From danforth at tiac.net Thu Jul 6 07:08:48 2000 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Book Discussions via web Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20000706070848.0089e960@sunspot.tiac.net> My programming department asked me about providing a means for interactive book discussion via our web page. Our site will be housed on an outside provider's server so we cannot install software on the server side. I know that I can install a form and have a staff person receive input via email and then post, but is there any free or inexpensive software solution that we could use that would permit a moderated book discussion? I was thinking in terms of white boards, guest book, etc. But it does have to be able to be moderated. Thanks for help. Isabel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth danforth@tiac.net Russell Library - Middletown, CT http://www.lioninc.org/russell/ Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Thu Jul 6 08:56:16 2000 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Needing your big brains Message-ID: Ok, I've got a tricky one for you all. I teach a basic Internet class http://reference.camden.lib.nj.us/classes/garwood/navigating using Netscape (sometimes IE) and review all the buttons on the toolbar (Back, Forward, Home, etc.) during the class. I've been trying to figure out a way to show how Stop works. Basically, what I've been thinking is that I would like to make a link on a page that when clicked on takes "forever" to connect to anything, thereby allowing me to show people that the Stop button will stop the "transaction" between the two computers. Anyone know a way of doing this? Is there a better solution I'm not thinking of? Thanks in advance, Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From darryl.johnson at nlc-bnc.ca Thu Jul 6 09:15:54 2000 From: darryl.johnson at nlc-bnc.ca (Johnson Darryl) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains Message-ID: <7F6468E55294D21182D800805F57A3B0AD9CC8@exchange1b1.nlc-bnc.ca> There are also a number of situations where the "Stop" button seems to have no effect. It might be worthwhile to document a few of them so your students don't get the (wrong) idea that the "Stop" button with halt everything dead in its tracks. I am thinking of things like: some scripts seem to keep running even after the Stop button, pop-up windows (various pornographic sites are famous for this sort of thing), etc. I also recall having problems with Refreshing a page after using the Stop button. The 'refreshed' page was truncated at the same point as the original interrupted version, and I had to go back to a previous page and then forward again to get the full page to appear. Some kind of cache issue, it would seem, and perhaps more an IE issue than a Netscape issue.... HTH, -- Darryl Johnson Darryl.Johnson@nlc-bnc.ca National Library of Canada -- No National Library of Canada policies or opinions are knowingly reflected in the above.-- > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Garwood [mailto:sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains > > > Ok, I've got a tricky one for you all. > > I teach a basic Internet class > http://reference.camden.lib.nj.us/classes/garwood/navigating > using Netscape > (sometimes IE) and review all the buttons on the toolbar > (Back, Forward, > Home, etc.) during the class. I've been trying to figure out > a way to show > how Stop works. Basically, what I've been thinking is that I > would like to > make a link on a page that when clicked on takes "forever" to > connect to > anything, thereby allowing me to show people that the Stop > button will stop > the "transaction" between the two computers. > > Anyone know a way of doing this? Is there a better solution > I'm not thinking > of? > > Thanks in advance, > > Steve > > ------------------------------------- > Steve Garwood > Customer Education Librarian > Camden County Library System > 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 > (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 > sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.stevegarwood.com > > "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings > of Leisure > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Jul 6 09:30:46 2000 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains References: Message-ID: <00c801bfe74e$be833b40$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Ok, I've got a tricky one for you all. > > I teach a basic Internet class > http://reference.camden.lib.nj.us/classes/garwood/navigating using Netscape > (sometimes IE) and review all the buttons on the toolbar (Back, Forward, > Home, etc.) during the class. I've been trying to figure out a way to show > how Stop works. Basically, what I've been thinking is that I would like to > make a link on a page that when clicked on takes "forever" to connect to > anything, thereby allowing me to show people that the Stop button will stop > the "transaction" between the two computers. > > Anyone know a way of doing this? Is there a better solution I'm not thinking > of? > > Thanks in advance, > > Steve > [My brain isn't so big, but people tell me it's very dense.] Ye olde 80MB JPEG file is one solution. If you don't want to strain your server so badly, it's pretty trivial to write a CGI script that will take a long time to run (the trick is usually to *prevent* it from taking so long!): #!/usr/bin/ksh echo Content-type: text/html echo echo "Foo

This" sleep 5 echo is sleep 5 echo going sleep 5 echo very sleep 5 echo "slowly

" Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jul 6 09:52:01 2000 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How to learn programming In-Reply-To: <014201bfe6b2$3d68aaa0$e506e883@lib.athabascau.ca> Message-ID: As Darryl Johnson said, use the medium that works best for you. It sounds like the problem you're having may be from reading books that present a lot of information but few exercises. For a beginning programmer, exercises can be crucial because they give you simple programming tasks but you learn the material in a different way when you actually use it as opposed to just reading about it. If your going to use books, look for something with a lot of exercises. Unfortunately, all the Perl books I know don't include exercises so I can't recommend specific ones. Harvey and Paul Deitel write a series of basic "How to Program" books that are highly regarded. You might look at their book "Internet and World Wide Web: How to Program" which also comes in a multimedia kit "Complete Internet and World Wide Web Programming Training Course". For a good book for the beginning programmer that explains a lot of the basic general concepts behind programming and gives more advice on how to learn, I'd recommend "Complete Idiot's Guide to a Career in Computer Programming" by Jesse Liberty. For the "right stuff" also check out Eric Raymond's "How to Become a Hacker FAQ" http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html for a less commercially oriented view than Liberty's of how and what to learn. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Cory Stier Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 2:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] How to learn programming In recent months, it's become more and more apparent to me that the ability to program using Perl and other scripting languages will be of benefit to me. It's also an area I'm interested in learning more about. I've read many different books lately on Perl (including Learning Perl and Programming Perl). I find that I'm able to understand how Perl works, but I run into trouble when I try to apply my understanding of Perl to create a program. I don't have any formal training in programming, so that's a big part of the problem. I am a web designer, so I do have experience with HTML, SQL databases, and ColdFusion, but I would like to add some CGI programming to my list of skills. I would like to hear your opinions regarding the following questions: 1.) What is the best way to learn "how to program"? Classroom instruction? Books? 2.) Can anyone recommend a good book on "how to program" for the complete beginner? 3.) Any other advice for a beginner who's interested in learning how to program? Thanks in advance for your advice! Cory Stier Electronic Resources Librarian Athabasca University Library 1 University Drive Athabasca, Alberta, Canada T9S 3A3 Phone: (780) 675-6486 Toll-free: (800) 788-9041 ext. 6486 In Calgary: 263-6465 ext. 6486 In Edmonton: 421-8700 ext. 6486 Fax: (780) 675-6477 E-mail: corys@athabascau.ca From eric at openly.com Thu Jul 6 09:57:01 2000 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: dedicated digital library clients. NOT. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: New protocols and clients etc are constantly being invented, deployed, used, discarded and obsoleted. Based on the evidence, I suspect that the mass demand for another digital library focused client just isn't there. There are Z39.50 clients which are useful but not wildly popular. A year ago, "The Brain" had a lot of hype behind it; that seems to have cooled. The current trend is browser companions such as those from Alexa, Autonomy, Flyswat, Nano, Navilinks and my current favorite, DeepLeap. These are well suited as information clients, but of course they focus on e-commerce stuff. I say "another digital library client" because modern web browsers are wildly successful digital library clients. Eric At 10:03 PM -0700 7/3/00, Roy Tennant wrote: >I find the Napster phenomenon fascinating, but, I'm afraid, for very >different reasons than most of the press corps. For one, I find it >gratifying to discover what I've suspected all along is actually >true -- that is, there *is* room for another protocol if one has a >compelling service. That is, people *are* willing to download a >special client that only speaks "napsterese" (or whatever), and use >it for a specific task. > >This proves my point for developing a dedicated digital library >client. Why not? Instead of being set up to search for sound files >alone, this one will sign on to special directory servers (national >libraries, are you listening?) to be able to transparently search >digital libraries for content (books, journal articles, movies, >sound files, you name it) using a much, much richer set of metadata >than whatever dreck Joe Schmoe decides to note about the sound file >he just ripped off. > >Oh, and another thing. Instead of logging on and getting lord knows >what because the individuals who make up the napster "network" may >or may not be logged on at the moment (some still using 14.4 >modems!!), you could actually count on stuff still being there the >next morning. [a digression...has anyone yet determined what the >napster witching hour is? that is, does one see predictable dips and >surges in available content as the planet turns?] > >Daniel Chudnov's "docster" document is a good start on the >professional discussion that I'd like to see, not about the >copyright issue (*of course* libraries can't violate copyright), but >about the potential of this type of technology. That is, how can we >use it for the best benefit of our collective clientele? That's >clearly the question we should be asking. > >You know, I think I've just stumbled on the topic for my next >Digital Libraries column for Library Journal. If you have thoughts >on this, drop me or the list a line. I'd like to hear from you. >Thanks, >Roy Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/ 21st Century Information Infrastructure LinkBaton: Your Links that Learn http://my.linkbaton.com/ From lfd at libri.ucp.pt Thu Jul 6 10:52:30 2000 From: lfd at libri.ucp.pt (Luis Domingues) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can make a page that reloads forever. That won't hurt your server. Just add to any page the following Replace your page.htm with the file and path for that file (which may even be stored locally). Regards, Luis Filipe F. F. Domingues E-Mail: lfd@libri.ucp.pt Biblioteca Universit?ria Jo?o Paulo II Home Page: http://www.libri.ucp.pt/ Universidade Cat?lica Portuguesa Tel: +351 21 7214019 Palma de Cima Fax: +351 21 7214010 1600 Lisboa Portugal -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Steve Garwood Sent: Quinta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2000 13:57 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains Ok, I've got a tricky one for you all. I teach a basic Internet class http://reference.camden.lib.nj.us/classes/garwood/navigating using Netscape (sometimes IE) and review all the buttons on the toolbar (Back, Forward, Home, etc.) during the class. I've been trying to figure out a way to show how Stop works. Basically, what I've been thinking is that I would like to make a link on a page that when clicked on takes "forever" to connect to anything, thereby allowing me to show people that the Stop button will stop the "transaction" between the two computers. Anyone know a way of doing this? Is there a better solution I'm not thinking of? Thanks in advance, Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From plum at ulink.net Thu Jul 6 11:02:31 2000 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Help with JavaScript for AOL References: Message-ID: <002701bfe75b$3686b020$8c378ed1@ycxfssto> Okay, it's all debugged for Netscape (thanks to encouragement from Web4Libbers), but the AOL seems to choke on the open() method, specifically, the error message says "unspecified error" on character 1 of the line which begins"result2.document.open()" Var = result2 etc. is defined in the previous line. My boss seems to think there is an alternative for the window.open() method, but does not recall. Any suggestions are welcome. I do not have AOL here. One of the quizes is: http://www.ulink.net/plum/Various/TeenQuizStr.htm Thank you. P.S. I tried posting this yesterday from behind a firewall, but either it didn't go through, or the responses got filtered out. Sorry for any duplication. From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Jul 6 11:12:28 2000 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Copy links from a web document and paste ONLY the URL's into Excel? References: <396395BF.8ACFC977@dudley.lib.usf.edu> Message-ID: <3964A1DC.C4E3F5BE@am.appstate.edu> This might help you generate html pages in a form that you could extract the info you need with scripts. I haven't looked at this software myself yet. I've downloaded it a few days ago and am just now getting a chance to read the full description. It is open source which may be of some value for others to investigate its possibilities. Thomas ----------------------------------- Index Generator 2.2 Copyright Mark Howard 1999-2000 HTTP://www.idgen.org questions@idgen.org Run setup.exe for a full installshield installation program. This is free open source software, no limitations on distribution The Index Generator will quickly and easily create HTML documents indexing other files. This index can be a sitemap, with file titles and descriptions extracted from the files which were analysed for the index; an A-Z index of all the HTML files and tags with ID attributes; a list of all the links present in a set of document, which can be fitered down to just absolute links, or even just email links; a list of all the files in a directory. The file types can be filtered to go through the drag and drop interface and all file titles will be remembered. All settings can be saved in project files and indexes are highly customiseable. Developers: This is an open source project. Anybody and everybody can help out. Currently, help is needed with: - Help documentation - website - Cross-browser compatible DHTML - Advertising banners - Graphics - Theme development Please email development@idgen.org if you can help --------------------------------------- Marshall Reeves wrote: > > Hello: > > Is there anyone out there who knows of a simple way to copy a link (or a > column of links) from a web document, and then paste only the URL of the > link/links into Excel? Or alternatively, paste the whole link into Excel > (url plus label), and then somehow "strip" the labels off so that only the > URL is displaying? Excel will let you paste links, and it recognizes them as > such, meaning the URL text gets in there, but I just can't get it to display > in a separate column from the label. I need this because I generate pages > from a PERL script that inputs data in a delimited text file (dumped from > the Excel spreadsheet). One of the fields is the journal title, and another > is the URL. > > For instance, suppose you were at a web page listing the titles that a > publisher includes in a database. The publisher is nice enough to list all > the journals by title, and make each entry a link. This is fine for > copying/pasting a title list in Excel, but it offers no way of getting the > URL's for each title into the spreadsheet, without a lot of manipulation. > I'm sure it can be done with VB or PERL or something, but one would think > there would be a simple way in Excel to "PASTE/URL" or reformat a column to > display the URL rather than the link label...this would be a natural under > the "PASTE SPECIAL" menu option, but it's not there. Anyone got any ideas? > > thanks, > Mars > > Marshall L. Reeves, Computer Applications Coordinator > University of South Florida Virtual Library Project > PH: (813)974-8599 FX: (813)974-5153 > Virtual Library homepage: http://www.lib.usf.edu/virtual/ > My homepage: http://www.lib.usf.edu/~mreeves/ > > "We are alone, with no excuses." -- Sartre > -- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/webmaster/ Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From jkuntz at rcls.org Thu Jul 6 11:24:50 2000 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] dedicated digital library clients. NOT. References: Message-ID: <004801bfe75e$53dd0900$0d9882d1@rcls.org> ...but unlike the web or Z39.50, napster looks like it indexes files on connected servers on the fly, which is a very intriguing feature to think about for library applications. No waiting weeks or months for search engines to crawl sites. No need to configure servers to target (Z39.40). No 404s or domain server not found messages. Admittedly the indexing is appalling; and exactly what subsets of servers is indexed is a mystery; and the intervals of the reindexing--which seems continual--is unknown. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Hellman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] dedicated digital library clients. NOT. > New protocols and clients etc are constantly being invented, > deployed, used, discarded and obsoleted. > > Based on the evidence, I suspect that the mass demand for another > digital library focused client just isn't there. There are Z39.50 > clients which are useful but not wildly popular. A year ago, "The > Brain" had a lot of hype behind it; that seems to have cooled. The > current trend is browser companions such as those from Alexa, > Autonomy, Flyswat, Nano, Navilinks and my current favorite, DeepLeap. > These are well suited as information clients, but of course they > focus on e-commerce stuff. > > I say "another digital library client" because modern web browsers > are wildly successful digital library clients. > > Eric From swestman at mai105as1.lib.ohio-state.edu Thu Jul 6 11:28:57 2000 From: swestman at mai105as1.lib.ohio-state.edu (swestman@mai105as1.lib.ohio-state.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200007061528.LAA03147@mai105as1.lib.ohio-state.edu> Now that the "frontier days" of library web site creation have passed, many libraries are redesigning the web site that has become an integral part of their service mission. Library web site designers are faced with many issues: effectively serving library users who are more sophisticated and have higher expectations, as well as those who have had limited exposure to the Internet; creating a gateway to electronic resources; providing user instruction; complying with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) that requires libraries to provide equal access for patrons to electronic resources as well as to physical collections and equipment. Please join the Internet Resources Interest Group of LITA as we explore these issues as part of our 2000 Annual Program, "Library Web Sites: The Next Generation" on Monday, July 10, 2000 from 9:30 am-12:00 noon in MCC (McCormick Place) S104 where a panel of six experts will discuss designing and maintaining effective, usable, and accessible library Web sites: Stu Baker (Northwestern University) - "Rethinking and Reworking the Web at Northwestern University Library" Carol Casey (University of Southwestern Louisiana) will discuss web site accessibility issues Angi Faiks and Martha Walker (both from Cornell University) - "Creating an Online Help System in a Gateway Environment" Helene Blowers (Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County) - "Extending Traditional Library Roles on the WWW" Susan McMullen (Roger Williams University Library) - "Redesigning Library Web Pages for Usability" After the program, the Interest Group will be having its business meeting. During that meeting we will be discussing our 2001 program, which is tentatively entitled "Messages in Many Bottles: Cooperative Collection Development of Web Resources". We look forward to seeing you there! Stephen R. Westman Digital Resources Systems Administrator Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Avenue Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 (614) 688-0142 westman.2@osu.edu From sarat at fnal.gov Thu Jul 6 11:52:08 2000 From: sarat at fnal.gov (Sara Tompson) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Results of digital services questions. THANKS! Message-ID: <009c01bfe762$24492d50$a01ee183@fnal.gov> Dear colleagues: Below is an analysis of the responses my colleague Elizabeth Eastwood and I received in response to our queries about how digital services are impacting the provision of other services, and general operations. THANK YOU for all of your thoughtful responses! **Please note that this data in being incorporated in part (anonymously, no respondents quoted directly) into our "Digital Libraries" chapter, contracted for the 8th edition of the ASLIB _Handbook of Special Librarianship and Information Work_, so it should not be extracted without our permission, and preferably not until we can give you a citation. Thank you!! Sara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Employer information listed for identification only. My views are my own. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sara Tompson, M.S. Library Administrator Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory PO Box 500, MS 109 Batavia, IL 60510 USA 630/840-6014 sarat@fnal.gov http://www-lib.fnal.gov/library/sara.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Impact of Digital Library Services on Other Services: Results of an Informal Survey by Elizabeth J. Eastwood and Sara R. Tompson There is not much in the literature about how implementing digital library services, to any degree, affects other areas of library service (as validated by several respondents). Accordingly, we queried colleagues on this topic via a set of questions posted to six (6) e-mail discussion lists: * DigLibn * e-collections * lis-elib * lis-medical * MEDLIB-l * SLA-Illinois * Web4Lib The lists were chosen for both their diverse originations (some are UK-based, some USA-based; all have participants from all over the globe) and for the likelihood that the list members worked in special libraries with a hybrid of print and digital resources. A total of 89 responses were received. Note that not all respondents answered all questions, and many chose more than one answer, especially for the areas question, where this was expected. Did the acquisition and provision of digital resources affect acquisition and provision of your other resources and services? _Yes, a great deal. ? 29 responses _Yes, somewhat. -- 52 _No, not at all. -- 7 General comments: In what areas (check all that are relevant) did the acquisition and provision of digital resources affect your library operation? _Funding/Budgeting -- 79 _Staff time available -- 67 _Staff training focus -- 76 _User contact time -- 60 _Other Please note: ? 28 ? folded in to comments Any additional comments? ? discussed below The majority of the respondents (~58% ) found that acquisition and provision of digital resources within their libraries or information centres had somewhat of an impact on their acquisition and provision of traditional, print resources. The greatest impact was felt in the area of funding and budgeting (~88%), followed closely by staff training focus (~85%). Respondents interpreted this point in one of two ways, or sometimes both: training required for staff to be able to use, and to help others to use, digital resources, and/or the larger training responsibility required of library staff with the implementation of digital resources. About 75% of the respondents reported that staff time available had changed with the addition of digital resources. Most often the comments indicated that staff responsibilities have changed and/or been increased. About 67% of the respondents noted that user contact time had changed with the addition of digital resources. Most often, as indicated in the comments, staff was spending MORE time with users than before. The complete set of comments to the survey is available by request to the authors. Following is an analysis of the comments. The majority of the comments did not shed any new light on the ways in which acquisition and delivery of digital library services is affecting traditional, print resources, but the responses did further support all of the issues covered in recent literature, from pricing to changing staff responsibilities to the greater-than-ever need for human facilitators in special libraries and information centres. For many of the respondents, digital resources were replacing print resources -- either electronic counterparts, or similar resources, were being purchased online (mostly) or on CD-ROM (a trend that seems to be fading) and the print version was being dropped. This was most often due to budget constraints; some respondents explicitly noted they would like to keep both print and electronic, but could not afford to do so. New sources of funding are being used, or sought, by many librarians providing both print and electronic resources. Some of the large digital library initiatives on both sides of the Atlantic have afforded libraries access to more digital resources than they could normally have purchased with their budgets ? most initiatives include special pricing and/or outright grants. Many respondents noted that their parent organisations are not funding, or able to fund, all the digital resources they and their users would like. So they are turning toward initiatives, grants, and alternative funding resources, often successfully. However there is concern that the organisations must recognize and properly fund this need if hybrid, let alone digital, libraries are to thrive. Most of the respondents who added comments noted the cost of digital resources as being much more per item than most print resources. Some also noted that two hallmarks of digital resources, the quick turnaround, and direct end-user access, were so appreciated by users that the costs were worth it. Many of those who commented noted that the acquisition of print resources had slowed (to the dismay of some) with the acquisition of digital resources. Many libraries are cutting book budgets in particular to pay for digital resources. Some saw this as an inevitable and acceptable trend, some were unhappy about it. Several noted that circulation of print materials was declining. (The authors have found this to be true in their libraries as well.) A number of respondents noted that they and/or their staff are now training users more than ever. As many authors in the information science literature have noted, trainer is a new niche for special librarians, expanded by the use of digital resources. Training users requires training of staff, first. Some respondents explicitly noted that staff seems to enjoy this role. Another changing role for special librarians and information professionals with the addition of digital resources is that of detailed research. Digital resources often provide direct access to end-users, so they are doing much of their initial research themselves. However, they come to library staff with very difficult research questions, that take more time to answer. This can be an enjoyable challenge, as some noted, but it does require deeper training of staff. Also, in-depth knowledge of the topic matter can be a big plus; acquiring this could involve extra coursework. A number of those who commented noted that digital resources have created totally new roles in libraries and information centres, the two most mentioned being web master and electronic licensor. Many respondents noted that they and their staff spend a great deal of time troubleshooting equipment problems ? especially problems with printers, but also workstation and network issues. This hardware focus is rather new for the library profession. Librarians commented that they are pleased to be able to offer resources to users? desktops, and especially to remote users in other parts of the organisation, and even the world. This service is welcomed by users. It does however create challenges for library staff, helping people that they do not see face to face. This is an area where training and promotional materials are consequently very important, as several noted. Most commentors noted that their users delight in digital resources, especially the desktop access and the fast turnaround, true both when they and when library staff are using the digital resource. One person did note that perhaps librarians are more enamored of digital resources than users are, but this was definitely a minority opinion. One interesting trend noted in two comments was that users were requesting more interlibrary loans than ever before, as they were aware of other organisation?s holdings thanks to some digital resources and catalogues. Several respondents noted the plus of space saving, shelf room gained by utilizing digital resources rather than print. Some of the trends less mentioned in the literature, but noted by our respondents, are listed below. These relate to newer trends in digital resources. * Privatisation of library funding and/or services, even when the library is part of a public institution * New ways of doing business ? new models for provision of service, especially collaborative approaches with other organisations * The advent of one huge digital library for the planet (a concept that was more frequently mentioned in digital library literature earlier in the 1990?s). * Librarians not being the sole decision-makers about library resources ? other departments are funding and have input, other organisations are often involved, especially in consortia, and users themselves, especially faculty in higher education settings. From bdavidso at comp.uark.edu Thu Jul 6 11:53:38 2000 From: bdavidso at comp.uark.edu (Bryan H. Davidson) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: affiliate programs and library web sites Message-ID: <006b01bfe762$59e319d0$3999b882@MULN> I don't know how this will fly, but here it goes: Currently on our library home page (http://dante.uark.edu) we provide a list of several search engines, as well as a search box that allows users to perform a google search directly. I always thought of this as no more than an extra convenience, and since google seems to be one of the search engines of choice among librarians here, all the better. What we have considered proposing to our director is that we sign up for google's affiliate program, which pays .03 cents per search performed from our site. The search box is similar to what I've already got in place, with the added addition of a small google logo. Since we provide free printing, we have discussed this a possible means of recouping some of our printing/paper cost. I would like to know what the group thinks about this. Is this a viable alternative source of revenue, or a major code of ethics violation? Have other libraries done something similar? Thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bryan H. Davidson Electronic Products Librarian / Webmaster University of Arkansas Libraries, Fayetteville Ph. 501-575-4665 From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Thu Jul 6 12:17:32 2000 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] affiliate programs and library web sites In-Reply-To: <006b01bfe762$59e319d0$3999b882@MULN> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Bryan H. Davidson wrote: >What we have considered proposing to our director is that we sign up for >google's affiliate program, which pays .03 cents per search performed from >our site. The search box is similar to what I've already got in place, with >the added addition of a small google logo. I have applied to speak about this topic at the next "Internet Librarian". I run paying search engines on my commercial sites and it can be quite profitable. I guess my question would be, do you generate enough traffic to make it worthwhile? Also, Google is fine, but if you want to make a bit more cash use some of other search services. I will have a list of them shortly. From Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU Thu Jul 6 12:21:26 2000 From: Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU (Karen V. Odato) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Att'n: NEW ENGLAND LIBRARIANS Message-ID: <38018986@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> LAST CALL FOR PRESENTERS - DEADLINE EXTENDED!! Cross posted. Please excuse the duplication. Please consider presenting at Dartmouth Biomedical Libraries' fourth annual October Conference for New England Librarians! The topic this year is "Creative Marketing Projects: Promoting Library Resources and Services." Scheduled for Thursday, October 12, 2000, this day-long event will be held at Dartmouth College in lovely Hanover, New Hampshire (an easy two-hour drive from Boston, Springfield, and many other New England locations). Kathy Miller, editor of the "Marketing Library Services" newsletter and the journal "Computers in Libraries", both published by Information Today, Inc., will be the keynote speaker. She will frame the issues of promoting library resources and services and outline some solutions. We're seeking additional speakers. Have you developed a successful project to attract users to your library or to connect them to your resources and services? Would you like to share your experience with your colleagues? If you would like to give an informal presentation lasting between 15-20 minutes (plus question/discussion time), please contact one of us (by telephone or email) by July 17 - the sooner the better. (You don't have to have your presentation finished by then; you just need to be able to describe your presentation to us.) Publicity flyers, registration forms, etc. will be distributed once the program is finalized. We have had between 60 and 80 participants at each of our three previous conferences: "Creative Web-Based Library Education Projects: Distance Learning and Bibliographic Instruction" (1997), "Reserve Readings and Other Course Enhancements on the Web: Let the Library Lead!" (1998), and "Electronic Journals: Pragmatic Solutions for User Access" (1999). (See http://www.dartmouth.edu/~biomed/services.htmld/#conferences.) We expect similar attendance this year. We hope to hear from you soon. Karen Odato karen.odato@dartmouth.edu 603-650-8562 Norma Pellerin norma.pellerin@dartmouth.edu 603-650-1683 From jschult at elmira.edu Thu Jul 6 13:39:58 2000 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Needing your big brains References: Message-ID: <3964C46E.3298384B@elmira.edu> Here's a site you can use that can teach a lot about the Web: http://www.computingcentral.msn.com/topics/bandwidth/speedtest.asp This bandwidth test sends a large file back and forth from their site to your computer and tries to estimate your bandwidth speed. It is a fun toy and could help them understand how complex page loading can be, and how pressing stop sometimes does exactly what you want and sometimes bolluxes things up. --Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu Steve Garwood wrote: > Ok, I've got a tricky one for you all. > > I teach a basic Internet class > http://reference.camden.lib.nj.us/classes/garwood/navigating using Netscape > (sometimes IE) and review all the buttons on the toolbar (Back, Forward, > Home, etc.) during the class. I've been trying to figure out a way to show > how Stop works. Basically, what I've been thinking is that I would like to > make a link on a page that when clicked on takes "forever" to connect to > anything, thereby allowing me to show people that the Stop button will stop > the "transaction" between the two computers. > > Anyone know a way of doing this? Is there a better solution I'm not thinking > of? > > Thanks in advance, > > Steve > > ------------------------------------- > Steve Garwood > Customer Education Librarian > Camden County Library System > 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 > (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 > sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.stevegarwood.com > > "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure -- - From techman at omni.cc.purdue.edu Thu Jul 6 13:56:59 2000 From: techman at omni.cc.purdue.edu (d scott brandt) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Call: Internet Librarian International 2001, London (fwd) Message-ID: Please excuse any cross posting... Internet Librarian International 2001 Incorporating Libtech and co-located with the London International Book Fair Olympia, London 26-28 March 2001 Call for Speakers Information Today Inc., a key provider of technology conferences for more than twenty years with the National Online Meeting and Computers in Libraries, is pleased to announce the 3rd annual Internet Librarian International ­ the ONLY international conference for information professionals who are using, developing, and embracing the Internet and World Wide Web, in their roles as information navigators, webmasters and web managers, content evaluators, intranet strategists, portal creators, product developers, searchers, educators, and more. As the premier tools for library and information managers, systems librarians and researchers, Internet and related technologies are the focus of this conference. The conference provides an active forum for our excellent speakers to explore with the attendees the many and exciting range of issues and challenges facing information professionals today. Internet Librarian International 2001 caters to all interests and all levels of knowledge with three simultaneous tracks plus many workshop and networking opportunities as well as access to the London International Book Fair Exhibition. Tracks and themes for this year’s conference will encompass: Managing Content, Web Tools & Applications, Internet & Intranet Resources, Managing Knowledge Assets, Distance Education, Case Studies of Internet and Intranet Librarians, Web Management, Digital Libraries & Virtual Services, Streaming Multimedia, Integrating Library Systems & the Net, Web Design and Usability, and more. Speakers are knowledgeable, authoritative and focus on practical applications and case studies as well as technical and managerial issues. Please consider sending us a proposal to speak. Below are some of the topics we hope to cover, but don’t let this list limit your imagination! We look forward to hearing from you. Intranet case studies Developing Internet skills Digitizing collections Managing desktop access Enterprise portals Online buying strategies Cool Web tools: Java, XML, HTML Acquiring & managing content Web page & site design Integrating images, text & sound Traditional vs. web-based suppliers Information pricing strategies Delivering services virtually Digital library case studies Integrating Curriculum & the Net Interfaces & screen design Search engine tools & tips Electronic commerce Licensing & negotiating for content Document & image management Knowledge management Copyright in the Eworld Personalising web sites Information visualization Publishing on the web Managing electronic resources Internet delivery channels Future Net/Web strategies Streamlining electronic document delivery Capturing & delivering multimedia Filtering & intelligent agents Distance learning technologies Developing & maintaining web sites Digital archiving Electronic / digital books Library systems & automation Creating & supporting virtual communities Security & authentication Multimedia & image delivery Net technology planning Competitive/business intelligence Health & science web resources Tools for evaluating web resources Lessons learned Protecting & Using Intellectual property New retrieval tools Migrating databases to the Web Collaborating with IT Web developer tools & techniques Retooling budgets for the Eworld Usability testing for web sites Mining for Quality Information Web policies & strategies Designing for the visually impaired Grey literature & the web Reference Services on the web Program Chairs Jane I. Dysart, Dysart & Jones Associates David I. Raitt, The Netherlands Advisory Committee Mary Auckland, The London Institute, UK Daan Boom, KPMG, Netherlands Catherine Edwards, University of Northumbria (eLib), UK Christian Hasiewicz, Bertelsmann Foundation, Germany Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir, NORDINFO, Finland William Hann, Free Pint, UK Cynthia Hill, Sun Microsystems, US Bruce Hubbard, Hubbard Information Service, Denmark If you would like to participate in Internet Librarian International 2001 as a speaker, or workshop leader please contact the Program Chairs at the email/fax address listed below as soon as possible (by 14 August 1999 at the very latest). Please include the following brief details of your proposed presentation: title, subject, scope, abstract, a few sentences of biographical information, and full contact information (title, address, email, phone & fax). Abstracts will be reviewed by the Advisory Committee and notification regarding acceptance will be made by October. If you would like to offer a half day pre-or post-conference workshop or seminar, please send the details of your proposed presentation to the co-chairs. Jane I. Dysart David Raitt Dysart & Jones Associates draitt@raitt.demon.nl jane@dysartjones.com or fax: +31 71 515 2712 dysart@inforamp.net phone: 416/484-6129 fax: 416/484-7063 To receive the provisional programme brochure or exhibitor information, please contact: Rubicon Communications Limited Oxford Centre for Innovation Mill Street Oxford OX2 0JX UK www.internet-librarian.com phone: +44 (0) 1865 811145 fax: +44 (0) 1865 204950 email: info@rubicon-communications.com Information Today Inc. 143 Old Marlton Pike, Medford, NJ 08055 phone: 609/654-6266 fax: 609/654-4309 email: custserv@infotoday.com Web site: http://www.infotoday.com From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Thu Jul 6 14:04:38 2000 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: God I love techies Message-ID: I tell ya, post a message in the morning, get 20 responses by lunch. Thanks all for the help on "teaching the stop button". I think I'll be working with a couple of different solutions (one for NN, one for IE). Thank you all very much for the quick feedback. Steve ps - thanks also to those who wrote expressing their enjoyment of the tutorial ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From rmiller at fvrl.org Thu Jul 6 14:27:58 2000 From: rmiller at fvrl.org (Rod Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Job - Library Web Developer Message-ID: FORT VANCOUVER REGIONAL LIBRARY JOB OPENING ANNOUNCEMENT POSITION CLASS: LIBRARY WEB DEVELOPER DEPARTMENT: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY JOB TITLE: LIBRARY WEB DEVELOPER FTE: 100% SALARY: $36,864-$46,032 +Excellent Benefits DATE OF POSTING: 7/3/00 APPLICATION DEADLINE: Until filled This is a one-year temporary project position HOURS: M-F 8:00am-5:00pm - Flexible JOB DESCRIPTION Create innovative information technology services and resources through the design or redesign of the Library District's web presence in accordance with the Library's Mission, budget, policies and procedures. Duties include but are not limited to: Planning Web Site * Clarify objectives, assess resource needs, plan implementation * Work closely with library staff and committee in overall redesign of library web site Designing - Redesigning Web Site * Interface and graphic design, software applications for production, project desired image, interactive publishing for the web (e.g., ColdFusion HomeSite, Adobe Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, et al.) * Perform data conversion of files to standards and platform independent formats for web publishing (i.e., Acrobat, HTML, text). * Standardize navigational components, while maintaining cross-platform and cross-browser compatibility. Web Site Technologies * HTML, Javascript, CGI, database connectivity, site management tools, server options and security (Windows NT and Unix) Managing Web Site * Coordinate, revise, maintain and update the library homepages, edit and proof text for intranet and internet web sites * Publicize and attract new visitors, gather and analyze data, develop update processes, anticipate future needs * Create or assist library employees in the development of departmental, branch library, or subject specific subjects home pages * Provide appropriate and up-to-date links between the main library homepage and other departmental web pages * Streamline web content development process to improve speed, frequency and quality of updates Training & Support * Provide training and consultative support to IT staff or other library employees for content and development tools (e.g., ColdFusion HomeSite, Microsoft FrontPage, etc.) * Provide technical support in the use of HTML Establish and maintain cooperative working relationships with those contacted in the course of work. Perform related duties and responsibilities as assigned. QUALIFICATIONS and EXPERIENCE: Candidates should demonstrate a basic foundation of knowledge and skills in technical website development with related application program packages. Skills would normally be obtained through a bachelor's degree in computer science, information systems, educational technology, communications, or related fields, or similar certified coursework or through relevant on-the-job experience. Foundation knowledge and skills for the Library Web Developer may include a working knowledge of common software application packages, specific programming languages, equipment platforms, reference database systems and sources. The Library Web Developer will also be familiar with basic training methods and demonstrate an understanding of networks, data communication, and multimedia systems. IDEAL CANDIDATE REQUIREMENTS: * Ability to build an effective website using HTML * Ability to create, process and compress images for the web * Ability to integrate the total look and feel of a web site * Both technology and design oriented * Experience working on development and administration teams * Strong desire to continually improve, redesign and re-architect * Ability to meet deadlines and manage tasks in an efficient manner is required * Ability to work in a team as well as complete tasks with minimal supervision is required * Ability to communicate clearly and effectively both orally and in writing * Ability to be flexible and adjust to rapidly changing environment * Ability to establish and maintain cooperative working relationship with those contacted in the course of work MINIMUM EDUCATION: BS/BA degree in appropriate discipline AND/OR 2 yrs. working experience a comparable position. Industry certifications a plus. TO APPLY: >From 7/6/00-7/11/00, ALA Attendees can contact Bruce Ziegman, (312) 944-4100 OR Submit resume and cover letter to: Personnel Department Fort Vancouver Regional Library 1007 E. Mill Plain Blvd. Vancouver, WA 98663 OR by e-mail: to djones@fvrl.org An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer Library website http:/www.fvrl.org Vancouver, WA http://www.vancouverusa.com Online job post http://www.fvrl.org/jobs/ ==================================================================== Rod Miller, IT Manager Fort Vancouver Regional Library 1007 E Mill Plain Blvd Vancouver, WA 98663 FAX 360-693-2681 rmiller@fvrl.lib.wa.us TEL 360-699-8809 From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Thu Jul 6 15:00:36 2000 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: Affiliate Programs Message-ID: Just to sound off on this one. I always wanted to use these to make some money for the library (I hate being totally reliant on the "kindness" of others). The coolest one I found from my research was Lycos' affiliate program http://www.lycos.com/affiliateprogram/ which seems to work with http://affiliate-program.com/ . My thought was always to design a page, have the $$ go to our Library Friends group, and then spend the rest of my time getting people to use the site and watch the money trickle in. Is anyone doing this? - I seem to be getting some "well no one else is doing this..." feedback Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jul 6 15:39:40 2000 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Affiliate Programs References: Message-ID: <3964E07C.AA4BB77A@tln.lib.mi.us> This isn't necessarily an argument against this concept but something to consider - one of the usability gurus [maybe Jakob Nielsen?] advised against providing your web site visitors with the ability to search the web for 2 reasons: 1) It takes visitors away from your site which you don't generally want to encourage - unless you are directing them to information they are seeking that you can not provide. 2) Search engines [generally] do a better job of providing search tools than you can provide through your site so why give your visitors an inferior tool? [although I can see that a very "basic" search like Google can essentially be replicated anywhere] Also, does the placement of the "affiliate" logo or interface become part of the design consideration for a page or site? Will you be tempted to provide it a more prominent location because it might be an income-generator [think banner ads?] Just curious as to how people would approach it in real-life... Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Steve Garwood wrote: > Just to sound off on this one. > > I always wanted to use these to make some money for the library (I hate > being totally reliant on the "kindness" of others). > > The coolest one I found from my research was Lycos' affiliate program > http://www.lycos.com/affiliateprogram/ which seems to work with > http://affiliate-program.com/ . > > My thought was always to design a page, have the $$ go to our Library > Friends group, and then spend the rest of my time getting people to use the > site and watch the money trickle in. > > Is anyone doing this? - I seem to be getting some "well no one else is doing > this..." feedback > > Steve > > ------------------------------------- > Steve Garwood > Customer Education Librarian > Camden County Library System > 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 > (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 > sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.stevegarwood.com > > "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From nelsong at mail.lsc.vsc.edu Thu Jul 6 15:49:24 2000 From: nelsong at mail.lsc.vsc.edu (Garet Nelson) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] affiliate programs and library web sites In-Reply-To: <006b01bfe762$59e319d0$3999b882@MULN> Message-ID: <000101bfe783$490d6590$d2172a9b@lac102it> Part of the answer depends on how many hits your site gets. I'm at a small college library and we did the math to see what the profit would be: Our public services librarian checked it out and based on our web server statistics, our web searching page got looked at 3,232 times last year. If all those people did a search on google through our page, we would earn 3232 x .03 cents = about 97 cents. I'm not sure what those other search engines would pay, but i don't think we get enough traffic make it worth it. -garet- Garet Nelson Director of Library Instructional Technology Samuel Read Hall Library Lyndon State College Lyndonville, Vermont 05851 (802)626-6446 nelsong@mail.lsc.vsc.edu http://www.lsc.vsc.edu/intranet/services/library/ > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Bryan H. Davidson > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 11:52 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] affiliate programs and library web sites > > > I don't know how this will fly, but here it goes: > > Currently on our library home page (http://dante.uark.edu) we > provide a list > of several search engines, as well as a search box that allows users to > perform a google search directly. I always thought of this as no more than > an extra convenience, and since google seems to be one of the > search engines > of choice among librarians here, all the better. > > What we have considered proposing to our director is that we sign up for > google's affiliate program, which pays .03 cents per search performed from > our site. The search box is similar to what I've already got in > place, with > the added addition of a small google logo. > > Since we provide free printing, we have discussed this a possible means of > recouping some of our printing/paper cost. > > I would like to know what the group thinks about this. Is this a viable > alternative source of revenue, or a major code of ethics violation? Have > other libraries done something similar? > > Thanks > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bryan H. Davidson > Electronic Products Librarian / Webmaster > University of Arkansas Libraries, Fayetteville > Ph. 501-575-4665 > From nealej at nylink.suny.edu Thu Jul 6 15:51:45 2000 From: nealej at nylink.suny.edu (Jane Neale) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: affiliate programs and library web sites Message-ID: Actually, it works out to about $97. The original e-mail probably should have said $.03 rather than .03 cents. The Google site lists it as $.03. It's still not a lot of money, though! Jane ___________________________________________________________ Jane C. Neale Information Technology Coordinator Nylink State University Plaza Albany, NY 12246 e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu T (800) 342-3353 F (518) 432-4346 Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network _____________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Garet Nelson [SMTP:nelsong@mail.lsc.vsc.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: affiliate programs and library web sites Part of the answer depends on how many hits your site gets. I'm at a small college library and we did the math to see what the profit would be: Our public services librarian checked it out and based on our web server statistics, our web searching page got looked at 3,232 times last year. If all those people did a search on google through our page, we would earn 3232 x .03 cents = about 97 cents. I'm not sure what those other search engines would pay, but i don't think we get enough traffic make it worth it. -garet- Garet Nelson Director of Library Instructional Technology Samuel Read Hall Library Lyndon State College Lyndonville, Vermont 05851 (802)626-6446 nelsong@mail.lsc.vsc.edu http://www.lsc.vsc.edu/intranet/services/library/ > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Bryan H. Davidson > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 11:52 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] affiliate programs and library web sites > > > I don't know how this will fly, but here it goes: > > Currently on our library home page (http://dante.uark.edu) we > provide a list > of several search engines, as well as a search box that allows users to > perform a google search directly. I always thought of this as no more than > an extra convenience, and since google seems to be one of the > search engines > of choice among librarians here, all the better. > > What we have considered proposing to our director is that we sign up for > google's affiliate program, which pays .03 cents per search performed from > our site. The search box is similar to what I've already got in > place, with > the added addition of a small google logo. > > Since we provide free printing, we have discussed this a possible means of > recouping some of our printing/paper cost. > > I would like to know what the group thinks about this. Is this a viable > alternative source of revenue, or a major code of ethics violation? Have > other libraries done something similar? > > Thanks > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bryan H. Davidson > Electronic Products Librarian / Webmaster > University of Arkansas Libraries, Fayetteville > Ph. 501-575-4665 > From madin at academicinfo.net Thu Jul 6 16:16:10 2000 From: madin at academicinfo.net (Mike Madin) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Affiliate Programs Message-ID: <01BFE74C.9CA43080.madin@academicinfo.net> Andrew and Colleagues, I know Academic Info is a independent Internet directory so there's none of the ethical concerns but to see how we've incorporated affiliate search engines on our site go to http://www.academicinfo.net/search.html . Thanks for reading, Mike Madin Academic Info Seattle http://www.academicinfo.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Mutch [SMTP:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Affiliate Programs This isn't necessarily an argument against this concept but something to consider - one of the usability gurus [maybe Jakob Nielsen?] advised against providing your web site visitors with the ability to search the web for 2 reasons: 1) It takes visitors away from your site which you don't generally want to encourage - unless you are directing them to information they are seeking that you can not provide. 2) Search engines [generally] do a better job of providing search tools than you can provide through your site so why give your visitors an inferior tool? [although I can see that a very "basic" search like Google can essentially be replicated anywhere] Also, does the placement of the "affiliate" logo or interface become part of the design consideration for a page or site? Will you be tempted to provide it a more prominent location because it might be an income-generator [think banner ads?] Just curious as to how people would approach it in real-life... Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Steve Garwood wrote: > Just to sound off on this one. > > I always wanted to use these to make some money for the library (I hate > being totally reliant on the "kindness" of others). > > The coolest one I found from my research was Lycos' affiliate program > http://www.lycos.com/affiliateprogram/ which seems to work with > http://affiliate-program.com/ . > > My thought was always to design a page, have the $$ go to our Library > Friends group, and then spend the rest of my time getting people to use the > site and watch the money trickle in. > > Is anyone doing this? - I seem to be getting some "well no one else is doing > this..." feedback > > Steve > > ------------------------------------- > Steve Garwood > Customer Education Librarian > Camden County Library System > 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 > (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 > sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.camden.lib.nj.us > http://www.stevegarwood.com > > "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Fri Jul 7 01:02:29 2000 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] How to learn programming In-Reply-To: <014201bfe6b2$3d68aaa0$e506e883@lib.athabascau.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Cory Stier wrote: > 1.) What is the best way to learn "how to program"? Hi, Cory. I'm a hacker, not a programmer, so the following plus four bits gets you a cup of coffee. Find anybody around you who programs--folks at your campus computing center, other librarians, IT staff, compsci faculty, whomever--and buy them coffee, lunch, chocolate; whatever it takes. Just so long as they'll answer one question at a time and send you back to thrash at a script again, they'll be doing you a service. Find students who're decent at programming, like computer science majors, and hire them as student assistants. Shamelessly pump them for information and help. Check out local/regional Perl (or PHP or other languages) etc. users groups. Get a relatively cheap and modest sized machine installed behind your campus (and possibly library) firewall, keep it in your office where it's *relatively* safe, install Linux or some flavor of free BSD unix or whatever you have/want/can get on it...and use it as a test server. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From jschult at elmira.edu Fri Jul 7 11:54:30 2000 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: Exploring the Docster concept Message-ID: <3965FD35.69B4EF53@elmira.edu> At the request of Jane Dysart, program coordinator for Computers in Libraries 2001, I am trying to put together a program about the Docster concept, or whatever it has become by that time (March 2001). Please email me with ideas for sessions and speakers! I?ve reviewed the discussions I can find on the web specifically about the Dan?s Docster article, and it seems to be widely misunderstood. The discussion on Web4Lib seems to have a good handle on it and on the issues involved. :-) Here is an attempt to pull together all the buzz about docster and digital/electronic file-sharing models for ILL: Ideas borrowed from Napster: Distributed computing: whoever scans the document, or requests it, keeps it on their server so others don't have to do the work. There would probably be more than one copy of the document, but at much less effort than the current models of creating a new electronic copy for every request. If you keep a copy of the article on the recieving computer available to Docster, that reduces the load on the server you got it from. If an article is requested 10 times, and 7 of those people delete their copies, the other 3 will still be up there so the original server won't have to answer all requests for the article. NOTE: currently there are more paper copies floating around than electronic copies. Ariel is not everywhere. The Docster idea would encourage a move away from paper ILL. Searching: when you're looking for a document, you search all the currently available servers for the article you're looking for. NOTE: several servers could have it up in different file formats. Suppose one library has it in Ariel ftp format, while another has it as a .pdf. The downloader could choose which format they want. Presumably the Docster (or whatever we call it) protocol would have some standard tags for the files. After seeing the success of the sloppy Napster way of doing things, if you have the Article Title and Journal Title or just the Date (3 fields) that you request from the user, that would suffice for most ILL specialists to find the article they want. Okay, we can stick on Author (4 fields total). Authentication: Two possibilities: if only libraries are involved, quality will tend to be high. So if we pull back from the full power of Docster as Dan has envisioned it as involving the end researcher and her/his computer, and just stick to library participants, that removes some of the quality problem. Second possibility: just as on Napster and with conventional ILL, certain servers will be known for their good or bad quality. If someone misspells words in the article title, that copy of the article won't be found, but the next request for the article would probably get it right, and that copy could become the most-used copy (though it might be on several machines). Idea from the library world: Copyright control: The best way I can see to handle this for *library ILL purposes* is for the Docster protocol to send a message for each copy made through the system to a central copyright clearance center (the CCC or a ccc?) noting the identifying information for the article (Article Title, Journal Title, Date, and Author) and the user or institution that is requesting the copy. You need a centralized place to track this for two reasons: a certain amount of ILL of a given article is justified under copyright law, but requesting the same article for 25 patrons probably isn't. A centralized place would know how many copies you requested even though your source for the many copies might be 25 different Docster nodes. Secondly, to aggregate the fees, so that you can pay Cambridge U. Press one chunk, Academic Press another hunk and Elsevier another (huge) chunk ;-) at regularly scheduled intervals instead of paying out in dribs and drabs. An alternative *non-exclusive to libraries* solution would be for each document to have a fifth field designating the copyright holder's information, and sending them a notice whenever the Docster protocol sends that document somewhere. Oof-da. Just the thought of trying to determine the copyright holder's electronic address each time you use the system encourages me to, well, bypass copyright law. It does put the burden of collection on the copyright holder. Any better ideas out there? Where do we go from here? ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Fri Jul 7 12:15:57 2000 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: Internet keeping librarians busy References: Message-ID: <3966023D.C5E88600@cdrewu.edu> They thought the Internet would make libraries, and librarians obsolete...well, think again... http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=900&ern=y&ei=1966777 -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From jlenze at tln.lib.mi.us Fri Jul 7 12:52:12 2000 From: jlenze at tln.lib.mi.us (James B Lenze KC8NNU) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Affiliate Programs In-Reply-To: <3964E07C.AA4BB77A@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Andrew Mutch wrote: > This isn't necessarily an argument against this concept but something to > consider - one of the usability gurus [maybe Jakob Nielsen?] advised against > providing your web site visitors with the ability to search the web for 2 > reasons: > > 1) It takes visitors away from your site which you don't generally want to > encourage - unless you are directing them to information they are seeking that > you can not provide. Our approach is for our web page to be just that -- a pointer to the sources of information to fill patron needs. In-house users are looking either for material in the Library (link to our catalog), magazine articles (link to the AccessMichigan database), or search engines (link to a list of search engines). This of course excludes those users who already know the address of the site(s) they want to visit, but they aren't going to stay at our site long any way. > 2) Search engines [generally] do a better job of providing search tools than > you can provide through your site so why give your visitors an inferior tool? > [although I can see that a very "basic" search like Google can essentially be > replicated anywhere] Good question. But does the Google search (or AltaVista, etc.) search button placed on your web page offer an inferior tool? Doesn't it perform the same search as it would at the Google (Altavista,...) site? > Also, does the placement of the "affiliate" logo or interface become part of > the design consideration for a page or site? Will you be tempted to provide it > a more prominent location because it might be an income-generator [think banner > ads?] This is the crux of the matter for me. I set up a search button for AltaVista next to our list of search engines, just as a starting point for new users. When the prosepect of making money came up, I thought to put it on every page. This could be rationalized as giving the patron a useful tool whenever/wherever they need it. I dropped that idea. Still, if we are going to have a search button on one of our pages, it might as well generate a little income (realizing that it would likely be very little). Mulling it over. -- /\ / /\ \ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __/ / \ \__ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <_<_<_<_<_<_<_<__ < JL > __>_>_>_>_>_>_>_> \ \ / / James B. Lenze \ \/ / KC8NNU TechnoBoss |\/| jlenze@tln.lib.mi.us Garden City Library |\/| v: 734.525.8854 2012 Middlebelt Rd |\/| f: 734.421.6230 Garden City, MI 48135 |\/| \/ From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Fri Jul 7 13:02:36 2000 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Steve Garwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: Trainers list Message-ID: Hello all, Since I got a good bit of comments/questions about the training site I posted yesterday... I though I might post a message here to invite anyone who might be interested to join a list I have for training issues. The list is something I started as I've been teaching "Train the trainer" classes and want a way to keep the communication lines open. Basically, the list has a group of people on it who do public library computer training. It's pretty NJ heavy right now, but I'm hoping for more cross country coverage. It's not a real busy list yet, but I'm hoping for more activity as libraries increasingly add public computer training to their list of services. If interested: http://www.topica.com/lists/publibct/ Sorry to promote my own stuff on the list - thanks to everyone for your patience Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "...Just a lazy cat in a dog-eat-dog world" - Supreme Beings of Leisure From avirr at LanMinds.Com Fri Jul 7 13:28:38 2000 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: looking for healthcare vocabularies In-Reply-To: <3964E07C.AA4BB77A@tln.lib.mi.us> References: <3964E07C.AA4BB77A@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: Friends, For a (commercial) search project, I'm looking for vocabularies, synonym lists, thesauri, etc. on the topic of consumer health care. I'm planning to include common terms for medical specialties (allergists, internists), common diseases and conditions (cancer, pregnancy) and anything else that someone might want to search for. Any suggestions for sources of such vocabulary would be great! Thanks, Avi -- ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site, Intranet and Portal Search Engines: From Bigwood at lpi.usra.edu Fri Jul 7 13:48:48 2000 From: Bigwood at lpi.usra.edu (Bigwood, David) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: URCs Message-ID: Back in the mid 90's there was a lot of discussion about URCs Uniform Resource Characteristics. Since then not much seems to have happened. I know there are some PURL and Handle systems up and running. Are there any UNC systems out there? It would seem to have an advantage since there is some metadata associated with the address which would aid in resource discovery and selection as well as locating resources. Sincerely, David Bigwood bigwood@lpi.usra.edu Lunar & Planetary Institute From pfa at umich.edu Fri Jul 7 14:00:29 2000 From: pfa at umich.edu (P. F. (Pat) Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] looking for healthcare vocabularies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The National Library of Medicine's MedlinePlus project links to a number of these types of resources, and is free. You can find them at: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ Click on "Dictionaries" in the lefthand sidebar. Good luck! Pat Anderson, pfa@umich.edu >Friends, > >For a (commercial) search project, I'm looking for vocabularies, >synonym lists, thesauri, etc. on the topic of consumer health care. > >I'm planning to include common terms for medical specialties >(allergists, internists), common diseases and conditions (cancer, >pregnancy) and anything else that someone might want to search for. > >Any suggestions for sources of such vocabulary would be great! > >Thanks, > >Avi >-- >________________________________________________________________ >Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: >Guide to Site, Intranet and Portal Search Engines: > -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson 734/763-2953, voice Dentistry Library, Univ. Michigan 734/764-4477, fax 1100 Dental Bldg. 1011 North University Ave. WWW: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/ Ann Arbor, Michigan WWW: http://www.lib.umich.edu/libhome/Dentistry.lib/ 48109-1078 "Where a great library exists, college advantages seem to be multiplied, as by the turning of a kaleidoscope." Anonymous. Princeton Review 3(12) 1874:722. From corys at athabascau.ca Fri Jul 7 14:46:20 2000 From: corys at athabascau.ca (Cory Stier) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: Thanks to all for your responses re: How to program Message-ID: <00c101bfe843$a475ce20$e506e883@lib.athabascau.ca> The response to my question about how to get started in programming has been very helpful. Thank you to you all for your advice. It's also nice to know that there are many others out there who are in a similar situation as I am. I received a lot of e-mail requesting a summary of the responses I got, so here's a summary of the responses I've received thus far: ********************************************************** Hi, Cory. I'm a hacker, not a programmer, so the following plus four bits gets you a cup of coffee. Find anybody around you who programs--folks at your campus computing center, other librarians, IT staff, compsci faculty, whomever--and buy them coffee, lunch, chocolate; whatever it takes. Just so long as they'll answer one question at a time and send you back to thrash at a script again, they'll be doing you a service. Find students who're decent at programming, like computer science majors, and hire them as student assistants. Shamelessly pump them for information and help. Check out local/regional Perl (or PHP or other languages) etc. users groups. Get a relatively cheap and modest sized machine installed behind your campus (and possibly library) firewall, keep it in your office where it's *relatively* safe, install Linux or some flavor of free BSD unix or whatever you have/want/can get on it...and use it as a test server. ********************************************************** If you're looking for a really good book that actually has useful examples, try Elizabeth Castro's Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web. The site is http://www.cookwood.com/perl/perl_qanda/ . It's way better than any other 'learning Perl' book I've seen. It focusses on CGI (one of the most useful but not the only useful reasons to use Perl), but it is wonderfully laid out and the explanations are very clear and detailed. ********************************************************** One could start with a book such as Dan Appleman's How Computer Programming Works (ISBN: 1-893115-23-2) published by Apress (www.Apress.com). ********************************************************** Great question! I took a C++ class last year through my university and found it somewhat helpful, but the deadlines of the class assignments while trying to work a 40+ hour position almost did me in! I have the book, CD, and projects, and I plan to have some time this summer to work on it at home. I also want to learn Java, CGI, and Perl because I'm doing the Library's web page design and maintenance. ********************************************************** As Darryl Johnson said, use the medium that works best for you. It sounds like the problem you're having may be from reading books that present a lot of information but few exercises. For a beginning programmer, exercises can be crucial because they give you simple programming tasks but you learn the material in a different way when you actually use it as opposed to just reading about it. If your going to use books, look for something with a lot of exercises. Unfortunately, all the Perl books I know don't include exercises so I can't recommend specific ones. Harvey and Paul Deitel write a series of basic "How to Program" books that are highly regarded. You might look at their book "Internet and World Wide Web: How to Program" which also comes in a multimedia kit "Complete Internet and World Wide Web Programming Training Course". For a good book for the beginning programmer that explains a lot of the basic general concepts behind programming and gives more advice on how to learn, I'd recommend "Complete Idiot's Guide to a Career in Computer Programming" by Jesse Liberty. For the "right stuff" also check out Eric Raymond's "How to Become a Hacker FAQ" http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html for a less commercially oriented view than Liberty's of how and what to learn. ********************************************************** Cory, especially if you intend to focus on Perl (a good choice, IMO), you might want to take a look at: Elements of programming with Perl / Andrew L. Johnson. Greenwich, CT, Manning Publications Co., 1999 I've found it quite useful. The author states, "This book is intended for two types of readers: those approaching Perl as their first programming language and those who may have learned programming off the cuff, but now want a more thorough grounding in general, and Perl in particular." Lurking in the "comp.lang.perl.misc" newsgroup is also very educational (and amusing at times). I'd be at little cautious about posting questions there until you're familiar with the group culture and have a fair grounding in Perl. The folks who "know their stuff" in the group, do not suffer [what they consider] fools gladly. ********************************************************** I am just finishing up a Perl CGI programming class that I took online. There were 12 lessons, some quizzes, numerous assignments, and class discussions. I simply do not have the ability to sit down and read a programming book. Too boring. I prefer hands-on for that kind of thing and thus the class was quite useful for me. You might want to check it out. It was offered through my local community college but is actually taught by a group called Ed2Go (http://www.ed2go.com/) I see they are in Canada; but not in your area....? ********************************************************** The only way to learn programming is to program. Perl is a difficult 1st language because there are always 5 ways to do something, so beginners get stuck. Consider Visual Basic for your first programming language. ********************************************************** I learned basic perl through classroom instruction and from there used the "hey, let's see if I can do this" mode to educate myself--with manuals as a first resource and experts as a last resource. I find that modifying other people's scripts teaches me a lot. I started by modifying and now I write my own. As to "how to" books, O'Reilley's "how to program perl in 21 days" seems good, though I find learning from books difficult until I've had some hands-on training. For hands-on training, I imagine who you pick matters. I used and loved Westlake ( http://www.westlake.com/ )--they have many locations--Detroit might be the most convenient to you. Their emphasis is on applications of technology--so when you learn Perl, you learn by creating actual scripts that work, not just by listening to theory. Their instructors are great and will answer questions for the rest of your life--they hope to get your business back and go out of their way to provide good service. ********************************************************** It sounds like you are in much the same situation as I am. I'm a jack of all trades librarian that never studied programming and now wish I had. I'm the kind of person that would benefit from being in a class, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of options for people to learn programming who aren't first year CS students. I'd be interested in hearing the responses you receive off the list. I recently bought a book that I'm just starting to tackle. It is Elements of Programming with Perl by Andrew L. Johnson, published this year by Manning. The URL is http://www.manning.com/Johnson/index.html. The author positions it as book that teaches both the fundamentals of programming and the specifics of Perl. Since I just started I'm can't give a final recommendation, but it looks useful so far. ********************************************************** It would seem to me that the answer to your question on the best way to learn programming is to evaluate how _you_ learn. Some people are print oriented, some people learn best by doing, some learn by copying examples, etc. Obviously, some guidance will be desirable, but whether that is from books, working examples, or instructors, depends on your personal style. Some people love CBT; others hate it. A lot depends on the abilities and knowledge of the instructor/author as well. So once you decide on the best method, your next need to search for the best example of that method: the best books, the best courses, the best working samples... I don't know what sort of educational options/opportunities you get at Athabaska Univ., or from other sources around your area, but it's worth checking them out carefully before investing your time and money. Quality tends to vary widely! ********************************************************** Cory, I too am not much of a programmer, but have over the years written some useful scripts in C, perl, PHP, expect mainly. I started with BASIC and C which I do no necsssarily recommend, but PERL is not the easiest language to understand. It depends quite a bit on regular expressions. That might be a good place to start. Also PHP is much more structured and easier to work with if it is available on your platform. I usually find that its best to find example programs as a starting point. I find that if you are not a born programmer its difficult to approach a problem from the right angle. A good example is much easier to start from. ********************************************************** I learned Perl on my own, though I'd had a couple classes in C/C++ so it wasn't that unfamiliar. I am by no means an expert but I can do some basic stuff. There used to be a website zdu.com that offered online courses for a monthly fee. I'm sure there is some online instructional stuff you could find for Perl or any other scripting language. I have a copy of "Learning Perl" published by O'Reilly that is a good book to learn from. ********************************************************** I don't know for sure, but many people have recommended the Unix Library book, Teach yourself PERL in 21 Days. Most of the people I know who know PERL have taught themselves, but many of them are also UNIX people. ********************************************************** Cory Stier Electronic Resources Librarian Athabasca University Library 1 University Drive Athabasca, Alberta, Canada T9S 3A3 Phone: (780) 675-6486 Toll-free: (800) 788-9041 ext. 6486 In Calgary: 263-6465 ext. 6486 In Edmonton: 421-8700 ext. 6486 Fax: (780) 675-6477 E-mail: corys@athabascau.ca From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Fri Jul 7 15:04:48 2000 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:46 2005 Subject: TIFF to PDF -- is there an easier way? In-Reply-To: <200007071803.LAA24645@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4.1.20000707145943.00afa410@mail.wittenberg.edu> Hi folks, I've been experimenting with ImageMagick and Prospero to convert TIFF files to PDF for our online reserves system, but both are churning out these enormous files: a 416 K multipage tiff will convert to anywhere from a 9 to 28 MB PDF file. I was expecting the files to be fairly small, that being part of the point! There no call for a several MB pdf is there? In both cases, I'm using the NT version of the most recent releases (I could experiment with the unixy versions, but from an eventual staffing perspective a windows solution would be preferable.) A look through the archive doesn't show much direct discussion of Tiff > PDF conversion, but lots of folks seem to mention if they knew more about it. Help! Thanks, Ken Ken Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From pjy2 at po.cwru.edu Sun Jul 9 18:47:50 2000 From: pjy2 at po.cwru.edu (Peter Yang) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:47 2005 Subject: A new book on Max Frisch, Bertolt Brecht, Thornton Wilder, etc. and the Epic Theater Message-ID: <39690116.F5F5CC7D@po.cwru.edu> Dear librarians and friends of theater: A new book on Max Frisch and his "Chinese Wall" is scheduled to appear in October 2000. The title of the book is "Play is Play: Theatrical Illusion in Max Frisch's Chinese Wall and 'Epic' Plays by Brecht, Wilder, Hazelton, and Li." This book might be of interest to some of you or patrons of your library. Synopsis: This book takes a close look at plays by Max Frisch and other playwrights that critics commonly attribute to the "epic theater." It sheds new light on the aesthetic dynamics of this theater. As one of the closest disciples of Brecht and Wilder, Frisch created in his "Chinese Wall" a play, in which the narrator and other characters supposedly destroy dramatic illusions by means of their appeals to the audience, their distance from other dramatic characters, and their temporal manipulation of dramatic events. This book reexamines classical examples of ?epic? plays to demonstrate that the so-called ?epic? theater goes in fact far beyond being narrative, historical, distancing, and alienating. Just as in plays by other ?epic? dramatists, the dramatic illusion in Frisch's play is far from being eliminated. Rather, it is intensified by an additional, yet different kind of, gripping illusion, a ?theatrical illusion,? or an illusory theatrical ?reality,? which involves the audience to the highest extent and with which the audience can hardly refuse to identify. The book concludes that the success of ?epic? plays results from their characteristics as ?theatrical? plays with modern multidimensional perspectives as opposed to neoclassic ?dramatic? ones with a monolithic perspective. Author: Peter Yang ISBN: 0-7618-1808-1 Publisher: University Press of America Pages: 174 Price: $27.50 (20% discount for any prepublication order, the discounted price is $22) Time of Publication: October 2000 If you or your library would like to order this book, please complete the following order form (Please note: 1. If you pay by check, please make the check payable to: University Press of America 2. 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Fax this order form to (216)561-0836, 1-800-338-4550 or 717-794-3803), or 2. E-mail pjy2@po.cwru.edu, or 3. Mail this completed order form to: Peter Yang Department of Modern Languages and Literatures Case Western Reserve University Guilford House 307 Cleveland, OH 44120 Or University Press of America, Inc. 4720 Boston Way, Lanham, MD 20706, or 4. Order online: http://dmll.cwru.edu/pyang/bookorders.html Sincerely, Peter Yang From Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se Fri Jul 14 04:03:49 2000 From: Traugott.Koch at ub2.lu.se (Traugott.Koch@ub2.lu.se) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: Workshop on Networked Knowledge Organization Systems at ECDL, Call for participation Message-ID: <200007140803.KAA00063@irlib.lub.lu.se> We hereby invite you to participate in our Special Workshop on NETWORKED KNOWLEDGE ORGANIZATION SYSTEMS (NKOS): European initiatives and projects / options for global co-operation 20 September 2000 It is part of: ECDL2000 European Conference on Digital Libraries Lisbon, Portugal, 18 - 20 September 2000 (http://www.bn.pt/org/agenda/ecdl2000/) **Early registration for ECDL 2000 is open until July 17** The workshop is part of the main conference program and does not require any separate registration or payment. The homepage for the NKOS workshop at ECDL is at: http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~lhill/nkos/ECDL-NKOS-final.htm It provides more details and will be regularily updated. Objectives This half-day workshop aims to provide an overview of research, development and projects related to the usage of knowledge organization systems in Internet based services and digital libraries. These systems can comprise thesauri and other controlled lists of keywords, ontologies, classification systems, taxonomies, clustering approaches, dictionaries, lexical databases, concept maps/spaces, semantic road maps etc. A second objective of the workshop is to enable and support co-operation between European initiatives in the area of networked knowledge organization and to provide a basis for participation in global efforts (see below for other NKOS projects) and standardization processes. This workshop will be a chance to reach out to a broader group of people working in the area, to inform each other on on-going research and projects and to start discussions about possible common goals and tasks, including organizational efforts: e.g. setting up a regular event and communication or collaboration with global NKOS activities. Workshop content and structure The half-day workshop spans two conference sessions on September 20. The workshop will start with an introduction and short statements of experience and interests from all participants. The main content of the first session will be presentations from 4 invited panel speakers: OIL: The Ontology Inference Layer Sean Bechhofer, Computer Science Department, University of Manchester, UK http://potato.cs.man.ac.uk/seanb/ Thesaurus Mapping Martin Doerr, Foundation for Research and Technology, Hellas (FORTH), Greece. http://www.ics.forth.gr/ Report on NKOS activities in North America Linda Hill, Alexandria Digital Library Project, University of California at Santa Barbara http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~lhill/nkos/ Having the Right Connections: The Limber Project Ken Miller, Data Archive, University of Essex, UK http://www.cordis.lu/ist/projects/99-11748.htm After lunch, the second workshop session will offer an opportunity for all participants to informally contribute position statements, research topics, project experiences and perspectives, leading into general (or optionally small-group) discussion. The workshop will conclude by considering options for cooperation and future activities. To facilitate participation in the workshop, we encourage all interested participants to email short position statements to any of the workshop organisers. These will be posted on ECDL2000 section of the NKOS website: http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~lhill/nkos/. === Organisers: Martin Doerr,Foundation for Research and Technology, Hellas (FORTH), Greece. Email: martin@csi.forth.gr Traugott Koch, NetLab, Lund University Library Development Department, Sweden and Department of Development & IT, Technical Knowledge Center & Library of Denmark (DTV) Email: Traugott.Koch@ub2.lu.se Douglas Tudhope, School of Computing, University of Glamorgan, Wales, UK. Email: dstudhope@glamorgan.ac.uk Repke de Vries, Netherlands Institute for Scientific Information Services, Netherlands. Email: repke.de.vries@niwi.knaw.nl Overview: In recent years, the need for knowledge organization in Internet services supporting resource discovery in digital libraries and related areas has been increasingly recognised. The growth of information on the Web continues to challenge Internet searchers to locate relevant, high quality resources. The major Web search services respond to this challenge by increasing the size of their databases and offering more powerful searching and ranking features. In contrast to these global search engines, many smaller, more discriminating services are trying to improve resource discovery on the Internet by focusing their efforts on the selection, description, and subject arrangement of high- quality resources. The issue poses questions of pure research, but also to a very high degree applied questions of agreement, collaboration, standardization, use and user needs. Most quality-based services go beyond selection and also catalog or describe chosen resources according to metadata standards such as the Dublin Core (DC). Quality-based services also commonly provide subject access to selected resources through formal knowledge organization structures such as a subject thesaurus, classification scheme, or both. Beyond the insufficiencies of existing individual services, especially the big search services, the overall resource discovery infrastructure on the Internet is not very well developed. For example, few support tools exist for assisting users in finding the right service to start with. Connections among subject collections are also lacking. A user who discovers one service, e.g., about mechanical engineering, is not normally forwarded to related topics in another service. There is no discovery architecture or linkage among services based on subject indexing languages or domain ontologies. Potential Workshop Topics Digital library requirements for knowledge organization schemas: - The need for knowledge organization in subject gateways and discovery services,issues of application and use - Web-based directory structures as knowledge organization systems - Knowledge organization as support for web-based information retrieval, query expansion, cross-language searching - Semantic portals Digital library requirements for knowledge based data processing: - Knowledge organization for filtering, information extraction, summary - Knowledge organization support for multilingual systems, natural language processing or machine translation - Structured result display, clustering - End-user interactions with knowledge organization systems, evaluation and studies of use, knowledge bases for supportive user interfaces, visualization Digital library requirements for knowledge structuring and management: - Suitable vocabulary structures, conceptual relationships - Comparison between established library classification systems and home- grown browsing structures - Methodologies, tools and formats for the construction and maintenance of vocabularies and for mapping between terms, classes and systems - Frameworks for the analysis of assumptions and viewpoints underlying the construction and application of terminology systems - Methods for the combination and adaptation of different vocabularies Digital library requirements for access to knowledge structures: - Data exchange and description formats for knowledge organization systems, the potential and limitations of XML and RDF schemas - Handling of subject information in metadata formats - Standards and repositories for machine-readable description of networked knowledge organization schemas (as collections/systems) - Interoperability, cross-browsing and cross-searching between distributed services based on knowledge organization systems - Distributed access to knowledge organization systems: standard solutions and protocols for query and response, taxonomy servers Communities involved: NKOS: Networked Knowledge Organization Systems http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~lhill/nkos/ Works on content standard for describing networked knowledge organization systems. Projects include development of a model for a protocol for NKOS query and response. NKOS develops cooperation between researchers and developers creating interactive knowledge organization systems over the web. NKOS has held three previous workshops in the USA at ACM DL conferences. This is the first European workshop on the topic. IMesh: International Collaboration on Internet subject gateways http://www.imesh.org/ The NORDIC Metadata Projects http://linnea.helsinki.fi/meta/ MODELS (MOving to Distributed Environments for Library Services) Terminology Workshop http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/dlis/models/ The topic is relevant to digital library, museum, archives, and cultural heritage communities, geo-spatial research, systems for geo-referencing. Related topics have been/are addressed in: the EU projects for Telematics and their successors: Aquarelle, Term-IT, DESIRE, Renardus; LIMBER (Language Independent Metadata Browsing of European Resources) and others; various National Digital Library initiatives: RDN, DEF Denmark, Finland, Netherlands etc. various Standardization initiatives: Electronic thesauri (NISO workshop) Zthes Z39.50; Dublin Core Metadata Initiative; RDF Schema (W3C); Expected participants Digital library and information infrastructure developers Resource discovery service providers (search engines, directories, subject gateways, portals) Information scientists, library, museum and archive professionals Thesaurus and ontology developers Standard developers in the area of terminology usage and exchange Computer scientists, tool developers, interface designers Knowledge managers === We hope to hear from you and to meet you in September in Lisbon. Best regards, Traugott Koch -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | TRAUGOTT KOCH, Senior librarian, Digital Library Scientist | NETLAB, Lund Univ. Library Development Dept. and IT Dept. | at the Technical Knowledge Center & Library of Denmark. | NetLab: P.O. Box 3. S-221 00 Lund, Sweden | Tel: int+46 46 2229233 Fax: int+46 46 2223682 | E-mail: traugott.koch@ub2.lu.se | Personal homepage: http://www.lub.lu.se/koch.html +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Jul 14 08:38:50 2000 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New free database from Gale Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811BE31C8B@mail1.morrisville.edu> I just accessed it using IE 5.5 with no problems at all. Bill Drew From kiehl at hawaii.edu Fri Jul 14 09:24:48 2000 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf Message-ID: The July edition of Peter's Digital Reference Shelf is now available on the Gale Group website. This month Peter reviews the Encyclopaedia of the Orient, Bowker's Complete Video Directory and Simpson's Contemporary Quotations. These in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. His column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/reference.htm See the Archives for databases previously reviewed: Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online. New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From k.beveridge at norcol.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 10:05:22 2000 From: k.beveridge at norcol.ac.uk (Kirsty Beveridge) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: someone has done it Message-ID: >Well, take a look at what the New England School of Law Library has >>done... http://38.232.116.10/screens/well_its_red.html Throw out Dewey, UDC ... bring in the colour charts! I'll propose it to our cataloguer as next summers project Reminds me of an idea for a tactile scheme I had, involving fake fur, rubber etc Kirsty k.beveridge@norcol.ac.uk From middlem at uhls.lib.ny.us Fri Jul 14 10:48:06 2000 From: middlem at uhls.lib.ny.us (Marcia S. Middleton) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New free database from Gale References: <396DFAD8.31263753@elmira.edu> Message-ID: <396F2826.16882AFE@uhls.lib.ny.us> Is there any documentation for how much of each title is actually included? My assumption is full text, but is it from printed journals or their online versions or both and how complete is it? I know it's free, but the librarian in me still wants to know what's included. Marcia S. Middleton Automation Services Librarian Albany Public Library Albany, NY Julia Schult wrote: > > I tried it out and found some very important flaws in its interface. Hopefully > those will be fixed soon (I sent them comments about them): > > The worst one is that when I told it to search only in its "Reference/Ed" > category for articles on "cooperative learning", it pulled up *all the articles > in the Reference/Ed" category*, seemingly ignoring my search words. I tried > that with a few other categories with the same result. > > Another problem is that it searches the full text of the article, but once you > find the article you can only search for your term page by page. I had searched > for articles on "Elmira College" and could not find the term in some of the > articles pulled up; I had to go page by page doing a word find, so I gave up > after the first couple of pages. Even when you email the article, you are > really just emailing the url, so you still have to go page by page. > > Once the interface works, I'll link to it. The collection of resources is > somewhat odd, but useful enough to include it as a resource. > > ---Julia E. Schult > Access/Electronic Services Librarian > Elmira College > Jschult@elmira.edu > > "Drew, Bill" wrote: > > > Carole Leita featured this in her weekly newsletter. I have quoted the > > following with her permission. She also wanted me to know that the database > > is not fully developed and indexed yet. I think it is important because > > such services will have a clear impact on what services libraries purchase > > for their patrons. We need to discuss such issues. Remember Britannica? > > The free version had more content and services than the paid version. That > > is why SUNY dropped its state wide subscriptions to it. > > > > From: Carole Leita [mailto:cleita@webjunction.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:16 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [LIIWEEK] July 12, 2000 > > > > Best of... > > FindArticles.com - > > http://www.findarticles.com/ > > This database of "hundreds of thousands of articles from more > > than 300 magazines and journals, dating back to > > 1998" can be searched by all magazines, magazines within > > categories, or specific magazine. A very few of the > > publications, including Scientific American, only have > > abstracts. Following in the footsteps of Britannica.com's > > putting its encyclopedia and full text of some 70 magazines > > online, this service is the first traditional periodical > > aggregator to release its material on the Web with ad > > revenues as the sole funding mechanism. LookSmart will > > categorize the Gale Group content and target specific > > advertisements to complement the article content. - cl > > Subjects: Periodicals | Full-text > > > > ___________________ > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > > SUNY Morrisville College Library > > drewwe@morrisville.edu > > Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ > > Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ > > Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ > > Have Laptop -- Will Travel. > > > > Believers and doers are what we need -- faithful librarians who are humble > > in the presence of books.... To be in a library is one of the purest of all > > experiences. This awareness of library's unique, even sacred nature, is what > > should be instilled in our neophites. - A Passion for Books Lawrence Clark > > POWELL (1906- ) > > "I feed your body, while you feed your mind." Found in library cafe > > "When you absolutely positively have to know, ask a librarian." ALA Poster > > A keeper of books. - Anonymous > > "Anyone who has a library and a garden wants for nothing." CICERO > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: sunala.gif > > sunala.gif Type: GIF Image (image/gif) > > Encoding: base64 > > -- From Nancy_Webb at watsonwyatt.com Fri Jul 14 10:35:00 2000 From: Nancy_Webb at watsonwyatt.com (Nancy Webb) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: META Tags and MS Word Document Message-ID: <20000714105558339-499adbd@watsonwyatt.com> Hi All, We are in the process of implementing a search engine on our company's intranet site. We have hundreds of Word documents stored on the server which have "Keywords" added to document from the "Properties" screen. My question to the group is, do these "Keywords" qualify as "META Tags". In other words, would these documents be found by a search engine which was searching for META Tags? Thank you all for your help. Nancy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nancy Webb Watson Wyatt Worldwide Canadian Research and Information Centre Toronto, Ontario Canada Email: nancy_webb@watsonwyatt.com Phone: 416-874-3106 Fax: 416-862-2193 From robin.zalben at alverno.edu Fri Jul 14 11:48:23 2000 From: robin.zalben at alverno.edu (Robin Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: Sanity and web page creation Message-ID: Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of creating a web page that works in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Our campus is evenly split--students use netscape faculty/staff IE. I get requests from the Netscape users to make it bigger, and the IE users to make it smaller. No two things can be coded the same way! I'm just trying to make a simple page for our library! Sigh!!!! Excuse my venting, but I know you people understand. If anyone has suggestions or comments, feel free to take a look at http://depts.alverno.edu/library (things are changing on it daily) Robin Robin Zalben Automation Librarian/PC Specialist Alverno College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000714/58d09b43/attachment.htm From plum at ulink.net Fri Jul 14 11:58:06 2000 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation References: Message-ID: <002601bfedac$4d5d9640$d0378ed1@ycxfssto> Re:Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of creating a web page that works in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. If anyone has suggestions or comments, feel free to take a look at http://depts.alverno.edu/library First, you have my deepest empathies. However, since Netscape still doesn't support Cascading Style Sheet font sizes inside Table data tags, you can use these to make it larger for IE (just need to put the text inside a table). BTW, the "building bridges between the ideas and innovations of the future and the cultural riches of the past" at the top and the text links at the bottom really do need to be bigger for IE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000714/7b8f9903/attachment.htm From AKelly at lva.lib.va.us Fri Jul 14 12:00:08 2000 From: AKelly at lva.lib.va.us (Audrey Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New free database from Gale Message-ID: <3B7104134F9BD311BEB80050041F8CE00234B0@lva.lib.va.us> Marcia et al - Of course you want to know what's included!! This is one of the basic principles of research, yet it is increasingly ignored, especially by aggregators and other database producers. I find this trend frustrating and irritating. It is not possible to do a comprehensive search for an answer without knowing what materials you have searched. Not only do you need to know if the full text of the journal is available, you must know the dates of publication included. Without some basic information about the content, it's hit or miss searching and therefore hit or miss results. Audrey ~~~ Audrey M. Kelly Technology Consultant (and librarian) Library of Virginia Richmond, VA 804-692-3768 akelly@lva.lib.va.us -----Original Message----- From: Marcia S. Middleton [mailto:middlem@uhls.lib.ny.us] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New free database from Gale Is there any documentation for how much of each title is actually included? My assumption is full text, but is it from printed journals or their online versions or both and how complete is it? I know it's free, but the librarian in me still wants to know what's included. Marcia S. Middleton Automation Services Librarian Albany Public Library Albany, NY From CAGimon at mpls.lib.mn.us Fri Jul 14 12:16:47 2000 From: CAGimon at mpls.lib.mn.us (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation Message-ID: To make what smaller/larger? Fonts? Table layout? Whatever it is, I bet it's something they can adjust themselves in their browser rather than hassling you about it. You put a proper DTD at the top, it validates, you used percentages in WIDTH attributes, and it behaves nicely when I play around with the "Increase Font" and "Decrease Font" in Netscape. There are things involving color, graphics, etc. that I would do differently--but that's just me. As far as your HTML goes, it looks to me to be excellent. My impression is that the people who are throwing those requests at you are, how can I put this nicely... not very well-informed. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Robin Zalben [mailto:robin.zalben@alverno.edu] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of creating a web page that works in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Our campus is evenly split--students use netscape faculty/staff IE. I get requests from the Netscape users to make it bigger, and the IE users to make it smaller. No two things can be coded the same way! I'm just trying to make a simple page for our library! Sigh!!!! Excuse my venting, but I know you people understand. If anyone has suggestions or comments, feel free to take a look at http://depts.alverno.edu/library (things are changing on it daily) Robin Robin Zalben Automation Librarian/PC Specialist Alverno College From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jul 14 12:25:25 2000 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation References: Message-ID: <006b01bfedb0$58720e40$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> (Please post to Web4Lib in plain text, not HTML.) > Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of > creating a web page that works in both Netscape and Internet > Explorer. > Let me gently suggest that the problem lies more in your expectations than in the shortcomings of either browser. The "make it bigger/make it smaller" problem has an obvious solution: don't make it any size at all. By the way, while you deserve kudos for using valid HTML, you probably want to check some CSS issues here: http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/csscheck.cgi Setting font sizes in absolute units like points is a good guarantee of getting complaints about text being too large or too small on different monitors. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jhamblet at nmu.edu Fri Jul 14 12:37:25 2000 From: jhamblet at nmu.edu (Hambleton, John) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200007141634.JAA23982@webjunction.org> In your instance, I would design for 800 X 600 resolution and use reasonable font sizes. The individual users can adjust font sizes within their browsers while viewing web pages. Stay away from HTML tags specific to IE or specific to Netscape. Above that, you could get into dynamic page displays depending on which browser is detected as viewing your pages, but you wanted to keep it simple. Also, you will NEVER please everyone with a web page design. Suggestion: visit commercial sites with BOTH browsers, and model your pages after what you find looks best in both browsers after your visits. My personal tastes lean toward designs like you find at amazon.com, pcconnection.com and so forth. Mr. H At 08:48 AM 7/14/00 -0700, you wrote: > > Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of creating a web > page that works in both > Netscape and Internet Explorer. > > Our campus is evenly split--students use netscape faculty/staff IE. > > I get requests from the Netscape users to make it bigger, and the IE users to > make it smaller. No two things can be coded the same way! I'm just trying to > make a simple page for our library! Sigh!!!! > > Excuse my venting, but I know you people understand. > > If anyone has suggestions or comments, feel free to take a look at > http://depts.alverno.edu/library > > (things are changing on it daily) > > Robin > > > Robin Zalben > Automation Librarian/PC Specialist > Alverno College +John S. "Dilbert" Hambleton +Computer Scientist and Eccentric +Olson Library +Northern Michigan University +Marquette, Michigan 49855 +NOTIS LMS 6.5.0, GTO 6.5.0 + +Phone: 906-227-2741 +E-mail: jhamblet@nmu.edu + +Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis. +"Blessed are the cracked, +For they shall let in the light." From southerr at usfca.edu Fri Jul 14 13:45:13 2000 From: southerr at usfca.edu (Randy Souther) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation References: Message-ID: <396F51A9.38D7B187@usfca.edu> You can control the text size using graphic images instead of HTML text. This of course may introduce issues of file size and download time. And there will still be variations in size due to different monitor resolutions, etc. Even if there were a way to make the text look exactly the same size for everyone (there isn't), you would still have people complaining that it is too big or small. -- Randy Souther Reference Technology Librarian Gleeson Library | Geschke Learning Resource Center University of San Francisco Email: southerr@usfca.edu Phone: (415) 422-5388 > I get requests from the Netscape users to make it bigger, and the IE > users to make it smaller. No two things can be coded the same way! > I'm just trying to make a simple page for our library! Sigh!!!!Excuse > my venting, but I know you people understand.If anyone has suggestions > or comments, feel free to take a look > at http://depts.alverno.edu/library -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000714/75f2256f/attachment.htm From cruby at micron.com Fri Jul 14 12:49:00 2000 From: cruby at micron.com (cruby) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: Sanity and web page creation Message-ID: <0FD82907AECAD21199510001FA7E7AB00AC0558E@ntexchange04.micron.com> For what it's worth, I agree with Charles. I use IE here and it looks fine. I tend to be a bit visually impaired so have chose to so if I look at a Web page and have trouble reading it I go to View, Fonts, and choose a larger size than my default of medium. Perhaps your customers just need some educating on how to change font sizes? If they are having trouble with your page which is nice and clean they are going to have a real problem with sites like Yahoo! Just my $.02 worth... Carolyn Carolyn Ruby Micron Technology Library MS 552 P.O. Box 6 8000 S. Federal Way Boise, ID 83707 phone: 208-368-4257 fax: 208-368-3393 e-mail: cruby@micron.com -----Original Message----- From: Gimon, Charles A [mailto:CAGimon@mpls.lib.mn.us] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] FW: Sanity and web page creation To make what smaller/larger? Fonts? Table layout? Whatever it is, I bet it's something they can adjust themselves in their browser rather than hassling you about it. You put a proper DTD at the top, it validates, you used percentages in WIDTH attributes, and it behaves nicely when I play around with the "Increase Font" and "Decrease Font" in Netscape. There are things involving color, graphics, etc. that I would do differently--but that's just me. As far as your HTML goes, it looks to me to be excellent. My impression is that the people who are throwing those requests at you are, how can I put this nicely... not very well-informed. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Robin Zalben [mailto:robin.zalben@alverno.edu] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Sanity and web page creation Yesterday was the day I started doubting the possibility of creating a web page that works in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Our campus is evenly split--students use netscape faculty/staff IE. I get requests from the Netscape users to make it bigger, and the IE users to make it smaller. No two things can be coded the same way! I'm just trying to make a simple page for our library! Sigh!!!! Excuse my venting, but I know you people understand. If anyone has suggestions or comments, feel free to take a look at http://depts.alverno.edu/library (things are changing on it daily) Robin Robin Zalben Automation Librarian/PC Specialist Alverno College From Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com Fri Jul 14 14:43:39 2000 From: Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com (Sidey, Carolyne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: response buttons for powerpoint Message-ID: <73A1FDE7DE40D11193D000805F15150B05CAD8E6@xrccntsv3.xrcc.xerox.com> Hi, Does anyone know if it is possible to have response buttons on a PowerPoint slide? We have created a PowerPoint slide virtual tour of the library which we will post a link to on our web page and I would like to have a simple "Did you find this useful? Yes no " type of question at the end. I would prefer anonymous submission if possible. Any ideas. Thanks Carolyne ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Carolyne Sidey, BASc, MLIS, P.Eng. Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada 2660 Speakman Drive Mississauga, Ontario, L5K 2L1, Canada * Internal Mail stop XRCC-MIR #5 * Outside (905) 823-7091 ext 302 * Intelnet 8*286-1302 * Fax (905) 822-7022 * Carolyne.Sidey@crt.xerox.com From kmil at evan1.nl.edu Fri Jul 14 16:15:25 2000 From: kmil at evan1.nl.edu (Kathryn Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: Databases and Statistics Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000714151525.00923ba0@evan1.nl.edu> Web4lib, Comparing and contrasting databases is challenging. Can anyone recommend an article on evaluating the different statistical measures provided by the database companies? Specifically, does anyone know if an average amount of time per database search has been identified? I am hoping for a generic number that can be applied to several different databases. :) Thanks. -- Kathryn Miller Coordinator of Electronic Resources National Louis University, Evanston Campus 847-475-1100 x2850 kmil@evan1.nl.edu From jschult at elmira.edu Fri Jul 14 17:07:47 2000 From: jschult at elmira.edu (Julia Schult) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Databases and Statistics References: <3.0.6.32.20000714151525.00923ba0@evan1.nl.edu> Message-ID: <396F8122.3B658AEE@elmira.edu> There's a project working on this: http://www.albany.edu/~imlsstat/ Among other things, check out their links to "Related Resources" which points to several articles including the PLA Technote: Electronic Statistics "Counting Electronic Crows" at http://www.pla.org/technotes/electronicstats.html I mentioned this problem in the paper I gave at National Online, and had one particular slide in which I showed our statistics for several databases, which shows some but not all of the discrepancies in their reporting (#searches, #sessions, #minutes, #documents/views/whatever). You can find my ppt slides on the www.infotoday.com site under this year's NOM presentation links, or I can send anyone a snapshot of the chart if you're interested. As far as I know, there is industry pressure toward regularlizing the reporting by the vendors, but no other solutions to date. I don't think you could have a "generic" time spent in a database, because full-text vs. citation databases and databases in different fields are used very differently. The Infotrac products report average session times, but I don't know about any of the others. (Maybe MARCIVE.) Kathryn Miller wrote: > Web4lib, > > Comparing and contrasting databases is challenging. > > Can anyone recommend an article on evaluating the different statistical > measures provided by the database companies? > > Specifically, does anyone know if an average amount of time per database > search has been identified? I am hoping for a generic number that can be > applied to several different databases. :) > > Thanks. > > -- > Kathryn Miller > Coordinator of Electronic Resources > National Louis University, Evanston Campus > 847-475-1100 x2850 > kmil@evan1.nl.edu -- ---Julia E. Schult Access/Electronic Services Librarian Elmira College Jschult@elmira.edu From mconroy at ohionet.org Fri Jul 14 18:23:35 2000 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: LITA Regional Institute - August 11, Dublin, OH Message-ID: <45E65FF9FB4BD3118912005004A2B8F02F9DAE@ohionetmail.ohionet.org> Cross posted to several lists, please pardon any duplication. Proxy Servers The LITA Regional Institute, "Proxy Web Servers and Authentication" is co-sponsored by LITA and OHIONET in cooperation with OCLC Institute. The LITA Institute will be held at the OCLC campus in Columbus, Ohio on Friday, August 11, 2000 from 9am to 4pm. This institute is a combination of instruction on the theory and the use of proxy servers in library situations. It includes practical examples of implementations. The background of proxy servers as defined in the HTTP protocol specification will be outlined, followed by a discussion of the application of proxy servers for library uses such as conserving bandwidth, providing access to IP address-restricted resources, and restricting access to specified sites. Example implementations of applications are also provided. Special emphasis will be placed on using proxy servers to access IP address-restricted resources, including a discussion of alternatives to proxy servers for solving this particular problem. This program is intended for systems librarians and computer professionals with a background in providing web services. Some technical knowledge about the management of web servers, such as installing CGI programs, is assumed. Knowledge of C and/or PERL is recommended for the implementation examples. Presenter Peter Murray was, until recently, the Library Systems Manager at Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) in Cleveland, Ohio. He is newly employed by the University of Connecticut Law Library as a Computer Services Librarian. Active in the Innovative Users Group, he has served as Programs Committee Chair (1999) and Chair (1999-2000). In 1999, Peter was awarded the "Highly Commended Award" by MCB University Press for his article "World Wide Web Technologies in CWRU Libraries," published in _New Library World_. Find out more about Peter at http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html. For more information about LITA Regional Institutes, or to request that a Regional Institute be held near you, visit www.lita.org/institut/index.html. Register for the Columbus, Ohio "Proxy Web Servers and Authentication" presentation at www.lita.org/institut/Ohionet/ohionet.html. Or contact Valerie Edmonds at vedmonds@ala.org or #312-280-4269. Registration fees: LITA Members or OHIONET Members $165, Non-LITA Members and Non-OHIONET Members $215. REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 1. The Library and Information Technology Association (LITA) is a division of the American Library Association. For more information, contact: Rebecca Felkner 800-545-2433, ext. 4268 From mconroy at ohionet.org Fri Jul 14 18:27:21 2000 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: (Position) OHIONET OCLC Service Sales Rep Message-ID: <45E65FF9FB4BD3118912005004A2B8F02F9DAF@ohionetmail.ohionet.org> OCLC SERVICES SALES REPRESENTATIVE Responsibilities: Handles sales of all OCLC products and services in the OHIONET Territory. Travel to libraries, conferences, regional meetings, and conduct presentations to individuals and groups. Travel required (40%) in the geographic territory served by OHIONET. (Currently Ohio and parts of Pennsylvania and West Virginia.) Required: Bachelor's degree. Minimum of three years relevant experience in the library field. Experience in sales or sales-related activities involving technology solutions, preferably library systems. Ability to work with diverse staff in member libraries, work with limited supervision, set priorities, manage time, organize, and exercise initiative and good judgement. Valid Ohio driver's license or ability to obtain. Desired: ALA MLS and marketing/sales experience in the library field. Salary: Dependent upon qualifications (upper 30s). Excellent benefits. Send, fax, or e-mail application letter, resume, salary requirements, and the names, addresses, and phone numbers of three references to Michael P. Butler, Executive Director, OHIONET, 1500 W. Lane Ave., Columbus, OH 43221. Fax: 614-486-1527 or e-mail: barb@ohionet.org. From cchick at netcom.com Fri Jul 14 21:56:32 2000 From: cchick at netcom.com (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:50 2005 Subject: LLRX.com update for July 15, 2000 Message-ID: LLRX.com (http://www.llrx.com), the free Web journal providing current, comprehensive articles and resources for legal professionals and law librarians on research, information technology, digital legislation, cybernews, Web links and Web tools for researchers, software reviews, and presentation/marketing/training issues, since 1996. Editors: Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick. ---------------------------------------------------------------- New on LLRX.com, July 15, 2000 Update to Search Engines Compared Diana Botluk's update to her very popular training resource comparing the important features of six major search engines, is available in both html and PDF formats. Taking Technology to the Next Level: Implementing Knowledge Services According to author and legal technology expert John Hokkanen, true technology integration means moving far beyond bits and bytes towards people and processes. John details constructive examples of how to succeed with your KM program. Guide to International Refugee Law Resources on the Web In her guide, Elisa Mason, an expert on refugee and forced migration issues, directs readers to the key texts and resources available on this timely international legal topic. An Overview of Estonian Law and Web Resources Kart Miil provides researchers an expert perspective on the Estonian legal system and specific areas of law, as well as numerous links to databases, courts and academic resources. Research RoundUp: Slip Opinion Listservers Kathy Biehl's has created a guide to all current free and fee-based slip opinion services on the Web. This is definitely an article to bookmark! Reference from Coast to Coast: Bibliographic Reference Resources on the Web Law librarians Jan Bissett and Margi Heinen review a wide range of legal and non-legal bibliographic reference resources on the Web. Notes from the Technology Trenches: Web Site Management Software Roger Skalbeck reviews two major web site management applications, FrontPage2000 and Dreamweaver3. Roger also provides links to other similar applications and associated resources. Update on CourtExpress.com Sabrina I. Pacifici and Jeff Bosh report on important new enhancements to this service, including Web-enabled retrieval of pleadings, memoranda and opinions from selected courts. Internet Roundtable #11: A Continuing Discussion of Law Firm Marketing on the Internet Jerry Lawson, Brenda Howard and Dennis Kennedy discuss how Web sites differ from television ads for marketing. Finding Federal, State and Local Governments on the Web Gloria Miccioli reviews some new, and some tried and true, meta-sites for locating a wealth of government information online. Newstand and CongressLine Links Stories on privacy concerns abound this week, with major law suits in the news and the introduction of important new federal legislation. From 'spyware,' to search engines invading personal files on your PC, the newstand has the latest information on legal tech issues. ************************************************************ New Product Announcement from West Group! The Standard and Deluxe Editions of Black's Law Dictionary 7th are now available for purchase. Buy directly online at http://store.westgroup.com From larryn at eauclaire.lib.wi.us Wed Jul 19 11:00:23 2000 From: larryn at eauclaire.lib.wi.us (Larry Nickel) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: community calendars Message-ID: Can anyone refer me to library web sites that do a good job of providing event calendars that cover an entire community? I am particularly interested in how libraries are efficiently updating these calendars. Larry A. Nickel L.E. Phillips Memorial Public Library Eau Claire, Wisconsin From dildine at stlawu.edu Wed Jul 19 11:03:51 2000 From: dildine at stlawu.edu (Thomas Dildine) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Remote email access via a browser References: <3.0.4.32.20000718181050.008ac240@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: <3975C357.490DE90C@stlawu.edu> There is another such service called Mail Reader at: http://www.mailreader.com Thomas Dildine -- Thomas Dildine Library Systems Networking and Computer Maintenance Technician St. Lawrence University Libraries From CAGimon at mpls.lib.mn.us Wed Jul 19 11:22:57 2000 From: CAGimon at mpls.lib.mn.us (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] community calendars Message-ID: I have just recently put up a new Events Calendar for the Minneapolis Public Library: http://www.mpls.lib.mn.us/calendar.asp This initial version is a little "meaty"--in a soon-to-be-released upgrade to our entire site, events for individual Library locations also show up on pages for that location, "Kids" events show up on the Kids page, Board Meetings show up on the Library Board page, as well as this general calendar. Calendar is searchable by word, date or location. This is being served up from a database on our web server. The page itself is an Active Server Page written in perlscript. When you access the page or do a search, it sends a query to the database to pull out the events you will see. Default right now is all events for the next 30 days (which may be a little overwhelming). Next version of our site will show neighborhood library events on individual pages for each neighborhood library as well as this full calendar. Since it's all being served up from the same database, whenever an event is added or edited, that new event show up automatically wherever it should appear in the site. Our Public Affairs department is able to add and edit events in the database from another active server page--so they can update the website instantly as needed. Next enhancement that I want to make to this is to let Public Affairs add a little thumbnail photo to an event if they want. They're good people, and I think I can trust them to size them properly and not upload anything that's particularly ugly. :) Even though the search works well (and was fun to program), I have mixed feelings about trusting the average user to search for the events that they want. In the future, I hope to have more topical pages that will query for just the events that are pertinent to that page, rather than forcing users to search. Disclaimer: the rest of our current website is mostly not my work--a replacement is finished and pending review. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Larry Nickel [mailto:larryn@eauclaire.lib.wi.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] community calendars Can anyone refer me to library web sites that do a good job of providing event calendars that cover an entire community? I am particularly interested in how libraries are efficiently updating these calendars. Larry A. Nickel L.E. Phillips Memorial Public Library Eau Claire, Wisconsin From donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Wed Jul 19 12:33:58 2000 From: donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] community calendars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CascadeLink, hosted by Multnomah County Library has a good calendar -- http://calendar.cascadelink.org/ On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Larry Nickel wrote: > Can anyone refer me to library web sites that do a good job of providing event calendars that cover an entire community? I am particularly interested in how libraries are efficiently updating these calendars. > > Larry A. Nickel > L.E. Phillips Memorial Public Library > Eau Claire, Wisconsin > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed TEL 503.988.5238 Multnomah County Library FAX 503.988.5475 Community Information System 801 SW 10th Avenue Portland, OR 97205 E-mail: donnare@multnomah.lib.or.us http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/ http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/ http://www.cascadelink.org/ From levinej at sls.lib.il.us Wed Jul 19 12:28:36 2000 From: levinej at sls.lib.il.us (Jenny Levine) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] community calendars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The NorthStarNet community network is run by libraries in Chicago's suburbs. It has an extensive calendar that was built by Andy Bullen. It's pretty slick because it creates fill-in-the-blank templates that anybody can use, so no HTML knowledge is necessary. You can see the output at http://www.northstarnet.org/calendar.html, although the way Andy built it allows multiple display levels. For example, a library can display only its events or a community can display everything going on within it and *everything* then appears in the master calendar. The intention was always to "beautify" it a little bit, but the basic code works very well. You can contact NSN at nsnc@nsn.org for more information, although Andy is now at abullen@findit.sos.state.il.us. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jenny Levine 125 Tower Drive Internet Development Specialist Burr Ridge, IL 60521 Suburban Library System +1 (630) 734 5141 http://www.sls.lib.il.us/ levinej@sls.lib.il.us On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Larry Nickel wrote: > Can anyone refer me to library web sites that do a good job of providing event calendars that cover an entire community? I am particularly interested in how libraries are efficiently updating these calendars. > > Larry A. Nickel > L.E. Phillips Memorial Public Library > Eau Claire, Wisconsin > > From John_H_Reidelbach/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu Wed Jul 19 12:57:06 2000 From: John_H_Reidelbach/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu (John_H_Reidelbach/LIB/UNO/UNEBR@unomail.unomaha.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: Reference & Instructional Services Librarian Position Announcement Message-ID: <86256921.005D1E97.00@unomail.unomaha.edu> The University of Nebraska at Omaha Library is still accepting applications for the following position. REFERENCE AND INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES LIBRARIAN The University Library seeks an individual to lead in initiating, implementing and assessing a wide-array of web-based instructional offerings. The University and department have a strong commitment to achieving diversity among faculty and staff. We are particularly interested in receiving applications from members of under-represented groups and strongly encourage women and persons of color to apply. Assists patrons with their information needs by performing general and specialized reference work. Actively participates in collection development. Serves as library liaison to the College of Education and other departments as assigned. Fulfills requirements of faculty status in areas of contributions to librarianship, scholarly activities, and service. GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES: Effectively assists patrons with their information needs by performing general and specialized reference work. Provides library instruction in assigned subject areas. In cooperation with the Reference and Electronic Services Librarian, the Systems team and the web-based tutorial group, leads in initiating, implementing and assessing a wide array of web-based instructional offerings. Actively participates in collection development and library liaison responsibilities in assigned subject areas. Maintains effective working relationships with colleagues in the department, library, and the university. Fulfills requirements of faculty status in areas of contribution to librarianship, scholarly activities, and service. QUALIFICATIONS: ALA accredited M.L.S. Experience in providing a wide range of reference services. Experience in web server technology, TCP-IP protocols, and at least one scripting language. Excellent organizational, planning, interpersonal, communication and written skills. Flexibility and teamwork a must. Desired: Second masters degree preferably in education or another social science. Experience in an academic or research library and in library instruction. SALARY/BENEFITS: Salary is lower $40's for a 12 month appointment, tenure track, TIAA/CREF, 24 days vacation, flexible benefits package. Review of applications will begin July 17, 2000 and continue until a candidate is selected. A letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses & e-mail addresses of 3 references should be sent to Jan Boyer, University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha, NE 68182-0237, e-mail jboyer@unomaha.edu or fax (402) 554-3215. For additional information about the University Library and a complete copy of the job description, visit the Librarys Home page athttp://library.unomaha.edu. John Reidelbach Chair Information Services & Collections Management Dept. University Library Room 206 Internet: jreidelb@unomail.unomaha.edu 6001 Dodge Street Phone: 402-554-2846 University of Nebraska at Omaha Fax: 402-554-3215 Omaha, NE 68182-0237 From vrdconf at ericir.syr.edu Wed Jul 19 13:16:25 2000 From: vrdconf at ericir.syr.edu (VRD Conference) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: VRD Conference reminder Message-ID: > >----------------------------------------------------- > >************************************************ >CONFERENCE DEADLINE REMINDER >************************************************ > >Early bird registration ends AUGUST 1, 2000 for the Virtual Reference Desk >Conference, "The Facets of Digital Reference." Please see the registration >form online at: http://www.vrd.org/conferences/VRD2000/registration1.html > >DATE: October 16-17, 2000 >LOCATION: The Sheraton Seattle Hotel & Towers, Seattle, WA >TOPICS: Real-time technologies for digital reference; e-reference >management issues; evaluation; case studies, and much more! >SPEAKERS: > * Michael B. Eisenberg, Director of the School of Library and > Information Science, University of Washington (Keynote Speaker) > * Charles R. McClure, Francis Eppes Professor, School of Information > Studies, Florida State University, and Director, Information Use > Management and Policy Institute (Keynote Speaker) > * R. David Lankes, Director of the ERIC Clearinghouse on Information > & Technology. > * Representatives from Ask Jeeves, the Library of Congress, the > Central Intelligence Agency, AskMe.com, Internet Public Library, > Cornell University, National Agricultural Library, and many others. > >"The Facets of Digital Reference" conference will highlight digital >reference service in all contexts: libraries and information centers, >education, intranets, the commercial sector, government, and more. >Building on the success of the sold-out VRD 1999 Digital Reference >Conference with attendees from across the globe, this conference will >explore the nature of Internet-based, human-mediated information service >in all areas, as well as examine issues in providing digital reference and >expert information service. Digital reference training workshops and >courses will also be offered on October 15 and 18 at the University of >Washington. > >DEADLINES AND FEES > >**August 1** - Early Bird Registration ($220) for 2-day conference > >* Regular Rate: $250.00. >* Groups of Ten or More: $200.00. Must be submitted together along with > payment. >* AskA Consortium Members: $200.00 (must be a member at time of > registration) >* Student Rate: $150.00. Registration form must include a letter from your > department head attesting to your full-time student status and a copy of > your student ID. > >Please note that no on-site conference registration is available, and that >seating is limited. Last year's conference was sold out, so please >register early. > >ACCOMMODATIONS > >Please book your room early. October is a very busy time in Seattle, and >rooms are limited. VRD has reserved a block of rooms at The Sheraton >Seattle Hotel & Towers, the location of the VRD 2000 Conference. The >Sheraton is situated in the heart of downtown Seattle, adjacent to the >Washington State Convention Center at 1400 Sixth Avenue. Please indicate >that you are reserving under the VRD block. The toll free number is: 800 >325-3535. Room rates are $169.00/single, $189.00/double and an additional >person is $20.00. > >IMPORTANT URLs AND NUMBERS > >"Facets of Digital Reference" online conference registration form: >http://www.vrd.org/conferences/VRD2000/registration1.html > >General conference information: >< http://vrd.org/conferences/VRD2000/index.html> > >AskA Consortium information: >< http://vrd.org/AskA/> > >Contact Marilyn Schick at 800-464-9107 with any questions > > > >Thanks, >Joann >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joann M. Wasik > Research Consultant & Communications Officer > The Virtual Reference Desk > jmwasik@vrd.org > www.vrd.org >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~ Marilyn Schick Virtual Reference Desk Project Secretary Phone: 315 443 - 3640 Fax: 315 443 - 5448 ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology Syracuse University 621 Skytop Road - Suite 160 Syracuse, NY 13244 - 5290 ~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~^^~~ From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Wed Jul 19 14:31:45 2000 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: Print Dialog problem solved in IE 5.5 Message-ID: <000719143145.3de6@sals.edu> In the course of testing IE 5.5, I stumbled across a possible fix for the lack of a print dialog box. While the regular Print button does not display the dialog box which IE 3.x used to have (and so users continue to press it without realizing they've printed), the new Print Preview function does have this. Those who prefer a button rather than forcing them to use the File | Print menu now have a solution. I am also pleased to report that IE 5.5 solves the problem with loading PDF images in EbscoHost. I actually found this in the "List of Issues Fixed in Internet Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 1" at and now I understand why I could get them from other sites but not Ebsco. Ebsco gave me a workaround, but it was a pain having to modify Adobe Acrobat's settings every time I installed a new PC. I haven't tested for the NoRun fix yet, but since IE 5.01 SP1 has it, it should be in 5.5. No obvious problems with it yet, so this looks like a must-have upgrade for us. Maybe the security features promised for 5.01 will work. :-) Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From womack at wfu.edu Wed Jul 19 14:58:38 2000 From: womack at wfu.edu (giz womack) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: Best Scanner Settings for PDF files Message-ID: <3975FA5E.7BA769A1@wfu.edu> Hi All, Our library is working on a online reserve project. The files on reserve are scanned and stored as PDF files. My question is: Does anyone have any thoughts on optimal scanner settings for scanning such files? What is the best compromise of resolution versus file size. At 300 dpi it looks great, but the file is enourmous. At 150-200 it is a much smaller file, but the resolution is not ideal. Any thoughts, ideas?Tips, tricks? Thanks, Giz Womack ITC Specialist III ZSR Library-Information Technology Center Wake Forest University From almag at mills.edu Wed Jul 19 18:17:31 2000 From: almag at mills.edu (Alma E. Garcia) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:55 2005 Subject: vendors Message-ID: I am interested in talking with any libraries that have recently upgraded their systems. This would included hardware as well as software. Moving from a character based OPAC to a GUI OPAC. Also how have other libraries handled a change in IP address of their library server. Alma Garcia Library System Administrator almag@mills.edu (510)430-2021 From david at cn.net.au Sun Jul 2 03:44:56 2000 From: david at cn.net.au (David Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:53 2005 Subject: All-in-one search page with a twist. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000702154456.007c8be0@mail.iinet.net.au> Just released a fine All-in-one search page with several unique elements. Please download it, keep it, pass it to a friend. The page works swiftly on your computer. Web4lib members are welcome to attributed use of any search elements on their own websites. The page include a single-form search engine launch script (which translates search syntax) and clickable image maps for international newspapers and search engines. The Spir is prepared by The Spire Project (produces a very large research website, The Information Research FAQ, free shareware and a newspaper column). The Spir can be retrieved from http://spireproject.com/spir.zip or by saving directly off the page at http://spireproject.com/spir.htm Half the task of research is reaching for good tools quickly. This will help. David Novak david@spireproject.com The Spire Project SpireProject.com SpireProject.co.uk From yiklesj at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 13:17:19 2000 From: yiklesj at hotmail.com (Jenette Yikles) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:53 2005 Subject: Privacy concerns with new live web reference software Message-ID: <20000702171719.82298.qmail@hotmail.com> First off, don't get me wrong, I have seen a demo of the new live web reference software that LSSI will be launching at ALA (see previous message "Live Online Reference Services at ALA") ... and I think it is great stuff, and my company will probably be purchasing it. It allows librarians and patrons to work together live and real time over the Web, and that means the librarian can push Web pages to the patron, guide the patron's browser around the Web, fill out search forms together, and so forth. And I tend to agree with Coffman (for once!) ... that this stuff probably represents the future of reference ... if there is to be a future for reference, anyway. HOWEVER, ... the software also raises some significant privacy issues, that I think we all need to be thinking about ... especially if the software does become widely adopted for reference purposes. More specifically, the software saves complete transcripts of all reference interactions (including all chat and URLs visited) and compiles a patron profile that allows the librarian to see all the previous questions the patron has asked. As Coffman points out, there are some great advantages in this ... it might allow us to provide the patron with updated information on questions they had asked earlier (for example: "Mr. Jones, I just want to let you know, that there is a new release of the Consumer Price Index which updates the data we gave you last week") and, of course, it would allow us to better understand our patrons and how they use our reference services. But it also associates a patron's name with what ... up until now ... has been a pretty anonymous process ... and it is not difficult to imagine the possibilities for abuse ... just to take an extreme example, could Kenneth Star subpoena our reference records to see if Monica Lewinsky had called to ask us about spot removal? Of course, in library circ systems, we have always solved this problem by expunging the patron's name from the records ... but then along comes people like Amazon, who prove that there are a whole lot of people out there ... including myself ... who are more than willing to give up a little privacy in return for the personalized recommendations, and so on ... that those systems can give you. So, like so many aspects of modern technology .. this new reference software also seems to be a double-edged sword. So, while I am definitely impressed by this new technology, and I would certainly urge you to check it out at ALA .... I think we all need to be thinking about the possible privacy implications of the software, and ways we might address them. I would be interested to know what others think about this ... I'll post this to a few other revelvant lists, and see what kind of reaction it gets there as well. Yours, Jenette Yikles Manager, Information Center ECES Technologies yiklesj@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu Sun Jul 2 14:26:48 2000 From: ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu (Ilene Frank (REF)) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Privacy concerns with new live web reference software In-Reply-To: <20000702171719.82298.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Jenette Yikles wrote: > HOWEVER, ... the software also raises some significant privacy issues, that > I think we all need to be thinking about ... especially if the software does > become widely adopted for reference purposes. More specifically, the > software saves complete transcripts of all reference interactions (including > all chat and URLs visited)... Ummmm... , I don't want anyone to get unduly alarmed, but *any* email reference allows for archiving of complete transactions of both reference questions submitted and librarian responses. Your institution may actually require that all computer transactions be logged and archived. Don't we all have privacy policies that include email archives as protected information? Nonetheless Jenette's point is well-taken. Some of us met online to discuss University of Florida's pilot "RefExpress" project. As I remember we thought it would be a good idea to let users know if their chat was being transcribed. -- Ilene Frank, Reference Dept. Tampa Campus Library, LIB 122 University of South Florida, Tampa FL 33620 ifrank@lib.usf.edu Work 813.974.2483 http://www.lib.usf.edu/~ifrank/ From lbspodic at ust.hk Sun Jul 2 21:15:24 2000 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] All-in-one search page with a twist. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000702154456.007c8be0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20000702154456.007c8be0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Dang - first crash of the week - apparantly from this URL. Windows 98, Netscape 4.7 and IE 5, computer hung with frozen pointer - ctrl-alt-del ineffective - hard boot required. Time for coffee. I'll try again later - maybe it is just because the machine has been running fine for a week and jumping here as the second URL after our holiday weekend just confused it... :) -Spode (Hong Kong) lbspodic@ust.hk At 12:26 AM -0700 2/7/00, David Novak wrote: >Just released a fine All-in-one search page with several unique elements. Please download it, keep it, pass it to a friend. The page works swiftly on your computer. > >Web4lib members are welcome to attributed use of any search elements on their own websites. > >The page include a single-form search engine launch script (which translates search syntax) and clickable image maps for international newspapers and search engines. > > >The Spir is prepared by The Spire Project (produces a very large research website, The Information Research FAQ, free shareware and a newspaper column). > >The Spir can be retrieved from http://spireproject.com/spir.zip or by saving directly off the page at http://spireproject.com/spir.htm > >Half the task of research is reaching for good tools quickly. This will help. > >David Novak david@spireproject.com >The Spire Project >SpireProject.com SpireProject.co.uk - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Tue Jul 4 10:11:58 2000 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:56 2005 Subject: FileNavigator 1.0 B - A Napster clone for Windows (Freeware) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "FileNavigator is a Free Napster(tm) clone for the Windows95/98/NT/2000 platform. It not only allows the sharing of multiple filetypes, but compensates the Artists and the Server Operators through a small, unobtrusive, advertising banner at the bottom of the client." http://www.filenavigator.com/ I haven't tried this yet, because the registration server is down, but it does sound interesting. From William_Moore at umanitoba.ca Tue Jul 4 10:41:47 2000 From: William_Moore at umanitoba.ca (William Moore) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Multimedia databases for web sites In-Reply-To: <008a01bfe201$3720bbc0$44014f0c@nobody> Message-ID: >From the MySQL manual (http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/commented/manual.php?section=BLOB): You can have indexes on BLOB and TEXT columns with MySQL versions 3.23.2 and newer. Older versions of MySQL did not support this. ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ = William Moore mailto:william_moore@umanitoba.ca LETS Web Developer (204) 474-6523 http://www.umanitoba.ca/libraries/units/lets 486f6d6f 73756d3a 68756d616e69 6e696c 61 6d65 616c69656e756d 7075746f -> -----Original Message----- -> From: web4lib@webjunction.org -> [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Michael A. Mayo -> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:39 PM -> To: Multiple recipients of list -> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Multimedia databases for web sites -> -> -> ----- Original Message ----- -> From: "Yvonne Reynolds" -> > Can anyone point me in the right direction please. I am -> >looking for a reasonably priced, or better still free multimedia -> >database / object oreinted databse which one could use -> >store and manage information for a web site. Something -> >like MySQl, but able to handle graphics and sound, video -> >files as well as text based objects or numbers. -> -> MySQL and PostgreSQL both support sticking binary data into the database -> via BLOBs (bianary large objects). Unfortunately, use of BLOBs usually -> comes with many 'gotchas,' like not being able to use indexes and certian -> types of searches. This is true of postgres and nearly all RDBMS's, not -> sure about MySQL. -> -> Have you considered storing the video/sound files in the filesystem, and -> storing the location of the files as a field in the database? This is very -> simple and circumvents most of the problems with BLOBs. Usually, you don't -> want to do database functions (search, etc) on the bianary data themselves, -> anyway. -> -> If you find a free/open source object/multimedia database, please let me -> know. -> -> -Mike -> -> From William_Moore at umanitoba.ca Tue Jul 4 10:59:40 2000 From: William_Moore at umanitoba.ca (William Moore) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Need help with Style sheets for Netscape In-Reply-To: <001101bfe2a7$9d683010$cdb88018@walt> Message-ID: I tried viewing the page in both IE 5.5 and Netscape 4.73 and both browsers displayed the pages fine and are using the style sheets as specified in the head of the document. The only difference is that the colours in IE were brighter then in Netscape, however that is a common problem between the two browsers. When using Netscape 4.x make sure that under advanced options you have Enable style sheets selected. Also when using colours in stylesheets (or other tags) try to avoid the colour keywords (lime, yellow, etc) as different browsers may have a different understanding of those words. When possible always use the RGB hex values to ensure the same colour is used. ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ = William Moore mailto:william_moore@umanitoba.ca LETS Web Developer (204) 474-6523 http://www.umanitoba.ca/libraries/units/lets 486f6d6f 73756d3a 68756d616e69 6e696c 61 6d65 616c69656e756d 7075746f -> -----Original Message----- -> From: web4lib@webjunction.org -> [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Walt Howe -> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:27 PM -> To: Multiple recipients of list -> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Need help with Style sheets for Netscape -> -> -> The differences between MSIE and Netscape are significantly different in -> style sheets and JavaScript. Frankly, if you are going to use them and -> should accomodate both browsers, it may be easier to detect the browser -> version and write alternate code for each than to write code which -> accomodates all. -> -> Or just give up the idea of using style sheets. Very simple JavaScripts will -> work with both, but must be tested. -> -> Style sheets are supposed to "fail safe", but the results are anything but. -> Anyone using 3.0 version browsers of any type cannot use style sheets at -> all. -> -> Walt Howe -> SLA Information Technology Virtual Section -> -> ----- Original Message ----- -> From: "Nancy Sosna Bohm" -> To: "Multiple recipients of list" -> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:56 PM -> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Need help with Style sheets for Netscape -> -> -> > I am working on some simple JavaScript quizes for an organization. I used -> > style sheets because it seemed proper and, more importantly, it is easier -> to -> > change colors, sizes, etc. in response to group feedback. It looks great -> in -> > IE5, but, alas, the colors and sizes are wrong or non-existent in -> Netscape. -> > If anyone wants to view it and give advice, I would appreciate it. -> > You may see one at: http://www.ulink.net/plum/Various/TeenQuizEat.htm -> > Thank you. -> > -> From dhamilto at wlu.ca Tue Jul 4 12:24:16 2000 From: dhamilto at wlu.ca (Don Hamilton) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:56 2005 Subject: Compare swish-e and ht://dig Message-ID: We have a small (300-400 page) site to index. I'm looking for easy, free search software. After browsing a bit, I'm down to swish-e or ht:dig as my engines of choice. Has anyone done a comparison of these two site search engines? Any for or against comments? Thanks in advance Don Hamilton (mailto:dhamilto@wlu.ca) Information Technology & Cybrarian by Osmosis Wilfrid Laurier University Library Waterloo, Ontario, Canada 519-884-0710x3336 fax:519-884-8023 From egaza at henrico.lib.va.us Mon Jul 10 09:29:20 2000 From: egaza at henrico.lib.va.us (Lisa Gaza) Date: Wed May 18 14:45:05 2005 Subject: Internet/Intranet Coord, Richmond VA Message-ID: Job Description for Position Number 1501-0131-0 Job Title: LIBRARIAN I/INTERNET-INTRANET COORD Salary Range: $37,848-66,434 (hiring range: $37,848-40,606) Department: LIBRARY Deadline: 07/14/00 General Statement of Duties: Coordinates and collaborates with all responsible parties for planning, design, structure, implementation, maintenance, presentation, promotion, and development of the Library's Internet and Intranet; provides Web-related technical expertise, including management of the Web server and library-related electronic resources, customizing Web-based integrated system's public interface screens, custom scripting, quality control, etc.; serves as resource for Library Web page developers and advisor for Web-based projects. Qualifications: Possession of an American Library Association-accredited master's degree in library science; OR, any equivalent combination of experience and training which provides the required knowledge, skills, and abilities. Please note: a completed County of Henrico application form must be submitted by deadline date. It can be located at: http://www.co.henrico.va.us/personnel/forms/appformz.html Henrico County does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age or disability. ----------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Gaza County of Henrico Public Library Richmond VA 23227 egaza@henrico.lib.va.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000710/baf6cb18/attachment.htm From htwd at tln.lib.mi.us Mon Jul 10 09:58:35 2000 From: htwd at tln.lib.mi.us (Huntington Woods Public Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:45:05 2005 Subject: Interesting Tip: Custom 404 Errors Message-ID: <007701bfea76$f0bcaa80$3b3e0fce@tln.lib.mi.us> I thought I would pass along an interesting tip I discovered this weekend. If you make a lot of directory changes or delete pages from your website, you will appreciate this. Instead of a user seeing the default 404 error page when a page no longer exists, you can create your own! Create a file called '.htaccess' with the following line: ErrorDocument 404 http://www.yourwebserver.com/404.html Then, create a file called 404.html and make it redirect to your server's homepage. You can view an example at http://www.huntington-woods.lib.mi.us/404.html Enjoy! *********************************************** Brent J. Pliskow Technology Coordinator Huntington Woods Public Library http://www.huntington-woods.lib.mi.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000710/e572fdc5/attachment.htm From nordgrle at plu.edu Mon Jul 10 12:56:10 2000 From: nordgrle at plu.edu (Layne Nordgren) Date: Wed May 18 14:45:05 2005 Subject: Webmaster/Multimedia Developer Position Opening - Pacific Lutheran University Message-ID: <396A002A.FC375B35@plu.edu> The position of Webmaster/Multimedia Developer at Pacific Lutheran University is open. Please distribute this message to interested parties. Thanks! Layne Nordgren POSITION: Webmaster/Multimedia Developer DEPARTMENT: Multimedia Services JOB SUMMARY: Serve as University Webmaster managing the PLU web site (http://www.plu.edu) and the Web Development Team. Assist students, faculty and staff with multimedia and web development projects. Supervise and staff the Multimedia Lab. PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES: 1. Provide graphic and design support for multimedia and web production services 2. Manage, train, and prioritize the workflow of the Web Development Team 3. Develop, maintain, and update university web pages 4. Provide support for Blackboard web course management system. 5. Encourage and support faculty, students, and staff with integrating multimedia and web resources into presentations and their curriculum 6. Develop and present workshops in multimedia and web page production 7. Supervise and staff the Multimedia Lab 8. Consult with students, faculty, and staff on multimedia projects 9. Provide software and production support for the Multimedia Lab REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Graphic design coursework and experience/coursework with web and multimedia applications 2. Demonstrated experience in HTML, CSS, Dynamic HTML, XML, and javascript authoring across various browser sets 3. Experience with GUI web site production tools like Dreamweaver or FrontPage 4. Excellent verbal and written communications skills, especially with email 5. Porfolio of web designs and multimedia production work PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Experience with Blackboard, Illustrator, Premiere, and Acrobat or similar software 2. Experience with Unix operating system and associated text editors 3. Experience with Microsoft Office, especially PowerPoint and HTML conversion 4. Good teaching skills for organizing and presenting workshops 5. Demonstrated management of work teams and/or student workers 6. Excellent web and multimedia project management skills 7. Scripting experience with CGI, Perl, and CFML Submit cover letter, resume and a university application to Human Resources, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma, WA 98447. Ph.253-535-7185. http://www.plu.edu/~humr/jobs/webdeveloper_MultimediaSvcs.html EOE/AA Pacific Lutheran University (PLU) is a comprehensive institution with an enrollment of approximately 3600, including international students from two dozen countries. Located in a uniquely scenic region on the Pacific Rim, the university's campus is 40 miles south of Seattle in suburban Tacoma, Washington. As a "New American College," PLU emphasizes integration between its liberal arts departments and its professional degrees in the arts, business, education, nursing, and physical education. Its primary mission is to educate students for lives of thoughtful inquiry, service, leadership, and care. PLU enjoys a healthy and progressive relationship with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). The University is committed to diversity, endorses the goals of equal opportunity and affirmative action, and actively seeks applications from women and persons of color. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nordgrle.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 380 bytes Desc: Card for Layne Nordgren Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/20000710/7244e69b/nordgrle.vcf From peterson at amigos.org Mon Jul 10 14:23:55 2000 From: peterson at amigos.org (peterson@amigos.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:45:05 2005 Subject: WRAP Attribute for Forms Message-ID: There probably is an easy answer for this, but I can't seem to find it. I'm getting ready to teach the creation of forms for librarians. I was re-checking the standard and ran into a brick wall. I see references in books and on web sites for WRAP being used in the