From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Jan 3 10:34:19 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: More on Google going commercial References: <20020102195331.A474@magma.ca> Message-ID: <3C3479FA.B2C17581@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Raymond Wood wrote: > I use the latest Mozilla browser (version 0.9.7) to do exactly > this for my favourite web sites all the time. Simply > right-click, and choose 'Block images from this server'. The > next time you reload the same web site - poof - no more ads. > There are other ways too. If you dislike ads, you'll like this > feature of Mozilla -- it's a breath of fresh air. I also still > use a text-only web browser often for just this reason -- > distracting ads that detract from relaxed web surfing are simply > annoying. That is a nifty feature and I have great respect for Mozilla, but it doesn't solve the problem. Remember, for the most part, Google uses text only ads. So you're still going to have to look past advertisement to get your information. I personally use Opera most of the time and it has a one keystroke command to stop loading graphics for a webpage. However, I think surfing the web without images is like drinking decaffeinated coffee with non-dairy creamer and artificial sweetener... What's the point? It's like cutting all the pictures out of the National Geographic. :) > I could never tolerate any mailer that pestered me with ads. I > agree that ads should be ignored, but there are better ways than > just grinning and bearing it IMHO :) Nahh, it's just good ol' reliable Netscape Communicator v4.76. I use Netscape only at work because, as far as I can tell, Opera doesn't support the IMAP system we use here and runs strictly POP. For those who don't use Communicator, specifically the mail part known as Messenger, when you log in and open your Inbox you get a quickie news blurb in the message window along with some ads. I've gotten so accustomed to just clicking on the first message, which wipes out the news and ads, that I've had to reload the programme because the story looked interesting. As much as I hate ads on the Internet, well not just on the Internet but anywhere else for that matter, it makes it easy to just ignore them. The only ads that I can't ignore are the ones which interrupt the football games on TV! :) Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Jan 3 10:50:23 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial References: <1632356598.20020102215724@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3C347DBF.21CBF15E@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Dan Lester wrote: > This is what I've referred to a number of times as > > The Cocaine Theory Of Marketing > > It has worked in many arenas for centuries, and will undoubtedly > continue to work as well in future centuries. > > We can rant and rave all we want, but it won't go away in this > lifetime, but one can always have hopes for the next one. A few nights ago I was looking over a book published by the clown princes of advertisement parody, MAD Magazine. The book, titled MADvertising, was published in the 1960s I think and it covers a sarcastic look at the principles of advertising. It takes on everything from the age old principle that bigger is better to more advanced concepts like creative wording to imply nasty things about competitors. For example, "no one has ever died from drinking our orange juice" or "And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank)." The point is that centuries old advertising concepts work just as well on the Internet. Sure Google is taking part in advertisement schemes, and why not? Within the electronic ether and in the minds of the users there floats the corpses of thousands of dead dot coms who were too good to advertise to survive, and thousands more that died even if they did advertise aggressively (remember pets.com?). I don't know about you folks, but I want Google to stay around. And I hope that the folks at Google realize that the main reason people come to their search engine is because of their relevancy and search technologies. The ads should help to further that technology. But if Google were to compromise that tech and start selling placement on the list, then their technology has become useless and forever open to suspicion. Just my thoughts, Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 3 10:49:07 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Ads in Messenger In-Reply-To: <3C3479FA.B2C17581@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: The ads that appear in Messenger are simply a web page from Netscape. You can disable that page load or change the location by adding the following prefs to your prefs.js file: mailnews.start_page.enabled mailnews.start_page.url More details available here: http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/communicator/preferences/newprefm.html#mailnews_start_page_enabled There might even be a setting under Edit- Preferences but I don't have 4.7x handy at the moment. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Daniel Messer wrote: > > > Raymond Wood wrote: > > > I use the latest Mozilla browser (version 0.9.7) to do exactly > > this for my favourite web sites all the time. Simply > > right-click, and choose 'Block images from this server'. The > > next time you reload the same web site - poof - no more ads. > > There are other ways too. If you dislike ads, you'll like this > > feature of Mozilla -- it's a breath of fresh air. I also still > > use a text-only web browser often for just this reason -- > > distracting ads that detract from relaxed web surfing are simply > > annoying. > > That is a nifty feature and I have great respect for Mozilla, but it > doesn't solve the problem. Remember, for the most part, Google uses text > only ads. So you're still going to have to look past advertisement to > get your information. I personally use Opera most of the time and it has > a one keystroke command to stop loading graphics for a webpage. However, > I think surfing the web without images is like drinking decaffeinated > coffee with non-dairy creamer and artificial sweetener... What's the > point? It's like cutting all the pictures out of the National > Geographic. :) > > > I could never tolerate any mailer that pestered me with ads. I > > agree that ads should be ignored, but there are better ways than > > just grinning and bearing it IMHO :) > > Nahh, it's just good ol' reliable Netscape Communicator v4.76. I use > Netscape only at work because, as far as I can tell, Opera doesn't > support the IMAP system we use here and runs strictly POP. For those who > don't use Communicator, specifically the mail part known as Messenger, > when you log in and open your Inbox you get a quickie news blurb in the > message window along with some ads. I've gotten so accustomed to just > clicking on the first message, which wipes out the news and ads, that > I've had to reload the programme because the story looked interesting. > As much as I hate ads on the Internet, well not just on the Internet > but anywhere else for that matter, it makes it easy to just ignore them. > The only ads that I can't ignore are the ones which interrupt the > football games on TV! :) > > Dan > > -- > Mondai wa > The subject in question... > ------- > Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor > Yakima Valley Regional Library > 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 > (509) 452-8541 x712 > dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us > ------- > When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. > -Hunter S. Thompson > > From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Thu Jan 3 11:22:16 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: Well, yes, but: Daniel sez: A few nights ago I was looking over a book published by the clown princes of advertisement parody, MAD Magazine. The book, titled MADvertising, was published in the 1960s I think and it covers a sarcastic look at the principles of advertising. It takes on everything from the age old principle that bigger is better to more advanced concepts like creative wording to imply nasty things about competitors. For example, "no one has ever died from drinking our orange juice" or "And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank)." The point is that centuries old advertising concepts work just as well on the Internet. The point is that many or most competitors to Google *do* sell placement within their results. If people were falling over dead from Tropicana and Minute Maid, I think Florida's Own would be well-advised to use "no one has ever died from drinking our orange juice" as a campaign! Cheers, walt crawford From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Jan 3 11:19:39 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Ads in Messenger References: Message-ID: <3C34849B.BA45D9CA@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Thanks, all for the tips! :) There's no worries though, usually I'll check out the news story if it interests me. And with all the crap going down hard in Afghanistan, there's a lot that interests me right now. Besides, the nicest thing about that is that the news story tends to be the biggest thing and the ads are just tiny blurbs. Now there's a strategy for some site to follow. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From CHHammer at olivet.edu Thu Jan 3 13:20:17 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: I agree. It looks like Google has found a tightrope to walk that keeps even the academics happy - for now. But it would be such a little and invisible thing to start taking intermediate steps towards paid placement - say, to leave off only some of the highlighting and sponsored link designations and to create a new category of ranked links, costs varying by placement in the 5th through 10th links or so on the first page where they would get less scrutiny and still be guaranteed first page access. I'm sure the temptations are great. While Google went profitable mid-2001 slightly before ex-Novell-CEO Eric Schmidt was hired on as Google CEO, they apparently are still denying IPO plans. There's nothing like investor pressure to help you lower your standards. ...I don't know about you folks, but I want Google to stay around. And I hope that the folks at Google realize that the main reason people come to their search engine is because of their relevancy and search technologies. The ads should help to further that technology. But if Google were to compromise that tech and start selling placement on the list, then their technology has become useless and forever open to suspicion. Just my thoughts, Dan Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Thu Jan 3 14:05:55 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Indexing of E-Journal Components Message-ID: _Indexing of E-Journal Components_ For a future presentation (and associated article), I am greatly interested in learning about Any and All *automated* technologies used for Indexing e-Journal Components. By indexing, I mean the identification and categorization of an e-journal segment or component (e.g., Title, Author, Graph, etc.). I am particularly interested in technologies that are currently used or could be applied to identify components of Eclectic Journals such as those listed in EJI(sm), my registry devoted to 'Innovative E-Journal Features, Functionalities, and Content' [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/EJI.htm ] and M-Bed(sm), my registry devoted to "Embedded Multimedia Electronic Journals" [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/M-Bed.htm] I am especially interested in the automated indexing of such 'eclectic' components as audio, video, and other 'embedded' components. *e-Journals that employ automated indexing would be of GREATEST interest!* [I realize that e-journals marked up in XML could more easily be indexed than non -XML e-journals] This query is part of a broader investigation of efforts that could facilitate the navigation of the components of an e-journals as well as the cataloging of such e-journals [Presentation standards for journals do exist (e.g., ISO 8: 1977), but studies have shown that there is *generally* low compliance in print journals. To my knowledge, a review has not been conducted yet on the compliance of *e-journals* to national or international presentation standards [I hope to conduct one in my spare time [HA!] this Spring] ] As Always Any and All contributions, candidates, comments, critiques, queries, Cosmic Insights, New Year Resolutions, Etc. Are Welcome! Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Embedded Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent It!" Alan Kay From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 3 14:31:00 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Links to Afghanistan Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.edu> Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and background information on Afghanistan. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Jan 3 14:42:59 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links to Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <176587978338.20020103124259@riverofdata.com> Thursday, January 03, 2002, 12:32:24 PM, you wrote: DB> Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current DB> events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and DB> background information on Afghanistan. I'm sure there are others, but I'd start with a search at lii.org. It gave 27 sites in response to my search, and didn't see a bad one in there. Has links for kids, and ones on about any angle related to the country that you could think of. Now Karen and crew won't have to blow their own horn. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From razl00 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 14:41:15 2002 From: razl00 at yahoo.com (stephanie spearman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Afghanistan news Message-ID: <20020103194115.59429.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know how balanced this is but it's pretty good. I use it as a current events link on our website: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/afghanistan/index.html Stephanie Spearman Electronic Services Librarian Northwest Ga Regional Library System Dalton, GA ===== In doing good for animals you're helping to build a world that's rooted in love and kindness rather than hatred & fear. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Thu Jan 3 14:45:19 2002 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Anonymous E-Mail for Patrons References: <3C339147.93B3826D@timberland.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <002901c1948f$2d1c7b40$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> > Do any other public libraries let patrons send anonymous e-mail? I am > not talking about patrons setting up accounts on Hotmail or Yahoo -- I > am referring to letting them use a group e-mail account on the library > e-mail system which they can use to send, but not receive, e-mail. > Wow, this sounds like a really, really, BAD idea... particularly in light of the USA Patriot Act (H.R.3162). You have an obligation to practice "due diligence" to prevent things like terrorism, threats, hacking, etc. from occuring. As many are interpreting the USA Patriot Act, a 3rd party (such as a public library) can be held liable if they don't do enough to prevent such things from happening. Allowing free and open access to anonymous electronic e-mail is just asking for trouble, in my opinion. Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From carver.50 at osu.edu Thu Jan 3 17:53:15 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links to Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103145033.00b67650@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> http://www.foxnews.com "Fair and Balanced" is their motto, right? ...seriously though, I like Yahoo Full Coverage: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/World/Afghanistan/ They just seems to harvest links from all over rather than reporting anything. I think the "Full Coverage" area for anything can't be beat. -Blake >Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current >events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and >background information on Afghanistan. ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From hitchhiker at oneparadigm.com Thu Jan 3 14:44:34 2002 From: hitchhiker at oneparadigm.com (hitchhiker) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Links to Afghanistan References: <176587978338.20020103124259@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <003801c1948f$128ab940$b3b5a788@bc.edu> This is a list of Afghan related media and think tank sources: http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/afghanistanwebresources.htm#Afghanistan This is a list of general articles on Afghanistan. Some of the articles are somewhat dated and useful for historical purposes, but others are current http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/generalunderstanding.htm#understandingafghan istan This is a list of post-Taliban articles that focus on the rebuilding efforts and the political situation: http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/rebuilding_afghanistan.htm This is a list of articles on significant developments in the war: http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/newwar.htm Articles on Bin Laden and Al Q http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/understanding_bin_laden.htm Articles on refugees: http://www.terrorismlibrary.com/refugees_internally_displaced_pe.htm You may also wish to keyword search daypop.com, rocketnews.com, and moreover.com for recent news articles on Afghanistan. Yahoo has excellent links at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/World/Afghanistan/ Others: CSIS Afghan war reports http://www.csis.org/features/cord_011227.htm BBC Full Afghanistan Coverage http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/in_depth/world/2001/war_on_terror/ WPost Coverage http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/attacked/ Military.com Afghanistan news http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=AA_index DOD Afghan Campaign News http://www.defendamerica.mil/ Institute for War and Peace Reporting Afghanistan Resources http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?intcrisis_index.html As an aside, there is an interesting article on civilian deaths in Afghanistan not covered by the U.S. media at http://www.media-alliance.org/mediafile/20-5/index.html Though not solely focused on Afghanistan, you will find a lot of interesting news on Afghanistan that doesn't seem to be reported in Western media sources at http://www.debka.com/ You may wish to look through the index of resources at TerrorismLibrary.com Stefan Bauschard Terrorism Library ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Lester To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Links to Afghanistan > Thursday, January 03, 2002, 12:32:24 PM, you wrote: > DB> Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current > DB> events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and > DB> background information on Afghanistan. > > I'm sure there are others, but I'd start with a search at lii.org. It > gave 27 sites in response to my search, and didn't see a bad one in > there. Has links for kids, and ones on about any angle related to the > country that you could think of. > > Now Karen and crew won't have to blow their own horn. > > dan > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > > From donnare at multcolib.org Thu Jan 3 15:31:09 2002 From: donnare at multcolib.org (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links to Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Multnomah County Library has links to a number of middle eastern newspapers on its site. See www.multcolib.org/ref/headlines.html On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Drew, Bill wrote: > Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current > events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and > background information on Afghanistan. > > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > SUNY Morrisville College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ > Library: http://library.morrisville.edu > Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ > SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed TEL 503.988.5238 Multnomah County Library FAX 503.988.5475 Information System Coordinator 801 SW 10th Avenue Portland, OR 97205 E-mail: donnare@multcolib.org http://www.multcolib.org/ http://www.cascadelink.org/ Have a question? Ask Us! Online From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 3 15:40:29 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Links to Afghanistan Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BAC2@mail1.morrisville.edu> Using the resources mentioned here by others and things I have found elsewhere, I have put together a page called: Afghanistan and the War: Selected Resources: http://library.morrisville.edu/tips/afghanistan.htm I will add selected links to it. I have put it out to our college community as an issue of our e-mail newsletter. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From msauers at bcr.org Thu Jan 3 15:45:05 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Doubt cast over Web standard's ownership (RDF) Message-ID: A Canadian company is claiming that a popular Web technology infringes on a patent it owns. http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z3DE2144 ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From telias at scls.lib.wi.us Thu Jan 3 16:17:28 2002 From: telias at scls.lib.wi.us (Tana Elias) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: listservs for library events, etc. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103151334.00a5e4e0@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> Our library would like to offer the option of receiving library newsletters via email, but can not support this capability in-house. Has anyone used a commercial service such as Community Letters (http://www.communityletters.com) or another service promising not to sell or give away patron email addresses? Were/are you pleased with the service? Tana Elias, Web Librarian Madison Public Library 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 telias@scls.lib.wi.us 608-266-4953 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Jan 3 16:25:11 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Doubt cast over Web standard's ownership (RDF) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5EC45950-0090-11D6-AE79-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> Yeah, well, and I also received a "cease and desist" notice from the company that claimed to hold the trademark after using the term "metadata". Oops, there I go again. Roy On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 12:47 PM, Michael Sauers wrote: > A Canadian company is claiming that a popular Web technology infringes > on a > patent it owns. > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z3DE2144 > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ > WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on > http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > From msauers at bcr.org Thu Jan 3 16:34:52 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Doubt cast over Web standard's ownership (RDF) In-Reply-To: <5EC45950-0090-11D6-AE79-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, well, and I also received a "cease and desist" notice from the > company that claimed to hold the trademark after using the term > "metadata". Oops, there I go again. I'd LOVE to hear the rest of this story... ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Thu Jan 3 16:54:48 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Natural Language Database Advisors for Libraries Message-ID: _Natural Language Database Advisors for Libraries_ In response to my recent post on Database Advisors [ http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0112/0257.html ] I received the response below from the Senior Web Engineer of Ask Jeeves [NOTE: The excerpted text is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an endorsement.; it is reposted with the permission of the author, Paul Hounshell] I believe that the technologies described below offers new for navigating library resources most notably Natural Language input to digital knowledge bases and OPAC. Are My Web Colleagues aware of any applications of AskJeeves (or related) technologies to querying databases, OPAC, e-journals(?), etc. or other digital *library* resources? Articles, papers, reports, and other relevant literature relating to the technologies (and their applications) in a *library* environment are of particular interest. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Natural Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu **************************************** >>> Paul Hounshell 01/02/02 07:41PM >>> I received this email via a friend and I have a [biased] opinion. However, I'm not sure what you're asking for exactly. Ask Jeeves has a few products which go along this route. The first is called simply "Advisor". It's a system that guides users through a question process to determine what they are looking for and recommend the best item for them on that basis. I think of it as a complicated "fuzzy" parametric search. But, since you're affiliated with a library, that probably is not exactly what you are looking for, as the amount of work required could be substantial. There's an example available at: http://advisor.ask.com/advisor/AJ_Advisor_1.asp?cid=6&cat=digital+cameras The other product is JeevesOne. It's their natural language search engine boiled down for searching individual web sites. As I understand it, you run the app and it spiders a site looking for all documents then users can search using normal english phrases, such as "What books are available on the effect of spider venom on infants?" (OK, OK, I'm not good at making questions up, but you get the idea). That's being used by Ford, Nike, Purina, Washington State and a couple other big hitters. The last product is called Answers for Databases. It's essentially that natural language engine, but designed to run specifically on databases instead of web pages. It sounds like that is what you're most interested in. The only clients I know of that product are Office Depot and Nike. Nike's is live at http://nike.ask.com/index.asp where the larger text box near the top is for a question, while a more parametric search can be done below. It can actually take fairly complex requests. [snip] From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Jan 3 17:06:40 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Doubt cast over Web standard's ownership (RDF) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2A2560E4-0096-11D6-AE79-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> Here is enough to chew on for now: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Jack+E.+Myers%22+metadata Which, interestingly enough, apparently turns up a Google ad placement for a competitor to the trademark holder (see http://www.meta-data.com/ if it deigns to respond) hawking it's own metadata solutions. It would appear that they would be a much more lucrative suit target than my meager savings for the kids college education. ;-) Roy On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 01:38 PM, Michael Sauers wrote: > Yeah, well, and I also received a "cease and desist" notice from the >> company that claimed to hold the trademark after using the term >> "metadata". Oops, there I go again. > > I'd LOVE to hear the rest of this story... > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ > WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on > http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > From calumet at mindspring.com Fri Jan 4 09:57:46 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Commercial Search Engines - Yahoo makes fee annual Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020104095721.031fb2b0@pop.mindspring.com> Good Morning, After more than three years, Internet research newsletter ResearchBuzz has moved to a new list host. 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Following are the headlines from last week's newsletter with direct links. * Find Movie Reviews at Rotten Tomatoes http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#findmovie * 1901 Census for England and Wales Published Online http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#findmovie * Chicken of Tomorrow Search Engine http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#thechicken * Reader Request: Microfilm Catalogs http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#readerrequest * Tough Eggs and Gun Molls -- Detective Listings http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#tougheggs * Reader Request/Response: Time and Weather Listings http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#readerresponse * Catsup, Ketchup, Rah Rah Rah -- The CONDIMENT PACKET MUSEUM! http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#rahrahrah * Castell Pridd Museum Of Power http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#pridd From calumet at mindspring.com Fri Jan 4 09:58:32 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Change to ResearchBuzz Subscription Address Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020104095809.031f41b0@pop.mindspring.com> (Resubmitted with proper subject line -- Sorry) Good Morning, After more than three years, Internet research newsletter ResearchBuzz has moved to a new list host. The address to subscribe is now subscribe-researchbuzz@comet.sparklist.com . You may also subscribe by visiting http://www.researchbuzz.com . Following are the headlines from last week's newsletter with direct links. * Find Movie Reviews at Rotten Tomatoes http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#findmovie * 1901 Census for England and Wales Published Online http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#findmovie * Chicken of Tomorrow Search Engine http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#thechicken * Reader Request: Microfilm Catalogs http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#readerrequest * Tough Eggs and Gun Molls -- Detective Listings http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#tougheggs * Reader Request/Response: Time and Weather Listings http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#readerresponse * Catsup, Ketchup, Rah Rah Rah -- The CONDIMENT PACKET MUSEUM! http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#rahrahrah * Castell Pridd Museum Of Power http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/dec27jan0201.html#pridd From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jan 4 11:07:37 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: testing style sheets (css) and proper DTD Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BACB@mail1.morrisville.edu> I have two questions: 1. Is there a website to test my css style sheet against? 2. What is the DTD code that should be in my web pages to take full advantage of CSS? I had it once but lost it. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Jan 4 11:36:49 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights Midwinter issue available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large 2:2 is now available: A special Midwinter 2002 issue (16 pages) * Bibs & Blather/New Year's Resolution * RLG Diginews 5:6 and ARL Bimonthly Report 218: A Good Stuff Cluster * Looking Back at the Future * Ebooks and Etext * Learned Publishing 15:1: A Good Stuff Cluster * Product Watch...six items * The Good Stuff (formerly Press Watch I)...five items * Stereophile: Toys for [Rich] Boys * Cheap Shots and Commentary (formerly Press Watch II)...two items. It's at http://cical.home.att.net as usual. And for those of you who miss "PC Values," you'll find a one-page special with the December and January descriptions. (It's not a stable URL--I'll reuse the location next time I do a "PC Values extra"). Go down past the reminder for the January issue and you'll find the link. See (some of) you in the Big Easy! -walt crawford- From bishopk at rpi.edu Fri Jan 4 11:54:12 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] testing style sheets (css) and proper DTD In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BACB@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104114353.04880f00@mail.rpi.edu> Hey Bill, You can validate your style sheets here: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ The DTD you use will depend on which version (?) of HTML you want your markup to validate against. For example, I use a DTD that declares my markup should conform to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, but your markup may conform more conveniently to HTML 4.01 (strict, transitional, frameset) or even HTML 3 ... Perhaps this would be useful? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html In any case, it is my understanding that the DTD you use has less to do with "taking full advantage of CSS" than it does with ensuring that the browser uses the appropriate CSS rendering engine. (Pardon me if my terminology isn't quite accurate.) Good luck. -kb At 08:11 AM 1/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I have two questions: > >1. Is there a website to test my css style sheet against? >2. What is the DTD code that should be in my web pages to take full >advantage of CSS? I had it once but lost it. > > >Wilfred (Bill) Drew >Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >SUNY Morrisville College Library >E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ >Library: http://library.morrisville.edu >Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ >SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From msauers at bcr.org Fri Jan 4 12:30:31 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: Looking for a UK Net magazine Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have ready access to the January 2002 issue of .Net? If yes, please reply off-list. I'm looking for a review in that issue. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jan 4 12:50:18 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: testing style sheets (css) and proper DTD In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104114353.04880f00@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020104121911.00b053a8@ohiolink.edu> > >1. Is there a website to test my css style sheet against? > >2. What is the DTD code that should be in my web pages to take full > >advantage of CSS? I had it once but lost it. >In any case, it is my understanding that the DTD you use has less to do >with "taking full advantage of CSS" than it does with ensuring that the >browser uses the appropriate CSS rendering engine. (Pardon me if my >terminology isn't quite accurate.) This pretty much sums it up. Both Microsoft and Mozilla are pulled in two directions: on the one hand, they know they have to support the standards; on the other hand they have to continue rendering pages as expected, even when those pages were created around the non-compliant behavior of other browsers. Both IE (5+ on the Mac side, 6+ on Windows) and Mozilla use the dubious technique of "doctype sniffing" to decide which behavior to use. Microsoft documents their sniffer at . Mozilla's information is at . To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft switches CSS behavior only, while Mozilla switches some HTML behavior. For both browsers, the DOCTYPE you specify may be less important than the exact way you do it. For the purposes of validating HTML, you can specify HTML 4.01 Transitional with or without the DTD's URL in the DOCTYPE. For IE6, though, you get standards mode if you include the URL, and bugs mode if you leave it out. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From morganm at gvsu.edu Fri Jan 4 16:15:05 2002 From: morganm at gvsu.edu (Mary Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links to Afghanistan Message-ID: Here are a couple: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/bgn/index.cfm?docid=5380 http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/aftoc.html#af0051 >>> "Drew, Bill" 01/03/2002 >>> Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and background information on Afghanistan. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From lbspodic at ust.hk Mon Jan 7 04:50:46 2002 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: Javascript Question re: Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been trying to find any references to a minor problem encountered with Netscape 6. When using it, links on many sites which previously displayed text in the status window when the mouse was moved over them now display the actual link. Most of the time, I prefer this, but I have tried to use this technique myself to mask the presence of a redirector/hit counter and let the use see the eventual destination. The code I have used is like: which can be seen at http://library.ust.hk/res/beyond/Asia/ All the refencesI have found indicate that this is the correct syntax, with some saying I could change "window.status" to just be "status", not that affects the behaviour. I should also probably use onMouseOut to resent the text, although i do not do this currently. Anyway - it works fine on MSIE5 and NS4.7+ on Mac and Windows, iCab on Mac. Have not tested Opera, Lynx, etc. I would like it to work, if I can use some correct syntax, but don't want to bother if I am just using some sort of temporary kludge. :) Does anyone know if this is my error, a Netscape 6 bug, or something which does not actually meet any standards test? Thanks for any help! -Edward Spodick, Hong Kong lbspodic@ust.hk From ssweet at hartfordpl.lib.ct.us Mon Jan 7 08:51:40 2002 From: ssweet at hartfordpl.lib.ct.us (Stephen Sweet) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: libraries managing city web sites Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107084947.02617330@dewey.hartfordpl.lib.ct.us> Does anyone know of any public libraries that host/develop/manage their city's web site? Stephen Sweet Systems Analyst & Webmaster Hartford Public Library Phone: 860 522-4888 x6469 FAX: 860 722-6900 From CHHammer at olivet.edu Mon Jan 7 10:10:00 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: IT Position Description: Cross-Fertilization Message-ID: In the academic realm there seems to be a theory that mixing up job duties in everyone's job descriptions is beneficial to both the librarian and the institution in a sort of cross-fertilization way. I think this idea is foreign to public libraries, and from my experience in PLs would be abhorrent to them. (What? Put a cataloger on the Reference Desk? You crazy?) Just wondering whether anyone feels strongly one way or another concerning this. I realize that in smaller institutions, staff often have to wear many hats, but is it preferable? Or is that wasting personality-type orientation, talent and interest? A related question: assuming a moderately competent computer center, how many students must a college or university have before you can justify having a full-time IT librarian? Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mhenders at nslsilus.org Mon Jan 7 10:41:33 2002 From: mhenders at nslsilus.org (Melissa Henderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: libraries managing city web sites Message-ID: <81AFF5BCD9BBD41184AA00508BD884F24322FB@EXCHSRVR1> Hello, Many of the public libraries that participate in the NorthStarNet community information network provide web hosting services to their cities/villages via NorthStarNet. These libraries play varying roles in the development and management of the site; most do not actively manage the sites, however, some do serve in advisory roles. You can link to the community portal sites (all of which are created and maintained by the libraries) on NorthStarNet by going to www.northstarnet.org and clicking on the "Communities on the Web" link. >From the community page, you should be able to link to the village/city/township sites and find contact information for the library. I would be happy to forward your query to the mailing list for NorthStarNet library coordinators if you think more specific information would be helpful. Please feel free to contact me off the list. Melissa ************************************ Melissa Henderson NorthStarNet Coordinator mhenders@nslsilus.org North Suburban Library System 200 W. Dundee Rd. Wheeling, IL 60090 847-459-1300, ext. 7141 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Stephen Sweet Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] libraries managing city web sites Does anyone know of any public libraries that host/develop/manage their city's web site? Stephen Sweet Systems Analyst & Webmaster Hartford Public Library Phone: 860 522-4888 x6469 FAX: 860 722-6900 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us Mon Jan 7 10:42:30 2002 From: gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us (Gillian Wiseman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] libraries managing city web sites References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107084947.02617330@dewey.hartfordpl.lib.ct.us> Message-ID: <001101c19791$ea664eb0$7a70d6c6@altar.ci.waco.tx.us> There was article in the Texas Library Journal which appeared on my desk today, about the Brownsville Public Library, which runs the Valley Information Alliance, and it says "Brownsville Public Library has now also become the service provider for the City of Brownsville, as well as other city-related partners..." You might contack the library or the authors (Joe Garcia and Jerry Hedgecock). They are respectively the director and the Head of Tech Services at Brownsville. Hope this helps! Gillian Wiseman Electronic Resources Librarian Waco-McLennan County Library ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sweet To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] libraries managing city web sites > Does anyone know of any public libraries that host/develop/manage their > city's web site? > > Stephen Sweet > Systems Analyst & Webmaster > Hartford Public Library > Phone: 860 522-4888 x6469 > FAX: 860 722-6900 > From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Jan 7 11:03:08 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] libraries managing city web sites References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107084947.02617330@dewey.hartfordpl.lib.ct.us> Message-ID: <3C39C6BC.FCE8C63@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Ohhh man, I wish I could say I did. That could be so nifty if a city turned over its info and documents to the one place in the city that knows how to catalog, file, and post them to the web in an easy to find manner. My experience with city websites, especially our city's website, is that they have a basic understanding of HTML, a basic understanding of web design, and a basic understanding of FrontPage or some like programme. Couple these basic understandings with an overworked clerk who hasn't quite figured out e-mail yet and you've got yourself a recipe for a website so disastrous it'd make Ms. Finklestein's third grade website project look like Amazon.com. If you reply off list, I humbly request that you cc the e-mail to me as well. Maybe it'll provide some ideas. Change is a good thing, now you just have to convince city hall of that. Dan Stephen Sweet wrote: > Does anyone know of any public libraries that host/develop/manage their > city's web site? > > Stephen Sweet > Systems Analyst & Webmaster > Hartford Public Library > Phone: 860 522-4888 x6469 > FAX: 860 722-6900 -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From suekamm at mindspring.com Mon Jan 7 12:20:30 2002 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (suekamm@mindspring.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IT Position Description: Cross-Fertilization Message-ID: Craighton Hippenhammer wrote: In the academic realm there seems to be a theory that mixing up job duties = in everyone's job descriptions is beneficial to both the librarian and the = institution in a sort of cross-fertilization way. I think this idea is = foreign to public libraries, and from my experience in PLs would be = abhorrent to them. (What? Put a cataloger on the Reference Desk? You = crazy?) I am one who thinks that catalogers who do nothing but catalog all day and DON'T work on a reference desk do not often understand how the public uses the catalog. In my library (a medium-sized public library) people who catalog DO work on reference desks. Just wondering whether anyone feels strongly one way or another concerning = this. I realize that in smaller institutions, staff often have to wear = many hats, but is it preferable? Or is that wasting personality-type = orientation, talent and interest? My library (Inglewood, CA Public Library) has seven full-time librarians (not including administratiave staff). We do wear different hats. I, for example, am in charge of our audio-visual and stack maintenance divisions, and as the AV librarian I perform selection and cataloging. The Los Angeles Public Library system at one time had a job exchange program, where librarians at the Central Library -- who tend to be subject specialists, since that library is a research center -- would exchange jobs with a branch librarian. As a substitute librarian I worked in numerous LAPL branches as well as Central Library subject departments. I think such job switching can be beneficial to both the individuals involved and the library. In many libraries there is an "us" (central main/library) versus "them" (branches) attitude. By encouraging job swapping the boundaries can be dropped. A related question: assuming a moderately competent computer center, how = many students must a college or university have before you can justify = having a full-time IT librarian? About the same time our library got more computers through the Gates Foundation, we were able to convince the powers-that-be that we needed a full-time techie. He's not a librarian, but he trouble-shoots any computer workstations that present problems. Rather than looking at student enrollment as a factor in hiring an IT specialist, I suggest examining your current computer setup. How many workstations do you have? How old is your system (sometimes I think when someone sneezes, the computer they're using becomes immediately obsolete)? What are your workstations used for -- catalog and subscription databases, unlimited Internet access, word processing? If you don't have a resident techie, who takes care of your equipment? Is the library high on your campus computer people's priority list when there are problems? HTH! -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/INDEX.HTM email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully From mcfal#mk at oaklandlibrary.org Mon Jan 7 12:32:50 2002 From: mcfal#mk at oaklandlibrary.org (Màiri Mc Fall) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Problems with lynx Message-ID: I know this is a little off topic, but I'm tearing my hair trying to find a solution. A couple of months ago, Pac Bell changed DNS servers on us. We ran around changing everything and all is well, except the lynx program on our Unix server. I've waded through the lynx.cfg and can't find a setting for a DNS. Maybe is labeled in some way I don't understand? You would think that access without the pictures wouldn't be popular, but I have several very vocal patrons who call everyday, wondering when it will be fixed. Help! Mairi Mc Fall Oakland Public Library From ras at anzio.com Mon Jan 7 13:08:05 2002 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Problems with lynx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Màiri Mc Fall wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, but I'm tearing my hair trying to find a > solution. > > A couple of months ago, Pac Bell changed DNS servers on us. We ran around > changing everything and all is well, except the lynx program on our Unix > server. I've waded through the lynx.cfg and can't find a setting for a DNS. > Maybe is labeled in some way I don't understand? You would think that access > without the pictures wouldn't be popular, but I have several very vocal > patrons who call everyday, wondering when it will be fixed. You may be looking under the wrong rock. DNS is typically handled at the Unix level, not in individual applications (such as Lynx). Check the network configuration area of whatever Unix you have. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us Mon Jan 7 19:06:16 2002 From: gwiseman at ci.waco.tx.us (Gillian Wiseman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: OT: Computers in libraries conference Message-ID: <009301c197d8$4aa1eaa0$7a70d6c6@altar.ci.waco.tx.us> Is anyone else going to the Computers in Libraries Conference in Washington DC this March? I'm looking for a potential roommate. Please let me know privately if you might be interested. (Female, non-smoker, not a late-nighter) Gillian Wiseman Electronic Resources Librarian Waco-McLennan County Library (254) 750-5944 From lbspodic at ust.hk Mon Jan 7 20:58:19 2002 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Javascript Question re: Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107092218.0282af58@ohiolink.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107092218.0282af58@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: At 9:38 AM -0500 7/1/2002 [their time], Thomas Dowling wrote: >There may be an honest disagreement over what should happen when two objects try to set the window status simultaneously. There's some discussion about how this works (and how it should work) at . The gist of the discussion is that the developers will be happy with either behavior, *as long as there remains a way for the user to get the href's URL.* Heck - I have disagreement just in the 2 hemispheres of my own brain. :) Many times I have been annoyed not to be able to see the actual link in the status window of a site I have been visiting. Nonetheless, we use the onmouseover event to try to display the ultimate destination to the user. I would ove to see a way to provide both pieces of information - perhaps the status bar and a hovering 'tool tip' type text box. But the existing mechanism is certainly open to abuse, so i have no real problem with browsers changing this behavior. I just wanted to make sure I had not made any serious coding mistakes. Thanks! -Edward Spodick, Hong Kong lbspodic@ust.hk From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Mon Jan 7 21:46:35 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Problems with lynx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <738021.1010439995@localhost> As Bob suggested, you need to look at the system configuration to make a change to the DNS. Typically, this is in the /etc/resolv.conf file, but you should check your system manuals to be sure. Peter --On Monday, January 7, 2002 9:33 AM -0800 "M?iri Mc Fall" wrote: > A couple of months ago, Pac Bell changed DNS servers on us. We ran around > changing everything and all is well, except the lynx program on our Unix > server. -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From rich at richardwiggins.com Wed Jan 9 11:31:54 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine Message-ID: <20020109163154.10971.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> As a business decision, what Northern Light has done may make perfect sense. There is no money to be made in free Web search services, not when there's Google and all the other contenders, and the advertising market is so depressed. But the manner in which this decision was promulgated is, frankly, highly disappointing: -- Word on this bombshell got out yesterday. One of the premier Web search engines will no longer be in service as of January 16. That's barely more than ONE WEEK of notice! Would it have really cost the company any significant cash to maintain the service as is for a few months -- or at least 30 days? -- There should be huge banner ads and red flags on the northernlight.com site right now emphasizing this news. There aren't. I can't even find an archive of the press release. They toss the bomb on a newswire, and don't bother telling real customers on the Northern Light site itself?!? NL has always marketed itself as the researcher's engine. How many libraries have given instruction on how to exploit NL? How many have NL listed as a favored engine? (Google counts 27,000 links to NL). How many users have followed advice and bookmarked NL? Obviously one cannot complain too much when a company decides it cannot afford a free service, but you have to ask why the retrenchment had to be done with so little notice. The impression is left that this was a move of desperation, not careful business realignment. I would not want to be a NL sales rep marketing for-fee services to a library after this move. I say this as one of NL's biggest fans, having written one of the first (glowing) articles on them, and having had the privilege of meeting their highly-talented principals in better days.... It is beginning to seem as if besides superior algorithms and uncluttered interface, one of Google's strongest points is its mere stability. Let's hope they really do have a business model that sustains them. /rich On Tue, 08 January 2002, "gary price" wrote: > > Good Morning From D.C. > > Another crawled database is set to disappear from public view. ): > > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search engine available to the public on January 16th. The > NL Special Collection material (pay-per-view) articles will still be available to the public. > > A Bit of Good News > ------------------------ > NL's current news search (56 newswires) and search alerts will continue to be publicly available for free according to a NL > spokesperson. > > > >From the news release, > http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?day0/220082145 > or > http://library.northernlight.com/FB20020108420000192.html > > "As of January 16, 2002, the company will no longer be providing free Web search capabilities to the general public. Northern > Light's Special Collection(TM), an online business library of over 70 million pages of full-text, authoritative content from > more than 7,100 sources, will continue to be offered to enterprise customers and to the public from Northern Light's Web site. > Additionally, the company will offer Web searching to enterprise customers. Northern Light will continue to maintain and > update its index of more than 350 million Web pages to provide enterprise customers with search of the Web using Northern > Light's patented classification technology, and will continue offering custom Web searching for enterprise customers." > > > cheers, > gary > > Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? > Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk > http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com > > Gary D. Price, MLIS > Librarian > Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting > gprice@gwu.edu Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From lparrish at wahoo.sjsu.edu Wed Jan 9 11:48:26 2002 From: lparrish at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Lisa Parrish) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like www.vivisimo.com Lisa On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: > > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 > > From: "gary price" > .. > > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search > > engine available to the public on January 16th. ... > > > Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I > want. Hotbot is my #3. > > Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable > categories like NL? > > I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. > > From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Wed Jan 9 12:08:20 2002 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Tax form access Message-ID: <3C3C7904.A413469D@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy enough with public Internet traffic as it is. What are other libraries doing about tax forms? Are you just relying on Internet access? Are you holding out for reproducible forms? Are you doing something different? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Wed Jan 9 13:10:34 2002 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Garwood, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access Message-ID: Hi Tom, I take the most popular forms...download them from the IRS website and keep them on our server so that our patrons get quick access (waiting for the IRS page in April sucks). They usually seem much more happy to print something from the Web rather than having to photocopy something from a book (of course we have the reproducibles too). The URL we'll be using for 2001 is http://www.camden.lib.nj.us/taxforms/2001/default.htm and this will be linked from our homepage probably when we get the forms in print in the library or when demand rises for them. Of course the IRS will be sending us many many cases of forms, but we always run out. Let me repeat...we ALWAYS run out. Hope this helps, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tom Edelblute [mailto:thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy enough with public Internet traffic as it is. What are other libraries doing about tax forms? Are you just relying on Internet access? Are you holding out for reproducible forms? Are you doing something different? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From suekamm at mindspring.com Wed Jan 9 13:22:22 2002 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (suekamm@mindspring.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access Message-ID: Hi, Tom -- My library (Inglewood, CA) is one of the few which still has the actual tax forms available to the public. I will be putting links to the IRS and the California Franchise Tax Board (the agency that collects income taxes) forms on our web site. We also have the reproducible forms. The forms themselves are on a table in our lobby. The greatest problem is tax preparers who come in and take forms by the armful. HTH! -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully From scp_sulli at sals.edu Wed Jan 9 13:19:18 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Tax form access Message-ID: <020109131918.2c9f@sals.edu> >We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our >copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have >the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that >they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy >enough with public Internet traffic as it is. We have some computers which are dedicated to our catalog and subscription databases. However, there are some Web sites which we feel are of sufficient value to our patrons that we promote their use and do not force the patrons to compete for Internet PCs to use them. Given the benefits to staff of reduced demand for the reproducible forms - we charge the same for printing as we do for copying - having the links to assorted federal and state tax forms would definitely fall into that category. (We'll be adding FAFSA now that they're pushing online applications and cutting back on the paper copies.) Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 9 13:32:47 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Tax form access References: <020109131918.2c9f@sals.edu> Message-ID: <3C3C8CCF.F0553D6B@tln.lib.mi.us> This is probably straying off list topic but we supplement our web links to the state and federal tax forms with the forms on CD. You can order the CD from the IRS and I think it is free or very low cost. It's very helpful when the IRS site is slow or for those obscure forms or publications that aren't available online or would be a huge pain to download and print. Like Bob, we have these available on our database/CD-ROM workstations. We also leave the links on year-round as we always seem to have people looking for forms after April 15th. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Robert Sullivan wrote: > >We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our > >copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have > >the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that > >they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy > >enough with public Internet traffic as it is. > > We have some computers which are dedicated to our catalog and subscription > databases. However, there are some Web sites which we feel are of sufficient > value to our patrons that we promote their use and do not force the patrons to > compete for Internet PCs to use them. > > Given the benefits to staff of reduced demand for the reproducible forms - we > charge the same for printing as we do for copying - having the links to > assorted federal and state tax forms would definitely fall into that category. > (We'll be adding FAFSA now that they're pushing online applications and cutting > back on the paper copies.) > > Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Wed Jan 9 13:30:58 2002 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access References: Message-ID: <3C3C8C62.10A840A9@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I think that is what we are going to end up doing. It is the most practical solution in our situation. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us "Garwood, Steve" wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > I take the most popular forms...download them from the IRS website and keep > them on our server so that our patrons get quick access (waiting for the IRS > page in April sucks). They usually seem much more happy to print something > from the Web rather than having to photocopy something from a book (of > course we have the reproducibles too). > > The URL we'll be using for 2001 is > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us/taxforms/2001/default.htm and this will be > linked from our homepage probably when we get the forms in print in the > library or when demand rises for them. > > Of course the IRS will be sending us many many cases of forms, but we always > run out. Let me repeat...we ALWAYS run out. > > Hope this helps, > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Edelblute [mailto:thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access > > We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our > copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have > the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that > they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy > enough with public Internet traffic as it is. > > What are other libraries doing about tax forms? Are you just relying on > Internet access? Are you holding out for reproducible forms? Are you > doing something different? > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 9 15:13:24 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available In-Reply-To: <20020109163154.10971.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> References: <20020109163154.10971.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <881108203171.20020109131324@riverofdata.com> I rarely disagree with Rich, but.... Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 9:33:53 AM, you wrote: RW> But the manner in which this decision was promulgated is, RW> frankly, highly disappointing: I don't understand this at all. Comments follow. RW> -- Word on this bombshell got out yesterday. One of the RW> premier Web search engines will no longer be in service RW> as of January 16. That's barely more than ONE WEEK of RW> notice! Would it have really cost the company any significant RW> cash to maintain the service as is for a few months -- or at RW> least 30 days? I can't answer for them, of course, but you certainly have to have people to manage servers, etc. And if they're not spidering the world, they may be able to save significantly on bandwidth fees. If the contracts end now, that's it. And, if they're in really bad shape, every little bit helps, at least in appearance. Most of us know that appearance often counts for more than reality. RW> -- There should be huge banner ads and red flags on the RW> northernlight.com site right now emphasizing this news. Why should there be. A business might have a "going out of business sale", but since NL doesn't have anything to sell, that seems kind of pointless. RW> There aren't. I can't even find an archive of the press release. RW> They toss the bomb on a newswire, and don't bother telling real RW> customers on the Northern Light site itself?!? Well, when you're getting it free, are you a customer? (and NO I don't want to get into what name we should give to our library patrons/customers/users/clients/visitors/guests/etc.) RW> NL has always marketed itself as the researcher's engine. RW> How many libraries have given instruction on how to exploit RW> NL? How many have NL listed as a favored engine? (Google counts 27,000 RW> links to NL). How many users have followed advice and bookmarked NL? Undoubtedly a great many have done these things. Doesn't all of that confirm that NL is making the right decision? Actually, it seems to me that search engines go through the same cycles as the "One Hit Wonders" in popular music of any genre. First World Wide Web Worm was hot, then Yahoo, then AltaVista, then NL, then Google, and next will be someone else. (Purists can quibble with my choices and sequencing above if they wish). RW> Obviously one cannot complain too much when a company decides it RW> cannot afford a free service, but you have to ask why the retrenchment RW> had to be done with so little notice. The impression is left that RW> this was a move of desperation, not careful business realignment. I'm betting that it was. But since I've not invested in them, I don't watch them closely, either. RW> I would not want to be a NL sales rep marketing for-fee services RW> to a library after this move. True enough. However, as a talking-head-guru said on one of the financial channels this morning (regarding Merrill Lynch cutting 9000 employees by a number of euphemisms for layoffs and firings), "they may be just slimming down for a special date that will lead to marriage". It seems to me that NL has enough assets that they'd be an attractive acquisition to some other firm. W> It is beginning to seem as if besides superior algorithms and RW> uncluttered interface, one of Google's strongest points is its RW> mere stability. Let's hope they really do have a business model that RW> sustains them. Again, I hope that you're right, and that they're not just the latest search engine fad. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From rich at richardwiggins.com Wed Jan 9 16:27:04 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Service Message-ID: <20020109212704.29428.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> On Wed, 09 January 2002, Dan Lester wrote: > I rarely disagree with Rich, but.... ... You are wise beyond your years. :-) > RW> -- There should be huge banner ads and red flags on the > RW> northernlight.com site right now emphasizing this news. > > Why should there be. A business might have a "going out of business > sale", but since NL doesn't have anything to sell, that seems kind of > pointless. > Well, when you're getting it free, are you a customer? Yes, we most certainly are customers. It was a banner ad supported service, and/or a "free" service offered as a tease to get people to buy from the Special Collection. Maybe they didn't make much money on the free service, but a service marketed to people with no charge to end users is still a service. I really can't believe you accept that it is just fine for NL to offer this service for years, advertise it, talk about it at library conferences, tout it in press releases, and then shut it down with no notice on the most obvious place to warn users: the portal itself. /rich Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From calumet at mindspring.com Wed Jan 9 16:37:50 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Service In-Reply-To: <20020109212704.29428.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109163715.00a27400@pop.mindspring.com> At 04:28 PM 1/9/2002, Richard Wiggins wrote: > > Why should there be. A business might have a "going out of business > > sale", but since NL doesn't have anything to sell, that seems kind of > > pointless. > > > Well, when you're getting it free, are you a customer? > >Yes, we most certainly are customers. It was a banner ad supported >service, and/or a "free" service offered as a tease to get people to buy >from the Special Collection. Maybe they didn't make much money on the >free service, but a service marketed to people with no charge to end users >is still a service. > >I really can't believe you accept that it is just fine for NL to offer >this service for years, advertise it, talk about it at library >conferences, tout it in press releases, and then shut it down with no >notice on the most obvious place to warn users: the portal itself. Richard, just out of curiosity, what would you have done? Just the red flags and banners or would you have gone further? Tara From d-kovacs at mail.wheaton.lib.il.us Wed Jan 9 10:29:23 2002 From: d-kovacs at mail.wheaton.lib.il.us (Dawn Kovacs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access In-Reply-To: <3C3C7904.A413469D@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020109211504077.AAA1132.1260@wheaton> Besides the actual paper forms, reproducible forms and access to the IRS Web site, we also have a CD-ROM program called SuperForm. It has every federal and state tax form as well as other government forms. http://www.superforms.com/ Dawn Kovacs Wheaton Public Library Wheaton, Illinois > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:14:56 -0800 (PST) > Reply-to: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > From: Tom Edelblute > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tax form access > We are starting to enter a big discussion here about tax forms. Our > copy machine vendor will be supply reproducible forms, but does not have > the current forms from the IRS yet. With that, someone mentioned that > they are available on the Internet. However, our computer lab gets busy > enough with public Internet traffic as it is. > > What are other libraries doing about tax forms? Are you just relying on > Internet access? Are you holding out for reproducible forms? Are you > doing something different? > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > From tryan at cbpl.lib.ia.us Wed Jan 9 16:37:16 2002 From: tryan at cbpl.lib.ia.us (Tom Ryan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Thin Client and Checking in and out Message-ID: <000801c19955$cf7f2250$3ceb1ccf@tryan> Hi All, I am wondering if anybody knows of a software product that might help in the following situation. We are presently building a new Lab and are going to be using thin clients with a Citrix Platform and would like a program to log patrons in and out, keep stats of use+users, which apps are ran the must, but we do not wont to keep track of names or records of patrons. Any ideas will be very helpful. Thank you , Tom Ryan Computer Systems Tech. tryan@cbpl.lib.ia.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jan 9 17:18:12 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: More Search News: Today Teoma and Jeeves Message-ID: <033401c1995b$86e7dae0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> A busy week for search news. Today word from Ask.Com and their Teoma engine. Hopefully, Teoma's increase in size and refresh, both supposedly coming soon. With the demise of two crawled dbases (NL and Excite) in the past few weeks, this additional engine (if it happens), will benefit all of us. ---- http://www.irconnect.com/askj/pages/news_releases.mhtml?d=22540 >From the announcement, "Ask Jeeves Web Properties, a division of Ask Jeeves(R), Inc., announced today that it has successfully completed the integration of Teoma search technology into Ask Jeeves (Ask.com), the 17th largest Web property according to Nielsen Net Ratings. Teoma, which was acquired by Ask Jeeves in September 2001, is a next generation search technology that uses advanced algorithms and Subject-Specific Popularity(SM)* to generate more relevant and authoritative results on the Web. Teoma search technology, combined with Ask Jeeves' extensive audience reach and user-friendly interface, will help to solidify Ask Jeeves' leadership position as a top search property." "Teoma search results on Ask.com are featured under the heading "You may find my search results helpful." ----- A few quick searches of Ask Jeeves returned all or some of the following content on a results page: 1) P-p-c content, 2) Pre-Formatted Questions 3) A search on the term "Chicago" includes a "helpful link" from Expedia (direct access to Expedia dbase) 4) Featured Sponsor Box 5) "Try these search terms to see more answers" section 6) "You may find my search results helpful" section (this is the Teoma content) 7) Results from other search engine box Not Available: Teoma's "Pages by Topic" and "Expert Links" sections. These sections will be available later in 2002 after and Ask.Com redesign. ------- "... Ask Jeeves also operates the Web site www.Teoma.com, in beta until Q2 2002, as a stand-alone search engine." Teoma is currently increasing the size and currency of the database. According to a spokesperson, the Teoma database is currently at about 150 million pages and updated monthly. Top sites are set be refreshed a few times a week. The spokesperson also told us that the beta will be lifted when the index is at about the 250 million page mark. Finally, we learned that Teoma is working on implementing spellcheck and cached paged features. Let's keep our fingers crossed. At the moment a few quick searches of Teoma still shows the database to be several months old. ---- cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 9 18:22:44 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Service In-Reply-To: <20020109212704.29428.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> References: <20020109212704.29428.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <121119503320.20020109162244@riverofdata.com> Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 2:28:21 PM, you wrote: RW> On Wed, 09 January 2002, Dan Lester wrote: >> I rarely disagree with Rich, but.... RW> .. RW> You are wise beyond your years. :-) Well, that must be VERY wise, as I have so many more years under my hat than Rich does. RW> Yes, we most certainly are customers. It was a banner ad supported RW> service, and/or a "free" service offered as a tease to get people RW> to buy from the Special Collection. Maybe they didn't make much RW> money on the free service, but a service marketed to people with RW> no charge to end users is still a service. Yes, a service. But since I never once clicked on their banners, they didn't get any income from me. (Yes, I know that is the problem they have, and all banner supported outfits have) The rest of our difference of opinion on this is semantics, so I'll let it go. RW> I really can't believe you accept that it is just fine for NL to RW> offer this service for years, advertise it, talk about it at library RW> conferences, tout it in press releases, and then shut it down RW> with no notice on the most obvious place to warn users: the portal itself. I don't know if it is "just fine" or not, but it certainly isn't surprising, either on the net or in the physical world. We've certainly seen plenty of websites, including information resources as well as those with a physical product to sell, just disappear without so much as a press release. I know my local pizza place "just closed" one day. In fact, I got a mailer from them after they'd already shut down. No notice in the paper or anything else but the "out of business" sign on the door. I guess the difference is that I'm much more cynical and much less easily surprised. Perhaps because of all those extra years??? Wisdom may not come with age, but experience sure does. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From scott at lights.com Wed Jan 9 20:42:41 2002 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: Weird error message Message-ID: When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few days ago, you get: Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l Any ideas? From raywood at magma.ca Wed Jan 9 23:42:56 2002 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Weird error message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C3CAB50.4652.56C8BB@localhost> On 9 Jan 2002 at 17:33, Peter Scott wrote: > When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few > days ago, you get: > > Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l Certainly smacks of the kind of message that server crackers will leave behind. I'd hazard a guess the site has somehow been compromised (aka cracked). Cheers, Raymond From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Wed Jan 9 20:50:04 2002 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Weird error message Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E14F@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> > > On 9 Jan 2002 at 17:33, Peter Scott wrote: > > > When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few > > days ago, you get: > > > > Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l > > Certainly smacks of the kind of message that server crackers > will leave behind. I'd > hazard a guess the site has somehow been compromised (aka cracked). > Yes I have to agree it looks very much like a hackers (crackers) signiture Jodi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Deja Brew: The feeling you've had this coffee before" From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Wed Jan 9 23:27:54 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Weird error message Message-ID: Trippin Smurfs is yet another cracking group who fit into the "scriptkiddies" category. They've defaced a number of sites, a listing of which is available here: http://defaced.alldas.de/?attacker=Trippin+Smurfs Nothing much anyone can do except hope that those who ran the site have some kind of backups. Anytime you see that stupid "leet" writing, it usually says that a cracker has been in the works. They utilize a form of lingo using letter and number combinations to find new ways to make words: Th3y th1nk wr1t1ng w0rd5 l1k3 th15 m4k35 th3m l00k l1ke h4x0rs. Of course, real crackers think this scriptkiddy crap gives them a bad name. Dan Peter Scott said: > When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few days ago, > you get: > > Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l > > Any ideas? > > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From plum at ulink.net Sat Jan 12 11:46:50 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: html editor editing References: <200201061557.HAA24588@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <002001c19b88$bc718ba0$7a0cced1@shapeshi> Cute HTML allows edit/replace all in selected text. Dreamweaver does not seem to have this feature. But Cute doesn't have 2 synchronized views to allow easy location of area to be edited. What's a Web editor to do? Use 2 editors at once? I'm still set to digest mode, so "reply all" will get to me faster. Thanks. From plum at ulink.net Sat Jan 12 12:29:34 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] html editor editing References: <200201061557.HAA24588@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <003d01c19b8e$b4564ae0$7a0cced1@shapeshi> Hi Lonna, Thanks for the reply. But now I'm wondering if my post wasn't clear. I want to be able to "edit/replace all" in large areas of the code, but not all the code. Cute HTML allows this, but has no WYSIWYG view, so I have to do an "edit/find" every time I want to hop around in the page in Cute. I'm spoiled from DW where I can highlight the spot I want in the WYSIWYG, which then automatically highlights the location I want to edit in the code. But DW only allows to edit/replace a single place or the whole document, not a selection of the document. Is that more clear, or am I still typing mud? :) Thanks. Nancy P.S.:> > I'm still set to digest mode, so "reply all" will get to me faster. > Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonna Beers" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] html editor editing > nancy...i use both DW & FP. > FP is what we use on the server & it does have some advantages, ie forms. > > DW comes with an editor called HomeSite. > It is/was an Allaire product. I used w/ FP prior to switch to DW. > It is a true editor, you can really change the raw code. > Select all is really a text function so you need to be viewing the code not > the WYSIWYG view. > > I often find myself with similar issues like this & need to open the pages > in an editor. > Probably why DW includes HS. > > HS should be on the CD?? with DW. Probably version 4.?? > > Hope this helps... > > Lonna Beers > Librarian & Web Administrator > The University Center > 3232 College Park Drive > Conroe, TX 77384 > lonna.beers@nhmccd.edu > http://www.tuc.edu/lrc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Sosna Bohm" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:52 AM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] html editor editing > > > > Cute HTML allows edit/replace all in selected text. Dreamweaver does not > > seem to have this feature. But Cute doesn't have 2 synchronized views to > > allow easy location of area to be edited. What's a Web editor to do? Use 2 > > editors at once? > > > > I'm still set to digest mode, so "reply all" will get to me faster. > Thanks. > > From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Sat Jan 12 11:41:55 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] html editor editing In-Reply-To: <002001c19b88$bc718ba0$7a0cced1@shapeshi> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112113945.00a7d4a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> I use Dreamweaver, but I have set arachnophilia as my 'external editor'. So when I want to tweak something that I can't easily do in Dreamwaver , I go to edit, and select 'launch external editor' and it opens the file in my designated Arachnophoilia. That way I can use the benefits of both. I am still on Dreamweaver 3, but I am assuming that 4 would also have that feature. Isabel At 06:54 AM 1/12/2002 -0800, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >Cute HTML allows edit/replace all in selected text. Dreamweaver does not >seem to have this feature. But Cute doesn't have 2 synchronized views to >allow easy location of area to be edited. What's a Web editor to do? Use 2 >editors at once? > >I'm still set to digest mode, so "reply all" will get to me faster. Thanks. From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Sat Jan 12 11:44:48 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: profile on Win2000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112114207.00a85980@tiac.net> We have had problems using WinSelect on our latest Win2000 work stations. It does not like to display printers in Netscape or deal with pdf files in Netscape 4.08 either. has anyone out there managed to come up with security settings for Win2000 that will secure public computers without using external software such as WinSelect? Our general goals are to keep people from the Network neighborhood and to prevent them from installing software or 'destroying' the computer that they are using. Any hints would be appreciated. Isabel From msauers at bcr.org Sat Jan 12 12:38:44 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: [OT] Looking for old BIPs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112114207.00a85980@tiac.net> Message-ID: If anyone on the list works at a University library and has old issues of Books in Print back to 1977 and would like to assist me in finishing my latest book please contact me ASAP off-list. Please use the following address when replying: KoontzCollector@webpan.com Thanks! --- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographic Center for Research msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ I am out of the office - responses will take longer than usual All opinions expressed are just my own unless otherwise noted. From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Jan 12 16:10:19 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: html editor editing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112113945.00a7d4a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <03ef01c19bad$8f80e080$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Dreamweaver is now bundled with Homesite, which (at least in version 4.5.2) supports this feature. As Isabel noted, you can set Dreamweaver to launch any external editor.... so if you find a good freebie you can remain in the Dreamweaver environment and launch your other editor as needed. } >Cute HTML allows edit/replace all in selected text. Dreamweaver does not } >seem to have this feature. But Cute doesn't have 2 synchronized views to } >allow easy location of area to be edited. What's a Web editor to do? Use ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet LII New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw LII: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Sat Jan 12 22:20:43 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:46 2005 Subject: log file rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <174966.1010874043@[192.168.0.28]> --On Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:20 AM -0800 Elizabeth Myers 225-231-3720 wrote: > Does anyone out there have experience with log file rotation? [...] > What I would like to do is to have a new log file starting at midnight > of each day and keep the old log files indefinitely for right now, until > we figure out how long we want to keep them, storage methods, etc. I use a program called 'httplog' to automatically rotate log files: Apache has the option to log to the standard input of another program ('httplog' in this case) rather than just to a file. You give 'httplog' a filename specification, and it automatically closes, compresses, and opens a new log file at the time you specify. Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From bernies at uillinois.edu Sun Jan 13 12:53:25 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: netLibrary newspaper story Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B57C6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> I've seen copies of the recent OCLC/netLibrary press release circulating on listservs. For more info, here's a newspaper story from yesterday's (1/12/02) Boulder (CO) Daily Camera: http://www.thedailycamera.com/business/tech/12bnetl.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. 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Come see the most advanced approaches to one-stop searching, as developed Ex Libris, Sirsi/DRA, Endeavor, and Innovative Interfaces. Join us! Cynthia Levine (Chair, Catalog Use Committee) Research and Information Services, NCSU Libraries 919-515-2915 (w) cindy_levine@ncsu.edu From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Tue Jan 15 09:02:05 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DSL Woes Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A554@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Greetings: My brother, Wayne Masters, is in charge of the Pronto project (which is DSL for Southwest Bell). I guess you could try to get in contact with him and see who can help. He is quite proud of the progress and thinks many of the early problems have been solved. I am sure that he wants you to get prompt and good answers. Sorry you have had problems. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Barclay [SMTP:dbarclay@library.tmc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] DSL Woes We have been getting scattered reports that DSL users cannot access our library webpages (www.library.tmc.edu). At first the reports came exclusively from users (including two of our librarians) of Southwestern Bell DSL, but today we got a report from someone using RoadRunner DSL. Does anyone know of any reason why webpages that are otherwise completely accessible cannot be accessed by users of DSL? We tried to contact Southwestern Bell DSL about this problem, but they won't respond to their own customers, much less us. One far-out thought we had was this: The numerical IP of our main webserver is 192.68.30.200. Numerical IPs that begin with 192.68.*.* can be used for private networks. Could the DSL providers be blocking IPs that start with "192.68" in the belief that they are protecting private networks? Interestingly, one of our DSL-using librarians reports that another website she cannot hit using DSL is www.sun.com, and the numerical address of this site begins with "192" (though the second part of the address is not "68"). Any ideas will be much appreciated. Donald A. Barclay Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics Houston Academy of Medicine-- Texas Medical Center Library dbarclay@library.tmc.edu 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Jan 15 10:15:04 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: _BANaRAMA(sm): A Registry of Library Promotional Banner Pages_ Message-ID: _BANaRAMA(sm): A Registry of Library Promotional Banner Pages_ I am greatly interested in learning of candidates for inclusion in BANaRAMA(sm), my registry established to serve as a resource for libraries who seek examples of banner 'ads' or scrawling or scrolling text ro promote library services, resources, or collection. BANaRAMA(sm) is located at: [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Banarama.htm ] Current banner 'ads', scrolling text, refresh rotation, etc. in BANaRAMa(sm) range from the subtle to the sublime [:->]. I remain interested in multimedia banner 'ads' that include streaming audio and/or video . [Think about the possibilities of streaming audio/video *library* banner 'ads'!] /Gerry McKiernan Scrolling Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Advertize It" With Apologies to Alan Kay From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jan 15 11:19:50 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a window's size to fit Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115111601.022e3d80@ohiolink.edu> >At 10:28 AM 1/14/2002, Info Galway Library wrote: > >I am using JavaScript to open a small window to display a document. The >document is not large? I want the window to be sufficiently large to contain >the document; no bigger or no smaller. Is there any means of opening a >window of the required size? I am aware the document will be of a different >size in different browsers. If you realize that the document will display at different sizes, not just in different versions of browsers, but in identical browsers with different user settings, then you're way ahead of too many web designers. However, it also follows that you can't very reliably say "the document is not large" (if you're talking about physical dimensions). You just don't know. >I am familiar with ASP and JavaScript. You should be aware that none of the following can be *forced* on the user. In Opera 6 (and Mozilla, soon, we hope), there's a user setting to disable pop-up windows, and that's without even disabling client-side scripting. Why? Because many users really don't like them. You're sure this is a good idea, right? If you're going to do this, it has to happen on the client side, so you'll want to use JavaScript. You're familiar with JavaScript, so you already know that window.open uses pixel-based dimensions to size the new window. You could just stick with static pixel dimensions, but I'll tell you from experience that there's no good window size that works on everything from 640x480 to 1600x1200 resolutions. You can (for many Javascript-enabled browsers) get the user's screen resolution with screen.width and screen.height and make a reasonable guess about what window size to use. The following could be used to open a window that covers about a quarter of the height and width of the screen. That will fit the same amount of content from screen to screen more closely than static pixel sizes. //any errors are included as an exercise for the reader :-) if (screen.width) { ourWidth = Math.round(screen.width * .25); } else { ourWidth = 250; } if (screen.height) { ourHeight = Math.round(screen.height * .25); } else { ourHeight = 200; } ourSettings = "menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,"; ourSetings = ourSettings + "directories=yes,location=yes,resizable=yes," ourSettings = ourSettings + "width=" + ourWidth + ","; ourSettings = ourSetting + "height=", ourHeight; theNewWin = window.open("SomeURL", "SomeWindowName", ourSettings); theNewWin.focus(); A couple of general notes. First, opening a new window for any purpose is a pretty drastic measure. We do it in our research databases, but only for features that have the effect of taking users entirely out of the search process. Second, you have to be kind to your non-Javascript browsers--there are more of us than you may know--so your hyperlink has to work with and without JS. With a little tweaking to the script above, this will do the trick. From wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu Tue Jan 15 12:52:43 2002 From: wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu (William Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: ICRC Message-ID: The Internet Collegiate Reference Collection has moved to http://icrc.bloomu.edu This catalog/database now holds over 850 titles. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania fros@bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Tue Jan 15 12:55:33 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115111601.022e3d80@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020115122608.00c9f348@pop.cwru.edu> To augment Thomas' remarks & code, be aware that a good number of users have specifically and intentionally turned off scripting in the browser. The reasoning for this is that if a script kiddie has access to a signing authority or a SSL secured server it is possible for a maliciously coded script to gain access to parts of your system with which you would much rather not allow people to tamper. By that I mean that they could access and modify your Windows registry and/or read/write/delete other information on any of your local drives, and conceivably mapped network drives. That would be bad. That said, due to the hoops you have to jump through to do that, if a person has enough programming savvy to do that they're probably not going to do it via JavaScript. One quick note on window sizing. Through JavaScript you are able to determine screen H&W, browser window outer H&W, and browser window inner H&W. The difference between "outer" and "inner" being that "outer" encompasses the entire application whereas "inner" includes only the document window. You are able to do this: window.outerWidth = new_x; window.outerHeight = new_y; to set the application window size but, you are not able to set specific values for the inner width or height. You should remember this when designing your page to fit a specific resolution and compensate for all of the standard interface elements for the targeted browser. Keith Higgs Case Western Reserve University Webmaster - University Library D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html From SusanM.Brown at mail.state.ky.us Tue Jan 15 13:33:52 2002 From: SusanM.Brown at mail.state.ky.us (SusanM.Brown@mail.state.ky.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Submit a bid to build a kids site Message-ID: Hi all, The Kentucky Council on Postsecondary Education is accepting bids to create a portal page and information literacy tutorial for kids in Kentucky. If you or someone you know might be interested please go to http://www.kyvl.org/html/about/committees/teachers/kidsrfp.pdf This will be a part of the Kentucky Virtual Library. http://www.kyvl.org/ Susan ----------------------------------------------------- Susan Brown Assoc. Director, Kentucky Virtual Library www.kyvl.org SusanM.Brown@mail.state.ky.us phone: 502-573-1555 fax: 502-573-1031 ------------------------------------------------------ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jan 15 13:49:21 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20020115122608.00c9f348@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115133018.00a8d290@ohiolink.edu> At 01:01 PM 1/15/2002, Keith Higgs wrote: >...You are able to do this: > >window.outerWidth = new_x; >window.outerHeight = new_y; > >to set the application window size but, you are not able to set specific >values for the inner width or height. You should remember this when >designing your page to fit a specific resolution and compensate for all of >the standard interface elements for the targeted browser.... BTW, window.innerWidth et al. are undefined in IE. You may need to test for its document.body.clientWidth (and ...Height) object also. As I read it, this is a case where IE is non-standard and Netscape 4 and Mozilla both have it right. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From rich at richardwiggins.com Tue Jan 15 14:14:57 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Author's queries: newspaper searching; Northern Light Message-ID: <20020115191457.3737.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> For an upcoming article in a national magazine, I am researching newspaper search engines. Which ones work well? Which ones need improvement? How do they compete against/complement aggregator services like Nexis, and news-related searches on portals such as AltaVista? What do you steer your patrons towards? If your library houses newspaper archives, do you ever suggest to patrons to search the newspaper's index on the Web, then fetch the corresponding microform or paper issues? For a possible upcoming article, I am researching how people used Northern Light's Web index. Did you exploit the Custom Search Folders feature? What are examples of searches that NL was especially good at? How will the absence of NL hamper your searching, or your patrons'? What alternatives will you move towards? Please send any comments to me privately, unless your comment is apropos for general discussion. Thanks! /rich Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Tue Jan 15 14:28:10 2002 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: copyright laws Message-ID: <000601c19dfa$c52362e0$14915fa5@tamut.edu> If you have computer software collections for patron use, such as children's living books, learning games, etc, do you allow patrons to check them out to be used at home? If so, how do you distinguish what can be taken home and what can't so that you stay within copyright law? Also we have hundreds of CD's that we have only one license of. You have to check the CD out from a librarian in order to use. Can we install each CD onto several computers even though you have to check the CD out to run it. In other words, it can only be used on one computer at a time although the program is installed onto several. Is this within copyright regulations? The same computer maybe not always be available. And we certainly do not want to install and uninstall everytime. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From bennetttm at appstate.edu Tue Jan 15 15:58:22 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115111601.022e3d80@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: http://www1.appstate.edu/~bennettt/Grandfather/remote/ was my first attempt a few years ago at making a popup menu. When I wrote it the popup menu showed all the information without resizing. After testing on other resolutions I found that the popup needed to be resizable so everyone would be able to see all the information on the popup menu. With that being the case, we have never incorporated popups in our Web pages. Well at least not up until January 1, 2002, we asked our media services to propose a new design for our home page and a similar template for lower pages. The link to the University home page opens a new window or browser depending on the browser and setting you use. My last edits to our old home page insured there was no scripting and minimal graphics links and now the page is nothing but graphics and java. Obviously I don't have autonomous control :-) . Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a >At 10:28 AM 1/14/2002, Info Galway Library wrote: > >I am using JavaScript to open a small window to display a document. The >document is not large? I want the window to be sufficiently large to contain >the document; no bigger or no smaller. Is there any means of opening a >window of the required size? I am aware the document will be of a different >size in different browsers. If you realize that the document will display at different sizes, not just in different versions of browsers, but in identical browsers with different user settings, then you're way ahead of too many web designers. However, it also follows that you can't very reliably say "the document is not large" (if you're talking about physical dimensions). You just don't know. >I am familiar with ASP and JavaScript. You should be aware that none of the following can be *forced* on the user. In Opera 6 (and Mozilla, soon, we hope), there's a user setting to disable pop-up windows, and that's without even disabling client-side scripting. Why? Because many users really don't like them. You're sure this is a good idea, right? If you're going to do this, it has to happen on the client side, so you'll want to use JavaScript. You're familiar with JavaScript, so you already know that window.open uses pixel-based dimensions to size the new window. You could just stick with static pixel dimensions, but I'll tell you from experience that there's no good window size that works on everything from 640x480 to 1600x1200 resolutions. You can (for many Javascript-enabled browsers) get the user's screen resolution with screen.width and screen.height and make a reasonable guess about what window size to use. The following could be used to open a window that covers about a quarter of the height and width of the screen. That will fit the same amount of content from screen to screen more closely than static pixel sizes. //any errors are included as an exercise for the reader :-) if (screen.width) { ourWidth = Math.round(screen.width * .25); } else { ourWidth = 250; } if (screen.height) { ourHeight = Math.round(screen.height * .25); } else { ourHeight = 200; } ourSettings = "menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,"; ourSetings = ourSettings + "directories=yes,location=yes,resizable=yes," ourSettings = ourSettings + "width=" + ourWidth + ","; ourSettings = ourSetting + "height=", ourHeight; theNewWin = window.open("SomeURL", "SomeWindowName", ourSettings); theNewWin.focus(); A couple of general notes. First, opening a new window for any purpose is a pretty drastic measure. We do it in our research databases, but only for features that have the effect of taking users entirely out of the search process. Second, you have to be kind to your non-Javascript browsers--there are more of us than you may know--so your hyperlink has to work with and without JS. With a little tweaking to the script above, this will do the trick. From astout at mbl.edu Tue Jan 15 15:58:52 2002 From: astout at mbl.edu (Amy Stout) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: back button References: <200201152016.MAA19754@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3C44980C.379679EC@mbl.edu> Hi, Here's a question that came up at work today. Is it possible to set a parameter in a web page that dictates where the browser will go when the user hits the "back" button? Thank you, Amy ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Tue Jan 15 16:29:01 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Font use in browsers Message-ID: A recent query on browser type sizes reminded me of something I've been wondering about for some time. Think of this as a mini-poll. Send answers directly to me (wcc@notes.rlg.org) and I'll summarize for the list. Responses by January 31? 1. Do you know how to change the font in your browser? ("Web page font" in Internet explorer, "Variable Width Font" in Netscape) 2. Have you changed the font? 3. If you have public Internet PCs, has the font been changed in those browsers? --and, as an entirely optional bonus question (the first three represent my primary concern)-- 4. If you have changed the font (or if the public PC font has been changed), what did you change it to? Comments welcome as always--and let me know if you'd rather not be quoted by name in a venue other than Web4Lib. -walt crawford, wcc@notes.rlg.org From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Tue Jan 15 17:09:17 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Font use in browsers--a clarification Message-ID: Some of the early answers to this mini-poll suggest that a slight clarification is needed: I mean the text font (more properly called typefaces, but consistently called "font" in browsers), not simply text size (as in larger, smaller, etc.) -wcc- ------Original message:------ A recent query on browser type sizes reminded me of something I've been wondering about for some time. Think of this as a mini-poll. Send answers directly to me (wcc@notes.rlg.org) and I'll summarize for the list. Responses by January 31? 1. Do you know how to change the font in your browser? ("Web page font" in Internet explorer, "Variable Width Font" in Netscape) 2. Have you changed the font? 3. If you have public Internet PCs, has the font been changed in those browsers? --and, as an entirely optional bonus question (the first three represent my primary concern)-- 4. If you have changed the font (or if the public PC font has been changed), what did you change it to? Comments welcome as always--and let me know if you'd rather not be quoted by name in a venue other than Web4Lib. -walt crawford, wcc@notes.rlg.org From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Tue Jan 15 17:11:09 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Font use in browsers: a clarification Message-ID: Let me clarify my earlier mini-poll: I'm interested in the text font (the right word is typeface, but browsers call it "font"), not just the type size (e.g. smaller, larger). Thanks! -wcc- __________________ A recent query on browser type sizes reminded me of something I've been wondering about for some time. Think of this as a mini-poll. Send answers directly to me (wcc@notes.rlg.org) and I'll summarize for the list. Responses by January 31? 1. Do you know how to change the font in your browser? ("Web page font" in Internet explorer, "Variable Width Font" in Netscape) 2. Have you changed the font? 3. If you have public Internet PCs, has the font been changed in those browsers? --and, as an entirely optional bonus question (the first three represent my primary concern)-- 4. If you have changed the font (or if the public PC font has been changed), what did you change it to? Comments welcome as always--and let me know if you'd rather not be quoted by name in a venue other than Web4Lib. -walt crawford, wcc@notes.rlg.org From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Tue Jan 15 17:27:39 2002 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB]Technical question References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114140755.023e9a70@lindahall.org> Message-ID: <3C44ACDB.918A8339@students.uiuc.edu> Ok, troops, here is one of those technical questions I need help with periodically: I am setting up a bunch of 486's for tear-down/re-build for a library school class. The only problem is a persistence in loss of the A drive -- four out of the six do not recognize the A drive -- swap out a drives, swap out cables, get a seek error message when booting the machine; tried changing the setup to 720's -- no luck. These are all the same machine, getting the same error, which leads me to believe it is a set-up issue in some way, other than just all the connectors on the mother board for the a drives has gone bad ... Any thoughts? Joyce -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us Tue Jan 15 19:06:12 2002 From: king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: echnical question In-Reply-To: <3C44ACDB.918A8339@students.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Joyce, Could it be a BIOS error? Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Joyce M. Latham wrote: > > Ok, troops, here is one of those technical questions I need help with > periodically: > > I am setting up a bunch of 486's for tear-down/re-build for a library > school class. The only problem is a persistence in loss of the A drive > -- four out of the six do not recognize the A drive -- swap out a > drives, swap out cables, get a seek error message when booting the > machine; tried changing the setup to 720's -- no luck. These are all > the same machine, getting the same error, which leads me to believe it > is a set-up issue in some way, other than just all the connectors on the > mother board for the a drives has gone bad ... > > Any thoughts? > > Joyce > > -- > Joyce M. Latham > GSLIS -- University of Illinois > > "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is > only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi > From adoribull at surfree.com Wed Jan 16 00:46:26 2002 From: adoribull at surfree.com (Dorothy Wheeler) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Help! Message-ID: <005201c19e51$23bfda80$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Help I can't figure out how to unsubscribe from this list. Thanks for any help on this issue ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 08:17:41 2002 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: Live Online Meeting to Recap Virtual Reference Programs at ALA Midwinter Message-ID: <20020117131741.85834.qmail@earthlink.net> Friends and colleagues This is for all of you virtual reference librarians out there and those of you who are interested in becoming one. We know you can?t all be here in New Orleans, as much as you might want to be ? the temperature is a balmy 65 degrees, the food?s wonderful and the people are friendly --- and they are having some interesting programs about virtual reference at ALA Midwinter. Now, we?re sorry, but there is not too much we can do to bring you the food (nothing like a soggy beignet, right?), or the weather but we don?t think you should have to miss out on the information too. So here?s what we?re going to do. We are going to send two of our intrepid librarian reporters out to attend several of the more interesting presentation and then report back to you all on what was said and done here . Michelle Fiander, one of the world?s most experienced virtual reference librarians and manager of LSSI?s 24/7 Web Reference Center will be attending ?We Deliver! Bringing Live Reference to Our Users" which features the following speakers: Matt Marsteller, Carnegie Mellon University, Nancy O'Neill, Santa Monica Public Library, and Susan Wolf Neilson, North Carolina State University, discussing their experiences in choosing a virtual reference product. It is sponsored by the RUSA MARS Products & Services Committee And Kay Henshall, LSSI?s Head Trainer, and another virtual reference librarian par excellence, will be attending ?Care and Feeding of the Virtual Librarian" Discussion Forum on Training and Support of Chat Reference Staff? which is described as ?While enthusiastically embracing new and emerging virtual reference technologies, how do we help librarians make the transition and how do we ensure quality service?? It is sponsored by the MARS Education, Training and Support and Managers of Electronic Reference Services committees. Both Kay and Michelle will be reporting back to you in an open online meeting that we?re calling Live from New Orleans --- which will be held Monday, January 21 at 2 pm Central (that?s 3 pm Eastern, 1 pm Mountain, and 12 noon Pacific). Kay and Michelle will begin by sharing some of the more important points from both of these programs, and then we will open it up to a general discussion among everybody online. So join us on Monday, January 21st for Live From New Orleans and see if you agree with what your colleagues are saying down here and what you might be able to add to it. To join this special live online meeting, simply go to www.lssi.com/virtual and click on the Live from New Orleans button, then follow instructions for logging on to the Live From New Orleans We hope to see you all there. And for those of you who can't make it, a full transcript of the meeting will be posted on the Web shortly after we wrap it up. Virtually yours, SC -- From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 17 09:01:01 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] back button In-Reply-To: <3C44980C.379679EC@mbl.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020117085845.00ca80a0@pop.cwru.edu> I understand porn sites do this all the time. Close your office door some day and visit a couple to fine one that does this. Then, have a look at their page code. That said, the fact that this technique is used by porn sites should tell you something about whether you should continue considering it. Keith At 04:05 PM 1/15/2002, you wrote: >Hi, > >Here's a question that came up at work today. Is it possible to set a >parameter in a web page that dictates where the browser will go when the >user hits the "back" button? > >Thank you, >Amy > > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Jan 17 09:09:54 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Security on circulating wireless laptop computers In-Reply-To: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A7917AC@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> Message-ID: The patron has to sign a contract that holds him or her responsible for the total replacement cost of the machine if it is not returned as scheduled. This is a fine just like an overdue book so we can bill this against their University Account if they don't pay. That means they cannot receive a degree, transcript, or sign up for the next semester until the fine is paid. As of yet, we have not found a viable product to use on notebooks that will set off our 3m security gate alarm. We use HDD Sheriff on the laptops. HDD Sheriff checks for any changes to the hard drive on boot. If any changes are found HDD Sheriff rewrites our original setup image to the harddrive. Testing it, I used the deltree command to delete the Windows directory after booting into DOS Commandline only. On reboot it took about 30-60 seconds before the Windows Desktop came up. To make any changes to the computer, you have to boot up with a hardware key attached to the printer port. Each computer can only use the hardware key that was attached to it when HD Sheriff was installed, you can't interchange the keys. http://www.hdd-sheriff.com/ Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Lele, Pradeep Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Security on circulating wireless laptop computers How are libraries handling security on the wireless laptops that you check out to students in the library? Are you using a software solution like DeepFreeze? or are you simply "ghosting" the laptops on return? We are in the process of introducing this service but are concerned about critical files being deleted... of course not to mention "other" usual concerns like - "unpalatable" images :) Pradeep Lele Reference/Information Technology Librarian North Harris College Houston, TX 77073 Tel: 281 618 7123 From DobbsA at apsu.edu Thu Jan 17 10:27:49 2002 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: back button Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EBFC@exchange.apsu.edu> Well, that was a fun little excersise (bleck) Most of the code I saw was java or perl which basically said On Exit open this url in a new window (several alternate syntax entries, so I put it in english) (several iterations of this command existed so you got plenty of pop up & under windows) also they used redirects with a wait setting of 0 (zero) so when you click "Back" you are immedeately redircted to the page you were just on. You can use the history list (NS, &c) of the dropdown "Back" list in IE to get out of it but you still get plenty o' popups. I pity me when "they" come to check cookies on my machine -grimace- -Aaron :-)' -----Original Message----- From: Keith Higgs [mailto:dkh2@po.cwru.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: back button I understand porn sites do this all the time. Close your office door some day and visit a couple to fine one that does this. Then, have a look at their page code. That said, the fact that this technique is used by porn sites should tell you something about whether you should continue considering it. Keith At 04:05 PM 1/15/2002, you wrote: >Hi, > >Here's a question that came up at work today. Is it possible to set a >parameter in a web page that dictates where the browser will go when the >user hits the "back" button? > >Thank you, >Amy > > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From ed.kukulka at fairfaxcounty.gov Thu Jan 17 11:12:56 2002 From: ed.kukulka at fairfaxcounty.gov (ed.kukulka@fairfaxcounty.gov) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: Cataloging Volunteer Opportunities Message-ID: <890030663D28D411926F00D0B76959880241FE91@ffxex09.co.fairfax.va.us> Bookshare.org has two volunteer positions it seeks to fill. Your help getting the word out would be greatly appreciated! Anyone who is interested should respond to volunteer@bookshare.org. MARC format consultant Bookshare.org seeks volunteer assistance from someone with expertise in the MARC 21 format who can help us define MARC records that meet our collection's needs. Your expertise will add tremendous value to a project that will provide many visually impaired and dyslexic individuals with increased access to books. You can help us from wherever you are located -- there is no need to physically visit our offices in Palo Alto, California. The commitment is likely to be a total number of hours (our estimate is in the range of 15-30) rather than a certain length of time. . Position Summary: Define MARC records to meet the collection needs of Bookshare.org, and assist Bookshare.org in outlining the translation of current metadata to the MARC 21 format. Qualifications: Expertise in the MARC 21 format. Prior experience in MARC record translations. A desire to increase access to books for people with disabilities. Length of Commitment Estimate: 1-2 months Time Commitment Estimate: 1-3 hours/week Desired Start Date: As soon as available MARC record catalogers We are looking for volunteer assistance from catalogers on an ongoing basis to convert Bookshare.org records to MARC format. This project will greatly increase the searchability and usability of the books for our members. Individuals can help from their own location via email and the Internet, or from our offices in Palo Alto, CA. The opportunity will be available by March of 2002. Position Summary: Convert records into the MARC 21 format, using a template clearly defined by Bookshare.org and subject headings from the Library of Congress. Qualifications: Expertise in the MARC 21 format. Prior experience in MARC cataloging, including cataloging of digital resources such as books. High level of comfort with MARC records and the LoC Subject Headings. Length of Commitment Estimate: 1-2 month minimum; ongoing project Time Involvement Estimate: TBD; flexible Desired Start Date: February or March, 2002 Project Summary Bookshare.org is an online collection of digital books that will dramatically increase access to literacy for people who are blind, dyslexic or have other print disabilities. The collection size is currently around 10,000, but is expected to increase rapidly after the service launches in February, 2002. You can find more information at www.bookshare.org. Bookshare.org is a project of Benetech, a nonprofit organization. From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Jan 17 12:39:58 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: This Week in ResearchBuzz #165 -- January 17, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117123954.00a60030@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, Following are the topics covered in ResearchBuzz. Click on the link underneath each title to go directly to the news item. Tara -- ** The New Northern Light http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#thenew ** Utah UCC Records http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#utahucc ** Yahoo Teams Up With Northern Light for Premium Document Search http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#yahooteams ** Diving From the Sky http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#divingfrom ** New ResearchBuzz Wire Available http://www.researchbuzz.com/rbuzzwire.html ** Alternatives to Northern Light http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#alternativesto ** Political Graveyard http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#politicalgraveyard ** Ask Jeeves Integrates Teoma Technology Into Search Engine http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#askjeeves ** A Huge Database/Search Engine for Video Gamers http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan10jan1602.html#ahuge From eric at openly.com Thu Jan 17 13:45:25 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: back button In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20020117085845.00ca80a0@pop.cwru.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20020117085845.00ca80a0@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: At 6:01 AM -0800 1/17/02, Keith Higgs wrote: >I understand porn sites do this all the time. Close your office door some >day and visit a couple to fine one that does this. Then, have a look at >their page code. > >That said, the fact that this technique is used by porn sites should tell >you something about whether you should continue considering it. > >Keith Porn sites are consistently introducing new technology, most of which subsequently gets used by mainstream publishers. Pop-unders are one good example. The exit maze that porn sites use today will get used tomorrow by mainstream sites (perhaps for user authentication or certificate transfer rather than for scum-pushing, but still...). I've seen porn sites which devote more html code to metadata (both keyword and PICS) and linking (dynamic, static, etc.) than 99% of sites produced by library information providers. Let's hope that these technologies WILL get adopted, whatever their heritage. Linking and metadata help these sites make money, or they wouldn't do it. In a related topic, I think the function that the original question was looking for is provided by the html link (next,previous) tag, which has unfortunately not been implemented in the most popular browsers. See Thomas Dowling's post on the subject: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0107/0052.html Eric -- Eric Hellman please visit our table at Midwinter ALA in New Orleans! Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From kiehl at hawaii.edu Thu Jan 17 18:43:54 2002 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- January 2002 Message-ID: Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf- January 2002 The January 2002 edition of Peter's Digital Reference Shelf is now available on the Gale Group website. This month Peter reviews: 1) The Bloomsbury Research Center, a decent ready reference collection with indecently poor software, and 2) 50states.com, a very good example of the essence of Web-based reference services. These in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. His column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/reference.htm See the Archives for databases previously reviewed: The Top 10 of Everything Xrefer.com PubList Ulrich's International Periodicals Profusion Cultural Profiles Project Columbia World of Quotations Yahoo! Reference Atomica 2.1 DealTime.com Expedia Travelocity CyberAtlas Penguin New English Dictionary ADAM Medical Encyclopedia Comparative Religions on File Adflip Canadian Encyclopedia Online Awesome Library Librarian's Index to the Internet TechEncyclopedia Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary Artcylopedia Sports Rules on File Nolo Law Dictionary Nolo Legal Encyclopedia CIA World Factbook 2000 GuruNet reference suite InteliHealth version of the Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary Columbia Dictionary of Quotations Nobel Prize List Zagat Survey Encyclopaedia of the Orient Bowker's Complete Video Directory Simpson's Contemporary Quotations Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online. New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com Grolier Multimedia Online Encyclopedia version 2 Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technology InfoNation Encarta Interactive World Atlas 2000 This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:58:51 2002 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:49 2005 Subject: Web blogger for library technology applications Message-ID: <20020118005851.97122.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> > Want to try a library technology web blog? If > so, > take a look at www.techusers.blogspot.com. This > is a new betatest of a multi-purpose library > technology web blog. Many library blogs or web logs > are great sources of news from an individual or > collection of individuals, or up-to-date information > on a topic > or collection of topics, but the purpose of this > library technology web blog is to theoretically > provide > a web portal/blog all in one which is collaborative > andinteractive, but it is also dependent upon its > members and participants for the reporting of late > breaking news, ideas, and applications. It is also a > place to ask questions about library technology in > general, with specific blogs for popular library > technology applications. > What is the difference between this and electronic > mailing lists that archive their postings? Since > this is a betatest, we want to see. For instance in > yahoogroups, you have to be a member to post and > to view the archive. With this, you have to be a > member to post, but not to view the site. If you > are > interested in trialing this, we have a general > library technology blog, one for live reference, > e-books, pdas and libraries, and library web blogs. > Please send an email to ilartsftech@yahoo.com > indicating your interest in participation and also > what > blogs,whether it is one or all, you would like to be > a > member of.In the next few days, you will then > receive > an invitation to join those blogs with instructions > on > how to join. > You are then ready to post! Thanks for trying > this and > happy blogging! > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Jan 20 07:42:13 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] windows that keep popping up Message-ID: <2.1-7354574-373-B-OEWW@ohiolink.edu> > For an experiment, I created a web page that causes a window to open when > closed... > > My question is how can this beast be controlled. 1. Disable JavaScript (or, in IE, disable it at least for the Internet security zone); or 2. Use a browser that allows you to disable pop-up windows. > Thomas Dowling OhioLINK tdowling@ohiolink.edu From scahilla at baypath.edu Mon Jan 21 01:00:47 2002 From: scahilla at baypath.edu (scahilla@baypath.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:50 2005 Subject: Sandra Cahillane/BPC is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 01/19/2002 and will not return until 01/27/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. From sfurman at fountaindale.lib.il.us Tue Jan 22 13:25:40 2002 From: sfurman at fountaindale.lib.il.us (Sue Furman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:51 2005 Subject: Children's games Web site difficulties Message-ID: Keywords: children's games web sites, plugins, Internet Explorer 5.5, Netscape 4.08, Win 9x If you don't deal with this area, you may delete now. Hello Friends - It is time for me to de-lurk and request input from all in Web4Lib land. I am confounded by an on-going inconsistency in using the following children's internet sites for games. FoxKids.com, zoogdisney.com, pbs.org, cartoonnetwork.com. Basically, sometimes they work, other times errors are given such as "Director player error - unable to find file" and "You need Flash (or Shockwave) to use this site" Here is my setup: I have a T1 line to the Internet. My internal network is 100mb/s. I'm running Cisco switches The PC's are Gateway and Dell brands, Pentium II, 266 to 350 MHz processors. All have 128MB of RAM. Internet Explorer 5.5, service pack 1, Netscape Navigator 4.08 and Microsoft Word97 are installed. Deep Freeze is used as the security software. The Gateway's are running Win98 SE, the Dell's are on Win95 B. Both brands experience the same problems. Plugins installed are: Java 1.3.1_01, Shockwave 8.5, G2 Real Player, SVG Adobe, Intertrust Redemption Certificate, QuickTime 5.0.1, Adobe Acrobat 5.0, Flash 5.0 r41, LiveAudio 1.1.1515, NPAVI32. There is no *one* certain time of day these sites don't work. All the error messages involve either some indication that one of the installed plugins is *not* installed or certain files cannot be found. Sometimes there is no message at all, the site seems to not be responding, but the upper right corner browser icon shows it's active. This can happen at 9AM or 4PM. One PC can be running a particular game, and the PC right next to it, running the same game, will error out. Sometimes a game will work on a PC and then an hour later, on the same PC, won't. Sometimes a game won't work on Internet Explorer, but will on Netscape or vice- versa. We are a Public Library, and our Chidren's Services staff feel it is important to offer these types of entertainment games sites for our youth. This type of service meets the mission statement and Internet usage policy of our library. Staff are becoming increasingly frustrated with me and our state of automation in general because the kids have difficulty using these sites. I'm baffled at what's happening. My questions are: 1. Do others experience these error messages on these sites? 2. Do I have all the plugins I need to run these sites? 3. What am I not seeing or doing right? 4. Does your library offer these type of games? If not, why, and what do you offer. Any insight you can offer will be gratefully accepted. I'm at wit's end. Thank you all. Sue Furman -- District Automation Coordinator -- Fountaindale Public Library District -- 300 W. Briarcliff Road, Bolingbrook, IL 60440. email: sfurman@fountaindale.lib.il.us voice: 630-759-2102 x20 fax: 630-759-9314 From kmkluttz at uark.edu Tue Jan 22 15:03:35 2002 From: kmkluttz at uark.edu (Kathryn M. Kluttz) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:51 2005 Subject: Basic tutorial for Windows? Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20020122134213.013321a8@mail.uark.edu> Hello, all, Some of our paraprofessional staff members here in Cataloging have been working here for many years and are accustomed to using a limited number of computer functions and programs for their work. As the all-graphical-all-the-time version of our cataloging software is about to descend upon us, we have found to our concern that some of these employees aren't very familiar with basic Windows usage, as they haven't needed it before (at least not very much). And the training sessions offered on campus are somewhat intimidating to those who want to move at a slower pace than the class. Does anyone know of a good basic tutorial for Windows that is available online? We are currently using Windows 2000, though I don't think the tutorial needs to be specific to this version. We have looked at the Help feature for Windows 2000 but didn't think it was really what we were looking for (we want something REALLY basic, preferably with lots of graphics and/or examples). Thanks so much for any help you can give, Kate Kluttz Special Formats Cataloger Mullins Library University of Arkansas Libraries Fayetteville, AR 72701 501-575-4810 kmkluttz@mail.uark.edu From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Tue Jan 22 15:10:06 2002 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Garwood, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Basic tutorial for Windows? Message-ID: Just don't let your staffs take the quiz at the very end (it'll confuse the heck out of me as this is still "live" for us)... http://www.camden.lib.nj.us/staffcomp/ We're in the same situation here as we migrate from DRA to Innovative Interfaces. :-) Feel free to use whatever is helpful Steve -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn M. Kluttz [mailto:kmkluttz@uark.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Basic tutorial for Windows? Hello, all, Some of our paraprofessional staff members here in Cataloging have been working here for many years and are accustomed to using a limited number of computer functions and programs for their work. As the all-graphical-all-the-time version of our cataloging software is about to descend upon us, we have found to our concern that some of these employees aren't very familiar with basic Windows usage, as they haven't needed it before (at least not very much). And the training sessions offered on campus are somewhat intimidating to those who want to move at a slower pace than the class. Does anyone know of a good basic tutorial for Windows that is available online? We are currently using Windows 2000, though I don't think the tutorial needs to be specific to this version. We have looked at the Help feature for Windows 2000 but didn't think it was really what we were looking for (we want something REALLY basic, preferably with lots of graphics and/or examples). Thanks so much for any help you can give, Kate Kluttz Special Formats Cataloger Mullins Library University of Arkansas Libraries Fayetteville, AR 72701 501-575-4810 kmkluttz@mail.uark.edu From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Jan 22 15:56:33 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: Northern Light Sold Message-ID: <050501c1a387$46431b40$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Another day means more news from Northern Light. Today, word that the company has been sold to divine, inc. News Release Highlights http://www.northernlight.com/docs/press_company_pr02_0122.html "CHICAGO/CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Jan. 22, 2002 - divine, inc., (Nasdaq: DVIN), a premier integrated solution provider focused on the extended enterprise, today announced that it has acquired certain assets of privately held Northern Light? Technology LLC, a leading provider of search and content integration solutions for enterprises, in an all-stock transaction. Terms of the deal were not disclosed."... "Merging content with the technologies that find and manage it is a logical next step in the development of content-related applications," said Susan Feldman, director of content and retrieval software research at IDC. "In the past year, divine has acquired content management vendors such as Eprise and Open Market, and information aggregators such as RoweCom and Sagemaker. Search was the missing piece. By closely integrating search and content management with a collection of high-quality information sources, divine offers enterprises a single point of entry into both their internal information sources and the external ones that are strategically necessary to their survival. Integrated solutions enable an enterprise to develop an integrated information strategy based on the particular needs and processes of their organization. Workflow, categorization, tagging, publishing, search, and information analysis can now become one seamless process that builds a strong foundation for knowledge work. divine now has a strong offering that will make other content-related software vendors and content aggregators sit up and take notice." See Also: "divine Buys Northern Light" (via Internet.Com) http://boston.internet.com/news/article/0,1928,2001_958791,00.html cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Jan 22 15:57:46 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: Northern Light Sold to divine Message-ID: <050d01c1a387$719cd2e0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Word that the company has been sold to divine, inc. News Release Highlights http://www.northernlight.com/docs/press_company_pr02_0122.html "CHICAGO/CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Jan. 22, 2002 - divine, inc., (Nasdaq: DVIN), a premier integrated solution provider focused on the extended enterprise, today announced that it has acquired certain assets of privately held Northern Light? Technology LLC, a leading provider of search and content integration solutions for enterprises, in an all-stock transaction. Terms of the deal were not disclosed."... "Merging content with the technologies that find and manage it is a logical next step in the development of content-related applications," said Susan Feldman, director of content and retrieval software research at IDC. "In the past year, divine has acquired content management vendors such as Eprise and Open Market, and information aggregators such as RoweCom and Sagemaker. Search was the missing piece. By closely integrating search and content management with a collection of high-quality information sources, divine offers enterprises a single point of entry into both their internal information sources and the external ones that are strategically necessary to their survival. Integrated solutions enable an enterprise to develop an integrated information strategy based on the particular needs and processes of their organization. Workflow, categorization, tagging, publishing, search, and information analysis can now become one seamless process that builds a strong foundation for knowledge work. divine now has a strong offering that will make other content-related software vendors and content aggregators sit up and take notice." See Also: "divine Buys Northern Light" (via Internet.Com) http://boston.internet.com/news/article/0,1928,2001_958791,00.html gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From tcroll at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 22 18:11:31 2002 From: tcroll at bigpond.net.au (Trevor Croll) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: An XML Data Editor Message-ID: <001201c1a39a$213e32e0$998c8890@qld.bigpond.net.au> I have developed an XML data Editor, It would be nice if some people who use XML could give me some feedback (preferably constructive on how to improve it) It is designed as an XML Data Editor, I make no effort to edit html or any other standard xml file, only data for ecommerce and filing. it is available for down load from here http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/tcroll/software/xmlnotetree/XMLNoteTreeHelp.htm Specifications here http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/tcroll/software/xmlnotetree/xmlnotetree.htm My home page here http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/tcroll/ Many thanks Trevor Croll ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From PO-Mailist at bl.uk Wed Jan 23 11:27:03 2002 From: PO-Mailist at bl.uk (PO-Mailist) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: Details of the IFLA 2002 Conference now available Message-ID: <5D6AD0E24C704645A0F1F1431B9F216131634E@staff-pc.bl.uk> Apologies for cross postings. Nobel Prize-winning poet Seamus Heaney and UK Children's Laureate Anne Fine will be special guest speakers at the 68th General Conference of the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA), to take place in Glasgow, Scotland from 18-24 August. Mr Heaney will deliver the opening lecture and novelist Anne Fine will be presenting a guest lecture. "For many of us, IFLA 2002 will be the most diverse and wide-ranging library and information event to take place in the UK during our professional lives," says National Organising Committee Co-Chair Ian McGowan. "The opportunity to take part, meet colleagues from all parts of the world and benefit from the perspective they bring to our professional concerns, learn from others and pass on what we have learned - all these make IFLA a top priority for hard-pressed conference and professional development budgets." With a conference theme 'Libraries for life: democracy, diversity, delivery', there is also a sub-theme 'Building on the past - investing in the future', which will provide a common thread for the plenary sessions, such as those to be addressed by Seamus Heaney and Anne Fine. "Satellite meetings will also reflect this theme," Mr McGowan says, "providing an opportunity to consider, for example, how librarians help young people to recognise when information is needed, and then how to find, evaluate and use it effectively." Social events will have a distinctively Scottish flavour, with receptions at Glasgow's newly opened Science Centre and Edinburgh's Museum of Scotland, and the option of a seat on the Edinburgh Castle esplanade for the Military Tattoo. For representatives of Carnegie libraries from around the world, a special programme will commemorate the Scottish-born philanthropist's extraordinary impact on public libraries. With a major international trade exhibition, visits to a wide variety of library and information centres in the central Belt of Scotland, and the staging of one of the largest ever meetings of mobile libraries, "it seems excessively modest to describe IFLA as a single event," Mr McGowan concludes. "In fact, many of IFLA's constituent parts could plausibly claim to be conferences in their own right." IFLA 2002 is doubly significant because it marks the 75th anniversary of the foundation of the Federation, in Edinburgh in 1927, and it also coincides with the 125th anniversary of the Library Association and the year of its unification with the Institute of Information Scientists to form CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals. Contact: Josche Neven IFLA HQ Tel: +(31) (70) 3140884 Email: josche.neven@ifla.nl Alison Minns UK Tel: + (44)(0)1273 643942 Email: aem@bton.ac.uk Notes Further information on IFLA can be found on its Website - www.ifla.org. Contact The Library Association at ifla@la-hq.org.uk for further details on the professional programme and practical information on registration and accommodation. The Library Association, which is managing the 2002 IFLA conference and exhibition on behalf of IFLA's National Organising Committee, is a major Membership body for library and information professionals with approaching 24,000 Members. In April, it unifies with the Institute of Information Scientists to form CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals. Further information is available on its Website - www.la-hq.org.uk. ********************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. ********************************************************************* From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Jan 23 13:56:19 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: APPC domain hijacked Message-ID: <200201231356.AA68747596@ansernet.rcls.org> This seems to be a notable instance of domain hijacking: Annenberg Public Policy Center http://www.appcpenn.org/ especially frustrating, since I need access to their report on online privacy! I think I know a good topic for their next public policy report... -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From msauers at bcr.org Wed Jan 23 14:30:19 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] APPC domain hijacked In-Reply-To: <200201231356.AA68747596@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: > This seems to be a notable instance of domain hijacking: > Annenberg Public Policy Center > http://www.appcpenn.org/ I received what looked like what I expected. Can you be more specific? "About the Annenberg Public Policy Center The Annenberg Public Policy Center was created in 1994 by publisher and philanthrophist Walter Annenberg to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania. more" ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Jan 23 14:31:31 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] APPC domain hijacked Message-ID: <200201231431.AA172425550@ansernet.rcls.org> OK, false alarm; but I don't understand enough about DNS to say why this happened. I just added another internal IP address to my DNS server search order, and now it works. But it DNS services were screwed up on the initial machine, why would it send me off to a domain name sales site? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Hugh Jarvis" Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:14:46 -0500 >Jerry, seems ok to me, no..? > > Hugh > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jerry Kuntz >Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:02 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] APPC domain hijacked > > > >This seems to be a notable instance of domain hijacking: >Annenberg Public Policy Center >http://www.appcpenn.org/ >especially frustrating, since I need access to their report on online >privacy! I think I know a good topic for their next public policy >report... > >-- >Jerry Kuntz >Electronic Resources Consultant >Ramapo Catskill Library System >jkuntz@rcls.org > >-- > > > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From lschlatt at smlnet.sml.lib.la.us Wed Jan 23 14:35:56 2002 From: lschlatt at smlnet.sml.lib.la.us (N. Lynn Schlatter) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] APPC domain hijacked Message-ID: Ummm, it works fine for me. I just clicked on the link in your e-mail. Perhaps the hijacking was just a momentary aberration. No, asking me why I clicked on a link that I was led to believe had been hijacked is not a polite question ;-). Lynn Schlatter Instructional Coordinator Shreve Memorial Library Shreveport, Louisiana http://www.shreve-lib.org > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jerry Kuntz > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] APPC domain hijacked > > > > This seems to be a notable instance of domain hijacking: > Annenberg Public Policy Center > http://www.appcpenn.org/ > especially frustrating, since I need access to their report on > online privacy! I think I know a good topic for their next public > policy report... > > -- > Jerry Kuntz > Electronic Resources Consultant > Ramapo Catskill Library System > jkuntz@rcls.org > > -- > From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jan 23 16:56:50 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: Wireless and Libraries Message-ID: <020701c1a458$dce8b4c0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> The new issue of Free Pint contains an article of possible interest about the use of wireless tech in libraries. Title: "Using Wireless Technology - where does the library fit in?" URL: http://www.freepint.com/issues/240102.htm#feature cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From tmills at lawrence.lib.ks.us Wed Jan 23 17:26:53 2002 From: tmills at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Tasmin R. Mills) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: Email Services Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123162328.009f93b0@qube.nekls.lib.ks.us> I am trying to find out if libraries are using email servers in-house, if they can access their email from any computer, and what particular software they are using. My director has just asked me to research the possibility of using a more robust email service, so that staff can check their email from anywhere. I know that Microsoft Exchange and Novell GroupWise are well known for this. Can anyone recommend something else or endorse either product? ANY Help would be greatly appreciated. trm ----------- Tasmin R. Mills Technology Coordinator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66049 785-843-3833, ext 106 785-843-3833, ext 124 (voice) 785-843-3688, (FAX) From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 23 18:58:45 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Email Services In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123162328.009f93b0@qube.nekls.lib.ks.us> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123162328.009f93b0@qube.nekls.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <195520509973.20020123165845@riverofdata.com> Under no conditions do you want Novell GroupWise. It is OK for a strictly internal system, and has some features that make it good for internal email in a large organization. However, it is an abomination for internet email. I can provide details to anyone who cares. dan, who is on a committee to find an alternative for Boise State Wednesday, January 23, 2002, 3:28:27 PM, you wrote: TRM> I am trying to find out if libraries are using email servers in-house, if TRM> they can access their email from any computer, and what particular software TRM> they are using. My director has just asked me to research the possibility TRM> of using a more robust email service, so that staff can check their email TRM> from anywhere. I know that Microsoft Exchange and Novell GroupWise are TRM> well known for this. Can anyone recommend something else or endorse either TRM> product? TRM> ANY Help would be greatly appreciated. TRM> trm TRM> ----------- TRM> Tasmin R. Mills TRM> Technology Coordinator TRM> Lawrence Public Library TRM> 707 Vermont Street TRM> Lawrence, KS 66049 TRM> 785-843-3833, ext 106 TRM> 785-843-3833, ext 124 (voice) TRM> 785-843-3688, (FAX) -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From tk at kent.edu Wed Jan 23 22:14:41 2002 From: tk at kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Email Services Message-ID: 1-23-02 If you can run it on NT/2000/XP you should take a look at iMail by Ipswitch. http://ipswitch.com/Products/messaging.html It's got a web interface for users, easy web admin, list admin, etc....pretty much a complete package. We run it and like it. And the pricing is very reasonable. And, you can add on the Declude virus filtering and spam filtering tools, too. http://www.declude.com/ Declude builds products that live happily with iMail. We have the virus filter, and it's already proven itself by grabbing thousands of viruses at the server, before they could work their way to the workstation. We're ordering the spam filter that lets you turn on spam filtering by user. In our judgment, this set of tools is about a $billion cheaper in terms of purchase price, support, and headaches than the alternatives you mention. Tom Klingler Kent State ///////////////////////////// >I am trying to find out if libraries are using email servers in-house, if >they can access their email from any computer, and what particular software >they are using. My director has just asked me to research the possibility >of using a more robust email service, so that staff can check their email >from anywhere. I know that Microsoft Exchange and Novell GroupWise are >well known for this. Can anyone recommend something else or endorse either >product? > >ANY Help would be greatly appreciated. > >trm >----------- > >Tasmin R. Mills >Technology Coordinator >Lawrence Public Library >707 Vermont Street >Lawrence, KS 66049 > >785-843-3833, ext 106 >785-843-3833, ext 124 (voice) >785-843-3688, (FAX) -- Tom Klingler Assistant Dean for Systems Libraries & Media Services LMS Systems Dept. Library, Room 383 Kent State University Kent, OH, USA 44242-0001 330-672-1646 voice 330-672-4811 fax From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 07:29:09 2002 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: In search of software Message-ID: <20020124122909.50541.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Hello! Is anyone aware of a piece of software where multiple users can publish instantly to the web which also has an e-mail notification feature for people who do not wish to check the web and also has an electronic list feature? I know yahoogroups archives postings and offers websites, but they are not publicly accessible; one must sign in to view it. It seems that most of the blogging software is for individuals instead of group posting and if it has multiple user posting options, it does not have the email notification feature. I am probably missing something that is out there. Thanks, Lori __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 24 08:46:45 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of software In-Reply-To: <20020124122909.50541.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124084059.00c8cda0@pop.cwru.edu> I see a lot of public bulletin boards using UltimateBB. You can get information at http://infopop.com/. Similarly, the software that runs Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/) one of the popular "news" sources for nerds is available and cheaper than a cup of coffee. It's an open source, GPL'd package called Slash. Information and source code available at http://slashcode.com/. Keith At 07:33 AM 1/24/2002, you wrote: >Hello! Is anyone aware of a piece of software where >multiple users can publish instantly to the web which >also has an e-mail notification feature for people who >do not wish to check the web and also has an >electronic list feature? I know yahoogroups archives >postings and offers websites, but they are not >publicly accessible; one must sign in to view it. It >seems that most of the blogging software is for >individuals instead of group posting and if it has >multiple user posting options, it does not have the >email notification feature. I am probably missing >something that is out there. Thanks, Lori > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Jan 24 08:52:49 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: This Week in ResearchBuzz #166 -- January 24, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124085234.00a8c620@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, Following are the headlines from this week's ResearchBuzz, issue #166 -- http://www.researchbuzz.com . The links beneath each headline lead directly to the article. * Cornell Gets Grant from Mellon Foundation to Digitize Its Catalog http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#cornellgets * Internet Scout Project gets Funded by the National Science Foundation http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#internetscout * Reader Request -- Almeth, Human Postures http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#readerrequest * Gallery of Monster Magazine Covers http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#galleryof * "Certain Assets" of Northern Light Acquired by divine http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#certainassets * Drugs.com Offers Pictorial Identification Guide for Pills http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#drugscomoffers * Camels Camels Camels Camels Camels http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#camelscamels * Search Engines Start Out with Olympics Coverage http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#searchengines * Randoming Around The Web http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan17jan2302.html#randomingaround From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 24 09:14:53 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Wireless and Libraries Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB52@mail1.morrisville.edu> Very interesting article. I will add it to the bibliography of libraries and wireless I maintain at my website, The Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Thu Jan 24 09:28:57 2002 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Email Services In-Reply-To: <195520509973.20020123165845@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <000201c1a4e3$76198540$14915fa5@tamut.edu> we run Linux Sendmail with a webmail program. we like the cost!! FREE! Works Great! Every student and employee has an email account. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Email Services Under no conditions do you want Novell GroupWise. It is OK for a strictly internal system, and has some features that make it good for internal email in a large organization. However, it is an abomination for internet email. I can provide details to anyone who cares. dan, who is on a committee to find an alternative for Boise State Wednesday, January 23, 2002, 3:28:27 PM, you wrote: TRM> I am trying to find out if libraries are using email servers in-house, if TRM> they can access their email from any computer, and what particular software TRM> they are using. My director has just asked me to research the possibility TRM> of using a more robust email service, so that staff can check their email TRM> from anywhere. I know that Microsoft Exchange and Novell GroupWise are TRM> well known for this. Can anyone recommend something else or endorse either TRM> product? TRM> ANY Help would be greatly appreciated. TRM> trm TRM> ----------- TRM> Tasmin R. Mills TRM> Technology Coordinator TRM> Lawrence Public Library TRM> 707 Vermont Street TRM> Lawrence, KS 66049 TRM> 785-843-3833, ext 106 TRM> 785-843-3833, ext 124 (voice) TRM> 785-843-3688, (FAX) -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From raywood at magma.ca Thu Jan 24 09:41:32 2002 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: In search of software In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124084059.00c8cda0@pop.cwru.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124084059.00c8cda0@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <20020124144132.GA16216@magma.ca> > At 07:33 AM 1/24/2002, you wrote: > >Hello! Is anyone aware of a piece of software where > >multiple users can publish instantly to the web which > >also has an e-mail notification feature for people who > >do not wish to check the web and also has an > >electronic list feature? I know yahoogroups archives > >postings and offers websites, but they are not > >publicly accessible; one must sign in to view it. It > >seems that most of the blogging software is for > >individuals instead of group posting and if it has > >multiple user posting options, it does not have the > >email notification feature. I am probably missing > >something that is out there. Thanks, Lori I researched 'forums' software for awhile, and came across what looked like a good one. I'm going by memory, but it was something like 'w-agora'. A google search should do the rest :) Cheers, Raymond From limgo at LIB.TTU.EDU Thu Jan 24 09:47:37 2002 From: limgo at LIB.TTU.EDU (Marina Oliver) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: FW: re Tax form access Message-ID: <002101c1a4e6$116130a0$0100007f@LibLibrary> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rohrig [mailto:liroh@LIB.TTU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:07 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Cc: liroh@LIB.TTU.EDU; limgo@LIB.TTU.EDU Subject: re Tax form access My colleague at Texas Tech suggested I weigh in on the tax forms question since we have participated so many years. Like yourselves, we provide access in many different formats, e.g. paper, online link from our Documents webpage, Reproducible forms at our Documents/Maps Reference Desk, and the Tax Products cd-rom loaded on our Documents CD-ROM workstation. The link to our website is In addition, I have found some other actions are useful in spreading the word to patrons of our services. 1. Email this information out to the distribution list for our local library association , e.g. Lubbock Area Library Association. 2. Email this information to our Communication outreach person so that it can be posted on our "News" section of our library' website www.lib.ttu.edu Finally, our Library' experience in the past couple of years is that people use the paper and online most frequently and rarely ever use the Reproducibles or the CD-ROM workstation. These latter two are most useful as back-ups when our paper copies are gone and the Internet is unavailable. Certainly, this is one of the best public relations programs our Library has as people have come to expect this service over the years. Tom Rohrig liroh@lib.ttu.edu Texas Tech University Libraries Lubbock, Texas 79409-0002 From dmoser at Lee.Edu Thu Jan 24 09:32:46 2002 From: dmoser at Lee.Edu (Moser, Dennis) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of software Message-ID: <8F497E280916D4119B0100A0C9EA53E786429B@LEONARDO> Userland's Manila will allow group editing and posting with email notification. One must "join" to receive the email, however. Dennis Moser, MILS Project Director, IMLS National Leadership Grant Digital Imaging Faculty Lee College P.O. Box 818, Baytown, TX 77522-0818 (281)425-6819/(281)425-6557 (fax) dmoser@lee.edu > ---------- > From: Lori Bell > Reply To: lbell927@yahoo.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 06:33 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of software > > Hello! Is anyone aware of a piece of software where > multiple users can publish instantly to the web which > also has an e-mail notification feature for people who > do not wish to check the web and also has an > electronic list feature? I know yahoogroups archives > postings and offers websites, but they are not > publicly accessible; one must sign in to view it. It > seems that most of the blogging software is for > individuals instead of group posting and if it has > multiple user posting options, it does not have the > email notification feature. I am probably missing > something that is out there. Thanks, Lori > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 24 11:18:36 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB58@mail1.morrisville.edu> I have a question on using mouseovers. I would like to be able to provide an area in part of the web page that changes when I move the mouse over a link. I am not after using rollover graphics. I want to do text. How would I do this using Dreamweaver? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Thu Jan 24 12:34:33 2002 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: Resetting monitor out of frequency tolerance References: <020701c1a458$dce8b4c0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C5045A9.33137465@billings.lib.mt.us> Hi, folks! This one I don't know who to ask exactly. Someone reset the refresh frequency on one of the monitors on a PAC station to 93Hz, which is outside the monitor's tolerance range (max 90Hz). Consequently, it now automatically shuts down right after the blue boot up screen before Windows opens. I've tried a couple older monitors, in hopes they are more tolerant, but no such luck. If I could get to the Windows desktop, I could easily reset the refresh frequency, but I can't get there. It's very frustrating. Any suggestions? Please? Lynne -- L. E. Puckett Reference & Electronic Systems Librarian Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings MT 59101 406-657-8258 From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Jan 24 12:09:56 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Resetting monitor out of frequency tolerance References: <3C5045A9.33137465@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <009901c1a4f9$f258c380$e84ae980@Gollum> > This one I don't know who to ask exactly. Someone reset the refresh > frequency on one of the monitors on a PAC station to 93Hz, which is > outside the monitor's tolerance range (max 90Hz). Consequently, it now > automatically shuts down right after the blue boot up screen before > Windows opens. I've tried a couple older monitors, in hopes they are > more tolerant, but no such luck. If I could get to the Windows desktop, > I could easily reset the refresh frequency, but I can't get there. It's > very frustrating. Any suggestions? Please? > Lynne Depends on the operating system. If it's Win 9x/Me boot in Safe Mode (try pressing F8 a couple of times as the machine starts, around the time you see the "Staring Windows" text message). If it's NT/2000/XP, then I think there's a "Start VGA Mode" at boot time (I could check exactly what it says, but then I'd have to reboot and I don't really feel like it right now :) Once booted up in VGA/Safe Mode you can reset things like the resolution, refresh rate etc etc. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 24 12:13:03 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB5B@mail1.morrisville.edu> What I actually meant was something like a part of the page set off to the right as an information window that changed as I scrolled over links on the left side of the page. I don't want the appearance of the links to change. Bill Drew From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Jan 24 12:25:58 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB5B@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124122523.01df3208@mail.rpi.edu> Like this? http://www.lib.rpi.edu/ -kb At 09:17 AM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: >What I actually meant was something like a part of the page set off to the >right as an information window that changed as I scrolled over links on the >left side of the page. I don't want the appearance of the links to change. > >Bill Drew _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From rcripe at dupagels.lib.il.us Thu Jan 24 12:47:06 2002 From: rcripe at dupagels.lib.il.us (Ron Cripe) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB58@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Try this: Changing text

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ron Cripe Systems Manager DuPage Library System 127 South First Street Geneva, IL 60134 Voice: 630-232-8457 x210 Fax: 630-232-0699 Email: rcripe@dupagels.lib.il.us Website: http://www.dupagels.lib.il.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers I have a question on using mouseovers. I would like to be able to provide an area in part of the web page that changes when I move the mouse over a link. I am not after using rollover graphics. I want to do text. How would I do this using Dreamweaver? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 24 13:13:01 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB58@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124130545.00c67bd8@pop.cwru.edu> If I'm reading this correctly - you want the color of the link text to change when the user rolls the mouse over the link. Simple - You use a pseudo-class for anchors in your style sheet. This is used in my online introduction to CSS at http://www.cwru.edu/UL/KSLearn/IntrodCSS/multipage.html. Keith At 11:26 AM 1/24/2002, you wrote: >I have a question on using mouseovers. I would like to be able to provide >an area in part of the web page that changes when I move the mouse over a >link. I am not after using rollover graphics. I want to do text. How >would I do this using Dreamweaver? > > >Wilfred (Bill) Drew >Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference >SUNY Morrisville College Library >E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu >BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ >Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ >Library: http://library.morrisville.edu >Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ >SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 24 13:17:29 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124122523.01df3208@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124131427.00c66fe8@pop.cwru.edu> Great, except it doesn't work in Mozilla or Netscape 6. I've been having this one pounded into me lately: "Never force a user to use a client browser they loathe." I admit it freely, I'm still working on this myself. Keith At 12:31 PM 1/24/2002, you wrote: >Like this? http://www.lib.rpi.edu/ > >-kb > >Kevin W. Bishop >Communication & Collaboration Technologies >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > | D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From djolley at gardner-webb.edu Thu Jan 24 13:04:14 2002 From: djolley at gardner-webb.edu (Daniel Jolley) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: Fw: [WEB4LIB] Resetting monitor out of frequency tolerance Message-ID: <003801c1a501$88bd1d10$010c2c98@gardnerwebb.edu> I had a similar problem with the resolution settings on an NT workstation. The startup screen had been set not to display the menu letting me start up in VGA mode. What I had to do was go to another machine, figure out the keystrokes needed to get to my display settings and make the change, and then "work blind" on the problem machine in order to get those settings back to normal. In my case, even though I only saw the message "out of range" on the screen, I was still able to sign on and get to what I needed via keystrokes. Dan Jolley Systems Manager Dover Memorial Library Gardner-Webb University Boiling Springs, North Carolina 704-406-4297 ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. E. Puckett" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Resetting monitor out of frequency tolerance > Hi, folks! > This one I don't know who to ask exactly. Someone reset the refresh > frequency on one of the monitors on a PAC station to 93Hz, which is > outside the monitor's tolerance range (max 90Hz). Consequently, it now > automatically shuts down right after the blue boot up screen before > Windows opens. I've tried a couple older monitors, in hopes they are > more tolerant, but no such luck. If I could get to the Windows desktop, > I could easily reset the refresh frequency, but I can't get there. It's > very frustrating. Any suggestions? Please? > Lynne > > -- > L. E. Puckett > Reference & Electronic Systems Librarian > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings MT 59101 > 406-657-8258 From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Jan 24 13:53:34 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124131427.00c66fe8@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124135030.01e0ce58@mail.rpi.edu> No, it doesn't work in those browsers/versions. The information is still accessible, however. The user of those browsers miss seeing the list of links up front but they can click on the link to retrieve that list (whereas others can "mouseover"). In any case ... not my site. Not a big JavaScript fan, -kb At 10:20 AM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Great, except it doesn't work in Mozilla or Netscape 6. > >I've been having this one pounded into me lately: "Never force a user to >use a client browser they loathe." I admit it freely, I'm still working on >this myself. > >Keith > >At 12:31 PM 1/24/2002, you wrote: > > >Like this? http://www.lib.rpi.edu/ > > > >-kb > > > >Kevin W. Bishop > >Communication & Collaboration Technologies > >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > > | > >D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com >Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library >More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html >"'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Thu Jan 24 14:34:15 2002 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124135030.01e0ce58@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <3C5061B7.2F5D8782@cdrewu.edu> "Kevin W. Bishop" wrote: > No, it doesn't work in those browsers/versions. The information is still > accessible, however. The user of those browsers miss seeing the list of > links up front but they can click on the link to retrieve that list > (whereas others can "mouseover"). I tried the RPI site using LYNX (text only browser) and all the same links that were in the mouseover thingy showed up as one long, long list.... -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu Thu Jan 24 14:54:21 2002 From: Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu (Jamane Yeager) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: calendars for web site Message-ID: I'm trying to find a calendar for our library web page, that can be updated when the library hours change. I've looked at some on the web, but was hoping to find a free one, if possible. Any help would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------- Jamane Yeager Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian Elon University (336) 278-6576 From strenard at vub.ac.be Thu Jan 24 15:01:02 2002 From: strenard at vub.ac.be (Stefaan Renard) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <200201242001.VAA04738@mach.vub.ac.be> >I have a question on using mouseovers. I would like to be able to provide >an area in part of the web page that changes when I move the mouse over a >link. I am not after using rollover graphics. I want to do text. How >would I do this using Dreamweaver? We have done something like that on our menu pages see http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/index_en.html It works with most browsers: it uses show/hide layers behaviors on mouseovers. You should use DW4 to generate the javascript, since the javascript produced by DW3 will not work in Netscape 6 Best regards, Stefaan --------------------------- stefaan.renard@vub.ac.be http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/ 02/629.37.04 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 24 15:14:35 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB5E@mail1.morrisville.edu> Is there an easy set of instructions or way to do the show/hide layers using DW4 to accomplish what I want? Any plug and play? BillDrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefaan Renard [mailto:strenard@vub.ac.be] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Cc: drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU > Subject: re:[WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers > > > >I have a question on using mouseovers. I would like to be > able to provide > >an area in part of the web page that changes when I move the > mouse over a > >link. I am not after using rollover graphics. I want to do > text. How > >would I do this using Dreamweaver? > > We have done something like that on our menu pages > > see http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/index_en.html > > It works with most browsers: it uses show/hide layers > behaviors on mouseovers. You should use DW4 to generate the > javascript, since the javascript produced by DW3 will not > work in Netscape 6 > > Best regards, > Stefaan > > --------------------------- > stefaan.renard@vub.ac.be > http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/ > 02/629.37.04 > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 24 15:13:10 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendars for web site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jamane, We use the Calendar program from Matt Kruse. It's easy for staff to use and we post all of our programs, closing dates, etc. on it. From our server logs, it is a very popular stop on our web site. You can get the script here: http://www.calendarscript.com/ This is a new version of the script. We are using an older version which was available free. Still, from my experience with Matt's scripts, it is probably worth the low-cost. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Jamane Yeager wrote: > I'm trying to find a calendar for our library web page, that can be > updated when the library hours change. I've looked at some on the web, > but was hoping to find a free one, if possible. Any help would be > appreciated. > > ---------------------------------------- > Jamane Yeager > Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu > Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian > Elon University > (336) 278-6576 > From missplumeau at earthlink.net Thu Jan 24 15:49:53 2002 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB58@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124152807.009ffec0@127.0.0.1> In Dreamweaver, you will need to place all the texts in layers use the layer visibility palette and the "set text of layer" behavior. I have created a simple sample of text only rollover at www.helenebardinet.com/rolover.htm. If you prefer, here is the code, just copy and paste it in a new Dreamweaver document. I also strongly recommend p516 of Dreamweaver H.O.T. by Lynda Weinman and Garo Green. One of the trick is to "fool" Dreamweaver into making a "false link with the rollover text by making a "#" link (some text) Let me know how you fare! Helene text that's going to generate the rollover in the yellow box When you mouse over the blue box, this text will change You are rolling over the text in the blue box From tk at kent.edu Thu Jan 24 15:55:29 2002 From: tk at kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendars for web site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:54 AM -0800 1/24/02, Jamane Yeager wrote: >I'm trying to find a calendar for our library web page, that can be >updated when the library hours change. I've looked at some on the web, >but was hoping to find a free one, if possible. Any help would be >appreciated. > >---------------------------------------- >Jamane Yeager >Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu >Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian >Elon University >(336) 278-6576 ======== 1-24-02 Here's a (not current) list of calendar products/resources I was looking at a while ago: http://webcalendar.sourceforge.net/ Web Calendars http://www.ecompany.com/articles/mag/print/0,1643,5795,00.html Yahoo http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Event Calendar Generator http://www.inet-images.com/manny/evt1htm.htm Grafix NetCalendar http://netproducts.grafix-net.com (working example: http://www.library.appstate.edu/calendar/ell/) WebEvent http://www.MatadorDesign.com/WebEvent/ (working example: http://hml.org/CHIS/) HTML Calendar http://www.htmlcal.com http://www.zdnet.com/swlib/ and search on 'html calendar'. http://www.millenniumoffice.com/calendar/ http://www.crosswind.com/ http://www.meetingmaker6.com/ http://www.ice-network.com/iaCalendarE/iaCalendarE.htm http://www.cst.ca/ http://www.irenaissance.com/products/calendar_central.html http://www.iplanet.com/products/infrastructure/messaging/ics/index.html http://www.envicon.com/e/cyberscheduler/index.html http://www.timecruiser.com/timecruiser2/timecruiser.html http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/glcomputing/notes/afn20-main.htm http://www.resource-dynamics.com/tmcal.htm http://extradesk.com/ http://www.enterprisesoft.com/ http://www.microsoft.com/office/outlook/default.htm http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/outlook/default.htm http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/inotes http://home.netscape.com/calendar/ http://www.calendars.net MetaEvents http://www.metaevents.com/ Calendars Net http://www.calendars.net/ Julian Web Calendar http://julian.lights.com/ eTango.com http://www.etango.com/ Yahoo's Business Essentials http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/smallbusiness/solutions/communicate.html Access Magazine (review): http://www.accessmagazine.com/reviews/inprint/inprint.jsp#OnlineOrganizers Corporate Time http://www.steltor.com/index.cfm -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Assistant Dean for Systems Libraries & Media Services Library, Room 383 Kent State University Kent, OH. U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-1646 330-672-4811(fax) tk@kent.edu From missplumeau at earthlink.net Thu Jan 24 16:02:12 2002 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124155912.00a01ec0@127.0.0.1> Ooops, sorry about that, the code didn't make it in my previous email. you can get it at www.helenebardinet.com/rollover.htm. I strongly recomment H.O.T. for a good tutorial in Dreamweaver! Helene From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Thu Jan 24 16:03:53 2002 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E19C@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> http://www.javascripts.com Here you will find a multitude of javascripts incl. mouseover scripts. The site will show the code as well as a working demo Hope this is useful Jodi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Deja Brew: The feeling you've had this coffee before" > -----Original Message----- > From: Helene Bardinet [mailto:missplumeau@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 09:57 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Question on mouseovers > > > In Dreamweaver, you will need to place all the texts in > layers use the > layer visibility palette and the "set text of layer" behavior. I have > created a simple sample of text only rollover at > www.helenebardinet.com/rolover.htm. If you prefer, here is > the code, just > copy and paste it in a new Dreamweaver document. I also > strongly recommend > p516 of Dreamweaver H.O.T. by Lynda Weinman and Garo Green. > One of the > trick is to "fool" Dreamweaver into making a "false link with > the rollover > text by making a "#" link (some text) Let me know how you fare! Helene > text that's going to generate the rollover in the yellow box > When you mouse over the blue box, this text will change > You are rolling over the text in the blue box > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jan 24 16:37:02 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124163429.02264510@ohiolink.edu> [Apologies if this goes out twice. I seem to have activated Eudora's clever "Don't actually send this" filter on some mail.] >>Like this? http://www.lib.rpi.edu/ At 01:20 PM 1/24/2002, Keith Higgs wrote: >Great, except it doesn't work in Mozilla or Netscape 6. Or Opera 6. This is going to be the bane of thousands upon thousands of scripts: if (document.layers) { // You're Netscape 4 } else if (document.all) { // You're IE 4+ } else { // Too bad for you } These days, there really needs to be a test for the W3C DOM. I'm not an expert, but what I copied and pasted from Those Who Know is a test for document.getElementsByTagName("*")--excluding Netscape 4, which apparently claims wrongly to understand this. To the RPI page's credit, it works just fine if Javascript is disabled, or doesn't answer to either document.layers or document.all. You just don't get to see the rollover effect. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From loftus at uthscsa.edu Thu Jan 24 20:20:27 2002 From: loftus at uthscsa.edu (Loftus, Wayne) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers Message-ID: <13FE14AE606FD311B7C600902798CF7FAC603C@libmail.uthscsa.edu> This is not a particularly practical solution, but if you're at all moved by bleeding edge CSS layouts, you might be interested to know this can be done entirely without JavaScript. Eric Meyers, who wrote O'Reilly's "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide", has an example over here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html Don't even bother checking to see if it will work in Netscape 4.x - the results might scar you for life. Best, -Wayne Wayne A. Loftus ph: (210) 567-2400 Microcomputer Services / fx: (210) 567-2490 Reference Librarian loftus@uthscsa.edu UTHSCSA Library - MSC 7940 http://www.library.uthscsa.edu 7703 Floyd Curl Drive San Antonio, TX 78229-3900 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin W. Bishop [mailto:bishopk@rpi.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers Like this? http://www.lib.rpi.edu/ -kb At 09:17 AM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: >What I actually meant was something like a part of the page set off to the >right as an information window that changed as I scrolled over links on the >left side of the page. I don't want the appearance of the links to change. > >Bill Drew _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Fri Jan 25 02:30:51 2002 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:53 2005 Subject: Reformatting Serials Solution journal lists Message-ID: <1011943851.3c5109abe877d@webmail.manhattan.edu> Up until this past fall, we had a web based in-house consolidated list of our print and electronic serials. Updating it was a bit of a PITA, so we signed up for Serials Solutions services. Serials Solutions now takes care of updating, but they also discard some of our local holdings note fields. Also, our html presentation of the journal list was considerably different from the default format Serials Solutions provides, and we preferred to continue using our format (or something close to it.) I have been customizing the Serials Solutions output files. I'm sure there are programmers out there that could automate the process, but I've been doing it pretty quickly using Excel and Editpad. If anyone's interested in trying it, I put the "How-to" instructions on the web at: http://www.manhattan.edu/~spober/ss.html Also, one of our college IT staff set up SWISH-E (Simple Web Indexing System for Humans - Enhanced) to make the list searchable. It's free, it's fast, it works well. http://swish-e.org (A php script from SS is another alternative.) Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ stacy.pober@manhattan.edu ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Manhattan College Webmail: http://www.manhattan.edu/ From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 24 17:08:43 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124163429.02264510@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124165819.00c66cb0@pop.cwru.edu> At 04:42 PM 1/24/2002, you wrote: >These days, there really needs to be a test for the W3C DOM. I'm not an >expert, but what I copied and pasted from Those Who Know is a test for >document.getElementsByTagName("*")--excluding Netscape 4, which apparently >claims wrongly to understand this. > > >Thomas Dowling >OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu Unfortunately, the advice I was given on this from the nice folks at Mozilla.org was, since DOM compliance is still incomplete for many browsers the recommended solution is to test for the specific DOM methods you use. Thus, when I was working on a script that displays a digital clock I had to test for document.getElementByID() to determine if I could use that method. BTW, If you want to see my clock in action it's at http://digilib.cwru.edu/. D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca Fri Jan 25 05:52:25 2002 From: malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca (Laura Jantek) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:55 2005 Subject: webpacs per branch Message-ID: <101197394517923-25105217923malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> Our library is moving toward adding more and more WebPacs to each branch in our system. Has any public library developed a way of determining the optimum number of Catalogue stations for each branch? Any and all ideas welcomed. Thanks! (I'm cross posting this, so sorry for any duplication) ================================================================= Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) 60 Alderney Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4P8 From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Jan 25 10:43:54 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] webpacs per branch References: <101197394517923-25105217923malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> Message-ID: <3C517D3A.F65C8B0C@yvrls.lib.wa.us> We didn't really use any formula like: 'for so many patrons registered at each branch we should have X number of OPACs.' We used a much simpler methodology, namely "LOOK! There's a hole over there! Let's put a thin client running the OPAC in it!" Now granted we're only a middle size (if that) regional library system. But really, the only things we were limited by in the placeing of OPACs was space in each individual branch library and how many thin clients we had to go around. By the way, are you using thins for your pacs? If not, I suggest really giving them a try. Dan Laura Jantek wrote: > Our library is moving toward adding more and more WebPacs to each branch in our system. Has any public library developed a way of determining the optimum number of Catalogue stations for each branch? > Any and all ideas welcomed. > Thanks! > > (I'm cross posting this, so sorry for any duplication) > ================================================================= > Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca > Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 > Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) > 60 Alderney Drive > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > B2Y 4P8 > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu Fri Jan 25 11:01:16 2002 From: Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu (VanderHart, Robert) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:55 2005 Subject: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 Message-ID: This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the list archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has been enhanced and is a big improvement. Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message in AR as well. I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened the same pdf with no problem. FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for application/pdf there either. Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? Robert J. Vander Hart Electronic Resources Librarian The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 25 11:19:22 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert, Copy this file: nppdf32.dll from here: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Browser to here: C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape 6\Plugins Once you've done that, Netscape should automatically load Adobe when you try to open a PDF file. A quick way to check the status of plugins in Netscape/Mozilla browsers is to enter: about:plugins in the URL/Location bar. In Netscape 6, it is also an option under the Help menu. In the page that displays plugin info, you should see Adobe Acrobat listed. With the plugin copied, the PDF files load in the browser. I noticed that when I didn't have the plugin copied, the PDF's launched Reader outside the browser. I have the same setup (Netscape 6.2.1/Windows2000) so it's probably a file association issue why it works on some and not on others. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: > This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the list > archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has been > enhanced and is a big improvement. > > Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. > When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is > unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the > file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message in > AR as well. > > I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper > Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. > > To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened the > same pdf with no problem. > > FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, > and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for > application/pdf there either. > > Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser > (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help > Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? > > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Electronic Resources Librarian > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > From Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com Fri Jan 25 12:02:23 2002 From: Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com (Sidey, Carolyne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 Message-ID: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B07143DBA@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> I am having a similar but different problem. When I click on a link to a PDF file in IE5 I get a blank page opening up in my browser window with "done" at the bottom of the browser. I have acrobat 4 (not just the reader) on my machine. The acrobat program will open PDF directly, but not from a link. any suggestions for this? thanks Carolyne Sidey Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada Mississauga, Ontario 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 Robert, Copy this file: nppdf32.dll from here: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Browser to here: C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape 6\Plugins Once you've done that, Netscape should automatically load Adobe when you try to open a PDF file. A quick way to check the status of plugins in Netscape/Mozilla browsers is to enter: about:plugins in the URL/Location bar. In Netscape 6, it is also an option under the Help menu. In the page that displays plugin info, you should see Adobe Acrobat listed. With the plugin copied, the PDF files load in the browser. I noticed that when I didn't have the plugin copied, the PDF's launched Reader outside the browser. I have the same setup (Netscape 6.2.1/Windows2000) so it's probably a file association issue why it works on some and not on others. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: > This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the list > archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has been > enhanced and is a big improvement. > > Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. > When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is > unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the > file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message in > AR as well. > > I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper > Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. > > To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened the > same pdf with no problem. > > FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, > and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for > application/pdf there either. > > Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser > (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help > Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? > > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Electronic Resources Librarian > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 25 12:16:21 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B07143DBA@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Message-ID: Carolyne, Check out this message from the archive: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0009/0064.html Bob Sullivan covers two problems with Acrobat and IE and solutions to them. It sounds like you might have the browser integration issue. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Sidey, Carolyne L wrote: > I am having a similar but different problem. When I click on a link to a > PDF file in IE5 I get a blank page opening up in my browser window with > "done" at the bottom of the browser. I have acrobat 4 (not just the reader) > on my machine. The acrobat program will open PDF directly, but not from a > link. > > any suggestions for this? > > thanks > > > > Carolyne Sidey > Manager, XRCC Library > Xerox Research Centre of Canada > Mississauga, Ontario > 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:22 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 > > > Robert, > > Copy this file: > > nppdf32.dll > > from here: > > C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Browser > > to here: > > C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape 6\Plugins > > Once you've done that, Netscape should automatically load Adobe when you > try to open a PDF file. A quick way to check the status of plugins in > Netscape/Mozilla browsers is to enter: > > about:plugins > > in the URL/Location bar. In Netscape 6, it is also an option under the > Help menu. In the page that displays plugin info, you should see Adobe > Acrobat listed. > > With the plugin copied, the PDF files load in the browser. I noticed that > when I didn't have the plugin copied, the PDF's launched Reader outside > the browser. I have the same setup (Netscape 6.2.1/Windows2000) so it's > probably a file association issue why it works on some and not on others. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: > > > This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the > list > > archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has > been > > enhanced and is a big improvement. > > > > Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. > > When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is > > unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the > > file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message > in > > AR as well. > > > > I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper > > Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. > > > > To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened > the > > same pdf with no problem. > > > > FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, > > and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for > > application/pdf there either. > > > > Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser > > (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help > > Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? > > > > > > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > > Electronic Resources Librarian > > The Lamar Soutter Library > > University of Massachusetts Medical School > > 55 Lake Avenue N > > Worcester MA 01655 > > > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > > > From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Jan 25 12:51:41 2002 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 Message-ID: <000a01c1a5c8$f25fee60$14915fa5@tamut.edu> I had the same problem. But I had an error message for Acrobat reader that said that I need to upgrade IE5.5 or better. I upgraded to IE6, and my problem went away. I use netscape Communicator 4.0.8. Works just fine with this version of NS. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Andrew I. Mutch Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 Carolyne, Check out this message from the archive: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0009/0064.html Bob Sullivan covers two problems with Acrobat and IE and solutions to them. It sounds like you might have the browser integration issue. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Sidey, Carolyne L wrote: > I am having a similar but different problem. When I click on a link to a > PDF file in IE5 I get a blank page opening up in my browser window with > "done" at the bottom of the browser. I have acrobat 4 (not just the reader) > on my machine. The acrobat program will open PDF directly, but not from a > link. > > any suggestions for this? > > thanks > > > > Carolyne Sidey > Manager, XRCC Library > Xerox Research Centre of Canada > Mississauga, Ontario > 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:22 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 > > > Robert, > > Copy this file: > > nppdf32.dll > > from here: > > C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Browser > > to here: > > C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape 6\Plugins > > Once you've done that, Netscape should automatically load Adobe when you > try to open a PDF file. A quick way to check the status of plugins in > Netscape/Mozilla browsers is to enter: > > about:plugins > > in the URL/Location bar. In Netscape 6, it is also an option under the > Help menu. In the page that displays plugin info, you should see Adobe > Acrobat listed. > > With the plugin copied, the PDF files load in the browser. I noticed that > when I didn't have the plugin copied, the PDF's launched Reader outside > the browser. I have the same setup (Netscape 6.2.1/Windows2000) so it's > probably a file association issue why it works on some and not on others. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: > > > This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the > list > > archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has > been > > enhanced and is a big improvement. > > > > Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. > > When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is > > unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the > > file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message > in > > AR as well. > > > > I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper > > Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. > > > > To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened > the > > same pdf with no problem. > > > > FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, > > and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for > > application/pdf there either. > > > > Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser > > (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help > > Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? > > > > > > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > > Electronic Resources Librarian > > The Lamar Soutter Library > > University of Massachusetts Medical School > > 55 Lake Avenue N > > Worcester MA 01655 > > > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > > > From thassing at creighton.edu Fri Jan 25 12:52:16 2002 From: thassing at creighton.edu (Hassing, Tom) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B07143DBA@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Message-ID: <000701c1a5c9$06b6b010$07b18693@ad.creighton.edu> I searched on "Internet Explorer Blank Page" at Adobe's Acrobat Support page: http://www.adobe.com/support/products/acrobat.html . My suggestions: Upgrade to IE 5.5 sp2 or IE 6. (Why not go to the latest version of Acrobat, too?) When I've supported staff with similar problems with PDF files (like just this morning), I usually suggest right-clicking on the link to the PDF, saving the file to the local hard drive. Get the browser out of the equation. Here are links to Adobe's view of possible causes and solutions: It could be a problem at the server level with ASP or CGI http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/1c1ae.htm It could be a problem where the link to the PDF File Has More Than 256 Characters http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/1e25e.htm It could be a problem related to Personal Web Server being installed locally http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/cc72.htm -- Tom Hassing, PC Network Technician Reinert Alumni Memorial Library Creighton University ...-----Original Message----- ...From: web4lib@webjunction.org ...[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf ...Of Sidey, Carolyne L ...Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:12 AM ...To: Multiple recipients of list ...Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems ...with pdf's in Netscape 6 ... ... ...I am having a similar but different problem. ...When I click on a link to a ...PDF file in IE5 I get a blank page opening up in ...my browser window with ..."done" at the bottom of the browser. I have ...acrobat 4 (not just the reader) ...on my machine. The acrobat program will open PDF ...directly, but not from a ...link. ... ...any suggestions for this? ... ...thanks ... ... ... ...Carolyne Sidey ...Manager, XRCC Library ...Xerox Research Centre of Canada ...Mississauga, Ontario ...1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 ... ... ... ... From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Jan 25 13:17:52 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: Computers in Libraries 2002? Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A5D7@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Does anyone here plan to be at Computers in Libraries? I will. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 From carver.50 at osu.edu Fri Jan 25 16:26:45 2002 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Computers in Libraries 2002? In-Reply-To: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A5D7@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020125132531.00b95688@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> I'll be doing a Session "Weblogs: Their Impact on Delivering Information" on Thrusday. -Blake At 10:21 AM 1/25/2002 -0800, Masters, Gary E wrote: >Does anyone here plan to be at Computers in Libraries? >I will. >Gary >Gary E. Masters >Librarian (Systems) >CDRH - FDA >(301) 827-6893 ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries See Also: www.LISNews.com From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Fri Jan 25 13:30:55 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: New CSS Discussion List Message-ID: <001201c1a5ce$7bb21940$c8c0edd1@minky> There is a brand new CSS list. http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/css-discuss It is brought to you by http://www.westciv.com (Style Master and Layout Master) and http://www.meyerweb.com (Eric Meyer, author of Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide, published by O'Reilly) This list is two days old and already has 650+ subscribers. Be prepared for a lot of mail. M a r y K i n d r e d T h e L i b r a r y P r o j e c t mary.kindred@maine.edu http://www.geocities.com/thelibraryproject/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Jan 25 13:33:22 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Computers in Libraries 2002? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BB65@mail1.morrisville.edu> I went last year as a moderator and presenter. I had to back out this year because of our move to a new LMS (from DRA MultiLIS to EX Libris's ALEPH 500). We are set to do our testing in February and March. Bill Drew From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Fri Jan 25 13:48:24 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of software References: <20020124122909.50541.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c1a5d1$1a459440$c8c0edd1@minky> You do not have to sign into Yahoo Groups nor do all groups have private archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HTML-on-the-WEB/ I'm not a member of this group. All I did was do a search for an html group and kept clicking through the resulting list of groups until I found one with public archives. Each group has a distinct URL. Couldn't get any easier. M a r y K i n d r e d T h e L i b r a r y P r o j e c t mary.kindred@maine.edu http://www.geocities.com/thelibraryproject/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Bell" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] In search of software > Hello! Is anyone aware of a piece of software where > multiple users can publish instantly to the web which > also has an e-mail notification feature for people who > do not wish to check the web and also has an > electronic list feature? I know yahoogroups archives > postings and offers websites, but they are not > publicly accessible; one must sign in to view it. It > seems that most of the blogging software is for > individuals instead of group posting and if it has > multiple user posting options, it does not have the > email notification feature. I am probably missing > something that is out there. Thanks, Lori > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Fri Jan 25 14:01:23 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendars for web site References: Message-ID: <007501c1a5d2$af3e5ea0$c8c0edd1@minky> http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/On_the_Web/Web_Applicatio ns/Web_Calendars/ M a r y K i n d r e d T h e L i b r a r y P r o j e c t mary.kindred@maine.edu http://www.geocities.com/thelibraryproject/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamane Yeager" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] calendars for web site > I'm trying to find a calendar for our library web page, that can be > updated when the library hours change. I've looked at some on the web, > but was hoping to find a free one, if possible. Any help would be > appreciated. > > ---------------------------------------- > Jamane Yeager > Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu > Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian > Elon University > (336) 278-6576 > From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Fri Jan 25 14:13:34 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 References: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B07143DBA@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c1a5d4$6e273e80$c8c0edd1@minky> Upgrade to IE 5.5 and Acrobat Reader 5. Of course I still use Windoze 95 but it works fine for me. I have no trouble opening a PDF file from a link. M a r y K i n d r e d T h e L i b r a r y P r o j e c t mary.kindred@maine.edu http://www.geocities.com/thelibraryproject/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidey, Carolyne L" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 > I am having a similar but different problem. When I click on a link to a > PDF file in IE5 I get a blank page opening up in my browser window with > "done" at the bottom of the browser. I have acrobat 4 (not just the reader) > on my machine. The acrobat program will open PDF directly, but not from a > link. > > any suggestions for this? > > thanks > > > > Carolyne Sidey > Manager, XRCC Library > Xerox Research Centre of Canada > Mississauga, Ontario > 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:22 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Display/print problems with pdf's in Netscape 6 > > > Robert, > > Copy this file: > > nppdf32.dll > > from here: > > C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Browser > > to here: > > C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape 6\Plugins > > Once you've done that, Netscape should automatically load Adobe when you > try to open a PDF file. A quick way to check the status of plugins in > Netscape/Mozilla browsers is to enter: > > about:plugins > > in the URL/Location bar. In Netscape 6, it is also an option under the > Help menu. In the page that displays plugin info, you should see Adobe > Acrobat listed. > > With the plugin copied, the PDF files load in the browser. I noticed that > when I didn't have the plugin copied, the PDF's launched Reader outside > the browser. I have the same setup (Netscape 6.2.1/Windows2000) so it's > probably a file association issue why it works on some and not on others. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, VanderHart, Robert wrote: > > > This may have been covered before, but I couldn't find anything in the > list > > archives. By the way, the search function for the Web4Lib archives has > been > > enhanced and is a big improvement. > > > > Our public machines (Windows 2000) have Netscape 6 and Acrobat Reader 5. > > When a patron clicks a pdf, a box pops up and says the file type is > > unrecognized by Mozilla. I click the Save button and try to open up the > > file in AR 5, but it hasn't been saved as a pdf so I get an error message > in > > AR as well. > > > > I can't add the application/pdf file type in the browser's Helper > > Applications, even when I'm logged in as an administrator. > > > > To make things even stranger, the same machine a half hour later opened > the > > same pdf with no problem. > > > > FWIW, my machine (Netscape 6.2, Windows NT4) has no problems opening pdfs, > > and I noticed in the Helper Applications that there is nothing listed for > > application/pdf there either. > > > > Other than posting signs and telling everyone to use IE as their browser > > (which was essentially the advice I got from the technician at our IS Help > > Desk), is there a workaround for this problem? > > > > > > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > > Electronic Resources Librarian > > The Lamar Soutter Library > > University of Massachusetts Medical School > > 55 Lake Avenue N > > Worcester MA 01655 > > > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > > > From grahamjo at oplin.lib.oh.us Sat Jan 26 08:15:55 2002 From: grahamjo at oplin.lib.oh.us (Joan K. Graham) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: icons for web page in location bar of browser-technique? Message-ID: <3C52AC0B.E0A1C3B1@oplin.lib.oh.us> I believe that some time ago there was a discussion on this list concerning why an icon appeared before the URL in the location bar, after you accessed certain web sites, while only a browser icon would appear for other sites. A colleague asked me yesterday why our site's URL didn't produce this. I told him I thought it was probably code written into the page, and I wished I had paid attention, if I did see postings on this topic. Does anyone know how it's done? TIA. Joan Graham Stark County District Library From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Sat Jan 26 08:38:42 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons for web page in location bar of browser-technique? In-Reply-To: <3C52AC0B.E0A1C3B1@oplin.lib.oh.us> Message-ID: Joan, It sounds like they are asking about the "favicon". This sites gives the basics and some links to some other resources. http://favicon.com/ Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Joan K. Graham wrote: > I believe that some time ago there was a discussion on this list > concerning why an icon appeared before the URL in the location bar, > after you accessed certain web sites, while only a browser icon would > appear for other sites. > > A colleague asked me yesterday why our site's URL didn't produce this. I > told him I thought it was probably code written into the page, and I > wished I had paid attention, if I did see postings on this topic. Does > anyone know how it's done? > TIA. > Joan Graham > Stark County District Library > From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Sat Jan 26 08:42:26 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons for web page in location bar of browser-technique? References: <3C52AC0B.E0A1C3B1@oplin.lib.oh.us> Message-ID: <000f01c1a66f$4bc0ed00$aeccedd1@minky> It's called a Favicon and I believe it only works in Internet Explorer. http://www.favicon.com/ M a r y K i n d r e d T h e L i b r a r y P r o j e c t mary.kindred@maine.edu http://www.geocities.com/thelibraryproject/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan K. Graham" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] icons for web page in location bar of browser-technique? > I believe that some time ago there was a discussion on this list > concerning why an icon appeared before the URL in the location bar, > after you accessed certain web sites, while only a browser icon would > appear for other sites. > > A colleague asked me yesterday why our site's URL didn't produce this. I > told him I thought it was probably code written into the page, and I > wished I had paid attention, if I did see postings on this topic. Does > anyone know how it's done? > TIA. > Joan Graham > Stark County District Library > From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Sat Jan 26 11:31:37 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: icons for web page in location bar of browser-technique? In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a66f$4bc0ed00$aeccedd1@minky> References: <000f01c1a66f$4bc0ed00$aeccedd1@minky> Message-ID: <126441.1012044697@[192.168.0.28]> It also works in Mozilla: ...but has bugs: ...and those who say it is evil: Peter --On Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:51 AM -0800 Mary Kindred wrote: > It's called a Favicon and I believe it only works in Internet Explorer. -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sat Jan 26 15:30:03 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: CoopIS 2002 --- Call For Papers Message-ID: <3C5311CB.4340EAF4@cs.brown.edu> *** Our apologies if you receive this message multiple times *** 2nd CALL FOR PAPERS ===================== Tenth International Conference on Cooperative Information Systems (CoopIS 2002) October 30 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/coopis/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press The Cooperative Information System (CIS) paradigm has been growing and gaining substantial importance in technological infrastructure (e.g., middleware and Web technologies) and application areas (e.g., e-Commerce, e-Government, virtual enterprises). 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All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Calton Pu Stefano Spaccapietra Georgia Tech EPFL USA Switzerland calton@cc.gatech.edu stefano.spaccapietra@epfl.ch Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Panel Chair Amit Sheth University of Georgia, USA Organization Chair Douglas Schmidt DARPA and U. Irvine, USA Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee Dave Abel CSIRO, Australia Will.M.P. van der Aalst U. Eindhoven, The Netherlands Chen Ming-Syan U. National Taiwan, Taiwan Hsu Chun-Nan Acad. Sinica, Taiwan Gong Li SUN China, China Kambayashi Yahiko U. Kyoto, Japan Kambayashi Masaru U. Tokyo, Japan Lee Dik-Lun HKUST, China/HK Masui Toshiyuki Sony CSL, Japan Whang Kyu-Young KAIST, Korea Yoshikawa Masatoshi Nara AIST, Japan Batini Carlo U. Roma La Sapienza, Italy Buchmann Alejandro Darmstadt U. Technology, Germany Constantopoulos Panos U. Crete and FORTH, Greece Doucet Anne U. Paris, France Gal Avigdor Technion, Israel Hainaut Jean-Luc FUNDP, Belgium Norrie Moira ETHZ, Switzerland Panti Maurizio U. Ancona, Italy Parent Christine U. Lausanne, Switzerland Pernici Barbara Politecnico di Milano, Italy Risch Tore Uppsala U., Sweden Felix Saltor U. Poli. Catalunya, Spain Streitz Norbert GMD/Fraunhofer, Germany Valduriez Patrick INRIA, France Abowd Gregory Georgia Tech., USA Becker Karin PUCRGS, Brazil Bowman Mic Intel, USA Dayal Umesh HP Labs, USA Finin Timothy U. Maryland, USA Huhns Michael U. South Carolina, USA Hull Richard Lucent Bell Labs, USA Kotz David Dartmouth, USA Laufmann Steven Qwest, USA Madnick Stuart MIT, USA McLeod Dennis USC, USA Medeiros Claudia Unicamp, Brazil Mylopolous John U. Toronto, Canada Raschid Louiqa U. Maryland, USA Rusinkiewicz Marek Telcordia, USA Yang Jian Tilburg University Yu Philip IBM Watson, USA From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sat Jan 26 15:27:57 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: ODBASE 2002 --- Call For Papers Message-ID: <3C53114D.32A25D41@cs.brown.edu> *** apologies if you receive this message multiple times *** 2nd CALL FOR PAPERS ==================== International Conference on Ontology's, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics for Large Scale Information Systems (ODBASE) October 29 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/odbase/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press A key challenge in making the Internet and the Web a more friendly and productive place is to fill more meaning to the vast and continuously growing amount of data on the Net. This is a vision that is shared both by the Worl Wide Web community, incarnated by the notion of the ?Semantic Web? coined by Tim Berners Lee, and researchers from a number of areas including data and knowledge engineering, databases, intelligent agent systems, information retrieval, information sciences and linguistics. The claim is that the emergence of meaning that is associated with data and documents found on the Internet will boost diverse applications such as e-commerce, enterprise and information integration, knowledge engineering, geographic information systems, digital libraries, ubiquitous computing, and intelligent information access. Data semantics and ontologies for large-scale information systems have become an important topic in research communities across several displines, research funding agencies, as well as various industries. The international conference on Ontology's, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics intends to create a forum to exchange views, ideas and experiences on ontologies and data semantics from different disciplines. A goal of the ODBASE conference is to bring researchers from databases, Semantic Web, and knowledge management together to discuss specific problems and promising approaches to providing more meaning for the growing amount of data on the Internet and in ubiquitous computing. A unique character of the ODBASE conferences is its specialization on data semantic issues for very large ontology and Internet systems, and its strong emphasis on interdisciplinarity and practical applicability of systems, tools and methods for supporting semantics in large-scale information systems. The program committee of ODBASE 2002 consists of leading experts from diverse discplines including formal ontology, databases, geographic information systems, library science, logic, and knowledge management. We have special interest in papers that bridge traditionally separated areas such as databases, intelligent systems, and knowledge engineering, and papers that address issues of scalability in data semantics on the Internet and ubiquitous computing systems. ODBASE'02 is part of the Federated Symposium Event that is organized within the global theme "On the Move to Meaningful Internet Systems and Ubiquitous Computing 2002". This federated event co-locates three related and complementary successful conferences in the areas of Intelligent Networked Information Systems, covering key issues in Data and Web Semantics (ODBASE'02), Distributed Objects, Infrastructure and Enabling Technology and Internet Computing (DOA'02), and Workflow, Cooperation, and Interoperability (CoopIS'02), as required for the deployment of Internet- and Intranet-based systems in organizations and for e-business. More details about this federated event can be found at http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf. Areas of interest of ODBASE'02 include but are not limited to: * Representation and Storage: Information, Data and Knowledge Modeling Ontology Languages Hypertext and Hypermedia Semi-Structured Data Multimedia Data and Metadata Semantics of E-Services Management of Large Knowledge Repositories Management and Integration of Large Ontology Bases Metadata Repositories Semantic Middleware * Construction and Methodologies: Database Integration E-Service Integration Searching and Managing Dynamic Contents Data and Web Mining Intelligent Information Agents Information Retrieval Filtering and Summarization Multimedia Metadata Annotation Ontology Extraction and Learning Self-organization in Information Systems * Applications and Evaluation: Semantic Web Domain/Application Ontology Ontology of Information Processing Electronic Commerce Digital Libraries Media Archives Enterprise-wide Information Systems Web-based Information Systems Location-dependent information services Web Services and Service Interoperability Information Dissemination Ubiquitous and Mobile Information Systems IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 SUBMISSION GUIDELINES All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. Papers that bridge two or more areas should be marked as BRIDGE papers. They will be reviewed jointly by the appropriate PC sub-areas. All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Karl Aberer Ling Liu Robert A. Meersman LSIR (Distributed College of VUB (Vrije Information Systems Computing, Universiteit Laboratory) Georgia Tech Brussel) EPFL, CH-1015 801 Atlantic Dr. Department of Lausanne, Atlanta, GA Computer Science Switzerland 30332-0280, USA STARlab, Building karl.aberer@epfl.ch lingliu@cc.gatech.edu F-G/10 Pleinlaan 2 B-1050 Brussels Belgium meersman@vub.ac.be Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Organising Chair Douglas Schmit University of California, Irvine Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee Members Christoph Bussler Oracle, USA Tiziana Catarci University of Rome, Italy Arbee Chen National Dong Hwa University, Taiwan Vassilis Christophides FORTH, Greece Terence Critchlow LLNL, USA Stefan Decker Stanford University, USA Tharam Dillon Hong Kong Polytechnic Univ., China J?r?me Euzenat INRIA, France Dieter Fensel Vrije Univ. Amsterdam, Netherlands Avigdor Gal Technion, Israel James Geller NJIT, USA Dimitrios Georgakopoulos Telcordia, USA Nicola Guarino CNR, Italy Terry Halpin Microsoft, USA Kamal Karlapalem IIIT, India Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Manolis Koubarakis University of Crete, Greece Maurizio Lenzerini University of Rome, Italy Tok Wang Ling Ling Univ. of Singapore, Singapore Alexander Maedche FZI Karlsruhe, Germany Leo Mark Georgia Tech, USA Luigi Mazzucchelli University of Rome, Italy Alberto Mendelzon University of Toronto, Canada Michele Missikoff CNR, Italy John Mylopoulos University of Toronto, Canada Sham Navathe Georgia Tech, USA Erich Neuhold FHG-IPSI, Germany Maria Orlowska University of Queensland, Australia Aris Ouksel University of Illinois at Chicago, USA Mike Papazoglou Tilburg University, Netherlands Qing Li City University of Hong Kong, China Michel Scholl CNAM Paris, France Amit Sheth University of Georgia, USA Keng Siau University of Nebraska-Lincoln, USA John Sowa USA Rudi Studer University Karlsruhe, Germany Katia Sycara Carnegie Mellon University, USA Changjie Tang Tang Sichaun University, China Hans Weigand Tilburg University, Netherlands John Zeleznikow University of Edinburgh, UK From sctseng at lib.uci.edu Sat Jan 26 15:45:02 2002 From: sctseng at lib.uci.edu (Sally Tseng) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:57 2005 Subject: Update - ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Institute - San Diego - Mar. 8-9, 2002 Message-ID: <3C53154E.8CDDA2D2@lib.uci.edu> --------------121BD2B3DDE65BD698AB3A0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Colleagues: Thank you for your interest in the ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes. The last Institute will be held in beautiful San Diego in Southern California from Friday to Saturday, March 8-9, 2002. Attached to this message is a copy in MS Word document for your convenience. ALCTS gratefully acknowledges the support of Brodart in presenting this Institute. Please visit ALCTS Web site for more information on the Institute. The URL is: http://www.ala.org/alcts/now/metadata2002.html The Deadline for registration is February 25, 2002. We are very proud to present to you NINEinternationally sought after speakers as our FACULTY MEMBERS at this Institute. Their NAMES are listed below in alphabetical order with their TOPICS for your preview: Grace Agnew, Associate University Librarian for Digital Library Services, Rutgers University Libraries "Developing a Metadata Strategy". Dr. Murtha Baca, Head, Standards Program, Getty Research Institute, "Metadata Schemas and Controlled Vocabularies for Art and Architecture". Matthew Beacom, ALA Representative to the Joint Steering Committee on the Revision of AACR2, Catalog Librarian for Networked Information Resources, Yale University Library, "Something Old, Something New: Using AACR2 and MARC to Catalog Web Resources". Jean Hirons, CONSER Coordinator, Library of Congress, "Seriality: What Have We Accomplished, What's Next? " Dr. Sheila S. Intner, Professor and Director, Simmons College GSLIS at Mt. Holyoke College, "Struggling Toward Retrieval: Can Alternatives to Standard Operating Procedures Help?" Erik Jul, Executive Director, OCLC Institute, OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., "MARC and Mark-up: Different Metadata Containers for Different Purposes". Regina R. Reynolds, Head, National Serials Data Program, Library of Congress "ISSN: Dumb Number, Smart Solution". Brian E. C. Schottlaender, University Librarian, University of California, San Diego, "Why Metadata? Why Now? Why Me?" Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Chief, Cataloging Policy and Support Office, Library of Congress, "AACR and Metadata : Library Opportunities in the Global Semantic Web - LC, IFLA, Dublin Core, Virtual International Authority Files, and More". Institute Location and Directions: Wyndham San Diego at Emerald Plaza 400 West Broadway San Diego, California 92101-3504 Phone: 619/239-4500 Fax: 619/239-4527 ALCTS Group Room Rate: $165 single/double By Air: The Wyndham San Diego Hotel offers a complimentary shuttle service to/from San Diego International Airport at Lindbergh Field. The service runs from 6am-10pm daily. By Train: The hotel is about a block away from the train station, so that's within walking distance. By Car - Driving Directions: Exit Freeway Five (Five going South). Exit Front Street Right on Ash Street ( Down 2 blocks) Left in Columbia Street (Go down 2-3 blocks) On the corner of Columbia and Broadway on the left hand side is the Wyndham San Diego at Emerald Plaza at 400 W Broadway Street Please share this information with your friends. We look forward to seeing you in San Diego. For Details Please Contact: Sally, C. Tseng, Chair ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes Head, Serials Cataloging Science Library University of California, Irvine P.O. Box 19557 Irvine, CA 92623 U.S.A. Phone: 949-824-6832 Fax (H): 949-857-1988 email: sctseng@uci.edu Mary Lynette Larsgaard, Co-chair ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes Assistant Head, Map and Imagery Laboratory Davidson Library University of California, Santa Barbara Santa Barbara CA 93106 Phone: 805/893-4049 Fax: 805/893-8799 email: mary@library.ucsb.edu Charles Wilt Executive Director ALA/ALCTS 50 E. Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 Phone: (800) 545-2433, ext. 5033 email: cwilt@ala.org Julie Reese ALA/ALCTS Events Manager 50 E. Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 Phone: (800) 545-2433, ext. 5034 email: jreese@ala.org --------------121BD2B3DDE65BD698AB3A0C Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Colleagues:

Thank you for your interest in the ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes.  The last Institute will be held in beautiful San Diego in Southern California from Friday to Saturday, March 8-9, 2002.  Attached to this message is a copy in MS Word document for your convenience.  ALCTS gratefully acknowledges the support of Brodart in presenting this Institute.

Please visit ALCTS Web site for more information on the Institute.  The URL is:
http://www.ala.org/alcts/now/metadata2002.html

The Deadline for registration is February 25, 2002.

We are very proud to present to you NINEinternationally sought after speakers as our FACULTY MEMBERS at this Institute.  Their NAMES are listed below in alphabetical order with their TOPICS for your preview:

Grace Agnew, Associate University Librarian for Digital Library Services, Rutgers University Libraries "Developing a Metadata Strategy".

Dr. Murtha Baca, Head, Standards Program, Getty Research Institute, "Metadata Schemas and Controlled Vocabularies for Art and Architecture".

Matthew Beacom, ALA Representative to the Joint Steering Committee on the Revision of AACR2, Catalog Librarian for Networked Information Resources, Yale University Library, "Something Old, Something New: Using AACR2 and MARC to Catalog Web Resources".

Jean Hirons, CONSER Coordinator, Library of Congress, "Seriality: What Have We Accomplished, What's Next? "

Dr. Sheila S. Intner, Professor and Director, Simmons College GSLIS at Mt. Holyoke College,  "Struggling Toward Retrieval:  Can Alternatives to Standard Operating Procedures Help?"

Erik Jul, Executive Director, OCLC Institute, OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., "MARC and Mark-up: Different Metadata Containers for Different Purposes".

Regina R. Reynolds, Head, National Serials Data Program, Library of Congress "ISSN: Dumb Number, Smart Solution".

Brian E. C. Schottlaender, University Librarian, University of California, San Diego, "Why Metadata?  Why Now?  Why Me?"

Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Chief, Cataloging Policy and Support Office, Library of Congress, "AACR and Metadata : Library Opportunities in the Global Semantic Web - LC, IFLA, Dublin Core, Virtual International Authority Files, and More".
 

Institute Location and Directions:

Wyndham San Diego at Emerald Plaza
400 West Broadway
San Diego, California 92101-3504
Phone:  619/239-4500
Fax: 619/239-4527
ALCTS Group Room Rate: $165 single/double

By Air:

The Wyndham San Diego Hotel offers a complimentary shuttle service to/from San Diego International Airport at Lindbergh Field.  The service runs from 6am-10pm daily.

By Train:

The hotel is about a block away from the train station, so that's within walking distance.

By Car - Driving Directions:

Exit Freeway Five (Five going South).
Exit Front Street
Right on Ash Street ( Down 2 blocks)
Left in Columbia Street (Go down 2-3 blocks)
On the corner of Columbia and Broadway on the left hand side is the Wyndham San Diego at Emerald Plaza at 400 W Broadway Street

Please share this information with your friends.  We look forward to seeing you in San Diego.

For Details Please Contact:

Sally, C. Tseng, Chair
ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes
Head, Serials Cataloging
Science Library
University of California, Irvine
P.O. Box 19557
Irvine, CA 92623
U.S.A.
Phone:       949-824-6832
Fax (H):    949-857-1988
email:        sctseng@uci.edu

Mary Lynette Larsgaard, Co-chair
ALCTS AACR2 and Metadata Regional Institutes
Assistant Head, Map and Imagery Laboratory
Davidson Library
University of California, Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara CA 93106
Phone: 805/893-4049
Fax: 805/893-8799
email: mary@library.ucsb.edu

Charles Wilt
Executive Director
ALA/ALCTS
50 E. Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
Phone: (800) 545-2433, ext. 5033
email:  cwilt@ala.org

Julie Reese
ALA/ALCTS Events Manager
50 E. Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
Phone: (800) 545-2433, ext. 5034
email:  jreese@ala.org
 
 
 

  --------------121BD2B3DDE65BD698AB3A0C-- ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Mon Jan 28 07:32:52 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <200201280508.g0S58SI07683@smtp.postech.ac.kr> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> There was an attachment included with this email? Is this a spoof? The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? Isabel At 10:29 PM 1/27/2002 -0800, kschoi@postech.ac.kr wrote: >Hello! > >My party... It was absolutely amazing! >I have attached my web page with new photos! >If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > From GSENNEMA at calvin.edu Mon Jan 28 07:50:57 2002 From: GSENNEMA at calvin.edu (Gregory Sennema) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: Linking to particular page in pdf Message-ID: Greetings I am curious to know whether it is possible to create a link to a particular page within a .pdf document, instead of having the document open simply at the first page. thanks __________________________________________________________ Greg Sennema, Digital Resources Librarian 616-957-8455 Hekman Library 616-957-6470 fax Calvin College & Calvin Theological Seminary 3207 Burton St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 __________________________________________________________ From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jan 28 07:54:56 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <200201280508.g0S58SI07683@smtp.postech.ac.kr> Message-ID: This gives every indication of being a worm/virus.... > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of kschoi@postech.ac.kr > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:22 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] new photos from my party! > > > Hello! > > My party... It was absolutely amazing! > I have attached my web page with new photos! > If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > > From giovanni.ganci at uni-bocconi.it Mon Jan 28 07:54:48 2002 From: giovanni.ganci at uni-bocconi.it (Giovanni Ganci) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020128135417.00a08260@pop.uni-bocconi.it> >The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of >DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? It's a virus!!! Delete the mail and the attachment. Bye Giovanni ********************************************************* Giovanni Ganci Universit? Commerciale "L. Bocconi" - Biblioteca Servizio Banche Dati Tel +39 02.5836.3052/5107 Fax +39 02.5836.5100 From hck at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 28 07:59:36 2002 From: hck at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Heinrich C. Kuhn) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: > There was an attachment included with this email? > Is this a spoof? Unfortunately it's probably a virus. Cf. http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32mypartya.html > > The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of > DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? > > Isabel > > At 10:29 PM 1/27/2002 -0800, kschoi@postech.ac.kr wrote: > >Hello! > > > >My party... It was absolutely amazing! > >I have attached my web page with new photos! > >If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > > > > +--------------------------------------------------------- | Dr. Heinrich C. Kuhn | Seminar fuer Geistesgeschichte der Renaissance | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet Muenchen | D-80539 Muenchen / Ludwigstr. 31/IV | T.: +49-89-2180 2018, F.: +49-89-2180 2907 | inst. URL: http://www.phil-hum-ren.uni-muenchen.de/ +--------------------------------------------------------- From Thor.A.Landsverk at rbt.no Mon Jan 28 08:02:49 2002 From: Thor.A.Landsverk at rbt.no (Thor Arne Landsverk) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128140104.02adb2c8@rbt-nt.rbt.no> It's a worm, see http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/myparty.shtml Thor Arne >There was an attachment included with this email? Is this a spoof? > >The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of >DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? > >Isabel > >At 10:29 PM 1/27/2002 -0800, kschoi@postech.ac.kr wrote: > >Hello! > > > >My party... It was absolutely amazing! > >I have attached my web page with new photos! > >If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > > > From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Mon Jan 28 08:08:13 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128080043.00a8dc20@pop3.norton.antivirus> Another interesting thing. I have Norton on my PC. It usually detects virus laden files as they are downloaded. It did not. I pointed Norton at that file and then it said that it was infected with MYparty@mm virus. That seems to me to be very strange behaviour. Isabel At 04:37 AM 1/28/2002 -0800, Isabel Danforth wrote: >There was an attachment included with this email? Is this a spoof? > >The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of >DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? > >Isabel > >At 10:29 PM 1/27/2002 -0800, kschoi@postech.ac.kr wrote: > >Hello! > > > >My party... It was absolutely amazing! > >I have attached my web page with new photos! > >If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > > > From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jan 28 08:13:21 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: W32.Myparty@mm Message-ID: Don't fool with the attachment on the "party" e-mail. it is indeed a "mass mailing worm." See: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.myparty@mm.html Delete the e-mail permanently. Go get the latest definitions for your antivirus program. If you've already opened the thing, the URL above has a link to instructions on how to remove it from your system. Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Is It Spam or Is It E-Mail Direct Marketing? http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37235,FF.html From araby at unr.edu Mon Jan 28 10:32:54 2002 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linking to particular page in pdf References: Message-ID: <002301c1a811$15edc920$d431500a@direcpc.com> Yes, you can open a PDF file on a specific page, or link to a specific page. As usual, there are several ways to do this: Simplest way to link to a specific page without having to edit the document is to add "#page=n" to the end of the link, like this example: http://www.library.unr.edu/friends/fall_2001_Newsletter.pdf#page=3 I don't remember having to jump through any particular hoops to do this, and just tried it with a different multi-page pdf that had no bookmarks, and it worked. To open a pdf file on a specific page, open the page in Adobe Acrobat (full version) and go to: File Document Properties Open Options Initial View Change the page number from 1 to whatever Another way would be to create a regular bookmark in the document that goes to the top of the page and then link to the bookmark. Named destinations are another option. To use named destinations within a PDF file, see http://www.pacific.adobe.com/epaper/tips/acrlongpdf/main.html -Araby Greene ____________________________________________ Araby Greene Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 University of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ 784-6500 ext. 343 | araby@unr.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Sennema" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linking to particular page in pdf > Greetings > > I am curious to know whether it is possible to create a link to a particular > page within a .pdf document, instead of having the document open simply at the > first page. > > thanks > > __________________________________________________________ > > Greg Sennema, Digital Resources Librarian 616-957-8455 > Hekman Library 616-957-6470 > fax > Calvin College & Calvin Theological Seminary > 3207 Burton St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 > __________________________________________________________ From Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu Mon Jan 28 11:34:53 2002 From: Howard_Pasternack at brown.edu (Howard Pasternack) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: Printing Elsevier E-Journals on HP 81xx Printers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128112837.02046b40@postoffice.brown.edu> At Brown University we have identified three electronic journals from Elsevier that cause our Hewlett Packard 81xx printers to lock up in the "Processing Job" state -- The Journal of Affective Disorders, New Astronomy, and Journal of Chromatography A. The Journal of Affective Disorders appears to be the most problematic. We are wondering if anyone else is experiencing similar problems. Elsevier claims the problem is local to our site. The problematic PDFs will print when using PCL 5e and PCL 6 print drivers (prefaced by 2-3 pages of garbage), they will print when the "print as image" option is selected (takes 5 times as long to print), and also print when using Postscript level 1 print drivers (also not desirable, as it is an almost obsolete print language and doesn't support many of the newer features of Postscript level 2). We've isolated the problem down to an incompatibility between the HP 81xx series printer and the PDFs from the aforementioned electronic journals. Thus far, we've updated the firmware in the Jet Direct cards, updated all the printer drivers to the latest and greatest, updated Acrobat reader to the latest version, updated both IE (6.0) and Netscape (4.79) to the latest version, printed directly to the printer via a high-density parallel cable, and tried fiddling with all of the setting in the aforementioned software packages. The PDFs print fine when sent to other HP printers in the library, even the lower end 1200n printers. Any advice or thoughts or similar experiences with this. We're reaching the point of considering unsubscribing from the journals because of the hassle involved in using Netware to free up the printers once they get stuck on the three journals. -- Howard ***************************************************************************************** Howard Pasternack Library Systems Officer Brown University Library E-mail: Howard_Pasternack@brown.edu Box A Phone: (401) 863-3346 Providence, RI 02912 Fax: (401) 863-9639 ***************************************************************************************** From CWhite5280 at aol.com Mon Jan 28 11:49:16 2002 From: CWhite5280 at aol.com (CWhite5280@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: Quick Printer Installation Message-ID: We have about 50 public workstations in two location and are using Pharos Uniprint on them. When Uniprint goes down we would like to have backup printing available that would send jobs to an HP printer at the Reference Desk. The problem is we don't want the the HP printer to show up as an available printer. We're trying to get around this by allowing staff members to install the backup printer on the fly when necessary. We're presently using "HP Print Wizard", but would like to find some way to install a printer with one click and no prompts. This probably involves some kind of script or macro. Is anyone familiar with anything that could do this? From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Mon Jan 28 12:00:51 2002 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <3C5583C3.F2FAE5A4@cdrewu.edu> Isabel Danforth wrote: > There was an attachment included with this email? Is this a spoof? > > The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of > DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? I got it. It looked like spam, so I deleted it. (I use netscape to read mail, so it didn't get automatically executed, whatever it was) -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From george at library.caltech.edu Mon Jan 28 11:58:32 2002 From: george at library.caltech.edu (george@library.caltech.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: monitoring web page changes Message-ID: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA3676CF46E9@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> I had been using NetMind's free Mind-It service to keep an eye on publisher's websites, tracking the addition of new ejournals to their offerings. With the demise of the free service , I'm turning to the collective wisdom of the Web4Lib community to find another avenue to, hopefully, the same end. Any techniques which you have found to be especially successful and free would be greatly appreciated. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science Caltech, 1-43 Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From ARosenberger at FSC.Follett.com Mon Jan 28 12:07:01 2002 From: ARosenberger at FSC.Follett.com (Rosenberger, Anne) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! Message-ID: <552E81EFEDA8D3118AA7009027DE057B02ED4CAD@fsc_exchange.fsc.follett.com> Norton flagged the orignal message as a virus carrier. -----Original Message----- From: Charles P. Hobbs [mailto:chhobbs@cdrewu.edu] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: new photos from my party! Isabel Danforth wrote: > There was an attachment included with this email? Is this a spoof? > > The attachment was named to look like a web address, but it is some kind of > DOS application. Did other folks receive this also? I got it. It looked like spam, so I deleted it. (I use netscape to read mail, so it didn't get automatically executed, whatever it was) -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From Kate.Fuller at uconn.edu Mon Jan 28 12:52:38 2002 From: Kate.Fuller at uconn.edu (Kate Fuller) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: Virus Found in message "[WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2511" Message-ID: <5D5ED9DBE60FD4118EA600D0B74450D6010ED466@exchange.lib.uconn.edu> Norton AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment you (web4lib@webjunction.org) sent to Multiple recipients of list. To ensure the recipient(s) are able to use the files you sent, perform a virus scan on your computer, clean any infected files, then resend this attachment. Attachment: www.myparty.yahoo.com Virus name: W32.Myparty@mm Action taken: Clean failed : Quarantine succeeded : File status: Infected ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From davidcj at MIT.EDU Mon Jan 28 12:55:24 2002 From: davidcj at MIT.EDU (David Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: Virus/Worm alert re: new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073239.00a88c60@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020128125159.0217bf58@po10.mit.edu> From: Gerald I Isaacson I have had several reports today about the new mass mailing virus Myparty, which comes as an e-mail attachment, being received on campus. It will only infect PCs though you can receive it on a MAC, but it won't infect your MAC system. Information about the virus can be found at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99332.htm Near the bottom of the page there is a SuperExtraDat file which is a self-extracting file that detects the virus. Download the file and click on it to install it. You can prevent any infection by deleting the file when you receive it, without opening the attachment. I Jerry Isaacson MIT Information Security Office From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jan 28 12:57:06 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] monitoring web page changes In-Reply-To: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA3676CF46E9@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> Message-ID: I use SpyOnIt: http://www.spyonit.com/Home "Web Page Changes: A Spyonit "classic." Get notified when any website address you provide changes in a way you specify. Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Is It Spam or Is It E-Mail Direct Marketing? http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37235,FF.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of > george@library.caltech.edu > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] monitoring web page changes > > > I had been using NetMind's free Mind-It service to keep an eye on > publisher's websites, tracking the addition of new ejournals to their > offerings. With the demise of the free service > , I'm turning to the > collective wisdom of the Web4Lib community to find another avenue to, > hopefully, the same end. > > Any techniques which you have found to be especially successful and free > would be greatly appreciated. > > George S. Porter > Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science > Caltech, 1-43 > Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 > Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 > From jbiquez at icsmx.com Mon Jan 28 13:15:33 2002 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: *Be careful* Fwd: [WEB4LIB] new photos from my party! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128121417.024aaec0@icsmx.com> This is what it was received on the list..... JB -------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Worm/MyParty Aliases: W32.Myparty@mm Type: Internet worm In the Wild: Yes Risk: Medium Description: Worm/MyParty is a mass mailing Internet worm that is spreading through e-mail. It uses its own special SMTP routine to send unsolicited email messages to those addresses obtained from a search within the Windows address book. The attachment disguises itself as a website. The worm spreads via e-mail, and an infected message appears as follows: Subject: new photos from my party! Body: Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! Attachment: www.myparty.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from sunsite.berkeley.edu (169.229.32.30) by intratec.com.mx with > ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.2) for ; > Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:22:50 -0600 >Received: from sunsite (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by sunsite.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11298; > Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:22:23 -0800 (PST) >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:22:23 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <200201280508.g0S58SI07683@smtp.postech.ac.kr> >Errors-To: listchek@webjunction.org >Reply-To: kschoi@postech.ac.kr >Originator: web4lib@webjunction.org >Sender: web4lib@webjunction.org >Precedence: bulk >From: kschoi@postech.ac.kr >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] new photos from my party! >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > >Hello! > >My party... It was absolutely amazing! >I have attached my web page with new photos! >If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! > > ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From gprice at gwu.edu Mon Jan 28 13:26:16 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: monitoring web page changes References: Message-ID: <001801c1a829$46954e00$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> George: Several suggestions. 1) If you want to try a client-based product I love Webspector. It's about $30 and can monitor page changes and report precisely where on the page the new content is located. You can run an update from once a minute to once a week. http://www.illumix.com/webspector.htm Another client tool that works, although it can need some serious tweaking, is C-4-U. It's free to download and used at: http://www.c-4-u.com In terms of web based tools, Infominder seems to be very dependable and will check up to once an hour. It also illustrates where on the page the change has occurred. http://www.infominder.com Much the same for Watchthatpage.Com and Trackengine.Com http://www.watchthatpage.com http://http://www.trackengine.com All three of these services are available at no charge. cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirl Kennedy" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: monitoring web page changes | I use SpyOnIt: | http://www.spyonit.com/Home | | "Web Page Changes: A Spyonit "classic." Get notified when any website | address you provide changes in a way you specify. | | Shirl Kennedy | Web Guide Manager | Business 2.0 | | Is It Spam or Is It E-Mail Direct Marketing? | http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37235,FF.html | | | | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: web4lib@webjunction.org | > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of | > george@library.caltech.edu | > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:06 PM | > To: Multiple recipients of list | > Subject: [WEB4LIB] monitoring web page changes | > | > | > I had been using NetMind's free Mind-It service to keep an eye on | > publisher's websites, tracking the addition of new ejournals to their | > offerings. With the demise of the free service | > , I'm turning to the | > collective wisdom of the Web4Lib community to find another avenue to, | > hopefully, the same end. | > | > Any techniques which you have found to be especially successful and free | > would be greatly appreciated. | > | > George S. Porter | > Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science | > Caltech, 1-43 | > Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 | > Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 | > | | From SSbauschard2 at aol.com Mon Jan 28 15:44:56 2002 From: SSbauschard2 at aol.com (SSbauschard2@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus/Worm alert re: new photos from my party! Message-ID: <81.16ac5119.29871249@aol.com> Hi All, I think I may have been the reluctant transmitter of this virus. I usually do not open such things, but I have a friend who is Korean whose last name is Choi and who recently had a party. Those are the username, the country name, and the message title, so I opened it. She said she originally opened it because she thought it was photos from a party her friend sent her! I apologize for any convienance. Updated McAfee seems to have solved my problem. My understanding is that this virus is flying around the world. Sorry for any problems this may have caused, Stefan Bauschard Terrorism Library From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Mon Jan 28 20:25:18 2002 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Virus/Worm alert re: new photos from my party! In-Reply-To: <81.16ac5119.29871249@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128202437.00a8e160@pop3.norton.antivirus> I was suprised to see the file attached to a post to WEB4LIB. I thought that the mail list rejected attachments. Can someone explain that to me? Isabel At 12:52 PM 1/28/2002 -0800, SSbauschard2@aol.com wrote: >Hi All, > >I think I may have been the reluctant transmitter of this virus. I usually >do not open such things, but I have a friend who is Korean whose last name >is Choi and who recently had a party. Those are the username, the country >name, and the message title, so I opened it. She said she originally >opened it because she thought it was photos from a party her friend sent her! > >I apologize for any convienance. Updated McAfee seems to have solved my >problem. My understanding is that this virus is flying around the world. > >Sorry for any problems this may have caused, > >Stefan Bauschard >Terrorism Library From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Jan 28 21:01:33 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Virus/Worm alert re: new photos from my In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128202437.00a8e160@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <1E71CD78-145C-11D6-BAC5-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> The attachment made it through because it was not a multipart message -- the attachment had been uuencoded, which turns a binary into an ASCII file, and appended to the message. We are looking into ways to filter those out as well. Roy On Monday, January 28, 2002, at 05:29 PM, Isabel Danforth wrote: > I was suprised to see the file attached to a post to WEB4LIB. I thought > that the mail list rejected attachments. Can someone explain that to > me? > > Isabel > > > At 12:52 PM 1/28/2002 -0800, SSbauschard2@aol.com wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I think I may have been the reluctant transmitter of this virus. I >> usually >> do not open such things, but I have a friend who is Korean whose last >> name >> is Choi and who recently had a party. Those are the username, the >> country >> name, and the message title, so I opened it. She said she originally >> opened it because she thought it was photos from a party her friend >> sent her! >> >> I apologize for any convienance. Updated McAfee seems to have solved my >> problem. My understanding is that this virus is flying around the >> world. >> >> Sorry for any problems this may have caused, >> >> Stefan Bauschard >> Terrorism Library > > From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Tue Jan 29 10:18:54 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:00 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights: February issue available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large v. 2, issue 3, February 2002 is now available from http://cical.home.att.net The 18-page issue includes: *The Year Ahead (and Behind), II *Copyright Currents (11 items) *Text-e: Monophone Comments on a Trilingual Conference (part 1) *Trends and Quick Takes (five items) *The Good Stuff (five items) *PC Group Reviews (formerly "Review Watch") (16 reviews in 12 categories) I'm going to maintain "PC Values" as a separate document, cumulated in reverse-chronological order throughout the year, for the few people who care. The CICAL home page points to it. -walt crawford- From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Jan 29 12:11:07 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:00 2005 Subject: Web Search Business: Google & Teoma Message-ID: <005001c1a8e7$f0fe6480$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> These two articles might be of interest. 1) Web Search--Google Source: Australian Financial Review "At Google, The Search is On for Growth Strategy" http://afr.com/it/2002/01/30/FFX5WWGK0XC.html Note: This article originally appeared in the Wall Street Journal on 1/21. 2) Web Search--Teoma Source: Newark Star-Ledger "Search for Tomorrow" http://www.nj.com/business/ledger/index.ssf?/business/ledger/15b22fe.html All about Teoma. From the article, "A Rutgers team has created a competitor for Web search king Google. But can it take hold in the age of the Internet bust?" cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Jan 29 13:15:41 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:00 2005 Subject: _All That JAS: Journal Abbreviation Sources_ Message-ID: _ Candidates for _All That JAS: Journal Abbreviation Sources_ With the Spring semester now underway, I would like to make MyWebColleagues (re)aware of my registry devoted to Journal Abbreviation Sources called _All That JAS_. _All that JAS_ is located at [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/JAS.htm ] and is " is a categorized registry of Web resources that list or provide access to the full title of journal abbreviations or other types of abbreviated publication titles (e.g., conference proceedings titles). Selected OPACs that offer abbreviated title searching have also been included. In addition, All That JAS includes select lists and directories that provide access to the unabbreviated titles of serial publications." I am greatly interested in learning of other *free* Web-based journal (or other publication) abbreviation sources (as well as *free* full serial lists) for _All That JAS_. The current collection of resources in _All That JAS_ included sites organized in the following categories: | GENERAL | AGRICULTURE | ANTHROPOLOGY | AQUATIC SCIENCES | ASTRONOMY | BIOSCIENCES | BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS | CHEMISTRY | COMPUTER SCIENCE | ENGINEERING | ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES | GEOLOGY | LAW | MATERIALS SCIENCE | MATHEMATICS | MEDICINE | PHILOSOPHY | PHYSICS | VETERINARY MEDICINE | I am particularly interested in comprehensive LAW sites and in sites for categories not presently listed. As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, questions, queries, Cosmic Insights, compliments [:-)], UnShredded Documents, etc. etc. etc. are Most Welcome! /Gerry McKiernan Abbreviated Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Abbreviate It!" With Apologies (Once Again) to Alan Kay From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Tue Jan 29 15:21:06 2002 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fw: Resetting monitor out of frequency tolerance References: <003801c1a501$88bd1d10$010c2c98@gardnerwebb.edu> Message-ID: <3C570432.FB440598@billings.lib.mt.us> Dear folks, Thank you for the many useful suggestions (which I'm filing for future reference, by the way!). It hadn't occured to me to try VGA mode. My Sys Admin did a neat trick with side-by-side monitors counting key stokes to get to the right settings, which got us most of the way, then VGA mode the rest. I knew this list would have the answer! Thanks again! Lynne Daniel Jolley wrote: > > I had a similar problem with the resolution settings on an NT workstation. > The startup screen had been set not to display the menu letting me start up -- L. E. Puckett Reference & Electronic Systems Librarian Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings MT 59101 406-657-8258 From Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu Tue Jan 29 15:31:42 2002 From: Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu (Beers, Lonna) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:00 2005 Subject: TX Distance Learning Association 6th Annual Conference April 2-4, 2002 Message-ID: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A01F76C1E@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> (Please excuse multiple postings.) TxDLA 2002--On the Right Track April 2-4, 2002 Westin Beechwood (near the Texas Motor Speedway!) Ft. Worth, Texas Program and online registration now available at the website: http://www.txdla.org/events/2002Conf/ What an exciting year it has been for TxDLA! The organization has grown to over 823 members making us the largest state chapter in the United States. Last year's conference was an overwhelming success; regional groups have started developing all over the state; and the Fall Leadership Workshop in Kerrville brought many new faces to the organization. This year's conference is fast approaching. Dates are set for April 2-4 at the Westin Beechwood Hotel in Ft. Worth. (Rumor has it that the week of our conference will conclude with NASCAR races at Texas Motor Speedway.) We are excited to have USDLA award winner, Governor Bill Janklow of South Dakota, as our keynote kicking things off Tuesday morning. We have over 100 breakout and "how to" sessions focusing on key issues of distance learning. We also have exhibitors sporting the latest and greatest in technology. Exhibits will be a must see. The all new electronic showcase will feature top-notch programs from across the state and some very special evening activities have been planned for your enjoyment. Four Day Weekend, an improv comedy group, will be delivering two special shows for our group with the focus on distance learning. This year's conference is a conference you won't want to miss. Mark your calendars for April 2-4 to celebrate the success of distance learning, create new excitement in your career, and continue your professional growth as we get On The Right Track in 2002. Registration is now ONLINE! Marci Powell TxDLA President-Elect TxDLA 2002 Conference Chair Lonna J. Beers Librarian & Web Administrator The University Center 3232 College Park Drive Conroe, TX 77384 936.273.7562 (office) 936.273.7616 (fax) lonna.beers@nhmccd.edu http://www.tuc.edu/lrc From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Thu Jan 31 08:00:16 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A61F@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Not to be contrary, but is there a way to get them another line (connection, etc.) outside the one you use? Otherwise, it looks like "find what they like to do and stop it." Most are just trying to keep the real work on track. But to a young person it is hard to see the difference. So any alternative would help. Such as "if you have your own DSL line..." Just a thought. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lester [SMTP:dan@riverofdata.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic, so here goes. Like many of you, Boise State is very heavily dependent on web access for some 80 databases, thousands of ejournals, and so forth. Increasingly we've been getting clobbered by students in dorms and campus apartments using Kazaa (or KaZaA to be correct) and Morpheus and others of that ilk. (www.kazaa.com and www.musiccity.com for the uninitiated) (As one who's tried both, go with the latter for less crashing or locking up and more functionality) (or go to www.afternapster.com for info on over 100 such systems) At the moment the university has a 15MB connection to the net (10 T-1's worth of bandwidth). During all times from 10AM to 2AM the pipe is totally full. It is nearly full at the other hours. About half of the total traffic is from Kazaa. So far, for various political reasons, it has not been possible to get that traffic blocked. This is despite the fact that we have only 1100 of our 17,000 students living on campus. I don't want to embroil the rest of you in campus issues, but am wondering how others have dealt with this. Have you blocked the Kazaa traffic at all times, at certain times, or never? Have you limited the amount of bandwidth that you permit that traffic to use? Have you done something else? The campus IT guys would block it during daytimes and restrict it in evenings in an instant if they had permission from the highest levels. Their interest is as great as the library's, since they get calls complaining about the inaccessibility of internet resources from faculty and administrators as well. We "only" get them from library patrons who are trying to get a search done or an article downloaded so they can print and read it. Feel free to reply off list, and if I come up with a bunch of results, I'll provide a summary. I promise confidentiality if desired. We all have our politics and personalities, and I wouldn't want anyone to get in hot water by telling "the rest of the story". cheers, and thanks, dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! Be competitive, intense, and accountable. From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Thu Jan 31 09:09:10 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:02 2005 Subject: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <7220568966.20020130181019@riverofdata.com> References: <7220568966.20020130181019@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <4223165.1012468150@[0.0.0.0]> --On Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:12 PM -0800 Dan Lester wrote: > I don't want to embroil the rest of you in campus issues, but am > wondering how others have dealt with this. Have you blocked the Kazaa > traffic at all times, at certain times, or never? Have you limited > the amount of bandwidth that you permit that traffic to use? Have you > done something else? I believe our campus uses a product called Packetshaper from Packeteer to control network usage. The product sits between your Internet connection and your LAN, and controls bandwidth consumption based on user, protocol, application, and other parameters. So one could limit P2P traffic to a certain rate or allow one user to only consume a certain fraction of the bandwidth, and allow the rest of the network to use the remainder of the connection. Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From tk at kent.edu Thu Jan 31 09:28:15 2002 From: tk at kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <4223165.1012468150@[0.0.0.0]> References: <4223165.1012468150@[0.0.0.0]> Message-ID: We're also avid users and big fans of Packetshaper at Kent State. Our network shop runs all of our internet traffice through this magical tool. Otherwise the dorm-folks peg everything and nobody else gets any work or research done. Tom Klingler Kent State At 6:13 AM -0800 1/31/02, Peter Murray wrote: >--On Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:12 PM -0800 Dan Lester > wrote: >> I don't want to embroil the rest of you in campus issues, but am >> wondering how others have dealt with this. Have you blocked the Kazaa >> traffic at all times, at certain times, or never? Have you limited >> the amount of bandwidth that you permit that traffic to use? Have you >> done something else? > >I believe our campus uses a product called Packetshaper from Packeteer to >control network usage. The product sits between your Internet connection >and your LAN, and controls bandwidth consumption based on user, protocol, >application, and other parameters. > > > >So one could limit P2P traffic to a certain rate or allow one user to >only consume a certain fraction of the bandwidth, and allow the rest of >the network to use the remainder of the connection. > > >Peter >-- >Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 >University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Assistant Dean for Systems Libraries & Media Services Library, Room 383 Kent State University Kent, OH. U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-1646 330-672-4811(fax) tk@kent.edu From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Jan 31 09:39:03 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: This Week in ResearchBuzz #167 -- January 31, 2002 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131093835.00aac1e0@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, Following are the articles from the latest issue of ResearchBuzz (#167, January 31, 2002). The link below the title leads directly to the article. * Lycos Launches News Features http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#lycoslaunches * BrightPlanet Expands Directory to over 100,000 Items http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#brightplanetexpands * Reader Response -- Postures / Hamlet http://www.researchbuzz.com/articles/2002/posthamrearesp0129.html * Big Ten Libraries Team Up On Fiction Digitization Project http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#bigten * American Centuries -- View from New England http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#americancenturies * Poetry 180 Launched by LOC http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#poetry180 * Banknote Museum http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#banknotemuseum * Internment.net Offers Cemetery Record Lookup http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#internmentnet * Stonecarving and Medieval Information http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jan24jan3002.html#stonecarvingand From even.flood at ub.ntnu.no Thu Jan 31 09:39:50 2002 From: even.flood at ub.ntnu.no (Even Flood) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: Fwd: Copyleft: The Great Giveaway Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131153735.0292fca0@serv1.ub.ntnu.no> Folks From the New Scientist - this might be of interest? >From: New Scientist > >Good ideas are worth money, so why are people giving them away for >free? Join our experiment to find out. > >This week, New Scientist is doing something no other mainstream >magazine has - publishing an article under what's known as a >"copyleft". > >We're helping test one of the boldest ideas of our time. The outcome >is up to you. To read the article, go to >www.newscientist.com/hottopics/copyleft on NewScientist.com. There, >you can provide feedback, copy the article, redistribute it, modify >or reissue it, without worrying that you've violated our copyright. > >The article itself is about an idealistic movement called "open >sourcing", which is all about free circulation of knowledge - an >emerging alternative to growing corporate power and restrictive >property rights. Open source is covered by a special licence called >the copyleft, which grants as much freedom as possible, as long as >you too release your version under the same copyleft terms and >conditions. > >In software, open source is an undoubted success. Now some of its >supporters are trying out its methods elsewhere. Already there's >open source music, open source encyclopaedias, open source law, even >open source soft drinks. > >We welcome your feedback on the concept, and input into the article >itself. No-one's really sure what the benefits of this experiment >will be, but if it works it could mean profound changes in >publishing, technology, music, even consumer products. > >Kind regards > >Alun Anderson >Editor-in-Chief >New Scientist Even Flood, Senior Academic Librarian RBT/Norwegian DIANE Center, University Library of Trondheim, N 7491 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 59 51 62, Fax +47 73 59 60 97 http://www.ub.ntnu.no/diane/ "Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow." (Shakespeare) From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Thu Jan 31 09:48:11 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A625@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> -----Original Message----- From: Masters, Gary E Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:02 AM To: 'drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU' Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Lots of companies are going bust because they constructed way more data lines than there is a market for, but the result is that we should be able to make good deals for a long time. That is if some of them stay in business. Good comment, Bill. This, if there is funding, is the way to go. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Drew, Bill [SMTP:drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. SUNY Morrisville actually has 8 to 10 T-1 lines. There is at least one deidcated to the dorms. Two (or more) are dedicated to academic traffic (labs, calssrooms, library public computers), several for our laptop wireless users when in the dorms, one or two for faculty offices, one for administrative offices, and such. It seems to be working very well comapred to six months ago when we had two for the whole campus. Our president's philososphy is not to limit use but to buy more bandwidth. Evidently we are getting very good deals because of new state ocntracts with our provider. I think its AT&T but am not 100% sure. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Chair, SUNYLA Automation and Information Technology Committee Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Jan 31 11:19:25 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A625@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> References: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A625@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Message-ID: <475114879.20020131091925@riverofdata.com> Thanks for the comments so far. I may not have communicated clearly in my first message. We have the ABILITY to block Kazaa or anything else with Packeteer. We don't have the PERMISSION to do so due to campus politics, the "rights" of the dorm students to have unrestricted acces, and so forth. To a certain extent we're dealing with dueling VPs. What I'm MOST interested in is not the technology, but if any of you in academic libraries have dealt with the politics, if any. Or, if you have any policies or documents, on the web or elsewhere that I could see, that address this. Yes, bandwidth is relatively cheap. We could go from the equivalent of 10 T-1s to a full T3 (i.e. from 15 MB to 45MB) for 24K to 42K a year over the current charges. However, there is some concern that even that could be filled by Kazaa and similar. There is also the question of money. We just had our budget cut 13% (the university, not just the library), so money is very tight. Anyway, thanks for the comments, both on and off list, and hope to get some more about policies. Do you limit Kazaa, for example, during day and not at night, what percentage do you give to those services, and so forth. Personally, I'm VERY unhappy that the less than ten percent who live on campus are ruining research and academic access for the whole university. Yeah, I know I often say that no one promised me life would be fair, but that doesn't mean I don't want to correct the wrongs that I can. Ammunition for me, y'all? thanks again dan Thursday, January 31, 2002, 7:50:03 AM, you wrote: MGE> Lots of companies are going bust because they constructed way more data MGE> lines than there is a market for, but the result is that we should be able MGE> to make good deals for a long time. That is if some of them stay in MGE> business. MGE> Good comment, Bill. This, if there is funding, is the way to go. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 31 11:22:09 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FW: RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <475114879.20020131091925@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: Dan, You should contact Jeff Ogden at Merit here in Michigan. They mentioned a similar problem here where students at Internet2 schools were using that infrastructure for peer-to-peer file sharing. I believe that they ended up limiting that traffic to a certain percentage of the bandwidth. I would agree with you that no matter how much bandwidth you provide, people will find a way to use it. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Dan Lester wrote: > Thanks for the comments so far. I may not have communicated clearly > in my first message. We have the ABILITY to block Kazaa or anything > else with Packeteer. We don't have the PERMISSION to do so due to > campus politics, the "rights" of the dorm students to have > unrestricted acces, and so forth. To a certain extent we're dealing > with dueling VPs. > > What I'm MOST interested in is not the technology, but if any of you > in academic libraries have dealt with the politics, if any. Or, if > you have any policies or documents, on the web or elsewhere that I > could see, that address this. > > Yes, bandwidth is relatively cheap. We could go from the equivalent > of 10 T-1s to a full T3 (i.e. from 15 MB to 45MB) for 24K to 42K a > year over the current charges. However, there is some concern that > even that could be filled by Kazaa and similar. There is also the > question of money. We just had our budget cut 13% (the university, > not just the library), so money is very tight. > > Anyway, thanks for the comments, both on and off list, and hope to get > some more about policies. Do you limit Kazaa, for example, during day > and not at night, what percentage do you give to those services, and > so forth. Personally, I'm VERY unhappy that the less than ten percent > who live on campus are ruining research and academic access for the > whole university. Yeah, I know I often say that no one promised me > life would be fair, but that doesn't mean I don't want to correct the > wrongs that I can. > > Ammunition for me, y'all? > > thanks again > > dan > > > Thursday, January 31, 2002, 7:50:03 AM, you wrote: > MGE> Lots of companies are going bust because they constructed way more data > MGE> lines than there is a market for, but the result is that we should be able > MGE> to make good deals for a long time. That is if some of them stay in > MGE> business. > MGE> Good comment, Bill. This, if there is funding, is the way to go. > > > > > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! > From jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu Thu Jan 31 11:41:54 2002 From: jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu (Jon Solomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020131083243.00afe590@library.berkeley.edu> This is something that has been really getting under my skin and I cannot figure out how to fix it. Any time I launch my browser (IE version 5 and up), the text size resets to "smallest," so I always have to change it to "smaller" or "medium." This is of course bothering me, but I am also concerned that this might be something IE consistently does, and in the case of public machines, this is not good. Many sites render unreadable with text size set to "smallest." Any suggestions? In my current situation, I am running win2k and so are the public machines, if that makes any difference. Thanks for any tips. -- jon ___________________________ jon d. solomon technical services business & economics library haas school of business university of california, berkeley 510.643.6473 jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From JillD at ci.tigard.or.us Thu Jan 31 11:56:35 2002 From: JillD at ci.tigard.or.us (Jill Donnelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: CD-R Use Summary and perhaps thought for discussion Message-ID: I posted over a month ago asking for experiences with CD-R's in public libraries...sorry for the delay...but... Here's the result. I got 8 responses 2 - interested in getting it this year, so looking for input 3 - just unpacking boxes, looking for input as well 3 - have been using for an average of two years with a variety of results. One response had no problems. 15 CD-R's in public use. Another response said they're not used much, but they have instructions on the web page, and they sell the media. (30 machines with CD-R's) The final respondee said they have 30 CD-R's also, but that they have been problematic in terms of user education. They have hand outs, and trained staff on hand, but are looking towards perhaps going for zip drives in the future. In the meantime we have implemented 13 in our library, but haven't gotten the staff trained on their use yet and apparently no one in the community has noticed that they are available. Our reference staff does all of the user support for the patrons and I am really hoping this doesn't become overwhelming for them. I don't know what it is about you reference librarians, but the ones here are so darn helpful. I'm trying to teach them boundaries and the words 'I can't help you with that' in terms of a few of the more out of this world computer support requests they've gotten. Am I so wrong in that? Open for discussion... From mmshutt at richland.lib.sc.us Thu Jan 31 12:05:06 2002 From: mmshutt at richland.lib.sc.us (Shutt, Michelle Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: web masters in public libraries Message-ID: <11417B1F1D0FD511AD990008C733A00B4764AC@riker.richland.lib.sc.us> Apologies for cross-posting We're a mid-size library with 10 branches, about 250,00 cardholders and a web site that has been growing in leaps and bounds over the past few years. We're up to about 300+ pages. Since the site is growing, we may need to look at how we manage the site (and who manages the site) and I'm looking for some feedback on how other libraries manage their web sites. Some of the things I'm interested in are the following: is there one official "web master" or Internet Librarian, how much time does that person spend on that part of the job (if it isn't full time), what is that person specifically responsible for, how much authority do they have (and where does the authority end), is there a committee, what is the relationship/responsibility of the committee, etc. If you have personnel who do this full time, would you be willing to share job descriptions with me? Basically, I'm looking for ANY information from similar-sized libraries or libraries with similar-sized web sites, on how and who manages the site. Also, what about competencies? What do you think someone in this position should know? Could know? Doesn't need to know? Send any and all info. to me off-list and if there's interest I'll post a summary. Thanks so much. ________________________ Michelle C. Miller Shutt Technology Support Librarian II Richland County Public Library 2001 Library of the Year 1431 Assembly St., Columbia SC 29201 http://www.richland.lib.sc.us (803) 929-3445 From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Jan 31 13:03:15 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020131083243.00afe590@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131125603.058ef008@mail.rpi.edu> This troubles me too and I expressed this same concern on this list (and others) just a few of weeks ago : http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0201/0138.html At that time I didn't receive much feedback at all. No one seems to know what makes IE (>5) default to "smaller" or "smallest" instead of "medium". Microsoft's site wasn't helpful either. Hopefully we'll sort it out this time? I too am running Win2K but I've seen it happen on Win98 as well. -kb At 08:45 AM 1/31/2002 -0800, you wrote: >This is something that has been really getting under my skin and I cannot >figure out how to fix it. Any time I launch my browser (IE version 5 and >up), the text size resets to "smallest," so I always have to change it to >"smaller" or "medium." This is of course bothering me, but I am also >concerned that this might be something IE consistently does, and in the >case of public machines, this is not good. Many sites render unreadable >with text size set to "smallest." Any suggestions? In my current >situation, I am running win2k and so are the public machines, if that makes >any difference. Thanks for any tips. > >-- jon >___________________________ > >jon d. >solomon >technical services >business & economics library >haas school of business >university of california, berkeley >510.643.6473 >jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From bob at esrl.lib.md.us Thu Jan 31 13:17:36 2002 From: bob at esrl.lib.md.us (bob@esrl.lib.md.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: non-SGML characters Message-ID: Hello. I've been using the • character to separate our address information at the bottom of our pages. But now, as I'm moving to XHTML 1.0, I'm finding that when I validate these characters are returned with the error "reference to non-SGML character". Here's my line to define content-type: Is there a different charset I should be using that would allow these characters to validate properly? I could just take them out. They aren't critical. But I'd like to know why they don't work with XHTML. -- Bob Long, Eastern Shore Regional Library Senior Systems Technician 410 479 0776 (v) 410 548 5807 (f) From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Jan 31 13:18:16 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBC2@mail1.morrisville.edu> IE 6 seems to default to medium. Another reason to upgrade. Bill Drew From CHHammer at olivet.edu Thu Jan 31 13:20:26 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web masters in public AND academic libraries Message-ID: Yes, I'm interested. Please post to the list. Also, if anyone is interested in responding to the same (or similar) questions for academics (any size libraries), please send to me and I'll summarize to the list. Questions to answer: 1. Number of undergrad students, full plus part time 2. Number of grad students, full plus part time 3. Number of paper volumes in the library 4. Number of paper periodical titles in the library 5. Number of commercial databases library web site connects to 6. Number of locally developed or non-commercial databases library web site connects to 7. Number of pages in the library web site 8. Number of pages in the library web site that interact with locally developed or non-commercial databases 9. Title of person in charge of library web site, librarian or otherwise 10. This person's library web site duties full time or part time 11. This person works for the library or someone else (who?) 12. This person's responsibilities, library and otherwise, web pages and otherwise 13. This person's authority 14. Number on web committee and who they are 15. Competencies this web leader needs 16. Attach any in-force job descriptions for this web leader you may have Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu >>> "Shutt, Michelle Miller" 01/31/02 11:18AM >>> Apologies for cross-posting We're a mid-size library with 10 branches, about 250,00 cardholders and a web site that has been growing in leaps and bounds over the past few years. We're up to about 300+ pages. Since the site is growing, we may need to look at how we manage the site (and who manages the site) and I'm looking for some feedback on how other libraries manage their web sites. Some of the things I'm interested in are the following: is there one official "web master" or Internet Librarian, how much time does that person spend on that part of the job (if it isn't full time), what is that person specifically responsible for, how much authority do they have (and where does the authority end), is there a committee, what is the relationship/responsibility of the committee, etc. If you have personnel who do this full time, would you be willing to share job descriptions with me? Basically, I'm looking for ANY information from similar-sized libraries or libraries with similar-sized web sites, on how and who manages the site. Also, what about competencies? What do you think someone in this position should know? Could know? Doesn't need to know? Send any and all info. to me off-list and if there's interest I'll post a summary. Thanks so much. ________________________ Michelle C. Miller Shutt Technology Support Librarian II Richland County Public Library 2001 Library of the Year 1431 Assembly St., Columbia SC 29201 http://www.richland.lib.sc.us (803) 929-3445 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Jan 31 13:29:53 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBC2@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131132601.01d71440@mail.rpi.edu> Can you confirm that IE6 does that in all environments and at all times? Upgrading isn't the issue for me. According to my logs, the vast majority of my IE users have 5.x I want to know if there is something I can do with markup to get a handle on the situation. So far my tests haven't yielded anything ... Thanks -kb At 01:18 PM 1/31/2002 -0500, Drew, Bill wrote: > IE 6 seems to default to medium. Another reason to upgrade. > >Bill Drew _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Jan 31 13:41:49 2002 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FW: RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <475114879.20020131091925@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: Dan, The approach our campus computing center took is: Do the students have the right to commit copyright violations? According to our campus computing center their view is that if the user has purchased the item, say a CD, then the user does have the right to have the mp3 version of the songs that are on that CD. Access to the programs that install local servers such as Morpheus are denied from off campus ip addresses. Denying access to the students machine from outside sources I don't think would be a violation of the student's right. Basically our Computing Center has validated limited port access via copyright infringements and so far I haven't heard any feuding over it. Our Network Support Services found that a lot of the traffic previously flooding the back bone was from off campus IPs accessing napster, morpheus and these type programs on student machines and some staff and faculty. I suspect the University is liable by providing the means for the user to violate the copyright laws, you may want to check with your University Lawyer. You may want to go to the URLs provided here for easier reading. >From the Campus Computer Policy at http://www2.acs.appstate.edu/computer.htm Theft includes the stealing of any property of the Institution, or State of North Carolina. Violations include, but are not limited to: copying, or attempting to copy, data or software without proper authorization. The Resident Network policy:(Resnet is the subnet all students are allowed on for their personal machines) http://www.resnet.appstate.edu/resnet/usage.html Includes: The University reserves the right to remove ResNet users from the network without cause or notification. This removal may be permanent if the user has violated any of the Policies or Rules as stated in this or other documents ResNet reserves the right to remove ResNet users from the network if the amount of traffic is determined to be unusually high. Application Servers Under no circumstances will any ResNet user be permitted to use their network connection to freely distribute application software. This is violation of the Federal Copyright and Trade Secret Laws. ResNet reserves the right to remove a ResNet user from the network. The user will be subject to discipline under appropriate University policies. Copyright/Intellectual Property Under no circumstances will any ResNet user be permitted to use their network connection to freely distribute copyrighted materials without the owner authorization. This includes all digital media. This is violation of the Federal Copyright and Trade Secrets Laws. ResNet reserves the right to remove a ResNet user from the network. Violators will be removed from the network and subjected to discipline under appropriate University policies. And at the bottom of the page for the ResNet policy is: The University reserves the right to monitor and control the use of the network services. Due to limited bandwidth, the University may limit the use of network services such as multi-user download utilities or web services (for example, Napster), Anonymous FTP, game servers, etc. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FW: RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Thanks for the comments so far. I may not have communicated clearly in my first message. We have the ABILITY to block Kazaa or anything else with Packeteer. We don't have the PERMISSION to do so due to campus politics, the "rights" of the dorm students to have unrestricted acces, and so forth. To a certain extent we're dealing with dueling VPs. What I'm MOST interested in is not the technology, but if any of you in academic libraries have dealt with the politics, if any. Or, if you have any policies or documents, on the web or elsewhere that I could see, that address this. Yes, bandwidth is relatively cheap. We could go from the equivalent of 10 T-1s to a full T3 (i.e. from 15 MB to 45MB) for 24K to 42K a year over the current charges. However, there is some concern that even that could be filled by Kazaa and similar. There is also the question of money. We just had our budget cut 13% (the university, not just the library), so money is very tight. Anyway, thanks for the comments, both on and off list, and hope to get some more about policies. Do you limit Kazaa, for example, during day and not at night, what percentage do you give to those services, and so forth. Personally, I'm VERY unhappy that the less than ten percent who live on campus are ruining research and academic access for the whole university. Yeah, I know I often say that no one promised me life would be fair, but that doesn't mean I don't want to correct the wrongs that I can. Ammunition for me, y'all? thanks again dan Thursday, January 31, 2002, 7:50:03 AM, you wrote: MGE> Lots of companies are going bust because they constructed way more data MGE> lines than there is a market for, but the result is that we should be able MGE> to make good deals for a long time. That is if some of them stay in MGE> business. MGE> Good comment, Bill. This, if there is funding, is the way to go. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Jan 31 14:15:41 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131132601.01d71440@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <00a401c1aa8b$ac696950$e84ae980@Gollum> We've got a few hundred staff and OPAC machines with verisons of IE ranging from 5.x to 6.x, and I can't recall ever having this problem. The text size remains what it's set to. Is there some sort of Windows profile/policy that's setting it when you login? Our OPACs get reset on login to "Smaller" using group policy settings. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From John.Little at Duke.edu Thu Jan 31 14:27:37 2002 From: John.Little at Duke.edu (John Little) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: web masters in public AND academic libraries Message-ID: <000b01c1aa8d$57614e30$01c01098@lib.duke.edu> Some of this information can be found in a report published by ARL. Staffing the Library Website SPEC Kit 266 November 2001 The table of contents, executive summary, and ordering information are on the web / John.Little@Duke.edu Web Development Librarian 919.660.5932 From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Jan 31 14:32:26 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBC2@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBC2@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3786695181.20020131123226@riverofdata.com> Thursday, January 31, 2002, 12:02:39 PM, you wrote: DB> IE 6 seems to default to medium. Another reason to upgrade. IE6 defaults to medium. But we never had IE5.x do anything but default to medium either. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Jan 31 14:35:25 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: text size in IE 5+ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131132601.01d71440@mail.rpi.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131132601.01d71440@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <586874879.20020131123525@riverofdata.com> Thursday, January 31, 2002, 12:07:21 PM, you wrote: KWB> Can you confirm that IE6 does that in all environments and at all times? Obviously, no one can guarantee that. And that's why I reported that we didn't have the problem with 5.x or with 6. Considering all the possibilities with some registry settings that may have been confounded by another program, the varieties of video drivers, and goodness knows what else, no one can guarantee any of it. But as we all know, that's life on the web. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jan 31 14:56:51 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] non-SGML characters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131141510.00b0ed40@ohiolink.edu> At 02:02 PM 1/31/2002, bob@esrl.lib.md.us wrote: >Hello. > >I've been using the • character to separate our address information >at the bottom of our pages. But now, as I'm moving to XHTML 1.0, I'm >finding that when I validate these characters are returned with the error >"reference to non-SGML character". > >Here's my line to define content-type: > > > >Is there a different charset I should be using that would allow these >characters to validate properly? I think you can solve the academic validation problem with "charset=Windows-1252". However, that won't solve the fact that there are browsers that will either not display any character there, or display some other character. I don't know of any browsers that actually change their character handling based on the charset in the content type. There may be *indexers* - but they'd want an actual HTTP header, not a meta tag (if I'm wrong, someone stop me before I make a fool of myself). You might have more success rewriting them as legal characters in UTF-8. The bullet character (#149) = • = • (&8226; will have wider support.) >I could just take them out. They aren't critical. But I'd like to know >why they don't work with XHTML. Characters 128 through 159 have always been undefined in the ISO Latin-1 character sets and in Unicode, which includes the UTF-8 you're sending to the validator. Other common characters whose Windows-1252 position is undefined in ISO Latin or Unicode: Ellipsis (#133) = … = … En Dash (#150) = – = – Em Dash (#150) = — = — Curly single quote (#145 and #146) = ‘ and ’ = ‘ and ’ Curly double quotes (#147 and #148) = “ and ” = “ and ” [Unregistered] Trademark (#153) = ™ = ™ Euro (#128) = € = € NS4 will only understand the numeric entities. ☹ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Thu Jan 31 15:06:59 2002 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: FW: RE: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <475114879.20020131091925@riverofdata.com> References: <475114879.20020131091925@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <5511927.1012489619@[0.0.0.0]> --On Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:21 AM -0800 Dan Lester wrote: > Thanks for the comments so far. I may not have communicated clearly > in my first message. We have the ABILITY to block Kazaa or anything > else with Packeteer. We don't have the PERMISSION to do so due to > campus politics, the "rights" of the dorm students to have > unrestricted acces, and so forth. To a certain extent we're dealing > with dueling VPs. > > What I'm MOST interested in is not the technology, but if any of you > in academic libraries have dealt with the politics, if any. Or, if > you have any policies or documents, on the web or elsewhere that I > could see, that address this. This is covered under our network Acceptable Use Policy in a number of ways. Without even examining the traffic to determine whether there are copyright volations going on, someone sucking up all available bandwidth is already violating our "no individual should make use of computer resources in any manner that interferes with the ability of others to make equal use of those same resources" clause. We had to go after someone last year using a P2P application consuming the vast majority of our WAN link to the main campus. Good luck creating/enforcing your policies... Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jan 31 15:57:26 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: non-SGML characters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131141510.00b0ed40@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131154127.022ffd08@ohiolink.edu> >I think you can solve the academic validation problem with >"charset=Windows-1252". However, that won't solve the fact that there are >browsers that will either not display any character there, or display some >other character. I don't know of any browsers that actually change their >character handling based on the charset in the content type. There may be >*indexers* - but they'd want an actual HTTP header, not a meta tag (if I'm >wrong, someone stop me before I make a fool of myself). Well, that ship has sailed. Obviously, browsers respond to charsets in order to display pages in non-Roman scripts. Also, while changing the charset might make the actual character #149 valid, the numeric character entity "•" still represents Unicode and is still invalid (you see, there's SGML's and XML's "document character set" which isn't necessarily your *document's* character set...suddenly my brain hurts). So stick with UTF-8 and valid entities • or •. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From laura at edunet.tc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 31 16:23:00 2002 From: laura at edunet.tc.columbia.edu (laura kortz) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: web masters Message-ID: <7B5C88805712D611AFA800A0C9AD2377@edunet.tc.columbia.edu> One variable left out of that report, and the most interesting one to me, is what the salary ranges are ... any ideas on where that would be available? ................................................ Laura Kortz Research Literacy Librarian Milbank Memorial Library Teachers College, Columbia University 525 W. 120th Street New York, NY 10027 Phone: 212-678-3068 FAX: 212-678-8186 -----Original Message----- From: John.Little [mailto:John.Little@Duke.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:54 PM To: laura kortz; Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: web masters in public AND Some of this information can be found in a report published by ARL. Staffing the Library Website SPEC Kit 266 November 2001 The table of contents, executive summary, and ordering information are on the web / John.Little@Duke.edu Web Development Librarian 919.660.5932 From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Thu Jan 31 17:26:12 2002 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web masters In-Reply-To: <7B5C88805712D611AFA800A0C9AD2377@edunet.tc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Take a look at: Salary & Hiring Info: Librarians By business sector, job title and institution/industry, 2000 http://www.careerjournal.com/salaries/industries/librarians/20001206-librari ans-tab.html Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager Business 2.0 Microsoft's Missed Opportunity http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37449,FF.html > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of laura kortz > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] web masters > > > One variable left out of that report, and the most interesting > one to me, is > what the salary ranges are ... any ideas on where that would be available? > > ............................................... > Laura Kortz > Research Literacy Librarian > Milbank Memorial Library > Teachers College, Columbia University > 525 W. 120th Street > New York, NY 10027 > Phone: 212-678-3068 > FAX: 212-678-8186 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John.Little [mailto:John.Little@Duke.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:54 PM > To: laura kortz; Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: web masters in public AND > > > > > Some of this information can be found in a report published by ARL. > > Staffing the Library Website > SPEC Kit 266 > November 2001 > > The table of contents, executive summary, and ordering information are on > the web > > > / > John.Little@Duke.edu > Web Development Librarian > 919.660.5932 > > From jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu Thu Jan 31 17:41:17 2002 From: jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu (Jon Solomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: text size in IE 5+ Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020131143412.00b0ea58@library.berkeley.edu> Is there some sort of Windows profile/policy that's setting it when you login? Our OPACs get reset on login to "Smaller" using group policy settings. - Darryl you know, this is probably what's going on--at least on our public machines. and in fact, that makes sense to me to have that occur. but what about my pc? if i want to change the text size in my browser, why doens't it remember that the next time i launch it? in this case, it has nothing to do with me loging in. it's a matter of closing my browser and re-opening it later. are you saying that settings for this type of thing are stored somewhere else in windows, and not simply in the browser options which is what i thought the case was? -- jon ___________________________ jon d. solomon technical services business & economics library haas school of business university of california, berkeley 510.643.6473 jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Thu Jan 31 18:45:56 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: web masters Message-ID: <200201311845.AA406061204@ansernet.rcls.org> The source of the link below is SLA; they have their 2001 survey online at: http://www.sla.org/content/memberservice/researchforum/salarysurveys/salsur2001/index.cfm ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Shirl Kennedy" Reply-To: sdk@tampabay.rr.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:27:28 -0800 (PST) >Take a look at: > >Salary & Hiring Info: Librarians >By business sector, job title and institution/industry, 2000 >http://www.careerjournal.com/salaries/industries/librarians/20001206-librari >ans-tab.html > > > >Shirl Kennedy >Web Guide Manager >Business 2.0 > >Microsoft's Missed Opportunity >http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37449,FF.html > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: web4lib@webjunction.org >> [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of laura kortz >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:33 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: [WEB4LIB] web masters >> >> >> One variable left out of that report, and the most interesting >> one to me, is >> what the salary ranges are ... any ideas on where that would be available? >> >> ............................................... >> Laura Kortz >> Research Literacy Librarian >> Milbank Memorial Library >> Teachers College, Columbia University >> 525 W. 120th Street >> New York, NY 10027 >> Phone: 212-678-3068 >> FAX: 212-678-8186 >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John.Little [mailto:John.Little@Duke.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:54 PM >> To: laura kortz; Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: web masters in public AND >> >> >> >> >> Some of this information can be found in a report published by ARL. >> >> Staffing the Library Website >> SPEC Kit 266 >> November 2001 >> >> The table of contents, executive summary, and ordering information are on >> the web >> >> >> / >> John.Little@Duke.edu >> Web Development Librarian >> 919.660.5932 >> >> > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Thu Jan 31 19:04:29 2002 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: charset metatag Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BF9E@ex2.uchsc.edu> >Here's my line to define content-type: > > > >Is there a different charset I should be using that would allow these >characters to validate properly? We've changed to for the time being, just because we noticed the UTF-8 setting causing occasional problems with Netscape 4.7x Jeff Kuntzman Univ Colorado Health Sciences Center Denison Memorial Library From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 20:36:05 2002 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: Hot Sync to This Site: PDAs Playing in Peoria Libraries to the Point of Care Message-ID: <20020201013605.80273.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Hotsync to This Site: PDAs Playing in Peoria Libraries To the Point of Care! PDAs are playing in Peoria libraries to the point of care in two Peoria, Illinois medical libraries, OSF Saint Francis Medical Center Library & Resource Center and the University of Illinois at Chicago Library of the Health Sciences-Peoria. A website for the LSTA grant project, funded by the Illinois State Library, a division of the Office of the Secretary of State, has been launched at http://pdagrant.osfsaintfrancis.org. The website contains information about the project and links to resources on handheld computing for librarians and medical students, residents, physicians, nurses, and other personnel. The website is one of many activities which are part of the project to provide critical knowledge-based resources at the point of care or patient bedside through the use of handheld computing technology. In addition to loaning handheld computers with medical resources on them, the libraries are providing access to electronic books, interactive databases such as ovid@hand, training, and technical support to medical professionals. The libraries will also host a conference on pdas for librarians scheduled for June 7, 2002 featuring Mari Stoddard of Arizona Health Sciences Library as the keynote speaker. For further information, hotsync to the site or contact Carol Galganski, Project Director at carol.galganski@osfhealthcare.org, (309)655-2268, or Lori Bell, lori.bell@osfhealthcare.org, (309)655-2269. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From eric at openly.com Thu Jan 31 23:51:51 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: non-SGML characters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131154127.022ffd08@ohiolink.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131154127.022ffd08@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: If you use numeric entities in xml, it won't matter what what encoding you set. In other words, • means BULLET, BLACK SMALL CIRCLE whether your encoding is utf-8, shift-JIS, euc-kr or mac-symbol in xml, the encoding tells the parser how to read bytes. however, the character set is ALWAYS Unicode, excluding the control characters. the Unicode character #149 is a in a control character zone and is not a legal XML character. Eric At 1:00 PM -0800 1/31/02, Thomas Dowling wrote: > >I think you can solve the academic validation problem with >>"charset=Windows-1252". However, that won't solve the fact that there are >>browsers that will either not display any character there, or display some >>other character. I don't know of any browsers that actually change their >>character handling based on the charset in the content type. There may be >>*indexers* - but they'd want an actual HTTP header, not a meta tag (if I'm >>wrong, someone stop me before I make a fool of myself). > > >Well, that ship has sailed. Obviously, browsers respond to charsets in >order to display pages in non-Roman scripts. Also, while changing the >charset might make the actual character #149 valid, the numeric character >entity "•" still represents Unicode and is still invalid (you see, >there's SGML's and XML's "document character set" which isn't necessarily >your *document's* character set...suddenly my brain hurts). > >So stick with UTF-8 and valid entities • or •. > > >Thomas Dowling >OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu -- Eric Hellman, President Openly Informatics, Inc. eric@openly.com 2 Broad St., 2nd Floor tel 1-973-509-7800 fax 1-734-468-6216 Bloomfield, NJ 07003 http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jan 30 03:50:55 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OCLC WorldCat access via abebooks In-Reply-To: <200202012151.AA1984757902@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020130033639.009fee20@imap.gwu.edu> Jerry: Here is the official announcement from Abebooks: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/TextToHtml?t=Media+Room&h=x&f=abemedia/pressbox/2002/17012002.htm ALSO: OCLC made the same deal with Alibris, another online used book service, this past October. Details via my blog, The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk: http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com/2001_10_01_resourceshelf_archive.html#6461460 cheers, gary At 09:57 PM 2/1/02, Jerry Kuntz wrote: >Discovered this at the blog Boing Boing: > >"Library census. Amazon salesrankings are interesting, but what about the >noncommercial world of library shelves? Wouldn't it be cool to discover >which libraries are holding onto how many copies of your favorite books? >The Online Computer Library Center provides just such a search -- for a >fee. However, Abebooks (an online antiquarian and rare book-search >service) has a free back-door into the service. Here's how it works: Go to >this site and enter a search for a title that isn't in any of Abebooks' >members' catalogs. You'll be presented with a link that activates a >back-door search of the OCLC's library database, which returns a list of >all the American libraries that have a copy on their shelves. Complicated, >but cool." > >Not complicated, really, but cool! Can you think of a better free >verification resource? [By the way, you can try author Kuntz, title >Kidsclick as an example ;-)] > > > >-- >Jerry Kuntz >Electronic Resources Consultant >Ramapo Catskill Library System >jkuntz@rcls.org > >-- Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From calumet at mindspring.com Wed Jan 2 09:42:21 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: 1901 England/Wales census now available online Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102094033.022b1010@pop.mindspring.com> Good morning, I thought an excerpt from this morning's ResearchBuzz might be of some interest. best, Tara ResearchBuzz -- Search engine, database, and online collection news since 1998! http://www.researchbuzz.com --- 1901 Census for England and Wales Published Online Hey hey! The 1901 Census for England and Wales is now available at http://www.census.pro.gov.uk . Unfortunately due to heavy demand the site is only intermittently available, but I was able to get through after a couple of tries. You're able to search by first name, last name, gender, age +/- years (for example, I can search for Wodehouse, age 20, +/- five years) where born, and place keywords. You may choose to have 20, 30, or 40 search results per page. The advanced search allows you to also include marital status, occupation, and relation to head of the family. There are also searches for places (rural districts, civil parishes, etc) institutions (hospitals, barracks), and vessels (naval or merchant.) Searching for a Wodehouse, male, age 20 plus or minus five years finds a Pelham Wodehouse, born in Guildford, Surrey, 19 years old, working as an assistant. Cool! Search results gives you a table that includes name, age, where born, administrative county, civil parish, and occupation. Click on a name and you'll discover that getting more details will require paying some money. I recommend against doing that until their server load slows down a little. Using this site is EXTREMELY slow right now, but the prospect of 32 million names from the England Wales census of 1901 is really exciting. Worth a look, but you'll have to be very patient. From th99 at cornell.edu Wed Jan 2 10:14:42 2002 From: th99 at cornell.edu (Thomas H. Hahn) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: GIS datasets on library web sites Message-ID: <001b01c193a0$34406390$8bdcfd80@HAN> Dear colleagues, In order to prepare for a presentation on the subject, I'd like to have your esteemed input. I am concerned about the ways libraries are serving GIS datasets to their patrons. To clarify: these datasets come in a variety of types and formats: a) spatial data (shape files and such, delineating feature types, such as cities, rivers, buildings, etc.) b) in tabular form (database or spreadsheet formats; census statistics arranged by province and county for example) c) image data (usually vectorized maps, some of them interactive) d) in most cases, all three types are bundled into one (oftentimes interactive) GIS offering, such as the case with the Alexandria Digital Library for example (see http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/adl.html for more). To make matters yet more complex, some image data are (large) raster images, i.e. static files which cannot be computed and recreated through live, interactive queries. In order to structure the issues at hand, a short questionnaire is provided below (no more than 10 questions in all), which will help organize the information you may want to share. Please respond directly to me (Thomas H. Hahn) at th99@cornell.edu. If this subject has already been raised earlier, my apologies. However, my research in the web4lib archives did not yield any recent and relevant postings on GIS and library web sites. Your input would be greatly appreciated. I will aggregate the findings and will post a summary back to the list once I have received sufficient feedback to work with. My presentation will also be available online in early March. ********************************** 1. Does your library system include a GIS lab? If so, since when? 2. Does your library system employ a (one, or more) GIS data specialist? If so, since when? 3. Is your library actively acquiring GIS datasets? Do your area collections (East Asian, Latin-American, etc. for example) contribute and share in this collection development policy (if it is formulated and posted as such)? 4. If you are a national repository for GIS data, what is the in-house policy regarding the useage of the data by the general public? (yes, I know, recently in connection with 9/11 some sensitive datasets were withdrawn. This is not the issue here...) 5. Are spatial data part of your regular e-resource offerings? a) do these data live in a specialized library web environment (i.e. complete with special instructions, in a different layout, with a separate logistal framework for patron support; or as part of the map library for example)? b) or are they anchored without further ado within the general library web environment? 6. Who - within the context of the library divisions and departments - handles GIS dataset related questions from/by the public? The regular reference departments? Or mostly the map librarian(s)? 7. How are the basic training requirements to handle these data observed within the context of librarian's employment development (internally), and outreach and "classic" BI (externally)? 8. What have you identified as special requirements for the library client machines in order to facilitate the export or downloading and manipulation of these data types (I am thinking about ArcExplorer for example)? And have special funds been set aside to make these clients GIS-enabled? 9. It is now standard practice to incorporate GIS datasets into the library catalog system. Yet how and in which environment does your library deal with the metadata aspect of your geospatial data collections? 10. Any notes or comments you may wish to add? *********************************************************** As I stated above already, your time and feedback will be greatly appreciated. My hope is to be able to create a tentative overview and operational profile of how modern libraries successfully manage these types of data, which are - everybody admits - rather specific, often huge, and, when viewed from both from the client's end and from the provider's (i.e.in this case: the library's) side, never really all that easy to deal with. With many thanks and season's greetings. Thomas H. Hahn Cornell University Library th99@cornell.edu Tel.: 607-255-5759 From CHHammer at olivet.edu Wed Jan 2 12:34:30 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: As a follow-up to a recent discussion here about Google going commercial, new evidence has arrived on the Google site with their recent mounting of a beta version of a new retailer catalog service (http://catalogs.google.com). The catalog service follows on their recent entry into selling space on search results pages that are tied to keywords typed into their search boxes. This is not the same as (the much worse ) selling of placement in its database search results, but it certainly has its own ethical hazards. As ZDNet News says in their article at http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100863,00.html, "The company has long cast itself as an incorruptible search service in an increasingly profit-driven business--an image that helped it win a die-hard grassroots following." My guess is that this discussion group is a part of that group of die-hard users. Will this ongoing commercialization of a very good search engine make any of you change your approach to this product? Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Jan 2 12:48:27 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More on Google going commercial Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BAB7@mail1.morrisville.edu> Oh My God! Google costs money to run? All this hand wringing about Google adding commercial features and services really rubs me the wrong way. As long as they are clear about what they are doing, what is the real problem? There is no free lunch and there never has been a free lunch. Thanks to the people at Google for finding a business model that works. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Jan 2 13:10:38 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More on Google going commercial Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BAB9@mail1.morrisville.edu> I don't understand the problem some of us are having with the new catalog search on Google. It really shows how flexible the service is. I hope they make lots of money off of it. Yahoo is still the first place I send students that need to search for web pages. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jan 2 13:34:43 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: Speaking of Google Message-ID: <003201c193bc$25e23140$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> For your Google tips and tricks file. You can use the * (asterisk) as a wildcard in a Google phrase search For your Google tips and tricks file. Here are a few examples: "Lord * * Flies" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22lord+*+*+flies%22 "Nothing to * * * Itself" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22nothing+to+*+*+*+itself%22&btnG=Goog le+Search "George * Bush" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22george+*+bush%22&btnG=Google+Search Perhaps the ability to truncate search terms with Google is not far off? cheers, gary p.s. Kudos to Bill D. for his Google commercialization comments. 100% agreement here. Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From nathanw at nils.lib.il.us Wed Jan 2 13:53:23 2002 From: nathanw at nils.lib.il.us (Nathan Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Looking for two articles on filtering Message-ID: <94B701C29FC0D411B22100508BAF32AA03BB07@EXCHANGE> You may also want to check out http://www.onlinepolicy.org nathan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sauers [mailto:msauers@bcr.org] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Looking for two articles on filtering I've been requested to give a one-hour talk on filtering in libraries to a Sociology 101 class in a few weeks. The instructor would like to give the class some reading to do before the actual class. What I'm looking for are two articles, 5-10 pages each, one in favor of filtering, one against. These are undergraduate art students and not library school students. Any suggestions welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 2 14:07:31 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <167499511579.20020102120731@riverofdata.com> Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 10:37:42 AM, you wrote: CH> As ZDNet News says in their article at CH> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100863,00.html, CH> "The company has long cast itself as an incorruptible search CH> service in an increasingly profit-driven business--an image CH> that helped it win a die-hard grassroots following." My guess CH> is that this discussion group is a part of that group of die-hard CH> users. Will this ongoing commercialization of a very good search CH> engine make any of you change your approach to this product? I can't imagine why it matters. The ads come up on some searches, but they're clearly identified. I searched "computer mouse" and got to sponsored links, but the next two links were links to Engelbart's original demo of the mouse in '68. I see ads on CNN.com, on CNN on the tube, and in the NYTimes. That doesn't mean that I avoid them, either. I suppose that those who demo it in library instruction classes or in the reference area should point out to the patron that there are sponsored links, but I'll bet that most of the students understand that already. Happy 2002, dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Wed Jan 2 14:16:50 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More on Google going commercial References: Message-ID: <3C335CA2.499FA3A3@yvrls.lib.wa.us> To be honest, I'm surprised it took this long for Google to "go commercial." But do I have a problem with it? Absolutely not, so long as they keep the search engine part as free as it has been and as well put together as it is. As for the catalog database, I think it's pretty cool and has the makings of one scathingly brilliant business plan. Google can charge for the advertising, a copy of a company's print catalog reaches a larger market, and people can use these archived catalogs to purchase things from the company. Where's the problem? Being someone who never has, and probably never will, completely grown up I decided to do a search for a favourite toy, the Transformer named Optimus Prime. I heard a new version of this toy was available and I wanted to play with the catalog database anyway. A couple of clicks later, I had a full colour picture out of the FAO Schawrz catalog, along with price. And I could order the item out of the catalog, a remarkable feat since the nearest FAO Schawrz from where I live is over 200 miles away and I never receive a catalog from them. Besides, it always peeved me that, for many of the catalogs Google lists, I would have to pay money to get them. I consider it a service that Google is providing that I can now access those catalogs for free. Bottom line, in my opinion, as long as Google doesn't start in with pop-up. pop-under, and flashy ads and as long as they keep delivering the same high quality searches which they are well known for, I've got little problem with their commercialization. Face it folks, the beautiful days of being able to surf the web sans advertisement are LONG gone. Heck, I can't even start up my mail programme without getting an ad. I suggest that folks do what I do with ads, at least most of the time... Ignore them. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Jan 2 14:37:08 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BAB7@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <000001c193c4$e05144a0$43defea9@XENA> The question is not whether Web portals need money to function, but to whom they are beholden--the public good, or the profit motives of their owners. If Google's primary responsibility is to turn a profit, it may be a wonderful resource, but its priorities and outcomes will always be driven by its allegiance to its shareholders. And that changes things. Public-domain portals--LII, Infomine, BUBL, Scout, MEL, IPL, etc.--are driven by a different set of priorities and expectations. Public-domain portals need money, too, but the funding comes from the public (or in some cases from philanthropies). It would be self-defeating for these portals to sell relevance, for example, because it would undermine the public's trust. If you're still missing the point here, think about Starbucks vs. your average public library. Where does Starbucks build? Starbucks is putting a store in my neighborhood even though we have several good independent coffeeshops, and that's because it knows it will make money (at the expense of these small businesses, I might add). It isn't building coffeeshops in poor downtown Richmond, where a latte would be a true novelty and where their presence wouldn't dilute local businesses. Where do public libraries build? Where they are needed--where they best serve their communities. (Usually, of course, and we don't need to hash out exceptions.) I don't begrudge Google its commercialism, but I also won't confuse it with a resource created by the people, for the people. Information, as a public good, needs high-trust caretakers whose primary allegiance is to public service. Karen G. Schneider Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet http://lii.org ::-----Original Message----- ::From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] ::On Behalf Of Drew, Bill ::Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:50 AM ::To: Multiple recipients of list ::Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial :: ::Oh My God! Google costs money to run? All this hand wringing about ::Google ::adding commercial features and services really rubs me the wrong way. As ::long as they are clear about what they are doing, what is the real ::problem? ::There is no free lunch and there never has been a free lunch. Thanks to ::the ::people at Google for finding a business model that works. :: ::Wilfred (Bill) Drew ::Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference ::SUNY Morrisville College Library ::E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu ::BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ ::Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ ::Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ ::Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ ::SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From gwasdin at nypl.org Wed Jan 2 14:34:41 2002 From: gwasdin at nypl.org (gwasdin@nypl.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: Hmmm.....you are probably right that we don't need to hash it out, but really.......public libraries put "Where they are needed--where they best serve their communities???" Haven't seen a lot of that. If that were so, we'd surely have a lot more libraries in poorer communities. Libraries are subject to the exact same pressures that Google (and almost everything!) faces. Gary "Karen G. Schneider" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Sent by: web4lib@sunsite.be rkeley.edu 01/02/2002 02:39 PM Please respond to kgs The question is not whether Web portals need money to function, but to whom they are beholden--the public good, or the profit motives of their owners. If Google's primary responsibility is to turn a profit, it may be a wonderful resource, but its priorities and outcomes will always be driven by its allegiance to its shareholders. And that changes things. Public-domain portals--LII, Infomine, BUBL, Scout, MEL, IPL, etc.--are driven by a different set of priorities and expectations. Public-domain portals need money, too, but the funding comes from the public (or in some cases from philanthropies). It would be self-defeating for these portals to sell relevance, for example, because it would undermine the public's trust. If you're still missing the point here, think about Starbucks vs. your average public library. Where does Starbucks build? Starbucks is putting a store in my neighborhood even though we have several good independent coffeeshops, and that's because it knows it will make money (at the expense of these small businesses, I might add). It isn't building coffeeshops in poor downtown Richmond, where a latte would be a true novelty and where their presence wouldn't dilute local businesses. Where do public libraries build? Where they are needed--where they best serve their communities. (Usually, of course, and we don't need to hash out exceptions.) I don't begrudge Google its commercialism, but I also won't confuse it with a resource created by the people, for the people. Information, as a public good, needs high-trust caretakers whose primary allegiance is to public service. Karen G. Schneider Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet http://lii.org ::-----Original Message----- ::From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] ::On Behalf Of Drew, Bill ::Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:50 AM ::To: Multiple recipients of list ::Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial :: ::Oh My God! Google costs money to run? All this hand wringing about ::Google ::adding commercial features and services really rubs me the wrong way. As ::long as they are clear about what they are doing, what is the real ::problem? ::There is no free lunch and there never has been a free lunch. Thanks to ::the ::people at Google for finding a business model that works. :: ::Wilfred (Bill) Drew ::Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference ::SUNY Morrisville College Library ::E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu ::BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ ::Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ ::Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ ::Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ ::SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From babbot at lsuhsc.edu Wed Jan 2 15:02:45 2002 From: babbot at lsuhsc.edu (Abbott, Bruce) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More on Google going commercial Message-ID: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABBB6188B@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> Another major problem with commercialization of web search engines is that sponsor sites have their listings moved to the top of the retrieval list. As it is, the algorithms which determine the relevance of a given search are not available for examination by the searcher. With commercial sponsors, retrieval can be skewed by factors which have little to do with the relevance to a given search. Bruce Abbott Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 504-568-7718 (fax) 504-568-6103 (voice) babbot@lsuhsc.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 2 15:08:14 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: <000001c193c4$e05144a0$43defea9@XENA> References: <000001c193c4$e05144a0$43defea9@XENA> Message-ID: <86503154537.20020102130814@riverofdata.com> Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 12:39:48 PM, you wrote: KGS> The question is not whether Web portals need money to function, but to KGS> whom they are beholden--the public good, or the profit motives of their KGS> owners. If Google's primary responsibility is to turn a profit, it may KGS> be a wonderful resource, but its priorities and outcomes will always be KGS> driven by its allegiance to its shareholders. And that changes things. This is true, and I'm sure we all understand that. Heavens, I'm sure that some of us have retirement funds (whether personally or corporately managed) in some of those companies. KGS> Public-domain portals--LII, Infomine, BUBL, Scout, MEL, IPL, etc.--are KGS> driven by a different set of priorities and expectations. Public-domain KGS> portals need money, too, but the funding comes from the public (or in KGS> some cases from philanthropies). It would be self-defeating for these KGS> portals to sell relevance, for example, because it would undermine the KGS> public's trust. Absolutely. Again, I'm sure we all know that. However, it may be important, or at least useful, to emphasize the differences in library instruction and elsewhere. All that being said, it is still important for us to teach users that many (no, most) nonprofits also have positions, philosophies, and goals. They may not be to make money, at least not directly, but they do have positions that may be clearly stated or may be unstated. Our users also need to learn to evaluate those situations as well, since they may not be as clearly stated as they are at nra.org. We also need to remember that in every website or book we select, we're using our personal or institutional philosophies in the process. KGS> I don't begrudge Google its commercialism, but I also won't confuse it KGS> with a resource created by the people, for the people. Information, as KGS> a public good, needs high-trust caretakers whose primary allegiance is KGS> to public service. I'll try to avoid the debate about what information is for the public good and what isn't, and whether the correlation between the "goodness" or "badness" of it is in any way related to whether or not you can find it through a commercial or free search engine. I'm not suggesting that lii.org will ever end up as a commercial service, but we shouldn't forget that Yahoo! and several other commercial search engines started out as personal or academic non-profit endeavors. For that matter, so did Linux and Basic. Happy 010202 dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From gwasdin at nypl.org Wed Jan 2 15:02:01 2002 From: gwasdin at nypl.org (gwasdin@nypl.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: It isn't a thorough explanation, but Google does explain how its ranking system works at http://www.google.com/technology/index.html Google does not allow increased ranking for pay.....they are placed in the ads at the top and around the search results. Gary A. Wasdin Training Coordinator The New York Public Library Humanities and Social Sciences Library New York, NY 10018-2788 212-930-9284 gwasdin@nypl.org "Abbott, Bruce" > cc: Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial web4lib@sunsite.be rkeley.edu 01/02/2002 03:04 PM Please respond to babbot Another major problem with commercialization of web search engines is that sponsor sites have their listings moved to the top of the retrieval list. As it is, the algorithms which determine the relevance of a given search are not available for examination by the searcher. With commercial sponsors, retrieval can be skewed by factors which have little to do with the relevance to a given search. Bruce Abbott Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 504-568-7718 (fax) 504-568-6103 (voice) babbot@lsuhsc.edu From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Wed Jan 2 15:13:33 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: Bruce et al, But the point is precisely that Google is trying to survive *without* selling their souls in the form of placement subterfuge. If we (the library community) can't distinguish between a. Ability to survive and b. Subversion of ethics then we're all in serious, serious trouble. Google is a private concern. They have taken clearly-labeled, clearly-differentiated steps to be profitable (aka survive). Those steps clearly do not involve hidden "relevance" placements. Google's people have even gone on record as saying that they see ethics as being one of their competitive advantages. If we (the library community, again) simply say "Commercial: Bad, unethical." then you can kiss Google goodbye--and anyone else trying to do a proper job of indexing the unindexable. The Gummint isn't going to step in with a billion or two to provide Pure Noncommercial Indexing. Neither is anyone else. Lumping all "commercialization" together works great in a thriving, survivable, rights-respecting, intellectually-free wholly-socialist economy. But I don't know of any instantiation of that model. Short of that, I think we need to make distinctions between making money and selling out your ethics. Walt Crawford "Abbott, Bruce" > cc: Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial web4lib@sunsite.be rkeley.edu 01/02/2002 12:04 PM Please respond to babbot Another major problem with commercialization of web search engines is that sponsor sites have their listings moved to the top of the retrieval list. As it is, the algorithms which determine the relevance of a given search are not available for examination by the searcher. With commercial sponsors, retrieval can be skewed by factors which have little to do with the relevance to a given search. Bruce Abbott Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 504-568-7718 (fax) 504-568-6103 (voice) babbot@lsuhsc.edu From dspp at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 15:38:51 2002 From: dspp at yahoo.com (D.S.P. Popeck) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: dmoz.org (nee Google shenanigans) Message-ID: <20020102203851.20993.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> http://dmoz.org/ For those who want to steer clear of the commercial (real or perceived) rackets, this site may be for you. For the people... etc. As for me, I am not worried about Google or any other engine; they all are flawed and have a virtually impossible task. Search several engines for any topic is the best method as we know. Losing a good site like Google to finanical failure would be worse than a small amount of commercialization. Happy new year to all! DSP Popeck Madison Library Lakewood, Ohio USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KevilL at missouri.edu Wed Jan 2 15:44:01 2002 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF6ED@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> The location of the public library in my town (Columbia, MO) is the subject of considerable contentiousness nowadays, as those who run our local government ripped down the only library building in town in order ... to build a bigger facility on top of the old basement. The reason for their refusal to build a branch (much cheaper & more effective) was simply ... politics, bad politics: the desire to avoid alientating consitituencies important for their reelection. In the meantime the temporary location (where the first branch might have been located) is circulating more books than the old location ever did.) To my jaded mind the self-interested behavior of politicians and interest groups is far worse than the profit motive in business. After all market transactions depend on the free agreement of the parties involved - by far the best way to measure what people really want. L. Hunter Kevil Collection Development Librarian 176 Elmer Ellis Library University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 voice 573-882-6034 facsimile -----Original Message----- From: gwasdin@nypl.org [mailto:gwasdin@nypl.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Hmmm.....you are probably right that we don't need to hash it out, but really.......public libraries put "Where they are needed--where they best serve their communities???" Haven't seen a lot of that. If that were so, we'd surely have a lot more libraries in poorer communities. Libraries are subject to the exact same pressures that Google (and almost everything!) faces. Gary "Karen G. Schneider" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Sent by: web4lib@sunsite.be rkeley.edu 01/02/2002 02:39 PM Please respond to kgs The question is not whether Web portals need money to function, but to whom they are beholden--the public good, or the profit motives of their owners. If Google's primary responsibility is to turn a profit, it may be a wonderful resource, but its priorities and outcomes will always be driven by its allegiance to its shareholders. And that changes things. Public-domain portals--LII, Infomine, BUBL, Scout, MEL, IPL, etc.--are driven by a different set of priorities and expectations. Public-domain portals need money, too, but the funding comes from the public (or in some cases from philanthropies). It would be self-defeating for these portals to sell relevance, for example, because it would undermine the public's trust. If you're still missing the point here, think about Starbucks vs. your average public library. Where does Starbucks build? Starbucks is putting a store in my neighborhood even though we have several good independent coffeeshops, and that's because it knows it will make money (at the expense of these small businesses, I might add). It isn't building coffeeshops in poor downtown Richmond, where a latte would be a true novelty and where their presence wouldn't dilute local businesses. Where do public libraries build? Where they are needed--where they best serve their communities. (Usually, of course, and we don't need to hash out exceptions.) I don't begrudge Google its commercialism, but I also won't confuse it with a resource created by the people, for the people. Information, as a public good, needs high-trust caretakers whose primary allegiance is to public service. Karen G. Schneider Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet http://lii.org ::-----Original Message----- ::From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] ::On Behalf Of Drew, Bill ::Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:50 AM ::To: Multiple recipients of list ::Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial :: ::Oh My God! Google costs money to run? All this hand wringing about ::Google ::adding commercial features and services really rubs me the wrong way. As ::long as they are clear about what they are doing, what is the real ::problem? ::There is no free lunch and there never has been a free lunch. Thanks to ::the ::people at Google for finding a business model that works. :: ::Wilfred (Bill) Drew ::Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference ::SUNY Morrisville College Library ::E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu ::BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ ::Not Just Cows:http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ ::Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ ::Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ ::SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From Poulter at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu Wed Jan 2 15:49:37 2002 From: Poulter at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Dale Poulter) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: Open Source Project at ALA Midwinter Message-ID: <3C331DED.23198.14EA6DD2@localhost> Good afternoon, If you are attending ALA Midwinter and are interested in open source development toolkits the OCLC SiteSearch Open Source Project Forum may be of interest to you. Many libraries are currently using the SiteSearch package. Last year OCLC announced that they will be discontinuing support for the product, but are working towards making it open source. This meeting will discuss the project. *********************************************************************** OCLC SiteSearch Open Source Project Forum to be held at the 2002 ALA Midwinter Conference in New Orleans, LA. Date: Saturday, January 19, 2002 Time: 1:30 - 3:00 pm Location: Embassy Suites, Lafitte II OCLC SiteSearch software will be demonstrated and the open source project will be discussed. This forum invites current as well as interested new users to attend and discover how they can participate. A FREE download will give you the tools to: * Offer a virtual catalog that brings a region's resources together without replicating catalog records * Create unique web resources with the material only your library has - everything from community information to digital objects, including sound and video files OCLC will make the full java source code to SiteSearch, along with supporting documentation, available as an open source project by the end of first quarter of 2002. The code will be freely available to any person or institution for non-commercial purposes only. The SiteSearch open source community will determine the future direction of the product and control the design of the software to meet rapidly changing needs. Please RSVP your attendance to becky_hawk@oclc.org. For more information please contact: Stephanie Napier-Tyree OCLC SiteSearch napierts@oclc.org 614-761-5229 ph 800-848-5878 ext 5229 Toll-Free http://www.oclc.org/oclc/menu/site.htm From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Jan 2 15:56:04 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c193cf$e6eb2cd0$43defea9@XENA> Actually, Walt, most of us are quite capable of making this distinction, and most of us also have far too nuanced an appreciation of market forces to subscribe to "four legs good, two legs bad." To repeat what I actually said, I also believe that when an organization's primary motive is profit-driven (and LII itself is a state-funded resource), ultimately they march to a different drummer than when the organization's primary goal is to provide public service. Their allegiance is different, their priorities are different, and their reason for being is different, as well. They are driven by the ethics of ensuring their shareholders don't lose their money--a laudable goal, but far different, and leading to far different outcomes, than the ethics of public information service. No, Google doesn't don't sell relevance. But someone already brought up that Yahoo started as a free service. Now look at it... that's not to say every business is going to end up on the same plane (for that matter, I run a business, and I strive to be good), but if Yahoo were still free, I doubt it would be peddling relevance. The government will indeed not step in to fund anything--unless it is invited to do so, and in that case, who knows what could happen? Yahoo, again. Two folks from Stanford. That's all it took. 'Nuff said, for me. Karen G. Schneider Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet ------------------------------------------ ::If we (the library community) can't distinguish between :: ::a. Ability to survive ::and ::b. Subversion of ethics :: ::then we're all in serious, serious trouble. :: ::Google is a private concern. They have taken clearly-labeled, ::clearly-differentiated steps to be profitable (aka survive). :: ::Those steps clearly do not involve hidden "relevance" placements. Google's ::people have even gone on record as saying that they see ethics as being ::one ::of their competitive advantages. :: ::If we (the library community, again) simply say "Commercial: Bad, ::unethical." then you can kiss Google goodbye--and anyone else trying to do ::a proper job of indexing the unindexable. :: From KevilL at missouri.edu Wed Jan 2 16:24:44 2002 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: FW: Desperately seeking Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF6F0@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> Hi Eric, It could be very plausibly argued that librarians DID in fact go wrong - part wrong, at least - with respect to serial cataloguing. It is common knowledge that serials are hard to find in the typical catalogue. As the former head of a serials unit I am perhaps overly sensitive to the many ways users and library staff can fail to locate a desired serial. But it is clear that these failures unfortunately lead many users to give up and just take to the periodicals room, the stacks, or an alphabetical list. To follow this train of thought a bit, it seems to me that if OpenURL is to succeed, we will need a really good way for human beings and machines to locate serials in library catalogues and other places. ISSN, for several reasons, is not the universal and persistent identifier we need. I would be interested in your thoughts on this problem. L. Hunter Kevil Collection Development Librarian 176 Elmer Ellis Library University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 voice 573-882-6034 facsimile -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hellman [mailto:eric@openly.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Desperately seeking I don't think that the librarians went "wrong" at all. The tools I needed were all there, sensibly deployed. My first course was, as I said to look in the alphabetically arranged stacks, and my comfort with that method, despite its quirks, led me to avoid the others. I don't think I was the only researcher with the following personality traits: 1. is a bit shy 2. hates to admit needing help (it's a guy thing) 3. is very impatient So these traits explain my avoidance of the librarians. Not a lot you can change there. As for my avoidance of on-line catalogs, remember that in the pre-linking era (which is far from at an end) there's typically not a good way of getting from the catalog to where I really want to be. It's important to remember that while a researcher may ask a librarian "do you have article x?" or "where do I find article x?", the researchers have infinitesimal interest in the answers once they have obtained article x. The on-line catalog is NEVER where the researcher wants to be, no matter how good or friendly it is. This is not as true for students who often don't know what they want. "Insinuating" the library into research before the need arises is exactly what OpenURL is about. I think I'll use that line in my next talk. Eric >Hello, I cannot resist the temptation to comment on your >"roundabout" piece on searching out citations. Why is it that only >desperation led you to consult the on-line catalog and only true >desperation reduced you to seeking out a librarian (who was, >apparently, not there for you). Where did we (librarians) go wrong? >How is it that researchers only think of our services in periods of >agitation? How can we insinuate ourselves into research before the >crisis? > >Agitatedly, > >David Block > >David Block >Head Bibliographer >Cornell University Library >504 Olin Library -- Eric Hellman, President Openly Informatics, Inc. eric@openly.com 2 Broad St., 2nd Floor tel 1-973-509-7800 fax 1-734-468-6216 Bloomfield, NJ 07003 http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jan 2 15:52:48 2002 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] server purchase In-Reply-To: <20011228044745.16830.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011228044745.16830.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 8:59 PM -0800 12/27/01, Xiaowen Gao wrote: >I am trying to select a Dell server that use as a web >server for Intranet/Internet. I wonder if you can >recommend any type of server that is good for this >purpose, what is the best operation system currently? >What should I pay attention to choose the right one? >What options should I add into the shopping basket? >Thanks. I would say that the key features you would choose are: processor(s): storage: memory: bandwidth: redundancy: security/recovery: expandability: support: Richard Goerwitz has already mentioned some of the key considerations: 1) the operating systems you are comfortable using 2) the amount of traffic you expect to handle 3) the degree of reliability you are required to provide To this I would add the applications you will be running. If you are just serving out static HTML pages -- even a large number -- you could get by with a simple network device such as a SnapServer and forget about a full-scale server solution. On the other hand, if you are running a full range of Web applications on an "enterprise" basis, with a lot of reliability and bandwidth requirements, you should be thinking about a fairly high-end machine supporting multiple processors, lots of memory, "hot-pluggable" drives, RAID, multiple fast network connections, with room to expand all the foregoing, bullet-proof backup and recovery, a large sophisticated UPS, and a short-turnaround service contract. Given certain expectations, you might want install multiple servers. In other words, there are a lot more questions than answers. -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Jan 2 16:43:07 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial References: Message-ID: <008d01c193d6$77fae3e0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> A couple of points. 1) In addition to the section of the Google site Gary W. mentions you might also find Brin and Page's original paper about Google informative. "The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine" http://www7.scu.edu.au/programme/fullpapers/1921/com1921.htm 2) While Google does not sell placement/relevancy it's important to remember that an entire industry of search optimization "experts" work to place sites at the top of result rankings for given keywords. This is the case with Google as well as most other engines. To learn more take a look at the discussions and the like at Webmasterworld.Com http://www.webmasterworld.com and/or direct to the Google forum: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/index.htm Actually, I find some of the knowledge I learn from these forums very useful. Is this optimization a bad thing ? No, but it does mean we should be at least aware that this industry exists and that many issues come into play with the "hits" that are returned from any engine. In my mind it also illustrates the importance of precise search terms and making use of the power or advanced search/limiting options many tools offer. cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial > > It isn't a thorough explanation, but Google does explain how its ranking > system works at http://www.google.com/technology/index.html > > Google does not allow increased ranking for pay.....they are placed in the > ads at the top and around the search results. > > Gary A. Wasdin > Training Coordinator > The New York Public Library > Humanities and Social Sciences Library > New York, NY 10018-2788 > 212-930-9284 > gwasdin@nypl.org > > > > "Abbott, Bruce" > > > cc: > Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial > web4lib@sunsite.be > rkeley.edu > > > 01/02/2002 03:04 > PM > Please respond to > babbot > > > > > > > > Another major problem with commercialization of web search engines is that > sponsor sites have their listings moved to the top of the retrieval list. > As it is, the algorithms which determine the relevance of a given search > are > not available for examination by the searcher. With commercial sponsors, > retrieval can be skewed by factors which have little to do with the > relevance to a given search. > > Bruce Abbott > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > 433 Bolivar St. > New Orleans, LA 70112 > > 504-568-7718 (fax) > 504-568-6103 (voice) > babbot@lsuhsc.edu > > > > > > From mills at htls.lib.il.us Wed Jan 2 16:54:25 2002 From: mills at htls.lib.il.us (Paul Mills) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: Video Server Software In-Reply-To: <85256B06.0052591A.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> Message-ID: <00b501c193d8$0b5ce1a0$7601000a@sunnydale.htls.org> Hey all, I am interested in video server software, and was curious about what others are using and what they think about the product. I am aware of RealServer (I think there used to be a free version of this as well, but that no longer appears to be the case), but do not really know what else is out there. Please correct if I am wrong, but the primary reason to use specialty video server software is that it allows you to automatically scale up or down a video clip in quality depending on the available bandwidth. Are there other advantages and/or features? Thanks for your time and interest. Paul Mills IT Coordinator Heritage Trail Library System 405 Earl Road Shorewood, IL 60431 815-729-3345 x120 815-725-0930 Fax pdmills@htls.lib.il.us From schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us Wed Jan 2 18:01:27 2002 From: schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us (Donna Schumann) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: Anonymous E-Mail for Patrons Message-ID: <3C339147.93B3826D@timberland.lib.wa.us> Do any other public libraries let patrons send anonymous e-mail? I am not talking about patrons setting up accounts on Hotmail or Yahoo -- I am referring to letting them use a group e-mail account on the library e-mail system which they can use to send, but not receive, e-mail. On all of our public PCs (PACs as well as Internet/Office), patrons can launch a restricted version of Outlook Express and send e-mail from a common "public" account. We originally set this up (5 years ago) so that patrons could e-mail information from our reference databases or the Internet to their personal e-mail accounts. Through the years, we have had occasional complaints when a patron abuses the anonymous e-mail and uses it to harass or threaten someone. This has happened again, and we are now questioning whether it is time to stop providing this service. As part of our evaluation, we'd like to know if other public libraries provide this service. (We are also looking at the e-mails sent using this account to try to determine how much of it is "legitimate", as opposed to being obnoxious or worse.) Thanks in advance for any shared experiences or opinions! If you'd like to respond off-list, I will summarize if this is of general interest. Donna -- Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98501 Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us From raywood at magma.ca Wed Jan 2 20:53:31 2002 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: <3C335CA2.499FA3A3@yvrls.lib.wa.us> References: <3C335CA2.499FA3A3@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <20020102195331.A474@magma.ca> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:20:46AM -0800, Daniel Messer imagined: > Face it folks, the beautiful days of being able to surf the > web sans advertisement are LONG gone. I use the latest Mozilla browser (version 0.9.7) to do exactly this for my favourite web sites all the time. Simply right-click, and choose 'Block images from this server'. The next time you reload the same web site - poof - no more ads. There are other ways too. If you dislike ads, you'll like this feature of Mozilla -- it's a breath of fresh air. I also still use a text-only web browser often for just this reason -- distracting ads that detract from relaxed web surfing are simply annoying. > Heck, I can't even start up my mail programme without getting > an ad. I suggest that folks do what I do with ads, at least > most of the time... Ignore them. I could never tolerate any mailer that pestered me with ads. I agree that ads should be ignored, but there are better ways than just grinning and bearing it IMHO :) Cheers, Raymond -- "You deserve to be able to cooperate openly and freely with other people who use software. You deserve free software." -Richard M. Stallman, Free Software Foundation, http://www.fsf.org From CHHammer at olivet.edu Wed Jan 2 19:59:26 2002 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial Message-ID: What I like most about Google's relevancy/placement methods is their PageRank based on referring links. It's a method based on the assumption that there are a few human gray cells somewhere making link selections they think contain some value. Taken on an individual basis, that assumption might be presumptive, but taken together makes a pretty good algorithm element. And I'm for Google making money and surviving, too. They just need to get off their purist/ethical high horse ("though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results..." see http://www.google.com/technology/index.html ). The reason I revisited this topic is because I am interested in this particular mode of e-business development which appears to be fairly successful with Internet opinion leadership and multi-decade Internet purists. The process goes something like this. Start out giving away really good stuff free. Become a Good Guy. Talk the techie lingo. Take the high road by being very clear about how we do everything and about how we will forever stay above the fray by not going commercial. We don't do tricky things like the other guys. And we certainly wouldn't have an ad on our site. Heavens! Well, OK, maybe we'll try just one or two, you know, obscure, out-of-the-way ones, but that'll be all! What? No hate mail? Hey, let's add a few more and start talking about the necessity of survival and getting in the black. People feel for us that way. Just keep everything clear and up front on every new commercial enterprise (of course we've hired marketing gurus to tell us how to give nasty commercial things really good sounding names) and keep making it all look like the original, free purist approach we originally started out with. Turn up the (commercial) heat gradually so the (dumb) frogs don't know they're getting boiled. While my world ( and Dan's world and others on this list) might revolve around "all-knowing" college students, the world doesn't revolve around them, nor do search engine CEOs make their decisions with them in mind. There are huge numbers of people out there who are newbies and/or ignorant to the subtleties of SE inner workings. "Of course, I always look at the first record returned in my search list. It's the most important, isn't it? And, oh goody. Look. It's nicely highlighted for me, too." And what a pretty phrase "sponsored link" is. Nothing as ugly as "paid advertisement." Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu >>> "gary price" 01/02/02 03:47PM >>> A couple of points. 1) In addition to the section of the Google site Gary W. mentions you might also find Brin and Page's original paper about Google informative. "The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine" http://www7.scu.edu.au/programme/fullpapers/1921/com1921.htm 2) While Google does not sell placement/relevancy it's important to remember that an entire industry of search optimization "experts" work to place sites at the top of result rankings for given keywords. This is the case with Google as well as most other engines. To learn more take a look at the discussions and the like at Webmasterworld.Com http://www.webmasterworld.com and/or direct to the Google forum: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/index.htm Actually, I find some of the knowledge I learn from these forums very useful. Is this optimization a bad thing ? No, but it does mean we should be at least aware that this industry exists and that many issues come into play with the "hits" that are returned from any engine. In my mind it also illustrates the importance of precise search terms and making use of the power or advanced search/limiting options many tools offer. cheers, Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial > > It isn't a thorough explanation, but Google does explain how its ranking > system works at http://www.google.com/technology/index.html > > Google does not allow increased ranking for pay.....they are placed in the > ads at the top and around the search results. > > Gary A. Wasdin > Training Coordinator > The New York Public Library > Humanities and Social Sciences Library > New York, NY 10018-2788 > 212-930-9284 > gwasdin@nypl.org > > > Another major problem with commercialization of web search engines is that > sponsor sites have their listings moved to the top of the retrieval list. > As it is, the algorithms which determine the relevance of a given search > are not available for examination by the searcher. With commercial sponsors, retrieval can be skewed by factors which have little to do with the > relevance to a given search. > > Bruce Abbott > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > 433 Bolivar St. > New Orleans, LA 70112 > ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From calumet at mindspring.com Wed Jan 2 20:07:42 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: Commercial Search Engines - Yahoo makes fee annual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102200514.02283c60@pop.mindspring.com> Speaking of that, Yahoo has turned its one-time listing fee into an annual listing fee -- $299 for non-adult sites, $600 for adult sites: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-8336246.html Tara Calishain / tara@researchbuzz.com ---- ResearchBuzz -- Search engine, database, and online collection news since 1998! http://www.researchbuzz.com From cchick at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 23:23:05 2002 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy L. Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - January 1, 2002 Message-ID: <002701c1940e$5a847e10$30acd9cf@CindysComputer> New on LLRX.com for January 1, 2002: http://www.llrx.com **Law Firms Play Catch-Up: Key Legal Technology Trends for 2002 http://www.llrx.com/features/techtrends2002.htm Dennis Kennedy and ten legal technology experts offer their ideas, forecasts and analysis for 2002, on topics ranging from computer security, to PDAs, blogs, electronic filing and wireless lans. **Securities Mosaic: Somebody Thought This One Through http://www.llrx.com/features/securitiesmosaic.htm T.R. Halvorson and Kathy Biehl review a useful new fee-based web portal service that provides securities laws, regulations, forms, releases and more, in an easy to use format. **Introduction to Disaster Plans: Yes It Can Happen to You http://www.llrx.com/features/disasterplan.htm Daniel R. Campbell outlines the essential components of a well-thought-out library disaster plan. **A Guide to Uzbekistan Legal Research http://www.llrx.com/features/uzbekistan.htm Maria S. Stalbovskaya's guide addresses her country's government, laws, legislation, and available web resources. **Update to Finnish Law on the Internet http://www.llrx.com/features/finnish2.htm Sami Sarvilinna has updated his guide with new web links on sources of law in the public domain, government information, and legal education data. **Burney's Legal Tech Reviews: Of Mice and XP http://www.llrx.com/columns/legaltech1.htm Legal technology expert Brett Burney joins LLRX.com with a new monthly column where he reviews the latest tech products and issues that you should consider before making purchases for your firm or home office. This time around, he extols the virtues of optical mice and details the pros and cons of Windows XP. **What Internet Marketing Trends Can We Expect in 2002? http://www.llrx.com/extras/ir26.htm Jerry Lawson, Brenda Howard and Dennis Kennedy review how law firms can leverage their firm's web sites, intranets and extranets in 2002. **Room Setups for Presentations & Training - One Size Does NOT Fit All http://www.llrx.com/columns/guide59.htm Seating, along with related physical arrangements, creates an important foundation for meetings, programs and training. Marie Wallace< details the different room setup options, detailing their advantages and disadvantages. **Latest Links http://www.llrx.com/links/010102.htm Margaret Berkland reviews: the FTC consumer protection site; the EURO homepage; the European Central Bank site; the Global Law Review; a site that links to over 10,000 radio stations offering streaming audio; and a W-4 online assistant. **Editor's Featured Site - Google Language Tools http://www.google.com/language_tools Search for pages written in a specific language or for pages located in a specific country. Use this tool to set a default language for each Google search you conduct. This page also has a Beta translation tool (German, French, Spanish, Italian) which is fast and quite accurate. Another resource are links that allow you to visit Google sites in 22 countries (Editor, Sabrina I. Pacifici). **Featured Book (For more reading suggestions, see the LLRX Bookstore at http://www.llrx.com/bookstore.htm.) The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World, by by Lawrence Lessig (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000456/lawlibraryresourA/) **LLRXBuzz December 31, 2001 http://www.llrx.com/buzz/buzz89.htm Country Commercial Guides <> Michigan Licensing Information <> W3Schools.com <> Electronic Records Still a Mystery <> News Search Engine News <> Turbo10 Opens Their Site to Specialty Search Engines <> ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 2 23:57:24 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: More on Google going commercial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1632356598.20020102215724@riverofdata.com> Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 6:00:26 PM, you wrote: CH> The reason I revisited this topic is because I am interested in CH> this particular mode of e-business development which appears to CH> be fairly successful with Internet opinion leadership and CH> multi-decade Internet purists. The process goes something like CH> this. Start out giving away really good stuff free. Become a CH> Good Guy. CH> Turn up the (commercial) heat gradually so the (dumb) frogs don't CH> know they're getting boiled. This is what I've referred to a number of times as The Cocaine Theory Of Marketing It has worked in many arenas for centuries, and will undoubtedly continue to work as well in future centuries. We can rant and rave all we want, but it won't go away in this lifetime, but one can always have hopes for the next one. happy 2002 dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Jan 3 00:59:20 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:26 2005 Subject: List Maintenance Message-ID: <076C3226-000F-11D6-AE79-000A27E16A20@ucop.edu> I just churned through some 8,000 bounced email messages, from several months of bad Web4Lib recipient addresses, and it seemed apparent that a reminder is in order. If you need any assistance in having old addresses removed so you can subscribe using your new address, or other such lovely things we all enjoy doing, please email me at roy.tennant@ucop.edu. Unfortunately, I do not always have time to check the listchek@webjunction.org account, where errors and such go, on as frequent a basis as I would like. Specifically, all those who emailed there in the vain hope of being removed from the list prior to the holidays unfortunately continued to receive mail. I would like to apologize to all those affected. As a further reminder, some time ago I created the Web4Lib Troubleshooting Guide at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html (to which the Web4Lib web site naturally points), which describes a number of execrable circumstances and the recommended remedies. Not all of which are pretty, but several of which result in me receiving chocolate. (well, not really, but it occurs to me that the document requires updating...). Thanks for your patience and understanding. Roy ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Sat Jan 5 11:42:06 2002 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links to Afghanistan References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BABF@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3C372CDE.A412D70B@thecommunitylibrary.org> "Drew, Bill" wrote: > Can anyone suggest one good site to link to about Afghanistan and current > events there? I am looking for balanced coverage of current events and > background information on Afghanistan. I note you asked for "balanced" rather than "objective"... Newstrove.com (http://www.newstrove.com) provides links to newspaper articles from around the globe. There are reports reflecting different perspectives and, sometimes, fairly objective reports on current events. Regards, Chris Murphy -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org (208) 726-3493 x111 http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org From kwan at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Thu Jan 10 09:17:11 2002 From: kwan at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (Y Kathy Kwan) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: LinkOut - Explore beyond PubMed Message-ID: <200201101417.g0AEHB326914@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov> [This message has been sent to a number of lists. Please accept our apology for duplicate postings.] LinkOut - Explore beyond PubMed ------------------------------- Do your library users search PubMed from the National Library of Medicine? Would it be useful to inform your users on a PubMed citation whether your library has electronic access to the full-text? You can do so by participating in LinkOut. LinkOut is a feature of Entrez, an information system developed by the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Library of Medicine. LinkOut provides an integrated information space, which allows users to move seamlessly between PubMed and other Entrez databases to a variety of relevant, web-accessible online resources provided by third parties. LinkOut in PubMed allows a library to choose which full-text providers to link to. This includes publishers of electronic journals and all full-text providers that participate in LinkOut. In addition, a library can supply links to locally-loaded journal collections or any e-journal collection for which the library can provide reliable URLs. Consequently, a library can easily setup an environment for its users that features seamless and appropriate links to its electronic collection. The majority of links in PubMed point to online journals, but the scope of LinkOut exceeds that. LinkOut includes information that is specific to the subject area of PubMed citations and relevant to users' research and study. Currently, users can find links to consumer health information, commentaries on articles, authors' background and research interests, datasets of articles, practice guidelines, and more. In development is the ability to link to a library's print collection holdings. Through LinkOut, PubMed citations become an entry point to countless relevant resources on the web. Libraries provide links to their e-journal collections via the Library LinkOut Files Submission Utility, where holdings are simply checked off. Use of the Utility is free to all libraries. For registration, please send a request to linkout@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov and include the name of the library and a contact person, telephone number, and address. Documentation on LinkOut and library holdings is available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/linkout/doc/liblinkout.html and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/linkout/ US libraries may call the National Network of Libraries of Medicine (NNLM) at 1-800-338-7657 for additional assistance. NNLM also maintains a LinkOut guide for librarians at http://nnlm.gov/libinfo/ejournals/linkout/ Please send your comments and questions to linkout@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Jan 10 10:25:45 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Weird error message Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B574A@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> They must be pretty busy. A Google search gets hundreds of results for hacked servers. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Peter Scott [mailto:scott@lights.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Weird error message When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few days ago, you get: Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l Any ideas? From gprice at gwu.edu Thu Jan 10 10:46:47 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: Article: "Libraries Focus on New Technology" Message-ID: <00a501c199ee$034675a0$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> This article from the Wall Street Journal (1/10/01) might be of interest to some/all of you. I was able to find the article via MSNBC. You don't need WSJ access to read. Title: "Libraries Focus on New Technology" http://www.msnbc.com/news/685165.asp >From the article, ----- Beyond just adding a comfortable feel - several public libraries in the past year have added sofas, coffee bars and mood lamps - there is a new emphasis on upgrading technology at the nation's 16,000 public libraries." "Computers have always been one of the most popular things at the library," says Liz Lancaster, director of Howard County Central Library in Columbia, Md. "Everyone was afraid when the Internet was introduced that people would stop coming to the library, but that hasn't happened." cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From ebadeaux at ebr.lib.la.us Thu Jan 10 11:11:32 2002 From: ebadeaux at ebr.lib.la.us (Elizabeth Myers 225-231-3720) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: log file rotation Message-ID: Does anyone out there have experience with log file rotation? We have not been rotating ours and as you might guess both our access_log and error_log are getting pretty huge. I can find some information on the web, but would like to feel confident that I am doing it correctly so I don't lose the prior logs. What I would like to do is to have a new log file starting at midnight of each day and keep the old log files indefinitely for right now, until we figure out how long we want to keep them, storage methods, etc. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer. We are running Apache on a Sun Solaris. Thanks, Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth B. Myers Voice: 225-231-3720 Librarian, Computer Division Fax: 225-231-3788 East Baton Rouge Parish Library E-mail: emyers@ebr.lib.la.us 7711 Goodwood Blvd. Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Jan 10 11:34:44 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] log file rotation References: Message-ID: <003d01c199f4$b5eb4810$e84ae980@Gollum> > What I would like to do is to have a new log > file starting at midnight of each day and keep the old log files > indefinitely for right now, until we figure out how long we want to keep > them, storage methods, etc. There's a number of ways. You could have a cron job that runs each night which does something like this: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/local/apache/logs mv access_log access.yyyy_dd_mm.log mv error_log error.yyyy_dd_mm.log /usr/local/apache/bin/apacectl graceful (where yyyy, mm and dd are the year month and day for the previous day) or you could use the rotatelogs application that comes with Apache. It's use is covered in a few places on the Apache site, including http://httpd.apache.org/docs/programs/rotatelogs.html We use something similar to the above cron job but on the first of each month. After we rename the log and restart Apache, we run the log file through a DNS lookup tool (to speed up Apache a bit, we don't have it do DNS lookups), generate our monthly statistics (using analog), gzip the log and save it. Every so often I burn the logs on CD so I have them around. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From nathanw at nils.lib.il.us Thu Jan 10 11:46:13 2002 From: nathanw at nils.lib.il.us (Nathan Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] log file rotation Message-ID: <94B701C29FC0D411B22100508BAF32AA03BB29@EXCHANGE> Here is a good, easy tutorial by Lincoln Stein (of CGI.pm fame). http://stein.cshl.org/~lstein/talks/perl_conference/cute_tricks/ nathan -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Myers 225-231-3720 [mailto:ebadeaux@ebr.lib.la.us] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] log file rotation Does anyone out there have experience with log file rotation? We have not been rotating ours and as you might guess both our access_log and error_log are getting pretty huge. I can find some information on the web, but would like to feel confident that I am doing it correctly so I don't lose the prior logs. What I would like to do is to have a new log file starting at midnight of each day and keep the old log files indefinitely for right now, until we figure out how long we want to keep them, storage methods, etc. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer. We are running Apache on a Sun Solaris. Thanks, Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Elizabeth B. Myers Voice: 225-231-3720 Librarian, Computer Division Fax: 225-231-3788 East Baton Rouge Parish Library E-mail: emyers@ebr.lib.la.us 7711 Goodwood Blvd. Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70806 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 10 11:49:59 2002 From: SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net (Steve Gilheany) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging - Document Management: Winter 2002 and Spring 2002 Message-ID: ***** 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging - Document Management: Winter 2002, Spring 2002 ***** For those persons who cannot attend the class, all of the printed class materials are available free at [http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com] Three days, Winter 2002: Friday, February 8, Saturday, February 9, and Sunday, February 10, 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM each day, at the Downtown Los Angeles World Trade Center, 350 S. Figueroa Street, Suite 100, Los Angeles, CA 90071 (213) 628-9709. Spring 2002: Friday, April 26, 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM, Saturday, April 27, 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM, and Sunday, April 28, 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM, at the World Trade Center. The course is generally offered every quarter. Beginning and ending times may change slightly. See [http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com] for a copy of the course description. This course is for managers who have been assigned to manage a document imaging system or digital library, and must start immediately. This course is designed to assist managers to be more effective in bringing the immediate and long term benefits of document imaging and document management to their organizations and to their organizations? clients, customers, and constituents. Students will gain an understanding of how document imaging can be used and managed in both small and large-scale organizations. Document imaging is the process of taking documents out of file cabinets, and off shelves, and storing them in a computer. This course provides an understanding of the details that there is often no time to review in the rush to implement a system. The course content is intended to be useful to students in their professional work for twenty years into the future and is also intended to be useful for planning to preserve digital documents forever. The course may be too broad for those students seeking to learn a specific software application. Students will learn about the technology of scanning, importing, transmitting, organizing, indexing, storing, protecting, searching, retrieving, viewing, printing, preserving, and authenticating documents for document imaging systems, digital libraries, and archives. Image and document formats, metadata, XML (eXtensible Markup Language), multimedia, rich text, PDF (Portable Document Format), GIS (Geographic Information Systems), CAD (Computer Aided Design), VR (Virtual Reality) indices, image enabled databases, data visualization, finite element analysis models, animations, molecular models, RAM (Random Access Memory) based SQL (Structured Query Language) databases, knowledge management, data warehousing, records inventories, retention schedules, black and white, grayscale, and color scanning, OCR (Optical Character Recognition), multispectral imaging, audio and video digitizing, destructive (lossy) and non-destructive (lossless) compression, digital signatures and seals, encryption, the three components of vision: resolution, color, and motion, the imaging technology of continuous tone, halftoning, dithering, and pixels, and disaster planning will be discussed. System design issues in hardware, software, networking, ergonomics, and workflow will be covered. Emerging technologies such as the DVD Digital Video Disk, HDTV (High Definition TV), and very high speed Internet, intranet, and extranet links, Internet protocol stacks, and Internet 2 will be discussed. The course will include the DVD?s role in completing the convergence of the PC and television, the convergence of telephony, cable, and the Internet, the merging of home and office, the merging of business and entertainment, and the management of the resulting document types. Many professionals including records managers, librarians, and archivists work with document management issues every day. While not limited to these professionals, this course builds on the broad range of tools and techniques that exist in these professions. The class content is designed so that students can benefit from each part of the class without fully understanding every technical detail presented. This course is designed for non-technical professionals. Several system designs will be done based on system requirements provided by the students. System designs are done to provide an understanding of the design process, not to provide guaranteed solutions to specific problems. Instructional techniques include storytelling. There is no hands-on use of scanning equipment. The course is designed to improve the ability of non-technical managers to participate in, and to direct, technical discussions. The course includes the use of story telling techniques, iconic objects, and videos. Can everything be digitized? Discover how records managers remove coffee stains digitally with dynamic thresholding. Follow Shakespeare through love, wisdom, knowledge, information, data, bits, and discernable difference (optical disc pits). Come and share an interstitial moment between the bits. The UCLA Extension Catalog is at: [https://www.uclaextension.org/course_listings/BrowseListings.cfm]. Please search under course title and use the search keyword sequence ?document imaging document management?. Course number 814.14, the Winter 2002 reg. number is M3892U, 2.4 CEU, Cost: US$425. Please call +1 (310) 825-9971 to register by phone. Please call +1 (310) 937-7000 for questions about course content. Please call +1 (310) 825-4100 for enrollment questions. It is recommended that you call the instructor before attending. Most instruction materials are available free at [http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com] All of the materials can be downloaded with a single click and then printed with a single click. A bound copy of the course materials entitled The Document Management Continuum (478 pages) can be ordered for a nominal fee from the UCLA bookstore. See the website above for ordering information. The materials are updated from time to time, please check the version numbers. Instructor: SteveGilheany@ArchiveBuilders.com, BA CS, MBA, MLS Specialization in Information Science, CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), CRM (Certified Records Manager), Sr. Systems Engineer, [www.ArchiveBuilders.com] +1 (310) 937-7000, Fax: +1 (310) 937-7001. The World Trade Center is connected to the Westin Bonaventure Hotel (213) 624-1000 and the Mariott (213) 617-1133 by elevated walkways. [http://www.theBiltmore.com] (213) 624-1011 is also quite close. Many other hotels are a short cab ride away. The LAX Motel 6 (310) 419-1234 (~US$60 per day) is about 1 hour away at rush hour if you have a car. [http://www.motel6.com/index.asp?start=motel_detail.asp?MotelID=1260] Prices subject to change without notice. The instructor has taught classes similar to this course to document imaging users and managers, in legal records management, to librarians and archivists, and to various industry groups. He has worked in digital document management and document imaging for twenty years. His experience in the application of document management and document imaging in industry includes: aerospace, banking, manufacturing, natural resources, petroleum refining, transportation, energy, federal, state, and local government, civil engineering, utilities, entertainment, commercial records centers, archives, non-profit development, education, and administrative, engineering, production, legal, and medical records management. At the same time, he has worked in product management for hypertext, for windows based user interface systems, for computer displays, for engineering drawing, letter size, microform, and color scanning, and for xerographic, photographic, newspaper, engineering drawing, and color printing. In addition, the instructor has nine years of experience in data center operations and database and computer communications systems design, programming, testing, and software configuration management. He has an MLS Specialization in Information Science and an MBA with a concentration in Computer and Information Systems from UCLA, a California Adult Education teaching credential, and a BA in Computer Science from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. His industry certifications include: the CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), the AIIM Master, and AIIM Laureate, of Information Technologies (from AIIM International, the Association of Information and Image Management, [http://www.AIIM.org]), and the CRM (Certified Records Manager) (from the ICRM, the Institute of Certified Records Managers, an affiliate of ARMA International, the Association of Records Managers and Administrators, [http://www.ARMA.org]). The following is an example of the course materials available at [http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com] There are also several papers that describe various document management topics in prose. Computer storage requirements for various digitized document types: 1 scanned page (8 1/2 by 11 inches, A4) = 50 KiloBytes (KByte) (on average, black & white, CCITT G4 compressed) 1 file cabinet (4 drawer) (10,000 pages on average) = 500 MegaBytes (MByte) = 1 CD (ROM or WORM) 2 file cabinets = 10 cubic feet = 1,000 MBytes = 1 GigaByte (GByte) 10 file cabinets = 1 DVD (WORM) 1 box (in inches: 15 1/2 long x 12 wide x 10 deep) (2,500 pages) = 1 file drawer = 2 linear feet of files = 1 1/4 cubic feet = 125 MBytes 8 boxes = 16 linear feet = 2 file cabinets = 1 GByte Displays and projectors: UXGA 1600 x 1200 1.92 million pixels HDTV = UXGAW (UXGA Wide) 1920 x 1200 2.304 million pixels QXGA (Quad XGA) 2048 x 1536 3.146728 million pixels QSXGA (Quad SXGA) 2560 x 2048 5.24288 million pixels QUXGA (Quad XUXGA) 3200 x 2400 7.68 million pixels QUXGAW or QUXGA-W (Quad UXGA Wide) 3840 x 2400 9.216 million pixels Kodak 16 megapixel camera back 4080 x 4080 16.6464 million pixels Steve Gilheany, CRM Contact: SteveGilheany@ArchiveBuilders.com http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com From MCDONRH at groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu Thu Jan 10 11:48:06 2002 From: MCDONRH at groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (Robert McDonald) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: LITA Human/Machine Interface Interest Group Meeting at ALA Midwinter Message-ID: please excuse the cross postings. The LITA Human/Machine Interface Interest Group will meet Saturday January 19, 2002 from 2:00 pm - 4:00pm at the Hilton Grand Salon C-15 during ALA's Mid-Winter Meeting. The agenda for our meeting will be as follows: 1. Welcome/Introductions - New Co-Chairs Elect 2. Program Updates a. Annual in Atlanta - Building the My Portal Experience: User-Customized Interfaces b. Ideas for programs or meetings in Philadelphia and Toronto (come make this happen and get involved) 3. Discussion of recent trends in Web usability, Web portals/communities, Digital Library Tools. If you are involved with user interaction of computers and Web products please join us for a lively discussion of current ideas and trends and get involved with an interest group that offers experience and expertise in usability studies and Web interaction. Thanks, Robert McDonald & Sue Thompson, co-chairs HMIIG ***************************************** Robert H. McDonald Information Technology & Digital Projects Librarian Auburn University Libraries 231 Mell Street - Systems Auburn University, AL 36849-5606 (E) mcdonrh@auburn.edu (T) 334.844.1766 (F) 334.844.3148 (W) http://rmcdonald.info From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jan 10 12:56:14 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: log file rotation In-Reply-To: <003d01c199f4$b5eb4810$e84ae980@Gollum> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110124443.00b1d7d0@ohiolink.edu> At 11:38 AM 1/10/2002, Darryl Friesen wrote: > > What I would like to do is to have a new log > > file starting at midnight of each day and keep the old log files > > indefinitely for right now, until we figure out how long we want to keep > > them, storage methods, etc. > >There's a number of ways. You could have a cron job that runs each night >which does something like this: > > #!/bin/sh > cd /usr/local/apache/logs > mv access_log access.yyyy_dd_mm.log > mv error_log error.yyyy_dd_mm.log > /usr/local/apache/bin/apacectl graceful > >(where yyyy, mm and dd are the year month and day for the previous day) or >you could use the rotatelogs application that comes with Apache. It's use >is covered in a few places on the Apache site, including >http://httpd.apache.org/docs/programs/rotatelogs.html Or alternatively: #!/usr/bin/ksh today=`/usr/bin/date +"%Y%m%d"` # That will get the date automatically. cd /wherever/you/keep/logs mv access_log /where/you/archive/old_logs/access.$today.log mv error_log /where/you/archive/old_logs/error.$today.log /web/apache/bin/apachectl graceful Or 'date +"%Y%m" if you rotate monthly, "%Y%W" if you do it weekly. If you're bothered by having today's date on yesterday's log, just cron it to run at 11:59pm. I'm old enough that my scripts still find and "kill -HUP" the Apache proccess ID. Apache has just gotten so user friendly over the years. Who'da thunk it would ever have a "graceful" option? :-> Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Steven.Cohen at rivkin.com Thu Jan 10 13:19:20 2002 From: Steven.Cohen at rivkin.com (Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: Googol? Message-ID: Hi all, Have you guys seen this yet? http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subpoena from Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrorists, cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the whole thing. It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" Steven Cohen Rivkin Radler LLP EAB Plaza Uniondale, New York 11556 (516) 357-3455 steven.cohen@rivkin.com NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above.? This message may be an attorney/client communication and as such is privileged and confidential.? If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.? If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and delete the original message (including attachments). ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 10 14:10:21 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110140750.030ee5a0@pop.cwru.edu> Too bad the scripts are buggy. Fails the usability test. At 10:46 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Have you guys seen this yet? > >http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant >Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a >subpoena from >Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a > >complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant >Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) >, Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over >2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique >resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American >terrorists, >cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." > >http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the >whole thing. > >It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" >********************************************************************* D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 10 14:17:45 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110140750.030ee5a0@pop.cwru.edu> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110141231.031038d0@pop.cwru.edu> It's not so easy to get in on these "private" conversations as you might be thinking. You have to enter AIM user names for both parties involved in the conversation. Thus, I would be able to find conversations between my old (no longer in use) AIM id and anybody I can remember chatting with but, if you don't know both names you're sunk. However, knowing that - all of you parents out there can begin collecting screen names for your kids friends now. D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html From babbot at lsuhsc.edu Thu Jan 10 14:36:22 2002 From: babbot at lsuhsc.edu (Abbott, Bruce) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? Message-ID: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABBB618CE@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> Does anyone have a quick answer to the difference between Google and Googol? Is there any? Bruce Abbott Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library 433 Bolivar St. New Orleans, LA 70112 504-568-7718 (fax) 504-568-6103 (voice) babbot@lsuhsc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? Hi all, Have you guys seen this yet?=20 http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= oena from=20 Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= sts,=20 cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 whole thing. It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" Steven Cohen Rivkin Radler LLP EAB Plaza Uniondale, New York 11556 (516) 357-3455 steven.cohen@rivkin.com NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= ded=20 only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= =20 such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= t=20 the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 delete the original message (including attachments). ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 10 14:41:51 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? In-Reply-To: <250A0A8D766CD311BB15009027B6FABBB618CE@lsuhsc-hermes.lsuhsc.edu> Message-ID: Yes, one is a search engine and the other is a spoof. You decide which is which. :) The "Googol" site is just an extended "fake" IM chat that is supposed to point out: 1) The low-content nature of chat. 2) The potential threat to privacy of conversation over the Internet. Almost all of the links off "Googol" go back to the real Google site. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Abbott, Bruce wrote: > Does anyone have a quick answer to the difference between Google and Googol? > Is there any? > > Bruce Abbott > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > 433 Bolivar St. > New Orleans, LA 70112 > > 504-568-7718 (fax) > 504-568-6103 (voice) > babbot@lsuhsc.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? > > > Hi all, > > Have you guys seen this yet?=20 > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 > Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= > oena from=20 > Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = > > complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 > Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= > , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 > 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = > resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= > sts,=20 > cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 > whole thing. > > It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" > Steven Cohen > Rivkin Radler LLP > EAB Plaza > Uniondale, New York 11556 > (516) 357-3455 > steven.cohen@rivkin.com > NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= > ded=20 > only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 > named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= > =20 > such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= > t=20 > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 > this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 > communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 > delete the original message (including attachments). > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Jan 10 14:49:00 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B576C@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> It's a hoax. Someone just forwarded this to me off list: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html -----Original Message----- From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? Hi all, Have you guys seen this yet?=20 http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= oena from=20 Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= sts,=20 cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 whole thing. It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" Steven Cohen Rivkin Radler LLP EAB Plaza Uniondale, New York 11556 (516) 357-3455 steven.cohen@rivkin.com NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= ded=20 only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= =20 such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= t=20 the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 delete the original message (including attachments). ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Thu Jan 10 14:51:40 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110144841.00c308b0@pop.cwru.edu> At 11:45 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, one is a search engine and the other is a spoof. You decide which is >which. >:) To add to the humor, the "Googol" name was specifically chosen. I'm sure this is due to the number of messages that must be included in 2TB of messaging logs. As reported on dictionary.com and many other places. goo?gol (gg?l) n. The number 10 raised to the power 100 (10100), written out as the numeral 1 followed by 100 zeros.[Coined at the age of nine by Milton Sirotta, nephew of Edward Kasner (1878-1955), American mathematician.] D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 10 14:59:22 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110144841.00c308b0@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: Not to be confused with this Googol: http://www.googol.net/search.cgi Almost as useless! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Jan 10 15:01:25 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? References: Message-ID: <3C3DF315.A7E6FAA5@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Also note that one is a search engine and the other is a number. I've run across several people who confuse the spelling of Google because they're thinking of the number googol, which is 10 to the power of 100, or a 1 followed by 100 zeros. I know why a googol is called a googol, but I have no idea where Google got their name. Can anyone enlighten me there? I checked their FAQs, but I never saw the reason. Dan "Andrew I. Mutch" wrote: > Yes, one is a search engine and the other is a spoof. You decide which is > which. > :) > > The "Googol" site is just an extended "fake" IM chat that is supposed to > point out: > > 1) The low-content nature of chat. > > 2) The potential threat to privacy of conversation over the Internet. > > Almost all of the links off "Googol" go back to the real Google site. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Abbott, Bruce wrote: > > > Does anyone have a quick answer to the difference between Google and Googol? > > Is there any? > > > > Bruce Abbott > > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > > 433 Bolivar St. > > New Orleans, LA 70112 > > > > 504-568-7718 (fax) > > 504-568-6103 (voice) > > babbot@lsuhsc.edu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Have you guys seen this yet?=20 > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 > > Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= > > oena from=20 > > Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = > > > > complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 > > Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= > > , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 > > 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = > > resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= > > sts,=20 > > cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 > > whole thing. > > > > It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" > > Steven Cohen > > Rivkin Radler LLP > > EAB Plaza > > Uniondale, New York 11556 > > (516) 357-3455 > > steven.cohen@rivkin.com > > NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= > > ded=20 > > only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 > > named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= > > =20 > > such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= > > t=20 > > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 > > this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = > > > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 > > communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 > > delete the original message (including attachments). > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > > to a plain text message. > > ********************************************************************* > > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Jan 10 15:13:46 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? In-Reply-To: <3C3DF315.A7E6FAA5@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110151310.00a5c250@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:06 PM 1/10/2002, Daniel Messer wrote: > Also note that one is a search engine and the other is a number. I've run >across several people who confuse the spelling of Google because they're >thinking >of the number googol, which is 10 to the power of 100, or a 1 followed by 100 >zeros. I know why a googol is called a googol, but I have no idea where >Google got >their name. Can anyone enlighten me there? I checked their FAQs, but I >never saw >the reason. http://www.google.com/corporate/facts.html "Google is a privately held and profitable company focused on search services. Named for the mathematical term "googol", Google operates a web site at www.google.com that is widely recognized as the "World's Best Search Engine" and is fast, accurate and easy to use. " Whee, Tara Tara Calishain / tara@researchbuzz.com ---- ResearchBuzz -- Search engine, database, and online collection news since 1998! http://www.researchbuzz.com From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 10 15:13:00 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? In-Reply-To: <3C3DF315.A7E6FAA5@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: I would guess that "Google" is a deliberate variation on "Googol". If most people were asked to spell "googol", many would probably spell it the way the search engines does. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Daniel Messer wrote: > Also note that one is a search engine and the other is a number. I've run > across several people who confuse the spelling of Google because they're thinking > of the number googol, which is 10 to the power of 100, or a 1 followed by 100 > zeros. I know why a googol is called a googol, but I have no idea where Google got > their name. Can anyone enlighten me there? I checked their FAQs, but I never saw > the reason. > > Dan > > > "Andrew I. Mutch" wrote: > > > Yes, one is a search engine and the other is a spoof. You decide which is > > which. > > :) > > > > The "Googol" site is just an extended "fake" IM chat that is supposed to > > point out: > > > > 1) The low-content nature of chat. > > > > 2) The potential threat to privacy of conversation over the Internet. > > > > Almost all of the links off "Googol" go back to the real Google site. > > > > Andrew Mutch > > Library Systems Technician > > Waterford Township Public Library > > Waterford, MI > > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Abbott, Bruce wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a quick answer to the difference between Google and Googol? > > > Is there any? > > > > > > Bruce Abbott > > > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > > > 433 Bolivar St. > > > New Orleans, LA 70112 > > > > > > 504-568-7718 (fax) > > > 504-568-6103 (voice) > > > babbot@lsuhsc.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Have you guys seen this yet?=20 > > > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 > > > Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= > > > oena from=20 > > > Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = > > > > > > complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 > > > Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= > > > , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 > > > 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = > > > resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= > > > sts,=20 > > > cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." > > > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 > > > whole thing. > > > > > > It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" > > > Steven Cohen > > > Rivkin Radler LLP > > > EAB Plaza > > > Uniondale, New York 11556 > > > (516) 357-3455 > > > steven.cohen@rivkin.com > > > NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= > > > ded=20 > > > only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 > > > named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= > > > =20 > > > such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= > > > t=20 > > > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 > > > this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = > > > > > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 > > > communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 > > > delete the original message (including attachments). > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > > > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > > > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > > > to a plain text message. > > > ********************************************************************* > > > > > -- > Mondai wa > The subject in question... > ------- > Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor > Yakima Valley Regional Library > 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 > (509) 452-8541 x712 > dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us > ------- > When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. > -Hunter S. Thompson > > From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Jan 10 15:13:23 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5770@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> According to "Google Fun Facts": "Google's name is a play on the word googol, which refers to the number 1 followed by one hundred zeroes. The word was coined by the nine-year-old nephew of mathematician Edward Kasner." See: http://www.google.com/press/funfacts.html Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Messer [mailto:dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? Also note that one is a search engine and the other is a number. I've run across several people who confuse the spelling of Google because they're thinking of the number googol, which is 10 to the power of 100, or a 1 followed by 100 zeros. I know why a googol is called a googol, but I have no idea where Google got their name. Can anyone enlighten me there? I checked their FAQs, but I never saw the reason. Dan "Andrew I. Mutch" wrote: > Yes, one is a search engine and the other is a spoof. You decide which is > which. > :) > > The "Googol" site is just an extended "fake" IM chat that is supposed to > point out: > > 1) The low-content nature of chat. > > 2) The potential threat to privacy of conversation over the Internet. > > Almost all of the links off "Googol" go back to the real Google site. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Abbott, Bruce wrote: > > > Does anyone have a quick answer to the difference between Google and Googol? > > Is there any? > > > > Bruce Abbott > > Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Library > > 433 Bolivar St. > > New Orleans, LA 70112 > > > > 504-568-7718 (fax) > > 504-568-6103 (voice) > > babbot@lsuhsc.edu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [mailto:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:47 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Have you guys seen this yet?=20 > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 > > Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= > > oena from=20 > > Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = > > > > complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 > > Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= > > , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 > > 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = > > resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= > > sts,=20 > > cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." > > > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 > > whole thing. > > > > It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" > > Steven Cohen > > Rivkin Radler LLP > > EAB Plaza > > Uniondale, New York 11556 > > (516) 357-3455 > > steven.cohen@rivkin.com > > NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= > > ded=20 > > only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 > > named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= > > =20 > > such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= > > t=20 > > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 > > this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = > > > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 > > communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 > > delete the original message (including attachments). > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > > to a plain text message. > > ********************************************************************* > > -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Jan 10 15:41:45 2002 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: log file rotation References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110124443.00b1d7d0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <00af01c19a17$37e53ca0$e84ae980@Gollum> > Or alternatively: > > #!/usr/bin/ksh > > today=`/usr/bin/date +"%Y%m%d"` > # That will get the date automatically. Those little "details" were left as an excercise for the user. I guess since you one-up'd me I'd better try the same. :) How about #!/bin/sh today=`/usr/bin/date +"%Y-%m-%d"` cd /data/logs/www for file in *_log ; do > /dev/null 2>&1 mv -f $file $file.$today gzip $file.$today done /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl graceful This is pretty much what we do. It renames and compresses all "_log" files (we use OpenSSL and a few other custom things that write files with names like that). Just quick note to those that may attempt this. Restarting the webserver is a must. Unix machines are fairly smart. If you simply move the file, the OS knows that and will continue to log to that newly named file. Stopping or restarting the web server will flush data to the file, close it, then reopen a new one. > I'm old enough that my scripts still find and "kill -HUP" the Apache > proccess ID. Apache has just gotten so user friendly over the > years. Who'da thunk it would ever have a "graceful" option? :-> I actually just changed my cron jobs this week to use the graceful option (we replaced our Alpha with a Sun, so I had to tweak everything). I don't know how long it's been there. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Jan 10 15:44:42 2002 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Weird error message References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B574A@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3C3DFD3A.4CCDF09A@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Yeah, Google is where I got the bulk of my info on them. The thing is that one doesn't have to be a particularly good cracker if they have some dynamite script that compromises dozens of servers. In other words, if one has a script that can exploit multiple, common, and rarely patched security holes, then all they have to do is get in, execute the script and get out. Depending on connection speeds, bandwidth, number of hops they may or may not be making to avoid easy tracking, a group could compromise several machines per day. Basically, this is the new millennium's answer to graffiti on brick walls. "Sloan, Bernie" wrote: > They must be pretty busy. A Google search gets hundreds of results for > hacked servers. > > Bernie Sloan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Scott [mailto:scott@lights.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:37 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Weird error message > > When accessing http://www.castlemoyle.com/ which was fine a few days ago, > you get: > > Error 469 Hacked [Trippin Smurfs] one down many to go - gl0b4l > > Any ideas? -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Thu Jan 10 17:42:40 2002 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Googol? Message-ID: <200201101742.AA17826164@ansernet.rcls.org> Someone has also registered guignol.com, though I'm disappointed to see that it is not a search engine to all the morbid and shocking web sites in existence ;-} -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From Mary.Kindred at maine.edu Thu Jan 10 22:46:20 2002 From: Mary.Kindred at maine.edu (Mary Kindred) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? References: Message-ID: <004001c19a52$9bb969a0$0bccedd1@minky> This is a hoot and a half. If you backtrack on the url you'll see this message: "Nothing to see here folks; move along.", then it quickly redirects! Mary Kindred mary.kindred@maine.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? > Hi all, > > Have you guys seen this yet? > > http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html From ian.winship at unn.ac.uk Wed Jan 16 06:55:25 2002 From: ian.winship at unn.ac.uk (Ian Winship) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine Message-ID: <8CB72D8EAD84D411B3D600508BCF7B6C01FA8E67@colorado.unn.ac.uk> My institution currently blocks the Internet Archive Wayback Machine(www.archive.org) - the huge archive of old Web pages. I think the rationale for this is that it allows users access to porn and other sites that are directly blocked. (We use Websense) I wish to argue for its unblocking, but first would be interested to hear if anyone else has had the same problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Winship Learning Resources, University of Northumbria at Newcastle City Campus Library, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST, UK ---------------- e-mail: ian.winship@unn.ac.uk phone: 0191 227 4150 fax: 0191 227 4563 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sethf at sethf.com Wed Jan 16 10:18:25 2002 From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine Message-ID: <20020116101825.A14269@sethf.com> > Ian Winship (ian.winship@unn.ac.uk) wrote: > My institution currently blocks the Internet Archive Wayback > Machine(www.archive.org) - the huge archive of old Web pages. I think > the rationale for this is that it allows users access to porn and > other sites that are directly blocked. (We use Websense) [For people who may not recognize my name, I'm the former chief programmer of Censorware Project, now generating my own material at Seth Finkelstein's Anticensorware Investigations http://anticensorware.com I've examined more censorware program internally than anyone else, and won an EFF 2001 Pioneer Award for my work on the topic http://www.eff.org/awards/20010305_pioneer_press_release.html But enough about qualifications ....] Yes, you're correct, more or less. According to WebSense: Websense URL Lookup Tool Results The URL: http://web.archive.org/web/ is classified by Websense under the category: Proxy Avoidance Systems However, in terms of emphasis, I would not describe the situation as "allows users access to porn and other sites that are directly blocked.". Rather, I would say it arises from the widespread misperception of censorware as programs which "filter" (remove ugly, yucky, material), rather than *control* what people are allowed to read. Any site which lets people out of the blinder-box MUST thus be forbidden. That's what Websense means above by the term "Proxy Avoidance Systems" - escape from the control. > I wish to argue for its unblocking, but first would be interested to > hear if anyone else has had the same problem. Per above, it's a generic problem of censorware. I have an extensive report on this regarding another censorware program: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/loophole.php See also: BESS vs Google: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php N2H2/BESS bans the Wayback machine too, see http://database.n2h2.com/cgi-perl/catrpt.pl?req_URL=http://web.archive.org The Site: http://web.archive.org is categorized by N2H2 as: Loop Hole Sites All sites which provide anonymity, privacy, even language translation, etc. are necessarily prohibited under censorware. Such sites are "escape routes" from the necessary control. I've been trying to get people to realize this, but I haven't been able to get the idea into the debate much. I'm drafting a follow-up report focusing on more instances, but figuring out how to get publicity has been problematic. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html From DobbsA at apsu.edu Wed Jan 16 10:07:37 2002 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EBF0@exchange.apsu.edu> Gee, that's easy. Stop using filtering software. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Winship [mailto:ian.winship@unn.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 6:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine My institution currently blocks the Internet Archive Wayback Machine(www.archive.org) - the huge archive of old Web pages. I think the rationale for this is that it allows users access to porn and other sites that are directly blocked. (We use Websense) I wish to argue for its unblocking, but first would be interested to hear if anyone else has had the same problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Winship Learning Resources, University of Northumbria at Newcastle City Campus Library, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST, UK ---------------- e-mail: ian.winship@unn.ac.uk phone: 0191 227 4150 fax: 0191 227 4563 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Jan 16 10:20:28 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] back button In-Reply-To: <3C44980C.379679EC@mbl.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116094349.0283e120@ohiolink.edu> At 04:05 PM 1/15/2002, Amy Stout wrote: >Hi, > >Here's a question that came up at work today. Is it possible to set a >parameter in a web page that dictates where the browser will go when the >user hits the "back" button? > >Thank you, >Amy I sure hope not. Javascript can read the browser's history stack, so for Javascript-enabled browsers a script may know where "Back" goes to, but to the best of my knowledge it can't change that value. Thank goodness, because "Back" is about as fundamental a navigational idea as there is, and if your page were able to change a user's Back location it would seriously confuse many users, would be prone to abuse by nefarious web sites, and would generally cause the imminent death of the net (film at 11:00). Seriously: in a client-server relationship like the web, the client gets exclusive rights to some functions, and a browser's history needs to be one of those functions. You could--or should, IMO--articulate a logical "previous" document with a link element. This will always be "previous" from the document's perspective, and not necessarily "back" from the user's perspective. And it will currently be supported only in Netscape 6.2, Mozilla, Lynx, and a few less heavily used browsers. Perhaps if you described the problem for which you're considering this, alternative solutions would arise. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Wed Jan 16 10:55:14 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A570@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> It may not be that we don't understand (but there are many who do not) but that we don't like it. "Nobody loves an executioner." Or, in my opinion, a censor. People don't have the capacity to decide what others can or should read. Parents do have this responsibility, but I am not sure that they do a good job of it either. But that can be outgrown. Just my own opinions. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Seth Finkelstein [SMTP:sethf@sethf.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Blocking the Internet Archive Wayback Machine > Ian Winship (ian.winship@unn.ac.uk) wrote: > My institution currently blocks the Internet Archive Wayback > Machine(www.archive.org) - the huge archive of old Web pages. I think > the rationale for this is that it allows users access to porn and > other sites that are directly blocked. (We use Websense) [For people who may not recognize my name, I'm the former chief programmer of Censorware Project, now generating my own material at Seth Finkelstein's Anticensorware Investigations http://anticensorware.com I've examined more censorware program internally than anyone else, and won an EFF 2001 Pioneer Award for my work on the topic http://www.eff.org/awards/20010305_pioneer_press_release.html But enough about qualifications ....] Yes, you're correct, more or less. According to WebSense: Websense URL Lookup Tool Results The URL: http://web.archive.org/web/ is classified by Websense under the category: Proxy Avoidance Systems However, in terms of emphasis, I would not describe the situation as "allows users access to porn and other sites that are directly blocked.". Rather, I would say it arises from the widespread misperception of censorware as programs which "filter" (remove ugly, yucky, material), rather than *control* what people are allowed to read. Any site which lets people out of the blinder-box MUST thus be forbidden. That's what Websense means above by the term "Proxy Avoidance Systems" - escape from the control. > I wish to argue for its unblocking, but first would be interested to > hear if anyone else has had the same problem. Per above, it's a generic problem of censorware. I have an extensive report on this regarding another censorware program: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/loophole.php See also: BESS vs Google: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php N2H2/BESS bans the Wayback machine too, see http://database.n2h2.com/cgi-perl/catrpt.pl?req_URL=http://web.archive.org The Site: http://web.archive.org is categorized by N2H2 as: Loop Hole Sites All sites which provide anonymity, privacy, even language translation, etc. are necessarily prohibited under censorware. Such sites are "escape routes" from the necessary control. I've been trying to get people to realize this, but I haven't been able to get the idea into the debate much. I'm drafting a follow-up report focusing on more instances, but figuring out how to get publicity has been problematic. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Wed Jan 16 11:07:59 2002 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: echnical question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02Jan16.090413mst.119042@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> Does the light stay on continuously on the floppy drive? If so, the connector is likely on backwards. Did you check the power connections? Michelle At 05:02 PM 1/15/02, you wrote: >Joyce, > >Could it be a BIOS error? > >Jacque King >Library Technical Support Specialist >Fort Collins Public Library >201 Peterson Street >Fort Collins, CO 80524 >(970) 221-6716 >king@julip.fcgov.com > > >On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Joyce M. Latham wrote: > > > > > Ok, troops, here is one of those technical questions I need help with > > periodically: > > > > I am setting up a bunch of 486's for tear-down/re-build for a library > > school class. The only problem is a persistence in loss of the A drive > > -- four out of the six do not recognize the A drive -- swap out a > > drives, swap out cables, get a seek error message when booting the > > machine; tried changing the setup to 720's -- no luck. These are all > > the same machine, getting the same error, which leads me to believe it > > is a set-up issue in some way, other than just all the connectors on the > > mother board for the a drives has gone bad ... > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Joyce > > > > -- > > Joyce M. Latham > > GSLIS -- University of Illinois > > > > "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is > > only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi > > From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Jan 16 11:43:22 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: IDEALS(sm) : Emerging Innovative Augmented Digital Library Services Message-ID: IDEALS(sm) A Registry of Emerging Innovative Augmented Digital Library Services As a Child of the Fifties [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000032NA/qid=1011197431/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_19_4/102-8823609-7344124 ] I remain awestruck by the advances in information technology in libraries (and elsewhere)[Believe It or Not, for me it's all very much Science Fiction!] To commemorate my forthcoming 50+ birthday [Yep, I'm that old [:-(], I'm pleased to announce the establishment of a new registry devoted to "Emerging Innovative Augmented Digital Library Services" called IDEALS(sm). IDEALS(sm) is located at: [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/IDEALS.htm] [Yep, ANOTHER registry [:-)] IDEALS(sm) is a categorized registry of emerging innovative library services that enhance patron access, use, or manipulation of information resources made available by a library or similar organizational unit within a digital framework Currently, I've identified several categories and a few select examples for some. To fully develop IDEALS(sm) ,I would appreciate suggestions for technology categories or applications and /or examples of each. Presently I have the following categories: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY | BOOK RENEWAL | COMPUTER LAPTOP LOAN | DIGITIZATION SERVICES | E-MAIL NOTIFICATION | NETWORK PORTS | PERSONALIZED INTERFACES | OFFICE SOFTWARE | PORTABLE DIGITAL ASSISTANTS (PDAs) | PUBLIC SCANNERS | UNMEDIATED DOCUMENT DELIVERY | WIRELESS | ZIP DRIVES PUBLIC SERVICES | DATABASE ADVISORS | INTERLIBRARY LOAN DESKTOP ACCESS | VIRTUAL TOURS | Please note that the focus of IDEALS(sm) is "emerging innovative library services that enhance patron access, use, or manipulation of information resources made available by a library or similar organizational unit within a digital framework" [I am NOT interested in technological trends per say BUT their application in libraries that "enhance patron access, use, and manipulation" / I am aware of the Top Technology Trends site from LITA ( http://www.lita.org/committe/toptech/mainpage.htm)] An IDEAL example [:-)] of an IDEALS(sm) library technology application currently offered is 'real-time digital reference services' as listed and documented in my LiveRef(sm) registry [http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/LiveRef.htm ] [LiveRef(sm) will remain a separate registry from IDEALS(sm), although IDEALS(sm) is linked to LiveRef(sm] BTW: I am in the process of updating LiveRef(sm) and am interested in candidates or literature not presently listed. As Always, Any and All contributions, queries, questions, critiques, Cosmic Insights, or accounting audits, etc. are Most Welcome, including *relevant literature* I'm PARTICULARLY interested in any relevant IDEALS(sm) that ALA mid-Winterers discover. [BTW: IDEALS(sm) includes several Library Database Advisors [ http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0112/0257.html ] that I've identified to date] Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Fifties Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way To Predict the Future is Invent It! Alan Kay From Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com Wed Jan 16 11:51:03 2002 From: Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com (Sidey, Carolyne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Library Web Page Design Message-ID: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B071431AF@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Apologies if this has been discussed in the past. I could not find anything in the archives. I am looking for examples of library web pages designed around the concept of what the user would be looking for (as opposed to what the library has to offer) Something along the line of the Microsoft ad - where do you want to go today? Currently my site is organized by services and holdings. Any ideas, samples, comments???? thanks Carolyne _____ Carolyne Sidey Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada 2660 Speakman Drive Mississauga, Ontario CANADA L5K 2L1 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 1 (905) 822-7022 FAX csidey@crt.xerox.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com Wed Jan 16 12:10:27 2002 From: Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com (Sidey, Carolyne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Web Page Design Message-ID: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B071431C2@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Trying again. Apologies if this has been discussed in the past. I could not find anything in the archives. I am looking for examples of library web pages designed around the concept of what the user would be looking for (as opposed to what the library has to offer) Something along the line of the Microsoft ad - where do you want to go today? Currently my site is organized by services and holdings. Any ideas, samples, comments???? thanks Carolyne Carolyne Sidey Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada 2660 Speakman Drive Mississauga, Ontario CANADA L5K 2L1 1 (905) 823-7091 ext. 302 1 (905) 822-7022 FAX csidey@crt.xerox.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From tcottrel at students.uiuc.edu Wed Jan 16 13:02:59 2002 From: tcottrel at students.uiuc.edu (terrance luther cottrell) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals Message-ID: Hello everyone! I'm a new library systems person at a small college in Illinois. I was wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals once a user closes the program manually? I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but I'm still in the dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks Terry Cottrell From merchant at LATECH.EDU Wed Jan 16 13:08:11 2002 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116120702.025b3560@vm.cc.latech.edu> We use Mr. Holt's Autorestart program here at Tech. It has worked wonderfully. And it's free! Contact Eric Holt at eholt@stcharles.lib.la.us (I can't remember where the download site is for the program). TTFN, David Merchant Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From jcichewicz at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 16 13:12:14 2002 From: jcichewicz at tln.lib.mi.us (jcichewicz@tln.lib.mi.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've just learned about PWB's Auto Restart program available at http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm. I haven't used it but I've heard it works very well for keeping a specific appplication open. Joy Joy Cichewicz | Brighton District Library Electronic Services Librarian | 100 Library Dr. http://www.brighton.lib.mi.us | Brighton, MI 48116 810-229-6571, x219 | If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun. -Katherine Hepburn On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in Illinois. I was > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals once a user closes > the program manually? > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but I'm still in the > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > Terry Cottrell > > > > From kknox at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 16 13:17:09 2002 From: kknox at tln.lib.mi.us (Karen Knox) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c19eba$041b7ae0$2d390fce@tln.lib.mi.us> Terry, I've recently installed an Auto-Restart program that you can find at: http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/files/AutoRestart.zip (direct to the zip file) You configure this simple program to point to the executable you want to restart. I'm using Public Web Browser (same web site) so mine points to PublicBrowser.exe. We just started using it this week, but it seems to be working very well! Karen -------------------------------------------------------- Karen C. Knox, MLIS kknox@tln.lib.mi.us Head of Systems & Technology Novi Public Library - Novi, Michigan > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of terrance luther > cottrell > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > Hello everyone! > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in Illinois. I was > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals once > a user closes > the program manually? > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but I'm > still in the > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > Terry Cottrell > > > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 16 13:14:48 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Terry, Here's the download site for Eric's Auto Restart program that David recommended: http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm I just installed it on our web OPACs and it works great. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in Illinois. I was > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals once a user closes > the program manually? > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but I'm still in the > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > Terry Cottrell > > > > From marc at docutek.com Wed Jan 16 14:30:31 2002 From: marc at docutek.com (Marc Bertone) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: technical question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joyce, I had a similar problem at home recently, which turned out the be the cable. Most likely this is a problem with the BIOS settings on the machine...they are either outdated, or misconfigured. Most BIOS's (?) are fairly easy to configure for things like floppy drives, so I would be glad to review your settings if you wish. Feel free to contact me off-list. -Marc Marc A. Bertone Programmer Analyst marc@docutek.com 650-286-7389 (p) 650-286-7311 (f) ========================== Docutek Information Systems, Inc. http://www.docutek.com -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jacque King Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: echnical question Joyce, Could it be a BIOS error? Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Joyce M. Latham wrote: > > Ok, troops, here is one of those technical questions I need help with > periodically: > > I am setting up a bunch of 486's for tear-down/re-build for a library > school class. The only problem is a persistence in loss of the A drive > -- four out of the six do not recognize the A drive -- swap out a > drives, swap out cables, get a seek error message when booting the > machine; tried changing the setup to 720's -- no luck. These are all > the same machine, getting the same error, which leads me to believe it > is a set-up issue in some way, other than just all the connectors on the > mother board for the a drives has gone bad ... > > Any thoughts? > > Joyce > > -- > Joyce M. Latham > GSLIS -- University of Illinois > > "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is > only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi > From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Wed Jan 16 14:39:20 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals Message-ID: Does anyone know how this program might differ in performance from RUNAPP ? We use IE as the shell -- and use runapp to restart it shell=runapp.exe iexplore.exe Works fine MOST of the time -- BUT there SEEM to be some plug-ins (I'm suspecting RealAudio) that run in the background and 'fool' runapp into thinking IE is still open - so it doesnt kick in. Thus users are left with a blank screen until we restart the station. Has anyone else experienced this problem with RUNAPP -- and/or do you know if Mr. Holts program is plagued in the same way? Thanks Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX -----Original Message----- From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals Terry, Here's the download site for Eric's Auto Restart program that David recommended: http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm I just installed it on our web OPACs and it works great. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in Illinois. I was > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals once a user closes > the program manually? > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but I'm still in the > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > Terry Cottrell > > > > From kknox at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 16 14:49:46 2002 From: kknox at tln.lib.mi.us (Karen Knox) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c19ec6$f4535620$2d390fce@tln.lib.mi.us> Paul, According to the site, this Auto-Restart is very similar to RunApp.exe from MS. Eric Holt will probably be the best person to describe the differences. I haven't seen the problems you describe, but we've only been running it for a few days. Karen -------------------------------------------------------- Karen C. Knox, MLIS kknox@tln.lib.mi.us Head of Systems & Technology Novi Public Library - Novi, Michigan > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of GRAY, PAUL > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:43 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > Does anyone know how this program might differ in performance > from RUNAPP ? > We use IE as the shell -- and use runapp to restart it > shell=runapp.exe iexplore.exe > Works fine MOST of the time -- > BUT there SEEM to be some plug-ins (I'm suspecting RealAudio) > that run in > the background and 'fool' runapp into thinking IE is still > open - so it > doesnt kick in. > Thus users are left with a blank screen until we restart the station. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem with RUNAPP -- > and/or do you know > if Mr. Holts program is plagued in the same way? > > Thanks > Paul H. Gray > Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN > TCC Northeast Campus Library > Hurst, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > Terry, > > Here's the download site for Eric's Auto Restart program that David > recommended: > > http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm > > I just installed it on our web OPACs and it works great. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > > > Hello everyone! > > > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in > Illinois. I was > > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals > once a user closes > > the program manually? > > > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but > I'm still in the > > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Terry Cottrell > > > > > > > > From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Wed Jan 16 15:09:22 2002 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E178@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> We use IE as our shell and under NT4 configured it with the Internet Explorers Administration Kit to prevent users from closing IE. Under Win2k this is possible with Group Policy. I believe the IEAK will work the same way under Win95/8/x Jodi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Deja Brew: The feeling you've had this coffee before" > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Knox [mailto:kknox@tln.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 08:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > Paul, > > According to the site, this Auto-Restart is very similar to > RunApp.exe from > MS. Eric Holt will probably be the best person to describe > the differences. > I haven't seen the problems you describe, but we've only been > running it for > a few days. > > Karen > -------------------------------------------------------- > Karen C. Knox, MLIS > kknox@tln.lib.mi.us > Head of Systems & Technology > Novi Public Library - Novi, Michigan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of GRAY, PAUL > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:43 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > > > > Does anyone know how this program might differ in performance > > from RUNAPP ? > > We use IE as the shell -- and use runapp to restart it > > shell=runapp.exe iexplore.exe > > Works fine MOST of the time -- > > BUT there SEEM to be some plug-ins (I'm suspecting RealAudio) > > that run in > > the background and 'fool' runapp into thinking IE is still > > open - so it > > doesnt kick in. > > Thus users are left with a blank screen until we restart > the station. > > > > Has anyone else experienced this problem with RUNAPP -- > > and/or do you know > > if Mr. Holts program is plagued in the same way? > > > > Thanks > > Paul H. Gray > > Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN > > TCC Northeast Campus Library > > Hurst, TX > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > > > > Terry, > > > > Here's the download site for Eric's Auto Restart program that David > > recommended: > > > > http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm > > > > I just installed it on our web OPACs and it works great. > > > > Andrew Mutch > > Library Systems Technician > > Waterford Township Public Library > > Waterford, MI > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone! > > > > > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in > > Illinois. I was > > > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > > > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals > > once a user closes > > > the program manually? > > > > > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but > > I'm still in the > > > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > > > > Terry Cottrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Wed Jan 16 16:04:00 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: IE not displaying JPEGS Message-ID: <3C45A470.2418.578173C@localhost> I'm hoping someone can help me with what is probably a simple fix. On one of our computers running IE 5.5, when I try to view an html page with images, and the URL is a drive/path rather than an http link, the images won't display. The web page itself will display just fine, with the URL reading z:\library\....\filename.htm, but the images on those pages are only showing placeholders. The link to the image is correct, as the same pages work fine on all other computers in the building, and this computer does have full rights to the image folders on z: When I cut and paste the drive/path URL from IE into Netscape, Netscape will display the image properly. Just before this happened I changed this computer's default browser from Netscape to IE using the set default browser utility located on the Public Web Browser website. I don't know if IE would have worked properly before this change, because we were not using it on this particular computer. Another clue perhaps... jpegs are associated with LView on this computer. When I add an href link to the img src link on this page, it should allow me to click on the image and display that image alone and separate from the rest of the page, but even that will only display a placeholder. The LView icon appears before the drive/path URL in the address bar. Ideas? Bill Teschek Assistant Director Lane Memorial Library 2 Academy Ave. Hampton, NH 03842 bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us (603)-926-3368 (603)-926-1348 (fax) http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Wed Jan 16 16:26:25 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE not displaying JPEGS In-Reply-To: <3C45A470.2418.578173C@localhost> Message-ID: <3C45A9B1.25797.58C9D14@localhost> Two more things I forgot to mention... Yes, IE is configured to display images. Web pages using an http link display images just fine. Secondly, this computer recently suffered from an attack of the Magistr virus, and several executables were corrupted. I had to copy working versions of such programs as notepad and wordpad from another computer because they wouldn't work after the attack. So perhaps there is yet another corrupt file somewhere? Bill Teschek > I'm hoping someone can help me with what is probably a simple fix. > On one of our computers running IE 5.5, when I try to view an html > page with images, and the URL is a drive/path rather than an http > link, the images won't display. The web page itself will display just > fine, with the URL reading z:\library\....\filename.htm, but the images > on those pages are only showing placeholders. The link to the > image is correct, as the same pages work fine on all other > computers in the building, and this computer does have full rights to > the image folders on z: > > When I cut and paste the drive/path URL from IE into Netscape, > Netscape will display the image properly. Just before this happened > I changed this computer's default browser from Netscape to IE > using the set default browser utility located on the Public Web > Browser website. I don't know if IE would have worked properly > before this change, because we were not using it on this particular > computer. > > Another clue perhaps... jpegs are associated with LView on this > computer. When I add an href link to the img src link on this page, it > should allow me to click on the image and display that image alone > and separate from the rest of the page, but even that will only > display a placeholder. The LView icon appears before the drive/path > URL in the address bar. > > Ideas? > > Bill Teschek > Assistant Director > Lane Memorial Library > 2 Academy Ave. > Hampton, NH 03842 > bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us > (603)-926-3368 > (603)-926-1348 (fax) > http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us > > Bill Teschek bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us From msauers at bcr.org Wed Jan 16 16:47:44 2002 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE not displaying JPEGS In-Reply-To: <3C45A9B1.25797.58C9D14@localhost> Message-ID: > > fine, with the URL reading z:\library\....\filename.htm, but the images > > on those pages are only showing placeholders. Have you tried using a local URL: file:///z:library/..../filename.htm ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From tcottrel at students.uiuc.edu Wed Jan 16 16:55:04 2002 From: tcottrel at students.uiuc.edu (terrance luther cottrell) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals In-Reply-To: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E178@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: Thanks for all the guys!!! --Terry On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Jodi Thomson wrote: > We use IE as our shell and under NT4 configured it with the Internet > Explorers Administration Kit to prevent users from closing IE. Under Win2k > this is possible with Group Policy. I believe the IEAK will work the same > way under Win95/8/x > > Jodi > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant > Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group > Ph: +64 7 838 4323 > email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz > > "Deja Brew: The feeling you've had this coffee before" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Knox [mailto:kknox@tln.lib.mi.us] > > Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 08:51 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > > > > Paul, > > > > According to the site, this Auto-Restart is very similar to > > RunApp.exe from > > MS. Eric Holt will probably be the best person to describe > > the differences. > > I haven't seen the problems you describe, but we've only been > > running it for > > a few days. > > > > Karen > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Karen C. Knox, MLIS > > kknox@tln.lib.mi.us > > Head of Systems & Technology > > Novi Public Library - Novi, Michigan > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > > > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of GRAY, PAUL > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:43 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how this program might differ in performance > > > from RUNAPP ? > > > We use IE as the shell -- and use runapp to restart it > > > shell=runapp.exe iexplore.exe > > > Works fine MOST of the time -- > > > BUT there SEEM to be some plug-ins (I'm suspecting RealAudio) > > > that run in > > > the background and 'fool' runapp into thinking IE is still > > > open - so it > > > doesnt kick in. > > > Thus users are left with a blank screen until we restart > > the station. > > > > > > Has anyone else experienced this problem with RUNAPP -- > > > and/or do you know > > > if Mr. Holts program is plagued in the same way? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Paul H. Gray > > > Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN > > > TCC Northeast Campus Library > > > Hurst, TX > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrew I. Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:24 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: auto re-starting browsers on public terminals > > > > > > > > > Terry, > > > > > > Here's the download site for Eric's Auto Restart program that David > > > recommended: > > > > > > http://teamsoftware.bizland.com/downloads.htm > > > > > > I just installed it on our web OPACs and it works great. > > > > > > Andrew Mutch > > > Library Systems Technician > > > Waterford Township Public Library > > > Waterford, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, terrance luther cottrell wrote: > > > > > > > Hello everyone! > > > > > > > > I'm a new library systems person at a small college in > > > Illinois. I was > > > > wondering if anyone had any tips on getting Internet Explorer (or > > > > Netscape) to auto-restart itself on my public terminals > > > once a user closes > > > > the program manually? > > > > > > > > I've seen other terminals at other libraries do this, but > > > I'm still in the > > > > dark. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > > > > > > Terry Cottrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Wed Jan 16 16:53:20 2002 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE not displaying JPEGS Message-ID: <3C45B000.22788.5A541FF@localhost> No change. The other way works in Netscape, and on every other IE installation in the library, so why not here? Bill Teschek > > fine, with the URL reading z:\library\....\filename.htm, but the images > > on those pages are only showing placeholders. > Have you tried using a local URL: > file:///z:library/..../filename.htm Bill Teschek bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us From Pradeep.Lele at nhmccd.edu Wed Jan 16 17:26:30 2002 From: Pradeep.Lele at nhmccd.edu (Lele, Pradeep) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Security on circulating wireless laptop computers Message-ID: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A7917AC@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> How are libraries handling security on the wireless laptops that you check out to students in the library? Are you using a software solution like DeepFreeze? or are you simply "ghosting" the laptops on return? We are in the process of introducing this service but are concerned about critical files being deleted... of course not to mention "other" usual concerns like - "unpalatable" images :) Pradeep Lele Reference/Information Technology Librarian North Harris College Houston, TX 77073 Tel: 281 618 7123 From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Wed Jan 16 17:45:24 2002 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: laptop security Message-ID: <001a01c19edf$7d25a800$14915fa5@tamut.edu> Good question Pradeep? We have just received 21 wireless laptops to be checked out. Another question: Is anybody using contracts when checking out to cover damage or stolen? We use Fortres here. I am not familiar with deepfreeze, but i am sure it probably does the same thing. As anybody familiar with both deepfreeze and fortres that is willing to share experiences with both and their recommendation. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us Wed Jan 16 19:04:32 2002 From: hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Susan Hensley) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Intranets in public libraries Message-ID: Hey all, I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share information about how their Library intranets are managed and how the work is organized. Mission statements, committee charges, number of bodies and what their jobs are, anything along these lines would be relevant. I am only interested in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries are doing (academics have different staffing/management issues, IME). Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. Thanks for your help, Susan Hensley ******************************************* Sonoma County Library http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** From tony.parsons at racgp.org.au Wed Jan 16 19:23:06 2002 From: tony.parsons at racgp.org.au (Tony Parsons) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c19eed$225ad360$ae990fcb@racgp.org.au> Dear all, please reply to list. I'd been keen to see some comments too. Regards Tony Parsons. Technical Services Librarian Royal Australian College of General Practitioners - Resource Centre Ph (03) 9214 1487 Fax (03) 9214 1403 http://www.racgp.org.au -- > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Susan Hensley > Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 11:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries > > > > Hey all, > > I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share information about > how their Library intranets are managed and how the work is organized. > Mission statements, committee charges, number of bodies and what their > jobs are, anything along these lines would be relevant. I am only > interested in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries are > doing (academics have different staffing/management issues, IME). > > Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. > > Thanks for your help, > > Susan Hensley > ******************************************* > Sonoma County Library > http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ > hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us > **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** > > > From thuwe at library.berkeley.edu Wed Jan 16 19:54:44 2002 From: thuwe at library.berkeley.edu (Terry Huwe) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: Intranet/Portal Product Reviews? Message-ID: Friends: We're examining the marketplace for Intranet/Extranet/Portal software, for use in a community-university partnership. We're planning to come up with a list of the "top ten" for the dominant price ranges--including open source products like Zope and higher ticket items like Cold Fusion. We would like to ask those of you who are working in firms and departments with various portal software to share your own "best picks" with this list. What are you using? What have recently taken a close look at? We'd love to hear your uncensored product reviews. This is very preliminary so we don't have anything in mind yet. I'd rather not say what we think we'd like to do as we really just want to know what you seasoned intranet/extranet/portal managers like--and what you counsel others to avoid! :-) Please reply to the list so all can benefit. Thanks, Terry Huwe *********************************************** Terence K. Huwe Director of Library and Information Resources Institute of Industrial Relations Institute for Labor and Employment University of California Voice: (510) 643-7061 Fax: (510) 642-6432 http://iir.berkeley.edu *********************************************** From ladyhawk at well.com Wed Jan 16 20:10:38 2002 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C45DE3E.4015.235BAC8@localhost> You may find some still useful information in the Tech Note I wrote for the Public Library Association http://www.pla.org/publications/technotes/technotes_intranet.html GraceAnne DeCandido Susan Hensley wrote on 16 Jan 2002, about [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries > > Hey all, > > I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share > information about how their Library intranets are managed > and how the work is organized. Mission statements, committee > charges, number of bodies and what their jobs are, anything > along these lines would be relevant. I am only interested > in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries > are doing (academics have different staffing/management > issues, IME). > > Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. > > Thanks for your help, > > Susan Hensley > ******************************************* > Sonoma County Library > http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ > hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us > **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. Garrison Keillor From enzo.accadia at chcc.nsw.gov.au Wed Jan 16 20:27:01 2002 From: enzo.accadia at chcc.nsw.gov.au (Enzo Accadia) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries Message-ID: <21CA23A54FA8D1118E7B00805FCC0B8D0174EB89@MAIL> Hi Susan, You might find some useful info at this site: http://home.pacbell.net/jjkup/other.html I look after our own library intranet, however we are only a small-medium library with 2 branches and a FTE staff of 17 - so it is easily managed! Regards, Enzo Accadia Information Technology Officer Coffs Harbour City Library & Information Service www.chcc.nsw.gov.au/library/index.html Telephone: 02 6648 4129 Facsimile: 02 6648 4906 -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hensley [SMTP:hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries Hey all, I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share information about how their Library intranets are managed and how the work is organized. Mission statements, committee charges, number of bodies and what their jobs are, anything along these lines would be relevant. I am only interested in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries are doing (academics have different staffing/management issues, IME). Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. Thanks for your help, Susan Hensley ******************************************* Sonoma County Library http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** From PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net Wed Jan 16 14:49:13 2002 From: PAUL.GRAY at tccd.net (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: back button Message-ID: Ditto to Mr. D - Not too long ago there was a lengthy thread regarding some pages that did something similar to what you request. They had a redirect script such that when you when you hit 'back' and got to that page - you were redirected to the page you just came from -- effectively locking you in a loop at their site unless you knew to jump back two pages. Consensus as I recall was that this was a REALLY TACKY thing to do. PHG Hurst, TX -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Dowling [mailto:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: back button At 04:05 PM 1/15/2002, Amy Stout wrote: >Hi, > >Here's a question that came up at work today. Is it possible to set a >parameter in a web page that dictates where the browser will go when the >user hits the "back" button? > >Thank you, >Amy I sure hope not. . . . (bulk deleted see original message) From hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us Wed Jan 16 20:46:26 2002 From: hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Susan Hensley) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries In-Reply-To: <3C45DE3E.4015.235BAC8@localhost> Message-ID: Thanks GraceAnne - I knew about your article. I have always been a fan of your technotes. Thanks again for taking the time to send the url. Susan Hensley ******************************************* Sonoma County Library http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, GraceAnne A. DeCandido wrote: > You may find some still useful information in the Tech Note > I wrote for the Public Library Association > > http://www.pla.org/publications/technotes/technotes_intranet.html > > GraceAnne DeCandido > > Susan Hensley wrote on 16 Jan 2002, about [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries > > > > > Hey all, > > > > I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share > > information about how their Library intranets are managed > > and how the work is organized. Mission statements, committee > > charges, number of bodies and what their jobs are, anything > > along these lines would be relevant. I am only interested > > in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries > > are doing (academics have different staffing/management > > issues, IME). > > > > Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Susan Hensley > > ******************************************* > > Sonoma County Library > > http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ > > hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us > > **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** > > GraceAnne A. DeCandido > Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ > ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html > What's Ladyhawk reading now? > http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html > > Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. > Garrison Keillor > > From merchant at LATECH.EDU Fri Jan 18 09:40:29 2002 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the question...Re: [WEB4LIB] Web blogger for library technology applications In-Reply-To: <20020118005851.97122.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118083856.02506530@vm.cc.latech.edu> Alright, for the prematurely senile, like me, what is the difference between blog, chat and a message board? Seems precious little to me, but then, I'm being prematurely senile... TTFN, David Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 18 09:52:46 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the question...Re: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118083856.02506530@vm.cc.latech.edu> Message-ID: <3C4836BE.AE8C31BD@tln.lib.mi.us> David, The primary difference is in the style of communicaton. A blog is typically the personal postings of an individual on their own web site. You can read their postings like a journal entry. Some of the bogs also provide an opportunity for reader comment. Chat is normally one-to-one or one-to-many communication in real-time. A message board is the merging of the two. On a message board, people can post comments and others can respond to those. It's not as instantaneous as chat and not as personalized as a blog. Of course, these are all broad generalizations! I hope that helps. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI David Merchant wrote: > Alright, for the prematurely senile, like me, what is the difference > between blog, chat and a message board? Seems precious little to me, but > then, I'm being prematurely senile... > > TTFN, > David > Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University > > merchant@latech.edu > JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) > Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) > Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 18 10:02:21 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 5 question References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118083856.02506530@vm.cc.latech.edu> Message-ID: <3C4838FD.A52847F1@tln.lib.mi.us> We have Adobe Acrobat 5 installed on some computers to allow patrons to view tax forms on the web. In AAR 5, when you go to print a PDF document, one of the options on the Print dialog window is a button labeled "Printing Tips". If you click on this button, your web browser opens and tries to access the Adobe site. As we have the browsers locked down on these machines so that they can not go out to the web, the browser fails to reach Adobe's site and the patron gets an error message. Does anyone know of a way to disable or remove "Printing Tips" from the AAR 5? A check through the Adobe support docs and Google didn't return any helpful information. Thank you, Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From merchant at LATECH.EDU Fri Jan 18 10:12:15 2002 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the In-Reply-To: <3C4836BE.AE8C31BD@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118091124.025b13a8@vm.cc.latech.edu> >Of course, these are all broad generalizations! I hope that helps. Clears it right up! Thanks! TTFN, David Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From eholt at cals.lib.ar.us Fri Jan 18 11:28:10 2002 From: eholt at cals.lib.ar.us (Eric Holt) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: Auto Restart Program Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020118102512.00a72118@150.208.84.6> Hello all, It has come to my attention that my program-restarting utility is being discussed on this list, so I have joined the list and I will do my best to answer any questions or to resolve any problems that people might be having with the program. Feel free to either mail the list or myself directly. Eric Holt Manager, Computer and Network Services Central Arkansas Library System 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 (501) 318-3060 From KevilL at missouri.edu Fri Jan 18 12:55:20 2002 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF756@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> OK, gang, now that this topic has been breached, could I ask for recommendations regarding message board software suitable for our library's web users group? Anything goes, from FrontPage Discussion Webs to sophisticated boards like the Anandtech Community or the OCWorkbench forums, provided it works well for you. TIA, Hunter L. Hunter Kevil Collection Development Librarian 176 Elmer Ellis Library University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 voice 573-882-6034 facsimile -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the David, The primary difference is in the style of communicaton. A blog is typically the personal postings of an individual on their own web site. You can read their postings like a journal entry. Some of the bogs also provide an opportunity for reader comment. Chat is normally one-to-one or one-to-many communication in real-time. A message board is the merging of the two. On a message board, people can post comments and others can respond to those. It's not as instantaneous as chat and not as personalized as a blog. Of course, these are all broad generalizations! I hope that helps. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI David Merchant wrote: > Alright, for the prematurely senile, like me, what is the difference > between blog, chat and a message board? Seems precious little to me, but > then, I'm being prematurely senile... > > TTFN, > David > Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University > > merchant@latech.edu > JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) > Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) > Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US Fri Jan 18 13:12:49 2002 From: levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Jenny Levine) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the References: <3C4836BE.AE8C31BD@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <016d01c1a04b$bd5f1100$6302a8c0@sls.lib.il.us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mutch" > The primary difference is in the style of communicaton. I would also add the ability to export the communication to other formats. As I am learning with Userland's Radio blogging software, the ability to create and subscribe to RSS feeds (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/files/specification.html) has incredible potential. I wouldn't want to syndicate my chats, and message boards would be too difficult. But it's perfect for blogging. As with newspapers, you can "subscribe" to my blog and read my updates (along with any other subscriptions you may have) when it is convenient for you. It saves us both a lot of time but lets me share information with you. Jenny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny Levine 125 Tower Drive Internet Development Specialist Burr Ridge, IL 60527 Suburban Library System +1 (630) 734 5141 http://www.sls.lib.il.us/ levinej@sls.lib.il.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > A blog is typically the personal postings of an individual on their own web > site. You can read their postings like a journal entry. Some of the bogs > also provide an opportunity for reader comment. > > Chat is normally one-to-one or one-to-many communication in real-time. > > A message board is the merging of the two. On a message board, people can > post comments and others can respond to those. It's not as instantaneous as > chat and not as personalized as a blog. > > Of course, these are all broad generalizations! I hope that helps. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > David Merchant wrote: > > > Alright, for the prematurely senile, like me, what is the difference > > between blog, chat and a message board? Seems precious little to me, but > > then, I'm being prematurely senile... > > > > TTFN, > > David > > Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University > > > > merchant@latech.edu > > JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) > > Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) > > Webmaster, Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) > > From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Jan 18 13:50:25 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: Fire walls and multiple IP addresses - can they be? Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A585@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> For several years now, we have been trying to work our way out of a problem. Most of the vendors want to sell us services and subscriptions that limit access to our FDA Center by IP address. However, since all of FDA has the same IP address as a result of its fire wall configuration, we have problems with individual vendors. Some will go along with it and others want us to pay for all of FDA. Since we are the only center to use some engineering and science sources, this is difficult to sell to our superiors. However the point of this question is to get up to date on fire wall technology. I was told the year before last that our technology (I think it is called Raptor) would be able to deliver more than one IP address to an organization. Since then, with some looking on my part, I have not seen if this is possible or not. Nobody in FDA had mentioned this and those who run our fire wall are not convinced that it would be of value to have more than one IP address. Not so far as I know, at my position many levels below. Is it a reasonable and "easy" process to have a fire wall now which can allow individual areas to have individual IP addresses? Or is there another solution to this problem? We have tried passwords, but that is another tale of pain and woe. I understand that some libraries don't even worry about it, but we want to stay honest. Thanks, Gary Masters Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 From LPinkham at plcmc.org Fri Jan 18 13:57:31 2002 From: LPinkham at plcmc.org (Pinkham, Lida) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries Message-ID: We quite a very active and well used staff intranet. Unfortunately it is not open for public viewing. ----------- Content ----------- We have everything from HR/Benefits information to phone directories to forms to databases that allow staff to share ideas and information. Over the years our staff intranet has become a central location for information in our library system. We are a county system with 23 branches and about 475 staff members. -------------- Managed -------------- I am the project lead for our staff intranet. Myself, our web designer and a few other staff members do the actual HTML/Web Page Design. We also have an Intranet Advisory Team. The Intranet Advisory Team meets every other month to review suggestions for the intranet and prioritize projects. The team is also responsible for assisting in content development when needed and reviewing the site to be sure it is up-to-date. The team consists of 12 staff members from all areas of the library and different branch locations and sizes. --------------------------- Mission Statement --------------------------- The mission of the PLCMC Intranet is to help meet staff's informational needs by using the intranet as a vehicle to disseminate information and communicate ideas. The Intranet Advisory Team will seek interactive participation from staff and ensure that information is meaningful, concise, accurate, well organized, and easily accessible. It is the fundamental goal of the PLCMC Intranet to be recognized as a central location for information that will assist in assuring service excellence for internal and external customers. If you want more detail - let me know. I have 3 tips for developing a staff intranet. 1.) Get staff buy-in or it won't get used. 2.) Focus on projects that will have the most bang for the buck. Like this is the ONLY place to get this info. 2.) MARKETING!!! Yes even internal resources need to be marketed. Lida Pinkham Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County Library Resource Trainer 704-353-0631 (phone) 704-336-2677 (fax) Check out the PLCMC family of websites: http://www.plcmc.org/sharedPages/PLCMCwebSites.htm "Read the best books first, or you may not have a chance to read them at all." ~Henry David Thoreau / ) __ ~ / | )\ -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hensley [mailto:hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intranets in public libraries Hey all, I would be grateful if anyone would be willing to share information about how their Library intranets are managed and how the work is organized. Mission statements, committee charges, number of bodies and what their jobs are, anything along these lines would be relevant. I am only interested in what medium to large size multi-branch public libraries are doing (academics have different staffing/management issues, IME). Any URLs open to public viewing would also be useful. Thanks for your help, Susan Hensley ******************************************* Sonoma County Library http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** From eholt at cals.lib.ar.us Fri Jan 18 14:19:45 2002 From: eholt at cals.lib.ar.us (Eric Holt) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fire walls and multiple IP addresses - can they be? In-Reply-To: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A585@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020118130752.00a7cd80@150.208.84.6> The short answer is yes, you can use individual public IP addresses for each of your machines through a firewall. The reason for this is that it's not really the firewall that is making all of your computers look like they are coming from one IP address. Apparently your organization is running through a proxy server or a router with NAT address translation, and that's what is making all of the computers share an IP address--this has nothing to do with the firewall itself. There is no reason why you have to share an IP address like that in order for the firewall to work correctly, but many organizations do this so that they can keep their internal machines on private IP addresses as an additional security measure. Even so, it's possible to go through a proxy server/ NAT and have your department appear to be coming from one IP address and the rest of the FDA from another. There is no techinical reason that it can't be done, you just have to convince someone to re-configure things that way. Good luck! Eric Holt Manager, Computer and Network Services Central Arkansas Library System 100 Rock St. Little Rock, AR 72201 (501) 918-3060 At 10:51 AM 1/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: >For several years now, we have been trying to work our way out of a problem. >Most of the vendors want to sell us services and subscriptions that limit >access to our FDA Center by IP address. However, since all of FDA has the >same IP address as a result of its fire wall configuration, we have problems >with individual vendors. Some will go along with it and others want us to >pay for all of FDA. Since we are the only center to use some engineering >and science sources, this is difficult to sell to our superiors. > >However the point of this question is to get up to date on fire wall >technology. I was told the year before last that our technology (I think it >is called Raptor) would be able to deliver more than one IP address to an >organization. Since then, with some looking on my part, I have not seen if >this is possible or not. Nobody in FDA had mentioned this and those who run >our fire wall are not convinced that it would be of value to have more than >one IP address. Not so far as I know, at my position many levels below. > >Is it a reasonable and "easy" process to have a fire wall now which can >allow individual areas to have individual IP addresses? > >Or is there another solution to this problem? > >We have tried passwords, but that is another tale of pain and woe. > >I understand that some libraries don't even worry about it, but we want to >stay honest. > >Thanks, > >Gary Masters > > > >Gary E. Masters >Librarian (Systems) >CDRH - FDA >(301) 827-6893 Eric Holt Manager, Computer and Network Services Central Arkansas Library System 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 (501) 318-3060 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 18 14:52:47 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Fire walls and multiple IP addresses - can they In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020118130752.00a7cd80@150.208.84.6> Message-ID: Just for clarification, it is entirely possible that NAT is being done by the firewall. I know that our firewall does do NAT. NAT is not done through a separate proxy server or router. Our firewall also has the ability to allow access for individual public IP addresses and can translate those into private addresses for internal use. We are doing this for the security reasons that Eric describes. The short answer for Gary is that some firewall products can support multiple public IP addresses. It sounds like Gary needs to push on his tech people, if possible, to explain why they can't provide that access. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Eric Holt wrote: > > The short answer is yes, you can use individual public IP addresses for > each of your machines through a firewall. The reason for this is that it's > not really the firewall that is making all of your computers look like they > are coming from one IP address. > > Apparently your organization is running through a proxy server or a router > with NAT address translation, and that's what is making all of the > computers share an IP address--this has nothing to do with the firewall > itself. There is no reason why you have to share an IP address like that > in order for the firewall to work correctly, but many organizations do this > so that they can keep their internal machines on private IP addresses as an > additional security measure. > > Even so, it's possible to go through a proxy server/ NAT and have your > department appear to be coming from one IP address and the rest of the FDA > from another. There is no techinical reason that it can't be done, you > just have to convince someone to re-configure things that way. > > Good luck! > > Eric Holt > Manager, Computer and Network Services > Central Arkansas Library System > 100 Rock St. > Little Rock, AR 72201 > (501) 918-3060 > > At 10:51 AM 1/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >For several years now, we have been trying to work our way out of a problem. > >Most of the vendors want to sell us services and subscriptions that limit > >access to our FDA Center by IP address. However, since all of FDA has the > >same IP address as a result of its fire wall configuration, we have problems > >with individual vendors. Some will go along with it and others want us to > >pay for all of FDA. Since we are the only center to use some engineering > >and science sources, this is difficult to sell to our superiors. > > > >However the point of this question is to get up to date on fire wall > >technology. I was told the year before last that our technology (I think it > >is called Raptor) would be able to deliver more than one IP address to an > >organization. Since then, with some looking on my part, I have not seen if > >this is possible or not. Nobody in FDA had mentioned this and those who run > >our fire wall are not convinced that it would be of value to have more than > >one IP address. Not so far as I know, at my position many levels below. > > > >Is it a reasonable and "easy" process to have a fire wall now which can > >allow individual areas to have individual IP addresses? > > > >Or is there another solution to this problem? > > > >We have tried passwords, but that is another tale of pain and woe. > > > >I understand that some libraries don't even worry about it, but we want to > >stay honest. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Gary Masters > > > > > > > >Gary E. Masters > >Librarian (Systems) > >CDRH - FDA > >(301) 827-6893 > > > Eric Holt > Manager, Computer and Network Services > Central Arkansas Library System > 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 > (501) 318-3060 > From eholt at cals.lib.ar.us Fri Jan 18 15:43:40 2002 From: eholt at cals.lib.ar.us (Eric Holt) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Fire walls and multiple IP addresses - can they In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020118141922.00a6de98@150.208.84.6> I'm sorry if my explaination was confusing, but my point was that firewalling and address translation are two completely different functions. While a firewall product may include NAT or a proxy server, no true firewall requires that any kind of address translation be done. A firewall is a packet filter, and it can filter packets between any number of IP addresses, public or private. Changing the address translation so that multiple IPs are exposed to the external network has no effect on the functioning of the firewall and any firewall at all should be able to support this, although it will require that the firewall rules be changed to take the new IPs into account. Eric Holt Manager, Computer and Network Services Central Arkansas Library System 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 (501) 318-3060 At 11:54 AM 1/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Just for clarification, it is entirely possible that NAT is being done by >the firewall. I know that our firewall does do NAT. NAT is not >done through a separate proxy server or router. Our firewall also has the >ability to allow access for individual public IP addresses and can >translate those into private addresses for internal use. We are doing this >for the security reasons that Eric describes. > >The short answer for Gary is that some firewall products can support >multiple public IP addresses. It sounds like Gary needs to push on his >tech people, if possible, to explain why they can't provide that access. > >Andrew Mutch >Library Systems Technician >Waterford Township Public Library >Waterford, MI > > > > >On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Eric Holt wrote: > > > > > The short answer is yes, you can use individual public IP addresses for > > each of your machines through a firewall. The reason for this is that > it's > > not really the firewall that is making all of your computers look like > they > > are coming from one IP address. > > > > Apparently your organization is running through a proxy server or a router > > with NAT address translation, and that's what is making all of the > > computers share an IP address--this has nothing to do with the firewall > > itself. There is no reason why you have to share an IP address like that > > in order for the firewall to work correctly, but many organizations do > this > > so that they can keep their internal machines on private IP addresses > as an > > additional security measure. > > > > Even so, it's possible to go through a proxy server/ NAT and have your > > department appear to be coming from one IP address and the rest of the FDA > > from another. There is no techinical reason that it can't be done, you > > just have to convince someone to re-configure things that way. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Eric Holt > > Manager, Computer and Network Services > > Central Arkansas Library System > > 100 Rock St. > > Little Rock, AR 72201 > > (501) 918-3060 > > > > At 10:51 AM 1/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >For several years now, we have been trying to work our way out of a > problem. > > >Most of the vendors want to sell us services and subscriptions that limit > > >access to our FDA Center by IP address. However, since all of FDA has the > > >same IP address as a result of its fire wall configuration, we have > problems > > >with individual vendors. Some will go along with it and others want us to > > >pay for all of FDA. Since we are the only center to use some engineering > > >and science sources, this is difficult to sell to our superiors. > > > > > >However the point of this question is to get up to date on fire wall > > >technology. I was told the year before last that our technology (I > think it > > >is called Raptor) would be able to deliver more than one IP address to an > > >organization. Since then, with some looking on my part, I have not > seen if > > >this is possible or not. Nobody in FDA had mentioned this and those > who run > > >our fire wall are not convinced that it would be of value to have more > than > > >one IP address. Not so far as I know, at my position many levels below. > > > > > >Is it a reasonable and "easy" process to have a fire wall now which can > > >allow individual areas to have individual IP addresses? > > > > > >Or is there another solution to this problem? > > > > > >We have tried passwords, but that is another tale of pain and woe. > > > > > >I understand that some libraries don't even worry about it, but we want to > > >stay honest. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Gary Masters > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary E. Masters > > >Librarian (Systems) > > >CDRH - FDA > > >(301) 827-6893 > > > > > > Eric Holt > > Manager, Computer and Network Services > > Central Arkansas Library System > > 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 > > (501) 318-3060 > > Eric Holt Manager, Computer and Network Services Central Arkansas Library System 100 Rock St., Little Rock AR 72201 (501) 318-3060 From scott at lights.com Sat Jan 19 07:33:40 2002 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the In-Reply-To: <3C4836BE.AE8C31BD@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: > David Merchant wrote: > > Alright, for the prematurely senile, like me, what is the difference > between blog, chat and a message board? Here are some links that might shed some light: Complete guide to weblogs http://www.lights.com/weblogs/ Library weblogs http://www.libdex.com/weblogs.html library news daily http://www.lights.com/scott/ A Closer Look at Weblogs By Cindy Curling http://www.llrx.com/columns/notes46.htm From info at galwaylibrary.ie Sat Jan 19 09:40:24 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:53 2005 Subject: windows that keep popping up Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A9984C@galway-primary> Hi, With many porn sites, closing the site has the affect of causing another window to open. I presume this is done with JavaScript and the 'onUnload' event handler. For an experiment, I created a web page that causes a window to open when closed. This window in turn contains a document that causes a window to open when closed. The last window opened contains the first document and so the process continues in an unending loop. My question is how can this beast be controlled. On a public access pc, opening pornographic sites while you are attempting to close them can be embarrassing especially when you are not the person who opened the original site. Is there a quick way of closing such sites or is the 'onUnload' event handler more trouble than it is worth? I look forward to hearing from you. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sat Jan 19 11:30:53 2002 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:53 2005 Subject: TopicMap Feature in HighWire Message-ID: _TopicMap Feature in HighWire_ I have learned that High Wire now offers Topic Map access [ http://highwire.stanford.edu/ ] This option is accessible from a link in the center of the homepage Browse articles: Biological Sciences Physical Sciences Medical Sciences Social Sciences Browse using TopicMap, a graphical viewer An explanation (what's this?) is also available: "TopicMap" is a special Java applet designed to help you navigate topics on HighWire in a graphical form. The intent is to give you a sense of context while navigating a large, tree-structured database. When TopicMap is launched, it appears in a separate window. As it may take 60 seconds or more to load, you will want to keep this separate window open to avoid having to reload frequently. When results are selected (by double-clicking on a topic with more than zero documents), the results show up in the original browser window from which TopicMap was launched. " [ http://highwire.stanford.edu/help/hbt/ ] TopicMap is based on the Hyperbolic Tree SDK for Java, licensed from Inxight Software, Inc. [http://www.inxight.com/ ] BTW: I speculated about the application of (another type of) Topic Maps in navigating e-journals in a posting nearly a year ago ! [Yes!] [ http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0102/0264.html ] I wish to thank Terry Bucknell , Electronic Resources Manager, Harold Cohen Library, University of Liverpool, for The Heads Up about the HighWire Topic Map development! I believe that my colleagues will find TopicMaps in HighWire *quite* impressive. Give It a Try - t's the future of digital navigation! [:->] Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Topical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From ras at anzio.com Sat Jan 19 16:08:55 2002 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] windows that keep popping up In-Reply-To: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A9984C@galway-primary> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Info Galway Library wrote: > Hi, > ... > My question is how can this beast be controlled. On a public access pc, > opening pornographic sites while you are attempting to close them can be > embarrassing especially when you are not the person who opened the original > site. Is there a quick way of closing such sites or is the 'onUnload' event > handler more trouble than it is worth? You can Ctrl-Alt-Delete, and kill the browser's task(s). I suppose it would be fairly easy to write a "reset" program to kill all instances of IE (or whatever), and then restart the desktop. It amazes me that these sites think they're going to make more money by being so annoying. Or is their goal to be annoying? Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From cayz at lib.de.us Sun Jan 27 10:04:18 2002 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Email Services In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123162328.009f93b0@qube.nekls.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: Tasmin, All; The State Library of Delaware will be rolling out a WebMail system for all PL staff in the very near future (as soon as I return from vacation ...). It will hopefully all run on a single Sun Ultra 5/400, and uses IMAP instead of POP to allow the users to truly roam around since any saved emails are saved on the server, not on the (changing) local machine. (Disk space is cheap). Also, WebMail allows the system admin to create / change the "skins", to make it customized for the local audience. Since I know of at least two products called WebMail, the proper reference is necesary: http://netwinsite.com/ . They offer a 50% discount on educational purchases! Enjoy, James +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Cayz Telecommunications / Network Technologist I | | Email:cayz@lib.de.us Voice:302-739-4748 x130 Fax:302-739-6787 | | Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Tasmin R. Mills wrote: >I am trying to find out if libraries are using email servers in-house, if >they can access their email from any computer, and what particular software >they are using. My director has just asked me to research the possibility >of using a more robust email service, so that staff can check their email >from anywhere. I know that Microsoft Exchange and Novell GroupWise are >well known for this. Can anyone recommend something else or endorse either >product? > >ANY Help would be greatly appreciated. > >trm >----------- > >Tasmin R. Mills >Technology Coordinator >Lawrence Public Library >707 Vermont Street >Lawrence, KS 66049 > >785-843-3833, ext 106 >785-843-3833, ext 124 (voice) >785-843-3688, (FAX) > > From kschoi at postech.ac.kr Mon Jan 28 00:08:28 2002 From: kschoi at postech.ac.kr (kschoi@postech.ac.kr) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:08 2005 Subject: new photos from my party! Message-ID: <200201280508.g0S58SI07683@smtp.postech.ac.kr> Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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The Webliography lists themes pertaining to OSS in > libraries and zero or more links to Internet resources elaborating on > the > theme." > > The prototype envisages a portal that may develop as a community effort > with > regard to projects and information that may be notified and reviewed by > its > users. > > > > The idea for the portal arises from a meeting that the DLF hosted in > October > 2001 to consider how to assess claims made for open-source software > (OSS) > and, if appropriate, to identify steps to move OSS activity into the > mainstream of digital library development. A report on the meeting is > available from http://www.diglib.org/architectures/ossrep.htm > Implementation > owes great deal to Eric Lease Morgan and the Digital Access and > Information > Architecture Department of the University Libraries of Notre Dame. > > The prototype portal provides a framework within which a community > activity > may take place and be developed. Next steps are currently being > considered > about which comments are very much welcomed. > > In addition, the prototype demonstrates one way that the DLF may serve > its > members (and the broader community) through "technology watch" > initiatives, > that is, initiatives that monitor activity in discrete areas of > interest to > those developing digital libraries. > > I would also invite you to consider how we might extend this technology > watch function to other areas of interest (in this respect, we are > looking > both for the areas of interest we may cover as well as the mechanisms > we may > use to cover them) and to contact me with any ideas they may have. > > Kind regards, > Dan > > Daniel Greenstein > Director, Digital Library Federation > 1755 Massachusetts Ave, NW #500 > Washington DC 20036 > (202) 939-4762 > From EVeal at mail.ci.lubbock.tx.us Wed Jan 30 15:04:52 2002 From: EVeal at mail.ci.lubbock.tx.us (Ed Veal) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: Quick link drop-down menus Message-ID: I am interested in placing three quick link drop-down menus on our home page. One for other city services, one for library services and one for area links. I have found a good Javascript that I like. However, when I duplicate it, it stops working. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ed **************************************************************** Edward Veal (eveal@mail.ci.lubbock.tx.us) Library Computer Specialist / Web Master Lubbock City-County Library http://library.ci.lubbock.tx.us Mahon Library 1306 9th St. Lubbock, TX 79401 voice: 806-775-2849 fax: 806-775-2827 ******************************************************************* From smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Jan 30 15:20:56 2002 From: smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu (Samuel Mcdonald) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Quick link drop-down menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ed: Without code or a url it is hard to answer your question specifically, but I suspect that each of the forms or form portions or function names have names, which upon duplicating are no longer unique. Review the names, make sure that the they are unique and properly functionally relevant to each other, and see if that helps. -Sam On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ed Veal wrote: > I am interested in placing three quick link drop-down menus on our home > page. One for other city services, one for library services and one for > area links. I have found a good Javascript that I like. However, when I > duplicate it, it stops working. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Ed > > **************************************************************** > Edward Veal (eveal@mail.ci.lubbock.tx.us) > Library Computer Specialist / Web Master > Lubbock City-County Library > http://library.ci.lubbock.tx.us > Mahon Library > 1306 9th St. > Lubbock, TX 79401 > voice: 806-775-2849 > fax: 806-775-2827 > ******************************************************************* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Samuel J. McDonald smcdon@rci.rutgers.edu Webmaster http://www.libraries.rutgers.edu/ Rutgers University Libraries Voice (732) 932-7505 Alexander Library, 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1163 From aarnold at summitlibrary.org Wed Jan 30 15:24:42 2002 From: aarnold at summitlibrary.org (A. Arnold) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: web4lib postings? Message-ID: <3C58568A.52DF6949@summitlibrary.org> Can anyone give me an idea how many messages came across Web4Lib this last week? (how many Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...just ballpark numbers). I've received only 2 today, 1 yesterday, and 3 on Monday. I recently changed ISPs and I think the DNS problems the techies said were solved are still going on. Please reply to me privately. Thanks for the help. Alexandria Arnold Assistant Director Summit Free Public Library, NJ 908.277.9448 aarnold@summitlibrary.org From jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us Wed Jan 30 15:25:31 2002 From: jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us (Jeff Burns) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: Looking for Feedback Message-ID: Hello all, I'm hoping some of you will share your site statistics with me. I'm looking for data that shows what are the most common resources used on your website or from internal web pages within your institution. Thanks From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Wed Jan 30 16:01:56 2002 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Quick link drop-down menus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20020130155805.00c1de10@pop.cwru.edu> At 03:13 PM 1/30/2002, you wrote: >I am interested in placing three quick link drop-down menus on our home >page. One for other city services, one for library services and one for >area links. I have found a good Javascript that I like. However, when I >duplicate it, it stops working. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Ed There's a much easier way to do this. This form:
Points to this script on your server #!/usr/local/bin/perl print "Location: $FORM::URL\n\n"; You can customize the droplist for each page if you like, or you can make one list that is used by every page and pull it in via ssi. Keith D. Keith Higgs. Email: dkh2@po.cwru.edu, dkhiggs@yahoo.com Case Western Reserve University, Webmaster - University Library More Info: http://www.cwru.edu/UL/pershomepages/K_Higgs.html "'C' is for Cookie, that's good enough for me." From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Jan 30 17:42:42 2002 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web4lib postings? In-Reply-To: <3C58568A.52DF6949@summitlibrary.org> Message-ID: I guess it's time to send out a reminder that all of the postings to Web4Lib are available for browsing almost immediately at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive.html and searchable at that same location within an hour of their arrival in the archive. Knock yourself out. Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 12:29 PM, A. Arnold wrote: > Can anyone give me an idea how many messages came across Web4Lib this > last week? (how many Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...just ballpark > numbers). > > I've received only 2 today, 1 yesterday, and 3 on Monday. I recently > changed ISPs and I think the DNS problems the techies said were solved > are still going on. > > Please reply to me privately. Thanks for the help. > > Alexandria Arnold > Assistant Director > Summit Free Public Library, NJ > 908.277.9448 > aarnold@summitlibrary.org > From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Jan 30 20:10:19 2002 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Message-ID: <7220568966.20020130181019@riverofdata.com> I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic, so here goes. Like many of you, Boise State is very heavily dependent on web access for some 80 databases, thousands of ejournals, and so forth. Increasingly we've been getting clobbered by students in dorms and campus apartments using Kazaa (or KaZaA to be correct) and Morpheus and others of that ilk. (www.kazaa.com and www.musiccity.com for the uninitiated) (As one who's tried both, go with the latter for less crashing or locking up and more functionality) (or go to www.afternapster.com for info on over 100 such systems) At the moment the university has a 15MB connection to the net (10 T-1's worth of bandwidth). During all times from 10AM to 2AM the pipe is totally full. It is nearly full at the other hours. About half of the total traffic is from Kazaa. So far, for various political reasons, it has not been possible to get that traffic blocked. This is despite the fact that we have only 1100 of our 17,000 students living on campus. I don't want to embroil the rest of you in campus issues, but am wondering how others have dealt with this. Have you blocked the Kazaa traffic at all times, at certain times, or never? Have you limited the amount of bandwidth that you permit that traffic to use? Have you done something else? The campus IT guys would block it during daytimes and restrict it in evenings in an instant if they had permission from the highest levels. Their interest is as great as the library's, since they get calls complaining about the inaccessibility of internet resources from faculty and administrators as well. We "only" get them from library patrons who are trying to get a search done or an article downloaded so they can print and read it. Feel free to reply off list, and if I come up with a bunch of results, I'll provide a summary. I promise confidentiality if desired. We all have our politics and personalities, and I wouldn't want anyone to get in hot water by telling "the rest of the story". cheers, and thanks, dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! Be competitive, intense, and accountable. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Jan 30 20:28:22 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BBB3@mail1.morrisville.edu> SUNY Morrisville actually has 8 to 10 T-1 lines. There is at least one deidcated to the dorms. Two (or more) are dedicated to academic traffic (labs, calssrooms, library public computers), several for our laptop wireless users when in the dorms, one or two for faculty offices, one for administrative offices, and such. It seems to be working very well comapred to six months ago when we had two for the whole campus. Our president's philososphy is not to limit use but to buy more bandwidth. Evidently we are getting very good deals because of new state ocntracts with our provider. I think its AT&T but am not 100% sure. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Chair, SUNYLA Automation and Information Technology Committee Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From pdeane at rla.lib.il.us Wed Jan 30 21:43:41 2002 From: pdeane at rla.lib.il.us (Paul Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. In-Reply-To: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161BCCBF@PDCRLPL> Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC21616142ACE@PDCRLPL> We are having the same problem in public library. We are going to block both. Paul Deane Director Round Lake Area Library pdeane@rla.lib.il.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kazaa/Morpheus/et.al. I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic, so here goes. Like many of you, Boise State is very heavily dependent on web access for some 80 databases, thousands of ejournals, and so forth. Increasingly we've been getting clobbered by students in dorms and campus apartments using Kazaa (or KaZaA to be correct) and Morpheus and others of that ilk. (www.kazaa.com and www.musiccity.com for the uninitiated) (As one who's tried both, go with the latter for less crashing or locking up and more functionality) (or go to www.afternapster.com for info on over 100 such systems) At the moment the university has a 15MB connection to the net (10 T-1's worth of bandwidth). During all times from 10AM to 2AM the pipe is totally full. It is nearly full at the other hours. About half of the total traffic is from Kazaa. So far, for various political reasons, it has not been possible to get that traffic blocked. This is despite the fact that we have only 1100 of our 17,000 students living on campus. I don't want to embroil the rest of you in campus issues, but am wondering how others have dealt with this. Have you blocked the Kazaa traffic at all times, at certain times, or never? Have you limited the amount of bandwidth that you permit that traffic to use? Have you done something else? The campus IT guys would block it during daytimes and restrict it in evenings in an instant if they had permission from the highest levels. Their interest is as great as the library's, since they get calls complaining about the inaccessibility of internet resources from faculty and administrators as well. We "only" get them from library patrons who are trying to get a search done or an article downloaded so they can print and read it. Feel free to reply off list, and if I come up with a bunch of results, I'll provide a summary. I promise confidentiality if desired. We all have our politics and personalities, and I wouldn't want anyone to get in hot water by telling "the rest of the story". cheers, and thanks, dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! Be competitive, intense, and accountable. From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 30 22:01:56 2002 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Email Services In-Reply-To: <000201c1a4e3$76198540$14915fa5@tamut.edu> References: <000201c1a4e3$76198540$14915fa5@tamut.edu> Message-ID: At 6:29 AM -0800 24/1/02, Arthur Christy wrote: >we run Linux Sendmail with a webmail program. we like the cost!! FREE! >Works Great! Every student and employee has an email account. You can also run sendmail on the latest Macintosh operating system, MacOS X. It comes with it built in. Sendmail however is not for the faint hearted. There are a number of commercial and free servers for the Mac. I've been using EIMS (Eudora Internat Mail Server) from Qualcomm for some years now and have also used it to run lists via Autoshare (also free). It's very easy to configure and as it is scriptable via Applescript you can add your own bells and whistles if you wish. MacOS has the advantage that it is secure unlike certain other well know operating systems produced by a major vendor :-) Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au/people/tony/index.html From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 30 22:04:36 2002 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:37:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question on mouseovers In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124131427.00c66fe8@pop.cwru.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20020124131427.00c66fe8@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: At 10:20 AM -0800 24/1/02, Keith Higgs wrote: >Great, except it doesn't work in Mozilla or Netscape 6. And no doubt Opera, iCab, Wannabe or Ommniweb. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au/people/tony/index.html From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jan 1 08:10:01 2002 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:32 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jan 01 Message-ID: <200201011310.g01DA1614635@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS January 01, 2002 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listserv@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from the listserv reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." This message usually arrives within a few minutes, but may take a couple of hours if the server is busy; if you do not receive it in a reasonable time, you should contact the list owner, Roy Tennant, at rtennant@library.berkeley.edu. The listserv running Web4Lib is currently ListProc 6.0. This is a powerful and flexible program, and it may offer you options for management and receipt of Web4Lib that you did not know about. For further options, send listserv@webjunction.org the message "help", or consult the command reference at the Web4Lib Web site . WHAT HELP IS AVAILABLE IF THE LISTSERV WON'T DO WHAT I WANT? There are two common reasons why the commands above don't work and give you an error message. One is, ahem, operator error. If you're trying to unsubscribe or issue other listserv commands, make sure that you are spelling both the listserv address and the command correctly. The other common reason why unsubscribe and other commands fail is that your e-mail address has changed since you first subscribed to the list. Sometimes this is because you have chosen to forward mail from your original address to a new one. Sometimes this is due to your organization changing its entire e-mail addressing structure en masse (for example, from addresses like "chris@mailhost.domain.org" to "chris@domain.org"). For security reasons, listserv will only process commands affecting your subscription if the command is mailed from the same address as the original subscription request. If your address has changed, and you are still able to use the old address to send a message, use the old address to unsubscribe from the list and then subscribe from your new address. If (and only if) you have exhausted all the alternatives available at your end, you will need to send e-mail to the listowner, Roy Tennant, at rtennant@library.berkeley.edu. Please be patient: unlike the listserv, Roy is a human and spends several minutes each day doing things other than administering Web4Lib. WHERE ARE THE LIST'S ARCHIVES? WHERE IS ITS WEB SITE? Web4Lib's online home is . Much of the information in this message is based on material at that site. The Web4Lib archives, , provide keyword searching of every message posted to the list since the spring of 1995. The archive can also be browsed by date, subject, or author. WHAT TOPICS ARE USUALLY CONSIDERED ON- AND OFF-TOPIC? The offical posting policy is located at . Please read it. Web4Lib is usually an easy-going place, open to posts that may only be tangential to the core subject of the World Wide Web and libraries. There are some helpful guidelines for keeping Web4Lib productive, however: keep your posts concise and substantive; post when you have something to add, and not simply when you want to express agreement (or disagreement) with an earlier post; post when you have something to say to all of the several thousand subscribers, and not when your message is intended only for one or two individuals; and be civil. Those guidelines aside, some types of posting are always out of line. Advertisements are inappropriate, although you may certainly comment on the merits of a product within the context of a list discussion. Vendors may discuss their products in the same context. Personal attacks, insults, and name-calling may not be posted to the list. Material with copyright restrictions that disallow distribution on the list may not be posted; if you have permission to redistribute the material, you should say so in your post. Finally, virus warnings should NOT be posted to the list until and unless they have been confirmed by CERT or CIAC . Before forwarding a virus warning to anyone, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the history of virus hoaxes at . IS THERE A LIST FOR INTERNET FILTERING? The subject of filtering software for Internet access is not off topic for Web4Lib. However, it is a subject which is certainly capable of generating enough traffic for its own list, and that list is block-lib. For information on subscribing, please visit . This list will be distributed to Web4Lib on the 1st and 15th of each month with the subject "Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List". If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From scott at lights.com Sun Jan 6 07:39:26 2002 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:40 2005 Subject: Items for the "library news daily" weblog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you have an item of news which you think will be of interest to librarians around the world, feel free to post it to "library news daily" at: http://www.lights.com/scott/ Just follow the "post a news item" link. Items should be no more than 4 lines long, and should contain a link to a fuller version of the piece. I reserve the right to both edit for spelling, etc. and to decline inappropriate submissions. From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sun Jan 6 15:53:46 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:40 2005 Subject: ODBASE 2002 -- Call for Papers Message-ID: <3C38B95A.81BE19FB@cs.brown.edu> C A L L F O R P A P E R S ============================= International Conference on Ontology's, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics for Large Scale Information Systems (ODBASE) October 29 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/odbase/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press A key challenge in making the Internet and the Web a more friendly and productive place is to fill more meaning to the vast and continuously growing amount of data on the Net. This is a vision that is shared both by the Worl Wide Web community, incarnated by the notion of the ?Semantic Web? coined by Tim Berners Lee, and researchers from a number of areas including data and knowledge engineering, databases, intelligent agent systems, information retrieval, information sciences and linguistics. The claim is that the emergence of meaning that is associated with data and documents found on the Internet will boost diverse applications such as e-commerce, enterprise and information integration, knowledge engineering, geographic information systems, digital libraries, ubiquitous computing, and intelligent information access. Data semantics and ontologies for large-scale information systems have become an important topic in research communities across several displines, research funding agencies, as well as various industries. The international conference on Ontology's, DataBases, and Applications of Semantics intends to create a forum to exchange views, ideas and experiences on ontologies and data semantics from different disciplines. A goal of the ODBASE conference is to bring researchers from databases, Semantic Web, and knowledge management together to discuss specific problems and promising approaches to providing more meaning for the growing amount of data on the Internet and in ubiquitous computing. A unique character of the ODBASE conferences is its specialization on data semantic issues for very large ontology and Internet systems, and its strong emphasis on interdisciplinarity and practical applicability of systems, tools and methods for supporting semantics in large-scale information systems. The program committee of ODBASE 2002 consists of leading experts from diverse discplines including formal ontology, databases, geographic information systems, library science, logic, and knowledge management. We have special interest in papers that bridge traditionally separated areas such as databases, intelligent systems, and knowledge engineering, and papers that address issues of scalability in data semantics on the Internet and ubiquitous computing systems. ODBASE'02 is part of the Federated Symposium Event that is organized within the global theme "On the Move to Meaningful Internet Systems and Ubiquitous Computing 2002". This federated event co-locates three related and complementary successful conferences in the areas of Intelligent Networked Information Systems, covering key issues in Data and Web Semantics (ODBASE'02), Distributed Objects, Infrastructure and Enabling Technology and Internet Computing (DOA'02), and Workflow, Cooperation, and Interoperability (CoopIS'02), as required for the deployment of Internet- and Intranet-based systems in organizations and for e-business. More details about this federated event can be found at http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf. Areas of interest of ODBASE'02 include but are not limited to: * Representation and Storage: Information, Data and Knowledge Modeling Ontology Languages Hypertext and Hypermedia Semi-Structured Data Multimedia Data and Metadata Semantics of E-Services Management of Large Knowledge Repositories Management and Integration of Large Ontology Bases Metadata Repositories Semantic Middleware * Construction and Methodologies: Database Integration E-Service Integration Searching and Managing Dynamic Contents Data and Web Mining Intelligent Information Agents Information Retrieval Filtering and Summarization Multimedia Metadata Annotation Ontology Extraction and Learning Self-organization in Information Systems * Applications and Evaluation: Semantic Web Domain/Application Ontology Ontology of Information Processing Electronic Commerce Digital Libraries Media Archives Enterprise-wide Information Systems Web-based Information Systems Location-dependent information services Web Services and Service Interoperability Information Dissemination Ubiquitous and Mobile Information Systems IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 SUBMISSION GUIDELINES All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. Papers that bridge two or more areas should be marked as BRIDGE papers. They will be reviewed jointly by the appropriate PC sub-areas. All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Karl Aberer Ling Liu Robert A. Meersman LSIR (Distributed College of VUB (Vrije Information Systems Computing, Universiteit Laboratory) Georgia Tech Brussel) EPFL, CH-1015 801 Atlantic Dr. Department of Lausanne, Atlanta, GA Computer Science Switzerland 30332-0280, USA STARlab, Building karl.aberer@epfl.ch lingliu@cc.gatech.edu F-G/10 Pleinlaan 2 B-1050 Brussels Belgium meersman@vub.ac.be Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Organising Chair Douglas Schmit University of California, Irvine Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee Members (TBA) From ugur at cs.brown.edu Sun Jan 6 15:55:35 2002 From: ugur at cs.brown.edu (Ugur Cetintemel) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:40 2005 Subject: CoopIS 2002 - Call for Papers Message-ID: <3C38B9C7.348D009D@cs.brown.edu> C A L L F O R P A P E R S ============================= Tenth International Conference on Cooperative Information Systems (CoopIS 2002) October 30 - November 1, Irvine, California http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/coopis/2002 Proceedings to be published by IEEE Press The Cooperative Information System (CIS) paradigm has been growing and gaining substantial importance in technological infrastructure (e.g., middleware and Web technologies) and application areas (e.g., e-Commerce, e-Government, virtual enterprises). CoopIS is the leading conference for researchers and practitioners in CIS. CoopIS brings together researchers from a variety of disciplines such as collaborative work, Internet data management, electronic commerce, human-computer interaction, agent technologies, and software architectures. We encourage papers that emphasize cooperation across multiple areas. CoopIS 2002 is a joint event with two other conferences organized within the global theme "On the Move to meaningful Internet Systems 2002: Distributed Object and Applications (DOA) and Ontologies, Databases and Applications of Semantics (ODBASE). All three events will be hosted in Irvine during the week October 28 - November 1, 2002. More details about the federated event can be found at http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf. The CoopIS 2002 has the theme Cooperation in Ubiquitous Computing. We see an increasing number of computing systems and devices connected everywhere. The central issue in this vision is the need for these computing systems and devices to cooperate. We are particularly interested in contributions that relate to the issue of cooperation everywhere. Of course, submissions on all topics related to cooperative information systems are encouraged, including (but not limited to) the following: * Software and information services for CIS Web information systems and services Middleware technologies, mediators, and wrappers Interoperability, XML, semantic interoperability Multi-databases and workflow Mobile and wireless systems and protocols Ubiquitous computing environments and tools Human-Computer Interactions Security, privacy, trust, and quality of information * Agent technologies, systems and architectures for CIS Markets, auctions, exchanges, and coalitions Negotiation protocols, matchmaking, and brokering Multi-agents and agent societies Self-organizing systems, service description Learning, perception, and actions in agents Distributed problem solving, peer-to-peer cooperation * CIS applications and modeling E-commerce, e-government, supply chain Use of information in organizations Computer-supported cooperative work Enterprise knowledge management Data and knowledge modeling PAPER SUBMISSION GUIDELINES All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. All submissions must be in English. Research submissions must not exceed 8,000 words. Submissions can either be in Postscript, MS Word, or Pdf format and should be done through the following URL http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/fedconf/submit.html The final proceedings will be published by IEEE Press. Failure to commit to presentation at the conference automatically excludes a paper from the proceedings. IMPORTANT DATES Paper Submission Deadline: May 31, 2002 Acceptance Notification: July 15, 2002 Final Version Due: August 20, 2002 Conference: October 30 - November 1, 2002 ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE General Co-Chairs Robert Meersman Zahir Tari Mike Papazoglou STARLab RMIT University Tilburg University Free University of Department of Infolab Brussels Computer Science PO Box 90153 Building F-G 10, City Campus, GPO Box NL-5000 LE TILBURG Pleinlaan 2 2476V The Netherlands B-1050 Brussels Melbourne, VIC 3001 mikep@kub.nl Belgium Australia meersman@vub.ac.be zahirt@cs.rmit.edu.au Program Committee Co-Chairs Calton Pu Stefano Spaccapietra Georgia Tech EPFL USA Switzerland calton@cc.gatech.edu stefano.spaccapietra@epfl.ch Tutorial Chair Vipul Kashyap Telcordia, USA Panel Chair Amit Sheth University of Georgia, USA Organization Chair Douglas Schmidt DARPA and U. Irvine, USA Publicity Chair Ugur Cetintemel Department of Computer Science Brown University, USA ugur@cs.brown.edu Program Committee (TBA) From FEUCHTC001 at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jan 8 03:43:38 2002 From: FEUCHTC001 at hawaii.rr.com (Carl Feucht) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Hello, a .wm3 file? Message-ID: <001f01c19820$c3847da0$b4b20842@hawaii.rr.com> Greetings to the list! Might I come out of the shadows to inquire from those who might know what an .wm3 file extension is? My new faculty has just sent this to me and I have no clue. An extensive search on Google yielded only fruatration. Where might I download the required software to open this file? Thanks for any assistance given! Carl Feucht Candidate for the MLIS University of Hawaii-Manoa cafe@hawaii.rr.com From FEUCHTC001 at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jan 8 03:46:41 2002 From: FEUCHTC001 at hawaii.rr.com (Carl Feucht) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Hello, a .wm3 file? Message-ID: <000901c19820$fffc8840$b4b20842@hawaii.rr.com> Greetings to the list! Might I come out of the shadows to inquire from those who might know what an .wm3 file extension is? My faculty has just sent this to me, and I have no clue. An extensive search of Google yielded only frustration. Where might I download the required software to open this file? Thanks for any assistance given! Carl Feucht Candidate for the MLIS University of Hawaii-Manoa cafe@hawaii.rr.com From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Jan 8 09:12:50 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine Message-ID: <005001c1984e$8e6f1480$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Good Morning From D.C. Another crawled database is set to disappear from public view. ): Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search engine available to the public on January 16th. The NL Special Collection material (pay-per-view) articles will still be available to the public. A Bit of Good News ------------------------ NL's current news search (56 newswires) and search alerts will continue to be publicly available for free according to a NL spokesperson. >From the news release, http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?day0/220082145 or http://library.northernlight.com/FB20020108420000192.html "As of January 16, 2002, the company will no longer be providing free Web search capabilities to the general public. Northern Light's Special Collection(TM), an online business library of over 70 million pages of full-text, authoritative content from more than 7,100 sources, will continue to be offered to enterprise customers and to the public from Northern Light's Web site. Additionally, the company will offer Web searching to enterprise customers. Northern Light will continue to maintain and update its index of more than 350 million Web pages to provide enterprise customers with search of the Web using Northern Light's patented classification technology, and will continue offering custom Web searching for enterprise customers." cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu From dbell at loc.gov Tue Jan 8 11:15:18 2002 From: dbell at loc.gov (danna c. bell-russel) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Announcement of Addition of Ameritech Grant Winning Collections to American Memory Message-ID: <3C3B1B16.F690FDFC@loc.gov> With a gift from Ameritech in 1996, the Library of Congress sponsored a three-year competition ending in 1999 to enable public, research, and academic libraries, museums, historical societies, and archival institutions (except federal institutions) to create digital collections of primary resources. These digital collections will complement and enhance the collections of the National Digital Library Program at the Library of Congress. Three new collections have been added to the Ameritech collections currently available online. They are ?Chicago Anarchists on Trial: Evidence from the Haymarket Affair, 1886-1887", ?The Church in the Southern Black Community, 1780-1925? and ?Sunday School Books: Shaping the Values of Youth in the Nineteenth Century? Chicago Anarchists on Trial: Evidence from the Haymarket Affair, 1886-1887 showcases more than 3,800 images of original manuscripts, broadsides, photographs, prints and artifacts relating to the Haymarket Affair owned by the Chicago Historical Society (CHS). Specifically, the digital collection includes primary source materials pertaining to the May 4, 1886, meeting and bombing; to the trial, conviction, and subsequent appeals of those accused of inciting the bombing; to the execution of four of the convicted, and to the later pardon of the remaining defendants. Of special interest and significance are the two dozen images of three-dimensional artifacts in the collection including contemporary Chicago Police Department paraphernalia, labor banners, and an unexploded bomb casing given to juror J.H. Brayton by State's Attorney Julius Grinnell. The cornerstone of the collection is the presentation of the transcript of the proceedings from the murder trial of State of Illinois v. August Spies, et. al. The collection webpage can be viewed at . The Church in the Southern Black Community, 1780-1925 contains 137 texts, 100 of which were supported by the LC/Ameritech award. These printed texts, selected specifically from the libraries at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, are primarily books with a few pamphlets and journal articles. To these have been added a number of slave narratives. The collection traces how Southern African Americans experienced disenfranchisement, segregation, and bigotry. Also included are early twentieth?century assessments of black scholars on the Church's role in American history and society. This collection is a continuation of the work started with their previous Ameritech award winning collection ?First-Person Narratives of the American South, 1860-1920?. The collection home page for the Church in the Southern Black Community can be found at . Sunday School Books: Shaping the Values of Youth in the Nineteenth Century presents 163 Sunday school books published in America between 1815 and 1865, drawn from the collections of Michigan State University Libraries and the Clarke Historical Library at Central Michigan University Libraries. They document the culture of religious instruction of youth in America during the Antebellum era. They also illustrate a number of thematic divisions that preoccupied nineteenth-century America, including sacred and secular, natural and divine, civilized and savage, rural and industrial, adult and child. Among the topics featured are history, holidays, slavery, African Americans, Native Americans, travel and missionary accounts, death and dying, poverty, temperance, immigrants, and advice. This collection webpage can be found at . Those interested in learning about the Ameritech competition, the awards made in each of the three years that the competition ran, and the guidelines that were given to applicants can locate the information at the following url: . Please direct any questions to ndlpcoll@loc.gov. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Jan 8 12:50:35 2002 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Dreamweaver 4 beginning Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41BAE8@mail1.morrisville.edu> I asked before about using Dreamweaver to convert a site to using templates and other Dreamweaver features to maintain it. I got lots of encouragement but little in the way of concrete suggestions on how to proceed. At this very moment I just opened up huge package from Macromedia called the Web Design Studio 4. It includes Dreamweaver4, Flash5, Fireworks4, Freehand10, and HomeSite5. What is the best way to proceed? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jan 8 13:08:51 2002 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Virtual Reference Services Satellite Teleconference Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B56F2@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Please note: Registration form is for satellite downlink sites only. Individuals interested in participating in the teleconference should contact their local satellite teleconference providers directly (e.g., library systems, LIS schools, etc.) to see if they will be offering this program. Institutions interested in serving as satellite downlink sites please see the end of this note for registration information. -------------------------------- The College of DuPage will be producing a national satellite teleconference on virtual reference services. The two sessions will be Friday, February 8, 2002 and Friday, April 19, 2002 from noon to 2PM (Eastern Time). The programs will clarify the differences between traditional and virtual reference services and analyze the organizational impact that new services can have. They will analyze what works, what pitfalls to avoid, what new skills are required and what must be changed within your library to make virtual reference services work well: * Program I (February 8) will give an overview of the current state and variety of virtual reference services and their future directions. * Program II (April 19) will show how library practitioners are instituting virtual reference services, by showcasing successful implementations. This programs's goal is to give practical, realistic information to the working librarian and decision maker considering moving to virtual reference services. Current program plans include the following presenters, with more to be announced later: * Richard M. Dougherty (program host) * Paul J. Constantine (Cornell University) * Anne G. Lipow (Library Solutions Institute and Press) * Steve Coffman (Library Systems and Services, Inc.) * Bernie Sloan (University of Illinois) For more general information on the satellite teleconference, go to: http://www.cod.edu/teleconf/virtual/ For registration information for institutions interested in serving as satellite downlink sites, go to: http://www.cod.edu/teleconf/virtual/regsite.htm Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From brosen at unm.edu Tue Jan 8 03:10:29 2002 From: brosen at unm.edu (Barb Rosen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Announcing 2 Univ. of New Mexico IT job postings (fwd) Message-ID: <1134915080.1010452229@sr-208-0010.unm.edu> Dear colleagues, The purpose of this note is to inform you of two information technology jobs that are now available in my department, Library Information Technology (LIT) at the University of New Mexico General Library in Albuquerque, NM. Key areas of work include development of software, database and database-to-web services, system administration (including security) across multiple OS platforms (AIX, Linux, WinNT/2000). We are the IT organization for the leading academic research library in New Mexico and, as such, provide a large and growing number of online services to our communities and to other institutions in the state. In order to attract the widest possible pool of applicants, we are advertising the positions at 3 levels, Analyst/Programmer I, II and III. We have the option to hire each position at any of those levels, depending upon qualifications and experience. For those of you in the private sector, it's worthwhile to highlight differences between it and the university setting. There is a great deal of flexibility about work schedules and a much greater amount of vacation allowed (4 weeks/yr.) from the beginning, plus a paid holiday break from Christmas through New Year's. In addition, sick leave (96 hrs./yr.) applies to caring for your family as well as yourself. Education and training is supported with both money and released time. The work atmosphere is very informal and the work is often at the cutting edge of implementing new services and technologies. The benefit package is especially attractive compared to most private employment, including paid tuition for dependents, education for spouses and domestic partners, health, dental, disability, life & other insurance options, pension _and_ 403b (equiv. to 401k) retirement plans. Benefits for spouses and dependents are generally paid at the same percentages as those for employees. The postings are available online at these URLS: Analyst/programmer I: Analyst/programmer II: Analyst/programmer III: Applications are being accepted until February 4, 2002. UNM is a big place, with the attendant administrative complexity. DO NOT try to apply by responding to this e-mail. It is very important that you follow UNM's application process and apply _separately_ for each level for which you wish to be considered. For information, see "How to Apply for UNM Staff Jobs" . You ought to read "How to Interpret a UNM Job Vacancy Announcement" . As the postings mention, do feel free to contact me with questions regarding the postings. Thanks for your attention. -Aaron Ezekiel -- Aaron Ezekiel, Manager, Information Services Library Information Technology UNM General Library University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 email: aezekiel@unm.edu ph: 505-277-2588 WWW: http://eLibrary.unm.edu/ fax: 505-277-1788 From plum at ulink.net Tue Jan 8 15:31:31 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine In-Reply-To: <200201081600.IAA23363@webjunction.org> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 > From: "gary price" ... > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search > engine available to the public on January 16th. ... Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I want. Hotbot is my #3. Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable categories like NL? I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. From calumet at mindspring.com Tue Jan 8 15:43:46 2002 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108153952.00a51340@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:33 PM 1/8/2002, Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: >Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I >want. Hotbot is my #3. > >Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable >categories like NL? > >I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. Vivisimo does this. It's a meta-search engine. http://vivisimo.com/ Tara Tara Calishain / tara@researchbuzz.com ---- ResearchBuzz -- Search engine, database, and online collection news since 1998! http://www.researchbuzz.com From LDear at SpencerStuart.com Tue Jan 8 16:05:20 2002 From: LDear at SpencerStuart.com (Dear, Laura) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine Message-ID: <505421453FE0D311904E00D0B74437FE037B9E9F@CFOEXCHANGE> Vivisimo, a new meta-search engine returns results in clickable categories. The site is http://www.vivisimo.com. And here is a review on the engine from July. http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa070901c.htm Laura Dear Internet Knowledge Specialist Spencer Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Sosna Bohm [mailto:plum@ulink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 > From: "gary price" .. > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search > engine available to the public on January 16th. ... Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I want. Hotbot is my #3. Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable categories like NL? I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Jan 8 15:48:26 2002 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine References: Message-ID: <011d01c19885$d2f18340$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Nancy: You might want to take a look at Vivisimo. http://www.vivisimo.com It's a meta search (they prefer to be called a cluster engine) that places results into folders in a way similar to NL. Key differences: Vivisimo relies on the databases of other engines. NL compiles their own db. Vivisimo creates categories "on the fly" unlike NL which maps hits to their own hiearchy. http://vivisimo.com/html/faq.html#How_does_your_technology_differ_from_Northern_Li ght's Make sure to take a look at their robust "Advanced Search" interface. http://vivisimo.com/form?form=Advanced Also, you can use Vivisimo "on top of" a few other databases. http://vivisimo.com/html/demos/index.html Finally, if you're using IE with Java, note the preview option with each returned link. A click here allows you to view the actual page directly from the results list. Wisenut offers a similar option. cheers, gary Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting gprice@gwu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Sosna Bohm" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine | > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 | > From: "gary price" | .. | > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search | > engine available to the public on January 16th. ... | | | Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I | want. Hotbot is my #3. | | Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable | categories like NL? | | I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. | | From laura.fosbender at ucop.edu Tue Jan 8 17:30:37 2002 From: laura.fosbender at ucop.edu (Laura Fosbender) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Collection Management Initiative Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020108143015.030d3000@popserv.ucop.edu> University of California Collection Management Initiative ----------------------------------------- --- --- -- -- -- - - - As access to information in digital form has become widely accepted among scholars and ever more promoted by publishers, research libraries are facing new challenges in managing and preserving mixed print and electronic collections. These new challenges include: * Understanding the behavior and attitudes of users that affect acceptance of digital as a substitute for print journal publications. * Developing institutional strategies, policies and methods for acquiring, storing, and archiving journals in a mixed print/digital environment. * Documenting and planning for changes in demand and usage of digital and print journals when print is located in storage. The University of California, with the support of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, is addressing these challenges through the Collection Management Initiative, a two year University systemwide research project. From October 2001 through September 2002, about 300 print journals, for which electronic access and publisher data are available, have been temporarily removed from the shelves of the nine campuses of the UC system. These titles represent a variety of subject areas from fifteen leading publishers. During the course of the experiment, faculty and students will rely on the digital versions of these titles to meet their information needs. Persistent access to these materials will be ensured by depositing a print version in the University's regional library storage facilities. During the project, usage data will be gathered, and researcher experiences and preferences will be assessed. Each of the libraries withdrawing journals from the shelves has been paired with another library which is leaving journals on shelves and also recording use statistics. This strategy will provide comparative data to increase understanding of the experimental findings. The University will use what is learned to develop strategies, policies and programs for the future management of library collections consisting of both digital and print formats. If you are interested in learning more about the project, want a list of the publishers and titles being studied or want to follow our progress please visit out web site http://www.ucop.edu/cmi. We hope that you find the project of interest and welcome your comments. ----------------------------------------- --- --- -- -- -- - - - Laura Fosbender Administrative Specialist Collection Management Initiative Systemwide Library Planning University of California, Office of the President 1111 Franklin Street, 11th Floor Oakland, CA 94607-5200 Voice: 510-587-6140 Fax: 510-587-6401 Email: laura.fosbender@ucop.edu Web: http://www.ucop.edu/cmi From junus at MAIL.LIB.MSU.EDU Tue Jan 8 17:32:04 2002 From: junus at MAIL.LIB.MSU.EDU (Ranti Junus) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: web content management Message-ID: <34B8C200BD3C8D409A3F1DF08F9C95956C66EB@mail.lib.msu.edu> To All, I wonder if any of you are using/considering using web content management software? If yes, would you mind sharing your experiences here? I've been thinking about this option for quite sometime but am not really sure whether I should just go ahead or wait or even abandon the idea. I can see the benefits such as letting the "page creator" develop the content without changing the main look (template); any changes in content don't have to be done by the web team -- the content developer would be full responsible for this, etc. But I'd also like to hear any opinions such as price, technical and training issues, or any other issues regarding to using web-content management software. Thanks a lot. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823 http://www.lib.msu.edu From Steven.Cohen at rivkin.com Tue Jan 8 15:38:36 2002 From: Steven.Cohen at rivkin.com (Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine Message-ID: Nancy Sosna Bohm asked... >>>Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable >>>categories like NL? I am partial to Vivisimo (http://www.vivisimo.com), and Turbo 10 (http://www.turbo10.com) seems to cluster as well. The newer engines (Teoma, Wisenut) also provide possible subject folders, but, in this searchers opinion, not as well as Vivisomo and Turbo 10. Steven Cohen Rivkin Radler LLP EAB Plaza Uniondale, New York 11556 (516) 357-3455 steven.cohen@rivkin.com NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above.? This message may be an attorney/client communication and as such is privileged and confidential.? If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.? If you received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and delete the original message (including attachments). Nancy Sosna Bohm Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org 01/08/02 03:33 PM Please respond to plum To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 > From: "gary price" .. > Word this A.M. that Northern Light will stop making their free web search > engine available to the public on January 16th. ... Personally, I will miss my 'number 2' choice when Google doesn't find what I want. Hotbot is my #3. Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable categories like NL? I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From plum at ulink.net Wed Jan 9 00:44:06 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:43 2005 Subject: Northern Light To Stop Free Publicly Available Search Engine References: <011d01c19885$d2f18340$a1213d42@cox.rr.com> Message-ID: <004401c198d0$a9ddf600$ac0cced1@shapeshi> Thanks to all who replied. I will consider all suggested engines as possible replacements for NL in my search engine selector forms. ... > | Are there any other search engines that divide the results into clickable > | categories like NL? > | > | I'm on the digest, so I won't mind a "reply all" response. .... From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Jan 11 07:03:09 2002 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? or Goodgulf Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A546@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> For some reason, it reminds me of Goodgulf - the wizard. As in "Recalling Goodgulf's trusty weapon called by the Elves 'A Browning semi-automatic..." It has got to be Friday. Sorry if I drift off topic a bit. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com [SMTP:Steven.Cohen@rivkin.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Googol? Hi all, Have you guys seen this yet?=20 http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/3.html - Search 5 Years of Instant=20 Messenger Logs - "In November of 2001 AOL Time Warner, responding to a subp= oena from=20 Attorney General John Ashcroft, made available to the Justice Department a = complete archive of all private conversations held over AOL Instant=20 Messenger (AIM). Through the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)= , Googol was able to obtain a copy of this entire logfile, totaling over=20 2 terabytes of conversations previously thought to be private. This unique = resource provides insight into the minds of potential anti-American terrori= sts,=20 cheating spouses, and countless computer neophytes." http://aimsearch.hybernaut.com/aimsearch - The search engine is here http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23610.html - an article about the=20 whole thing. It would have been funnier if the results were not "canned" Steven Cohen Rivkin Radler LLP EAB Plaza Uniondale, New York 11556 (516) 357-3455 steven.cohen@rivkin.com NOTICE: The information contained in (and attached to) this e-mail is inten= ded=20 only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s)=20 named above.=A0 This message may be an attorney/client communication and as= =20 such is privileged and confidential.=A0 If the reader of this message is no= t=20 the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received=20 this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or = copying of this message is strictly prohibited.=A0 If you received this=20 communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, and=20 delete the original message (including attachments). ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Fri Jan 11 08:25:45 2002 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: Fw: Richardson to Be Presidential Scholar at LSSI Message-ID: <20020111132545.95225.qmail@earthlink.net> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR MORE INFORMATION: (310) 206-9393 10 January 2002 RICHARDSON TO BE PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR AT LSSI The Department of Information Studies in the Graduate School of Education and Information Studies at UCLA is pleased to announce that Dr. John V. Richardson Jr., Professor, will be a Presidential Scholar of Virtual Reference Services at Library Systems & Services L.L.C. in Germantown, Maryland during his sabbatical from January to September 2002. Dr. Richardson will be working on aspects of virtual question answering, notably the measurement and evaluation of virtual question answering, benchmark data, and statistical profiles. He hopes to complete his next book, Virtual Question Answering: Applications, Problems, and Progress. In addition, he will continue to edit the Library Quarterly. Dr Richardson will be working closely with the team of other well-known librarians and information professionals that make up the LSSI Virtual References Services Division including Arthur Brady, MLS and VP Virtual Reference Division, Steve Coffman, MLS and VP Product Development, Michelle Fiander, MLS, and Manager of the Web Reference Center; Kay Henshall, MLS and Head Trainer, Louise Stewart, MLS and Manger of Sales and nearly a dozen other MLS librarians in senior management, sales and web reference call center positions. Founded by library professionals 20 years ago, LSSI is the premier and most respected provider of professional library services. A strong advocate for libraries, LSSI sponsors both scholarships and awards. LSSI is on the World Wide Web at http://www.lssi.com as is Dr. Richardson at http: //purl.org/net/jrichardson. # U C L A -- -- From snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu Fri Jan 11 10:43:53 2002 From: snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: Circulating laptop computers Message-ID: The University of Oregon Libraries is looking at whether to make laptop computers available for checkout to students and faculty. I would be interested in hearing about other library's experiences with this. Possible questions include: Can laptops be checked out for use anywhere or is use limited to within the library? What software do you make available on the laptops? What procedures do you use to delete files, etc. left by patrons? Do you ghost a new image before each circulation? Where do the laptops circulate from: circulation desk, reserve desk, media desk? Who is responsible for routine and more advanced maintenace and troubleshooting? Have you had many problems with damage or loss? Do you require patrons to sign a statement accepting financial responsbility for the laptop? How has this service been received by your students and faculty? Thanks, Sara Sara Brownmiller University of Oregon Libraries Head, Systems Department 1299 University of Oregon Women's Studies Librarian Eugene, OR 97403-1299 541/346-2368 (voice) snb@darkwing.uoregon.edu 541/346-3485 (fax) From bishopk at rpi.edu Fri Jan 11 12:29:32 2002 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: IE's base font size upon install Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111122045.05959bd8@mail.rpi.edu> Can anyone affirm whether Internet Explorer, any version, installs itself with "medium" or "smaller" as its base font size? I would think it would be "medium," but I've heard stories similar to my own situation where, upon launch, everything is usually rendered as "smaller". Perhaps I adjusted the settings and closed it as "smaller" the first time I launched the app. and that changed the default settings? My concern is what might we expect from those who use IE and do not know how to adjust their font sizes ... at which font size are they most likely to see my web pages if they don't fiddle with their settings? Thanks. -kb _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From scp_sulli at sals.edu Fri Jan 11 12:43:32 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: IE's base font size upon install Message-ID: <020111124332.40a7@sals.edu> >Can anyone affirm whether Internet Explorer, any version, installs itself >with "medium" or "smaller" as its base font size? When installing under NT4/SP6a at 800x600, it defaults to medium and I then have to set it to smaller. I just did one at 1024x768 and it was still medium, which looked about the same as smaller at 800x600. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org Schenectady Digital History Archive http://www.schenectadyhistory.org From scp_sulli at sals.edu Fri Jan 11 12:48:42 2002 From: scp_sulli at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: Removal of "name" in XHTML 1.1 Message-ID: <020111124842.40a7@sals.edu> Since I converted the library site to CSS and XHTML 1.0 Transitional, I've been looking ahead to 1.0 Strict or 1.1. For backwards compatibility, I created my internal links using both the "name" and "id" attributes. I have read Netscape 4.x doesn't support id, and XHTML 1.1 dropped the deprecated name attribute, so where does that leave those of us who want to support older browsers? Is there a workaround or do we have to stay at XHTML 1.0? Thanks for any ideas. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu Fri Jan 11 13:05:22 2002 From: jsolomon at library.berkeley.edu (Jon Solomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE's base font size upon install In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111122045.05959bd8@mail.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020111100219.00afc5a0@library.berkeley.edu> in my latest versions of IE (5.5 and 6), the default font is always set to smallest, which is even worse in relation to your concerns. in fact, even if i close my browser (without shutting down), the font re-sets to smallest. the same is true if a new window is opened. i'd love to know how to fix this. -- jon At 09:35 AM 1/11/2002 -0800, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: >Can anyone affirm whether Internet Explorer, any version, installs itself >with "medium" or "smaller" as its base font size? > >I would think it would be "medium," but I've heard stories similar to my >own situation where, upon launch, everything is usually rendered as >"smaller". Perhaps I adjusted the settings and closed it as "smaller" the >first time I launched the app. and that changed the default settings? > >My concern is what might we expect from those who use IE and do not know >how to adjust their font sizes ... at which font size are they most likely >to see my web pages if they don't fiddle with their settings? > >Thanks. >-kb > > > >_________________________________________ >Kevin W. Bishop >Communication & Collaboration Technologies >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > | ___________________________ jon d. solomon technical services business & economics library haas school of business university of california, berkeley 510.643.6473 jsolomon@library.berkeley.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From ss3 at weber.ucsd.edu Fri Jan 11 13:31:39 2002 From: ss3 at weber.ucsd.edu (Jim Jacobs) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE's base font size upon install In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111122045.05959bd8@mail.rpi.edu> from "Kevin W. Bishop" at Jan 11, 2002 09:33:32 AM Message-ID: <200201111831.g0BIVdG28803@weber.ucsd.edu> > My concern is what might we expect from those who use IE and do not know > how to adjust their font sizes ... at which font size are they most likely > to see my web pages if they don't fiddle with their settings? > > Thanks. > -kb > Kevin W. Bishop I don't know about the IE base font question, but you might find these helpful: What Size is FONT SIZE? http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/design_no8.htm font galleries (screen shots of a Latin sentence taken from four browser/platform combinations: IE 5/Mac, Navigator 4.7/Mac, IE 5.5/PC, and Navigator 4.7/PC. Each font has examples of sizes specified in points, pixels, and basic HTML font tags to illustrate how font rendering characteristics can affect page appearance. http://developer.apple.com/internet/fonts/fonts_gallery.html font comparisons: http://www.wpdfd.com/wpdfonts.htm Give me Pixels (article) http://www.alistapart.com/stories/fear4/ --- Jim Jacobs, Data Services Librarian voice: (858) 534-1262 University of California, San Diego FAX: (858) 534-7548 9500 Gilman Drive Library 0175-R jajacobs@ucsd.edu La Jolla, CA 92093-0175 From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Fri Jan 11 14:16:59 2002 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Circulating laptop computers References: Message-ID: <3C3F3A2B.CF513661@cdrewu.edu> Sara Brownmiller wrote: > The University of Oregon Libraries is looking at whether to make laptop > computers available for checkout to students and faculty. I would be > interested in hearing about other library's experiences with this. > > Possible questions include: > > Can laptops be checked out for use anywhere or is use limited to within > the library? We check out laptops and LCD projectors (2 of each) to all of our registered users (Charles R. Drew University students, faculty and staff as well as King/Drew Medical Center staff) > > > What software do you make available on the laptops? Office 2000 (including Powerpoint, which is probably the most used) > > > What procedures do you use to delete files, etc. left by patrons? Do you > ghost a new image before each circulation? > > > Where do the laptops circulate from: circulation desk, reserve desk, media > desk? Circ Desk > > > Who is responsible for routine and more advanced maintenace and > troubleshooting? Me, mostly. :-) For the most part it's showing new users how to connect the projector to the laptop and get a display. Occasionally, I'm called out when Last year I took an (older) laptop to the service center and also a projector case to the luggage shop to be repaired. Other than that, we've had no major problems with the equipment > > > Have you had many problems with damage or loss? Out and out loss, no. Occasionally we get someone who keeps it out too long (overdue), in which case that user is suspended from using the equipment for three weeks. (That's our overdue policy with books as well, we don't charge fines). > > > Do you require patrons to sign a statement accepting financial > responsbility for the laptop? > Yes. > > How has this service been received by your students and faculty? The equipment is used at least several times a week, so I'd say it's been received very well. -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From vannoate at email.uncc.edu Fri Jan 11 15:49:04 2002 From: vannoate at email.uncc.edu (Van Noate, Judith) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: FW: Google name Message-ID: http://www.800-all-news.com/shows/16/2995?searchString=google The founders of Google discussed this in an interview with Charlie Rose (Airdate: 2001-07-26). They did name the search engine after the word for the number. I am not going to spend $35 to buy the transcript to prove it though. It was quite an interesting interview. Judith Van Noate J. Murrey Atkins Library, UNC Charlotte From d-kovacs at mail.wheaton.lib.il.us Fri Jan 11 10:39:24 2002 From: d-kovacs at mail.wheaton.lib.il.us (Dawn Kovacs) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: Trouble getting IRS forms Message-ID: <20020111212501480.AAA1244.656@wheaton> Hello, We're having trouble getting IRS forms from the IRS Web site on certain PCs. We can get to the IRS site fine, it's getting to the forms which are located at http://ftp.fedworld.gov that we have trouble with. On some PCs we have no trouble accessing the PDF forms, on others we get an error message that there is no DNS entry. Just typing in the URL for ftp.fedworld.gov returns the no DNS entry error, but on other PCs we get a full directory listing of the site. Our PCs are running Win95, Win98 and Win2000, along with Netscape 4.75 and MSIE 5.5. If it works in Netscape it will work in MSIE on the same PC, but if it does work with one it won't work with the other . Three of the computers having the problem are at our Reference Desk and they don't have any kind of security software installed. One of the Reference PCs works fine. Our Computer Lab has 9 PCs running W2K, PWB, and Deep Freeze. All were configured exactly the same. We can get to an IRS form just fine on one, but the one next to it says "No DNS Entry." There doesn't seem to be any kind of consistency regarding OS or browser. It either works or it doesn't. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Thanks for your help. Dawn Kovacs Wheaton Public Library Wheaton, Illinois From Infoadvis2 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 16:57:03 2002 From: Infoadvis2 at aol.com (Infoadvis2@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: Review of DayPop Weblog and News Search Engine Message-ID: <103.ef2da17.2970b9af@aol.com> (cross posted: apologies for any duplication) Greetings Information Professionals, Below is an excerpt from an article in the November 2001 issue of The Information Advisor, which examined the DayPop search engine for news and Weblogs, and compared it to our other favorite news search engine, Morevoer.com. If there are questions or comments, feel free to call or email me directly at rberkman@aol.com. The full article provides additional information on the use of Weblogs by serious researchers, and a table comparing the features of DayPop with Moreover.com (Other articles in the November 2001 issue include: A Table Comparing Features of Internet Discussion Group Monitoring Services; Best Sites for locating Official International Statistical Data; and How to Evaluate Personal and Anecdotal Information on the Web). Robert Berkman Editor The Information Advisor www.informationadvisor.com Falmouth MA 508-540-5185 rberkman@aol.com ************************************************************************ (Excerpt from the November, 2001 Information Advisor) DayPop, Web Logs, Bloggers-You Call This Serious News? DayPop (www.daypop.com) is a new search engine that allows you to search for current news and opinions, and it's giving our current favorite news aggregator, Moreover (www.moreover.com), a run for its money. Here's the lowdown on this intriguing news search engine, which was just launched this past August. DayPop is a news search engine with a twist. Its main distinction is that in addition to allowing you to search about 1,000 current Web-based news sources, DayPop also searches thousands of Web logs. Ultimately, we were impressed with this site not because it included Web logs but because of its outstanding design, speed, intelligent features, and very useful news search capabilities. Chan told us that he built his search engine from scratch using C and Perl, and in its look and features it actually reminded us quite a bit of Google. Like Google, DayPop has a sparse and lean look, which is a big plus. And, DayPop's search protocols are quite similar to Google, specifically: Multiple words default to AND Quotation marks are used for phrases A plus sign overrides stop words Keywords are returned in context and in boldface Each indexed page is cached Advanced searching allows limits by language and country Results are returned in order of relevancy. The only features we didn't find in DayPop that would be useful are the ability to use an OR operator, stemming, and limiting keywords to a title field. Bottom line-has DayPop replaced Moreover as our favorite news aggregator? Well, what we liked about Moreover was its timeliness, coverage of top quality sources, value for information professionals, and speed. The same goes for DayPop. We performed some test searches comparing the two head to head, on both general and business news items. Both performed admirably in quickly returning relevant articles from top-quality news sources (ranging from The Washington Post and The Dallas Morning News to MSNBC, Fortune, Business Week, Chicago Tribune, and Pravda). We'd recommend both services, but be aware that each offers certain advantages over the other. In Moreover's favor is the ability to use Boolean operators, which can be quite important for certain searches. We also like the fact that it groups its sources into categories so you can view all its sources. As for DayPop, we like date restrictions, the cached pages, and language/country limits. And then, of course, there are those intriguing Web logs (which you can search separately or at the same time as general news sources). Also, DayPop does not restrict you to a maximum of 20 returned pages, as Moreover does. So, bottom line: we now have two favorite current news search engines: Moreover and DayPop. ****************************************************************************** * The Information Advisor, (http://www.informationadvisor.com) is an international monthly journal founded in 1987, is a guide for information professionals who rely on its articles to help them identify, compare, and select the best business sources from the myriad of information products and services available, whether in print, on a professional database or on the Web. Readers include business librarians, information brokers, market researchers, knowledge managers, competitive intelligence professionals and other hands-on researchers and information specialists. The November issue is available to non-subscribers for $20. Contact Ms. Sonia Bedikian at (212) 633-4539 or at sbedikian@ findsvp.com for further details. Also published by The Information Advisor is the "Best of the Business Web" E-letter, a free monthly e-mail alert identifying the five best business research sites found by the editor every month. To sign up, visit: www.bestbizweb.com. The Information Advisor is published by FIND/SVP, Inc. the global business advisory, research, and consulting firm (www.findsvp.com) From dbarclay at library.tmc.edu Fri Jan 11 17:24:56 2002 From: dbarclay at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: DSL Woes Message-ID: We have been getting scattered reports that DSL users cannot access our library webpages (www.library.tmc.edu). At first the reports came exclusively from users (including two of our librarians) of Southwestern Bell DSL, but today we got a report from someone using RoadRunner DSL. Does anyone know of any reason why webpages that are otherwise completely accessible cannot be accessed by users of DSL? We tried to contact Southwestern Bell DSL about this problem, but they won't respond to their own customers, much less us. One far-out thought we had was this: The numerical IP of our main webserver is 192.68.30.200. Numerical IPs that begin with 192.68.*.* can be used for private networks. Could the DSL providers be blocking IPs that start with "192.68" in the belief that they are protecting private networks? Interestingly, one of our DSL-using librarians reports that another website she cannot hit using DSL is www.sun.com, and the numerical address of this site begins with "192" (though the second part of the address is not "68"). Any ideas will be much appreciated. Donald A. Barclay Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics Houston Academy of Medicine-- Texas Medical Center Library dbarclay@library.tmc.edu 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings From eric at openly.com Fri Jan 11 17:46:09 2002 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DSL Woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it's 192.168.x.x that is reserved for private networks- but your hypothesis struck me as being not impossible I assume your users have tried accessing the site as http://192.68.30.200/ ?? At 2:25 PM -0800 1/11/02, Donald Barclay wrote: >We have been getting scattered reports that DSL users cannot access our >library webpages (www.library.tmc.edu). At first the reports came >exclusively from users (including two of our librarians) of Southwestern >Bell DSL, but today we got a report from someone using RoadRunner DSL. Does >anyone know of any reason why webpages that are otherwise completely >accessible cannot be accessed by users of DSL? > >We tried to contact Southwestern Bell DSL about this problem, but they won't >respond to their own customers, much less us. > >One far-out thought we had was this: The numerical IP of our main webserver >is 192.68.30.200. Numerical IPs that begin with 192.68.*.* can be used for >private networks. Could the DSL providers be blocking IPs that start with >"192.68" in the belief that they are protecting private networks? >Interestingly, one of our DSL-using librarians reports that another website >she cannot hit using DSL is www.sun.com, and the numerical address of this >site begins with "192" (though the second part of the address is not "68"). > >Any ideas will be much appreciated. > >Donald A. Barclay -- Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything http://my.linkbaton.com/ Links that Learn please visit us at Midwinter ALA! From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Fri Jan 11 17:56:22 2002 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Trouble getting IRS forms References: <20020111212501480.AAA1244.656@wheaton> Message-ID: <3C3F6D96.95002BA@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We also had problems, but different types of problems. We have our the proxy server settings on our profiles for x.x.x.x with an exceptions list for certain databases. This keeps the public from using the computers as open Internet machines. When we added ftp services to the exceptions list, we disabled the intranet so those computers wanting to access our local library catalog could not do so. We had to move access to the open Internet computers and those PCs are the only PCs that can access tax forms from that site. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Dawn Kovacs wrote: > > Hello, > > We're having trouble getting IRS forms from the IRS Web site on > certain PCs. We can get to the IRS site fine, it's getting to the > forms which are located at http://ftp.fedworld.gov that we have > trouble with. On some PCs we have no trouble accessing the PDF > forms, on others we get an error message that there is no DNS entry. > Just typing in the URL for ftp.fedworld.gov returns the no DNS entry > error, but on other PCs we get a full directory listing of the site. > > Our PCs are running Win95, Win98 and Win2000, along > with Netscape 4.75 and MSIE 5.5. If it works in Netscape it will > work in MSIE on the same PC, but if it does work with one it won't > work with the other . Three of the computers having the problem are > at our Reference Desk and they don't have any kind of security > software installed. One of the Reference PCs works fine. Our > Computer Lab has 9 PCs running W2K, PWB, and Deep Freeze. All were > configured exactly the same. We can get to an IRS form just fine on > one, but the one next to it says "No DNS Entry." > > There doesn't seem to be any kind of consistency regarding OS or > browser. It either works or it doesn't. Does anyone have any > idea what might be causing this? > > Thanks for your help. > > Dawn Kovacs > Wheaton Public Library > Wheaton, Illinois From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Jan 11 20:17:14 2002 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DSL Woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <034c01c19b06$deb16000$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Re www.sun.com : the IPs I located don't match this theory. However, if you're on a hunt (and it's an interesting theory worth pursuing), keep in mind that the three ranges for private networks are: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 for all you know, some dim bulb at SBC has blocked 192.68.*.* believing that it was the private network range. Or keyed something wrong and went home. Happy hunting... $ dig www.sun.com ; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> www.sun.com ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 5 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; www.sun.com, type = A, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.sun.com. 21h39m9s IN A 192.18.97.241 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns-brm.sun.com. sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns.usec.sun.com. sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns1.eu.sun.com. sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns1.pr.sun.com. sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns.sun.com. sun.com. 7h22m58s IN NS ns-os.sun.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns-brm.sun.com. 22h18m32s IN A 192.18.99.5 ns.usec.sun.com. 7h16m33s IN A 192.9.48.3 ns1.eu.sun.com. 1h24m50s IN A 192.18.240.8 ns1.pr.sun.com. 20h50m38s IN A 192.18.16.2 ns-os.sun.com. 18h56m19s IN A 192.9.9.6 ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet LII New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw LII: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From rich at richardwiggins.com Fri Jan 11 21:00:56 2002 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DSL Woes Message-ID: <20020112020056.18189.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> As Karen and another observed, it's 192.168.x.x, not 192.68.x.x, so unless a) DSL providers have done something bizarre and b) they did it with a typo, the theory seems unlikely. If you can get some of the scattered reporters to do some testing with you, have them do a ping or a traceroute to your server from their PC. This should not be hard to diagnose if you have one cooperative victim. Without specifics as to the mode of failure, everything is speculative. /rich On Fri, 11 January 2002, "Donald Barclay" wrote: > > We have been getting scattered reports that DSL users cannot access our > library webpages (www.library.tmc.edu). At first the reports came > exclusively from users (including two of our librarians) of Southwestern > Bell DSL, but today we got a report from someone using RoadRunner DSL. Does > anyone know of any reason why webpages that are otherwise completely > accessible cannot be accessed by users of DSL? > > We tried to contact Southwestern Bell DSL about this problem, but they won't > respond to their own customers, much less us. > > One far-out thought we had was this: The numerical IP of our main webserver > is 192.68.30.200. Numerical IPs that begin with 192.68.*.* can be used for > private networks. Could the DSL providers be blocking IPs that start with > "192.68" in the belief that they are protecting private networks? > Interestingly, one of our DSL-using librarians reports that another website > she cannot hit using DSL is www.sun.com, and the numerical address of this > site begins with "192" (though the second part of the address is not "68"). > > Any ideas will be much appreciated. > > Donald A. Barclay > Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics > Houston Academy of Medicine-- > Texas Medical Center Library > dbarclay@library.tmc.edu > 713.799.7120 > > always the beautiful answer > who asks a more beautiful question > --e.e. cummings Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From Michel.Fingerhut at ircam.fr Mon Jan 14 09:14:24 2002 From: Michel.Fingerhut at ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:25 2005 Subject: Call for papers: ISMIR 2002 - 3rd Int'l Conf. on Music Information Retrieval Message-ID: <00c801c19d05$c4db0590$03c06681@weill> [This CFP is crossposted to several mailing lists. Apologies for duplicate reception] ISMIR 2002 - 3rd International Conference on Music Information Retrieval http://ismir2002.ircam.fr/ October 13-17, 2002 Ircam - Centre Pompidou, Paris, France Call for Papers, Posters, Tutorials, Panels and Exhibits The annual ISMIR Conference is the first established international forum for those involved in the tremendous growth of music-related contents available digitally, locally or remotely, through networks. This area presents vast challenges for those who need to organize and structure, provide tools to search and retrieve, and use them efficiently: music representation, when it exists, is multi-dimensional and time-dependent; audio instantiations are voluminous objects requiring particular care for storage and transmission while preserving quality; descriptive information about what is musically significant addresses a large spectrum of internal and external characteristics, from acoustic to musicological ones; intellectual property rights about what can be made available and how are complex, involve a variety of individuals and organizations, and vary from country to country. All of these concerns are of interest to education, academia, entertainment and industry. This conference thus aims at providing a place for the exchange of news, issues and results, by bringing together researchers and developers, educators and librarians, students and professional users, working in fields that may contribute significantly to this multidisciplinary domain, by presenting original theoretical or practical work in peer-reviewed contributions (papers, posters), serve as a discussion forum (panels), provide in-depth information in specific domains (tutorials), and show current products (exhibit). Detailed information about the conference and its organization is available on its Web site (http://ismir2002.ircam.fr/). Domains and Topics of Interest ============================== ISMIR 2002 solicits original contributions in the following domains (this is a non-exclusive list), as they apply to music information retrieval: * Algorithms and methods for classification, clustering, probabilistic modelling, association analysis * Artificial intelligence * Data mining * Expert systems * Formal models of music * Knowledge representation, discovery and acquisition * Machine learning * Pattern recognition * Perception and cognition * Soft computing (neural networks, fuzzy systems, evolutionary computation) Typical topics of interest, inasmuch as they relate to music information retrieval, are: * Formal models of music and their digital representations * Music digital libraries (design, use) * Music indexing and metadata (authoring and generation) * Music recognition (printed, audio) * Music representation, coding, language modelling * Musical styles and genres * Music similarity metrics (perceptual criteria such as pitch, rhythm, timbre; musical criteria such as form, genre, etc.) * Query languages for music IR (expressiveness, complexity) * Routing and filtering for music and music queries * Standards (metadata schema, XML, MPEG, Dublin Core, *MARC, Z39.50...) and other metadata or protocols for music information retrieval (CDDB, ...) * User interfaces * Socio-cultural aspects * Systems issues (performance, compression, scalability, databases, architecture, distributed search, multi-agent systems, mobile applications) * Validation (user needs and expectations, evaluation of music IR systems, building test collections, experimental design and metrics) * Intellectual property rights issues (nationally and internationally) * Business models and experience General information on the conference is available on its Web site (http://ismir2002.ircam.fr/) and will be regularly posted in the music-ir mailing list (information on subscription available on the conference site). General information for submissions =================================== * Submissions should be formatted according to the provided template (http://ismir2002.ircam.fr/TemplateA4.doc). * Submissions should be sent electronically in Word or PDF to the appropriate email address before the specified deadline (see below). * All submissions will be peer-reviewed. Papers ====== Authors are invited to submit papers, which they will present in 30-minute sessions (20 minutes for presentation, 10 for Q&A). * Papers should not exceed 3000 - 5000 words (approximately 10 pages). * Papers should include 150-200 words abstract. * Submission must consist of original contributions (not previously published, and not currently being considered for publication elsewhere). * Papers will be peer-reviewed. * Submissions must be received by April 19, 2002. * To submit, send your paper via email (ismir-papers@ircam.fr). In the event there are more excellent papers than can fit into the conference program, we may request some paper submissions become poster sessions Poster Sessions =============== Poster sessions will consist of printed posters - exact sizes to be announced - available throughout the conference in a nearby space. * Submission should consist of an extended abstract 750 -1,000 words (2 pages maximum, including references, to be included in conference proceedings) * Internet connection will be provided for each poster session * You are encouraged to bring a laptop computer * Submissions must be received by April 19, 2002 * To submit, send your poster proposal via email (ismir-posters@ircam.fr). Tutorials ========= The first afternoon of the conference (10/13/2002) will consist of tutorials covering a single topic in detail, lasting 3 hours (plus a break). * Submissions should consist of a 3-5 page abstract including: 1. Biography of the presenter(s) 2. The objectives 3. An outline 4. Course material * Submissions should specify the intended audience and its expected level. * Submissions must be received by February 18, 2002. * To submit, send your tutorial proposal via email (ismir-tutorials@ircam.fr). Panels ====== The last morning of the conference (10/17/2002) will consist of panels meant to foster discussion on a specific topic of interest to the community, as well as real-world implementations and experience reports. * Submissions should consist of a 1-2 page abstract including: 1. Biography of the moderator. 2. The topic and issues to be discussed. 3. The intended and expected audience. * Submissions must be received by February 18, 2002. * To submit, send your panel proposal via email (ismir-panels@ircam.fr). Exhibits ======== Throughout ISMIR 2002, space will be available for publishers, booksellers, software and systems sellers and other companies interested in exhibiting their products. * Deadline for full applications is September 30, 2002. * Interested exhibitors should request information and/or apply via email (ismir-exhibits@ircam.fr) . From info at galwaylibrary.ie Mon Jan 14 10:29:25 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:25 2005 Subject: Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a window's size to fit a document? Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A99845@galway-primary> Hi, I am using JavaScript to open a small window to display a document. The document is not large? I want the window to be sufficiently large to contain the document; no bigger or no smaller. Is there any means of opening a window of the required size? I am aware the document will be of a different size in different browsers. I am familiar with ASP and JavaScript. Just in case there is something I have overlooked, I thought I would email the list. Thanks in anticipation. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Mon Jan 14 10:44:50 2002 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:25 2005 Subject: Customizable library portals--recent experiences? Message-ID: If you have any recent experiences with customizable library portals--using them, setting them up, seeing how they've been used--I'd love to get your comments. ("Recent experience" probably means anything more recent than the landmark Information Technology and Libraries article cluster in December 2000. "Customizable library portals," if you're unclear about the term, are services like MyLibrary@NCState and My Gateway at the University of Washngton.) 1. Any *quick* comments--ones that reach me by the end of the day on Thursday, January 17--would help me participate semi-intelligently in the MARS Hot Topics Discussion Group session at Midwinter (Saturday, 11:30-12:30, Fairmont Hotel, Explorer's Room). 2. Any comments that reach me by the following Thursday (January 24) might be useful in a possible "Crawford Files" column for American Libraries. (If you'd rather not be quoted by name, please indicate that.) Thanks for whatever help you can provide! -walt crawford, wcc@notes.rlg.org From missplumeau at earthlink.net Mon Jan 14 10:57:39 2002 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Can JavaScript or ASP be used to adjust a window's size to fit a Message-ID: Here you go, just replace the name of the page, the link, the values "yes" "no" and most of all the measurement. Hope this helps the link to the page you want to open H?l?ne Bardinet Webmestre www.helenebardinet.com missplumeau@earthlink.net (860)227 6760 www.hchlibrary.org www.scrantonlibrary.com www.tpherbs.com www.seniortechllc.com www.ecsenior.org Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From ESUTTERLIN at crs.loc.gov Mon Jan 14 11:04:29 2002 From: ESUTTERLIN at crs.loc.gov (Edith Sutterlin) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: Goodbye. Message-ID: I was only on this list for a few months, but appreciated learning from the postings. Unfortunately, my attempt to share collegially was looked on with mixed thoughts by my supervisors, as I have worked in a government library, and was asked after that occasion not to post further. I am in the process of moving to the Pittsburgh, PA, area, so will be looking for a new job there in about a month or two. Thanks for those of you who shared so generously with librarian and information specialist colleagues. Edith Sutterlin Edith Sutterlin 202-707-8710 until Jan. 23 or maybe the 30th. Senior Information Resources Librarian- Office of Information Resources Management Congressional Research Service Library of Congress From JillD at ci.tigard.or.us Mon Jan 14 11:23:27 2002 From: JillD at ci.tigard.or.us (Jill Donnelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] profile on Win2000 Message-ID: We are just now implementing new workstations with Windows 2000, using the restricted user setting users can't do much of anything. I feel fairly safe. It's an IP only box but even if it wasn't, that profile doesn't have rights to do anything. We will be using Deep Freeze by the people who make WinSelect so that any changes or additions will be wiped out at each reboot. I played around with Public Web Browser, it is very cool, but the things I was trying to do, in the end I feel the Win2K profile/Deep Freeze combo take care of anyway, so for now, I'm not using it. We shall see. I am looking forward to getting them out so that I can see how it goes. I'm also looking forward to not using WinSelect any longer. (I still need to respond about the CD-R question I asked a week or so ago, it's coming) >>> Isabel Danforth 01/12/02 08:54AM >>> We have had problems using WinSelect on our latest Win2000 work stations. It does not like to display printers in Netscape or deal with pdf files in Netscape 4.08 either. has anyone out there managed to come up with security settings for Win2000 that will secure public computers without using external software such as WinSelect? Our general goals are to keep people from the Network neighborhood and to prevent them from installing software or 'destroying' the computer that they are using. Any hints would be appreciated. Isabel From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Mon Jan 14 12:43:54 2002 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: html editor editing Message-ID: Perhaps I'm not understanding the question, but the Find/Replace in DW4 allows one to choose to replace Source Code, Specific Tag, or Text. You can also choose to replace in a single document, multiple documents, or across the entire site. I also use Arachnophilia as a backup. Ian Chan Librarian Seattle Central Community College 206.587.6336 seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan/ dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ -----Original Message----- From: Karen G. Schneider [mailto:kgs@bluehighways.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: html editor editing Dreamweaver is now bundled with Homesite, which (at least in version 4.5.2) supports this feature. As Isabel noted, you can set Dreamweaver to launch any external editor.... so if you find a good freebie you can remain in the Dreamweaver environment and launch your other editor as needed. } >Cute HTML allows edit/replace all in selected text. Dreamweaver does not } >seem to have this feature. But Cute doesn't have 2 synchronized views to } >allow easy location of area to be edited. What's a Web editor to do? Use ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet LII New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw LII: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu Mon Jan 14 14:48:07 2002 From: Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu (Jamane Yeager) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: Computers in Libraries conference Message-ID: Looking for roomate to share room and maybe explore some of the sights of Washington, DC. Smithsonian,etc. Looking at hotels either across from Hilton, or up the street from Hilton. Please reply to my email address. Thanks in advance. Oops! forgot something (female)only. ---------------------------------------- Jamane Yeager Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian Elon University (336) 278-6576 From taftc at lindahall.org Mon Jan 14 15:09:05 2002 From: taftc at lindahall.org (Christine Taft) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114140755.023e9a70@lindahall.org> INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TECHNOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES CONFERENCE Kansas City, Missouri, June 2-6, 2002 CALL FOR PAPERS AND POSTERS DEADLINE for contributed papers and posters FOR IATUL 2002 has been extended to January 31, 2002. If you have a fascinating new project or have heard of a new approach to one of our intractable challenges, consider submitting a paper or poster for the IATUL 2002 Conference. This year the prize for the best contributed paper will be $600 and a $400 prize for the second best paper presented. Prizes are also available for high quality poster presentations. Topics range from publishers, publishing and libraries to international resource sharing. Find details at www.lindahall.org/iatul2002/ or use the registration form found inside your IATUL 2002 Conference brochure. For information contact, Paula Ohlde, at ohldep@lindahall.org We look forward to seeing you in Kansas City! Christine Ernst Taft Head of Reference Linda Hall Library of Science, Engineering & Technology 5109 Cherry St., Kansas City, Mo 64110 (816) 926-8778, 1-800-662-1545 x778 taftc@lindahall.org FAX (816) 926-8782 http://www.lindahall.org From lytlea at oclc.org Mon Jan 14 16:00:18 2002 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: Announcement: OCLC Institute Spring Seminar Schedule Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC537EC87@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate.] The OCLC Institute is pleased to announce our Spring, 2002 seminar and special event schedule. Complete details for the seminars listed below are available on the Institute Web site at http://www.oclc.org/institute. If you are attending ALA Midwinter, we invite you to visit the OCLC booth to discuss our professional development opportunities. April 22-24 Knowledge Management: Methods & Systems Hosted by the University of Nevada Las Vegas. The OCLC Institute's Director Emeritus, Martin Dillon, presents this seminar, designed to explore the background, motivations and definitions of knowledge management and the intersection of this management trend with the Web revolution and digital knowledge resources. The focus will be on threats and opportunities for libraries. Topics include components and characteristics of knowledge management, system fundamentals, functional requirements and system performance. A hands-on guided lab provides participants with practice in creating a knowledge management system. Early-Bird Registration Deadline: March 1. Cost: $400 for OCLC Members, $450 for non-members. April 25-26 Planning in a Time of Rapid Technological Change Sponsored by PALINET and OHIONET. Join your colleagues at Oglebay Resort in Wheeling, WV to explore planning techniques for a rapidly shifting technological environment. David Penniman, Dean, School of Informatics, University at Buffalo and Keith Russell, Coordinator of Employee Development, University of Kansas provide a planning approach that involves both top-down development and bottom-up assessment. The course includes both lecture and hands-on sessions to help you find ways to manage change, not react to it. Early-Bird Registration Deadline: March 1. Cost: $400 for OCLC Members, $450 for non-members. May 20-22 Creating a New Reference Librarianship Hosted by the University of Nevada Las Vegas. Designed especially for reference and public service librarians at all levels, this seminar will help you take a more active role in creating a new reference librarianship...in your own career, work unit, library or larger spheres of influence and concern. This intensive seminar includes provocative lectures, facilitated group discussions, lectures and hands-on laboratory sessions. You will be challenged to ask the difficult questions, gain experience with new technology applications and create an action plan for change. Martin Dillon, Director Emeritus of the OCLC Institute presents this seminar. Early-Bird Registration Deadline: April 5. Cost: $400 OCLC Members, $450 for non-members. Steering by Standards Videoconference Series http://www.oclc.org/institute/events/sbs.htm This series of 3 satellite videoconferences addresses standards that will significantly impact librarians and other information professionals. Presentations by standards experts and local practitioners, debate among the speakers and audience-driven question-and-answer sessions will provide practical insight into these global initiatives, helping library leaders decide more quickly and effectively how to respond locally to these emerging standards. The series includes: "A New Harvest: Revealing Hidden Resources with the Open Archives Metadata Harvesting Protocol," March 26, 2002. Host: Lorcan Dempsey, Vice President, OCLC Office of Research, featuring Herbert Van de Sompel, Director, e-Strategy and Programmes, British Library. "The OAIS Imperative: Enduring Record or Digital Dust?" April 19, 2002. Host: Meg Bellinger, Vice President, Digital & Preservation Resources, featuring Donald Sawyer, Lead, Science Office of Standards and Technology, NASA. "Paper Past, Digital Future: Managing Metadata Standards in Transition," May 29, 2002. Host: Gary Houk, Vice President, OCLC Services, featuring Barbara Tillett, Director, Integrated Library System Program Office, Library of Congress. For further details, including registration forms for all events as well as content information costs for the "Steering by Standards" videoconference series, please see http://www.oclc.org/institute or contact Amy Lytle, Event Coordinator, at mailto:lytlea@oclc.org or (800) 848-5878 x 5212. Thank you. . ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us Mon Jan 14 17:59:48 2002 From: catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us (Catherine Buck Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: Experience with Matrix screens? Message-ID: <3C4362E4.4090604@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> We have installed Gateway Profile 3s in our new training center. They have the 15.0" XGA TFT Active Matrix screens. We've been concerned about the users' treatment of these screens. As I'm sure you've noticed, people touch their monitor screens all the time (!), some more than others. It's esp. frustrating when there are extra oils on the hands from lotions. Not only that, but I've even removed ink from screens. For now, we've left the protective shield over the screens (applied for protection during shipping). There's some glare, but not too much. My question is, are we being too cautious? How much "abuse" can these screens take? Any other helpful hints? TIA, --Catherine. -- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8651 Fax 803.734.4757 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. From plum at ulink.net Tue Jan 15 01:05:27 2002 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:26 2005 Subject: html editor editing & good luck to Edith References: <200201142014.MAA24903@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <004801c19d8a$a2395ac0$bf0cced1@shapeshi> Re: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2496 > Perhaps I'm not understanding the question, but the Find/Replace in DW4 > allows one to choose to replace Source Code, Specific Tag, or Text. > You can also choose to replace in a single document, multiple documents, or > across the entire site. --But you cannot replace all occurances in a section of a document. Cute and BBedit do this, but not with WYSIWYG. Maybe it's a programming issue that prevents having both features in one program. Thanks to all who replied, and good luck to Edith. From moreira at unb.br Mon Jan 21 07:00:23 2002 From: moreira at unb.br (Jose de Albuquerque Moreira) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TopicMap Feature in HighWire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201211200.g0LC0N642851@mailhub.unb.br> Greetings! I need to inform to all, the following one: So that the initiative of company INXIGTH has greater value, I advise to a consultation the page: http://www.udcc.org/mrf.htm. Is about the Universal Decimal Classification - UDC.The structure of scientific, cultural, artistic and technological knowledge. An initiative of Paul Otlet and Henry La Fontaine, since 188?. I think that TopicMap, must call UDC-TopicMap. The Universal Collective Initiatives are recommended! They accept my emotions, between brothers! Happinesses to the all! The World is one! ... Cópia Gerry Mckiernan : > _TopicMap Feature in HighWire_ > > I have learned that High Wire now offers Topic Map access > > [ http://highwire.stanford.edu/ ] > > This option is accessible from a link in the center of the homepage > > Browse articles: > Biological Sciences Physical Sciences > Medical Sciences Social Sciences > > Browse using TopicMap, a graphical viewer > > An explanation (what's this?) is also available: > > "TopicMap" is a special Java applet designed to help you navigate topics on > HighWire in a graphical form. The intent is to give you a sense of context > while navigating a large, tree-structured database. > > When TopicMap is launched, it appears in a separate window. As it may take > 60 seconds or more to load, you will want to keep this separate window open > to avoid having to reload frequently. > > When results are selected (by double-clicking on a topic with more than > zero documents), the results show up in the original browser window from > which TopicMap was launched. " > > [ http://highwire.stanford.edu/help/hbt/ ] > > TopicMap is based on the Hyperbolic Tree SDK for Java, licensed from > Inxight Software, Inc. [http://www.inxight.com/ ] > > BTW: I speculated about the application of (another type of) Topic Maps in > navigating e-journals in a posting nearly a year ago ! [Yes!] > > [ http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/0102/0264.ht ml ] > > I wish to thank Terry Bucknell , Electronic Resources Manager, Harold > Cohen Library, University of Liverpool, for The Heads Up about the HighWire > > Topic Map development! > > I believe that my colleagues will find TopicMaps in HighWire *quite* > impressive. Give It a Try - t's the future of digital navigation! [:->] > > Regards, > > /Gerry McKiernan > Topical Librarian > Iowa State University > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > > > From info at galwaylibrary.ie Mon Jan 21 09:17:04 2002 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Info Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:37 2005 Subject: linking with XML Message-ID: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A99854@galway-primary> Hi, I have read a little about creating links with XML. One aspect of this puzzles me. With XML, your links can be stored in a seperate document called a 'linkbase'. When my web page is opened, the linkbase is loaded. A user can follow a link from my page to, for example, a Library of Congress web page. My linkbase can define a link from the Library of Congress web page back to my own page something that could never be done with HTML. Here I see a difficulty. When the Library of Congress web page is opened, a linkbase for that page is, presumably, opened. Is this linkbase appended to the original? If the user follows a link from the Library of Congress page to a British Library web page and then returns from that page to the Library of Congress page by following a link created by the staff of the Library of Congress and defined in their linkbase, will my link remain visible. In other words, will the user see a link from the Library of Congress page back to my page or has my linkbase, by now, been discarded? Are linkbases amalgamated as you browse? Is there a limit on how large the linkbase can become? Just wondering Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library Island House Cathedral Square Galway Ireland http://www.galwaylibrary.ie Phone: 00 353 91 562471 Fax: 00 353 91 565039 From jfruit at nslsilus.org Mon Jan 21 10:47:42 2002 From: jfruit at nslsilus.org (jfruit@nslsilus.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: windows that keep popping up In-Reply-To: <2.1-7354574-373-B-OEWW@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > For an experiment, I created a web page that causes a window to open when > > closed... > > > > My question is how can this beast be controlled. > > 1. Disable JavaScript (or, in IE, disable it at least for the Internet > security zone); or > > 2. Use a browser that allows you to disable pop-up windows. > If you are using Windows, you might consider looking into Proximitron at http://proxomitron.org/ . The the program works with browser and filters out all kinds of stuff from web pages. I got this from their web page: "It works with most any browser (not just the big two) and, for starters, can do the following keen things... Stop or limit Pop-up windows Control MIDI music and other sounds Freeze animated .GIFs - load only the first frame Kill most all advertising banners Stop Web-Branding and other scripts added by web space providers Stop Pop-up alert/confirm boxes Remove slow web counters Stop web pages and ads from "auto-refreshing" Remove Dynamic HTML Prevent getting stuck in someone's frames Remove frames or tables altogether for that matter Kill or change selected Java scripts and applets Add your own scripts to pages! Remove or replace web page and/or table background images Stop Status bar scrollers Unhide URLs obscured by status line text Convert blinking text to bold Remove Layers and Style sheets And as they say, much, much more... " I use it at home, and it is very handy. Highly configurable. :) John From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Mon Jan 21 12:48:50 2002 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:37 2005 Subject: CSS behaviors References: <6F274B955A9BD311899A009027DEA655A99854@galway-primary> Message-ID: <3C4C5481.C479FFFD@tln.lib.mi.us> I'm working on converting my pages to make them XHTML-compliant. In the process, I've been revamping some of my older pages to make the compatible with my newer pages. In the process, I've run into a problem with how the different browsers are handling CSS. On my help pages, I have two columns set by DIV's, one for content and one as a sidebar for resources, comments, links down the page, etc. The structure and CSS are generally like this: #content { float: left; margin-left: 5%; width: 60%; } #sidebar { float: right; padding-left: 1%; padding-right: 2%; width: 18%; } In the page, I lay out the DIVs in this order:
text and more text etc.
The idea is that the sidebar floats to the right side of the page and is at the same vertical level as the content of the text on the left. The content section is 60% of the width of the page with 5% of white space between the left side of the content and the edge of the screen. The sidebar section gets to use the remainder of the space to the right of the content. This has generally been working without any problems. But, one of my help pages has several tables in it. In both IE and K-Meleon (Mozilla-based), the text in the cells is long enough to cause the tables to extend the width of the page, respecting the 5% margin on the left. That by itself is not a problem. However, it appears that IE is extending the width of the DIV across the entire page to match the size of the tables. By comparison, K-Meleon allows the tables to extend across the page but keeps the DIV width fixed at 60% (you can see confirm the behavior by setting a background color). As you might guess, the IE behavior causes havoc with the page layout as it forces the content DIV down below the sidebar DIV as there is no space remaining to the right side of the content DIV. My questions: 1. Which browser is properly handling the tables? 2. Why don't the tables honor the DIV width of 60%? 3. Any suggestions for work-arounds? Thank you, Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From lbspodic at ust.hk Mon Jan 21 20:25:34 2002 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:59:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: Re: To blog, to chat, to message board, that is the In-Reply-To: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF756@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> References: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF756@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> Message-ID: At 9:56 AM -0800 18/1/2002 [their time], Kevil, L H. wrote: >OK, gang, now that this topic has been breached, could I ask for >recommendations regarding message board software suitable for our library's >web users group? Anything goes, from FrontPage Discussion Webs to >sophisticated boards like the Anandtech Community or the OCWorkbench forums, >provided it works well for you. TIA, One possibility is "Gossamer Forum" from Gossamer Threads http://gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/ It's uses Perl and an SQL database. I use another product of theirs for some small projects, and their online support forum is excellent (and now running the above forum software). As an academic institution, I think the licensing fees would be waived for you (http://gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/license.htm). There are loads of other forum products out there as well. -Spode - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043