educational investment for a department, library, library system, or consortia. For example, 101 one-year licenses for the End User Desktop Computing course group (180 courses in 39 series) would cost approximately $50.96 per learner (or about twenty-eight cents per course) for high-quality content and effective online learning. Discounts to the low, individual-license prices begin at just 26 licenses, and you can mix and match your course groups. Even greater discounts are available for larger purchases. And buying for your library, system, or consortia is easy using an interactive spreadsheet or a printable order form (http://institute.oclc.org/mlp.shtm). It's never been easier to get the high-quality technical education you need, for yourself or your entire library, system, or consortia. Please see http://institute.oclc.org for all of the details and to order your MindLeaders course groups. Yours truly, --Erik Erik Jul Executive Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org P.S. If you are not in charge of educational purchases for your library, system, or consortia, perhaps you could pass this information along to the staff development director or appropriate individual. Thank you. ej From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jul 2 11:31:30 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: Changes in LIS Education -- Revised Bibliography Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04010CFE95@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> A while back I posted a note to Web4Lib announcing a new bibliography I'd put together. I've just completed a substantial revision to this "Changes in LIS Education" bibliography: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/~b-sloan/edbib.html This bibliography represents my attempt to gather relevant literature related to changes in LIS education over the past fifteen years, for North American schools accredited by the American Library Association. This bibliography contains entries that treat the topic from the perspectives of both practitioner and educator. There are some entries that may fall outside of the "North American" criterion, or that may be older than fifteen years. I include them because I find them useful. There are more than 250 citations in this bibliography. About 25% of these entries are available online, and the URLs have been listed. More than 60 citations have been added since the last revision. These new entries have been highlighted in red. (Note: "new" means new to this bibliography, and not necessarily a recent publication). Please contact me if you have additional entries. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Tue Jul 2 11:50:07 2002 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: Metrologic Scanners Message-ID: <3D21CBAF.2B5F318@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I was just looking at the Metrologic Voyager Laser Barcode Scanners. Does anybody have any experience with them to know if they are reliable? Note: posted to two listserves, sorry for any duplication. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From ffrad1 at uaf.edu Tue Jul 2 15:04:33 2002 From: ffrad1 at uaf.edu (Rheba Dupras) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: Position Announcement: Assistant Prof/Web Librarian Message-ID: <3D21F936@webmail.uaf.edu> Apologies for cross-posting this job announcement to several lists. Assistant Professor/Web Librarian. University of Alaska Fairbanks seeks service-oriented, technologically-proficient librarian to lead development and administration of web-based services for Rasmuson Library. This tenure-track position is one of 4 librarians reporting to Head of Information Services and works closely with Systems Department of Rasmuson Library?s Division of Computing and Communications. UAF is a Carnegie Doctoral Intensive University and the senior campus within the University of Alaska system. Fairbanks boasts a continental climate with outstanding year-round recreational opportunities, delightful summers and dry, calm winters. Duties: Web librarian shall work with library management and departments to articulate a vision for library web site, facilitate communication with library departments and content providers for their web-based services, manage library web site, develop project specifications, conduct project evaluations, coordinate task groups, contribute to strategic planning, and develop guidelines and standards. Formal teaching of undergraduate Library Science course, support for distance education services, general reference duties, research and publication, and university service are required. Required qualifications: ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent; ability to build a web site; current working knowledge of web technologies, development practices and issues; understanding of effective web interface design and awareness of current issues in architecture, navigation, usability, and accessibility; teaching experience. Full job description including required and desired qualifications is available at www.uaf.edu/uafhr/jobs/Faculty.html Salary: minimum $46,000 (9 month base at $34,500 + 3 months additional at $11,500) commensurate with experience. This position is represented by a bargaining unit. Excellent benefits. Faculty rank. For more information about Rasmuson Library see: www.uaf.edu/library. For more information about Fairbanks see: www.sled.alaska.edu Application: Applications must be postmarked by July 26, 2002. A UA applicant form MUST be completed and submitted. Please mention Req# FF20731001, and provide ALL the following: UA applicant form; letter of application; resume with names, addresses and phone numbers of 3 professional references; portfolio of URL?s which represent your active websites or archived sites for which you had full responsibility to: UAF Human Resources, P.O. Box 757860, Fairbanks, AK 99775-7860, ATTN: Rheba Dupras, Search Committee Chair, FAX: 907-474-5859, email: fyjobs@uaf.edu. The Application Form may be downloaded from: www.alaska.edu/hr/forms/PDF_ent/applicant_form_ent.pdf or obtained from UAF Human Resources, Administrative Services Center, 3295 College Road, Room 108, Fairbanks, Alaska, 99775-7860. If you have questions regarding this vacancy announcement, please contact Bonnie Schertenleib, 907-474-7050, or email fnbfs@uaf.edu. UAF is an AA/ADA/EEO employer. From Linda_Salem at redlands.edu Sat Jul 6 11:36:41 2002 From: Linda_Salem at redlands.edu (Salem, Linda) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: LACASIS Fall Workshop: Website Usability: Practical Guidelines, P otential Pitfalls, Proven Successes Message-ID: The LACASIS 2002 Fall Workshop is here! Register Now for our annual day-long workshop Website Usability: Practical Guidelines, Potential Pitfalls, Proven Successes Friday, September 27, 2002 Beckman Hall and Conference Center 8:30am-4:00pm Chapman University Orange, California * How can I find what I need? * Can I click through fewer pages to get to what I need? * Will you redesign your site so it's easier to use? Are these some of the questions you hear from users? Would you like to learn how to assess your user's needs while learning how to design a site that will better serve them? How important is user-centered design anyway? Discover the intricacies, pitfalls and successes of user-centered design. Identify key elements of user behavior. Learn how to measure the effectiveness of your web site. The 2002 Fall Workshop will focus on web design, assessment tools, and user behavior to give you the tools to create a web site which addresses the needs of users of all types. Enjoy a tasty continental breakfast and a sumptuous lunch on the sunny patio. Network with your colleagues. Free parking in the Main Lot on Lemon and Sycamore is included. Send completed form and payment to: Heather Hessel LACASIS Reservations 9054 Carson St, Apt A Culver City, CA 90232 Please make sure and register by the September 20, 2002 deadline. ON-SITE REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE! "-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----"--- --"-----"----"-----"-----"-----"-----"-----" LACASIS FALL 2002 WORKSHOP REGISTRATION FORM Fees EARLY BIRD ASIST members, full-time students $75.00 if postmarked on or before Aug 30 Non-Members $85.00 REGULAR ASIST members, full-time students $85.00 Non-Members $95.00 Registration Deadline: Friday, September 20, 2002. Register Today! ON-SITE REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE! Name_______________________________________________________________________ Address_____________________________________________________________________ City___________________________________State______________Zip_______________ _ Phone_____________________________ Email____________________________________ Please make checks payable to LACASIS From battagli at SLS.LIB.IL.US Sat Jul 6 17:10:11 2002 From: battagli at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Eric M. Battaglia) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:33 2005 Subject: WinU problems? Message-ID: <1025989811.3d275cb37a861@imp.sls.lib.il.us> Hello, I checked the archives for this subject, but didn't see anything recently posted, so I'm sorry if this has been covered before. I'm the technology manager at a small public library where we've been using WinU on our public database computers for the past three months. We've been experiencing problems with WinU freezing up, often when we are running a program or trying to shut down. Has anyone heard of any conflicts WinU might have with Windows 2000 or maybe Netscape Navigator? Thanks, Eric Battaglia Technology Manager Adult Services Forest Park Public Library From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 10 17:57:32 2002 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: metadata in HTML pages In-Reply-To: <20020603030932.549.qmail@webmail2.iinet.net.au> References: <20020603030932.549.qmail@webmail2.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Dear List: I'm hoping both for some specific answers which will help me resolve some questions I have and also perhaps stimulate discussion which may be useful generally. I've been working to incorporate metadata into our library's Web pages. Some of the information required -- such as a tag -- falls easily into the "no-brainer" category, Some tags help search engines find, categorize and display your pages better. There are some other mechanical or functional metatags with local benefits. For instance, we use ht://DIG as our local search engine and there are metatags which allow us to take advantage of added indexing features of that system. To help local Web authors incorporate recommended metadata in their pages, we've been developing online forms which can kick out the required coding. In the midst of discussing and demonstrating these features, someone asked me whether we shouldn't be using Dublin Core, instead or as well. I have to admit, I was stumped. I know DC and I've used in within some of my own projects but it doesn't jump out at me as a solution for this sort of application (i.e., everyday library Web pages). In other words, what would be the advantages of coding DC (or even another metadata scheme) into our pages? Are there common search engines which can take advantage of any of these metadata schemes? Or other tools which do something interesting with this information. Within the academic, research and library worlds, I see that DC and other metadata schemes are taken very seriously. I and expect that within certain projects -- XML and SGML encoded documents and digital archives organized within a special retrieval and browsing interface -- these can be critical. But what about the average Web page, such as a list of departments, phone numbers, and names? Is there any point in using one of these higher-end metadata schemes generally? I've asked this question in another form some time ago. What I actually asked then was why wasn't the library community putting more effort into getting a metadata standard implemented by the search engines. I didn't really get a satisfactory answer and I haven't seen any developments tending towards making all our metadata efforts worthwhile generally. In fact, part of what prompted me to raise this question is the introduction of Metadata Object Description Schema (MODS) http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ yet another library-based metadata standard. MODS appears to challenge existing standards, noting that it is "richer than Dublin Core" and "more end user oriented than the full OAI MARC XML schema." OK, so what now? What if I'd already started implementing one of the existing schemas in my library's Web site, assuming that I didn't believe it to be a useless exercise in the first place? If LOC is right, I should be replacing DC with MODS coding. Are the reasons that compelling? I return to my earlier question: Wouldn't it be more useful if the library community spent its time and energy getting the search engine community to adopt a metadata schema as a retrieval option than spending our time spinning out more and more refined standards that won't be used? I may be reading this whole business wrong. However, I'm far from new to the metadata question and while I understand the application within certain situ- ations, I'm willing to accept the possibility that I've missed something impor- tant in how metadata fits into the wider context of the Web. Brickbats and kudos equally welcomed, -- Lee Jaffe -- =============================================================== Lee David Jaffe Library Computing & Network Services 168B McHenry Library ldjaffe@cats.ucsc.edu University of California 831.459.3297 fax: 831.459.8206 Santa Cruz, California 95064 http://people.ucsc.edu/~ldjaffe From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jul 10 18:35:02 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: Debut of Univ. of Michigan's OAIster Search Interface Message-ID: <1026340502.3d2cb696df581@mail.spamcop.net> Hello from D.C. I just posted this to the Resourceshelf: University of Michigan's OAIster Search Interface (Version 1) Simple Interface at: http://oaister.umdl.umich.edu/cgi/b/bib/bib-idx?c=oaister;page=simple According to the OpenArchives site the database has "harvested" over 274046 records from 55 institutions that use the OAI protocol. You can review collections by institution by heading to http://oaister.umdl.umich.edu/viewcolls.html. U of M also has a page where you can learn about future plans for the service. http://oaister.umdl.umich.edu/phase2.html See Also: What's the Open Archives Iniative? Read the FAQ and Visit The OAI Site http://www.openarchives.org/documents/FAQ.html Have Fun! cheers, gary -- The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.freepint.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gary@freepint.com From Mcgreg2F at wcc.govt.nz Wed Jul 10 19:06:50 2002 From: Mcgreg2F at wcc.govt.nz (Fiona Mcgregor) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2681 Message-ID: <6B451193F2DBD11182880000F8663101130434FA@hadrianus.wcc.govt.nz> Until recently, we disabled access to those which were "good" (ie. less than $5 owing) via a daily process of preparing & uploading to our webserver a plain text file of card details, which our authentication (perl) scripts run against. Our scripts check a library card's PIN prefix and re-route library card numbers with "corporate borrower type" to a separate login page and deny access to out-of-town library cards who aren't able to access databases such as EBSCO. We still run the same checks, but the file now includes all card numbers, not only those that are "good", because of a change in library policies and procedures. It's not the best system, because it means there's a delay before customers can remotely access our 3rd party databases, but it does mean that we can control access reasonably well. If you want further details, I'm happy to provide them. cheers fiona mcgregor ---------------------------------------- Fiona McGregor Technology Coach/Webmistress Wellington City Libraries P O Box 1992 Wellington New Zealand Web http://www.wcl.govt.nz Web catalogue http://www.wcl.govt.nz/catalogue/index.html E-city - for thousands of full text magazines & newspapers http://www.e-city.co.nz > -----Original Message----- > Topic No. 3 > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:59:12 -0400 > From: "S. O'Connor" <soconnr@interlog.com> > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Fwd: Remote customer authentication in public libraries > Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020709215753.01c11490@mail.interlog.com> > > >I am interested in finding out what public libraries are doing with > >regards to remote customer authentication for access to third-party > >commercial databases. > > > >Specifically, are there any libraries out there limiting remote access to > > >electronic resources only to library card holders in "good standing" with > > >the library? In other words, are patrons denied remote access if, for > >example, their library cards' priviledges have been suspended, have > >outstanding fines or have any other kind of blocks on their records? > > > >So far, I have only talked to libraries whose authentication system weeds > > >out remote users simply on the basis of them having a valid card or not. > > > >Thank you very much. > > > From ugur at cs.brown.edu Wed Jul 10 19:12:56 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: Federated Event 2002: Call for Case Study, Best Practice, and Industry Vision Reports Message-ID: <3D2CBF78.407EABBB@cs.brown.edu> Call for CASE STUDY, BEST PRACTICE and INDUSTRY VISION REPORTS ================================================================= COMMON INDUSTRY PROGRAM Federated event co-locating the three international conferences DOA'02: Distributed Objects and Applications ODBASE'02: Ontologies, Databases and Applied Semantics CoopIS'02: Cooperative Information Systems under the joint motto "On the Road towards More Meaningful Internet Systems" October 30 - November 1, Irvine, California Home Page: http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf The common Industry Program Board of the Federated Conferences Event is specifically soliciting reports on relevant case studies, intended to cover industry practice related to the subjects treated by these conferences, which straddle the intersection of distributed computing, databases, cooperative systems as their respective technologies and methodologies become applied in the context of the internet and semantic web. Selected case study reports will be presented in a separate Industry Program targeted at audiences interested in practical experience, best practices and corporate strategy related to all aspects of distributed internet- and intranet-based computing. These attendees will have a uniquely easy opportunity to access presentations in the scientific program as well as the keynote talks of all three conferences. The program committees of DOA'02, ODBASE'02 and CoopIS'02 meanwhile are proud to announce that more than 320 scientific papers have been submitted for review, selection and eventual presentation in the three Scientific Programs in Irvine. This selection process is currently under way and will result in approximately 75 papers for publication in the conference proceedings. We can be certain of a very high quality technical program that will be a correct and comprehensive representation of the state of the art! The following well-known speakers have already agreed to deliver a keynote address to the joint events: Michael Brodie, Verizon Christoph Bussler, Oracle Dieter Fensel, Free University of Amsterdam Several other equally representative candidate keynote speakers have been approached and will be announced in the coming weeks. The federated conferences aspire to be the prime defining event in combining distributed computing's infrastructure, tools and applications in organizations. Submission format and subject: All case study reports or vision papers must be electronically submitted, using the appropriate format and exclusively via the conference website: http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/industry/2002/papers/submit/. We envisage these will typically be 2-3 pages long, but should anyway be limited to 6 pages, and must be relevant to the conferences' subjects, and describe past, ongoing, or planned work in sufficient detail and context to allow discussion with a wider audience (no brochure material!) Submission Deadline: All submissions must be received by Monday September 2, 2002 midnight Pacific Time. This is a firm deadline. To be able to submit a text, a prior abstract must be filed on the above site by August 26, 2002 (this filing will issue a login and password for your final submission). Selection process: The Industry Program Board will inspect proposed contributions for their relevance and general interest to the intended audience. The availability of program slots is however limited. The resulting selection will be communicated to submitters by email by September 16 or 17 depending on time zone. Case Study Publication and Presentation: Selected case study and vision paper authors will be required to register for the conference and guarantee presentation of their submission for wide discussion (single Industry Program track, parallel only with the scientific program). Presented reports will be printed and distributed at the event. Negotiations are under way with an electronic journal publisher to publish a selection of "best papers" (as decided by the Irvine attendees) for wider distribution. Presenters will be responsible for production and distribution of their own presentation material (e.g. copies of PowerPoint slides) should they choose to do this. Industry Program Board: Robert Meersman (VU Brussels, Belgium) (co-Chair) Michael Brodie (Verizon Information Technology, USA) (co-Chair) ----------------------------- Rakesh Agrawal (IBM Almaden RC, USA) Jurgen Angele (ontoprise GmbH, Germany) Sean Baker (IONA, Ireland) Claudio Bartolini (HP Labs, USA) Christoph Bussler (Oracle Corporation, USA) Mike Carey (BEA Systems, USA) Roberto Cencioni (European Commission, Luxemburg) Werner Ceusters (Language&Computing, Belgium) Francesco Danza (KnowledgeStones SpA, Italy) John Davies (British Telecom, UK) Umeshwar Dayal (HP Labs, USA) Uwe Deppisch (Dresdner Bank, Germany) Pat Hallock (InConcept, USA) Terry Halpin (Microsoft, USA) Meichun Hsu (Commerce One, USA) Dean Jacobs (BEA Systems, USA) Ramesh Jain (Praja Inc, USA) Mario Jeckle (DaimlerChrysler AG, Germany) Vishu Krishnamurthy (Oracle Corporation, USA) Alain Leger (France Telecom, France) Frank Leymann (IBM Deutschland GmbH, Germany) Ashok Malhotra (Microsoft, USA) Tony Mejlaq (ComTel, Malta) Jim Miller (Microsoft, USA) Zhijing "George" Mou (Boeing, USA) Joerg Muller (Siemens, Germany) Anil Nori (Asera, USA) Andreas Persidis (Biovista Inc, Greece and USA) Francesco Pititto (Versant Italia, Italy) Ulrich Reimer (Swiss Life, Switzerland) Antonio Sanfilippo (SRA International, USA) Andrea Servida (European Commission, Belgium) David Sharp (Boeing, USA) Richard Mark Soley (OMG, USA) Stefan Tai (IBM, USA) Satish R. Thatte (Microsoft, USA) Joachim Thomas (UBS AG, Switzerland) Luk Vervenne (Synergetics, Belgium) Steve Vinoski (IONA, Ireland) Andrew Watson (OMG, USA) Arian Zwegers (BAAN, Netherlands) For further information, send all correspondence to: Prof Dr Robert A Meersman VUB STARLab, Dept of Computer Science Pleinlaan 2B-1050 Brussels Belgium email meersman@vub.ac.be fax +32 2 629 2535 From darganm at maple.iren.net Wed Jul 10 21:38:04 2002 From: darganm at maple.iren.net (Michael Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: E-Rate and POTS? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0207102032450.24294-100000@maple.iren.net> I'm researching an essay on E-Rate and public libraries and have a question: Many public libraries share a phone system with their municipal government and are not billed. I know that it's possible to figure out what portion of the city's bill is attributable to the library and then apply for and get the discount. Are there any public librarians on this list whose library is doing so? And, if so, what sorts of difficulties (e.g., SLD, city staff, etc.) have you encountered--if any. Please reply off the list and I'll compile answers and respond to anyone interested. Thanks --- Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 From info at galwaylibrary.ie Fri Jul 12 04:25:03 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: seeking good metalanguage for old photographs Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE87@galway-primary> Hi, We are about to place a collection of old black and white photographs on the web. The photographs will be retrieved by keyword search. The keywords will be stored in a database that will link the keyword to the photograph's filename. To compile the keywords, we are seeking a good metalanguage or 'controlled vocabulary' that is particulary suited to cataloguing photographs. Any help or advice would be much appreciated. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From lucrezia.herman at ntu.ac.uk Fri Jul 12 05:09:42 2002 From: lucrezia.herman at ntu.ac.uk (Herman, Lucrezia) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] drop-down menu query Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4305542A9F@lotus.ntu.ac.uk> Many thanks to all who responded to my query directly or via the list. We'll be looking at all the options as we revise our pages this summer. -Lucrezia -- Lucrezia Herman Project Officer - Electronic Library Development Library & Information Services The Nottingham Trent University lucrezia.herman@ntu.ac.uk Tel. (0115) 848-4628 This email is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, you must take no action on it or show a copy to anyone. Please reply to this email to highlight this error. Opinions and information in this email which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. -----Original Message----- From: Herman, Lucrezia [mailto:lucrezia.herman@ntu.ac.uk] Sent: 11 July 2002 12:54 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] drop-down menu query Hi, all- Our home page (http://www.ntu.ac.uk/lis/) includes 2 drop-down menus. The bottom box (Subject Portals) contains 16 entries which we would like to be visible without the need for scrolling once the down arrow has been clicked. Is this possible? Any code tweaks gratefully received! Thanks. -Lucrezia -- Lucrezia Herman Project Officer - Electronic Library Development Library & Information Services The Nottingham Trent University lucrezia.herman@ntu.ac.uk Tel. (0115) 848-4628 This email is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, you must take no action on it or show a copy to anyone. Please reply to this email to highlight this error. Opinions and information in this email which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. From zhang at wrlc.org Fri Jul 12 08:49:56 2002 From: zhang at wrlc.org (Allison Zhang) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] seeking good metalanguage for old photographs In-Reply-To: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE87@galway-primary> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020712084456.00b084f0@mail.wrlc.org> Thesaurus for Graphic Materials II: Genre and Physical Characteristic Terms (TGM II) at: http://www.loc.gov/lexico/servlet/lexico?usr=pub&op=sessioncheck&db=TGM_I&JServSessionIdpmeizone=wyqon0h51h and AAT at: http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/aat/index.html Allison Zhang Manager, Digital Collections Production Center Washington Research Library Consortium 901 Commerce Drive Upper Marlboro, MD 20774 Phone: 301-390-2049 Fax: 301-390-2020 Email: zhang@wrlc.org www.wrlc.org At 01:22 AM 07-12-2002 -0700, Info Galway Library wrote: >Hi, > >We are about to place a collection of old black and white photographs on the >web. The photographs will be retrieved by keyword search. The keywords will >be stored in a database that will link the keyword to the photograph's >filename. To compile the keywords, we are seeking a good metalanguage or >'controlled vocabulary' that is particulary suited to cataloguing >photographs. > >Any help or advice would be much appreciated. > >Regards >John Fitzgibbon > >Galway Public Library >Island House >Cathedral Square >Galway >Ireland > >http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > >Phone: 00 353 91 562471 >Fax: 00 353 91 565039 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From carver.50 at osu.edu Thu Jul 11 16:10:52 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711160650.012197f0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Hi All, We have this Column on The Wireless Future of Library Computing running at LISNews, by Karl Bridges. He says we are at the beginning of a major shift in the library computing paradigm, having already witnessed the movement from paper-based systems to mainframe computing and personal computing based on ever more sophisticated and powerful personal computers. Now we have begun to see the development of the use of portable laptop computing - first through the use of hard wired ports and, more recently, the use of wireless connectivity. The question then becomes whether the laptop becomes the final destination on this technological road. He says the answer, it seems, is no. Check it out here: http://www.lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20020710201057 ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Fri Jul 12 09:25:25 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711160650.012197f0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <003101c229a7$94eb6fd0$68601681@digilib> The answer (I the laptop the final destination?) is, most definitely, NO. As portable computing devices become more powerful, versatile, and connected the laptop form factor will give up ground to these newer devices. I particularly like the idea of a small, networked device that meets all of my portable computing and communication needs. The laptop form will still be used by those people who need the extra power it can provide. Presumeably there will be options to integrate voice communications into the same device, perhaps with a wireless (IR or otherwise) control module that will allow you to use the telephony features without having to open the laptop for use. The benefits for the rest of us? Look forward to more use of lower power, high performance chips similar to the Crusoe processors from Transmeta. The real "Killer App" for mobile computing is going to be low power demand / super long battery life. Migrate this technology into the desktop and server environment and you will see much quieter office workstations (fewer or no fans) and much lower costs to keep your server room cool. Keith D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> Case Western Reserve University Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Blake Carver Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 09:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Wireless Future of Library Computing Hi All, We have this Column on The Wireless Future of Library Computing running at LISNews, by Karl Bridges. He says we are at the beginning of a major shift in the library computing paradigm, having already witnessed the movement from paper-based systems to mainframe computing and personal computing based on ever more sophisticated and powerful personal computers. Now we have begun to see the development of the use of portable laptop computing - first through the use of hard wired ports and, more recently, the use of wireless connectivity. The question then becomes whether the laptop becomes the final destination on this technological road. He says the answer, it seems, is no. Check it out here: http://www.lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20020710201057 ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From carver.50 at osu.edu Fri Jul 12 09:38:15 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <003101c229a7$94eb6fd0$68601681@digilib> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711160650.012197f0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712093304.0124c428@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Keith Higgs wrote: >The benefits for the rest of us? Look forward to more use of lower >power, high performance chips similar to the Crusoe processors from >Transmeta. The real "Killer App" for mobile computing is going to be >low power demand / super long battery life. Migrate this technology >into the desktop and server environment and you will see much quieter >office workstations (fewer or no fans) and much lower costs to keep your >server room cool. Good points! And speaking of batteries, CNN ran a story long ago on how batteries are not keeping up. The CNN story seems to have vanished into the ether, but the Slashdot discussion remains: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/04/1153237&mode=flat&tid=126 If I recall the story correctly (warning, never trust my memory), it said something like if batteries kept up with computers (and Moore's law), they would have the power of a nuclear bomb, or something like that. ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries carver.50@osu.edu 247-7424 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 09:59:09 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351583C@mail1.morrisville.edu> Karl Bridge's article is right on the money. He understands the issues better than many involved in the recent LITA emerging technology forecasts. One of those people was quoted as to saying that there is no reason for anyone to search the OPAC on a web enabled cell phone. I have seen the interest in wireless computing in libraries increase greatly in the last year. Since August 2001 I have done 5 workshops on Wireless LANs for libraries. My most recent one was for the Nassau Library System out on Long Island. I am amazed at how many librarians "just don't get it." I was at a meeting yesterday where someone made a comment I wasn't supposed to hear saying she/he just couldn't understand why anyone uses a PDA. This was after I looked up some dates and other information on my Palm Pilot during the meeting. This librarian is 25 years younger than I am. That aside, Karl's comment about the laptop as a final destination as being NO is entirely correct. I actually believe there will not be a clear final destination for handheld or mobile computing for at least another decade. Karl's observations about laptops not being replaced by handheld computers is also entirely true. The laptop will replace the desktop for high end computing needs. It is already doing that on my campus and in our library. The section on how libraries can cope is excellent and should serve as a wakeup call. We do not have a policy in the SUNY Morrisville Library about the use of cell phones. We have policies about noise and ask laptop users or others listening to music to use headsets. Libraries also need to lobby with our systems vendors to make the OPAC web interface more user friendly for hand helds . We need to push OCLC into getting netLibrary books working on such portable devices. Currently the books can only be read through the web interface. Many librarians have played down the value of wireless computing in the library. To do so is very short sighted. Bill Drew The Wireless Librarian Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: http://www.bookcrossing.com/referral/BillDrew From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 10:23:10 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515840@mail1.morrisville.edu> I stand corrected on one small point. The person at the LITA session mentioned actually said he thought there would be few people searching the OPAC via a cell phone. I still stand by my comment about Karl Bridge's understanding the issues around wireless and mobile computing better than some of the LITA technology wonks. Bill Drew From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jul 12 10:31:14 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351583C@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207121017270.25711-100000@overlord.tln.org> One can hardly fault librarians if they won't jump right onto the "wireless is the future!" bandwagon. Anyone who's been around for more than a few years has seen their share of "this is the future!" claims only to see those claims fizzle or be radically adjusted to meet the realities of the technology. I remember when I first started working with technology in libraries and the big thing was CD-ROMs! We had to have networked CD-ROMs and as many as possible. The Internet as a public information resource was just starting to take off and the promise of easily accessible online databases was just that, a promise, not something that was readily available. Now, I have a handful of CD-ROMs available for resources that are still not easily accessible on the web or in a format that is better suited for a local resource. Everything else has gone to online databases. But in 1995, I was safe going with just CD-ROMs. Now, that doesn't mean that libraries shouldn't be looking at wireless technology and how we can provide services to wireless users, whether it be laptops, handhelds, or other portable devices. I agree with many points in the article. But the reality is that there still isn't a lot of compelling features and services available for libraries. Maybe this the old "chicken and egg" dilemma where we don't get these services if we don't demand them but we don't demand them if we can't test and see their value. I don't think librarians and techs are oblivious to the value of wireless technology. I know a number of my fellow techs are working on wireless projects, many funded through LSTA grants, so someone must be seeing a value in these efforts. But I think as a whole, we tend to like to see what we are buying. With the limited resources that all of us work with, we simply can't afford to jump on the latest technology that comes down the pike. E-books anyone? Having said that, I'm glad that people like Bill Drew are out there pushing the technology and its use in libraries forward. Someone has to be out there on the edge and that's how progress will happen. If wireless technology and delivery of information pans out, the rest will follow. It won't happen overnight but I have no doubt that in the long-term, libraries will have played a role in making that happen. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 11:15:06 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> Andrew Mutch makes some good points about jumping on the bandwagon early. There is a whole literature out there that talks about early adopters and the hazards and pitfalls of being one. But, that same literature also talks about the rewards. Given that, WLAN technologies and other wireless technologies are actually more mature than most people realize. The costs can be lower than running wire to every station. The benefits are tremendous as well. Here are benefits I put forth in my workshops. Note that these are benefits (for the most part) from just the staff using wireless: Flexible configuration of rooms using laptops. Allow users to bring in their own wireless devices. Can be cheaper than wired. Fast installation. Greater productivity and service. U.S. - twice as many wireless devices as PCs (Forrester Research). Access networked resources at meetings. Extend virtual reference desk to all users . Allow myLibrary service users to keep their myLibrary on their own device. Enhance experience of users in study groups. Provide printing from anywhere in the library. Place computers where needed not just where there is wire. Web based camera to send video back over network for security. Wireless devices for OPAC queries and other access. Bar coding and other scanning (shelf reading, inventory). Allow reference staff to roam with access to network and library resources. Circulate laptops / PDAs with wireless. These benefits are from actual experiences in many different libraries. This is a good discussion, lets keep it going. Bill Drew From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 11:23:12 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515842@mail1.morrisville.edu> Another benefit of jumping on the bandwagon early is you get to pick your seat and your instrument. Bill Drew From dmarmion at nd.edu Fri Jul 12 11:17:36 2002 From: dmarmion at nd.edu (Dan Marmion) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207121017270.25711-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <3D2EF310.8919608@nd.edu> I agree with Andrew that it's good we have people like Bill Drew pusing the envelope, but I need to take Bill to task just a little bit. The session he referred to was the Top Technology Trends session that LITA sponsors every ALA Annual. For those of you who haven't attended one, a group of fairly well-known people who spend much of their time working with and thinking about information technology in libraries talk briefly about topics of their choice. In general, the idea is to give the audience their insights as to what we should be paying attention to and what we can wait a little while and see what develops. At this particular session, one of the speakers (I'll let him identify himself if he so chooses) talked about, among other things, the convenience of wireless and how it has potential to take on much greater importance in libraries. But, he added, he didn't see the ability to search an OPAC via a cell phone as something that would appeal to a large number of people. Now, is that proof that the LITA experts fail to understand wireless? I don't think so. Dan Marmion -- Daniel Keith Marmion email: dmarmion@nd.edu Assoc. Dir. for Information Systems and Digital Access University Libraries of Notre Dame http://lib.nd.edu 221 Hesburgh Library, Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-5629 voice: (574) 631-3811 fax: (574) 631-6772 Editor: _Information Technology and Libraries_ (LITA) From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 11:28:30 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515843@mail1.morrisville.edu> and maybe even pick the tune! Bill Drew From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jul 12 11:22:37 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207121114360.5925-100000@overlord.tln.org> In the interest of full debate, I'll point out some of the downsides that we have run into just with our limited wireless experience: * Limited range versus wired installation * Limited bandwidth: This has particularly been a problem with the CD-ROM applications that we still use in-house. They simply didn't work with wireless as they demanded more bandwidth than the connection could provide, even at close range. * Security considerations * Need for multiple access points to provide adequate coverage * Making PCs wireless requires extra network adapter and wireless card Having said that, I've generally been pleased with how wireless has worked on the PCs that we are using it on. Also, like Bill mentioned, our wireless laptop/projector combo allows us to access network resources even in locations, like our conference room. that are not currently wired. We will also be looking seriously at incorporating some level of wireless infrastructure when we do our expansion next year. I've found that wireless has worked best with those web-based resources that don't demand a lot of bandwidth, like online resources and the OPAC. Before we get too far afield, we might want to keep this focuses on wireless as it relates to web resources in the library, lest we force Roy to remind us of the focus of the list. :) Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From bob at esrl.lib.md.us Fri Jul 12 11:28:23 2002 From: bob at esrl.lib.md.us (bob@esrl.lib.md.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0207121126090.21369-100000@westie.esrl.lib.md.us> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: <snip> > Here are benefits I put forth in my workshops. Note that these are > benefits (for the most part) from just the staff using wireless: > > Flexible configuration of rooms using laptops. > Allow users to bring in their own wireless devices. > Can be cheaper than wired. > Fast installation. > Greater productivity and service. > U.S. - twice as many wireless devices as PCs (Forrester Research). > Access networked resources at meetings. > Extend virtual reference desk to all users . > Allow myLibrary service users to keep their myLibrary on their own device. > Enhance experience of users in study groups. > Provide printing from anywhere in the library. > Place computers where needed not just where there is wire. > Web based camera to send video back over network for security. > Wireless devices for OPAC queries and other access. > Bar coding and other scanning (shelf reading, inventory). > Allow reference staff to roam with access to network and library resources. > Circulate laptops / PDAs with wireless. How do you secure all of this? Are you using a wireless gateway with encryption and authentication? A home-grown solution? -- Bob Long, Eastern Shore Regional Library Senior Systems Technician 410 479 0776 (v) 410 548 5807 (f) From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 11:43:12 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515845@mail1.morrisville.edu> On our campus all NIC (network interface cards) addresses must be registered. IP addresses are then assigned on the fly to "authorized" NIC addresses. All users must login to the network and be authenticated via normal network logins, same as the wired connections. Bill Drew From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jul 12 11:43:57 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <3D2EF310.8919608@nd.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712113536.02549ee8@ohiolink.edu> At 11:26 AM 7/12/2002, Dan Marmion wrote: >At this particular session, one of the speakers (I'll let him identify >himself if he so chooses) talked about, among other things, the convenience >of wireless and how it has potential to take on much greater importance in >libraries. But, he added, he didn't see the ability to search an OPAC via >a cell phone as something that would appeal to a large number of people. The speaker you're thinking of mentioned his "wireless epiphany" -- which I believe is an IM from an archangel. I believe it was two other people who A) brought up web-enabled cell phones and/or PDAs and B) made the comment about searching the OPAC on a cell phone. As much respect as I have for all the speakers, I wish someone had mentioned this: if you're even trying to search the OPAC on a cell phone, it's a pretty good indication that you have no other access available at that time, and if it won't work you're well and truly stuck. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 11:56:13 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515846@mail1.morrisville.edu> Andrew's concerns are valid and I have no arguments with them. I do feel that the value of wireless does out way the negatives. I do mention the downsides in my workshops. Wireless does work best for accessing web based resources depending on which standard your wireless technology is based on. Here are different potential bandwidths for various standards (IEEE): 802.11 - 2 MB/sec range of 600 feet 802.11b - 11 MB/sec range of 300 feet 802.11a - 40 MB/sec range of 50 to 300 feet 802.15 (blue tooth) - less than 1 MB/sec range less than 30 feet 802.15 (high rate) - over 20 MB/sec don't know range. There are other new technologies on the horizon with potential bandwidths close to 100 MB/sec. Bill Drew From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 12:03:20 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515847@mail1.morrisville.edu> Maybe my comment was a little too strong. I tend to look at comments on potential user behaviors with a jaded eye. My question to him would be, how many users did you ask? I read the discussion every year that results from the LITA forum. It can be very useful. My comment was limited to wireless and was based on a very badly written summary of the discussion at the forum. My apologies for basing my observations on third hand information. Crow does not taste very good but we must all eat it at times. Does anyone have a URL to the actual text of the discussions? Bill Drew From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Fri Jul 12 12:06:16 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515845@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <003801c229be$0d902230$e84ae980@usask.ca> > On our campus all NIC (network interface cards) addresses must be > registered. IP addresses are then assigned on the fly to "authorized" NIC > addresses. All users must login to the network and be authenticated via > normal network logins, same as the wired connections. > > Bill Drew That doesn't mean that any of it is secure. Unless there is some form of encryption used, anyone could walk in off the street and sniff your network traffic (for passwords, patron information, sensitive data etc). I won't pretend to know all that much about wireless technology (I'm a systems geek, not a network geek) but our campus chose Cisco hardware (including client network adapters) for our wireless because (our networks geeks tell me) they use LEAP (some sort of encrypted authentication and transmission standard). The network cards are quite a bit more money than almost any other wireless cards however. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 12:19:05 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515849@mail1.morrisville.edu> Very TRUE!! You must pick a technology and a vendor that provides encryption of the data. There are also new IEEE standards being worked on (802.11i). According to ZDnet Tech Update it will be available in off the shelf technology later this year. Bill Drew > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Friesen [mailto:Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing > That doesn't mean that any of it is secure. Unless there is > some form of > encryption used, anyone could walk in off the street and > sniff your network > traffic (for passwords, patron information, sensitive data etc). > From gerrymck at iastate.edu Fri Jul 12 12:28:11 2002 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: ENCompass Libraries Message-ID: <sd2ebd54.099@129.186.11.21> ENCompass Libraries I am greatly interested in learning about libraries that have installed and implemented the ENCompass portal system from Endeavor [ http://encompass.endinfosys.com/ ] Some libraries are listed from the product site, but I am not able to determine if ENCompass has become operational when I visit the named libraries [It could be my Friday Morning Fog] [:-(] Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Foggy Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From suekamm at mindspring.com Fri Jul 12 13:23:18 2002 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1026494598.0.70866000@webmail.atl.earthlink.net> One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell phones to make and receive phone calls in the library. This public librarian would LOVE to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must speak loudly in order to be heard by the person they're talking to. Perhaps the tech wizards can find a solution that jams voice transmissions but allowes digitized data to be accessed. Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Fernando Valenzuela has pitched a no-hitter. If you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky!" --Vin Scully, June 29, 1990 From hill2 at students.uiuc.edu Fri Jul 12 13:25:42 2002 From: hill2 at students.uiuc.edu (James Hill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0207121158450.12751-100000@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu> I recently started learning about Wirless networks and don't presume to know much about them, so forgive me if I err in this, but from what I've seen and read, aren't WLANs much more expensive not cheaper? I mean, a regular Ethernet NIC can go for about $15-20, but a wirless one can be about 4 times as much (for PCs). Routers and hubs are also quite a bit pricier in wireless form. Are you looking at it cutting costs in other ways? --- James Hill Graduate Assistant University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Ricker Library of Architecture and Art (217) 333-0224 On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > Given that, WLAN technologies and other wireless technologies are actually > more mature than most people realize. The costs can be lower than running > wire to every station. The benefits are tremendous as well. Here are > benefits I put forth in my workshops. Note that these are benefits (for the > most part) from just the staff using wireless: From sgarwood at infolink.org Fri Jul 12 13:38:48 2002 From: sgarwood at infolink.org (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <01C229A9.74623440.sgarwood@infolink.org> Just an article I saw the other day that I thought might be of interest... Mobile phones blocked by magnetic wooden panels http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Jul/gee20020701015214.htm Steve ***************************************************************************** Steve Garwood Program and Services Coordinator, INFOLINK Tel: 732-752-7720 Fax: 732-752-7785 Toll free: 866-505-LINK Fax: 800-793-8007 Email to: sgarwood@infolink.org Web: http://www.infolink.org ***************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Sue Kamm [SMTP:suekamm@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell phones to make and receive phone calls in the library. This public librarian would LOVE to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must speak loudly in order to be heard by the person they're talking to. Perhaps the tech wizards can find a solution that jams voice transmissions but allowes digitized data to be accessed. Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Fernando Valenzuela has pitched a no-hitter. If you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky!" --Vin Scully, June 29, 1990 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jul 12 13:49:26 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351584C@mail1.morrisville.edu> Wireless cards can be found for as little as $50 if you buy in volume. Radio Shack sells a Lnksys card for $89 for the pcmia slot. Even Wal-Mart sells wireless kits for home use. Bill Drew From euan.morton at xrxgsn.com Fri Jul 12 13:49:16 2002 From: euan.morton at xrxgsn.com (Euan Morton) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <01C229A9.74623440.sgarwood@infolink.org> Message-ID: <OIEAICEIMMPIEKHFOAFGGEFCDAAA.euan.morton@xrxgsn.com> Has anyone tried this: http://www.interface.com/Products/Cone/get_smart.htm or maybe this would work: http://www.cinerhama.com/getsmart/innovations.html ;-) Sl?inte Euan Morton, CIBER @ Xerox Web Developer, Xerox Global Service Net http://www.ciber-roch.com/ ICQ: 104325610 - http://home.rochester.rr.com/acode/ Astronomicon '02, Rochester's own SF convention, Nov 1-3, 2002 http://www.rochesterfantasyfans.org/conpage.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Steve Garwood > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing > > > Just an article I saw the other day that I thought might be of interest... > Mobile phones blocked by magnetic wooden panels > > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Jul/gee20020701015214.htm > > Steve > > ****************************************************************** > *********** > Steve Garwood > Program and Services Coordinator, INFOLINK > Tel: 732-752-7720 Fax: 732-752-7785 > Toll free: 866-505-LINK Fax: 800-793-8007 > Email to: sgarwood@infolink.org > Web: http://www.infolink.org > ****************************************************************** > *********** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Kamm [SMTP:suekamm@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing > > One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell > phones to > make and receive phone calls in the library. This public > librarian would LOVE > to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the > facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must > speak loudly in > order to be heard by the person they're talking to. > > Perhaps the tech wizards can find a solution that jams voice > transmissions > but allowes digitized data to be accessed. > > Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, > Sue Kamm > Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 > Visit my home page: > http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm > email: suekamm@mindspring.com > "Fernando Valenzuela has pitched a no-hitter. If you have a > sombrero, throw it to the sky!" > --Vin Scully, June 29, 1990 > > From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Fri Jul 12 13:52:00 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <Springmail.0994.1026494598.0.70866000@webmail.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c229cc$d306f170$68601681@digilib> There is such a device. It's called a tazer (a.k.a stun gun). While we're on that, I stumbled across this article: "Tazer-toting monkeys invade library" http://www.uwsp.edu/stuorg/pointer/news/issue10,2002/tazer.htm D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> Case Western Reserve University Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sue Kamm Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 01:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell phones to make and receive phone calls in the library. This public librarian would LOVE to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must speak loudly in order to be heard by the person they're talking to. Perhaps the tech wizards can find a solution that jams voice transmissions but allowes digitized data to be accessed. Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Fernando Valenzuela has pitched a no-hitter. If you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky!" --Vin Scully, June 29, 1990 From jbarrentine at ipa.net Fri Jul 12 15:40:54 2002 From: jbarrentine at ipa.net (Jim Barrentine) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: Blocking Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <Springmail.0994.1026494598.0.70866000@webmail.atl.earthlin k.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020712153730.011dbd08@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 10:25 AM 07/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: >One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell phones to >make and receive phone calls in the library. This public librarian would LOVE >to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the >facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must speak loudly in >order to be heard by the person they're talking to. Such devices do exist, however they are illegal in the US. Countries such as Japan and Germany (I think) allow them in places like symphony halls. In the US you can do anything you want to passively block the signals, but any sort of active device is an FCC no no. James K. Barrentine Information Partners, Inc. Technology & Management Solutions for Libraries 11470 Euclid Avenue, #404 Cleveland, OH 44106-3926 216-371-2415 (voice) 216-932-4980 (fax) From kyle.banerjee at state.or.us Fri Jul 12 16:33:07 2002 From: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us (Kyle Banerjee) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Blocking Cell Phones References: <4.2.2.20020712153730.011dbd08@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <012901c229e3$54ec9120$207a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> > >One problem that needs to be addressed is the public's using cell phones to > >make and receive phone calls in the library. This public librarian would LOVE > >to have a device that would prevent people from using cell phones in the > >facility. It also seems that cell phone users feel they must speak loudly in > >order to be heard by the person they're talking to. > > Such devices do exist, however they are illegal in the US. Even if not illegal, implementing something like this could have undesirable side effects such as disabling other wireless functions, interfering with operation of medical devices, or preventing emergency communications. Maybe an easier way to deal with this is to have a designated place for people to call from. My guess is that most people would be happy to go to the designated area to make calls. To make these areas even more attractive, mini telephone booths (not fully enclosed, just a box-like enclosure to talk into as is often done with payphones) could be provided. This would be dirt cheap and keep people who need to call someone for a ride (or just want to yak) and the reading public separate. kyle *********************************************** Kyle Banerjee Oregon State Library 250 Winter ST Salem, OR 97310-0640 (503)378-4243 ext. 260 kyle.banerjee@state.or.us From euan.morton at xrxgsn.com Fri Jul 12 16:51:57 2002 From: euan.morton at xrxgsn.com (Euan Morton) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <003801c229be$0d902230$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <OIEAICEIMMPIEKHFOAFGAEFLDAAA.euan.morton@xrxgsn.com> Another reason for food not to be allowed in the library: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1860000/1860241.stm Sl?inte Euan Morton, CIBER @ Xerox Web Developer, Xerox Global Service Net http://www.ciber-roch.com/ ICQ: 104325610 - http://home.rochester.rr.com/acode/ Astronomicon '02, Rochester's own SF convention, Nov 1-3, 2002 http://www.rochesterfantasyfans.org/conpage.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Darryl Friesen > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing > > > > On our campus all NIC (network interface cards) addresses must be > > registered. IP addresses are then assigned on the fly to > "authorized" NIC > > addresses. All users must login to the network and be authenticated via > > normal network logins, same as the wired connections. > > > > Bill Drew > > That doesn't mean that any of it is secure. Unless there is some form of > encryption used, anyone could walk in off the street and sniff > your network > traffic (for passwords, patron information, sensitive data etc). > > I won't pretend to know all that much about wireless technology (I'm a > systems geek, not a network geek) but our campus chose Cisco hardware > (including client network adapters) for our wireless because (our networks > geeks tell me) they use LEAP (some sort of encrypted authentication and > transmission standard). The network cards are quite a bit more money than > almost any other wireless cards however. > > > - Darryl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ > Information Technology Services Division, > University of Saskatchewan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" > > From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Fri Jul 12 17:00:24 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712113536.02549ee8@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <62E670AF-95DA-11D6-8EBB-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> As the person to whom Thomas refers below (of "wireless epiphany" notoriety), I feel it necessary to say that my silence on this topic hasn't come from my unwillingness to own my comments, but rather from the responsibilities pertaining to a pesky little thing called my Day Job. By now I have a number of things to say, so I'll get to it. Wireless is indeed an interesting technology, but as has been mentioned in this forum already there is much to know about it -- first and foremost the security issue. The mere fact that I could jack into someone's wireless network from a moving bus and send and receive email should give anyone pause who doesn't want people doing that. And as Darryl said, even being an authenticated user is no guarantee that your bits are secure when flying through the air for anyone to grab. But at least one thing is beyond debate -- wireless networks are increasingly a part of library environments, particularly in the academic sector. Therefore, it behooves us to know a good deal about them, and about the appropriate delivery of services to wireless devices of all kinds. I happen to agree with both Thomases (Dowling and Wilson) that probably very few people will want to search the library catalog from a cell phone (Wilson), but that should it be the only way possible in a given situation it is better than nothing (Dowling). And it's our responsibility to know what they will see when they do so. Having burned myself before by making over-enthusiastic predictions (see http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9511/0211.html if you need persuading), I would not say that wireless will transform anything except for the user experience of those using it. That is, it is just downright cool to be sitting, standing, or lying down wherever you want to be and be connected to the Internet. I frequently find occasion to be out back by the pool, or lying on the couch, or sitting in a public park, and being completely connected while doing so is simply a _really_neat _thing_. Sure, libraries will need to consider what their services will look and act like when used on PDAs, cell phones, and the like, and will also need to decide if they want to offer wireless connectivity in their buildings, but these are relatively straightforward questions that do not substantively change what libraries are about. It is, in fact, simply an extension of service in a logical and incremental way, and therefore should be relatively free of controversy. One might almost say a "no brainer", but then far be it from me to make you think of that phrase in association with one of my postings -- you may make an association that I would find unflattering. Roy On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 08:54 AM, Thomas Dowling wrote: > At 11:26 AM 7/12/2002, Dan Marmion wrote: > >> At this particular session, one of the speakers (I'll let him identify >> himself if he so chooses) talked about, among other things, the >> convenience >> of wireless and how it has potential to take on much greater >> importance in >> libraries. But, he added, he didn't see the ability to search an OPAC >> via >> a cell phone as something that would appeal to a large number of >> people. > > The speaker you're thinking of mentioned his "wireless epiphany" -- > which I > believe is an IM from an archangel. I believe it was two other people > who > A) brought up web-enabled cell phones and/or PDAs and B) made the > comment > about searching the OPAC on a cell phone. As much respect as I have for > all the speakers, I wish someone had mentioned this: if you're even > trying > to search the OPAC on a cell phone, it's a pretty good indication that > you > have no other access available at that time, and if it won't work you're > well and truly stuck. > > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > > From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Fri Jul 12 17:26:21 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712113536.02549ee8@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3D2F497D.1A93A432@students.uiuc.edu> The truth is, we don't have a good OPAC interface for any machine, much less a small handheld device ... a great area for potential collaboration between practitioners and theorists ... Joyce Thomas Dowling wrote: > > At 11:26 AM 7/12/2002, Dan Marmion wrote: > > >At this particular session, one of the speakers (I'll let him identify > >himself if he so chooses) talked about, among other things, the convenience > >of wireless and how it has potential to take on much greater importance in > >libraries. But, he added, he didn't see the ability to search an OPAC via > >a cell phone as something that would appeal to a large number of people. > > The speaker you're thinking of mentioned his "wireless epiphany" -- which I > believe is an IM from an archangel. I believe it was two other people who > A) brought up web-enabled cell phones and/or PDAs and B) made the comment > about searching the OPAC on a cell phone. As much respect as I have for > all the speakers, I wish someone had mentioned this: if you're even trying > to search the OPAC on a cell phone, it's a pretty good indication that you > have no other access available at that time, and if it won't work you're > well and truly stuck. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Jul 15 08:10:04 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jul 15 Message-ID: <200207151210.g6FCA4N06520@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS July 15, 2002 [Note: I am not the Web4Lib listowner. 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If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From lislemck at netscape.net Mon Jul 15 09:30:35 2002 From: lislemck at netscape.net (Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) Message-ID: <71A1E79D.600088FA.00A08978@netscape.net> Oh blast from the past. Sneakernet is when you save data to a floppy (5-1/4", please!), then walk across the office/building/campus in your sneakers to another computer where you retrieve the data! I think it's still the most reliable of networks, though support is shoddy (tee hee). OK, that's enough silliness this Monday morning in Philadelphia. web4lib@webjunction.org wrote: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WEB4LIB Digest 2685 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > ?1) help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) > ? ?by "janis leird" <j.leird@worldnet.att.net> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Topic No. 1 > >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:33:43 -0400 >From: "janis leird" <j.leird@worldnet.att.net> >To: <web4lib@webjunction.org> >Subject: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) >Message-ID: <001501c22b2a$503d2340$b1a95a0c@mycomput> > >Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? > > > >------------------------------ > >End of WEB4LIB Digest 2685 >************************** > -- Elizabeth J. McKenty Library Coordinator The Office of Public Service Support Free Library of Philadelphia mckentye@excen.library.phila.gov lislemck@netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Mon Jul 15 09:40:14 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAEE4@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> NEVER - 'enough silliness' No one ever started a war - being silly (foolish yes - silly no) -- It's the 'sane' 'sober' 'serious' people that scare me. PHG > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle [mailto:lislemck@netscape.net] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) > > > Oh blast from the past. Sneakernet is when you save data to a > floppy (5-1/4", please!), then walk across the > office/building/campus in your sneakers to another computer > where you retrieve the data! I think it's still the most > reliable of networks, though support is shoddy (tee hee). OK, > that's enough silliness this Monday morning in Philadelphia. > > web4lib@webjunction.org wrote: > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WEB4LIB Digest 2685 > > > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > > > ?1) help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) > > ? ?by "janis leird" <j.leird@worldnet.att.net> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > >Topic No. 1 > > > >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:33:43 -0400 > >From: "janis leird" <j.leird@worldnet.att.net> > >To: <web4lib@webjunction.org> > >Subject: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) > >Message-ID: <001501c22b2a$503d2340$b1a95a0c@mycomput> > > > >Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >End of WEB4LIB Digest 2685 > >************************** > > > > > -- > Elizabeth J. McKenty > Library Coordinator > The Office of Public Service Support > Free Library of Philadelphia > mckentye@excen.library.phila.gov > lislemck@netscape.net > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift > ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with > Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From Reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za Mon Jul 15 08:26:26 2002 From: Reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za (Yvonne Reynolds) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: Using Groupwise DMS for intranet Message-ID: <sd32dba5.053@NBICT> Hello, We are in the initial stages of planning an intranet. WE already use Groupwise on Novell for email and are considering using the Groupwise document management system for handling the documents in the intranet. Does anyone have experience of this product? Is it suited to intranet design? Any comments would be most welcome. Many thanks, Yvonne The NBI accepts no liability for unauthorized use of its e-mail facility nor for corrupted or virus-infected messages. From king at julip.fcgov.com Mon Jul 15 09:48:44 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020714121823.0251ecf0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207150747030.22044-100000@julip.fcgov.com> All, I've heard that I should disable the floppy drive many times and I know of all the reasons why.... But: has anyone ever *experienced* any foul play with the floppy drives in their library? I'd like to hear of real life situations and not just scenarios. Thanks in advance, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Andro [iso-8859-1] Gagné wrote: > Janis: > > At 04:34 AM 7/14/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? > > "Sneaker-net" is humorous geek-speak referring to the way people > share files between two computers when the computers are not connected to > each other through a computer network: copying files to a removable > storage medium--usually a floppy disk--on the first computer, then removing > the removable medium from the first computer, taking it over to a second > computer, and inserting it into the second computer, thus making one's > footwear the "network" connection between the two computers. I haven't > heard "Adidas-net" used before, but it's not too difficult to see that it > must be a synonym, since Adidas is a brand name of athletic > shoes. Sneaker-net could be an issue in libraries accessible to the public > if their computers' diskette drives--or other removable storage media--are > not disabled for public use by a security program, as invariably some > library users will be exchanging files between a library computer and a > computer not owned by the library. Sometimes this is done for reasons we > would all consider legitimate, and sometimes it's done for less-than-noble > reasons. Either way, sneaker-net use can lead to inadvertent or deliberate > viral infection of a library computer (potentially multiple computers, > since sneaker-net can be used between library computers, also since most > library computers are networked), and it provides an entrée into a library > computer (and potentially a library network) for those who believe they > have a better or more entertaining way to use a library computer and/or > network than what was envisioned by the library's staff. Ultimately, > sneaker-net makes it necessary for libraries which are accessible to the > public to consider how they need to balance user convenience (keeping > computers' removable media functioning for users) against the library's > need to keep its computers functioning properly for all users all of the time. > > Best regards, > > Andro Gagné > > From dbosman at mail.lib.msu.edu Mon Jul 15 09:52:31 2002 From: dbosman at mail.lib.msu.edu (Bosman, Don) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Chilling article about "trusted computing". Could shut down electronic libraries. Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1ECC495BA@MAINLIB8.lib.msu.edu> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html Don Bosman Information Technologist Michigan State University Libraries 517-353-8586 dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Jul 15 09:52:34 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAEE4@netc020.ALL.DISTTCC D.NET> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715095115.00ae87d8@ohiolink.edu> At 09:42 AM 7/15/2002, GRAY, PAUL wrote: >NEVER - 'enough silliness' >No one ever started a war - being silly (foolish yes - silly no) -- >It's the 'sane' 'sober' 'serious' people that scare me. >PHG Well then, the authoritative silly reference on the topic: sneakernet /snee'ker-net/ n. Term used (generally with ironic intent) for transfer of electronic information by physically carrying tape, disks, or some other media from one machine to another. "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with magtape, or a 747 filled with CD-ROMs." Also called `Tennis-Net', `Armpit-Net', `Floppy-Net' or `Shoenet'; in the 1990s, `Nike network' after a well-known sneaker brand. <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/sneakernet.html> Thomas Dowling Bong (Slightly Silly) OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mmcevoy at tln.lib.mi.us Mon Jul 15 10:01:08 2002 From: mmcevoy at tln.lib.mi.us (Michael L. McEvoy) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207150747030.22044-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207150955040.27882-100000@overlord.tln.org> Yes. As a tech for a library cooperative, on numerous occasions I have seen floppy drives used to manipulate and hack into public workstations. This is why I recommend using floppy drive locks on any public exposed system. In one case, a clever user used a floppy to log in and create a "boot" file that was designed to delete the hard drive (simple stuff... add a line to the autoexec.bat file that says "del c:\*.*"). Fortunately, the clever student forgot the colon (:) and the command didn't run. In another case, a patron used a floppy disc to download a program which replaced the default Windows starup screen with an obscene image. He then used this floppy disc to spread the obscene start up image to all computers. Theer are numerous ways the "sneaker net" can be exploited... and the stuff I've listed above are only minor exploits. Any public network system should have floppy locks and cd-rom locks on them, IMHO. On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Jacque King wrote: > All, > I've heard that I should disable the floppy drive many times and I know > of all the reasons why.... > > But: has anyone ever *experienced* any foul play with the floppy drives > in their library? I'd like to hear of real life situations and not just > scenarios. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jacque King > Library Technical Support Specialist > Fort Collins Public Library > 201 Peterson Street > Fort Collins, CO 80524 > (970) 221-6716 > king@julip.fcgov.com > > > On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Andro [iso-8859-1] Gagn? wrote: > > > Janis: > > > > At 04:34 AM 7/14/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? > > > > "Sneaker-net" is humorous geek-speak referring to the way people > > share files between two computers when the computers are not connected to > > each other through a computer network: copying files to a removable > > storage medium--usually a floppy disk--on the first computer, then removing > > the removable medium from the first computer, taking it over to a second > > computer, and inserting it into the second computer, thus making one's > > footwear the "network" connection between the two computers. I haven't > > heard "Adidas-net" used before, but it's not too difficult to see that it > > must be a synonym, since Adidas is a brand name of athletic > > shoes. Sneaker-net could be an issue in libraries accessible to the public > > if their computers' diskette drives--or other removable storage media--are > > not disabled for public use by a security program, as invariably some > > library users will be exchanging files between a library computer and a > > computer not owned by the library. Sometimes this is done for reasons we > > would all consider legitimate, and sometimes it's done for less-than-noble > > reasons. Either way, sneaker-net use can lead to inadvertent or deliberate > > viral infection of a library computer (potentially multiple computers, > > since sneaker-net can be used between library computers, also since most > > library computers are networked), and it provides an entr?e into a library > > computer (and potentially a library network) for those who believe they > > have a better or more entertaining way to use a library computer and/or > > network than what was envisioned by the library's staff. Ultimately, > > sneaker-net makes it necessary for libraries which are accessible to the > > public to consider how they need to balance user convenience (keeping > > computers' removable media functioning for users) against the library's > > need to keep its computers functioning properly for all users all of the time. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Andro Gagn? > > > > > > +---------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Michael L. McEvoy | Northville District Library | | Electroic Suppoprt Services | http://www.northville.lib.mi.us | | e-mail: mmcevoy@tln.lib.mi.us | 212 W. Cady St | | Chair, TLN Technology Committee | Northville, MI 48167 | | http://tech.tln.lib.mi.us +---------------------------------+ | icq: 4607376 |If it was so, it might be, and if | MSN: mcspoo@hotmail.com |it were so, it would be, but as it | \\|// \\|// |isn't, it ain't! That's Logic. | [.] [.] (o o) |- L. Carroll +-oOOo--(_)--oOOo---oOOo-(_)-oOOo-+ "I'm actually a Knight of the ergonomic table - It's like the round table, only more comfortable to sit at." From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Mon Jul 15 10:34:18 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Chilling article about "trusted computing". Could shut down electronic libraries. Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F46625B3CC@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> Chilling is correct -- And actually the idea (read that concept) goes back a lot further than that - At least to AD 80-90 or so and a Jewish gentleman assumed to be named John -- Who spoke of an era in which you could neither buy nor sell (nor read, nor write nor play ??? ) anything that was not approved by the centralized government as controlled and certified by a mark applied by the government and accepted by every individual. Or at the VERY least to 1948 and H.G. Wells' story of life in 1984 where all communication was monitored and censored -- and even altered -- by the central authority. The onlty thing new about any of this is the technology to implement it. Anyone who knows me or has even read my postings - knows 1 - I am a STRONG proponent of the government's rights -- under appropriate checks and balances -- to gather information. 2 - I am just as strong an advocate of the right of copyright holders to enforce their rights and require people to pay appropriately for use of their product. If anyone wondered if there was ever a place I would draw the line -- THIS is it -- I'm NOT a conspiracy nut - and I do NOT see a communist - or a facist - or whatever the demon of the week is behind every tree. But the idea of everything everyone reads, writes, listens to ad infinitum being filtered through a central government or corporate system with the power to monitor modify or destroy -- that is NOT my idea of a pleasant world. All that possible hyperbole aside -- am I the only one old enough to remember why we fell in love with the PERSONAL computer to start with ?? OK -- getting off my soapbox and looking for some silliness to escape into. PHG (ideas are my own not those of my employer etc etc etc) >. . . >. . .7. Where did the idea come from? >It first appeared in a paper by Bill Arbaugh, Dave Farber and Jonathan Smith, ``A Secure and > Reliable Bootstrap Architecture'', in the proceedings of the IEEE Symposium on Security and > Privacy (1997) pp 65-71. It led to a US patent: ``Secure and Reliable Bootstrap Architecture'', > U.S. Patent No. 6,185,678, February 6th, 2001. Bill's thinking developed from work he did while > working for the NSA on code signing in 1994. The Microsoft folk have also applied for patent > protection on the operating system aspects. (The patent texts are here andhere.) >. . . > -----Original Message----- > From: Bosman, Don [mailto:dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:58 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Chilling article about "trusted computing". Could > shut down electronic libraries. > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html > > Don Bosman > Information Technologist > Michigan State University Libraries > 517-353-8586 > dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu > > > From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Mon Jul 15 11:06:44 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] RE: Chilling article about -- mistyped reply Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAEE9@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> YES it was -- which my brain knew -- but failed to relay to my fingers due to insufficient caffiene. THANKS PHG -----Original Message----- From: William Barnes [mailto:wbarnes@bloomu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:57 AM To: GRAY, PAUL Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Chilling article about "trusted computing".Could shut down electronic libraries. "1984" was written by George Orwell. Thanks! --Bill ******************************************* * Bill Barnes, RHCE, CCNA, CNA, MCP, A+ * Library Network Administrator * Harvey A. Andruss Library * Bloomsburg University * ph: 570-389-2813 * e-mail: wbarnes@bloomu.edu ******************************************* >>> "GRAY, PAUL" <PAUL.GRAY@tccd.net> 07/15/02 10:39AM >>> Or at the VERY least to 1948 and H.G. Wells' story of life in 1984 where all communication was monitored and censored -- and even altered -- by the central authority. From treed at clearwater-fl.com Mon Jul 15 11:13:32 2002 From: treed at clearwater-fl.com (Reed, Tracey) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: review of free email providers Message-ID: <1A2A3BC35ECEF3409C9FBA7C7ADFB81D03D677@lib2.clearwater-fl.com> cNet has a good comparison review of free email providers. Yahoo won. Go figure. http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227888-8-20089773-1.html?tag=ld ___________________ Tracey Reed Webmaster/Systems Analyst Clearwater Public Library System treed@clearwater-fl.com If the eyes are the windows of the soul, then words are the doorbells of the mind. -Josh Wilson, Australian journalist, The Weekend Australian, 2002 From bennetttm at appstate.edu Mon Jul 15 11:22:46 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <OIEAICEIMMPIEKHFOAFGAEFLDAAA.euan.morton@xrxgsn.com> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHOEHHFGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> And if you want to make your own Pringles antenna see(from July 2001): http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 and then view the original linked from that site. Keep in mind, I believe this only increases the distance (reportedly) that you can receive a signal. As a directional antenna, I don't think this affects transmission but then I'm not a radio specialist. At ASU, the other one not Arizona ;-) , We have been using Enterasys (Cabletron) Access Points since at least January 2000. We have been really pleased with the effective use of wireless and intend to put it to more use in our new library ( http://www.library.appstate.edu/newlibrary/ ). In May of 2000 Lynne Lysiak, head of library systems, and I did a talk on wireless and its use at ASU for the North Carolina Library Association. The powerpoint web presentation can be viewed at from a link on http://www.library.appstate.edu/wireless/ . I am using a TrenDnet wireless CF card with my Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 (embedded Linux) and have had very good results with this. There are security advisories just recently released but this is not a new security hole. The advisory notes that the ftp connection the Zaurus uses to synch with the local PC can be comprimised although this hole has been in Windows CE for years if I'm not mistaken. I infere this by the fact an article from a Linux periodical that gave instructions for connecting a Linux desktop to a Windows CE device and the instructions included using ftp to communicate to the Windows CE unit. The Zaurus comes with the Opera browser and I have used this to access databases on our Zope server such as maintaining a computer inventory with the handheld unit. Wireless has allowed us to increase network connection where it is not feasible to add any more hard wire. The whole campus is working toward wireless access. Our student center is now set up for wireless connecting. We are using a similar registration system as mentioned in Bill Drew's comment in the original message below. And Darryl's response is correct, when I first turned on my Zaurus with the network card in it I had complete Internet access even though desktop computers had to 'register' before gaining Internet access. Being on very good terms with campus networking, I informed our security watch dog of the event and he indicates to me now that it has been patched and thanked me. There are popular programs out there that allow you to sniff wireless transmissions ( http://www.netstumbler.com/ ) even with a Windows CE unit, record transmissions and verify the access point location. At that same site, netstumbler, is an interesting article ' Will UWB be the next step after 802.11 and Bluetooth? ' Summary: Ultra Wide Band extremley low power speeds up to 150 mbps range 150 feet maybe up to 1500 feet low interference unlicensed (and my favorite) the opportunity exists to have one standard world wide. Also at that site, DefCon 10 WarDriving Contest ( http://www.securitytribe.com/wardrive.html ) . A contest for participants to drive around and reveal GPS locations of wireless access points. Maybe coming to a town near you ;-) . Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Euan Morton Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing Another reason for food not to be allowed in the library: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1860000/1860241.stm Sl?inte Euan Morton, CIBER @ Xerox Web Developer, Xerox Global Service Net http://www.ciber-roch.com/ ICQ: 104325610 - http://home.rochester.rr.com/acode/ Astronomicon '02, Rochester's own SF convention, Nov 1-3, 2002 http://www.rochesterfantasyfans.org/conpage.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Darryl Friesen > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing > > > > On our campus all NIC (network interface cards) addresses must be > > registered. IP addresses are then assigned on the fly to > "authorized" NIC > > addresses. All users must login to the network and be authenticated via > > normal network logins, same as the wired connections. > > > > Bill Drew > > That doesn't mean that any of it is secure. Unless there is some form of > encryption used, anyone could walk in off the street and sniff > your network > traffic (for passwords, patron information, sensitive data etc). > > I won't pretend to know all that much about wireless technology (I'm a > systems geek, not a network geek) but our campus chose Cisco hardware > (including client network adapters) for our wireless because (our networks > geeks tell me) they use LEAP (some sort of encrypted authentication and > transmission standard). The network cards are quite a bit more money than > almost any other wireless cards however. > > > - Darryl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ > Information Technology Services Division, > University of Saskatchewan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" > > From jacobs at students.uiuc.edu Mon Jul 15 12:44:47 2002 From: jacobs at students.uiuc.edu (jacobs) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: Yahoo bans HTML email text with Javascript tags Message-ID: <3D3EF212@webmail.uiuc.edu> This may (or may not) change cNet's review of yahoo. Read the story below from the Risks Digest (http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks): <snip> Yahoo's been busy instead with fiddling its own users' private correspondence. In a fantastically clumsy attempt to prevent cross-site scripting attacks, the free e-mail wing of the sprawling giant has long been replacing complete English words in the text of HTML mail sent to its users. Mention "mocha" in an HTML mail to a friend with a @yahoo.com account, and your choice in coffee will be silently switched to "espresso". Talk about "free expression", and your recipient will think you said "free statement". Here's the full list of swaperoos: http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/12/yahoo.txt - try not to mail it to your friends This fiddling has been going on now for over a year year (the ever vigilant RISKS digest noted it back in March 2001). But because of Yahoo's underhand methods, very few people have spotted the turnabout - certainly far fewer than if Yahoo had done the sensible thing and, say, "**"'ed out the vowels in the word, or, God forbid, written a smarter parser. But the sneakier you are, the wider the damage spreads. The word "medieval" (since it contains the javascript command "eval") is converted in Yahoo mail to "medireview". Google now shows over 640 sites (and 1,150 separate instances) of the word "medireview" being used as a synonym for medieval. University papers, bibliographies and book reviews, Indian newspaper columnists, and endless enthusiast sites drop it unseen into texts. People have begun to ask where it originally came from, and does it have a subtler meaning beyond "medieval"? Is Yahoo ever going to fix its filters? Or is it time we pushed to get the first regexp-obfuscated word into the Oxford English Dictionary? http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.34.html - does anyone still at Yahoo even know how to turn it off? http://www.google.com/search?q=medireview - NTK now entirely filled with google links </snip> Regards, James Jacobs ********************************************************** James R. Jacobs Education & Social Science Library University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign Home: 303B1 Paddock Drive Savoy, IL 61874 (217)359-9283 radlib@ucimc.org http:radicallibrarian.org http://ucimc.org/library ********************************************************** Information is the currency of democracy. -- Thomas Jefferson ********************************************************** (\ {|||8- (/ From carver.50 at osu.edu Mon Jul 15 13:14:52 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Yahoo bans HTML email text with Javascript tags In-Reply-To: <3D3EF212@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715131345.012bb740@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> That and much more! Yahoo said it will incorporate the technologies of Eyeblaster, EyeWonder, PointRoll and Unicast to boost the interactive advertising packages that it sells to clients. Yahoo said the deal will help it more easily sell catchier advertising campaigns. The four companies have developed technologies that make it hard to avoid Web advertisements. Eyeblaster produces flash-animated pop-up ads; PointRoll technology expands ad banners when a mouse cursor touches it; EyeWonder lets advertisers stream video commercials onto a Web page; and Unicast creates ads that allow users to navigate within them without leaving a Web site. From CNET: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-943865.html?tag=fd_top At 09:47 AM 7/15/2002 -0700, jacobs wrote: >This may (or may not) change cNet's review of yahoo. Read the story below >from the Risks Digest (http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks): > ><snip> > >Yahoo's been busy instead with fiddling its own >users' private correspondence.... ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From king at julip.fcgov.com Mon Jul 15 15:12:22 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: floppy drive stories Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207151310500.25138-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Thanks to all of you who responded with your floppy drive stories! I'm convinced :) Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From lsherby at hunter.cuny.edu Mon Jul 15 15:29:23 2002 From: lsherby at hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: Reference Librarian, Hunter College (NYC) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715152549.0307e4e0@ms1.hunter.cuny.edu> HUNTER COLLEGE OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK REFERENCE/INSTRUCTIONAL LIBRARIAN Instructor or Assistant Professor Reporting to the Head of Reference, participates in reference service, general and specialized library instruction and collection development; promotes information literacy to faculty and students; serves as faculty liaison with one or more academic departments; assists patrons in the use of OPAC, electronic resources and the Internet/WWW; develops instructional publications in various formats. May be assigned as needed to other divisions of Hunter College Libraries. Qualifications: Instructor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school. Assistant Professor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school, plus an additional Master's degree or Doctorate. Highly desirable: Experience in academic reference, electronic resources and collection development; demonstrated teaching experience; subject degree or experience in Education or one of the social sciences; excellent communication and interpersonal skills; ability to work in a collaborative high-volume reference environment with a strong commitment to public services; ability to meet tenure and promotion requirements. Salary: Instructor: $32,444 - $48,284; Assistant Professor: $34,011 - $57,049, commensurate with qualifications and experience. Excellent fringe benefits. 35-hour, 5-day work week, including some evening and/or weekend hours.. Hunter College, the second oldest college in The City University of New York, is a coeducational, fully accredited college, with a large and diverse faculty in the liberal arts and sciences and in several professional schools. Hunter's total enrollment is approximately 19,000 students. Of these, about 8,000 are full-time undergraduate, an additional 7,000 are part-time students, and over 4,000 are graduate students studying in arts and sciences, teacher education and professional programs at the Schools of Arts and Sciences, Education, Social Work, and Health Professions. With a professional staff of 23 librarians, Hunter College Library contains over 750,000 volumes, 2,300 current periodical titles, and a nonprint collection of discs, tapes, scores, CD-ROMs, microforms, art slides and digitized slides. The library resources of Hunter College are available through CUNY+, an automated library system, which provides access to all CUNY library collections. Review of applications will begin immediately and will continue until the position is filled. Send resume and names (with addresses, telephone, fax numbers, email addresses) of at least three current references to: Dr. Louise S. Sherby Chief Librarian Hunter College Libraries 695 Park Avenue New York, N.Y. 10021 Hunter College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action/IRCA/Americans with Disabilities Act Employer. Females, minority group members, disabled persons and veterans are encouraged to apply for this position. ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Associate Dean and Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jdidonato at rla.lib.il.us Mon Jul 15 19:18:00 2002 From: jdidonato at rla.lib.il.us (Jim Didonato) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Children's games Web site difficulties Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161C5987@PDCRLPL> Sue, I couldn't agree more with your frustration. We have a very similar situation at the Round Lake Area Library. We are using Compaq workstations (Compaq's professional line), of which only a few have 64 MB RAM, the rest have either 128 or 256 MB RAM. The slowest processor we have is running at 500 mHz. We are running IE 6.0, and have the latest IE, Flash, ShockWave, Quick Time, and Media Player updates as of May 15, 2002. We have a T1 line, Cisco router, switches, and hubs, and the network is running at 100 mbps. All workstations are running Windows 98. We're using WinU and Deep Freeze to lock down patron computers. We have been having the problem you mention for quite some time, regardless of software / plug-in version. We installed Public Web Browser on top of IE for added configuration / security control in May. This initially eliminated about 99% of the trouble we encountered. In the last few weeks, though, these same sites are again giving us trouble. I made sure "ShowScriptErrors" was set to false in PublicBrowser.ini. When we contacted PWB tech support they said they knew of this and said the only solution they knew of was to purchase version 2.0 (we're running 1.0). It is only $100 for a PWB, version 2.0, site license, so we'll probably buy the upgrade. However, I won't have the time to run the install on all of our workstations in the immediate future. I should note that we turned off script debugging and the associated error notification messages generated by these errors in IE. This did not help before or after installation of PWB. Overall, though, I would recommend installing Public Web Browser. Infomercial voice aside, PWB has DEFINITELY reduced the number of these incidents; it has not eliminated them. The computers in our Youth Services department are giving us the most trouble. These workstations are running through Web Sense for internet filtering, though I cannot see how any of these settings would cause this trouble. We aren't using Web Sense on our Adult Services workstations, and though we don't experience these problems to the degree Youth PCs do, the Adult PCs do still give us some trouble. I cannot track this down to time of day, day of week, or correlation with use of any particular programs. We can have two patrons on the exact same page, sitting at identical workstations, and have one PC freeze while the other works without incident. I have mentioned this issue to our computer consultant, and they say Windows XP does a much better job of handling java memory problems - the supposed root of this whole issue - than '98. We won't be upgrading to XP until mid 2003, so I think we're both in the same situation for a while. Please let me know if you ever hear of a solution. -Jim Jim DiDonato Head of Technology Round Lake Area Library 906 Hart Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Phone: (847) 546 - 7060 E-Mail: jdidonato@rla.lib.il.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sue Furman Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Children's games Web site difficulties Keywords: children's games web sites, plugins, Internet Explorer 5.5, Netscape 4.08, Win 9x If you don't deal with this area, you may delete now. Hello Friends - It is time for me to de-lurk and request input from all in Web4Lib land. I am confounded by an on-going inconsistency in using the following children's internet sites for games. FoxKids.com, zoogdisney.com, pbs.org, cartoonnetwork.com. Basically, sometimes they work, other times errors are given such as "Director player error - unable to find file" and "You need Flash (or Shockwave) to use this site" Here is my setup: I have a T1 line to the Internet. My internal network is 100mb/s. I'm running Cisco switches The PC's are Gateway and Dell brands, Pentium II, 266 to 350 MHz processors. All have 128MB of RAM. Internet Explorer 5.5, service pack 1, Netscape Navigator 4.08 and Microsoft Word97 are installed. Deep Freeze is used as the security software. The Gateway's are running Win98 SE, the Dell's are on Win95 B. Both brands experience the same problems. Plugins installed are: Java 1.3.1_01, Shockwave 8.5, G2 Real Player, SVG Adobe, Intertrust Redemption Certificate, QuickTime 5.0.1, Adobe Acrobat 5.0, Flash 5.0 r41, LiveAudio 1.1.1515, NPAVI32. There is no *one* certain time of day these sites don't work. All the error messages involve either some indication that one of the installed plugins is *not* installed or certain files cannot be found. Sometimes there is no message at all, the site seems to not be responding, but the upper right corner browser icon shows it's active. This can happen at 9AM or 4PM. One PC can be running a particular game, and the PC right next to it, running the same game, will error out. Sometimes a game will work on a PC and then an hour later, on the same PC, won't. Sometimes a game won't work on Internet Explorer, but will on Netscape or vice- versa. We are a Public Library, and our Chidren's Services staff feel it is important to offer these types of entertainment games sites for our youth. This type of service meets the mission statement and Internet usage policy of our library. Staff are becoming increasingly frustrated with me and our state of automation in general because the kids have difficulty using these sites. I'm baffled at what's happening. My questions are: 1. Do others experience these error messages on these sites? 2. Do I have all the plugins I need to run these sites? 3. What am I not seeing or doing right? 4. Does your library offer these type of games? If not, why, and what do you offer. Any insight you can offer will be gratefully accepted. I'm at wit's end. Thank you all. Sue Furman -- District Automation Coordinator -- Fountaindale Public Library District -- 300 W. Briarcliff Road, Bolingbrook, IL 60440. email: sfurman@fountaindale.lib.il.us voice: 630-759-2102 x20 fax: 630-759-9314 From gprice at gwu.edu Mon Jul 15 22:22:19 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:36 2005 Subject: Lessig Interview, New Issue of D-Lib, Info Access in War Message-ID: <1026786139.3d33835baa1e7@mail.spamcop.net> Hello from D.C. I posted a few interesting reads to the weblog over the weekend and today that I think are worthy of mention on the list. 1) Library Journal interviews Lawrence Lessig http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA231610 2) The July/August Issue of D-Lib Magazine is Now Available Online http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july02/07contents.html Selected Articles: "A Framework for Evaluating Digital Library Services" "Interdisciplinarity: The Road Ahead for Education in Digital Libraries" "Federated Digital Rights Management: Proposed DRM Solution for Research and Education" "Learning Lessons Holistically in the Glasgow Digital Library" "Digitizing Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps? for a Full Color, Publicly Accessible Collection" "My Library at Virginia Commonwealth University: Third Year Evaluation" "IEEE Technical Committee on Digital Libraries Web Site Launched" "ARCHway: Access to the UK's Best Archaeology Libraries and Their Journals" "OAIster Search Interface Launched" "Citebase: An OAI Citation-ranked Search Service" 3) A Few Comments from Paul Willis, Dean of Libraries at the University of South Carolina http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/3647498.htm >From the article, Willis on librarianship, ""It's a service profession," Willis said recently. "If you think you're going to come into the office and read a book all day, you're in trouble." Willis on the Internet, "Part of a librarian's advice to today's students, Willis said, is to not forget about books."UCLA did a study that showed a high percentage of freshmen started their research on the Internet," he said. "My concern is that they stop there."Willis is convinced books and printed materials won't die, and he wants libraries to emphasize the use of both print and electronic materials." 4) Finally, from the July issue of The Journal of Medical Librarianship "Access to information in war" by Carolyn E. Lipscomb Full-Text: http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=116409 PDF http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/picrender.fcgi?action=stream&blobtype=pdf&artid=116409 cheers, gary -- The Weblog: The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.freepint.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gary@freepint.com From cchick at earthlink.net Mon Jul 15 16:36:38 2002 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy L. Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - July 15, 2002 Message-ID: <004c01c22c3f$522e19f0$30acd9cf@CindysComputer> New on LLRX.com for July 15, 2002: http://www.llrx.com **CRS Reports http://www.llrx.com/features/crsreports.htm Frequent LLRX.com contributor Stephen Young provides an historical introduction to Congressional Research Reports (over 1,000 written reports are published yearly), and a variety of avenues online to obtain copies of the small number of these documents actually made available to the public. **Labor and Employment Law Resources on the Internet 2002 http://www.llrx.com/features/laborlaw.htm Alyssa Rosen's guide will assist you in locating free labor and employment sites from commercial, academic, association, publisher, union and government sources. **Overview of Sources of Canadian Law on the Web, Update 3 http://www.llrx.com/features/canadian3.htm Louise Tsang reviews Canadian Meta Sites, sources of law (statutes and regs), case law, and links to provinces and territories. **FLAG: The New Internet Gateway to Foreign Law Holdings in the UK National and University Libraries http://www.llrx.com/features/flag.htm Dr. Peter Clinch details The Foreign Law Guide or FLAG project, which has developed a free Internet database describing the holdings of foreign, international and comparative law in the national and university libraries of the United Kingdom. **Revisiting Jury Instructions (Part 2) - Missouri through Wyoming http://www.llrx.com/columns/reference39.htm Jan Bissett and Margi Heinen's guide highlights sources for state jury model/standard instructions in print, on the Web, and via commercial databases. **Searchable Intellectual Property Databases - Updated http://www.llrx.com/columns/roundup26.htm Kathy Biehl has cataloged searchable IP databases maintained by government, academic and institutional sites, as well as commercial sites. This resource now includes specialized U.S. and international patent databases, records from the European Patent Office and six countries and trademark registration databases from 20 states. **Latest Links http://www.llrx.com/links/071502.htm Margaret Berkland reviews: 1stHeadlines, Presenters University, The Library of Congress: Classification Web, Avoiding Information Overload: Knowledge Management on the Internet, U.S. News Archives on the Web, and U.S. States and Territories. **The Balancing Act of Multitasking Managers - Program Material http://www.llrx.com/extras/SLA2002multitasking.htm Librarians who are responsible for the supervison of more than one department won't want to miss Lee Nemcheck's bibliography, and Robert Oaks' job descriptions for the multitasking librarian, from their recent Special Libraries Association presentations. **SLA 2002 - Maximizing Technology: Creative Intranet Applications http://www.llrx.com/extras/sla2002.htm Cindy L. Chick, Nina Platt and Bob Sullivan demonstrate library- related Intranet applications created for their respective firms. Their presentations are available in both Powerpoint and PDF. **Editor's Featured Site - Internet White Pages Phone White Pages http://www.internet-white-pages-phone-white-pages.com/ Although the name of this site is rather odd, the service provided is well worth your review. It offers quick and user friendly access to names, addresses, email, phone and fax numbers from white and yellow page directories worldwide. Many of the foreign services provide English language access (Editor, Sabrina I. Pacifici). **LLRXBuzz July 15, 2002 http://www.llrx.com/buzz/buzz117.htm Tara Calishain reviews: -KillerInfo Meta Site -Boot Scoot iBoogie -Experian Announces UCC Delivery Service -California On-Line Directory -Maine Launches New Web Site -Search Engine Openfind Enters Beta Test **LLRX Newstand http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm Updated daily: the latest news on legal-tech issues, legislation, web resources, search engines, online research and more. (Edited and Compiled by Sabrina I. Pacifici) **9-11-2001 Related News and Legal/Legislative Resources, Updated Daily http://www.llrx.com/newstand/wtc.htm (Edited and Compiled by Sabrina I. Pacifici) ----------------------Advertisement--------------------- Sign up for a free place on any patent searching workshop for Derwent files on Dialog, organised by Derwent Information, the world's leading patent information provider. To register visit our web site: www.derwent.com/training/index.html where you'll also find a complete schedule for Spring 2002 and a full description of each workshop. Our half-day workshops enable you to enhance your search techniques whether you're a beginner with limited patent searching know-how or a highly experienced searcher. For more information, email our US Training Department training@derwentus.com) or telephone (800) 451- 3551. --------------------------------------------------------- From dmarmion at nd.edu Tue Jul 16 08:29:23 2002 From: dmarmion at nd.edu (Dan Marmion) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Information Technology and Libraries Message-ID: <3D3411A3.9606711E@nd.edu> Got Technology? Want to tell someone about it? Done research? Need to get it published? LITA's Information Technology & Libraries (ITAL) journal is always looking for article/paper submissions in the area of the use of information technologies in/by libraries. ITAL is a refereed scholarly journal (but don't let that scare you away) published by the Library and Information Technology Association, a Division of the American Library Association. It is published quarterly in hard copy with a Web version which includes TOC, abstracts, full text of selected articles, and full book and software reviews. Go to http://www.lita.org/ital/index.htm to see past issues and details on submitting manuscripts. [Cross-posted to a number of lists. Please excuse the duplication.] Dan Marmion -- Daniel Keith Marmion email: dmarmion@nd.edu Assoc. Dir. for Information Systems and Digital Access University Libraries of Notre Dame http://lib.nd.edu 221 Hesburgh Library, Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-5629 voice: (574) 631-3811 fax: (574) 631-6772 Editor: _Information Technology and Libraries_ (LITA) From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jul 16 11:00:54 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: cocktail-party knowledge Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB0401573ED4@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> An interesting piece from the Washington Post on students' reliance on the Web as an information resource: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9729-2002Jul15.html "Cocktail-party knowledge" is a term used by a Maryland professor to describe the level of knowledge students gain by relying too much on Web resources. Thanks to Gary Price for pointing out this article on the DIG_REF list. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From king at julip.fcgov.com Tue Jul 16 11:16:21 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: Children's games Web site difficulties In-Reply-To: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161C5987@PDCRLPL> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207160911140.251-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Often, when I've had errors with these sites it is because I have disabled some Active X feature (Tools | Internet Options | Security | Custom Level). In general, I've found that if a site works in IE but not Netscape then visual basic scripting is suspect. If it works in Netscape but not IE, then javascript is suspect. As well, it could be that there are scripting errors on the pages you are visiting. Just my 2 cents, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Jul 16 11:52:36 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Customizing vendor-supplied interfaces Message-ID: <200207161152.AA1564344582@ansernet.rcls.org> We're implementing a new web-based PAC product from our library automation vendor that offers a great deal of flexibility for customization. A limited amount of that customization can be done via administration software the vendor has supplied. A great deal more can be done by making changes to the default XSL templates supplied with the product. Some sites using the same PAC product have done extensive customization of the XSL, adding many features we're interested in, too. The danger in copying these independent customizations is that they may be wiped out with the next upgrade from the vendor. For example, one site has reported it took them 40 work hours to re-customize the product when it was upgraded from 2.0 to 2.01. We don't know whether to invest our local resources into customization [realizing that work will need to be strictly documented and re-created, and adding to the cost of implementation] or whether to put wait and put pressure on the vendor to incorporate these features into their standard admin software. I'm sure this is a quandry that has been around for years--decades--but I'm just wondering if any library has developed general guidelines or policies; or are these taken case-by-case? -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From CHUDSON at flower-mound.com Tue Jul 16 11:58:16 2002 From: CHUDSON at flower-mound.com (Connie Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Headphones Message-ID: <E8F1C174E71ED51185A500508B93663801DF6FB7@MAIL> If you are providing headphones for customers to use with an interactive CD-ROM product in the library, I need to know if you do anything to disinfect the headphones between customers. If you do not disinfect them between customers, have you had any problems? Thanks. Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator chudson@flower-mound.com Flower Mound Public Library 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 From lwnamh at juno.com Tue Jul 16 12:34:14 2002 From: lwnamh at juno.com (lydia f black) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Reading loft for a children's library Message-ID: <20020716.113415.2272.0.lwnamh@juno.com> This school year will be my first in the library. I'd like to make the library a fun and exciting play to crawl around and read in fun places. Does anyone know of some building plans to make a reading loft with changable facades for a children's library? I'd also appreciate any suggestions on safety rules etc. L Black Lake Dallas Elementary Librarian 190 Falcon Dr. Lake Dallas, Tx. "But prove yourselves doers of the word and not merely hearers who delude themselves" James 1:22 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jul 16 12:38:57 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Headphones In-Reply-To: <E8F1C174E71ED51185A500508B93663801DF6FB7@MAIL> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716123634.02b45130@ohiolink.edu> At 12:01 PM 7/16/2002, Connie Hudson wrote: >If you are providing headphones for customers to use with an interactive >CD-ROM product in the library, I need to know if you do anything to >disinfect the headphones between customers. If you do not disinfect them >between customers, have you had any problems? There were a couple thorough discussions on the list last year. See the "headphones" threads under <http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0101/subject.html> and <http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0104/subject.html>. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 16 13:43:22 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207150955040.27882-100000@overlord.tln.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207150955040.27882-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <471136298671.20020716114322@riverofdata.com> Rather than punish the majority of good users who would use floppy drives as intended, why not put security software such as DeepFreeze on the computers? That way you machines end up in mint condition after a reboot, no matter what anyone does via floppy or downloading. dan Monday, July 15, 2002, 8:02:10 AM, you wrote: MLM> Yes. As a tech for a library cooperative, on numerous occasions I have MLM> seen floppy drives used to manipulate and hack into public workstations. MLM> This is why I recommend using floppy drive locks on any public exposed MLM> system. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 16 14:13:51 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <471136298671.20020716114322@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> I think DeepFreeze has its place in protecting PCs. But it won't protect against most of the potential mischief that can come from floppy use. This includes: * Viruses infecting PCs that then infect other users unless you reboot between every user * Hacker-wanna-be's using tools on floppies to compromise PC and network security We do allow floppy use but we also include anti-virus software and windows policies to restrict that use and avoid some of the problems listed above. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Dan Lester wrote: > Rather than punish the majority of good users who would use floppy > drives as intended, why not put security software such as DeepFreeze > on the computers? That way you machines end up in mint condition > after a reboot, no matter what anyone does via floppy or downloading. > > dan > > Monday, July 15, 2002, 8:02:10 AM, you wrote: > > MLM> Yes. As a tech for a library cooperative, on numerous occasions I have > MLM> seen floppy drives used to manipulate and hack into public workstations. > MLM> This is why I recommend using floppy drive locks on any public exposed > MLM> system. > > > > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > > From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 16 14:22:42 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207121017270.25711-100000@overlord.tln.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207121017270.25711-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <1561138658844.20020716122242@riverofdata.com> Friday, July 12, 2002, 8:32:23 AM, you wrote: AIM> One can hardly fault librarians if they won't jump right onto the AIM> "wireless is the future!" bandwagon. Anyone who's been around for more AIM> than a few years has seen their share of "this is the future!" claims only AIM> to see those claims fizzle or be radically adjusted to meet the realities AIM> of the technology. You mean the places I've worked aren't the only ones that have had, or still have, Ultrafiche, videodisks, eight tracks, quad stereo, StarLan networking, or Dataphase systems? AIM> I remember when I first started working with technology AIM> in libraries and the big thing was CD-ROMs! We had to have networked AIM> CD-ROMs and as many as possible. The Internet as a public information AIM> resource was just starting to take off and the promise of easily AIM> accessible online databases was just that, a promise, not something that AIM> was readily available. Now, I have a handful of CD-ROMs available for AIM> resources that are still not easily accessible on the web or in a format AIM> that is better suited for a local resource. Everything else has gone to AIM> online databases. But in 1995, I was safe going with just CD-ROMs. Same here, and for most of us. I am fond of saying that "we try to stay near the leading edge, but off of the bleeding edge" and "never buy serial #1 of anything". AIM> Now, that doesn't mean that libraries shouldn't be looking at wireless AIM> technology and how we can provide services to wireless users, whether it AIM> be laptops, handhelds, or other portable devices. Absolutely. We have about ten of our fifty public workstations on wireless, as we had to expand into spaces where there was no easy or reasonable way to get network cables in, though power was available. They work fine. We also have wireless hubs that are on all floors, making about 90 percent of the public areas accessible to a wireless laptop. We're ahead of most of the campus on this, which shows, as we get relatively little wireless laptop use. We also have some 78 wired jacks around the building that anyone can plug into. Those also get little use. No login is required. AIM> I agree with many points AIM> in the article. But the reality is that there still isn't a lot of AIM> compelling features and services available for libraries. Maybe this the AIM> old "chicken and egg" dilemma where we don't get these services if we AIM> don't demand them but we don't demand them if we can't test and see their AIM> value. This is true. How many of us knew we needed a microwave or a TiVo until we had one? cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 16 14:30:01 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515841@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <571139097816.20020716123001@riverofdata.com> Friday, July 12, 2002, 9:09:53 AM, you wrote: DB> Can be cheaper than wired. Maybe in some situations, but only if complex cable routing, drilling, etc, are necessary for installation. DB> Fast installation. Again, no faster unless problems as noted above. DB> Greater productivity and service. I don't understand this one. DB> U.S. - twice as many wireless devices as PCs (Forrester Research). Well, yes, if this includes cellphones and such. But that's an apples and oranges comparison. DB> Access networked resources at meetings. Or do that wired too if set up for it, and either requires room setup. DB> Enhance experience of users in study groups. That too doesn't require wireless if you have wired study rooms, as we do. They're also wireless accessible. DB> Provide printing from anywhere in the library. We don't provide printing from network jacks or wireless, and certainly don't plan to. DB> Wireless devices for OPAC queries and other access. At this point, I think that someone who can't get the 150 feet to the nearest terminal needs to learn how to move. DB> Bar coding and other scanning (shelf reading, inventory). Can do that with a booktruck and laptop anyway, as those don't really need interactivity, though it can be nice. DB> Allow reference staff to roam with access to network and library resources. All that assumes they'll either lug a laptop or that displays on PDAs are worth reading, are usable, etc. DB> Circulate laptops / PDAs with wireless. No thanks. We don't circulate any hardware, don't want to get into that business. We let computer labs and Student Union do that. We do software, they do hardware. Note once again, I'm not opposed to any of these things. I just think we need to not sound too much like car salesmen or Ron Popeil. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From dhamilto at wlu.ca Tue Jul 16 14:30:54 2002 From: dhamilto at wlu.ca (Don Hamilton) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <000501c22cf6$eba2b0c0$0d17bdcd@lib.wlu.ca> Hmmm. This makes me wonder. Is there a 'fast boot' utility for windows, sort of a cross between the hibernate/wakeup stuff that exists on notebooks and ghost? If so, you could save a minimum startup 'image', and then you could 'reboot' between users by reading one or two megs from disk and bypassing the windows startup. don -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Andrew I. Mutch Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) I think DeepFreeze has its place in protecting PCs. But it won't protect against most of the potential mischief that can come from floppy use. This includes: * Viruses infecting PCs that then infect other users unless you reboot between every user * Hacker-wanna-be's using tools on floppies to compromise PC and network security We do allow floppy use but we also include anti-virus software and windows policies to restrict that use and avoid some of the problems listed above. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Dan Lester wrote: > Rather than punish the majority of good users who would use floppy > drives as intended, why not put security software such as DeepFreeze > on the computers? That way you machines end up in mint condition > after a reboot, no matter what anyone does via floppy or downloading. > > dan > > Monday, July 15, 2002, 8:02:10 AM, you wrote: > > MLM> Yes. As a tech for a library cooperative, on numerous occasions I > MLM> have seen floppy drives used to manipulate and hack into public > MLM> workstations. This is why I recommend using floppy drive locks on > MLM> any public exposed system. > > > > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > > From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 16 14:37:48 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <731139564236.20020716123748@riverofdata.com> Absolutely correct. I'm sorry if it sounded like DeepFreeze was the only tool needed. We also have Norton on the computers, as well as Windows policies and other tools. dan Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 12:21:18 PM, you wrote: AIM> I think DeepFreeze has its place in protecting PCs. But it won't protect AIM> against most of the potential mischief that can come from floppy use. This AIM> includes: AIM> * Viruses infecting PCs that then infect other users unless you reboot AIM> between every user AIM> * Hacker-wanna-be's using tools on floppies to compromise PC and network AIM> security AIM> We do allow floppy use but we also include anti-virus software and windows AIM> policies to restrict that use and avoid some of the problems listed above. AIM> Andrew Mutch AIM> Library Systems Technician AIM> Waterford Township Public Library AIM> Waterford, MI AIM> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Dan Lester wrote: >> Rather than punish the majority of good users who would use floppy >> drives as intended, why not put security software such as DeepFreeze >> on the computers? That way you machines end up in mint condition >> after a reboot, no matter what anyone does via floppy or downloading. >> >> dan >> >> Monday, July 15, 2002, 8:02:10 AM, you wrote: >> >> MLM> Yes. As a tech for a library cooperative, on numerous occasions I have >> MLM> seen floppy drives used to manipulate and hack into public workstations. >> MLM> This is why I recommend using floppy drive locks on any public exposed >> MLM> system. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 >> 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA >> www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! >> >> -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Tue Jul 16 15:01:37 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Customizing vendor-supplied interfaces References: <200207161152.AA1564344582@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: <3D346D91.32C4E3ED@students.uiuc.edu> Jerry, I'm not sure it's been around all that long ... vendors pretty much copped out on interface design with the arrival of the web and it's quik n' dirty search button. It's an issue that I think we really need to hammer on, however; if the vendors want us to do our own interface design, they need to support the versions we develop. The arrival of the web has distracted many library technologists from the issues around our ILS, yet it is by far the most expensive single system in the library. Extensive research conducted in the 80s has been basically ignored, but we continue to shell out big bucks while settling for an inferior product. Sooner or later, we have to hold their feet to the fire. Joyce Latham GSLIS Jerry Kuntz wrote: > > We're implementing a new web-based PAC product from our library automation vendor that offers a great deal of flexibility for customization. A limited amount of that customization can be done via administration software the vendor has supplied. A great deal more can be done by making changes to the default XSL templates supplied with the product. > Some sites using the same PAC product have done extensive customization of the XSL, adding many features we're interested in, too. The danger in copying these independent customizations is that they may be wiped out with the next upgrade from the vendor. For example, one site has reported it took them 40 work hours to re-customize the product when it was upgraded from 2.0 to 2.01. > We don't know whether to invest our local resources into customization [realizing that work will need to be strictly documented and re-created, and adding to the cost of implementation] or whether to put wait and put pressure on the vendor to incorporate these features into their standard admin software. > I'm sure this is a quandry that has been around for years--decades--but I'm just wondering if any library has developed general guidelines or policies; or are these taken case-by-case? > > -- > Jerry Kuntz > Electronic Resources Consultant > Ramapo Catskill Library System > jkuntz@rcls.org > > -- -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From cmurdock at ccfls.org Tue Jul 16 14:57:13 2002 From: cmurdock at ccfls.org (c.murdock) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207161408510.28598-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <20020716185716.22365.qmail@mplcat1.meadvillelibrary.org> Hello all, Something else that's not a bad idea is changing the BIOS settings so the computer can't be booted from a floppy. It's also wise to password protect the BIOS, so people can't tinker with the settings. Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library/Crawford County Federated Library System http://meadvillelibrary.org & http://ccfls.org From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Tue Jul 16 15:47:27 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing References: <571139097816.20020716123001@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3D34784F.A36957A3@students.uiuc.edu> But, wireless is a good solution in historic buildings, where it may supplement wired access in another part of the library. Joyce Latham GSLIS Dan Lester wrote: > > Friday, July 12, 2002, 9:09:53 AM, you wrote: > > DB> Can be cheaper than wired. > > Maybe in some situations, but only if complex cable routing, drilling, > etc, are necessary for installation. > > DB> Fast installation. > > Again, no faster unless problems as noted above. > > DB> Greater productivity and service. > > I don't understand this one. > > DB> U.S. - twice as many wireless devices as PCs (Forrester Research). > > Well, yes, if this includes cellphones and such. But that's an apples > and oranges comparison. > > DB> Access networked resources at meetings. > > Or do that wired too if set up for it, and either requires room setup. > > DB> Enhance experience of users in study groups. > > That too doesn't require wireless if you have wired study rooms, as we > do. They're also wireless accessible. > > DB> Provide printing from anywhere in the library. > > We don't provide printing from network jacks or wireless, and > certainly don't plan to. > > DB> Wireless devices for OPAC queries and other access. > > At this point, I think that someone who can't get the 150 feet to the > nearest terminal needs to learn how to move. > > DB> Bar coding and other scanning (shelf reading, inventory). > > Can do that with a booktruck and laptop anyway, as those don't really > need interactivity, though it can be nice. > > DB> Allow reference staff to roam with access to network and library resources. > > All that assumes they'll either lug a laptop or that displays on PDAs > are worth reading, are usable, etc. > > DB> Circulate laptops / PDAs with wireless. > > No thanks. We don't circulate any hardware, don't want to get into > that business. We let computer labs and Student Union do that. We do > software, they do hardware. > > Note once again, I'm not opposed to any of these things. I just think > we need to not sound too much like car salesmen or Ron Popeil. > > cheers > > dan > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From jfruit at nsls.info Tue Jul 16 16:34:30 2002 From: jfruit at nsls.info (jfruit@nsls.info) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Scandisk problem Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0207161523290.15175-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Hi, We seem to be having trouble with Scandisk on one of our Win98 Machines. Whenever scandisk runs (typically when recovering from a crash), the process seems to take forever to complete compared to other win98 machines. It does not lock up, however, and is able to finish. When I boot to the dos prompt and run scan disk from there, it seem to have trouble with the directory structure part of the scan. I did a surface scan and it found no problems. We are running fortress. Dunno if that matters. Thanks, John From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Jul 16 16:33:37 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0207121158450.12751-100000@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <01ea01c22d08$12ed11f0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> As Joyce noted, adding connectivity to older buildings is one good use of wireless. Having done expensive Cisco wireless and low-cost home wireless with Netgear, I'd say the former is pricey and Cisco's interface had some lame-o issues (including some surprisingly dumb problems), but it worked well, had (theoretically) good security approaches, and the range was excellent. On the other hand, Netgear was cheap, had no lame-o interface issues, and was up and running. Beyond my two neighbors (nice folks but strictly analog), the only folks who could tap into this network would be squirrels or hummingbirds with laptops, and even in the Bay Area we're not seeing those... yet. (Not even squirrels with cell phones, and that DOES surprise me...) In a former job, I had a job estimate of tens of thousands of dollars to bring in one or two drops into an important area of the library that had no drops (and do it right, as in cosmetically acceptable to the powers that be). With wireless, that job was done for $1,000, even with pricey Cisco hardware, and the decision about where that computer would sit was far, far more flexible, limited only by flexibility (I recall making our electrician giggle by asking him when we would see wireless electricity so I could plug in the computers anywhere I felt like). For that particular use, I might even go even farther down the chain these days and use the same el-cheapo but functional Netgear stuff I'm using here. The security issues are indeed worth investigating, but in context. In the case of the lone computer above, what we had to ask ourselves was whether John Ashcroft or bin Laden were going to crouch in the bushes outside and read the OPAC searches as they happened. Actually, I wouldn't put that past John Ashcroft, but at least six months out of the year, at this library, you'd be looking for someone in a parka, glove, and hat, lying in barren weeds... or perhaps an unmarked van that always parked near that window... eventually he'd have to use the restroom... and then we could have sent in our own spies to do some counter-espionage. Not only user needs but preferences should be thought through. If students expect to be able to gather in informal study groups, or if librarians expect to be able to set up their training labs in any room, with wireless laptops, then "let them eat Cat5e" isn't enough... Thought: if you can put the public users OUTSIDE your library network, and hang a few warchalking signs, you could encourage group study activities wherever two or more students gather in education's name. Or goofing off... I believe the college years are useful for that, as well. We don't need to conclude that Wireless is The Future to say that right now, wireless in libraries can be (but isn't necessarily) gosh-darn useful, cost-effective, access-enhancing, and fun. Like anything else, make a list of pros and cons, costs and benefits, etc. And my day job too calleth... ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From hjarvis at buffalo.edu Tue Jul 16 16:50:07 2002 From: hjarvis at buffalo.edu (Hugh Jarvis) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scandisk problem In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0207161523290.15175-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <NFBBJBGGIKBHDLEJDOPMCELNDAAA.hjarvis@buffalo.edu> Could another app be periodically accessing the drive, like a virus shield..? Could just be interrupting the scan so part of it has to keep starting over... Hugh -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of jfruit@nsls.info Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scandisk problem Hi, We seem to be having trouble with Scandisk on one of our Win98 Machines. Whenever scandisk runs (typically when recovering from a crash), the process seems to take forever to complete compared to other win98 machines. It does not lock up, however, and is able to finish. When I boot to the dos prompt and run scan disk from there, it seem to have trouble with the directory structure part of the scan. I did a surface scan and it found no problems. We are running fortress. Dunno if that matters. Thanks, John From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Tue Jul 16 17:08:46 2002 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scandisk problem Message-ID: <783301C47219E84CBBE36C75CB8801A70CAFD7@its-e2k2.waikato.ac.nz> This problem can occur for many reasons. Off the top of my head some are: - The FAT (File Allocation Table) could be partly corrupt - The drive partitioning could be partly corrupt - The drive itself could be on its way out - The drive may be too full (rare occurance but less than 5% space has been known to cause this) The fact that it appears to be having problems with the directory structure when running Scandisk in DOS mode would indicate to me that it is one of the first two options I listed above. You could try running a recovery program such as Spinrite which will do a low-level disk check/format/recovery. This is non-destructive and can be successful in cases such as this. However in my experience the best way is to FDISK the drive and rebuild the system. Regards Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jodi W. Anderson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." > -----Original Message----- > From: jfruit@nsls.info [mailto:jfruit@nsls.info] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2002 08:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scandisk problem > > > Hi, > > We seem to be having trouble with Scandisk on one of our > Win98 Machines. Whenever scandisk runs (typically when > recovering from a crash), the process seems to take forever > to complete compared to other win98 machines. It does not > lock up, however, and is able to finish. > > When I boot to the dos prompt and run scan disk from there, > it seem to have trouble with the directory structure part of > the scan. I did a surface scan and it found no problems. > > We are running fortress. Dunno if that matters. > > Thanks, > > John > > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 16 17:12:12 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Remote Access Solution? References: <3D1B9658.126AAD37@usfca.edu> Message-ID: <3D348C2C.36424991@tln.lib.mi.us> I think all of the bits that I need are probably lying around the Web4Lib archives but just in case there's a new mousetrap, let me ask for help with the following: We have just completely revamped our access to our online databases. The major elements of this revision have included breaking out a number of individual databases and moving them from a single page of access to multiple pages. This current arrangement has been rolled out in-house and I think has greatly improved how we are providing access to these resources to our patrons. Now, we want to implement the same changes for remote access. Currently, remote users are required to authenticate using their library barcode number. A script checks their barcode number and if they authenticate, a second script generates a web page with links to the various databases. In some cases, the database vendors are handling authentication through referrer URL and in some cases, we use scripted links to manage the authentication process with the database. We have set up the second script such that patrons are always required to authenticate any time they try to access the scripted page. If they try to bookmark it or otherwise bypass the authentication process, they just get bounced back to the screen where they have to enter their barcode. Having discussed this with my librarians, we have decided that a future remote access would have the following: 1) A single point of authentication 2) Authentication wouldn't be required until the patron actually selected a database to access. It was felt that the current process doesn't give patrons any kind of information before asking them for their barcode number. In the ideal case, patrons would get an idea of what they are getting before having to authenticate. 3) Once a patron authenticates for one database, they should not have to authenticate again in the same session. 4) Only use a single set of pages. I don't want to have to maintain two sets of pages, one for use in the library and one for use outside the library, if I can help it. Items 1, 2 and 4 don't appear to be that difficult to achieve. I can think of two approaches for having one set of pages handle in-house and remote users: A) Use EZProxy to allow all users to appear as if they are accessing the databases locally. I have a license for EZProxy so this is an option. One issue I haven't figured out is how to keep out unauthorized users. B) Use an IP detection script on each link that would either pass the user along to the appropriate database or send them to the authentication page. The trick here for me is #3. Once I have authenticated a user, how do I keep them from having to authenticate more than once? I'm guessing that the solution to this is setting a session cookie that gets checked in some way. But I haven't done anything with cookies in this way. Or maybe there is a better way to do this? I'm sure there is a way to have my cake and eat it too. I just don't know where I should be directing my efforts here. Hopefully, this all made sense. Thank you in advance! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 16 18:34:33 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Remote Access Solution? In-Reply-To: <3D348C2C.36424991@tln.lib.mi.us> References: <3D348C2C.36424991@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <241153769222.20020716163433@riverofdata.com> Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 3:17:03 PM, you wrote: AM> 1) A single point of authentication Yes. AM> 2) Authentication wouldn't be required until the patron actually AM> selected a database to access. It was felt that the current process AM> doesn't give patrons any kind of information before AM> asking them for their barcode number. In the ideal case, patrons AM> would get an idea of what they are getting before having to authenticate. Absolutely. Look at http://library.boisestate.edu/indexes/ AM> 3) Once a patron authenticates for one database, they should not have to AM> authenticate again in the same session. They don't have to. Once they've authenticated to EZProxy they're OK until they close the browser. EZProxy handles the cookies. AM> 4) Only use a single set of pages. I don't want to have to maintain AM> two sets of pages, one for use in the library and one for use outside AM> the library, if I can help it. You won't. We have one page for the list of indexes, cited above. We have one authentication page. Contact me off list and I'll give you a logon that will work for access to these so you can test it out and see if it doesn't do what you want. AM> Items 1, 2 and 4 don't appear to be that difficult to achieve. I can AM> think of two approaches for having one set of pages handle in-house and AM> remote users: AM> A) Use EZProxy to allow all users to appear as if they are accessing AM> the databases locally. I have a license for EZProxy so this is an AM> option. One issue I haven't figured out is how to AM> keep out unauthorized users. Within the library anyone can use the system. For outside your IP range they have to authenticate, using whatever scheme works for you. We have a simple list of ID number and Phone number pairs that are extracted from our patron database. It is a flat text file of the form: 12345654:1234 34568987:4567 AM> B) Use an IP detection script on each link that would either pass AM> the user along to the appropriate database or send them to the AM> authentication page. EZProxy does all that for you. AM> The trick here for me is #3. Once I have authenticated a user, AM> how do I keep them from having to authenticate more than once? AM> I'm guessing that the solution to this is setting a session AM> cookie that gets checked in some way. But I haven't done anything AM> with cookies in this way. Or maybe there is a better way to do this? AM> I'm sure there is a way to have my cake and eat it AM> too. I just don't know where I should be directing my efforts here. Again, EZProxy does it all for you. If those of us up in the deserts of Idaho can do it, I'm sure you can too. Really simple. Contact me off list if you want more info. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From leo at leoklein.com Tue Jul 16 19:29:10 2002 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Remote Access Solution? In-Reply-To: <241153769222.20020716163433@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020716192803.022004d8@mail145.pair.com> At 03:35 PM 7/16/2002 -0700, Dan Lester wrote: >Again, EZProxy does it all for you. > >If those of us up in the deserts of Idaho can do it, I'm sure you can >too. Really simple. Contact me off list if you want more info. Ditto on Dan's advice from the wilds of Manhattan. It's worked out quite well for us. I guess, the biggest challenge is keeping the config file listing all the subscription databases current. We also have some problems with students at their places of employment due to firewall issues on their part. Nothing's ever 100% perfect. LEO -------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Robert Klein Library Web Coordinator home :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://leoklein.com office :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu radio station ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://patachon.com/radio -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Cecilia.Tittemore at Dartmouth.EDU Tue Jul 16 19:38:36 2002 From: Cecilia.Tittemore at Dartmouth.EDU (Cecilia Tittemore) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:37 2005 Subject: Position Available - Dartmouth College Library Message-ID: <70744073@prancer.Dartmouth.EDU> DARTMOUTH COLLEGE LIBRARY HANOVER, NEW HAMPSHIRE Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian Dartmouth College Library seeks an innovative and creative librarian to serve as Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian. The incumbent will participate in the formation of policy, procedures, and workflow practices for the creation and maintenance of metadata to support the discovery and access of information resources offered by the library. As a member of the management group in Cataloging and Metadata Services, the Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian will assess bibliographic description and access needs of the Dartmouth College Digital Library, and design and implement processes to meet those needs including database design and the selection and implementation of metadata schemes. The incumbent will participate in the design of methods to ensure coordinated maintenance of metadata for the paper, audio-visual, and digital collections. This position also involves the discovery and evaluation of external sources of metadata, including comparison of purchased sources to in-house methods. The incumbent will participate in department goal setting and assessment, and communicate department goals to staff. He/she will provide training and guidance to staff, analyze workflows, and recommend, design and implement changes as needed. In addition, the incumbent will contribute to the management of cataloging processes and create catalog records for a wide variety of materials in many languages, subjects, and formats. Requirements: ALA-accredited MLS. Demonstrated knowledge of library cataloging rules, standards and formats. Familiarity with major descriptive metadata standards such as Dublin Core and EAD, and their application in libraries. Demonstrated competence in the use of an integrated library system, bibliographic databases, and networked cataloger's workstations. Demonstrated understanding of the interfaces between these tools, especially those that control the movement of bibliographic data between databases. Familiarity with current trends in cataloging, including those related to digital libraries. Demonstrated group-based communication and problem-solving skills, and excellent interpersonal and written communication skills required. Desirable skills include database design, familiarity with XML, and familiarity with one or more foreign languages. Rank and salary commensurate with experience and qualifications. Full benefits package including 22 vacation days; comprehensive health care; TIAA/CREF; and relocation assistance. Review of applications will begin on September 3, 2002 and will continue until the position is filled. Please submit resume and letter of application to: Cecilia P. Tittemore, Chair, Search Committee for the Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian, Dartmouth College Library, 6025 Baker/Berry Library, Hanover, New Hampshire 03755-3525 or send by email to Mary.Ann.Mousely@dartmouth.edu Working at Dartmouth means joining an institution with a strong commitment to libraries. An interesting mix of graduate, professional, and undergraduate programs, and a diverse student body make Dartmouth an outstanding place to work. A high quality of life and a thriving regional arts community provide an attractive locale in which to work and live. Dartmouth College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. For further information, review our website: www.dartmouth.edu ------- Cecilia Piccolo Tittemore Head, Cataloging and Metadata Services Dartmouth College Library 6025 Baker/Berry Library Hanover, NH 03755-3525 From maureen at camden.lib.nj.us Fri Jul 19 08:28:50 2002 From: maureen at camden.lib.nj.us (Wynkoop, Maureen) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: Automatic PC Signups Message-ID: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E9C57FA@app_server.camden.lib.nj.us> Hi, everyone, My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is anyone out there using something they really recommend? Anything they really hate? Any information we can get would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Maureen Wynkoop Information Technologies Camden County Library maureen@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us <http://www.camden.lib.nj.us/> ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US Fri Jul 19 11:29:18 2002 From: levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Jenny Levine) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Content Management - specifically Manila and Frontier References: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6C785@EX2> Message-ID: <018e01c22f39$0c979fe0$6302a8c0@sls.lib.il.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Content Management - specifically Manila and Frontier > Are any libraries using > the Frontier web server (http://frontier.userland.com/ ) and > the Manila content management system that comes with it? We're going to start implementing IdeaTools, which is an Italian software package based on Frontier. eVectors has an American partner that is translating the software into English and they're kind of using us as a guinea pig so we'll get a very customized solution for our intranet/extranet. I can't show you anything yet because we're just starting out, but I liked the ideas behind Frontier/Manila (automatic RSS feeds, news aggregation, and blogging in particular), but I wasn't happy with the Manila interface or its limitations. IdeaTools solves some of these problems, as well as providing us with multi-level authentication, ODBC connectors, personalization, and WYSIWYG editing in the browser. If you want to know more about Manila installations though, you could talk to David Carter-Tod (http://instructionaltechnology.editthispage.com/), Patrick Delaney (http://interactiveu.berkeley.edu:8000/PatD/), and Albert Delgado (http://radio.weblogs.com/0100504/). They're using it in education settings, but they might be able to answer your questions. eVectors: http://www.evectors.com/ IdeaTools: http://www.evectors.com/itideatools/story$num=172&sec=1 FuzzyGroup (American reseller): http://www.fuzzygroup.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny Levine 125 Tower Drive Internet Development Specialist Burr Ridge, IL 60527 Suburban Library System +1 (630) 734 5141 http://www.sls.lib.il.us/ levinej@sls.lib.il.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jul 19 11:57:32 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: ActiveX controls and Windows 2000 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718162903.024ea748@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3D3836EC.4CB177A4@tln.lib.mi.us> I've just been informed by my librarians that AncestryPlus is using a new plug-in for viewing the 1930 Census images. This plug-in is called the "Advanced Image Viewer". This new plugin apparently gives you much better control over the viewing and panning of the images. With IE, you can download and install the plugin. I did this logged on as Administrator on a PC running Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer 6 and Public Web Browser. When you browse to the appropriate page in AncestryPlus, the plugin loads automatically. However, when I logged in using our patron account, which has just "User" permissions, and browse to the page where I can check the plugin, I get an error stating that the security settings are preventing the ActiveX control from loading. Now, as far as I can remember, I haven't changed the security settings in the Internet Zone under this patron account. So those security settings within IE that control ActiveX controls should be the same for the patron account as they are for the Administrator. Is there somewhere else that the security settings could be blocking the ActiveX control from loading? Perhaps permissions on a directory? I haven't seen this problem with ActiveX controls on our public Internet computers, which have the same security setup. Thanks in advance! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From gprice at gwu.edu Fri Jul 19 12:34:16 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: Study: How College Students Use the Web Message-ID: <1027096456.3d383f882a57f@mail.spamcop.net> Hello from D.C. Some interesting and useful reading in The Chronicle today. "Survey Finds That Students Use the Web but Recognize Its Limitations" http://chronicle.com/free/2002/07/2002071901t.htm Some must read material that's also very scary. It's also more fuel for the "we need to do a better job marketing what we offer" fire. >From the article, The report, titled "OCLC White Paper on the Information Habits of College Students," says that almost 80 percent of the surveyed students use Internet search engines for "every" assignment or "most" assignments. That's far more than those who glean information from their library Web portals or their class Web sites, each of which comprised about 50 percent of the respondents." The Chronicle article also contains a few comments from Mark Y. Herring, a librarian at Withrop University. Herring says, "Anybody can put anything up, so you have a real danger of students doing a search on the Internet and getting the Unabomber's rantings about technology and using that in a paper as if they are the same as Neil Postman's [scholarly writings]. That's the problem -- students don't see the difference in that." The study also reports that only 20% of the students will go to a librarian for assistance when beginning their research. Herring blames librarians for this problem. He says, "Librarians are much to blame for this. Many of us have met the stereotypically dour librarian who can't get up or can't be bothered." You can access the full-text of the OCLC White Paper on the Information Habits of College Students http://www2.oclc.org/oclc/pdf/printondemand/informationhabits.pdf cheers, gary -- Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gary@freepint.com The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.freepint.com From maureen at camden.lib.nj.us Fri Jul 19 15:17:01 2002 From: maureen at camden.lib.nj.us (Wynkoop, Maureen) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: PC signup software Message-ID: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E9C5804@app_server.camden.lib.nj.us> Hi, everyone, My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is anyone out there using something they really recommend? Anything they really hate? Any information we can get would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Maureen Wynkoop Information Technologies Camden County Library maureen@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us From telias at scls.lib.wi.us Fri Jul 19 16:35:01 2002 From: telias at scls.lib.wi.us (Tana Elias) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: PC signup software Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020719152234.00a62b40@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> My library is also looking at automated PC signup - SAM (by Comprise) is one example. I hope responders to Maureen will reply to the list! Tana Elias, Web Librarian Madison Public Library 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 telias@scls.lib.wi.us 608-266-4953 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From king at julip.fcgov.com Fri Jul 19 16:47:00 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ActiveX controls and Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <3D3836EC.4CB177A4@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207191444210.23045-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Andrew, Our virus protection puts filters on ActiveX controls, perhaps this is your issue. Just a thought.... Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Andrew Mutch wrote: > I've just been informed by my librarians that AncestryPlus is using a new plug-in > for viewing the 1930 Census images. This plug-in is called the "Advanced Image > Viewer". This new plugin apparently gives you much better control over the viewing > and panning of the images. > > With IE, you can download and install the plugin. I did this logged on as > Administrator on a PC running Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer 6 and Public Web > Browser. When you browse to the appropriate page in AncestryPlus, the plugin loads > automatically. However, when I logged in using our patron account, which has just > "User" permissions, and browse to the page where I can check the plugin, I get an > error stating that the security settings are preventing the ActiveX control from > loading. > > Now, as far as I can remember, I haven't changed the security settings in the > Internet Zone under this patron account. So those security settings within IE that > control ActiveX controls should be the same for the patron account as they are for > the Administrator. Is there somewhere else that the security settings could be > blocking the ActiveX control from loading? Perhaps permissions on a directory? I > haven't seen this problem with ActiveX controls on our public Internet computers, > which have the same security setup. > > Thanks in advance! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > From mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca Fri Jul 19 17:07:58 2002 From: mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC signup software Message-ID: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F25D1@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Maureen, We've been using Library Online <http://www.sri.bc.ca/library.htm> for over three years now and are very happy with it. It was originally a custom product, written to our specifications, but has since assumed a life of it's own. Booking and management are both web based. I believe SRI can give you online access to a demo system. It probably wouldn't be cost effective to implement it for less than fifteen or twenty PCs, as it uses a SQL Server backend. However, at the other end, it scales to hundreds of PCs and dozens of locations and has been implemented in some very large library systems. Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Wynkoop, Maureen [mailto:maureen@camden.lib.nj.us] > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC signup software > > > Hi, everyone, > > My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is > anyone out there > using something they really recommend? Anything they really > hate? Any > information we can get would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Maureen Wynkoop > Information Technologies > Camden County Library > maureen@camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > > > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jul 19 17:46:57 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: Another tool for locking down IE 6 References: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F25D1@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Message-ID: <3D3888D1.9C3A65CB@tln.lib.mi.us> I recently came across this MS Knowledge Base article that might be of interest to those trying to keep Internet Explorer 6 locked down. It describes how to disable "third-party browser extensions" in IE 6. How to Disable Third-Party Tool Bands and Browser Helper Objects http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?id=kb;en-us;Q298931 I tested this with Yahoo! Companion and while it did not stop Yahoo! Companion from installing on the PC, it does prevent the Companion toolbar from loading in Internet Explorer. The same happens with the Google toolbar. Consider it one more tool in your box for stopping these applications. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From king at julip.fcgov.com Fri Jul 19 17:48:56 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: PC signup software In-Reply-To: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F25D1@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207191548370.23394-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Mark, What brand of web server does it use? Or does it just run through SQL? Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Mark Ellis wrote: > Maureen, > > We've been using Library Online <http://www.sri.bc.ca/library.htm> for over > three years now and are very happy with it. It was originally a custom > product, written to our specifications, but has since assumed a life of it's > own. Booking and management are both web based. > > I believe SRI can give you online access to a demo system. > > It probably wouldn't be cost effective to implement it for less than fifteen > or twenty PCs, as it uses a SQL Server backend. However, at the other end, > it scales to hundreds of PCs and dozens of locations and has been > implemented in some very large library systems. > > > Mark Ellis > Manager, Reference and Information Services > Richmond Public Library > Richmond, B.C. > (604) 231-6410 > www.yourlibrary.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wynkoop, Maureen [mailto:maureen@camden.lib.nj.us] > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:18 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC signup software > > > > > > Hi, everyone, > > > > My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is > > anyone out there > > using something they really recommend? Anything they really > > hate? Any > > information we can get would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Maureen Wynkoop > > Information Technologies > > Camden County Library > > maureen@camden.lib.nj.us > > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > > > > > > > > > > From mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca Fri Jul 19 18:22:34 2002 From: mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: PC signup software Message-ID: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F25D9@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> It runs on IIS. The executables use CGI not ISAPI, so they might well work with the Windows version of Apache, but the system is very much tied to Windows otherwise. From a support standpoint, I'm sure SRI would prefer that customers use IIS. Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacque King [mailto:king@julip.fcgov.com] > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:49 PM > To: Mark Ellis > Cc: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] RE: PC signup software > > > Mark, > What brand of web server does it use? Or does it just run through > SQL? > > Jacque King > Library Technical Support Specialist > Fort Collins Public Library > 201 Peterson Street > Fort Collins, CO 80524 > (970) 221-6716 > king@julip.fcgov.com > > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Mark Ellis wrote: > > > Maureen, > > > > We've been using Library Online > <http://www.sri.bc.ca/library.htm> for over > > three years now and are very happy with it. It was > originally a custom > > product, written to our specifications, but has since > assumed a life of it's > > own. Booking and management are both web based. > > > > I believe SRI can give you online access to a demo system. > > > > It probably wouldn't be cost effective to implement it for > less than fifteen > > or twenty PCs, as it uses a SQL Server backend. However, > at the other end, > > it scales to hundreds of PCs and dozens of locations and has been > > implemented in some very large library systems. > > > > > > Mark Ellis > > Manager, Reference and Information Services > > Richmond Public Library > > Richmond, B.C. > > (604) 231-6410 > > www.yourlibrary.ca > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wynkoop, Maureen [mailto:maureen@camden.lib.nj.us] > > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:18 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC signup software > > > > > > > > > Hi, everyone, > > > > > > My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is > > > anyone out there > > > using something they really recommend? Anything they really > > > hate? Any > > > information we can get would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Maureen Wynkoop > > > Information Technologies > > > Camden County Library > > > maureen@camden.lib.nj.us > > > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From king at julip.fcgov.com Fri Jul 19 18:25:44 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:40 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: PC signup software In-Reply-To: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F25D9@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207191625320.23961-100000@julip.fcgov.com> That's exactly what I needed to know Mark, thanks! Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Mark Ellis wrote: > It runs on IIS. The executables use CGI not ISAPI, so they might well work > with the Windows version of Apache, but the system is very much tied to > Windows otherwise. From a support standpoint, I'm sure SRI would prefer > that customers use IIS. > > Mark Ellis > Manager, Reference and Information Services > Richmond Public Library > Richmond, B.C. > (604) 231-6410 > www.yourlibrary.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jacque King [mailto:king@julip.fcgov.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:49 PM > > To: Mark Ellis > > Cc: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] RE: PC signup software > > > > > > Mark, > > What brand of web server does it use? Or does it just run through > > SQL? > > > > Jacque King > > Library Technical Support Specialist > > Fort Collins Public Library > > 201 Peterson Street > > Fort Collins, CO 80524 > > (970) 221-6716 > > king@julip.fcgov.com > > > > > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Mark Ellis wrote: > > > > > Maureen, > > > > > > We've been using Library Online > > <http://www.sri.bc.ca/library.htm> for over > > > three years now and are very happy with it. It was > > originally a custom > > > product, written to our specifications, but has since > > assumed a life of it's > > > own. Booking and management are both web based. > > > > > > I believe SRI can give you online access to a demo system. > > > > > > It probably wouldn't be cost effective to implement it for > > less than fifteen > > > or twenty PCs, as it uses a SQL Server backend. However, > > at the other end, > > > it scales to hundreds of PCs and dozens of locations and has been > > > implemented in some very large library systems. > > > > > > > > > Mark Ellis > > > Manager, Reference and Information Services > > > Richmond Public Library > > > Richmond, B.C. > > > (604) 231-6410 > > > www.yourlibrary.ca > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Wynkoop, Maureen [mailto:maureen@camden.lib.nj.us] > > > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:18 PM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC signup software > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, everyone, > > > > > > > > My library is looking at automatic PC signup software. Is > > > > anyone out there > > > > using something they really recommend? Anything they really > > > > hate? Any > > > > information we can get would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Maureen Wynkoop > > > > Information Technologies > > > > Camden County Library > > > > maureen@camden.lib.nj.us > > > > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Sat Jul 20 03:13:09 2002 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Steve Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:41 2005 Subject: Deadline for Submissions for the Next Samuel Swett Green Award is 7/25 Message-ID: <001c01c22fbc$eabf7c10$a9518144@unigraz.at> Friends, colleagues and fellow librarians. Just a reminder to the growing number of virtual reference librarians around the world, that the deadline for the next LSSI / Samuel Swett Green Award for Exemplary Virtual Reference Service is coming right up. Transcripts must be submitted by July 25th at 12:00 Midnight US Pacific Time to be considered for the August Award. Tamsin Bolton of the University of Winnipeg is the winner of June's award, and you can see her transcript at http://vrhome.virtualreference.net/greenaward.htm For those of you who may be new to the field, or who have short memories, LSSI established the Samuel Swett Green Award to recognize the efforts of individual librarians who have provided exemplary virtual reference service and to help foster and encourage the development of the highest standards of quality in live online reference. The Award is for $500 US, and is named in honor of Samuel Swett Green, the founder of reference services in the United States. It is presented every two months to the librarian who submits the best virtual reference transcript for that period. Transcripts are judged by panel of distinguished practitioners and researchers including: Marie Radford (Pratt Institute), Marianne Sweet (SJRLC), James Rettig (University of Richmond), Tracy Strobel (Clevenet), Ilene Rockman(Editor, Reference Services Review), Barbara Quint (Editor, Searcher Magazine), Amy VanScoy (NCSU) and Steve Coffman (LSSI). John Richardson, LSSI's Presidential Scholar, will chair this distinguished panel and will maintain the single blind review status of the award. In selecting the best electronic transcript of a chat or live and real time transaction (but not an email transaction), the panel considers relevant quality factors such as accuracy of the answer, user as well as librarian satisfaction, and utility of the answer to the user. Submitters should review the panel's checklist at http://purl.org/net/checklist and then submit their transcript to johnr@lssi.com with "LSSI Green" in the subject heading or enter online using our electronic submission form at http://vrhome.virtualreference.net/greenaward.htm. No matter which method you choose, please be sure to include all information requested in the checklist and to remove all personal information (both the patron's and the librarian's) from your transcript before you submit it. Candidates may send only one transcript per award period. The competition is open to all reference staff using any 'live' virtual reference software that can produce an electronic transcript; in other words, it is not just for librarians using LSSI Virtual Reference software. So hurry up and get those transcripts in, judging by the submissions we've received so far, it looks like the August Award is going to be very competitive and if you given some great virtual reference, we encourage you to submit your work. Sincerely, Steve Coffman On behalf of everybody on the Samuel Swett Green Award Team. From bridgef at co.chesterfield.va.us Tue Jul 23 08:29:25 2002 From: bridgef at co.chesterfield.va.us (Frank Bridge) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] virus checker for public computers References: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <3D3D4C24.4636ECEB@co.chesterfield.va.us> I have not noticed serious degradation of performance here with regard to Norton Anti-Virus. Also, my experiences with other anti-virus programs, particularly McAfee, were that I found them even more intrusive and perfermance-robbing. McAfee came as an OEM product on a Dell computer I purchased a number of years ago. When I complained to the Dell support staff about the performance degradation caused by McAfee, the support staff members told me that for their machines at work they had personally uninstalled McAfee and replaced it with Norton. They recommended that I do the same, and I have never regretted it. This is a pretty strong statement that Dell's own support staff chose to abandon an OEM product for another that cost them extra. In the succeeding years Dell replaced McAfee with Norton as Dell's OEM product. I have a new Gateway machine at home and the OEM product is Norton. I have noticed no degradation or delay in loading virus definitions. Stacy Pober wrote: > Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows > down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in updating > virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could > handle at the time.) > > I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, > such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used that > one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as > the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free version > on my home computers and have had no problems with it. > > Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? > > Best, > Stacy Pober > Information Alchemist > Manhattan College Library > http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ > stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ -- Frank R. Bridge, Technology Management Administrator Chesterfield County Public Library 9501 Lori Rd. PO Box 297 Chesterfield, VA 23832-0297 Voice: 804-748-1980 Fax: 804-751-4679 From leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us Tue Jul 23 08:42:52 2002 From: leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us (Lisa Leidig) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: virus checker for public computers In-Reply-To: <3D3D4C24.4636ECEB@co.chesterfield.va.us> Message-ID: <NEBBIHDGKLHMLGNCAGMGOELEDFAA.leidigl@ci.portsmouth.va.us> > Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows Stacy Pober wrote: > Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows > down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in updating > virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could > handle at the time.) > > I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, > such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used that > one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as > the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free version > on my home computers and have had no problems with it. > > Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? > I've had the same performance concerns with Norton's LiveUpdate and thankfully, there is a way around it. Intelligent Updater available on Symantec's website, will give you an executable update for Norton that you only have to download once. I burn a CD/zip with the file on it, and updating is so much easier for me. www.symantec.com/downloads At home, I'm using the Computer Associates anti-virus checker ($9.95 annually)and find it to be easier to use and less intrusive than any of the other AV packages. My only complaint is that I can't schedule updates with E-trust like I can with Norton. YMMV. Lisa Leidig, Microcomputer Analyst City of Portsmouth 757.393.8045 From bennetttm at appstate.edu Tue Jul 23 08:54:47 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] virus checker for public computers In-Reply-To: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHOEJPFGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> We are using McAfee in most of the library because it is licensed campus wide and prefered by campus network computing. On machines that matter (mine and my servers) I run Command Antivirus, this is the F-Prot engine. McAfee has the same slow down problem that you mentioned if you set it to cover internet, email, and the local machine. Command Antivirus is licensed by the State of North Carolina so I am running it under that license. I have found that Command Antivirus does not slow the normal process down as the others do and the update is simple. I believe the URL is http://www.commandcom.com where you can download a trial version to test it. You can also contact Vicky Poulin, vpoulin@commandsoftware.com , if you have any questions. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Stacy Pober Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] virus checker for public computers Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in updating virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could handle at the time.) I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used that one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free version on my home computers and have had no problems with it. Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? Best, Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Library http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ stacy.pober@manhattan.edu ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 23 09:14:24 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] virus checker for public computers References: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <3D3D56B0.86C808C1@tln.lib.mi.us> Stacy, I'll put in a plug for F-Secure. We run it on all of our PCs and on our servers. I am very satisfied with it. I haven't noticed any performance drag from it and we have a it running on a wide range of computers with Windows 98, NT 4 and 2000. I looked at several of the enterprise products before settling on F-Secure. F-Secure runs from a central server which can be used to manage all of the client PCs and servers. The clients poll the server for updates and automatically download new updates when they become available. All of this is done via HTTP which helps simplify firewall issues. It also makes it a lot easier to manage remote clients on slow or remote LAN/WAN connections. Among the features I like about F-Secure are: * Server automatically downloads new updates from F-Secure * Clients automatically download new updates from server * Ability to create multiple "policies" for different groups of computers - this allows us to lockdown the interface on public PCs but allow more access on staff PCs. * Manage computers based on computer name, not user name. * Ability to manage all clients from a single administrative module, which can be run remotely from the central server. Many of the competitors also have these features. But F-Secure seemed to have the best overall package. The features that helped us select F-Secure over the competition included: * Daily updates of definition files - F-Secure seems to do a better job of having updates available quickly. * Experience with F-Prot: In the past, we had used the F-Prot free DOS scanner when our previous anti-virus solution failed to pick up a virus. Almost every time, F-Prot picked up the viruses that our other product missed. * License covers all aspects of your network. Our F-Secure license allows us to install it on all of our PCs, servers, firewall and Exchange Server. Although we use other solutions for our firewall and Exchange server, I like that they offer that all under one license. Let me know if you have any questions! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Stacy Pober wrote: > Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows > down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in updating > virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could > handle at the time.) > > I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, > such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used that > one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as > the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free version > on my home computers and have had no problems with it. > > Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? > > Best, > Stacy Pober > Information Alchemist > Manhattan College Library > http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ > stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Tue Jul 23 10:00:55 2002 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] virus checker for public computers In-Reply-To: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723085652.01e22648@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> I too was using the free AVG product at home - but just a week after I installed it, either PC Magazine or PC Week did a review of antivirus software, including AVG, and slammed it severely, basically saying it was not worth the trouble of installing it (sorry, I can't be more specific about where and when the article appeared - I read it, noted it and moved on). Anyway, it put the fear into me sufficiently that I moved to a paid product. At 11:05 PM 7/22/2002 -0700, Stacy Pober wrote: >Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it >slows >down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in >updating >virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could >handle at the time.) > >I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, >such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used >that >one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as >the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free >version >on my home computers and have had no problems with it. > >Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? > >Best, >Stacy Pober >Information Alchemist >Manhattan College Library >http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ >stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From king at julip.fcgov.com Tue Jul 23 10:54:10 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: prevent browsing the web with Windows Explorer..? Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207230848370.5179-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Do any of you know how to disable using Windows Explorer as a web browser? I want folks to be able to use "My Computer" to view their floppies without allowing them to use the "address bar" for entering URLs. Any ideas would be appreciated! Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 23 10:57:38 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: Hacking Linux websites Message-ID: <311731285697.20020723085738@riverofdata.com> This from today's ComputerWorld. And NO, I have no interest in getting into a discussion of the pros and cons of the different OSes, having a flame war, etc. Just thought it would be of interest. dan Sharp Rise In Web Site Defacements On Linux Servers Defacements of Linux-based Web sites this year already outnumber all of last year, while Microsoft IIS-based site defacements are down. http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C72867%2C0.html?nlid=WS ________________________________________________________ -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! Be competitive, intense, and accountable. From rich at richardwiggins.com Tue Jul 23 11:03:25 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: Seeking current AltaVista Search customers Message-ID: <20020723080326.23423.h006.c001.wm@mail.richardwiggins.com.criticalpath.net> We are considering making Google our default campus search engine, deprecating our local AltaVista service. I'm seeking institutions that use AltaVista software (either the AltaVista Search product or the new AltaVista Enterprise product). I'm especially hoping to find library or university sites that use AltaVista as an end-user search tool -- and that are still paying maintenance on the product. However, I'd love to hear from ANY customer -- law firm library, public library, auto company, whatever -- that uses AltaVista software. A few months ago I asked the company to provide me with a list of current university customers. They gave me two; one has since switched to Ultraseek, and the other wants to switch to Google but hasn't because they made a local investment in AV. Please send me a private note and if I get responses I'll summarize. /rich ____________________________________________________ Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 23 11:13:17 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hacking Linux websites In-Reply-To: <311731285697.20020723085738@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207231109060.20264-100000@overlord.tln.org> One point that was not mentioned but would be worth someone's time to explore is a comparison of the severity of the hack of a Linux box versus a Windows box. The typical IIS hack is often indicative of someone who has full control over the Windows OS.I doubt that occurs to the same degree with Linux simply due to the nature of the OS. But it would be worth exploring. What is not new news is that administrators who don't keep their servers patched are going to pay for it. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Dan Lester wrote: > This from today's ComputerWorld. > > And NO, I have no interest in getting into a discussion of the pros > and cons of the different OSes, having a flame war, etc. Just thought > it would be of interest. > > dan > > Sharp Rise In Web Site Defacements On Linux Servers > > Defacements of Linux-based Web sites this year already outnumber all > of last year, while Microsoft IIS-based site defacements are down. > > http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C72867%2C0.html?nlid=WS > > ________________________________________________________ > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > Be competitive, intense, and accountable. > > From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Tue Jul 23 11:31:56 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Hacking Linux websites Message-ID: <E17X1dk-0004rF-00@mailhost.yaknet> Wow, that's a really good question and something I never pondered. I would *think* that you're correct. Most of the stuff I've seen involving hacks on both sides of the OS do tend to be radically different. From what I've seen, to hack a Windows box, a script kiddie runs a script to try and exploit a hole in Windows security to gain some kind of administrative access. While on a Linux box, they tend to exploit a security hole to simply change something. Most of the time, at least from what I've seen and read, Linux hackers don't get admin access half as often as Windows hackers. I could be wrong, but this is what I've seen recently. Regardless, you're 100% right on the last point. Even Linux boxes need patching and I think some admins forget that simply because Linux does offer better security in most instances. They lose sight of the idea that, an exploit is an exploit, no matter what the OS. The first thing I did after installing Linux on one of my home systems was to hit the web and get the latest updates. And I still tend to do that at LEAST once a week, on both my Windows and Red Hat computers. You can never be too careful. Dan "Andrew I. Mutch" <amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us> said: > One point that was not mentioned but would be worth someone's time to > explore is a comparison of the severity of the hack of a Linux box versus > a Windows box. The typical IIS hack is often indicative of someone who has > full control over the Windows OS.I doubt that occurs to the same degree > with Linux simply due to the nature of the OS. But it would be worth > exploring. What is not new news is that administrators who don't keep > their servers patched are going to pay for it. > > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Assistant Circulation Manager Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrl.org 509-452-8541 ext 761 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect. -Benny Hill From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jul 23 11:53:01 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hacking Linux websites In-Reply-To: <311731285697.20020723085738@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020723114542.00b2d008@ohiolink.edu> At 08:04 AM 7/23/2002 -0700, Dan Lester wrote: >This from today's ComputerWorld. Far be it for me even to consider that the popular computing industry press might go on a fishing expedition to generate an eye-catching headline, but has anyone run across this mi2g company before? Our computing database only pulls up one other reference to them, unrelated to web site cracking. Obviously, with any platform you need to keep an eye on security (time for another PHP upgrade, btw). I'm not questioning that, just curious about where this report is really coming from. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From rbarker at ciis.edu Tue Jul 23 12:39:40 2002 From: rbarker at ciis.edu (Robyn Barker) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: virus checker for public computers Message-ID: <4E76CD772572464A9DF72B3B0F85BE1A0CA330@athena.ciis.edu> PC Magazine, in an article called "Personal Antivirus." Citation is PC Magazine (Jun 11, 2002): p. 98. Robyn Barker Systems Librarian California Institute of Integral Studies 1453 Mission St. San Francisco, CA 94103 -----Original Message----- From: Robin Boulton [mailto:rboulton@linc.lib.il.us] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: virus checker for public computers I too was using the free AVG product at home - but just a week after I installed it, either PC Magazine or PC Week did a review of antivirus software, including AVG, and slammed it severely, basically saying it was not worth the trouble of installing it (sorry, I can't be more specific about where and when the article appeared - I read it, noted it and moved on). Anyway, it put the fear into me sufficiently that I moved to a paid product. At 11:05 PM 7/22/2002 -0700, Stacy Pober wrote: >Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it >slows >down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in >updating >virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could >handle at the time.) > >I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, >such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used >that >one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as >the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free >version >on my home computers and have had no problems with it. > >Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? > >Best, >Stacy Pober >Information Alchemist >Manhattan College Library >http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ >stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From king at julip.fcgov.com Tue Jul 23 15:17:01 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: Pharos Signup "Environments" Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207231314490.8166-100000@julip.fcgov.com> I would like to hear from any library using Pharos Signup "environments". Pharos says they can provide filtered/nonfiltered Internet based on library card by presenting different "environments" to a user. If you use this, I would appreciate talking with you. Thanks, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 23 17:31:35 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ActiveX controls and Windows 2000 References: <3D3836EC.4CB177A4@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3D3DCB37.6008A86D@tln.lib.mi.us> I recently posted the question below about being unable to run ActiveX controls while logged on as a User on Windows2000. I found the relevant MS KB article that covers this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q240897 Unfortunately, we don't use either of the MS technologies listed to work around this problem. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to workaround this problem? Giving patrons Power User permissions, which does allow the ActiveX control to run is not an option. I've also found that you can set permissions on the folder where ActiveX controls are stored in Windows2000, "Downloaded Program Files" (in Winnt\). Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Andrew Mutch wrote: > I've just been informed by my librarians that AncestryPlus is using a new plug-in > for viewing the 1930 Census images. This plug-in is called the "Advanced Image > Viewer". This new plugin apparently gives you much better control over the viewing > and panning of the images. > > With IE, you can download and install the plugin. I did this logged on as > Administrator on a PC running Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer 6 and Public Web > Browser. When you browse to the appropriate page in AncestryPlus, the plugin loads > automatically. However, when I logged in using our patron account, which has just > "User" permissions, and browse to the page where I can check the plugin, I get an > error stating that the security settings are preventing the ActiveX control from > loading. > > Now, as far as I can remember, I haven't changed the security settings in the > Internet Zone under this patron account. So those security settings within IE that > control ActiveX controls should be the same for the patron account as they are for > the Administrator. Is there somewhere else that the security settings could be > blocking the ActiveX control from loading? Perhaps permissions on a directory? I > haven't seen this problem with ActiveX controls on our public Internet computers, > which have the same security setup. > > Thanks in advance! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Tue Jul 23 18:48:35 2002 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: Popups Message-ID: <02Jul23.174525mdt.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> I have a library that is having a problem with pornographic pop up windows. The problem is that it is happening even after the browser is closed and re-opened and the user is at a "tame" site. While I was on the phone with them, a user was at Yahoo and a questionable window popped up. I had her go through the installed software and nothing seems out of the ordinary. Has anyone had this happen? I'm a distance away from them so any troubleshooting is by phone. Thanks in advance! --------------------------- Michelle Rempel Peace Library System From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Tue Jul 23 19:21:47 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Popups Message-ID: <E17X8yR-0000el-00@mailhost.yaknet> I've had this happen before on a slower computer and figured that it had something to do with the speed of the processor and lack of RAM. Maybe it's a lag time in a browser pop up or something. In other words, you hit the site with the pop up, close the main browser and the pop up and reopen the main browser. While this is happening the hard disk is happily churning away and loading up the next pop up that the first pop us was set to launch upon being closed, at least that's my theory. But then again, I've gotten some pretty questionable pop ups on Yahoo regardless. As for what to do, you might look into installing a pop up killing programme or an anti advertisement programme like Ad-Aware. Or, my personal favourite is to use Mozilla 1.0. It has an option that you can set to not launch any pop ups which were not specifically requested by a mouse click. Very nice. :) Dan Michelle Rempel <mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> said: > I have a library that is having a problem with pornographic pop up > windows. The problem is that it is happening even after the browser is > closed and re-opened and the user is at a "tame" site. While I was on the > phone with them, a user was at Yahoo and a questionable window popped > up. I had her go through the installed software and nothing seems out of > the ordinary. Has anyone had this happen? I'm a distance away from them > so any troubleshooting is by phone. > > Thanks in advance! > > --------------------------- > Michelle Rempel > Peace Library System > > > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Assistant Circulation Manager Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrl.org 509-452-8541 ext 761 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect. -Benny Hill From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Jul 23 19:41:41 2002 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups In-Reply-To: <E17X8yR-0000el-00@mailhost.yaknet> Message-ID: <20020723163911.F18161-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Michelle, this sounds a bit like the JS/NoClose virus. More info may be found at http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99279 Most standard anti-virus software should catch this if properly executed. I may be way off base...hope this helps. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Daniel Messer wrote: > I've had this happen before on a slower computer and figured that it had > something to do with the speed of the processor and lack of RAM. Maybe it's a > lag time in a browser pop up or something. In other words, you hit the site > with the pop up, close the main browser and the pop up and reopen the main > browser. While this is happening the hard disk is happily churning away and > loading up the next pop up that the first pop us was set to launch upon being > closed, at least that's my theory. > But then again, I've gotten some pretty questionable pop ups on Yahoo > regardless. As for what to do, you might look into installing a pop up killing > programme or an anti advertisement programme like Ad-Aware. Or, my personal > favourite is to use Mozilla 1.0. It has an option that you can set to not > launch any pop ups which were not specifically requested by a mouse click. > Very nice. :) > > Dan > > Michelle Rempel <mrempel@peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> said: > > > I have a library that is having a problem with pornographic pop up > > windows. The problem is that it is happening even after the browser is > > closed and re-opened and the user is at a "tame" site. While I was on the > > phone with them, a user was at Yahoo and a questionable window popped > > up. I had her go through the installed software and nothing seems out of > > the ordinary. Has anyone had this happen? I'm a distance away from them > > so any troubleshooting is by phone. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > --------------------------- > > Michelle Rempel > > Peace Library System > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mondai wa > The subject in question... > ------------- > Daniel Messer > Assistant Circulation Manager > Yakima Valley Regional Library > dmesser@yvrl.org > 509-452-8541 ext 761 > 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 > ----------- > When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. > -Hunter S. Thompson > Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect. > -Benny Hill > > > From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Wed Jul 24 07:30:04 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: pwb and win2000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724073002.00a6e590@pop3.norton.antivirus> We have a set of Windows 2000 PC's for public use that will soon be connected to the internet via DSL, rather than through our regular library network. We will be running the Public Web Browser and most likely Clean Sweep (or other software that resets everything on booting.) These computers will have 3 logins. 1:) patron - a USER for the public. This will be the 'auto log' when booted. 2:) Trainee - a POWER USER to use when we do staff training on them. 3:) Administrator We do want to use the Windows Policy Editor to limit some things such as Outlook. Our hope is to be able to avoid running WinSelect which we believe interfers with our print management system and such. Has anyone out there had that kind of setup? Could you please let me know off line and I can summarize if people are interested. Thanks. Isabel Isabel Danforth danforth@alumni.tufts.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Jul 24 07:58:09 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups In-Reply-To: <E17X8yR-0000el-00@mailhost.yaknet> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724075427.01f63bf0@ohiolink.edu> At 04:26 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, Daniel Messer wrote: >... Or, my personal >favourite is to use Mozilla 1.0. It has an option that you can set to not >launch any pop ups which were not specifically requested by a mouse click. >Very nice. :) Until you run Netscape 7.0PR1, which not only doesn't have this option, but silently resets it in Mozilla. AOLTW has to keep the popup ad revenues flowing, I guess. Opera also has an option to disable popups, though its option also disables creating new windows through link targets. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mtruitt at nd.edu Wed Jul 24 08:17:03 2002 From: mtruitt at nd.edu (Marc Truitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724075427.01f63bf0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3D3E9ABF.5010404@nd.edu> Okay, silly question time... I'd *love* to kill the popups, if I could only find the option. I went looking through my Mozilla preferences last night. Either I looked straight at the option several times and failed to see it, or it is labelled in a fashion that is less than fully intuitive to me. In either case, I'm sorry to say that I missed it. Would someone please tell me exactly where in Preferences I can set this option? I'm running Mozilla 1.0 on RH7.2. Thanks in advance, - mt -- ************************************************************************** Marc Truitt Head Library Systems Department 213 Hesburgh Library University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46556-5629 Voice : 574-631-3409 Fax : 574-631-6772 e-mail : mtruitt@nd.edu cell : 574-276-8726 "Librarians are different. You just have to get over it, and move on..." -- James Steenbergen ************************************************************************** Thomas Dowling wrote: > At 04:26 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, Daniel Messer wrote: > >>... Or, my personal >>favourite is to use Mozilla 1.0. It has an option that you can set to not >>launch any pop ups which were not specifically requested by a mouse click. >>Very nice. :) > > > Until you run Netscape 7.0PR1, which not only doesn't have this option, but > silently resets it in Mozilla. AOLTW has to keep the popup ad revenues > flowing, I guess. > > Opera also has an option to disable popups, though its option also disables > creating new windows through link targets. > > > Thomas Dowling > Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From mcreech at jhu.edu Wed Jul 24 08:18:59 2002 From: mcreech at jhu.edu (Mike Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: Popups Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724081224.00b07ec0@flux.mse.jhu.edu> I have found that Pop-Up Stopper from www.panicware.com works rather well. It will allow the user to open a new window or to click on a link that results in a new window opening by pressing the Ctrl key when they click their mouse. Mike Creech Web Development Coordinator Milton S. Eisenhower Library Johns Hopkins University mcreech@jhu.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Jul 24 08:39:18 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups In-Reply-To: <3D3E9ABF.5010404@nd.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724083536.01f78ca0@ohiolink.edu> At 05:18 AM 7/24/2002 -0700, Marc Truitt wrote: >Okay, silly question time... > >I'd *love* to kill the popups, if I could only find the option. I went >looking through my Mozilla preferences last night. Either I looked >straight at the option several times and failed to see it, or it is >labelled in a fashion that is less than fully intuitive to me. In >either case, I'm sorry to say that I missed it. Would someone please >tell me exactly where in Preferences I can set this option? I'm running >Mozilla 1.0 on RH7.2. Assuming the preference options are the same on Linux as on Windows (that's part of the point, right?): Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Scripts and Windows. The option to disable is "Open unrequested windows." I also disable "Change status bar text" since that's a Javascript trick I find particularly unpalatable. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mtruitt at nd.edu Wed Jul 24 08:50:43 2002 From: mtruitt at nd.edu (Marc Truitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724083536.01f78ca0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3D3EA2A3.8010705@nd.edu> Many thanks to Andrew Mutch (who replied off-list), Jenne Heise and Tom Dowling for their quick and helpful answers. And yes, the option is the same in the Linux version... I simply didn't recognize it. regards, - mt Thomas Dowling wrote: > At 05:18 AM 7/24/2002 -0700, Marc Truitt wrote: > >>Okay, silly question time... >> >>I'd *love* to kill the popups, if I could only find the option. I went >>looking through my Mozilla preferences last night. Either I looked >>straight at the option several times and failed to see it, or it is >>labelled in a fashion that is less than fully intuitive to me. In >>either case, I'm sorry to say that I missed it. Would someone please >>tell me exactly where in Preferences I can set this option? I'm running >>Mozilla 1.0 on RH7.2. > > > > Assuming the preference options are the same on Linux as on Windows (that's > part of the point, right?): > > Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Scripts and Windows. The option to disable is > "Open unrequested windows." I also disable "Change status bar text" since > that's a Javascript trick I find particularly unpalatable. > > > > Thomas Dowling > Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From DobbsA at apsu.edu Wed Jul 24 09:30:43 2002 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: ActiveX controls in Windows2000 Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91F05D@exchange.apsu.edu> Andrew, The "Cause" in the article you linked: "This behavior can occur if you do not have permission to write to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry hive or the Downloaded Program Files folder on your computer." indicates you must have write or modify (probably modify) permissions to both locations to run their activeX. Administrators have full cotrol of the registry hives, so the activeX control works fine. Users do not. You said you changed the permissions of the "Downloaded Program Files" folder, you also need to determine where AncestryPlus is trying to modify the registry (the specific folder in the hive, which hopefully is nested pretty deep) and grant the Users modify permissions to that folder. Another possibly easier way might be to add the AncestryPlus site to the "Trusted sites" zone in IE. Tools --> Internet Options --> Security -- Trusted Sites --> Sites --> Add I haven't found an easier way in Netscape, though. -Aaron :-)' -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@WATERFORD.LIB.MI.US] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:24 AM To: LIBNT-L@LISTSERV.UTK.EDU Subject: ActiveX controls in Windows2000 Hi all, I posted this message to Web4Lib but thought someone here might be able to help too. See more details below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - I recently posted the question below about being unable to run ActiveX controls while logged on as a User on Windows2000. I found the relevant MS KB article that covers this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q240897 Unfortunately, we don't use either of the MS technologies listed to work around this problem. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to workaround this problem? Giving patrons Power User permissions, which does allow the ActiveX control to run is not an option. I've also found that you can set permissions on the folder where ActiveX controls are stored in Windows2000, "Downloaded Program Files" (in Winnt\). Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Andrew Mutch wrote: > I've just been informed by my librarians that AncestryPlus is using a new plug-in > for viewing the 1930 Census images. This plug-in is called the "Advanced Image > Viewer". This new plugin apparently gives you much better control over the viewing > and panning of the images. > > With IE, you can download and install the plugin. I did this logged on as > Administrator on a PC running Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer 6 and Public Web > Browser. When you browse to the appropriate page in AncestryPlus, the plugin loads > automatically. However, when I logged in using our patron account, which has just > "User" permissions, and browse to the page where I can check the plugin, I get an > error stating that the security settings are preventing the ActiveX control from > loading. > > Now, as far as I can remember, I haven't changed the security settings in the > Internet Zone under this patron account. So those security settings within IE that > control ActiveX controls should be the same for the patron account as they are for > the Administrator. Is there somewhere else that the security settings could be > blocking the ActiveX control from loading? Perhaps permissions on a directory? I > haven't seen this problem with ActiveX controls on our public Internet computers, > which have the same security setup. > > Thanks in advance! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jul 24 09:38:00 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: ActiveX controls in Windows2000 In-Reply-To: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91F05D@exchange.apsu.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207240934160.19330-100000@overlord.tln.org> Aaron, Actually, you can't modify the permissions on the folder "Downloaded Program Files". It's a special folder marked with the IE "e" I'm not sure what Windows calls such a folder. "Offline Web Pages" is of the same variety. I thought of changing the permissions on the necessary registry keys where IE is trying to write. Suggestions on the easiest way to figure that out? I know there is a utility that allows you to watch registry activity but the name escapes me at the moment. I'll try the Internet Zone trick but I don't think that gets past the basic registry writing issue. Thanks for the suggestions! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Dobbs, Aaron wrote: > Andrew, > > The "Cause" in the article you linked: > "This behavior can occur if you do not have > permission to write to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > registry hive or the Downloaded Program Files > folder on your computer." > indicates you must have write or modify (probably modify) permissions to > both locations to run their activeX. > Administrators have full cotrol of the registry hives, so the activeX > control works fine. > Users do not. You said you changed the permissions of the "Downloaded > Program Files" folder, you also need to determine where AncestryPlus is > trying to modify the registry (the specific folder in the hive, which > hopefully is nested pretty deep) and grant the Users modify permissions to > that folder. > > Another possibly easier way might be to add the AncestryPlus site to the > "Trusted sites" zone in IE. Tools --> Internet Options --> Security -- > Trusted Sites --> Sites --> Add > I haven't found an easier way in Netscape, though. > > -Aaron > :-)' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@WATERFORD.LIB.MI.US] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:24 AM > To: LIBNT-L@LISTSERV.UTK.EDU > Subject: ActiveX controls in Windows2000 > > > Hi all, > > I posted this message to Web4Lib but thought someone here might be able to > help too. > See more details below. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > I recently posted the question below about being unable to run ActiveX > controls > while > logged on as a User on Windows2000. I found the relevant MS KB article that > covers > this: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q240897 > > Unfortunately, we don't use either of the MS technologies listed to work > around this > > problem. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to workaround this problem? > Giving > patrons Power User permissions, which does allow the ActiveX control to run > is not > an > option. I've also found that you can set permissions on the folder where > ActiveX > controls are stored in Windows2000, "Downloaded Program Files" (in Winnt\). > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > Andrew Mutch wrote: > > > I've just been informed by my librarians that AncestryPlus is using a new > plug-in > > for viewing the 1930 Census images. This plug-in is called the "Advanced > Image > > Viewer". This new plugin apparently gives you much better control over the > viewing > > > and panning of the images. > > > > With IE, you can download and install the plugin. I did this logged on as > > Administrator on a PC running Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer 6 and > Public Web > > Browser. When you browse to the appropriate page in AncestryPlus, the > plugin loads > > > automatically. However, when I logged in using our patron account, which > has just > > "User" permissions, and browse to the page where I can check the plugin, I > get an > > error stating that the security settings are preventing the ActiveX > control from > > loading. > > > > Now, as far as I can remember, I haven't changed the security settings in > the > > Internet Zone under this patron account. So those security settings within > IE that > > > control ActiveX controls should be the same for the patron account as they > are for > > > the Administrator. Is there somewhere else that the security settings > could be > > blocking the ActiveX control from loading? Perhaps permissions on a > directory? I > > haven't seen this problem with ActiveX controls on our public Internet > computers, > > which have the same security setup. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Andrew Mutch > > Library Systems Technician > > Waterford Township Public Library > > Waterford, MI > From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Wed Jul 24 10:48:42 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: ActiveX controls in Windows2000 In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207240934160.19330-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <014b01c23321$34b3c850$68601681@digilib> Taking a browse through REGEDIT I found the key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer/Volu meCaches/Downloaded Program Files for which the Description is: Downloaded Program Files are ActiveX controls and Java applets downloaded automatically from the Internet when you view certain pages. They are temporarily stored in the Downloaded Program Files folder on your hard disk. The contents of my C:/WINNT/Downloaded Program Files/ appears to be composed primarily of CODECs and other ActiveX controls for various multimedia file types that IE does not handle on its own. Other content may include controls for add-in tool bars for IE and other MS programs. It is also the location set for: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/Internet Settings/ActiveX Cache And, it is more than likely referenced for at least one listing in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/SharedDLLs It's amazing what you can learn with RegEdit. D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> (216)368-0559 Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ "Follow the white rabbit." From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Wed Jul 24 10:50:26 2002 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724081224.00b07ec0@flux.mse.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <02Jul24.094704mdt.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Thanks to everyone who responded! I'm going to get them to run Ad-Aware first. I ran it on my home machine last night and was shocked to see what was on there. If that alone doesn't do it, I will get them to install some kind of pop up killer. I've used Pop Up Killer and found that it closed down things that I didn't want it to. I tried Pow! from Analog X last night and it works well except you have to tell it which windows you don't want. Is there a happy medium? Do you have recommendations as to what works in your library? Michelle At 06:20 AM 7/24/02, you wrote: >I have found that Pop-Up Stopper from www.panicware.com works rather >well. It will allow the user to open a new window or to click on a link >that results in a new window opening by pressing the Ctrl key when they >click their mouse. > >Mike Creech >Web Development Coordinator >Milton S. Eisenhower Library >Johns Hopkins University >mcreech@jhu.edu From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Wed Jul 24 11:04:00 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: ActiveX controls in Windows 2000 Message-ID: <014f01c23323$58080df0$68601681@digilib> Taking a browse through REGEDIT I found the key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer/Volu meCaches/Downloaded Program Files for which the Description is: Downloaded Program Files are ActiveX controls and Java applets downloaded automatically from the Internet when you view certain pages. They are temporarily stored in the Downloaded Program Files folder on your hard disk. The contents of my C:/WINNT/Downloaded Program Files/ appears to be composed primarily of CODECs and other ActiveX controls for various multimedia file types that IE does not handle on its own. Other content may include controls for add-in tool bars for IE and other MS programs. It is also the location set for: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/Internet Settings/ActiveX Cache And, it is more than likely referenced for at least one listing in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Classes/Windows/CurrentVersion/SharedDLLs It's amazing what you can learn with RegEdit. D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> (216)368-0559 Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ "Follow the white rabbit." D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> (216)368-0559 Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ "Follow the white rabbit." From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Wed Jul 24 11:21:30 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups Message-ID: <E17XNxC-0001Yg-00@mailhost.yaknet> Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> said: > At 04:26 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, Daniel Messer wrote: > >... Or, my personal > >favourite is to use Mozilla 1.0. It has an option that you can set to not > >launch any pop ups which were not specifically requested by a mouse click. > >Very nice. :) > > Until you run Netscape 7.0PR1, which not only doesn't have this option, but > silently resets it in Mozilla. AOLTW has to keep the popup ad revenues > flowing, I guess. > > Opera also has an option to disable popups, though its option also disables > creating new windows through link targets. I did not know that! It's kind of sad to see what Netscape has become. I use Opera at home almost exclusively and the "feature" you speak of is really the only peeve I have about the browser. I hope Opera fixes this soon because it was a great idea that got half baked. It should work like it does in Mozilla 1.0, but oh well, I can wait. In its defense though, Opera at least offers the option of opening up new windows within the browser "desktop." That's one of the things that makes it so fast, because it's merely spawning another browser window, and NOT another browser proper. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Assistant Circulation Manager Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrl.org 509-452-8541 ext 761 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect. -Benny Hill From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Wed Jul 24 13:07:03 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Popups In-Reply-To: <02Jul24.094704mdt.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Message-ID: <3D3EA677.13397.43AF94E@localhost> > I've used Pop Up Killer and found that it closed > down things that I didn't want it to. I tried Pow! from Analog X last > night and it works well except you have to tell it which windows you don't > want. Is there a happy medium? Do you have recommendations as to what > works in your library? POW works very well for us, but as you say, you have to tell it which windows to kill. We have the kill list file kept on a server and all of our machines access the same file. Staff have the ability to add to the list, while the public does not, but all share it. It doesn't get rid of all popups by any means, but you only have to be bothered by them once. What we need now is a POW users group to share kill lists with one another! Bill Teschek Assistant Director Lane Memorial Library 2 Academy Ave. Hampton, NH 03842 bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us (603)-926-3368 (603)-926-1348 (fax) http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us From sbarribeau at library.wisc.edu Wed Jul 24 13:43:46 2002 From: sbarribeau at library.wisc.edu (Susan Barribeau) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: Job: Reference/Instruction/Web Resources Librarian - Wisconsin Message-ID: <3D3EE752.F946705@library.wisc.edu> UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON Position Vacancy Listing #42588 Working title: Reference/Instruction/Web Resources Librarian Official title: ACADEMIC LIBRARIAN (R04DN) or ASSOC ACAD LIBRARIAN (R04FN) Degree and area of specialization: ALA Accredited MLS. Minimum number of years and type of relevant work experience: Reference experience or related course work; demonstrated experience creating Web pages; superior oral and written communication skills are required. Experience teaching or speaking before groups; experience with current Web authoring tools; experience with software support and/or training; ability to work independently and as part of a team are desired. Principal duties: Under the direction of the UW-Madison Memorial Library Head of Reference, this position provides general and specialized reference service both in-person and virtually, in the regular rotation at the Memorial Library Reference Desk, including some evenings and weekends. Teaches library instruction, ranging from beginning undergraduate to graduate level courses. Assists with the development and maintenance of instructional resources and assists staff in exploring, evaluating, and using reference and instructional web-based applications and web development. Responsible for the oversight, development and maintenance of the Memorial Library Web site; monitoring and complying with Web related standards and conventions; integrating usability studies in Web development; coordinating library content creation and staff Web training. Develops and maintains Web sites and templates for library public service units within Memorial Library, including reference and information services, access services, and the other units within the public services division. Includes responsibility for library content and technical development. In coordination with other library professional staff, trains and supports public services staff in the use of software. A period of evaluation will be required ************************* Appointment type: Academic Staff Department(s): LIBR / REFRNC& INFO SVC Full time salary rate: Minimum $36,475 ANNUAL (12 months) Depending on Qualifications Term: This is a renewable appointment. Appointment percent: 100% Anticipated begin date: SEPTEMBER 01, 2002 Number of positions: 1 To insure consideration, application must be received by: AUGUST 16, 2002 HOW TO APPLY: Send resume and cover letter referring to Position Vacancy Listing #42588 to: SANDRA GUTHRIE Phone: 608-262-8190 PERSONNEL DIRECTOR TTY: N/A 365 MEMORIAL LIBRARY Fax: 608-265-2754 728 STATE STREET Email: sguthrie@library.wisc.edu MADISON WI 53706-1494 NOTE: Unless confidentiality is requested in writing, information regarding the names of applicants must be released upon request. Finalists cannot be guaranteed confidentiality. UW-Madison is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. We promote excellence through diversity and encourage all qualified individuals to apply. From JGriffin at ci.berkeley.ca.us Wed Jul 24 15:47:00 2002 From: JGriffin at ci.berkeley.ca.us (Griffin, Jackie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture Message-ID: <200207241956.MAA02949@webjunction.org> I checked the archives and see that this has been addressed before, but it does not appear to have been really answered. Are any of you using privacy screens? If so, what brand and model and what do you think of them? Have any of you heard of any particular screen that sounds good? Price is not the issue. Well, of course it is, this is a library, but we would pay for effectiveness. Also, has anyone devised particularly effective furniture or purchased furniture that enhanced privacy? Thanks! Jackie Griffin Director of Library Services Berkeley Public Library Berkeley. CA 510-644-6095 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From king at julip.fcgov.com Wed Jul 24 16:24:39 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture In-Reply-To: <200207241956.MAA02949@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207241421080.15738-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Hi Jackie, We use 3M Privacy screens. They come in all sizes and are usually around $300 /ea. They have been quite effective although, if you are standing directly behind them, you can see what is on the user's screen. Off to the side, you can not see a thing. We order ours from Office Depot, but I'm sure you can get them just about anywhere. They also clean very easily with rubbing alcohol or water. 3M does make a special spray to clean the rough spots...but don't spend the money unless alcohol does not do the trick. Oh, by the way, the 3M privacy screens have a grounding wire (why, I am not exactly sure) which will need to be clipped on to a piece of grounded metal. Hope this helps, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Griffin, Jackie wrote: > I checked the archives and see that this has been addressed before, but it > does not appear to have been really answered. > > Are any of you using privacy screens? If so, what brand and model and what > do > you think of them? > Have any of you heard of any particular screen that sounds good? Price is > not > the issue. Well, of course it is, this is a library, but we would pay for > effectiveness. > Also, has anyone devised particularly effective furniture or purchased > furniture that enhanced privacy? > Thanks! > > > Jackie Griffin > Director of Library Services > Berkeley Public Library > Berkeley. CA > 510-644-6095 > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > > From mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca Wed Jul 24 16:29:00 2002 From: mark.ellis at yourlibrary.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture Message-ID: <179ED821C9E81A45A575004FF401C0088F2661@ara.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Jackie, We used both 3M and BlackAngle privacy screens for several years, but didn't find them particularly effective. You can see the screen contents to about 45 degrees off axis. In there place we've used Nova kits <http://www.novadesk.com/>. These are expensive and require customer millwork or retrofitting, but we've been happy with the results. The photo on http://www.yourlibrary.ca/rplinfo/ironwood/internetcafe.html shows what they look like installed on a high counter and millwork carrels (barely visible). We've retrofitted them in more standard carrels as well. HTH, Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Griffin, Jackie [mailto:JGriffin@ci.berkeley.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:57 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture > > > I checked the archives and see that this has been addressed > before, but it > does not appear to have been really answered. > > Are any of you using privacy screens? If so, what brand and > model and what > do > you think of them? > Have any of you heard of any particular screen that sounds > good? Price is > not > the issue. Well, of course it is, this is a library, but we > would pay for > effectiveness. > Also, has anyone devised particularly effective furniture or purchased > furniture that enhanced privacy? > Thanks! > > > Jackie Griffin > Director of Library Services > Berkeley Public Library > Berkeley. CA > 510-644-6095 > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Jul 24 16:49:18 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207241421080.15738-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHIEKKFGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> http://www.solutions4sure.com/product.asp?productid=7920&iid=939 Solutions4Sure is an "Office Depot Company" on the web. I don't know if this is the same screen but they have a 3m privacy screen for just over $150.00 for an 18.2" diagonal. You can also contact for Educational prices: Scott Cannon Account Mgr / Education Solutions4sure - An Office Depot Company 6 Cambridge Dr. Trumbull, Ct. 06611 Phone: 800-595-9333 x7427 Fax: 203-615-7006 Email: scannon@4sure.com http://solutions4sure.com I've found some good prices at solutions4sure and computers4sure (same company). Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jacque King Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: privacy screens and furniture Hi Jackie, We use 3M Privacy screens. They come in all sizes and are usually around $300 /ea. They have been quite effective although, if you are standing directly behind them, you can see what is on the user's screen. Off to the side, you can not see a thing. We order ours from Office Depot, but I'm sure you can get them just about anywhere. They also clean very easily with rubbing alcohol or water. 3M does make a special spray to clean the rough spots...but don't spend the money unless alcohol does not do the trick. Oh, by the way, the 3M privacy screens have a grounding wire (why, I am not exactly sure) which will need to be clipped on to a piece of grounded metal. Hope this helps, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Griffin, Jackie wrote: > I checked the archives and see that this has been addressed before, but it > does not appear to have been really answered. > > Are any of you using privacy screens? If so, what brand and model and what > do > you think of them? > Have any of you heard of any particular screen that sounds good? Price is > not > the issue. Well, of course it is, this is a library, but we would pay for > effectiveness. > Also, has anyone devised particularly effective furniture or purchased > furniture that enhanced privacy? > Thanks! > > > Jackie Griffin > Director of Library Services > Berkeley Public Library > Berkeley. CA > 510-644-6095 > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > > From drshereff at yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 17:33:30 2002 From: drshereff at yahoo.com (Shereff Denise) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: Positions available Message-ID: <20020724213330.1949.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Estimados Amigos y colegas / Friends and colleagues: Library Systems & Services, LLC (LSSI) is looking for experienced, enthusiastic bilingual (Spanish & English) Reference Librarians to work as part-time Virtual Reference Librarians. As part of the Servicios de Referencia en Español and the Web Reference Center Teams, you will work with patrons online in real-time and respond to questions ranging from ready reference to research to library process questions. Servicios de Referencia en Español is an innovative program designed to help libraries improve reference services to Spanish-speaking communities and is offered in conjunction with the LSSI Web Reference Center’s English Language Reference Service. Position Description: Bilingual Virtual Reference Librarian, LSSI 24/7 Web Reference Center Bilingual Virtual Reference Librarians will respond to questions from a variety of library patrons, in both Spanish and English, following methods of professional librarianship and us us ing Web Contact Center software. The successful candidate must be willing and able to work a flexible schedule which will include weekends, evenings and, potentially, hours between 12am and 8am. Schedule details will be discussed with qualified candidates. Duties: Answer questions from both English and Spanish-speaking patrons in real-time online, and follow-up via email as appropriate. Participate in projects as requested by Web Reference Center Manager. Requisite Qualifications: ü MLS or MLIS ü Reference experience and knowledge of online resources (proprietary and free) ü Speak and write fluently in English and Spanish, and must be familiar with dialectical variances ü Adept at using or learning Web-based applications. ü Experience working with the public and possess a strong commitment towards customer service. ü A courteous demeanor, which is extended to patrons and colleagues alike. Requisite Equipment and Internet Connection: ü Reliable access to a PC with Pentium 200 MHz or above processor; at least 128 MB RAM; either Windows NT Workstation 4.0 with Service Pack 5 or above (recommended), Windows 2000, Windows Millennium or Windows 98. ü Cable or DSL modem. The ideal candidate will be an enthusiastic, experienced librarian interested in online reference. Desired Qualifications: A second degree; HTML coding skills. So if this sounds like it might be for you, and you think you've got what it takes to be a good bibliotecario(a) virtual, please submit a resume and statement of interest to: Denise Shereff, Coordinator of Spanish Virtual Reference Services by email [denises@lssi.com] or Fax (301) 540-5522. Only successful candidates will receive replies. Thank you! Denise R. Shereff, MLIS Coordinator, Spanish Reference Service 20250 Century Blvd, Suite 200 Germantown, MD 20874-1114 843/225-4606 (SC office) denises@lssi.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jul 24 17:54:07 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: privacy screens Message-ID: <781842674145.20020724155407@riverofdata.com> I hope that anyone who is getting privacy screens will be sure to leave some of your computers without them. There are several reasons for this. First, and most important to me at least, I've yet to see one that doesn't so dim the screen and blur the content that it doesn't make it almost unreadable to my aging and surgically repaired eyes. The same goes for various screens that are purported to reduce glare instead of, or in addition to, enhancing privacy. Second, and important in many settings, those that really do reduce the angle of vision also eliminate small groups working on the same computer, whether in a classroom or a library environment. Third, the privacy screens make it almost impossible to assist a patron with what s/he is doing on the computer unless you and the patron are willing to be quite friendly, practically "dancing cheek to cheek". Finally, the same factors relate to various mechanisms that allow you to recess the computer monitor under the desk or table top. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! Be competitive, intense, and accountable. From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 24 22:09:38 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724073002.00a6e590@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <3D3F5DE2.E89CCA57@students.uiuc.edu> We are all learning here: Students are reporting a problem with their code in testing against Mozilla and Netscape (new): I've included the Mozilla message I received; I've looked at their code with them, and it looks alright to me but then, ... well ... The issue with the new Netscape is that it blows up altogether. They have a menu on the left of their page which is all that displays. Earlier version of Netscape display it just fine. Any thoughts would be, as always, appreciated: Joyce, We keep running into problems with Mozilla. After some serious testing, trying different things, we are positive that it is a problem with Mozilla itself and not with our code. The problem seems to specifically be with comments <!-- -->. Mozilla is having various issues with the comments i.e. it does NOT read comments properly in all instances. If you have Mozilla up, try going to: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/HCD/ The source code looks as if one of the tags isn't bracketed ( <-- ) properly, however, view the same source code in one of the other three main browsers and it does NOT look like that. We've tried taking out the comments and the page works just fine. We've reformatted the comments in various different ways and everytime Mozilla has an issue with them. We greatly desire to keep these comments in our code. I have a suspicion that there is a conflict in the source code somewhere that gets buggy when comments are placed in context with certain commands. From rsk at magpage.com Wed Jul 24 22:20:02 2002 From: rsk at magpage.com (Rich Kulawiec) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hacking Linux websites In-Reply-To: <311731285697.20020723085738@riverofdata.com> References: <311731285697.20020723085738@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <20020725022002.GA8531@gsp.org> On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 08:04:14AM -0700, Dan Lester wrote: > Sharp Rise In Web Site Defacements On Linux Servers > > Defacements of Linux-based Web sites this year already outnumber all > of last year, while Microsoft IIS-based site defacements are down. > > http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C72867%2C0.html?nlid=WS Yep, this has been noticed. Part of the reason is the growth in the number of Linux-based web sites (mostly running Apache) and the decline of IIS; another part is the addition of a *lot* of scripting and programming features with the concomittant security risk; another part is probably due to some amount of complacency in the Linux/Unix community; and still another part is probably due to the increased use of Linux (/Apache/PHP/Perl/MySQL/etc.) web sites by folks who are new to the technology and haven't quite got the knack of it yet. Two things are worth noting, though: first, the fixes to most of the problems in the Linux/Unix world show up fast: when news of the FreeBSD/Apache worm of a few weeks ago first started spreading, a quick fix -- which would stop it in its tracks -- was available in under three hours, followed by a thorough analysis and fix within 24 hours. (This was possible because all the affected software was open-source, thus readily available for analysis by a large number of people.) OTOH, there are (the last time I saw the count) something like a dozen security issues of a similar nature in IIS for which no fix has yet been issued. Second, if you're going to run -- let's say -- Apache, PHP and MySQL on Debian Linux -- then it is probably very much worth getting on the mailing lists suffixed with "-announce" that are run by their developers. Just about all open-source projects of any size have a mailing list; some have several. They're usually distinguished by suffix; for instance: foobar-dev -- Of interest to people developing foobar, i.e. hacking on the code foobar-users -- Of interest to people trying to use foobar foobar-docs -- For people trying to document foobar foobar-ports -- For people trying to port foobar to different operating systems or architectures foobar-questions -- The place for foobar newbies to ask questions of foobar experts and the important one: foobar-announce -- Announcements of new releases & critical fixes The "-announce" lists tend to be low-traffic, announcements-only and are well worth being on for reasons beyond security issues. But it's those security issues that make membership essential: these lists are the early warning system. There are also security-specific mailing lists (e.g. bugtraq, focus-linux, focus-ms, focus-virus, security-announce, cert, etc.) which have overlapping coverage of most security issues and incidents. It's probably worth the effort for at least one person at each site -- whatever software you're running -- to be at least idly monitoring these for relevant traffic. (For instance, publication of the source code on BugTraq for an exploit which yields control of your web server to an attacker is an indication that you will not be going home early and that more coffee would be a very good idea. ;-) ) Here's a short list of some of the lists I'd recommend (with the subscription address following; some of these use majordomo, some use mailman, some use listserv, so salt to taste): apache-announce: announce-subscribe@apache.org apache-httpd-announce: announce-subscribe@httpd.Apache.Org bugtraq list: listserv@lists.securityfocus.com cert-advisory: majordomo@cert.org debian-announce: debian-announce-request@lists.debian.org focus-linux: focus-linux-subscribe@securityfocus.com focus-ms: focus-ms-subscribe@securityfocus.com focus-sun: focus-sun-subscribe@securityfocus.com focus-virus: focus-virus-subscribe@securityfocus.com freebsd-announce: majordomo@freebsd.org freebsd-security: majordomo@freebsd.org gnome-announce: gnome-announce-list-request@gnome.org incidents-subscribe@securityfocus.com mysql-announce: announce-subscribe@lists.mysql.com netbsd-announce: majordomo@netbsd.org netbsd-tech-security: majordomo@netbsd.org openssl-announce: majordomo@openssl.org php-announce: php-announce-request@lists.php.net redhat-announce-list: redhat-announce-list-request@redhat.com security-announce: majordomo@openbsd.org ---Rsk From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Jul 24 22:30:20 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students References: <3D3F5DE2.E89CCA57@students.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <001901c23383$6bfb9f60$03ae0b0a@smeagol> > We keep running into problems with Mozilla. After some serious testing, > trying different things, we are positive that it is a problem with > Mozilla > itself and not with our code. The problem seems to specifically be with > comments <!-- -->. Mozilla is having various issues with the comments > i.e. it does NOT read comments properly in all instances. It's a problem with the code (specifically, the comments), not the browser. >From the Comments section of the HTML 4 spec: (see http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html) Comments in HTML have a complicated syntax that can be simplified by following this rule: Begin a comment with "<!--", end it with "-->", and do not use "--" within the comment. The code from the url you gave has "--" _within_ the comment itself; a definite no-no. Is Mozilla a bit too picky? Perhaps, but that's a Good Thing. Forcing compliance with the standard can only make the web better. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From rich_p at dial.pipex.com Tue Jul 30 06:18:25 2002 From: rich_p at dial.pipex.com (Richard Poynder) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. Message-ID: <000e01c237b2$74437700$0100a8c0@Desk> Hi, I'm a freelance journalist, and have been asked to write something for Information Today (http://www.infotoday.com/it/itnew.htm) on privacy issues in the library. The stimulus for this is the current debate in the US over the Patriot Act and the use of it by US enforcement agencies to ask to see details of what books patrons have been reading. I understand that the University of Illinois has done some research in this area for instance. But I believe there have also been discussions about the use of library filters in connection with privacy and the web, with electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards (see for instance the UK story at: http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,764247,00.html), and with proposals in, for instance the UK, to introduce ID cards that would double up as library cards (and driving licence etc.), and no doubt there are other privacy issues facing librarians today. The sort of issues I am interested in include: To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is this good or bad? What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware of? What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? Should they? What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like privacy? Should they? What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library book? Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for protecting the world against terrorists? Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there similar/different issues for academic and corporate libraries? How much is this a specifically US issue? Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are they being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or bad? Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? Other issues? I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long as I know who has contacted me), and I have no pre-set agenda or story line to spin. I just want to explore the issues. As such I would be keen to hear from both those who vehemently oppose anything they view as amounting to an invasion of privacy, as well as those who may think it is a small price to pay for national/international security, and can't see what the problem is. Thanks in advance. Richard Poynder Richard Poynder Freelance Journalist Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 Mobile: 0793-202-4032 E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk Web: www.richardpoynder.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bennetttm at appstate.edu Tue Jul 30 08:45:00 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? In-Reply-To: <3D45CF7D.87D5CFC2@students.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHGEMEFGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> In our Ask A Librarian web database I created a one button submit that would allow the librarians to add the current question and answer to the FAQ. The response was that most questions are too specific to publish to an FAQ. Although a few questions were added to the FAQ no link from a public page has been made to the FAQ page to my knowledge. I assume that they are using the FAQ page internally for reference. The FAQ page is a link in the librarian's response interface. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Joyce M. Latham Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? There is the question of what happens to the questions ... and answers and resources used for answers. These Q&A's *could* be made available to the public right at the point of posing a request. In fact, there is alot of development that could take place here. (I know about the OCLC solution -- I was looking beyond a commercial approach). Merging of the Q&A databases by library type, identification of most frequently asked questions, failed requests -- cross institutional study may actually present us with something beyond the need to re-create the print based solutions in digital forms. -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 30 09:04:46 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <000e01c237b2$74437700$0100a8c0@Desk> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207300903130.9811-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Before we answer your questions, how do we know you are who you say you are? On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Richard Poynder wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a freelance journalist, and have been asked to write something for > Information Today (http://www.infotoday.com/it/itnew.htm) on privacy > issues in the library. The stimulus for this is the current debate in > the US over the Patriot Act and the use of it by US enforcement agencies > to ask to see details of what books patrons have been reading. I > understand that the University of Illinois has done some research in > this area for instance. But I believe there have also been discussions > about the use of library filters in connection with privacy and the web, > with electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards (see for > instance the UK story at: > http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,764247,00.html), and > with proposals in, for instance the UK, to introduce ID cards that would > double up as library cards (and driving licence etc.), and no doubt > there are other privacy issues facing librarians today. > > The sort of issues I am interested in include: > > > To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading > habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is this > good or bad? > > What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware of? > > What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? > Should they? > > What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law > enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? > > Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? > > Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like > privacy? Should they? > > What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library > book? > > Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for protecting > the world against terrorists? > > Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there similar/different > issues for academic and corporate libraries? > > How much is this a specifically US issue? > > Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? > > In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? > > What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library > automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological > methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on > reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are they > being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or bad? > > Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online > databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? > > Other issues? > > I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of > this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long as > I know who has contacted me), and I have no pre-set agenda or story line > to spin. I just want to explore the issues. As such I would be keen to > hear from both those who vehemently oppose anything they view as > amounting to an invasion of privacy, as well as those who may think it > is a small price to pay for national/international security, and can't > see what the problem is. > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Poynder > > > Richard Poynder > Freelance Journalist > Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 > Mobile: 0793-202-4032 > E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk > Web: www.richardpoynder.com > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 30 09:41:39 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: Apology (Was: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc.) In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207300903130.9811-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207300936470.11374-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> On second thought I consider my own joke ill-timed and in bad taste. I apologize for any offense given. It was not my intention to belittle either Mr. Poynder or this list or the issues raised for discussion. Next time I will try to remember that it is better to think twice before hitting send. Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Chris Gray wrote: > Before we answer your questions, how do we know you are who you say you > are? > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Richard Poynder wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a freelance journalist, and have been asked to write something for > > Information Today (http://www.infotoday.com/it/itnew.htm) on privacy > > issues in the library. The stimulus for this is the current debate in > > the US over the Patriot Act and the use of it by US enforcement agencies > > to ask to see details of what books patrons have been reading. I > > understand that the University of Illinois has done some research in > > this area for instance. But I believe there have also been discussions > > about the use of library filters in connection with privacy and the web, > > with electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards (see for > > instance the UK story at: > > http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,764247,00.html), and > > with proposals in, for instance the UK, to introduce ID cards that would > > double up as library cards (and driving licence etc.), and no doubt > > there are other privacy issues facing librarians today. > > > > The sort of issues I am interested in include: > > > > > > To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading > > habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is this > > good or bad? > > > > What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware of? > > > > What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? > > Should they? > > > > What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law > > enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? > > > > Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? > > > > Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like > > privacy? Should they? > > > > What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library > > book? > > > > Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for protecting > > the world against terrorists? > > > > Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there similar/different > > issues for academic and corporate libraries? > > > > How much is this a specifically US issue? > > > > Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? > > > > In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? > > > > What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library > > automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological > > methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on > > reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are they > > being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or bad? > > > > Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online > > databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? > > > > Other issues? > > > > I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of > > this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long as > > I know who has contacted me), and I have no pre-set agenda or story line > > to spin. I just want to explore the issues. As such I would be keen to > > hear from both those who vehemently oppose anything they view as > > amounting to an invasion of privacy, as well as those who may think it > > is a small price to pay for national/international security, and can't > > see what the problem is. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Richard Poynder > > > > > > Richard Poynder > > Freelance Journalist > > Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 > > Mobile: 0793-202-4032 > > E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk > > Web: www.richardpoynder.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > > to a plain text message. > > ********************************************************************* > > > > From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 30 09:49:11 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <000e01c237b2$74437700$0100a8c0@Desk> References: <000e01c237b2$74437700$0100a8c0@Desk> Message-ID: <7748203022.20020730074911@riverofdata.com> Being brave or foolish, I don't care if he's who he says he is. Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 4:21:31 AM, you wrote: RP> The sort of issues I am interested in include: RP> To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading RP> habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is this RP> good or bad? Most librarians would say the PATRIOT ACT (which is the proper name, as it is an acronym) is bad. Who knows if it has changed things, since you're subject to penalties yourself if you disclose that the feds have come in under the act to investigate someone. RP> What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware of? Same ones we've known of forever. There is plenty of literature on all this in print and on the web. RP> What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? RP> Should they? They should follow the laws. In most states this means not disclosing much of anything to anyone without a court order. That's as it should be. Yes, the new federal law contradicts most state library laws. I guess that's for the attorneys to fight over. I'll follow state law until ordered otherwise. RP> What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law RP> enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? Our duties are to follow the laws to the best of our abilities. RP> Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? In a theoretical sense, yes. However, I don't think it has ever been tested in court and upheld like it would be for a doctor or lawyer. RP> Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like RP> privacy? Should they? Yes. Of course. Some of these questions being asked are really lame. Are you sure you're not a student in Lib Sci 101? RP> What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library RP> book? Uhhhhh.....oh, hell, I'll leave all the smart answers to others. I'm not feeling clever enough this morning. RP> Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for protecting RP> the world against terrorists? All depends, I suppose. Of course we haven't established yet what that price is, and we've not had any proof that paying the price will protect anyone. RP> Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there similar/different RP> issues for academic and corporate libraries? Same issues in public as in publicly supported academic. Somewhat different for private academic, and definitely different in corporate, where the user doesn't have, and shouldn't expect, any privacy. RP> How much is this a specifically US issue? Hey, you asked about the PATRIOT ACT, right? RP> Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? Probably. RP> In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? You've asked enough stuff here to write a book, not just an article. Of course technology is a factor, in about a dozen different dimensions. RP> What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library RP> automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological RP> methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on RP> reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are they RP> being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or bad? Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up. Of course one could be designed differently, and some added information might be gleaned from backup tapes for some period of time. The online systems have actually increased privacy, as in "the olden days" your name that you signed on the card in the book pocket stayed there for a long time. RP> Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online RP> databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? Well, if you log into them individually, sure. However, in most libraries the user doesn't log in to the system, so you can't easily tell who did the search on making pipe bombs. Again, such would/could be possible if you had video surveillance and so forth on all your computers. RP> Other issues? Not enough yet? RP> I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of RP> this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long as RP> I know who has contacted me), I don't do off the record. Anything I say is always public and I'll always stand behind it. Anyone who does otherwise is dreaming, as "secrets" and "off the record" and "for your eyes only" always come back to bite you. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From rich_p at dial.pipex.com Tue Jul 30 09:48:32 2002 From: rich_p at dial.pipex.com (Richard Poynder) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207300903130.9811-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <004a01c237cf$ceac6e00$0100a8c0@Desk> Hi Chris, Thanks for this. I assume it is a genuine question? If so, then I could suggest you look at my web site (www.richardpoynder.com), or e-mail the Information Today editor John Eichorn (jeichorn@infotoday.com) and check with him. I appreciate that that only takes you so far in establishing my credentials, but beyond that I cannot go - so you would need to take the rest on trust, or not as you decide. If you are making the obvious point that my questions raise regarding the power of the web to allow for anonymity (and therefore deception) then it is well taken. Nevertheless, I would still appreciate any comments on the questions I posed, or any experiences people would like to share with me. Best wishes, Richard Richard Poynder Freelance Journalist Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 Mobile: 0793-202-4032 E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk Web: www.richardpoynder.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Gray [mailto:cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: 30 July 2002 14:05 To: Richard Poynder Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. Before we answer your questions, how do we know you are who you say you are? On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Richard Poynder wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a freelance journalist, and have been asked to write something for > Information Today (http://www.infotoday.com/it/itnew.htm) on privacy > issues in the library. The stimulus for this is the current debate in > the US over the Patriot Act and the use of it by US enforcement > agencies to ask to see details of what books patrons have been > reading. I understand that the University of Illinois has done some > research in this area for instance. But I believe there have also been > discussions about the use of library filters in connection with > privacy and the web, with electronic fingerprinting to replace library > cards (see for instance the UK story at: > http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,764247,00.html), and > with proposals in, for instance the UK, to introduce ID cards that > would double up as library cards (and driving licence etc.), and no > doubt there are other privacy issues facing librarians today. > > The sort of issues I am interested in include: > > > To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading > habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is this > good or bad? > > What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware > of? > > What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? > Should they? > > What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law > enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? > > Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? > > Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like > privacy? Should they? > > What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library > book? > > Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for protecting > the world against terrorists? > > Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there similar/different > issues for academic and corporate libraries? > > How much is this a specifically US issue? > > Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? > > In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? > > What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library > automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological > methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on > reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are > they being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or > bad? > > Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online > databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? > > Other issues? > > I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of > this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long > as I know who has contacted me), and I have no pre-set agenda or story > line to spin. I just want to explore the issues. As such I would be > keen to hear from both those who vehemently oppose anything they view > as amounting to an invasion of privacy, as well as those who may think > it is a small price to pay for national/international security, and > can't see what the problem is. > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Poynder > > > Richard Poynder > Freelance Journalist > Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 > Mobile: 0793-202-4032 > E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk > Web: www.richardpoynder.com > From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Tue Jul 30 10:15:03 2002 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act,electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. Message-ID: <sd46591d.065@mednet.swmed.edu> I think we (librarians and IT people in libraries) may have a false sense of security regarding our library circulation systems (aka ILS (Integrated Library Systems)). Connections are maintained in all systems while the item is checked out. We really don't have a pragmatic solution to this, given we need to maintain our collection. But remember, backup tapes are maintained, sometimes for beyond 30 days, which can be requested (or demanded) by authorities. And people are getting better at recovering tapes that have been overwritten, "cleared", etc. Our systems are vulnerable to the authorities. Whether we should change our procedures and systems for this protection and open ourselves to risks (such as systems crashing with no backup) is a something that I have not seen debated much. And then there are other systems that record usage, sometimes even more personal info than our ILS. What about those Internet usage logs? A person who signs in to use a computer can be (theoretically) traced to what sites he/she visited, by matching ISP logs with the times the user was at that computer. Privacy is a major concern for librarians, and I am quite proud of the debate and discussion that does occur, as well as the efforts that my peers take to protect our clients. I just don't want us to feel satisfied with our ILS simply because it breaks the link at a certain point in time. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> Dan Lester <dan@riverofdata.com> 7/30/02 8:51:27 AM >>> Being brave or foolish, I don't care if he's who he says he is. Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 4:21:31 AM, you wrote: <snip> RP> What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library RP> automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new technological RP> methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance of records on RP> reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques etc.), or are they RP> being designed to automatically erase records. Is this good or bad? Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up. Of course one could be designed differently, and some added information might be gleaned from backup tapes for some period of time. The online systems have actually increased privacy, as in "the olden days" your name that you signed on the card in the book pocket stayed there for a long time. RP> Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online RP> databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? Well, if you log into them individually, sure. However, in most libraries the user doesn't log in to the system, so you can't easily tell who did the search on making pipe bombs. Again, such would/could be possible if you had video surveillance and so forth on all your computers. RP> Other issues? Not enough yet? RP> I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience of RP> this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so long as RP> I know who has contacted me), I don't do off the record. Anything I say is always public and I'll always stand behind it. Anyone who does otherwise is dreaming, as "secrets" and "off the record" and "for your eyes only" always come back to bite you. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Tue Jul 30 10:49:25 2002 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <7748203022.20020730074911@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <002f01c237d8$51ba4260$68c914ac@IS1> Dan Lester Wrote: "Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up." Dan there are a couple of current GUI automation systems, and at least one much older text based system, that maintain a borrower's history. Sometimes the feature can be turned on and off for individual patrons. Sometimes it's a system wide feature. At least one system keeps a borrower history of all fines levied and paid and what items caused them to be generated. I agree with Karen Harker that library folk tend to have a false sense of security regarding the computer privacy. Backups, system logs, firewall logs, Internet sign up sheets, computer reservation systems, browser histories, ISP logs, etc. can be used together or separately to pierce the thin curtain of privacy. How many libraries today have security cameras with attached video recorders watching Circulation Desks or computer labs? Phillip B. Whitford Manager of Information Systems Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. Being brave or foolish, I don't care if he's who he says he is. Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 4:21:31 AM, you wrote: RP> The sort of issues I am interested in include: RP> To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading RP> habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is RP> this good or bad? Most librarians would say the PATRIOT ACT (which is the proper name, as it is an acronym) is bad. Who knows if it has changed things, since you're subject to penalties yourself if you disclose that the feds have come in under the act to investigate someone. RP> What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware RP> of? Same ones we've known of forever. There is plenty of literature on all this in print and on the web. RP> What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? RP> Should they? They should follow the laws. In most states this means not disclosing much of anything to anyone without a court order. That's as it should be. Yes, the new federal law contradicts most state library laws. I guess that's for the attorneys to fight over. I'll follow state law until ordered otherwise. RP> What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law RP> enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? Our duties are to follow the laws to the best of our abilities. RP> Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? In a theoretical sense, yes. However, I don't think it has ever been tested in court and upheld like it would be for a doctor or lawyer. RP> Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like RP> privacy? Should they? Yes. Of course. Some of these questions being asked are really lame. Are you sure you're not a student in Lib Sci 101? RP> What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library RP> book? Uhhhhh.....oh, hell, I'll leave all the smart answers to others. I'm not feeling clever enough this morning. RP> Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for RP> protecting the world against terrorists? All depends, I suppose. Of course we haven't established yet what that price is, and we've not had any proof that paying the price will protect anyone. RP> Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there RP> similar/different issues for academic and corporate libraries? Same issues in public as in publicly supported academic. Somewhat different for private academic, and definitely different in corporate, where the user doesn't have, and shouldn't expect, any privacy. RP> How much is this a specifically US issue? Hey, you asked about the PATRIOT ACT, right? RP> Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? Probably. RP> In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? You've asked enough stuff here to write a book, not just an article. Of course technology is a factor, in about a dozen different dimensions. RP> What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library RP> automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new RP> technological methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance RP> of records on reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques RP> etc.), or are they being designed to automatically erase records. Is RP> this good or bad? Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up. Of course one could be designed differently, and some added information might be gleaned from backup tapes for some period of time. The online systems have actually increased privacy, as in "the olden days" your name that you signed on the card in the book pocket stayed there for a long time. RP> Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online RP> databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? Well, if you log into them individually, sure. However, in most libraries the user doesn't log in to the system, so you can't easily tell who did the search on making pipe bombs. Again, such would/could be possible if you had video surveillance and so forth on all your computers. RP> Other issues? Not enough yet? RP> I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience RP> of this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so RP> long as I know who has contacted me), I don't do off the record. Anything I say is always public and I'll always stand behind it. Anyone who does otherwise is dreaming, as "secrets" and "off the record" and "for your eyes only" always come back to bite you. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jul 30 10:50:20 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04015740D6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> It's been my experience, from having looked at maybe 2000 transcripts of virtual reference sessions, that there aren't a whole lot of frequently asked questions. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce M. Latham [mailto:latham1@students.uiuc.edu] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? There is the question of what happens to the questions ... and answers and resources used for answers. These Q&A's *could* be made available to the public right at the point of posing a request. In fact, there is alot of development that could take place here. (I know about the OCLC solution -- I was looking beyond a commercial approach). Merging of the Q&A databases by library type, identification of most frequently asked questions, failed requests -- cross institutional study may actually present us with something beyond the need to re-create the print based solutions in digital forms. -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 30 10:55:06 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <004a01c237cf$ceac6e00$0100a8c0@Desk> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207300952130.11374-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Thank you for turning my rather weak joke to good effect. There are indeed several ways that the Internet and the Web complicate matters of identity and privacy. I believe US law involves the notion of "reasonable expectation of privacy" and that several decisions have been made to the effect that where workplace computers are concerned there is no expectation of privacy. You might be interested in an article from The Globe and Mail, "more workplace privacy protection" By Michael Geist Friday, June 28, 2002 Print Edition, Page E6 <http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20020628/EBGEISY> which indicates that in Canadian law the onus is shifting from proving the reasonable expectation of privacy to proving the reasonableness of the surveillance. Technologically speaking, unencrypted communication over the Internet is no more private than a conversation in a restaurant. Anyone who wants to go to the trouble can overhear what is said. I doubt that most people who use the Internet understand this. This isn't the way it seems on the surface to someone sitting at home using their own computer. Still, my expectation, whether in a restaurant, on the phone, or on the Internet is that I shouldn't have to worry about what I say or do as long as I'm not committing or planning to commit a crime. The real danger here is of creating a climate of paranoia. Look at it this way. I believe it was the FBI that was in possession of information that might have helped prevent the 9/11 attacks, but that information didn't get to the right people at the right time. The solution to this is not to gather more information. You don't find the needle in a haystack by building a bigger haystack. Bulk information on people's reading habits is of little value. You have to be following leads and gathering specific information. When your doing that a normal search warrant does the job. In measures with titles like "The USA Patriot Act", isn't there a certain amount of playing to the gallery (a la McCarthyism) here, and not well thought-out police work? Law enforcement agencies face the same information glut as everyone else, and the real problems that libraries and librarians might help with is how to put our fingers on the best information when we need it. Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Richard Poynder wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for this. I assume it is a genuine question? > > If so, then I could suggest you look at my web site > (www.richardpoynder.com), or e-mail the Information Today editor John > Eichorn (jeichorn@infotoday.com) and check with him. I appreciate that > that only takes you so far in establishing my credentials, but beyond > that I cannot go - so you would need to take the rest on trust, or not > as you decide. > > If you are making the obvious point that my questions raise regarding > the power of the web to allow for anonymity (and therefore deception) > then it is well taken. Nevertheless, I would still appreciate any > comments on the questions I posed, or any experiences people would like > to share with me. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Richard > > > Richard Poynder > Freelance Journalist > Phone: + 44 (0)191-386-0072 > Mobile: 0793-202-4032 > E-mail: richard.poynder@journalist.co.uk > Web: www.richardpoynder.com > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Jul 30 11:10:39 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic finger printing to replace library cards etc. Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351588B@mail1.morrisville.edu> Aleph 500 from Ex Libris retains the borrower links even after an item is returned (at least through version 14.2). I believe they are working on changing this. What was DRA MultiLis also maintained the links unless you deleted the patron record. Karen Harker and Phillip Whitford are entirely right that libraries have a false sense of security. It is not just in computer privacy, it extends to privacy of all types of records and transactions. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From rosedalej at mville.edu Tue Jul 30 11:09:09 2002 From: rosedalej at mville.edu (Jeff H. Rosedale) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: Position opening: Electronic Services Librarian Message-ID: <200207301109.AA434503800@mail.mville.edu> Below is some information about an opening for an Electonic Services Librarian in the greater New York area. Feel free to contact me off-list with any questions. Thanks --Jeff ___________________ ELECTRONIC SERVICES LIBRARIAN Manhattanville College is an independent, co-educational, residential liberal arts college of approximately 1400 students located 28 miles north of New York City in suburban Westchester County. The electronic services librarian will lead the student centered library in the promotion and selection of electronic resources. S/he will: ? plan for and maintain electronic resources ? manage the library Web pages ? provide project management for digital initiatives ? provide reference service ? participate in library instruction including instructional technology ? participate in collection development and act as a liaison with faculty in assigned subjects. Qualifications: Required: MLS from ALA accredited program; Two years professional experience in an academic institution. Service orientation; substantial knowledge of and experience with electronic resources, information technology, Web development, document conversion, and computer hardware and software. Ability to work effectively with faculty, staff, and students in a rapidly changing and diverse environment; demonstration of effective teaching skills; and excellent interpersonal and collaboration skills. Some evening and weekend work required. Preferred: 2nd Masters degree. Demonstrated experience with collection development and public service. Supervisory or project management experience in an academic environment. Salary: Commensurate with experience Send resumes to: humanresources@mville.edu We are an equal opportunity employer actively encouraging applications from candidate with diverse backgrounds. Please send applications to: Director of Human Resources Manhattanville College 2900 Purchase Street Purchase, NY 10577 Fax. (914) 323-5322 e-mail humanresources@mville.edu Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. _________ -- <><><><><><><><> Jeff Rosedale Assistant Library Director Manhattanville College 2900 Purchase St., Purchase, NY 10577 914-323-3206; fax 914-694-8139 -- From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 30 11:11:09 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic finger In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351588B@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207301108550.17251-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> And if, heaven forbid, you should incur any library fines, these will be tracked _long_ after the item is returned. Chris Gray On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > Aleph 500 from Ex Libris retains the borrower links even after an item is > returned (at least through version 14.2). I believe they are working on > changing this. What was DRA MultiLis also maintained the links unless you > deleted the patron record. > > Karen Harker and Phillip Whitford are entirely right that libraries have a > false sense of security. It is not just in computer privacy, it extends to > privacy of all types of records and transactions. > > Bill Drew > drewwe@morrisville.edu > From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Jul 30 11:29:01 2002 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: Library Newsletters - Thanks In-Reply-To: <20020725022002.GA8531@gsp.org> Message-ID: <20020730082649.U41480-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Thanks to the many people who sent me URLs yesterday for online library newsletters. I've built a page containing these links if anyone is curious or in need of similar info-- http://www.lib.cwu.edu/~creechj/newsletters.html Thanks very much again. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 30 13:54:40 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act,electronic In-Reply-To: <sd46591d.065@mednet.swmed.edu> References: <sd46591d.065@mednet.swmed.edu> Message-ID: <1662931560.20020730115440@riverofdata.com> Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 8:16:04 AM, you wrote: KH> I think we (librarians and IT people in libraries) may have a false KH> sense of security regarding our library circulation systems I don't think we really do have any false sense of security. At least anyone who's been doing this kind of work for more than a couple of years and has kept his/her eyes/ears open doesn't. KH> (aka ILS KH> (Integrated Library Systems)). Connections are maintained in all KH> systems while the item is checked out. Of course they are. They have to be. KH> We really don't have a pragmatic KH> solution to this, given we need to maintain our collection. But KH> remember, backup tapes are maintained, sometimes for beyond 30 days, KH> which can be requested (or demanded) by authorities. Absolutely. KH> And people are getting better at recovering tapes that have been KH> overwritten, "cleared", etc. Our systems are vulnerable to the KH> authorities. Whether we should change our procedures and systems for KH> this protection and open ourselves to risks (such as systems crashing KH> with no backup) is a something that I have not seen debated much. I doubt that there are many administrators (library administrators, not just system administrators) who would be willing to go without backups because they might on the off chance protect the privacy of some person. I also doubt many of us would be doing security overwrites or security erases for this same reason. KH> And then there are other systems that record usage, sometimes even more KH> personal info than our ILS. What about those Internet usage logs? A KH> person who signs in to use a computer can be (theoretically) traced to KH> what sites he/she visited, by matching ISP logs with the times the user KH> was at that computer. That's one of many reasons why some of us don't require logins. When you have a real problem you can still deal with it. I had a kiddie porn viewer taken away in handcuffs last year. He's still in jail. The deputy observed the guy using machine E12 for a period of time, and my proxy server logs for that time period confirmed what he was viewing. End of story. (All of our public machines run through proxy server for several reasons, this being just one of them) KH> Privacy is a major concern for librarians, and I am quite proud of the KH> debate and discussion that does occur, as well as the efforts that my KH> peers take to protect our clients. I just don't want us to feel KH> satisfied with our ILS simply because it breaks the link at a certain KH> point in time. As you and others have noted, nothing is perfect. We'll never see the perfect system. Plus, the perfect system for you and me might not be the same perfect system for the FBI or CIA or whoever else. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jul 30 14:03:37 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: Copyright as Cudgel Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04015740E9@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> There's an interesting opinion piece on copyright and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act in the August 2 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education: Vaidhyanathan, Siva. Copyright as cudgel. Chronicle of Higher Education, 48(47), pp. B7-B9. August 2, 2002. http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i47/47b00701.htm The author is an assistant professor of information studies at the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Jul 30 14:05:39 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <002f01c237d8$51ba4260$68c914ac@IS1> References: <002f01c237d8$51ba4260$68c914ac@IS1> Message-ID: <11263590107.20020730120539@riverofdata.com> Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 8:47:49 AM, you wrote: PBW> Dan Lester Wrote: PBW> "Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between PBW> borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies PBW> (fines, etc.) cleared up." PBW> Dan there are a couple of current GUI automation systems, and at least PBW> one much older text based system, that maintain a borrower's history. PBW> Sometimes the feature can be turned on and off for individual patrons. PBW> Sometimes it's a system wide feature. At least one system keeps a PBW> borrower history of all fines levied and paid and what items caused them PBW> to be generated. I'm aware that some systems have such features, but you can be sure that I'd never buy one without the ability to turn off such features. I want to know who you are if you have books out, if you owe me for books (so I can remind you of what books you had overdue, what books you lost, etc.), but feel no obligation to be able to tell you what books you paid for last year. Some of that sounds like somebody's creeping featurism because some bozo library administrator wanted to know something once. I once had someone in another library want a complex analysis of circulation by day of week, by time of day, by class number, and by size of book. It could theoretically have been done, but was purest nonsense. Why did he want it? Because "it would be interesting to know whether certain call numbers go out more on certain days, and whether certain sizes of books go out more frequently at certain times of the days". Interesting to him, maybe, for unknown reasons, but certainly not in any way useful for management of the library or producing any advancement of knowledge. PBW> I agree with Karen Harker that library folk tend to have a false sense PBW> of security regarding the computer privacy. Backups, system logs, PBW> firewall logs, Internet sign up sheets, computer reservation systems, PBW> browser histories, ISP logs, etc. can be used together or separately to PBW> pierce the thin curtain of privacy. True. However, the vast majority of patrons don't know or care about the privacy. Many of them would willingly relinquish it, assuming they knew they had it. We've all faced the irate patron who wants to know who has a certain book out so they can "go borrow it for a few minutes to copy a page". PBW> How many libraries today have PBW> security cameras with attached video recorders watching Circulation PBW> Desks or computer labs? We have one on our entrance/exit. It has already helped to catch an offender***. If I don't have any "video security privacy" on the convenience store or the bank, why should the library be any different? The one in those other places could show what kind of beer I bought or how much money I got at the bank. The one at the library entrance wouldn't show anything about what I read, viewed, or did in the library. ***Have only had it three months. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From JGriffin at ci.berkeley.ca.us Tue Jul 30 15:16:00 2002 From: JGriffin at ci.berkeley.ca.us (Griffin, Jackie) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprin ting to replace library cards etc. Message-ID: <200207301926.MAA20212@webjunction.org> The link is not entirely broken in many systems. For example, while our system (III) takes the item off a patron record once it is returned, we still maintain a "last patron" connection with the item. That feature exists so that if we find an item is damaged or some part of an AV item was not returned, we can contact the patron to get it returned. We have discussed this with III in terms of the Patriot Act...since we understand that the supoenas may be broader (rather than asking what a specific patron has checked out, the supoena may ask who was the last to check out the Koran for example). In III, our choice seems to be to turn it off entirely or to do a sweep in a given time period to clear item records. We will probably do the latter and set it for a month. III has been very supportive in all this. They really get our concern and have been working with us to find solutions. Jackie Griffin Director of Library Services Berkeley Public Library Berkeley. CA 510-644-6095 >>> Phillip B. Whitford 07/30/02 07:48AM >>> Dan Lester Wrote: "Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up." Dan there are a couple of current GUI automation systems, and at least one much older text based system, that maintain a borrower's history. Sometimes the feature can be turned on and off for individual patrons. Sometimes it's a system wide feature. At least one system keeps a borrower history of all fines levied and paid and what items caused them to be generated. I agree with Karen Harker that library folk tend to have a false sense of security regarding the computer privacy. Backups, system logs, firewall logs, Internet sign up sheets, computer reservation systems, browser histories, ISP logs, etc. can be used together or separately to pierce the thin curtain of privacy. How many libraries today have security cameras with attached video recorders watching Circulation Desks or computer labs? Phillip B. Whitford Manager of Information Systems Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. Being brave or foolish, I don't care if he's who he says he is. Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 4:21:31 AM, you wrote: RP> The sort of issues I am interested in include: RP> To what extent is the Patriot Act being used to check on the reading RP> habits of library patrons? How has this changed the situation? Is RP> this good or bad? Most librarians would say the PATRIOT ACT (which is the proper name, as it is an acronym) is bad. Who knows if it has changed things, since you're subject to penalties yourself if you disclose that the feds have come in under the act to investigate someone. RP> What other privacy issues are there that librarians should be aware RP> of? Same ones we've known of forever. There is plenty of literature on all this in print and on the web. RP> What should librarians do to protect the privacy of their patrons? RP> Should they? They should follow the laws. In most states this means not disclosing much of anything to anyone without a court order. That's as it should be. Yes, the new federal law contradicts most state library laws. I guess that's for the attorneys to fight over. I'll follow state law until ordered otherwise. RP> What duties (legal and ethical) do librarians have to society/law RP> enforcement agencies to reveal sensitive/private information? Our duties are to follow the laws to the best of our abilities. RP> Do librarians have librarian/client privilege? In a theoretical sense, yes. However, I don't think it has ever been tested in court and upheld like it would be for a doctor or lawyer. RP> Do library training courses currently include ethical issues like RP> privacy? Should they? Yes. Of course. Some of these questions being asked are really lame. Are you sure you're not a student in Lib Sci 101? RP> What's the world coming to if I can't read with anonymity a library RP> book? Uhhhhh.....oh, hell, I'll leave all the smart answers to others. I'm not feeling clever enough this morning. RP> Or is this merely a fair and unnoteworthy price to pay for RP> protecting the world against terrorists? All depends, I suppose. Of course we haven't established yet what that price is, and we've not had any proof that paying the price will protect anyone. RP> Is this mainly a public library issue, or are there RP> similar/different issues for academic and corporate libraries? Same issues in public as in publicly supported academic. Somewhat different for private academic, and definitely different in corporate, where the user doesn't have, and shouldn't expect, any privacy. RP> How much is this a specifically US issue? Hey, you asked about the PATRIOT ACT, right? RP> Are there comparable issues in other countries? What issues? Probably. RP> In what way is technology changing the debate? Is it? You've asked enough stuff here to write a book, not just an article. Of course technology is a factor, in about a dozen different dimensions. RP> What is the current situation, for instance, with regard to library RP> automation systems: are they encouraging the use of new RP> technological methods that might cause privacy concerns (maintenance RP> of records on reading habits/ electronic fingerprinting techniques RP> etc.), or are they being designed to automatically erase records. Is RP> this good or bad? Any library circulation system I've heard of breaks the link between borrower and item as soon as the item is returned and any delinquencies (fines, etc.) cleared up. Of course one could be designed differently, and some added information might be gleaned from backup tapes for some period of time. The online systems have actually increased privacy, as in "the olden days" your name that you signed on the card in the book pocket stayed there for a long time. RP> Are there issues also with regard to the tracking of usage of online RP> databases like Dialog/Lexis-Nexis etc.? What issues? Well, if you log into them individually, sure. However, in most libraries the user doesn't log in to the system, so you can't easily tell who did the search on making pipe bombs. Again, such would/could be possible if you had video surveillance and so forth on all your computers. RP> Other issues? Not enough yet? RP> I welcome comments for anyone with views and/or personal experience RP> of this. I am happy for any comments to be on or off the record (so RP> long as I know who has contacted me), I don't do off the record. Anything I say is always public and I'll always stand behind it. Anyone who does otherwise is dreaming, as "secrets" and "off the record" and "for your eyes only" always come back to bite you. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From pdeane at rla.lib.il.us Tue Jul 30 17:54:44 2002 From: pdeane at rla.lib.il.us (Paul Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:48 2005 Subject: Patriot Act Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216162C82D1@PDCRLPL> Most circulation systems break the link between patron an material borrowed except in modules for library outreach programs such as Library for the Blind and Handicapped or similar programs. Paul Deane Director Round Lake Area Library pdeane@rla.lib.il.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Jul 30 18:27:45 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Privacy, the USA Patriot Act, electronic fingerprinting to replace library cards etc. In-Reply-To: <11263590107.20020730120539@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <068001c23818$57ed3850$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Thought A: Response to Dan (but see Thought B, below) :Some of that sounds like somebody's creeping featurism because some :bozo library administrator wanted to know something once. I once had :someone in another library want a complex analysis of circulation by :day of week, by time of day, by class number, and by size of book. ... Not just "somebody..." and not just "once..." Not too long ago (a year or two?) I recall some library admins expressing impatience with the privacy-protecting features of online catalogs (not Jackie, mind you!). The allure of the sexy bell/whistle available once a passle of patron info was stored on a quasi-permanent basis seemed to blind these admins to potential crises. Those of us peeping, "but that could be a problem someday" were overlooked as Pleistocenes unwilling to get hip with the program. Haven't heard as much from these folks since we started reading about the USA PATRIOT Act (which is the FULL name, btw), TIPS, etc. In some ways, the older-guard admins, with their natural suspicions and their long memories, have been better curators of patron privacy than their "kewler" counterparts. There are indeed some features that are worth some trade-off. Fines, for example, which go hand-in-hand with helpful notices alerting patrons that they have overdue books. As someone who stores library books under the bed (so handy for late-night reading), I don't object to these notices... but they do constitute a trade-off... Thought B: The USA PATRIOT Act has more--FAR more--significance for libraries than simply the ramifications for online catalogs and similar databases. READ it. I wrote about this last spring for American Libraries; Mary Minow has some good stuff out there, as well. Me: http://www.ala.org/alonline/netlib/il302.html Mary and several more good sites: go to lii.org and type in Patriot Act I'm going to write a little more about this Act this summer... but just a bit of an expansion on this discussion... the USA PATRIOT Act is the Library Surveillance Program, on steroids and LSD. Think about roving wiretaps, the huge expansion of law enforcement capabilities, the gag orders. If Dan's aforesaid bored library administrator had received the right type of court order, the FBI could come on site almost indefinitely based on activities that happened elsewhere (e.g. they begin tracking someone at home and he starts using the library, and the wiretap order moves with the suspect!) and with very weak justification begin monitoring behavior, and require that the aforesaid dim-bulb administrator not say anything to anyone save his lawyer. Not staff, not the Library Board, not a letter to Library Journal... No, I'm not making this up, and I'm not exaggerating, either. That's the law; read it and weep! ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From cirwin at world.std.com Tue Jul 30 19:30:32 2002 From: cirwin at world.std.com (Charlie Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:48 2005 Subject: Mozilla Message-ID: <001101c23821$1a0f9420$b4abf343@oemcomputer> A quick question about Mozilla 1.1b - I'm trying to get the Home button to display on tool bar. No matter whether I check or uncheck the Display Home box in the Preferences, it won't appear, although other buttons do. Is this a bug or is there something I'm not finding? Thanks in advance... Charlie Irwin cirwin@theworld.com From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jul 30 20:39:36 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla In-Reply-To: <001101c23821$1a0f9420$b4abf343@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207302033530.23841-100000@overlord.tln.org> Charlie, You're not doing anything wrong. The home button never displays on the toolbar in Mozilla. It appears on the "Personal Toolbar". I consider this one of Mozilla's most egregious UI offenses. So do others: http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 However, the beauty of open source software is that enterprising coders can rectify these errors. Such is the case with this site which allows you to add your own "Home" button. http://home.no.net/trihand/mozilla/home/en/ I haven't tried it with 1.1b but it worked nicely with 1.0. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Charlie Irwin wrote: > A quick question about Mozilla 1.1b - I'm trying to get the Home button to > display on tool bar. No matter whether I check or uncheck the Display Home > box in the Preferences, it won't appear, although other buttons do. Is this > a bug or is there something I'm not finding? > > Thanks in advance... > > Charlie Irwin > cirwin@theworld.com > > > From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Tue Jul 30 17:34:15 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:24:48 2005 Subject: authentication for external users In-Reply-To: <3D41B234.51A110BC@ucalgary.ca> References: <3D41B234.51A110BC@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <2140321.1028050455@localhost> --On Friday, July 26, 2002 1:39 PM -0700 Robert Tiessen <tiessen@ucalgary.ca> wrote: > Because of security concerns, we are moving towards authenticating use > of our computers in the Information Commons. We particularly want to > discourage anonymous emails. We would still like to allow external > users to have access to our computers, especially to have access to our > catalogue and licenced databases. How have other libraries handled > this? When I was working in Ohio, I heard a presentation by the University of Toledo computing department about how they were installing a system called "Public Port" in their public spaces and off-campus apartments. It works very similar to the hotel systems -- you just plug your laptop in with any network settings, authenticate (or pay, in the case of hotels), and off you go. There used to be a website at <http://www.publicport.com/> but I'm not sure if it is there anymore. (I'm composing this message offline.) The PublicPort company was bought out by a company called TutSystems, and they renamed the product, so you may have to hunt to find it. It was relatively cheap ($5,000 -- 1997 dollars -- for 1000 ports), and I believe other companies (like cisco) have similar systems. It works by tying a dedicated VLAN to each port on a switch. That VLAN sends all IP traffic to the Public Port system. When you launch a web browser, the authentication page would come up no matter what URL you requested. When you authenticated yourself, the port opened up. You could offer several classes of services depending on the user or user's group. You can also offer "guest access" which could be locked down to just particular services/sites. One final feature was that it continued to scan the IP stream, intercept port 25/tcp (SMTP), and add a "Received:" header on the outgoing message with the authenticated user's information. Very neat stuff. I'd like to implement it, but I can't get anyone excited about all of the open network ports on campus. (Or at least until we get burned a few times.) Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From rsk at magpage.com Thu Jul 4 11:03:30 2002 From: rsk at magpage.com (Rich Kulawiec) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web Advertising In-Reply-To: <3D233708.B892AE0B@sdcll.org> References: <3D233708.B892AE0B@sdcll.org> Message-ID: <20020704150330.GA14881@gsp.org> On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 10:20:29AM -0700, Jean Willis wrote: > I am seeking information from any libraries who may utilize advertising > on their library web pages. Some libraries have been using links to > various book vendors/stores in "affiliate programs." These programs pay > the library a percentage of the fee if a customer purchases something > after arriving at the commercial site via the library website. I doubt that the revenue derived would amount to much; here's a quote from: http://www.msnbc.com/news/774972.asp?0bl=-0 which is an article entitled "Viewers just aren't responding to online marketing" by Vanessa O'Connell of the Wall Street Journal: July 2 - Consumers aren't clicking on banners, buttons and other annoying Internet ads-and now, they aren't responding to special e-mail links either. The latest data regarding online marketing show a sharp decrease in the consumer response to e-mail advertisements and promotions, and represent yet another bout of bad news for the recession-plagued online advertising industry. The current so-called average click-through rate on e-mail advertisements is an anemic 1.8%, according to estimates by the New York research firm eMarketer. That is down sharply from last year, when the rate was more than 3%. [...] Add to this the means by which users can block advertising on web pages -- the tools at www.junkbusters.org, banner-ad blocking proxies, browsers which prohibit the opening of unrequested windows (e.g. Mozilla), anti-spam blacklists and so on, and there are plenty of ways for people to avoid having unwanted advertising take up their time and screen real estate. As a consequence, online advertising is becoming increasingly ineffective -- which I happen to think is a highly positive development, but doesn't bode well for the direction you're contemplating. (Example: I use a caching web proxy (squid) behind the firewall on my connection. It's configured to block about 1800 sites entirely (these are banner ad sites like advertising.com, doubleclick.com, and so on). I use Mozilla as my browser and have instructed it to ignore animated GIFs, refuse cookies, refuse to open unauthorized windows or resize the current one. Mail is delivered via sendmail, which has a list of about 12,500 domains and 48,000 user addresses in the local spam blacklist. I then use fetchmail to POP my mail, which is then pushed through procmail using SpamAssassin to try to nail whatever makes it past sendmail's filters. Granted, not everyone goes to these lengths -- yet. But the relentless onslaught of advertising is driving demand for end-user solutions to remove it, and so both free and commercial software solutions which tackle the problem are rapidly evolving and becoming available for a variety of computing platforms.) References: <li> <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/"> Mozilla</a> <li> <a href="http://www.junkbusters.org/"> Junkbusters</a> <li> <a href="http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/"> Squid Internet Object Cache</a> <li> <a href="http://www.sendmail.org/"> Sendmail</a> <li> <a href="http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/"> Procmail</a> <li> <a href="http://www.spamassassin.org/"> SpamAssassin</a> ---Rsk From jdidonato at rla.lib.il.us Tue Jul 9 14:36:37 2002 From: jdidonato at rla.lib.il.us (Jim Didonato) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WinU problems? In-Reply-To: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216162C81AE@PDCRLPL> Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161C596C@PDCRLPL> Eric, My name is Jim DiDonato, and I am the Head of Technology at the Round Lake Area Library in Round Lake Illinois. We are currently running WinU version 5.1 with Windows 98 and using Internet Explorer version 6.0. We have been using WinU with this configuration for almost 2 years and have not had the trouble you're describing. We added Public Web Browser as an Internet Explorer front-end a few months ago, and PWB has worked almost flawlessly during this time. Here are a couple of things you may want to check: 1.) Make sure power saving features in the BIOS are either disabled or enabled but set to never shut down your computers. 2.) Make sure you have the latest patches / plug-ins for both Windows 2000 and Netscape. 3.) You could always test this with Internet Explorer. (Please forgive me if this suggestion is next to heresy at your library. We went with IE when Netscape quit releasing updates a few years ago and haven't moved back since.) 4.) If you're pulling the WinU configuration file (clone.bds) from a server drive, you may want to make sure the permissions are set so each workstation has access to the WinU directory. 2000 permissions can cause some weird problems if not set correctly. alternately, you could try saving the WinU configuration file to the hard drive of a machine to test this out. Good luck!! -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Paul Deane Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:44 PM To: Jim DiDonato Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] WinU problems? Jim, Please respond to this list about this particular questions. Paul Deane Director Round Lake Area Library pdeane@rla.lib.il.us <mailto:pdeane@rla.lib.il.us> -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Eric M. Battaglia Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] WinU problems? Hello, I checked the archives for this subject, but didn't see anything recently posted, so I'm sorry if this has been covered before. I'm the technology manager at a small public library where we've been using WinU on our public database computers for the past three months. We've been experiencing problems with WinU freezing up, often when we are running a program or trying to shut down. Has anyone heard of any conflicts WinU might have with Windows 2000 or maybe Netscape Navigator? Thanks, Eric Battaglia Technology Manager Adult Services Forest Park Public Library From Robertson at ADM.NJIT.EDU Tue Jul 9 16:21:00 2002 From: Robertson at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Robertson, James) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:12 2005 Subject: job at NJIT - branch library director Message-ID: <E7DB63F7BA58D21195DD0000D110ADE00B5C43D3@adm.njit.edu> * Are you a librarian with excellent reference skills? * Who has web and technology skills such as HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML/XSL. * And the ability to use create and manage databases such as MS Access, MySQL, MS SQL. * And the experience on getting such data out to the web using such software as ColdFusion, PHP, ASP? * Are you responsible, creative, innovative, and a team player? * And looking a position with some supervisor responsibilities? We're looking to fill a position at the New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJ's flagship sci/tech research university). The job has been posted previously, but I don't think here on Web4Lib. The person we hire will direct a branch library on campus. The person will work very, very closely with the faculty who use the branch library. The person will be responsible for such things as ongoing digital imaging project, book acqusitions, reference service, liaison activity with said faculty, and so forth. Please contact me by voice, fax, or email if you want to apply or are curious about more information. We're looking to fill the position by August. --Jim Jim Robertson Assistant University Librarian Van Houten Library New Jersey Institute of Technology 323 King Blvd. Newark, NJ 07102-1982 (973) 596-5798 -- fax is (973) 643-5601 -- james.c.robertson@njit.edu From king at julip.fcgov.com Tue Jul 9 16:55:15 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:12 2005 Subject: Pharos upgrade? Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207091449370.24950-100000@julip.fcgov.com> I'm using Pharos UniPrint v 4.6 for pay-for-print services and am wanting to upgrade to the latest version including an addition of SignUp (PC reservation). If anyone has done this, please let me know if you've experienced any trouble upgrading Pharos products. Our brand of Pharos currently runs on SQL 7 on an NT box and the clients are a mix of NT and W2K. TIA, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From soconnr at interlog.com Tue Jul 9 21:59:12 2002 From: soconnr at interlog.com (S. O'Connor) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:12 2005 Subject: Fwd: Remote customer authentication in public libraries Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020709215753.01c11490@mail.interlog.com> Forwarded. Please respond to the list. >I am interested in finding out what public libraries are doing with >regards to remote customer authentication for access to third-party >commercial databases. > >Specifically, are there any libraries out there limiting remote access to >electronic resources only to library card holders in "good standing" with >the library? In other words, are patrons denied remote access if, for >example, their library cards' priviledges have been suspended, have >outstanding fines or have any other kind of blocks on their records? > >So far, I have only talked to libraries whose authentication system weeds >out remote users simply on the basis of them having a valid card or not. > >Thank you very much. > >&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > >TV > > > > > > > >---------- >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From lisrw at ukoln.ac.uk Wed Jul 17 07:43:30 2002 From: lisrw at ukoln.ac.uk (Richard Waller) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: New issue of Cultivate Interactive Message-ID: <019401c22d87$2cd61e20$3f92268a@ukoln.ac.uk> Hello everyone, A brief message to announce the arrival of the latest issue of Cultivate Interactive http://www.cultivate-int.org/ a Web magazine which is funded under the European Commission's Digital Heritage and Cultural Content (DIGICULT) programme. The current issue contains feature articles on the ARTISTE, COINE, COVAX, KALLIOPE, PRESTO, PULMAN, SciX, TOURBOT and VALHALLA projects from the DIGICULT Programme together with other feature articles and pieces on recent and forthcoming events and other news items. Would you please pass this message on to other interested persons,with my thanks, Best regards, Richard Waller Editor Cultivate Interactive UKOLN The Library University of Bath Bath BA2 7AY UK tel +44 (0) 1225 383570 fax +44 (0) 1225 386838 email r.waller@ukoln.ac.uk web http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jul 17 07:44:11 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Remote Access Solution? References: <3D348C2C.36424991@tln.lib.mi.us> <241153769222.20020716163433@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3D35588B.50252DE7@tln.lib.mi.us> Thanks to Dan and Bill Jenkins for clarifying this issue for me. I didn't realize that EZProxy was also capable of managing that element of the process. It sounds like it will let me do everything that the staff wants for remote access. Imagine that! Now I can see why so many of the EZProxy users have sung its praises. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Dan Lester wrote: > Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 3:17:03 PM, you wrote: > > AM> 1) A single point of authentication > > Yes. > > AM> 2) Authentication wouldn't be required until the patron actually > AM> selected a database to access. It was felt that the current process > AM> doesn't give patrons any kind of information before > AM> asking them for their barcode number. In the ideal case, patrons > AM> would get an idea of what they are getting before having to authenticate. > > Absolutely. Look at http://library.boisestate.edu/indexes/ > > AM> 3) Once a patron authenticates for one database, they should not have to > AM> authenticate again in the same session. > > They don't have to. Once they've authenticated to EZProxy they're OK > until they close the browser. EZProxy handles the cookies. > > AM> 4) Only use a single set of pages. I don't want to have to maintain > AM> two sets of pages, one for use in the library and one for use outside > AM> the library, if I can help it. > > You won't. We have one page for the list of indexes, cited > above. We have one authentication page. Contact me off list and I'll > give you a logon that will work for access to these so you can test it > out and see if it doesn't do what you want. > > AM> Items 1, 2 and 4 don't appear to be that difficult to achieve. I can > AM> think of two approaches for having one set of pages handle in-house and > AM> remote users: > > AM> A) Use EZProxy to allow all users to appear as if they are accessing > AM> the databases locally. I have a license for EZProxy so this is an > AM> option. One issue I haven't figured out is how to > AM> keep out unauthorized users. > > Within the library anyone can use the system. For outside your IP > range they have to authenticate, using whatever scheme works for you. > We have a simple list of ID number and Phone number pairs that are > extracted from our patron database. It is a flat text file of the > form: > 12345654:1234 > 34568987:4567 > > AM> B) Use an IP detection script on each link that would either pass > AM> the user along to the appropriate database or send them to the > AM> authentication page. > > EZProxy does all that for you. > > AM> The trick here for me is #3. Once I have authenticated a user, > AM> how do I keep them from having to authenticate more than once? > AM> I'm guessing that the solution to this is setting a session > AM> cookie that gets checked in some way. But I haven't done anything > AM> with cookies in this way. Or maybe there is a better way to do this? > AM> I'm sure there is a way to have my cake and eat it > AM> too. I just don't know where I should be directing my efforts here. > > Again, EZProxy does it all for you. > > If those of us up in the deserts of Idaho can do it, I'm sure you can > too. Really simple. Contact me off list if you want more info. > > cheers > > dan > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From info at galwaylibrary.ie Wed Jul 17 09:44:35 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: launching executables within a browser Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE91@galway-primary> Hi, On our public internet access computers, we would like the public to be able to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer 5x browser. Is there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and that will not compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what programs can be run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to construct our own customisable desktop from which applications can be launched and which is secure? I would appreciate any help. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jul 17 09:50:53 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Remote Access Solution? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020716192803.022004d8@mail145.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020716192803.022004d8@mail145.pair.com> Message-ID: <291208749299.20020717075053@riverofdata.com> The original setup for EZProxy had each user session using a different four digit port in a range I've already forgotten. Naturally, users behind corporate or other firewalls had those ports blocked and couldn't access the resources they wanted. In the last six months or so a new version of EZProxy allows you to handle all traffic on port 80, so the firewall problems go away. We've had no complaints about access problems behind firewalls since that time. As to keeping things up to date regarding our resources, we leave that up to the fine folks at TDNet. As part of our TDNet service we receive a new ezproxy.cfg file each week. They spin it off from their records of our holdings, so we only have to replace it each Monday to give the users the latest access. cheers dan Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 5:29:32 PM, you wrote: LRK> Ditto on Dan's advice from the wilds of Manhattan. It's worked out quite LRK> well for us. I guess, the biggest challenge is keeping the config file LRK> listing all the subscription databases current. We also have some problems LRK> with students at their places of employment due to firewall issues on their LRK> part. Nothing's ever 100% perfect. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From bjones at unf.edu Wed Jul 17 10:03:35 2002 From: bjones at unf.edu (Bob Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser In-Reply-To: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE91@galway-primary> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.42.0207170956330.1918-100000@osprey.unf.edu> You may want to look at Envisionware's Launch Command: http://www.envisionware.com/launch/index.htm The piece on your local PC is a web browser plug-in. The executables are on your local server, so those users without the plug-in and/or the network access will not be able to reach the applications. It runs from URLs on your web pages. We've been using it for years to run CD-ROM apps, but it can run any compatible executable. Each service you want to run has its own definition file. Bob Jones Robert P. Jones, M.S.L.S. Head, Library Public Services & Library Systems Thomas G. Carpenter Library University of North Florida Library - Building 12 4567 St. Johns Bluff Road, South P.O. Box 17605 Jacksonville, FL 32245-7605 bjones@unf.edu Telephone 904-620-2552 FAX 904-620-2719 On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Info Galway Library wrote: > Hi, > > On our public internet access computers, we would like the public to be able > to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer 5x browser. Is > there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and that will not > compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what programs can be > run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to > launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. > > Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to construct our own > customisable desktop from which applications can be launched and which is > secure? > > I would appreciate any help. > > Regards > John Fitzgibbon > > Galway Public Library > Island House > Cathedral Square > Galway > Ireland > > http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > Phone: 00 353 91 562471 > Fax: 00 353 91 565039 > > > From info at galwaylibrary.ie Wed Jul 17 10:44:29 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: launching executables from within Internet Explorer 5x Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE92@galway-primary> Hi, A thought occurred to me. Is it possible to use VBScript to launch a program? I don't believe it can be done with JavaScript. Thanks in advance. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Wed Jul 17 11:06:08 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAF11@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> Based on recommendations from the list we have been using Kixstart (from the NT Resource Kit) It allows you to write essentially batch files to mount cd's run exe's etc - The files use the extension .kix - so you just associate .kix with the kix executable -- and so far we havent found anything we couldnt make run. Pleasantly it still worked fine after we moved to W2k Paul H. Gray Library Manager - LRC LAN & CLC TCC Northeast Campus Hurst, TX 817-515-6623 > -----Original Message----- > From: Info Galway Library [mailto:info@galwaylibrary.ie] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:47 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser > > > Hi, > > On our public internet access computers, we would like the > public to be able > to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer > 5x browser. Is > there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and > that will not > compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what > programs can be > run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to > launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. > > Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to > construct our own > customisable desktop from which applications can be launched > and which is > secure? > > I would appreciate any help. > > Regards > John Fitzgibbon > > Galway Public Library > Island House > Cathedral Square > Galway > Ireland > > http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > Phone: 00 353 91 562471 > Fax: 00 353 91 565039 > > > From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Jul 17 12:04:32 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser In-Reply-To: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA6550109CE91@galway-primary> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHGEIJFGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> We've been using NTScript from rethinkit for several years now and have been pleased http://www.rethinkit.com Just set an association for .prg files with the ntscript executable on the client machines. We have used it to run executables from Novell servers, CD Towers, NT Servers, and the local machine from links on a web page. It also has several other features such as logging into a server and mounting drives on different platforms. We have also used it to create scripts that can be run from the web to remove viruses by including directions to change or delete information from the registry and the disk. I've used this program to create a script to run winipcfg.exe from a browser URL when I wanted ip information on a public machine and did not want to have to logout from the secure public user and relogin under our systems login to access this program. The script syntax is simple using a text editor,ie. sub main shell "c:\windows\winipcfg.exe" endsub Another usefull tool at Rethinkit is a free program called NagMe. This program can display html messages before running a program. Let's say you have found printing problems with Netscape when searching Ebsco. You can have this program popup a message before running Netscape to inform the patron of the print problem and suggest another available browser. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Info Galway Library Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser Hi, On our public internet access computers, we would like the public to be able to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer 5x browser. Is there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and that will not compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what programs can be run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to construct our own customisable desktop from which applications can be launched and which is secure? I would appreciate any help. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From Reeder.Norm at mail.ci.torrance.ca.us Wed Jul 17 13:24:42 2002 From: Reeder.Norm at mail.ci.torrance.ca.us (Reeder Norm) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser Message-ID: <806DA027B6C5D111BBF800A0C9AB18AE02B2D4FB@EXCHANGE_SVR> When networked CD-ROM's were the vogue, we used "w3launch", which still shows up on a Google search. Like some of the other programs described, the actual launch scripts are on the server so it keeps security tight. Handled anything we wanted back then. You created URL's that called a w3launch file, which then went to the server and launched the real w3launch script. It was free ware. Thanks Norm Reeder Torrance Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Info Galway Library [mailto:info@galwaylibrary.ie] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:46 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] launching executables within a browser Hi, On our public internet access computers, we would like the public to be able to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer 5x browser. Is there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and that will not compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what programs can be run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to construct our own customisable desktop from which applications can be launched and which is secure? I would appreciate any help. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu Wed Jul 17 13:48:55 2002 From: Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu (Howard Pasternack) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: launching executables within a browser In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.42.0207170956330.1918-100000@osprey.unf.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717134700.0216c808@postoffice.brown.edu> We use a free and somewhat ancient solution called W3launch. It will only work on machines which you can pre-configure. -- Howard At 07:09 AM 7/17/2002 -0700, Bob Jones wrote: >You may want to look at Envisionware's Launch Command: >http://www.envisionware.com/launch/index.htm The piece on your local PC is >a web browser plug-in. The executables are on your local server, so those >users without the plug-in and/or the network access will not be able to >reach the applications. It runs from URLs on your web pages. We've been >using it for years to run CD-ROM apps, but it can run any compatible >executable. Each service you want to run has its own definition file. > > >Bob Jones > >Robert P. Jones, M.S.L.S. >Head, Library Public Services & Library Systems >Thomas G. Carpenter Library >University of North Florida >Library - Building 12 >4567 St. Johns Bluff Road, South >P.O. Box 17605 >Jacksonville, FL 32245-7605 >bjones@unf.edu Telephone 904-620-2552 FAX 904-620-2719 > >On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Info Galway Library wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On our public internet access computers, we would like the public to be > able > > to launch specified executables using the Internet Explorer 5x browser. Is > > there a utility or plug in that will allow us to do this and that will not > > compromise security? We use policy editor to specify what programs can be > > run on these computers so the public constructing their own webpage to > > launch undesirable programs should not be an issue, I hope. > > > > Alternatively, is there a utility that will allow us to construct our own > > customisable desktop from which applications can be launched and which is > > secure? > > > > I would appreciate any help. > > > > Regards > > John Fitzgibbon > > > > Galway Public Library > > Island House > > Cathedral Square > > Galway > > Ireland > > > > http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > > > Phone: 00 353 91 562471 > > Fax: 00 353 91 565039 > > > > > > From CHUDSON at flower-mound.com Wed Jul 17 13:56:43 2002 From: CHUDSON at flower-mound.com (Connie Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: CSS or JavaScript Message-ID: <E8F1C174E71ED51185A500508B93663801DF6FCF@MAIL> I would like to create a rollover effect on a menu item that creates a drop down menu with hyperlinks. Example: When the mouse is positioned over the Children's button, I would like a drop down menu of links to Summer Reading Club, Storytime, Reading Lists, etc. I have a book on Javascript that references the effect but talks about using CSS. Do I need to get a book on CSS to get the instructions for what I want to do? Any pointers will be very appreciated. Thanks Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator chudson@flower-mound.com Flower Mound Public Library 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 From feldner at students.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 17 14:20:28 2002 From: feldner at students.uiuc.edu (feldner) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: netscape vs. internet explorer Message-ID: <3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu> hello. just a question if you don't mind... i am currently taking a web design class under joyce latham. for one of our assignments we had to make a table. unfortunately, the table that i created can only be viewed in explorer. when viewed in netscape, all that appears is the purple-ish background. (the table: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/feldner/icecream_table.html) could someone possibly explain to me why this is happening? thank you very much. sincerely, sarah m feldner graduate school of library and information science university of illinois, urbana-champaign From plum at ulink.net Wed Jul 17 14:26:10 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: style switcher In-Reply-To: <3CC556A3.6090005@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <B95B20F2.1288%plum@ulink.net> I put together a javascript to switch styles on Mac & Win platforms in Netscape and IE and NS pre-4.7 on Win. (We have a Mac server running WebStar, and there are not too many ssi's.) The test page that uses the script and styles is here: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/no_at.html The styles are http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nsmac.css http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iemac.css http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nswin.css http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iewin.css http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/ns47win.css The script is here: http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js The only thing that's not "working" is that in NS on Mac the header tags are tiny. Is it always necessary to declare header tags when using a remote style sheets? I would also greatly appreciate any warnings of impending doom should I implement this by including the code in our header ssi that appears on all pages. Below is http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js var ostype=navigator.platform.substring(0,3) var browstype=navigator.appName var browsver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion) var browsverver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.charAt(2)) var browsverns6=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.substring(0,1)) //mac ns aqua medium - mac ie yellow x-small - win ns red small - win ie green small - win ns47 orange x-small if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nsmac.css" />') } if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iemac.css" />'); } if (browstype=="Netscape"&&ostype=="Win"&&browsver>=4&&browsverver=="7"||browsv er>=6) { document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nswin.css" />'); } if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsverver<="6"&&ostype=="Win") { document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ns47win.css" />'); } if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Win") { document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iewin.css" />'); } End of js code ********************************* Also for convenience, here's nsmac.css: td {border-color:gray; border-style:solid; border-width:1px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} th {border-color:gray; border-style:solid; border-width:2px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:large;font-weight:400} p,ul{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} li{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} a{color:00ffff} body{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;font-size:medium} Thanks. Nancy From agjf1 at nsh.library.ns.ca Wed Jul 17 11:28:41 2002 From: agjf1 at nsh.library.ns.ca (Jeremy Foster) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netscape vs. internet explorer In-Reply-To: _3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu_ Message-ID: <102693052131879-17152831879agjf1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> Hi Sarah, The problem is simply a missing end table tag. just add </table> and it should work fine in Netscape. -Jeremy On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 feldner wrote: > hello. just a question if you don't mind... > > i am currently taking a web design class under joyce latham. for one of our > assignments we had to make a table. unfortunately, the table that i created > can only be viewed in explorer. when viewed in netscape, all that appears is > the purple-ish background. > > (the table: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/feldner/icecream_table.html) > > could someone possibly explain to me why this is happening? > > thank you very much. > > sincerely, > sarah m feldner > graduate school of library and information science > university of illinois, urbana-champaign > > > Jeremy Foster HRL Webmaster ----------------------------------- agjf1@nsh.library.ns.ca Tel: (902)490-5670 http://www.halifax.library.ns.ca ----------------------------------- Alderney Gate Library 60 Alderney Drive Dartmouth, NS, B2Y 4P8 ----------------------------------- From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Wed Jul 17 14:34:15 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS or JavaScript In-Reply-To: <E8F1C174E71ED51185A500508B93663801DF6FCF@MAIL> Message-ID: <000201c22dc0$8e0ad300$68601681@digilib> The most cross-platform compatible way to do this (assuming you're willing to require version 5.x or later browsers) would be to use CSS. Through CSS you would use named DIVs and manipulate their position and visibility as needed. Additionally, using CSS you do not need to be concerned with what happens if the client has disabled scripting in their browser, or if their browser supports scripting at all. Having said all of that, you should download a copy of either Lynx (http://www.trill-home.com/lynx.html) or Links (http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/) text mode browsers to make sure they are still accessible. Both Lynx and Links are open-source projects for Linux, BSD, etc... But, they DO have windows version available. Reasons to not concern yourself with browsers pre v.5: - CSS is only partially implemented so there are restrictions. - You don't enable people to cling to their obsolete software that they can upgrade for free. - You don't have nearly as many things to sniff for when you do have a cross-browser issue. Recommended texts for CSS: * Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide. Eric A. Meyer, O'Reilly (c) May 2000 1-56592-622-6 * Cascading Style Sheets 2.0: Programmer's Reference Eric A. Meyer, Osborne (c) 2001 0-07-213178-0 See also http://www.meyerweb.com/css/ One final thought: Macromedia Dreamweaver. Keith D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> (216)368-0559 Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ "Follow the white rabbit." -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Connie Hudson Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 02:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS or JavaScript I would like to create a rollover effect on a menu item that creates a drop down menu with hyperlinks. Example: When the mouse is positioned over the Children's button, I would like a drop down menu of links to Summer Reading Club, Storytime, Reading Lists, etc. I have a book on Javascript that references the effect but talks about using CSS. Do I need to get a book on CSS to get the instructions for what I want to do? Any pointers will be very appreciated. Thanks Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator chudson@flower-mound.com Flower Mound Public Library 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Jul 17 14:35:28 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netscape vs. internet explorer In-Reply-To: <3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717143204.03fba0a0@mail.rpi.edu> Looking at your source code I note that the ending table tag (< /table>) is missing. You'll find that IE is much more "forgiving" of authoring errors than Netscape is. If you validate your code when encountering problems of this nature, the validator will very likely find the problem for you. (Validators can be a web designers best friend!) I like this one: http://validator.w3.org/ Regards, -kb At 11:25 AM 7/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >hello. just a question if you don't mind... > >i am currently taking a web design class under joyce latham. for one of our >assignments we had to make a table. unfortunately, the table that i created >can only be viewed in explorer. when viewed in netscape, all that appears is >the purple-ish background. > >(the table: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/feldner/icecream_table.html) > >could someone possibly explain to me why this is happening? > >thank you very much. > >sincerely, >sarah m feldner >graduate school of library and information science >university of illinois, urbana-champaign _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute RPInfo: http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo/ Kiosk: http://j2ee.rpi.edu:8080/kiosk/setup.do From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jul 17 14:36:11 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netscape vs. internet explorer In-Reply-To: <3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207171433190.1374-100000@overlord.tln.org> Sarah, A quick peek at the code shows no closing </table> tag at the end of your table. I'm sure that is what Netscape is choking on. You might also want to run your table through a Validator to help clean up the code. NYPL's Style Guide provides links and some helpful comments: http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/xhtml/validation.html Of course, Joyce is on this list... :) Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, feldner wrote: > hello. just a question if you don't mind... > > i am currently taking a web design class under joyce latham. for one of our > assignments we had to make a table. unfortunately, the table that i created > can only be viewed in explorer. when viewed in netscape, all that appears is > the purple-ish background. > > (the table: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/feldner/icecream_table.html) > > could someone possibly explain to me why this is happening? > > thank you very much. > > sincerely, > sarah m feldner > graduate school of library and information science > university of illinois, urbana-champaign > > > From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Jul 17 14:42:32 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] style switcher In-Reply-To: <B95B20F2.1288%plum@ulink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717143739.04107110@mail.rpi.edu> You're incredibly ambitious to develop so many highly specific style sheets! I prefer to take a quicker route and link/import sheets in ways that take advantage of browser quirks (i.e., incomplete or buggy CSS implementations). I'm then able to write styles for browsers that conform to specs and styles for those that don't, often resulting in only two or three sheets at most. This table on "How to hide CSS" may be useful for you: http://pixels.pixelpark.com/~koch/hide_css_from_browsers/summary/ I realize this doesn't answer your question but I hope it helps somehow. -kb At 11:32 AM 7/17/2002 -0700, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >I put together a javascript to switch styles on Mac & Win platforms in >Netscape and IE and NS pre-4.7 on Win. (We have a Mac server running >WebStar, and there are not too many ssi's.) > > >The test page that uses the script and styles is here: >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/no_at.html > >The styles are >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nsmac.css >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iemac.css >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nswin.css >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iewin.css >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/ns47win.css > >The script is here: >http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js > >The only thing that's not "working" is that in NS on Mac the >header tags are tiny. Is it always necessary to declare header tags when >using a remote style sheets? > >I would also greatly appreciate any warnings of impending doom should I >implement this by including the code in our header ssi that appears on all >pages. > >Below is http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js > >var ostype=navigator.platform.substring(0,3) >var browstype=navigator.appName >var browsver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion) >var browsverver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.charAt(2)) >var browsverns6=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.substring(0,1)) > >//mac ns aqua medium - mac ie yellow x-small - win ns red small - win ie >green small - win ns47 orange x-small > >if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { >document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nsmac.css" />') >} > >if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { >document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iemac.css" >/>'); >} > > >if >(browstype=="Netscape"&&ostype=="Win"&&browsver>=4&&browsverver=="7"||browsv >er>=6) { >document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nswin.css" >/>'); >} > >if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsverver<="6"&&ostype=="Win") { >document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ns47win.css" >/>'); >} > > >if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Win") { >document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iewin.css" >/>'); >} >End of js code >********************************* > >Also for convenience, here's nsmac.css: > >td {border-color:gray; > border-style:solid; > border-width:1px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; >font-size:medium} > >th {border-color:gray; > border-style:solid; > border-width:2px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; >font-size:large;font-weight:400} >p,ul{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} >li{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} > >a{color:00ffff} >body{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;font-size:medium} > >Thanks. >Nancy _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute RPInfo: http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo/ Kiosk: http://j2ee.rpi.edu:8080/kiosk/setup.do From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jul 17 14:48:54 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netscape vs. internet explorer In-Reply-To: <3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu> References: <3D4E7CAD@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <1451226630421.20020717124854@riverofdata.com> You're missing a </table> tag at the end of the table. NS won't render the table if it isn't closed properly. dan Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:22:20 PM, you wrote: f> hello. just a question if you don't mind... f> i am currently taking a web design class under joyce latham. for one of our f> assignments we had to make a table. unfortunately, the table that i created f> can only be viewed in explorer. when viewed in netscape, all that appears is f> the purple-ish background. f> (the table: http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/feldner/icecream_table.html) f> could someone possibly explain to me why this is happening? f> thank you very much. f> sincerely, f> sarah m feldner f> graduate school of library and information science f> university of illinois, urbana-champaign -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From feldner at students.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 17 15:11:31 2002 From: feldner at students.uiuc.edu (feldner) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: netscape vs. internet explorer Message-ID: <3D4EFA4B@webmail.uiuc.edu> thank you all very much for your help!! sarah From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Wed Jul 17 15:14:04 2002 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: Content Management - specifically Manila and Frontier Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6C785@EX2> Hi all - I have a question that may well have already been asked, but I can't seem to find answers in the Web4Lib archive. So here goes: Are any libraries using the Frontier web server (http://frontier.userland.com/ ) and the Manila content management system that comes with it? If so, I'd love to see your site :-) Any thoughts on the pros and cons of CMS would also be welcome. We are beginning to look at redesign and with it a move to content management. I know there are a lot of Zope adherents on the list - but Zope looks a little complicated for one of my (admittedly limited) technical skills... :-) I would like to see some Zope sites too, or any library web sites which are built using a content management system. (Preferably those coming from packaged, not homegrown systems.) Thanks. Jeff Kuntzman Internet Librarian Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 17 16:37:55 2002 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Content Management - specifically Manila and Frontier In-Reply-To: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6C785@EX2> References: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6C785@EX2> Message-ID: <p05001903b95b83a0e2d8@[128.114.238.171]> We use Zope at UCSC as a development platform for specialized Web services. The majority of our Web pages are plain-vanilla HTML but there are quite a few that have dynamic content or services and for these we use Zope. Some examples can be found at: http://library.ucsc.edu/eresources/index.html http://library.ucsc.edu/Zope/science/ejournals/ http://library.ucsc.edu/Zope/computing/help http://library.ucsc.edu/access/SlugExpress/webservices/ http://library.ucsc.edu/lauc/diversity/ I'm no programmer and I haven't found the learning curve too steep. -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz >Hi all - >I have a question that may well have already been asked, >but I can't seem to find answers in the Web4Lib archive. >So here goes: Are any libraries using >the Frontier web server (http://frontier.userland.com/ ) and >the Manila content management system that comes with it? > >If so, I'd love to see your site :-) Any thoughts on the pros >and cons of CMS would also be welcome. > >We are beginning to look at redesign and with it a move to >content management. I know there are a lot of Zope adherents on >the list - but Zope looks a little complicated >for one of my (admittedly limited) technical skills... :-) > >I would like to see some Zope sites too, or any library web sites >which are built using a content management system. (Preferably >those coming from packaged, not homegrown systems.) >Thanks. >Jeff Kuntzman >Internet Librarian >Denison Memorial Library >University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver From plum at ulink.net Wed Jul 17 17:10:29 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: style switcher In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717143739.04107110@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <B95B4775.12B6%plum@ulink.net> Kevin, I tried using the link/import bug first, but ran into the issue of Netscape on PC displaying larger fonts than IE on PC, and the reverse on Mac. Do you code for Mac? If yes, how do you allow for that discrepancy when using the @import for IE and link rel for NS? Thanks for the input, Nancy P.S.: Note name of the js file ends in "noat" for 'no @' ;) on 7/17/02 1:56 PM, Kevin W. Bishop at bishopk@rpi.edu wrote: > > You're incredibly ambitious to develop so many highly specific style > sheets! I prefer to take a quicker route and link/import sheets in ways > that take advantage of browser quirks (i.e., incomplete or buggy CSS > implementations). I'm then able to write styles for browsers that conform > to specs and styles for those that don't, often resulting in only two or > three sheets at most. > > This table on "How to hide CSS" may be useful for you: > http://pixels.pixelpark.com/~koch/hide_css_from_browsers/summary/ > > I realize this doesn't answer your question but I hope it helps somehow. > > -kb > > > At 11:32 AM 7/17/2002 -0700, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >> I put together a javascript to switch styles on Mac & Win platforms in >> Netscape and IE and NS pre-4.7 on Win. (We have a Mac server running >> WebStar, and there are not too many ssi's.) >> >> >> The test page that uses the script and styles is here: >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/no_at.html >> >> The styles are >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nsmac.css >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iemac.css >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nswin.css >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/iewin.css >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/ns47win.css >> >> The script is here: >> http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js >> >> The only thing that's not "working" is that in NS on Mac the >> header tags are tiny. Is it always necessary to declare header tags when >> using a remote style sheets? >> >> I would also greatly appreciate any warnings of impending doom should I >> implement this by including the code in our header ssi that appears on all >> pages. >> >> Below is http://www.lib.lfc.edu/testpages/nesbstylesnoat.js >> >> var ostype=navigator.platform.substring(0,3) >> var browstype=navigator.appName >> var browsver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion) >> var browsverver=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.charAt(2)) >> var browsverns6=parseInt(navigator.appVersion.substring(0,1)) >> >> //mac ns aqua medium - mac ie yellow x-small - win ns red small - win ie >> green small - win ns47 orange x-small >> >> if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { >> document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nsmac.css" />') >> } >> >> if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Mac") { >> document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iemac.css" >> />'); >> } >> >> >> if >> (browstype=="Netscape"&&ostype=="Win"&&browsver>=4&&browsverver=="7"||browsv >> er>=6) { >> document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="nswin.css" >> />'); >> } >> >> if (browstype=="Netscape"&&browsverver<="6"&&ostype=="Win") { >> document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ns47win.css" >> />'); >> } >> >> >> if (browstype=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"&&browsver>=4&&ostype=="Win") { >> document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iewin.css" >> />'); >> } >> End of js code >> ********************************* >> >> Also for convenience, here's nsmac.css: >> >> td {border-color:gray; >> border-style:solid; >> border-width:1px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; >> font-size:medium} >> >> th {border-color:gray; >> border-style:solid; >> border-width:2px;font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; >> font-size:large;font-weight:400} >> p,ul{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} >> li{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size:medium} >> >> a{color:00ffff} >> body{font-family:arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;font-size:medium} >> >> Thanks. >> Nancy > > _________________________________________ > Kevin W. Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu > Communication & Collaboration Technologies > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > RPInfo: http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo/ > Kiosk: http://j2ee.rpi.edu:8080/kiosk/setup.do > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Jul 17 17:28:53 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: style switcher In-Reply-To: <B95B4775.12B6%plum@ulink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717171518.02a532b8@ohiolink.edu> At 05:13 PM 7/17/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >Kevin, >I tried using the link/import bug first, but ran into the issue of Netscape >on PC displaying larger fonts than IE on PC, and the reverse on Mac. Do you >code for Mac? If yes, how do you allow for that discrepancy when using the >@import for IE and link rel for NS? Different users' fonts probably also display larger on a 19" monitor than on a 17" monitor, or when the operating system calculates 80ppi than when it calculates 100ppi, or when their browser enforces a minimum font size of 9pt instead of 8pt... What purpose is served by trying to exert such rigid control over the user's font size? Assume that the default is a comfortable reading size for the user, and if you want to suggest larger and smaller sizes in specific contexts, stick to a range of about 85% to 120%. Say out loud, "I'm going to set my users' default font size to either 'small' or 'extra small' and the most commonly used browser won't let them change it," and see how it sounds. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Jul 17 17:42:08 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: style switcher In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717171518.02a532b8@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717173610.042124e8@mail.rpi.edu> Personally, I don't see any good purpose in trying to exert such heavy-handed control over font size. But, like fonts, purposes can come in all shapes and sizes. (For better or for worse.) Part of Nancy's problem might lie in the fact that she was using keywords to determine font size*, where percentages or ems might serve her (and her users) much better. *See Todd Fahrner's article for more on font size keywords in CSS: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/sizematters/ Cheers, -kb At 02:32 PM 7/17/2002 -0700, Thomas Dowling wrote: >What purpose is served by trying to exert such rigid control over the >user's font size? Assume that the default is a comfortable reading size >for the user, and if you want to suggest larger and smaller sizes in >specific contexts, stick to a range of about 85% to 120%. Say out loud, >"I'm going to set my users' default font size to either 'small' or 'extra >small' and the most commonly used browser won't let them change it," and >see how it sounds. _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute RPInfo: http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo/ Kiosk: http://j2ee.rpi.edu:8080/kiosk/setup.do From plum at ulink.net Wed Jul 17 22:13:19 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: style switcher References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717171518.02a532b8@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <003201c22e00$b05a97c0$9c0cced1@shapeshi> Thomas and others, Thanks for responding... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" > ...Assume that the default is a comfortable reading size... This is the problem. Netscape is the only browser accessible on the dozen PC's in the Library Reference area, but IE on PC is the most commonly used elsewhere by the students. Meanwhile, my supervisor and the other reference librarian use a pre-4.7 version of Netscape on a Mac (which does not allow resizing by the user), thus I am required to write code for their machines. This results in huge fonts on the reference machines. Such is the road that has led me to style switching codes. > ...if you want to suggest larger and smaller sizes in > specific contexts, stick to a range of about 85% to 120%.... I too prefer working with those percent sizes, but have run into the problem of nested elements' percents compounding (especially when styles imported meet styles in the html--and I am not the only one doing Web pages on the site) as Fahrner warns in the article Kevin recommended ( http://www.alistapart.com/stories/sizematters/ ). So I decided to use the keywords, as my understanding was that only keywords and percents can be resized by those whose impaired vision necessitates the adjustment (although pre4.7 NS on Mac doesn't allow this). After reading the article that explains the differences in browsers' default sizes and how they interpret the keywords, it seems that maybe by just using my style switcher to change the body size (maybe even using percents)--smaller on NS in Win (but not NS6 as Araby Greene pointed out), larger on pre-4.7 NS on Mac, maybe everything else will equal out? I keep thinking that if Amazon can do it, so can I. BTW, is there a chart of the different browsers' base font sizes and how they interpret styled sizes that gives more information than the Fahrner article? This would not be the information in a typical chart of browser style bugs such as http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/table.html. >... Say out loud, > "I'm going to set my users' default font size to either 'small' or 'extra > small' and the most commonly used browser won't let them change it," and > see how it sounds... Thomas, I don't get your drift with the above comment, and I am sure there's some pearl in it. Can you please restate for those with CSS-induced headaches? ;) Isn't IE the "most commonly used browser," which does allow users to change the keyword sizes? Thanks, Nancy From adel at loc.gov Mon Jul 22 13:22:38 2002 From: adel at loc.gov (Ann Della Porta) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:28 2005 Subject: LC Authorities now on the Web Message-ID: <sd3c06a6.037@loc.gov> The Library of Congress is pleased to announce a new feature, Library of Congress Authorities, that provides access to LC authority data via the Web. LC made this feature available on July 1, 2002. Name, subject, and title authority records, (including series authority records) are available to search, display, and download at this address: http://authorities.loc.gov Due to the high volume of users in the LC Online Catalog, the Library of Congress currently limits simultaneous access to the LC Database in order to ensure system performance for public users and staff. These limits will also apply to users of LC Authorities. The LC Online Catalog has proven so popular that it is often the case that all connections are in use between 10:00am and 2:00pm (Eastern Time), Monday through Friday. We are aware how frustrating this is for our users and we are working to increase the number of simultaneous external users. Not included with this release are Z39.50 functionality; the full MARC 21 character set for display and download of authority data; and the approximately 2,300 subject subdivision records in the Library of Congress Subject Heading file. LC will collaborate with Endeavor Information Systems, Inc., our ILS vendor, to add Z39.50 functionality and these other features in a future release of Web Authorities. LC Authorities is intended to be a permanent service, offered free of charge to users. During the first phase of this implementation LC will be gathering feedback from users to evaluate its usefulness and determine how to improve its features. Users should send comments to: ils@loc.gov A PowerPoint presentation on LC Authorities is available at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/ils/ALA02Arv.PPT The Library's Cataloging Distribution Service (CDS) will continue to provide full MARC 21 authority records (new, updated, and deleted) through the MARC Distribution Services (http://www.loc.gov/cds/mds.html), which are used to update authority files in OCLC, RLIN, and many other vendor services. Also available from CDS is a new fee-based service called Classification Web (http://www.loc.gov/cds/classweb.html), which provides Web access to Library of Congress Classification and Library of Congress Subject Headings. Ann Della Porta Assistant Coordinator Integrated Systems Office Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4010 adel@loc.gov From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Jul 22 17:04:03 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:28 2005 Subject: Wireless articles in netConnect Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515853@mail1.morrisville.edu> Here is the URL for an article I wrote for netConnect: http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA2 32340 Marshall Breeding has an excellent article on wireless and libraries in the same issue of netConnect at: http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA2 32339 Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Tue Jul 23 02:01:04 2002 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:28 2005 Subject: virus checker for public computers Message-ID: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Most of our campus uses Norton/Symantic virus software, but I hate how it slows down the systems. We also had some problems with it being very slow in updating virus definition files (I think they had more demand than their servers could handle at the time.) I am considering getting licenses for one of the alternative virus checkers, such as InoculateIT from Computer Associates or AVG from Grisoft. I used that one when it was free and found that it didn't use system resources as much as the Norton virus software. Out of frugality, I'm now using AVG's free version on my home computers and have had no problems with it. Anyone want to recommend or warn me off of any particular virus products? Best, Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Library http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ stacy.pober@manhattan.edu ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Jul 29 00:31:34 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:37 2005 Subject: The Wireless Future of Library Computing In-Reply-To: <20020728135113.12413.h011.c001.wm@mail.richardwiggins.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <108B4204-A2AC-11D6-AFED-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 01:51 PM, Richard Wiggins wrote: > snip > There are multiple next new things, not a single one. That is so right. I couldn't agree more. > We are doing wireless at Michigan State, including in our Engineering > Library. But right now, in the year 2002, if you made me choose > between a > public or a research library whose carrels include a power port and an > RJ-11 > port willing to host me as a DHCP guest at 100 megabits/second, vs. one > with > building-wide WiFi, I'll choose the wire in a hearbeat. The funny thing is, I'd choose wireless if I couldn't jack in where I wanted to sit. I know that sounds stupid, but it's at least _my_ reality. Wireless often equates to convenience. You be where you want and you're still connected, not 'you have to be where the jack is'. For convenience you may take a performance hit. So what? Many, many times that's a perfectly fine trade-off. For example, there isn't enough bandwidth in the world for me to give up lying on the carpet in front of the fire watching movie trailers with my kids rather than us all standing around my desk in the office. The point is that the network experience can be wonderful or it can suck in so many ways, and bandwidth is only one. Since you ended your post with the observation that there are multiple next new things, not a single one, you certainly must believe that as well. But hey, if not, I can almost feel another debate coming on...<grin> Roy From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Jul 29 11:03:50 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB040157409E@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> With all the emphasis on real-time virtual reference services in journals and at conferences, it may be easy to overlook asynchronous services (e.g., e-mail reference). In the new issue of Reference & User Services Quarterly, Dave Lankes and Pauline Shostack discuss the "fact and fiction" regarding digital reference services. Lankes and Shostack refer to asynchronous digital reference as the "predominant form of digital reference", and that its dismissal is "premature". They note that "real-time systems and asynchronous systems will need to coexist (or rather digital reference systems will need to support both forms of interaction)." The authors highlight two "vital questions": 1. What variables allow a digital reference system to predict when real-time is needed? 2. When are asynchronous interactions sufficient? Here's the citation: Lankes, R. David, and Pauline Shostack. The necessity of real time: Fact and fiction in digital reference systems. Reference & User Services Quarterly, 41(4), 350-355. Summer 2002. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Jul 29 11:15:49 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: NISO Announces the Release of the 2002 Library Statistics Standa rd (Z39.7) Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351585E@mail1.morrisville.edu> This is important news for all of us. Bill Drew -----Original Message----- From: gary [mailto:gprice@GWU.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:45 AM To: DIG_REF@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DIG_REF] NISO Announces the Release of the 2002 Library Statistics Standard (Z39.7) Hello from D.C. >From the Resourceshelf Libraries--Standards Source: NISO NISO Announces the Release of the 2002 Library Statistics Standard (Z39.7) http://www.niso.org/emetrics/ >From the site, "This new standard, available as a web-enabled database, for the first time defines a standard vocabulary to measure the use of electronic resources and other library metrics used in the U.S. and internationally. You are invited to review and comment on the standard." >From a listserv posting, "This new edition of Z39.7 is a major departure from prior versions of the standard. Not only has the Committee embraced valuable best practices long recognized by the U.S. library community, we have also incorporated international definitions," said Denise Davis, Chair of Standards Committee AY, Library Statistics...."The trial use period is 12 months, supporting an annual data collection cycle. All persons engaged in data collection activities at the local, state, and national levels are encouraged to provide comments to the committee. Publishers, information aggregators and consortia are encouraged to review and use the E-metrics sections." Comments will be accepted from July 26, 2002 - July 31, 2003. See Also: Information About Submitting Comments on the Standard http://www.niso.org/committees/public/index.html See Also: Info About Subscribing to NISO Z39.7 Electronic Discussion Group http://www.niso.org/press/listserv.html -- Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gary@freepint.com The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.freepint.com --- To sign off from DIG_REF, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU with the command SIGNOFF DIG_REF. From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Jul 29 11:13:36 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: The Necessity of Real-time Digital Reference? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04015740A2@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Resending...first paragraph was omitted in first try. -------------------------------------- With all the emphasis on real-time virtual reference services in journals and at conferences, it may be easy to overlook asynchronous services (e.g., e-mail reference). In the new issue of Reference & User Services Quarterly, Dave Lankes and Pauline Shostack discuss the "fact and fiction" regarding digital reference services. Lankes and Shostack refer to asynchronous digital reference as the "predominant form of digital reference", and that its dismissal is "premature". They note that "real-time systems and asynchronous systems will need to coexist (or rather digital reference systems will need to support both forms of interaction)." The authors highlight two "vital questions": 1. What variables allow a digital reference system to predict when real-time is needed? 2. When are asynchronous interactions sufficient? Here's the citation: Lankes, R. David, and Pauline Shostack. The necessity of real time: Fact and fiction in digital reference systems. Reference & User Services Quarterly, 41(4), 350-355. Summer 2002. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From jul at oclc.org Mon Jul 29 11:32:22 2002 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC50418FB9A@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> Bernie circulated the following question taken from > Lankes, R. David, and Pauline Shostack. The necessity of real > time: Fact and fiction in digital reference systems. Reference & > User Services Quarterly, 41(4), 350-355. Summer 2002. > 1. What variables allow a digital reference system to predict > when real-time is needed? Is it essential that a system be able to "predict when real-time is needed," or would it be sufficient for a system to *be* or *become* real-time based on various factors such as user initiation or progressive escalation of help requests? --Erik Erik Jul jul@oclc.org From Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu Mon Jul 29 11:38:23 2002 From: Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu (Vermeersch, Scott M.) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PWB, SetBrowser, and IE Message-ID: <EF88401E5DE2D411851A0002B30CF27A0197FF12@excsrv43.mayo.edu> >From my experience with Windows 2000 and PWB: You can rename Iexplore.exe to Iexplore.bak, wait for Windows to recreate Iexplore.exe and delete Iexplore.bak (leaving Iexplore.exe), Windows will be unable to find IE because it is looking for Iexplore.bak not Iexplore.exe. If you are using NTFS, you can also set security to deny read and execute. The ultimate, if PWB is the only thing running on the computer, is to run PWB as the Windows shell, this does away with the Desktop and Start menu. For our OPAC and research terminals, we are running PWB as the published application on a Citrix server using WYSE Winterms. Three years, no problems. Scott Vermeersch Computer Systems Analyst Mayo Medical Library -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sloan [mailto:ssloan@bocalibrary.org] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] PWB, SetBrowser, and IE We are using Public Web Browser and IE 5.5 SP2 on Windows 2000 machines. However, we've been seeing that patrons can get out of PWB and into straight IE. We now use the SetBrowser utility, but patrons still get around that. Someone from another listserv recommended removing or renaming the iexplore.exe file (works in Win 9.x), but in W2k the file simply reappears/replicates itself no matter what I do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Susan Sloan Boca Raton Public Library From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Jul 29 12:01:58 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B03515862@mail1.morrisville.edu> In answer to Bernie Sloan and Erik Jul, it must be the user's decision, not the librarian's or some automatic escalation. I dislike very much many of the so-called help links on various pages that only give me the choice of e-mail without a phone number or link to real-time in some other form. Bill Drew From sfurciniti at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 12:18:17 2002 From: sfurciniti at yahoo.com (Scott Furciniti) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: Stuttering Foundation program links to Library websites Message-ID: <20020729161817.62485.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Please excuse the cross-posting. I thought everybody should have a shot at this. The Stuttering Foundation of America is starting a reciprocal link program with libraries that have its materials in their collections. I was doing some browsing one day and found the Stuttering Foundation of America's website (http://www.stutterhelp.org). I found that their site already includes tables that contain the names and addresses of libraries that carry SFA's materials and lists which materials each library carries. A light went on in my head. If they already list our name, maybe they'll provide a hyperlink to our website. That way, people could browse from SFA's website to ours, and find SFA materials in our online catalog. This will not only help people who need SFA materials, but will help boost our Library's website standing on search engines that use hyperlinks from other sites as part of their ranking criteria. I then thought it might behoove us to list SFA on the links page of our Library's website. This may help our patrons find helpful information beyond what our Library offers, and it gives SFA more of an incentive to provide a link to us. I contacted Jane Fraser, President of Stuttering Foundation of America about my idea. She was very receptive. They immediately began adding whatever library e-mail addresses they had in their database to their html tables on the SFA website. Today I received an e-mail from Ms. Fraser. Stuttering Foundation of America has now added a link from their website to http://www.roswellpubliclibrary.org. This link appears on their site at http://www.stutterhelp.org/library/ref_nm.htm. Stuttering Foundation of America is willing, ready, and able to add a hyperlink for any library that carries their materials and is willing to provide a link back to their site. Any libraries interested in participating in this reciprocal link program should contact Jane Fraser by e-mail at STUTTERSFA@AOL.COM Even if you decide not to participate in the program, the www.stutterhelp.org website is worth a visit. Best regards, ===== Scott Furciniti, Systems Administrator Roswell Public Library 301 N. Pennsylvania Ave./Roswell, NM 88201 (505)622-3400 www.roswellpubliclibrary.org Check us out! We've got something for you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From babbot at lsuhsc.edu Mon Jul 29 12:20:57 2002 From: babbot at lsuhsc.edu (Abbott, Bruce) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Necessity of Real-time Digital Reference? Message-ID: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABB0201E315@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> At the risk of stating the obvious--real-time would work for ready-reference sorts of questions---in-depth reference does require time and reflection on the part of the reference librarian. Bruce Abbott Assistant Director for Library Systems and Electronic Resources LSUHSC Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 babbot@lsuhsc.edu 504-568-6103 (voice) 504-568-7718 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: Sloan, Bernie [mailto:bernies@uillinois.edu] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Necessity of Real-time Digital Reference? Resending...first paragraph was omitted in first try. -------------------------------------- With all the emphasis on real-time virtual reference services in journals and at conferences, it may be easy to overlook asynchronous services (e.g., e-mail reference). In the new issue of Reference & User Services Quarterly, Dave Lankes and Pauline Shostack discuss the "fact and fiction" regarding digital reference services. Lankes and Shostack refer to asynchronous digital reference as the "predominant form of digital reference", and that its dismissal is "premature". They note that "real-time systems and asynchronous systems will need to coexist (or rather digital reference systems will need to support both forms of interaction)." The authors highlight two "vital questions": 1. What variables allow a digital reference system to predict when real-time is needed? 2. When are asynchronous interactions sufficient? Here's the citation: Lankes, R. David, and Pauline Shostack. The necessity of real time: Fact and fiction in digital reference systems. Reference & User Services Quarterly, 41(4), 350-355. Summer 2002. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu Mon Jul 29 12:46:21 2002 From: Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu (Howard Pasternack) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729124249.00e16d58@postoffice.brown.edu> I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. Take a look at this page from ExLibris: http://www.sfxit.com/ (go to the Resources Page) Then look at this page from Endeavor: http://www.endinfosys.com/prods/lfp_resources.htm -- Howard From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Mon Jul 29 12:51:40 2002 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: Library Newsletters In-Reply-To: <20020729161817.62485.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020729094731.S37957-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Web4Lib, Here at my library we are thinking about beginning a library newsletter to update our faculty, Friends of the Library members, alumni, etc...as to library events and happenings. And in this Brave New Web World we are considering a relic--we want to publish a brief color glossy print newsletter. For those of you who have such animals, would anyone be willing to point me to any pdf or html or other such example files that you have mounted on your web servers? Thanks very much. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Jul 29 13:12:17 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351586A@mail1.morrisville.edu> The real question is now: Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? which one laid the rotten egg? I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. Bill Drew From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Jul 29 13:23:00 2002 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <sd4533b1.072@mednet.swmed.edu> Well, OpenURL was developed initially by SFX, who is now the primary force behind its acceptance from NISO as a standard. I imagine that Endeavor grabbed SFX's list. However, given that OpenURL is coming into its own, I think SFX should start distancing itself from the standard. It is no longer just SFX's product, but rather a standard that is being used by both SFX and Encompass. Virtually all documentation related to OpenURL is on SFX's site; NISO does have some info, but it is primarily related to the acceptance process. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> "Drew, Bill" <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> 7/29/02 12:10:28 PM >>> The real question is now: Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? which one laid the rotten egg? I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. Bill Drew ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Mon Jul 29 13:34:04 2002 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351586A@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <20020729103322.E38139-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> When I was at CSU Monterey Bay in 1995 we went with Endeavor as our ILS vendor. I believe they predate SFX by some time. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > The real question is now: > > Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? > > which one laid the rotten egg? > > I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. > > Bill Drew > From jul at oclc.org Mon Jul 29 13:39:39 2002 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC50418FB9C@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> Bill Drew said > In answer to Bernie Sloan and Erik Jul, it [whether to use > synchronous or asynchronous reference modalities] must be the > user's decision, not the librarian's or some automatic > escalation. I agree, but not completely. Reserving to the user the ability for self-directed, autonomous action may be desirable but it may not be sufficient. As technology enables us to imagine and create an expanding range of reference solutions, both asynchronous and synchronous, we are increasingly able to think differently about the boundaries between various solutions and a user's relative ability to invoke or move between and among a range of options. *That* the user is motivating the information-seeking behavior is a given, but *how* that behavior is expressed in an increasingly complex environment is likely always to be subject to a shifting interplay of systems, standards, and practices. --Erik From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Jul 29 13:50:25 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351586D@mail1.morrisville.edu> Erik makes very good points that I agree with entirely. My point should have been that all four options of phone, face-to-face, chat, or email should be made available to the patron. What happens after that is negotiable. Bill Drew From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Jul 29 13:48:11 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Vendors Who Borrow from One Another In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729124249.00e16d58@postoffice.brown.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729133648.02a2f800@ohiolink.edu> Howard: >>I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay >>in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web >>pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. Bill: >The real question is now: > >Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? I submit that I specified Arial in a web page back in 1995, so ultimately they both stole from me. :-> Ex Libris knows that their SFX bread is buttered on the open standards side (to mangle a metaphor), so it's reasonable to suppose they're willing to share what they know about OpenURL support. And it's entirely reasonable to suppose that the Endeavor folks, trying to explain LinkFinder Plus to their own customers, asked for and got permission to use the list on the www.sfxit.com site. At most, I'd say it's uncharitable for the Endeavor list to leave out Ex Libris. BTW, while the NISO page is at <http://www.niso.org/committees/committee_ax.html>, the actual work being done by the committee can be tracked at the committee's home page, <http://library.caltech.edu/openurl/>. Also BTW, are there any actual LinkFinder Plus users yet? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Jul 29 13:50:39 2002 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <sd453a25.028@mednet.swmed.edu> Actually, the question revolves around the the "portal" products offered by these two companies: ExLibris offers SFX Endeavor offers LinkFinderPlus (I had originally called it "Encompass", that that is a different system) Both of these use the OpenURL standard as their method of linking to articles. It's my understanding that specific people at ExLibris developed the OpenURL standard, so SFX would be the first to implement it. However, Endeavor jumped quickly afterwards and adopted the standard for their linking tool (LinkFinderPlus). BTW, although they can be integrated with the ILS, these products are sold as standalone products. They are not the same thing as an ILS. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> John Creech <John.Creech@cwu.EDU> 7/29/02 12:36:46 PM >>> When I was at CSU Monterey Bay in 1995 we went with Endeavor as our ILS vendor. I believe they predate SFX by some time. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > The real question is now: > > Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? > > which one laid the rotten egg? > > I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. > > Bill Drew > ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Breeding at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu Mon Jul 29 14:55:29 2002 From: Breeding at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Marshall Breeding) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another In-Reply-To: <sd4533b1.072@mednet.swmed.edu> Message-ID: <3D453B7E.14537.9FFADD30@localhost> In my understanding: OpenURL was a construct devised by Herbert Van de Sompel at Ghent University as part of the SFX environment he developed at as part of his Ph.D. research. A series of articles appeared in D-Lib describing the environment: http://www.dlib.org/dlib/april99/van_de_sompel/04van_de_sompel-pt1.html http://www.dlib.org/dlib/april99/van_de_sompel/04van_de_sompel-pt2.html http://www.dlib.org/dlib/october99/van_de_sompel/10van_de_sompel.html Ghent / Van de Somple sold SFX to Ex Libris in February 2000. Ex Libris began beta testing of SFX as a product in June 2000 OpenURL submited to NISO for standards consideration in January 2001 Detailed documentation is available on Ex Libris' SFX website: http://www.sfxit.com/openurl/openurl.html Endeavor announced LinkFinderPlus their independent, OpenURL-enabled linking solution in June 2001 (http://www.endinfosys.com/news/linkfinderplus.htm) > Well, OpenURL was developed initially by SFX, who is now the primary > force behind its acceptance from NISO as a standard. I imagine that > Endeavor grabbed SFX's list. > > However, given that OpenURL is coming into its own, I think SFX should > start distancing itself from the standard. It is no longer just SFX's > product, but rather a standard that is being used by both SFX and > Encompass. Virtually all documentation related to OpenURL is on SFX's > site; NISO does have some info, but it is primarily related to the > acceptance process. > > > > > Karen R. Harker, MLS > UT Southwestern Medical Library > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Dallas, TX 75390-9049 > 214-648-1698 > http://www.swmed.edu/library/ > > >>> "Drew, Bill" <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> 7/29/02 12:10:28 PM >>> > The real question is now: > > Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? > > which one laid the rotten egg? > > I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. > > Bill Drew > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to > a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > -marshall From STOBERG at TAYLORU.EDU Mon Jul 29 13:59:25 2002 From: STOBERG at TAYLORU.EDU (Oberg, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <5BFE22237F13684D9EB1A5C08DC5D79103A47C73@mailsrv1.campus.tayloru.edu> ExLibris was first to the game with its proprietary OpenURL solution, which it calls SFX. Endeavor (and perhaps other vendors) has developed it's own OpenURL-enabled functionality with its LinkFinderPlus product. It seems that there also needs to be some clarifications made about terms and products. One is that SFX does NOT equal OpenURL or, to put it another way, OpenURL does NOT equal SFX, although it has unfortunately become somewhat synonymous with that protocal in the minds of some librarians, kind of like the term Kleenex (a proprietary product brand name) has become the generic name for facial tissue. Another point is that SFX is NOT the equivalent product to Endeavor's ENCompass. They are two completely different animals. One is simply a linking system, the other is a comprehensive digital content management system. I'm not as familiar with ExLibris's offerings but I do know that version 2.0 of ENCompass (digital content management system) incorporates LinkfinderPlus (their linking solution). And while ExLibris was first to market with it's OpenURL linking solution, Endeavor was first to market with a comprehensive, production system for e-content and digital collection management. Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Creech [mailto:John.Creech@cwu.EDU] Sent: Mon 7/29/2002 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another When I was at CSU Monterey Bay in 1995 we went with Endeavor as our ILS vendor. I believe they predate SFX by some time. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > The real question is now: > > Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? > > which one laid the rotten egg? > > I know that SFX has been available for a quite awhile. > > Bill Drew > From STOBERG at TAYLORU.EDU Mon Jul 29 14:04:26 2002 From: STOBERG at TAYLORU.EDU (Oberg, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <5BFE22237F13684D9EB1A5C08DC5D79103A47C74@mailsrv1.campus.tayloru.edu> Please see http://www.endinfosys.com/prods/lfp_custlist.htm for Endeavor's customer list for LinkFinderPlus (which, btw, can be used in conjunction with their ENCompass product, or as a standalone product). The above-mentioned list notes which sites are using it standalone vs. in conjunction w/ENCompass. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Dowling [mailto:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] Sent: Mon 7/29/2002 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Howard: >>I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay >>in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web >>pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. Bill: >The real question is now: > >Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? I submit that I specified Arial in a web page back in 1995, so ultimately they both stole from me. :-> Ex Libris knows that their SFX bread is buttered on the open standards side (to mangle a metaphor), so it's reasonable to suppose they're willing to share what they know about OpenURL support. And it's entirely reasonable to suppose that the Endeavor folks, trying to explain LinkFinder Plus to their own customers, asked for and got permission to use the list on the www.sfxit.com site. At most, I'd say it's uncharitable for the Endeavor list to leave out Ex Libris. BTW, while the NISO page is at <http://www.niso.org/committees/committee_ax.html>, the actual work being done by the committee can be tracked at the committee's home page, <http://library.caltech.edu/openurl/>. Also BTW, are there any actual LinkFinder Plus users yet? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From eric at openly.com Mon Jul 29 14:10:26 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Vendors Who Borrow from One Another In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729124249.00e16d58@postoffice.brown.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729124249.00e16d58@postoffice.brown.edu> Message-ID: <p04330105b96b31c86b5f@[10.0.1.3]> SFXit uses Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif in a style. Endeavor uses Arial in a font tag. What, exactly is your beef? That both lists are in *alphabetical* order? That Endeavor doesn't have ExLibris in its list? There's no mystery why the lists are similar- the intent of making OpenURL a NISO standard is that it works with all vendors supporting the standard. Endeavor, ExLibris, Fretwell-Downing, Openly Informatics, all the others on the way, all of these OUGHT to have the same list. Eric At 9:54 AM -0700 7/29/02, Howard Pasternack wrote: >I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay >in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web >pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. > >Take a look at this page from ExLibris: > >http://www.sfxit.com/ (go to the Resources Page) > >Then look at this page from Endeavor: > >http://www.endinfosys.com/prods/lfp_resources.htm > >-- Howard -- Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Mon Jul 29 15:00:45 2002 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: In search of: registry tool for "locking down" computers References: <1027404064.3d3cf12050c60@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <3D4590DD.8090902@cdrewu.edu> I know we can "lock down" computers (e.g. keeping users out of Network Neighborhood,setting RestrictRun so that only certain programs are available, hiding certain disk drives, etc) using RegEdit....but does anyone know of a utility that would do this, without having to dig through the registry to get to the appropriate registry keys? I've got 45 computers to configure real soon now, so I really appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks! -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Jul 29 15:09:19 2002 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <sd454c98.027@mednet.swmed.edu> We are in the final stages of LFP implementation. At this moment, our users do not interact with it much primarily because the sources have been limited. However, we are also migrating to Ovid Online, which is a source and will impact our clients. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> 7/29/02 12:55:09 PM >>> Howard: >>I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay >>in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web >>pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. Bill: >The real question is now: > >Which came first, ExLibris or Endeavor? I submit that I specified Arial in a web page back in 1995, so ultimately they both stole from me. :-> Ex Libris knows that their SFX bread is buttered on the open standards side (to mangle a metaphor), so it's reasonable to suppose they're willing to share what they know about OpenURL support. And it's entirely reasonable to suppose that the Endeavor folks, trying to explain LinkFinder Plus to their own customers, asked for and got permission to use the list on the www.sfxit.com site. At most, I'd say it's uncharitable for the Endeavor list to leave out Ex Libris. BTW, while the NISO page is at <http://www.niso.org/committees/committee_ax.html>, the actual work being done by the committee can be tracked at the committee's home page, <http://library.caltech.edu/openurl/>. Also BTW, are there any actual LinkFinder Plus users yet? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Mon Jul 29 15:15:05 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of: registry tool for "locking down" computers References: <3D4590DD.8090902@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: <3D459439.3BF67913@tln.lib.mi.us> Charles, Many of the third-party security programs out there are glorified registry editors with a good GUI. Most also include some additional bells and whistles and tools added on to justify paying for them. A few questions come to mind: 1) How much do you want to pay? 2) How technically savvy is the person or people who are going to maintain the security software? 3) What OS do you need to secure? 4) How much staff interaction or support is going to be needed on the computers? 5) Are the computers all on one site or will they need to be maintained remotely? 6) Is your goal to lock down the computer as tight as possible or just ensure that things don't get changed so staff don't have to become computer troubleshooters? 7) Do you just need to lock down the OS or do you need to lock down programs too? 8) Are you just looking to lockdown PCs or are you interested in a more complete access management system that can handle filtering, printing, computer sign-up, etc.? With a little more details, there are a number of programs that could be suggested for what you need. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Charles P. Hobbs" wrote: > I know we can "lock down" computers (e.g. keeping users out of Network > Neighborhood,setting RestrictRun so that only certain programs are available, hiding > certain disk drives, etc) using RegEdit....but does anyone know of a utility that would do this, > without having to dig through the registry to get to the appropriate registry keys? > > I've got 45 computers to configure real soon now, so I really appreciate > any help you can give me. Thanks! > > -- > Charles P. Hobbs > King Drew Health Science Library > http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Mon Jul 29 15:49:03 2002 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: In search of: registry tool for "locking down" computers References: <3D459439.3BF67913@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3D459C2F.3030205@cdrewu.edu> Andrew Mutch wrote: >Charles, > >Many of the third-party security programs out there are glorified registry editors with a good GUI. >Most also include some additional bells and whistles and tools added on to justify paying for them. >A few questions come to mind: > >1) How much do you want to pay? > Free would be nice...:-) Realistically, around $50, with $100-120 as the absolute upper limit. (of course, if we're talking about per-seat licensing, things might get expensive anyway...) >2) How technically savvy is the person or people who are going to maintain the security software? > We plan to hire a lab attendant who should be comfortable enough with the computers in order to use this program. Of course, I'll be around (as well as the I.T. dept) in case extra help is needed...The program in question should be much simpler than actually manipulating the registry w/RegEdit... >3) What OS do you need to secure? > Win 2000 >4) How much staff interaction or support is going to be needed on the computers? > Probably very little, once we get them running. Only when a new software program is offered, then the settings will need to be updated. >5) Are the computers all on one site or will they need to be maintained remotely? > They'll be all in one room (computer lab) >6) Is your goal to lock down the computer as tight as possible or just ensure that things don't get >changed so staff don't have to become computer troubleshooters? > Primarily to keep people from running outside programs, browsing the network, and to hide certain drives (such as C: ) from the casual user. >7) Do you just need to lock down the OS or do you need to lock down programs too? >8) Are you just looking to lockdown PCs or are you interested in a more complete access management >system that can handle filtering, printing, computer sign-up, etc.? > No, just locking down the PC as described above. -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From ylef at coloradomtn.edu Mon Jul 29 15:46:46 2002 From: ylef at coloradomtn.edu (Yuliya Lef) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Newsletters References: <20020729094731.S37957-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Message-ID: <3D459BA6.5070409@coloradomtn.edu> Hi John, I wouldn't beat myself over the head for being so archaic. I think all the print publications and in-person appearances are still more than relevant, no matter how much I would like it to be otherwise. Of course it greatly depends on the institution's culture. But I am finding out that all of our electronic communications reach only a very small portion of our faculty and administration. So her is a link to one of our libraries' newsletters http://www.coloradomtn.edu/library/sping2002news.pdf and attached a couple of recent handouts for faculty and students. Yuliya -- Yuliya Lef Virtual Learning Resources Center Coordinator Colorado Mountain College 333 Fiedler Ave. P.O. Box 1414 Dillon, CO 80435 970-468-5989 (phone) 970-468-5018 (fax) ylef@coloradomtn.edu http://www.coloradomtn.edu/library/ "I believe that the moment is near when, by a procedure of active paranoic thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion and contribute to the total discrediting of the world of reality." --- Salvador Dali John Creech wrote: > Web4Lib, > > Here at my library we are thinking about beginning a library newsletter to > update our faculty, Friends of the Library members, alumni, etc...as to > library events and happenings. And in this Brave New Web World we are > considering a relic--we want to publish a brief color glossy print > newsletter. For those of you who have such animals, would anyone be > willing to point me to any pdf or html or other such example files that > you have mounted on your web servers? > > Thanks very much. > > John Creech > Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian > Central Washington University Library > 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | > office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 > creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu > ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From babbot at lsuhsc.edu Mon Jul 29 15:50:04 2002 From: babbot at lsuhsc.edu (Abbott, Bruce) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Vendors Who Borrow from One Another Message-ID: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABB0201E31A@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> Innovative Interfaces also has such a product (WebBridge--part of MAP): http://www.iii.com/html/products/p_map.shtml Bruce Abbott -----Original Message----- From: Howard Pasternack [mailto:Howard_Pasternack@brown.edu] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Vendors Who Borrow from One Another I realize that vendors need to offer products which are competitive to stay in business, but it gets a little ridiculous when they end of stealing web pages from one another without even bothering to change the font. Take a look at this page from ExLibris: http://www.sfxit.com/ (go to the Resources Page) Then look at this page from Endeavor: http://www.endinfosys.com/prods/lfp_resources.htm -- Howard From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Mon Jul 29 19:27:57 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Necessity of Real-Time Reference? References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B0351586D@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3D45CF7D.87D5CFC2@students.uiuc.edu> There is the question of what happens to the questions ... and answers and resources used for answers. These Q&A's *could* be made available to the public right at the point of posing a request. In fact, there is alot of development that could take place here. (I know about the OCLC solution -- I was looking beyond a commercial approach). Merging of the Q&A databases by library type, identification of most frequently asked questions, failed requests -- cross institutional study may actually present us with something beyond the need to re-create the print based solutions in digital forms. -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois From itclri at clrim.org Wed Jul 31 02:48:43 2002 From: itclri at clrim.org (itclri) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:47 2005 Subject: question from thangarasu Message-ID: <008401c2385e$5c6e29c0$0a03a8c0@userdomain> Dear recipients, I want to know the free access of full text on Library & Information Science includes IT fields site. If anybody knows, i greatful to you sir for the same. Kandasamy Thangarasu Senior Documentation Asst CLRI, Adyar Chennai ph +91 44 4911389 ktrasu@tamil.com itclri@clrim.org ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From george at library.caltech.edu Wed Jul 31 11:31:41 2002 From: george at library.caltech.edu (george@library.caltech.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:47 2005 Subject: a Swiftian take on user tracking Message-ID: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA36760151C61A@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> On the lighter side, even though it isn't Friday afternoon, Michael Margolis' modest proposal in the Chronicle of Higher Education (username & password required) <http://chronicle.com/weekly/v48/i47/47b01201.htm> is a hoot. It is also a logical(?!!) extension of the USA PATRIOT Act. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science Caltech, 1-43 Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu Wed Jul 31 13:42:00 2002 From: Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu (Vermeersch, Scott M.) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PWB, SetBrowser, and IE Message-ID: <EF88401E5DE2D411851A0002B30CF27A0197FF1F@excsrv43.mayo.edu> TeamSoftware Solutions has posted a free Browser Helper Object called "ManageIE" on the download page that will close down Internet Explorer or Windows Explorer when a HTTP server is accessed. This DLL prevents IE from running even when a URL is typed into a Word document. http://www.TeamSoftwareSolutions.com Scott Vermeersch Computer Systems Analyst Mayo Medical Library -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sloan [mailto:ssloan@bocalibrary.org] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] PWB, SetBrowser, and IE We are using Public Web Browser and IE 5.5 SP2 on Windows 2000 machines. However, we've been seeing that patrons can get out of PWB and into straight IE. We now use the SetBrowser utility, but patrons still get around that. Someone from another listserv recommended removing or renaming the iexplore.exe file (works in Win 9.x), but in W2k the file simply reappears/replicates itself no matter what I do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Susan Sloan Boca Raton Public Library From king at julip.fcgov.com Wed Jul 31 17:19:18 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:41:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: PWB, SetBrowser, and IE In-Reply-To: <EF88401E5DE2D411851A0002B30CF27A0197FF1F@excsrv43.mayo.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207311507230.20954-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Scott Vermeersch has solved the eternal mystery! I have been struggling with the question: How do I keep users from intentionally or inadvertently launching Internet Explorer when my default browser is set to PWB? Well, today I've tested Scott's new .dll for controlling IE and it works like a charm! I don't know of another browser developer who is this responsive to customer requests and who is so knowledgeable of the issues that arise for those of us who provide support to public computer users. Scott has developed a great product and it just keeps getting better. Kudos to Scott and PWB! With sincere gratitude, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Vermeersch, Scott M. wrote: > TeamSoftware Solutions has posted a free Browser Helper Object called "ManageIE" on the download page that will close down Internet Explorer or Windows Explorer when a HTTP server is accessed. This DLL prevents IE from running even when a URL is typed into a Word document. > > http://www.TeamSoftwareSolutions.com > > Scott Vermeersch > Computer Systems Analyst > Mayo Medical Library > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Sloan [mailto:ssloan@bocalibrary.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:17 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] PWB, SetBrowser, and IE > > > We are using Public Web Browser and IE 5.5 SP2 on Windows 2000 machines. However, we've been seeing that patrons can get out of PWB and into straight IE. We now use the SetBrowser utility, but patrons still get around that. Someone from another listserv recommended removing or renaming the iexplore.exe file (works in Win 9.x), but in W2k the file simply reappears/replicates itself no matter what I do. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Susan Sloan > Boca Raton Public Library > > > From vrdconf at ericir.syr.edu Wed Jul 3 11:10:14 2002 From: vrdconf at ericir.syr.edu (VRD Conference) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: Registration Now Open! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10207031109340.3266-100000@ericir.syr.edu> The VRD 4th Annual Digital Reference Conference Charting the Course of Reference: Toward a Preferred Future November 11-12, 2002, The Westin Hotel, Chicago, IL, USA All previous VRD conferences have been sold out, and although we have increased our capacity, you may want to register early. Early bird rates end 9/l/02. Watch our web site for agenda and program information. Register online: http://www.oclc.org/institute/events/vrd2002/index.htm This conference explores the nature of Internet-based question-and-answer service within a broad range of contexts, including libraries and information centers, government, business, education, and other industry>sectors or organizations, as well as the specific issues involved in providing any type of digital reference service. The theme of this year's conference, "Charting the Course of Reference: Toward a Preferred Future," emphasizes planning and direction founded upon practical experience, research, or trend analyses. Marilyn Schick Conference & Event Specialist Virtual Reference Desk - www.vrd.org ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology Syracuse University, 621 Skytop Road - Suite 160 Syracuse, New York 13244 - 5290 800 464 9107 - Fax: 315 443 5448 From rsdoiel at usc.edu Wed Jul 3 12:52:14 2002 From: rsdoiel at usc.edu (Robert S Doiel) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: Looking for use experience (pro and con) of Zope for web sites and applications Message-ID: <1025715134.1519.31.camel@veranda.usc.edu> Hello everyone, I work in a small unit at the University of Southern California. We have used Zope for small to medium projects for about 2 years. The unit has recently been reorganized and I need to write a recommendation/justification for continued use of Zope. I am looking for other library or higher educational institutions which use Zope currently or have used it in the past to find out what their experiences (pro or con) have been. Please send the responses directly to me at rsdoiel@usc.edu. I would be happy to post a summary on a website and send the URL to the list if others are interested. My leading questions are - * Are you using Zope currently? (If not Zope what are you using now?) * Are you using it as your primary web server/web application platform? * Have you found it to be a reliable solution? * What limitations, if any, have you found using Zope? Thank you in advance for your help, Robert Doiel -- Robert Doiel, Analyst/Programmer USC James Irvine Center for Scholarly Technology LVL-123, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 rsdoiel@usc.edu From wwines at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Jul 3 12:57:07 2002 From: wwines at tln.lib.mi.us (William M. Wines) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: Floppy Disks Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207031249490.9281-100000@overlord.tln.org> Hello all, I'm looking for some authoritative answers to a question, and I figured this is the place. :-) Is there any reason for a library that offers public Internet access to be concerned about patrons using their own floppy discs to download and upload files? (Given that it has an adequate virus-protection program, such as Norton) We have many patrons who use web-based email and currently our usage policy prohibits the use of floppy discs; therefore they can't upload or download attachments. Is this or is this not an archaic policy? ----------------------------- Bill Wines Assistant Director Walled Lake City Library 1499 E. West Maple Rd. Walled Lake, MI 48390 (248) 624-3772 http://walled-lake.lib.mi.us ----------------------------- From jwillis at sdcll.org Wed Jul 3 13:40:24 2002 From: jwillis at sdcll.org (Jean Willis) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: Web Advertising Message-ID: <3D233708.B892AE0B@sdcll.org> Good Morning I am seeking information from any libraries who may utilize advertising on their library web pages. Some libraries have been using links to various book vendors/stores in "affiliate programs." These programs pay the library a percentage of the fee if a customer purchases something after arriving at the commercial site via the library website. I am interested this or any other types of advertising on library web pages that generate revenue. * What types of vendors do you permit to advertise? * What are your charge structures & how did you arrive at them? * How do you determine which vendors you will use or not? * Has this been successful (i.e., have you generated revenue) or not? * What are the pros and cons? Any suggestions or ideas are welcome. Feel free to respond to me off the list. Thanks & Happy July 4. ______________________________ Jean L. Willis jwillis@sdcll.org Assoc. Dir. for Information Systems (619) 531-4443 San Diego County Public Law Library (619) 238-7716 (fax) 1105 Front Street http://www.sdcll.org San Diego, CA 92101-3904 From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Wed Jul 3 13:54:00 2002 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207031249490.9281-100000@overlord.tln.org> Message-ID: <003901c222ba$a204cc00$68c914ac@IS1> Bill, It's not an archaic policy but it is conservative. And you should be concerned. But the question is how much risk do you want to deal with? We allow patrons to use floppy and zip disks, theirs or ones they buy from us, on our Internet machines. We even have a hard drive partition they can download to. We use Norton and a variety of security measures to keep patrons from tampering. I also have a Ghost image of the machines. We keep Norton up to date and keep the computers patched with the latest software and operating system updates, service packs, and patches. Our public machines get hit by viruses everyday and sometimes patrons lose data and occasionally I have to Ghost an image back to a machine that is fouled up. Most of the viruses we see are e-mail related or Word Macro viruses. We do not allow patrons to use Outlook or Outlook Express. We think the risks are out weighted by the benefits to our patrons and it really has not been a major problem for us. I know other Sys Admins who think we are being to risky and even a bit irresponsible. I have been told out setup allows patrons to spread viruses they get from the Internet to other computers either via the Internet or by floppy or zip discs. I don't deny it's true on occasion but we try to take every precaution consistent with providing as much of a full Internet service as we can to our patrons. Phillip B. Whitford Manager of Information Systems Braswell Memorial Library 727 N. Grace St Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of William M. Wines Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Floppy Disks Hello all, I'm looking for some authoritative answers to a question, and I figured this is the place. :-) Is there any reason for a library that offers public Internet access to be concerned about patrons using their own floppy discs to download and upload files? (Given that it has an adequate virus-protection program, such as Norton) We have many patrons who use web-based email and currently our usage policy prohibits the use of floppy discs; therefore they can't upload or download attachments. Is this or is this not an archaic policy? ----------------------------- Bill Wines Assistant Director Walled Lake City Library 1499 E. West Maple Rd. Walled Lake, MI 48390 (248) 624-3772 http://walled-lake.lib.mi.us ----------------------------- From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Wed Jul 3 14:23:59 2002 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: The totally blind Message-ID: <000e01c222be$cd979830$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> Greetings Web4libers, I'm curious about in-library web accessibility for the totally blind. We have ZoomText XTRA that includes a screen reader along with screen magnification software, but it doesn't really seem adequate for the totally blind. We have a new patron who is totally blind and is used to using JAWS, which seems to be the de facto standard, so we're looking into that. Has anyone used JAWS with Public Browser (PWB)? Do you make a scanner available for scanning in documents for JAWS? If so, do you then make the scanner available to other library patrons to scan photos, etc.? Thanks, Mike Novak Systems Librarian University City Public Library From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Wed Jul 3 15:04:10 2002 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The totally blind References: <000e01c222be$cd979830$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> Message-ID: <3D234AAA.1070802@thecommunitylibrary.org> We have a workstation that includes a PC with JAWS and ZoomText, a scanner reader for print materials such as books, and other tools to assist people who are blind, have low vision, or have various physical or learning disbilities. We do not use Public Web Browser on the PC, but because PWB uses IE as its engine, I suspect there would be no problem using JAWS. You can check out our set up at http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org/reference/atw.html. If you would like more information, please let me know. Best regards, Chris Murphy -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org Mike Novak wrote: > Greetings Web4libers, > > I'm curious about in-library web accessibility for the totally blind. We > have ZoomText XTRA that includes a screen reader along with screen > magnification software, but it doesn't really seem adequate for the totally > blind. We have a new patron who is totally blind and is used to using JAWS, > which seems to be the de facto standard, so we're looking into that. Has > anyone used JAWS with Public Browser (PWB)? Do you make a scanner available > for scanning in documents for JAWS? If so, do you then make the scanner > available to other library patrons to scan photos, etc.? > > Thanks, > Mike Novak > Systems Librarian > University City Public Library > > > > From king at julip.fcgov.com Wed Jul 3 15:14:26 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The totally blind In-Reply-To: <000e01c222be$cd979830$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207031312380.28363-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Thanks for the question Mike. I would like information on this as well. We are currently setting up an Assistive Technology PC which will have PWB and JAWS (for W2K) installed. We too, are looking at hooking up a scanner to this PC....small world. Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Mike Novak wrote: > Greetings Web4libers, > > I'm curious about in-library web accessibility for the totally blind. We > have ZoomText XTRA that includes a screen reader along with screen > magnification software, but it doesn't really seem adequate for the totally > blind. We have a new patron who is totally blind and is used to using JAWS, > which seems to be the de facto standard, so we're looking into that. Has > anyone used JAWS with Public Browser (PWB)? Do you make a scanner available > for scanning in documents for JAWS? If so, do you then make the scanner > available to other library patrons to scan photos, etc.? > > Thanks, > Mike Novak > Systems Librarian > University City Public Library > > > From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Wed Jul 3 15:30:14 2002 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <003901c222ba$a204cc00$68c914ac@IS1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703142929.027ef638@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> I concur with what Philip says - we have an almost identical setup and procedure. At 10:47 AM 7/3/2002 -0700, Phillip B. Whitford wrote: >Bill, > >It's not an archaic policy but it is conservative. And you should be >concerned. But the question is how much risk do you want to deal with? >We allow patrons to use floppy and zip disks, theirs or ones they buy >from us, on our Internet machines. We even have a hard drive partition >they can download to. We use Norton and a variety of security measures >to keep patrons from tampering. I also have a Ghost image of the >machines. We keep Norton up to date and keep the computers patched with >the latest software and operating system updates, service packs, and >patches. Our public machines get hit by viruses everyday and sometimes >patrons lose data and occasionally I have to Ghost an image back to a >machine that is fouled up. Most of the viruses we see are e-mail related >or Word Macro viruses. We do not allow patrons to use Outlook or Outlook >Express. > >We think the risks are out weighted by the benefits to our patrons and >it really has not been a major problem for us. > >I know other Sys Admins who think we are being to risky and even a bit >irresponsible. I have been told out setup allows patrons to spread >viruses they get from the Internet to other computers either via the >Internet or by floppy or zip discs. I don't deny it's true on occasion >but we try to take every precaution consistent with providing as much of >a full Internet service as we can to our patrons. > >Phillip B. Whitford >Manager of Information Systems >Braswell Memorial Library >727 N. Grace St >Rocky Mount, NC 27804 >252-442-1951 >Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] >On Behalf Of William M. Wines >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:59 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Floppy Disks > > >Hello all, > >I'm looking for some authoritative answers to a question, and I figured >this is the place. :-) > >Is there any reason for a library that offers public Internet access to >be concerned about patrons using their own floppy discs to download and >upload files? (Given that it has an adequate virus-protection program, >such as Norton) > >We have many patrons who use web-based email and currently our usage >policy prohibits the use of floppy discs; therefore they can't upload >or download attachments. Is this or is this not an archaic policy? > >----------------------------- >Bill Wines >Assistant Director >Walled Lake City Library >1499 E. West Maple Rd. >Walled Lake, MI 48390 >(248) 624-3772 >http://walled-lake.lib.mi.us >----------------------------- From vkline at ycp.edu Wed Jul 3 15:36:15 2002 From: vkline at ycp.edu (Vickie Kline) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: The totally blind References: <3D234AAA.1070802@thecommunitylibrary.org> Message-ID: <3D23522F.BBB765A1@ycp.edu> I taught our information literacy class to a totally blind student - we used JAWS and Internet Explorer. Results varied depending on the web site. Yahoo! was extremely noisy because of the number of front page links. Google was about the best for searching - not a lot of extraneous noise on the screen... vk -- Vickie L. Kline vkline@ycp.edu Head of Technical Services Phone: 717-815-1459 Associate Professor FAX: 717-849-1608 York College of PA - Schmidt Library York, PA 17405-7199 "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" -Albert Einstein From Jeff.W.Beaird at wheaton.edu Wed Jul 3 15:56:42 2002 From: Jeff.W.Beaird at wheaton.edu (Jeff Beaird) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: The totally blind Message-ID: <3D2356FA.4D688724@wheaton.edu> We are using JAWS with PWB v. 1.x, and have had no problems at all. We do have a scanner attached for use with JAWS, but it is just a few feet away from a scanner designated for more general use, so we don't get requests to use this one for non-adaptive purposes. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how well it's working for the blind because, to my knowledge, it's never been used by a blind person. We have one student on campus who has limited vision, and she prefers doing things from her own computer (as I would, too, if I were her). If you have further questions, please contact me. -- Jeff Beaird Buswell Memorial Library Wheaton College Wheaton, IL 60187 Mike Novak wrote: > Greetings Web4libers, > > I'm curious about in-library web accessibility for the totally blind. We > have ZoomText XTRA that includes a screen reader along with screen > magnification software, but it doesn't really seem adequate for the totally > blind. We have a new patron who is totally blind and is used to using JAWS, > which seems to be the de facto standard, so we're looking into that. Has > anyone used JAWS with Public Browser (PWB)? Do you make a scanner available > for scanning in documents for JAWS? If so, do you then make the scanner > available to other library patrons to scan photos, etc.? > > Thanks, > Mike Novak > Systems Librarian > University City Public Library From kharriss at d.umn.edu Wed Jul 3 16:56:33 2002 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020703142929.027ef638@lincserver1.linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.21.0207031545030.336-100000@WIN2K-KyleH> Re: Floppy and Zip disks.. We are reworking our public PC setup, but it looks like this. 1. We use DeepFreeze Pro to prevent any changes to the hard drive from persisting. (This will be paired with a software distribution package, like Prism Deploy, by Fall. We haven't made a final decision on this piece of the puzzle. Up until now we have used PCRdist, but I'm looking for something simpler.) 2. Other than the above, our PCs are completely open. Patrons can use floppies and zip100 disks. They can download or upload. The hard drive is not protected (except by DeepFreeze). If a PC gets messed up, we turn it off (using the power switch - no need to use the Windows ShutDown command), and turn it back on. 3. Software usage is not restricted beyond our decision to load certain programs and not others. If a patron can load their own software without rebooting, it works. If a reboot is required, the changes they've made disappear. We have 31 PCs managed this way at the moment, and will add 10 more by Fall. (In our building we also have other computing facilities, managed by the campus IT department. The 31 PCs described above are just the ones we manage, located in the vicinity of our Reference Desk.) == Kyle Harriss UMD Library 10 University Drive Duluth MN 55812 voice: 218-726-6546 email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) From SYEUNG at mx.tol.lib.ca.us Wed Jul 3 17:15:14 2002 From: SYEUNG at mx.tol.lib.ca.us (SAMANTHA YEUNG) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks Message-ID: <sd23070e.043@mx.tol.lib.ca.us> Kyle, I am wondering if your public computers are on a completely different network or subnet from your staff computers. Could you elaborate on your network infrastructure? Do you also use Win2K System Policy to lock down the computer? We are due for some network upgrade and would like to get more information . Thanks, Samantha ****************************************************************** Samantha Yeung v: (805) 449-2660 x. 232 Systems Librarian f: (805) 373-6858 Thousand Oaks Library syeung@mx.tol.lib.ca.us 1401 E. Janss Rd. Thousand Oaks, CA 91362 ****************************************************************** >>> Kyle Harriss <kharriss@d.umn.edu> 07/03/02 01:59PM >>> Re: Floppy and Zip disks.. We are reworking our public PC setup, but it looks like this. 1. We use DeepFreeze Pro to prevent any changes to the hard drive from persisting. (This will be paired with a software distribution package, like Prism Deploy, by Fall. We haven't made a final decision on this piece of the puzzle. Up until now we have used PCRdist, but I'm looking for something simpler.) 2. Other than the above, our PCs are completely open. Patrons can use floppies and zip100 disks. They can download or upload. The hard drive is not protected (except by DeepFreeze). If a PC gets messed up, we turn it off (using the power switch - no need to use the Windows ShutDown command), and turn it back on. 3. Software usage is not restricted beyond our decision to load certain programs and not others. If a patron can load their own software without rebooting, it works. If a reboot is required, the changes they've made disappear. We have 31 PCs managed this way at the moment, and will add 10 more by Fall. (In our building we also have other computing facilities, managed by the campus IT department. The 31 PCs described above are just the ones we manage, located in the vicinity of our Reference Desk.) == Kyle Harriss UMD Library 10 University Drive Duluth MN 55812 voice: 218-726-6546 email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) From bsargeant at ci.springfield.or.us Wed Jul 3 17:16:00 2002 From: bsargeant at ci.springfield.or.us (SARGEANT Brad) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks Message-ID: <200207032118.OAA15264@webjunction.org> I would like to second this setup. We have DeepFreeze Pro on 30+ machines. Patrons can install as many different instant messengers, chat apps, plugins, etc... as they like and restarting takes it all away. I have taken out control panels and Network neighborhood via Tweak UI. Other than that the machines are wide open. Brad Sargeant Springfield Public Library Springfield, OR 541-726-2236 >>> Kyle Harriss 07/03/02 01:59PM >>> Re: Floppy and Zip disks.. We are reworking our public PC setup, but it looks like this. 1. We use DeepFreeze Pro to prevent any changes to the hard drive from persisting. (This will be paired with a software distribution package, like Prism Deploy, by Fall. We haven't made a final decision on this piece of the puzzle. Up until now we have used PCRdist, but I'm looking for something simpler.) 2. Other than the above, our PCs are completely open. Patrons can use floppies and zip100 disks. They can download or upload. The hard drive is not protected (except by DeepFreeze). If a PC gets messed up, we turn it off (using the power switch - no need to use the Windows ShutDown command), and turn it back on. 3. Software usage is not restricted beyond our decision to load certain programs and not others. If a patron can load their own software without rebooting, it works. If a reboot is required, the changes they've made disappear. We have 31 PCs managed this way at the moment, and will add 10 more by Fall. (In our building we also have other computing facilities, managed by the campus IT department. The 31 PCs described above are just the ones we manage, located in the vicinity of our Reference Desk.) == Kyle Harriss UMD Library 10 University Drive Duluth MN 55812 voice: 218-726-6546 email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) From tkrohn at timberland.lib.wa.us Wed Jul 3 17:36:38 2002 From: tkrohn at timberland.lib.wa.us (Thirza Krohn) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: The totally blind Message-ID: <6e0c9bb5.9bb56e0c@timberland.lib.wa.us> A couple of years ago our local Lions club gave us money to purchase a PC and scanner. The PC has JAWS, OPEN Book, and MAGic (magnification) software. We use Microsoft Internet Explorer for the Internet, as well as having Microsoft Office products and the licensed databases that are available on other PCs. There are keyboard commands the low vision patron uses to listen to the text of documents on the Internet and books after scanning the page. We have not had a completely blind person trying to use this equipment, so I'm not sure how successful they would be. We do not allow other patrons to scan photos, etc. If a low vision patron is not using the PC and there isn't another PC available, we let other patrons use it to do word processing, etc. Hope this helps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thirza Krohn Voice: (360)533-2360 ext. 2012 Reference Librarian Fax: (360)533-9771 121 E. Market Email:tkrohn@timberland.lib.wa.us Aberdeen, WA 98520 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacque King <king@julip.fcgov.com> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:17 pm Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: The totally blind > Thanks for the question Mike. I would like information on this as > well.We are currently setting up an Assistive Technology PC which > will have PWB > and JAWS (for W2K) installed. We too, are looking at hooking up a > scannerto this PC....small world. > > Jacque King > Library Technical Support Specialist > Fort Collins Public Library > 201 Peterson Street > Fort Collins, CO 80524 > (970) 221-6716 > king@julip.fcgov.com > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Mike Novak wrote: > > > Greetings Web4libers, > > > > I'm curious about in-library web accessibility for the totally > blind. We > > have ZoomText XTRA that includes a screen reader along with screen > > magnification software, but it doesn't really seem adequate for > the totally > > blind. We have a new patron who is totally blind and is used to > using JAWS, > > which seems to be the de facto standard, so we're looking into > that. Has > > anyone used JAWS with Public Browser (PWB)? Do you make a > scanner available > > for scanning in documents for JAWS? If so, do you then make the > scanner> available to other library patrons to scan photos, etc.? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Novak > > Systems Librarian > > University City Public Library > > > > > > > > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jul 3 18:06:53 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <sd23070e.043@mx.tol.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207031731360.28772-100000@overlord.tln.org> I've always followed the "castle" mentality to lock down everything and only open the drawbridge when necessary on our public Internet and word processing computers. :) In our case, we have just started to allow floppy drive use. On our computers, I use StormWindows and registry hacks as the first layer of defense. At some point, I'll use Windows2000's Group Policy as a replacement for this setup. Next, I use Windows2000's internal permissions by setting the account permissions set to "User". This places additional restrictions on what files can be changed/deleted/etc. The goal is to protect the machine for tampering and to prevent patrons from installing applications that we don't want on there. We run F-Secure for anti-virus protection both for the users and the computers. It provides both on-access and on-demand scanning. The F-Secure server automatically downloads updates from the web and the clients pick-up and install these updates automatically. This should ensure that our anit-virus protection is as current as possible. Finally, we have segmented our networks so that our public PCs are segregated from our staff PCs and network servers. This includes a physical separation of the network to further protect the Township Wide Area Network. Compared to some others, this might seem like overkill. But these are the points that we have taken into consideration: 1) There are all kinds of malicious programs that patrons can run from floppies or download off the net. We want to make it as hard as possible to keep them from using those applications on our network. Unsecured PCs don't provide that protection. 2) Restoration programs, like DeepFreeze, don't protect against viruses. Once the PC is infected, it can infect other PCs and patron floppies. If a another patron uses the computer before the system is restored, they could be infected. Sure, it's a user-beware world out there but we want to provide at least some level of protection against those kind of situations. 3) Allowing patrons to install whatever they want leads to inconsistent PC configurations and patron confusion. Whenever patrons are confused, there is likely to be frustration and wasted time for both patrons and staff. Of course, with DeepFreeze, you can reboot and restore, but our goal is to avoid the problem in the first place. It's also why we use PWB on the Internet computers and K-Meleon on the OPACs. Both programs are locked down against patron modification. Our approach is not without its drawbacks. It makes us more restrictive than some other institutions. For example. today I had a patron who wanted to use a ZIP program to unzip some files he downloaded off the Internet. I don't provide access to WinZip from our public PCs so he was out of luck. Also, the security layers make modifications tedious and it has gotten beyond the point where staff can troubleshoot those kinds of problems. If something is too locked down, I'm the one who has to correct that where as before, staff could do some of that on their own. On the other hand, I would not feel comfortable allowing patrons to install whatever they wanted on the PCs, even if I knew I could restore the PC with a reboot. Call me paranoid. :) Plus, I don't think our staff or administration would be too happy with that situation. Also, my network administrator wouldn't allow that to happen as he's even more paranoid than I am. But, every institution has their own setup that works best for them. I'm not knocking others arrangements, just explaining why we do things the way we do here. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, SAMANTHA YEUNG wrote: > Kyle, > > I am wondering if your public computers are on a completely different network or subnet from your staff computers. Could you elaborate on your network infrastructure? Do you also use Win2K System Policy to lock down the computer? > > We are due for some network upgrade and would like to get more information . > > Thanks, > Samantha > > > ****************************************************************** > Samantha Yeung v: (805) 449-2660 x. 232 > Systems Librarian f: (805) 373-6858 > Thousand Oaks Library syeung@mx.tol.lib.ca.us > 1401 E. Janss Rd. > Thousand Oaks, CA 91362 > ****************************************************************** > > >>> Kyle Harriss <kharriss@d.umn.edu> 07/03/02 01:59PM >>> > Re: Floppy and Zip disks.. > > We are reworking our public PC setup, but > it looks like this. > > 1. We use DeepFreeze Pro to prevent any > changes to the hard drive from persisting. > > (This will be paired with a software > distribution package, like Prism Deploy, > by Fall. We haven't made a final decision > on this piece of the puzzle. Up until now > we have used PCRdist, but I'm looking for > something simpler.) > > 2. Other than the above, our PCs are completely > open. Patrons can use floppies and zip100 disks. > They can download or upload. The hard drive > is not protected (except by DeepFreeze). > > If a PC gets messed up, we turn it off > (using the power switch - no need to use > the Windows ShutDown command), and turn it > back on. > > 3. Software usage is not restricted beyond > our decision to load certain programs and > not others. If a patron can load their own > software without rebooting, it works. > If a reboot is required, the changes they've > made disappear. > > We have 31 PCs managed this way at the moment, > and will add 10 more by Fall. > > (In our building we also have other computing > facilities, managed by the campus IT department. > The 31 PCs described above are just the ones > we manage, located in the vicinity of our > Reference Desk.) > > == > Kyle Harriss > UMD Library > 10 University Drive > Duluth MN 55812 > > voice: 218-726-6546 > email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) > > > > From kharriss at d.umn.edu Wed Jul 3 18:16:34 2002 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <sd23070e.043@mx.tol.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.21.0207031701250.384-100000@WIN2K-KyleH> Samantha, On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, SAMANTHA YEUNG wrote: > .. > I am wondering if your public computers are on a > completely different network or subnet from your staff computers. Could > you elaborate on your network infrastructure? Do you also use Win2K > System Policy to lock down the computer? > .. I'm not sure whether this addresses your question properly, but.. Much of the network infrastructure here is only 2 years old. In our network closets we don't have hubs, we have switches. So, none of the PCs in the public area could be used to "snif" the network communications of our office PCs. With that said, they are on different subnets. That is, the IP addresses for one group are xxx.xxx.110.xxx, and for the other are xxx.xxx.111.xxx, but there is nothing preventing a PC on one subnet from talking TCP/IP to a PC on another subnet. No, we don't use any system policies to lock down these PCs (which are running Win98 right now, but will be running Win2k by September). The Win2k systems we put out will probably have some Windows components removed or disabled.. such as IIS. == Kyle Harriss UMD Library 10 University Drive Duluth MN 55812 voice: 218-726-6546 email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) harrisshome@juno.com (home) > Kyle, > > > We are due for some network upgrade and would like to get more information . > > Thanks, > Samantha > > > ****************************************************************** > Samantha Yeung v: (805) 449-2660 x. 232 > Systems Librarian f: (805) 373-6858 > Thousand Oaks Library syeung@mx.tol.lib.ca.us > 1401 E. Janss Rd. > Thousand Oaks, CA 91362 > ****************************************************************** > > >>> Kyle Harriss <kharriss@d.umn.edu> 07/03/02 01:59PM >>> > Re: Floppy and Zip disks.. > > We are reworking our public PC setup, but > it looks like this. > > 1. We use DeepFreeze Pro to prevent any > changes to the hard drive from persisting. > > (This will be paired with a software > distribution package, like Prism Deploy, > by Fall. We haven't made a final decision > on this piece of the puzzle. Up until now > we have used PCRdist, but I'm looking for > something simpler.) > > 2. Other than the above, our PCs are completely > open. Patrons can use floppies and zip100 disks. > They can download or upload. The hard drive > is not protected (except by DeepFreeze). > > If a PC gets messed up, we turn it off > (using the power switch - no need to use > the Windows ShutDown command), and turn it > back on. > > 3. Software usage is not restricted beyond > our decision to load certain programs and > not others. If a patron can load their own > software without rebooting, it works. > If a reboot is required, the changes they've > made disappear. > > We have 31 PCs managed this way at the moment, > and will add 10 more by Fall. > > (In our building we also have other computing > facilities, managed by the campus IT department. > The 31 PCs described above are just the ones > we manage, located in the vicinity of our > Reference Desk.) > > == > Kyle Harriss > UMD Library > 10 University Drive > Duluth MN 55812 > > voice: 218-726-6546 > email: kharriss@d.umn.edu (work) > > > > From king at julip.fcgov.com Wed Jul 3 18:50:57 2002 From: king at julip.fcgov.com (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.21.0207031701250.384-100000@WIN2K-KyleH> Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207031647280.868-100000@julip.fcgov.com> One thing not mentioned yet is that if you are going to enable floppy drives for your patrons, you should make sure that they can not boot from a floppy (disable this in your BIOS). Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Fri Jul 5 06:53:03 2002 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.44.0207031647280.868-100000@julip.fcgov.com> Message-ID: <000b01c22412$26382460$68c914ac@IS1> Good point Jacque. We disable booting from CD-ROMs as well. I pretty much agree with everything Andrew Mutch said in his posting as well. We don't allow patrons to install their own software either. In our library I believe it increases the risk to the library network to an unacceptable level. I'm not knocking other libraries either. Just reporting what we are doing in our environment. Phillip B. Whitford Manager of Information Systems Braswell Memorial Library 727 N. Grace St Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jacque King Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Web4Lib] RE: Floppy Disks One thing not mentioned yet is that if you are going to enable floppy drives for your patrons, you should make sure that they can not boot from a floppy (disable this in your BIOS). Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com From s.porter at bl1.lib.latrobe.edu.au Fri Jul 5 15:17:35 2002 From: s.porter at bl1.lib.latrobe.edu.au (s.porter@bl1.lib.latrobe.edu.au) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2676 Message-ID: <15964D0D38@bl1.lib.latrobe.edu.au> Sue Porter is on leave between 6th July and Sunday 14th July. From rsullivan at sals.edu Fri Jul 5 17:06:05 2002 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:38 2005 Subject: Outlook Express Attachment Security Message-ID: <002c01c22467$c9c83d90$2401040a@sals.edu> I am trying to use the "Safe Attachments" feature in Outlook Express 6, but it appears to block almost any kind of attachment from being opened. I have modified Internet Explorer's "unsafe file list" to allow Word, Excel, PDF and ZIP files to be received by our staff. Any thoughts on other common files we'd be likely to receive? We are using anti-virus software, of course, and our consortium's mail server also has a scanner, but I would like to take advantage of this OE setting if I can. Thanks! Bob Sullivan <rsullivan@sals.edu> Schenectady County Public Library NY <http://www.scpl.org> Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org> From apgagne at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 5 18:07:46 2002 From: apgagne at frontiernet.net (Andro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:38 2005 Subject: Database products for the UNIX platform Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020705172736.024c7ac0@127.0.0.1> Colleagues: Over the past 3 1/2 years I have had the opportunity, in a corporate library setting, to gain quite a bit of experience developing databases with intranet front ends and database-driven Web pages using Inmagic's DB/TextWorks database software and its WebPublisher CGI/ISAPI scripts. I enjoy working with the Inmagic products very much, but DB/TextWorks was not developed for use on a UNIX platform. I now need to gain similar expertise in developing databases on the FreeBSD UNIX platform, on which I've been doing some part-time freelance Web development for several years. Short of an enterprise product like Oracle or Sybase, it appears to me that the most obvious choices for a FreeBSD-compatible database program would be mSQL, MySGL, and PostgreSQL. I would really appreciate it if any of you who have had a significant amount of experience with any of these products could share with me the pros and cons of these products as you see them. Please send your responses directly to me. I will summarize for the list if others also seem interested in this information. Thanks in advance, Andro Gagn? From gerrymck at iastate.edu Fri Jul 5 19:49:00 2002 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:38 2005 Subject: _A-Books: Audible Books in Library Collections_ Message-ID: <sd25ea41.073@129.186.11.21> _A-Books: Audible Books in Library Collections_ I am greatly interested in learning of library efforts to acquire and catalog and/or otherwise make available Web-based Audible Books (A-Books) for their respective collections. One major vendor of Audible Books is [Audible.com] "Audible.com makes it possible for you to listen to audiobooks, lectures, public radio programs, newspapers and more, either at your desktop computer or on-the-go with a portable device. With more than 24,000 hours of downloadable audio, you can find favorites and discover new ones." [BTW: Audible.com has an agreement with Amazon.com to sell A-Books] I am also interested in other A-Books vendors as well as references to articles, studies, reports, etc and other relevant literature on the topic. As Always, Any and All contributions, suggestions, critiques, rebates, or Cosmic Insights are Most Welcome. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Audacious Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Hear It" With Apologies to Alan Kay _DISCLAIMER_ The mention of any commercial service or product is for information purposes only and does not constitute an endorsement. From egarcia at state.lib.ga.us Mon Jul 8 09:05:44 2002 From: egarcia at state.lib.ga.us (Garcia, Elizabeth) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: Electronic Tutorials Message-ID: <6D8B1CFE853CD411823B0008C7CFFE27A0235E@hermes.state.lib.ga.us> I am developing online tutorials and documentation for our library system and want to get away from static HTML pages. Do any of you have recommendations for software or templates that can be used to create animated or interactive tutorials? Thanks! Elizabeth McKinney de Garcia PINES Project Coordinator Georgia Public Library Service From m.leggott at uwinnipeg.ca Mon Jul 8 10:43:24 2002 From: m.leggott at uwinnipeg.ca (Mark Leggott) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Electronic Tutorials Message-ID: <sd295ec1.088@ds1.uwinnipeg.ca> We have been using Qarbon here at The University of Winnipeg. It has proven quite popular with both users and librarians creating the tutorials. Some early examples are at: http://cybrary.uwinnipeg.ca/emanual Click on tutorials on the left-hand side and pick one. The vendor website is: http://www.qarbon.com/ and they have just released version 3, which has some interesting new features. One nice thing about the app for the client is that there is no plugin installation required. You can also use an ad-laden free version if you don't want to purchase. Linux/Mac/Solaris version are coming - currently you can only author in Windows. The University of Winnipeg is a member of a consortium of Canadian universities called COPPUL (Council of Prairie and Pacific University Libraries) and we are looking at creating a shared repository of Qarbon viewlets to facilitate development of stuff that would essentially be the same from site to site (e.g. databases). An institution that wanted to add some of their own data could take the standard uncompiled viewlet and just add a few screens of their own. Karen Hunt (k.hunt@uwinnipeg.ca - our Information Literacy Coordinator) and the staff in our Information Literacy unit have done all the work with Qarbon to date. We are also starting to work with our Computer Centre who would like to create viewlets for common support issues. I have no interest in the company, other than the fact that they have created a great little web tutorial builder ;-) Mark Leggott, University Librarian University of Winnipeg 204-786-9801 204-786-8910 FAX m.leggott@uwinnipeg.ca cybrary.uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Garcia, Elizabeth" <egarcia@state.lib.ga.us> 07/08/02 08:07AM >>> I am developing online tutorials and documentation for our library system and want to get away from static HTML pages. Do any of you have recommendations for software or templates that can be used to create animated or interactive tutorials? Thanks! Elizabeth McKinney de Garcia PINES Project Coordinator Georgia Public Library Service From gerrymck at iastate.edu Mon Jul 8 13:59:08 2002 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: ScienceDirect(r) Limited Pay-Per-View Services Message-ID: <sd298cbd.032@129.186.11.21> ScienceDirect(r) Limited Pay-Per-View Services I am greatly interested in learning about the experience of libraries that use or have used the ScienceDirect(r) Limited service that allows libraries to offer 'transactional access' (pay-per-view) to articles 'outside' their subscribed titles or packages. I am interested in experience with institutional subsidization of such pay-per-view services as well end-user purchase by personal credit card. I am also interested in any and all configurations for mediated or unmediated services. As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, queries, questions, Cosmic Insights, Pleading of the Fifth, etc. etc. will be Most Welcome! Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Limited Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu _DISCLAIMER_ The mention of any commercial service or product is for information purposes only and does not constitute an endorsement. From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Jul 8 14:34:07 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: Do libraries really need books? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB0401573DB3@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> An interesting piece in the Chronicle of Higher Education on the role of books in academic libraries vis a vis the role of electronic information: http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i44/44a03101.htm <http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i44/44a03101.htm> Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Jul 8 14:40:23 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: Do libraries really need books Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB0401573DB6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> An interesting piece from the Chronicle of Higher Education on the future of the book in college and university libraries: http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i44/44a03101.htm Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From jpearce at nla.gov.au Mon Jul 8 19:42:41 2002 From: jpearce at nla.gov.au (Judith Pearce) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:41 2005 Subject: World Cup Message-ID: <35A0BC67FA1AD311B18E0090277A418704CDF34D@gandalf.shire.nla.gov.au> > Did anyone else record a significant unexpected decrease in web usage > across all services in the second half of June? > Judith Pearce Director, Web Services National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2601 Australia Phone: +61 2 62621425 Fax: +61 2 6273 3648 Email: jpearce@nla.gov.au NLA Web Site: http://www.nla.gov.au From lucrezia.herman at ntu.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 07:51:01 2002 From: lucrezia.herman at ntu.ac.uk (Herman, Lucrezia) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: drop-down menu query Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4305542A9C@lotus.ntu.ac.uk> Hi, all- Our home page (http://www.ntu.ac.uk/lis/) includes 2 drop-down menus. The bottom box (Subject Portals) contains 16 entries which we would like to be visible without the need for scrolling once the down arrow has been clicked. Is this possible? Any code tweaks gratefully received! Thanks. -Lucrezia -- Lucrezia Herman Project Officer - Electronic Library Development Library & Information Services The Nottingham Trent University lucrezia.herman@ntu.ac.uk Tel. (0115) 848-4628 This email is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, you must take no action on it or show a copy to anyone. Please reply to this email to highlight this error. Opinions and information in this email which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jul 11 08:59:47 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] drop-down menu query In-Reply-To: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4305542A9C@lotus.ntu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711083213.0251f988@ohiolink.edu> At 07:55 AM 7/11/2002, Herman, Lucrezia wrote: >Hi, all- > >Our home page (http://www.ntu.ac.uk/lis/) includes 2 drop-down menus. The >bottom box (Subject Portals) contains 16 entries which we would like to be >visible without the need for scrolling once the down arrow has been clicked. >Is this possible?... Yes. Use a browser that displays all 16 entries without scrolling. On my system, neither Opera nor Mozilla use a scroll bar. >...Any code tweaks gratefully received! [May I recommend that you start by tweaking the code so that it works on browsers with Javascript turned off? As it is, some non-negligible percentage of your users cannot use these menus at all.] Of course, there is the select element's "size" attribute, but that would keep the menu always open to the required size instead of acting as a drop-down. I am not aware of any code--certainly not HTML code, I'll let Javascript wizards speak for themselves--that affects the length of the <select> element only when it is dropped down. If there were such code, it would very likely not work across multiple browsers and platforms: most browsers rely on the operating system's native widgets to create form inputs, making them less susceptible to styling hints in the web page. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From pattyb at umich.edu Thu Jul 11 09:15:54 2002 From: pattyb at umich.edu (Patty Bradley) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: drop-down menu query In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711083213.0251f988@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <4176737821.1026378954@PCM2509> --On Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:02 AM -0700 Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> wrote: > [May I recommend that you start by tweaking the code so that it works on > browsers with Javascript turned off? As it is, some non-negligible > percentage of your users cannot use these menus at all.] I believe that the only way to accomplish this is to associate a submit button with each drop down menu, and remove the javascript. Each drop-down menu will be a separate form in the code. Please correct me if I am wrong. -Patty __________________________________________ Patty Bradley, Web Administrator Public Health Information Services & Access (PHISA) the School of Public Health at the University of Michigan 734-764-0300 http://www.sph.umich.edu/ Have you updated your web browser lately? Netscape 6.2 http://browsers.netscape.com/browsers/main.tmpl Internet Explorer 6.26 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/ie6/default.asp Mozilla 1.0 http://www.mozilla.org __________________________________________ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jul 11 09:16:28 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Libraries and the Internet In-Reply-To: <p05001901b95235e6ad5f@[128.114.238.171]> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10207110915110.15358-100000@overlord.tln.org> Techies, meet your new best friends: librarians. :) Libraries: The new cyberbattleground http://news.com.com/2008-1082-942790.html Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jul 11 09:36:32 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: drop-down menu query In-Reply-To: <4176737821.1026378954@PCM2509> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711091843.0255b008@ohiolink.edu> At 09:17 AM 7/11/2002, Patty Bradley wrote: >--On Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:02 AM -0700 Thomas Dowling ><tdowling@ohiolink.edu> wrote: > > > [May I recommend that you start by tweaking the code so that it works on > > browsers with Javascript turned off? As it is, some non-negligible > > percentage of your users cannot use these menus at all.] > >I believe that the only way to accomplish this is to associate a submit >button with each drop down menu, and remove the javascript. Each drop-down >menu will be a separate form in the code. Please correct me if I am wrong. Write good HTML and things are accessible by default. Valid markup requires an action for the form, and good authorship adds a submit button. It is not necessary to remove the Javascript, so exactly the same functionality can be retained for JS users. It is necessary to have a server-side script that will do the necessary redirection as the non-JS fallback. <form action="redirector.cgi" method="get"> <p><select name="selected_item" onchange="submit(this.form)"> <option>Apples</option> <option>Bananas</option> <option>Cherries</option> <option>D'Anjou Pears</option> </select></p> <noscript> <!-- If you want to get fancy --> <p><input type="submit" value="Go!"></p> </noscript> </form> As a less attractive alternative (IMO), you could use JS document.write statements to write out the current form and use the noscript element either to write out the links or to write one link to a standalone list of the links on another page. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Thu Jul 11 10:18:35 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights August issue out Message-ID: <OF9D261D43.7A399629-ON88256BF3.004E7136@rlg.org> Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large, v. 2, no. 10, August 2002, is now available at: http://cical.home.att.net This 18-page issue (PDF as always) includes: * Bibs & Blather * Feedback: Peter Suber's response to "Scholarly Journals and Grand Solutions" * The Filtering Follies * disContent: "Dear AT&T Broadband..." * More Literacy Notes * Ebooks and Etext * PC Group Reviews: 25 reviews in 9 groups From dshapiro at slis.wisc.edu Thu Jul 11 10:24:01 2002 From: dshapiro at slis.wisc.edu (Debra Shapiro) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Web-application development workshop Message-ID: <a05100301b9533f206a33@[128.104.96.211]> With apologies to Thomas (*Low Boggle Threshold) Dowling & others who advocate other platforms, for excellent reasons <grin>, UW-Madison SLIS-CES presents this workshop for the 40% of libraries running their Web servers under MSIIS. Since the underlying concepts are similar regardless of environment, guest speakers from UW-Madison Libraries, a unix-based production environment, will present short synopses of other ways of doing things. ------------------------------------------------ Web-Database Application Development Date: August 19th - 23rd, 2002 (5 days) Time: 8:30 am. - 4:30 p.m.; plus two evening labs Location: ARCH InfoLab at Chadbourne Hall, UW-Madison Campus Fee: $799 for one person, $699 each for up to 2 more from the same institution, enrolled as a team Registration deadline: August 1 CEUs: 4.0 This 5-day workshop will introduce relational database design concepts, HTML form design, and active server page (ASP) scripting. Participants will design a database to house specific library content and will develop the search and display formats necessary for presenting this information interactively on the Web. Concepts will be presented in demonstration format, with ample time devoted to hands-on exercise and implementation of the application design and programming. At the completion of the workshop, participants will have a working application that can be housed on an NT server running IIS. Our example application will examine a newspaper index database and how to develop query functions and data maintenance routines via active server pages. The principles covered can be applied to specific library applications using the code as an application design template. Since most Web-application development is a collaborative process, development teams are strongly encouraged to attend together, and a registration discount for teams is offered. Ideally, a team should include a content specialist (the person who best understands the data collection and reporting needs of the application), a Web author or designer, a database designer, and an application programmer. In many libraries a single person may share these roles, but best practice is to create a team of at least two people for a major application development project. Some course topics: Relational Database Design Database Theory Junction Tables, Lookup Tables, Relationships, Referential Integrity SQL - Structured Query Language ASP - Active Server Pages Developing a website layout for the search page Develop a basic Cascading Style Sheet (CSS) Creating search forms and generating formatted output Viewing, Adding, Updating and Deleting Records Result Set Paging, Error Handling, Expanding the Application Advanced Recordset Techniques Ways to expand the application Printable registration form (in Adobe .pdf format) available at: http://www.slis.wisc.edu/academic/ces/webdb.html Please call (608) 263-2942, or email cesinfo@slis.wisc.edu for information on other ways to register, or to request a brochure with a registration form. Questions about the course content can be directed to Debra Shapiro, dshapiro@slis.wisc.edu, but please do not send her registrations! Course Instructor: Dawne Tortorella is President and co-founder of BellCow, Inc., a technology consulting company. BellCow provides technology training, database design, web-based application development, network design, implementation and support, and technology planning services for libraries of all types. Housing: A block of rooms has been reserved for this class at the Lowell Center, 608-256-2621 Additional housing and parking information will also be sent with your registration confirmation. -- dshapiro@slis.wisc.edu Debra Shapiro Continuing Education Services UW-Madison SLIS 4282 Helen C. White Hall Madison WI 53706 608 262 9195 FAX 608 263 4849 From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jul 11 10:54:30 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] metadata in HTML pages In-Reply-To: <p05001901b95235e6ad5f@[128.114.238.171]> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207110938530.5369-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> We are somewhere on a continuum between two points, one is Web metadata as only a gleam in someone's eye and Web metadata as universally deployed and fully exploited. The Web is gradually moving along this continuum and for everyone it is a judgment call as to when you start implementing. Or perhaps a better analogy is this: When are you going to buy a personal computer and are you going to buy a Mac or PC or are you going to jump in early and buy an Amiga? When are you going to buy a VCR and are you going to buy VHS or Beta? "Standards are great! There are so many of them to choose from!" You can choose to enjoy the intellectual foment (and the ensuing chaos) or you can despair at the time and effort expended on something that may eventually have to be thrown away or redone, or do a bit of both. After all, libraries never have to re-catalog entire sections of their holdings, right? ;) I think the view expressed by Norm Medeiros in "Making Room for MARC in a Dublin Core World" still holds true three years after he wrote it <http://www.infotoday.com/online/OL1999/medeiros11.html>: "The motivation for AltaVista or Excite to adopt the Dublin Core syntax at present remains questionable. A finalized W3C metadata RDF should spur search engine companies into adopting the standard, and thus result in exact Dublin Core element targeting. How this will play out remains to be seen. Nevertheless, incorporating Dublin Core into library Web pages at present can only help retrieval. Additionally, individual library search engines can be crafted to target Dublin Core, thereby increasing retrieval for users of that specific site." Getting less philosophical, there is a list of DC tools and software at <http://dublincore.org/tools/>, which includes IllumiNet Corpus that can index DC in HTML. I can't find any evidence that major search sites properly parse DC, or any evidence that they look at <link rel="meta"> tags for external metadata or <head profile="URI"> attributes for metadata profiles. Perhaps the best advice is to pick the metadata standard that best suits your project and that you find best. We need less theorizing and standard setting, and more practical experience on which to base theories and standards. The more people use it the better populated with metadata the Web will become, which will make it worthwhile to build tools that interpret and translate metadata. I seem to be in quote mode today so I'll end with, "If you build it, they will come." Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library "general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." --Jon Postel, 1980, RFC 761, TCP From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Thu Jul 11 10:46:03 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Registration open for LITA National Forum (Houston, TX) Message-ID: <198304.1026384363@localhost> Apologies for cross-postings. Registration is now open for the 2002 LITA National Forum. Register now and reserve your space! Register early via our web page and ensure your spot at the best information technology conference for your IT continuing education and networking needs. Registration is limited to 500. The 2002 LITA National Forum will be held in Houston, TX, October 10-13 at the Westin Galleria and Westin Oaks. The theme of the fifth annual LITA National Forum is "Making Connections." For details about the Forum visit <http://www.lita.org/forum02/index.html>. To register go to the online registration form at <http://www.lita.org/forum02/onlinereg.html> or to the printable registration form at <http://www.lita.org/forum02/printreg.html>. The Forum includes three general sessions and 30 concurrent sessions. General session speakers, Clifford Lynch, Marc Rotenberg, and Fred (Rick) Weingarten will speak on topics important to the information technology community, including privacy and information policy. Add to your Forum experience by attending the full-day preconference "XML and Libraries" taught by Ron Gilmour, or one or both of the half-day preconferences, "Building Digital Libraries" taught by Howard Besser and Bernard Hurley and "Technology Disasters: Planning for Them and Recovering from Them" taught by David Ives. A number of networking opportunities will be available, including the Friday evening reception, sponsored by Innovative Interfaces, Inc., and Saturday evening networking dinners. E-mail and Internet access terminals will be provided by Fretwell-Downing, Inc., and Veicon Technology, Inc. Other sponsors helping to make the Forum possible include Axonix Corporation, AWE, Gaylord Information Systems, Innovative Interfaces, Inc., and Techbooks. For complete details, including hotel and airline information, see <http://www.lita.org/forum02/index.html>. Or call Valerie Edmonds in the LITA office, 800-545-2433, ext. 4269. The Library and Information Technology Association (LITA) is a division of the American Library Association (ALA). -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From Johan_Ragetli at kpr.edu.on.ca Thu Jul 11 14:53:15 2002 From: Johan_Ragetli at kpr.edu.on.ca (Johan_Ragetli@kpr.edu.on.ca) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: drop-down menu query Message-ID: <OF51DC88E3.E1F31679-ON85256BF3.00660090@kpr.edu.on.ca> As we are on the topic of drop down menus I have a question I hope one of you may be able to answer for me. I need to create a header--actually several-- to sit on top of our union catalogue which is shared by a number of school libraries and a public library. Needless to say each location would like to have its own presence. In my first draft I have been using frames to accomplish this. The problem is establishing the target for the links in the header portion. I would like the links in the header to open in a full window or a new window but not in the main frame or the header. I can do this by setting the base target to blank or top in page properties. But it doesn't work for any of the links in the drop-down menu I have included. Any ideas on how to accomplish this--frames or not--would be greatly appreciated. Is there a way to include a defined target in the form itself, for example? Server=NT Header= http://www.kpr.edu.on.ca/BoardInfo/Services/Educ/LRC/test/lrc_header.htm Frames page=http://www.kpr.edu.on.ca/BoardInfo/Services/Educ/LRC/test/ipac.htm _____________________ Johan Ragetli, Library Information Analyst Kawartha Pine Ridge DSB Peterborough, ON Canada Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu>@webjunction.org on 07/11/2002 09:38:50 AM Please respond to tdowling@ohiolink.edu Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: drop-down menu query At 09:17 AM 7/11/2002, Patty Bradley wrote: >--On Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:02 AM -0700 Thomas Dowling ><tdowling@ohiolink.edu> wrote: > > > [May I recommend that you start by tweaking the code so that it works on > > browsers with Javascript turned off? As it is, some non-negligible > > percentage of your users cannot use these menus at all.] > >I believe that the only way to accomplish this is to associate a submit >button with each drop down menu, and remove the javascript. Each drop-down >menu will be a separate form in the code. Please correct me if I am wrong. Write good HTML and things are accessible by default. Valid markup requires an action for the form, and good authorship adds a submit button. It is not necessary to remove the Javascript, so exactly the same functionality can be retained for JS users. It is necessary to have a server-side script that will do the necessary redirection as the non-JS fallback. <form action="redirector.cgi" method="get"> <p><select name="selected_item" onchange="submit(this.form)"> <option>Apples</option> <option>Bananas</option> <option>Cherries</option> <option>D'Anjou Pears</option> </select></p> <noscript> <!-- If you want to get fancy --> <p><input type="submit" value="Go!"></p> </noscript> </form> As a less attractive alternative (IMO), you could use JS document.write statements to write out the current form and use the noscript element either to write out the links or to write one link to a standalone list of the links on another page. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From gerrymck at iastate.edu Thu Jul 11 15:28:00 2002 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Free Full Text Access to "E-Serials Cataloging" / _Serials Librarian_ 41 (3-4) Message-ID: <sd2d9606.077@129.186.11.21> Free Full Text Access to "E-Serials Cataloging to Continuing and Integrating Resources via the Catalog and the Web," [The Serials Librarian 41 (3-4)] I am pleased to announce that free full-text (PDF) access to the entire contents of "E-Serials Cataloging to Continuing and Integrating Resources via the Catalog and the Web," (_The Serials Librarian_ 41 (3-4) 2002) edited by Jim Cole and Wayne Jones is now available from the following site: [http://www.ameshomeschool.org/serialslibrarian/index.html ] and [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gerrymck/SLv41n3-4.pdf ] As previously announced [ http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0206/0271.html ] this special issue contains my latest article "E is for Everything: The Extra-Ordinary, Evoluntionay [e-]Journal" which is a review of key features of The Eclectic Journal. Here's a partial Table of Contents for the issue. E-Serials Cataloging in the 1990's: A Review of the Literature by Ann Copeland ISBD(ER) and Its Role in the Management of Electronic Resources by Sten Hedberg The Integration of Electronic Resources into Cataloging Instruction in the LIS Curriculum by Taemin Kim Park Teaching Seriality: A Major Education Challenge by Arlene G. Taylor Web Resources for Cataloging Electronic Serials and Continuing Resources: An Annotated Bibliography by John Blosser, Tim Hagan, and Yvonne W. Zhang Internet Resources Cataloging in ARL Libraries: Staffing and Access Issues by Jeanne M.K. Boydston and Joan M. Leysen Notes for Remote Access Computer File Serials by Beatrice L. Caraway On Pins and Needles: Using Structured Metadata for Collocation and Browsing Capability by Gregory Wool NESLI MARC Records: An Experiment in Creating MARC Records for E-Journals by Ross MacIntyre Improving Access to E-Journals and Databases at the MIT Libraries: Building a Database-Backed Web Site Called 'Vera' by Nicole Hennig The Elektronische Zeitschriftenbibliothek: A Successful Library Service for Electronic Journals in Germany by Evelinde Hutzler and Gerald Schupfner E is for Everything: The Extra-Ordinary, Evolutionary [e-]Journal Gerry McKiernan Don't forget to visit EJI(sm) for The Eclectic Experience [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI.htm] Seize the E! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Extra-Ordinary Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent It" Alan Kay From battagli at SLS.LIB.IL.US Thu Jul 11 15:14:19 2002 From: battagli at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Eric M. Battaglia) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: WinU thanks Message-ID: <1026414859.3d2dd90b0fa3f@imp.sls.lib.il.us> Thanks to everyone who responded to my WinU query. I'm working out the solutions and seeing if any other problems emerge. Eric Battaglia Technology Manager Adult Services Forest Park Public Library From Jennifer.Merrill at Dartmouth.EDU Thu Jul 11 16:03:36 2002 From: Jennifer.Merrill at Dartmouth.EDU (Jennifer Merrill) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Job Ad: Library Systems Manager, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <70605491@prancer.Dartmouth.EDU> DARTMOUTH COLLEGE LIBRARY HANOVER, NEW HAMPSHIRE Library Systems Manager The Dartmouth College Library seeks an experienced library systems administrator to join the team responsible for the deployment and maintenance of systems that comprise the digital library. Reporting to the head of the Digital Library Technologies Group, the successful candidate will play a key role in ensuring that systems are functional, interoperable, and serve the ongoing goal of the library to support scholarly research. Administers the library's INNOPAC integrated library system as well as software packages that support cross-database searching, Borrow Direct, Document Delivery, Interlibrary Loan, and locally loaded databases. Responsibilities include integrating new systems with existing systems, responding to problems reported by staff, recommending and coordinating system upgrades, working with vendors to solve problems and serving as a technical liaison between the system vendors and the campus computer center Requirements: Bachelors degree or the equivalent in relevant experience. 2-3 years experience in the management of a complex integrated information system, preferably an integrated library system such as INNOPAC. Demonstrated knowledge of Unix operating systems, excellent analytical skills, oral and written communication skills and the ability to manage multiple competing priorities. Ability to troubleshoot problems proactively. Familiarity with scripting languages such as Perl, PHP, and Expect is a plus. Working at Dartmouth means joining an institution with a strong commitment to libraries. An interesting mix of graduate, professional, and undergraduate programs, and a diverse student body make Dartmouth an outstanding place to work. A high quality of life and a thriving regional arts community provide an attractive locale in which to work and live. Rank and salary commensurate with experience and qualifications. Full benefits package including 22 vacation days; comprehensive health care; TIAA/CREF; and relocation assistance. Review of applications will begin on August 19th and will continue until the position is filled. Please submit resume and letter of application to: Search Committee for the Library Systems Manager, Dartmouth College Library, 6025 Baker-Berry Library, Hanover, New Hampshire 03755 or send by email to Mary.Ann.Mousley@Dartmouth.EDU Dartmouth College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. For further information, review our website: www.dartmouth.edu --- Jennifer K. Merrill Head, Digital Library Technologies Group Voice: 603 646-3389 Dartmouth College Fax: 603 646-1043 Hanover, NH 03755 Jennifer.Merrill@dartmouth.edu From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Fri Jul 12 01:17:41 2002 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:46 2005 Subject: Remote customer authentication in public libraries In-Reply-To: <200207101921.MAA26859@webjunction.org> References: <200207101921.MAA26859@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <1026451061.3d2e667581e02@webmail.manhattan.edu> Our library started restricting users to currently valid "in good standing" cardholders recently. The transition has meant a bit more work for us. The circulation system we use cannot automatically update the valid user list, so we manually update it on a weekly basis. The cardholder information is not generated locally and at the very least, we would have a one or two day lag in activating cards, even if we tried to update them on a daily basis. Newly issued cards now have a lag of up to a week or so between the time the card is issued and the time when remote access works for that user. We've already had some users requesting to be added into the remote access system on an urgent basis. I've been trying to think of a reasonable policyk for this. There are only two people who have privilege and the ability to add users, and both are busy people. Adding new users as the requests come in would get quite time consuming if there was significant demand for this. I'm thinking of just trying a policy of saying that our library users have remote access approximately a week after their cards are issued (or a week after they've cleared their record of fines and overdues.) I'm curious what the policy on this is at other libraries. Obviously, it would be best if we could have new users added into the remote access system in real time. We will be changing to an new circulation/catalog system in the next few years, so that may be an option in the future. Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Library stacy.pober@manhattan.edu > From: "S. O'Connor" <soconnr@interlog.com> > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Fwd: Remote customer authentication in public libraries > Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020709215753.01c11490@mail.interlog.com> > > >I am interested in finding out what public libraries are doing with > >regards to remote customer authentication for access to third-party > >commercial databases. > > > >Specifically, are there any libraries out there limiting remote access to > >electronic resources only to library card holders in "good standing" with > >the library? In other words, are patrons denied remote access if, for > >example, their library cards' priviledges have been suspended, have > >outstanding fines or have any other kind of blocks on their records? > > > >So far, I have only talked to libraries whose authentication system weeds > >out remote users simply on the basis of them having a valid card or not. > > > >Thank you very much. > > > >&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From j.leird at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 14 07:33:43 2002 From: j.leird at worldnet.att.net (janis leird) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:49 2005 Subject: help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) Message-ID: <001501c22b2a$503d2340$b1a95a0c@mycomput> Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? From apgagne at frontiernet.net Sun Jul 14 12:19:01 2002 From: apgagne at frontiernet.net (Andro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020714121823.0251ecf0@127.0.0.1> Janis: At 04:34 AM 7/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? "Sneaker-net" is humorous geek-speak referring to the way people share files between two computers when the computers are not connected to each other through a computer network: copying files to a removable storage medium--usually a floppy disk--on the first computer, then removing the removable medium from the first computer, taking it over to a second computer, and inserting it into the second computer, thus making one's footwear the "network" connection between the two computers. I haven't heard "Adidas-net" used before, but it's not too difficult to see that it must be a synonym, since Adidas is a brand name of athletic shoes. Sneaker-net could be an issue in libraries accessible to the public if their computers' diskette drives--or other removable storage media--are not disabled for public use by a security program, as invariably some library users will be exchanging files between a library computer and a computer not owned by the library. Sometimes this is done for reasons we would all consider legitimate, and sometimes it's done for less-than-noble reasons. Either way, sneaker-net use can lead to inadvertent or deliberate viral infection of a library computer (potentially multiple computers, since sneaker-net can be used between library computers, also since most library computers are networked), and it provides an entr?e into a library computer (and potentially a library network) for those who believe they have a better or more entertaining way to use a library computer and/or network than what was envisioned by the library's staff. Ultimately, sneaker-net makes it necessary for libraries which are accessible to the public to consider how they need to balance user convenience (keeping computers' removable media functioning for users) against the library's need to keep its computers functioning properly for all users all of the time. Best regards, Andro Gagn? From ras at anzio.com Sun Jul 14 12:12:52 2002 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] help (addidas-net or sneaker-net) In-Reply-To: <001501c22b2a$503d2340$b1a95a0c@mycomput> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.42.0207140911050.28943-100000@nimbus.anzio.com> On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, janis leird wrote: > Could you tell me what this means? Does this impact on libraries? In the early days of PC networking, these terms were used to refer to the "ancient" method of sharing files: carrying a floppy disk from one PC to another. Here in Oregon, the term "Nike-net" was popular. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From kiehl at hawaii.edu Sun Jul 14 21:57:07 2002 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:49 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- July 2002 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0207141554330.12852-100000@uhunix2> Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- July 2002 The July 2002 edition of Peter's Digital Ready Reference Shelf is now available on the Gale Group website. Peter Jacso is the most recent inductee to the Internet Librarian Hall of Fame (http://www.rlc.dcccd.edu/lrc/fame.htm) and this month he reviews: 1) How Stuff Works - a funky and impressive resource for answering all kinds of smart and silly ready-reference questions, and 2) Subway Navigator - sporting a particularly well designed inteface and providing useful information which compensates for the sometimes spotty coverage of subways in well over 100 cities. These in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. His column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/peter/peter.htm See the Archives for databases previously reviewed: Search Engine Showdown AP Multimedia Archive Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk Oxford Reference Online Merriam-Webster Third International Unabridged Dictionary AskOxford McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technical Terms Britannica Concise Word Reference Desk NBC Olympics Bloomsbury Research Center 50states.com The Top 10 of Everything Xrefer.com PubList Ulrich's International Periodicals Profusion Cultural Profiles Project Columbia World of Quotations Yahoo! Reference Atomica 2.1 DealTime.com Expedia Travelocity CyberAtlas Penguin New English Dictionary ADAM Medical Encyclopedia Comparative Religions on File Adflip Canadian Encyclopedia Online Awesome Library Librarian's Index to the Internet TechEncyclopedia Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary Artcylopedia Sports Rules on File Nolo Law Dictionary Nolo Legal Encyclopedia CIA World Factbook 2000 GuruNet reference suite InteliHealth version of the Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary Columbia Dictionary of Quotations Nobel Prize List Zagat Survey Encyclopaedia of the Orient Bowker's Complete Video Directory Simpson's Contemporary Quotations Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online. New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com Grolier Multimedia Online Encyclopedia version 2 Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technology InfoNation Encarta Interactive World Atlas 2000 This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 18 15:55:39 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS or JavaScript References: <E8F1C174E71ED51185A500508B93663801DF6FCF@MAIL> Message-ID: <3D371D3B.1C6F80E3@students.uiuc.edu> ITworld.com has one solution at: http://www.itworld.com/nl/html_tutor/06112002/ ... takes a bit to load. Joyce Connie Hudson wrote: > > I would like to create a rollover effect on a menu item that creates a drop > down menu with hyperlinks. > > Example: When the mouse is positioned over the Children's button, I would > like a drop down menu of links to Summer Reading Club, Storytime, Reading > Lists, etc. > > I have a book on Javascript that references the effect but talks about using > CSS. Do I need to get a book on CSS to get the instructions for what I want > to do? > > Any pointers will be very appreciated. > > Thanks > > Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator > chudson@flower-mound.com > Flower Mound Public Library > 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 > 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 18 16:14:11 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:58 2005 Subject: Students References: <3D4EFA4B@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3D372193.C370F791@students.uiuc.edu> FYI, troops, one of the assignments for my web class is to sign up for Web4Lib, monitor a significant thread, research the topic off list, and write it up. I am trying to expose students to the kind of collaborative effort we just kind of grew up with professionally. They don't seem to be as inclined to ask for help with anything, almost as though they should know it all already. We, of course, know otherwise. I will be teaching the course again in the fall, so there will be another 25 lurkers out there monitoring what you say. Hopefully more of them will feel confident enough to pose a query to you all. I also did a seminar for a group of South African library directors who are here in C-U for a leadership development program. Web4Lib was at the top of my list for resources that should investigate when they return to their homelands. They are just beginning to work with the concepts of collaborative effort, and are quite thrilled by the idea of access to such expertise for the price of attention. You do good, y'all. Joyce feldner wrote: > > thank you all very much for your help!! > sarah -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From Bill.Walker at ci.stockton.ca.us Thu Jul 18 16:22:18 2002 From: Bill.Walker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bill Walker) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS or JavaScript Message-ID: <sd36c11e.025@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> Macromedia Fireworks 4 and Fireworks MX does this quite easily. I believe Dreamweaver MX and Flash MX can also do it now that all their products are closely integrated. --Bill Walker Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library >>> "Joyce M. Latham" <latham1@students.uiuc.edu> 07/18/02 12:48PM >>> ITworld.com has one solution at: http://www.itworld.com/nl/html_tutor/06112002/ ... takes a bit to load. Joyce Connie Hudson wrote: > > I would like to create a rollover effect on a menu item that creates a drop > down menu with hyperlinks. > > Example: When the mouse is positioned over the Children's button, I would > like a drop down menu of links to Summer Reading Club, Storytime, Reading > Lists, etc. > > I have a book on Javascript that references the effect but talks about using > CSS. Do I need to get a book on CSS to get the instructions for what I want > to do? > > Any pointers will be very appreciated. > > Thanks > > Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator > chudson@flower-mound.com > Flower Mound Public Library > 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 > 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jul 18 16:31:49 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:58 2005 Subject: style switcher Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718162903.024ea748@ohiolink.edu> Thanks to the wonders of checksum comparisons, the sunsite listproc apparently decided this was some old post and declined to post it again. While I do keep grinding the same axes, I at least take the trouble to type them from scratch. > > >... Say out loud, > > "I'm going to set my users' default font size to either 'small' or 'extra > > small' and the most commonly used browser won't let them change it," and > > see how it sounds... > >Thomas, I don't get your drift with the above comment, and I am sure there's >some pearl in it. Can you please restate for those with CSS-induced >headaches? ;) Isn't IE the "most commonly used browser," which does allow >users to change the keyword sizes? You're absolutely right. I was incorrectly remembering another CSS font size issue in IE. At least in my copy of IE6, changing the browser's font size *does* resize text styled with "font-size: [keyword]". It is font sizes in pixels or points that IE does not resize. However, overriding the default font size, even if the user can change it back, is still a very bad practice, IMO. It sounds like you have a browser configuration problem, and attempting to solve it through bossy stylesheets isn't the solution. I was not aware of any Netscape version on any platform that really prevented users from configuring their preferred font size. But if that's really the situation you're in, isn't it time to dump such a lousy browser? Thomas ("Ain't Technology Wonderful?") Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From DCollins at rveeh.vic.gov.au Thu Jul 18 18:47:19 2002 From: DCollins at rveeh.vic.gov.au (DCollins@rveeh.vic.gov.au) Date: Wed May 18 15:03:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS or JavaScript Message-ID: <OF4F83AAB6.5E541010-ONCA256BFA.007D26AC@rveeh.vic.gov.au> I wouldn't know whether CSS or Javascript is better to use. We use a free script here at RVEEH for our drop down menu. See it working at: www.rveeh.vic.gov.au We got it from: http://www.dynamicdrive.com or the exact address is: http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/hvmenu/index.htm I really like it, it's easy to configure and fiddle with and I think it looks good. There are full instructions. All the code is in 2 separate files so it doesn't clog up your pages. It's also free to use on private or commercial sites. Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Cheers Dominique Collins The Ronald Lowe Library The Royal Victorian Eye & Ear Hospital Locked Bag 8 East Melbourne VIC 8002 AUSTRALIA Email: DCollins@rveeh.vic.gov.au Connie Hudson <CHUDSON@flower-mo To: Multiple recipients of list und.com> <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent by: cc: web4lib@sunsite.be Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS or JavaScript rkeley.edu 18/07/2002 03:59 Please respond to CHUDSON I would like to create a rollover effect on a menu item that creates a drop down menu with hyperlinks. Example: When the mouse is positioned over the Children's button, I would like a drop down menu of links to Summer Reading Club, Storytime, Reading Lists, etc. I have a book on Javascript that references the effect but talks about using CSS. Do I need to get a book on CSS to get the instructions for what I want to do? Any pointers will be very appreciated. 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Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students In-Reply-To: <001901c23383$6bfb9f60$03ae0b0a@smeagol> References: <001901c23383$6bfb9f60$03ae0b0a@smeagol> Message-ID: <p05111a02b9659b190282@[128.104.60.44]> At 7:34 PM -0700 7/24/02, Darryl Friesen wrote: >> We keep running into problems with Mozilla. After some serious testing, >> trying different things, we are positive that it is a problem with >> Mozilla >> itself and not with our code. The problem seems to specifically be with >> comments <!-- -->. Mozilla is having various issues with the comments >> i.e. it does NOT read comments properly in all instances. > >It's a problem with the code (specifically, the comments), not the browser. >>From the Comments section of the HTML 4 spec: (see >http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html) > > Comments in HTML have a complicated syntax that can be simplified > by following this rule: Begin a comment with "<!--", end it with > "-->", and do not use "--" within the comment. > >The code from the url you gave has "--" _within_ the comment itself; a >definite no-no. Is Mozilla a bit too picky? Perhaps, but that's a Good >Thing. Forcing compliance with the standard can only make the web better. The unsimplified explanation is that the markup for comments is composed of two parts: a processing instruction <![stuff here]> containing (only) a comment --[stuff here]--. In HTML, one rarely sees processing instructions that aren't just containers for comments, although the DOCTYPE declaration is one (the only?) example. So, a better statement of the rule may be "comments start and end with '--' and must be enclosed within a processing instruction '<!>'." Anything after the second "--" will be taken to be part of a processing instruction which browsers will understandably have a hard time understanding. There are also a number of validation errors on the page in question - overlapping elements, etc. that could be causing some problems and are easily fixable. It looks like the comments have already been fixed, and the page seems to be displaying properly with Mozilla (Mac). -- _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman Senior Technology Librarian University of Wisconsin-Madison Library Technology Group pgorman@library.wisc.edu (608) 265-5291 "We consider that any man who can fiddle all through one of those Virginia Reels without losing his grip, may be depended upon in any kind of musical emergency." -- Mark Twain. From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jul 25 09:13:43 2002 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students In-Reply-To: <p05111a02b9659b190282@[128.104.60.44]> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207250907020.14626-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> A good idea is to run pages through HTML Tidy <http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/>. It would have caught (and fixed) the problem with the comments and other problems of the sort Peter mentioned. (The free HTML editor HTML-kit <http://www.chami.com/html-kit/> has Tidy built in and I find it very handy.) Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Peter C. Gorman wrote: > At 7:34 PM -0700 7/24/02, Darryl Friesen wrote: > >> We keep running into problems with Mozilla. After some serious testing, > >> trying different things, we are positive that it is a problem with > >> Mozilla > >> itself and not with our code. The problem seems to specifically be with > >> comments <!-- -->. Mozilla is having various issues with the comments > >> i.e. it does NOT read comments properly in all instances. > > > >It's a problem with the code (specifically, the comments), not the browser. > >>From the Comments section of the HTML 4 spec: (see > >http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html) > > > > Comments in HTML have a complicated syntax that can be simplified > > by following this rule: Begin a comment with "<!--", end it with > > "-->", and do not use "--" within the comment. > > > >The code from the url you gave has "--" _within_ the comment itself; a > >definite no-no. Is Mozilla a bit too picky? Perhaps, but that's a Good > >Thing. Forcing compliance with the standard can only make the web better. > > The unsimplified explanation is that the markup for comments is > composed of two parts: a processing instruction <![stuff here]> > containing (only) a comment --[stuff here]--. In HTML, one rarely > sees processing instructions that aren't just containers for > comments, although the DOCTYPE declaration is one (the only?) > example. So, a better statement of the rule may be "comments start > and end with '--' and must be enclosed within a processing > instruction '<!>'." Anything after the second "--" will be taken to > be part of a processing instruction which browsers will > understandably have a hard time understanding. > > There are also a number of validation errors on the page in question > - overlapping elements, etc. that could be causing some problems and > are easily fixable. It looks like the comments have already been > fixed, and the page seems to be displaying properly with Mozilla > (Mac). > > -- > _______________________________ > Peter C. Gorman > Senior Technology Librarian > University of Wisconsin-Madison > Library Technology Group > pgorman@library.wisc.edu > (608) 265-5291 > > "We consider that any man who can fiddle all through one of those > Virginia Reels without losing his grip, may be depended upon in any > kind of musical emergency." -- Mark Twain. > From CHHammer at olivet.edu Thu Jul 25 10:48:06 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: ColdFusion in libraries Message-ID: <sd3fc958.007@webaccess.olivet.edu> Has the Cold Fusion in Libraries Listserv changed addresses? I'm getting a 404 on the address below. And I did get rid of that comma and parentheses. I also clicked from Jim Robertson's Cold Fusion bookmarks at http://www.library.njit.edu/staff-folders/robertson/urls/subjects.cfm?subject=ColdFusion Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University Bourbonnais, IL 60914 New Summer Home of the Chicago Bears (They're arriving today) >>> "Karen Harker" <Karen.Harker@UTSouthwestern.edu> 07/31/01 03:06PM >>> Ben Westra has created Cold Fusion in Libraries Listserv (http://faculty.washington.edu/bwestra/cflist.html), complete with examples (http://faculty.washington.edu/bwestra/examples.html). Our flagship product, the Ejournals list, is up there, along with details. Other products we've developed include a multitude of "Toolboxes", a directory of books & chapters by faculty, a historical database of physicians in Texas from around the 1900's, an class registration system, and our most complex product, My Library. Products we are developing include a dynamic "What's New" that archives short "stories" from our newsletter, a dynamic Biomedical News page that gets newsfeeds from Moreover.com (we're waiting for final permission), and a more elaborate "Search" function. Good luck. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> Dan Lester <dan@riverofdata.com> 7/31/01 2:45:37 PM >>> I'm going to be speaking at a conference next month about ColdFusion applications in libraries. I have some to show, both in and out of libraries, but would be interested in hearing of what some of you have done WITH COLDFUSION. (Yes, I know about PHP, ASP, Perl, etc., but am only interested in EXAMPLES of working library apps using CF. I also don't want to get into any religious warfare on the list. Been there, done that.) I'm particularly interested in hearing from any of you who have been more or less self taught in CF, and even more so if you're not from a programming background. If you'll send me any info and URLs it will be appreciated. Feel free to send off list. Any that I use will be used in my talk and linked from a webpage that I'll send the URL of to the list later. Thanks dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Thu Jul 25 12:53:06 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: IE6 and Group Policies Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F4660167AB26@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> We've been using a custom branding of IE6 created in IEAK to lock out or remove certain options from the main toolbar. (locking out --------- File-Open, Tools Internet Options -- ANY option related to Outlook or Outlook Express eliminating - Favorites, Media, Mail etc) We are moving to a W2K server (from NT4) and I am getting lazy in my old age. Is there a way to accomplish this using JUST Group Policy or some other server-based feature so I dont have to go to each station? ALSO I know how to use NoDrives to 'hide' drives -- but this doesn't keep users from seeing them by typing their letter. Is there a way to make folders and drives both INVISIBLE and INACCESSIBLE AND to modify the "SaveAs" dialogue box so that none of the left side icons appear (History, My Documents, Desktop, Favorites. I know this has been asked and discussed ad nauseum -- but I can't seem to find anything in the archives that addresses it directly. And yes -- I know about Personal Web Browser -- and may be using it in the lab -- but in the reference area - I'm locked into IE. Thanks Paul H. Gray Library Manager - LAN & CLC TCC Northeast Campus 817-515-6623 From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 25 13:37:20 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students References: <p05111a02b9659b190282@[128.104.60.44]> Message-ID: <3D403750.BC2373D5@students.uiuc.edu> Great ... we have a solution for the Mozilla issue -- why would it blow up altogether in Netscape? Same issue, you think? Joyce "Peter C. Gorman" wrote: > > At 7:34 PM -0700 7/24/02, Darryl Friesen wrote: > >> We keep running into problems with Mozilla. After some serious testing, > >> trying different things, we are positive that it is a problem with > >> Mozilla > >> itself and not with our code. The problem seems to specifically be with > >> comments <!-- -->. Mozilla is having various issues with the comments > >> i.e. it does NOT read comments properly in all instances. > > > >It's a problem with the code (specifically, the comments), not the browser. > >>From the Comments section of the HTML 4 spec: (see > >http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html) > > > > Comments in HTML have a complicated syntax that can be simplified > > by following this rule: Begin a comment with "<!--", end it with > > "-->", and do not use "--" within the comment. > > > >The code from the url you gave has "--" _within_ the comment itself; a > >definite no-no. Is Mozilla a bit too picky? Perhaps, but that's a Good > >Thing. Forcing compliance with the standard can only make the web better. > > The unsimplified explanation is that the markup for comments is > composed of two parts: a processing instruction <![stuff here]> > containing (only) a comment --[stuff here]--. In HTML, one rarely > sees processing instructions that aren't just containers for > comments, although the DOCTYPE declaration is one (the only?) > example. So, a better statement of the rule may be "comments start > and end with '--' and must be enclosed within a processing > instruction '<!>'." Anything after the second "--" will be taken to > be part of a processing instruction which browsers will > understandably have a hard time understanding. > > There are also a number of validation errors on the page in question > - overlapping elements, etc. that could be causing some problems and > are easily fixable. It looks like the comments have already been > fixed, and the page seems to be displaying properly with Mozilla > (Mac). > > -- > _______________________________ > Peter C. Gorman > Senior Technology Librarian > University of Wisconsin-Madison > Library Technology Group > pgorman@library.wisc.edu > (608) 265-5291 > > "We consider that any man who can fiddle all through one of those > Virginia Reels without losing his grip, may be depended upon in any > kind of musical emergency." -- Mark Twain. -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From ssloan at bocalibrary.org Thu Jul 25 14:12:54 2002 From: ssloan at bocalibrary.org (Susan Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: PWB, SetBrowser, and IE Message-ID: <3D403FA6.C0D281B5@bocalibrary.org> We are using Public Web Browser and IE 5.5 SP2 on Windows 2000 machines. However, we've been seeing that patrons can get out of PWB and into straight IE. We now use the SetBrowser utility, but patrons still get around that. Someone from another listserv recommended removing or renaming the iexplore.exe file (works in Win 9.x), but in W2k the file simply reappears/replicates itself no matter what I do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Susan Sloan Boca Raton Public Library From carver.50 at osu.edu Thu Jul 25 14:24:01 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: Call Number/Letter Regular Expressions? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725142108.012cda90@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> I'm wondering if anyone out there has written any regular expressions to identify call numbers from a string of letters/numbers. I am looking for a set of regular expressions that can identify LC, DDC, ISSN, and the more common sets of numbers used in catalogging. e.g. A user enters TK 421 into a search box, the regular expression figures out that is an LC number. A user enters 8675-3099 into a search, and the regular expression figures out that is an ISSN ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Jul 25 15:25:37 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students References: <3D403750.BC2373D5@students.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <001e01c23411$0e495310$03ae0b0a@smeagol> > Great ... we have a solution for the Mozilla issue -- why would it > blow up altogether in Netscape? Same issue, you think? Yep. Netscape 7 is really just old Mozilla code with AOL's "stuff" added on (I was gonna say crap, but I know some of you are very Netscape sensitive :) So if something doesn't work in one, it likely won't work in the other either. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Thu Jul 25 15:36:55 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: Partioning Drives Message-ID: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAF70@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> Over the years I have wavered between partioning the workstation hard drives and and leaving them as a single C: I lean toward leaving everything as C: mainly because most programs' installation programs list C: as the default location and some really don't seem to like to run from anywhere else. I understand, though, that keeping the operating system on a seperate partition from installed apps and other data is supposed to improve security and performance. Does anyone have good reasons pro or con on partitioning? I'm running W2K on stations with hard drives ranging from 8 - 20 gig. Thanks Paul H. Gray Library Manager - LAN & CLC TCC Northeast Campus Hurst, TX 817-515-6623 From andy at petdance.com Thu Jul 25 16:01:08 2002 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: Fwd: [WEB4LIB] Call Number/Letter Regular Expressions? In-Reply-To: <5476036464.20020725130900@riverofdata.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725142108.012cda90@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> <5476036464.20020725130900@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <20020725200108.GB4520@petdance.com> > e.g. A user enters TK 421 into a search box, the regular expression figures > out that is an LC number. > A user enters 8675-3099 into a search, and the regular expression > figures out that is an ISSN (Aside to Blake: "Jenny, why aren't you at your post?") You don't say what language you're using, but I'll assume Perl since you're talking about regexes. You're not really looking for regexes specifcally. What you want is to know if a given string is one "type" of search term or another. Regexes are probably not what you're looking for. They're just a tool. Besides, a regex is really a boolean expression in this case. "Is this an ISBN? Is this an LC number?" ISSN is mighty easy: /^\d{4}-?\d{4}$/, but that's about the only gimme you're gonna get. What you may want to do is look at some of the modules to handle these. Business::ISBN, for example, will return an error if you try to pass a non-ISBN to its constructor, so that's a test of a sort. Or, you can steal code from them. What we do in Business::ISBN is strip the dashes and then match against /^\d{9}[0-9X]$/. I hope this helps. If you're indeed working in Perl, sign up for perl4lib. xoxo, Andy -- 'Andy Lester andy@petdance.com Programmer/author petdance.com Daddy parsley.org/quinn Jk'=~/.+/s;print((split//,$&) [unpack'C*',"n2]3%+>\"34.'%&.'^%4+!o.'"]) From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Jul 25 17:41:15 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students In-Reply-To: <001e01c23411$0e495310$03ae0b0a@smeagol> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725173224.0469abe0@mail.rpi.edu> At 02:15 PM 7/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > Great ... we have a solution for the Mozilla issue -- why would it > > blow up altogether in Netscape? Same issue, you think? > >Yep. Netscape 7 is really just old Mozilla code with AOL's "stuff" added >on ... > >So if something doesn't work in one, it likely won't work in the other >either. Not necessarily. Mozilla will perform XSL transformations. Netscape won't. (Old Mozilla code?) It is the Gecko rendering engine they share, that thing which performs the HTML/CSS transformations, as it were. Each browser includes its own slew of other features ... which they may or may not share. They are very different browsers, but the way in which they render HTML documents should be very similar. Why? Because they share Gecko, and Gecko (intends to) work according to W3C recommendations. -kb _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute RPInfo: http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo/ Kiosk: http://j2ee.rpi.edu:8080/kiosk/setup.do From kyle.banerjee at state.or.us Thu Jul 25 19:51:49 2002 From: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us (Kyle Banerjee) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Call Number/Letter Regular Expressions? References: <20020725200108.GB4520@petdance.com> Message-ID: <042701c23436$3e146ec0$207a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> > I'm wondering if anyone out there has written any regular expressions to > identify call numbers from a string of letters/numbers. I am looking for a > set of regular expressions that can identify LC, DDC, ISSN, and the more > common sets of numbers used in catalogging. Shouldn't be too hard. It is possible to generate more accurate regular expressions than the ones below, but these are quick 'n easy. First of all, strip hyphens out of the input and normalize everything to upper case to simplify matching. Note the carets at the beginning of the line. They are important. To detect: LC call number: "^[A-Z]{1,3}[1-9]" (1-3 letters followed by a number between 1 and 9 followed by anything) SUDOC: ":" (a colon anywhere in the line -- if you use this as a match method, you must evaluate for sudoc after LC. Otherwise, many sudocs will incorrectly be detected as LC) DDC: "^[0-9]{3}\.?[0-9]*$" (3 digits followed by a dot and followed either by a dot and more digits or an end of line) ISSN: "^[0-9]{8}$" (8 digits) ISBN: "^[0-9]{9}[0-9X]$" (9 digits followed by another digit or X) The expressions you use may depend on which call number schemes you're trying to match. For example, if sudoc isn't the only scheme that contains a colon, you'll need to use some more robust expressions. Unless you like looking at screwy code, it's a good idea to simplify the input to meet your needs. For example, strip Cutter values, local stamps, dates, etc. before evaluating. Since the Cutter is separated from the call number by a space, this is pretty easy. Note that different languages will give you slightly different capabilities with regards to regular expressions. I'd recommend just surfing the web for a quick tutorial on the subject and playing around. kyle *********************************************** Kyle Banerjee Oregon State Library 250 Winter ST Salem, OR 97310-0640 (503)378-4243 ext. 260 kyle.banerjee@state.or.us From rsk at magpage.com Fri Jul 26 08:20:51 2002 From: rsk at magpage.com (Rich Kulawiec) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207250907020.14626-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0207250907020.14626-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20020726122051.GB15897@gsp.org> On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 06:13:55AM -0700, Chris Gray wrote: > A good idea is to run pages through HTML Tidy > <http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/>. It would have caught (and > fixed) the problem with the comments and other problems of the sort Peter > mentioned. Seconded -- with a note that development of HTML Tidy is now taking place at the SourceForge community site; the latest version (with a bunch of new features) can be found via http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ if you're so inclined. ----Rsk From dbell at loc.gov Fri Jul 26 08:38:41 2002 From: dbell at loc.gov (danna c. bell-russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:12 2005 Subject: QuestionPoint Presentation at IFLA Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020726083058.00a8b720@sun8> Good morning, This is being sent out to a number of lists. Please accept our apologies for duplicate postings. Attention IFLA Attendees: "Breakfast with QuestionPoint" Join members of the QuestionPoint team from the Library of Congress for breakfast at the Glasgow Moat House hotel, Barra/Jura Suites on Tuesday, August 20 at 8:00 am to learn more about the service. There will be a brief demonstration and an open discussion about future initiatives. Please RSVP to westalls@oclc.org If you want to learn more about Question visit the QuestionPoint website at <http://www.questionpoint.org/index.html>. From drobinson at hwwilson.com Fri Jul 26 08:46:17 2002 From: drobinson at hwwilson.com (Dan Robinson) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Mozilla/Netscape 7.0 -- Students Message-ID: <0DBB337BAB6ABA4F8F7772585216794F35DAC7@HWWEXCH.hwwilson.com> Darryl, as long as you separate aol from netscape, you can say anything you want about aol <grin> Dan Robinson drobinson@hwwilson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Friesen [mailto:Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM > > > > > Great ... we have a solution for the Mozilla issue -- why would it > > blow up altogether in Netscape? Same issue, you think? > > Yep. Netscape 7 is really just old Mozilla code with AOL's > "stuff" added on > (I was gonna say crap, but I know some of you are very > Netscape sensitive > :) From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Fri Jul 26 09:18:26 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Partioning Drives In-Reply-To: <D5FD207795C58B4B807F4FE06EB2F466BCAF70@netc020.ALL.DISTTCCD.NET> Message-ID: <019101c234a6$ed8bc1d0$68601681@digilib> Here are my thoughts on this. For Windoze systems I like a 3 partition design. 1) the system partition that will contain the OS and any programs that truly have to be on that drive because the developer had their head up their ... , and other tools that interface directly with the OS such as Norton AntiVirus. I also put the programs I load/unload most often there. This is the fastest, most quickly accessed part of the drive and I want things I use most to load as quickly as possible. 2) Because I sometimes work with some extremely large files I create a 1 to 2 GB partition that holds my Windows swap file. I also point the system environment variables for TEMP and TMP to a folder on that partition as well as my own TMP a/o TEMP files. I hate waiting for disk writes when I'm working with Photoshop so I force the temp files to go to the next fastest part of the drive. 3) Finally, the remainder of the drive is dedicated to user data storage. Bonus features: * Security - your data is not contiguous with the stuff that accesses it so it's more difficult for intruders to find. * Safety - If your system partition is damaged and you have to reformat and reinstall you still have all of your working data. * Flexibility - If you find a need to migrate from whatever to Linux you can rededicate that swap partition to be a Linux installation on a dual boot system. Just make sure the Linux boot partition starts before cylinder 1024 - Not normally a problem on most of the newer drives. If drive access speed is slowing you down you may want to consider a multi-disk RAID 5 configuration. Even with software RAID5 implementations the access time for 4 10GB drives is significantly less than the access time for a single 40GB drive in terms of waiting for your file to read or write. Hardware RAID implementations improve the situation even more. Additionally, in most cases using RAID 5 if one of your drives fails you can pull it out and pop in a new one without losing data. The data is striped across all drives with a certain amount of redundancy so the replaced drive can be reconstructed. D. Keith Higgs <mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu> Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library Additional Information at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/ "Follow the white rabbit." -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of GRAY, PAUL Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 05:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Partioning Drives Over the years I have wavered between partioning the workstation hard drives and and leaving them as a single C: I lean toward leaving everything as C: mainly because most programs' installation programs list C: as the default location and some really don't seem to like to run from anywhere else. I understand, though, that keeping the operating system on a seperate partition from installed apps and other data is supposed to improve security and performance. Does anyone have good reasons pro or con on partitioning? I'm running W2K on stations with hard drives ranging from 8 - 20 gig. Thanks Paul H. Gray Library Manager - LAN & CLC TCC Northeast Campus Hurst, TX 817-515-6623 From tiessen at ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 26 16:33:56 2002 From: tiessen at ucalgary.ca (Robert Tiessen) Date: Wed May 18 15:04:12 2005 Subject: authentication for external users Message-ID: <3D41B234.51A110BC@ucalgary.ca> Currently, none of the computers in our Information Commons require authentication to use. In addition to our students, faculty and staff, a number of external users use our facility. Most of our licenced databases have clauses allowing external users access when they are on campus. The few licenced databases that don't allow external users access are authenticated for both on and off campus use. Because of security concerns, we are moving towards authenticating use of our computers in the Information Commons. We particularly want to discourage anonymous emails. We would still like to allow external users to have access to our computers, especially to have access to our catalogue and licenced databases. How have other libraries handled this? I am aware of some institutions, where a handful of computers are set aside with no authentication for anyone to use, but this wouldn't close the security hole for those computers. Ideally, we would like some system for issuing temporary passwords that would allow external users to use our on campus computers for a few hours or a day. Has anyone come up with a system like this? -- Rob Tiessen Head, Access Services University of Calgary Library tiessen@ucalgary.ca 403-220-6043