From wmurphy at bama.ua.edu Tue Apr 3 08:58:14 2001 From: wmurphy at bama.ua.edu (Warren Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: WEB Presence for the Library Message-ID: <3AC9C8E6.56A261C1@bama.ua.edu> We need to restructure the way we handle our web presence for the delivery of services in the library. We would like to add a new position to coordinate WEB related activities for delivery of services. We operate in a Solaris/apache environment and make extensive use of perl scripting, Java scripting and database harvesting. The title of WEBMASTER is over used so we are looking at maybe WEB Services Coordinator or WEB Services Analyst. Can anyone offer job descriptions which you are using or have used in your environment; minimum requirements, skill levels, salary levels. This process gets harder each day as we compete with industry for qualified people. All comments and examples will be appreciated. -- Warren Murphy, Systems Officer University Libraries University of Alabama Box 870266 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 wmurphy@bama.ua.edu Ph (205)348-2299 Fx (205)348-8833 From KevilL at missouri.edu Tue Apr 3 09:58:28 2001 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer pr ogr Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF1C8@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> Thanks, Jennifer. What conclusion do you draw from this experience? Many years ago my library had a head of technical services who was neither technical nor a librarian. She did not last long because of her horrible management practices. The 'moral' seems to me to be that our goal should be a meeting of minds, with technical people and librarians as equals instructing each other in what the other knows little or nothing about and a willingness on both sides to learn how to become effective managers. From my perspective there is plenty enough wrong with the 'librarian' way of doing things that we should be very open to bringing bright new minds into the profession. Hunter L. Hunter Kevil Collection Development Librarian 176 Elmer Ellis Library University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 voice 573-882-6034 facsimile -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Heise [mailto:jahb@Lehigh.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:03 AM To: KevilL@missouri.edu Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer progr >Is there any reason a technical person with good > library experience should never be considered to become Head of Technical > Services or even to give bibliographic instruction? 6 months after we hired a 'technical person with good library experience' as a 'systems analyst' to run our SIRSI catalog, I had to explain to him what I meant when I spoke about MARC fields. (And believe me he was making better money than me, but since our university tries to maintain something slightly below market average that's not suprising, since the market average for a systems analyst is a heck of a lot higher than for 'librarian'.) -- / Jennifer Heise, Helpdesk/Librarian, Lehigh Univ. Information Resources \ \ Fairchild-Martindale Library, 8A Packer Ave, Bethlehem PA 18015 / Phone (610) 758-3072 Email: jahb@lehigh.edu "Comment is free, but facts are on expenses." -- Tom Stoppard From smatwick at iisd.ca Tue Apr 3 10:21:03 2001 From: smatwick at iisd.ca (Stacy Matwick) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: IISD Library Virtual Open House Message-ID: <89CD4E678F22EA44ABCDE49C8010176F15FDC8@marathon.iisd.ca> **ANNOUNCING** **************** International Institute for Sustainable Development Research Library Virtual Open House April 2-8, 2001 **************** We're celebrating the launch of our new web pages and online searchable database-SD-Cite. Take a look at the information sources, products and services now available through our web site by going on a virtual tour. Sign our guest book to win prizes such as the handcrafted IISD coffee mug, IISD t-shirt, books on sustainable development and more. ***************** Please visit our web site at http://www.iisd.org/ic/ and link to the library open house during the first week of April. The Virtual Open House will run from Monday, April 2, 2001 to Sunday, April 8, 2001. ***************** From cockbuba at jmu.edu Tue Apr 3 11:23:47 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: one more best usability site Message-ID: I forgot one that was in the wrong email folder www.camden.lib.nj.us BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From cockbuba at jmu.edu Tue Apr 3 11:22:46 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Best "usable" library sites Message-ID: As promised, here is the list of library sites that are considered by this list as ?usable? sites. http://www.morehead-st.edu/units/library/ http://www.ahsl.arizona.edu/ http:// www.chipublib.org http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/index.html http://www.nypl.org/ http://www.rcls.org/ Now I only got about 4 people responding so either there are no good library sites as related to usability or maybe there is a lack of understanding about why I am asking this group. So I could identify 4 or 5 ?best usability practices? library sites, but I want to take myself out of that part of the study. I was looking to get some kind of consensus or majority agreement on this so that when we, at JMU, begin ?user workflow modeling? we can test various solutions of intuitive effectiveness with our users. So if anybody has other suggestions for well-designed usability-conscious library sites, I would still appreciate them. Thanks BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From cagimon at mplib.org Tue Apr 3 12:02:52 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Best "usable" library sites Message-ID: Not a single one of these validates at http://validator.w3.org/. I would consider all of these to be, at the very best, unfinished. I have a whole, big grab bag of gripes about "usability", too, but I'm grumpy enough today, so I'll leave them till later. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cockburn [mailto:cockbuba@jmu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:37 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Best "usable" library sites > > > As promised, here is the list of library sites that are > considered by this > list as "usable" sites. > > http://www.morehead-st.edu/units/library/ > http://www.ahsl.arizona.edu/ http:// www.chipublib.org http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/index.html http://www.nypl.org/ http://www.rcls.org/ Now I only got about 4 people responding so either there are no good library sites as related to usability or maybe there is a lack of understanding about why I am asking this group. So... I could identify 4 or 5 "best usability practices" library sites, but I want to take myself out of that part of the study. I was looking to get some kind of consensus or majority agreement on this so that when we, at JMU, begin "user workflow modeling" we can test various solutions of intuitive effectiveness with our users. So if anybody has other suggestions for well-designed usability-conscious library sites, I would still appreciate them. Thanks BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From BSmith at imls.gov Tue Apr 3 12:05:02 2001 From: BSmith at imls.gov (Smith, Barbara) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Making clip art available on LAN Message-ID: <39513C7C5559D111AC7200600896B46803EE4926@MAIL> My colleagues want to have a wide variety of clip art available to them through our office LAN. We do a lot of presentations and would like to improve our internal documents and publications. Using what Microsoft has available has not met the demand. I'm looking into some of the Corel Gallery series of clip art, but they seem to be more consumer-oriented than designed for offices. They come with lots of CDs. The software reseller recommends five "concurrent licenses, but I'm not sure how that would work on a LAN. We want to make the clips available to about 45 people, all in a central site. Have you come up with a good solution? I'd be particularly interested in which software package(s) and how you've set them up. And has it met demand? TIA, Barbara Smith ____________________________________ Barbara G. Smith, Technology Officer Institute of Museum and Library Services 1100 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Room 802 Washington, DC 20506 voice: 202/606-5254 fax: 202/606-1077 e-mail: bsmith@imls.gov on the Web: www.imls.gov From LuckDL at apsu.edu Tue Apr 3 14:13:46 2001 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Media/Instr Tech Librarian, Clarksville, TN Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE407119@exchange.apsu.edu> Media Services And Instructional Technology Librarian RANK: Instructor (Entry level) RESPONSIBILITIES: Reports directly to the Director of Library and Media Services and works collaboratively with library and teaching faculty to integrate information literacy and instructional technology across the curriculum. Has responsibility for: managing daily operations and budgeting of Media Services; supervising four highly capable support staff; and transforming a traditional Media Services facility into a multimedia center. Develops media web site; assists faculty, staff, and students working on a wide variety of multimedia projects; collaborates with library faculty on Web and multimedia training programs; assists in integration of new technologies; performs all aspects of traditional and electronic reference services; and develops and delivers instruction to enhance information literacy and research skills across the curriculum. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: An ALA-accredited master's degree; high degree of familiarity with Windows operating systems; familiarity with media content and technology, and its potential for network applications; demonstrated knowledge of HTML and related standards; advanced working knowledge of Web technologies; awareness of current trends and developments in the use of the Web to deliver information and services; experience with computer applications related to graphic design and Web authoring; good communication/problem solving skills; and successful experience working in a collaborative environment. Supervisory experience. Potential to meet requirements for promotion and tenure. BENEFICIAL TO POSITION: Instruction and/or reference experience in an academic library. Familiarity with information literacy concepts and issues. Knowledge of established and emerging instructional methods and technologies, including web platforms for online courses. Advanced degree or training in instructional design. Knowledge of a variety of print, electronic and World Wide Web reference sources and effective online search techniques. APPOINTMENT: Position is tenure track with initial appointment at the rank of Instructor. Librarians are expected to meet tenure and promotion requirements of the Library faculty. Conditions: 12 month contract with 24 days annual leave, 12 paid holidays, and 12 sick days. Minimum salary: negotiable. Retirement is paid by the state; participation may be in TIAA-CREF or state retirement system. State pays 80% of health insurance. COMMUNITY: Austin Peay State University is a state-supported institution and has been designated the liberal arts university of the Tennessee Board of Regents System. The University has approximately 5,800 FTE students and 320 faculty. Clarksville, Tennessee, has a population of 99,000 and is located 45 miles Northwest of Nashville on Interstate 24. APSU is an EEO/AA Employer. APPLICATION INFORMATION: Review of applications will begin April 30, 2001 and will continue until position is filled. Send letter of application, resume, graduate and undergraduate transcripts (unofficial copies are acceptable for initial screening), and three letters of reference to: DeAnne Luck, Felix G. Woodward Library; Austin Peay State University; P.O. Box 4595; Clarksville, TN 37044. For more information contact DeAnne Luck at LuckDL@apsu.edu or see our web site, http://library.apsu.edu. From LuckDL at apsu.edu Tue Apr 3 14:17:51 2001 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Network Services Librarian, Clarksville, TN Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE40711A@exchange.apsu.edu> Network Services Librarian (NEW POSITION) RANK: Assistant Professor RESPONSIBILITIES: Under the general guidance of the Systems Librarian, the Network Services Librarian is responsible for: integrating and maintaining local and remote network resources and services within the Library InfoStation framework; developing and implementing integrated, dynamic web and database applications; shared administration and maintenance of the Horizon integrated library system; developing and maintaining access to electronic documents; and developing and leading workshops and seminars for staff and library users on networked library resources and services. The Network Services Librarian works closely with other library departments developing and implementing new information products, services, and participates in regular Reference Desk rotations. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: An ALA-accredited master's degree and a minimum of two years experience with library systems and/or network services and operations The successful candidate must possess a vision for the future of integrated library services in a digital environment; a commitment to developing and maintaining familiarity with current and emerging trends in library computing; and provide leadership and vision to the process of organizing electronic network services and resources. Effective oral and written communication and presentation skills. Excellent problem solving and analytical skills. Ability to work independently and collaboratively in a rapidly changing service environment. Ability to prioritize and manage multiple projects simultaneously. Potential to meet requirements for promotion and tenure. BENEFICIAL TO POSITION: Working knowledge of Web-based applications and development tools. Demonstrated ability to manage library networked resources in a Windows environment. Experience with integrated library systems, preferably epixtech Horizon ILS and a working knowledge of MARC formats. Working knowledge of SQL and RDBMS, Z39.50, HTML, XML. Some training experience. APPOINTMENT: Position is tenure track with initial appointment at the rank of Assistant Professor. Librarians are expected to meet tenure and promotion requirements of the Library faculty. Conditions: 12 month contract with 24 days annual leave, 12 paid holidays, and 12 sick days. Minimum salary: negotiable. Retirement is paid by the state; participation may be in TIAA-CREF or state retirement system. State pays 80% of health insurance. COMMUNITY: Austin Peay State University is a state-supported institution and has been designated the liberal arts university of the Tennessee Board of Regents System. The University has approximately 5,800 FTE students and 320 faculty. Clarksville, Tennessee, has a population of 99,000 and is located 45 miles Northwest of Nashville on Interstate 24. APSU is an EEO/AA Employer. APPLICATION INFORMATION: Review of applications will begin April 30, 2001 and will continue until position is filled. Send letter of application, resume, graduate and undergraduate transcripts (unofficial copies are acceptable for initial screening), and three letters of reference to: Don Carlin, Felix G. Woodward Library; Austin Peay State University; P.O. Box 4595; Clarksville, TN 37044. For more information contact Don Carlin, carlind@apsu.edu, or see our web site, http://library.apsu.edu. From LuckDL at apsu.edu Tue Apr 3 14:19:19 2001 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Instruction Librarian, Clarksville, TN Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE40711B@exchange.apsu.edu> INSTRUCTION LIBRARIAN RANK: Instructor (Entry-Level) RESPONSIBILITIES: Assist in the development and delivery of instruction to enhance information literacy and research skills across the curriculum. Design and create instructional and training materials in diverse formats. Oversee Library Instruction and Computer Room. Perform all aspects of traditional and electronic reference services, working regular evening shifts and weekend rotation. Assist in the development of the reference and other collections. Opportunities exist for a wide variety of activities in an electronic environment. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: An ALA-accredited master's degree. Strong interest in and enthusiasm for information literacy and improving teaching/learning through technology. Effective oral and written communication and presentation skills. Strong interpersonal skills. Ability to work independently and collaboratively in a rapidly changing service environment. Ability to prioritize and manage multiple projects simultaneously. Potential to meet requirements for promotion and tenure. BENEFICIAL TO POSITION: Instruction and/or reference experience in an academic library. Familiarity with information literacy concepts and issues. Knowledge of established and emerging instructional methods and technologies, including web platforms for online courses. Coursework in or knowledge of instructional design. Knowledge of a variety of print, electronic and World Wide Web reference sources and effective online search techniques. APPOINTMENT: Position is tenure track with faculty status and rank. Librarians are expected to meet tenure and promotion requirements of the Library faculty. Appointment at Instructor rank. Conditions: 12 month contract with 24 days annual leave, 12 paid holidays, and 12 sick days. Minimum salary: negotiable. Retirement is paid by the state; participation may be in TIAA-CREF or state retirement system. State pays 80% of health insurance. COMMUNITY: Austin Peay State University is a state-supported institution and has been designated the liberal arts university of the Tennessee Board of Regents System. The University has approximately 5,800 FTE students and 320 faculty. Clarksville, Tennessee, has a population of 99,000 and is located 45 miles Northwest of Nashville on Interstate 24. APSU is an EEO/AA Employer. APPLICATION INFORMATION: Review of applications will begin April 30, 2001, and will continue until position is filled. Send letter of application, resume, 250-500 word statement about the role of information literacy in a university's curriculum, graduate and undergraduate transcripts (unofficial copies are acceptable for initial screening), and three letters of reference to: Lori Buchanan; Felix G. Woodward Library; Austin Peay State University; P.O. Box 4595; Clarksville, TN 37044. For more information contact Lori Buchanan, buchananl@apsu.edu, or see our web site, http://library.apsu.edu. From Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca Tue Apr 3 14:48:35 2001 From: Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca (Marian Dworaczek) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information Message-ID: <046b01c0bc6e$aff88c60$154ae980@usask.ca> The April 1, 2001 edition of the "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" and the accompanying "Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. This edition includes 1,366 titles. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction, which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography, is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been crossposted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek *Head, Acquisitions Department *University of Saskatchewan Libraries *E-mail: marian.dworaczek@usask.ca *Phone: (306) 966-6016 *Fax: (306) 966-5919 *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze From eric_morgan at ncsu.edu Tue Apr 3 14:53:44 2001 From: eric_morgan at ncsu.edu (Eric Lease Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: fun with xml Message-ID: I have done some experimentation with XML for the past couple of months, and I have written a bit about this process in an essay called "Fun with XML" complete with a number of examples at the following URL: http://bliss.lib.ncsu.edu/xml/fun.html >From the introduction and conclusion: This text outlines the process I used to learn a bit about XML, Extensible Markup Language. In a nutshell, XML is an operating system-independent, standards-based method for marking up text and data for the purposes of sharing information between computers and ultimately people. XML and its associated technologies provide a means for libraries to collect, organize, archive, and disseminate information in a manner more in tune with the current digitally networked environment.... I found my explorations into XML to be fun and exciting. Because I was describing, manipulating, and disseminating data and information I found myself doing real library work. Tell me what you thinque. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From cockbuba at jmu.edu Tue Apr 3 14:43:47 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Usability in Libraries Message-ID: In order to play devil?s advocate to some extent and to learn more of the ideas swirling about, I would like to say Some of you, in your replies to me regarding usability in library sites indicated a feeling that usability is more an art than a science. That what is usable in my library would unlikely be applicable in another. I would like to respectfully disagree. 1. The ?science? of usability has settled on some pretty objective criteria, methods, and models. 2. E-commerce usability has become quite uniform. That has happened because a number of people have performed enough studies and tests that have been reproduced with similar results to become at least very strong principles. What are our library sites but e-commerce sites that offer products (information, resources, etc) for free. Comparison shopping among resources, information and annotations about, and help all are part of what we do. 3. At least for academic libraries, our users are a very homogenous demographic whether we like to admit it or not. We can easily find significant information about how they behave AND how they expect web sites to behave 4. Expectations of how the web works are driven to a great extent by e-commerce and other profit making sites. To ignore those expectations is to create non-intuitive web sites that must be learned (which is against at least one of the 10 basic heuristic usability principles) 5. It doesn?t seem to be a stretch to think that if the library community were to perform the same number and kind of studies that have been applied to e-commerce we would find many common usability ?principles? that would guide us in making intuitive easily navigable and very understandable web sites that provided information, or access to that information, as readily and intuitively as amazon provides products for sale. In closing, I would like to state that I do understand the argument that we should be focusing on our users. I plan to in my study. I am certain however, that what I said above, in no. 6 will be true if we put as much effort into it as has been put into profit making ventures. Additionally, I think that we can take advantage of almost all the specifically e-commerce usability research, because our users (I know we hate to admit it) spend more time at those ?other? sites than the library?s site and will expect our site to function similar to those other sites. Look forward to any conversation that occurs. BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From margaret at mail.jefferson.lib.la.us Tue Apr 3 16:49:25 2001 From: margaret at mail.jefferson.lib.la.us (Friend, Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: Thanks to those who sent information in answer to my request for RFPs or specs for a web page. I got some very helpful responses that will give our web page group a good beginning. I also found the related comments interesting. We are well aware of the drawbacks to having our web page handled by an outside source. One of the essential ideas was that the web page was to be designed with the capability of library staff being able to do the necessary updating. The reality was that political considerations led to the need for an RFP. Our parish (county) government already had a contract with a local web page designing company. We were attempting to work with them but found their $30,000 proposal incomplete (all graphic design work would be an additional separate contract with another company!) and unresponsive to our input. We are using the RFP to open up the process for other responses. Our administration is now talking about adding a full-time webmaster position which might make the RFP process unnecessary, but our group felt that refining our needs into an RFP would be helpful for a new webmaster to use as a starting point as well, if that scenario works out. Again I can't tell you how much we appreciate the help we got from members of the list. Thanks again! Margaret Margaret Friend Reference Section Head, Jefferson Parish Library 4747 W. Napoleon Ave., Metairie, LA 70001 (504) 838-1100 X307 margaret@mail.jefferson.lib.la.us From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Tue Apr 3 21:27:27 2001 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: New ebook writer/reader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...at least new to me... "TK3 is both a new format for multimedia electronic documents and a flexible, easy assembly tool for making them..." http://www.nightkitchen.com/ They have a version of As We May Think, by Vannevar Bush, for free downloading. From htheyer at pacbell.net Tue Apr 3 21:56:45 2001 From: htheyer at pacbell.net (HTheyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:58 2005 Subject: RE outsourcing/consultants for library computer progr References: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF1C5@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> Message-ID: <008601c0bcaa$811568a0$5291c13f@pacbell.net> I think the whole Librarian/Techies split works both ways. Librarians tend to think of their techies as mind-reading automatons. They always come at the most inconvenient times, if the web pages were better designed in the first place we wouldn't have all these problems, why does the system always go down on a weekend, etc. Techies, in my experience, think librarians are idiots. We call them to adjust the screen contrast or to push in a loose plug on the back of the monitor. We call them about odd noises that mean nothing, or to push the Num Lock button on the keyboard for them. I looked once at the logged help desk calls for a library, and no wonder they think we are babies! Basic conputer and printer troubleshooting should be a job requirement for all library staff. Period. Nobody who works a public desk should have the right to say *A light on the printer is blinking and I don't know what to do!!!!* On the other hand, when we have to call the resident techie, we shouldn't get the rolled eyes, sly smile, and patronizing pat on the head attitude of *just let us take care of everything, little girl* Our critiques of library systems, web pages, and online interfaces should be well thought out, written down, and passed through a chain of command so the same techie isn't bombarded with seven different staff members who want seven different changes to the web pages and all want them done today. This gulf can be breached, but it may take a generational shift in both professions to do it. It won't come with a degree, and I don't think it will come even if public libraries start paying corporate salaries. Hillary Theyer > Good points, Dan, as usual. There is always money available for what the > administration wants. And, yes, many technical people do not like user > contact. But there are some who do, and our library policies cut them out. > Just this morning my library had a meeting in which the question of the > professional degree required for hiring was discussed. Basically if you do > not have an ALA-accredited library master's degree, you cannot be hired as a > librarian. Exceptions are for foreign library and information studies > degrees only. Graduates of Berkeley's former library school will have to > have their degrees approved on an exceptional basis. People with Master's > degrees in MIS or IT or CS, no matter their libreary experience, need not > apply. > > IMHO this kind of exclusionary credentialism does libraries no good. Nor > does it do any good to hire technical people into a secondary (and > necessarily inferior) job classification hierarchy. Technical people need to > be considered librarians just like anyone else. The work they do is very > important and their career paths need to be as open as everyone else's. > Libraries appear to be clinging to an outmoded definition of what a > librarian is and does. Is there any reason a technical person with good > library experience should never be considered to become Head of Technical > Services or even to give bibliographic instruction? > > Hunter > > L. Hunter Kevil > Collection Development Librarian > 176 Elmer Ellis Library > University of Missouri-Columbia > Columbia, MO 65201 > > KevilL@missouri.edu > 573-884-8760 voice > 573-882-6034 facsimile > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lester [mailto:dan@riverofdata.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer > programming > > > > Sunday, April 01, 2001, 1:38:02 PM, you wrote: > > LBA> I agree with you when you say ".. the next steps in delivering > libraries > LBA> thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To > LBA> accomplish these steps, we > LBA> need programmers..." The problem is the pay programmers can command is > way > LBA> out of line with what libraries are able to pay. My observation has > been > LBA> that library salaries for technical staff are easily 1/3 less than what > LBA> those folks can earn in the business world. > > The problem isn't what libraries are able to pay, it is what they're > willing to pay. Money can be found if it is a high enough priority. > However, most library administrators aren't happy when they have to pay > "a mere techie" more than they make themselves, particularly if that > techie is half the age of the administrator. So, they try to make do > with librarians posing as techies or programmers, or student help > (which may be quite good, but also quite temporary). The other part > of the problem is that most libraries don't need to have a full time > "programmer" or "software engineer" or whatever, and most of those > people don't want to spend half of their lives doing boring stuff like > installing PCs and holding users' hands. > > cheers > > dan > > > > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com > From Infoadvis2 at aol.com Wed Apr 11 09:47:39 2001 From: Infoadvis2 at aol.com (Infoadvis2@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: Select Census Web sources identified by Information Advisor Message-ID: (cross-posted: apologies for any duplication) Greetings--Below is a summary and excerpt from an article from the March, 2001 issue of The Information Advisor, which identifies new and valuable information sources from the Bureau of the Census. If there are questions or comments feel free to call or email me directly at rberkman@aol.com. The full article provides additional sources and references. (Other articles in the March 2001 issue include: where to take in-person and online courses in competitive intelligence; the best industry information sources on the Web and finding PDF pages via Google). Robert Berkman Editor The Information Advisor www.informationadvisor.com Falmouth MA 508-540-5990 rberkman@aol.com ********************************************************************* (Excerpt from March, 2001 Information Advisor) WHAT'S NEW FROM THE BUREAU OF THE CENSUS Do you know what's new from the U.S. Bureau of the Census on the Web? While only bits and pieces have emerged so far from the full 2000 Census, the Bureau has been busy creating a wide range of new and useful Web sites for data gatherers. Census information is aggregate only, of course, but the data can be very useful for finding out industry statistics and trends and international trade information, and for conducting economic research, researching new business opportunities, and more. FactFinder factfinder.census.gov This is the main look-up site created by the Bureau for visitors to quickly find the most commonly sought after information. You can even do quick data searches right on this page. A pull-down menu lets you select a region (which can be the U.S. as a whole, a state or a specific county), then search for a particular type of data (which can be related to population, demographics, housing, or business) and then link to the report or series that contain relevant data. You can also find out about the Census 2000 release schedule, view new economic series releases, get industry or geographical "quick reports" from the 1997 Economic Census, link to various maps, and more. Summary Statistics for United States www.census.gov/epcd/ec97/us/US000.HTM On this page you can view key economic data by state or metropolitan area. Data provided includes number of establishments, sales, annual payroll, and number of employees, all organized by NAICS code. Company Statistics www.census.gov/csd/index.html Includes aggregate data on small businesses (including minority and women-owned enterprises), a "characteristics of business owners" survey, and information on larger firms. Also provided are non-employer statistics, and financial statistics. Foreign Trade Statistics www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www Here you'll see links to a variety of statistics on foreign trade. Among them are trade balances of countries with the U.S., top trading partners, a profile of U.S. exporting companies, and various administrative and reporting regulation documents. Census Bureau Search Page www.census.gov/main/www/srchtool.html On this page you can conduct a keyword search on the Bureau's press releases, publications library, subject matter experts, and other online information. You can search titles and keywords, or the full text. There are also links on this page to perform a place search, map search, or Bureau staff name search. Data Access Tools www.census.gov/main/www/access.html This has links and brief descriptions to the search tools and directories on the Bureau's Web site. Subject Index A-Z www.census.gov/main/www/subjects.html A handy A-Z subject index. ********************************************************************** The Information Advisor, an international monthly journal founded in 1987, is a guide for information professionals, who rely on its articles to help them identify, compare and select the best business sources from the myriad of information products and services available, whether in print, on a professional database or on the Web. Readers include business librarians, information brokers, market researchers, knowledge managers, competitive intelligence professionals and other hands-on researchers and information specialists. The March issue is available to non-subscribers for $20. Contact Ms. Sonia Bedikian at (212) 633-4539 or sbedikian@findsvp.com for further details. Also published by The Information Advisor is the "Best of the Business Web" E-letter, a free monthly e-mail alert identifying the five best business research sites found by the editor every month. To sign up, visit: www.bestbizweb.com The Information Advisor is published by FIND/SVP, Inc. (FSVP-NASDAQ), the global business advisory, research and consulting firm ( www.findsvp.com.) From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 11 09:58:17 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: Microsoft Access Question (related to web) Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B35C@mail1.morrisville.edu> I am using Microsoft Access to compile a page that I will put on the web of all electronic serials we have and what databases they are in. My problem is in that Access puts in a blank line for the output of a subreport even when there is no data for that particular title. My database is set up with a separate table for each vendor all linked to a table contain only titles (one to many relationship). My report is based on a query of the title table with holdings fields displaying as subreports for each vendor table. I am getting lots of empty lines. I can get rid of them in Word but it is extremely time consuming. Any ideas? ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!" -- Author Unknown From lislemck at netscape.net Wed Apr 11 10:49:35 2001 From: lislemck at netscape.net (Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: Webby Public Librarians & ALA query References: Message-ID: <447DDFB7.0C88880C.00A08978@netscape.net> 1) I wanted to respond last week to the posting about webrarians, or whatever term you prefer, in public libraries. I don't think I saw any responses, but I am just a wee bit behind in my list reading...if it's been covered, skip to 2) and forgive... Yes Virginia, there are good opportunities for librarians in public libraries to be webby in their work ;). It may be we don't have the same level of resources/support that our academic brethen enjoy. But we're very happy to have new employees come in and parlay whatever skills you possess to our advantage! And the possibilities are pretty immense, for large and small systems. Here we have an Internet office with 3 librarians and several committees, cataloguers working on CORC, our public access catalog is DRAWeb, we have special collections librarians working on digitization projects with our scanning lab, collection development selecting online resources, public services librarians developing content, committees on virtual services, me doing whatever I'm told, you name it. We are a large and complex urban system with large and complex urban needs. We also work with other agencies and consortia on web projects. I know that suburban and rural systems are just as happy to get l! ibrarians with web skills as we are...let me mention that our pay is not bad and the benefits are good. And there is the philosophical greater good stuff--the public's university and an educated citizenry and all, which I do believe in. I'm done recruiting, for now. Anyone who wants to talk more about public libraries and web work, please contact me. 2) Are there any ALA program presenters on web4lib (or otherwise) that I shouldn't miss? I'll probably/maybe get around to reading the program on the plane, so a head's up would great. 3)Are any "informal networking opportunities" being planned for web4libers (and/or others) during ALA? If not, I'm willing to coordinate, if someone can tell me the name of a good, cheap (but not fast, Dan) restaurant/bar in easy walking distance, etc. Thanks for reading, E -- Elizabeth J. McKenty Library Coordinator The Office of Public Service Support Free Library of Philadelphia 215.686.5372 mckentye@library.phila.gov lislemck@netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From dutcher.roger at als.lib.wi.us Wed Apr 11 10:51:20 2001 From: dutcher.roger at als.lib.wi.us (Roger Dutcher) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: Allowing customers to use Pay Pal Message-ID: <002801c0c296$e1f533c0$0c6110ac@uwmadwiscnet.net> Is anyone out there using Pay Pal (or a similar company) to allow their customers to pay for membership in their Friends group (or to pay any fees or fines?) We realize the customer also would have to have an account with the same company. How many people do? If you are using Pay Pal (or any of the others) what has your experience been? How much use to you receive relative to your service population? We have talked about allowing customers to use a credit card but never have gotten past the thinking phase and thought of training all of our desk workers to use credit cards. Roger Dutcher Beloit (WI) Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 11:08:32 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: Word & HTML Message-ID: I recently saved a Microsoft Word document as a Web page. Instead of saving it as an HTML document, it looks like it was saved as XML -- I assume because my version of Word was 2000. What program can I use to convert XML/XHTML into HTML? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From rodrigue.real at uqam.ca Wed Apr 11 11:26:09 2001 From: rodrigue.real at uqam.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Rodrigue=2C_R=E9al=22?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Word & HTML Message-ID: <4918DA94D2C7D011B6BB00AA00AF6B95027342B8@cahier.si.uqam.ca> HTML Tidy does the job. See http://www.www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ Réal Rodrigue Bibliothécaire, Services informatisés Service des bibliothèques Université du Québec à Montréal Tél: 514-987-3000 #4554 FAX: 514-987-7787 Courriel: rodrigue.real@uqam.ca Page personnelle: http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/g17176/ -----Message d'origine----- De : Heather Samuels [mailto:blueskies88@hotmail.com] Envoyé : 11 avr. 2001 11:18 À : Multiple recipients of list Objet : [WEB4LIB] Word & HTML I recently saved a Microsoft Word document as a Web page. Instead of saving it as an HTML document, it looks like it was saved as XML -- I assume because my version of Word was 2000. What program can I use to convert XML/XHTML into HTML? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Wed Apr 11 11:39:44 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: CD-Writable question Message-ID: <3AD47AC0.FD1FB0AE@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I was just asked a very interesting question by managment and I wanted to get your input on this. Management sees the public doing quite a bit of downloading to floppy disk (our hard-drives are blocked by System Policy Editor) and they see the public doing more downloads in the future with video and audio files. Should the library be investing in CD-RW drives so the public can save files to CD instead of floppy? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From carla.graebner at dfait-maeci.gc.ca Wed Apr 11 11:50:29 2001 From: carla.graebner at dfait-maeci.gc.ca (carla.graebner@dfait-maeci.gc.ca) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: More on that mouse button thing Message-ID: <83D7F8C463A6D21197FB00E029265ED505FFEDAD@lbpr15.lbp.dfait-maeci.gc.ca> Hello, If you view Webencyclo, the online French language encyclopaedia, http://www.webencyclo.com/home/home.asp in Netscape 4, the page is in a constant state of re-load which might account for the large, and rapid, number of mouse clicks appearing on the logs. This isn't the first time I've seen this but is hugely annoying. The page seems to load fine in IE 4. Carla Graebner Library/Biblioth?que Trade and Economic Policy/ Politique commerciale et ?conomique DFAIT-MAECI SXCI * (613) 944-0571 * carla.graebner@dfait-maeci.gc.ca From jharvey at irvinglibrary.org Wed Apr 11 11:51:33 2001 From: jharvey at irvinglibrary.org (John Harvey) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CD-Writable question Message-ID: <692AB92273A5D411ACB20008C7566BCA754B15@BIGGUY> Tom Edelblute wrote: Management sees the public doing quite a bit of downloading to floppy disk (our hard-drives are blocked by System Policy Editor) and they see the public doing more downloads in the future with video and audio files. Should the library be investing in CD-RW drives so the public can save files to CD instead of floppy? My experience with CD-RW disks (on my own PC) is that it can take up to twenty or thirty minutes to format blank disks. I suppose that you could stipulate that users must bring pre-formatted disks with them, but it seems to me that a better solution might be to replace your PCs' floppy drives with either Zip drives or the so-called "superfloppy" drives, which can read and write ordinary 3.5" disks as well as the new 120 Mb disks. I think that the problem in any case might be that someone's going to be left out: Zip and superfloppy drives, while widely used, are still far from being standard even on new PCs, and users who wish to download onto CD-RWs may not have the drives on their home or business PCs to preformat them. ==================== John C. Harvey Irving Public Library jharvey@irvinglibrary.org From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Apr 11 12:25:13 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: CD-Writable question References: <692AB92273A5D411ACB20008C7566BCA754B15@BIGGUY> Message-ID: <008d01c0c2a3$fc5b6600$e84ae980@usask.ca> > My experience with CD-RW disks (on my own PC) is that it can take up > to twenty or thirty minutes to format blank disks. I suppose that you > could stipulate that users must bring pre-formatted disks with them, There must be great differences in software and drives. Using HotBurn from Asimware/iomega (with a TEAC CD-W54E) it takes less than a minute to erase an existing CD-RW on my machine, and I've never seen a CD-RW required "formatting" prior to first use. Does such a thing exist? Of course, if you go with CD-R, then this point is moot. The deciding factor might be support. I think there was some discussion on this topic a month or so back. Have a look in the archives. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 11 12:26:55 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CD-Writable question Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B360@mail1.morrisville.edu> Requiring that the CD-RW be formatted ahead of time probably would not work. Also, the length of time to copy/write to a CD-RW depends entirely on the kind of data you are saving. Many will come in with CD-R disks as well. That is a write once only disk and can not be formatted ahead of time. I personally use only CD-R disks because they are less apt to have problems. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!" -- Author Unknown From thuwe at library.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 11 12:30:15 2001 From: thuwe at library.berkeley.edu (Terence K. Huwe) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Librarian Position Available Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010411093015.00725624@library.berkeley.edu> Friends- I'm pleased to announce a new position for an Electronic Outreach Librarian at UC Berkeley's Institute of Industrial Relations Library. Details follow below! Thanks, Terry Huwe ---------------------------- ACADEMIC POSITION AVAILABLE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY ELECTRONIC OUTREACH LIBRARIAN Institute of Labor and Employment & Institute of Industrial Relations Library Associate Librarian $40,248 - $57,984 per annum, based upon qualifications The University of California at Berkeley is seeking an energetic and creative individual to coordinate electronic outreach, reference and Web services in support of the newly formed Institute of Labor Employment (ILE). ILE is a Multi-Campus Research Program that will be administered at the Institutes of Industrial Relations (IIR), at UCLA and UC Berkeley (URL: http://iir.berkeley.edu). This appointment will be made at UC Berkeley, but this position will be up to 30 percent travel to offer Internet and general research training courses throughout California, and to interact with ILE affiliates at UCLA. Founded in July 2000 by the California state legislature, ILE will promote broadly defined academic research about labor and employment in California. The ILE mission builds upon the research goals of the Institutes of Industrial Relations, which were founded in 1945. ILE has the specific charge to foster collaborative research relationships between the University, the Labor Movement, the State of California, and community groups. SUMMARY OF RESPONSIBILITIES: Reporting to the Director of Library and Information Resources at the Institute of Industrial Relations Library, the incumbent will have key responsibility for coordinating Web development and services for IIR and ILE. The incumbent will also have primary responsibility for outreach programs targeting labor organizations, in conjunction with the program goals of the Centers for Labor Research and Education at IIR-UC Berkeley and IIR-UCLA. The incumbent will play a primary role in providing reference and electronic collection development for ILE affiliates at UCLA, and will coordinate closely with UCLA librarians and faculty members. Specific tasks for which the incumbent is responsible include: ? Development of Web tutorials, guides and teaching aids ? Development and maintenance of interactive Web services and databases with Web gateways ? Reference service for members of the labor community who work with ILE ? Collection development involving diverse media ? Assist the Director of Library and Information Resources in planning and implementing state-wide programs with substantial involvement of UCLA affiliates Professional contributions beyond the primary job, e.g., publications, participation in University and professional organizations, and other research and creative activity are required for advancement within the Librarian Series. Candidates must show evidence of such contributions. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: An MLIS from an ALA accredited institution, or equivalent degree, and relevant professional experience. Excellent oral and written communication skills; demonstrated ability to work in a team-oriented work environment; extensive Web development; excellent interpersonal skills with ability to lead and collaborate; ability to plan and implement wide-ranging research training and outreach programs for academic and community labor organizations; knowledge of issues in electronic scholarly communication and experience in managing and delivering alternative formats with an emphasis on the Internet; planning and project management experience; ability to meet deadlines and to work productively within an environment of rapid development and change; commitment to personal professional development. Preferred: Two to five years of progressively responsible experience in an academic research or special library; experience with, or a high level of interest in labor and employment issues, particularly involving organized labor; experience in developing interactive databases in collaboration with other librarians, researchers and professionals; experience in selection and licensing of electronic resources; familiarity with current information technologies and current issues in technical services librarianship. Familiarity with, or interest in learning original cataloging procedures. The Institute of Labor and Employment is committed to the support and encouragement of a multicultural environment and seeks candidates who can make positive contributions in a context of ethnic and cultural diversity. An exclusive bargaining agent, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), represents librarians at the University of California. This position is included in the bargaining unit. Deadline: Review of applications will begin June 1, 2001 and consideration will be given to applications received by May 15, 2001. APPLICANTS SHOULD APPLY IN WRITING, INCLUDING WITH THEIR LETTER A COMPLETE STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS, A FULL RESUME OF THEIR EDUCATION AND RELEVANT EXPERIENCE, AND THE NAMES, ADDRESSES, AND PHONE NUMBERS OF THREE REFERENCES WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS POSITION. You may mail your application package to: Terence K. Huwe Director of Library and Information Resources Institute of Industrial Relations University of California 2521 Channing Way #5555 Berkeley, CA 94720-5555 Or FAX: 510-642-6432 Or EMAIL: thuwe@library.berkeley.edu The University of California Is an Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action Employer From dennis at dati.com Wed Apr 11 12:33:43 2001 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CD-Writable question References: <008d01c0c2a3$fc5b6600$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <3AD48767.E4B98F53@dati.com> I use a Yamaha 4416 CD-RW with Adaptec Easy CD Creator. No formatting is necessary. Erasing takes a minute or so, but if the user provides (or buys) the media, erasing should not be an issue. -- Dennis Brantley mailto:dennis@dati.com Data Access Technologies, Inc. Darryl Friesen wrote: > > > My experience with CD-RW disks (on my own PC) is that it can take up > > to twenty or thirty minutes to format blank disks. I suppose that you > > could stipulate that users must bring pre-formatted disks with them, > > There must be great differences in software and drives. Using HotBurn from > Asimware/iomega (with a TEAC CD-W54E) it takes less than a minute to erase > an existing CD-RW on my machine, and I've never seen a CD-RW required > "formatting" prior to first use. Does such a thing exist? > > Of course, if you go with CD-R, then this point is moot. The deciding > factor might be support. I think there was some discussion on this topic a > month or so back. Have a look in the archives. > > - Darryl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ > Department of Computing Services, > University of Saskatchewan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Wed Apr 11 12:50:23 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (J.M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PC public configuration In-Reply-To: <3B008AF2@operamail.com> Message-ID: Isn't the government beginning to publish on DVD? Joyce On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, D. Popeck wrote: > >The ones I'm ordering will be over the minimum, of course. In case anyone > >is interested, we're going with Pentium IIIs (933 Mhz or better) because our > >IT people are not thrilled with the Pentium IV which runs hotter and uses > >more electricity, and aren't being run at their most efficient yet, though > >they may be better used by the fall. I'm going with 256 MB RAM, Zip and DVD > >and hopefully CD-read/writeable. I'd say 128 MB is a minimum on RAM. > > Does anyone use DVD at their libraries? I have not upgraded at home or work > (especially since CD ROMs are dirt cheap now.) Perhaps there is valuable > software on DVD out there, but we have no "need" for DVD as far as I can tell. > > D. Popeck > Madison Library > From LBAyre at galecia.com Wed Apr 11 13:03:05 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CD-Writable question In-Reply-To: <3AD47AC0.FD1FB0AE@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: This came up once before and I think the feeling was that it was inevitable. One lingering concern I have is about security. If we make CD-RW drives available, don't we need to make the C drive accessible to patrons too? Making a CD directly off the Internet or a network drive is sure to result in underruns. I'd like to set up public access computers that have a portion of the C drive available to patrons but the guts of the system completely off limits. Can this be done with 2000? WinSelect? -Lori Ayre -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Tom Edelblute Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] CD-Writable question I was just asked a very interesting question by managment and I wanted to get your input on this. Management sees the public doing quite a bit of downloading to floppy disk (our hard-drives are blocked by System Policy Editor) and they see the public doing more downloads in the future with video and audio files. Should the library be investing in CD-RW drives so the public can save files to CD instead of floppy? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Apr 11 13:09:24 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Week 6: Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk, Reminder and Update Message-ID: <3AD5796E@webmail2.gwu.edu> The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk Update Week 6 New and Useful Web Sites, Industry News, Full-Text Docs of Interest to the Info Professional. http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com 4/11/01 Hello from Washington! We have plenty of great content (new documents, sites, etc.) with a full helping of news. Perhaps the best week so far. The article by Tim Berners-Lee (listed 4/11/01) is a must read. The weekly highlight/reminder list containing just a few of the entries begins a few lines down the page. This e-mail is an abridged version of what you will find when you visit the page. Please stop by throughout the week for new resources and news of interest to the information professional. Sharing --------- Please continue to let others know about the VAS&ND. Finally --------- Thanks for the continued support! If I can be of assistance, you know where to find me. Cheers, gary --- http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 Must Read! The Semantic Web Web--The Future Tim Berners-Lee & Others Explain the Semantic Web Source: Scientific American Key Passage, "The Semantic Web will bring structure to the meaningful content of Web pages, creating an environment where software agents roaming from page to page can readily carry out sophisticated tasks for users. Such an agent coming to the clinic's Web page will know not just that the page has keywords such as "treatment, medicine, physical, therapy" (as might be encoded today) but also that Dr. Hartman works at this clinic on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and that the script takes a date range in yyyy-mm-dd format and returns appointment times ------- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 Executive Compensation--Rankings--United States Business Week's Executive Pay Special Report Now Online Current Events--United States Weather--Flooding--United States Flooding in Dakotas and Minnesota: Web Resources Preprints The PrePrint Network from the U.S. Department of Energy Continues to Expan U.S./China Relations International Relations Congressional Research Service Materials The Federation Of American Scientists have made several Congressional Research Service (CRS) reports available dealing with U.S./China relations. Here are links to a few of them. IB98018: China-U.S. Relations (updated March 1, 2001) 19 page .pdf IB91121: China-U.S. Trade Issues (updated March 5, 2001) 17 page .pdf http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Monday, April 09, 2001 Training Tools--Databases--ERIC New ERIC "Quick Instructions" Resource Information Visualization Tools Stock Exchange Data--NASDAQ NASDAQ 100 Heatmap Archives--Canada Canada Post and National Archives Announce "Virtual" Postal Archive http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Sunday, April 08, 2001 Full-Text Document Shelf Elections--United Kingdom Source: House of Commons Library UK Election Statistics 1945-2000 Related Docs: By Elections Since the 1997 General Election 23 pages General Election Results: 1 May 1997 92 pages Information Technology--People Asia's 25 Movers and Shakers 2001 Source: ZDNet Asia http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Saturday, April 7, 2001 Business--Databases (Fee-Based)--Help Documentation Georgetown's Business Intelligence Center Debuts "Help Sheets for Databases" Compilation Databases--Crime--Pennsylvania Databases--Invisible Web Pennsylvania State Police Place New Crime Reports Database Online http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ------- Friday, April 6, 2001 Info Industry--SilverPlatter Info Industry--Wolters Kluwer Wolter Kluwer Acquires SilverPlatter Energy--Gasoline--Forecast--U.S. Driving--U.S. Source: Energy Information Agency Summer 2001 Motor Gasoline Outlook Professional Reading Shelf Online Information--Preservation "Digital Preservation: Paradox & Promise" Source: LJ netconnect. & Resource Naming and Identification "Pesistence is A Virtue" Source: National Library of Australia http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---------- Thursday April 5, 2001 Health Advisories--Canada Source: Health Canada New Website: Advisories for Health Professionals Web Reference Tools Info Industry--U.K. XRefer to Launch a Fee-Based Professional Version Full-Text Document Shelf Business--Women Owned--United States Women--Statistics--United States Women Owned Businesses (1997 Economic Census) Databases of the Day--Invisible Web Sports--Major League Baseball Historical PLAYER Statistics: Major League Baseball (1871 to the Present) Historical TEAM Statistics: Major League Baseball (1871 to the Present) Historical LEADERS Statistics: Major League Baseball (1871 to the Present) Web Reference--Online Encyclopedias United States--Encyclopedias The National Endowment for the Humanities Begins Grants to Create on Online Encyclopedia http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ------ Wednesday April 4, 2001 Online Exhibition--U.S. History American Originals: Materials from the Traveling Exhibit Knowledge Management Source: Darwin "When Bad Things Happen To Good Ideas" Web Tools--Updates Quickbrowse & EQuill Two useful webtools with just announced new features/updates. Both tools are free to use. -------------- End Weekly Highlights #6 The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian George Washington University Virginia Campus Library Gelman Library Ashburn, VA and Washington, D.C. gprice@gwu.edu Looking for Info Industry News? New Search Resources? New Web Accessible Documents? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com From tedforrl at wfu.edu Wed Apr 11 13:11:42 2001 From: tedforrl at wfu.edu (Rosalind Tedford) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Word & HTML References: Message-ID: <3AD4904E.9F7CC896@wfu.edu> Macromedia's Dreamweaver has a nifty little utility called "Clean Up Word HTML" that will strip out the XML from your document. It's under the Tools Menu. We use it all the time! I think it is a shame that in MS Word 2000 you don't have the ability to turn off the XML feature and it save as just plain old HTML. Roz -- _______________________________ Rosalind Tedford Information Technology Center Manager Wake Forest University Phone: 336-758-5910 FAX: 336-758-8831 tedforrl@wfu.edu http://www.wfu.edu/~tedforrl From danleym at sls.lib.il.us Wed Apr 11 13:21:48 2001 From: danleym at sls.lib.il.us (Melody Danley) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Scanners Message-ID: <3AD492AC.B8BE42E9@downersgrovelibrary.org> Greetings web4libbers-- I realize that this subject is a little off topic but you all are probably some of the best resources I could find for this question. I recently updated my computer (Mac G4) from a woefully outdated 7200. I had been using an Apple OneScanner with Ofoto. Ofoto is no longer supported and is having problems with the new operating system, and the plug-in from Apple is really sad. It looks like I'm in the market for a new scanner. What I would like to know is some recommendations for a scanner that would also provide me with the software that includes expert controls I need for print and web. I would really like to hear from someone who is happy with the product they're using. Thanks, Melody -- Melody Danley Downers Grove Public Library Downers Grove, IL www.downersgrovelibrary.org From richard at goerwitz.com Wed Apr 11 13:22:39 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CD-Writable question References: Message-ID: <3AD492DF.D7F5B333@Goerwitz.COM> Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: > > This came up once before and I think the feeling was that it was > inevitable At this point, wouldn't it make sense to start thinking about DVD as well? -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From jschult at elmira.edu Wed Apr 11 13:50:26 2001 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: statistics for academic library web References: Message-ID: <009901c0c2af$e5b0abc0$02898c0a@elmira.edu> I have a lot of questions in this area, and in fact a regional group here is hoping to bring in a speaker on the subject of web server log statistics and statistical report software. Does anyone know of an appropriate speaker for such a thing? I don't have any leads except the book mentioned by Lee J. I've been thinking of inviting vendors, WebTrends and their competitors, but it would be nicer if we had someone neutral who could give a workshop on what terms like "hits" and "sessions" mean when you factor in the variable of user-cached pages. ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Wed Apr 11 13:56:06 2001 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanners In-Reply-To: <3AD492AC.B8BE42E9@downersgrovelibrary.org> Message-ID: May 2001 issue of PC World reviewed inexpensive scanners for home and office: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,44621,00.asp *-----Original Message----- *From: web4lib@webjunction.org *[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Melody Danley *Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:40 PM *To: Multiple recipients of list *Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanners * * *Greetings web4libbers-- *I realize that this subject is a little off topic but you all are *probably some of the best resources I could find for this question. * *I recently updated my computer (Mac G4) from a woefully outdated 7200. I *had been using an Apple OneScanner with Ofoto. Ofoto is no longer *supported and is having problems with the new operating system, and the *plug-in from Apple is really sad. It looks like I'm in the market for a *new scanner. * *What I would like to know is some recommendations for a scanner that *would also provide me with the software that includes expert controls I *need for print and web. I would really like to hear from someone who is *happy with the product they're using. * *Thanks, Melody * *-- *Melody Danley *Downers Grove Public Library *Downers Grove, IL *www.downersgrovelibrary.org * * From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Apr 11 14:12:25 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: statistics for academic library web References: <009901c0c2af$e5b0abc0$02898c0a@elmira.edu> Message-ID: <3AD49E89.9B697BD@tln.lib.mi.us> Julia, If I was going to bring someone in for that topic, I would be looking for someone like Thomas Dowling or Roy Tennant, as they have the technical expertise and the library experienceto make it relevant to your audience . I don't know what their going rates are these days but it would be money well spent! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Julia Schult wrote: > I have a lot of questions in this area, and in fact a regional group here is > hoping to bring in a speaker on the subject of web server log statistics and > statistical report software. Does anyone know of an appropriate speaker for > such a thing? I don't have any leads except the book mentioned by Lee J. > > I've been thinking of inviting vendors, WebTrends and their competitors, but > it would be nicer if we had someone neutral who could give a workshop on > what terms like "hits" and "sessions" mean when you factor in the variable > of user-cached pages. > > ---Julia E. Schult > Access/Electronic Services Librarian > Elmira College > Jschult@elmira.edu From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Wed Apr 11 14:19:05 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CD-Writable question References: <3AD48767.E4B98F53@dati.com> Message-ID: <002501c0c2b3$e502e2c0$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> From: "Dennis Brantley" > I use a Yamaha 4416 CD-RW with Adaptec Easy CD Creator. No formatting > is necessary. Erasing takes a minute or so, but if the user provides > (or buys) the media, erasing should not be an issue. But a "blank" CD-RW does need to be formatted to UDF for use with DirectCD, which allows "drag and drop" file saving. Otherwise, as another poster pointed out, a user would have to save files to a hard drive, then copy them over to CD with Easy CD Creator or the like. We actually only have one Internet machine with drive access (both floppy and Zip). Our other machines are iPAQ's and don't have floppies or CD-Roms (I have a hot-pluggable CD drive for installs). We actually have very little call for disk saves at all. But mind you these are Internet-only PCs -- no word processing, etc. Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Wed Apr 11 14:23:14 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Overhead Scanners In-Reply-To: <4918DA94D2C7D011B6BB00AA00AF6B95027342B8@cahier.si.uqam.ca> Message-ID: I hope that someone can help me w/ a quick and dirty chore I've got to accomplish in the next 2 days. My academic library is applying for a digitization grant with a short deadline and I've got to find info on pricing for overhead scanners--something I'm not familiar with at all. I started from (of course) sunsite.berkeley.edu ... and have been checking out digital imaging links, etc. from there. But realistically all I need is name of a product and cost - anyone willing to recommend any products/models? Thanks alot in advance. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From dennism at library.tmc.edu Wed Apr 11 14:44:50 2001 From: dennism at library.tmc.edu (Dennis Moser) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanners In-Reply-To: <3AD492AC.B8BE42E9@downersgrovelibrary.org> Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.1.20010411134150.00abacd0@library.tmc.edu> At 10:42 AM 4/11/01 -0700, Melody Danley wrote: >I recently updated my computer (Mac G4) from a woefully outdated 7200. I Congratulations...it makes a great scanning/graphics workstation! >What I would like to know is some recommendations for a scanner that >would also provide me with the software that includes expert controls I >need for print and web. I would really like to hear from someone who is Can you explain more about what you mean by "for print and web?" >-- >Melody Danley >Downers Grove Public Library >Downers Grove, IL >www.downersgrovelibrary.org Dennis "Resident Curmudgeon and Mac User" Moser, MILS Web Librarian John P. McGovern Historical Collections and Research Center HAM-TMC Library Houston, TX From stephenm at mail.uww.edu Wed Apr 11 14:43:31 2001 From: stephenm at mail.uww.edu (Martha Stephenson) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PC public configuration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010411134331.009124c0@mail.uww.edu> Yes, the government has begun publishing on DVD. As a partial government depository, we will be getting some DVD players to read them. Martha At 10:11 AM 4/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >Isn't the government beginning to publish on DVD? > >Joyce > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, D. Popeck wrote: > >> >The ones I'm ordering will be over the minimum, of course. In case anyone >> >is interested, we're going with Pentium IIIs (933 Mhz or better) because our >> >IT people are not thrilled with the Pentium IV which runs hotter and uses >> >more electricity, and aren't being run at their most efficient yet, though >> >they may be better used by the fall. I'm going with 256 MB RAM, Zip and DVD >> >and hopefully CD-read/writeable. I'd say 128 MB is a minimum on RAM. >> >> Does anyone use DVD at their libraries? I have not upgraded at home or work >> (especially since CD ROMs are dirt cheap now.) Perhaps there is valuable >> software on DVD out there, but we have no "need" for DVD as far as I can tell. >> >> D. Popeck >> Madison Library >> > > Martha Stephenson MLS Bibliographic Instruction Coordinator University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Andersen Library 2105C 800 W. Main Street Whitewater, WI 53190-1790 Ph: 262-472-4366 Fax: 262-472-5727 Email: stephenm@mail.uww.edu From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Wed Apr 11 14:53:57 2001 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Overhead Scanners Message-ID: <010411145357.27aa0@sals.edu> >I hope that someone can help me w/ a quick and dirty chore I've got to >accomplish in the next 2 days. My academic library is applying for a >digitization grant with a short deadline and I've got to find info on >pricing for overhead scanners--something I'm not familiar with at all. I have heard that the Minolta PS 7000 is well thought of, but have never used one. I believe the New York State Library has that one or a similar model. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From donnab at mail.sgcl.org Wed Apr 11 16:53:07 2001 From: donnab at mail.sgcl.org (Donna Bacon) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:01 2005 Subject: Advertising on library web pages Message-ID: <200104111553.AA83689744@mail.sgcl.org> Our public library system is considering selling advertising for local companies on our home page. Have any other public libraries had experience doing this? How has it worked for you? 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Special Libraries Association http://www.sla.org/consultonline/ Acqweb - Vanderbilt University (?) http://acqweb.library.vanderbilt.edu/acqweb/pubr/opac.html LibraryHQ http://www.libraryhq.com/consultants.html I got one warning about LibraryHQ related to its ownership by Sirsi. I got one warning about using technology consultants provided by vendors selling the technology and their potential lack of objectivity in selecting the best technology for the library. I received names of three people who are in the buisness of library technology consulting and are happy to have names passed along. This makes me wonder, we have all these library organizations, and so far SLA is the only one even attempting to do anything like this. Their database, when limited to California, is very sparse and does not include people I personally know about. Why? Wouldn't being "vetted" or "approved" by ALA, LITA, et. al. to be on a master list of consultants be a good thing for both the consultants and the libraries needing work done? Is this just not in anybody's mission to do? It seems libraries rely on personal stories and word of mouth when hiring technology consultants. We wouldn't do the same for someone building a building (or would we?) or for someone we were hiring as an administrator. Why do this for a technology consultant? Hillary Theyer > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of HTheyer > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Technology Consultants > > > After teaching one technology based workshop, what I was asked the most for > was a list of library technology consultants that could be hired by > libraries. I went all over ALA's site, nothing I could find. Books are > great, but I need names addresses and such. Does anyone know of such a > list, or one for California alone? > > Thanks, > Hillary Theyer > > From dlammers at pamunkeylibrary.org Sun Apr 15 17:18:03 2001 From: dlammers at pamunkeylibrary.org (Lammers, Deborah) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Technology Consultants Message-ID: <693594B3D1EFD4118D8F0002B32891FD0A5F39@PRLDC2> I didn't see the original post about library technology consultants, but I wanted to point out that the following statement wasn't true in our case (below). When it came time to hire technology consultants, my library system prepared an RFP and hired based on the proposals received. I know of several libraries in Virginia that have done the same. Hope this helps. Deborah Lammers, Supervising Librarian Pamunkey Regional Library, Hanover, Virginia dlammers@pamunkeylibrary.org -----Original Message----- It seems libraries rely on personal stories and word of mouth when hiring technology consultants. We wouldn't do the same for someone building a building (or would we?) or for someone we were hiring as an administrator. Why do this for a technology consultant? From shiel at uwo.ca Tue Apr 17 08:19:07 2001 From: shiel at uwo.ca (Sue Shiel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: access to electronic serials Message-ID: <3ADC34BB.A727D8BE@uwo.ca> I work in a small special library on a university campus and therefore don't have to make electronic serials available to our patrons - this is handled by the main university library. However, one of our faculty members has asked for my advise on making the research journal he edits available, to subscribers only, in an electronic version. This journal is published by a small academic society (the Canadian Population Society). He is considering a password protected site. What guidance can I give him in setting up this site so that institutional subscribers can easily access this electronic edition of the journal? Is password protection a problem for institutional access? Thanks. -- Suzanne Shiel shiel@uwo.ca (519) 661-3819 Population Studies Centre, Room 3227 SSC University of Western Ontario, London ON N6A 5C2 Canada From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Tue Apr 17 11:00:58 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited Message-ID: Good morning/afternoon/evening all! Before I start here, I want everyone reading this to know not to take it personally, this is just something I'm very passionate about and since someone threw in their two cents, y'all are going to get my buck fifty. :) And just so you know, this is going to be a long one. Sorry for the bandwidth. Phalbe Henriksen said: > Cleaning the headphones > between each use can get quite expensive, not to mention time consuming. > The ultimate in cleanliness, though. I know of one library where they give > the alcohol wipe to the patron and it's up to 'im/'er to clean the > headphones. IIRC, this saves on the cost of the wipes, as people who don't > use them leave them on the table. I find it extremely humourous that we've become a country so obsessed with cleanliness that we actually take time to wipe off headphones, sanitize telephones, disinfect doorknobs, and Lysol the living heck out of almost anything the public touches. What people don't seem to realize is how big a waste of time and money most of it is. I've worked with and for the public for several years. I've used the same telephones as them, shared the same headphones, turned the same doorknobs, and so forth. But I don't go through any special need to wipe off and disinfect every little thing that they use. I don't rub alcohol on the telephone, I don't Pine Sol the knobs, and I almost certainly don't use Lysol. I think the fumes from that product are more harmful than the bacteria you're supposedly killing. And most of them advertise as killing only 99% of the germs anyway. Folks, statistics say that there are millions of germs on that telephone. So let's be conservative and say one million germs are there. Killing 99 percent leaves 10,000 germs left on that phone. I would think that 10,000 can make you just as sick as the one million could. As a matter of fact, they can make you sicker, because after all, those 10,000 belong to a strain that is RESISTANT to disinfection. Yet I don't get sick. I don't get colds, I don't get stomach flu, and I don't get strep throat. I get sick once a year and it's usually due to something I ate that wasn't cooked properly. Science has shown that Americans are getting sick more often and many scientists are blaming it on disinfectants, antibiotics, and anti-bacterial products such as Dial soap. Our immune systems need practice, folks. They need germs to kill so we can become resistant to those bugs. Anyone been reading the news that there's new "superviruses" that are immune to normal methods of disinfection. Anyone know why? Because evolution made them that way, the strongest viruses have been artificially selected by us humans because we killed off the weaker varieties. > What we do is a compromise. We keep the headphones on the computer tables, > sort of pushed to the back. Therefore, whatever we do, we start out with in > the morning. And that is to wrap each earpiece in the cheapest sandwich bag > we can buy. ('m not sure I can describe how we do this so securely that > little children can't pull them off, but if anyone's interested, I'll try > to write it up.) > > If a patron asks, we change the sandwich bag, so they get a clean one. Very > few people ask. The cheapest sandwich bag you can buy? Think about what was just said there. You've gone to a store of some kind, and bought a sandwich bag as a sterilization and sanitization device. Not only that, you bought the cheap one. One that came from god knows where, but probably not your state, and brought with it whatever germs the worker who made it was carrying or whatever germs happened to be on the machine that manufactured it. It's not a sterile sandwich bag so once again you've not elimintated the germs, but merely decreased their levels. In the act of putting the sandwich bag on the headphones you've passed along whatever germs you had on you at the time you grabbed the sandwich bag. And here's another question, did you wash you hands after taking the old sandwich bag off and before you put the new one on? If not, you've totally defeated your purpose because you've passed on some of the germs on the old bad to the new one. > > We also wipe the earpieces with rubbing alcohol occasionally. One of our > circ clerks is a cleanliness freak and this is just fodder for her > obsession. Works for us. Ocassionally is just fine in my book, maybe once a day or so. Don't get me wrong, if some disgusting old drunkie who hasn't bathed in six days sits down at a table and uses some headphones, I'm not only up for sanitizing them, but I'd recommend burning the suckers. However, this doesn't happen too often here and I've never heard of it happening too often other places either. > As for the headphones themselves, of the eight we received, seven have been > broken. They're nice headphones. Too nice. We buy the ones in the library > catalogs made for rough school use to replace these nice ones. > Ditto from Yakima. Ours don't break too often, but boy oh boy aren't they nice and don't they just seem to grow legs and walk out of the library? Our method of fixing the problem was to buy cheap headphones and mark them as disposable. Sure sure, they don't give out the quality of sound that the other ones do, but patrons are more than welcome to bring their own headphones if they're after sound quality. If they break, we toss them. And we haven't had a problem with people stealing them simply because they're not worth it. I can get you brand name and price if you're interested. Oh and they have don't have the large plastic earpiece. They're the ones with the little foam earpieces. Once again, no disrespect of ANYONE intended, this is just something I've been POed about for a couple of years now. So please, don't take anything the man in the Hawai'ian shirt shirt says personally! Regards to all! Dan > Phalbe Henriksen > Director > Bradford County Public Library > Starke, FL > > "Perhaps the two most valuable and satisfactory products of American > civilization are the librarian on the one hand and the cocktail in the > other." -- Louis Stanley Jast And god bless Louis Stanely Jast too. I'm a big fan of good books and good booze! :) -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From dildine at stlawu.edu Tue Apr 17 11:27:31 2001 From: dildine at stlawu.edu (Thomas Dildine) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: RE2: Headphones -- revisited References: Message-ID: <3ADC60E3.4FE877F0@stlawu.edu> Daniel Messer wrote: Ditto from Yakima. Ours don't break too often, but boy oh boy aren't they nice and don't they just seem to grow legs and walk out of the library? Our method of fixing the problem was to buy cheap headphones and mark them as disposable. Here's a source for cheap headphones of this type: Computer Gate - http://www.computergate.com 2960 Gordon Ave., Santa Clara, CA 95051 Phone: (408) 730-0673 Fax: (408) 730-0735 The following is from their catalog: Dynamic Headphones Feather light comfort plus real durability with brilliant full dimensional stereo sound. * 27mm mylar cone speakers * Frequency range: 20-18000Hz. * Maximum Power Input: 100mw * Jack: 3.5mm stereo; Length of cord: 4' Catalog item number: MHPF002 Cost: $1.90 Disclaimer: I get no cut or kick back from this company, nor do I get anything for endorseing them. I have no interest or stake in the company. I've simply ordered from them oftem and have fount them to have the lowest prices around for this kind of thing. Thomas Dildine Library Systems Technician St. Lawrence University Canton, NY 13617 From lilsalem at jasper.uor.edu Tue Apr 17 07:38:20 2001 From: lilsalem at jasper.uor.edu (Linda Salem) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: ASIS Lecture: The Eyes Have It: User Interfaces for Information Visualization Message-ID: <006c01c0c732$e7c65180$3080d0ce@uor.edu> ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture * ASIS Lecture Dr. Ben Shneiderman Thursday, April 26, 2001 from 5-6:30 in GSEIS room 111 "The Eyes Have It: User Interfaces for Information Visualization" Lecture synopsis: Human perceptual skills are remarkable, but largely underutilized by current graphical user interfaces. The next generation of animated GUIs and visual data mining tools can provide users with remarkable capabilities if designers follow the Visual Information-Seeking Mantra: Overview first, zoom and filter, then details-on-demand. But this is only a starting point in the path to understanding the rich set of information visualizations that have been proposed. Two other landmarks are: Direct manipulation: visual representation of the objects and actions of interest and rapid, incremental, and reversible operations. Dynamic queries: user controlled query widgets, such as sliders and buttons, that update the result set within 100msec. and are shown in the FilmFinder, American Memory (for Library of Congress), NASA (for environmental data), LifeLines (for medical records and personal histories), Spotfire (commercial multidimensional visualization tool), and Smartmoney marketmap (stock data). As a guide to research, information visualizations can be categorized in to 7 datatypes (1-, 2-, 3-dimensional data, temporal and multi-dimensional data, and tree and network data) and 7 tasks (overview, zoom, filter, details-on-demand, relate, history, and extract). Research directions include algorithms for rapid display update with millions of data points, strategies to explore vast multi-dimensional spaces of linked data, and design of advanced user controls. Some background information on Dr. Shneiderman: Professor in the Department of Computer Science, Founding Director (1983-2000) of the Human-Computer Interaction Laboratory, and Member of the Institutes for Advanced Computer Studies and for Systems Research, all at the University of Maryland at College Park. Author of Designing the User Interface: Strategies for Effective Human-Computer Interaction (third edition 1998), Addison-Wesley Publishers, Reading, MA. His current work on information visualization has led to a commercial product called Spotfire. A collection of 47 key papers with extensive commentary - Using Vision to Think - appeared in January 1999 (with S. Card and J. Mackinlay). On the Board of Directors of Spotfire Inc. and has been on the Editorial Advisory Boards of nine journals. He received an Honorary Doctorate of Science from the University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada in 1996 and was elected as a Fellow of the Association for Computing (ACM) in 1997 and the AAAS in 2001. This lecture is sponsored by UCLA-ASIS and LACASIS and is free. Registration is not required. Refreshments will be provided. Directions to the GSE&IS Building, UCLA GSE&IS is located at the north end of the UCLA Campus next to the Young (formerly University) Research Library (see http://www.ucla.edu/map/north.html). From the 405 freeway take the Sunset Blvd. exit and go east. Turn right on Westwood Plaza into the campus. Stop at the parking and information kiosk and tell the parking attendant that you are attending an event in the GSE&IS building. You can purchase a one-day parking permit for $6.00 and will be given parking directions and directions to the Library. For more complete directions to UCLA, consult: http://www.transportation.ucla.edu/parking/spdirect.htm From cruby at micron.com Tue Apr 17 12:30:58 2001 From: cruby at micron.com (cruby) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: multiple IP addresses and electronic journals Message-ID: <0FD82907AECAD21199510001FA7E7AB0101262C7@ntexchange04.micron.com> Hi! I have browsed the archives and haven't found an answer to my question so am hoping the collective wisdom of this group might have a suggestion. We offer access to approximately 25 or 30 electronic journals from a variety of publishers. The majority of these have been set up with domain access which has been working fine up until a couple of months ago when our information systems group decided to change the IP addresses for all of our locations around the world so each place has its own unique IP address or range. So now we are getting complaints from people in places like Singapore and Italy that they can't get to the full-text of the journals. Before I have to track down all the new IP address ranges and then start working with the publishers to add the addresses to our account or switch to passwords, I'd like to see if there is any way to set things up so that, say someone in Italy, can go to our library web site based in Boise and gain access to the journal contents with the Boise IP address rather than the Italy address. This would, of course, pertain only to those subscriptions that allow international access. Has anyone ever d had to do this? Would you be willing to share how you did it or where we can look for such information? Our information systems people seem to be stumped by this one. Thanks in advance for any help or advice you can provide! Carolyn Carolyn Ruby Micron Technology MS 552 P.O. Box 6 8000 S. Federal Way Boise, ID 83707 cruby@micron.com (e-mail) 208-368-4257 (voice) 208-368-3393 (fax) From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Apr 17 12:53:00 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] multiple IP addresses and electronic journals Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B376@mail1.morrisville.edu> Look into EZproxy as a solution. Information can be found at www.ezproxy.com. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Apr 17 18:58:59 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: Week 7: Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk, Reminder and Update Message-ID: <3ADE56E5@webmail2.gwu.edu> The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk Update Week 7 New and Useful Web Sites, Industry News, Full-Text Docs of Interest to the Info Professional. http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com 4/17/01 Hello from Washington! A bit early this week with the update. Wednesday, I will be traveling to New Orleans for an opportunity to speak (with Chris Sherman)at the AIIP (Association of Independent Information Professionals)conference. Now, to the content! The weekly highlight/reminder list containing just a few of the entries begins a few lines down the page. This e-mail is an abridged version of what you will find on the weblog. Please stop by throughout the week for new resources and news of interest to the information professional. Sharing --------- Please continue to let others know about the VAS&ND. Finally --------- Thanks for the continued support! If I can be of assistance, you know where to find me. Cheers, gary ---------------- Weekly Highlights #7 The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Tuesday, April 17, 2001 U.S. Courts--State & Federal--Summary Tools InstaCase.Com Genie Tyburski of The Virtual Chase alerts us to an excellent current awareness tool for court opinions in 11 state and federal jurisdictions. Airline Industry--Financial Statistics--United States Air Traffic--Statistics--United States Air Traffic and Airline Financial Statistics: Updated with New Data Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics Archives--Moving Images The Internet Moving Images Archive is Now Online http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Monday, April 16, 2001 Pulitzer Prizes--2001 Links to Pulitzer Prize 2001 Winning Material Agriculture--Images--United States History--Images--United States USDA Historical Photos >From the Site, "Most of the photographs on display in this section were taken between 1937 and 1943 during the Farm Security Administration (FSA) era. Employment--Scientists--United States Employment--Engineers--United States Doubling Up: A Profile of U.S. Scientists and Engineers Who Hold Second Jobs (NSF 01-322) Health--Statistics--Database Health--Invisible Web Ambulatory Care Drug Database System ---- Sunday, April 15, 2001 Book Reviews--Nicholson Baker's 'Double Fold: Libraries and the Assault on Paper' >From the New York Times Reviewed by David Gates -- >From the Washington Post Reviewed by Michael Dirda http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Saturday April 14, 2001 Business--CEO's--Lecture Series Streaming Media Content Captain's Of Industry Lecture Series "A series of talks [12 lectures] at the 92nd Street Y in New York sponsored by Business Week and moderated by Stephen Shepard, Business Week's editor-in-chief." All lectures can be viewed via Real Player. Information Quality--Health Medical Information--Internet Access New Term of the Day: 'Cyberchondria' Source: BBC Online Business--Rankings--United States The 2001 ed. of the Fortune 500 is Now Online (Link to Complete Package) http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Friday, April 13, 2001 Automotive Safety--Safety Rankings Web Site Update "New Rollover Ratings and New Crash Test Results Available on NHTSA's World Wide Web Site" (Summary) Investing--Database--Invisible Web Brokerages--Performance--Database Marketperform.Com >From a News.Com article, "Marketperform.com tracked the stock recommendations made by the top 48 brokerages back to February 1999. Thursday, April 12, 2001 Full-Text Document Shelf Transportation--Canada History--Canada Immigration-Canada Source: Citizen and Immigration Canada The Role of Transportation in Canadian Immigration 1900-2000 ---- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 Full-Text Document Shelf Copyright--United States--Tasini Case U.S. Supreme Court Places New York Times Co. v. Tasini Oral Argument Transcript Online ---- http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com End Week #7 Update Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian George Washington University Virginia Campus Library Gelman Library Ashburn, VA and Washington, D.C. gprice@gwu.edu Looking for Info Industry News? New Search Resources? New Web Accessible Documents? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com From rhartman at hiu.edu Tue Apr 17 19:20:51 2001 From: rhartman at hiu.edu (Hartman, Robin) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] multiple IP addresses and electronic journals Message-ID: <24DC2CD8367CD211B2B200A0C9E45B0301508229@SOLOMON> You might try something like EZproxy at http://www.usefulutilities.com I think this is supposed to do what you want. I'm trying it out right now on a 30-day trial and it seems to be doing the trick. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% Robin R. Hartman -- Systems and Technical Services Librarian Darling Library -- Hope International University 2500 E. Nutwood Ave. -- Fullerton, CA 92831 (714) 879-3901, x1212 -- FAX (714) 879-1041 rhartman@hiu.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: cruby [mailto:cruby@micron.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] multiple IP addresses and electronic journals > > > Hi! > > I have browsed the archives and haven't found an answer to my > question so am > hoping the collective wisdom of this group might have a > suggestion. We > offer access to approximately 25 or 30 electronic journals > from a variety of > publishers. The majority of these have been set up with > domain access which > has been working fine up until a couple of months ago when > our information > systems group decided to change the IP addresses for all of > our locations > around the world so each place has its own unique IP address > or range. So > now we are getting complaints from people in places like > Singapore and Italy > that they can't get to the full-text of the journals. Before > I have to > track down all the new IP address ranges and then start > working with the > publishers to add the addresses to our account or switch to > passwords, I'd > like to see if there is any way to set things up so that, say > someone in > Italy, can go to our library web site based in Boise and gain > access to the > journal contents with the Boise IP address rather than the > Italy address. > This would, of course, pertain only to those subscriptions that allow > international access. Has anyone ever d had to do this? Would you be > willing to share how you did it or where we can look for such > information? > Our information systems people seem to be stumped by this one. > > Thanks in advance for any help or advice you can provide! > > Carolyn > > Carolyn Ruby > Micron Technology > MS 552 > P.O. Box 6 > 8000 S. Federal Way > Boise, ID 83707 > cruby@micron.com (e-mail) > 208-368-4257 (voice) > 208-368-3393 (fax) > From lhudson at mail.sdsu.edu Tue Apr 17 20:01:34 2001 From: lhudson at mail.sdsu.edu (Laura Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: who is doing usability testing out there? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417162437.00a3aab0@mail.sdsu.edu> Colleagues, I'm writing an article about usability testing and I'd like to include a discussion of what's going on specifically in the library world. I know about many of the projects that are being discussed at conferences and in the literature, but I'm curious as to how prevalent usability testing is in libraries. If you have time to respond to a brief virtual interview, I'd appreciate it no end. I will summarize to the list if you respond to me privately. 1. Are you doing or planning to do usability testing for your library website? 2. What techniques did you use/do you plan to use? 3. Did you test on wire models, a preview site, or the real site? Did you test on multiple versions? 4. How did you recruit test subjects? 5. Do you have a budget for this project? 6. If you are done, did you make changes to your website based on the data? 7. What problems did you run into? Will you do it differently next time? I won't be discussing individual libraries in depth, so if you're planning to publish about your project, this won't compromise that. I'm more interested in patterns and overview. If you have other thoughts or leads, that's great. Many of you have already sent me your favorite usability resources, but if you know of library-specific resources, articles, or websites, those would be appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Laura Laura Hudson Electronic Systems and Services Librarian San Diego State University lhudson@mail.sdsu.edu phone: 619-594-3521 fax: 619-594-8982 From DobbsA at apsu.edu Tue Apr 17 21:50:14 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: A nice "big picture" summary of copyright Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91E54B@exchange.apsu.edu> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/reevaluating-copyright.html For those who don't know, Mr. Stallman is a leading proponent / agitator for open source solutions. The references & related links nicely support his position & statements (as one would expect) While his interpretations are open for evaluation, the linked sources are interesting and well worth the read. -Aaron :-)' Fiat justicia, pereat mundus From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Tue Apr 17 22:31:45 2001 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: access to electronic serials In-Reply-To: <3ADC34BB.A727D8BE@uwo.ca> Message-ID: <7062281.3196535505@localhost> --On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:26 AM -0700 Sue Shiel wrote: > What guidance can I give him in setting up this site so that > institutional subscribers can easily access this electronic edition > of the journal? Is password protection a problem for institutional > access? I would offer, "Yes" -- this is a problem for institutional access. To turn the question around: if you subscribe to a database that offers only username/password to provide access, you would have to somehow distribute that username/password to all of your users while still protecting it from getting published on the Internet for the world to know. Probably the most popular way to authorize institutions for access to web services is by IP address authentication. With most web servers, setting up IP address authorizations is just as easy as username/password pairs. I suspect the continuing maintenance for IP addresses (subscribers with changing IP address ranges) is just as much as with username/password pairs (forgotten passwords and monitoring of servers to detect compromised accounts). Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Tue Apr 17 22:20:44 2001 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:08 2005 Subject: multiple IP addresses and electronic journals In-Reply-To: <0FD82907AECAD21199510001FA7E7AB0101262C7@ntexchange04.micron.com> Message-ID: <7022507.3196534844@localhost> --On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:33 AM -0700 cruby wrote: > Before I have to track down all the new IP address ranges and then > start working with the publishers to add the addresses to our account > or switch to passwords, I'd like to see if there is any way to set > things up so that, say someone in Italy, can go to our library web > site based in Boise and gain access to the journal contents with the > Boise IP address rather than the Italy address. Bill and Robin have suggested EZproxy as a solution to your problem, and EZproxy is a good solution to the general problem of remote access to research databases. However, I think you have a more specific problem. To restate your problem, you want to find a way to funnel specific IP addresses from other libraries through an IP address at your Boise library which all of the database vendors accept as valid. Probably the easiest thing to do to solve this specific problem is to set up a generic proxy server in Boise and restrict access at that proxy server to the specific IP address ranges of your remote libraries. Just about any proxy server can be set up with those sort of restrictions (Apache, Squid, MS Proxy, etc...). You'll probably want to set up a proxy autoconfig file for all of those remote workstations so that they know about your proxy server in Boise, and you can set things up such that your Boise proxy server interceeds in connections that are going to database vendors. Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From eric_morgan at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 26 08:45:41 2001 From: eric_morgan at ncsu.edu (Eric Lease Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: mylibrary conference survey Message-ID: In an effort to gauge the interest, size, and scope of a possible conference/workshop surrounding the idea of customizable interfaces to collections of Internet resources in libraries, a MyLibrary conference survey has been created. See: http://hegel.lib.ncsu.edu/development/mylibrary/rodeo/ The survey summarizes the things mentioned on the mylib-dev and oss4lib mailing lists and asks you for specific input such as your expectations and fees if such a conference -- a MyLibrary "rodeo" -- were to take place. If you are interested in such a conference, please consider completing the survey, sharing it with your friends, and I promise to summarize the results in less than two weeks. Rest assured, there is no obligation involved here. The waters are just being tested. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From richard at goerwitz.com Thu Apr 26 08:46:27 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Nitty Gritty Apache question References: <002501c0cdcb$93927cc0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3AE818A3.3FF28842@Goerwitz.COM> Thomas Dowling wrote: > The [Apache] "RewriteRule" directive used to modify URLs without trying > to do any interpretation on them. Given a line like this in httpd.conf: > > RewriteRule ^/foo/(.*) /bar/$1 > > Any request for a URL in the /foo directory would be redirected to the > /bar directory, but nothing else would happen to the URL. > > In 1.3.19, I'm seeing Apache hex-encode characters it considers unsafe > while doing the rewrite... > > The problem is that Apache 1.3.19 considers the percent sign unsafe, so if > I request '/foo/script.cgi?%22alpha+beta%22' I get redirected to > '/bar/script.cgi?%2522alpha+beta%2522' I haven't run into precisely this problem, but I can see how it would be debilitating. Please let us know if you manage to work around the problem - and if so, how. Here are some things I'd try; no, I haven't tested these, and I would be very interested, as noted, in hearing how you solve this problem: 1) use an internal redirect, rather than an external one, RewriteRule ^/foo/(.*) /bar/$1 [R] 2) use a translation handler, like mod_alias - Alias /foo/ /path/to/bar/ 3) use mod_perl to do whatever redirects or translations you need done -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From richard at goerwitz.com Thu Apr 26 08:57:18 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? References: <200104251218.AA501940752@ansernet.rcls.org> Message-ID: <3AE81B2E.14C16A71@Goerwitz.COM> Jerry Kuntz wrote: > > In New York State, remote access authentication methods are > negotiated between the vendors and the separate library systems > that register for access. This is interesting. Let me play the adversary for a moment - Frankly, that sounds like no remote access solution at all. NY has constituent institutions negotiating authentication and author- ization with each vendor, which isn't exactly efficient or con- sistent. And each one has to negotiate remote access on its own, necessitating more individual negotiations with each vendor and/or individual and possibly redundant deployments of remote-access solutions like regular and reverse/rewriting proxy servers (some- thing many libraries don't have the systems people to support, and that those who have the systems people will now have to do redun- dantly). I'd be interested in hearing how you feel about this setup - and if I've misunderstood what's going on, please correct me, or add any details you think might interest those of us out here who are grappling with these same issues! -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Thu Apr 26 09:11:14 2001 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: <200104260911.AA497615458@ansernet.rcls.org> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Richard L. Goerwitz III" Reply-To: richard@goerwitz.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:57:54 -0700 (PDT) >Jerry Kuntz wrote: >> >> In New York State, remote access authentication methods are >> negotiated between the vendors and the separate library systems >> that register for access. > >This is interesting. Let me play the adversary for a moment - > >Frankly, that sounds like no remote access solution at all. Nonetheless, our remote patrons are getting access to State-wide licensed databases. And they don't have to do anything different than what they do to access our own licensed databases. -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org Author, KidsClick! Web Searching Skills Guide, http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/3/173.html -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Apr 26 09:33:04 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B3C7@mail1.morrisville.edu> Being a NY state resident and a public library user from time to time, the users at Jerry's library and a few other library systems around the state are getting remote access. However, I would bet that the majority of NY state residents do not have remote access. I know of many rural public libraries that simply do not have the technology or the technical know how to set up remote access. It is also important to note that the database project is currently funded by very soft money from federal grants such as LSTA. From what I understand the state has yet to put up any money for this project. Remote access has got to be part of such a project. This type of project has also got to have permanent funding from state funds. ___________________ Bill Drew - SUNY Morrisville Library BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant." -- Robert Louis Stevenson. From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Thu Apr 26 10:12:03 2001 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: iLOR takes Google a bit further In-Reply-To: <165520224823.20010423175438@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <> "iLOR Search results have many more options than regular search sites! When you pause your cursor arrow over a search result using iLOR, an option menu appears that gives you exciting, useful and easier ways to explore the results that are relevant to your search and ignore the ones that are not." http://www.ilor.com/ From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Apr 26 11:36:03 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? References: <3AE81B2E.14C16A71@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <3AE84063.E75943A7@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We have done something similar in Anaheim. By having the vendors authenticate on the range of our barcodes, it removes the administration of the process from the library staff. I don't have the proxy server, the time, or the expertise to do anything else right now. So with the vendors cooperation, we still get the remote access job done. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us "Richard L. Goerwitz III" wrote: > > Jerry Kuntz wrote: > > > > In New York State, remote access authentication methods are > > negotiated between the vendors and the separate library systems > > that register for access. > > This is interesting. Let me play the adversary for a moment - > > Frankly, that sounds like no remote access solution at all. NY > has constituent institutions negotiating authentication and author- > ization with each vendor, which isn't exactly efficient or con- > sistent. And each one has to negotiate remote access on its own, > necessitating more individual negotiations with each vendor and/or > individual and possibly redundant deployments of remote-access > solutions like regular and reverse/rewriting proxy servers (some- > thing many libraries don't have the systems people to support, and > that those who have the systems people will now have to do redun- > dantly). > > I'd be interested in hearing how you feel about this setup - and > if I've misunderstood what's going on, please correct me, or add > any details you think might interest those of us out here who are > grappling with these same issues! > > -- > > Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM > tel: 401 438 8978 From danny at calafia.com Thu Apr 26 12:02:41 2001 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] iLOR takes Google a bit further Message-ID: > "iLOR Search results have many more options than regular search sites! > When you pause your cursor arrow over a search result using iLOR, an > option menu appears that gives you exciting, useful and easier ways to > explore the results that are relevant to your search and ignore the ones > that are not." the longer review that this is from can be found here: http://searchenginewatch.com/sereport/01/04-ilor.html cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, SearchEngineWatch.com http://searchenginewatch.com From btcarver at lisnews.com Thu Apr 26 14:57:18 2001 From: btcarver at lisnews.com (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: Key Design Issues of a web site for a large research library setting Message-ID: <005f01c0ce82$c8ecb400$1e010a0a@chek.com> I am working on a presentation and I would love to hear some news ideas on what the KEY design issues are for a large research library setting. Do you think a large research library setting has unique issues not to be found elsewhere? So far I've gone at it more or less like this... 1. front end a. html / xhtml / xml b. load times / graphics / java c. site layout / Information achitecture 2. back end a. linux / unix / windows b. dynamic / static 1. different Db's c. language choices [php, asp, perl] Something like that, where everything discussed falls under either front end or backend. Most of it would focus on the front end, since when I think "DESIGN" I usually think front end stuff. So what are the specific Key Design Issues you can think of? Thanks, I'll summarize for the list if I get more than a few responses. --------------------- Blake Carver LISNews.com http://www.lisnews.com Librarian and Information Science News From danny at calafia.com Thu Apr 26 12:07:37 2001 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: iLOR takes Google a bit further In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oops, sorry -- mean to say a longer review of iLOR was at that URL, but the quote isn't from it. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Danny Sullivan Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: iLOR takes Google a bit further > "iLOR Search results have many more options than regular search sites! > When you pause your cursor arrow over a search result using iLOR, an > option menu appears that gives you exciting, useful and easier ways to > explore the results that are relevant to your search and ignore the ones > that are not." the longer review that this is from can be found here: http://searchenginewatch.com/sereport/01/04-ilor.html cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, SearchEngineWatch.com http://searchenginewatch.com From EKINNE at state.wy.us Thu Apr 26 14:38:40 2001 From: EKINNE at state.wy.us (Erin Kinney) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: Here in Wyoming, we have been doing "statewide" database access through the WYLD (WYoming Libraries Database) Network for several years. The WYLD Network includes all public libraries and community colleges, and a few other libraries (like high schools). So, anyone who had a library card from one of those libraries could access the databases, which means that any citizen could access them. The databases were paid from 60% member fees, and 40% from the Wyoming State Library (mostly LSTA monies). However, as of the 2000 legislative session, the State Library is paying for them all, and the access is truly statewide. Therefore, non-consortium members, like schools and special libraries, are able to access the databases, and receive training on how to use them. The databases are authenticated using IP recognition, which has caused some problems in the non-WYLD schools. WYLD Network members are assigned IPs from a block from the state, so there was no problem in controlling and assigning numbers for them. However, it has been difficult to obtain IP addresses from others. The WEN (Wyoming Equality Network) is the WAN for the school districts in Wyoming, including the community colleges, and the systems librarians have been working diligently with the WEN network people to make sure that we have all of the correct IPs, and to inform us when they change. For patrons not located within a library (such as at home), we used to assign passwords to the databases, and authenticate the users using their library card and PIN, and provide the passwords for each database. However, we now have a proxy server that allows the user to input the card and PIN once, and then opens up a frames page that allows the patron to bounce between databases without having to go through the process of retrieving passwords. A word on vendors: many of the vendors I have spoken with seem confused by our statewide database selection process. We here at the State Library do not presume to know what our constituents want, so we go through a long process of soliciting database suggestions, and trials, and then every library gets a vote. In a sparsely populated state, it isn't difficult to know all of the reference librarians at all 23 county libraries and the 7 community colleges. Also, trying to get pricing for a state that has a population of under 500,000 (493,782--2000 Census) is also trying. As to the impact on libraries--I have heard from many school librarians and media specialists that it has saved them, especially in the poorer or more rural school districts. However, the downside is the compromise that everyone has to make; the meeting point between elementary school librarians and college librarians, for example, and the disparities in type of databases needed to fill their mission. WYLD Network: http://www-wsl.state.wy.us/wyld/index.html GoWYLD: http://gowyld.net/ Erin Kinney Electronic Resources Librarian Wyoming State Library 2301 Capitol Avenue Cheyenne, WY 82002-0060 (307) 777-6332 http://www-wsl.state.wy.us/ ekinne@state.wy.us From gprice at gwu.edu Thu Apr 26 17:36:37 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: Update Week 8: The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk Message-ID: <3AE8C3FC@webmail2.gwu.edu> The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk Update Week 8 http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com New and Useful Web Sites, Industry News, Full-Text Docs of Interest to the Info Professional. 4/26/01 This e-mail update is an abridged version of what you will find on the weblog page. Please stop by THROUGHOUT the week for new resources and news of interest to the information professional. http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --------- Thanks for the continued support! If I can be of assistance, you know where to find me. Cheers, gary ---------------- Weekly Highlights #8 The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Thursday, April 26, 2001 Info Industry--World Book AOL and World Book Make A Deal Web Search--Multimedia "Specialized Providers Zero In On Multimedia Content" --- Wednesday, April 25, 2001 Full-Text Document Shelf (Three Items) Justice--Statistics--United States Compendium of Justice Statistics 1999 ---- Firearms--United States Survey of State Procedures Related to Firearms Sales, Midyear 2000 ---- Airports--United States Aviation Industry--United States Airport Capacity Benchmark Report 2001 ] ---- Tuesday, April 24, 2001 Energy--United States Electricity Industry--Legislation--United States Source: EIA Electric Industry Federal Restructuring Legislation Canada--Libraries National Library of Canada Site Redesigned http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Monday, April 23, 2001 Patents--United States Lists and Rankings The Technology Review Patent Scorecard 2001 Interesting Read "Search Technology Finds Its Way Into the Enterprise" Source: Computerworld E-Journals--Library Science New Peer Reviewed E-Journal: Transforming Traditional Libraries Video Search--CNN History--Video Search--CNN "CNN Video Archives to Become Digital Database" ---- Saturday April 21, 2001 Census 2000--Search Tools Invisible Web Databases Search American Factfinder By Address for Census 2000 Data http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Friday, April 20, 2001 Full-Text Document Shelf U.S. Government--Aid to States U.S. Government--Funds Source: U.S. Census Federal Aid to States for Fiscal Year 2000 ---- Thursday, April 19, 2001 Energy--Outlook--International Source: EIA International Energy Outlook 2001 Health Policy--Canada New Web Site: Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada ---- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 The Web As A Business Intelligence Tool "The Rise of Web Intelligence: How rumors, leaks, and news online have transformed the Internet's impact on business." This article was written by Moreover CEO Nick Denton. ---- http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com End Week #8 Update Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian George Washington University Virginia Campus Library Gelman Library Ashburn, VA and Washington, D.C. gprice@gwu.edu Looking for Info Industry News? New Search Resources? New Web Accessible Documents? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com From darganm at maple.iren.net Thu Apr 26 22:05:04 2001 From: darganm at maple.iren.net (Michael Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: Wireless Ethernet Message-ID: Our library is contemplating a new building with construction starting in the Fall of 2002 with completion probably in early 2004. We're looking at about 48,000 square feet and about 50 network nodes for webopacs, public, and staff Internet stations and printers. (I predict this won't be enough). We're in the midst of a heated debate. I think that wireless ethernet might well be the way to go within two years or so. Others tell me that wireless ethernet is "pie in the sky" and that to be on the safe side we should run miles of Cat 5. Are there any libraries on this list who have gone wireless? If so, are you glad you did? Or not? If you reply to me off list with Yes, No, or maybe I'll compile the answers and will publish. Amusing anecdotes and horror stories are welcome. I'm especially interested in knowing of anyone who lost his or her job because of choosing wireless. --- Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 From btcarver at lisnews.com Thu Apr 26 22:11:40 2001 From: btcarver at lisnews.com (Blake) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:12 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Wireless Ethernet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a wireless group at Yahoo!: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibWireless We also ran a story awhile back on the Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library which added some wireless, though it doesn't seem to have alot more details. It's here: http://lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20010116102227 -- Blake Carver LISNews.com Library and Information Science News http://www.lisnews.com > From: Michael Dargan > Reply-To: darganm@maple.iren.net > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:08:01 -0700 (PDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Wireless Ethernet > > Our library is contemplating a new building with construction starting in > the Fall of 2002 with completion probably in early 2004. We're looking at > about 48,000 square feet and about 50 network nodes for webopacs, public, > and staff Internet stations and printers. (I predict this won't > be enough). > > We're in the midst of a heated debate. I think that wireless > ethernet might well be the way to go within two years or so. Others tell > me that wireless ethernet is "pie in the sky" and that to be on the safe > side we should run miles of Cat 5. > > Are there any libraries on this list who have gone wireless? If so, are > you glad you did? Or not? > > If you reply to me off list with Yes, No, or maybe I'll compile the > answers and will publish. Amusing anecdotes and horror stories > are welcome. > > I'm especially interested in knowing of anyone who lost his or her job > because of choosing wireless. > > --- > Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 > Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 > Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 > > From lewisd at sunytccc.edu Sat Apr 28 11:10:20 2001 From: lewisd at sunytccc.edu (David Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:14 2005 Subject: Public Web Browser and blocking chat, email etc Message-ID: I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem. I am testing PWB 1.2.4 combined with Dan Lester's "blacklist" to block chat and email in our reference area. I have run into a problem with some but not all of our reference databases. The problem occurs after retrieveing articles from Firstsearch, Expanded Academic Index, Health Reference Center, Literature Resource Center, and EBSCO Elite databases. PWB blocks users from emailing articles to themselves while inside the database. (PWB actually blocks emailing articles to any address thus disabling the database article email function.) Proquest Direct and DIALOG@CARL with similar email capabilities are not blocked by PWB. I've looked at the blacklist and can't find any character string which would match and thus block the databases above. It also seems odd that the blocked message appears when clicking on a send button when atempting to send email. Anyone have a suggestion? David G. Lewis Librarian for Technical and Electronic Information Resources Tompkins-Cortland Community College 170 North St. P.O. Box 139 Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139 voice 607-844-8211 x4387 fax 607-844-6540 From Sandra.Ruth at lorain.lib.oh.us Sat Apr 7 17:07:14 2001 From: Sandra.Ruth at lorain.lib.oh.us (Sandra Ruth) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:42 2005 Subject: HTML editors Message-ID: <3ACF8181.4B8911C4@lorain.lib.oh.us> I like the program formerly called 1st Page 2.0. They are about to release the next version and it will be called First Page III. It is freeware and very much like Homesite. http://www.evrsoft.com/ Sandra Ruth Sandra.Ruth@lorain.lib.oh.us From goochm at kenyon.edu Thu Apr 12 09:32:46 2001 From: goochm at kenyon.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: .edu domains Message-ID: <3AD5AE7D.85A79875@kenyon.edu> In light of past discussion about assigning the .edu domains, I thought folks might be interested in this section from today's BNA's Internet Law News: VERISIGN BECOMES UNEDUCATED The Commerce Department has selected EDUCAUSE, a non-profit consortium, to replace VeriSign as the assigner of the .edu domain suffix. Education groups praised the decision, especially community colleges, which did not qualify for a .edu under the VeriSign regime. http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/036318.htm http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,43015,00.html http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/164414.html Thanks Mark -- Mark D. Gooch Librarian and Technology Consultant Olin and Chalmers Libraries Kenyon College Gambier, Ohio 43022 Voice: (740) 427-5873 FAX: (740) 427-5272 goochm@kenyon.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Apr 12 09:54:16 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: EduCause will run edu domains Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B362@mail1.morrisville.edu> This item was in today's daily report from the Chronicle of Higher Education: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY * THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE announced on Wednesday that it intends to hand over management of the ".edu" Internet domain to Educause, the academic-technology consortium. The group's first order of business will be to extend ".edu" addresses to two-year colleges. --> SEE http://chronicle.com/free/2001/04/2001041201t.htm Copyright (c) 2001 The Chronicle of Higher Education, Inc. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!" -- Author Unknown From goochm at kenyon.edu Thu Apr 12 10:15:03 2001 From: goochm at kenyon.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: The "Semantic Web" Message-ID: <3AD5B867.DDA97319@kenyon.edu> I came across this article today and I thought others might find it of interest: "The Semantic Web: A new form of Web content that is meaningful to computers will unleash a revolution of new possibilities" by TIM BERNERS-LEE, JAMES HENDLER and ORA LASSILA http://www.scientificamerican.com/2001/0501issue/0501berners-lee.html Thanks Mark -- Mark D. Gooch Librarian and Technology Consultant Olin and Chalmers Libraries Kenyon College Gambier, Ohio 43022 Voice: (740) 427-5873 FAX: (740) 427-5272 goochm@kenyon.edu From info at galwaylibrary.ie Thu Apr 12 11:11:17 2001 From: info at galwaylibrary.ie (Galway Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: xml editors: applying tags by highlighting text Message-ID: <002d01c0c362$d5780d80$8aab7dc2@pat> Hi, I wish to convert a document of free flowing text to XML. After, I have created a DTD I am hoping to apply the tags by highlighting text in the document and clicking on one of the elements permitted by the DTD. For example, with HTML, it is possible to apply the 'bold' tags by selecting text and clicking on a 'B' button. This can be done in a variety of HTML editors. Is there an XML editor that allows you to apply XML tags in the same way? I am very new to XML so any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards John Fitzgibbon Galway Public Library, Island House, Cathedral Square, Galway, Ireland. Tel. 00 353 91 562471 Fax. 00 353 91 565039 http://www.galwaylibrary.ie From smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 12 11:42:11 2001 From: smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu (Samuel Mcdonald) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] xml editors: applying tags by highlighting text In-Reply-To: <002d01c0c362$d5780d80$8aab7dc2@pat> Message-ID: Hi: I am hoping to apply the tags by highlighting text in the document and clicking on one of the elements permitted by the DTD. If you use Notetab Pro and configure a clipbook you can do this very simply. Just select the text that you want to be bracketed by a pair of tags and click on the clickbook link and voila! If you feel like doing a little bit more configuring you could have it pop up a box with several pull-downs if you wanted to configure attributes easily as well. (I recommend NoteTab Pro do to the tag coloring and enhanced scripting features, but you can start with the free version.. www.notetab.com) Note that is not an XML editor, it is text editor that is useful for doing markup. -Sam On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Galway Library wrote: > Hi, > > I wish to convert a document of free flowing text to XML. After, I have > created a DTD I am hoping to apply the tags by highlighting text in the > document and clicking on one of the elements permitted by the DTD. > > For example, with HTML, it is possible to apply the 'bold' tags by selecting > text and clicking on a 'B' button. This can be done in a variety of HTML > editors. Is there an XML editor that allows you to apply XML tags in the > same way? > > I am very new to XML so any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Regards > John Fitzgibbon > > Galway Public Library, > Island House, > Cathedral Square, > Galway, > Ireland. > > Tel. 00 353 91 562471 > Fax. 00 353 91 565039 > > http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Samuel J. McDonald smcdon@rci.rutgers.edu Webmaster http://www.libraries.rutgers.edu/ Rutgers University Libraries Voice (732) 932-7505 Alexander Library, 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1163 From LBAyre at galecia.com Thu Apr 12 11:41:18 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CD-Writable question and Patron Access computers In-Reply-To: <3AD492DF.D7F5B333@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: Richard Goerwitz wrote: > > At this point, wouldn't it make sense to start thinking about DVD > as well? I think so. In fact, we just put together systems for patron access that included a DVD, CD-RW and 100MB Zip drive. That should cover all the bases. It only cost an additional $50 to add the Zip. The systems are P3/933MHz systems with 256MB of RAM, 40GB hard drives and 21" monitors. -Lori Ayre From richard at goerwitz.com Thu Apr 12 12:15:56 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CD-Writable question and Patron Access computers References: Message-ID: <3AD5D4BC.51A80461@Goerwitz.COM> Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: > > > At this point, wouldn't it make sense to start thinking about DVD > > as well? > > I think so. In fact, we just put together systems for patron > access that included a DVD, CD-RW and 100MB Zip drive. That > should cover all the bases. Just a thought about DVDs: Most DVDs today are crippled, but not advertised as such. They can be used to save and edit home movies, digitized photos, and so on. But you can't use them to save any streamed information copyrighted by the major companies. Normally, patrons have the right to make personal copies of any media they come to the library to view/hear/see. You can copy a page out of a book by hand, if you like. Or you can photocopy the chapter it's from. Likewise, you can save tracks from sev- eral DVDs you have been listening to onto another DVD and take that DVD home. You can't go and use that DVD then as part of a distance-education course (generally single-frames and other short excerpts are thought to be okay in that context; but for personal use the rules are different). Most of the major DVD vendors, however, will only sell you crip- pled units that can't do any of this. Oh, and if you do make recordings that you want to copy protect yourself (like the big manufacturers), you can't do that either with most DVD drives. So, e.g., if you record a video presen- tation for students, and you want to press a few DVDs that can't be copied, you're out of luck. The right to make copy-protected DVDs requires writing to blocks that most DVDs can't write to. Libraries - especially ones that are part of larger institutions or who buy in quantity - should check first with the vendors who are providing them their DVD units, and make sure they come clean. They'll tell you about all the neat things you can do with the DVD units, and basically leave out the things you can't do (but have a perfect legal right to do - but which manufacturers would really like to prevent you from doing, because they think they'll make more money that way). -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Thu Apr 12 12:57:00 2001 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: Scanners Message-ID: <000901c0c371$9766c770$50acd296@baruch.cuny.edu> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Melody Danley wrote: > What I would like to know is some recommendations for a scanner that > would also provide me with the software that includes expert controls I > need for print and web. I would really like to hear from someone who is > happy with the product they're using. We've had good luck with the Epson Expression 836 which comes with a fair amount of calibration software. The machine is quiet and fast. I think the current model number is 1680. Our E-reserves people swear by their Fujitzu but then they're scanning in 1-bit color all the time so what would you expect. We also have an HP6350 which is noisy and slow and seldom used and which I'd love to chuck out of the nearest window. Perhaps for this reason, all the windows around here have been locked shut. LEO --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Robert Klein Library Web Coordinator home ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://patachon.com office ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Apr 12 13:06:11 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "His mouse button must be stuck" In-Reply-To: <003b01c0c128$aec5b8e0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: > On the server in question, almost all hits are Perl CGI scripts, so a big > part of our load problem may be abandoned Perl jobs. > > Has anyone else seen this kind of activity in their logs? Or better yet, > observed the user behavior that causes it? Thomas, I've not seen too many comments on this and I had a not totally dissimilar problem a while back. Out of curiousity, does browser type/version appear to make any difference? We had a bunch of site built perl scripts for remote access up until last year when we went w/ EZProxy software for remote access. We were using a proxy auto-config file, among other things, and patrons had to reconfigure browsers to point at the javascript .pac file. I think we finally narrowed it (maybe?) to something in IE 4.x. After we'd gone w/ EzProxy, I set the auto proxy to somefilename.pac in my browser, and watched the log file. A few errors popped up, but then they stopped, as long as I stayed on our web site. As soon as I left our web site, though, every download from another server caused an error to appear in the log file--the user appeared to be passing back through our server ea. time. Doubt this helps at all but wanted to pass it along. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From raywood at magma.ca Thu Apr 12 14:31:39 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Word & HTML In-Reply-To: <3AD4904E.9F7CC896@wfu.edu>; from tedforrl@wfu.edu on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:29:31AM -0700 References: <3AD4904E.9F7CC896@wfu.edu> Message-ID: <20010412133139.A445@magma.ca> HTML-Kit is a free (and powerful) HTML editor for Windows that has a 'Strip Word 2000 Junk' option. It seems to work quite well. Raymond On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:29:31AM -0700, Rosalind Tedford wrote: > Macromedia's Dreamweaver has a nifty little utility called "Clean Up > Word HTML" that will strip out the XML from your document. It's under > the Tools Menu. We use it all the time! I think it is a shame that in MS > Word 2000 you don't have the ability to turn off the XML feature and it > save as just plain old HTML. > > Roz From ras at anzio.com Thu Apr 12 13:37:27 2001 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: Beta testers wanted: SSH support in AnzioWin telnet client Message-ID: Hello, We are soliciting beta testers for SSH support in AnzioWin, our Windows telnet client (used in many libraries, and elsewhere). If you are interested, and have not just received my "you're on my list" message, please email me individually. The beta testing will begin May 1. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Thu Apr 12 15:21:09 2001 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: New.net: Giving you the TLD's that ICANN('T)... References: <3AD5AE7D.85A79875@kenyon.edu> Message-ID: <3AD60025.2F8B8B85@cdrewu.edu> http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42146,00.html http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42201,00.html New.net plans to offer several alternative domains (using a special browser plug in): dot-shop, dot-law, dot-mp3, dot-tech, dot-video, dot-game, dot-sport, dot-kids, dot-chat, dot-inc, dot-med and dot-family. They will also offer domains for non-US markets (dot-ltd, dot-gmbh as well as some using non-roman characters) Kind of sounds "back-doorish" to me, and the trademark dispute issues are not going away. But is this New.net domain system something that "undermines the existing Internet"? -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From cagimon at mplib.org Thu Apr 12 15:46:49 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New.net: Giving you the TLD's that ICANN('T)... Message-ID: > But is this New.net domain system something that > "undermines the existing Internet"? > > -- > Charles P. Hobbs > King Drew Health Science Library > http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl > How many people are going to install a new browser plug-in just to access the .foobar domain? --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From lytlea at oclc.org Thu Apr 12 16:21:34 2001 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: INVITATION: An Opportunity to Participate FREE in Global Knowled ge Access Management Seminar Message-ID: [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] An Invitation to Participate in Global Knowledge Access Management Registration is free; the experience is invaluable. In conjunction with the IFLA/OCLC Early Career Development Fellowship program, the OCLC Institute announces "Global Knowledge Access Management," May 2-4, 2001, on the OCLC Campus, Dublin, Ohio, USA. This seminar, a special version of our most popular seminar, "Knowledge Access Management: Tools and Concepts for Next-Generation Catalogers," takes a global look at critical issues in librarianship today. Details can be found at http://www.oclc.org/institute/events/global_kam.htm Participation in this event is free to qualified applicants who complete and submit an application form by Friday, April 20. The application form is found at http://www.oclc.org/institute/events/global_kam.htm. Participants will be selected based on their experience with global issues in librarianship, their ability to contribute substantively to the seminar, and their expectations to take specific actions following the event. Join the four IFLA/OCLC Fellows (from India, Malaysia, South Africa, and Turkey) as we identify and discuss critical issues with a global view. Seating is limited. Selected participants are responsible for expenses related to travel and lodging. The OCLC Institute has waived our normal registration fees. The seminar includes lunch on days 1 and 2 and all break refreshments. For more information contact Amy Lytle at mailto:lytlea@oclc.org or via phone at 800-848-5878 x 5212 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From davidcj at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 12 16:22:17 2001 From: davidcj at MIT.EDU (David Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: CD-Writable question In-Reply-To: <3AD47AC0.FD1FB0AE@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010412155901.02255da8@po10.mit.edu> This is a very thoughtful question! We have several libraries at MIT where database abstractions, reports, and other detailed materials are more and more available to our patrons. This is an interesting concept and I fully support any means to getting patrons to where they want to be, however, I am wondering if we would be flooded with folks doing music CD copies or software CD copies on our CD -RW burner. Would we have to somehow write code to prevent that? Would we be liable to Micro -$oft for ripped off software CD copies that show up in someone's office and is traceable somehow to our CD-RW burners? I don't see the immediate probability of a "traceable" CD copy, but I wonder when it will come about. So far, I know our Music Library has many CD's that are copy-able without any problem (many with little or no encryption to break) from original publisher's music CD's to a blank CD-R disk costing at most fifty cents. Multiply your musical interests by say 100 CD music albums and you have spent $50 to get a collection of 100 CD's, all as good as the original. This technology practically invites students (or others) to buy a burner between them and copy any and all music they want to for a combined cost of under $60 each for a sizeable collection of CD's. So why should the libraries make it even easier (and so much cheaper) for students or others to rip off the music publishing industry? I think we will take a pass on this one, and let students do what they want for a while. At this point, only a few staff have access to these within the libraries at MIT. Students and Faculty will have to buy their own burners so we wont get sued. We DO have a few ZIP drives for patrons, (100 MB of data copying is enough for now, I guess.) I don't know any really good answers. Can anyone else add to the discussion? David Johnson Library Technology Consultant MIT Libraries At 08:47 AM 04/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I was just asked a very interesting question by managment and I wanted >to get your input on this. > >Management sees the public doing quite a bit of downloading to floppy >disk (our hard-drives are blocked by System Policy Editor) and they see >the public doing more downloads in the future with video and audio >files. Should the library be investing in CD-RW drives so the public >can save files to CD instead of floppy? >-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Tom Edelblute >Public Access Systems Coordinator >Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 >500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 >Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From jschult at elmira.edu Thu Apr 12 16:53:48 2001 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New.net: Giving you the TLD's that ICANN('T)... References: <3AD60025.2F8B8B85@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: <008501c0c392$abf3d860$02898c0a@elmira.edu> This almost sounds like something Wired made up -- having someone named Bill G. involved with a .Net project that tries to extend a new monopoly over internet domain names using a browser plugin! Has the Justice Dept. heard about this? ;-) > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42146,00.html > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42201,00.html > > New.net plans to offer several alternative domains (using a special browser > plug in): > dot-shop, dot-law, dot-mp3, dot-tech, dot-video, dot-game, dot-sport, > dot-kids, dot-chat, dot-inc, dot-med and dot-family. They will also offer > domains > for non-US markets (dot-ltd, dot-gmbh as well as some using non-roman > characters) > > Kind of sounds "back-doorish" to me, and the trademark dispute issues are > not going away. But is this New.net domain system something that > "undermines the existing Internet"? > > -- > Charles P. Hobbs > King Drew Health Science Library > http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl > > ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Thu Apr 12 22:42:17 2001 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New.net: Giving you the TLD's that ICANN('T)... In-Reply-To: <3AD60025.2F8B8B85@cdrewu.edu> References: <3AD60025.2F8B8B85@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: At 12:20 PM -0700 12/4/01, Charles P. Hobbs wrote: >Kind of sounds "back-doorish" to me, and the trademark dispute issues are >not going away. But is this New.net domain system something that >"undermines the existing Internet"? It would destroy the integrity of the dns and produce a tower of babel. Cnn you imagine multiple services like this? You'd have to use the right plug in for each one. They wouldn't work for protocols that don't use a browser eg z39.50 Theer would no longer be a single dns for you to get an IP number from and you'd have to check all these Micky Mouse dns services. This is little better than a get rich quick scam. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry From jerryc at computer.net Sat Apr 14 07:59:22 2001 From: jerryc at computer.net (Jerry Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:46 2005 Subject: Job Post: IBM Librarian/Internet Reseacher Message-ID: <3AD83B99.B4D285CC@computer.net> From: Jerry Cohen Subject: [WEB4LIB] job post To: Multiple recipients of list This notice Expires: May 1, 2001 FLASH!!! LIBRARIANS WANTED Immediate contract openings for 3, 6 and 12 month (term) projects with IBM's Thomas J. Watson Reseach Center Westchester County, New York, for individuals with advanced training in Library Science. The contracted individuals will be engaged in a project developing new technology in a search-related field. This will involve working as part of a small team of programmers and librarians. IBM's T.J.WATSON RESEARCH CENTER is one of the most reknown science and technology laboratory in the world. It is known as the birthplace of the first computer and for the discovery of superconductivity. Experience working in this environment, is a sure fire "resume enhanser" Requirements for the project-based Librarian positions are: * M.S. in Library Science or closely related discipline, (or, B.S. plus 2 or more years experience). * At least 2 years experience in working with Web search engines. * Familiarity with major search engines i.e. Yahoo, Lycos, Alta Vista, Google, etc. * Experience working with Windows 95 or Windows NT. * A definite plus is any experience in constructing taxonomies or in using advanced search technologies. * Candidates must live within commuting distance of the IBM, Thomas J. Watson Research Center facility in Yorktown Heights, NY * This is a full-time contract position. Candidates must be willing to work on-site. This is not a telecommuting position. To respond, please call: (914) 723-5605 or, fax your resume to: Jerry Cohen, Recruiter at GONZER ASSOCIATES (a technical staffing firm located in Hartsdale, NY) Phone: (914) 723-5605 .... leave detailed message Fax: (914) 723-3877 Please note: All applications must be received no later than May 1, 2001 Jerry Cohen From davidcj at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 30 09:26:19 2001 From: davidcj at MIT.EDU (David Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Wireless In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B404@mail1.morrisville.e du> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010430085346.01dd93c0@po10.mit.edu> MIT DOES already have wireless access in the main reading room of one of our five major divisional libraries, the Sloan School of Management's Dewey Library. We expect to have wireless access in all five major libraries by the fall of 2001. The Institute as a whole is installing it in many areas other than libraries, (maybe even eating places). This means that the cost is negligible to the libraries. We have nothing to report on the downside so far, although our installation is less than six months operational. NOW here is my two cents worth. We have wireless in our large storage building for infrequently needed items, (some 400,000 "retrospective collection" items in a cavernous warehouse building of five floors). The building is located approximately three blocks from the main campus. We installed one or two Apple Airports on each floor and get very good results. This is a time saver for staff who can now be on-line while working the shelves in these stacks. I installed the orinoco wireless cards on PC type Dell laptops and see almost universal coverage throughout the metal shelved, steel reinforced building of approximately 25, 000 sq. ft. per each of five floors. The time saver factor, being able to get email requests while on the stack floors and respond before returning the book truck to the delivery dock will more than pay for the cost in the first year. We can also do what we could NOT do with cell phones, namely with the Airport, literally "talk" to each other with instant messaging from one PC laptop to any other computer on the domain. We could literally have a circulation or reference staff request a book from storage and get it back to the right library within an hour if we wanted to arrange services that way. For a remote storage facility with few network jacks, and few power outlets, a battery laptop and wireless is almost ideal. Although the focus of most wireless installations is largely upon patron access to services, be sure to consider how this may make your staff have an easier time of it in the stacks or anywhere. Installation of the wireless card was a 10 minute job, and the cards work all over campus, making it easy to transfer staff and have them take their computer WITH THEM, rather than re-configuring two desktops with each staf change, backing up files, etc, etc. If we put wireless services in processing and cataloging and acquisitions office areas, making staff transfers and promotions would be easier to manage from a computer management perspective, because moving bodies and computers around becomes almost a "do it yourself" activity, using wireless cards and DHCP ("leased" IP address assignments). I would be happy to hear any comments to the NEGATIVE before we at MIT move to my wireless "fantasy", for most staff computers, maybe in a year or so. David Johnson Library Technology Consultant MIT Libraries. From David at KCLIBRARY.ORG Mon Apr 30 10:02:30 2001 From: David at KCLIBRARY.ORG (David (David King)) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Dreamweaver UltraDev Message-ID: > Macromedia has just announced that UltraDev will no longer be > developed. Check the website for details. (And that only became a > Macromedia product after they bought Allaire) Are you sure about that? I went to their site and there was no announcement. A search on Google showed that Macromedia released an upgrade of ultradev for mac users on April 25. But nothing about no longer developing it. ____________________________________________________ David King | Information Technology Librarian | Kansas City Public Library david@kclibrary.org | 816-701-3461 dan Wednesday, April 25, 2001, 11:09:33 AM, you wrote: MT> Hello. MT> Anyone using Dreamweaver UltraDev (by Macromedia) to develop websites? MT> Sincerely, MT> Tom McCoy MT> http://www.newportbeachlibrary.com -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From pecautm at missouri.edu Mon Apr 30 10:05:22 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Wireless In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010430085346.01dd93c0@po10.mit.edu>; from davidcj@MIT.EDU on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 06:37:44AM -0700 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010430085346.01dd93c0@po10.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20010430090522.A21458@missouri.edu> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 06:37:44AM -0700, David Johnson wrote: > > I would be happy to hear any comments to the NEGATIVE before we at MIT move > to my wireless "fantasy", for most staff computers, maybe in a year or so. Security/Privacy is a big problem. No longer do you need access to a computer physically connected to the network. http://www.msnbc.com/news/565275.asp -Mark > > > David Johnson > Library Technology Consultant > MIT Libraries. From btcarver at lisnews.com Mon Apr 30 13:13:45 2001 From: btcarver at lisnews.com (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Wireless References: <20010430090522.A21458@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <003101c0d198$ec14e380$1e010a0a@chek.com> I'll second that security comment: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2681947,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews 01 "We found a number of ways to intercept transmissions and discover what the contents are," says Nikita Borisov, a 23-year-old graduate student at Berkeley. "We found ways to modify transmissions as they're sent. And we found ways to access the network even if it's restricted." Borisov, along with professor David Wagner and recent graduate Ian Goldberg, Friday published their findings on the Internet. http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/ --------------------- Blake Carver LISNews.com http://www.lisnews.com Librarian and Information Science News ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pecaut" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Wireless > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 06:37:44AM -0700, David Johnson wrote: > > > > I would be happy to hear any comments to the NEGATIVE before we at MIT move > > to my wireless "fantasy", for most staff computers, maybe in a year or so. > > Security/Privacy is a big problem. No longer do you need access to a > computer physically connected to the network. > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/565275.asp > > -Mark > > > > > > > David Johnson > > Library Technology Consultant > > MIT Libraries. > From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Mon Apr 30 10:38:17 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights 1:5 (May 2001) now available Message-ID: Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large 1:5 (May 2001) is now available, at http://cical.home.att.net This issue is 16 pages and includes the first full-scale informal research report in CI:CAL--"Getting Past the Arc of Enthusiasm," a report on the status of early free scholarly electronic journals. What's in the issue: * Changing Attitudes: Celebratory Notes on State Library Conferences * PC Values: May 2001 * Getting Past the Arc of Enthusiasm (the fate of early free scholarly electronic journals) * Press Watch I: Eight articles * Trends and Quick Takes: Seven items * Press Watch II: Three articles * Coyprights and Wrongs: Drawing Conclusions * Review Watch: Seven reviews in six categories Note for anyone wishing to cite past issues: once a new issue is out, the revised URL for the past issue _should_ remain stable, and I have no objection to links pointing directly to _past_ issues. In another week or so, the CI:CAL FAQ will be revised to show the pattern for past-issue URLs. (Not that anyone would normally cite anything in CI:CAL, but "Getting Past the Arc of Enthusiasm" might be an exception.) -walt crawford- From ian.winship at unn.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 11:15:49 2001 From: ian.winship at unn.ac.uk (Ian Winship) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Wireless Message-ID: <8CB72D8EAD84D411B3D600508BCF7B6C1C84D6@colorado.unn.ac.uk> > I'll second that security > comment:http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2681947, > 00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews 01 What about health hazards? Our IT people are testing wireless access at present and since the frequency they are using is the same as a microwave oven they wondered if there could be problems. I haven't looked for information yet, but is anyone aware of any hazards? Also if they decide to go for wireless they would like to run portable thin clients from a Citrix server. Anyone have any relevant experience of this? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Winship Learning Resources, University of Northumbria at Newcastle City Campus Library, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST, UK ---------------- e-mail: ian.winship@unn.ac.uk phone: 0191 227 4150 fax: 0191 227 4563 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Apr 30 11:58:19 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Wireless Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B409@mail1.morrisville.edu> Many of you may already be aware of these wireless resources. I am the moderator for the list LibWireless. It is good to see discussion of wireless here but if you are interested in a focused discussion on it, join the LibWireless list. Information on the group can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibWireless. The second resource is the Wireless Librarian at http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/. These pages are continually updated and in flux as the technology for wireless changes and improves. It includes links to articles, list of books, and a page of many libraries already doing wireless. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!" -- Author Unknown From lytlea at oclc.org Mon Apr 30 13:52:23 2001 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: Effectiveness of e-Learning: Preliminary Findings Message-ID: [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] Dear Readers: In a controlled study, students without prior training or experience in cataloging Internet resources improved their test scores from an average 51% to 86% as a result of taking the OCLC Institute's Online Library Learning course, "Cataloging Internet Resources Using MARC 21 and AACR2," according to preliminary findings by Robert Ellett. A control group with previous experience cataloging Internet resources, but who did not take the e-learning course, scored 71% on the same test. For a description of the study and additional preliminary findings, please see http://www.oclc.org/institute/. --Erik Erik Jul Executive Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From lwhyman at pacbell.net Mon Apr 30 15:32:43 2001 From: lwhyman at pacbell.net (Linda Woods Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: setting up server side includes on Netscape/IPlanet server Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010430123243.00693e4c@postoffice.pacbell.net> Hi. I am getting into the nitty gritty of setting up server side includes on our Netscape/IPlanet server. My new system administrator is willing to try and make the includes work without having to change our filename extensions to .shtml and without forcing me to move files that use them into the ssi_includes folder. Does anyone know of any documentation (for dummies) on how to set these up on Netscape servers? We found a short script that we are supposed to put into the .htaccess directory; but it doesn't seem to be working. I asked this question in March2000. I looked through the Web4Lib archives but didn't find any real solutions. The one article that was mentioned is no longer available. Thanks for any pointers. **************************** Linda Woods Hyman, MLS., MA. Pacific Bell Education First (619) 237-2020 http://www.kn.pacbell.com lwhyman@pacbell.net From pecautm at missouri.edu Mon Apr 30 15:44:58 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] setting up server side includes on Netscape/IPlanet server In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010430123243.00693e4c@postoffice.pacbell.net>; from lwhyman@pacbell.net on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:33:16PM -0700 References: <3.0.32.20010430123243.00693e4c@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20010430144458.A24077@missouri.edu> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:33:16PM -0700, Linda Woods Hyman wrote: > > Does anyone know of any documentation (for dummies) on how to set > these up on Netscape servers? We found a short script that we are > supposed to put into the .htaccess directory; but it doesn't seem > to be working. I asked this question in March2000. I looked through > the Web4Lib archives but didn't find any real solutions. The one > article that was mentioned is no longer available. What was the directive you tried in the .htaccess file? Do you get an error message, or is the directive silently fail? We use apache and this works: AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html but supposedly this is supposed to work, too: AddType text/html .html AddHandler server-parsed .html I think the syntax for Netscape servers is very similar to Apache's syntax. You may try some things that work for Apache - they may work on Netscape, too. -Mark > > Thanks for any pointers. > **************************** > Linda Woods Hyman, MLS., MA. > Pacific Bell Education First > (619) 237-2020 > http://www.kn.pacbell.com > lwhyman@pacbell.net From bmenk at ll.mit.edu Mon Apr 30 16:32:35 2001 From: bmenk at ll.mit.edu (Bobb Menk) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: setting up server side includes on Netscape/IPlanet server References: <20010430144458.A24077@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <3AEDCBE3.29358E9C@ll.mit.edu> You might try Novell's documentation at http://www.novell.com/documentation/lg/nes4nw/docui/index.html They ship what looks like a pretty straightforward version of the Netscape web server with Novell 5. Even if you're not using Novell, the usage for the various conf files and what they control should be pretty standard. The documentation is reasonably clear. Bobb Menk MIT Lincoln Laboratory bmenk@ll.mit.edu Mark Pecaut wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:33:16PM -0700, Linda Woods Hyman wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of any documentation (for dummies) on how to set > > these up on Netscape servers? We found a short script that we are > > supposed to put into the .htaccess directory; but it doesn't seem > > to be working. I asked this question in March2000. I looked through > > the Web4Lib archives but didn't find any real solutions. The one > > article that was mentioned is no longer available. > > What was the directive you tried in the .htaccess file? > Do you get an error message, or is the > directive silently fail? > > We use apache and this works: > > AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html > > but supposedly this is supposed to work, too: > > AddType text/html .html > AddHandler server-parsed .html > > I think the syntax for Netscape servers is very similar to Apache's > syntax. You may try some things that work for Apache - they may > work on Netscape, too. > > -Mark > From cagimon at mplib.org Mon Apr 30 17:00:13 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:50 2005 Subject: NetSlaves reports on Ask Jeeves Message-ID: Amusing reading for those of you with an interest in search engines, the tech, and the associated stock market foofraw: http://www.netslaves.com/comments/988384378.shtml --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From akp at eznet.net Thu Apr 19 08:23:48 2001 From: akp at eznet.net (Ann Parsons) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Intro & info Message-ID: <200104191223.FAA09838@webjunction.org> Good evening all, My name is Ann, and I received a couple of forwarded messages from this list via a friend this morning. I think I may be of some help. the messages were about resources for adaptive tech for library computers. One was about large print monitors and one was about screen readers. As a netizen who is blind and who has spent some years tracking down this sort of info, I thought I might join the list long enough to point folks in the right direction. Dunnow how long I'll stay, I belong to about fifteen lists now, and well... Now to info. the best place to obtain info on adaptive tech for public library facilities, either in University or in the public sector is through EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information) Easi is a part of the AAHE, the American Association of Higher Education. They have a fantastic web site which boasts info on adaptive equipment, plus demos, I may add. they have audio interviews with leading folks in the field in their archives, and a new one is online each Thursday evening. EASI also has several discussion lists associated with it. The first is the EASI list, a general forum for asking questions about adaptive tech in education. Perhaps more to the point for *this* list is the axslib-l list. This list is devoted to the discussion of accessibility issues which are directly involving libraries. This list may be your best bet yet. To join either the EASI or the axslib-l list send to: listserv@maelstrom.stjohns.edu In body of msg write: subscribe listname firstname lastname Please note that listname = the name of the list to which you want to subscribe. Firstname and lastname refer to your first and last names. e.g. subscribe axslib-l Ann Parsons EASI's fantastic web site is at: http://www.rit.edu/~easi A flea in your ear, not only does EASI have all that I mentioned, they also conduct excellent workshops online and in person all over the country and the world on adaptive tech. One course which might appeal to you all is their course on making web sites accessible. With the new federal regs coming out on this, you could do worse than to spend some money and take one of the courses on web design. If I can be of further assistance, please don't hesitate to write me privately. I'll probably stick around for a day or so, just to catch any list traffic sent my way, but I really, really, need to cut down on list traffic!! I'm drowning now in list mail!! Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Apr 19 08:49:08 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intro & info References: <200104191223.FAA09838@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <007101c0c8cf$3270e9a0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Parsons" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:32 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intro & info > > Now to info. the best place to obtain info on adaptive tech for > public library facilities, either in University or in the public > sector is through EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information) I'll add to this that EASI staff, including their CEO Norm Coombs and CIO Dick Banks, have been available for consulting. They know their stuff, they know the web, and they have a good grasp on the nature of library web services. OhioLINK worked with them a couple of years ago on accessibility issues in some interface designs, and it was a very positive experience for us. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jschult at elmira.edu Thu Apr 19 09:15:31 2001 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question References: Message-ID: <005801c0c8d2$cf57d0a0$02898c0a@elmira.edu> From: "Reed, Tracey" > For those interested in checking out the latest in table-less design, check > out this article: > > http://www.webmasterbase.com/article.php?aid=379 > > from the Site Point. Yes, but... Even when I look at the demo pages in a compliant browser, if the window is small (like it is on my iMac at home as a default, and probably on some laptops) the text along the top menubar starts to run together. The browser stats he uses show that 77-80% or more of users are using IE 5.x or higher, or even Netscape 6.x. Yet when you look at where those statistics come from, it is ALL from sites that are counting visitors to those sites, which are sites aimed at technology wonks or web site designers. He does add the caveat that the only stats that count for your site are stats from your site, but I don't see how he can claim any pretense to applying those statistics to "the real world" user. Finally, no-tables sounds wonderful. So when am I going to find the time to monkey with CSS, apply it to all my pages, and create two versions of all my pages, one CSS compliant, one bare bones html? All that, when what I really need to do is learn how to do database-driven pages, and figure out this XML/XHTML thing, and... Any solid advice on how to handle technostress would be welcome. Reply off-list and I will summarize. ;-) ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Apr 19 10:00:47 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question References: <005801c0c8d2$cf57d0a0$02898c0a@elmira.edu> Message-ID: <002a01c0c8d9$4a4e7c90$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Schult" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question > > > > http://www.webmasterbase.com/article.php?aid=379 > > > > from the Site Point. > > Yes, but... > > Even when I look at the demo pages in a compliant browser, if the window is > small (like it is on my iMac at home as a default, and probably on some > laptops) the text along the top menubar starts to run together. Look at the stylesheet. Absolute, pixel-based measurements continue to be a dumb idea, even if you repackage them in stylesheets. > > The browser stats he uses show that 77-80% or more of users are using IE 5.x > or higher, or even Netscape 6.x. Yet when you look at where those > statistics come from, it is ALL from sites that are counting visitors to > those sites, which are sites aimed at technology wonks or web site > designers. He does add the caveat that the only stats that count for your > site are stats from your site, but I don't see how he can claim any > pretense to applying those statistics to "the real world" user. He can claim that because it's in line with what every net-wide browser tracking service has been showing for quite some time. Sites like thecounter.com (see ) derive their figures from a large number of sites. That said, it is incumbent on every webmaster to know local browser usage and not rely blindly on external statistics like these. I know, for instance, that our main web site continues to see about 50% of its hits from Netscape 4.x--though that number dances around a lot when I look at hits of people doing "real work" on some of our other servers, and when I contrast on-campus and at-home use. > > Finally, no-tables sounds wonderful. So when am I going to find the time to > monkey with CSS, apply it to all my pages, and create two versions of all my > pages, one CSS compliant, one bare bones html? All that, when what I really > need to do is learn how to do database-driven pages, and figure out this > XML/XHTML thing, and... Maybe you should sit down with a cup of decaf and figure out how much of that you really need to master. Speaking only for myself, I've never written two versions of the same page, and I've been sprinkling CSS around since the summer of 1996: that's how CSS was designed to work. If you don't want to learn CSS, or really don't have time to do so, get an editing tool that handles it for you. Same with XML and XHTML. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Apr 19 10:18:00 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question References: <002a01c0c8d9$4a4e7c90$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3ADEF398.166F0973@tln.lib.mi.us> Jeffrey Zeldman showed how they were able to address the issue of browsers that were not compliant with CSS. You can see the "fix" here: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/journey/5.html What they ended up doing is referencing the stylesheet in a way that only CSS-2 compliant browsers would recognize the stylesheet. If a browser that doesn't support CSS or does it poorly, like Netscape 4, comes to the page, it doesn't "see" the stylesheet and renders the page in "pure" HTML. Now, if you haven't used HTML-hacks to create your page, your non-compliant visitors should still see your information in a coherent way. It just won't be as "pretty" as if they had a CSS-compliant browser. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Wateford Township Public Library Waterford, MI > > Finally, no-tables sounds wonderful. So when am I going to find the > time to > > monkey with CSS, apply it to all my pages, and create two versions of > all my > > pages, one CSS compliant, one bare bones html? All that, when what I > really > > need to do is learn how to do database-driven pages, and figure out this > > XML/XHTML thing, and... > > Maybe you should sit down with a cup of decaf and figure out how much of > that you really need to master. Speaking only for myself, I've never > written two versions of the same page, and I've been sprinkling CSS around > since the summer of 1996: that's how CSS was designed to work. If you > don't want to learn CSS, or really don't have time to do so, get an > editing tool that handles it for you. Same with XML and XHTML. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mconroy at ohionet.org Thu Apr 19 10:46:44 2001 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Web Based Training workhop May 18 WV Message-ID: <45E65FF9FB4BD3118912005004A2B8F058E8E1@ohionetmail.ohionet.org> OHIONET Workshop in Wheeling, West Virginia Web Based Training: Getting Started Instructor: Diane Kovacs Date: 5/18/01 Time: 9:30 AM-4:00 PM Location: Wheeling Jesuit College, Wheeling WV Web-based training options are being used to deliver continuing education, job training, patron instruction and even entire library degrees. In this class, Diane Kovacs, who has been designing and delivering Web-based training for library science students and information services staff for more than two years, will show how to start designing and planning your own online interactive instruction. Online conferencing, multi-media options and technology requirements for teachers and students will be discussed. You will learn how to conduct lectures and discussion over Internet, and what educational research findings recommend for good computer-based instructional criteria and effective web-based training. Web page design basics and tips will be reviewed. Lecture with demo and web activities. Audience: Anyone interested in beginning to plan, create, and deliver Web-based instruction. Experience teaching classes about Internet and some experience creating or designing web pages would be helpful. Cost: $85 Members (INFOhio schools should prepay) $105 Non OHIONET members must prepay To register: http://www.ohionet.org/Training/WorkshopDescription.asp?ID=707 Or go to www.ohionet.org Training If you have questions about registration, contact Barb mailto:barb@ohionet.org Mary Mlynar Conroy Library Services Coordinator OHIONET, 1500 West Lane Ave, Columbus OH 43221 Fax 614/486-1527 voice 800/686-8975 (OH,PA) or 614/486-2966 ext 16 mailto:mconroy@ohionet.org From Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu Thu Apr 19 11:15:08 2001 From: Robert.VanderHart at umassmed.edu (VanderHart, Robert) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Staff intranet for small libraries Message-ID: My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on the feasibility and design of a staff intranet. We have a staff of less than 40 people. There is a shared network drive that we use as a repository for library meeting minutes, projects, etc. We also have an email list that is used to inform staff on a variety of issues. And since we're a small staff, sometimes word-of-mouth is just fine for some things. Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in similarly sized libraries who have set up a staff intranet. What makes your intranet an enhancement over existing methods of information sharing among staff? Did you have to "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need an intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly appreciated. Robert J. Vander Hart Reference Librarian/Gov Docs Specialist The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From ladyhawk at well.com Thu Apr 19 11:26:06 2001 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104191526.IAA13694@smtp.well.com> Although it is a year old now, you may find some information and links of interest in the Tech Note on Intranets I wrote for the Public Library Association, at http://www.pla.org/technotes/intranet.html GraceAnne DeCandido (sig file below) VanderHart, Robert sent an e-note on 19 Apr 01, about [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries > My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on > the feasibility and design of a staff intranet. We have a > staff of less than 40 people. There is a shared network > drive that we use as a repository for library meeting > minutes, projects, etc. We also have an email list that is > used to inform staff on a variety of issues. And since > we're a small staff, sometimes word-of-mouth is just fine > for some things. > > Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in > similarly sized libraries who have set up a staff intranet. > What makes your intranet an enhancement over existing > methods of information sharing among staff? Did you have to > "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need > an intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? > > Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Reference Librarian/Gov Docs Specialist > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu > GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html All shall be well / and all shall be well and all manner of things / shall be well. Julian of Norwich From holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us Thu Apr 19 11:31:29 2001 From: holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us (Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries References: Message-ID: <3ADF04D1.37273E70@lakeland.lib.mi.us> I'm in the process of developing an Intranet or what I call our "Staff webpage". I'm planning to include staff and library board minutes, online forms, procedures and policies, dept updates and news flashes. We are in need of a booking calendar that is viewable by all but write-to by a few, this too will be included. I'm designing it in HTML and will have it as a file on our network server. Lin "VanderHart, Robert" wrote: > My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on the feasibility > and design of a staff intranet. We have a staff of less than 40 people. > There is a shared network drive that we use as a repository for library > meeting minutes, projects, etc. We also have an email list that is used to > inform staff on a variety of issues. And since we're a small staff, > sometimes word-of-mouth is just fine for some things. > > Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in similarly sized > libraries who have set up a staff intranet. What makes your intranet an > enhancement over existing methods of information sharing among staff? Did > you have to "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need an > intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? > > Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Reference Librarian/Gov Docs Specialist > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu -- Lin Light Head of Technical Services/Automation Herrick District Library 300 S. River Ave. Holland, MI 49423 llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us Voice-616.355.3727 Fax-616.355.1426 From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Apr 19 11:41:44 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries Message-ID: "VanderHart, Robert" said: > Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in similarly sized > libraries who have set up a staff intranet. What makes your intranet an > enhancement over existing methods of information sharing among staff? Did > you have to "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need an > intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? > > Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly appreciated. Hello all! While the Yakima Valley Regional Library System has more than 40 employees system wide, we have roughly 40 working only at the main library. We currently use an e-mail programme called TWIG (The Web Information Gateway). As I recall it's freeware and open sourced. The URL for the TWIG homepage is . TWIG has the ability to implement a Staff Intranet that we make use of. As a side note, we might be making a change to TWIG and moving to another programme called PHPGroupware. PHPGroupware has several advantages over TWIG. TWIG looks very good to the end user but is harder to deal with server side. Our IT Dept has to manually install updates and reconfigure to our settings everytime an update comes along. This is usually a two to three hour process if they don't get interupted. Now all of us know that IT can't do anything for more than a half hour and not get interupted. So the process usually takes longer. PHPGroupware also looks very good to the end user AND it's much easier to administer from the IT perspective. Updates can be downloaded automatically using scripts and installed very easily cutting a two to three hour project down to around half an hour, if that. I believe that the PHPGroupware package is also open sourced like TWIG. And like TWIG, PHPGroupware has the Staff Intranet feature. Their URL is . We utilize the intranet system wide not only as a means of spreading the word about something, but also as an archival method. Our policies are available 24/7/365 on the staff intranet as it can be acessed from TWIG or PHPGroupware via a web-browser. So while we use e-mail for getting the word around about new developments (new job openings, news of the library, etc.) we use the intranet as a method to access policies at any time. That way, if a patron is giving us flak over soemthing we're doing and we're doing it according to policy, we can pull up a copy of that policy for the patron to read. It's also useful for forms. I was working at a branch library when a fight between two teens broke out in the reference room. The police were called and I had to fill out an incident report. After looking around for an hour I couldn't find the copy of the incident report. However, because it's available over the staff intranet I was able to simply log in and print out a copy of a blank one. No fuss, no muss. :) Hope that helps! Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From davidt at mathforum.com Thu Apr 19 12:44:41 2001 From: davidt at mathforum.com (David Tristano) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Staff intranet for small libraries References: Message-ID: <3ADF15F9.4578762@mathforum.com> As former webmaster to a small college in a large university, I can offer this: It will only work if people *do* buy into it. They have to go to the site, read the pages, participate in the discussions. Most importantly, they have to contribute content to keep your site current. Most likely that means you need to find someone in every department who's responsible for collecting, editing and entering new info for that department -- which raises the question of what tools to use, and are they accessible to everyone, any how much HTML do people need to know. This may be easier to implement if you've got one or two dedicated webmasters, but departments still need to be responsible for the information. Good luck... David Tristano Developer The Math Forum www.mathforum.com "VanderHart, Robert" wrote: > > My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on the feasibility > and design of a staff intranet. We have a staff of less than 40 people. > There is a shared network drive that we use as a repository for library > meeting minutes, projects, etc. We also have an email list that is used to > inform staff on a variety of issues. And since we're a small staff, > sometimes word-of-mouth is just fine for some things. > > Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in similarly sized > libraries who have set up a staff intranet. What makes your intranet an > enhancement over existing methods of information sharing among staff? Did > you have to "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need an > intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? > > Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert J. Vander Hart > Reference Librarian/Gov Docs Specialist > The Lamar Soutter Library > University of Massachusetts Medical School > 55 Lake Avenue N > Worcester MA 01655 > > Voice: (508) 856-3290 > Fax: (508) 856-5899 > Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu > Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From dgrey at iupui.edu Thu Apr 19 11:46:08 2001 From: dgrey at iupui.edu (Grey, Denham C.) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Intranets and small libraries Message-ID: Robert asked about intranets for small libraries. I think the key phrases are interaction, facile annotation & "persistent conversations". Add a linear web discussion (WebCrossing?) and a Wiki for collaborative content, then start to gather issues, record promises, mine conversations for ideas, co-ordinate projects, bootstrap innovation. Share 24X7 anywhere. The key is having situated talks & learning. Invite your stakeholders into the conversations too! Spaces: http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?SharedSpaces Conversations: http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?PersistentConversation Wiki: http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?AboutWiki Denham http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?DenhamGrey From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Apr 19 11:52:08 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: CSS-2 "solution" References: <3ADEF398.166F0973@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3ADF09A8.12908642@tln.lib.mi.us> One of the benefits of a long commute is that you can turn over in your head those problems from the work day. So it was with my CSS layout problem last night. Fortunately, I had the advantage of some ideas from Thomas Dowling about how I might solve my problem. Thanks to him, I've worked out a decent solution. What I was originally trying to do was right-align a navigational table "over" the content of a menu bar that included the site ID information. While I'm sure there is an easy way to do this in CSS, Thomas helped me realized that the better way to structure those items was as 2 separate elements. The site ID information belonged in one box, aligned to the left. The navigational menu belonged in another box, aligned to the right. By keeping these items separate, I was able to have greater control over the individual elements in each box. I wrapped both boxes in a "wrapper", which provided the common background color, border, margin for both elements, ensuring that those elements displayed consistently. You can see the results here: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/concept3.htm and compare them to my original page: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/index.html I wasn't going for a duplicate of the original. After all, this is supposed to be a redesign! But, I did want to see if I could replicate some of the tables from the original. As you can see in the comparison, I think they look very similar. I looked at the original and I think I used at least 6 tables, some just for layout. Now, I have zero! I also was able to get rid of "spacer-gifs" and other hacks that I has used for layout purposes. Plus, it is simple for me to easily adjust the page layout by adjusting the style sheet. Try doing that with a tables-based layout! I did have to make one compromise. I wanted to wrap a contrasting border around the top and left side of my navigational table. That was one element that I just wasn't able to get to work in both IE6 and Mozilla. When it worked in one, it didn't work in the other or didn't display the way that I wanted it to look. I know their is a solution, it's just a matter or working it out. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From reitene at okstate.edu Thu Apr 19 12:05:40 2001 From: reitene at okstate.edu (Elizabeth A Reiten) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question Message-ID: Julia E. Schult wrote: Any solid advice on how to handle technostress would be welcome. Reply off-list and I will summarize. ;-) Please, don't just reply off-list! If you have a technique that's worked for you, please share it with everyone -- I thought I was the only one drowning rather than swimming. Beth Reiten, Librarian Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone: 405-744-9109 Email: reitene@okstate.edu From cagimon at mplib.org Thu Apr 19 12:28:35 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Browser Usage Stats Message-ID: Just for comparison, here are our brief browser (user-agent) stats for March 2001 at the Minneapolis Public Library: IE 5 Win 30461 48.4% Netscape 4 Win 13518 21.5% IE 4 Win 4992 7.9% Netscape 4 Mac 3578 5.7% IE 5 Mac 2093 3.3% These numbers are hits, not visitors, and are only counting hits from outside our network. Total was 62962. The actual number of "visitors" this represents is about 20000. Note that this leaves a good 13% or so of "Miscellaneous", a wide assortment of : older browsers, new or beta versions of browsers (almost no Netscape 6!), about 1% Netscape on Linux/Unix, robots (the most important visitors to your site), libwww-perl, Java, and other programming modules, WAP browsers, WebTV, I-Opener, Sega and other appliances/game consoles, and the truly miscellaneous left after those categories. We also have to take into account that: --these numbers represent only about 30% of the usage on our public website. Most of our usage is still coming from inside our Library, and most of that from our public Internet workstations. Our internal machines are either old machines running Netscape 4.7 or new machines (many Gates machines) running IE 5.5, all on Windows. --our INNOPAC system isn't currently set up for us to access this data (a long story which started before I arrived here). Hits to our web catalog are a large, and somewhat unknown, portion of our web service. Your numbers WILL vary from these, and of course, absolutely everything is subject to rapid change. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From Breeding at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu Thu Apr 19 13:28:07 2001 From: Breeding at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Marshall Breeding) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: lib-web-cats directory Message-ID: <3ADECBC7.1664.79D2A4@localhost> I maintain an online directory of libraries called lib-web-cats which provides links to library Web pages and OPACS as well as other information. While its public focus is as a library directory, it also serves as a research tool for tracking library automation systems. Though I make every effort to keep this directory up to date, it is an impossible task for one person. I would appreciate it if web4lib subscribers could verify that their library's listings are up to date. Those not listed are encouraged to use the form provided to submit information about their library. The site is a voluntary effort to provide what i hope is a useful service to library users and those interested in library automation. The URL for the lib-web-cats directory is: http://staffweb.library.vanderbilt.edu/breeding/libwebcats.html Libraries are welcome to link to lib-web-cats without advance permission. ----------------- Marshall Breeding Library Technology Officer Vanderbilt University 419 21st Avenue South Nashville, TN 37240 Phone: (615) 343-6094 Fax (615) 343-8834 http://staffweb.library.vanderbilt.edu/breeding breeding@library.vanderbilt.edu From dgrey at iupui.edu Thu Apr 19 12:42:10 2001 From: dgrey at iupui.edu (Grey, Denham C.) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: KM in the library Message-ID: Just to stir the pot! http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?KmLibrary Denham http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?DenhamGrey From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Thu Apr 19 12:55:56 2001 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question Message-ID: <4069E37D10D7D4118F2500805F06658F043BBD@ganymede.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Dowling [mailto:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:02 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: CSS-2 question > > > > > > > http://www.webmasterbase.com/article.php?aid=379 > > > > > > from the Site Point. > > > > > > The browser stats he uses show that 77-80% or more of users > are using IE > 5.x > > or higher, or even Netscape 6.x. Yet when you look at where those > > statistics come from, it is ALL from sites that are > counting visitors to > > those sites, which are sites aimed at technology wonks or web site > > designers. He does add the caveat that the only stats that > count for > your > > site are stats from your site, but I don't see how he can claim any > > pretense to applying those statistics to "the real world" user. > I don't know how representative our users are of the non-wonk community, but last month 74% of them were using IE 5.01+ or AOL [Netscape] 6.0. Netscape 6.0 under it's own label and Opera must be below .36% because they don't even register on the meter. This leaves us only 3-6% behind the numbers Caroll cites. This is encouraging, but there's still the other 25% we have to deal with. P.S: I've just read Charles Gimon's posting and am surprised at how different his numbers are. Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca From CHHammer at olivet.edu Thu Apr 19 13:07:33 2001 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags Message-ID: I really don't understand why font tags are deprecated. It seems to me that CSS limit and/or complicate HTML coding. To have to nest font instructions up front makes it difficult to make minor variations on one's theme that just rub my hide raw. For example: nesting font instructions inside

tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate and some I don't want a blank space in between. And then, of course, if you have many tags nested.... re:

... Grr. And then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. Ever seen what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? Oh, what fun we're having. Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu >>> Andrew Mutch 04/19/01 11:14AM >>> One of the benefits of a long commute is that you can turn over in your head those problems from the work day. So it was with my CSS layout problem last night.... ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Apr 19 13:36:45 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B39B@mail1.morrisville.edu> In the case mentioned by Craighton Hippenhammer, all you do is use an inline style for that one page. It is important to realize that deprecated tags will probably not go away. there is no real incentive for the people writing browser code to take out stuff for such tags. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From danleym at sls.lib.il.us Thu Apr 19 13:49:54 2001 From: danleym at sls.lib.il.us (Melody Danley) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Intro & info References: <007101c0c8cf$3270e9a0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3ADF2542.C9BD936A@downersgrovelibrary.org> These gentlemen came to the Suburban Library System in Illinois last year and presented a three-part series on accessability. The series was well attended from different libraries in the area. It was very useful, and certainly beneficial in increasing understanding of accessability issues. It may be worth pursuing this sort of presentation in other library systems. Melody Thomas Dowling wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Parsons" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:32 AM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intro & info > > > > > Now to info. the best place to obtain info on adaptive tech for > > public library facilities, either in University or in the public > > sector is through EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information) > > I'll add to this that EASI staff, including their CEO Norm Coombs and CIO > Dick Banks, have been available for consulting. They know their stuff, > they know the web, and they have a good grasp on the nature of library web > services. OhioLINK worked with them a couple of years ago on > accessibility issues in some interface designs, and it was a very positive > experience for us. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu -- Melody Danley Graphics and Display Coordinator Downers Grove Public Library Downers Grove, IL www.downersgrovelibrary.org From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Apr 19 13:53:20 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: Message-ID: <3ADF2610.EC5EDE40@tln.lib.mi.us> I'm sure Thomas Dowling or one of the other HTML gurus can respond better but... I don't think one can say that font tags have been deprecated since they were never a valid form of markup. They were a non-standard hack by the browser companies, Netscape was the first I think, to do what should have been done with CSS. I don't know if the tags preceeded CSS but I would guess that the browser developers were either unwilling or unable to provide CSS support properly and instead settled on the hack. Yes, CSS is probably going to require you to think more up-front about the kinds of styling that you'll apply to your documents. However, you are not required to set all of your formatting in a separately-defined style sheet. You can apply style "in-line" to address those specific style situations that come up. I know that tables have been an issue in the past but I would assume, a big leap I know, that the CSS-2 compliant browsers will provide a level of uniformity in table display that hasn't been shown in the past. As has been pointed out by others, the move to separate content and presentation is coming whether we are ready for it or not. There are many users of the Internet for whom all of that HTML mark-up for presentation means nothing or is a hinderance to their use like: * Users of hand-held devices * Users with visual disabilities * Users with slow Internet connections Is it going to be easy? No, I shudder at the idea of converting a large site to a CSS-2 compliant site. But, I know the final product will be easier to manage, more logically structured and better for all in the long run. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Craighton Hippenhammer wrote: > I really don't understand why font tags are deprecated. It seems to me that CSS limit and/or complicate HTML coding. To have to nest font instructions up front makes it difficult to make minor variations on one's theme that just rub my hide raw. For example: nesting font instructions inside

tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate and some I don't want a blank space in between. And then, of course, if you have many tags nested.... re:

... Grr. And then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. Ever seen what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? > > Oh, what fun we're having. > > Craighton Hippenhammer > Information Technology Librarian > Olivet Nazarene University > chhammer@olivet.edu > > >>> Andrew Mutch 04/19/01 11:14AM >>> > One of the benefits of a long commute is that you can turn over in your head those > problems from the work day. So it was with my CSS layout problem last night.... > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Apr 19 13:52:22 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: Message-ID: <002901c0c8f9$abefdf50$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > I really don't understand why font tags are deprecated. It seems to > me that CSS limit and/or complicate HTML coding. To have to nest font > instructions up front makes it difficult to make minor variations on > one's theme that just rub my hide raw. For example: nesting font > instructions inside

tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate > and some I don't want a blank space in between. And then, of course, > if you have many tags nested.... re:

... Grr. And > then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. Ever seen > what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? > You're answering your own question by showing how messy the HTML markup becomes when you try to make it describe presentation. You're also blaming the technology for one notably inept implementation of it (for which there are many workarounds easily found on the net). is deprecated because it is not a part of any document's structure. CSS was created as a way to have one language to describe document structure (HTML) and another to describe document appearance (CSS). This is also why

is deprecated, along with all color-related attributes, and why the HTML spec specifically discourages using to lay out documents. IMO, is both underpowered and convoluted to work with. Abandoning it allows, for example, this though process. 1. My document has 750 occurrences of something like '
  • Journal of Foo
    • '. I have to make sure that each of the 750 occurrences has all of these tags, that they're all nested properly, and that I didn't miss any end tags. 2. On reflection, I realize that I use that markup for every entry in a list of journal titles. 3. If my markup were simply '
  • Journal of Foo
    • ' I wouldn't go blind trying to edit my document. 4. My boss just asked me to change all the journal titles from bold, blue Garamond to normal weight, green Times New Roman. Now I only have to edit one or two lines in my stylesheet. 5. Hey, I also just discovered that I can fool around with the width of my list, vertical white space, background colors, small caps, margins, hanging indents, borders, images for the bullets in my list, etc. etc. 6. I also also just discovered that I can make this change simultaneously apply to all 72 documents I have that list journal titles... I have always believed that presentational HTML markup wasn't bad just because it deals with presentation, but because it's such a poor a tool for doing so. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From richard at goerwitz.com Thu Apr 19 14:03:55 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Staff intranet for small libraries References: <200104191526.IAA13694@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <3ADF288B.E815952B@Goerwitz.COM> "GraceAnne A. DeCandido" wrote: > > My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on > > the feasibility and design of a staff intranet. I've worked in several environments where one or another style of "intranet" was used (e.g., closed; partially open). These sorts of sites tend to get colonized, then abandoned (as a former co-worker of mine used to say). Typical problems include: 1) website isn't integrated into people's workflow 2) tools for updating the site aren't easy to use and aren't geared for producing similarly styled pages across a broad range of users and operating systems/browsers/tools 3) access to the site is either over-controlled (so only a few people can actually post) or under-controlled (so there are serious security holes - and mistakes or accidental deletions by a naive staffer can trash some or all of the site) 4) content is out of date, so people stop bothering to look at the site 5) discussion groups peter out and either grow stagnant (or get dominated by a few vocal people without much to offer) There are ways to help alleviate all of these problems. E.g., for (5) you can have someone regularly monitor discussion groups and clear out old/unwanted/stupid material and archive it. For (4) you can use a combination of expiration times and email noti- fication and a reasonable distribution of responsiblity for var- ious parts of the site (so that no one person gets overburdened). For (3) you just need a sensible staging mechanism with a secure system for uploading and/or updating material (either that or a very good backup system - which for an intranet is a very reason- able alternative). For (2) it's going to be critical that you agree on a standard set of content production tools and a compatible site design. Don't let the HTML geeks come up with a complex, framed site that uses multiple server-side includes, for example, and then let the actual content producers try to deal with integrating their web pages into that scheme! For (1) you need decent training, a helpful support staff, and a sense that the web can and should take over for what is often done with paper memos, notices, intra-office mail, etc. By the way, I've found that a private NNTP (news) server is a great way to handle online discussions. Netscape and IE both have NNTP clients built right in (that work). And NNTP is a well-worn and tested technology with lots of free server soft- ware to work with. I've found that it's particularly good for internal documentation and notices, because you don't have to know the first thing about HTML to use it. And right out of the box you get threading, searchability, and sortability. -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From brownp at sls.lib.il.us Thu Apr 19 14:49:13 2001 From: brownp at sls.lib.il.us (Pamela Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Fwd: [WEB4LIB] Re: Intro & info Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010419134501.00a6bec0@sublibsy.sls.lib.il.us> The opportunity Melody references was funded through an LSTA grant. For more information, please see http://www.sls.lib.il.us/infotech/accessibility/. To experience the presentations, follow the "Resources from the Seminars" link. Pamela P. Brown, Information Technology Services Director Suburban Library System 125 Tower Drive, Burr Ridge, IL 60521 direct phone: 630/734-5126; fax: 630/734-5050 >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:23 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: danleym@sls.lib.il.us >Originator: web4lib@webjunction.org >Sender: web4lib@webjunction.org >From: Melody Danley >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Intro & info >X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > >These gentlemen came to the Suburban Library System in Illinois last year and >presented a three-part series on accessability. The series was well attended >from different libraries in the area. It was very useful, and certainly >beneficial in increasing understanding of accessability issues. It may be >worth pursuing this sort of presentation in other library systems. > >Melody >-- >Melody Danley >Graphics and Display Coordinator >Downers Grove Public Library >Downers Grove, IL >www.downersgrovelibrary.org >Thomas Dowling wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann Parsons" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:32 AM > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Intro & info > > > > > > > > Now to info. the best place to obtain info on adaptive tech for > > > public library facilities, either in University or in the public > > > sector is through EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information) > > > > I'll add to this that EASI staff, including their CEO Norm Coombs and CIO > > Dick Banks, have been available for consulting. They know their stuff, > > they know the web, and they have a good grasp on the nature of library web > > services. OhioLINK worked with them a couple of years ago on > > accessibility issues in some interface designs, and it was a very positive > > experience for us. > > > > Thomas Dowling > > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Apr 19 15:42:03 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Large screen monitors for public computers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B388@mail1.morrisville.edu> References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B388@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <8159503133.20010419134203@riverofdata.com> Hi Bill, We have a couple of 21 inch monitors in our public area. In addition to being helpful for the visually impaired (which includes me, I have a 21 in office and at home), they're great for when a librarian is showing a small group of students something at one time (you know, the two or three students working together on a project, etc.). We buy Micron PCs so we get Micron monitors. Unless you get (unnecessarily) high end with Sony Trinitrons or something, I think that whatever brand you normally use will be just fine. That is based on comments from others that I know with large monitors. If you're worried, try to look at one in operation in a store or somewhere. dan Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 8:18:04 AM, you wrote: DB> We are looking to purchase a couple of large screen monitors for public use DB> at stations set up for the visually impaired. Any suggestions or special DB> considerations that need to be taken into account? Anyone have any DB> suggestions as to particular models or sizes? The monitors must work with DB> IBM desktop computers. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From plum at ulink.net Thu Apr 19 16:11:20 2001 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: <002901c0c8f9$abefdf50$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <003b01c0c90c$e8713e20$23378ed1@shapeshi> Just playing the Devil's (font tag's) advocate: Re: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" ... > 4. My boss just asked me to change all the journal titles from bold, blue > Garamond to normal weight, green Times New Roman. Now I only have to edit > one or two lines in my stylesheet. But with "edit/replace" it's not any harder to change all the font tag's face and color values. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Apr 19 16:16:04 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: <002901c0c8f9$abefdf50$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> <003b01c0c90c$e8713e20$23378ed1@shapeshi> Message-ID: <01f901c0c90d$903341d0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Just playing the Devil's (font tag's) advocate: > Re: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Dowling" > ... > > 4. My boss just asked me to change all the journal titles from bold, blue > > Garamond to normal weight, green Times New Roman. Now I only have to edit > > one or two lines in my stylesheet. > > But with "edit/replace" it's not any harder to change all the font tag's > face and color values. > In a hundred (or a thousand, or a million) documents? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From cagimon at mplib.org Thu Apr 19 14:40:15 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags Message-ID: > > > To have to nest font instructions up front makes it difficult to > > make minor variations on one's theme that just rub my hide > > raw. > > If it's minor, use an inline style for those one or two > exceptions. If you have lots of exceptions, you may want to > ask yourself why you need so many exceptions. > > > For example: nesting font instructions inside

    > > tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate and some I > > don't want a blank space in between. > > Why would you want to have paragraphs handled differently? > This raises more questions about the structure of your > documents than it answers. Nevertheless, in standard CSS1, > you should be able to define two or more classes of paragraph > with different margin settings, wihch ought to handle what I > think you're talking about here. It won't work in Netscape 4, > but I can't emphasize enough: this is because Netscape 4 is > horribly broken in this respect. > > > And then, of course, if > > you have many tags nested.... re:

    ... Grr. > > And then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. > > CSS, if properly implemented, solves these issues. > > > Ever seen what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? > > Netscape 4's CSS implementation was coded by the famous > billion monkeys at a billion typewriters. That anything works > at all is probably sheer coincidence. IE 5, well, I refuse to > call it "the best"--let's call it "the least screwed up". > > A world where CSS was properly implemented in all popular > browsers would be a nice world to live in, indeed. But for > that to happen, Netscape 4 must die, die, die. For a start, at least. > > --Charles Gimon > Web Coordinator > Minneapolis Public Library > > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Apr 19 16:21:11 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B39D@mail1.morrisville.edu> TRy doing edit/replace across 1000 webpages. That is how big our web has gotten at SUNY Morrisville College Library. Bill Drew From plum at ulink.net Thu Apr 19 16:23:31 2001 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B39D@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <006501c0c90e$9acfab00$23378ed1@shapeshi> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew, Bill" > TRy doing edit/replace across 1000 webpages. That is how big our web has > gotten at SUNY Morrisville College Library. Yes, I realized that as soon as I hit send. From jahb at lehigh.edu Thu Apr 19 16:32:30 2001 From: jahb at lehigh.edu (Jennifer Heise) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: <003b01c0c90c$e8713e20$23378ed1@shapeshi> Message-ID: <3ADF4B5E.5288C2CE@lehigh.edu> Nancy Sosna Bohm wrote: > > Just playing the Devil's (font tag's) advocate: > Re: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Dowling" > .. > > 4. My boss just asked me to change all the journal titles from bold, blue > > Garamond to normal weight, green Times New Roman. Now I only have to edit > > one or two lines in my stylesheet. > > But with "edit/replace" it's not any harder to change all the font tag's > face and color values. Depends. Suppose you use Garamond for other things in the document? Suppose your editor does Bold and font face=garamond color=blue sometimes and Bold font color=blue face=garamond sometimes? Jenne, who is going to tackle putting proper Cite tags in her bibliography whenever she feels strong enough to handle all the replace/no replace repetitions. -- / Jennifer Heise, Helpdesk/Librarian, Lehigh Univ. Information Resources \ \ Fairchild-Martindale Library, 8A Packer Ave, Bethlehem PA 18015 / Phone (610) 758-3072 Email: jahb@lehigh.edu "Comment is free, but facts are on expenses." -- Tom Stoppard From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Apr 19 16:57:30 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: Message-ID: <3ADF513A.9164707F@tln.lib.mi.us> Charles isn't far off the mark about CSS in Netscape 4. Here's an interesting article that explains why that is: http://css.nu/articles/About-JSSS.html In some ways, it's amazing that CSS works at all in Netscape 4. There's no reason to wait for the death of Netscape 4 to implement CSS. Mozilla, Netscape 6, and IE 6 are largely standards compliant. The various flavors of IE 5.x have decent levels of support with some bugs and the various other browsers like Opera are getting there. Plus, you can implement CSS without "breaking" Netscape 4. Last time I checked the server logs, there were still people visiting with Netscape and IE 3!! If you're going to wait until Netscape 4 dies, it might be a while! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Gimon, Charles A" wrote: > > Netscape 4's CSS implementation was coded by the famous > > billion monkeys at a billion typewriters. That anything works > > at all is probably sheer coincidence. IE 5, well, I refuse to > > call it "the best"--let's call it "the least screwed up". > > > > A world where CSS was properly implemented in all popular > > browsers would be a nice world to live in, indeed. But for > > that to happen, Netscape 4 must die, die, die. For a start, at least. > > > > --Charles Gimon > > Web Coordinator > > Minneapolis Public Library > > > > > > From dbeer at japl.lib.in.us Thu Apr 19 17:13:37 2001 From: dbeer at japl.lib.in.us (Dixie Y. Beer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Large screen monitors for public computers In-Reply-To: <8159503133.20010419134203@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010419160904.02faab40@mail.japl.lib.in.us> Agreed. I have a 21 inch monitor that Voc Rehab got for me after a stroke left me with homonymous hemianopsia (a visual cut of everything left of center with swirls, flashes, and weird visual things in the *good* right field and shimmering in the *bad* field). It is big enough that I can focus on it without exhaustion and I would imagine that it would be a good size for other visual impairments also. Dixie At 12:45 PM 4/19/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Bill, > >We have a couple of 21 inch monitors in our public area. In addition >to being helpful for the visually impaired (which includes me, I have >a 21 in office and at home), they're great for when a librarian is >showing a small group of students something at one time (you know, the >two or three students working together on a project, etc.). > >We buy Micron PCs so we get Micron monitors. Unless you get >(unnecessarily) high end with Sony Trinitrons or something, I think >that whatever brand you normally use will be just fine. That is based >on comments from others that I know with large monitors. If you're >worried, try to look at one in operation in a store or somewhere. > >dan > > >Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 8:18:04 AM, you wrote: > >DB> We are looking to purchase a couple of large screen monitors for >public use >DB> at stations set up for the visually impaired. Any suggestions or special >DB> considerations that need to be taken into account? Anyone have any >DB> suggestions as to particular models or sizes? The monitors must work with >DB> IBM desktop computers. > >-- >Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com >3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA >www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com Dixie Y. Beer Systems Administrator Jackson County Public Library Seymour, IN 47274 Telephone: 812-522-3412 ext. 226 mailto:dbeer@japl.lib.in.us (library) mailto:dyb@hsonline.net (home) From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Thu Apr 19 17:29:06 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Large screen monitors for public computers Message-ID: It might be worth noting a little something about the "extravagance" of Sony Trinitron 21" displays... Dan, as far as I can tell, the only 21" display that Micronpc *sells* is a Trinitron (a Sony tube, doubtless in a Micronpc case). At least that's what their Web site shows as of today. The same goes for Dell: the only 21" (20" viewable) on their Website is a Trinitron. I'm guessing that Sony offers Dell, Gateway, and Micron volume prices that, combined with reliability, make them the preferred vendor for big screens. Looking at the three most popular models of 21" display from NECX, the "non-Trinitron" ViewSonic is all of $50 cheaper than the cheaper Sony model. Not that Sonys can't be higher-priced at times (and, given my experience with durability/engineering, quite possibly worth it), but in this case there's a good chance that you're buying a Sony-built tube whether you think so or not. (If it says "San Diego" as the point of manufacture on the back, I'd almost bet on it; Sony builds a lot of displays in California.) Other than price, the only negatives about 20"-viewable (21") displays I can think of are that they're heavy and huge. Certainly worth it where large type is needed. (On the other hand, so-called 19" displays cost a _lot_ less and are a _lot_ smaller...but the 21" units do offer 23% more display space, 192 square inches compared to 156.) (Note: you can't get away from the heavy-and-huge unless your library has a big endowment. A 20" LCD screen will set you back a bundle, probably $3,000 or more.) -walt crawford- From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Apr 19 17:44:20 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas M G Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B39D@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Well I couldn't resist, although a valid point was brought out in example if you have multiple font tags with different attributes this would not be feasible, a program named BK ReplaceEm is a search and replace tool that lets you choose a file extension and a directory to replace text in all files that have the chosen extension. You may also choose to include all sub directories below the chosen directory. I don't feel this is a better choice over CSS-2 but this is a useful tool if you have need for such. The program also allows you to save each occurrence as a file set. You can have multiple search and replacements in one file set. And, you can have it save the original files to a backup directory in case you've made a replacement which shouldn't have been replaced. BK Replacement (BK Bill Klein) http://www.orbit.org/replace/ The download is 572kb and can be run from a floppy, there are no dll files installed outside of its own directory. Best of all, this is freeware. Note: Since I have found Edit Pad http://www.jgsoft.com I haven't used ReplaceEm because I haven't needed to do a search and replace over multiple directories since our WEB site moved to a new server a few years ago (static rather than relative URLs of the domain had to be changed). Edit Pad is a replacement for notepad that lets you open files larger than 50k and do search and replace on the current file being edited or over all open files. A group of files can be dragged from Windows Explorer into the editor to open multiple files or you can open one at a time. You can also add any file type to the open file menu in the 'file of type' drop down box. Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags TRy doing edit/replace across 1000 webpages. That is how big our web has gotten at SUNY Morrisville College Library. Bill Drew From bradzo at ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 19 17:48:29 2001 From: bradzo at ozemail.com.au (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: odd URL Message-ID: <009b01c0c91a$79e901a0$24dd25cb@bonzo> Hi all I received a message the other day from a friend that had this link sent to him in an email. The email came from a site thanking him for sending the site some pornography - (even though he didn't). He asked my advice on what it did, but I don't have a clue.... Please don't try the URL - I'm not sure of what it does - please read on...... http://3286560814/uzlet/just99/r_l.html It didn't work when I tried it either, but my ISP's cache returned the following error: ================================================== The following error was encountered: Unable to determine IP address from host name for 3286560814.nt.com.au ================================================== The original URL does not have the nt.com.au bit !! What concerns me is that I am running Windows NT, and I live in Australia (the nt and au parts) ...... So why did the cache return the nt.com.au bit? What could the original URL have possibly achieved? Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Regards Brad Thomas Braddon Computing Services enquiries@braddoncs.com.au bradzo@ozemail.com.au From jahb at lehigh.edu Thu Apr 19 17:47:11 2001 From: jahb at lehigh.edu (Jennifer Heise) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags References: Message-ID: <3ADF5CDF.5DADBA24@lehigh.edu> Er. Why wouldn't you use P Class="whatever" for different kinds of paragraphs rather than making whole paragraphs bold or whatever? Craighton Hippenhammer wrote: > > I really don't understand why font tags are deprecated. It seems to me that CSS limit and/or complicate HTML coding. To have to nest font instructions up front makes it difficult to make minor variations on one's theme that just rub my hide raw. For example: nesting font instructions inside

    tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate and some I don't want a blank space in between. And then, of course, if you have many tags nested.... re:

    ... Grr. And then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. Ever seen what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? > > Oh, what fun we're having. > > Craighton Hippenhammer > Information Technology Librarian > Olivet Nazarene University > chhammer@olivet.edu > > >>> Andrew Mutch 04/19/01 11:14AM >>> > One of the benefits of a long commute is that you can turn over in your head those > problems from the work day. So it was with my CSS layout problem last night.... > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* -- / Jennifer Heise, Helpdesk/Librarian, Lehigh Univ. Information Resources \ \ Fairchild-Martindale Library, 8A Packer Ave, Bethlehem PA 18015 / Phone (610) 758-3072 Email: jahb@lehigh.edu "Comment is free, but facts are on expenses." -- Tom Stoppard From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Apr 19 18:02:17 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Hours of use of a 24x7 live reference service Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB041363C0@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> I'm the evaluation consultant for the Ready for Reference service, a collaborative 24x7 live reference service being piloted by eight academic libraries in the Alliance Library System in Illinois. This pilot project has been funded by an LSTA grant from the Illinois State Library. The project uses the LSSI software. I've been looking at Ready for Reference usage data, and have compiled some information on the times of day the system is used. I don't recall having seen this kind of info before, and I assume that many of you might be interested. As I mention below, I consider this to be pretty preliminary right now, i.e., nothing to base operational/policy decisions on at this point. If enough people are interested, I will periodically update these data and post to the list. Also, if you have done an "hours of use" summary for your live reference service, I'd really like to hear from you. Some disclaimers/info before I go any farther: 1. These data are based on 176 user-initiated live reference sessions from a roughly two-week period from March 28 through April 12. 2. Times are Central Time (US). I'm not sure that really makes much of a difference, but I figured someone might ask the question anyway. :-) 3. These data on hours of use represent the use of the Ready for Reference service in the early stages of the project. The usage patterns represented below may well change as the number of sessions increases, and as more people begin to use the service. 4. These data are based on the end time of each session. It is probable that a number of these sessions spanned the boundaries of the time slots (i.e., beginning shortly before the end of one slot, and ending shortly after the beginning of another). Here's the hours-of-use breakdown for March 28 through April 12: * 45.88% of the sessions occurred between 8AM and 5PM * 29.41% of the sessions took place between 5PM and 10PM * 13.53% of the sessions happened between 10PM and 12AM * 9.41% of the sessions were between 12AM and 2AM * 0% of the sessions were between 2AM and 5AM * 1.76% of the sessions took place between 5AM and 8AM Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Apr 19 18:11:47 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] odd URL Message-ID: Brad Thomas said: > Hi all > > I received a message the other day from a friend that had this link sent to > him in an email. The email came from a site thanking him for sending the > site some pornography - (even though he didn't). He asked my advice on what > it did, but I don't have a clue.... > > Please don't try the URL - I'm not sure of what it does - please read > on...... > > http://3286560814/uzlet/just99/r_l.html > > It didn't work when I tried it either, but my ISP's cache returned the > following error: > > ================================================== > The following error was encountered: > Unable to determine IP address from host name for 3286560814.nt.com.au > ================================================== > > The original URL does not have the nt.com.au bit !! > What concerns me is that I am running Windows NT, and I live in Australia > (the nt and au parts) ...... > So why did the cache return the nt.com.au bit? > What could the original URL have possibly achieved? > > Any answers would be greatly appreciated. > I ran a simple tracert scan on the number and it came back that it was tracing a route to business.matav.hu Checking that address in a browser came back with a 404 error. However, there is a Matav.hu at www.matav.hu However it's not in English and I'm not sure what language it is. Certainly it's not one I speak. HOWEVER, if you enter www.matav.hu/uzlet/just99/r_l.html you get redirected to a porn site. Hope that helps! Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From pecautm at missouri.edu Thu Apr 19 18:22:03 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] odd URL In-Reply-To: <009b01c0c91a$79e901a0$24dd25cb@bonzo>; from bradzo@ozemail.com.au on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:54:22PM -0700 References: <009b01c0c91a$79e901a0$24dd25cb@bonzo> Message-ID: <20010419172202.A2201@missouri.edu> Looks like an obscured url. http://www.pc-help.org/obscure.htm The hostname is business.matav.hu. On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:54:22PM -0700, Brad Thomas wrote: > Hi all > > I received a message the other day from a friend that had this link sent to > him in an email. The email came from a site thanking him for sending the > site some pornography - (even though he didn't). He asked my advice on what > it did, but I don't have a clue.... > > Please don't try the URL - I'm not sure of what it does - please read > on...... > > http://3286560814/uzlet/just99/r_l.html > > It didn't work when I tried it either, but my ISP's cache returned the > following error: > > ================================================== > The following error was encountered: > Unable to determine IP address from host name for 3286560814.nt.com.au > ================================================== > > The original URL does not have the nt.com.au bit !! > What concerns me is that I am running Windows NT, and I live in Australia > (the nt and au parts) ...... > So why did the cache return the nt.com.au bit? > What could the original URL have possibly achieved? Your ISPs proxy tried to resolve it (the dword address) as the hostname. Your ISPs domain must be nt.com.au, so when it tried to resolve it, it just tacked that on the end. Nothing too strange about that. -Mark From ctuckerr at stmarys-ca.edu Thu Apr 19 17:24:46 2001 From: ctuckerr at stmarys-ca.edu (Caleb Tucker-Raymond) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags In-Reply-To: <006501c0c90e$9acfab00$23378ed1@shapeshi> Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew, Bill" > > TRy doing edit/replace across 1000 webpages. That is how big our web has > > gotten at SUNY Morrisville College Library. > > Yes, I realized that as soon as I hit send. > > BBEdit (for Mac, and not the Lite version), will do a find and replace (and also more complicated greps and regular expressions) on a folder and its contents, including nested folders. I should hope there is a windows-based text editor that does similar things. Of course, searching 1000 documents and changing every instance of a font tag takes a lot longer than changing a global. I don't mean to belabour the point, but for those of us not working with CSS yet who need to make mass edits, it's well worthwhile. Also worthwhile is using headers, footers and navbars in plain old HTML, either as a template you slap a body of text into, or as server-side includes. These too, then, can be found and replaced when necessary. Caleb T.-R. Elec. Sys. Libn. St. Marys. Col. Ca. From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Thu Apr 19 18:28:02 2001 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: odd URL Message-ID: Daniel Messer wrote ------ : I ran a simple tracert scan on the number and it came : back that it was : tracing a route to business.matav.hu Checking that : address in a browser came : back with a 404 error. However, there is a Matav.hu : at www.matav.hu However : it's not in English and I'm not sure what language it : is. Certainly it's not : one I speak. .hu is Hungary -- perhaps www.matav.hu is a host for websites? Babelfish @ altavista doesn't translate hungarian .. does anyone know of a site that does? Ian Chan Librarian Seattle Central Community College (206) 587-6336 http://www.sccd.ctc.edu/~cclib/ http://www.seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan/ From dbarclay at library.tmc.edu Thu Apr 19 19:00:24 2001 From: dbarclay at library.tmc.edu (Donald A. Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: Questia Update Message-ID: I know that Questia has been discussed on this list in the past, so I thought list members might be interested to know about an article that appeared in the <> last week. The article reported that after spending some 110 million in venture capital, Houston-based Questia has 1,000 paying subscribers. The rabidly pro-Houston, pro-business <> tried to put a good spin on things by reporting that Questia has put most of its money into its product and is only now beginning to seriously market Questia to the college crowd, but I doubt any sane person would run out and invest in Questia after reading this article. The article reported that one of Questia's marketing strategies is to give undergrads at four mega-universities free access to Questia. Of course undergrads at mega-universities already have free access to more e-resources than they know what to do with, so I question the wisdom of this ploy. But who knows? Maybe Questia will become the McDonalds and Coca Cola of online information and will be sitting in the amen corner when they bury the last academic library? Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- Texas Medical Center Library Houston, Texas 77030-2809 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Thu Apr 19 18:55:20 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: odd URL Message-ID: "Chan, Ian" said: > > Daniel Messer wrote ------ > : I ran a simple tracert scan on the number and it came > : back that it was > : tracing a route to business.matav.hu Checking that > : address in a browser came > : back with a 404 error. However, there is a Matav.hu > : at www.matav.hu However > : it's not in English and I'm not sure what language it > : is. Certainly it's not > : one I speak. > > > .hu is Hungary > -- perhaps www.matav.hu is a host for websites? > Babelfish @ altavista doesn't translate hungarian .. does anyone know of a > site that does? Good lord it is the end of the day isn't it? I should have figured that out on my own! Thanks! :) Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From merchant at LATECH.EDU Thu Apr 19 18:57:48 2001 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags In-Reply-To: <01f901c0c90d$903341d0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010419175022.02044b40@vm.cc.latech.edu> > > But with "edit/replace" it's not any harder to change all the font tag's > > face and color values. > > > > >In a hundred (or a thousand, or a million) documents? With HTML Assistant PRO 2000 (even 97) you can multiple file search and replace over hundreds of documents at a time. It's been a life-saver many times over for me. Used it for many different scenarios, including to replace maito links of a webmaster who has left (no, the organizeations didn't have a generic webmaster email addy). And I've used it to change font tags and even to remove font tags. I try to use a combo of style sheets and font tags, to maximize cross-browser, but it's been a slow move toward adding style sheets but progressing. But I will admit that the more I work with CSS, the more I like CSS TTFN, David From sreymer at uswest.net Thu Apr 19 19:03:45 2001 From: sreymer at uswest.net (Suzanne Reymer) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: odd URL Message-ID: <200104192303.QAA06104@webjunction.org> Matav is the Hungarian phone company. Before you get too impressed with my Hungarian prowess, I must confess that I merely clicked on the English option provided. Apparently, they're fairly liberal about what type of sites they'll host, or perhaps they're just unaware. Suzanne 4/19/01 4:13:18 PM, "Daniel Messer" wrote: >Brad Thomas said: > >> Hi all >> >> I received a message the other day from a friend that had this link sent to >> him in an email. The email came from a site thanking him for sending the >> site some pornography - (even though he didn't). He asked my advice on what >> it did, but I don't have a clue.... >> >> Please don't try the URL - I'm not sure of what it does - please read >> on...... >> >> http://3286560814/uzlet/just99/r_l.html >> >> It didn't work when I tried it either, but my ISP's cache returned the >> following error: >> >> ================================================== >> The following error was encountered: >> Unable to determine IP address from host name for 3286560814.nt.com.au >> ================================================== >> >> The original URL does not have the nt.com.au bit !! >> What concerns me is that I am running Windows NT, and I live in Australia >> (the nt and au parts) ...... >> So why did the cache return the nt.com.au bit? >> What could the original URL have possibly achieved? >> >> Any answers would be greatly appreciated. >> > >I ran a simple tracert scan on the number and it came back that it was >tracing a route to business.matav.hu Checking that address in a browser came >back with a 404 error. However, there is a Matav.hu at www.matav.hu However >it's not in English and I'm not sure what language it is. Certainly it's not >one I speak. > >HOWEVER, if you enter www.matav.hu/uzlet/just99/r_l.html you get redirected >to a porn site. > >Hope that helps! > >Dan >-- >Mondai wa >The subject in question... >------------- >Daniel Messer >Technologies Instructor >Yakima Valley Regional Library >dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us >509-452-8541 ext 712 >102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 >----------- >When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. > -Hunter S. Thompson > > > > ************************************** Suzanne Reymer Statewide Technology Librarian Montana State Library c/o Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings, MT 59101 MT Toll free: (888) 826-0837 Phone: (406) 255-0729 Fax: (406) 255-0732 Email: sreymer@uswest.net *************************************** From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Apr 19 19:43:45 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: E-resource products lists In-Reply-To: <3ADF288B.E815952B@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: Does anyone know if there are websites available that to any degree whatsoever provide a "union list" of subscription databases and/or other electronic resources available from info vendors? Thanks in advance. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From cagimon at mplib.org Thu Apr 19 13:36:21 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 "solution" and Font Tags Message-ID: > To have to nest font instructions up front makes it difficult to > make minor variations on one's theme that just rub my hide > raw. If it's minor, use an inline style for those one or two exceptions. If you have lots of exceptions, you may want to ask yourself why you need so many exceptions. > For example: nesting font instructions inside

    > tags: what if I want some paragraphs separate and some I > don't want a blank space in between. Why would you want to have paragraphs handled differently? This raises more questions about the structure of your documents than it answers. Nevertheless, in standard CSS1, you should be able to define two or more classes of paragraph with different margin settings, wihch ought to handle what I think you're talking about here. It won't work in Netscape 4, but I can't emphasize enough: this is because Netscape 4 is horribly broken in this respect. > And then, of course, if > you have many tags nested.... re:

    ... Grr. > And then let's put some of the text in a table. Oh, goody. CSS, if properly implemented, solves these issues. > Ever seen what the differences are there between Netscape and IE? Netscape 4's CSS implementation was coded by the famous billion monkeys at a billion typewriters. That anything works at all is probably sheer coincidence. IE 5, well, I refuse to call it "the best"--let's call it "the least screwed up". A world where CSS was properly implemented in all popular browsers would be a nice world to live in, indeed. But for that to happen, Netscape 4 must die, die, die. For a start, at least. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From melinton at sbc.edu Fri Apr 20 12:23:56 2001 From: melinton at sbc.edu (Liz Linton) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: digital library lists Message-ID: <3AE06297.FC1A7F20@sbc.edu> Are there any mailing lists for digital librarians or digital library issues? Please respond directly to me instead of the list. Thank you! -- Liz __________ Liz Linton melinton@sbc.edu Electronic Serials Librarian Sweet Briar College 804-381-6315 From lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us Fri Apr 20 12:56:17 2001 From: lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us (Lelia Nichols) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: Headphones References: <8219E51779D7D311AF8B00805FA64FB23B8F68@NWL_WOR> Message-ID: <000901c0c9ba$d5382360$168ad5c6@victoria.lib.tx.us> Clorox is used to kill everything!! I once worked in a daycare...........and clorox was used to kill everything imaginable, including lice. Daycare workers are required to have 30 hours of trainings a year; and medical health care is part of their training. Lelia A. Nichols Senior Computer Lab Assistant Victoria Public Library 361-572-6867 lnichols@victoria.lib.tx.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Greek To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Headphones > I saw your message regarding headphones and lice. Have you found any > medical evidence that the Clorox wipes will kill headlice on contact? > > Thank you, > > Jeff Greek > Technology Trainer > Worthington Libraries From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Fri Apr 20 13:14:21 2001 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: In defense of paper... References: <3ADDF353.5647E058@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3AE06E6D.B4108C5C@cdrewu.edu> This is mostly about microfilming newspapers instead of keeping the paper copies, but the sentiment undoubtedly applies to digitization as well, in some circles.... http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/10/arts/10KAKU.html?searchpv=site10 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/07/arts/07PAPE.html (Part of the "two week" archive, so might not last too long for free) -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV Fri Apr 20 13:12:09 2001 From: Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV (Andrea.Cheney@USPTO.GOV) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] digital library lists Message-ID: <487A732F6DE872438FCB621D869E8D935546E0@uspto-is-108.uspto.gov> Actually, please reply to the list. I'd like to know what is out there also. --andrea Andrea Cheney Electronic Resources Librarian United States Patent and Trademark Office Scientific and Technical Information Center Information Access and Management Branch 2021 S. Clark Place Crystal Plaza 3, Suite 2C06 Arlington, VA 22202 703-308-6099\fax: 3485 andrea.cheney@uspto.gov > -----Original Message----- > From: melinton@sbc.edu [SMTP:melinton@sbc.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:07 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: [WEB4LIB] digital library lists > > Are there any mailing lists for digital librarians or digital library > issues? Please respond directly to me instead of the list. > > Thank you! > -- Liz > __________ > Liz Linton > melinton@sbc.edu > Electronic Serials Librarian > Sweet Briar College > 804-381-6315 From phenriksen at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 13:53:34 2001 From: phenriksen at earthlink.net (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Headphones In-Reply-To: <000901c0c9ba$d5382360$168ad5c6@victoria.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420131419.00aaaec0@mail.earthlink.net> My replies to various comments, none of which have offended me: 1. For those of you *not* in public libraries with Gates Foundation computers: These computers have an extension cord for the headphones and a splitter(?) so that two headphones can be plugged in to each computer. They require mini-plugs. We were sent 8 headphones for the four computers. We keep these headphones plugged in all the time, and, if people don't want to use them, they just stay at the back of the computer tables. (Therefore, there's no handing them to patrons involved, signing them out, or even talking about them, unless patrons ask. That's efficient for the circulation staff.) 2. The plastic sandwich bags are to keep the *headphones* clean. It is the responsibility of the patrons to ask for new sandwich bags if they're concerned about cleanliness. That saves work for the circulation clerks and keeps them from having to make decisions about when, how much, etc. And relieves them of the burden of guilt if someone gets germs, lice, or anything else. It also protects the material the headphones are made of. 3. The library that used the alcohol "towelettes" also gave the patron responsibility for cleaning the headphones. If the patron didn't care, then he/she didn't have to do anything. If they were concerned, *they* did the work. Again, that saves work for the circulation clerks. 4. Rubbing alcohol contains a *lot* of water. I wouldn't want to wet the headphones over and over with alcohol. 5. I consider it very bad service to respond to a patron who voices concern about cleanliness by saying "then bring your own headphones." If a patron has come to the library searching for information, and the best source happens to be on the internet and includes sound, I feel as if we are under obligation to make that resource available to the patron, whatever it takes. (We don't require that patrons bring their own magnifying glass for reading small print, either.) Phalbe Henriksen From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Fri Apr 20 14:03:24 2001 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Large screen monitors for public computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a very informative experience about six months back which taught me a lot about display technology. We'd been complaining to Apple about the poor resolution on a batch of iMacs we'd received. Now Apple is very proud of the iMac display, and perhaps a little defensive. Our complaints went straight to the head of their display engineering dept., who sent out one of their engineering consultants to look over our problems. It happens that the guy they sent was the former head of the division, now retired, but working as a consultant to Apple. The tech was very affable and spent a long time demonstrating and explaining the features of different displays. He had a special scope which allows him to see and measure individual pixels in relation to each other. To give you an idea, each pixel looked about the size of a dime when viewed through this scope. We had several other displays on our bench when he was here -- including a Dell Trinitron and a 19" Viewsonic -- and he spent time examing and comparing these to the iMac and talking to us about the advantages and features of each. Interestingly, the Trinitron display doesn't show as pixels, but as vertical lines. The Trinitron system uses a system of fine wires to distinguish the image elements, instead of the dots most other displays use. The tech explained that this gives a sharper appearing image, at least initially. Over time, however, the wires warp and move and the image quality decays over the life of the monitor. The real surprise of the session was how impressed the tech was with the 19" Viewsonic. He kept going back to it with his scope, saying, "I can't believe how good this looks!" We'd already bought quite a few Viewsonic monitors in our Library and folks like them a lot. It was nice to have technical corroboration to our untechnical preference. I bring this up because I've always wondered whether Sony lives up to its reputation. It seemed to me that there was some kind of halo effect that lead people to assume that the little extra, sometimes a lot extra, was somehow justified. I'm not saying that the Sony displays aren't good but they may not be that much better than other models and may not be worth the extra expense. -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz BTW, the tech also determined that the iMac displays we were complaining about did not meet Apple's specs, and were in fact faulty. From davidt at mathforum.com Fri Apr 20 15:18:28 2001 From: davidt at mathforum.com (David Tristano) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: digital library lists Message-ID: <3AE08B84.D39BF116@mathforum.com> There is the IFLANET Digital Libraries Research discussion list. IFLANET info: http://www.ifla.org/II/diglib.htm David Tristano Developer The Math Forum / MathDL From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Apr 20 14:46:15 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Large screen monitors for public computers Message-ID: With regard to Lee Jaffe's posting...I'm not sure I buy what the tech said, but I also wouldn't argue with Lee or with ViewSonic. I don't argue that ViewSonic doesn't make good displays; I'm sure they do. Well, actually, they don't make _CRTs_. There are only about half a dozen CRT manufacturers for computer displays--Sony, Mitsubishi, NEC, Hitachi, and maybe one or two others. And it's the CRT the tech was talking about. In fact, ViewSonic does sell aperture-grille displays [Trinitron/Diamondtron] as well as shadow-mask displays ("dot" CRTs). Don't know about the aging. The two tensioning wires that are the visible flaw on every 17"-21" Trinitron should prevent that warping, but what do I know? I've used five-year-old Trinitron displays that are as crisp as ever (and >10-year-old Trinitron TV sets, but those use a coarser image structure anyway). Every CRT ages. I've used four-year-old shadow-mask displays that were nearly useless--and older ones that were fine. I was really just saying that the Trinitron "premium" is trivial on very large displays, and that there are a lot more Sony CRTs out there than you might think, being sold under any number of brand names...and that, in _my_ experience and to my taste, they're superior displays. As always, your mileage may vary. I get nervous about displays that are a _lot_ cheaper than the brand names because I tend to think they've cut corners on the support electronics and power supplies--and probably used the cheapest CRTs they could buy, longevity and focus be damned. ViewSonic is not a cheapo manufacturer; they're a name brand with a reasonably long track record. -walt crawford From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Apr 20 14:50:57 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Headphones Message-ID: Phalbe Henriksen said: > 4. Rubbing alcohol contains a *lot* of water. I wouldn't want to wet the > headphones over and over with alcohol. This is true, and if they're the same headphones we use in our Gates labs they have an earpiece consisting of a sort of plastic over foam cover that give the headphones a look and feel similar to crepe paper, but much stronger. I wouldn't want to wet that down with alcohol over and over again either. Yet some others have proposed using Clorox wipes to do the same thing and I don't know if I'd want to wet down that foam substance again and again with Clorox as well. Now don't get me wrong. Those Clorox wipes are a godsend! I use them around the house all the time and they have probably shaved close to an hour off the time it takes me to clean the whole house because I don't have to use a spray bottle and a rag anymore. I just don't know if either would be good for those headphones on a regular basis. But if I had to choose, the Clorox wins. > > 5. I consider it very bad service to respond to a patron who voices concern > about cleanliness by saying "then bring your own headphones." If a patron > has come to the library searching for information, and the best source > happens to be on the internet and includes sound, I feel as if we are under > obligation to make that resource available to the patron, whatever it > takes. (We don't require that patrons bring their own magnifying glass for > reading small print, either.) I believe it was I who made the original suggestion about a patron bringing their own headphones. I did not intend to sound like one should force a patron to bring their own phones to the library. My original suggestion was to keep all the headphones behind a desk or in a cabinet or such like when they aren't in use. If a patron comes in and needs headphones to use them on the Gates computers, you lend them out to him/her. You could even check them out on their library card if you wanted to make sure you got them back. When they are done, they bring them back to the person in charge and that person cleans the phones with whatever the library deems necessary. I understand if a circ staff member doesn't want to deal with this and that's up to the individual library. The main thrust of the suggestion, which I admit probably didn't come across all too clearly, was that if a patron is THAT worried about headphone sanitation, one could point out that they are quite welcome to bring their own. That's all. :) Regards to all! Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Fri Apr 20 15:35:18 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] digital library lists In-Reply-To: <3AE06297.FC1A7F20@sbc.edu> References: <3AE06297.FC1A7F20@sbc.edu> Message-ID: That would be DIGLIB, "A discussion list for digital libraries researchers and librarians": http://www.ifla.org/II/lists/diglib.htm. You can browse the archive from 1995 to the present. Roy At 10:06 AM -0700 4/20/01, Liz Linton wrote: >Are there any mailing lists for digital librarians or digital library >issues? Please respond directly to me instead of the list. > >Thank you! >-- Liz >__________ >Liz Linton >melinton@sbc.edu >Electronic Serials Librarian >Sweet Briar College >804-381-6315 From bernies at uillinois.edu Fri Apr 20 16:20:14 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB041363E6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide central funding for access to full text databases for all the state's residents. Programs like LiLI in Idaho (http://www.lili.org/), Pioneer in Utah (http://pioneer.lib.ut.us/), Indiana's Inspire (http://www.inspire-indiana.net/), and the Kentucky Virtual Library (http://www.kyvl.org/) are just a few examples of such programs. Other programs offer widespread access to a segment of a state's library community, e.g., the Illinois Digital Academic Library (http://www.idal.illinois.edu/) offers centrally funded full text databases to faculty, staff and students at 150 Illinois colleges and universities. Projects like these have been going on for a number of years now, and I am curious about how the availablity of such "free" full text resources has impacted local library electronic resource selection, and how it has impacted the way full text database aggregators do business. I'd really be interested in hearing from librarians and vendors about how the availablity of "free" full text resources has changed the electronic resources landscape. Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From cbailey at UH.EDU Fri Apr 20 17:12:22 2001 From: cbailey at UH.EDU (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:36 2005 Subject: Version 36, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography Message-ID: <0GC400KW504ELX@Post-Office.UH.EDU> Version 36 of the Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography is now available. This selective bibliography presents over 1,320 articles, books, electronic documents, and other sources that are useful in understanding scholarly electronic publishing efforts on the Internet and other networks. HTML: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.html Acrobat: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.pdf Word 97: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.doc The HTML document is designed for interactive use. Each major section is a separate file. There are live links to sources available on the Internet. It can be can be searched using Boolean operators. The Acrobat and Word files are designed for printing. The printed bibliography is over 100 pages long. The Acrobat file is over 340 KB and the Word file is over 450 KB. The bibliography has the following sections (revised sections are marked with an asterisk): Table of Contents 1 Economic Issues* 2 Electronic Books and Texts 2.1 Case Studies and History 2.2 General Works* 2.3 Library Issues* 3 Electronic Serials 3.1 Case Studies and History* 3.2 Critiques 3.3 Electronic Distribution of Printed Journals* 3.4 General Works* 3.5 Library Issues* 3.6 Research* 4 General Works* 5 Legal Issues 5.1 Intellectual Property Rights* 5.2 License Agreements* 5.3 Other Legal Issues* 6 Library Issues 6.1 Cataloging, Identifiers, and Metadata* 6.2 Digital Libraries* 6.3 General Works* 6.4 Information Conversion, Integrity, and Preservation* 7 New Publishing Models* 8 Publisher Issues* 8.1 Electronic Commerce/Copyright Systems* Appendix A. Related Bibliographies by the Same Author Appendix B. About the Author The HTML document also includes Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources, a collection of links to related Web sites: http://info.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepr.htm The resources directory includes the following sections: Cataloging, Identifiers, and Metadata Digital Libraries Electronic Books and Texts Electronic Serials General Electronic Publishing Images Legal Preprints Preservation Publishers SGML and Related Standards Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Systems, University of Houston, Library Administration, 114 University Libraries, Houston, TX 77204-2000. E-mail: cbailey@uh.edu. Voice: (713) 743-9804. Fax: (713) 743-9811. http://info.lib.uh.edu/cwb/bailey.htm From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Fri Apr 20 17:56:16 2001 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Impact of statewide database deals? In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB041363E6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At this public library in North Carolina the state's NCLive program has made some impact on the electronic resources we normally buy but it's not been as big as we had hoped. We had hoped to substantially reduce our expenditures for electronic resources but in fact we have only been able to eliminate two of our own subscriptions. NCLive has been a wonderful supplement to the resources we acquire on our own but it has not replaced them. Phillip B. Whitford Braswell Memorial Library 344 Falls Rd, Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Impact of statewide database deals? It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide central funding for access to full text databases for all the state's residents. Programs like LiLI in Idaho (http://www.lili.org/), Pioneer in Utah (http://pioneer.lib.ut.us/), Indiana's Inspire (http://www.inspire-indiana.net/), and the Kentucky Virtual Library (http://www.kyvl.org/) are just a few examples of such programs. Other programs offer widespread access to a segment of a state's library community, e.g., the Illinois Digital Academic Library (http://www.idal.illinois.edu/) offers centrally funded full text databases to faculty, staff and students at 150 Illinois colleges and universities. Projects like these have been going on for a number of years now, and I am curious about how the availablity of such "free" full text resources has impacted local library electronic resource selection, and how it has impacted the way full text database aggregators do business. I'd really be interested in hearing from librarians and vendors about how the availablity of "free" full text resources has changed the electronic resources landscape. Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From jkb at ix.netcom.com Fri Apr 20 18:32:21 2001 From: jkb at ix.netcom.com (Jim Barrentine) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:37 2005 Subject: Web Server Accelerator Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010420183129.025df220@popd.ix.netcom.com> I just read a review (in PC Mag, April 24) of a device called a device called a Alacritech 100x4 Quad Port Server Adapter. Apparently this thing is a NIC card on steroids. If offloads all TCP/IP processing from the NT box as well as provides up to 4 100 meg ports for network attachment. The article claimed a 100% performance improvement in HTTP gets for an NT box with this card installed. This thing costs $700, so it would be a gonga deal if it really did double web server capacity. Anybody got any experience with this thing? See http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2708579,00.html for the article. Jim James K. Barrentine Information Partners, Inc. Technology Solutions for Libraries 2697 Euclid Hts. Blvd. Suite 3 Cleveland, OH 44106-2828 216-371-2415 (voice) 216-932-4980 (fax) mailto:jkb@ix.netcom.com From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Fri Apr 20 18:39:06 2001 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a staff of about 30 and also have e-mail, shared network resources, e-mail lists, bulletin boards, and word of mouth but we have found the staff Intranet useful. Ours is very simple. The browsers on staff computers point to the Intranet home page were there are links to the staff directory, personnel policy manual, frequently used web addresses, and our catalog. Many of our staff use Outlook Web Access for their e-mail so there is a link to that as well. There is also a link to a computer help page with basic computer tips, contact information for the automation vendor, a list with descriptions of the canned reports available on the automation system, and a web form staff use to advise me of any computer problems. We are in the process of adding a supply requisition form. While I'm the only one who updates the page anyone can suggest additions or changes. We often have links to photos of staff events or library functions. The photos and links to often used web sites were how I got the staff used to using the pages. Since the staff computers nearly always have a browser running the Intranet is at the staff's fingertips all the time and so it gets used. The web form for computer help has been very well received since it's much easier and quicker than logging onto their e-mail account. I recommend you look at how your staff works and how much computer access they have. When we had only one PC per department the Intranet would not have been very useful. But now the staff has ready access to PCs, and the staff uses them for so much, it's become an important communications channel. I also recommend you solicit input from your users and unless you have lots of free time, start off simply with a few things you know the staff will use. Once they start using it ask what else they want to see there. Phillip Whitford Braswell Memorial Library Rocky Mount, NC Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of VanderHart, Robert Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Staff intranet for small libraries My library's web technical group is beginning discussions on the feasibility and design of a staff intranet. We have a staff of less than 40 people. There is a shared network drive that we use as a repository for library meeting minutes, projects, etc. We also have an email list that is used to inform staff on a variety of issues. And since we're a small staff, sometimes word-of-mouth is just fine for some things. Given that, I would be interested in hearing from others in similarly sized libraries who have set up a staff intranet. What makes your intranet an enhancement over existing methods of information sharing among staff? Did you have to "sell" your staff ("We've already got email, what do we need an intranet for?") on the idea of an intranet? Any ideas, suggestions, or examples would be greatly appreciated. Robert J. Vander Hart Reference Librarian/Gov Docs Specialist The Lamar Soutter Library University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue N Worcester MA 01655 Voice: (508) 856-3290 Fax: (508) 856-5899 Email: Robert.VanderHart@umassmed.edu Web: http://library.umassmed.edu From richard at goerwitz.com Fri Apr 20 20:05:29 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:51:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Impact of statewide database deals? References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB041363E6@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3AE0CEC9.2755A71F@Goerwitz.COM> "Sloan, Bernie" wrote: > > It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide > central funding for access to full text databases for all the > state's residents. I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote access? And what about the issue of authentication? -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From edonnell at usgs.gov Tue Apr 24 07:58:41 2001 From: edonnell at usgs.gov (Erin P Donnelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web page help Message-ID: Mary, I pulled your pages into Front Page 2000 and found your fs_history.html page for the frameset has the title listed as: Orcas Library — Useful Links: Law You said your rollover link didn't work for Law. However, it seemd to work fine on my IE 5.5. I hope this helps. Erin Ms. Erin P. Donnelly U.S. Geological Survey Library Email: edonnell@usgs.gov Cartographic Information Services Voice: 703.648.6226 950 National Center, 1C204 Fax: 703.648.6373 12201 Sunrise Valley Drive URL: Reston, VA 20192 http://library.usgs.gov/ Mary Pugh Sent by: cc: web4lib@sunsite.be Subject: [WEB4LIB] web page help rkeley.edu 04/23/2001 09:29 PM Please respond to mpugh I am really brand new to web page design and would appreciate help with the page http://www.orcaslibrary.org/fs_history.html I basically copied another frame set and changed the text. I did rename the page properties and the frame set properties. As you can see the page's title still list the original file I copied, "Law". I can't find where to make the correction. I have checked the original history file and the frame set file trying to locate the word "law" within the code and I just can't find it. Also no matter what I do the rollover link for "Law" in the list will not work. What am I not doing? Mary Pugh Orcas Island Library District Network Administrator 500 Rose Street 360.376.4985 Eastsound, WA 98245 360.376.5750 fax www.orcaslibrary.org (See attached file: Orcas Library Useful Links Law.url) ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From schang at bridgew.edu Tue Apr 24 09:32:58 2001 From: schang at bridgew.edu (Chang, Sheau-Hwang) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: Articles on Web e-resources management and web usability study Message-ID: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E750502AD981E@mailhost.bridgew.edu> Dear colleagues, Two articles might be of interest to you: 1. Davidson, Bryan H. (2001) "Database driven, dynamic content delivery: providing and managing access to online resources using Microsoft Access and Active Server Pages," OCLC Systems & Services, v. 17, no. 1, pp: 34-40. Bryan is the Webmaster and Electronic Products Librarian of the University of Arkansas. In his article, he presents an efficient model to manage and deliver the University of Arkansas Library's electronic subscription services using Microsoft Access database software and an ASP scripting method . 2. Roca, Joan and Nord, Roland. (2001) "Usability study of the MnLINK Gateway," OCLC Systems & Services, v.17, no.1, pp:26-33. Dr. Roca is the Interim Dean for Library Services and a professor at Minnesota State University, Mankato and Dr. Nord is a professor of Technical Communication in the English Department at Minnesota State University, Mankato. They present a two-phase usability study on the MnLINK Gateway. Their article is focused on a phase I study. The results of the study are also discussed. The Gateway is implemented with OCLC SiteSearch software. Sincerely, Sheau-Hwang Chang Editor of OCLC S&S, Librarian Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 E-Mail: schang@bridgew.edu From janicem at camden.lib.nj.us Tue Apr 24 10:15:46 2001 From: janicem at camden.lib.nj.us (Masud-Paul, Janice) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: P.O.s for domain registration Message-ID: Greetings, We would like to register our library's domain name. However, most companies expect that you will use a credit card or moneywire to pay for this service. Does anyone know of a company that accepts purchase orders for domain registration? Thanks in advance. -Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Janice Harding Masud-Paul Supervisor, Information Technology Camden County Library System Voorhees, NJ 08043 janicem@camden.lib.nj.us (856) 772-1636 x 3336 (856) 772-6105 (Fax) From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Tue Apr 24 10:18:12 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: Word of Mouse browser? Message-ID: <005e01c0ccc9$65156e50$4a0eb8cc@ucpl.lib.mo.us> Greetings, Has anybody checked this out: http://www.psdonline.com/wom/DownloadSetup.asp ? It sounds quite a bit like the Teamsoftware Public Browser project, but they don't have much info up about it. Mike Novak Technology Coordinator University City Public Library From dhamilto at wlu.ca Tue Apr 24 10:42:13 2001 From: dhamilto at wlu.ca (Don hamilton) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: session recorder Message-ID: Hi all. I can't seem to come up with the right set of keywords to find a program that will track keystrokes and mouse clicks during a 20 to 30 minute web site usability test, then play the session back for analysis. I guess it's a macro recorder of some sort that I want, but I'm not sure. Are there any recommendations out there? Don Hamilton (mailto:dhamilto@wlu.ca) Information Technology & Cybrarian by Osmosis Wilfrid Laurier University Library Waterloo, Ontario, Canada 519-884-0710x3336 fax:519-884-8023 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Apr 24 10:47:15 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web page help References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423180334.00ab7e60@libserver.orcaslibrary.org> Message-ID: <00f301c0cccd$c1597040$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > I am really brand new to web page design and would appreciate help with the > page http://www.orcaslibrary.org/fs_history.html You're new--I'll be gentle. :-) The pages you copied show a number of problems, which I'm sure were present in the site you copied them from. First, I encourage you to consider why you're using frames. There is legitimate dispute in the area, but most developers will tell you that frames are usually not a good solution, and some (myself included) will say that they are never a good solution. If you're determined to use frames, there are good reasons to include complete elements. Second, both the frames in your home page use CSS absolute positioning like there's no tomorrow. Unfortunately, they do so in a way that entirely disregards what might happen to the page under high screen resolutions. As a result, some users will see lines of text overwriting each other. Third, a lot of smaller-scale problems will be cleared up when you validate your pages. The HTML Tidy utility from <URL:http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/> will help you get there, and the WDG Validator at <URL:http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/> will get you the rest of the way. Before you start designing framesets and working on rollovers, I recommend a solid grounding in HTML structural markup and CSS basics. I'd recommend the guides at http://www.htmlhelp.com/. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Tue Apr 24 12:14:53 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] P.O.s for domain registration In-Reply-To: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E385784@APP_SERVER> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104240907380.24280-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Masud-Paul, Janice wrote: > Greetings, > We would like to register our library's domain name. However, most companies > expect that you will use a credit card or moneywire to pay for this service. > Does anyone know of a company that accepts purchase orders for domain > registration? Thanks in advance. -Janice Janice, You can go to www.internic.net for list of approved companies that will register your name. And you might want to check out networksolutions.com. They were one of the first when the Internet went commercial and are in some way a commercialization of one of the original DNS orgs -- *IF* I remember correctly. netorksolutions.com has a "Business Account Program" where they will invoice you within x days, I believe. More info is at: http://networksolutions.com/en_US/help/payments.jhtml John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From rickpe at seq.clan.lib.ri.us Tue Apr 24 12:49:09 2001 From: rickpe at seq.clan.lib.ri.us (Richard Payette) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] session recorder References: <NDBBKECJALJFNGKFPEOJMEMCDGAA.dhamilto@wlu.ca> Message-ID: <3AE5AE84.5A82E14F@seq.clan.lib.ri.us> Microsoft Camcorder might do the job. Its a utility included with Office 97. Camcorder captures all keystrokes, mouse clicks and screens, and then saves them to an AVI movie file. On the Office 97 Professional CD, the installation program (CAMCORDR.EXE) is located in the \valupack\mscam directory. More information is available on Camcorder in MS Knowledge Base article Q159561: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q159/5/61.asp?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=q159561&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=W98 Hope this helps. -- Richard J. Payette Technical Support Specialist Cooperating Libraries Automated Network 600 Sandy Lane, Warwick, RI 02886 Phone: 401-738-2200/X302 rickpe@seq.clan.lib.ri.us http://www.clan.lib.ri.us > Hi all. I can't seem to come up with the right set of keywords to find a > program that will track keystrokes and mouse clicks during a 20 to 30 minute > web site usability test, then play the session back for analysis. I guess > it's a macro recorder of some sort that I want, but I'm not sure. Are there > any recommendations out there? From lhudson at mail.sdsu.edu Tue Apr 24 13:17:55 2001 From: lhudson at mail.sdsu.edu (Laura Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:28 2005 Subject: usability testing survey Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010424101418.00a20540@mail.sdsu.edu> Dear Colleagues, Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about usability testing. Below is a summary of answers. They don't always add up to the total because some people gave more than one answer for a question and others didn't answer every question. Of course, I thought of tons of follow-up questions as I read these, but I know you all have jobs to do ; ) Best, Laura Hudson 1. Are you doing or planning to do usability testing for your library website? Have done-5 Have done and plan to do again soon-2 Are doing now-1 Planning-3 No-1 Interesting ideas/comments: *One person wondered how any library staff finds time for this kind of a project 2. What techniques did you use/do you plan to use? Surveys-3 Verbal protocol method-1 Focus groups-3 Individual interviews-1 Task-oriented usability testing-7 Competitive review-1 Heuristic evaluation-2 Card sorting-3 Verbal protocol method-1 Feedback forms-1 Interesting ideas/comments: * Survey that lists 27 services/tools and asks users to rank top 10 * Number of subjects varied from 6-20 3. Did you test on wire models, a preview site, or the real site? Did you test on multiple versions? Current site-6 Other sites (e.g. other libraries)-2 Live prototype-6 Multiple versions-2 4. How did you recruit test subjects? enticements Free food-2 Gifts (gift certificates, t-shirts, copy cards, etc.)-4 method Through classes-2 Librarian contacts-3 Posters/flyers-2 University announcements/newsletter-2 Volunteers from B.I. sessions-1 People who work in the library-2 Advertise in student residences-1 Advertised in website-1 Interesting ideas/comments: * One faculty member offered extra credit to students who participated in tests * One library only tested freshmen; several tested both faculty and students but noted a difficult time in recruiting faculty 5. Do you have a budget for this project? Sort of (piecemeale.g. enough for pizza and videotapes)-5 No-5 Grant funds-1 6. If you are done, did you make changes to your website based on the data? Yes, a bunch-5 Not yet, but are planning to-4 7. What problems did you run into? Will you do it differently next time? Would offer money to subjects/recruitment difficult-4 Would do more PR-1 Would try for more top-level buy-in-1 Time consuming-4 Would not have webmaster do testing-1 Ethics board approval difficult and slow-2 Would change questions/tasks-1 Analyzing data was difficult-1 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Apr 1 08:10:02 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Apr 01 Message-ID: <200104011210.f31CA2B30371@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS April 01, 2001 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listserv@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from the listserv reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." 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If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From mkp at pdl.plymouth.lib.mi.us Sun Apr 1 15:40:39 2001 From: mkp at pdl.plymouth.lib.mi.us (Kathy Petlewski) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: Electronic White Boards Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10104011536530.28497-100000@pdl.plymouth.lib.mi.us> We will be purchasing an electronic white board to use in our training room to help with our Internet searching class. I have to submit a proposal this week and have not been able to find reviews comparing the Smart Board, Team Board and Ibid. Do any of you own one of these products and are you satisfied with its performance? Any help would be appreciated. Kathy Petlewski Electronic Resources Librarian Plymouth District Library Plymouth MI 48170 From LBAyre at galecia.com Sun Apr 1 15:04:02 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Technology Consultants In-Reply-To: <000801c0ba4c$13c2fac0$5291c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCAEKCCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> Hillary, This has been something that has mystified me as well. As a library technology consultant, I would like to find these directories so I can list myself in them! But after many exhaustive searches, these two are the only online listings I've been able to find. http://acqweb.library.vanderbilt.edu/acqweb/pubr/opac.html http://www.libraryhq.com/consultants.html Libraries seem to use technology consultants provided by the vendors (which doesn't seem like a good idea to me in terms of finding someone objective)or from personal referrals (a much better idea, if you have contacts who can help you). There seems to be a world of "library building consultants" and I seem to recall finding such a list on the ALA website once, but no list of "library technology consultants." That said, I would be happy to have you pass my name along especially for anyone pursuing digitization projects as that is one of my areas of expertise. More info about my company can be found at http://www.galecia.com/clients/libraries.html. Lori Bowen Ayre Library Technology Consultant The Galecia Group www.galecia.com LBAyre@galecia.com (707) 763-6869 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of HTheyer Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Technology Consultants After teaching one technology based workshop, what I was asked the most for was a list of library technology consultants that could be hired by libraries. I went all over ALA's site, nothing I could find. Books are great, but I need names addresses and such. Does anyone know of such a list, or one for California alone? Thanks, Hillary Theyer From LBAyre at galecia.com Sun Apr 1 15:09:09 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Digital Library Consortia and Digital Collections In-Reply-To: <5D5ED9DBE60FD4118EA600D0B74450D6DFF5EB@exchange.lib.uconn.edu> Message-ID: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCCEKCCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> RLG has links to several groups who've tried to put together some kind of comprehensive listing of online digital collections. Check out this link: http://www.rlg.org/preserv/diginews/diginews4-6.html#faq I would be happy to be of assistance to you in collecting more information about digital collections and library consortia. I've collected a fair amount of information about the different consortia in California which I'd be happy to contribute. Lori Bowen Ayre Library Technology Consultant The Galecia Group LBAyre@galecia.com (707) 763-6869 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Heidi Abbey Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Digital Library Consortia and Digital Collections Colleagues: Recent postings about state digital library consortia have been very informative. But, does anyone know if a comprehensive *list* of consortia exists anywhere online? I have looked through the IFLA pages on digital libraries and the ARL digital initiatives database, but have not found anything to date. I think a list of this nature would be useful (especially for best practice and networking), and could also spread awareness about digital initiatives going on at the state level. I would be interested and willing to collaborate with anyone else who thinks such a project would be useful. Please contact me off the list. As an aside, I'm working with colleagues at my institution to create an international database of Digital Collections Online (DCO): http://norman.lib.uconn.edu:6550/DigitalCollections. It is still very early in its development, and, admittedly, a mammoth task, one which I believe NINCH and many other organizations have been working on for the past few years. However, our focus has been to provide a gateway to digital collections which directly relate to the academic disciplines taught at UConn. Feedback about our project is welcomed. Regards, Heidi *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Heidi N. Abbey, M.A., M.L.S. Digital Collections Librarian Thomas J. Dodd Research Center University of Connecticut Libraries 405 Babbidge Road, Unit 1205 Storrs, CT 06269-1205 U.S.A. Tel.: 860.486.2993 Fax: 860.486.4521 Web: www.lib.uconn.edu/~habbey *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Wheeler [mailto:kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fwd: digital library consortia Alabama has one called the Alabama Virtual Library. It's at http://www.avl.lib.al.us/ There's an article on it in Computers in Libraries at http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/jan01/morgan.htm In 2000, the AVL was the winner of Solinet's Outstanding Library Program The Multi-Type Library Cooperation Award. >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: TomaiuoloN@mail.ccsu.edu >Originator: web4lib@webjunction.org >Sender: web4lib@webjunction.org >From: "Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)" <TomaiuoloN@mail.ccsu.edu> >To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> >Subject: [WEB4LIB] digital library consortia >X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > >Dear Colleagues, >Please forgive A) my crossposting this question and B)if it is somewhat out >of the list's scope. > >Connecticut (USA) has launched a service that allows residents holding a >valid library card in its state access to an attractive list of database >resources. In essence, students and residents in the state can perform >bibliographic database searches and retrieve citations and full-text when >available from periodicals. Authenication, of course, is required. I >believe it is a great asset to any end-user. > >My question is: what other states, cuntries, or geographic consortia, have >similar projects in place? I am aware of a couple others, but if you have >any information concerning "digital libraries" of this sort, could you pass >your comments, and URLs if known, on to me? [I hope this doesn't fall into >the 'DUH' category.] > >On a side note, I think developments of this sort really beg the question >"is there a need for end-user subscription databases" such as Questia. > >Thank you very much, >Nick Tomaiuolo >Reference Librarian >Central Connecticut State University > > __________________________________________________________________ Kathy Wheeler kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu Electronic Services/Reference That's jaguar ONE! University of South Alabama, University Library 334-460-7938 Mobile, AL 36688 http://library.southalabama.edu From LBAyre at galecia.com Sun Apr 1 15:24:22 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Websense behaviors In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B2F8@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCMEKCCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> Bill, Interesting, thanks for posting this message. I'm in the process of evaluating Internet filter products (for the State Library of California) and I just completed my evaluation of Websense for MS Proxy Server. My initial evaluation was quite favorable. I'd be happy to hear more about your experience with it. Presumably they update their database daily. Did you find your site was freed from it's label within 24 hours of their reclassifying it? Lori Bowen Ayre Library Technology Consultant The Galecia Group LBAyre@galecia.com (707) 763-6869 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Websense behaviors Here is the message I got from websense. It appears their database loves to lump all sites from a particular numerical IP together. It doesn't matter that my site has its own domain. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu -----Original Message----- From: Websense DB Update [mailto:databasechange@websense.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:00 PM To: 'billdrew@billdrew.net' Subject: RE: SUGGEST URL Bill Drew, The site you submitted was not in our database and is a virtually hosted site. It was sharing an IP address with another site in our database causing an accidental overblock. The site has been added under Information Technology and will be fixed in the next database published. Thanks, The Websense Database Operations Staff -----Original Message----- From: billdrew@billdrew.net [mailto:billdrew@billdrew.net] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:11 AM To: databasechange@websense.com Subject: SUGGEST URL Name: Bill Drew Company: BillDrew.Net EMail: billdrew@billdrew.net Phone: 315-684-6055 Websense Version: I'm not sure Platform: I'm not sure Database Version: URL 1: ACTION: change category http://billdrew,net : DNS Lookup Failed Recommended Category: Education Reason: You have wrongly classified my site as a sex site. It is my site for my professional activates as a librarian and consultant. From LBAyre at galecia.com Sun Apr 1 15:39:34 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] outsourcing/consultants for library computer programming In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103291618300.19935-100000@galileo.stmarys-ca.edu> Message-ID: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCOEKDCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> I agree with you when you say ".. the next steps in delivering libraries thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To accomplish these steps, we need programmers..." The problem is the pay programmers can command is way out of line with what libraries are able to pay. My observation has been that library salaries for technical staff are easily 1/3 less than what those folks can earn in the business world. As a technology consultant who prefers to service the library community, it puts me in a difficult spot because I have a hard time providing the engineering talent my customers need at a price they can manage. Still, short of dramatically increasing salaries for library technical staff or focusing recruiting efforts on truly committed library technologists who won't mind the discrepancy in their earning power, what else can be done? Lori Bowen Ayre Library Technology Consultant The Galecia Group LBAyre@galecia.com (707) 763-6869 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Caleb C Tucker-Raymond Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] outsourcing/consultants for library computer programming Hi folks, The recent discussion about RFPs for websites got me thinking. Do any libraries outsource or hire consultants for computer programming? I don't know how much this topic has been covered around here or anywhere. I did some quick searches on the archives, but didn't see much. My sense is that: Most library organizations have someone on staff with a good handle on HTML. Some even have a handle people or departments dedicated to website hosting, design, architecture, usability, and resource delivery. Few have the resources hire and retain programmers, or have someone on staff who knows enough about it to build a system that won't crash the minute they leave the organization. I feel like the next steps in delivering libraries thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To accomplish these steps, we need programmers. Right now, we're pretty much at the whim of software vendors who can offer sub-par (double bogey even) products because no one else is offering a product at all. I've been reading a lot of things akin to 'I know a little perl, but not enough to do a really good job', or 'you could learn PHP and do that yourself'. Are there any libraries who maintain their own sites but outsource their computer programming or hire consultants to handle big programming jobs? We are a small library, and we currently have a job opening for a Unix systems administrator that includes a little programming. It's been open for about a year, and I'm pretty skeptical that we'll be able to fill it. However, we were lucky enough to hire someone on a temporary basis. In the few months that he has been here, he's been able to begin to revamp our web forms structure (which was before based on loose cgi scripts) by giving us tools and building blocks to work with - subroutines, modules, examples of how we might begin to integrate things, documentation (which I have to say is absolutely necessary), and most importantly, knowledge of how do build new tools for our system. We still don't have a full-time programmer, but systems staff can handle filling in the blanks and putting together existing subroutines. Overall, I feel we are much improved. Instead of posting a $40,000 per annum programming job because that's all the funds we have, what if we spend $40,000 on consultants who work 3-4 months? Does this sound good to anyone else? Caleb Tucker-Raymond Electronic Systems Librarian Saint Mary's College of California From LBAyre at galecia.com Sun Apr 1 15:44:43 2001 From: LBAyre at galecia.com (Lori Bowen Ayre) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape/Yahoo problem In-Reply-To: <20010327105946.SM00521@bobb> Message-ID: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCEEKECGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> When you use the Content Advisor (probably RSACi), you are relying on a 3rd Party list of approved sites. Yahoo must be on that list. You can override allowed sites by explicity disallowing them, which is what you've done with Yahoo. Lori Bowen Ayre Library Technology Consultant The Galecia Group LBAyre@galecia.com (707) 763-6869 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Bill Teschek Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape/Yahoo problem > This may be a really simple thing, but it has me stumped; on one of our > public access computers (Windows NT) when Yahoo.com... Speaking of curious Yahoo behavior, there's one thing that has me puzzled as well. We use IE 5.5's Content Advisor to limit our OPACs to our local website, PAC, subscription databases and amazon.com (for the links from our OPAC). For some reason it will allow access to Yahoo unless you specifically DENY access to it with the Content Advisor. Not a problem to do, but I'm wondering why this happens. Any ideas? Bill Teschek Assistant Director Lane Memorial Library 2 Academy Ave. Hampton, NH 03842 bteschek@hampton.lib.nh.us (603)-926-3368 (603)-926-1348 (fax) http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:01:30 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: magazines/journals for Web librarians Message-ID: <F53RLVbNDN4CxpAOAkK00006c0d@hotmail.com> I'm new to the Web librarian world and wondered what professional journals or magazines do you recommend for Web Librarians to help keep current in the field of Web librarianship. Are there any specific to academic libraries? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:22:22 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: Web sites with good design Message-ID: <F14s1wP7vvqgqGTwgTx00013677@hotmail.com> I'm in the process of revamping our library's Web site. I'd like to get some good ideas for design and layout. I'm particularly interested in academic libraries. Is there a list of top sites or can anyone recommend some sites to me? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:33:47 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: sorting tables in web pages Message-ID: <F16459MnDBfH8X0jZ4h00011948@hotmail.com> Our library recently exported an Excel table into an HTML document. The table is now on our Web site, but doesn't contain any of the sorting functions that Excel has. Does anyone know of a way that we can input a sorting mechanism into the table on our Web site? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From plum at ulink.net Sun Apr 1 21:40:20 2001 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] sorting tables in web pages References: <F16459MnDBfH8X0jZ4h00011948@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c0bb15$e1762ea0$52378ed1@shapeshi> >Does anyone know of a way that we can input a > sorting mechanism into the table on our Web site? I used XML. I inserted columns into the original spreadsheet and did a fill down to put in the tags. Then I saved it as text. Rather clunky though, I'm sure others on this list will have easier ways of doing it. From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:54:17 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: converting HTML to XHTML Message-ID: <F6Ctgx8VUkRacUtI9dm00009944@hotmail.com> Our library recently exported an Excel table to HTML and posted it to our Web site. The table is a huge document and contains a ton of HTML coding, which, unfortunately, results in lengthy downloading time. To speed up downloading time, we need to decrease the amount of HTML coding the table contains. One idea was to convert the HTML coding to XHTML. Thus, many of the table tags would be eliminated and replaced by style sheet instructions. Is there a program that can convert HTML to XHTML? If so, would it replace HTML coding (for tables) into style sheet instructions? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 22:02:02 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: creating links in batches instead of one by one Message-ID: <F36oMFYsDSzhxRz3s2g0001373e@hotmail.com> Our library recently exported an Excel table into HTML and posted it on our Web site. We want to create a link in each row. However, because the table is extremely long, it would take forever to input each link one at a time. Is there a way to create the links all at one time? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From rmatthew at state.lib.ut.us Sun Apr 1 23:54:30 2001 From: rmatthew at state.lib.ut.us (Ray Matthews) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: Good search engines functionalities for relevant and quick search results In-Reply-To: <p05010401b6e9a69bb754@[129.105.184.140]> Message-ID: <B6ED4377.78DA%rmatthew@state.lib.ut.us> Stu's evaluation is very informative and I do hope that he share's his report with the list. While some universities and individual state agencies have chosen Inktomi for site search and classification, the consensus that I've gathered from state governments which have considered the Inktomi/CCE engine is that the cost is prohibitive for larger scale projects such as statewide portals which spider and index hundreds of thousands of pages. The less discriminating, but more budget conscience, may want to consider the Blue Angel Technologies' Metastar Suite and Microsoft's MS-Find-It Site Server product for metadata harvesting projects. The state libraries of Texas and Illinois are two that have opted for the former, and at least half a dozen other states have chosen the MS-Find-it product for their statewide GILS projects. Ray Matthews Government Information Coordinator Utah State GILS Project Utah State Library 250 N. 1950 W. Suite A Salt Lake City, UT 84116 Voice: (801) 715-6752 Email: rmatthew@state.lib.ut.us on 3/29/01 8:12 PM, Stu Baker at stubaker@northwestern.edu wrote: > At Northwestern University we have a campus wide committee charged to > evaluate and recommend a search engine for use for the entire campus. > After much evaluation, testing and review we finally settled on > Inktomi Search Software. We looked at commercial products, open > source software (including HTDig) and remote search services. > Besides, scalability, ease of administration and good results, we > found that Inktomi could be tuned much better than any of the other > search engines we tested when using metadata. Their Content > Classification Engine (CCE) is also something that is very > interesting in terms of providing an automatic means of creating > browse structures based on rules and classifications that you can > define as "topics". They have a java based API as well so you can > write your own hooks into the system. > > Our Library has also purchased the Inktomi Search software to use as > our search engine and potentially for digital library initiatives. > The ability for Inktomi to index XML document stores was a very > enticing feature. > > We are in the midst of finalizing our report which I would be glad to > share when it is complete. In the meantime you can look at our > prototype search site at <http://search.library.northwestern.edu/>. > > ----------------------------------- > on 3/29/01 12:22 AM, St?phane Dudart at dudart@bse.ucl.ac.be wrote: >...We would like to place a search engine on our website. This one has a lot of > html files and it grows day by > day. We are currently establish a keyword and description metadata system to > the site to control > searching. > What functionnalities search engines must have for a quick search and a > relevant result? > We also look for case studies and local search engine lists. > > Thank you for your help > > St?phane D. > > > > From DobbsA at apsu.edu Sun Apr 1 22:53:17 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] creating links in batches (not pretty, relatively e asy) Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91E505@exchange.apsu.edu> Not the prettiest or easiest solution: (and is a violation several web design mantras, btw) (the above parenthetical statement is an understatement) Insert a column with nothing but: <a href=" in it *before* the column with the URL in it Insert a column with nothing but: </a> in it *after* the Title column Basically the column headers will look like this: (assuming, of course, you want to alphabetize by Title) | Copy of Title Column | <a href=" | URL | "> | Title Column | </a> | Save the file as a text file (not delimited if you are prompted) (copy to a new .xls & delete the left hand Title Column first if you don't want the Title to show up twice in a row) Rename it with an .html extension Voila, a static page. (but not a nicely laid out page) The harder to set up but easier to maintain and much nicer looking way would be to import your links to Access create an ODBC connection on your web server to the Access Database and write an .asp page (syntactically it'll be murder but worth it when the pain is all over) I'm attaching two files for you to customize if you go the .asp route. These pages will need to be modified to match your Access Database fields and the ODBC name of your Access Database (it's easiest if you put the Database & pages in the same directory) Currently the fields are: "Title", "Subject", "AltTitle", "Subject" from a specific query "QRYWebAZ" and the ODBC name is "IR" Other modifications will be needed in the header & footer sections to match your library's design layout I have done something similar to what I describe with .asp at the following URL: http://library.apsu.edu/inform/2_39_3.asp Immodest plug If you'd rather, I also consult on the side (I'm inexpensive & flexible) /Immodest plug -Aaron W Dobbs Information Services Librarian -----Original Message----- From: Heather Samuels [mailto:blueskies88@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] creating links in batches instead of one by one Our library recently exported an Excel table into HTML and posted it on our Web site. We want to create a link in each row. However, because the table is extremely long, it would take forever to input each link one at a time. Is there a way to create the links all at one time? Thanks. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * This mail list only accepts PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * may not be set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and may need * * adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From lytlea at oclc.org Wed Apr 4 08:56:20 2001 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: Announcement: "Using Metadata for Knowledge Management" - Vancou ver, B.C. Message-ID: <A4DCD9B43F237A41BE31C98D434C2288248E2B@OA4-SERVER.oa.oclc.org> [Cross-posted with apologies - please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] If you haven't registered for the OCLC Institute Using Metadata for Knowledge Management there is still time. This 2.5 day institute is a great way to find out what metadata is all about; get introduced to the Dublin Core record; spend time creating metadata records using Dublin Core and OCLC's CORC tool; and increase your knowledge of this new direction in cataloguing. The deadline for registration in the OCLC Institute Seminar Using Metadata for Knowledge Management has been extended one week to April 10th. Vancouver Public Library is pleased to announce will be sponsoring the following OCLC Institute seminar on April 30, May 1 and 2. Using Metadata for Knowledge Management Description This 2.5 day seminar consists of lectures, structured lab exercises, and group discussions. Participants receive an overview of Web-based resource description systems and detailed instruction in the Dublin Core metadata. As a member of a small project team, participants design and implement a MARC- or web server-based resource description system using metadata records for a real-world collection. Where feasible, projects are real-life projects submitted in advance by participants. Participants evaluate the resource description system in terms of design and functionality, including data input, storage, retrieval, and display. Intended audience: Head of cataloging, chief cataloger, cataloging team leaders, digital cataloging principals, special format catalogers, electronic resource librarians, digital librarians, metadata librarians, Internet resource librarians, systems librarians, Webmasters, records managers, knowledge managers. Trainer: Brad Eden, Head of Cataloguing, University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Brad has been a leader in metadata efforts in ALCTS and is also the ALCTS Paper Series Editor. Duration: 2.5 days Cost: $600. CDN for OCLC members / $675. CDN for non-members GST included ($400. US for OCLC members / $450. US for non-members GST included) Place: Vancouver Public Library, 350 West Georgia St., Vancouver, B.C. Computer Labs. 5th and 7th floors Lunch included. To register: email Pauline Manton pauliman@vpl.vancouver.bc.ca Catalogue Division, Vancouver Public Library Please include your fax number and we will fax you a registration form. Space limited to 26 participants so register early. From dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Wed Apr 4 09:37:01 2001 From: dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: Online Audio in Libraries question? In-Reply-To: <A4DCD9B43F237A41BE31C98D434C2288248E2B@OA4-SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.1010404093439.538989053B-100000@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Hello everyone, Is anyone using online audio resources extensively to help their patrons find sound files? I am doing a brief presentation on online audio resources and wondering if anyone has some experience with this or a set of links to begin my research? Thanks. Opinions and advice are also welcome. You can reply just to me if you so choose. Thanks again. Dan Kissane Reference Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 dfk@oneonta.edu personal web site: www.dmcom.net/dkissane From merchant at LATECH.EDU Wed Apr 4 11:35:46 2001 From: merchant at LATECH.EDU (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: Locking down Hostex on W2K Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010404103133.00b39f00@vm.cc.latech.edu> To the Web4lib brain trust, a question: I've been locking down our new W2K electronic reference computers, and between using the Public Browser (a _great_ program!) and "hacking" the registry hive, I've gotten it mostly secure. However, not with the Hummingbird HostExplorer (V. 4.0.1) telnet client. I've modified the tool-bar to my liking, but I can't seem to figure out how to modify, delete or disable the menu bar items. Has anyone done so using either the Host Explorer ini files or registry entries? TIA, TTFN, David Head, Systems Dept, Louisiana Tech University merchant@latech.edu JavaScript List Administrator (www.mountaindragon.com/javascript/) Webmaster, HTML Encyclopedia (www.mountaindragon.com/html/) Memorial Day Page: (www.usmemorialday.org/) From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Apr 4 11:38:41 2001 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: Electronic Journals Resource Directory In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10104031924120.26140-100000@moondog.usask.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10104040935340.10806-100000@moondog.usask.ca> I need to update my "Electronic Journals Resource Directory" at http://library.usask.ca/~scottp/links/ If you have a separate e-journals database, and would like it listed, please fill out the "Add a Resource" form. Thanks. From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Apr 4 11:48:57 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: Digitization Software WITH Cataloging Module Message-ID: <sacafc3b.036@129.186.11.21> _Digitization Software WITH Cataloging Module_ I am greatly interested in learning about recommended digitization software that provides image as well as Optical Character Recognition scanning. I am particularly interested in software that has a *Cataloging Module* for entering appropriate metadata about the digitized item. [I am aware of the RLG resources and publications, and other sources, but am particularly interested in personal recommendations] As Always, Any and All recommendations, contributions, Cosmic Insights, etc. are Most Welcome. /Gerry McKiernan Digitized Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:29:56 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: freelance work Message-ID: <F311Y5pCxlICSsiWdBd00000c08@hotmail.com> Hi everyone, I was thinking about eventually (maybe a few years from now) doing some freelance web development work on the side. Do any of you do freelance work? How much do you charge per hour and what Web programming languages do you have do know besides HTML and XML? Is it hard to find clients? For those who answer the above questions, I'd also like to know what geographic area you live in. Do any of you live in Northern California? My other question is this: Do most of you Web librarians work in corporate libraries? Do any of you work in public libraries? Are there many opportunities in public libraries to do Web development work? It seems to me that most public libraries assign their web development work to one person or one department. My husband has a choice between two jobs -- one in a university library working with web pages (and doing reference work), the other job working as a reference librarian in a public library. Oddly enough, the public library job pays alot more and offers many opportunities for upward mobility, but doesn't offer the same opportunities to work with technology. But I guess the technology and web stuff you can learn at home on your own anyway, if you're really into it. Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Apr 4 12:49:08 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:13:59 2005 Subject: NYT Article: "Auditing Classes at M.I.T., on the Web and Free" Message-ID: <sacb0a4c.004@129.186.11.21> _ NYT Article: "Auditing Classes at M.I.T., on the Web and Free" _ A Most Progressive Development! /Gerry McKiernan Audited Librarian Iowaa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu Auditing Classes at M.I.T., on the Web and Free By CAREY GOLDBERG M.I.T. is to announce on Wednesday that it will post nearly all course materials on the Web, even video lectures, available for free. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/technology/04MIT.html?ex=987402420&ei=1&en=d130bda76f1cbc58 [Free registeration is/may be required to access this article] From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Wed Apr 4 12:52:30 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE outsourcing/consultants for library computer progr In-Reply-To: <008601c0bcaa$811568a0$5291c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104040943530.21961-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, HTheyer wrote: > I think the whole Librarian/Techies split works both ways. Librarians tend > to think of their techies as mind-reading automatons. They always come at > the most inconvenient times, if the web pages were better designed in the > first place we wouldn't have all these problems, why does the system always > go down on a weekend, etc. > > Techies, in my experience, think librarians are idiots. Apologies for coming in late on this; maybe I'm misreading something. *Sigh*. I must be from another planet; metaphysical experiences like this give me no peace. "Mind-reading automatons?" I have two Computer Support Analysts that work with/for me, and we get along famously. My lead tech builds servers from spare parts and scrounges so much stuff for us that I began calling him Radar the first wk. I took over Systems. He liked that enuf that his primary linux workstation's name is Radar. Heehee. We develop applications together, we share admin. of servers, we go to lunch together and sit at the same table. We show ea. other when we figure out something new and exciting and cool. We run most of our web services from open source software so it takes cooperation to get apps compiled and installed, running, etc. There's absolutely no faculty/staff, libn./techie divide in our library sytems efforts. As Chairman Mao ws purported to have said: "it doesn't matter what color the cat is as long as it catches the mouse." John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Apr 4 13:03:14 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Survey Comparing Real-Time Digital Reference Technologies Message-ID: <sacb0d88.018@129.186.11.21> _Survey Comparing Digital Reference Technologies_ Duke University library has an excellent survey comparing various popular real-time Digital Reference technologies: Live On Line Reference [ http://www.lib.duke.edu/reference/liveonlineref.htm ] /Gerry McKiernan LiveRef(sm) Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu LiveRef(sm) - *Your* Registry of Real-Time Digital Reference Services [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/LiveRef.htm] From EAndes at rbc.edu Wed Apr 4 13:26:42 2001 From: EAndes at rbc.edu (Ellen Andes) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Web site traffic software Message-ID: <DF192FC3E446D411B5370008C7B955A22D6A0B@ENTERPRISE> I just joined this listserv and it looks like there is a lot of good information here. I am looking for software that will help us get statistics on Web site traffic. For instance, what sites do students access most? We have some of this through our database vendors, but I am hoping to see where students are looking for information when they are not working through our licensed databases. Two software packages that I am aware of are Access Watch and Counter.com. I'd appreciate suggestions from those of you who have used this type of software or know of a good product. Ellen Andes Reference & Circulation Richard Bland College Library 11301 Johnson Rd. Petersburg, VA. 23805 804-862-6227 FAX 804-862-6125 eandes@rbc.edu From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Apr 4 13:20:55 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas M G Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: New Library Building Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHCEMJEFAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Funds for a new Library at ASU (for those in Arizona, the other ASU :-) ) have been approved and we have been asked for input concerning our new facilities. Suggestions for what you think is needed in a new library systems area would be helpful (especially server area I have to expand on that area for the team). Some things we already have on our list are: - near freight elevator - lots of storage/supply space - separate environmental controls (currently the thermostat for my office is in a public area on the floor above) - lots of power and telecommunications ports in all systems offices - convenient access to mail room for deliveries, maybe directly above the mail room on the next floor - secured = keypad locks on doors - server room with raised floor and separate HVAC controls, one large UPS - separate backup server area for ITS ( we now house the university backup server in our video library (our old server room ) this is not a server that does backups but a server to take over in case the main campus server goes down) - meeting/training room - central scanning/printing/demonstration area - Usability testing room = divided into testing and observing areas - large centralized workroom/student assistant area = counters/cabinets around perimeter/sink required - individual offices for each team member to accommodate desk, PC Desk, visitor area, and additional work space. Areas outside of Systems Area - Satellite support office contiguous with Assistive Technologies are and central main public computer area. - Printers distributed around the building to clusters of users( not one remote printer/copier room) - centralized PCs on each floor for each collection - group study rooms equipped with telecommunications (whatever it may be) and PCs - Classrooms/Labs fully equipped, 2 minimum, - Seminar rooms fully equipped with ample telecommunications and power - Auditorium/meeting room - wiring closets = central, one per floor with full 360 degree access and room to expand - Wireless as well as wired/fiber ports throughout This building may not be ready until 2007 to move in and we don't no what direction network systems may take by then. Thanks Thomas Bennett ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From fac-fbap at virginia.edu Wed Apr 4 13:35:40 2001 From: fac-fbap at virginia.edu (Book Arts Press) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Etext/EAD Courses at Virginia Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010404133422.0207b700@unix.mail.virginia.edu> [Cross-posted. Please excuse any duplication.] RARE BOOK SCHOOL (RBS) is pleased to announce its Summer Sessions 2001, a collection of five-day, non-credit courses on topics concerning rare books, manuscripts, the history of books and printing, and special collections to be held at the University of Virginia from 4 June - 8 June, 16 July - 20 July, 23 July - 27 July, 30 July - 3 August, and 6 August - 10 August 2000. THE EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL prerequisites for RBS courses vary. Some courses are primarily directed toward research librarians and archivists. Others are intended for academics, persons working in the antiquarian book trade, bookbinders and conservators, professional and avocational students of the history of books and printing, book collectors, and others with an interest in the subjects being treated. THE TUITION FOR EACH FIVE-DAY COURSE is $745. Air-conditioned dormitory housing (about $35/night) will be offered on the historic Central Grounds of the University, and nearby hotel accommodations are readily available. FOR AN APPLICATION FORM and electronic copies of the complete brochure and the RBS Expanded Course Descriptions (ECDs), providing additional details about the courses offered and other information about RBS, visit our Web site at: http://www.virginia.edu/oldbooks Or write Rare Book School, 114 Alderman Library, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2498; fax 804/924-8824; email oldbooks@virginia.edu; or telephone 804/924-8851. Subscribers to the Web4Lib list may find the following Rare Book School courses to be of particular interest: 55. ELECTRONIC TEXTS AND IMAGES. (MONDAY-FRIDAY, JULY 23-27) A practical exploration of the research, preservation, editing, and pedagogical uses of electronic texts and images in the humanities. The course will center around the creation of a set of archival-quality etexts and digital images, for which we shall also create an Encoded Archival Description guide. Topics include: SGML tagging and conversion; using the Text Encoding Initiative Guidelines; the form and implications of XML; publishing on the World Wide Web; and the management and use of online texts. For details about last year's version of this course, see <http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/rbs/99>. Some experience with HTML is a prerequisite for admission to the course. Instructor: David Seaman. DAVID SEAMAN is the founding director of the internationally-known Electronic Text Center and on-line archive at the University of Virginia. He lectures and writes frequently on SGML, the Internet, and the creation and use of electronic texts in the humanities. 45, 65. IMPLEMENTING ENCODED ARCHIVAL DESCRIPTION (SESSION I, MONDAY-FRIDAY, JULY 16-20; SESSION II, MONDAY-FRIDAY, JULY 30-AUG 3). Encoded Archival Description (EAD) provides standardized machine-readable access to primary resource materials. This course is aimed at archivists, librarians, and museum personnel who would like an introduction to EAD that includes an extensive supervised hands-on component. Students will learn SGML encoding techniques in part using examples selected from among their own institution's finding aids. Topics: the context out of which EAD emerged; introduction to the use of SGML authoring tools and browsers; the conversion of existing finding aids to EAD. Instructor: Daniel Pitti. DANIEL PITTI became Project Director at the University of Virginia's Institute for Advanced Technology in 1997, before which he was Librarian for Advanced Technologies at the University of California, Berkeley. He was the Coordinator of the Encoded Archival Description initiative. 43. PRINTING DESGIN AND PUBLICATION. (MONDAY-FRIDAY, JULY 16-20) In today's cultural institutions, the texts for announcements, newsletters -- even full-dress catalogs -- are composed on computers, often by staff members with scant graphic design background. By precept and critical examination of work, the course pinpoints how available software can generate appropriate design from laser-printed posters and leaflets through complex projects involving commercial printers. Prime concerns are suitability, client expectations and institutional authority. GREER ALLEN has designed publications for Colonial Williamsburg, the Houghton, the Beinecke, the Metropolitan, Yale's art museums, the Philadelphia Museum of Art, the Rosenbach, the Art Institute of Chicago, Storm King Art Center, and many other libraries and museums. Formerly Yale University Printer, he now serves as Senior Critic in Graphic Design at the Yale School of Art. He has been designated Honorary Printer to the Cathedral of St John the Divine in New York City. He has taught this course annually since 1994. Book Arts Press Phone: 804/924-8851 114 Alderman Library Fax: 804/924-8824 University of Virginia Email: oldbooks@virginia.edu Charlottesville, VA 22903 http://www.virginia.edu/oldbooks From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Wed Apr 4 13:47:50 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Librarian or Computer Expert and why have a MLS? Message-ID: <A7342184771E814896DAA979637B1F0A9D664F@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> I was the Librarian at Texas A&M International University and had both a Library degree and knowledge of computers. However, I do not have a CS degree, which is required at some places. There were some very basic concepts about databases and library use of online services that I presented to my friends in the university computer shop the entire time I was there and they still did not "get it." So, we did the proxy server. But my student assistant knew computers and Linux very well and was the "expert." I left that job thinking that a MLS is very important to the job, but that a well supervised person who can do the computer stuff is what I library needs most of the time. The MLS is more useful in planning new services, promoting the services that are needed and presenting a public service attitude. Many librarians don't even know what is possible. Also, this person can participate in other library duties and that is a plus in a small library. The examples of librarians who work well with computer personnel is just another example of how it should work everywhere. Too many librarians look "down their noses" at those without the MLS. Time to get over that attitude. Everyone who can contribute is valuable. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 From blueskies88 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 13:54:20 2001 From: blueskies88 at hotmail.com (Heather Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: HTML editors Message-ID: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From pecautm at missouri.edu Wed Apr 4 14:11:27 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web site traffic software In-Reply-To: <DF192FC3E446D411B5370008C7B955A22D6A0B@ENTERPRISE>; from EAndes@rbc.edu on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:35:28AM -0700 References: <DF192FC3E446D411B5370008C7B955A22D6A0B@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <20010404131126.A22688@missouri.edu> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:35:28AM -0700, Ellen Andes wrote: > I just joined this listserv and it looks like there is a lot of good > information here. I am looking for software that will help us get > statistics on Web site traffic. For instance, what sites do students access Web traffic on your site? This is all in your webserver logs. You can use logfile analysis software to produce nice looking reports. Two very good free ones are webalizer http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ and analog http://www.analog.cx > most? We have some of this through our database vendors, but I am hoping to > see where students are looking for information when they are not working > through our licensed databases. Two software packages that I am aware of If you want statistics on which web-based databases people are using the most, you have to count clickthroughs (ie, how many people are clicking links on your site to other sites). Your weblogs won't have this information. To capture this you have to point your links to a clickthrough counting script that logs what you want and sends the user where they want to go. We have something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP (bleah!) to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share either system, if you are interested. > are Access Watch and Counter.com. I'd appreciate suggestions from those of > you who have used this type of software or know of a good product. For some good information on tracking users, see http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/user-tracking -Mark > > Ellen Andes > Reference & Circulation > Richard Bland College Library > 11301 Johnson Rd. > Petersburg, VA. 23805 > > 804-862-6227 > FAX 804-862-6125 > eandes@rbc.edu From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Apr 4 14:11:21 2001 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] HTML editors In-Reply-To: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10104041208291.10806-100000@moondog.usask.ca> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Heather Samuels wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat >comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is >pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? There's a whole bunch at: http://www.nonags.com/nonags/htmledit.html As for recommending, I can't...but maybe go by the number of ducks that NoNags gives... From strubsa at bu.edu Wed Apr 4 14:24:31 2001 From: strubsa at bu.edu (Sarah Struble) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] HTML editors In-Reply-To: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10104041419170.212068-100000@acstmp.bu.edu> Heather, I have used Arachnophilia. I still use it from home, and even at work when I can't make Dreamweaver do what I want it to do. I have nothing but praise for Arachnophilia. It does not have a WISYWIG editor- you have to work in the code. I feel that this is a bonus, but realize that not everyone agrees with me on that point. You can download it at: http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ -Sarah Struble **************************** Sarah Struble Health Sciences Bibliographer & Hospitality Administration Bibliographer Mugar Memorial Library Boston University Boston, MA 02215 strubsa@bu.edu **************************** On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Heather Samuels wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat > comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is > pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? > > Heather > blueskies88@hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From sdk at tampabay.rr.com Wed Apr 4 14:19:14 2001 From: sdk at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software In-Reply-To: <20010404131126.A22688@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBJKGNMLIPAIEFIKDBCEGJCGAA.sdk@tampabay.rr.com> We've cataloged a fair amount of information on this topic in our Web Guide, including pointers to Traffic Analysis Software. Have a look: http://www.ecompany.com/webguide/0,1660,45621|125|0|0|1|a,00.html Shirl Kennedy Web Guide Manager eCompany Now http://www.ecompany.com From DobbsA at apsu.edu Wed Apr 4 14:34:05 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Web site traffic software (ODBC with perl vs. asp) Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91E519@exchange.apsu.edu> Perhaps my understanding of Perl is off, but I believe Perl will recognize and interact with ODBC objects. My understanding is that .asp (server side vbscripting) is not the only way to work with Access. Any object oriented language can work with ODBC objects, ie: C*, php/python, Perl(I think), VB, etc can be used to interface with the DB object (in your case an Access Db) Please correct me if I have erred (I'm comfy enough with vb, so I use .asp) -Aaron :-)' "Pear Pimples for Hairy Fishnuts?" -Opus Mark Wrote: <snip> We have something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP (bleah!) to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share either system, if you are interested. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pecaut [mailto:pecautm@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:35:28AM -0700, Ellen Andes wrote: > I just joined this listserv and it looks like there is a lot of good > information here. I am looking for software that will help us get > statistics on Web site traffic. For instance, what sites do students access Web traffic on your site? This is all in your webserver logs. You can use logfile analysis software to produce nice looking reports. Two very good free ones are webalizer http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ and analog http://www.analog.cx > most? We have some of this through our database vendors, but I am hoping to > see where students are looking for information when they are not working > through our licensed databases. Two software packages that I am aware of If you want statistics on which web-based databases people are using the most, you have to count clickthroughs (ie, how many people are clicking links on your site to other sites). Your weblogs won't have this information. To capture this you have to point your links to a clickthrough counting script that logs what you want and sends the user where they want to go. We have something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP (bleah!) to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share either system, if you are interested. > are Access Watch and Counter.com. I'd appreciate suggestions from those of > you who have used this type of software or know of a good product. For some good information on tracking users, see http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/user-tracking -Mark > > Ellen Andes > Reference & Circulation > Richard Bland College Library > 11301 Johnson Rd. > Petersburg, VA. 23805 > > 804-862-6227 > FAX 804-862-6125 > eandes@rbc.edu From llittle at pfeiffer.edu Wed Apr 4 14:54:49 2001 From: llittle at pfeiffer.edu (Lara Little) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors References: <Pine.A41.4.10.10104041419170.212068-100000@acstmp.bu.edu> Message-ID: <3ACB6DF9.69708789@pfeiffer.edu> I use it as well, and I like it. Ideally I prefer a WYSIWYG editor (I use Dreamweaver at home) but here at work, my only option for that is Netscape Composer, which I can't stand. Arachnophilia lets you work in code without having to know the code - i.e. highlight a word you want to appear in bold, and click the "bold" button, and it inserts the necessary code. And though it is code, you can set it such that you have two tiled windows, one with the code you're working in and one showing the resulting page in a browser, and it can change the page in the browser as you change the code, so you can still "see what you're doing". If purchasing a WYSIWYG editor isn't an option, Arachnophilia is a good way to go. Lara Sarah Struble wrote: > > Heather, > I have used Arachnophilia. I still use it from home, and even at work when > I can't make Dreamweaver do what I want it to do. I have nothing but > praise for Arachnophilia. It does not have a WISYWIG editor- you have to > work in the code. I feel that this is a bonus, but realize that not > everyone agrees with me on that point. > You can download it at: > http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ > > -Sarah Struble > > **************************** > Sarah Struble > Health Sciences Bibliographer & > Hospitality Administration Bibliographer > Mugar Memorial Library > Boston University > Boston, MA 02215 > > strubsa@bu.edu > **************************** > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Heather Samuels wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat > > comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is > > pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? > > > > Heather > > blueskies88@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > -- Lara B. Little Reference/Periodicals Librarian & Library Systems Administrator G.A. Pfeiffer Library Pfeiffer University, Misenheimer, NC From Thelma.Benison at cshs.org Wed Apr 4 14:55:33 2001 From: Thelma.Benison at cshs.org (Benison, Thelma) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian or Computer Expert and why have a MLS? Message-ID: <E15D9F6AEE68D2118F900008C7B1E441016F31D5@EXCHANGE6.CSMC.EDU> I didn't like the attitude given me as a library assistant. I find that I have a better Information Science and Technology education and background than those who received an MLIS before me and gave me the 'non-MLIS' attitude'. The Information Science classes I took in my MLIS program at SJSU gave me knowledge and experience in creating Oracle databases, programming, and knowledge management -- which happen to be very very marketable skills worth quite a bit salary-wise (70K+) in a business environment. I don't think I want to go back and work in a library. I'd probably get the 'new kid on the block-green hand and inexperienced' attitude as an upcoming graduate with an MLIS degree... Thelma Benison E-Mail Systems Administrator Cedars-Sinai Medical Center > ---------- > From: Masters, Gary E[SMTP:GEM@CDRH.FDA.GOV] > Reply To: GEM@CDRH.FDA.GOV > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian or Computer Expert and why have a MLS? > > I was the Librarian at Texas A&M International University and had both a > Library degree and knowledge of computers. However, I do not have a CS > degree, which is required at some places. There were some very basic > concepts about databases and library use of online services that I > presented > to my friends in the university computer shop the entire time I was there > and they still did not "get it." So, we did the proxy server. But my > student assistant knew computers and Linux very well and was the "expert." > > > I left that job thinking that a MLS is very important to the job, but that > a > well supervised person who can do the computer stuff is what I library > needs > most of the time. The MLS is more useful in planning new services, > promoting the services that are needed and presenting a public service > attitude. Many librarians don't even know what is possible. Also, this > person can participate in other library duties and that is a plus in a > small > library. > > > The examples of librarians who work well with computer personnel is just > another example of how it should work everywhere. Too many librarians > look > "down their noses" at those without the MLS. Time to get over that > attitude. Everyone who can contribute is valuable. > > Gary > > > Gary E. Masters > Librarian (Systems) > CDRH - FDA > (301) 827-6893 > From cagimon at mplib.org Wed Apr 4 15:06:15 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software (ODBC with perl vs. asp) Message-ID: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB23DF@alpha> The ActiveState distribution comes with Win32::ODBC, which is all you need. If you need to do ODBC from a non-Windows machine, one of the DBI or DBD modules should do it. The Minneapolis Public Library's site is built with ASP/PerlScript, with Win32::ODBC for database access, including for clickthrough logs. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Dobbs, Aaron [mailto:DobbsA@apsu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:43 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software (ODBC with perl vs. > asp) > > > Perhaps my understanding of Perl is off, but I believe Perl > will recognize > and interact with ODBC objects. My understanding is that > .asp (server side > vbscripting) is not the only way to work with Access. Any > object oriented > language can work with ODBC objects, ie: C*, php/python, > Perl(I think), VB, > etc can be used to interface with the DB object (in your case > an Access Db) > > Please correct me if I have erred > (I'm comfy enough with vb, so I use .asp) > > -Aaron > :-)' > "Pear Pimples for Hairy Fishnuts?" > -Opus > > > > Mark Wrote: > > <snip> > We have > something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP > (bleah!) > to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share > either system, > if you are interested. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Pecaut [mailto:pecautm@missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:35:28AM -0700, Ellen Andes wrote: > > I just joined this listserv and it looks like there is a lot of good > > information here. I am looking for software that will help us get > > statistics on Web site traffic. For instance, what sites > do students > access > > Web traffic on your site? This is all in your webserver > logs. You can > use logfile analysis software to produce nice looking > reports. Two very > good free ones are webalizer > http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ > and analog > http://www.analog.cx > > > most? We have some of this through our database vendors, > but I am hoping > to > > see where students are looking for information when they > are not working > > through our licensed databases. Two software packages that > I am aware of > > If you want statistics on which web-based databases people are using > the most, you have to count clickthroughs (ie, how many > people are clicking > links on your site to other sites). Your weblogs won't have this > information. > To capture this you have to point your links to a > clickthrough counting > script > that logs what you want and sends the user where they want to > go. We have > something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP > (bleah!) > to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share > either system, > if you are interested. > > > are Access Watch and Counter.com. I'd appreciate > suggestions from those of > > you who have used this type of software or know of a good product. > > For some good information on tracking users, see > http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/user-tracking > > -Mark > > > > Ellen Andes > > Reference & Circulation > > Richard Bland College Library > > 11301 Johnson Rd. > > Petersburg, VA. 23805 > > > > 804-862-6227 > > FAX 804-862-6125 > > eandes@rbc.edu > From pecautm at missouri.edu Wed Apr 4 15:01:56 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web site traffic software (ODBC with perl vs. asp) In-Reply-To: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91E519@exchange.apsu.edu>; from DobbsA@apsu.edu on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:46:29AM -0700 References: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91E519@exchange.apsu.edu> Message-ID: <20010404140155.A24845@missouri.edu> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:46:29AM -0700, Dobbs, Aaron wrote: > Perhaps my understanding of Perl is off, but I believe Perl will recognize > and interact with ODBC objects. My understanding is that .asp (server side You are right about that. Actually ASP will work with many different scripting languages, such as vbscript, javascript (server-side), and perl. The reason I am re-writing it are long-winded, but the short story is that we were using perl to log clickthrough information in a flat file. We are now going to do it the Right Way [tm] and put it in a database. The sad part is that from the user's perspective, logging to a flat file is faster (very slightly). The happy part is that building reports from the data is now as easy as SQL. > vbscripting) is not the only way to work with Access. Any object oriented > language can work with ODBC objects, ie: C*, php/python, Perl(I think), VB, > etc can be used to interface with the DB object (in your case an Access Db) I am pretty sure you are correct. In fact, I believe PHP claims that their connection to MSSQL is faster than ASP's connection! However, I am getting off on a tangent. > Please correct me if I have erred > (I'm comfy enough with vb, so I use .asp) > > -Aaron > :-)' > "Pear Pimples for Hairy Fishnuts?" > -Opus > > > > Mark Wrote: > > <snip> We have > something that does this, written in perl. I am re-writing it in ASP > (bleah!) > to log things to an Access Database. I am happy to share either system, > if you are interested. > From wilberk at tblc.org Wed Apr 4 15:10:40 2001 From: wilberk at tblc.org (Karen Wilber) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: HTML editors In-Reply-To: <20010404131126.A22688@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBLIBCGLELPJEGFFIAAEHCCOAA.wilberk@tblc.org> I use First Page from Evrsoft. I've not tried all of the features nor used Dreamweaver, so I don't know how it compares, but it does everything I need to do. The current version lets you edit HTML and preview. No WYSIWYG mode like FrontPage or Adobe PageMill. Looks like an upgrade is coming out soon. http://www.evrsoft.com/ It's worth looking at. I used Arachnophilia quite a bit when I first learned HTML. I liked it, but I've begun to prefer First Page more. Karen Wilber TBLC 1202 Tech Blvd, Suite 202 Tampa, FL 33619 (813) 740-3963 wilberk@tblc.org From aarnold at njpublib.org Wed Apr 4 15:31:26 2001 From: aarnold at njpublib.org (Alexandria Arnold) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: CybraryN Message-ID: <3ACB768E.4B17B792@njpublib.org> We are considering purchasing a site license for CybraryN. We are interested in controlling the length of patron sessions on our public workstations, having the ability to have the machines turn off automatically at the end of the day, and administering workstations remotely from the reference desk. We are also interested in gathering statistics about which programs are being used, and in using the program to provide some "lock down" security on the machines. I know people are using the program, but I haven't been able to find many comments pro or con and would like to have some opinions to take into consideration. I am particularly interested in hearing from any DRA libraries who may use the software, but I'd appreciate all comments. If you send them to me personally I'll summarize for the list. Thanks. -- Alexandria Arnold Assistant Director Summit Free Public Library, NJ 908.277.9448 From thuwe at library.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 4 15:36:59 2001 From: thuwe at library.berkeley.edu (Terence K. Huwe) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Intranet/Portal software recommendations Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010404123659.0075da88@library.berkeley.edu> Friends- My research institute is (finally) going to get to work on intranets, extranets, and hopefully, portals. I'd like to query this list for two sets of recommendations. Given the need for broad-based info-sharing, I think everyone should respond to the list instead of to me--I've learned so much be reading discussion threads in that manner. My request for recommendations are: 1. What intranet/extranet software do you recommend? (MS IIS and Exchange Server on hand, but we're not attached to that route) 2. What technical specifications (size, ram, bandwidth, storage etc) do you recommend for a server that might host 3 intranets plus administrative file management needs? I would greatly appreciate some responses by next Monday if at all possible. Thanks a lot! Terry Huwe/IIR From gprice at gwu.edu Wed Apr 4 15:45:24 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gprice) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Week 5: Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk, Message-ID: <3ACCA647@webmail2.gwu.edu> The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk, New and Useful Web Sites, Industry News, Full-Text Docs of Interest to the Info Professional. 4/4/01 Hello from Washington! Quite a week for new documents, sites, and news! Your weekly highlight list follows. Please stop by throughout the week for new resources and news of interest to the information professional. The Usual ---------- Remember, this is just a sample of what you will find on the page. Sharing --------- Please let others know about the VAS&ND. Thanks! Finally --------- Thanks for the continued support! cheers, gary --- Weekly Highlights #5 The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Wednesday, April 04, 2001 Higher Education "MIT To Post Most Course Materials On The Web" Web Tools--Updates Quickbrowse & EQuill --- Tuesday, April 03, 2001 New Database--Science Web Search--Science Focused Crawler--Science Elsevier Science Officially Launches Scirus.Com Web Portals--Business Business.Com Version 2.0 Launched New Database--Invisible Web Agriculture--Imports/Exports--United States U.S. Trade Internet System Future Search P2P Search--Infrasearch Learn More about Infrasearch Recently, this p2p search technology was acquired by Sun. http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Monday, April 02, 2001 Education--Directory The Education Resource Organizations Directory has been updated. Full-Text Document Shelf Electronic Dissemination of Information--U.S. Government Electronic Dissemination of Government Publications GAO-01-428 Higher Education--Graduate Schools--United States Higher Education--Graduate Schools--Rankings U.S. News & World Report Best Graduate Schools 2002 Now Online http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com --- Sunday, April 01, 2001 Web Searching--Semantic Analysis "Can Computers Understand the Meaning of Words? Maybe, in the New World of Latent Semantic Analysis" Web Search--AltaVista Langauge Translation AltaVista's Babel Fish Translation Service Now Offers Translation for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean Languages Sports--Baseball--Team Values--Lists Source: Forbes Major League Baseball Team Values http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---- Saturday, March 31, 2001 Info Industry--CorporateAffiliations.Com A Reference Classic, The Directory of Corporate Affiliations Now on the Web via CorporateAffiliations.Com Info Industry--Hoover's Hoover's Adds Dun & Bradstreet Lookup Service Numerous New Canadian Government Documents http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ------- Friday, March 30, 2001 Energy--Outlook Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration International Energy Outlook 2001 Business--United States--Rankings The Business Week 50 Full-Text Document Shelf Census--United States Population--United States Population Profile of the United States: America at the Close of the 20th Century http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com ---------- Wednesday, March 28, 2001 Cool Tools Need to Create a Simple Graph? Here is an Interactive Online Tool Info Industry News--Hoover's The Wireless Librarian The Birth of Hoover's Wireless Canada--Parliament--Lists Two historical lists from the Canadian Library of Parliament in Ottawa. ------ End Weekly Highlights #5 The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian George Washington University Virginia Campus Library Gelman Library Ashburn, VA and Washington, D.C. gprice@gwu.edu Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian George Washington University Virginia Campus Library Gelman Library Ashburn, VA and Washington, D.C. gprice@gwu.edu Looking for Info Industry News? New Search Resources? New Web Accessible Documents? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com From wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu Wed Apr 4 15:47:52 2001 From: wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu (William Frost) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] HTML editors Message-ID: <sacb4242.099@husky.bloomu.edu> You mentioned BBEdit, Heather, which is a Mac application. BBEdit Lite is scaled down freeware available at http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit_lite.html. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania fros@bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 >>> "Heather Samuels" <blueskies88@hotmail.com> - 4/4/01 2:03 PM >>> Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From mercury at voicenet.com Wed Apr 4 16:07:12 2001 From: mercury at voicenet.com (Jeff Papier) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Dynamic Fonts In-Reply-To: <3AC9C8E6.56A261C1@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.04.10104041606000.15192-100000@unix01> Hello ListFolk, One of our library organizations wishes to donate a PC to be used only for reading foreign-language publications online. The idea is that it's a pain to "manually" download all of the necessary font sets on all of the public Internet PCs, so a single machine should be set aside as the "universal font recipient." What's bugging me here is that the use of dynamic fonts seems to be on the upswing, and that the money earmarked for this donation could be better spent on other things. Does anyone have any idea whether such fonts will soon replace those you have to download yourself? We have a truly multi-ethnic community here in South Brunswick, and I've seen any number of patrons reading, e.g., Chinese or Gujarat publications thanks to fonts that load themselves as needed. My interest is not in the wisdom of setting aside one PC versus 10, or the administrative hassles involved in limiting equipment to certain uses. It's the font technology I'm wondering about. Comments upon its miraculous properties, disadvantages, overall use, etc., will be much appreciated. Many Thanks As Usual, Jeff Papier mercury@voicenet.com South Brunswick Public Library Monmouth Jct., NJ 08852 From eckleyt at mville.edu Wed Apr 4 16:13:42 2001 From: eckleyt at mville.edu (Tami-Jo M. Eckley) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: flash animation Message-ID: <200104041613.AA1204945472@mail.mville.edu> Is there a way to copy a flash animation piece from a web site and have it run in a powerpoint presentation? -- Tami-Jo Eckley Electronic Services & Media Librarian Manhattanville College Library Purchase, New York 10577 http://www.mville.edu/library Tel:(914) 323-5274 Fax:(914) 694-8139 ______________________________________ -- From rlaperriere at tamiu.edu Wed Apr 4 17:36:11 2001 From: rlaperriere at tamiu.edu (Renee J. LaPerriere) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: trouble-shooting for reasons why our squid proxy server log-in box is not popping up in MSExplorer 5.5 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20010404163013.00bcd8f0@tamiu.edu> Greetings, oh collective wisdom! Here are the facts: 1) our proxy server is working fine 2) most of the patrons accessing the proxy server are successful 3) about 4 of our patrons (all of whom are using MS Windows 5 or higher) are encountering a problem when they try to log-on-- as far as we can tell, they have configured their local computers correctly (w/ re: proxy servers IP address and port #) and all "cookies" are enabled. However, our proxy-server log-in box is not popping up on their screens when they refresh/reload. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Renee >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< Ren?e LaPerri?re de Guti?rrez Reference/Special Collections Librarian rlaperriere@tamiu.edu http://www.tamiu.edu/~rlaperriere/ Texas A&M International University Killam Library #308 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041-1900 Phone:(956)326-2404 >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Apr 4 18:36:19 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas M G Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] trouble-shooting for reasons why our squid proxy serverlog-in In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20010404163013.00bcd8f0@tamiu.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHCENBEFAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> We have been having more problems with Innovative's Proxy and IE 5 and 5.5 where we didn't have proxy problems before. I just tried IE 5 and it wouldn't even connect to our homepage without proxy and netscape would. On a public PC I got the access denied message using IE 5 on WIN2K to our homepage with http:// preceding the URL. Sorry I can't help, but I would be interested in seeing what's up MS's sleeve with this one( or someone's sleeve). Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Renee J. LaPerriere Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] trouble-shooting for reasons why our squid proxy serverlog-in Greetings, oh collective wisdom! Here are the facts: 1) our proxy server is working fine 2) most of the patrons accessing the proxy server are successful 3) about 4 of our patrons (all of whom are using MS Windows 5 or higher) are encountering a problem when they try to log-on-- as far as we can tell, they have configured their local computers correctly (w/ re: proxy servers IP address and port #) and all "cookies" are enabled. However, our proxy-server log-in box is not popping up on their screens when they refresh/reload. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Renee >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< Ren?e LaPerri?re de Guti?rrez Reference/Special Collections Librarian rlaperriere@tamiu.edu http://www.tamiu.edu/~rlaperriere/ Texas A&M International University Killam Library #308 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041-1900 Phone:(956)326-2404 >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< From suekamm at mindspring.com Wed Apr 4 19:07:16 2001 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New Library Building References: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHCEMJEFAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> Message-ID: <3ACBA924.8158C1DD@mindspring.com> I would add one more item: A backup source of electricity. I don't know where your electrical power comes from, but in case of a natural disaster, power grid overload, or shortage of electricity a generator that can keep your equipment going would save some headaches down the road. (I live and work in Southern California. My library's power comes from Southern California Edison. While we haven't had rolling blackouts in our area yet, it IS possible that we might be subjected to them.) -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and candidate for re-election as an ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully From david at spireproject.com Wed Apr 4 20:27:58 2001 From: david at spireproject.com (David Novak) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: Map-linked newspaper tool by the Spire Project Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010405082758.0079b190@mail.iinet.net.au> Greetings, A map linked to international English-Language newspapers. One of several tools you are welcome to place on your website. see http://spireproject.com/spnews.htm As part of Spire Project update#24 we added a map linked to international English Language newspapers. It includes some nifty java and can be downloaded as part of http://spireproject.com/spir.zip Other additions include articles bridging sociology and internet research, and an internet seminars for skilled searchers titled: Beyond Boolean (Starting in Western Australia). One tool of particular interest to Web4Lib would be a syntax-translating search engine form box as part of our All-in-One page. As before, the Information Research FAQ is an important resource in research technique. Best Wishes, David Novak david@spireproject.com The Spire Project - better ways to find information. SpireProject.com SpireProject.co.uk From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Wed Apr 4 20:23:52 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Dynamic Fonts In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.04.10104041606000.15192-100000@unix01> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010405102352.025430ac@mail.vicnet.net.au> At 02:03 PM 4/4/01 -0700, Jeff Papier wrote: >Hello ListFolk, > >One of our library organizations wishes to donate a PC to be used only for >reading foreign-language publications online. The idea is that it's a >pain to "manually" download all of the necessary font sets on all of the >public Internet PCs, so a single machine should be set aside as the >"universal font recipient." personally, I feel all PCs should be multilingual, if you have such a culturally diverse population. Here in Victoria (Australia), we're rolling out multilingual access in every public library in the state, this invloves a range of training programs that have been developed and that we take and run at each library service. > >What's bugging me here is that the use of dynamic fonts seems to be on the >upswing, and that the money earmarked for this donation could be better >spent on other things. > I assume that you are refering to languages that do not have inbuilt support in internet explorer or netscape 4 dynamic fonts will not work on Netscape 6, and from memory will only work with 8-bit fonts. we tend to be moving more towards the use of eot fonts rather than dynamic fonts, since eot can support the requirements of complex script unicode fonts, where as dynamic fonts cann't. >Does anyone have any idea whether such fonts will soon replace those you >have to download yourself? We have a truly multi-ethnic community here in >South Brunswick, and I've seen any number of patrons >reading, e.g., Chinese or Gujarat publications thanks to fonts that load >themselves as needed. It depends on what langauges you are using. You'd never use dynamic fonts for chinese .. the download and rendering time for the web page would be a killer. but tene CJK support is fairly simple and trivial now .. since netscape 4 and IE3+ have support for CJK with Indic langauges, we start ot fall into the area of lack of support ... most indic langauge sites require you to downlaod fonts because most sites are made with custom software. There is a national standard "ISCII", but very few sites actually use the ISCII standard. The software developement market is tending towards Unicode solutions, on Windows platforms that means that Microsoft have to create appropriate support in Uniscribe and Rich Edit ... Windows 2000 can out with support for Hindi and Tamil in Unicode, this support was also included in IE 5.5 if you had installed one of the langauge packs for a complex script language. by a complex script language I mean a language that needs to be contextually rendered. Windows XP will add additional support for Indic languages .. not sure which ones yet ... although I do know, that there are a range of web developers using the Syriac script (Neo_Aramaic, Assyrian, etc.) who are waiting for the release of Windows XP to start work. Additional languages will appear in post-Windows XP OSes. Microsoft doesn't add new languages in service packs. > >My interest is not in the wisdom of setting aside one PC versus 10, or the >administrative hassles involved in limiting equipment to certain uses. >It's the font technology I'm wondering about. Comments upon its >miraculous properties, disadvantages, overall use, etc., will be much >appreciated. > Personally, adding additional fonts to PCs isn't that much of a hassle, and usually the sites you need to add additional fonts for are usually minority languages. The major langauges all have built in support, so its only a question of appropriate installation at the beginning i could be more specific if I knew precisely what langauges you required. essentially language support on web browsers is relatively trivial One thing to note though ... Netscape and Internet Explorer were developed for monolingual or bilingual use. In the case of IE and MIcrosoft products in general, thats part of their design philosophy. Microsoft does not design and test their products in multilingual environments. And depending on whether you use IE and what OS you use you may encounter some of the bugs and design flaws that exist in IE. Netscape 4 is ideal for some languages, while IE is mandatory for others. Andj. Andrew Cunningham Multilingual Technical Project Officer Accessibility and Evaluation Unit, Vicnet State Library of Victoria. Australia andrewc@vicnet.net.au http://go.to/andj/ http://www.openroad.vic.gov.au/ http://www.openroad.vic.gove.au/libraries/ From grace.agnew at libvid2.library.gatech.edu Wed Apr 4 20:51:22 2001 From: grace.agnew at libvid2.library.gatech.edu (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200104050134.UAA48458@libvid2.library.gatech.edu> Everyone, I saw in a recent post that NYPL is using Advanced Revelation for their EAD finding aids. Is anyone else using multivalue databases for bibliographic data, whether stored in XML or not? I'm particularly interested in Raining Data's D3 product, but I'd like to hear of anyone's experiences with multivalue or object-oriented databases. I'm particularly interested in POET for object-oriented databases. Also, does anyone have any experience with ZOPE? Thanks, Grace Agnew From jbarry at nslsilus.org Wed Apr 4 21:20:54 2001 From: jbarry at nslsilus.org (Jenny Barry) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: forcing IE to display page from sever Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042011230.6217-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Please excuse me if this rambles a bit. I'll try to be succinct. We update the news or a featured program on our home page almost daily. However, IE 5.x (perhaps earlier versions also) insists on displaying a page from cache instead of calling the server for a new page. Netscape 4.x displays the new page everytime. I have tried the following META tags: <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Expire" CONTENT="now"> <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I realize I can clear the Temporary Internet Files and then reload, but I'm assuming our general public has no idea that they are viewing an old page. Changing the Temporary Internet Files settings to check for a new page "every visit to the page" or "everytime Internet Explorer starts" also fails to make a difference. I know that our ISP uses a caching server, but I believe that we have been excluded from it due to problems with IP authentication for our databases. Is there something else I can check for? Something else I can code? Thanks for your suggestions. -- ------------------------------------------------------ Jenny Barry Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian Highland Park Public Library, 494 Laurel Ave., Highland Park, IL 60035 (847) 432-0216 FX (847) 432-9139 jbarry@nslsilus.org From ras at anzio.com Wed Apr 4 23:24:03 2001 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] In-Reply-To: <200104050134.UAA48458@libvid2.library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042022520.12408-100000@nimbus.anzio.com> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Grace Agnew wrote: > Everyone, > > > I saw in a recent post that NYPL is using Advanced Revelation for their EAD > finding aids. Is anyone else using multivalue databases for bibliographic > data, whether stored in XML or not? I'm particularly interested in Raining > Data's D3 product, but I'd like to hear of anyone's experiences with > multivalue or object-oriented databases. I'm particularly interested in > POET for object-oriented databases. The Dynix system, from epixtech, is built on a Multi-Value database, either Universe or Univision, I don't remember which. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Wed Apr 4 23:56:11 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042022520.12408-100000@nimbus.anzio.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010405135611.02540518@mail.vicnet.net.au> At 08:37 PM 4/4/01 -0700, Bob Rasmussen wrote: >On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Grace Agnew wrote: > >> Everyone, >> >> >> I saw in a recent post that NYPL is using Advanced Revelation for their EAD >> finding aids. Is anyone else using multivalue databases for bibliographic >> data, whether stored in XML or not? I'm particularly interested in Raining >> Data's D3 product, but I'd like to hear of anyone's experiences with >> multivalue or object-oriented databases. I'm particularly interested in >> POET for object-oriented databases. > >The Dynix system, from epixtech, is built on a Multi-Value database, either >Universe or Univision, I don't remember which. > Universe >-- >Regards, >...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. > >personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com > company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com > voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) > fax: (US) 503-624-0760 > web: http://www.anzio.com > > From raywood at magma.ca Thu Apr 5 02:58:42 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] HTML editors In-Reply-To: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3ACBB532.24563.120E5F9@localhost> You seem to be referring to Windows-based HTML editors :) Arachnophilia works nicely, especially if you like to customize. HTML-Kit is excellent for 'heavy duty' jobs. Lastly, and only half in jest, Gvim for Windows is my standard text/HTML editor on occasions when I must use 'that other OS' :P All are free, as in 'free beer'. Raymond On 4 Apr 2001, at 11:00, Heather Samuels wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something > somewhat comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that > Arachnophilia is pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using > it? > > Heather > blueskies88@hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get > your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > 761-1039 (H) 954-3227 (W) raymond.wood@xist.com wood.raymond@ic.gc.ca From pecautm at missouri.edu Thu Apr 5 09:03:41 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] forcing IE to display page from sever In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042011230.6217-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org>; from jbarry@nslsilus.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:29:14PM -0700 References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042011230.6217-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <20010405080340.A15676@missouri.edu> Microsoft has a page about this that may or may not help you. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q199/8/05.ASP Also other things you could try (but may not fix it) are <META HTTP-EQUIV="Expires" CONTENT="Tue, 01 Jan 1980 1:00:00 GMT"> And setting the cache size in IE to 0 . Good luck, -Mark On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:29:14PM -0700, Jenny Barry wrote: > Please excuse me if this rambles a bit. I'll try to be succinct. > > We update the news or a featured program on our home page almost > daily. However, IE 5.x (perhaps earlier versions also) insists on > displaying a page from cache instead of calling the server for a new page. > Netscape 4.x displays the new page everytime. > > I have tried the following META tags: > > <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Expire" CONTENT="now"> > <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> > > but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I realize I can clear the > Temporary Internet Files and then reload, but I'm assuming our general > public has no idea that they are viewing an old page. Changing the > Temporary Internet Files settings to check for a new page "every visit to > the page" or "everytime Internet Explorer starts" also fails to make a > difference. > > I know that our ISP uses a caching server, but I believe that we have been > excluded from it due to problems with IP authentication for our databases. > > Is there something else I can check for? Something else I can code? > > Thanks for your suggestions. > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Jenny Barry > Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian > Highland Park Public Library, 494 Laurel Ave., Highland Park, IL 60035 > (847) 432-0216 > FX (847) 432-9139 > jbarry@nslsilus.org From treed at clearwater-fl.com Thu Apr 5 09:10:33 2001 From: treed at clearwater-fl.com (Reed, Tracey) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors Message-ID: <F1411049DA08D1118BF100A024E130AE885726@lib1.clearwater.fl> To add another to the list: Globalscape's CuteHTML. It used to be freeware and you can still demo it for free, but they're charging $19.95 for it now. I really liked it when I used it. I use mostly Homesite now, which I adore, but doesn't fall into the freeware/shareware/inexpensive category. oh, it's available at: http://www.globalscape.com/products/cutehtml/index.shtml -tracey -----Original Message----- From: William Frost [mailto:wfrost@husky.bloomu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors You mentioned BBEdit, Heather, which is a Mac application. BBEdit Lite is scaled down freeware available at http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit_lite.html. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania fros@bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 >>> "Heather Samuels" <blueskies88@hotmail.com> - 4/4/01 2:03 PM >>> Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? Heather blueskies88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From francesco.giacanelli at tiscalinet.it Thu Apr 5 11:50:46 2001 From: francesco.giacanelli at tiscalinet.it (Francesco Giacanelli) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors References: <F1411049DA08D1118BF100A024E130AE885726@lib1.clearwater.fl> Message-ID: <001401c0bde8$3159b980$0501a8c0@francesco> I actually use NoteTab Light, not a WYSIWYG but a powerful text editor with a lot of features for HTML. It converts whatever text to "correct" HTML (this is not always the case with FrontPage), makes available from the menu some useful tools like HTML Tidy, TopStyle CSS, the HTML Reference Library and has built in a programming language to automate complex tasks. There is a freeware and two commercial versions at http://www.notetab.com Francesco Giacanelli, Roma, Italy francesco.giacanelli@tiscalinet.it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed, Tracey" <treed@clearwater-fl.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors > To add another to the list: > > Globalscape's CuteHTML. It used to be freeware and you can still demo it > for free, but they're charging $19.95 for it now. I really liked it when I > used it. I use mostly Homesite now, which I adore, but doesn't fall into > the freeware/shareware/inexpensive category. > > oh, it's available at: > http://www.globalscape.com/products/cutehtml/index.shtml > > -tracey > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Frost [mailto:wfrost@husky.bloomu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:55 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors > > > You mentioned BBEdit, Heather, which is a Mac application. BBEdit Lite is > scaled down freeware available at > http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit_lite.html. > > Bill > > > > William J. Frost > Webmaster/Database Coordinator > Harvey A. Andruss Library > Bloomsburg University of > Pennsylvania > fros@bloomu.edu > 570-389-4126 > > >>> "Heather Samuels" <blueskies88@hotmail.com> - 4/4/01 2:03 PM >>> > Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat > comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is > pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? > > Heather > blueskies88@hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Thu Apr 5 12:58:46 2001 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: IE address problem [was: Re: trouble-shooting for reasons...] Message-ID: <010405125846.2534a@sals.edu> <snip> >On a public PC I got the access denied message using IE 5 on WIN2K to our >homepage with http:// preceding the URL. It sounds like you have 5.01 with the NoRun bug. Service Pack 1 for 5.01 and succeeding versions of IE corrected this. (This is not related to the proxy problem.) Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Thu Apr 5 13:37:28 2001 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: IE page setup Message-ID: <010405133728.21344@sals.edu> I have a small, but annoying problem with IE printing. I use &u&b&bPage &p of &P as my footer for IE printouts. This translates to the pages URL followed by a right-justified Page x of y. The problem is that longer URLs are truncated (perhaps at the center of the pagem, but I forget). I am using IE 5.5, but the center and right-justifying commands have been available since 4.x. I did not see any relevant articles in the MS Knowledge Base. Thanks! Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From sahmt at nylink.suny.edu Thu Apr 5 16:57:19 2001 From: sahmt at nylink.suny.edu (Tatiana Sahm) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: OCLC Institute: Creating a New Reference Librarianship Message-ID: <009FD4D39BC8D4118A8000B0D020B9B80D4CE0@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu> REGISTER NOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EARLY-BIRD DISCOUNTS! Nylink and the Western New York Library Resources Council [WNYLRC] are pleased to announce co-sponsorship of a new OCLC Institute: Creating a New Reference Librarianship, at the Western New York Library Resource Council at 4455 Genesee Street in Buffalo on Wednesday-Friday, May 30-June 1. Designed for reference and public services librarians at all levels, this 2.5 day seminar includes lectures, group discussions, and hands-on laboratory sessions. The instructor is Dr. Martin Dillon, founding director of the OCLC Institute. The program will address such topics as: * How are reference services to be defined in a world of networked knowledge? * How might innovative metadata systems affect the provision of reference services and the daily work of a reference librarian? * Can libraries improve upon systems such as AskJeeves? If not, why not? * Can the cooperative cataloging model extend to reference librarianship? What would "cooperative reference" look like? * How do cooperative cataloging and cooperative reference interrelate? * Can we create a compelling vision of a preferred future state for reference librarianship and develop specific, achievable near-term actions that begin to bring that vision to pass? The cost is $380 for OCLC, Nylink and WNYLRC members before April 17 and $430 after that date; and $430 for OCLC, Nylink and WNYLRC members, and $480 for non-members after that date. Tuition includes admission to the seminar and all seminar materials, and refreshment breaks. For a complete program description and sample agenda, and to register, visit the OCLC Institute Web site at http://oclc.org/institute/courses/kamref.htm. Thank you for your interest. ************************** Tatiana Sahm Library Products & Services Assistant Nylink (founded in 1973 as The SUNY/OCLC Network) State University of New York SUNY Plaza Albany, NY 12246 800-342-3353 or 518-443-5444 Fax: 518-432-4346 sahmt@nylink.suny.edu ************************** From plum at ulink.net Thu Apr 5 18:11:42 2001 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: HTML editors References: <F1411049DA08D1118BF100A024E130AE885726@lib1.clearwater.fl> Message-ID: <001d01c0be1d$6590eea0$1001a8c0@CWO.COM> > Globalscape's CuteHTML. It used to be freeware and you can still demo it > for free, but they're charging $19.95 for it now. I use it. It's a little clunky but easy to read the code as different types are automatically colored (so if you left off a quotation mark, you notice, because it's the wrong color).'' I like the ftp program that comes with it. But Cold Fusion was nicer because you could toggle back and forth to the Web view from the code. From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Apr 5 20:52:42 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] HTML editors In-Reply-To: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> References: <F6VvR0WssM5sGmhZ26y00000e81@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <605157859.20010405185242@riverofdata.com> It is fine. But, just download it and try for yourself. A great deal of preference in such tools is whether or not it fits your style. What I call the Ford vs. Chevy argument....either will get you to work, just as either Mac or Win will handle your word processing or web page creation. Of course be ready to duck when things get hot on any of those topics. cheers dan Wednesday, April 04, 2001, 12:01:33 PM, you wrote: HS> Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor that is free. Something somewhat HS> comparable to Dreamweaver and BBEdit. I've heard that Arachnophilia is HS> pretty good -- does anyone have any experience using it? HS> Heather HS> blueskies88@hotmail.com HS> _________________________________________________________________ HS> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Apr 5 21:00:00 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE page setup In-Reply-To: <010405133728.21344@sals.edu> References: <010405133728.21344@sals.edu> Message-ID: <65596702.20010405190000@riverofdata.com> There will always be URLs that are too long, even if you print in landscape in some dinky font. Of course most URLs that are that long are also ones that include session variables and such that you can't reuse anyway. Finally, if a URL is too long to fit on the bottom of the page, I sure wouldn't want to try to retype it anyway. dan Thursday, April 05, 2001, 11:40:03 AM, you wrote: RS> I have a small, but annoying problem with IE printing. RS> I use &u&b&bPage &p of &P as my footer for IE printouts. This translates to RS> the pages URL followed by a right-justified Page x of y. RS> The problem is that longer URLs are truncated (perhaps at the center of the RS> pagem, but I forget). I am using IE 5.5, but the center and right-justifying RS> commands have been available since 4.x. I did not see any relevant articles RS> in the MS Knowledge Base. RS> Thanks! RS> Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu RS> Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From dan at riverofdata.com Thu Apr 5 21:01:56 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web site traffic software In-Reply-To: <1345015579.20010405185019@riverofdata.com> References: <1345015579.20010405185019@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <125712143.20010405190156@riverofdata.com> Well, I'll try again. I can see why it was snagged by the software, but... Left the error msg on just for the edification of others. cheers dan Thursday, April 05, 2001, 6:51:54 PM, you wrote: wsbe> We are sorry, but this system sensed the following request which may have been wsbe> inadvertedly sent to this list: wsbe> RUN YOUR wsbe> If your posting was intentional, please accept our apologies and resend your wsbe> mail message, making sure you do not include anything that may look like a wsbe> request in the first line of the body of the actual message. If this was wsbe> indeed a request please resend it to listproc@webjunction.org wsbe> Your entire message wsbe> is copied below. wsbe> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wsbe> Run your workstations through a proxy server. Minimal cost and wsbe> overhead. Then analyze the proxy logs with the software of your wsbe> choice (I like WebTrends). You can run reports on the most popular wsbe> sites. You'll get some surprises. You can also run reports on what wsbe> words they search. Again some surprises. You'll also find that a wsbe> number of the most searched words aren't surprises, too. 8-) wsbe> dan wsbe> Wednesday, April 04, 2001, 11:29:19 AM, you wrote: EA>> I just joined this listserv and it looks like there is a lot of good EA>> information here. I am looking for software that will help us get EA>> statistics on Web site traffic. For instance, what sites do students access EA>> most? We have some of this through our database vendors, but I am hoping to EA>> see where students are looking for information when they are not working EA>> through our licensed databases. Two software packages that I am aware of EA>> are Access Watch and Counter.com. I'd appreciate suggestions from those of EA>> you who have used this type of software or know of a good product. EA>> Ellen Andes EA>> Reference & Circulation EA>> Richard Bland College Library EA>> 11301 Johnson Rd. EA>> Petersburg, VA. 23805 EA>> 804-862-6227 EA>> FAX 804-862-6125 EA>> eandes@rbc.edu -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 03:54:52 2001 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: What Do These People Have In Common? Message-ID: <383156755.986543692339.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> SCOUG, known to most of you as the infamous Southern California Online Users Group, invites you to test your wits on a little quiz. What Do the Following People Have in Common? -- Scott Kermit, President and Founder of About.com -- Jose Marie Griffiths, Chief Information Office, The University of Michigan -- Kay Henshall, Manager of the QandA.com Virtual Reference Project -- Pavel Curtis, Developer Placeware, Web Conferencing Software -- Jean Heilig, Director Research and Information, Jones International eGlobal Library -- Carole Leita, Coordinator, Librarian's Index to the Internet -- Vickie Taylor, Capital Group Research Inc. -- Barbara Quint, Mother SCOUG and Editor, Searcher Magazine Please Select From the Answers Below --- a) They all lost wads of money in the dot.com stock crash --- b) They each have won a McArthur Foundation Genius Grant, and get to spend the next five years doing anything they damn well please --- c) They all were once members of the Annette Funicello Fan Club, but none will admit it today (click here for details http://www.mousestars.com/steve/annette/afmouse1.htm) --- d) They will all be speaking at SCOUG's 2001 Spring Workshop on Building Information Communities this May 4th at the Burbank Hilton Well, we know this was a tough one .. but if you guessed D) you got it right. Because each of them will be at SCOUG's Spring Workshop on Building Information Communities to be held Friday, May 4, 2001 at the Burbank Hilton right across from the Burbank Airport and only minutes from Jay Leno and The Tonight Show). And you should be there too. All kidding aside, folks. As usual, SCOUG has put together a really tremendous Spring Program .. .this year the focus is on the some of the new technologies and techniques libraries and information professionals are using to develop information infrastructures for the organizations they serve --- and we are looking at all different types of libraries here ... public, academic and corporate / special .. there is something for everybody. These programs are a labor of love made possible by a bunch of very dedicated, hard-working volunteer librarians, who really ought to get a life -- but we'll be happy if you just come and see what we have worked so hard to put together for you. For further information and to register ... just visit the SCOUG Web site at www.scougweb.org. Thanks, and we are all looking forward to seeing you there. SC PS... and we are really as much fun as everybody says .. come and find out. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Apr 6 09:01:40 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] forcing IE to display page from sever References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042011230.6217-100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <023e01c0be99$ce2e52f0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Please excuse me if this rambles a bit. I'll try to be succinct. > > We update the news or a featured program on our home page almost > daily. However, IE 5.x (perhaps earlier versions also) insists on > displaying a page from cache instead of calling the server for a new page. > Netscape 4.x displays the new page everytime. > > I have tried the following META tags: > > <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Expire" CONTENT="now"> > <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> > I haven't encountered any case where IE ignored the Pragma: no-cache header. HTTP 1.1 has a lot more control over caching behavior, but this 1.0 header should do the job you want it to. That suggests to me that IE might be requesting a new copy, but receiving it from some other cache. Find out for sure if your ISP is sending out your pages through its cache. '<meta http-equiv...' tags are only observed by caches that actually open and read the HTML source. It would be worth the effort to configure your server to send the actual HTTP headers. That should communicate what you want not only to your ISP's outbound cache, but any inbound cache your users are dealing with. BTW, the Expires [sic] HTTP header needs a correctly formatted date to indicate that the corresponding cache entry is stale. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Apr 6 10:47:29 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights: v. 1 no. 4 now available Message-ID: <OFA3448D81.F07FDC7C-ON88256A26.00511CB5@rlg.org> Cites & Insights: Crawford At Large, Vol. 1, No. 4, is now available for downloading at http://cical.home.att.net. This 14-page issue includes: * Perspective: Go Away! * PC Values: April 2001 * Following Up - KB vs. Kb, Ginger, and :CueCat * Press Watch I - two items * Trends and Quick Takes - seven mini-essays * Perspective: Copyrights and Wrongs * Press Watch II - two items * The Convergence Chronicles * Product Watch - five products * Review Watch - twelve reviews in eight categories. A few days late and two pages shorter (for reasons explained in the first essay), here it is... From madin at academicinfo.net Fri Apr 6 10:59:01 2001 From: madin at academicinfo.net (Mike Madin) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: Additions to Academic Info - March 2001 Message-ID: <009e01c0beaa$1df83f20$0300000a@michael> Apologies for cross-posting [dig_ref ; web4lib ; lis-link ; libcatnet] Academic Info added 406 Internet resources in March. Please browse the new additions at http://www.academicinfo.net/new032001.html . The list is lengthy so can take a minute to load over slower connections. This is the last posting to the discussion list so if you'd like to continue receiving these updates please send me an email ( new@academicinfo.net ) and I'll gladly add you to our free monthly email update list. We never ask for personal information and will never give your email address to a third party. Thanks for reading, Mike Madin Academic Info - http://www.academicinfo.net Seattle From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Apr 6 11:49:47 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: FrontPage 2000 question In-Reply-To: <009e01c0beaa$1df83f20$0300000a@michael> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10104061144050.616-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> I have a very basic question for FP2000 users but I haven't been able to find the answer to this. Here it goes: Is there a way to make web pages in FP2000 "read-only" so that they can be used as templates? I want staff to be able to use a pre-defined template but I don't want the template over-written. Now, a couple of additions. 1) I don't want to use FP's built-in template function as it adds steps to the process that I want to avoid. 2) I've already tried setting the file permissions to read-only - this is on WinNT 4 - but FP2000 doesn't seem to recognize this setting. Might I have to play around with the files in the "_private" directories too? I appreciate if anyone can provide a hint on a simple way to do this! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From jschult at elmira.edu Fri Apr 6 11:58:37 2001 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Usability in Libraries References: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGKEICCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> Message-ID: <035f01c0beb2$70d46e00$02898c0a@elmira.edu> Note to those in a hurry: my most important point is in my second paragraph responding to Brian's #2. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cockburn" <cockbuba@jmu.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Usability in Libraries > In order to play devil's advocate to some extent and to learn more of the > ideas swirling about, I would like to say. > > Some of you, in your replies to me regarding usability in library sites > indicated a feeling that usability is more an art than a science. That what > is usable in my library would unlikely be applicable in another. > > I would like to respectfully disagree. Those are actually two separate concepts: It is true that what is usable in my small liberal-arts college library would not work at a large research university. Whatever basics are true for library research as a whole must be modified to the needs of the audience. (Undergrad-level teaching vs. research needs, for instance.) On the other assertion, I say the more an art than a science applies to the management of the web design process, rather than to the web design itself, which I agree can rely upon scientific methods to a certain extent. This is why I agree with Brian's points 3-6, suggesting we use objective measures and experimentation to create library-specific design principles. > 1. The "science" of usability has settled on some pretty objective criteria, > methods, and models. But do they capture all of the essentials of good design? Besides being usable, my overseers want our page to be attractive and purple, feel friendly, and to get people physically into the library. Those considerations are outside of usability. > 2. E-commerce usability has become quite uniform. That has happened because > a number of people have performed enough studies and tests that have been > reproduced with similar results to become at least very strong principles. > What are our library sites but e-commerce sites that offer products > (information, resources, etc) for free. Comparison shopping among > resources, information and annotations about, and help all are part of what > we do. Usability has become uniform in some ways, but not in others! Even between Amazon.com, BN.com, and half.com, there are differences that cause some users to prefer one over the other. And if appealing to the greatest number were the only standard, disability access would not be the major issue that it is. OTOH, certain plug-ins become used a lot because they hit enough of the desired demographic (witness the rise of Flash). I strongly disagree, however, that library sites are e-commerce sites. My job is to get people off of my site, onto the site that will most meet their needs, as quickly as possible. The major goal of most e-commerce sites is to keep your eyeballs. If I could set up one web page from which I could always take them to the best resource for their needs, I would do that. In fact, that is the librarian's dream! However, because identifying the best resource is a complex process, library sites are more complex, and the challenge is to get the user as quickly as possible through your pages and on to somebody else's page that has what they need. ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From xyu at vcu.edu Fri Apr 6 12:01:43 2001 From: xyu at vcu.edu (Shaw Yu) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] magazines/journals for Web librarians References: <F53RLVbNDN4CxpAOAkK00006c0d@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3ACDE867.833FC93C@vcu.edu> It will not be a bad idea to start with the list in the "Internet and WWW" section in Magazines for Libraries. By the way, I am working on the section starting this year. I really appreciate if somebody can suggest new and good additions to the list. Xiaochang (Shaw) Yu, Ph, D. (804) 828-0032 Systems Librarian Virginia Commonwealth University From cockbuba at jmu.edu Fri Apr 6 12:53:16 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: software title? Message-ID: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGAEINCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> About 2 months ago, someone mentioned a software title/s that would create a local DB based on where you went in your browser. This DB was then searchable so you find the sites you viewed without worrying about bookmarking them. I checked the archive, but couldn?t find anything. Help? Thanks BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From ldennis at roselle.lib.il.us Fri Apr 6 14:23:20 2001 From: ldennis at roselle.lib.il.us (Lynn Dennis) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: Browser simulation site? In-Reply-To: <B0DCE2E3FDEDD21193600008C79F1BEA0922EC@PDCRPL> Message-ID: <B0DCE2E3FDEDD21193600008C79F1BEA0820D8@PDCRPL> Can someone tell me the URL for the web page that allows you to view your site as it would appear in different browsers? Thanks in advance. Lynn ************************* Lynn Dennis (ldennis@roselle.lib.il.us) Automation Coordinator/Technical Services Department Head Roselle Public Library (http://www.roselle.lib.il.us) Roselle, Illinois voice: (630) 529-1641; ext. 241 fax: (630) 529-7579 Alternate email: lynn_dennis@hotmail.com From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Apr 6 14:45:26 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Browser simulation site? References: <B0DCE2E3FDEDD21193600008C79F1BEA0820D8@PDCRPL> Message-ID: <004601c0bec9$dc8d5e10$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Can someone tell me the URL for the web page that allows you to view your > site as it would appear in different browsers? > Thanks in advance. > Lynn The service I know of was a standalone app called Browserola. It is no longer being developed, but there is a download available at <URL:http://www.codo.com/browserola/default.htm>. IMO, checking to see if a page looks right on Browser A, Browser B, and Browser C is ultimately the wrong path to take. There will always be a Browser D that you didn't count on. Instead, as Tony Barry put it on this list last November, "Design to an html standard not to a browser." I would add that you may need to back away from some features in current HTML and CSS standards to support an increasingly obsolescent generation of browsers still seeing heavy use. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From duda at library.ucsb.edu Fri Apr 6 14:47:04 2001 From: duda at library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Browser simulation site? In-Reply-To: <B0DCE2E3FDEDD21193600008C79F1BEA0820D8@PDCRPL> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104061146050.9016-100000@library.ucsb.edu> Try the Any Browser site viewer at http://www.anybrowser.com/siteviewer.html =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Sciences-Engineering Library University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Lynn Dennis wrote: > Can someone tell me the URL for the web page that allows you to view your > site as it would appear in different browsers? > Thanks in advance. > Lynn > ************************* > Lynn Dennis (ldennis@roselle.lib.il.us) > Automation Coordinator/Technical Services Department Head > Roselle Public Library (http://www.roselle.lib.il.us) > Roselle, Illinois > voice: (630) 529-1641; ext. 241 > fax: (630) 529-7579 > Alternate email: lynn_dennis@hotmail.com > > From pecautm at missouri.edu Fri Apr 6 14:50:03 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage 2000 question In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10104061144050.616-100000@tln.lib.mi.us>; from amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:57:38AM -0700 References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10104061144050.616-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <20010406135002.A24681@missouri.edu> On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:57:38AM -0700, Andrew I. Mutch wrote: > I have a very basic question for FP2000 users but I haven't been able to > find the answer to this. Here it goes: > > Is there a way to make web pages in FP2000 "read-only" so that they can be > used as templates? I want staff to be able to use a pre-defined template > but I don't want the template over-written. > > Now, a couple of additions. > > 1) I don't want to use FP's built-in template function as it adds steps to > the process that I want to avoid. > > 2) I've already tried setting the file permissions to read-only - this is > on WinNT 4 - but FP2000 doesn't seem to recognize this setting. Might I There are two `read only' settings when you are using NTFS. There is the `read-only' attribute, (which also exists on FAT filesystems). This is changed by looking at the file properties and changing the checkbox next to `read-only' (similar to the `hidden', `system', and `archive' attributes). There are also security permissions, which are specific to NTFS filesystems. You set these by going to the `security' tab while looking at the file properties. You probably already know this. I guess it is possible for FrontPage to unset the `read-only' attribute, edit it, and reset it, all without telling you. I don't know. However, if you properly set the security permissions with NTFS such that you don't have permission to write to the files, there is no way for Frontpage to overwrite the file. It is easy to change permissions in such a way that a user has the read-write access, even though it is not obvious from looking at the permissions that the user can write to the file. Here are some questions to ask yourself: 1) is the user in several groups? does one group not have access while another does? The permissions the user gets are the union of the permissions of all the groups the user belongs to. So if only one of the users' groups has read-write permission, the user will have read-write permission. 2) Who is the owner of the file? What permissions does Creator-Owner have? 3) What are the permissions on the directory the file is in? 4) Are you the administrator? Don't be (ie, use a different account to test it). If you do some experimenting, I'm sure you will find the permissions that work. -Mark > have to play around with the files in the "_private" directories too? > > I appreciate if anyone can provide a hint on a simple way to do this! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From dildine at stlawu.edu Fri Apr 6 14:59:47 2001 From: dildine at stlawu.edu (Thomas Dildine) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Browser simulation site? References: <B0DCE2E3FDEDD21193600008C79F1BEA0820D8@PDCRPL> Message-ID: <3ACE1223.C8150CB0@stlawu.edu> I'm not aware of a web site that does this, but I've used a program called Browserola which has this capability. It's available at: http://netscape.zdnet.com:80/downloads/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000LYY&b=netscape Thomas Dildine Library Systems Technician St. Lawrence University Lynn Dennis wrote: > Can someone tell me the URL for the web page that allows you to view your > site as it would appear in different browsers? > Thanks in advance. > Lynn > ************************* > Lynn Dennis (ldennis@roselle.lib.il.us) > Automation Coordinator/Technical Services Department Head > Roselle Public Library (http://www.roselle.lib.il.us) > Roselle, Illinois > voice: (630) 529-1641; ext. 241 > fax: (630) 529-7579 > Alternate email: lynn_dennis@hotmail.com From cmcclamma at chsd.org Fri Apr 6 15:47:35 2001 From: cmcclamma at chsd.org (McClamma, Charlotte) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Browser simulation site? Message-ID: <00D7298B3825D511BF540008C75F8A3C3044E2@EXCLUSTER> Try www.anybrowser.com we used it in our web design and usability class. Charlotte McClamma Children's Hospital, San Diego cmcclamma@chsd.org -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Dennis [mailto:ldennis@roselle.lib.il.us] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Browser simulation site? Can someone tell me the URL for the web page that allows you to view your site as it would appear in different browsers? Thanks in advance. Lynn ************************* Lynn Dennis (ldennis@roselle.lib.il.us) Automation Coordinator/Technical Services Department Head Roselle Public Library (http://www.roselle.lib.il.us) Roselle, Illinois voice: (630) 529-1641; ext. 241 fax: (630) 529-7579 Alternate email: lynn_dennis@hotmail.com From rmarsola at lmxac.org Fri Apr 6 17:37:57 2001 From: rmarsola at lmxac.org (Randall Marsola) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: Security For iMacs Message-ID: <003f01c0bee1$ea491130$2f15010a@randyjeff> Hello, Does anyone know of a security system for iMacs that would allow patrons = access to selected applications, but keep them out of sensitive areas = like System folder and other potential trouble spots? Any input will be = appreciated. Thanks. Randy Marsola South Brunswick Public Library New Jersey ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mwitwer at frii.com Fri Apr 6 18:32:14 2001 From: mwitwer at frii.com (Maggie Witwer) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Security For iMacs In-Reply-To: <003f01c0bee1$ea491130$2f15010a@randyjeff> References: <003f01c0bee1$ea491130$2f15010a@randyjeff> Message-ID: <p04320401b6f3f2586dd0@[216.17.135.123]> Go to http://www.securemac.com for information on security solutions for Macs. They also review the software and point out any drawbacks. We are trying Fileguard (http://www.asdsoft.com) on our public iMacs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maggie Witwer voice 970-330-0208 IT Manager fax 970-330-9408 Weld Library District email mwitwer@frii.com 2227 - 23rd Ave. email mwitwer@weld.lib.co.us Greeley, CO 80634 http://www.weld.lib.co.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 2:41 PM -0700 4/6/01, Randall Marsola wrote: >Hello, > >Does anyone know of a security system for iMacs that would allow >patrons access to selected applications, but keep them out of >sensitive areas like System folder and other potential trouble >spots? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. > >Randy Marsola >South Brunswick Public Library >New Jersey -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maggie Witwer voice 970-330-0208 Automation Librarian fax 970-330-9408 Weld Library District email mwitwer@frii.com 2227 - 23rd Ave. email mwitwer@weld.lib.co.us Greeley, CO 80634 http://www.weld.lib.co.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Fri Apr 6 23:06:12 2001 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] software title? In-Reply-To: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGAEINCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> References: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGAEINCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> Message-ID: <a0501043bb6f43414a994@[10.0.1.17]> At 10:06 AM -0700 6/4/01, Brian Cockburn wrote: >About 2 months ago, someone mentioned a software title/s that would create a >local DB based on where you went in your browser. This DB was then >searchable so you find the sites you viewed without worrying about >bookmarking them. > >I checked the archive, but couldn?t find anything. Help? iRemember http://www.seracsoftware.com/iremember.html MacOS only. My database, almost 2 years old just went past 10000 pages. I find it the most useful piece of software I have after a browser, email client and text editor. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Fri Apr 6 23:27:30 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (J.M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Usability in Libraries Message-ID: <3AE097D2@webmail.uiuc.edu> I understand that the chicago public library site did not pass the evaluation, but it gets 10 million hits a month, so it must do something right ... Joyce >===== Original Message From jschult@elmira.edu ===== >Note to those in a hurry: my most important point is in my second paragraph >responding to Brian's #2. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Cockburn" <cockbuba@jmu.edu> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:09 PM >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Usability in Libraries > > >> In order to play devil's advocate to some extent and to learn more of the >> ideas swirling about, I would like to say. >> >> Some of you, in your replies to me regarding usability in library sites >> indicated a feeling that usability is more an art than a science. That >what >> is usable in my library would unlikely be applicable in another. >> >> I would like to respectfully disagree. > >Those are actually two separate concepts: It is true that what is usable in >my small liberal-arts college library would not work at a large research >university. Whatever basics are true for library research as a whole must >be modified to the needs of the audience. (Undergrad-level teaching vs. >research needs, for instance.) > >On the other assertion, I say the more an art than a science applies to the >management of the web design process, rather than to the web design itself, >which I agree can rely upon scientific methods to a certain extent. This is >why I agree with Brian's points 3-6, suggesting we use objective measures >and experimentation to create library-specific design principles. > >> 1. The "science" of usability has settled on some pretty objective >criteria, >> methods, and models. > >But do they capture all of the essentials of good design? Besides being >usable, my overseers want our page to be attractive and purple, feel >friendly, and to get people physically into the library. Those >considerations are outside of usability. > >> 2. E-commerce usability has become quite uniform. That has happened >because >> a number of people have performed enough studies and tests that have been >> reproduced with similar results to become at least very strong principles. >> What are our library sites but e-commerce sites that offer products >> (information, resources, etc) for free. Comparison shopping among >> resources, information and annotations about, and help all are part of >what >> we do. >Usability has become uniform in some ways, but not in others! Even between >Amazon.com, BN.com, and half.com, there are differences that cause some >users to prefer one over the other. And if appealing to the greatest number >were the only standard, disability access would not be the major issue that >it is. OTOH, certain plug-ins become used a lot because they hit enough of >the desired demographic (witness the rise of Flash). > >I strongly disagree, however, that library sites are e-commerce sites. My >job is to get people off of my site, onto the site that will most meet their >needs, as quickly as possible. The major goal of most e-commerce sites is >to keep your eyeballs. If I could set up one web page from which I could >always take them to the best resource for their needs, I would do that. In >fact, that is the librarian's dream! However, because identifying the best >resource is a complex process, library sites are more complex, and the >challenge is to get the user as quickly as possible through your pages and >on to somebody else's page that has what they need. > >---Julia E. Schult >Access/Electronic Services Librarian >Elmira College >Jschult@elmira.edu J.M. Latham Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois latham1@students.uiuc.edu From b89106030 at ms89.ntu.edu.tw Sat Apr 7 02:52:21 2001 From: b89106030 at ms89.ntu.edu.tw (Caruso) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:06 2005 Subject: ???Vickery's contribution towards modern librarianship Message-ID: <005101c0bf2f$4d466100$3df0708c@m1.ntu.edu.tw> i am doing a report about Brian Campbell Vickery's contributio to = Librarianship. i need the article"Vickery's contribution towards modern librarianship" from Herald of Library Science v 23 July/Oct 1984. p. 182-6 if you have the full-text or abstract, send it to me. thanks. Caruso W. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From digiref at loc.gov Sun Apr 8 16:44:04 2001 From: digiref at loc.gov (digiref@loc.gov) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:07 2005 Subject: There's Still Time To Voice Your Opinion Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0104081643220.7637-100000@sun8.loc.gov> Dear Information Professional: Two weeks ago, we sent out invitations to you and your colleagues to participate in an important survey that will be used to guide the future direction of the Collaborative Digital Reference Service (CDRS). The response rate has exceeded our expectations and we sincerely appreciate the great input we have received to date. If you have already responded to the survey, thank you for taking time to voice your opinion on the future of e-reference. If you haven't taken the survey, there's still time for your voice to be heard. Please take a few minutes to become part of one of the most exciting innovations in our industry today. We would like to hear from everyone so that we have received information representing the needs of libraries and organizations of all types, sizes, and locations. While CDRS remains a free service during the pilot stage of its evolution, we understand that future growth will require investment to make CDRS a production-level service. Our goal is to build CDRS into a highly valued e-reference service that is "inclusive" ... welcoming members from around the world of all types and sizes. We need your help to understand the best approach to meeting our goal. The survey is completely confidential and requires only 10 minutes to complete. The survey asks your opinion on the importance of various e-reference features and the value (price) of e-reference services to your organization. To participate in the survey, you should meet the following two criteria: -- 1) You purchase or influence the purchase of online knowledge-based services for your organization (e.g., online database subscriptions, e-journals) -- 2) You are familiar with the current prices of online knowledge-based services. All of the information you need to take the survey is included online. However, we have also included a description of CDRS and proposed options below for your easy reference. You may find it useful to access this information when taking the survey. To take the survey, simply point your browser to the following URL. You must have a browser that supports Java to take the survey (recent browser versions are Java enabled). Please check your browser settings to ensure that the Java option is enabled before taking the survey. The survey URL is: http://www.speakout.com/coop/library/ Please note: A small number of survey participants using Apple Macintosh computers or some versions of Netscape Navigator have reported technical difficulties. If you have technical difficulties taking the survey, please send an email to CDRSsurvey@synfusion.com with your name, organization, and fax number to receive a print version of the survey. If you have Microsoft Word, we will be glad to email you a copy of the survey as a file attachment. Time is running out, so please take the survey today. Your input is greatly appreciated and will be very helpful to the planning of this unique and exciting service that combines the best of librarianship with the best technology on behalf of users everywhere. Thank you in advance for your participation. Diane Nester Kresh Director Public Service Collections and Project Director of CDRS The Library of Congress P.S. Watch for upcoming announcements on CDRS interactive sessions at the June session of ALA in San Francisco! -------------------------------------------------------------- Description of CDRS and Proposed Options CDRS provides the following basic e-reference services to your library over the Internet: -- Submit reference questions through a Web-based form and review responses (e.g., bibliographic citations, answers) on a Web-based report -- Select a deadline and targeted education/age level for each reference request -- Select the method of delivery (e.g., e-mail, URL, postal mail, fax) and routing (e.g., direct to library, direct to patron with library notification) for responses to each request -- Create, maintain, and control profile information (e.g., name, address, e-mail address, collection strengths) of your organization and its staff using Web-based forms Option #1: Content Delivery In addition to the basic e-reference services of CDRS, this value-added option provides the following additional services: -- Receive or access digital media (e.g., text, picture, video, or sound files) as part of the response (document delivery) -- Access inter-library loan (ILL) services that enable patrons to request items not available at your library -- Access e-commerce services that enable patrons to purchase items not available at your library Options #2: Member Web Site In addition to the basic e-reference services of CDRS, this value-added option provides the following additional services: -- Access detailed information on the innovation and standardization of e-reference best practices, including online webcasts and chats with leaders in the field -- Access detailed information on CDRS, including alerts, discussion topics, upcoming events, and membership and system statistics -- Access online tools that support problem-solving, innovation, and collaboration on e-reference issues with other members -- Customize and access a personalized Web page that aggregates and organizes the above information according to your interests and needs From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Mon Apr 9 10:41:54 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Security For iMacs References: <003f01c0bee1$ea491130$2f15010a@randyjeff> Message-ID: <010401c0c103$391ba6b0$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> It's been a while since I've worked with Macs, but I used Foolproof from Smartstuff (http://www.smartstuff.com) and it worked quite well. We used the windows product too, but it was a little tougher to work with. (but that was about 3 years ago) Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Marsola" <rmarsola@lmxac.org> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Security For iMacs > Hello, > > Does anyone know of a security system for iMacs that would allow patrons access to selected applications, but keep them out of sensitive areas like System folder and other potential trouble spots? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. > > Randy Marsola > South Brunswick Public Library > New Jersey > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Apr 9 11:50:57 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: Policy Issues in Digital Reference Service Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04136299@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Next month I will be participating in a panel discussion on policy and theoretical issues in online/digital reference services. As part of my preparation for the panel discussion, I would appreciate hearing what others think are the major policy and theoretical issues that need to be considered for online/digital reference services. Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 9 12:36:37 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage 2000 question In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10104061144050.616-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10104061144050.616-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <108606968194.20010409103637@riverofdata.com> Friday, April 06, 2001, 9:54:00 AM, you wrote: AIM> I have a very basic question for FP2000 users but I haven't been able to AIM> find the answer to this. Here it goes: AIM> Is there a way to make web pages in FP2000 "read-only" so that they can be AIM> used as templates? I want staff to be able to use a pre-defined template AIM> but I don't want the template over-written. AIM> Now, a couple of additions. AIM> 1) I don't want to use FP's built-in template function as it adds steps to AIM> the process that I want to avoid. Once you've created the template (which you have to do under any systerm), I don't see how it adds steps. Just add the template to the button bar and let the user click that button instead of the new blank page button. That seems much simpler than messing with the permissions (which also should work). cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Mon Apr 9 13:39:37 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ Message-ID: <sad1ada3.002@129.186.11.21> _ SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ I've learned of a most impressive virtual library of full-text Brazilian e-journals called _ SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ [ http://www.scielo.br/ ] The colllection includes journals in all subject areas. An alphabetical list, subject list, and search form for the journals in this collection is available, as are author and subject indexes and a search form for author and subject searching. In general, coverage is available for the most recent few years. /Gerry McKiernan Carnaval Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From DWilliams at law.pace.edu Mon Apr 9 14:20:38 2001 From: DWilliams at law.pace.edu (Williams, David) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: Software for posting past exams on a website Message-ID: <3B8A6F08ACE2D3118C310090277A4A9601F3F35A@caleb.law.pace.edu> Pace University Law Library is about to post past exams of our Law School professors on our website. Our focus group would be very interested in hearing from other libraries as to their experiences with various software packages for this and similar applications. We would also like to hear other libraries opinions on possibly suitable packages. Our group is presently considering Microsoft Access with Cold Fusion, and the Greenstone package from the National Library of New Zealand. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Dave Williams Pace University Law Library 78 North Broadway White Plains, NY 10603 From wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu Mon Apr 9 14:38:35 2001 From: wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu (William Frost) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ Message-ID: <sad1c978.069@husky.bloomu.edu> Gerry, It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is of limited value. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library http://www.bloomu.edu/library/ wfrost@husky.bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 >>> "Gerry Mckiernan" <GMCKIERN@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu> - 4/9/01 1:46 PM >>> _ SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ I've learned of a most impressive virtual library of full-text Brazilian e-journals called _ SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ [ http://www.scielo.br/ ] The colllection includes journals in all subject areas. An alphabetical list, subject list, and search form for the journals in this collection is available, as are author and subject indexes and a search form for author and subject searching. In general, coverage is available for the most recent few years. /Gerry McKiernan Carnaval Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Apr 9 15:09:59 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: "His mouse button must be stuck" Message-ID: <003b01c0c128$aec5b8e0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Gentle Web4Libbers-- I've been trying to diagnose why one of our servers has recently shown a dramatic upswing in server load, and in the course of poring over log files have run across a rare, but recurring and puzzling user behavior. We have users who are requesting the same URLs from our servers repeatedly. And when I say repeatedly, I mean, for example, 20 times in one minute, or 10 times in 15 seconds. The requests come fast enough that the server usually returns zero bytes before the next one comes in. The effect is as though a user were getting impatient, and clicking the same link over and over, but with lightning speed. As aptly phrased by a vendor we had looking at the problem, "it looks like his mouse button is stuck." Except that it's not just one user. And it always looks like a normal set of requests up to this multiple request flurry. On the server in question, almost all hits are Perl CGI scripts, so a big part of our load problem may be abandoned Perl jobs. Has anyone else seen this kind of activity in their logs? Or better yet, observed the user behavior that causes it? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Apr 9 16:29:55 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "His mouse button must be stuck" Message-ID: <E14miIN-0001Cw-00@mailhost.yaknet> Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> said: > Has anyone else seen this kind of activity in their logs? Or better yet, > observed the user behavior that causes it? > Well I think I have. I've seen many computer users, new and experienced, come into the library. They'll sit down to an internet terminal and bring up a page. Now since we have a broadband connection, the users are used to and expect a fast response from a web site. If they don't get it, I've seen them click on the link repeatedly as fast as they can, or they'll hit the Reload or Refresh button several times. I liken this to the behavior that some people believe that, if you punch an elevator button several times over and over again, it'll make the elevator arrive more quickly. Or the traffic light will change to walk if I hit the button quickly, over and over again, until it changes. That might be a source of the problem. Dan -- The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From tryan at server.silo.lib.ia.us Mon Apr 9 16:33:03 2001 From: tryan at server.silo.lib.ia.us (Tom Ryan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: Win98SE to W2K Message-ID: <002001c0c134$46ceec00$24eb1ccf@cbpl.lib.ia.us> I am purchasing new computers for our library's lab and we are currently running Win98SE and the new ones we are getting have W2K. Is there any advantages with Win2000 and the internet and is there any advantages to Security. I am just curious what others have found. Thanks, Tom Ryan Computer Systems Tech. Council Bluffs Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Mon Apr 9 16:54:27 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Win98SE to W2K References: <002001c0c134$46ceec00$24eb1ccf@cbpl.lib.ia.us> Message-ID: <003701c0c137$4473b690$e84ae980@usask.ca> > I am purchasing new computers for our library's lab and we are > currently running Win98SE and the new ones we are getting have W2K. > Is there any advantages with Win2000 and the internet and is there > any advantages to Security. Win2K is essentially Windows NT 5.0, so you'll get the same advantages in terms of reliability and security you would if you were using NT 4 now instead of 98. I don't think you'll see any real advantages in network/Internet connectivity over 98 (unless you plan to turn on IP security) - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us Mon Apr 9 16:59:08 2001 From: schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us (Donna Schumann) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? Message-ID: <3AD2229C.83538DC0@timberland.lib.wa.us> We are in the process of adding a library card application form to our web page. As we have talked about the implications of patrons filling out an Internet form with name, phone number, address, etc., we are coming to the conclusion that we really need to use SSL to protect patron privacy. This now has us looking at the lack of security for patrons placing holds over the Internet. Our patrons can access the catalog using either telnet or WebPac, and when they place holds, their library card number, PIN, name, address, phone number, etc. is transmitted. We know that the telnet data is being sent as clear text, and we suspect that the same is true with WebPac. How are other libraries dealing with this? Also, are there any words of wisdom about setting up SSL? (We're using IIS.) Do we need to go through VeriSign or can we just use MS Certificate Server to generate our own certificates? How much does it cost to get a VeriSign certificate? Thank you! Donna -- Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98506 Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us From pecautm at missouri.edu Mon Apr 9 17:35:51 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? In-Reply-To: <3AD2229C.83538DC0@timberland.lib.wa.us>; from schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:06:48PM -0700 References: <3AD2229C.83538DC0@timberland.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <20010409163549.A6085@missouri.edu> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:06:48PM -0700, Donna Schumann wrote: > We are in the process of adding a library card application form to our > web page. As we have talked about the implications of patrons filling > out an Internet form with name, phone number, address, etc., we are > coming to the conclusion that we really need to use SSL to protect > patron privacy. This now has us looking at the lack of security for > patrons placing holds over the Internet. Our patrons can access the > catalog using either telnet or WebPac, and when they place holds, their > library card number, PIN, name, address, phone number, etc. is > transmitted. We know that the telnet data is being sent as clear text, > and we suspect that the same is true with WebPac. You can use ssh and portforwarding to remedy some of this, depending on what your setup looks like and where people are connecting from. > How are other libraries dealing with this? They are not. They should. They are bad. > Also, are there any words of wisdom about setting up SSL? (We're using > IIS.) Do we need to go through VeriSign or can we just use MS > Certificate Server to generate our own certificates? How much does it > cost to get a VeriSign certificate? If you sign your own certificates, the users will get a security warning about a certificate signed by an unknown certificate authority. If you have Verisign or Thawte sign them, users won't get a warning because most browsers recognize Verisign and Thawte. Thawte is cheaper and charges about $128 for lower-end certs. I must say, it is really refreshing to hear about someone who actually cares enough to do this. Good luck. -Mark > > Thank you! Donna > > -- > Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist > Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98506 > Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: > schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us From mconroy at ohionet.org Mon Apr 9 17:38:08 2001 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: (WV) Medical Resources on the Internet - May 17 Message-ID: <45E65FF9FB4BD3118912005004A2B8F058E815@ohionetmail.ohionet.org> OHIONET Workshop in West Virginia! Medical Resources on the Internet for Healthcare Consumers and Professionals Instructor: Diane Kovacs Date: 5/17/01 Time: 9:30:00 AM-4:00:00 PM Location: Wheeling Jesuit College, West Virginia Medical information is among the most requested at libraries. In this session, you will learn how to avoid the pitfalls of health information services, and will become familiar with collections, prestigious sites, as well as some hidden treasures. Appropriate search strategies for consumer-oriented sites as well as for medical professionals will be explored. This class is accredited by MLA; attendees who complete this class will receive 5 CE credits from the Medical Library Association. Reference librarians at public, academic or special libraries Familiarity with MS Explorer or Netscape. Price: $ 85 members (INFOhio schools should prepay) $105 nonmembers must prepay Please register online http://www.ohionet.org/Training/WorkshopDescription.asp?ID=706 or see www.ohionet.org see Training Contact barb@Ohionet.org if you have questions about registration. Mary Mlynar Conroy Library Services Coordinator OHIONET, 1500 West Lane Ave, Columbus OH 43221 Fax 614/486-1527 voice 800/686-8975 (OH,PA) or 614/486-2966 ext 16 mailto:mconroy@ohionet.org From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Mon Apr 9 18:17:44 2001 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Policy Issues in Digital Reference Service In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04136299@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB04136299@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <a05010401b6f7e26ebf4c@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:55 AM -0700 9/4/01, Sloan, Bernie wrote: >need to be considered for online/digital reference services. Do they need to be associated with a physical library? Many of the Ask a services are not Does a model using multiple libraries (or other bodies, specializing in particular topics work better than a service based on one institution? Can these services be run from a traditional reference desk or should they be organized separately? If based in one institution would it be better to distribute such a service across all the staff, based on individual expertise, rather than in a traditional reference group? Should answers to queries, if approval is given by the questioner, be fed back into a public database (@&A) both as a source of information for clients and a promotional tool? Which is the best way to provide answers? For instance via a text based email or by mounting the answer on a web server and providing a URL for the answer? Many questions might be covered by a Q&A entry or an FAQ for which a URL could be given. In a large institution, such as a univerity, would such a service be more effective if the questioner was put in touch with a subject expert in the institution via email rather than the library providing an answer. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Mon Apr 9 18:12:14 2001 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Usability in Libraries In-Reply-To: <3AE097D2@webmail.uiuc.edu> References: <3AE097D2@webmail.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <p04310108b6f7e3f24458@[128.114.163.166]> "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H.L. Mencken >I understand that the chicago public library site did not pass the evaluation, >but it gets 10 million hits a month, so it must do something right ... From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Mon Apr 9 18:54:21 2001 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? Message-ID: <4069E37D10D7D4118F2500805F06658F043B01@ganymede.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Hi Donna, We're using SSL for all our booking, registration and card application functions, but not for catalog access. There is a fair amount of processing overhead for SSL connections--it's particularly noticeable when you initially set one up. (i.e.. switch from http to https) I don't think it would a good idea for something as heavily used a catalog. You do need to purchase a certificate from a certificate authority (CA), but not necessarily from Verisign. They had the inside track because their root certificates were built into the first versions of Netscape, but other CAs exist and should be seriously considered especially now that even quite old browsers know about them. The price difference can be persuasive: Versign: $349 Thawte: $125 Equifax: $99 http://www.thawte.com/certs/server/contents.html http://www.verisign.com/products/site/secure/index.html http://www.equifaxsecure.com/digitalcertificates/dc_webservcert.html We currently have a Verisign cert, but I'll likely purchase Thawte's when our current one expires. Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Schumann [mailto:schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? > > > We are in the process of adding a library card application form to our > web page. As we have talked about the implications of patrons filling > out an Internet form with name, phone number, address, etc., we are > coming to the conclusion that we really need to use SSL to protect > patron privacy. This now has us looking at the lack of security for > patrons placing holds over the Internet. Our patrons can access the > catalog using either telnet or WebPac, and when they place > holds, their > library card number, PIN, name, address, phone number, etc. is > transmitted. We know that the telnet data is being sent as clear text, > and we suspect that the same is true with WebPac. > > How are other libraries dealing with this? > > Also, are there any words of wisdom about setting up SSL? (We're using > IIS.) Do we need to go through VeriSign or can we just use MS > Certificate Server to generate our own certificates? How much does it > cost to get a VeriSign certificate? > > Thank you! Donna > > -- > Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist > Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98506 > Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: > schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us > From KaayA at trinitydc.edu Mon Apr 9 19:28:28 2001 From: KaayA at trinitydc.edu (Anne Kaay) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: PC public configuration Message-ID: <sad20d7e.031@trinitydc.edu> Hi All, I'm wondering if there are minimum standards re: library pc's: specifically, what's the recommended hard drive size, RAM, video RAM, bus speed, etc. for computers designated for public use? Please note that these machines are not running any word processing applications or office-type applications (e.g. MS Access, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.). They are only running a web browser (currently Navigator standalone) and certain plug-ins (e.g. Acrobat - what others would people suggest as standards - Windows Media player? Real Audio? Flash?). Also, they are Windows 95 pc's but we probably will upgrade to Windows NT in the future. Currently, they're 233 MHz Pentium machines with 32 MB RAM, 1.5 GB hard drive... Thanks in advance! Anne From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Mon Apr 9 20:24:24 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Online _ In-Reply-To: <sad1c978.069@husky.bloomu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010410102424.025560ac@mail.vicnet.net.au> Hi everyone, At 11:58 AM 4/9/01 -0700, William Frost wrote: >Gerry, > >It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is of limited value. > very true, for those of us that don't read Portuguese. But the reality is that some of us do need to support access to non-English resources. So out of interest, are there any other non-English digital libraries that anyone on the list is aware of. I've been thinking of compiling a list of them. Andj. From m.leggott at uwinnipeg.ca Mon Apr 9 21:42:13 2001 From: m.leggott at uwinnipeg.ca (Mark Leggott) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Cybrarian at University of Winnipeg Message-ID: <3AD264F5.BF191434@uwinnipeg.ca> Apologies for cross-posting: Cybrarian University of Winnipeg Build an Innovative New Library Program As a Senior Team Member of Western Canada?s #1 Undergraduate University You get geeked at the slightest smell of new silicon; you drop packets with traditional pBooks but can topic spot like an AI in an eBook; you know a doorway scam or sock puppet when you see one; no way will you be a meetling or JSO; you keep your cool in the midst of any upgradathon, need a Cybrarian tattoo and just want to be One with The Grid. If you understood that, you need to apply for this job... The University of Winnipeg Library invites applications for a continuing appointment to fill the newly created position of Cybrarian. The Library is entering a new era of change that offers many exciting opportunities for defining the future of librarianship - we want creative thinkers and doers who can take us to the leading edge and keep us there. Who We Are - The University of Winnipeg is one of Canada?s leading liberal undergraduate institutions. It is located in downtown Winnipeg and is a central educational, cultural and social institution in the city. The University has a diverse population of 7,000 part-time and full-time students and offers traditional programs as well as many unique areas of study. The Library is in the process of significant change and new program development, and provides a truly innovative and collaborative environment. Library Systems is a new department tasked with the development and support of the Library?s information resources and services. Who You Are - As a member of the Library management team reporting to the University Librarian, you are responsible for supervising the Systems Department and play a leadership role in the development of innovative new services. A creative approach to delivering customized services directly to the user desktop is key to this position. You will design and coordinate projects like MyLibrary, the Scholar?s Web, the virtual reference environment and others. Your strong technology and communications skills online as well as in the real world will help shape these services. You will also participate in reference and collections development activities. What You Need - The successful candidate will have a degree from an ALA-accredited institution or equivalent accreditation in library and information science with a minimum of 3-5 years experience in an academic setting (or awesome experience crammed into a shorter timeframe); experience with the development of Web-based information services as well as an advanced knowledge of new and emerging digital library technologies and standards; demonstrated success as an innovator with a creative spark and a strong team approach to development together with outstanding interpersonal communication and organizational skills (personal and virtual). What You Get - This is a continuing appointment with academic status. Librarians are appointed to one of 4 ranks depending on qualifications and experience. The appointment is effective July 1, 2001, but date of appointment may be adjusted to suit the needs of the successful candidate. Applications will be accepted until April 20 and should include curriculum vitae, names of 3 or more referees and a covering letter providing an overview and discussion of qualifications and interests as they relate to this position. Digital demos will also be accepted. In accordance with Canadian Immigration requirements, this advertisement is directed to Canadian citizens and permanent residents of Canada. The University of Winnipeg is committed to employment equity, welcomes diversity in the workplace and encourages applications from all qualified individuals including women, members of visible minorities, aboriginal persons and persons with disabilities. Applications should be sent to: Mark Leggott, University Librarian University of Winnipeg Library <http://cybrary.uwinnipeg.ca> 515 Portage Ave., Winnipeg, MB Canada R3B 2E9 m.leggott@uwinnipeg.ca ICQ#14202936 204-786-9801 FAX 204-783-8910 From syu at purdue.edu Mon Apr 9 22:02:23 2001 From: syu at purdue.edu (Song Yu) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Message-ID: <NDBBIAFDFFFJHOLIJGPHKELNKKAA.syu@purdue.edu> Here, I have one: http://periodical1.chinainfo.gov.cn/english.html By WanFang Data Co. Ltd. It is a collections of e-periodicals in China. Collections mainly in Chinese, English publications also available. Free access for now. Song. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Song Yu Chemical Information Specialist Email: syu@purdue.edu M. G. Mellon Library of Chemistry Phone: 765-496-7279 Purdue University Libraries Fax: 765-494-1579 West Lafayette, IN 47906 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Cunningham Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library Hi everyone, At 11:58 AM 4/9/01 -0700, William Frost wrote: >Gerry, > >It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is of limited value. > very true, for those of us that don't read Portuguese. But the reality is that some of us do need to support access to non-English resources. So out of interest, are there any other non-English digital libraries that anyone on the list is aware of. I've been thinking of compiling a list of them. Andj. From wiggins at mail.com Mon Apr 9 22:11:26 2001 From: wiggins at mail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? Message-ID: <386134924.986868686392.JavaMail.root@web149-mc> This is a hot button issue for me. When Netscape first promulgated SSL, I think they conveyed a huge false sense of security to all of us. Implemented properly, SSL covers transmission of transactions over the Web. It does nothing to address the security of content stored in your back-end databases. There was a wonderful Dilbert about the safety of transactions on the Web. Two of the characters are out to eat. One is pontificating about how he would NEVER buy anything on the Internet; it's just not safe. He pays with a credit card while pontificating. The server (waitron) comes back wearing a new mink coat. IMHO, it's great and good to protect your patrons' transmission of confidential information to your servers. In practice, I believe for most patrons, the real risk of interception of that information is extremely low -- in most cases, practically nil. If the patron is dialing into an ISP, I simply refuse to believe that there are people at that ISP, or at the intervening networks between the ISP and the library, intercepting traffic. Where there is a risk of interception is where Internet pipes are shared in a way susceptible to sniffing. Potentially, patrons entering confidential information at a cybercafe, or in a public lab in a university, or over an office LAN, might have their information intercepted. So that's why it's worth doing SSL. (Though I think any sniffers probably seek credit card numbers, not library transaction data.) But the real question is, what do you do to secure the information on your servers? This is where real compromises of privacy occur. There have been a dozen or more stories of real breakins to back-end servers, where thousands of private records, including credit card numbers, have been compromised. C'mon, when was the last time you read a news story about a SINGLE instance of someone sniffing private information during transmission between end user Web browser and remote e-commerce server? I will donate $100 to the favorite charity of the first person who can cite a credible news story of such an interception of a confidential business transaction. So ask not if the Internet is secure, ask if your servers are secure. How is the data in your back-end databases protected? Is it encrypted? Is it behind a firewall? Has anyone done an audit to make sure basic, known security holes are closed? Do you purge confidential data from servers when no longer needed for business reasons? These issues are from 100 to 1000 times more important than any issues relating to interception of your patron data during Internet transmission. Consider these real news stories: 350,000 credit card numbers stolen, posted on the Net: http://www.infowar.com/hacker/00/hack_030300e_j.shtml Thousands of Western Union customers' credit card numbers stolen: http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/business/story/0,2469,500249389-500371754-502230294-0,00.html Two Welsh teens steal 26,000 credit cards online: http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/internetcrime/2000/03/24/curador0324_01.html /rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Schumann [mailto:schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? > > > We are in the process of adding a library card application form to our > web page. As we have talked about the implications of patrons filling > out an Internet form with name, phone number, address, etc., we are > coming to the conclusion that we really need to use SSL to protect > patron privacy. This now has us looking at the lack of security for > patrons placing holds over the Internet. Our patrons can access the > catalog using either telnet or WebPac, and when they place > holds, their > library card number, PIN, name, address, phone number, etc. is > transmitted. We know that the telnet data is being sent as clear text, > and we suspect that the same is true with WebPac. > > How are other libraries dealing with this? > > Also, are there any words of wisdom about setting up SSL? (We're using > IIS.) Do we need to go through VeriSign or can we just use MS > Certificate Server to generate our own certificates? How much does it > cost to get a VeriSign certificate? > > Thank you! Donna > > -- > Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist > Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98506 > Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: > schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------ End of WEB4LIB Digest 2202 ************************** __________________________________________________ Richard Wiggins Consulting, Writing & Training on Internet Topics http://www.netfact.com/rww wiggins@mail.com 517-349-6919 (home office) 517-353-4955 (work) ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Mon Apr 9 23:32:21 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library In-Reply-To: <NDBBIAFDFFFJHOLIJGPHKELNKKAA.syu@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010410133221.0069c4bc@mail.vicnet.net.au> Hi everyone, for those interested ... i've started to throw together a list ... At 07:05 PM 4/9/01 -0700, Song Yu wrote: >Here, I have one: > >http://periodical1.chinainfo.gov.cn/english.html > >By WanFang Data Co. Ltd. It is a collections of e-periodicals in China. >Collections mainly in Chinese, English publications also available. Free >access for now. > >Song. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >Song Yu >Chemical Information Specialist Email: syu@purdue.edu >M. G. Mellon Library of Chemistry Phone: 765-496-7279 >Purdue University Libraries Fax: 765-494-1579 >West Lafayette, IN 47906 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On >Behalf Of Andrew Cunningham >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:25 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library > >Hi everyone, > >At 11:58 AM 4/9/01 -0700, William Frost wrote: >>Gerry, >> >>It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not >speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is >of limited value. >> > >very true, for those of us that don't read Portuguese. But the reality is >that some of us do need to support access to non-English resources. > >So out of interest, are there any other non-English digital libraries that >anyone on the list is aware of. I've been thinking of compiling a list of >them. > >Andj. > > From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Mon Apr 9 23:33:12 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:10 2005 Subject: [mclforum] Re: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010410133221.0069c4bc@mail.vicnet.net.au> References: <NDBBIAFDFFFJHOLIJGPHKELNKKAA.syu@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010410133312.0069b8bc@mail.vicnet.net.au> Sorry forgot to include the url http://www.openroad.net.au/mcl/diglib.html Andj At 01:32 PM 4/10/01 +1000, Andrew Cunningham wrote: >Hi everyone, > >for those interested ... i've started to throw together a list ... > > >At 07:05 PM 4/9/01 -0700, Song Yu wrote: >>Here, I have one: >> >>http://periodical1.chinainfo.gov.cn/english.html >> >>By WanFang Data Co. Ltd. It is a collections of e-periodicals in China. >>Collections mainly in Chinese, English publications also available. Free >>access for now. >> >>Song. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>Song Yu >>Chemical Information Specialist Email: syu@purdue.edu >>M. G. Mellon Library of Chemistry Phone: 765-496-7279 >>Purdue University Libraries Fax: 765-494-1579 >>West Lafayette, IN 47906 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On >>Behalf Of Andrew Cunningham >>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:25 PM >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>At 11:58 AM 4/9/01 -0700, William Frost wrote: >>>Gerry, >>> >>>It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not >>speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is >>of limited value. >>> >> >>very true, for those of us that don't read Portuguese. But the reality is >>that some of us do need to support access to non-English resources. >> >>So out of interest, are there any other non-English digital libraries that >>anyone on the list is aware of. I've been thinking of compiling a list of >>them. >> >>Andj. >> >> > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >mclforum-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se Tue Apr 10 08:57:55 2001 From: Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se (Traugott.Koch@ub2.lu.se) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: Networked Knowledge Organization Systems, special issue of JoDI published Message-ID: <200104101257.OAA12029@irlib.lub.lu.se> Journal of Digital Information announces A SPECIAL ISSUE on Networked Knowledge Organization Systems (Volume 1, issue 8, April 2001) Guest Editor: Traugott Koch, Lund University, Sweden From the special issue editorial "Knowledge Organization Systems can comprise thesauri and other controlled lists of keywords, ontologies, classification systems, clustering approaches, taxonomies, gazetteers, dictionaries, lexical databases, concept maps/spaces, semantic road maps, etc. These schemas enable knowledge structuring and management, knowledge-based data processing and systematic access to knowledge structures in individual collections and digital libraries. Used as interactive information services on the Internet they have an increased potential to support the description, discovery and retrieval of heterogeneous information resources and to contribute to an overall resource discovery infrastructure." http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/editorial/ The issue includes the following papers: S. Cranefield, Networked knowledge representation and exchange using UML and RDF http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/Cranefield/ M. Doerr, Semantic Problems of Thesaurus Mapping http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/Doerr/ J. Hunter, MetaNet - A Metadata Term Thesaurus to Enable Sematic Interoperability between Metadata Domains http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/Hunter/ K. Miller, B. Matthews, Having the right connections: the LIMBER project http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/Miller/ D. Tudhope, H. Alani, C. Jones, Augmenting thesaurus relationships: possibilities for retrieval http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/Articles/v01/i08/Tudhope/ The Journal of Digital Information is an electronic journal published only via the Web. http://jodi.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ (NOTE: JoDI no longer requires that you need to log-in to view papers) -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | TRAUGOTT KOCH, Senior librarian, Digital Library Scientist | NETLAB, Lund Univ. Library Development Dept. and IT Dept. | at the Technical Knowledge Center & Library of Denmark. | NetLab: P.O. Box 3. S-221 00 Lund, Sweden | Tel: int+46 46 2229233 Fax: int+46 46 2223682 | E-mail: traugott.koch@ub2.lu.se | Personal homepage: http://www.lub.lu.se/koch.html +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From pecautm at missouri.edu Tue Apr 10 09:17:42 2001 From: pecautm at missouri.edu (Mark Pecaut) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? In-Reply-To: <386134924.986868686392.JavaMail.root@web149-mc>; from wiggins@mail.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:15:12PM -0700 References: <386134924.986868686392.JavaMail.root@web149-mc> Message-ID: <20010410081742.A2924@missouri.edu> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:15:12PM -0700, Richard Wiggins wrote: > > IMHO, it's great and good to protect your patrons' transmission of > confidential information to your servers. In practice, I believe > for most patrons, the real risk of interception of that information > is extremely low -- in most cases, practically nil. If the patron > is dialing into an ISP, I simply refuse to believe that there are > people at that ISP, or at the intervening networks between the ISP > and the library, intercepting traffic. It doesn't have to be someone at the ISP. If someone breaks into an ISP's computer they could install a packet sniffer and get information from there. Many ISPs don't know anything about security. > > Where there is a risk of interception is where Internet pipes are > shared in a way susceptible to sniffing. Potentially, patrons > entering confidential information at a cybercafe, or in a public lab > in a university, or over an office LAN, might have their information > intercepted. So that's why it's worth doing SSL. (Though I think > any sniffers probably seek credit card numbers, not library transaction > data.) Yes, but it is not just about protecting against likely threats. People don't think about it too much, but they trust the library to guard their privacy. We destroy checkout information regularly, but we don't do anything to protect Social Security Number transmissions on the wire. This is stupid. It is not very likely that someone would try to get previous checkout records from us, but we still destroy those records. But why aren't we protecting the SSNs? > But the real question is, what do you do to secure the information on > your servers? This is where real compromises of privacy occur. This is true, but it is more likely to get attention from the system administrator. Why? Because a breakin is embarassing for the system administrator, while someone harvesting private data via packet sniffing isn't. > There have been a dozen or more stories of real breakins to back-end > servers, where thousands of private records, including credit card numbers, > have been compromised. C'mon, when was the last time you read a news story > about a SINGLE instance of someone sniffing private information during > transmission between end user Web browser and remote e-commerce server? But we really have no way of knowing, do we? This is why the threat is easy to ignore - it is impossible to know if someone has stolen the information on the wire because there is little or no evidence it has been stolen. Smart crackers will always leave some kind of evidence behind during a system breakin, but even the stupidest of packet sniffers leaves virtually zero evidence about their activities. > So ask not if the Internet is secure, ask if your servers are secure. People aren't asking either question because it is too hard. Very sad. I agree that priority should be given to secure your own systems, but both deserve attention, especially from a trusted institution like a library. -Mark From laurie.sabol at tufts.edu Tue Apr 10 09:50:24 2001 From: laurie.sabol at tufts.edu (Laurie Sabol) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: announcing a new website Message-ID: <3AD30FA0.EBF908B7@tufts.edu> I invite you to look at a new website, Child and Family News WebGuide (http://www.cfw.tufts.edu/), designed and built by a project team composed of librarians and child development faculty at Tufts University. The website, designed for students and parents, rates and reviews research-based websites in child development, thereby reducing the frustration that so many people encounter when they search the web. Like many websites, it is a work in progress, and as time goes on, more sites and subtopics will be added. I participated in various aspects of the project development. One of my primary roles was to teach web searching and evaluation to a class of child development undergrads, who searched for and evaluated (based on a checklist that we developed) on hundreds of sites. To implement this, I collaborated closely with child development teaching faculty. Final evaluations were conducted by specially trained child development grad students. I also planned and delivered an extremely rewarding -if tiring!- 1/2 day workshop for faculty, teaching web searching, evaluation and (to a lesser extent) integration of web-based assignments into their curriculum. I'm happy to answer any questions about my role, or the general development of the site. Feel free to email me. Laurie Sabol Instruction Coordinator Tisch Library at Tufts University Medford MA 02155 From chrisd at lcls.org Tue Apr 10 10:12:54 2001 From: chrisd at lcls.org (Chris Deweese) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? Message-ID: <200104100912.AA10092792@mailman.lcls.org> Server Security isnt the only issue, you can have the most secure server you want. But if your workstations arent secure or if you have attacment happy employees who will open anything from Netbus to Backoriface then guess what? So much for secure servers. While servers are the target most hackers wont bother attacking a networks server if they can find a weak workstation to put a trojan on and then they can compromise the server by sniffing passwords on the workstation or just using the workstations mapped network shares or finding password files. Also if someone is sniffing a network they have to be doing it from that networks "side." For instance I can't go home and sniff my library systems network from my cable modem. I need a router or a workstation or a server that I compromised on the systems network to do the sniffing. So if someone is sniffing they are sniffing from inside your network and its being transmitted to them. Internet security is very broad and in its most strict depths requires more work than just making sure you have service packs and patches installed. SSL and encrypted telnet (SSH) are great tools to use to protect information. They are only as good as the password used to decrypt and also that the private key is hidden from anyone. While SSH can be found in free forms under the GNU public license, SSL is definately on the expensive side. But I believe the points presented are that it takes more than just SSL to keep things more secure than they would be without it. Chris Deweese Webmaster Lewis & Clark Library System (http://www.lcls.lib.il.us/) From DWilliams at law.pace.edu Tue Apr 10 11:05:03 2001 From: DWilliams at law.pace.edu (Williams, David) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Dat a? Message-ID: <3B8A6F08ACE2D3118C310090277A4A9601F3F367@caleb.law.pace.edu> Secure Remote Password is also nice. I'm not sure it support tunneling though.: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~tjw/srp/ Dave Williams Pace Law Library -----Original Message----- From: Chris Deweese To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 4/10/01 10:05 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. <<message.txt>> From cockbuba at jmu.edu Tue Apr 10 11:14:44 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: statistics for academic library web Message-ID: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGIEJFCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> We, at JMU, are in need of revising what statistics we gather regarding our web presence (and technology in general). Would those of you in academic libraries be willing to give some advice on what objective data is most useful to capture? We want to capture data that best illustrates impact on learning community and how much we have accomplished with resources at hand. We have good data for electronic resources and other more library oriented functions. Thanks for any help you might be able to offer, or any reports or standards you might be able to point me towards BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From bettbell at indiana.edu Tue Apr 10 12:36:43 2001 From: bettbell at indiana.edu (Bell, Betty) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: Posting Message-ID: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA066F521F@delaware.exchange.indiana.edu> STAFF VACANCY <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Position Title: Library Web Administrator Rank: PA15 Position Number: 010Y2M Account Number: 10-474-11 DEPARTMENT OR CAMPUS LIBRARY: Libraries DESCRIPTION OF POSITION: Under the direction of the Director of Library Information Technology Services, and in consultation with the Associate Deans, serves as the lead web architect; coordinates the development and implementation of a usability plan for the IUB Libraries Web Site; oversees and implements the redesign of the current Web site utilizing recommendations of usability and Web architecture consultants' reports; monitors and implements appropriate changes in Web technology and software in cooperation with technical support staff; heads the Web policy Committee and the Web Working Team; represents the Libraries in appropriate University and national groups and committees; coordinates training of staff in the use of Web development tools to support a decentralized network of Web developers; carries out new projects as appropriate. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: MLS/MIS or equivalent experience and education; knowledge of Web architecture principles with understanding of graphic design elements; project management/leadership skills; experience in building database-backed dynamic Web sites; collaborative/consensus building skills; sophisticated understanding of the role of technology in the provision of information resources/services; advanced HTML; excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong organizational skills; creativity; user-focus; problem-solving skills. Preferred: working knowledge of some combination of UNIX, CGI, Perl, Java Script, Java, SGML, XML; knowledge of Web accessibility/usability norms and guidelines; experience with and understanding of a research environment and academic electronic resources, library services and databases. Please include a letter of application, a professional vita, and names, addresses and phone number of four references. APPLY TO: Yolanda Cooper-Birdine Libraries Human Resources Main Library C-201 855-8196 This job posting will be posted until the position is filled. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From strubsa at bu.edu Tue Apr 10 13:08:49 2001 From: strubsa at bu.edu (Sarah Struble) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: _SciELO: Scientific Electronic Library In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010410102424.025560ac@mail.vicnet.net.au> Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10104101306250.183192-100000@acsrs1.bu.edu> It's not completely non-English, but the New Zealand Digital Library includes collections in Arabic, Chinese, and Maori. http://www.nzdl.org/cgi-bin/library -Sarah **************************** Sarah Struble Health Sciences Bibliographer & Hospitality Administration Bibliographer Mugar Memorial Library Boston University Boston, MA 02215 strubsa@bu.edu phone 617.353.3714 fax 617.353.2084 **************************** On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Andrew Cunningham wrote: > Hi everyone, > > At 11:58 AM 4/9/01 -0700, William Frost wrote: > >Gerry, > > > >It is indeed a nice site with free full text. For those of us who do not > speak Portugese, the language of most of these publications, the access is > of limited value. > > > > very true, for those of us that don't read Portuguese. But the reality is > that some of us do need to support access to non-English resources. > > So out of interest, are there any other non-English digital libraries that > anyone on the list is aware of. I've been thinking of compiling a list of > them. > > Andj. > > > > From melinton at sbc.edu Tue Apr 10 13:27:16 2001 From: melinton at sbc.edu (Liz Linton) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: Library User Interface Issues Message-ID: <3AD3425F.7683E14B@sbc.edu> Announcing new list for librarians - LUII: Library User Interface Issues is a forum for librarians, usability engineers, user experience strategists and other professionals to discuss issues of usability as they apply to online subscription resources in the library environment. I hope that together we can create usability standards for online products that are marketed to libraries, and develop a useful website for rating usability. Most of all, by communicating together, we can improve the usability of existing and future services. A rudimentary web site is taking shape at: http://www.cochran.sbc.edu/luii/ I welcome your suggestions and discussion. Sincerely, Liz Linton Electronic Resources Librarian Sweet Briar College 804-381-6315 melinton@sbc.edu To read this list on the web, please visit: http://www.topica.com/lists/luii From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Tue Apr 10 13:54:41 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Data? References: <3AD2229C.83538DC0@timberland.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <002501c0c1e7$54ef7800$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> From: "Donna Schumann" <schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us> > We are in the process of adding a library card application form to our > web page. Hmmmm, the response has been interesting regarding SSL. However, to play devil's advocate, I'm wondering more about how putting a library card app on the web would really work -- we require a signature, proof of residency, and a photo I.D. How are you going to verify this information on the web? A library card is essentially a form of credit. We employ a collection agency due to the fact that we have patrons run up hundreds of dollars worth of fines and charges. I'm wondering how you'll verify the information submitted, and how having the form on the web will improve your services... 2 cents, Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Apr 10 14:49:36 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: Opera 5.10 Message-ID: <001d01c0c1ef$573305c0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Since Web4Lib has had some discussion of the adware/commercial browser Opera in the past, I thought I'd point out that version 5.10 has been released. There's a feature summary at <URL:http://www.opera.com/opera5/new.html>. My initial playing around with it suggests that the increased support for CSS and DOM, barely hinted at in the release notes, is in fact a substantial improvement. It also seems to be faster than 5.02. The still need to hammer out absolute positioning, though. And Unicode and full HTML 4 support are still (at least) a major release away. Ah, well, no rest for the weary. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Tue Apr 10 15:36:15 2001 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does Your Library Use SSL to Protect Patron Dat a? Message-ID: <4069E37D10D7D4118F2500805F06658F043B1D@ganymede.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> > However, to play devil's advocate... Mike, It turns out your client is our patron. ;-) When patrons fill in the library card application <http://www.rpl.richmond.bc.ca/libraryonline/>, the data is stored for up to three weeks in a temporary database after which it is automatically deleted. During that period the patron must come in and provide ID at which time the record they've created is assigned a bar code and then uploaded to our ILS. Wouldn't it be great if everyone had a digital certificate though? The service benefits are derived from resource reallocation because staff don't have to re-key the data. In addition, transcription errors are eliminated and the full patron record is online right away. Mark Ellis Manager, Reference and Information Services Richmond Public Library Richmond, B.C. (604) 231-6410 www.yourlibrary.ca From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Tue Apr 10 15:19:32 2001 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] statistics for academic library web In-Reply-To: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGIEJFCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> References: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGIEJFCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> Message-ID: <p04310102b6f90a5eddeb@[128.114.163.166]> I'm working on a campus committee here looking into this issue. We're designing two surveys, one about infrastructure (servers) and another about content (pages). I'm on the infrastructure workgroup and I'm not at all comfortable with the content side of the project. So far it seems that they wish to do a census or enumeration of pages and then attach costs to them, a process which can't help but fail. I've been talking to them about other kinds of measures -- such as number of connections into your site, for effectiveness, or whether you've had the site vetted for accessibility, for quality -- which might give a more realistic idea of quality. It would seem also that stats as to what percent of your site is getting hit might say something -- I'd guess we'd see an iceberg profile with only a small part of the top levels ever getting visited -- but the analysis would be the more valuable indicator. So far, I've had no takers and they are moving ahead with the tedious survey. I also thought that some of the methods used to measure reference service effectiveness might apply. For instance, come up with a list of 100 questions regarding campus services and resources and see whether they can be answered via the Web site. In researching methodology, I did find one book on this topic: Buchanan, Robert W., 1949- Measuring the impact of your Web site / Robert W. Buchanan, Jr., Charles Lukaszewski New York : Wiley Computer Pub., c1997 -- Lee Jaffe >We, at JMU, are in need of revising what statistics we gather regarding our >web presence (and technology in general). Would those of you in academic >libraries be willing to give some advice on what objective data is most >useful to capture? We want to capture data that best illustrates impact on >learning community and how much we have accomplished with resources at hand. >We have good data for electronic resources and other more library oriented >functions. > >Thanks for any help you might be able to offer, or any reports or standards >you might be able to point me towards > >BAC > >Brian Cockburn >Digital Services Librarian >James Madison University >VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu >Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From boehning at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Tue Apr 10 18:05:41 2001 From: boehning at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Karen Boehning) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: Job Announcement Message-ID: <3AD383B5.D254F7A4@axp.winnefox.org> NT Server Manager Note: This position is open due to an internal promotion. The Winnefox Library System is looking an NT server manager. Winnefox is located in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, and serves 30 libraries in five counties. Winnefox operates a shared automation system using DRA software. The automated system has been in use since 1985 as a separately funded program, Winnefox Automated Library Services (WALS). The position will work with a team of four others to manage the servers, PCs and network used for library automation, Internet access and e-mail. NT servers also host file sharing, CD-ROM products, anti-virus protection software (Norton Antivirus), and local history files. Eighteen Winnefox libraries are currently automated using the shared system (DRA), and 6 more will be added in the next 2 years. WALS libraries are on a T1/fiber-optic network. The shared system is being run on a DEC Alpha computer using the VMS operating system and an NT server. WALS has implemented DRA's Web2 catalog, and uses DRA's report writer software for custom reports. Library applications will move from the Alpha to NT servers as the library migrates to DRA's TAOS products. Qualifications-Required * A minimum of 2 years NT server administration experience, including Microsoft's Internet Information Server. * Significant experience providing technical support for networked NT PCs. * Experience with web server implementation and development. * Excellent problem-solving skills. * Good verbal and written skills for developing instructional material and documentation. * Ability to handle details and understand complex and interrelated processes. * Ability to carry out written and oral instructions. * Proficiency with word processing, spreadsheet, and database programs. * Ability and willingness to cross-train co-workers in NT administrative tasks. * Excellent customer service skills. Qualifications-Preferred * Experience with trouble-shooting computer LANs, WANs and network printers. * Knowledge of telecommunications technology. * Familiarity with remote control software, such as PCAnywhere. * Experience with a library automation system, especially DRA. * Programming skills * Knowledge of other server operating systems. Education An undergraduate degree in computer science/information technology is preferred. An associate degree in the above areas, or any combination of experience and training which provides the knowledge and abilities described above, will also be considered Special Requirements Must obtain and maintain a valid Wisconsin driver's license. Must have the ability respond to trouble calls throughout the Winnefox library system which includes traveling to all member libraries in a personal vehicle. Must be able to climb stairs, kneel, crouch, bend, stretch, and occasionally lift up to 40 lbs. Salary and Benefits The job description and salary range for this will depend on the education, skills, and previous experience of the successful candidate. The expected range is $35,343 to $45,115. Winnefox offers a generous fringe benefit package that includes paid health and life insurance. Send letter of application, resume, and three references to: Karen Boehning, Automation Coordinator Winnefox Library System, 106 Washington Avenue, Oshkosh, WI, 54901 or boehning@winnefox.org. For more information about Winnefox, see: http://www.winnefox.org/ For more information about Oshkosh, Wisconsin, see: http://www.oshkoshonthewater.com/ From dspp at operamail.com Tue Apr 10 16:09:46 2001 From: dspp at operamail.com (D. Popeck) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Opera 5.10 Message-ID: <3AFF7C16@operamail.com> ><URL:http://www.opera.com/opera5/new.html>. My initial playing around >with it suggests that the increased support for CSS and DOM, barely hinted >at in the release notes, is in fact a substantial improvement. It also >seems to be faster than 5.02. I'd interested to know if anyone feels this version is a worthy upgrade. I still use 3.62 despite having registered 5.0. Perhaps it is just perception, but 3.62 seems more stable and speedy. D. Popeck Madison Library From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Tue Apr 10 15:47:44 2001 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC public configuration In-Reply-To: <sad20d7e.031@trinitydc.edu> References: <sad20d7e.031@trinitydc.edu> Message-ID: <p04310103b6f90dbda901@[128.114.163.166]> I think there are two important factors in making these decisions; one, a complex consideration of use and support and, two, market forces. These days market forces are setting a higher minimum than you'd come up with using the more involved determinations. In other words, you can't buy a computer lower than a capability already higher than what you think you need. And, besides, the prices are getting so low that you have to ask yourself, "Why not?" As an example, for Windows machines, we buy from Dell. Right now we're looking at their Optiplex GX150 line and specifically the small-form case for catalog area stations. The base model comes with 64MB RAM but it costs only $43.61 to add another 64MB. On the other hand, the smallest drive available with this model is a 10GB, which is overkill for this application, but I wouldn't dump this model just because I'd worked out that 6GB was adequate. Nor will I spend the extra $25.81 to increase to a 20GB drive. Again, there is a $50 difference between their least expensive 15" monitor and the least expensive 17" model. Unless I had some hard limitation on monitor size -- space, power consumption, heat gain -- the larger monitor is a no-brainer. (Note; we have problems in all three areas and I might decide to buy these from Dell w/out monitors in order to buy LCD displays through other channels.) Finally, the total comes to $922. That's quite a bit lower than what a basic system cost me last year. I might go back in and bump up the CPU speed just for the hell of it. I could spend a lot of time trying to develop standards, but what you can buy sets much more concrete limits that the other considerations don't really factor in. -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz At 4:55 PM -0700 4/9/01, Anne Kaay wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm wondering if there are minimum standards re: library pc's: >specifically, what's the recommended hard drive size, RAM, video >RAM, bus speed, etc. for computers designated for public use? > >Please note that these machines are not running any word processing >applications or office-type applications (e.g. MS Access, Excel, >PowerPoint, etc.). > >They are only running a web browser (currently Navigator standalone) >and certain plug-ins (e.g. Acrobat - what others would people >suggest as standards - Windows Media player? Real Audio? Flash?). >Also, they are Windows 95 pc's but we probably will upgrade to >Windows NT in the future. Currently, they're 233 MHz Pentium >machines with 32 MB RAM, 1.5 GB hard drive... > >Thanks in advance! > >Anne From jschult at elmira.edu Tue Apr 10 17:08:36 2001 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC public configuration References: <sad20d7e.031@trinitydc.edu> Message-ID: <006e01c0c202$68675720$02898c0a@elmira.edu> > I'm wondering if there are minimum standards re: library pc's: specifically, what's the recommended hard drive size, RAM, video RAM, bus speed, etc. for computers designated for public use? > I, too have the pleasure of ordering and setting up new PCs this year. We are a US gov docs depository library, and so have some minimum standards which you might find useful -- as might others on the list. They are on the web at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/fdlp/computers/mtr.html . The ones I'm ordering will be over the minimum, of course. In case anyone is interested, we're going with Pentium IIIs (933 Mhz or better) because our IT people are not thrilled with the Pentium IV which runs hotter and uses more electricity, and aren't being run at their most efficient yet, though they may be better used by the fall. I'm going with 256 MB RAM, Zip and DVD and hopefully CD-read/writeable. I'd say 128 MB is a minimum on RAM. ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From dspp at operamail.com Tue Apr 10 17:57:14 2001 From: dspp at operamail.com (D. Popeck) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:11 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: PC public configuration Message-ID: <3B008AF2@operamail.com> >The ones I'm ordering will be over the minimum, of course. In case anyone >is interested, we're going with Pentium IIIs (933 Mhz or better) because our >IT people are not thrilled with the Pentium IV which runs hotter and uses >more electricity, and aren't being run at their most efficient yet, though >they may be better used by the fall. I'm going with 256 MB RAM, Zip and DVD >and hopefully CD-read/writeable. I'd say 128 MB is a minimum on RAM. Does anyone use DVD at their libraries? I have not upgraded at home or work (especially since CD ROMs are dirt cheap now.) Perhaps there is valuable software on DVD out there, but we have no "need" for DVD as far as I can tell. D. Popeck Madison Library From valapublicity at yahoo.com.au Wed Apr 11 01:30:31 2001 From: valapublicity at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Simon=20Huggard?=) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:12 2005 Subject: Reminder: VALA2002 Conference - Call for papers - deadline 14/5/2001 Message-ID: <20010411053031.61074.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Apologies for cross-posting. ____________________________________________ CALL FOR PAPERS - DEADLINE 14 MAY, 2001 ____________________________________________ VALA2002 11th Biennial Conference and Exhibition e-VOLVING INFORMATION FUTURES _____________________________ 6-8 February 2002 Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre http://www.vala.org.au/conf2002.htm You are invited to submit abstracts addressing electronic information and e-volving future developments. Topics may include (but are not limited to): e-nabling technologies e-services ---------------------- ---------- ? Data mining ? Learning environment ? Broadband / Narrowband ? Consortia ? Portability ? Licensing and copyright ? Wireless technology ? Infotainment ? IT strategic planning ? Disintermediation ? Remediation e-commerce / e-business ? Frictionless futures ----------------------- ? Personalisation ? User authentication ? Portals ? Rights management ? Enquiry services ? Accessibility ? Psychology of the Internet ? Security ? 24 hour support ? Privacy ? User interfaces ? Interoperability ? Standards ? Managing digital objects ? Commercial information delivery e-content --------- ? The library as the Internet ? The digital divide ? e-books / e-ink ? Archiving / preservation of electronic resources ? Digital / electronic publishing ? Metadata ? Integrating library systems ? Mark-up languages ? Structured documents ? Performance measures and statistical data ? Digitization ? Electronic reserve PREPARATION OF YOUR ABSTRACT Please refer instructions on the VALA2002 Conference Web Site at: http://www.vala.org.au/conf2002.htm ? The deadline for abstract submission is 14 May, 2001. Please forward two copies of each abstract to: VALA2002 Conference Organisers' Office Waldron Smith Management 61 Danks Street Port Melbourne VIC 3207 AUSTRALIA Telephone: +61 3 9645 6311 Facsimile: +61 3 9645 6322 OR e-mail to: wscn@convention.net.au FURTHER INFORMATION AND MAIN ANNOUNCEMENT BROCHURE The Main Announcement and Registration Brochure will be issued in August 2001. If you would like to receive the Main Announcement and Registration Brochure please contact the VALA2002 Conference Organisers' Office. If you may be interested in holding a workshop in conjunction with the conference, please contact the VALA2002 Conference Organisers' Office. SPONSORSHIP & EXHIBITION Expressions of interest are invited from companies and organisations to participate as a sponsor and/or exhibitor at VALA2002: 11th Biennial Conference and Exhibition "e-VOLVING INFORMATION FUTURES". Further information regarding the various marketing opportunities available can be obtained from the Conference Organisers' Office. VALA2002 Conference Organisers Office Waldron Smith Management 61 Danks Street Port Melbourne VIC 3207 Telephone: (03) 9645 6311 Facsimile: (03) 9645 6311 Email: wscn@convention.net.au The registration brochure, detailing a comprehensive program will be available for distribution in August 2001. Simon Huggard VALA President Victorian Association for Library Automation Inc. Reg No A11933 ABN 75 344 574 577 P.O. Box 282 Croydon VIC 3136 Phone: + 61 3 9725 2725 Fax: + 61 3 9723 6097 Email: vala@vala.org.au _____________________________________________________________________________ http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Now showing: Dude Where's My Car, The Wedding Planner, Traffic.. From danforth at tiac.net Fri Apr 13 08:37:13 2001 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:14 2005 Subject: talking browsers Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20010413083713.00825db0@sunspot.tiac.net> Has anyone done any testing with the browsers mentioned here? http://www.msnbc.com/news/557492.asp?0na=2235150j The browsers are Web Media and Fast Browser. Anyone use them on a public access machine? Isabel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth danforth@tiac.net Russell Library - Middletown, CT http://russelllibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From shaffer at uic.edu Fri Apr 13 10:57:51 2001 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Chris Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New.net: Giving you the TLD's that ICANN('T)... In-Reply-To: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB242A@alpha> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010413095435.02d956a0@tigger.cc.uic.edu> > > But is this New.net domain system something that > > "undermines the existing Internet"? > >How many people are going to install a new browser plug-in just to access >the .foobar domain? Not very many. Their hope for success is signing up ISPs. For example, EarthLink, one of the largest US providers, is automatically linking subscribers to New.net domains. See http://www.new.net/help_isp_info.tp for more info. According to the New.net homepage, there are currently 16 million people with access to New.net domains. ----- Chris Shaffer, Technology Coordinator National Network of Libraries of Medicine, Greater Midwest Region Library of the Health Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago shaffer@uic.edu http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/gmr/ 312-996-2464 (voice) 312-996-2226 (fax) From dchud at umich.edu Fri Apr 13 12:37:39 2001 From: dchud at umich.edu (Daniel Chudnov) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:14 2005 Subject: new.net and other gTLDs Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104131216020.559-100000@qix.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> Folks, there's a lot more to this story than any of these stories seems to want to report. Essentially, beware press hype around stuff like new.net, like Julia (I think) pointed out it's an ugly hack from the not-necessarily-to-be-trusted incubator Idealab. But that doesn't mean that a little bit of anarchy can't be a good thing. Several other collective or commercial efforts are working at the same goals, and several of them are working together on coordinating certain aspects to avoid name collisions and such. Somebody pointed out on web4lib already that there's already a .lib, right (see the pacroot link below for proof)? Simply put, the domain name system with its current TLDs isn't set in stone, it's just that most ISPs choose to go along with the well-known names. Lots of alternatives already exist, are up, and accessible, and you can see/use them for yourself simply by adding one of their public nameservers to your own machine's config. There are also many, many political angles to this, of which the ongoing fuss about the wacky "$50K please, next!" policy we all heard about is only one. Our community could do much to support these alternative efforts by, for instance, encouraging our local institutions' dns admins to support some of these alternate roots. Wouldn't you want to be yourlibraryname.lib? Check out the following, and click around for more, of course: http://www.opennic.unrated.net/ http://www.alternic.org/ http://www.pacificroot.com The Librarian Playbook (tm) might suggest a response such as "Shocked, shocked I am that anyone would propose to confront the existing technical infrastructure upon which we depend with such a collectively sustainable approach that forces us to reconsider how we might help enable more voices to be heard in that great ether that is the Net even if acting upon such reconsideration might only require a few configuration changes which might actually result in increased freedom of expression for all and better branding for our own services to boot." But, ah, ahem, screw the Playbook. -Dan From eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us Fri Apr 13 21:02:40 2001 From: eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:14 2005 Subject: Free Web project management tools Message-ID: <3AD7A1B0.95B9C29@sparkie.osl.state.or.us> Fellow list folks, Project management (PM) software is rightfully regarded as a easy and handy way to manage complex projects, especially those involving many players. Add to this the Web's functionality of negating cross-platform issues and covering distances "at a single bound," and we're getting better, yet. And finally, what if it's a Web freebie? Wow? Great for libraries, professional societies, regional groups, whatever! Here at the Oregon State Library, we're starting to use OnProject.com, a subscription Web PM package. It gives us bigger project capacity, sufficient user-logon "seats," great email notification & reporting, etc. It also solves the cross-platform and versioning problems of a Mac/Windows organization. (And it's really cheaper than buying & maintaining & networking multiple seats of desktop PM software.) For PM help on a smaller scale, like for departmental or professional association use, you might find it helpful to try out some of the freebie versions... * Intuit Quickbase, at <http://www.quickbase.com>, is powerful, flexible, easy-to-use, and quite capable of heavy-duty planning efforts. It's free for up to 3 projects, 3 MB of storage, and auxiliary file storage of 2MB. Of course, they hope you'll upgrade. $14.95/month buys you capacity for 15 databases/projects, with 20MB and 15MB of project/file storage; $49.95/month buys you 50 project capacity, 100MB and 125MB of storage. (BTW, the folks at Intuit aren't exactly amateurs; they were the folks who developed a product called Quicken.) * "iTeamWork" is a bit simpler, but also a bargain at Free. It's at <www.iteamwork.com>. Not as sophisticated, many fewer bells&whistles, but it still makes coordinating multiple tasks and people a lot simpler. Both of these Web software products maximize the leverage of email and automatic reporting. It's also convenient to be able to see "what's going on" from whereever you can get a Web entry. I hope these may prove of use to some colleagues. For that matter, how about your patrons/customers? Cheers, -ernest ----------------------------- Ernest Perez, Ph.D. Group Leader, Oregon State Library 250 Winter St. NE Salem OR 97301-3950 ernest.r.perez@state.or.us 503-378-4243, xt 257 Oh, yeah. No ownership or personal interest...blah blah blah.... From rlaperriere at tamiu.edu Mon Apr 16 10:26:19 2001 From: rlaperriere at tamiu.edu (Renee J. LaPerriere) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: proxy server connection problems--MSN and AOL???? Message-ID: <4.3.0.20010416092007.00bd4910@tamiu.edu> Good morning-- thanks for the help on fixing problems with I.E. and proxy server connection. So far, so good. Next situation-- I received additional information about problems with patrons using AOL as their ISP (evidently AOL changes proxy settings automatically and thus, patrons can't get into the proxy server--evidently need to change ISPs) What about MSN as an ISP? Does it do something similar to AOL? THanks, Renee >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< Ren?e LaPerri?re de Guti?rrez Reference/Special Collections Librarian rlaperriere@tamiu.edu http://www.tamiu.edu/~rlaperriere/ Texas A&M International University Killam Library #308 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041-1900 Phone:(956)326-2404 >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< From reitene at okstate.edu Mon Apr 16 11:01:18 2001 From: reitene at okstate.edu (Elizabeth A Reiten) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] proxy server connection problems--MSN and AOL???? Message-ID: <OF5F302E24.DB8E23FE-ON86256A30.0052189C@cis.okstate.edu> Quick note about AOL users accessing proxy servers: They don't have to change ISP's, they just have to minimize the AOL "environment" and use either Netscape <6.* or IE. I was finally able (after about 9 months of being ignored) to track down someone at AOL who explained how to make it work for our users. We have fantastic luck with Netscape, not so great with IE. I'm afraid I don't know anything specifically about MSN as an ISP. Sorry! Beth Reiten, Librarian Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone: 405-744-9109 Email: reitene@okstate.edu "Renee J. LaPerriere" <rlaperriere@tamiu.edu> Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org 04/16/01 09:39 AM Please respond to rlaperriere To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> cc: (bcc: Elizabeth A Reiten/lib/Okstate) Subject: [WEB4LIB] proxy server connection problems--MSN and AOL???? Good morning-- thanks for the help on fixing problems with I.E. and proxy server connection. So far, so good. Next situation-- I received additional information about problems with patrons using AOL as their ISP (evidently AOL changes proxy settings automatically and thus, patrons can't get into the proxy server--evidently need to change ISPs) What about MSN as an ISP? Does it do something similar to AOL? THanks, Renee >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< Ren?e LaPerri?re de Guti?rrez Reference/Special Collections Librarian rlaperriere@tamiu.edu http://www.tamiu.edu/~rlaperriere/ Texas A&M International University Killam Library #308 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041-1900 Phone:(956)326-2404 >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< >>><<< ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Mon Apr 16 11:57:49 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Gale and proxy settings Message-ID: <3ADB167D.2F65006@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I have Gale Groups new Health and Wellness Resource Center working on the open Internet access computers. Now I am trying to get it working on the computers that are restricted to authorized subscription sites. The way I am doing this is through NT Server System Policy Editor. The proxy setting is set to x.x.x.x so it does not go anywhere except for the sites I put in the exceptions. This includes *.newsbank.com and others so I know this much works. For Health and Wellness Resource Center I cannot get past the authentication screen. I put in *.galenet.com, *.gale.com, *.galegroup.com and several other variations. No matter what I try everthing dies once I get past the authentication screen. I tried Gale's Technical Support line but they are either unable or unwilling to troubleshoot the NT System Policy Editor. Any ideas from the list? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Apr 16 12:09:52 2001 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Gale and proxy settings Message-ID: <010416120952.2a70b@sals.edu> >For Health and Wellness Resource Center I cannot get past the >authentication screen. I put in *.galenet.com, *.gale.com, >*.galegroup.com and several other variations. No matter what I try >everthing dies once I get past the authentication screen. I tried >Gale's Technical Support line but they are either unable or unwilling to >troubleshoot the NT System Policy Editor. Can you post the exact string of characters you're using for your allowed sites? You may have a typo or something. Health Reference Center-Academic uses *.infotrac.galegroup.com, so it seems like it should be working, although we no longer use these settings so I can't really tell. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From gmoeller at mail.owls.lib.wi.us Mon Apr 16 12:10:39 2001 From: gmoeller at mail.owls.lib.wi.us (Gerri Moeller) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Gale and proxy settings References: <3ADB167D.2F65006@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <3ADB197F.27A882C8@mail.owls.lib.wi.us> Tom: I don't know anything about the NT policy editor, but I have had similar problems when trying to restrict access to certain sites. My problem was that there were additional URLS involved. There were more URLS than I was able to see or find. I used a little program called Web Bug to go to the sites in question, then determine exactly where they were going. As soon as I found the additional URLS, I added them to my allowed list, and everything worked as planned. Let me know if you need any more info about this. -Gerri Tom Edelblute wrote: > > I have Gale Groups new Health and Wellness Resource Center working on > the open Internet access computers. Now I am trying to get it working > on the computers that are restricted to authorized subscription sites. > > The way I am doing this is through NT Server System Policy Editor. The > proxy setting is set to x.x.x.x so it does not go anywhere except for > the sites I put in the exceptions. This includes *.newsbank.com and > others so I know this much works. > > For Health and Wellness Resource Center I cannot get past the > authentication screen. I put in *.galenet.com, *.gale.com, > *.galegroup.com and several other variations. No matter what I try > everthing dies once I get past the authentication screen. I tried > Gale's Technical Support line but they are either unable or unwilling to > troubleshoot the NT System Policy Editor. > > Any ideas from the list? > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us -- Gerri Moeller Electronic Resources Librarian Outagamie Waupaca Library System 920/832-3906 fax 920/832-6422 email: gmoeller@mail.owls.lib.wi.us From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Apr 16 12:24:30 2001 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Gale and proxy settings Message-ID: <010416122430.2a70b@sals.edu> Gerri Moeller wrote: >I don't know anything about the NT policy editor, but I have had similar >problems when trying to restrict access to certain sites. My problem >was that there were additional URLS involved. There were more URLS than >I was able to see or find. This is very true, although I don't recall this being the case for Gale sites, outside of the many variants on web2.infotrac.galegroup.com. ReferenceUSA was particularly maddening: not only did it have an extra URL, but the screen icons were coming from one which was completely different. If you watch the status bar at the bottom of the screen (assuming you're using Internet Explorer and that you have this feature turned on), you may get clues about where it's trying to go. You might also try looking at the page properties. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From lilsalem at jasper.uor.edu Mon Apr 16 13:09:44 2001 From: lilsalem at jasper.uor.edu (salem) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Licensing 101: a Workshop on Licensing Digital Resources - LACASIS Event Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92.1010416100446.8688A-100000@jasper.uor.edu> LOS ANGELES CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR INFORMATION SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY Be a Part of It All... "Licensing 101: a Workshop on Licensing Digital Resources" Workshop leader: Sharon Farb The licensing of electronic or digital resources presents new and formidable challenges for those who must negotiate contracts for their library or information center. Ms. Farb's presentation will explore hot topics, challenges, and techniques for licensing electronic resources, with particular emphasis on the legal aspects of contract language and negotiation. Participants are encouraged to bring sample contracts that contain problematic language or clauses for a review and discussion session. Sharon Farb is the Coordinator for Digital Acquisitions for the UCLA Library. She oversees the licensing of digital resources and advises the Library on legal issues including copyright and intellectual property. Date: Saturday, May 19, 2001 Location: UCLA Young Research Library West Electronic Classroom, 2nd floor Schedule: 9:00 am - 9:30 am Registration/continental breakfast 9:30 am - 12:30 pm Workshop Workshop Cost: ASIS Members $35.00 Non-Members $45.00 Students $35.00 RSVP BY: May 15, 2001 Registration limited, please reserve early Directions to the Young (formerly University) Research Library, UCLA: The Research Library is located at the north end of the UCLA Campus. From the 405 freeway take the Sunset Blvd. exit and go east. Turn right on Westwood Plaza into the campus. Stop at the parking and information kiosk and tell the parking attendant that you are attending the LACASIS workshop in the Young Research Library. You can purchase a one-day parking permit for $6.00 and will be given parking directions and directions to the Library. For more complete directions to UCLA, consult: http://www.transportation.ucla.edu/parking/spdirect.htm If you have registration questions, please contact Amy Wallace by email at amy.wallace@rocky.claremont.edu or by phone at (909) 607-7957. Reservations: Send this form and payment to: Amy Wallace Honnold Mudd Library 800 N. Dartmouth Claremont, CA 91711 -or- Register Online: http://www.lacasis.org ========================================================================= Make check payable to: LACASIS NAME/AFFILIATION _________________________________________________________ ADDRESS: _________________________________________________________________ DAYTIME PHONE:____________________ EMAIL ADDRESS: ________________________ LACASIS MEMBER: Y N STUDENT: Y N AMOUNT ENCLOSED: ___________ ========================================================================= From tdutta at westport.lib.ct.us Mon Apr 16 14:51:47 2001 From: tdutta at westport.lib.ct.us (Tilly Dutta) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Gale and proxy settings References: <010416122430.2a70b@sals.edu> Message-ID: <007b01c0c6a6$4a7dc0c0$e4f0000a@tilly> Hi Everyone, The URL for the Gale's Business and the Health & Wellness databases do not have the usual www, so under "exceptions" try galenet.galegroup.com, without the http:// . This worked for me. Tilly Dutta Automation Librarian Westport Public Library Westport, CT From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Mon Apr 16 15:17:41 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Don't Make Me Think! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010405082758.0079b190@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104161214580.88800-100000@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Our library's most recent batch of Blackwell new book slips just routed to me, and the first title got my attention. Thought some of you might enjoy too, and happy Monday: _Don't Make Me Think!: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability_ John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From cagimon at mplib.org Mon Apr 16 15:31:49 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Don't Make Me Think! Message-ID: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB2448@alpha> Or, "Build an Interface Any Idiot Can Use (And That's Exactly Who Will Use It)"... > > Our library's most recent batch of Blackwell new book slips > just routed to > me, and the first title got my attention. Thought some of > you might enjoy > too, and happy Monday: > > _Don't Make Me Think!: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability_ > From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Mon Apr 16 15:51:48 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: [Fwd: [WEB4LIB] Re: Gale and proxy settings] Message-ID: <3ADB4D54.DE6C5E72@anaheim.lib.ca.us> OK, I think I found it. I have *.galenet.com* and galenet.gale.com* and *.gale.com all listed as exceptions and it is working so I am going to leave it alone. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From phenriksen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 19:44:11 2001 From: phenriksen at earthlink.net (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: Headphones -- revisited Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416191616.00aa6530@mail.earthlink.net> Folks, I've just subscribed and looked at the archives ~ On Jan. 3 & 11 of this year, there was a discussion about cleanliness of headphones on the Gates computers. As a former audiovisual librarian and now manager of four Gates Foundation computers, I'd like to throw in my take on this problem. Audiovisual departments that have had listening stations have worked on this problem for years. Libraries with *money* (from my lowly perspective) tend to go for the little sealed alcohol wipes. Cleaning the headphones between each use can get quite expensive, not to mention time consuming. The ultimate in cleanliness, though. I know of one library where they give the alcohol wipe to the patron and it's up to 'im/'er to clean the headphones. IIRC, this saves on the cost of the wipes, as people who don't use them leave them on the table. What we do is a compromise. We keep the headphones on the computer tables, sort of pushed to the back. Therefore, whatever we do, we start out with in the morning. And that is to wrap each earpiece in the cheapest sandwich bag we can buy. ('m not sure I can describe how we do this so securely that little children can't pull them off, but if anyone's interested, I'll try to write it up.) If a patron asks, we change the sandwich bag, so they get a clean one. Very few people ask. We also wipe the earpieces with rubbing alcohol occasionally. One of our circ clerks is a cleanliness freak and this is just fodder for her obsession. Works for us. As for the headphones themselves, of the eight we received, seven have been broken. They're nice headphones. Too nice. We buy the ones in the library catalogs made for rough school use to replace these nice ones. Phalbe Henriksen Director Bradford County Public Library Starke, FL "Perhaps the two most valuable and satisfactory products of American civilization are the librarian on the one hand and the cocktail in the other." -- Louis Stanley Jast From cchick at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 00:34:59 2001 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:15 2005 Subject: LLRX.com update for April 16, 2001 Message-ID: <NDBBLLEDGLIJECKMHLFJEEPKCKAA.cchick@earthlink.net> New on LLRX.com for April 16, 2001: http://www.llrx.com **A Prudent Approach to Legal Technology Spending in a Slowing Economy http://www.llrx.com/features/prudent.htm The aftermath of the boom in corporate technology investment has led Dennis Kennedy to reflect on a new context in which to plan for continued spending in light of cost benefits ratios, competitive analysis and future requirements. **Designing A Successful Web-Based Tutorial http://www.llrx.com/features/tutorial.htm Bill Taylor has created an online training tutorial that can serve as a model for those interested in using this application within their respective environments. **Online Legal Information in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden http://www.llrx.com/features/scanda.htm Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are among the most technologically advanced countries in the world. Suzanne Thorpe details the extensive online access to legal information for each country, and offers an overview of the legal databases and online guides to electronic legal resources that are currently available. **The Daily Law Journal on the Web http://www.llrx.com/features/dailyjournal.htm Carole Levitt details the functionality, content, fees and services provided by the Daily Journal's recently released new Web site. **Research RoundUp: Searchable IP Databases Updated http://www.llrx.com/columns/roundup11.htm Kathy Biehl once again updates her valuable annotated resource on searchable intellectual property databases from a range of government, academic and institutional sponsors. **Reference from Coast to Coast: Finding U.S. Collective Bargaining Agreements http://www.llrx.com/columns/reference24.htm Jan Bissett and Margi Heinen make the task of finding collective bargaining data much easier by identifying fee-based sources, Web sites, and academic collections, as well as effective search engine strategies. **Notes from the Tech Trenches: Tips for Computing Efficiences, Tasini Update, Friendlier Trademark Protection, 'Nut and Bolts' for Thomson in 2001 http://www.llrx.com/columns/notes41.htm Roger Skalbeck's column is packed with practical information beginning with a chart of his 10 favorite Windows commands and associated articles; links to the high profile Tasini IP case heard by the Supreme Court; new approaches to domain and trademark protection, and future plans of West Group's parent corporation, Thomson Corporation. **LLRX Latest Links: http://www.llrx.com/links/ Margaret Berkland reviews: EmbassyWorld.com GetSpeed.com Keyboard Assistance Dictionary of Occupational Titles Standard & Poor's U.S. Indices Take Back the Web: How to decrease e-mail spam **Featured Site AmeriStat http://www.llrx.com If you are interested in U.S. population statistics and data, try this site. Topics include: Marriage & Family; Race & Ethnicity; Political Arithmetic; Education; Foreign Born Population; Labor Force & Employment. **LLRX Newstand http://www.llrx.com/newstand Trellix Corp. Licenses Blogger Technology Napster to Be Reborn as Fee Service on July 1 Yahoo Will Remain Leading Directory of Porn Sites Digital Publishing Waste Costs $750 Billion Annually Microsoft, IBM, Ariba to Launch Web Directory Gloomy Forecasts Hang Over DSL, CLECs DOT Declines to Stop Launch of Online Travel Site Sponsored by 5 Major Airlines The Approaching Internet Domain Name Revolt Innovative Mouse Lets Visually Impaired "Feel the Web" Law Means Fewer Web Options for Kids **CongressLine News http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm#CongressLine Report, The Power of the Internet for Learning, Finally to be Released New Democrats Group Calls for Balanced Privacy Laws **Tech Trends Articles: http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm#TechTrends The Power of Knowledge Management Two Sites for Researching Tax Law The Case for Saving Old Books and Newspapers E-Libraries Hoping to Profit from Term Paper Blues Choicepoint's Database of Personal Data on US Citizens Used by Government Agencies Edgar to Usher in New Era of XML A Technical and Financial Look at Outsourcing Web Development From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 18 10:07:58 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public computers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B387@mail1.morrisville.edu> We are looking into purchasing software for some public computers to provide better access for those that need screen readers or talking browsers. Can anyone make any recommendations? ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 18 10:18:04 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: Large screen monitors for public computers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B388@mail1.morrisville.edu> We are looking to purchase a couple of large screen monitors for public use at stations set up for the visually impaired. Any suggestions or special considerations that need to be taken into account? Anyone have any suggestions as to particular models or sizes? The monitors must work with IBM desktop computers. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From cruby at micron.com Wed Apr 18 10:28:05 2001 From: cruby at micron.com (cruby) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: multiple IP addresses and electronic journals Message-ID: <0FD82907AECAD21199510001FA7E7AB0101262E3@ntexchange04.micron.com> I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions. At least 8 people suggested EZProxy and a couple of others offered information on how their organizations handled the problem. This is all very helpful. I am going to pass this information on to our information systems group to see what they can come up with. With over 10,000 workstations around the world that could potentially try to get to our electronic serials, EZProxy may be the best solution. We are the only physical library for the corporation and have had to learn all sorts of new things in the last 2 or 3 years as we moved from being an Idaho company to an international one. This list has been of immeasurable help as we try to expand our services virtually. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Peter Murray [mailto:PMurray@law.uconn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: multiple IP addresses and electronic journals --On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:33 AM -0700 cruby <cruby@micron.com> wrote: > Before I have to track down all the new IP address ranges and then > start working with the publishers to add the addresses to our account > or switch to passwords, I'd like to see if there is any way to set > things up so that, say someone in Italy, can go to our library web > site based in Boise and gain access to the journal contents with the > Boise IP address rather than the Italy address. Bill and Robin have suggested EZproxy as a solution to your problem, and EZproxy is a good solution to the general problem of remote access to research databases. However, I think you have a more specific problem. To restate your problem, you want to find a way to funnel specific IP addresses from other libraries through an IP address at your Boise library which all of the database vendors accept as valid. Probably the easiest thing to do to solve this specific problem is to set up a generic proxy server in Boise and restrict access at that proxy server to the specific IP address ranges of your remote libraries. Just about any proxy server can be set up with those sort of restrictions (Apache, Squid, MS Proxy, etc...). You'll probably want to set up a proxy autoconfig file for all of those remote workstations so that they know about your proxy server in Boise, and you can set things up such that your Boise proxy server interceeds in connections that are going to database vendors. Peter -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Apr 18 10:49:30 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas M G Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public computers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B387@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <NDBBIFCOELNOKCEMNNLHKEBBEGAA.bennetttm@appstate.edu> ReadPlease 2000------- ReadPlease 2000 is available free of charge. This runs on M$ Windows and uses the Microsoft Text-to-Speech Engine as most talking programs on Windows does. http://readplease.com/ <sarcasm>Excellent value for the price</sarcasm> TextAloud MP3---------- TextAloud MP3 lets you listen to text you copy to the clipboard. It uses 'Text to Speech' technology which actually synthesizes human sounding speech from ordinary text. Just copy text to the clipboard and listen as TextAloud MP3 reads it back to you ! TextAloud MP3 also gives you the option of reading text and saving it to a file so you can listen later. You can create ordinary wav files, or better yet, save the output in compressed MP3 format. Create MP3 files from your email, news articles, any text you want, download to your portable MP3 player and off you go ! http://www.nextuptech.com >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Isabel Danforth >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:45 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] talking browsers > > >Has anyone done any testing with the browsers >mentioned here? > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/557492.asp?0na=2235150j > > >The browsers are Web Media and Fast Browser. > >Anyone use them on a public access machine? > >Isabel >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Isabel L. Danforth >danforth@tiac.net >Russell Library - Middletown, CT >http://russelllibrary.org >Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team >http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ > Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public computers We are looking into purchasing software for some public computers to provide better access for those that need screen readers or talking browsers. Can anyone make any recommendations? ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From reitene at okstate.edu Wed Apr 18 11:24:52 2001 From: reitene at okstate.edu (Elizabeth A Reiten) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] talking browsers or screen readers for public Message-ID: <OF93094577.B73D1C51-ON86256A32.00542552@cis.okstate.edu> I've been experimenting with the 30-day free trial of IBM's Home Page Reader (http://www-3.ibm.com/able/hpr.html) and have found it to be pretty good -- especially since I don't have anything to compare it to yet! It only works with Internet Explorer. And it uses "the tremendous capabilities of IBM's ViaVoice Outloud text-to-speech synthesizer for speaking." Usual caveats in place. Beth Reiten, Librarian Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone: 405-744-9109 Email: reitene@okstate.edu Thomas M G Bennett <bennetttm@appstate.edu> Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org 04/18/01 09:51 AM Please respond to bennetttm To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> cc: (bcc: Elizabeth A Reiten/lib/Okstate) Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public ReadPlease 2000------- ReadPlease 2000 is available free of charge. This runs on M$ Windows and uses the Microsoft Text-to-Speech Engine as most talking programs on Windows does. http://readplease.com/ <sarcasm>Excellent value for the price</sarcasm> TextAloud MP3---------- TextAloud MP3 lets you listen to text you copy to the clipboard. It uses 'Text to Speech' technology which actually synthesizes human sounding speech from ordinary text. Just copy text to the clipboard and listen as TextAloud MP3 reads it back to you ! TextAloud MP3 also gives you the option of reading text and saving it to a file so you can listen later. You can create ordinary wav files, or better yet, save the output in compressed MP3 format. Create MP3 files from your email, news articles, any text you want, download to your portable MP3 player and off you go ! http://www.nextuptech.com >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Isabel Danforth >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:45 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] talking browsers > > >Has anyone done any testing with the browsers >mentioned here? > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/557492.asp?0na=2235150j > > >The browsers are Web Media and Fast Browser. > >Anyone use them on a public access machine? > >Isabel >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Isabel L. Danforth >danforth@tiac.net >Russell Library - Middletown, CT >http://russelllibrary.org >Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team >http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ > Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Use The Help Desk at http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 2797 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public computers We are looking into purchasing software for some public computers to provide better access for those that need screen readers or talking browsers. Can anyone make any recommendations? ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 18 11:37:20 2001 From: smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu (Samuel Mcdonald) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: talking browsers or screen readers for public computers In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B387@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104181133060.1881-100000@niflheim.rutgers.edu> Hi: Rutgers University libraries use WindowEyes http://www.gwmicro.com/ a nice place to start: http://www.arl.org/transform/disabilities/index.html http://abilityforum.com/products.asp?Technology=visual big list of software/devices -Sam On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Drew, Bill wrote: > > We are looking into purchasing software for some public computers to provide > better access for those that need screen readers or talking browsers. Can > anyone make any recommendations? > ___________________ > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > SUNY Morrisville College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ > Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ > Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ > Have Laptop -- Will Travel. > "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy > test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Samuel J. McDonald smcdon@rci.rutgers.edu Webmaster http://www.libraries.rutgers.edu/ Rutgers University Libraries Voice (732) 932-7505 Alexander Library, 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1163 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Apr 18 13:08:40 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: CSS-2 question References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417162437.00a3aab0@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <3ADDCA18.4BD83B29@tln.lib.mi.us> I've been playing around with using CSS-2 to handle the positioning of content in place of using tables in HTML. With a little experminentation, I've generally been able to get most of the elements to layout the way that I want them to. However, one problem is perplexing me and I'm not sure how to get this to work. The concept that I'm trying to create is the effect of a navigational table right-aligned in a contrasted color bar. In "old-school" HTML, I would have done it this way: <table> <tr> <td bgcolor="#0099FF">Some Content</td> <td> <!--Nav Table--> <table> <tr> <td>Nav Element 1</td> <td>Nav Element 2</td> <td>Nav Element 3</td> </tr> </table> IN CSS, I tried this: <div id="menu"> <!--Nav Table--> <div id="navigate"> Nav Element 1 | Nav Element 2 | Nav Element 3 | </div> </div> with the IDs defined in a separate CSS file as: #menu { background-color: #09F; padding: 0 0 0 5; border-bottom: 1px solid blue; } #navigate { float: right; color: #3CF; margin: 0; padding: 4px; } Unfortunately, while the "nav table" is floated right, it always appears below the "menu" box. It doesn't seem to recognize that the "navigate" elements are within the "menu" box. Instead, it places them outside the box. The only way I can get it to work is to place content within the "menu" box or give the "menu" box a height property. But, that's not a solution. Any suggestions? Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Wed Apr 18 13:45:41 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited Message-ID: <E14pw1N-0000D1-00@mailhost.yaknet> "Ilene Frank (REF)" <ifrank@dudley.lib.usf.edu> said: > > Daniel, just one little thing about cleanliness and whether or not we're > obsessed: While some germs and bacteria might not matter to you > personally, it could be a problem for someone with HIV, someone undergoing > chemotherapy, someone with leukemia, etc. I'm not sure about the efficacy > of cleaning headphones per se, but it might be worth considering the > impact that might have on users who aren't in the greatest of health. > Okay, first off let's talk about my non-obsession with germs on a personal basis. Number one I'm a hemophiliac, type A mild. Number two I'm Hepatitis C positive. During the mid 80s I went through a barrage of tests and blood drawings to make sure that I wasn't one of the hemophiliacs in America who wound up like Ryan White and infected with HIV through blood transfusion and whole blood products. So let's be honest, I'm VERY considerate of the impact of germs and their impact on people's health. What I was trying to get across is that you are NOT and CANNOT create a clean and sterile environment in a public place. Libraries are no exceptions. If you're going to worry about cleanliness in the library in regards to headphones, then you're looking at the wrong thing. How many people use headphones and you're worried about cleaning it? Now how many people use the BOOKS in the library? Do you always clean the books after they come back? Do you sterilize every page and clean the covers? I worked in circulation for years before taking my current position. In my experience, I'd wash my hands at least once an hour because they'd be filthy from handling the books. Once again, nothing personal towards anyone. But if the idea came across that I don't consider the health of those not in the greatest of health, I want to smack that down immediately. I myself am not in the greatest of health. But I have a decent immune system if for no other reason than I don't try to avoid all germs. Trying to avoid all germs and live a clean life simply doesn't work. Don't believe me? Ask Howard Hughes. :) Thanks! Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From treed at clearwater-fl.com Wed Apr 18 15:13:38 2001 From: treed at clearwater-fl.com (Reed, Tracey) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS-2 question Message-ID: <F1411049DA08D1118BF100A024E130AE885765@lib1.clearwater.fl> For those interested in checking out the latest in table-less design, check out this article: http://www.webmasterbase.com/article.php?aid=379 from the Site Point. Very interesting.... -tracey <snip> I've been playing around with using CSS-2 to handle the positioning of content in place of using tables in HTML. </snip> _______________ Tracey Reed Webmaster, Clearwater Public Library System treed@clearwater-fl.com From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Apr 18 15:48:18 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CSS-2 question References: <3ADDCA18.4BD83B29@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3ADDEF82.47F76D51@tln.lib.mi.us> OK, I'm sure actually viewing the page will make these points clear. So, drive your CSS-compliant browsers here: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/concept.htm Thanks! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Andrew Mutch wrote: > I've been playing around with using CSS-2 to handle the positioning of content in > place of using tables in HTML. With a little experminentation, I've generally > been able to get most of the elements to layout the way that I want them to. > However, one problem is perplexing me and I'm not sure how to get this to work. > The concept that I'm trying to create is the effect of a navigational table > right-aligned in a contrasted color bar. In "old-school" HTML, I would have done > it this way: > > <table> > <tr> > <td bgcolor="#0099FF">Some Content</td> > <td> > <!--Nav Table--> > <table> > <tr> > <td>Nav Element 1</td> > <td>Nav Element 2</td> > <td>Nav Element 3</td> > </tr> > </table> > > IN CSS, I tried this: > > <div id="menu"> > > <!--Nav Table--> > <div id="navigate"> > Nav Element 1 | > Nav Element 2 | > Nav Element 3 | > </div> > > </div> > > with the IDs defined in a separate CSS file as: > > #menu { > background-color: #09F; > padding: 0 0 0 5; > border-bottom: 1px solid blue; > } > > #navigate > { > float: right; > color: #3CF; > margin: 0; > padding: 4px; > } > > Unfortunately, while the "nav table" is floated right, it always appears below the > "menu" box. It doesn't seem to recognize that the "navigate" elements are within > the "menu" box. Instead, it places them outside the box. The only way I can get > it to work is to place content within the "menu" box or give the "menu" box a > height property. But, that's not a solution. Any suggestions? > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 18 15:54:38 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 question Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B395@mail1.morrisville.edu> I can't read the text on the menu because of the colors, not enough contrast. >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:50 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 question > > >OK, I'm sure actually viewing the page will make these points >clear. So, drive your >CSS-compliant browsers here: > >http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/concept.htm > >Thanks! > >Andrew Mutch >Library Systems Technician >Waterford Township Public Library >Waterford, MI > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Apr 18 16:04:35 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 question References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B395@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3ADDF353.5647E058@tln.lib.mi.us> Bill, I'm suprised that you can read any of the text on the menus because in Mozilla and IE 6, the menu text, which was white, gets dumped into the white space. However, you made me realize that I should change the text color of the menus so that people can better see what's going on. So, look again please. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Drew, Bill" wrote: > I can't read the text on the menu because of the colors, not enough > contrast. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:50 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CSS-2 question > > > > > >OK, I'm sure actually viewing the page will make these points > >clear. So, drive your > >CSS-compliant browsers here: > > > >http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/concept.htm > > > >Thanks! > > > >Andrew Mutch > >Library Systems Technician > >Waterford Township Public Library > >Waterford, MI > > From bablumm at super.org Wed Apr 18 16:06:09 2001 From: bablumm at super.org (barbara) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: Linking Access Database to Web Message-ID: <3ADDF3B1.5FE38092@super.org> We are hiring a consultant to aide with linking a Microsoft Access database to our web site. I believe he intents to utilize active server pages for this. I am in the process of creating my requirements document for this project and am concerned I will overlook a key requirement. If anyone could provide me with some information on this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Barbara Blummer Center for Computing Sciences bablumm@super.org From lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us Wed Apr 18 16:23:57 2001 From: lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us (Lelia Nichols) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416191616.00aa6530@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c0c845$82849700$168ad5c6@victoria.lib.tx.us> Hi, I posted the original question about headphone cleanliness. And while I know we cannot rid ourselves of all germs, my main concern was not necessarily germs, but HEADLICE. Our library is in the part of town with underpriviledged children in the neighborhood. They run into the library when not in school to entertain themselves on the computers. We previously did not have headphones. When we acquired the headphones, my concern came up. We have found, that the new clorox wipes in the pop up containers work great. We clean the headphone each morning, (one wipe is wet enough to clean several headphones) and have them available for patrons to ask for them if they desire. These are inexpensive compared to individual alcohol wipes. Thanks and don't worry so much........... Lelia A. Nichols Senior Computer Lab Assistant Victoria Public Library 361-572-6867 lnichols@victoria.lib.tx.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Phalbe Henriksen <phenriksen@earthlink.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited > Folks, > > I've just subscribed and looked at the archives ~ > > On Jan. 3 & 11 of this year, there was a discussion about cleanliness of > headphones on the Gates computers. As a former audiovisual librarian and > now manager of four Gates Foundation computers, I'd like to throw in my > take on this problem. > > Audiovisual departments that have had listening stations have worked on > this problem for years. Libraries with *money* (from my lowly perspective) > tend to go for the little sealed alcohol wipes. Cleaning the headphones > between each use can get quite expensive, not to mention time consuming. > The ultimate in cleanliness, though. I know of one library where they give > the alcohol wipe to the patron and it's up to 'im/'er to clean the > headphones. IIRC, this saves on the cost of the wipes, as people who don't > use them leave them on the table. > > What we do is a compromise. We keep the headphones on the computer tables, > sort of pushed to the back. Therefore, whatever we do, we start out with in > the morning. And that is to wrap each earpiece in the cheapest sandwich bag > we can buy. ('m not sure I can describe how we do this so securely that > little children can't pull them off, but if anyone's interested, I'll try > to write it up.) > > If a patron asks, we change the sandwich bag, so they get a clean one. Very > few people ask. > > We also wipe the earpieces with rubbing alcohol occasionally. One of our > circ clerks is a cleanliness freak and this is just fodder for her > obsession. Works for us. > > As for the headphones themselves, of the eight we received, seven have been > broken. They're nice headphones. Too nice. We buy the ones in the library > catalogs made for rough school use to replace these nice ones. > > Phalbe Henriksen > Director > Bradford County Public Library > Starke, FL > > "Perhaps the two most valuable and satisfactory products of American > civilization are the librarian on the one hand and the cocktail in the > other." -- Louis Stanley Jast > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 18 16:31:12 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B397@mail1.morrisville.edu> One should not imply that only underprivileged children will bring in HEADLICE. Ask any kindergarten teacher, any kid can have it and bring it in. Don't play to stereotypes of "underprivileged children." Not meant as a flame but as a way to avoid problems. Bill Drew From lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us Wed Apr 18 16:49:04 2001 From: lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us (Lelia Nichols) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B397@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <000801c0c849$01bceba0$168ad5c6@victoria.lib.tx.us> Sorry, of course you are correct. Anybody (not just children) can obtain headlice. Not meant to be a flame from this end either. My apologies. Lelia A. Nichols Senior Computer Lab Assistant Victoria Public Library 361-572-6867 lnichols@victoria.lib.tx.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Drew, Bill <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited > One should not imply that only underprivileged children will bring in > HEADLICE. Ask any kindergarten teacher, any kid can have it and bring it > in. Don't play to stereotypes of "underprivileged children." Not meant as > a flame but as a way to avoid problems. > > Bill Drew From ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu Wed Apr 18 18:26:04 2001 From: ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu (Ilene Frank (REF)) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited In-Reply-To: <E14pw1N-0000D1-00@mailhost.yaknet> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104181825590.6956-100000@dudley> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Daniel Messer wrote: > "Ilene Frank (REF)" <ifrank@dudley.lib.usf.edu> said: > > > > > Daniel, just one little thing about cleanliness and whether or not we're > > obsessed: While some germs and bacteria might not matter to you > > personally, it could be a problem for someone with HIV, someone undergoing > > chemotherapy, someone with leukemia, etc. I'm not sure about the efficacy > > of cleaning headphones per se, but it might be worth considering the > > impact that might have on users who aren't in the greatest of health. > > > > Okay, first off let's talk about my non-obsession with germs on a personal > basis. Number one I'm a hemophiliac, type A mild. Number two I'm Hepatitis C > positive. During the mid 80s I went through a barrage of tests and blood > drawings to make sure that I wasn't one of the hemophiliacs in America who > wound up like Ryan White and infected with HIV through blood transfusion and > whole blood products. So let's be honest, I'm VERY considerate of the impact > of germs and their impact on people's health. > > What I was trying to get across is that you are NOT and CANNOT create a clean > and sterile environment in a public place. Libraries are no exceptions. If > you're going to worry about cleanliness in the library in regards to > headphones, then you're looking at the wrong thing. How many people use > headphones and you're worried about cleaning it? Now how many people use the > BOOKS in the library? Do you always clean the books after they come back? Do > you sterilize every page and clean the covers? I worked in circulation for > years before taking my current position. In my experience, I'd wash my hands > at least once an hour because they'd be filthy from handling the books. > > Once again, nothing personal towards anyone. But if the idea came across that > I don't consider the health of those not in the greatest of health, I want to > smack that down immediately. I myself am not in the greatest of health. But I > have a decent immune system if for no other reason than I don't try to avoid > all germs. Trying to avoid all germs and live a clean life simply doesn't > work. Don't believe me? Ask Howard Hughes. :) > > Thanks! > Dan > > > > -- Ilene Frank, Reference Dept. Tampa Campus Library, LIB 122 University of South Florida, Tampa FL 33620 ifrank@lib.usf.edu Work 813.974.2483 http://www.lib.usf.edu/~ifrank/ From eswift at bham.lib.al.us Sat Apr 21 09:35:43 2001 From: eswift at bham.lib.al.us (Elizabeth Swift) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? References: <3AE0CEC9.2755A71F@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <3AE18CAF.2E7E9E2D@bham.lib.al.us> Here in Alabama the public libraries issue an Alabama Virtual Library (AVL) card. The state's Supercomputer Authority has set up pages that use perl scripts. Once you are logged in, it looks to me like it uses referring urls to authenticate. Here in Jefferson County, we had the Innovative WAM product and used it from the beginning of the AVL. The AVL card started after about 6 months after the AVL began. Our patrons can use the AVL card or their library cards to access the AVL products from outside of the library. "Richard L. Goerwitz III" wrote: > I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote > access? And what about the issue of authentication? -- Elizabeth E. Swift System Librarian Jefferson County Library Cooperative 2100 Park Place Birmingham, AL 35203-2794 eswift@bham.lib.al.us Tel. 205.226.3722 Fax 205.226.3729 http://www.jclc.org From phenriksen at earthlink.net Sat Apr 21 12:53:05 2001 From: phenriksen at earthlink.net (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:21 2005 Subject: Another Gates computers query -- adding software Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010421105751.00ac2dc0@mail.earthlink.net> Hello, again, everyone. What have you added to your Gates Foundation computers and what have you tried that didn't work? We've decided it's time to add software to the Gates Foundation computers. We have teenagers playing the Barney games! I've spent some time looking around and talking to people and discovered that there is a virtual mine field out there to be negotiated. First, you have to negotiate the site licence issue, if that's what you want. Second, you need to know if the game CD is hard-coded to search only the CD drive, or if the executable can find the hard drive or the server. Third, you need to know if the software can be accessed from more than one computer at the time if you want to load it on the server. Fourth, you need to know if the software is new enough not to have Y2K conflicts. And probably "etc" after that. But, before you do all that, you need to identify what you want. We have added the phonics software that Recorded Books sells and will soon add Microsoft's Pandora's Box and Brainsbreaker, my favorite jigsaw puzzle. (Brainsbreaker is available from <www.brainsbreaker.com>.) One of the things I like about Brainsbreaker is that we can import pictures and turn them into puzzles. We want to "puzzle" (is that a verb now?) pictures of the library, the bookmobile, and our county and its towns. I like Pandora's Box because it's sufficiently sophisticated to offer a challenge to those poor teenagers playing the Barney games. It's also clean and non-violent. Actually, the phonics program, Brainsbreaker and Pandora's Box are equally suitable for adults. But, I'm not here to sell you these programs.... And then you need to add another hard drive to each computer, if you're adding programs to the public computers rather than to the server. Our computer consultant says the Gates Foundation computers are totally maxed out, leaving just enough room for NT to work. We added a 30 GB h/d to the one we're experimenting on. Karen Schneider and I have been chatting about adding programs. She has an entirely different list from mine she's found to be successful: > Edmark > >Thinkin' Things Fripple Town > > Humongous Entertainment > >Blues 1-2-3 Time Activities >Blues ABC > > KnowledgeAdventure > > Bear's Imagine That > Jumpstart 3rd Grade > Jumpstart First Grade > Jumpstart Kindergarten > Spelling Blaster > > Living Books > Arthur's Teacher Trouble > Green Eggs and Ham > Just Grandma and Me > > Microsoft > > Magic School Bus Animals > Magic Schoolbus Dinosaurs > Magic Schoolbus Explores Bugs > Magic Schoolbus Explores the Human Body > My Personal Tutor Math > My Personal Tutor Reading > > Scholastic > > Clifford Reading > I Spy Junior Brain-Building > I Spy Junior Puppet Playhouse As you can see, Karen has done much more research than I have. She says you can make *no* assumptions. A company will have a CD that will work and another, seemingly no different, that won't. And Microsoft products aren't guaranteed to work just because of the Microsoft/Gates Foundation connection. Karen circulates CDs in her library, so if she finds one won't work on the Gates computers, she just puts it in the circulating collection. I don't have a circulating collection, so I can't afford to buy a CD and then find it doesn't work. And that's where my question to you all comes in. What have you added to your Gates Foundation computers and what have you tried that didn't work? Phalbe Henriksen Director Bradford County Public Library Starke, FL From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Apr 22 11:09:31 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? References: <3AE0CEC9.2755A71F@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <000601c0cb3f$3750e340$061c1ec6@ohiolink.edu> > > It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide > > central funding for access to full text databases for all the > > state's residents. > > I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote > access? And what about the issue of authentication? > OhioLINK recently started hosting its first service open to both OhioLINK's (academic) members and Ohio public library users. My perception is that the answer to the first question is, "Poorly." And to the second question: "Well enough to satisfy some not very demanding or ill-informed vendors." In other words, referer authentication. OPLIN, the state public library consortium, provides a login function that does a one-time lookup against a user database and on success take users to a page with a link to Database X. X's service provider then allows access to anyone whose user agent sends that URL as its REFERER header. In other other words, access is available to anyone who A) knows the correct Referer, B) knows the URL to send it to, C) has a telnet client, and D) wants access badly enough to learn one grade D hacking trick. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Mon Apr 23 09:36:07 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: New Acrobat Reader Message-ID: <3AE42FC7.1A3C4622@tln.lib.mi.us> You might be interested to know that Adobe has released a new version of their Acrobat Reader. This is version 5.0 and you can obtain it here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html The file size has increased over version 4.0 and you'll want to uninstall the old version before installing the new version to avoid problems. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Apr 23 09:51:32 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New Acrobat Reader References: <3AE42FC7.1A3C4622@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <000d01c0cbfc$9919dce0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > You might be interested to know that Adobe has released a new version of > their Acrobat Reader. This is version 5.0 and you can obtain it here: > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > > The file size has increased over version 4.0 and you'll want to > uninstall the old version before installing the new version to avoid > problems. > By the way, in the category of Mondo Bizarro bugs, Opera 5.1x will probably not open if you have both Acrobat Reader 5.0 and the Adobe SVG plug-in installed. If you have installed the SVG plugin, you may need to find the file svgview.dll and delete it or rename it before you can run Opera 5.10 or 5.11. Opera is aware of the bug. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Libmill at isugw.indstate.edu Mon Apr 23 10:08:20 2001 From: Libmill at isugw.indstate.edu (Marsha Miller) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Library Web Site Management Web Sites Message-ID: <sae3f116.097@isugw> greetings from Indiana State University. The Library's Public Interface Team [aka the library's 'webmasters'] are working to better codify our efforts. That means, naturally, a web site devoted to what the team is for as well as resources and info provided by the team for other members of the Library. I have looked via Hotbot for other library sites but haven't had a lot of luck. One problem is that there are a lot of different names for the group that does this. Below are the best results I've found thusfar. If your institution has such a site, or if you know of a site that is gathering these sorts of sites, I need those urls! If you have a group/team but don't have a website: if you have any documentation [word documents, etc.], especially those outlining policy as well as procedure, I'd greatly appreciated receiving those as well! What I found via a lot of different Hotbot searches: Other Library sites, general, mission statements, etc.: from the University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha, Staff Handbook: LIBRARY INTERNET SITE http://reinert.creighton.edu/cu/papers/1998/guidelines.htm Restructuring Web Site Design: An Alternative to WebTeams: http://reinert.creighton.edu/cu/papers/1998/site_des.htm Other Library sites, usability: Usability Testing and Library Web Site Redesign at Roger Williams University: http://gamma.rwu.edu/users/smcmullen/usable.html The Mission and Role of the Library Web Site: http://www.library.ucsb.edu/universe/stover.html Other Library sites, many resources: The Library Web Manager's Reference Center: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/RefCenter/ University WWW Policies [I'm not really planning on collecting many of these sites, but did find some while looking for the library-specific sites, so include them here]: New Web Site Policies; St. Edward's University WWW Policy: http://www.stedwards.edu/site_specs/policies/policies.htm Planning, Designing, Constructing, and Maintaining Web Sites -- via GGU--University Library: http://ggu.edu/university_library/webdevel.html St. Michael's College, Colchester Vermont Web Site Development: http://waldo.smcvt.edu/authors/smc/index.htm http://waldo.smcvt.edu/authors/index2.htm Marsha Miller Instruction Librarian Indiana State University Terre Haute IN 47809 812 237 2606 marshamiller@indstate.edu Library: http://odin.indstate.edu From Libmill at isugw.indstate.edu Mon Apr 23 10:09:59 2001 From: Libmill at isugw.indstate.edu (Marsha Miller) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Web Site Maintenance Form Message-ID: <sae3f176.006@isugw> greetings from Indiana State University. how does your webmaster or web management team keep track of your website, especially corrections? do you have a form? word or webbed? one that succinctly documents -url -needed action: create new page, correction, re-design -who assigned/when -when finished if you do, please send my way! thanks. Marsha Miller, Chair, Public Interface Team [aka, the library 'webmasters'] Marsha Miller Instruction Librarian Indiana State University Terre Haute IN 47809 812 237 2606 marshamiller@indstate.edu Library: http://odin.indstate.edu From digiref at loc.gov Mon Apr 23 11:05:13 2001 From: digiref at loc.gov (digiref@loc.gov) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Survey: 3 More Days for CDRS Survey! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0104231103500.15678-100000@sun8.loc.gov> Dear Information Professional: The survey on the future of e-reference services and the Collaborative Digital Reference Service (CDRS) is now coming to a close. While the response to the survey has been tremendously valuable, we would like to hear from everyone. If you haven't taken the survey, there's still time for your voice to be heard. The survey will run until 6:00pm EDT on Wednesday, April 25th. People who cannot access the survey through the Internet should send an email to: cdrs@loc.gov In the subject line please put: CDRS Survey Request and indicate in the message what problems are occurring. The survey is completely confidential and requires only 10 minutes to complete. The survey asks your opinion on the importance of various e-reference features and the value (price) of e-reference services to your organization. To participate in the survey, you should meet the following two criteria: -- 1) You purchase or influence the purchase of online knowledge-based services for your organization (e.g., online database subscriptions, e-journals) -- 2) You are familiar with the current prices of online knowledge-based services. All of the information you need to take the survey is included online. However, we have also included a description of CDRS and proposed options below for your easy reference. You may find it useful to access this information when taking the survey. To take the survey, simply point your browser to the following URL. You must have a browser that supports Java to take the survey (recent browser versions are Java enabled). Please check your browser settings to ensure that the Java option is enabled before taking the survey. The survey URL is: http://www.speakout.com/coop/library/ Time is running out, so please take the survey today. Your input is greatly appreciated and will be very helpful to the planning of this unique and exciting service that combines the best of librarianship with the best technology on behalf of users everywhere. Thank you in advance for your participation. Diane Nester Kresh Director Public Service Collections and Project Director of CDRS The Library of Congress P.S. Watch for upcoming announcements on CDRS interactive sessions at the June session of ALA in San Francisco! -------------------------------------------------------------- Description of CDRS and Proposed Options CDRS provides the following basic e-reference services to your library over the Internet: -- Submit reference questions through a Web-based form and review responses (e.g., bibliographic citations, answers) on a Web-based report -- Select a deadline and targeted education/age level for each reference request -- Select the method of delivery (e.g., e-mail, URL, postal mail, fax) and routing (e.g., direct to library, direct to patron with library notification) for responses to each request -- Create, maintain, and control profile information (e.g., name, address, e-mail address, collection strengths) of your organization and its staff using Web-based forms Option #1: Content Delivery In addition to the basic e-reference services of CDRS, this value-added option provides the following additional services: -- Receive or access digital media (e.g., text, picture, video, or sound files) as part of the response (document delivery) -- Access inter-library loan (ILL) services that enable patrons to request items not available at your library -- Access e-commerce services that enable patrons to purchase items not available at your library Options #2: Member Web Site In addition to the basic e-reference services of CDRS, this value-added option provides the following additional services: -- Access detailed information on the innovation and standardization of e-reference best practices, including online webcasts and chats with leaders in the field -- Access detailed information on CDRS, including alerts, discussion topics, upcoming events, and membership and system statistics -- Access online tools that support problem-solving, innovation, and collaboration on e-reference issues with other members -- Customize and access a personalized Web page that aggregates and organizes the above information according to your interests and needs From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Mon Apr 23 11:49:48 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (J.M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Web Site Management Web Sites In-Reply-To: <sae3f116.097@isugw> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0104231049280.1198-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> I imagine other sites have that type of info on their Intranet ... Joyce On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Marsha Miller wrote: > greetings from Indiana State University. > > The Library's Public Interface Team [aka the library's 'webmasters'] are working to better codify our efforts. That means, naturally, a web site devoted to what the team is for as well as resources and info provided by the team for other members of the Library. > > I have looked via Hotbot for other library sites but haven't had a lot of luck. One problem is that there are a lot of different names for the group that does this. Below are the best results I've found thusfar. If your institution has such a site, or if you know of a site that is gathering these sorts of sites, I need those urls! > > If you have a group/team but don't have a website: if you have any documentation [word documents, etc.], especially those outlining policy as well as procedure, I'd greatly appreciated receiving those as well! > > What I found via a lot of different Hotbot searches: > > Other Library sites, general, mission statements, etc.: > > from the University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha, Staff Handbook: > LIBRARY INTERNET SITE http://reinert.creighton.edu/cu/papers/1998/guidelines.htm > > Restructuring Web Site Design: An Alternative to WebTeams: http://reinert.creighton.edu/cu/papers/1998/site_des.htm > > > Other Library sites, usability: > > Usability Testing and Library Web Site Redesign at Roger Williams University: http://gamma.rwu.edu/users/smcmullen/usable.html > > The Mission and Role of the Library Web Site: http://www.library.ucsb.edu/universe/stover.html > > > Other Library sites, many resources: > > The Library Web Manager's Reference Center: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/RefCenter/ > > > University WWW Policies [I'm not really planning on collecting many of these sites, but did find some while looking for the library-specific sites, so include them here]: > > New Web Site Policies; St. Edward's University WWW Policy: http://www.stedwards.edu/site_specs/policies/policies.htm > > Planning, Designing, Constructing, and Maintaining Web Sites -- via GGU--University > Library: http://ggu.edu/university_library/webdevel.html > > St. Michael's College, Colchester Vermont Web Site Development: http://waldo.smcvt.edu/authors/smc/index.htm > http://waldo.smcvt.edu/authors/index2.htm > > > Marsha Miller > Instruction Librarian > Indiana State University > Terre Haute IN 47809 > 812 237 2606 > marshamiller@indstate.edu > Library: http://odin.indstate.edu > > > From djolley at gardner-webb.edu Mon Apr 23 14:08:43 2001 From: djolley at gardner-webb.edu (Daniel Jolley) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Fw: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Acrobat Reader Message-ID: <004001c0cc20$7085ca90$010c2c98@gardnerwebb.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Acrobat Reader > > You might be interested to know that Adobe has released a new version of > > their Acrobat Reader. This is version 5.0 and you can obtain it here: > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > > > > The file size has increased over version 4.0 and you'll want to > > uninstall the old version before installing the new version to avoid > > problems. > > > > By the way, in the category of Mondo Bizarro bugs, Opera 5.1x will > probably not open if you have both Acrobat Reader 5.0 and the Adobe SVG > plug-in installed. If you have installed the SVG plugin, you may need to > find the file svgview.dll and delete it or rename it before you can run > Opera 5.10 or 5.11. Opera is aware of the bug. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > Opera 5.11 reportedly has a fix that takes care of this problem. Quoting Opera's own 5.11 Change Log, this newest version "fixed crashing on startup when having certain plugins, ie. GetRight and SVGView (which is installed with Adobe Acrobat 5)." From my own experience of installing Adobe Acrobat Reader 5 and then updating from Opera 5.10 to 5.11, the fix does indeed resolve the problem. Dan Jolley Systems Manager John R. Dover Memorial Library Gardner-Webb University Boiling Springs, North Carolina From nealej at nylink.suny.edu Mon Apr 23 14:19:05 2001 From: nealej at nylink.suny.edu (Jane Neale) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Announcement: Nylink is sponsoring LITA Regional Institute : Data base Driven Web Sites Message-ID: <009FD4D39BC8D4118A8000B0D020B9B80D544B@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu> Please excuse duplications of this message. It is being posted to multiple lists. Nylink is pleased to be sponsoring this well-received and very timely LITA Institute. A LITA Regional Institute: Database Driven Web Sites Albany, NY Region - 9:00 am - 4:00 pm (8:30 am registration starts and continental breakfast) July 26, 2001 Location: New York State Nurses Association <http://www.nysna.org/> 11 Cornell Road, Latham, NY This one-day program from the Library and Information Technology Association (LITA), a division of the American Library Association, provides instruction on adding dynamic content to your web site. This program will outline the range of solutions available for delivering database-driven content over the web. Example library applications will be developed using different software solutions, ranging from easy "out of the box" solutions to the more powerful Active Server Pages and Cold Fusion. Open source solutions will also be discussed. Attendees will: * understand how a dynamic web site works, be able to identify applications and select appropriate solutions; * understand basic concepts of relational database design as they relate to displaying data on the web; * gain practical skills in how to implement several software solutions. Audience: This program is intended for web managers who have basic knowledge of HTML and some familiarity with relational database concepts. Presenter: Kristin Antelman is Head of Systems and Networking at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Library. She is the author of Getting Out of the HTML Business: The Database-Driven Web Site Solution, ITAL (December 1999, Volume 18, no. 4). Registration Information Cost: Nylink Full Members $145 Non-Members $190 Fee includes breaks, lunch and session materials. For more information and to register online, please visit http://nylink.suny.edu/litadb.htm <http://nylink.suny.edu/litadb.htm> at the Nylink web site. Register before June 14th and be entered into a drawing for one of a number of O'Reilly technology books! We look forward to seeing you there! Thanks very much, Jane Jane C. Neale Information Technology Coordinator Nylink State University Plaza Albany, NY 12246 e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu <mailto:nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu> T (800) 342-3353 F (518) 432-4346 Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network From burk at unb.ca Mon Apr 23 15:42:48 2001 From: burk at unb.ca (Alan Burk) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Announcement - Summer Institute 2001 - Creating Electronic Texts and Images Message-ID: <NDBBLBIDELHEGIGBMGHCOEBMDCAA.burk@unb.ca> This announcement for Creating Electronic Texts and Images Summer Institute with David Seaman is a re-posting ; please excuse any duplication. Alan Burk Electronic Text Centre at the University of New Brunswick Libraries ******************************************************************** Announcing the Fifth Summer Institute at the University of New Brunswick / Fredericton / New Brunswick / Canada http://www.hil.unb.ca/Texts/SGML_course/Aug2001/ ************************************************************* Creating Electronic Texts and Images -- a practical "hands-on" exploration of the research, preservation and pedagogical uses of electronic texts and images in the humanities. DATES: August 19 - 24, 2001 INSTRUCTOR: David Seaman, University of Virginia PLACE: University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Sponsored by the Electronic Text Centre at the University of New Brunswick Libraries and the Department of Archives and Special Collections COURSE DESCRIPTION: The course will centre around the creation of a set of electronic texts and digital images. Topics to be covered include: ? SGML/XML tagging and conversion ? Using the Text Encoding Initiative Guidelines ? Ebooks (This will be an expanded component for this year?s institute) ? The basics of archival imaging ? The form and implications of XML ? Publishing SGML/XML on the World Wide Web ? EAD - Encoded Archival Descriptions The course is designed primarily for librarians and archivists who are planning to develop electronic text and imaging projects, for scholars who are creating electronic texts as part of their teaching and research, and for publishers who are looking to move publications to the Web. Course participants will learn how to create TEI encoded XML files from a selection of manuscripts from UNB?s Archives and Special Collections; and, then, how to turn these XML files automatically into multiple formats, including HTML, PDF, and EBook. Participants will also have the opportunity to tag an EAD finding aid and explore issues in creating digital images. The work of the class will be made available on the Internet through the Electronic Text Centre at the University of New Brunswick Libraries? Web Page. COURSE PREREQUISITES: This year's institute presupposes that participants have some experience with the Web and an elementary understanding of HTML. FACILITIES: The course will be held in the Instructional Technology Learning Centre (ITLC) in the Harriet Irving Library on the UNB campus. This state-of-the-art lab facility has a Windows 98 PC for each participant and a high end digital projection system. The facility is air conditioned. REGISTRATION FEES / HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS: Registration WILL BE LIMITED to 20. The tuition ($850 Canadian dollars) will include all course fees for the Institute, some events, nutritional breaks, and lunches. Tuition does not include cost of accommodations. SPECIAL EVENTS: 1. A reception and tour of Old Government House and dinner at the Sheraton - Sunday, August 19 A reception and tour of the recently renovated Old Government House will give participants a chance to explore and to be introduced to one of the oldest and most historic sites in Fredericton. Old Government House is located on the bank of the St. John River in one of the most picturesque sections in downtown Fredericton. This will be followed by dinner at the Sheraton. Cost of reception, tour and dinner are included in the Institute's tuition. 2. A barbeque - Wednesday, August 22 There will be an informal barbeque (beef and lobster). Time and location yet to be decided. There will be a small charge for those requesting lobster. 3. Friday Farewell Dinner - Friday, August 24 A farewell dinner (for those still in Fredericton) in a relaxed setting with beer, wine and Maritime hospitality. Details will be provided before Friday. This dinner will be at one's own expense. The first event, the tour of Old Government House and dinner at the Sheraton, is subject to change. Check our Web site for the most up-to-date information: http://www.hil.unb.ca/Texts/SGML_course/Aug2001/ The Lord Beaverbrook Hotel in downtown Fredericton is offering special room rates at: $87.00 + tax (Canadian) Single Room $97.00 + tax (Canadian) Double Room Course participants will be responsible for making their own reservations. Lord Beaverbrook Hotel: Tel. 506-455-3371 or 1-800-561-7666. When booking rooms, please ask for block reserved under Harriet Irving Library to receive special rates. RESERVATIONS MUST BE MADE BY JULY 17 TO ENSURE AVAILABILITY AND SPECIAL RATE. All blocked rooms will be released after this date. Information about other accommodations is available at the City of Fredericton tourism Web page: http://www.city.fredericton.nb.ca/visitors/index.asp FURTHER INFORMATION: You may also obtain further information by contacting Karen Kilfillen (klk@unb.ca or 506-453-4740). 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PLEASE EMAIL COMPLETED REGISTRATION FORM TO: Karen Kilfillen, Library Administrative Officer klk@unb.ca or mail or fax to: Karen Kilfillen UNB Libraries, PO Box 7500 Fredericton, NB E3B 5H5 PHONE: (506) 453-4740 FAX: (506) 453-4595 Confirmation of registration will be sent to you after processing. ****************************************************************** From: Alan Burk, Associate Director of Libraries and Director of the Electronic Text Centre Phone: 506-453-4740 Fax: 506-453-4595 http://www.hil.unb.ca/Texts/ From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 23 18:24:33 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Headphones -- revisited In-Reply-To: <E14pw1N-0000D1-00@mailhost.yaknet> References: <E14pw1N-0000D1-00@mailhost.yaknet> Message-ID: <165514838078.20010423162433@riverofdata.com> Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 11:45:48 AM, you wrote: DM> Once again, nothing personal towards anyone. But if the idea came across that DM> I don't consider the health of those not in the greatest of health, I want to DM> smack that down immediately. I myself am not in the greatest of health. But I DM> have a decent immune system if for no other reason than I don't try to avoid DM> all germs. Trying to avoid all germs and live a clean life simply doesn't DM> work. Don't believe me? Ask Howard Hughes. :) In fact, those who wish to check out this issue can do some research on poliomyelitis when it was epidemic in the 1940s, 1950s, etc. I remember that as a kid we were taught to scrupulously wash our hands all the time so we wouldn't catch polio and be in an iron lung or dead. It wasn't quite as scary as the Russians attacking, but it was a real concern as I was growing up, especially since my sister's best friend was crippled by polio. Anyway, later studies showed that the incidence of polio was highest in upper class, affluent areas. It was lowest in slums and other poorer parts of towns and states. Why? Those who had dirtier environments, less opportunity to keep things clean, perhaps less education on the compulsive cleanliness, gradually became immune to the viruses as their immune systems fought off low concentrations of them. Those who'd always been super clean were clobbered by their first contact with the virus. The same is true today. Where are the worst infections, the bacteria that are resistant to almost all (or in some cases all) antibiotics? In hospitals. It is a serious problem, and one of many reasons we're counseled not to take antibiotics at every opportunity. We all know that "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". That is particularly true for bacteria and viruses, as you can never kill ALL of them. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 23 19:33:44 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Large screen monitors for public computers In-Reply-To: <OFE6A7324C.67711762-ON88256A33.0074D79B@rlg.org> References: <OFE6A7324C.67711762-ON88256A33.0074D79B@rlg.org> Message-ID: <164518971271.20010423173344@riverofdata.com> Thursday, April 19, 2001, 3:30:35 PM, you wrote: Wnro> It might be worth noting a little something about the "extravagance" of Wnro> Sony Trinitron 21" displays... Wnro> Dan, as far as I can tell, the only 21" display that Micronpc *sells* is a Wnro> Trinitron (a Sony tube, doubtless in a Micronpc case). At least that's what Wnro> their Web site shows as of today. Glad to hear that. I've certainly had no complaint with either of them (slightly different models bought at different times). When I go to the Micron Outlet Store here in Boise (they sell returns, unsold custom machines, returns from reviews, etc, all after factory checking, etc.) there is a significant price difference between the "Micron" and the "Sony" monitors, though they never looked much different to me in the store. Wnro> I'm guessing that Sony offers Dell, Gateway, and Micron volume prices that, Wnro> combined with reliability, make them the preferred vendor for big screens. Makes sense. Wnro> Not that Sonys can't be higher-priced at times (and, given my experience Wnro> with durability/engineering, quite possibly worth it), but in this case Wnro> there's a good chance that you're buying a Sony-built tube whether you Wnro> think so or not. (If it says "San Diego" as the point of manufacture on the Wnro> back, I'd almost bet on it; Sony builds a lot of displays in California.) I may check when I feel strong enough to turn the darn thing around. o-) Wnro> Other than price, the only negatives about 20"-viewable (21") displays I Wnro> can think of are that they're heavy and huge. Having moved a bunch of 19s, I don't think there's that much difference, though it does exist. Even 17 can be quite a handful. Wnro> Certainly worth it where Wnro> large type is needed. (On the other hand, so-called 19" displays cost a Wnro> _lot_ less and are a _lot_ smaller...but the 21" units do offer 23% more Wnro> display space, 192 square inches compared to 156.) For me, at least, and a few others here, they're worth it. Almost all staff have 17s, and a dozen or so have 19, a few of us 21. Some of the 19 are based on need (either operational or vision problems), some based on status. However, just today we gave a 17 to one person and she said she didn't like it, and wanted her good old 15 back. We did so, and someone else was happy as a result. Wnro> (Note: you can't get away from the heavy-and-huge unless your library has a Wnro> big endowment. A 20" LCD screen will set you back a bundle, probably $3,000 Wnro> or more.) Would be nice. Took a class for 3 days in Seattle a couple weeks ago and the monitors were all LCD. Not 20 inch, but very nice. Of course considering what we paid for the class.....(plus it was in expensive downtown high rise real estate, so it let them save classroom space). cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From benjes at hsc.usc.edu Mon Apr 23 19:45:44 2001 From: benjes at hsc.usc.edu (Candice Benjes-Small) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Library Web Site Management Web Sites In-Reply-To: <200104232315.QAA12379@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104231644030.9505-100000@hsc.usc.edu> I've put together a page of links library web site usability studies, many of which talk about the team process: http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~benjes/usability.html Candice Benjes-Small Information Specialist Norris Medical Library University of Southern California benjes@usc.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 23 19:54:38 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Weird sites, weird URLs, spam, Domain name renewals In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420131419.00aaaec0@mail.earthlink.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420131419.00aaaec0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <165520224823.20010423175438@riverofdata.com> As others have pointed out, the URL that was asked about does indeed go to a porn site. If I posted the URL someone would be offended, most likely, so I won't. It clicked straight to it for me, so it may have been new and not disseminated widely thru DNS the other day. The bit about "thank you for the email containing porn" is an example of one of the many schemes to get you to read the spam email, and also to get it thru some spam filters. Obviously, none of us are likely to read something with a title like "get rich quick", but we may at least briefly glance at one saying "thanks for getting in touch with me" or "so glad to hear from you" or "Re: [some common topic]". Of course vast numbers of those are still the same old spam inviting you to see "nude Japanese schoolgirls" (one that came under a heading like one of those above a few minutes ago) or telling where to send the money so someone can get rich (not you, of course). And, speaking of spam and porn, last week I clicked on the university website's link to Caldwell, Idaho (a nearby town) and discovered that www.caldwellid.org went to a porn site. It seems the Caldwell Chamber of Commerce failed to renew their domain name (they claimed that they moved both their snail and email addresses, so didn't get a notice). Apparently I found it the first day the Russian porn company that "stole the name". The university webmaster removed the link. Two days later it made the front page of the local paper (must have been a slow news day, even in Idaho). Since then the CCC has purchased and established www.caldwellidaho.org, and it will tell you what you want to know. Apparently the pornmeisters think that by buying an existing domain name they'll get enough traffic to make it worth spending the few bucks to register it. Imagine it might even work out for them. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 23 20:40:09 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Ads on State Library Association web pages In-Reply-To: <OFF152C3CA.C8C16B16-ON88256A34.0065F3C4@rlg.org> References: <OFF152C3CA.C8C16B16-ON88256A34.0065F3C4@rlg.org> Message-ID: <58522956151.20010423184009@riverofdata.com> Among other things, I'm webmaster for the Idaho Library Association, www.idaholibraries.org, a site that needs a ton of work. We're looking at a total redesign, and will shoot for something better than what we have now, but less fancy and more usable than www.ila.org (bad color contrasts, fixed font sizes, too many fonts on a page, etc.). One of the things that is being considered by the Board is whether or not we should have ads on webpages. Here are some of the options: 1. Affiliate banners, as on Kentucky LA. (presumably no charge to the companies, but possible income for the association) 2. Paid ads (banner or otherwise). 3. Ads on webpages as a part of exhibitor participation at conference. 4. Ads as an extra that exhibitors could pay for (perhaps a combo price, cheaper than an ad plus exhibiting) 5. Others? I've created a work in progress at http://lester.boisestate.edu/statelibassns.htm It is a copy of the ALA webpage of state associations. I've annotated it regarding ads, plus other notes about what I did or didn't find. A number of state associations haven't updated their URLs with ALA. I noted that in one state that put the newsletter up in PDF that the ads from the print version were deleted from the page before publishing to the web. Why? I also noted that there are tons of pdf pages on state association websites, something I find strange and dysfunctional in general. Any thoughts on ads on state library associations would be appreciated on or off list. Would you be offended? Should it be done? Would the money taken in be worth the trouble? How much should an ad cost the advertiser? (we're assuming a rate based on monthly or annual charge, not clickthrus or anything else more complicated). Anyway, enough rambling. Feedback, please. And check back on the link for updates as I finish this project. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From phenriksen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 21:21:27 2001 From: phenriksen at earthlink.net (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: Time Limit Manager from Fortres -- has anyone tried it? In-Reply-To: <58522956151.20010423184009@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423211231.00aabec0@mail.earthlink.net> Folks, Time limits. Is there a public library that doesn't have problems? Is there a library that has found a really good, easy solution? Has anyone tried Fortres' new product, Time Limit Manager? If so, I'd certainly like to hear your opinion. If I get responses in private, I'll summarize for the list, without giving out IDs. Phalbe Henriksen "How many a man has dated a new era in his life from the reading of a book." ~ Henry David Thoreau, 1849. From mpugh at orcaslibrary.org Mon Apr 23 21:23:56 2001 From: mpugh at orcaslibrary.org (Mary Pugh) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: web page help Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423180334.00ab7e60@libserver.orcaslibrary.org> I am really brand new to web page design and would appreciate help with the page http://www.orcaslibrary.org/fs_history.html I basically copied another frame set and changed the text. I did rename the page properties and the frame set properties. As you can see the page's title still list the original file I copied, "Law". I can't find where to make the correction. I have checked the original history file and the frame set file trying to locate the word "law" within the code and I just can't find it. Also no matter what I do the rollover link for "Law" in the list will not work. What am I not doing? Mary Pugh Orcas Island Library District Network Administrator 500 Rose Street 360.376.4985 Eastsound, WA 98245 360.376.5750 fax www.orcaslibrary.org -------------- next part -------------- [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.orcaslibrary.org/fs_history.html [DOC#3#4] BASEURL=http://www.orcaslibrary.org/nav_useful.html [DOC#3#5] BASEURL=http://www.orcaslibrary.org/history.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.orcaslibrary.org/fs_history.html Modified=A0DCC3625ACCC00188 From cchick at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 23:53:54 2001 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:24 2005 Subject: LLRX.com update for April 23, 2001 Message-ID: <NDBBLLEDGLIJECKMHLFJOECOCLAA.cchick@earthlink.net> New on LLRX.com for April 23, 2001: http://www.llrx.com **LLRX Buzz: http://www.llrx.com/buzz/buzz53.htm -Martindale-Hubbell Launches ADR Directory -Physician Disciplinary Information Available Online -Law.com Relaunches Law.com/ny -Online Health Law Library -Information on Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolutions -AltaVista News **LLRX Featured Site: http://www.llrx.com Center for the Public Domain This is a non-profit organization whose goal is to support, via grants and partnerships, access to public domain information in all areas, including law, medicine and education. They maintain links to full-text resources on intellectual property copyrights, patents and domain issues; as well as to selected news and links to relevant cases. **New on Law Pro Links http://www.llrx.com/llrxlink.htm --How Much Information? - A study was produced by faculty and students at the School of Information Management and Systems at the University of California at Berkeley about how big the information explosure really is. --Ross L. Kodner's ABA Tech Show Presentations --ResourceMate 2.0 - Inexpensive cataloging software. --Duke University's Survey of Live Online Reference Services **New on Meta-Links http://www.llrx.com/sources.html --Resident Agent Information & Links - Lists information on finding the registered agent for states and territories of the U.S. **LLRX Bookstore http://www.llrx.com/bookstore.htm The Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Edward R. Tufte http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/096139210X/lawlibraryresourA/ Envisioning Information by Edward R. Tufte http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0961392118/lawlibraryresoura/ **LLRX Newstand - Updated Daily http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm -Prosecutors Seek Reversal to Curbs on Email and Web Site Access -Bush Wants Internet-Based Clearinghouse of Medical Mistakes -IRS Gains E-Speed -Record Labels Struggle with Napster Alternatives -Telephone Companies Prepare for War Over Long Distance Data Services -WIPO Says Keep "Whois" Data Open (And Accurate) -Judge: Chat Room Users' Identity Won't Be Revealed -Napster Looks for Better Filters to Block Copyrighted Songs -U.S. Attorney General to Create Privacy Post **CongressLine News: http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm#CongressLine -Web Filtering Law Goes into Effect -Legislation Put Forward to Protect Personal Data **Tech Trends: http://www.llrx.com/newstand/index.htm#TechTrends -Yahoo to Unveil New Broadcast Site -Internet Initiative Targets Online Security -Dot-Com Refugees Find Welcome in Porn Industry -Technical and Legal Approaches to Unsolicited Electronic Mail -Legal Face-Off Silences Net Radio Dispute From omalleye at emmanuel.edu Tue Apr 24 13:42:23 2001 From: omalleye at emmanuel.edu (Elena O'Malley) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: <fc.0075823a006ecd2b0075823a006ecd2b.6ece58@emmanuel.edu> > > It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide > > central funding for access to full text databases for all the > > state's residents. > > I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote > access? And what about the issue of authentication? Massachusetts Library and Information Network uses whatever the vendor offers, as far as I can tell. Some are set up as Thomas Dowling described for OhioLink -- referer authentication. Some ask for a username & password after determining the requestor is outside an approved IP range. The passworded ones are a mix -- sometimes unique to each library, sometimes one per regional network, and sometimes they're assigned by phases of the moon. Elena O'Malley, Technology Librarian, Cardinal Cushing Library Emmanuel College, 400 The Fenway, Boston, MA 02115 omalleye@emmanuel.edu From tryan at server.silo.lib.ia.us Tue Apr 24 14:35:34 2001 From: tryan at server.silo.lib.ia.us (Tom Ryan) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Allowing Downloads Message-ID: <000801c0cced$59c0d8e0$24eb1ccf@cbpl.lib.ia.us> We are constantly having problems with patrons downloading files from the internet to the public terminals. We currently do not have a policy against downloads, and would like to know what other librarys do about downloads. I would like as many responses as I can get. Thanks, Tom Ryan Computer Systems Tech. Council Bluffs Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jlward1 at u.washington.edu Tue Apr 24 16:15:29 2001 From: jlward1 at u.washington.edu (Jennifer Ward) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] session recorder References: <NDBBKECJALJFNGKFPEOJMEMCDGAA.dhamilto@wlu.ca> Message-ID: <028c01c0ccfb$4ed25a40$eedf5f80@jlwardpc> I've used Lotus' ScreenCam software (http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/screencam) for this purpose and it worked well. The files it creates can be large; you might want to evaluate it and make sure your hardware can handle the data. Our machines had fairly small hard drives and I think we maxed out after 30 minutes of testing. Our workaround involved having the user move to a different machine midway through the test so we could capture the entire session. Such disruptions aren't desirable in usability tests, but there was a logical break point in our script and that's when we shifted. Searches in Google for "screen recording" or "screen cam" yielded other possible solutions. --Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jennifer Ward Library Systems University of Washington Libraries phone: 206-685-3121 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don hamilton" <dhamilto@wlu.ca> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] session recorder > Hi all. I can't seem to come up with the right set of keywords to find a > program that will track keystrokes and mouse clicks during a 20 to 30 minute > web site usability test, then play the session back for analysis. I guess > it's a macro recorder of some sort that I want, but I'm not sure. Are there > any recommendations out there? > > Don Hamilton (mailto:dhamilto@wlu.ca) > Information Technology & Cybrarian by Osmosis > Wilfrid Laurier University Library > Waterloo, Ontario, Canada > 519-884-0710x3336 > fax:519-884-8023 > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Apr 24 16:17:39 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: update on TIFF, Quicktime, USPTO Message-ID: <CBEDIECGCDOKAPBJICGICEAICFAA.kgs@bluehighways.com> This is an update on the TIFF viewer discussion from late December. First, the USPTO has improved its help pages for viewing its TIFF patent images. see: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/images.htm This is much friendlier than the earlier page. Second, the latest Quicktime for Windows has an improved installer that asks you about file format associations. Digging through the Control Panel, I found that despite disabling this feature during installation, QT was still configured for automatic updates (which I deselected), but otherwise it seems better able to play well with others. Third, Alternatiff continues to work fine as a TIFF viewer. Now I can do battle with the Yahoo viewer, which I discovered when I was helping a patron play sound on the Web ("it's easy and fun! You can listen to news on Yahoo...") and stumbled into a series of installation questions. Just what the public-computing world needs--more viewers! mumbling to myself, Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com Assistant Director for Technology Shenendehowa Public Library www.shenpublib.org From dan at riverofdata.com Tue Apr 24 16:38:21 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] P.O.s for domain registration In-Reply-To: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E385784@APP_SERVER> References: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E385784@APP_SERVER> Message-ID: <178594845092.20010424143821@riverofdata.com> If one doesn't exist, and you are able to do such things, you could do what has been done with lili.org for the state of Idaho. I registered the domain. The first year I was reimbursed by the State Library for my credit card charge. Now I forward them the bills and they pay them directly. dan Tuesday, April 24, 2001, 8:16:29 AM, you wrote: MPJ> Greetings, MPJ> We would like to register our library's domain name. However, most companies MPJ> expect that you will use a credit card or moneywire to pay for this service. MPJ> Does anyone know of a company that accepts purchase orders for domain MPJ> registration? Thanks in advance. -Janice -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu Tue Apr 24 16:25:53 2001 From: ldjaffe at cats.ucsc.edu (Lee Jaffe) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Articles on Web e-resources management and web usability study In-Reply-To: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E750502AD981E@mailhost.bridgew.edu> References: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E750502AD981E@mailhost.bridgew.edu> Message-ID: <p04310103b70b90f96c66@[128.114.163.166]> If you're interested in a non-Gates perspective on this issue, I've recently published an article about our work with Filemaker Pro and Lasso: Lee Jaffe, "Exploring dynamic Web sites with databases: the UC Santa Cruz experience," Library Computing 19:1/2 (2000), 35-41. -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz >1. Davidson, Bryan H. (2001) "Database driven, dynamic content delivery: >providing and managing access to online resources using Microsoft Access and >Active Server Pages," OCLC Systems & Services, v. 17, no. 1, pp: 34-40. > >Bryan is the Webmaster and Electronic Products Librarian of the University >of Arkansas. In his article, he presents an efficient model to manage and >deliver the University of Arkansas Library's electronic subscription >services using Microsoft Access database software and an ASP scripting >method . From Kathlene_Hanson at monterey.edu Tue Apr 24 18:40:29 2001 From: Kathlene_Hanson at monterey.edu (Kathlene Hanson) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Bibliographic Services Coordinator at CSU Monterey Bay Library Message-ID: <fc.000f7aeb02ec4375000f7aeb02bd5966.2ec4616@monterey.edu> Position posted April 24, 2001 to multiple lists. Please excuse multiple messages. BIBLIOGRAPHIC SERVICES COORDINATOR. The Library at California State University, Monterey Bay, California, seeks a Coordinator to provide leadership in planning, organizing, and managing Bibliographic Services including acquisitions, serials, and cataloging. Responsible for development and implementation of the Library?s emerging electronic and print archival collections. Provides direction and new approaches for description and access to digital resources, including the Library?s extensive electronic journals collection. The Coordinator will also participate in reference and/or Information Competency instruction and may participate in collection development. For a full position description, please see:http://www.csumb.edu/general/fac-recruit/. CSU Monterey Bay is a highly collaborative and creative environment requiring a sincere commitment to advancing CSUMB?s academic goals, as identified in the University Vision Statement. This is a 12-month, tenure-track faculty appointment (position #MBBSC-0014). CSU Librarians are ranked as Assisant Librarian, Senior Assistant Librarian, Associate Librarian or Librarian. This Senior Assistant Librarian position will be hired at a salary of approximately $49,000. The salary range for Senior Assistant Librarian in 1999/2000 was $46,488 - $87,648 . First consideration given to applications received by June 8, 2001. Apply to Recruitment/Office of Academic Personnel Services, California State University, Monterey Bay, 100 Campus Center, Seaside, CA 93955-8001; (831) 582-3569; fax: (831) 582-3811. E-mail applications are encouraged: faculty_recruitment@monterey.edu. From cayz at lib.de.us Tue Apr 24 19:10:53 2001 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linking Access Database to Web In-Reply-To: <3ADDF3B1.5FE38092@super.org> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104241856060.25647-100000@del-aware.lib.de.us> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, barbara wrote: >We are hiring a consultant to aide with linking a Microsoft Access >database to our web site. I believe he intents to utilize active server >pages for this. I am in the process of creating my requirements document >for this project and am concerned I will overlook a key requirement. If >anyone could provide me with some information on this, I would greatly >appreciate it. > >Thank you >Barbara Blummer Barbara, Funny you should ask this. I just got done learning Access, programming Access, and now converting Access to HTML (all within a month). I have no (0) advice on how to do conversion from a live (active) dataset to HTML. However, if your database is (fairly) static, and all you want to do is generate a bunch of pages from it, so your local search engine can index them, it isn't that hard. Several people keyed in the information for a directory of libraries into a standard MS Access table. Then I used a product called "DB2HTML Express" that did a realy nice conversion extraction and conversion job. I intend to run this quarterly or thereabouts, so updates to the web directory are pretty current. You can email me for more information, or you can go directly to the vendor's site at http://www.xlinesoft.com/ , with info on the product at http://www.xlinesoft.com/db2html/overview.htm . I hope this helps. I get nothing for mentioning this product. James +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Cayz Telecommunications / Network Technologist I | | Email:cayz@lib.de.us Voice:302-739-4748 x130 Fax:302-739-6787 | | Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TMccoy at city.newport-beach.ca.us Tue Apr 24 19:23:56 2001 From: TMccoy at city.newport-beach.ca.us (McCoy, Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Dreamweaver UltraDev Message-ID: <010B56ACFB72D111851B0060089829C3D22A05@exchange_lib.city.newport-beach.ca.us> Hello. Anyone using Dreamweaver UltraDev (by Macromedia) to develop websites? Sincerely, Tom McCoy http://www.newportbeachlibrary.com From cayz at lib.de.us Tue Apr 24 19:28:32 2001 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? In-Reply-To: <000601c0cb3f$3750e340$061c1ec6@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104241920140.25647-100000@del-aware.lib.de.us> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Thomas Dowling wrote: >> I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote >> access? And what about the issue of authentication? >OhioLINK recently started hosting its first service open to both OhioLINK's >(academic) members and Ohio public library users. My perception is that the >answer to the first question is, "Poorly." And to the second question: >"Well enough to satisfy some not very demanding or ill-informed vendors." >In other words, referer authentication. OPLIN, the state public library >consortium, provides a login function that does a one-time lookup against a >user database and on success take users to a page with a link to Database X. >X's service provider then allows access to anyone whose user agent sends >that URL as its REFERER header. > >In other other words, access is available to anyone who A) knows the correct >Referer, B) knows the URL to send it to, C) has a telnet client, and D) >wants access badly enough to learn one grade D hacking trick. > >Thomas Dowling >Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu Thomas, Being the technical person that has set up a state-wide library-card authentication system based upon referer URLS, I'll agree that 90% of the vendors are using referer method. Maybe even 95%. However, I have at least one vendor who uses a back-channel method to confirm that the referer just received by the vendor did indeed originate at our host. Additionally, this backchannel method is encrypted by a key system updated monthly, so even if someone 1) steals the referer URL and 2) steals the Perl script on the back channel and 3) reverse-engineers the code to switch the answer-back IP address (which is encoded in the script...), it only works for a month, until the new key comes out. Its a lot of effort to get right, but we're sure and the vendor is sure, that only the registered patrons get in. But, that's only one of our 4 databases. Today.... James +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Cayz Telecommunications / Network Technologist I | | Email:cayz@lib.de.us Voice:302-739-4748 x130 Fax:302-739-6787 | | Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Apr 24 21:59:47 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Windows CE emulator Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B3AE@mail1.morrisville.edu> This summer our campus will be experimenting with wireless Pocket PCs. I am looking for a Windows CE emulator to run on my laptop so I can get an idea of how functional our current website and web based resources will be. Also where could I find at least a browser for the web that would emulate IE on Windows CE? Need ASAP. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From cockbuba at jmu.edu Wed Apr 25 09:02:16 2001 From: cockbuba at jmu.edu (Brian Cockburn) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: cross database searching Message-ID: <BPEKJPBKFDHBFMDECPFGEEMGCAAA.cockbuba@jmu.edu> Has anyone in an academic setting primarily, (but anyone in general) done any research or surveys that indicates user?s preferences regarding systems that allow cross-database searching. We are looking at developing a system where user?s can enter terms in a single form and search across multiple subscribed journal indices. some feel that users would appreciate and value this, others feel that would not be too terribly useful for academic users (undergrads are mostly who we are targeting here). Just looking to see if anyone has anything other than intuition on this. BAC Brian Cockburn Digital Services Librarian James Madison University VMail: 540.568.6978 EMail: cockbuba@jmu.edu Public Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/cockbuba From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Apr 25 12:18:17 2001 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Impact of statewide database deals? Message-ID: <200104251218.AA501940752@ansernet.rcls.org> In New York State, remote access authentication methods are negotiated between the vendors and the separate library systems that register for access. We use our own library system barcode numbers (originally CLSI-style, but now used on Dynix.) We'd really not want to have to make patrons carry around a second, State card. And we also wouldn't want to slap a second barcode onto our system cards. And we alse don't want to make patrons keep track of IDs and passwords; or have traffic by remote users filtered through our network connections. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Elena O'Malley" <omalleye@emmanuel.edu> Reply-To: omalleye@emmanuel.edu Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:05:45 -0700 (PDT) >> > It's becoming relatively common lately for a state to provide >> > central funding for access to full text databases for all the >> > state's residents. >> >> I've been wondering how states doing this are providing remote >> access? And what about the issue of authentication? > >Massachusetts Library and Information Network uses whatever the >vendor offers, as far as I can tell. Some are set up as Thomas Dowling >described for OhioLink -- referer authentication. Some ask for a username >& password after determining the requestor is outside an approved IP >range. The passworded ones are a mix -- sometimes unique to each >library, sometimes one per regional network, and sometimes they're >assigned by phases of the moon. > >Elena O'Malley, Technology Librarian, Cardinal Cushing Library >Emmanuel College, 400 The Fenway, Boston, MA 02115 >omalleye@emmanuel.edu > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org Author, KidsClick! Web Searching Skills Guide, http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/3/173.html -- From WagnerK at wpunj.edu Wed Apr 25 12:27:58 2001 From: WagnerK at wpunj.edu (Wagner, Kurt) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads Message-ID: <8756033D1A44D311A5020000C100543A0206CC9B@challenger.wpunj.edu> We have various profiles set up on our NT applications servers such that our public lab workstations cannot save to the hard drives. This pretty much stops folks from downloading. If they care to save to a floppy disk, they are welcome to. Kurt -------------------------------------- Kurt W. Wagner- Library Information Systems Sarah Byrd Askew Library - William Paterson University Wayne NJ USA 07506 973-720-2285 http://www.wpunj.edu/library mailto:wagnerk@wpunj.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ryan [SMTP:tryan@server.silo.lib.ia.us] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:23 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads > > We are constantly having problems with patrons downloading files from the > internet to the public terminals. > > We currently do not have a policy against downloads, and would like to > know what other librarys do about downloads. > > I would like as many responses as I can get. > > Thanks, > Tom Ryan > Computer Systems Tech. > Council Bluffs Public Library > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* From reitene at okstate.edu Wed Apr 25 12:38:35 2001 From: reitene at okstate.edu (Elizabeth A Reiten) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads Message-ID: <OFC4856ED4.989754A5-ON86256A39.005B3B87@cis.okstate.edu> Our Systems department has our public access machines locked down (using Fortres, apparently) so that patrons can download to floppy disks only. Occasionally something winds up on the C: drive, but when we reboot the machines, everything non-standard is cleaned out. And we have a student employee reboot all the machines first thing in the morning. If you'd like more information, I can get you an appropriate email address. Beth Reiten, Librarian Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone: 405-744-9109 Email: reitene@okstate.edu "Tom Ryan" <tryan@server.silo.lib.ia.us> Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org 04/25/01 11:21 AM Please respond to tryan To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@webjunction.org> cc: (bcc: Elizabeth A Reiten/lib/Okstate) Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads We are constantly having problems with patrons downloading files from the internet to the public terminals. We currently do not have a policy against downloads, and would like to know what other librarys do about downloads. I would like as many responses as I can get. Thanks, Tom Ryan Computer Systems Tech. Council Bluffs Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From razl00 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 12:50:03 2001 From: razl00 at yahoo.com (stephanie spearman) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads In-Reply-To: <000801c0cced$59c0d8e0$24eb1ccf@cbpl.lib.ia.us> Message-ID: <20010425165003.95280.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> I run a cacls.bat script that puts permissions on the public workstation OS (which is NT)--patrons are permitted to download to the temp file or a floppy and that's it. Same as you can choose to do with Fortress or Full Armor, etc. Anything that you have to 'download to run' we don't permit due to virus concerns. I also rely very heavily on the reghack "run only" which allows ME to choose the executables that can run on the workstation or in that profile. Here is a snippet of our internet use policy: "The library will not tolerate vandalism of property. This includes, but is not limited to, physical destruction, software modification, changing computer settings, and hacking into library computers. These actions will result in the cancellation of library computer privileges and may result in criminal prosecution." Which, of course, includes ADDING any programs to the hard drive. Stephanie Spearman Electronic Services Librarian NW GA Regional Library System Dalton, GA --- Tom Ryan <tryan@server.silo.lib.ia.us> wrote: > We are constantly having problems with patrons > downloading files from the internet to the public > terminals. > > We currently do not have a policy against downloads, > and would like to know what other librarys do about > downloads. > > I would like as many responses as I can get. > > Thanks, > Tom Ryan > Computer Systems Tech. > Council Bluffs Public Library > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this > list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, > and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From MarillJ at mail.nlm.nih.gov Wed Apr 25 13:35:08 2001 From: MarillJ at mail.nlm.nih.gov (Jennifer Marill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Systems Librarian position at NLM - Bethesda, MD Message-ID: <sae6d2ad.047@mail.nlm.nih.gov> Systems Librarian National Library of Medicine Bethesda, MD www.nlm.nih.gov The National Library of Medicine, Public Services Division, invites applications for a systems librarian to join a small, self-starting team responsible for MEDLINEplus (http://medlineplus.gov/), NLM's consumer health web site, and other web-based systems. The position provides opportunities to work with staff throughout NLM, other NIH institutes, and NN/LM network member libraries. Salary range is $ 36,656.00 - $ 69,099.00 For application information, see the announcement at https://careerhere.nih.gov/CHPublic/HRShowVac.taf?&VACANCY_uid1=7727 The National Library of Medicine is located in Bethesda, Maryland, within an easy walk of dozens of excellent restaurants and shopping. NLM is just a few minutes from downtown Washington D.C. on the area's Metro system From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Apr 25 13:38:25 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Windows CE emulator References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B3AE@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <006501c0cdae$880f94e0$e84ae980@usask.ca> > This summer our campus will be experimenting with wireless Pocket PCs. I am > looking for a Windows CE emulator to run on my laptop so I can get an idea > of how functional our current website and web based resources will be. Also > where could I find at least a browser for the web that would emulate IE on > Windows CE? Need ASAP. I hear IE on Windows 9.x emulates IE on Windows CE pretty well. :) Just make your browser window really really small. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Apr 25 13:51:45 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Windows CE emulator References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B3AE@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <006901c0cdb0$652dc350$e84ae980@usask.ca> > This summer our campus will be experimenting with wireless Pocket PCs. I am > looking for a Windows CE emulator to run on my laptop so I can get an idea > of how functional our current website and web based resources will be. Also > where could I find at least a browser for the web that would emulate IE on > Windows CE? Need ASAP. The Microsoft site states that hte Windows CE Toolkit for Visual Basic includes a Windows CE emulator. Also, check out this from the MSDN Online Magazine (Jan 2001): http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/01/CETools/CETools.asp It mentions eMbedded Visual Tools 3.0 which includes a WinCE emulator. eMbedded Visual Tools 3.0 is included with Microsoft Windows CE Platform Builder 3.0. See here for details: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/ce/tools/default.asp - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From telias at scls.lib.wi.us Wed Apr 25 13:54:45 2001 From: telias at scls.lib.wi.us (Tana Elias) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: text only sites Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425124802.00a401d0@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our site and it looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to know if you create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you use a software package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles so they're accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only duplicate of your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that cause ADA problems? I'm really hoping there's some service out there that will do it for me rather than maintaining two separate versions of each page! If people would respond directly to me, I'd be happy to post the results to the list. Tana Elias Madison (WI) Public Library From elewis at state.lib.ga.us Wed Apr 25 15:01:06 2001 From: elewis at state.lib.ga.us (Lewis, Erik) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Job Announcement Message-ID: <6D8B1CFE853CD411823B0008C7CFFE272CCA28@hermes.state.lib.ga.us> PLEASE EXCUSE THE MULTIPLE CROSS POSTINGS Technical PINES System Administrator The Office of Public Library Services, a unit of the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia, is seeking a customer service-oriented person for the position of System Administrator of the Georgia Library Public Information Network for Electronic Services (PINES). The PINES System Administrator will manage and maintain the operation of the PINES system in order to provide maximum customer service to PINES library staff and PINES users. Oversees diagnosis, repair, and replacement of system hardware, software, peripherals, and telecommunications for the PINES system. Minimum Qualifications: Extensive working knowledge of library automated systems. Extensive skills in the use of relational databases and large area networks. Demonstrated knowledge of UNIX. Experience with administration of an integrated library system, including in-depth configuration, reporting, administration, trouble-shooting, and user instruction. Demonstrated ability to apply innovative technologies in library settings. Strong customer service orientation. Excellent oral and written communication skills. Demonstrated ability to work effectively in a team setting. Preferred Qualifications: Master's degree in Library or Information Science from an ALA-accredited institution. Three to five years of experience with the administration of library technology applications, including extensive experience with integrated library systems. Experience with SIRSI Corporation's Workflows and WebCat library interfaces. Basic knowledge of SUN Solaris. Salary: From $46,000, dependent on qualifications and experience. Strong benefits package. Applications will be accepted until position is filled. Human Resources Board of Regents 270 Washington St. SW Atlanta, GA 30334 Or e-mail BOR-Apply@mail.regents.peachnet.edu NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE. The University System of Georgia is an equal opportunity employer. _________________________________ Erik Lewis Office of Public Library Services System Administrator-SIRSI phone: 404-327-6824 fax: 404-982-3563 From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Wed Apr 25 15:03:35 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEEDB63021@EXCHANGE_NE> We permit downloads to their personal disks. The only drives they can see in the 'SaveAs' box are A: and U: (U: being the network home directory - which they cannot access from any other stations - and which we clean out regularly). We have things pretty well locked down - but they can and do find ways around it by typing in paths etc. Policy prohibits saving anything to the local hard drive or the network. Although to my knowledge none of our librarians have taken any action against any patron who does so. They just leave it up to me to clean up the mess :-) Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX 817-515-6623 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ryan [mailto:tryan@server.silo.lib.ia.us] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Allowing Downloads We are constantly having problems with patrons downloading files from the internet to the public terminals. We currently do not have a policy against downloads, and would like to know what other librarys do about downloads. I would like as many responses as I can get. Thanks, Tom Ryan Computer Systems Tech. Council Bluffs Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Apr 25 16:15:12 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: text only sites Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B3C5@mail1.morrisville.edu> I would strongly advocate against doing a text only site or two sets of pages. If a site is created properly there is almost no reason for creating a separate text only site. All you have to do is follow ADA/W3C guidelines. It will make the site much more accessible to all of your patrons not just those that need to use screen readers or other special assistance. ___________________ Bill Drew - SUNY Morrisville Library BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant." -- Robert Louis Stevenson. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Apr 25 16:17:22 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425124802.00a401d0@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> Message-ID: <00a801c0cdc4$be77f2f0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tana Elias" <telias@scls.lib.wi.us> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our site and it > looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our > pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to know if you > create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you use a software > package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles so they're > accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only duplicate of > your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that cause ADA problems? > The WCAG says that text-only pages should only be used as a last resort. There aren't many things you can put into an HTML page that really prevent it from being accessible, if used with care, and all things considered it should be less work than creating and maintaining alternate pages. Make sure you've got your ALT text and NOSCRIPT elements as necessary. Can you give URLs for any of the pages people are saying need text-only alternatives for? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From macphail at racinelib.lib.wi.us Wed Apr 25 16:34:14 2001 From: macphail at racinelib.lib.wi.us (Jessica MacPhail) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2219 References: <028c01c0ccfb$4ed25a40$eedf5f80@jlwardpc> Message-ID: <3AE734C6.A3FB5816@racinelib.lib.wi.us> Has anyone tried the new Lycos product, "personal Internet assistants?" Sounds like reference librarians to me... "By speaking with Lycos 411's personal Internet assistants – live operators who surf the Web--subscribers are not limited by menus or keywords as with automated voice portals, but can access virtually any information available on the Internet." http://www.terralycos.com/press/pr_04_23e_1.html Jessica MacPhail City Librarian Racine Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mitchmd at lithgow.lib.me.us Wed Apr 25 16:34:34 2001 From: mitchmd at lithgow.lib.me.us (Mike Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Allowing Downloads In-Reply-To: <028c01c0ccfb$4ed25a40$eedf5f80@jlwardpc> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010425163434.007bedb0@mail.msln.net> Tom, We don't really allow downloads here. Patrons can Save As to A: but that's about it. I use a combination of Fortress to prevent saving to C: and disallow executing from A: (among many other things), Winselect to lock down the Destop and applications, and now, thanks to the suggestions on this list, Public Browser to lock down IE5.5. In fact, I switched everyone from Netscape 4.08 to IE5.5 just so we could use Public Browser. Also told Winselect to disallow addresses that start with ftp:// or file://. Michael Mitchell Systems Librarian Lithgow Public Library Augusta, ME mitchmd@lithgow.lib.me.us At 09:33 AM 4/25/01 -0700, Tom Ryan wrote: > >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:35:34 -0500 >From: "Tom Ryan" <tryan@server.silo.lib.ia.us> >To: <web4lib@webjunction.org> >Subject: Allowing Downloads >Message-ID: <000801c0cced$59c0d8e0$24eb1ccf@cbpl.lib.ia.us> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >We are constantly having problems with patrons downloading files from = >the internet to the public terminals. > >We currently do not have a policy against downloads, and would like to = >know what other librarys do about downloads. > >I would like as many responses as I can get. > >Thanks, >Tom Ryan >Computer Systems Tech. >Council Bluffs Public Library > > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* > > From cagimon at mplib.org Wed Apr 25 16:54:47 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites Message-ID: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB249C@alpha> Maybe I'm missing something, but I had no trouble at all browsing through your public website using Lynx on WinNT and FreeBSD. What pages do you think you'll need to provide text-only versions of? Are they in a version that's not public right now? (I'm not including your web OPAC here--that's a whole separate discussion about vendors and their many shortcomings. I doubt any of us have the access and control over our catalog interfaces that we really need.) --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Tana Elias [mailto:telias@scls.lib.wi.us] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > > > Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our > site and it > looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our > pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to > know if you > create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you > use a software > package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles > so they're > accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only > duplicate of > your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that > cause ADA problems? > > I'm really hoping there's some service out there that will do > it for me > rather than maintaining two separate versions of each page! > > If people would respond directly to me, I'd be happy to post > the results to > the list. > > Tana Elias > Madison (WI) Public Library > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Apr 25 17:06:16 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Nitty Gritty Apache question Message-ID: <002501c0cdcb$93927cc0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> For all you Apache jockeys out there... Sometime between versions 1.3.14 and 1.3.19, Apache introduced a minor change that's starting to give me headaches. The "RewriteRule" directive used to modify URLs without trying to do any interpretation on them. Given a line like this in httpd.conf: RewriteRule ^/foo/(.*) /bar/$1 Any request for a URL in the /foo directory would be redirected to the /bar directory, but nothing else would happen to the URL. In 1.3.19, I'm seeing Apache hex-encode characters it considers unsafe while doing the rewrite. So if I request '/foo/script.cgi?"alpha+beta"' I get redirected to '/bar/script.cgi?%22alpha+beta%22' (the double quote being ASCII character 22 in hex). This seems like a reasonable safety precaution. The problem is that Apache 1.3.19 considers the percent sign unsafe, so if I request '/foo/script.cgi?%22alpha+beta%22' I get redirected to '/bar/script.cgi?%2522alpha+beta%2522' (the percent sign being character 25 hex). On unencoding the script then sees a query string with the literal value '%22alpha beta%22' instead of '"alpha beta"' In this particular context, this leads to a 500 error. Has anyone else encountered this, and has anyone found a solution? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From macphail at racinelib.lib.wi.us Wed Apr 25 17:27:57 2001 From: macphail at racinelib.lib.wi.us (Jessica MacPhail) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: New form of reference service References: <3.0.5.32.20010425163434.007bedb0@mail.msln.net> Message-ID: <3AE7415D.C46F32BA@racinelib.lib.wi.us> Heard about the new Lycos product, "personal Internet assistants?" Sounds like reference librarians to me... "...today announced the introduction of Lycos 411, a new human-powered subscription service where Terra Lycos users can get Internet information by phone ... By speaking with Lycos 411's personal Internet assistants – live operators who surf the Web -- subscribers are not limited by menus or keywords as with automated voice portals, but can access virtually any information available on the Internet." http://www.terralycos.com/press/pr_04_23e_1.html Jessica MacPhail City Librarian Racine Public Library ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From esche_ma at oaklandlibrary.org Wed Apr 25 17:39:49 2001 From: esche_ma at oaklandlibrary.org (Margaret Escherich) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites In-Reply-To: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB249C@alpha> Message-ID: <NEBBIOKFOJDKKAGJNAIOIEAGDJAA.esche_ma@oaklandlibrary.org> I suspect you're talking about what you're planning for your redesign, rather than your current pages, no? In any case, separate text-only pages, if that's the only way you can provide ADA accessible information, are a good idea. (IMHO, ADA-accessible pages to begin with, instead of 'seperate but equal' sites, are a better idea...) Having given my 2 cents, try http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/betsie/. I have been meaning to experiment with it; the demos look good. It is self-reportedly the automatic text-only generator used by the BBC. -Margaret Escherich Oakland Public Library Oakland, CA > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Gimon, Charles A > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 1:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but I had no trouble at all browsing through > your public website using Lynx on WinNT and FreeBSD. What pages > do you think > you'll need to provide text-only versions of? Are they in a version that's > not public right now? > > (I'm not including your web OPAC here--that's a whole separate discussion > about vendors and their many shortcomings. I doubt any of us have > the access > and control over our catalog interfaces that we really need.) > > --Charles Gimon > Web Coordinator > Minneapolis Public Library > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tana Elias [mailto:telias@scls.lib.wi.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:03 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > > > > > > Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our > > site and it > > looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our > > pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to > > know if you > > create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you > > use a software > > package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles > > so they're > > accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only > > duplicate of > > your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that > > cause ADA problems? > > > > I'm really hoping there's some service out there that will do > > it for me > > rather than maintaining two separate versions of each page! > > > > If people would respond directly to me, I'd be happy to post > > the results to > > the list. > > > > Tana Elias > > Madison (WI) Public Library > > From richard at goerwitz.com Wed Apr 25 17:44:18 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Linking Access Database to Web References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104241856060.25647-100000@del-aware.lib.de.us> Message-ID: <3AE74532.BE8FB215@Goerwitz.COM> Barbara Blummer wrote: > >We are hiring a consultant to aide with linking a Microsoft Access > >database to our web site. I believe he intents to utilize active server > >pages for this. If the relevant decisions have already been made, and you're just putting final touches on this aspect of the website, then this is not going to be a relevant question... But I'm curious whether you've explored open-source and/or open- standard solutions for your problems/needs. -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From P8D at gml.lib.uwm.edu Wed Apr 25 17:47:46 2001 From: P8D at gml.lib.uwm.edu (Patti Day) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: Poll--staff and % of job as webmaster Message-ID: <sae6ffca.026@gml.lib.uwm.edu> Hello all, I am a new member of this list so please excuse me if this topic has been covered before. I have searched the archives a bit, but did not seem to hit on the type of information we desire. I will sum responses and post back to the list. I am a member my library's web steering committee. We are writing a proposal to our administration suggesting the hiring of a half or full time webmaster for our site. We feel we need someone to control day-to-day operations, assist departmental websters in the creation and updating of pages, gather statistics, etc. We are a Research II, Doctoral granting institution, of approximately 24,000 students. I would like to hear from other similar institutions that have permanent employees with the above listed tasks as the main focus of their job descriptions. Please include the level of the position (professional, library degree or not, etc.), % of job duties assigned to web duties, typical duties included in the job description and anything else any one wants to add. We are open to suggestions/questions. Thank you for your time. Patti Patti Day Reference Librarian for Digital Spatial Data American Geographical Society Collection University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee P.O. Box 399 Milwaukee, WI 53201 Phone: 414-229-6282 E-mail: p8d@uwm.edu From andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au Wed Apr 25 20:39:17 2001 From: andrewc at mail.vicnet.net.au (Andrew Cunningham) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425124802.00a401d0@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010426103917.024117d0@mail.vicnet.net.au> Hi Tana, I tend to work predominately in text for most of the site, due to accessibility issues and the fact that i need material on teh site to be veiwable fromwith lynx and otehr text browsers ... the creative use of CSS allows you to provide a more visually appealing appearance to a text site. another alternative is to use something like "Betsie" a perl script developed by teh BBC to provide a text only, large font, high contrast colour version of their sites. The BBC allow peopel to download and use Betsie on their own sites. I cann't remember the url for the Betsie homepage, have a look at http://www.openroad.net.au/access/ there should be a link to Betsie on that page. Ciao Andj. At 01:05 PM 4/25/01 -0700, Tana Elias wrote: >Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our site and it >looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our >pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to know if you >create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you use a software >package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles so they're >accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only duplicate of >your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that cause ADA problems? > >I'm really hoping there's some service out there that will do it for me >rather than maintaining two separate versions of each page! > >If people would respond directly to me, I'd be happy to post the results to >the list. > >Tana Elias >Madison (WI) Public Library > > From cagimon at mplib.org Wed Apr 25 17:13:16 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites Message-ID: <DF1BECFDA8D9D311BB7E00105A08EE28AB249D@alpha> > -----Original Message----- > From: Gimon, Charles A > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:55 PM > To: 'web4lib@webjunction.org' > Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but I had no trouble at all > browsing through your public website using Lynx on WinNT and > FreeBSD. What pages do you think you'll need to provide > text-only versions of? Are they in a version that's not > public right now? > > (I'm not including your web OPAC here--that's a whole > separate discussion about vendors and their many > shortcomings. I doubt any of us have the access and control > over our catalog interfaces that we really need.) > > --Charles Gimon > Web Coordinator > Minneapolis Public Library > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tana Elias [mailto:telias@scls.lib.wi.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:03 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] text only sites > > > > > > Hello. I'm in the process of planning for a redesign of our > > site and it > > looks like we'll have to provide text-only access to some of our > > pages. Are others doing this currently? If so, I'd like to > > know if you > > create the alternative text-only pages one by one or if you > > use a software > > package or service to strip your pages of bells and whistles > > so they're > > accessible to all. Also, do you provide an exact text-only > > duplicate of > > your site, or only provide text-only for those pages that > > cause ADA problems? > > > > I'm really hoping there's some service out there that will do > > it for me > > rather than maintaining two separate versions of each page! > > > > If people would respond directly to me, I'd be happy to post > > the results to > > the list. > > > > Tana Elias > > Madison (WI) Public Library > > > From pfa at umich.edu Fri Apr 27 09:16:20 2001 From: pfa at umich.edu (P. F. (Pat) Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: Fwd: Report from the Information Revolution Commission Message-ID: <p0431010eb70f20d9ce56@[141.211.159.15]> I thought this group would be interested in seeing the following report on IT in contemporary academia from the University of Michigan. FYI! -- Pat Anderson >To: "Faculty and Staff"@umich.edu >From: "Lee C. Bollinger" <pirc.report@umich.edu> >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:10:58 >Subject: Report from the Information Revolution Commission >Status: O > >Dear Colleagues: > >I am pleased to share with you the final report of the President's Information >Revolution Commission, available on-line at http://www.umich.edu/pres/inforev. > >The report is impressive. It is a thorough, thoughtful, and >comprehensive assessment of the University's information technology >needs and opportunities. For this tremendous, year-long effort, I >am most grateful to co-chairs Stephen Director and John King, to the >commission members, to the members of the several subcommissions >that studied the implications of the information revolution for >teaching, research, infrastructure, and global outreach, and finally >to the many faculty, students, and staff who shared their thoughts >and advice with the commission. > >The commission calls on us to embrace the emerging digital >environment and to assist a world grappling with an explosion of >information. As the report notes, a key principle, sometimes >overlooked in the midst of hyperbole about the digital age, is that >information is not knowledge. The University must engage with these >important phenomena without, I would add, losing the particular >intellectual character that has marked the best academic >communities. The University of Michigan ought to play a pivotal >role in harnessing the immense volumes of information to create real >knowledge, and not least, knowledge about the digital environment >itself. The University's depth and breadth make an ideal setting >not only for developing and using new technologies in research and >scholarship, but also for studying how the information revolution >affects every aspect of our lives ? from politics to science, from >technology to culture. > >Many will be intrigued with the commission's concept of creating an >"ecology of experimentation" to encourage new collaborations and new >discoveries. The sense of intellectual adventure expressed in this >idea is one we all can appreciate. Experimentation may yield new >areas of study, new approaches to old problems, and wider deployment >of promising technologies that first appear in small pilot programs. >In this process of trial and error, we will perhaps also discover >useful knowledge about the nature of human interaction with these >new technologies. > >Much work lies ahead to meet the challenges outlined in this report. >The commission has emphasized that there are significant short-term >technology infrastructure needs. I am prepared to begin committing >resources necessary for infrastructure upgrades, and to work with >the executive officers and deans to strengthen the University's >network dramatically over the next five years. Indeed, some >recommended infrastructure upgrades are already underway. It is >worth noting, for instance, that all renovation and new building >projects include technological infrastructure specifications that >are consistent with the commission's recommendations. Additionally, >as recently as the April Regents meeting, several million dollars >were committed to take another step in the extension and enhancement >of the University's fiberoptic backbone. > >Also, the commission identifies various policy issues to be >resolved, most notably our policies on intellectual property. I >have recently received a preliminary draft policy from the Copyright >Policy Committee appointed earlier this academic year. I plan to >meet with the committee shortly and to bring this issue to the >campus in the fall. > >The scope of the report's recommendations and the decisions before us are both >daunting and exciting; certainly, they will require further deliberation and >planning. I anticipate a series of campus discussions, and possibly a set of >advisory groups to help guide our efforts. We will undertake these >discussions in the months ahead. > >Finally, and on a more global note, I am pleased by the convergence >of several major institutional initiatives we have underway ? in the >life sciences, information technology, and in the upcoming report on >undergraduate education. They complement and enhance one another, >and none can fully succeed if approached in isolation. We must, >therefore, do our best to see that these several discussions are >integrated. > >Again, my sincere gratitude to those who contributed to this >significant effort. > >Sincerely, > >Lee C. Bollinger -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson 734/763-2953, voice Dentistry Library, Univ. Michigan 734/764-4477, fax 1100 Dental Bldg. <mailto: pfa@umich.edu> 1011 North University Ave. WWW: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/ Ann Arbor, Michigan WWW: http://www.lib.umich.edu/dentlib/ 48109-1078 "No educational institutions ... can assume to be well equipped for their work without a good library and museum. The library should contain ... the entire literature of all subjects and branches taught in a given institution. Dental colleges should be no means be an exception in this respect." Taft, J. Dental Register 47 (1893):105-114. From ladyhawk at well.com Fri Apr 27 09:28:24 2001 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Wireless Ethernet In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0104261657010.27424-100000@maple.iren.net> Message-ID: <200104271329.GAA06469@smtp.well.com> You should find some links of interest in the Tech Note on Wireless I recently updated for the Public Library Asociation, at http://www.pla.org/technotes/wireless2001.html GraceAnne DeCandido (sig file below) Michael Dargan sent an e-note on 26 Apr 01, about [WEB4LIB] Wireless Ethernet > Our library is contemplating a new building with > construction starting in the Fall of 2002 with completion > probably in early 2004. We're looking at about 48,000 > square feet and about 50 network nodes for webopacs, public, > and staff Internet stations and printers. (I predict this > won't be enough). > > We're in the midst of a heated debate. I think that > wireless ethernet might well be the way to go within two > years or so. Others tell me that wireless ethernet is "pie > in the sky" and that to be on the safe side we should run > miles of Cat 5. > > Are there any libraries on this list who have gone wireless? > If so, are you glad you did? Or not? > > If you reply to me off list with Yes, No, or maybe I'll > compile the answers and will publish. Amusing anecdotes and > horror stories are welcome. > > I'm especially interested in knowing of anyone who lost his > or her job because of choosing wireless. > > --- > Michael J. Dargan office: 319 > 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator > fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries > Waterloo, IA 50701 > > GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html Wizards do not lie; words are their tool and currency, which they dare not devalue. Diane Duane from The Book of Night with Moon From jmwasik at ericir.syr.edu Fri Apr 27 12:15:12 2001 From: jmwasik at ericir.syr.edu (Joann Wasik) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: Updated bibliography on digital reference Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271214140.18661-100000@ericir.syr.edu> The Virtual Reference Desk (VRD) has updated its bibliography of articles, papers, and other resources on digital reference. Originally published in the book "Digital Reference Service in the New Millennium: Planning, Management, and Evaluation" (Neal-Schuman Publishers, 2000), the bibliography is updated regularly on the VRD Web site. Resources are listed by category (e.g. real time technologies, academic libraries, etc.) for easier user navigation. The bibliography can be found at <http://vrd.org/pubinfo/proceedings99_bib.html>. Enjoy! Joann -------------------------------------------------------------------- Joann M. Wasik Research Consultant & Communications Officer The Virtual Reference Desk jmwasik@vrd.org www.vrd.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Apr 27 16:07:29 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: Results on Wireless Survey of SUNY libraries so far Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B404@mail1.morrisville.edu> The focus is if library will have by Fall 2001 a wireless network for patron access. Here are some results so far. I have gotten 57 out a potential 65 responses. C - community colleges; A - Arts & Sciences; H - Health Science Centers; S - Specials/Statutory; T - Colleges of Technology; U - University Centers Wireless Type no yes # Pos. Rate of Response C 20 5 25 30 83.33% F 8 5 13 13 100.00% H 2 2 4 50.00% S 4 5 9 9 100.00% T 1 4 5 5 100.00% U 2 1 3 4 75.00% Total 37 20 57 65 87.69% 35.09% The table above shows a response rate overall of 87.69%. 35.09% (20) of units will have wireless by Fall 2001. ------------------------ No Wireless (37 units) Plans Type no yes Total % C 13 7 20 35.0% F 3 5 8 62.5% H 1 1 2 50.0% S 2 2 4 50.0% T 1 1 100.0% U 1 1 2 50.0% Total 20 17 37 45.9% Of those with no wireless by Fall 2001, 45.9% (17) have plans for wireless in the future. Combined with the number that have wireless by Fall 2001, potentially 64.9% of SUNY units will wireless in their libraries. -------------------------- Lending of laptops 15 libraries with wireless by Fall 2001 lend laptops or will lend laptops. 2 libraries with no plans for wireless also lend laptops. Here are several links to information about wireless on a few campuses: http://www.sunyjcc.edu/jamestown/library/newsltr/83_news.html#d http://library.geneseo.edu/info/laptops.shtml http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/cil2001/ http://www.cobleskill.edu/personnel/its/campustechnology/vanwagenen.htm http://www.alfredstate.edu/welcome/press_releases/04060002.html I will have the final results as part of my presentation at SUNYLA. ___________________ Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''- George W. Bush; Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 From Caryn.Wesner at uspto.gov Fri Apr 27 17:20:06 2001 From: Caryn.Wesner at uspto.gov (Caryn.Wesner@uspto.gov) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: Wireless Ethernet Message-ID: <B8BD3C75257CE444A49547169362A2FE8B837B@uspto-is-107.uspto.gov> Michael - There's an article in the March 2001 Computers in Libraries (21(3):28-32) by James L. "Larry" Glover, called "Look Ma, No Wires! or, The 10 Steps of Wireless Networking." His last section is titled "Downsides? Hmm? Anyone?" and he professes not to be able to find any. I don't think this article is in their online version (although I can't check it right now), but hopefully you should be able to come up with a copy of the paper version. Between that and a smattering of other articles I've read recently, I'd really think that wireless is the way to go. Good luck! Caryn S. Wesner-Early, MSLS Technical Information Specialist Biotechnology and Chemical Library U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Phone: (703) 308-4501 Fax: (703) 308-4496 caryn.wesner@uspto.gov -----------original message------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:05:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Dargan <darganm@maple.iren.net> To: web4lib <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Subject: Wireless Ethernet Our library is contemplating a new building with construction starting in the Fall of 2002 with completion probably in early 2004. We're looking at about 48,000 square feet and about 50 network nodes for webopacs, public, and staff Internet stations and printers. (I predict this won't be enough). We're in the midst of a heated debate. I think that wireless ethernet might well be the way to go within two years or so. Others tell me that wireless ethernet is "pie in the sky" and that to be on the safe side we should run miles of Cat 5. Are there any libraries on this list who have gone wireless? If so, are you glad you did? Or not? If you reply to me off list with Yes, No, or maybe I'll compile the answers and will publish. Amusing anecdotes and horror stories are welcome. I'm especially interested in knowing of anyone who lost his or her job because of choosing wireless. --- Michael J. 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Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From dspp at operamail.com Thu Apr 26 16:40:12 2001 From: dspp at operamail.com (D. Popeck) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: Gates PC set-up Message-ID: <3B193976@operamail.com> We are lucky enough to be granted 6 PCs from the Gates Foundation. I was wondering about the physical set-up that libraries are using (ie furniture-tables used, monitors on teh table-top or on stands, etc.). We now have three tables along walls, but their set up will have to be changed to accomodate the Gateway towers and the large monitors. If anyone could send their arrangement off-list, I'd appreciate it. Also comments re the PCs pros and cons would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance. D. Popeck Madison Library From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Apr 27 19:19:06 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Dreamweaver UltraDev In-Reply-To: <010B56ACFB72D111851B0060089829C3D22A05@exchange_lib.city.newport-beach.ca.us> References: <010B56ACFB72D111851B0060089829C3D22A05@exchange_lib.city.newport-beach.ca.us> Message-ID: <5319110068.20010427171906@riverofdata.com> Macromedia has just announced that UltraDev will no longer be developed. Check the website for details. (And that only became a Macromedia product after they bought Allaire) dan Wednesday, April 25, 2001, 11:09:33 AM, you wrote: MT> Hello. MT> Anyone using Dreamweaver UltraDev (by Macromedia) to develop websites? MT> Sincerely, MT> Tom McCoy MT> http://www.newportbeachlibrary.com -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Fri Apr 27 19:24:01 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:28 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Wireless Ethernet References: <B8BD3C75257CE444A49547169362A2FE8B837B@uspto-is-107.uspto.gov> Message-ID: <3AE9FF91.8B30CA82@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Downsides are not big ones, but here is my list. 1) No more than 20 wireless computers on any one antenna. Even at this number, we would problably overwhelm the unit. 2) 2 Mbps at a distance over 50 yards from the antanna but only if you have no obstructions. I know there is a point where it will not transmit beyond, but that distance would be outside the facility we are testing our equipment in. 3) 11 Mbps ceiling on wireless transmission making this insufficient for streaming video. Gigabit ethernet fans need to look elsewhere. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Caryn.Wesner@uspto.gov wrote: > > Michael - > > There's an article in the March 2001 Computers in Libraries (21(3):28-32) by > James L. "Larry" Glover, called "Look Ma, No Wires! or, The 10 Steps of > Wireless Networking." His last section is titled "Downsides? Hmm? Anyone?" > and he professes not to be able to find any. I don't think this article is > in their online version (although I can't check it right now), but hopefully > you should be able to come up with a copy of the paper version. Between > that and a smattering of other articles I've read recently, I'd really think > that wireless is the way to go. Good luck! > > Caryn S. Wesner-Early, MSLS > Technical Information Specialist > Biotechnology and Chemical Library > U.S. Patent and Trademark Office > Phone: (703) 308-4501 > Fax: (703) 308-4496 > caryn.wesner@uspto.gov > > -----------original message------------ > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:05:04 -0500 (CDT) > From: Michael Dargan <darganm@maple.iren.net> > To: web4lib <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Wireless Ethernet > > Our library is contemplating a new building with construction starting in > the Fall of 2002 with completion probably in early 2004. We're looking at > about 48,000 square feet and about 50 network nodes for webopacs, public, > and staff Internet stations and printers. (I predict this won't > be enough). > > We're in the midst of a heated debate. I think that wireless > ethernet might well be the way to go within two years or so. Others tell > me that wireless ethernet is "pie in the sky" and that to be on the safe > side we should run miles of Cat 5. > > Are there any libraries on this list who have gone wireless? If so, are > you glad you did? Or not? > > If you reply to me off list with Yes, No, or maybe I'll compile the > answers and will publish. Amusing anecdotes and horror stories > are welcome. > > I'm especially interested in knowing of anyone who lost his or her job > because of choosing wireless. > > --- > Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 > Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 > Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Apr 2 07:46:52 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] converting HTML to XHTML References: <F6Ctgx8VUkRacUtI9dm00009944@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <012a01c0bb6a$9ca1f0c0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Our library recently exported an Excel table to HTML and posted it to our > Web site. The table is a huge document and contains a ton of HTML coding, > which, unfortunately, results in lengthy downloading time. To speed up > downloading time, we need to decrease the amount of HTML coding the table > contains. One idea was to convert the HTML coding to XHTML. Thus, many of > the table tags would be eliminated and replaced by style sheet instructions. > Is there a program that can convert HTML to XHTML? If so, would it > replace HTML coding (for tables) into style sheet instructions? Thanks. > Someone is misleading you about what XHTML is. It is neither more nor less than a rewritting of HTML 4.01 from SGML to XML. It adds no new functionality and cannot magically make a huge table fast to load. It *is* possible to rewrite many pages that use tables for layout, using carefully constructed stylesheets. That is not related to using XHTML, and it isn't intended to replace pages with actual tabular data. >From your several posts about this table, let me make the following recommendations: Don't rely on Excel, or any Office application, to generate HTML for you. Or at least, if you do so, be prepared for a lot of manual clean-up. For Excel tables, consider exporting them to a comma- or tab-delimited file and then using a good text editor. Spreadsheets aren't web pages and vice versa; unless absolutely necessary, don't put very long tables into HTML. Thanks to the continued brain-dead table rendering in current browsers, none of the major browsers is capable of showing any part of a table until it downloads and calculates the layout for the entire table. You'll usually be better off using multiple tables or multiple pages, or both. If users need to interact with your table--for instance, by sorting on different columns--static HTML cannot help. You will need some server-side script to handle that (unless a JavaScript wizard can help out, but that opens up other difficulties). Finally, you'll get more concrete answers to your questions if you post the URL for the page. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From m.napier at ukoln.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 08:53:00 2001 From: m.napier at ukoln.ac.uk (Marieke Napier) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: converting HTML to XHTML References: <012a01c0bb6a$9ca1f0c0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <009a01c0bb73$d909b8a0$d413268a@ukoln.ac.uk> I agree with what Thomas has said...you may need to seriously rethink how you are creating and serving up your Web pages. This aside I can recommend a programme that does an excellent job of converting HTML to XHTML. HTML-Kit is great for tidying up and validating up your code. It is also really easy to use and well supported. http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ Good Luck. Marieke -------------------------------------------------------- Marieke Napier, Information Officer Editor of the Cultivate Interactive Web magazine UKOLN, University of Bath, BATH, England, BA2 7AY Exploit Interactive: http://www.exploit-lib.org/ Cultivate Interactive: http://www.cultivate-int.org/ Homepage: http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ukoln/staff/m.napier/ Phone: 01225 826354 FAX: 01225 826838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <web4lib@webjunction.org> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: converting HTML to XHTML > > Our library recently exported an Excel table to HTML and posted it to > our > > Web site. The table is a huge document and contains a ton of HTML > coding, > > which, unfortunately, results in lengthy downloading time. To speed up > > downloading time, we need to decrease the amount of HTML coding the > table > > contains. One idea was to convert the HTML coding to XHTML. Thus, many > of > > the table tags would be eliminated and replaced by style sheet > instructions. > > Is there a program that can convert HTML to XHTML? If so, would it > > replace HTML coding (for tables) into style sheet instructions? Thanks. > > > > Someone is misleading you about what XHTML is. It is neither more nor > less than a rewritting of HTML 4.01 from SGML to XML. It adds no new > functionality and cannot magically make a huge table fast to load. It > *is* possible to rewrite many pages that use tables for layout, using > carefully constructed stylesheets. That is not related to using XHTML, > and it isn't intended to replace pages with actual tabular data. > > > >From your several posts about this table, let me make the following > recommendations: > > Don't rely on Excel, or any Office application, to generate HTML for you. > Or at least, if you do so, be prepared for a lot of manual clean-up. For > Excel tables, consider exporting them to a comma- or tab-delimited file > and then using a good text editor. > > Spreadsheets aren't web pages and vice versa; unless absolutely necessary, > don't put very long tables into HTML. Thanks to the continued brain-dead > table rendering in current browsers, none of the major browsers is capable > of showing any part of a table until it downloads and calculates the > layout for the entire table. You'll usually be better off using multiple > tables or multiple pages, or both. > > If users need to interact with your table--for instance, by sorting on > different columns--static HTML cannot help. You will need some > server-side script to handle that (unless a JavaScript wizard can help > out, but that opens up other difficulties). > > > Finally, you'll get more concrete answers to your questions if you post > the URL for the page. > > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Apr 2 09:14:51 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: converting HTML to XHTML References: <009a01c0bb73$d909b8a0$d413268a@ukoln.ac.uk> Message-ID: <015c01c0bb77$36b0c270$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > This aside I can recommend a programme that does an excellent job of > converting HTML to XHTML. HTML-Kit is great for tidying up and validating > up your code. It is also really easy to use and well supported. > > http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ > It looks like this kit includes a version of that Truly Useful utility, HTML Tidy, which does in fact do a very good job of taking the gibberish Office calls HTML and making it presentable. <URL:http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/#download>. Office 2000 has a downloadable filter that allows its own "Save as HTML" to remove most of the proprietary garbage it ordinarily sticks in. <URL:http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/Msohtmf2.htm>. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bob at esrl.lib.md.us Mon Apr 2 09:28:05 2001 From: bob at esrl.lib.md.us (Bob Long) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Zeldman interview at New Breed Librarian Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104020918170.12867-100000@mail.esrl.lib.md.us> New Breed Librarian has done an interview with Jeffery Zeldman - http://www.newbreedlibrarian.org/archives/01.02.apr2001/interview1.html Not much in the interview that hasn't been discussed on Web4Lib (it could have just as easily been an interview with Thomas Dowling in places), but it's a fresh perspecive and he touches on his project (Click On @ The Library) with the New York Public Library, which sounds interesting. Here's a teaser: "Libraries are attractive to me on many levels. And I think what they do is somewhat analogous to what independent, non-commercial websites do. I don't care how organized and bureaucratic some large libraries may be; essentially they are labors of love." Bob Long, Eastern Shore Regional Library, Inc. Automation Technical Assistant 410 479 0776 (v) 410 548 5807 (f) bob@esrl.lib.md.us From Swanson at moraine.cc.il.us Mon Apr 2 11:01:48 2001 From: Swanson at moraine.cc.il.us (Swanson, Troy) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Electronic White Boards Message-ID: <50F30A37D0F8D411872F00902743AC3F2415EA@EXCHANGE> Kathy, The librarians at Moraine Valley Community College use a Smart Board in our orientation lab. We are extremely happy with it, and we don't know how we got along without it in the past. There are two issues that I would bring to your attention concerning the use of Smart Boards. First, the best idea is to use them in a location where they will not be moved. Every time the Smart Board is moved, the new user will have to recalibrate the board with the projector. Our board is mounted on a wall and therefore, is stationary. Second, the writing feature (ability to write free hand on the screen) is somewhat choppy. If you plan on using the Smart Board in place of a chalk board, I would be cautious. It is not as smooth as some of Smart Board's competitors that I've seen at several conferences. Maybe other list members who use this technology could comment on this aspect? Other than these two points (which we found to me minor problems) we love our smart board. I have come to dread the few days a year where I go out and teach in "regular" classrooms that do have Smart Boards. Hope this helps, Troy Swanson Teaching and Learning Librarian Moraine Valley Community College Palos Hills, Illinois > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathy Petlewski [SMTP:mkp@pdl.plymouth.lib.mi.us] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Electronic White Boards > > We will be purchasing an electronic white board to use in our training > room to help with our Internet searching class. I have to submit a > proposal this week and have not been able to find reviews comparing the > Smart Board, Team Board and Ibid. Do any of you own one of these products > and are you satisfied with its performance? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Kathy Petlewski > Electronic Resources Librarian > Plymouth District Library > Plymouth MI 48170 From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 2 11:46:45 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer programming In-Reply-To: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCOEKDCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> References: <LPBBJGMLHFIEFJGKIDMCOEKDCGAA.LBAyre@galecia.com> Message-ID: <178254861281.20010402094645@riverofdata.com> Sunday, April 01, 2001, 1:38:02 PM, you wrote: LBA> I agree with you when you say ".. the next steps in delivering libraries LBA> thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To LBA> accomplish these steps, we LBA> need programmers..." The problem is the pay programmers can command is way LBA> out of line with what libraries are able to pay. My observation has been LBA> that library salaries for technical staff are easily 1/3 less than what LBA> those folks can earn in the business world. The problem isn't what libraries are able to pay, it is what they're willing to pay. Money can be found if it is a high enough priority. However, most library administrators aren't happy when they have to pay "a mere techie" more than they make themselves, particularly if that techie is half the age of the administrator. So, they try to make do with librarians posing as techies or programmers, or student help (which may be quite good, but also quite temporary). The other part of the problem is that most libraries don't need to have a full time "programmer" or "software engineer" or whatever, and most of those people don't want to spend half of their lives doing boring stuff like installing PCs and holding users' hands. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Mon Apr 2 12:06:57 2001 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: .org to be strictly limited to non-profits only??? References: <F53RLVbNDN4CxpAOAkK00006c0d@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3AC8A3A1.85F128F8@cdrewu.edu> > http://www.dailynews.com/news/articles/0401/01/new12.asp Some people that run personal sites, or divisions of for-profit companies (e.g. slashdot.org) are concerned... -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Apr 2 12:16:39 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] .org to be strictly limited to non-profits only??? In-Reply-To: <3AC8A3A1.85F128F8@cdrewu.edu> References: <3AC8A3A1.85F128F8@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: <381032434.20010402101639@riverofdata.com> Well, if this happens as quickly as the new TLDs or ipV6 or all sorts of other things, we could all be dead before then. dan Monday, April 02, 2001, 10:00:08 AM, you wrote: >> CPH> http://www.dailynews.com/news/articles/0401/01/new12.asp CPH> Some people that run personal sites, or divisions of for-profit companies CPH> (e.g. slashdot.org) are concerned... CPH> -- CPH> Charles P. Hobbs CPH> King Drew Health Science Library CPH> http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Apr 2 12:23:15 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: .org to be strictly limited to non-profits only??? References: <381032434.20010402101639@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <002301c0bb91$8a71f4f0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Well, if this happens as quickly as the new TLDs or ipV6 or all sorts > of other things, we could all be dead before then. > Speaking of which, have there been any recent developments on .info and the other TLDs approved last year? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Apr 2 14:44:15 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: .org to be strictly limited to non-profits only??? Message-ID: <E14k9JI-0005Lr-00@mailhost.yaknet> Thomas Dowling <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> said: > > Well, if this happens as quickly as the new TLDs or ipV6 or all sorts > > of other things, we could all be dead before then. > > > > Speaking of which, have there been any recent developments on .info and > the other TLDs approved last year? Funny you should ask, I just so happen to have something here in front of me about it. According to the latest report I could find, the TLDs were supposed to be available by July of this year, but "could be delayed by several months or more" because of contract negotiations and other legal woes. If you like Reuters had an artical on it, the very one I'm reading actually. Try www.reuters.com and doing a search for the article ICANN: Launch of New Domain Names Behind Schedule. According to the date, it was posted March 4, 2001. Hope that helps! Dan -- The subject in question... ------------- Daniel Messer Technologies Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us 509-452-8541 ext 712 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 ----------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From levinej at sls.lib.il.us Mon Apr 2 14:56:15 2001 From: levinej at sls.lib.il.us (Jenny Levine) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Electronic White Boards References: <50F30A37D0F8D411872F00902743AC3F2415EA@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <3AC8CB4F.A9D7F612@sls.lib.il.us> Kathy Petlewski wrote: > We will be purchasing an electronic white board to use in our training > room to help with our Internet searching class. I have to submit a > proposal this week and have not been able to find reviews comparing the > Smart Board, Team Board and Ibid. Do any of you own one of these products > and are you satisfied with its performance? Any help would be > appreciated. For a more mobile solution, you could try the "Mimio." We bought one for use at our Library System and it has come in handy the few times we've used it so far. We've only had it for a couple of months, but we like the idea of being able to take it anywhere. To use it, you suction cup it to any white board and plug it into a desktop computer or laptop. Special wrappers for the pens send wireless signals to the device, which then sends them to the PC. It's a lot of fun to play with, although like any of the white boards you have to write clearly and deliberately. Don't believe the hype about their handwriting recognition software -- it's still got a ways to go, but overall we like this product. YMMV. http://www.mimio.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny Levine 125 Tower Drive Internet Development Specialist Burr Ridge, IL 60521 Suburban Library System +1 (630) 734 5141 http://www.sls.lib.il.us/ levinej@sls.lib.il.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dbell at loc.gov Mon Apr 2 15:01:56 2001 From: dbell at loc.gov (danna bell-russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Announcement of Slave Narratives Collections on American Memory Message-ID: <3AC8CCA4.EDFF7B87@loc.gov> Good afternoon, This announcement is being sent to a number of lists. Please accept our apologies for any duplicate postings. The Library of Congress National Digital Library Program announces the release of the online collection, "Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938, at the American Memory Web site at: <http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/> "Born in Slavery" is a joint presentation of the Manuscript and Prints and Photographs Divisions of the Library of Congress. More than 2,300 first-person accounts of slavery comprising over 9,500 page images with searcheable text, bibliographic records and 500 black-and-white photographs of former slaves are now available. More than 200 photographs are included from the Prints and Photographs Division that are now made available to the public for the first time. The photographs of former slaves are linked to their corresponding narratives. The Federal Writers' Project (FWP) originally made no plans for collecting slave autobiographies and reminiscences. Interviews with former slaves were undertaken spontaneously after the inception of the FWP and were included among the activities of several Southern Writers' Projects for almost a year before these isolated efforts were transformed into a concerted regional project, coordinated by the national headquarters of the FWP in Washington, D.C. On April 1, 1937, the collection of slave narratives formally began with the dispatch of instructions to all Southern and border states directing their Writers' Project workers to the task of interviewing former slaves. Today, the Slave Narrative Collection provides a unique and virtually unsurpassed collective portrait of a historical population. This online collection features an extensive introductory essay by Norman R. Yetman of the University of Kansas which includes information about the interviewers, the people interviewed, and the processes of collection and compilation, as well as a wealth of fascinating stories and candid portraits of former slaves. The digitization of the collection was made possible by a major gift from the Citigroup Foundation. Please direct any questions to ndlpcoll@loc.gov From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Mon Apr 2 15:24:19 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (J.M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer programming In-Reply-To: <178254861281.20010402094645@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104021418040.8454-100000@ux12.cso.uiuc.edu> I agree with Dan. One large public library which shall remain nameless has no qualms about paying marketing people of a younger age *very* good money but balks seriously at the salaries expected by techie types -- whether they be programmers or librarians. Part of the problem is how libraries have traditionally dealt with technology, period. The CS folks were never considered a *real* part of the library, and administrators never saw technical applications as real librarianship, so the strategy was always to get away as cheaply as possible. Joyce On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Dan Lester wrote: > > Sunday, April 01, 2001, 1:38:02 PM, you wrote: > > LBA> I agree with you when you say ".. the next steps in delivering libraries > LBA> thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To > LBA> accomplish these steps, we > LBA> need programmers..." The problem is the pay programmers can command is way > LBA> out of line with what libraries are able to pay. My observation has been > LBA> that library salaries for technical staff are easily 1/3 less than what > LBA> those folks can earn in the business world. > > The problem isn't what libraries are able to pay, it is what they're > willing to pay. Money can be found if it is a high enough priority. > However, most library administrators aren't happy when they have to pay > "a mere techie" more than they make themselves, particularly if that > techie is half the age of the administrator. So, they try to make do > with librarians posing as techies or programmers, or student help > (which may be quite good, but also quite temporary). The other part > of the problem is that most libraries don't need to have a full time > "programmer" or "software engineer" or whatever, and most of those > people don't want to spend half of their lives doing boring stuff like > installing PCs and holding users' hands. > > cheers > > dan > > > > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com > > From TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu Mon Apr 2 15:23:23 2001 From: TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu (Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: digital library consortia update Message-ID: <C1B90D1E2322D411A36800A0C9E11AF31BAC7D@mail.ccsu.edu> Many kind readers provided me with information concerning statewide database offerings. To date I have learned of twenty states with public access to various databases. I also heard from Canada and Australia regarding their initiatives toward such resources. When possible, I will try to create a page to the links for each state and inform the list! Thanks again, Nick Tomaiuolo Central Connecticut State University Library Readers responded affirmatively from these states: Alabama Connecticut Georgia Idaho Indiana Kentucky Maine Maryland Michigan Minnesota Mississippi New York North Carolina Ohio Pennsylvania South Carolina Texas Utah Virginia Wisconsin From KevilL at missouri.edu Mon Apr 2 16:20:02 2001 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer progr amming Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE037FF1C5@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> Good points, Dan, as usual. There is always money available for what the administration wants. And, yes, many technical people do not like user contact. But there are some who do, and our library policies cut them out. Just this morning my library had a meeting in which the question of the professional degree required for hiring was discussed. Basically if you do not have an ALA-accredited library master's degree, you cannot be hired as a librarian. Exceptions are for foreign library and information studies degrees only. Graduates of Berkeley's former library school will have to have their degrees approved on an exceptional basis. People with Master's degrees in MIS or IT or CS, no matter their libreary experience, need not apply. IMHO this kind of exclusionary credentialism does libraries no good. Nor does it do any good to hire technical people into a secondary (and necessarily inferior) job classification hierarchy. Technical people need to be considered librarians just like anyone else. The work they do is very important and their career paths need to be as open as everyone else's. Libraries appear to be clinging to an outmoded definition of what a librarian is and does. Is there any reason a technical person with good library experience should never be considered to become Head of Technical Services or even to give bibliographic instruction? Hunter L. Hunter Kevil Collection Development Librarian 176 Elmer Ellis Library University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 voice 573-882-6034 facsimile -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lester [mailto:dan@riverofdata.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: outsourcing/consultants for library computer programming Sunday, April 01, 2001, 1:38:02 PM, you wrote: LBA> I agree with you when you say ".. the next steps in delivering libraries LBA> thorugh the web have to do with integrating and customizing systems. To LBA> accomplish these steps, we LBA> need programmers..." The problem is the pay programmers can command is way LBA> out of line with what libraries are able to pay. My observation has been LBA> that library salaries for technical staff are easily 1/3 less than what LBA> those folks can earn in the business world. The problem isn't what libraries are able to pay, it is what they're willing to pay. Money can be found if it is a high enough priority. However, most library administrators aren't happy when they have to pay "a mere techie" more than they make themselves, particularly if that techie is half the age of the administrator. So, they try to make do with librarians posing as techies or programmers, or student help (which may be quite good, but also quite temporary). The other part of the problem is that most libraries don't need to have a full time "programmer" or "software engineer" or whatever, and most of those people don't want to spend half of their lives doing boring stuff like installing PCs and holding users' hands. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.postcard.org www.gailndan.com From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Mon Apr 2 16:39:14 2001 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Web sites with good design References: <C1B90D1E2322D411A36800A0C9E11AF31BAC7D@mail.ccsu.edu> Message-ID: <012e01c0bbb4$fae171c0$50acd296@baruch.cuny.edu> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001, "Heather Samuels" wrote: > I'm in the process of revamping our library's Web site. I'd like to get > some good ideas for design and layout. I'm particularly interested in > academic libraries. Is there a list of top sites or can anyone recommend > some sites to me? Thanks. Heather, Why not start off with the list of Academic Libraries from Yahoo? It's part of their reference section and contains something like 430 links last time I checked. While not a list of "Top Ten", it does give you enough meat to begin forming an idea of what might be right for your institution. An even larger list can be found at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Libweb/. LEO --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Robert Klein Library Web Coordinator home ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://patachon.com office ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ctuckerr at stmarys-ca.edu Mon Apr 2 17:11:12 2001 From: ctuckerr at stmarys-ca.edu (Caleb C Tucker-Raymond) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Electronic White Boards In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10104011536530.28497-100000@pdl.plymouth.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104021401430.1355-100000@galileo.stmarys-ca.edu> The main issue that I've run into with our SmartBoard is that it's not Plug-n-play (unless I'm missing something). Since we don't always use it, the startup software often reads that the SmartBoard is not present. When we do want to use it, we have to run the set-up program. I don't mind doing this, but generally, I'm not the one teaching and unfortunately, this has discouraged its use. We don't have it permanently installed. We have a cart with the PC and projector, and we keep markers on the floor showing where it should go, as well as where the SmartBoard should go. I think it would be useful to use a wireless keyboard and mouse with this setup. Caleb Tucker-Raymond Electronic Systems Librarian Saint Mary's College of California On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Kathy Petlewski wrote: > We will be purchasing an electronic white board to use in our training > room to help with our Internet searching class. I have to submit a > proposal this week and have not been able to find reviews comparing the > Smart Board, Team Board and Ibid. Do any of you own one of these products > and are you satisfied with its performance? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Kathy Petlewski > Electronic Resources Librarian > Plymouth District Library > Plymouth MI 48170 > > From smarvin at wcupa.edu Mon Apr 2 20:18:12 2001 From: smarvin at wcupa.edu (Marvin, Stephen G.) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Position - Science Librarian - FH Green Library Message-ID: <B47C27775351D41197DC00805FEA78A79D4680@mail.wcupa.edu> Reference Librarian / Science Coordinator Announcement Reference Librarian / Science Coordinator West Chester University FH Green Library West Chester, PA 19383 Librarian, Science Reference Reference Librarian / Science Coordinator, West Chester University of Pennsylvania Library to begin August 2001. Tenure-track faculty position, 9 month appointment, additional summer work available. Tenure and promotion involve faculty standards for scholarship, professional growth and service. Duties include general reference work, library instruction, and collection development for sciences and health, and manage CD-ROM stations. Required qualifications: ALA-accredited MLS or its equivalent, familiarity with computerized reference sources and the Internet; excellent communication skills and completion of a successful on-site interview process.. Preferred qualifications: Professional experience in reference work and information literacy instruction; science background; experience with CD-ROM's; 2nd Masters degree. Starting rank: Instructor or Assistant Professor; beginning 9 month salary $36,780 to $47,294, depending on qualifications and experience. West Chester University is located in the historic town of West Chester, Pennsylvania less than an hour from Philadelphia. An equal opportunity, affirmative action employer. Application review begins April 16, 2001; position open until filled. Send letter, resume, and three references to Stephen Marvin, Chair, Science Librarian Search Committee, West Chester University Library, West Chester, PA 19383. From CHHammer at olivet.edu Mon Apr 2 20:17:17 2001 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: Blackboard and portals Message-ID: <sac8d05f.015@webaccess.olivet.edu> Does anyone have a solution for using Blackboard as the portal to the campus intranet where IP recognized library databases reside? If so, how was it done and what is your network configuration? We're thinking this might be a better solution than the VPN access our distance education students are having trouble with. Besides, VPN doesn't work with AOL. Our Blackboard salesman tells us that this is possible with the Level 3 product, not the Level 2 we are buying. Has anyone made this connection with any level of Blackboard? We will be moving our electronic reserves to Blackboard. It would be wonderful to have active, working links to FirstSearch and other IP recognized library databases as well. Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From cchick at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 01:22:32 2001 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 15:15:16 2005 Subject: LLRX.com update for April 2, 2001 Message-ID: <NDBBLLEDGLIJECKMHLFJOEKBCKAA.cchick@earthlink.net> LLRX.com update for April 2, 2001: http://www.llrx.com **Roads Diverge in Knowledge Management: A Tale of Two Law Firms http://www.llrx.com/features/roads.htm Wendy R. 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