From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Sat May 16 14:01:01 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:30 2005 Subject: Style Sheets In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980515193406.007e6100@pop.amigo.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 May 1998, Jeff Bobicki wrote: > 2) Style is nice ... but using this technique shuts out a VERY large > percentage of browsers today. I'm not sure what you mean here. Browsers that do not support style sheets are perfectly comfortable ignoring a tag in the like this: The cardinal rule of browsers is "if you see a tag you don't recognize, ignore it". It *isn't* "if you see a tag you don't recognize, crash". What we *do* need to be careful of is browsers or browser versions that do a poor job of implementing style sheets, and therefore may see something in the style sheet it doesn't like. That's why for now I've only implemented styles on the Web4Lib Web site until I've been able to test for compatibility. But browsers that don't understand style sheets at all are perfectly happy displaying the documents as they always have. So far I've not detected any compatibility problems, but I would appreciate reports from any of you on any problems you have with documents at the Web4Lib site at: http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/ Also, I wanted to throw in two cents related to what Karen Schneider asked: >So, one question may be, how can we produce stylesheets with maximum >accuracy, ease and flexibility? In following up on one of the CSS resources that Thomas Dowling kindly posted for our assistance, I discovered a tool that got me going with style sheets literally within minutes. It is called the "Core CSS Development Interface" and is produced by Todd Fahrner of Verso. It is available at: http://style.verso.com/stylist.html It can be fun to play around with until you find a combination you like, then you can display the resulting style sheet and drop it on your server. Unfortunately that doesn't provide the kind of "safe serving" capability that the Verso server provides, with modules being withheld from browsers that are not compatible with them, but software such as that may soon become more available. As time goes on, there are likely to be other such quick-start tools, as well as stylesheet editors that make it easier. Roy From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Sat May 16 14:14:40 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:30 2005 Subject: Response to comments Message-ID: Wow! There is so much here to on which I want to comment that I don't know where to start, so I won't. What I *will* do is give my standard advice whenever someone starts giving a lot of markup and site management advice. Since there are many differences of opinion on this activity, as there are in almost any field of endeavor, it's a good idea to go look at the site of the person giving you the advice (such as http://www.banjo.com/ in this case). If the site reflects what you believe to be good practice, then pay attention to the advice. If it doesn't, then don't. This can be a highly personal thing, as we know from the diversity of sites out there. So judge for yourself. Thanks, Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:44:01 -0700 From: Bob Cherry To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Response to comments I've been reading the current commentary and have been somewhat interested in the dialog on CSS (Style Sheets), ADA guidelines, site management use of frames and broken links. I'd like to share some of my experiences with you so hopefully you'll benefit from my learning -- most of which was by making mistakes:) Your web pages should be fun and fresh and entertaining. Guidelines and such actually limit you and do not allow for creative expression. One soon realizes that they cannot control all of the users and browsers in the market. Everything from Lynx (totally text based) to the latest MSIE4 and Netscape Communicator 4.x, must be capable of reading your web site or you tune out readers. The basic rule of any web site is to keep it simple if you want everybody to be able to view or read it. Plug ins, special features etc. always eliminate somebody on the outside from seeing the inside. Style Sheets -- Drop them like a hot rock. There is a better and more universal approach which achieves the same thing and will work with any browser. The concept of template files. These are basic blank HTML files which you insert your content into. They have already defined the background, horizontal graphics, fonts, etc. These will allow you to quickly add pages and maintain a consistent look and feel to every page on your site. It makes your site have a unique style and identity. I use these on my web site and its clearly evident as I have over 500 HTML pages and they all have a consistent look and feel. It also speeds up the addition of new pages. You need a set of graphics you'll always use and maybe even a background image. Make sure you always put in alternate text for every graphic. As for
etc., not every browser treats these uniquely and some don't do anything with these tags. They will become more predominant in the future but not right now. Check out http://www.htmlgoodies.com/html_ref.html for what to use and not use. This is an excellent reference for HTML. One last comment, if you're going to teach CSS and think that you want to support it, teach it now so that content creators will be ready for it when its reach constitutes a significant market share. Don't try and play catchup. ADA Guidelines -- Set your own standards! Web sites which are unique and have a fresh appearance will keep your patrons coming back. If they all look the same and act the same, they become boring. Every book, article, and document on successful web sites recommends avoiding global guidelines. If libraries come up with standards and guidelines for web sites, they should consider that each library may have a unique target audience (legal, medical, public, K12, educational, etc.) and their pages should reflect their purpose. For accessibility, use Bobby as was mentioned earlier. This is a great package and it isn't that difficult to make your pages compliant. One area I've had a great deal of difficulty with is forms and CGI. Packages like Bobby don't work with these very well. Fonts (Funky Old Nasty Things) -- Try and stick with browser standard fonts. If the reader doesn't have the specific font on their system, it won't display properly. HTML is a markup language and not a Page Description Language like Postscript, Interpress, etc. The user may define the look and feel of their environment and if they are visually impaired, your changing of fonts may make your pages hard to read. I believe its OK to change font sizes but try and avoid changing the family (font name) of the font. If you want expression, make and create a graphic instead (remember the alternate text) and use that. This way, the reader doesn't require the font on their system and you don't need to include it with the document page. Broken Links and Roving Sites -- These are a royal pain for any web site which has links to other sites. It also teaches you that if you want to be found, don't move :) Often a site keeps moving or changing its URL so that one needs to constantly spend time and resources updating links. It isn't your fault but rather, the fault of those who keep changing. I have a rule on my site that if a site moves twice in one year, its history as far as links are concerned. I drop quite a few every month but, I also add new ones. This is both beneficial and detrimental but, it helps keep the site accurate and less of a site management nightmare. Alas, managing broken links is made easy by various site management aids such as LinkBot, Crystal Site Updater, HoTMetaL Pro's site manager and many others. These all basically do the same thing... They verify your links directly through the web. I highly recommend them! Finding Your Site and Search Engines -- A whole document could be written about this subject but alas, there are basically three things to consider for making your web site aware to search engines. 1. Register them. Use tools like www.submit-it.com and the home page "add URL" function on the main search engines. 2. Use META tags to define your content. 3. Maintain two text files in your root directory: a. robots.txt b. site.idx These will all aid your site and will automatically manage your updates for you. A real treat. Note that CGI pages are never indexed however ISINDEX pages can be. Something to consider when planning your site. The web has all the info you need on these and some is referenced by the above URL. Page Layout -- Although High Resolution displays are used almost universally today, most folks still run them at low resolution. Thus, every web page should be viewable on a 640 x 480 display. Dumb, yes but, its a necessity. So, what you want to do is define some site limits. Tables and graphics (horizontal lines, etc.) should be limited to 580 pixels wide. I use 540 so things look centered nicely but 580 is a good hard limit. Limit the vertical to 360 pixels since browsers may have rows of menu buttons on them. If it looks nice there, any size will look nice if its planned out properly. Frames -- I had them and spent so much time reading complaint mail that they are now history. I haven't had frames on my pages in over 2 years. I don't miss them nor their management and I find that I can do everything I want without them. I prefer script (vbscript, javascript, etc.) or CGI which is mostly written in Perl. Invisible Tables are a great alternative also and allow a lot of flexibility in placing objects on your pages. Try it as they are very low overhead and give a lot of flexibility. Web Activity and Usage -- Analog is a good program and is easily customized. You may make it look unique very easily so that it matches your site's look and feel. Just a few minor edits to the code and maybe changing the graphics will do it. Track only what's important to you. You don't have to graph everything. On a site like mine that gets 30,000 hits a day, you need to conserve CPU time in generating these. Keep them around monthly, quarterly or annually. Print them out before you clear your logs. There are other tools out there which are also great at trending reports and usage statistics. WebTrends and similar packages can help you out but they aren't free like Analog. I use different tools for different jobs but, you'll soon find out what you need and don't need. Play with it and don't be afraid to change things. Final Comments -- HTML Editor Packages. There are many of these and I've found that SoftQuad's HoTMetaL Pro 4 is a good buy. It includes Bobby, Graphics tools, HTML Validation, the ability to import various file formats and fully supports templates. There are a lot of other perks with it also. FrontPage is also common but it doesn't generate as good of HTML as does HoTMetaL Pro. Some editors fill up your pages with   characters and garbage; don't end list items or paragraphs

and allow illegal nesting of tags. Beware of these! Browsers. Basically there are three that your pages must work with... a. Netscape b. MS Internet Explorer c. Opera If your pages look good with ALL of these, then they work and should keep your readers happy. Copyright Infringement is one area that really bugs me. I spend a great deal of time and money (software purchases) to keep my sites graphics unique and pleasing. I often find other site using my graphics and audio files (midi) and that isn't right. Take the time to build your own and don't go and copy them from somebody elses site. Sure its easy but, it isn't right. Last of all, HAVE FUN! Creating web sites is a LOT of FUN and allows anybody to be creative and to express their purpose or ideas. Try and not fall into canned or predefined rules as they will limit you in trying to achieve what you want to do. My site breaks almost all the rules but, over time, I've figured out what I can and cannot get away with. My home page is almost totally graphical and uses a CGI based menu to navigate around in it. Probably not a good idea to start with but, in my case and with my audience, it works. I'm a webmaster for numerous Global Fortune 1000 corporations, www.banjo.com, and numerous others, I'd like to share some of my experience with all of this. I have also been a worldwide network consultant and am currently working for one of America's biggest network service providers. My web site was the 7th ever in the world. This stuff isn't new to me. I was also co-author of Librowse, a free web browser designed totally for libraries. So, if you got this far and want to see my site, its at http://www.banjo.com and is a bluegrass music site. Thanks for your time. Bob Cherry Internet and Networking Consultant From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri May 1 06:00:00 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Message-ID: <199805011000.GAA09805@ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. 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If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From jhouser at detroit.lib.mi.us Fri May 1 10:04:54 1998 From: jhouser at detroit.lib.mi.us (John C. Houser) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Detroit Public Library Network Design and Consulting RFP Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980501100454.009f3d70@dimple.detroit.lib.mi.us> The Detroit Public Library is requesting proposals to help it complete its goal of providing high speed, TCP/IP network access to all library branches and departments. The first RFP to be posted as part of this project is now available at http://www.detroit.lib.mi.us/is/network_design_rfp.htm This RFP requests proposals for network design and consulting services only. For more information, please contact John C. Houser Assistant Director for Information Systems Detroit Public Library (313) 833-4501 * Fax (313) 832-0877 jhouser@detroit.lib.mi.us -- John C. Houser Assistant Director for Information Systems Detroit Public Library (313) 833-4501 * Fax (313) 832-0877 jhouser@detroit.lib.mi.us From hj97 at dial.pipex.com Fri May 1 11:51:21 1998 From: hj97 at dial.pipex.com (Eric Sandelands) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: New virtual university articles Message-ID: <3549EF79.58D6@dial.pipex.com> Dear all Issue 2 Part 1 of the Virtual University Journal is now online at: http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/vuj/welcome.htm The newly published papers are: 1. Content Design Frameworks For Internet Studies Curricula And Research R.William Maule, Ph.D. 2. PEDAGOGY, GRAMMARS AND ART: towards art and design higher education strategies D. Bruton The abstracts follow. ABSTRACTS ---------- Content Design Frameworks For Internet Studies Curricula And Research R.William Maule, Ph.D. This article examines instructional frameworks for university-level education in Internet content design. Examined are academic constructs, philosophies and strategies from two disciplines traditionally associated with content - herein denied as instructional science and informational studies. These approaches are then extended into a curricula paradigm for academic studies in Internet content design. The intent of the article is to begin dialog on the development of university-level curricula and degree programs in Internet Studies. -- PEDAGOGY, GRAMMARS AND ART: towards art and design higher education strategies D. Bruton The impact of computational grammatical design on pedagogy has received little attention in art education due to the dominant modes of traditional approaches to art and design education. This paper explores the pedagogical implications of grammatical strategies using computers for judgements of design within an art educational setting that uses generic graduate qualities as a starting point. Grammatical strategies are studied for their effect on the judgements of novice artists in a new media educational context. It is argued that concepts of grammar and views of contingency are used in a variety of senses in the conception and form making of artists; that finding methods for discussing and utilising complex visual information is aided by grammatical formalisation; that these strategies are evidently effective at both early and mature stages of the realisation of a project. Relations between computers and art contain three levels in which grammar is used: as a sense of grammar, as a computational paradigm and as a description of a kind of computer program. Grammatical formalism is apparent in two dimensional linear and non-linear animations using Photoshop, Premiere and Director, and in solid modelling programs such as Extreme 3D, Form Z, Strata Studio Pro, 3D Studio Max and SoftImage. Web site construction also impacts on the judgements of 2D and 3D design. Computational grammatical programs generate forms that reflect alternative understandings of art and design. Art practise is defined in terms of developing consistent and appropriate design language for the contingency at hand. Form making using grammatical tools, both recursive and array types, is discussed in terms of their applicability and educative value. Reference is made to formal qualities for critique and strategic capability of alternative pedagogy for generation of forms. Examples provided show how simple rule sets develop into complex derivational sequences that challenge traditional strategies for computer imaging. For novice artists and designers, grammars in conjunction with reflective practice offers a useful mind set that supports an interest in actively defining a new kind of art. -- SAMPLE PAPER ------------ Assessing Student Perceptions of Electronic Lectures in Marketing John Milliken FREE ACCESS TO FULL-TEXT ONLINE http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/vuj/welcome.htm Toffler once said that change was the only constant and this has been evidenced in the implementation of the 1988 Education Reform Act which introduced a series of dynamic forces that are restructuring education in the United Kingdom. A central tenet of government policy was that the extension of customer choice would lead to improved quality, which was the reflection of the declared determination to open education to the competitive forces of the market place. This paper attempts to show how a university lecturer responded to these changes against a backdrop of increased student numbers, a reduction in available resource. This was while maintaining a belief that the aim of higher education was for the personal development of the individual student. This belief led to the development of structured lectures using a computer based teaching approach. Eric Sandelands VUP International http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/ From jacks at cs.wisc.edu Fri May 1 11:30:38 1998 From: jacks at cs.wisc.edu (Jack Solock) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: "Niche" Indexes on the Web? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're after, but, hopefully, there will be some leads for you here. Below you will find a selected list of indexes to literature and bibliogrphies compiled for the Scout Report and Subject Specific Scout Reports since October of 1996. I have tried to narrow them to just institutional products (there are also some excellent individual efforts). Some of them have search interfaces and some do not. All of them, I believe, are excellent. The first URL for each is to the Scout Report annotation on the resource. The second URL is to the resource itself. As of two weeks ago, all of the URLs worked. Hope this helps Jack Jack Solock jacks@cs.wisc.edu Internet Librarian--Internet Scout Project 608-262-6606 Editor--The Scout Report and Subject Specific Scout Reports Dept. of Computer Sciences University of Wisconsin-Madison http://www.cs.wisc.edu/scout -- Internet Scout Project Home Page ======================================================== Bibliographical Society of Virginia: Studies In Bibliography Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-980306.html#1 Site: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/bsuva/sb/ gender Inn: Women's and Gender Studies Database Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-980313.html#6 Site: http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/englisch/datenbank/e_index.htm New Books in Nineteenth-Century Studies Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980324txt.html#18 Site: http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/english/19c/newbooks.html Recommended Readings on the Ancient Near East Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980310txt.html#10 Site: http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/RECREAD/REC_READ.html Annotated Bibliography and Guide to Archival Resources on the History of Jewish Women in America Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971216txt.html#3 Site: http://www.library.wisc.edu/libraries/WomensStudies/jewwom/jwmain.htm Thesaurus of Geographic Names--Getty Information Institute Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-980109.html#2 Site: http://www.ahip.getty.edu/vocabulary/tgn.html Working-Class Bibliography http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980127txt.html#4 http://as.ysu.edu/as/cwcs/bib.html Bach Bibliography http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-971114.html#7 http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~tomita/bachbib.html Directory to the Subject Bibliographies in Environmental Ethics--Harvard Seminar on Environmental Values http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-971017.html#1 http://divweb.harvard.edu/csvpl/ee/bib/ Uncovering Women's History in Archival Collections http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971007txt.html#5 http://www.lib.utsa.edu/Archives/links.htm ABZU: Guide to Resources for the Study of the Ancient Near East http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970815.html#2 http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/ABZU/ABZU.HTML Center for the Study of Books in Spanish for Children and Adolescents Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970829.html#11 Site: http://www.csusm.edu/campus_centers/csb/ Doctoral Dissertations in Musicology Online (DDM) Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970725.html#5 Site: http://www.music.indiana.edu/ddm/ University of Wisconsin System Women's Studies Librarian's Office Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-960209.html#3 Site: http://www.library.wisc.edu/libraries/WomensStudies/ Beethoven Bibliographic Database (description) Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970131.html#3 Site (description): http://www.music.sjsu.edu/Beethoven/database.html Beethoven Bibliographic Database telnet://sjsulib1.sjsu.edu Handbook of Latin American Studies Online Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970124.html#2 Site: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/hlas/ AsianDOC--Asian Database Online Community Electronic Newsletter Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-980327.html#1 Site: http://asiandoc.lib.ohio-state.edu/ Bibliography for Research on International Human Rights Law Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980324txt.html#5 Site: http://www.umn.edu/humanrts/bibliog/BIBLIO.htm British Library for Development Studies (BLDS) Bibliographic Database Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980224txt.html#2 Site: http://www.ids.ac.uk/bldsdb/ Netherlands Institute for Social Sexological Research (NISSO) Database Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1998/ss-980210txt.html#1 Site: http://www.niwi.knaw.nl/guests/nisso/ndbeng.htm AIATSIS Annual Bibliography Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971216txt.html#6 Site: http://www.aiatsis.gov.au/annbib96/rannbib.htm Japan Documentation Center (JDC)--Library of Congress Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971202txt.html#5 Site: http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/jdc/ National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS) Abstracts Database Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971216txt.html#1 Site: http://www.ncjrs.org/database.htm HADDON: The online catalogue of archival ethnographic film footage 1895-1945 Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971007txt.html#6 Site: http://www.rsl.ox.ac.uk/isca/haddon/ Modern Chinese History: A Basic Bibliography Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971021.html#6 Site: http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/chinesehistory/bibliography.html SCAD Bibliographical Database--European Union Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-971017.html#5 Site: http://europa.eu.int/scad/ United Nations Documentation: Research Guide Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/socsci/1997/ss-971021txt.html#3 Site: http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/resguide/index.html Anthropological Index Online Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970905.html#5 Site: http://lucy.ukc.ac.uk/AIO.html National Longitudinal Surveys of Labor Market Experience Annotated Bibliography Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970704.html#4 Site: http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/nls-bib/bib-home.htm Peace Keeping Citation List-- Center for Defense Information (CDI) Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970718.html#4 Site: http://www.cdi.org/issues/pkcite/ Social Sciences in Forestry Bibliography Abstract: http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-970328.html#3 Site: http://www-stp.lib.umn.edu/for/bib/SSiF.html ======================================================== On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Margaret Schaus wrote: > Dear Listmembers, > > I would like to find indexes in humanities and social science subfields on > the Web that are maintained by interest groups or professional > organizations. I edit the Medieval Feminist > Index(http://www.haverford.edu/library/reference/mschaus/mfi/mfi.html), a > bibliographic database that is available free-of-charge and covers journal > articles, essays, and book reviews on women, gender, and sexuality. The > Index currently has over two thousand records for 1994-1997 publications > that are searchable by author, title, subject heading, geographic area, > century, article type, and more. > > The Web seems to me an ideal venue for specialized reference sources, > particularly for fields that are not well-served by commerical publishers. > Associations and interest groups can sponsor "niche" indexes that would > never be economically feasible in print, but can be available on a > Web site maintained by volunteers and student assistants. Because > updating is so simple, > these Web sites can be very current and can respond to users' needs > quickly. For example, the Medieval Feminist Index has over 300 records > now for 1997 publications and we will be adding 200 more 1997 records next > week. > > Are other librarians involved or contemplating similar projects? > > Yours, > Margaret Schaus > Magill Library > Haverford College > > > From smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu Fri May 1 12:15:02 1998 From: smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu (Steve Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: More Niches Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980501091502.007c2ad0@ucrac1.ucr.edu> HI Margaret, If you go to the Social Sciences/Humanities INFOMINE at: http://lib-www.ucr.edu/search/ucr_sshsearch.html and type "virtual library or indexes or bibliographies or bibliographic databases" you will find over 450 resources of various sizes and niches. Also to be VERY highly recommended is the Voice of the Shuttle at: http://humanitas.ucsb.edu:80/ Hope this helps. Steve Mitchell INFOMINE Co-coordinator From fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net Fri May 1 14:15:27 1998 From: fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net (Jennifer Long) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: computer centers for adults and children? Message-ID: <199805011815.NAA24210@lion.connect.more.net> Hello List, Our library is working on plans to build an enclosed computer center in the basement. At this time, we have our internet terminals and cd-rom resources located on the main floor near the Reference desk. We also have three Mac's in the childrens dept. dedicated to games. The current debate is whether to combine the childrens and adult computers in the same center, or keep them seperate. Has anyone else faced this issue? Any suggestions? Any help would be appreciated, on or off list. Jennifer Long Computer Services Assistant Missouri River Regional Library 214 Adams Street Jefferson City, MO 65102 From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us Fri May 1 15:02:34 1998 From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Changing view document source in Netscape 4.x Message-ID: <354A1C4A.8A21D9E6@opac.osl.state.or.us> I am trying to change the application to view the source of web pages, using Netscape 4.04. I assume that it is changed in Edit/Preferences/Navigator/Applications. I tried entering a new type called "View Source" with no MIME type and set to open WordPad. I got that idea from a Macintosh and it works on that machine using MS Word. Then I tried entering in various MIME types like "application/wordpad", "application/text", etc. None of those worked. Can someone please point me in the right direction? -- Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503.378.4246 chris@opac.osl.state.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 324 bytes Desc: Card for Christopher Adams Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980501/651d6f68/vcard.vcf From atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu Fri May 1 16:51:39 1998 From: atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu (David Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Data Missing & Netscape Nav. 4.05? Message-ID: Hello, Back in Feb., folks we're discussing "Data Missing" errors being generated by some Netscape 3.0x & 4.0x CGI sessions when you try to print a page. You can see the page fine on the screen but Print Preview reveals a "Data Missing Error." Same is true for the print out. You see a real, live page on the screen but the output is "Data Missing" I'm trying to prove a negative (ouch): Does Netscape Nav. 4.05 also generate these "data missing" errors? Has anyone encountered this problem w/ Netscape 4.05? So far, it works for me. Thanks, David Atkins ----------------------------------------------------------------- David P. Atkins Electronic Resources Librarian John C. Hodges Library atkins@aztec.lib.utk.edu The University of Tennessee me (423) 974-0014 Knoxville, Tennessee 37996 fax (423) 974-9242 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From NWEBB at ogh.on.ca Fri May 1 08:51:00 1998 From: NWEBB at ogh.on.ca (Nancy Webb) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Webmaster e-mail Message-ID: <98May1.170207edt.18435@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> This message has been cross-posted, so please forgive the duplication: At the Ottawa Hospital Library, we manage the web site for the entire hospital as well as the our own site (www.ogh.on.ca/library) As Webmaster, we receive mail from all and sundry on every imaginable topic. Some mail concerns inquiries for information about patients, and of course, this type of information cannot be released (confidentiality). We have created an automatic response (in draft form at the moment) which we believe will serve our purposes at least for the time being. But we are wondering if there are any other libraries who also function as Webmaster for their institutions, and who may have encountered a similar issue. We would be interested to know what (if any) policies you may have put in place to deal with this problem, and/or any other ideas or solutions you may have devised. Judy Levine, Librarian Ottawa General Hospital Library 501 Smyth Road, Ottawa ON Canada K1H 8L6 (613) 737-8530 Fax (613) 737-8521 jlevine@ogh.on.ca http://www.ogh.on.ca From phillips at charlie.cns.iit.edu Fri May 1 17:31:50 1998 From: phillips at charlie.cns.iit.edu (SharronManassa) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Data Missing & Netscape Nav. 4.05? References: Message-ID: <354A3F46.64C58E94@charlie.cns.iit.edu> In my experience, that error is created when the cache limits are set too low, or have not been cleared recently. Cache limits ought to be under Preferences -> Advanced -> Cache. -- ======================================================== Sharron Manassa _________________________ (312) 567-3613 phillips@charlie.cns.iit.edu ______________ Reference Department http://www.iit.edu/~phillips/ _____________ Paul V. Galvin Library http://www.gl.iit.edu _____________________ 35 W. 33rd Street http://www.iit.edu/ ______________________ Chicago, IL 60616 ======================================================== From arqinfo at shore.net Fri May 1 18:45:23 1998 From: arqinfo at shore.net (arqinfo@shore.net) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Highly Recommended Internet "How-to" Guide Message-ID: <354A5083.4277@shore.net> I've just read a book that helped me a lot and so wanted to pass the word along. I'm a librarian in a fairly small library, and was a bit intimidated by the prospect of establishing Internet access, using the Internet, and designing a library Website. Then I read a book from Neal-Schuman, "The Complete Internet Companion for Librarians" and I felt so much more confident about these undertakings that I felt compelled to share it with the list. This is a book written by a librarian (Allen C. Benson)for librarians and although it assumes a basic level of technical knowledge, is easy-to-understand and quite comprehensive. I have never seen any other book that combines so many "hot" Internet topics in one place. In addition to providing background info, it tells you what you need to do to connect to the Internet, suggests what hardware and software to use, explains how to use the Web and other Internet resources once you are up and running (including e-mail) and even includes the basics of designing your own Website! It was so convenient to find all this information in one book. I hope it helps some of you as much as it has helped me. Bernadette Frances From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri May 1 19:11:08 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Highly Recommended Internet "How-to" Guide In-Reply-To: <354A5083.4277@shore.net> Message-ID: By the way, don't look for more information on this book at Neal-Schuman's Web site under "Internet Books" (no, that makes too much sense!) -- look under "New Books". Or, better yet, here's the direct link: http://www.neal-schuman.com/cgi/bookdetail.cgi?id=252 Roy On Fri, 1 May 1998 arqinfo@shore.net wrote: > I've just read a book that helped me a lot and so wanted to pass the > word along. > > I'm a librarian in a fairly small library, and was a bit intimidated by > the prospect of establishing Internet access, using the Internet, and > designing a library Website. Then I read a book from Neal-Schuman, "The > Complete Internet Companion for Librarians" and I felt so much more > confident about these undertakings that I felt compelled to share it > with the list. This is a book written by a librarian (Allen C. > Benson)for librarians and although it assumes a basic level of technical > knowledge, is easy-to-understand and quite comprehensive. > > I have never seen any other book that combines so many "hot" Internet > topics in one place. In addition to providing background info, it tells > you what you need to do to connect to the Internet, suggests what > hardware and software to use, explains how to use the Web and other > Internet resources once you are up and running (including e-mail) and > even includes the basics of designing your own Website! It was so > convenient to find all this information in one book. I hope it helps > some of you as much as it has helped me. > > Bernadette Frances > From fonmee at sbh.lib.edu.my Mon May 4 14:22:33 1998 From: fonmee at sbh.lib.edu.my (fonmee) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:26 2005 Subject: Multi Purpose Room Message-ID: <354E0769.5A31EBA7@sbh.lib.edu.my> Hello All, I have this problem to solve. There was once that our section book the Multi Purpose Room, but it was being book by another section. Is there anyway to prevent this? Our department has a network, and got PC connected to the Internet. Maybe we just need a software to let all others see the schedule and book it online. Thank you in advance for your answers. -- Chung Fon Mee Librarian Sabah State Library http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my From pwevans at biblio-tech.com Mon May 4 04:06:26 1998 From: pwevans at biblio-tech.com (Peter Evans) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Biblio Tech Review: April Message-ID: <354D7702.54A6DD89@biblio-tech.com> The April "issue" of Biblio-Tech Review is now on the Web: http://www.biblio-tech.com Contents include: * CARLweb v 2 released * Cairs announce Web OPAC * Planning for library automation: article * Hoax mail * Why PCs crash and lots more! -- Peter Evans: Editor: Biblio Tech Review, 24, Old Sneed Avenue, Bristol, BS9 1SE UK. http://www.biblio-tech.com tel/fax: +44(0)117-904-7203 e-mail: pwevans@biblio-tech.com From kerryma at ozemail.com.au Mon May 4 21:18:13 1998 From: kerryma at ozemail.com.au (Kerry Snelgrove) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980504211813.30ff2bea@ozemail.com.au> Hello there > Would anyone have any ideas on preparing business plans for Libraries > in a > commercial environment? I manage a 'Business Information Centre' in > the > wholesale area of a large bank and need to produce such a document > Kerry From vince_wright at snet.net Mon May 4 11:02:39 1998 From: vince_wright at snet.net (Vincent Wright) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Business Plans References: <3.0.5.16.19980504211813.30ff2bea@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <354DD88F.3436@snet.net> Kerry, The Small Business Administration has a wealth of business plans which you may be able to customize for your purposes. Click here to reach them: http://www.sba.gov/ Vincent Wright Director Technical Recruiting http://www.ipa.com/eoffice/860-568-4405.html Kerry Snelgrove wrote: > > Hello there > > Would anyone have any ideas on preparing business plans for Libraries > > in a > > commercial environment? I manage a 'Business Information Centre' in > > the > > wholesale area of a large bank and need to produce such a document > > Kerry From ykong at vsla.edu Mon May 4 11:29:43 1998 From: ykong at vsla.edu (Yi Kong) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Help on modem needed Message-ID: <199805041529.LAA11345@vlinsvr.vsla.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 670 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980504/f3cb2612/attachment.bat From majola at jps.net Mon May 4 12:32:23 1998 From: majola at jps.net (majola) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: computer centers for adults and children? References: <199805011815.NAA24210@lion.connect.more.net> Message-ID: <354DED97.C0657A76@jps.net> Jennifer Long wrote: > The current debate is whether to combine the childrens and adult computers > in the same center, or keep them seperate. > > Jennifer Long > Computer Services Assistant > Missouri River Regional Library > Hi Jennifer, Separating the children's computers from the adults' depends a lot on space available, staffing resources and numbers of computers. If you have the space to do a both/and approach, I would favor having half or at least a couple of the childrens' computers in the children's secton of the library. However , since many computer-interested adults arrive accompanied by like interested children, it may be helpful to have at least several children's computers near the adult ones so that parents who want to keep an eye on or help their kids while using the computers themselves. This also may be a way of keeping the monitoring of children's behavior where the responsibility truly lies; on their parents. An age restriction, limiting the usage to upper elementary might be placed on the group included in the lab setting when adults are present. If classes are offered in your computer lab, having computers there for children would allow for a rich curriculum of child-oriented classes on exploring all the possibilities of computers in the world of information science and other computing aspects. It would offer an atmosphere not possible to devise in the upstairs or regular library setting. An added benefit of having children's computers in the adult lab is that at about 10 years old most kids are whizzes and may be useful as 'lab assistants' :} While I started saying this as a bit of humor, I've found kids to be extremely helpful and adept at resolving many computer 'glitches' . They are proud to share their skills and it is beneficial, under structured circumstances, to celebrate these proficiencies in our children. This provides an oppotunity for healthy inter-generational exchange in an area where kids really shine. (Of course this kind of exchange must be closely staff monitored.) The flip side is that parents or other adults might not wish to have children present at all, your sense of the 'style' of your community is probably the most important factor, also it is crucial to evaluate how prepared your computer lab staff might be in working with mixed age groups. It might be advisable to have 'children's hours and adult hours' in the lab (just like there are adult swims in a public pool for example)_ That's probably too much, but I got started brainstorming. Hope some of this helps. Marcia @ Tukqila From kambitsch at DAYTON.LIB.OH.US Mon May 4 12:46:23 1998 From: kambitsch at DAYTON.LIB.OH.US (Tim Kambitsch) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: How to diable Netscape Security Button References: Message-ID: <354DF0DE.14DAE63F@dayton.lib.oh.us> James Cayz wrote: > All, > The Netscape Security Button is particularly insidious. > So, I guess the question still stands - any way to kill _just_ the > button (not the whole bar), or make the file it affects unchangeable, even > to Netscape? I don't know how to kill just a button within Netscape, but here is an alternative way to control the security and certificate information: If you are really crazy like me and you use a C++ resource editor, and you dig really deep into Netscape's resdll.dll file under the resource called STRING TABLE. You will find some imbedded HTML tags and other strings that are used to generate each of the Security links found when you open the security button. (i.e. Javascript, Certificates, Cryptogrphic Modules, etc.) They have ids in the String Table in the range of 31521-31550 in Netscape Navigator Standalone v.4.04. If you replace the caption with a commented out caption, then the securuity choices are hidden from the user since those strings are a part of a generated html window. For instance try changing string id for the value 31527 From: Certificates To: When you re-open the broswer with this change in effect. Certificates is no longer a choice. I removed all options except "Security Info" but I also found somewhere the html string for the button "Get Certificates." So what's left if a pretty bland list display. Does this make Netscape unstable? I don't know. Would I really recommend this to everyone? Probably not. Am I using this? Yep, on about 65 workstations.. . Visit: http://www.dayton.lib.oh.us/~kambitsch/netscape-hacks.html This has more tips on how to abuse Netscape. Tim Kambitsch Dayton & Montgomery County Public Library From dharmon at starbase1.htls.lib.il.us Mon May 4 16:19:44 1998 From: dharmon at starbase1.htls.lib.il.us (Dianne Harmon) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Documenting Web Site Message-ID: I can't seem to find this subject in the archives (got so distracted following links for what I did find that I almost forgot to post this question). How do you -- or do you -- document your own web site? I started with a hard copy printout of all the pages. I added to the file everytime we changed something. We are committed to updating twice/month (not too bad since the person handling this is really my young adult librarian who likes to do web sites). Dianne Harmon dharmon@htls.lib.il.us Associate Director 815-740-2660 or Joliet Public Library 815-740-2679 150 N. Ottawa fax 815-740-6161 Joliet IL 60432 www.htls.lib.il.us/JPB From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Mon May 4 19:43:42 1998 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Paint Shop Pro Q's Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980504234342.23572396@glenpub.lib.az.us> Hello list, I downloaded PSP and have been trying it out. A few questions: What is the distinction between "Resize" and "Resample"? Technically, I know what each term means, but with the image I was using as a test I got the same appearance when I resampled as I got when I resized. Upon resizing aforementioned image (a GIF line drawing of our library), I got considerable jaggies where previously I had none. Though I realize this is an inevitable artifact of a process that reduces bits in a rasterized image, does PSP provide a good tool for dejagging? I tried the resident tools and none worked too well (there's a smoothing function, for exampe). Did I miss something? Can I reprocess a GIF in PSP to make it transparent? (Couldn't find this, either.) Yeah, yeah, I should probably just buy it, get the manual, and read it. Benighted in Ariz., I am, Gratefully yours, Joe PS. Private replies probably appropriate on this one . . . ------------------- Joe Schallan Reference Librarian Glendale Public Library Glendale, Arizona, USA From bobicki at amigo.net Mon May 4 20:54:48 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Netscape Security Button Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980504185448.0082b390@pop.amigo.net> Hi James and everybody ! There is no way to remove just that button. I did spend a great deal of time with this issue and really saw it as no threat but you may have found a hole I did not see. I thought this button was annoying but not a problem for the following reasons: 1) The Librowse shortcut on the desktop "forces Java" to turn on regardless of what the patron did during the previous session. 2) All of the relevent pages are "replaced from the secure area" at each Librowse startup so the patron can not harm anything. 3) The "magic" pages that are used are stored in the "personal web server root" which should be unavailable to the patron anyway. What / where is this MAC or NIC address (8 16bit hex code) you refer to ?? I will look into it and see what I can do. I may be able to "grey out" that section making it unavailable for modification by the patron. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System At 12:50 AM 5/3/98 -0400, James Cayz wrote: >All, > > (I've Cc'ed Jeff Bobicki, the author of LibBrowse, to this). > > The Netscape Security Button is particularly insidious. If you >are using a product like LibBrowse, then Security / Java/Javascript allows >the abusive patron to see and _delete_ two entries - one is the page that >does some of the magic, and another, that looks like a MAC or NIC address >(8 16bit hex code). Deleting the former is not so bad. Deleting the >latter causes your browser to not accept any Java at all (or something >similar), until you reload Netscape (and LibBrowse) all over again. Not >exactly the thing you want library staff to have to do often.... > > I must say, that between a combination of WinU 4, Netscape 4.03, >LibBrowse, and some JavaScript, even I am getting happy about producing a >"bullet-proof" Internet Access Station that meets all my requirements... >(Don't ask, the list of requirements is far too long). > > So, I guess the question still stands - any way to kill _just_ the >button (not the whole bar), or make the file it affects unchangeable, even >to Netscape? CCK is not an option - as a State Agency, we can not agree >to the Netscape licensing for this product, even though it is _free_... > > Thanks in Advance. > > James Cayz > >+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ >[ James Cayz # cayz@lib.de.us # Del-AWARE homepage: http://www.lib.de.us ] >[ Network Processing Administrator # 302-739-4748 x130 # Fax 302-739-6948 ] >[ Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 ] >+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Brian D. Jennison wrote: >>Some patrons have been fooling around with the security button in our >>Netscape 4.03 browsers on our public Internet stations. They like to set >> >>(We have already explored removing the whole button bar but decided against >>it. And we have yet to find a way to remove only specific buttons on that >>bar. Does the CCK allow for that?) > > ---------------------------------------- From bobicki at amigo.net Mon May 4 21:05:25 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Netscape Security Button Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980504190525.007dc2a0@pop.amigo.net> Jeff, Ok, perhaps this is something I "created" in serving the "unsigned" docs across the wire rather than locally - I'm not sure, but it might be... Yes James ... I think this is something you made. I have tried everything and I even resorted to my Gurus that tested Librowse during the Beta ... None of us can replicate your problem ... at all. Sorry ... we don't think the problem exists. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System From cherry at banjo.com Mon May 4 22:18:11 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Netscape Security Button In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980504185448.0082b390@pop.amigo.net> Message-ID: Hi all! Well, as a co-producer/developer of librowse, I wanted to make some comments... The MAC/Internet address being referred to by James Cayz, which supposedly the user can delete, is wrong information. The MAC address is in HARDWARE! That's right, it is burned into the actual Ethernet Controller which provides your Internet connection. If you dialup, its provided by the Comm Server you dial into -- its not even on your system. This hex address gives the actual ethernet controller a unique ID and is used for routing and other network applications. It is NOT your actual IP address. It cannot be deleted or changed by any software application that a typical user would have access to, including Netscape. Netscape can not change this value. The second point I'd like to make is that many changes to security require that the browser be restarted. Restarting the browser will automatically restore all the proper files and abandon all the security changes anyway. Thus, I do not see this as a problem at all. All configuration parameters will be restored between patron sessions. If librowse is installed the way its distributed and none of the distribution files or directories are changed it will work as advertised. We don't allow changes during installation. The install files are digitally signed and the installation is not manual - its done by an install program to insure proper installation. Any modifications to the configuration files, java and javascript or digitally signed files will probably result in abnormal behavior of the software or, even worse, librowse may not work at all. We will not support modified files or changes in installations. I don't know what James Cayz objective was in sending all this confusion was but, the information is misleading and deceptive and, its all wrong. Its a shame it was distributed to such a wide audience. Bob Cherry Internet Networking Consultant From eroche at sisnaaz.com Mon May 4 18:14:01 1998 From: eroche at sisnaaz.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: [NET-LAWYERS] USA Today poll on Library Internet Filtering (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980504151401.007e9200@mail.sisnaaz.com> >From my net-lawyers newsgroup: FYI- Elisabeth Roche Roche Limits eroche@sisnaaz.com serendipity RULES! ---fwd original message--- At 11:57 AM 4/30/98 -0700, Cumbow, Robert-SEA wrote: > >Mainstream Loudon v. Board of Trustees of Loudon County Public Library, >Civil Action No. 97-2049-A (E.D.Va. 4/7/97): Loudoun County, Virginia >residents' suit, joined by ACLU, challenged as violative of First >Amendment rights the local library's use of filtering software to block >access to sexually explicit Internet sites. Court found library >unentitled to immunity as a quasi-legislative entity, nor to 11th >Amendment immunity, nor to qualified immunity. In addition, court held >that the "safe harbor" provisions of the Communication Decency Act, >successfully invoked in Zeran v. AOL, apply only to Internet and online >service providers, and could not be extended to a public library >service. Subsequently settled, with Library agreeing to provide >unfiltered as well as filtered Internet connections at the library. This summary glosses over the wonderful discussion of First Amendment implications in Judge Brinkema's decision. More important, the case most certainly has *not* settled. (Perhaps the author is confusing the agreement reached between ACLU and Kern County, CA, before lawsuit filed). Loudoun County case probably will go to trial in about September. BTW, the original post had a number of links, but for those interested in following the case, its easier just to bookmark the site of defense attorneys devoted to the case, at http://www.venable.com/ORACLE/oracle14.htm. Updated fairly regularly with new filings, etc., with little editorial comment beyond the court papers themselves. -Jim _________________________________________ Listowner: Lewis Rose, lewrose@arentfox.com Archives: http://eva.dc.lsoft.com/Archives/net-lawyers.html BNA invites you to try BNA's Electronic Information Policy & Law Report, a service devoted to the emerging law of cyberspace. Email rstearns@bna.com for a 5-week free print trial subscription. Or visit http://www.bna.com/newsstand for free electronic trial. (Assistance: 1-800-452-7773, 202-452-4323) ROCHE LIMITS (520)320-5933 Elisabeth Roche SPECIALIZING IN CUSTOM ON-LINE PUBLICITY, PROMOTIONS, MARKETING mailto:eroche@opus1.com From fonmee at sbh.lib.edu.my Tue May 5 14:42:18 1998 From: fonmee at sbh.lib.edu.my (fonmee) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Microsoft Active Server Pager Message-ID: <354F5D8A.720B398A@sbh.lib.edu.my> Hello All, Have u heard of Microsoft Active Server Pager? Where can I get information about it? Thank you. -- Chung Fon Mee Librarian Sabah State Library http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my From lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Tue May 5 06:19:25 1998 From: lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK (Pam Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: WWW VL conferences listing Message-ID: <29EC6112AB4@library.novell.leeds.ac.uk> The conferences listing from WWW Virtual Library seems to have disappeared - neither the URL given on the US ( http://www.fisk.edu/vl/Overview.html ) site http://www.iao.fhg.de/Library/conferences/ nor the different one http://conferences.rpd.net/ from the UK ( http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/VL/AlphaVL.html ) mirror site has been working for a few weeks. Ayone know where it's gone? And on the same topic, what general conferences listings do you include in local gateways etc? Our site lists the elusive WWW VL page, NISS's service at http://www.niss.ac.uk/noticeboard/event/conf.html and Scholarly Societies Project at http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/society/meetings.html and I'm about to add Trade Show Central at http://www.tscentral.com/ Am I missing out anything really useful, across the whole subject spread? Pam -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pam Davies, Senior Assistant Librarian, Edward Boyle Library, University of Leeds, LEEDS LS2 9JT, UK mailto:p.m.davies@leeds.ac.uk phone: 0113 233 5543 fax: 0113 233 5539 From bork at plb.de Tue May 5 08:49:38 1998 From: bork at plb.de (H. Bork) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Documenting Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Dianne Harmon wrote: []How do you -- or do you -- document your own web site? I started with a []hard copy printout of all the pages. I added to the file everytime we []changed something. We are committed to updating twice/month (not too bad []since the person handling this is really my young adult librarian who []likes to do web sites). Hello Dianne and all, to me backup or copy seems to be a good alternative. Thus all data can be used immediately upon restauration including links. Backups/copies can be repeated any time, irrespective of how many days may have gone since last time and they can easily be restricted to pages that have been changed. While a printer would cut an HTML file in two or three pages any backup keeps the complete files. Easily feasible copies are one of the real advantages in this digital age, I guess kind regards, hal :-) From jfiga at charlie.cns.iit.edu Tue May 5 09:45:01 1998 From: jfiga at charlie.cns.iit.edu (Jan Figa) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Microsoft Active Server Pager In-Reply-To: <354F5D8A.720B398A@sbh.lib.edu.my> Message-ID: Try http://www.iit.edu/~jfiga/ASP/asp.html Cheers, jan -------------------------- On Mon, 4 May 1998, fonmee wrote: > Hello All, > > Have u heard of Microsoft Active Server Pager? > Where can I get information about it? > > Thank you. > > -- > Chung Fon Mee > Librarian > Sabah State Library > http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my > > From msauers at bcr.org Tue May 5 10:18:33 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Microsoft Active Server Pager In-Reply-To: <354F5D8A.720B398A@sbh.lib.edu.my> Message-ID: > Have u heard of Microsoft Active Server Pager? > Where can I get information about it? What you looking for it Active Server Pages, not pager. These are genarally HTML documents with .asp extensins instead of .html. Most of Microsoft's own site runs these pages. Go to microsoft.com and search for Active Server Pages. I'm sure they'll give you more info then you'll even need to know. Also, I believe ZDUniversity will be starting a class on creating .asp in the near future. Michael Sauers msauers@bcr.org Internet Trainer (personal) www.llv.com/~msauers/ Bibliographic Center for Research (BCR) (business) www.bcr.org All opinions expressed are just my own unless otherwise noted. From sgagne at auburnschl.edu Tue May 5 10:17:17 1998 From: sgagne at auburnschl.edu (Suzanne Gagne) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Documenting Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <658108414.35416957@auburnschl.edu> Hello, I just wanted to announce we just completed our website and posted it to the web. Please visit and tell me what you think! Our Address is: http://www.auburnschl.edu/ELHS/Library/page1.html Suzanne Gagne sgagne@auburnschl.edu ED Tech III Edward Little High School Auburn, ME. This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. From sgagne at auburnschl.edu Tue May 5 10:17:17 1998 From: sgagne at auburnschl.edu (Suzanne Gagne) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Announcement!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86376447.35463657@auburnschl.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 375 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980505/0e980538/attachment.bin From hyman at sjrlc.org Tue May 5 12:28:27 1998 From: hyman at sjrlc.org (hyman@sjrlc.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: computer centers for adults and children? In-Reply-To: <199805011815.NAA24210@lion.connect.more.net> Message-ID: >From a policy and public relations point of view, I would keep children's and adult computers separate. Children's terminals in the children's department are more easily seen as an extension of your other children's services and less intimidating to parents than mixing the kids in with adults exercising their constutionally protected right to look at babepix.com. It also makes it easier to test or implement different policies (filtering? monitoring?) for kids and adults. The fun is figuring out the minimum age for using the adult terminals, enforcing it, and deciding what to do with preteens who don't want to sit in the Humpty Dumpty room. The following is a recent post to PUBLIB in the same area: >From hyman@sjrlc.org Tue May 5 12:25:30 1998 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: hyman@sjrlc.org To: publib@webjunction.org Cc: hyman Subject: Protecting Children I am back from doing two trustee workshops on Internet policy in two weeks in two states -- Pennsylvania and Iowa (on their great fiber-optics network) -- and catching up on PUBLIB. A big concern of public library trustees in both states was what to say to parents who ask how we will protect children in the library. The absolute answer, (reflected in some recent discussion on PUBLIB) is short -- we can't and, by the way, we never could. Deep down, people already know that neither policies nor children are bulletproof, so they are clearly searching for a different kind of answer. Study after study says that people love libraries and they love libraries for their children. I would think 50 times before saying anything that turns parents into the enemy, that baldly states that the library isn't (or wasn't ever) a safe place for children, or infers that anyone who doesn't want their eight-year-old to see cybersluts.com at the library is a right-wing nutcase. (Yeah, I know that "protecting children" is the first refuge of scoundrels, but some people actually have children that they want to protect). I empathize with parents who are trying to walk the fine line between scaring their kids and leaving them unaware of what can happen and how they can get help. (I remember doing a particularly lame job of it myself). In some ways libraries are walking a similar fine line between a harsh reality (there is no such thing as a safe place and the library is a public building that attracts it's share of pedophiles, perverts, etc., over and above what your child might see on the Internet) and a powerful mythology (the library is a place in which children can study, read, explore, and have fun with a higher degree of safety and autonomy than many other public spaces). We know that the myth has been a reality and a cherished memory for many of us, for every non-librarian who speaks at a library conference and tells us the obligatory "how I used the library as a child story", for parents who would like to have this same experience for their own children, and for elected officials who fund libraries. This image has served us well and we trample on it at our own peril. I would certainly not fail to warn -- maybe with a combination list of safety rules for the Internet AND kids using the library on their own. And I certainly would encourage parents to accompany their children to the library or even require it for the very young. I would be frank about how the Internet at the library adds to the continuing challenge to preserve the library's essential role in a democracy at the same time that we are responsive to the sensitivities of our users of all ages. I'd provide specifics about how the library is addressing that issue (e.g.our computer center is arranged to provide users with freedom from overview of materials they choose to access and to protect others from public display of materials that they may find offensive for themselves and/or their children). But the FIRST thing I'd say in answer to "what are you doing to protect my child" is the big answer. We are working hard to provide a special environment in the library for your children with books, furniture, computers, software and, most importantly, staff who are there to meet their special needs. (If this isn't true, e.g. your library has no or not enough children's librarian(s), a really inadequate children's area, or no computers especially devoted to children, this might be a good time to talk about these needs.) I would tell parents there are no perfect answers, but if we work together we can bring the wonder of new technology and the wonder of stories, books, and imagination to our children in an environment that they can treasure and remember as we have. Does this address every concern? No, it's only a beginning but I think it's a message that would resonate with the great majority of parents and a piece of the truth that our staff, trustees, and friends should remember to tell. Karen Hyman, Executive Director South Jersey Regional Library Cooperative 10 Foster Avenue, Suite F-3 Gibbsboro, NJ 08026 Phone: 609 346-1222 Fax: 609 346-2839 Email: hyman@sjrlc.org From LThompson at UH.EDU Tue May 5 12:30:15 1998 From: LThompson at UH.EDU (Linda Thompson) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Position Announcement (TX) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980505113015.00b0ae30@uhupvm1.uh.edu> UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON LIBRARIES POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT SYSTEMS LIBRARIAN Responsibilities: The University of Houston Libraries are a leader in providing state-of-the-art electronic information services. The Libraries' Electronic Publications Center has over 120 public workstations. Over 80 networked electronic information resources are available, including CD-ROM databases, Internet-accessible databases and electronic serials, the Libraries' INNOPAC online catalog and other catalogs, and the Libraries' Apache Web server. The Libraries publish an electronic journal (the PACS Review) and run the PACS-L discussion list. The Systems Librarian supports computer/network systems in the Libraries and provides programming support. Reports to the Head of Systems. Supported operating systems include AIX, IntranetWare, Linux, Solaris, Windows 95, and Windows NT. The Libraries operate a switched 10BASE-T Ethernet LAN with an FDDI backbone. Requirements: ALA accredited Master's degree; significant academic training in information technology, including HTML coding and programming in at least one high-level language such as C or C++ (or equivalent experience); excellent analytic and communications skills; a strong service commitment; the ability to work effectively in a demanding and rapidly changing environment; and a desire to master new technologies and stay current. Salary: $27,000. Comprehensive benefits package; choice of retirement programs including TIAA-CREF; tax-deferred annuity program available; released time to take a class up to 3 hours/week; no state or local income tax. Library Information: The Libraries are a member of the Association of Research Libraries, hold over 1.8 million volumes, with a current materials budget of $4.2 million. Total staff includes 46 professionals and 170 support staff. Additional information available at http://info.lib.uh.edu. General Information: Houston is a vital force in the commerce of the nation. It has established a flourishing cultural life rivaled by few cities in the world. Within easy reach of the Gulf of Mexico, Houston enjoys a low cost of living, and was recently rated third among livable North American cities by Places Rated Almanac. For additional facts about Houston, including information about its' housing market, flourishing arts scene, low cost of living, plus other interesting tidbits of information, visit our Web site at: http://info.lib.uh.edu/local/houston.htm The University of Houston campus comprises 14 colleges and schools offering close to 80 degree programs with an enrollment exceeding 31,000 students, 7,200 of whom are enrolled in graduate studies. This institution is a Carnegie Research II university. Application Deadline: Nominations or applications will be accepted until the position is filled. Send letter of application, names of 3 references, and resume to Linda Thompson, Assistant Dean for Bibliographic and Access Services, University of Houston Libraries, Houston, Texas 77204-2091. THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER. MINORITIES, WOMEN, VETERANS AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. 4/98 From spearce at ilalpha.infolink.org Tue May 5 09:24:46 1998 From: spearce at ilalpha.infolink.org (spearce@ilalpha.infolink.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: New home page Message-ID: <9805051726.AA22152@ilalpha.infolink.org> My new home page is up and running, or should I say limping. I don't have my e-mail address on there or any way for someone to send comments. I would like some feedback so that when I make changes I can incorporate them. http://www.infolink.org/caldwellcollegelib Sue Pearce mailto:spearce@infolink.org From enoll at kenton.lib.ky.us Tue May 5 13:33:11 1998 From: enoll at kenton.lib.ky.us (Erin Noll) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: computer centers for adults and children? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 1998 hyman@sjrlc.org wrote: > Children's terminals in the children's department are more > easily seen as an extension of your other children's services > and less intimidating to parents than mixing the kids in with > adults exercising their constutionally protected right to look at > babepix.com. To be frank, I think you are oversimplifying the issue. I speak not to accuse but to articulate the experiences we have had in the past year. We've offered Internet access for nearly a year now and, after a three month trial period without a filter, it is content filtered at all terminals and for all ages. First of all, unfortunately for libraries, (which are caught in the middle of this whole debacle), patrons aren't just interested in looking at materials that are constitutionally protected. If patrons were only interested in babepix.com I'd be the happiest camper alive. But human beings are human beings and want what they aren't supposed to have. Our patrons, and probably more of yours that you know or care to admit, don't just want a little erotica. They want the hard core stuff. And, I don't just mean a tame little threesome with some whips and chains and sex toys, either. Our biggest problem was with obscenity -- material that is illegal in our community and not protected by our constitution. Our patrons were not only looking at obscene materials, such as nausea-inducing child pornography, but leaving it on the screens for children to find. A year ago, I would have said filtering is horrid and bordered on sinful. Today, I've recended ... if that means I have to turn in my intellectual freedom fighter card, so be it. I think that the bigger issue here is determining what responsibilty libraries have to their patron base. It was determined by our Board of Trustees that our library has a greater duty to protect the youth we serve than the "rights" of our adult patrons. There was actually fear that some of the patrons viewing pornography (mostly men) might assault some of the young Catholic school girls that frequent our main library after school. The question became: if one of these men pulled one of these girls into the stacks and molested her, how responsible would the library be for this act? It was compared to the bartender who served the drunk his drinks before he went out on the road and killed a pedestrian while driving home drunk. Now, you may not buy this. I'm not sure I even buy it. But, I see their point. Enough of our patrons had the misfortune of walking up to a terminal unawares to find obscenity and pornography on the screen that there was a small, but growing, fear for our funding. And, that was *without* threats from the Family Friendly Libraries people. Ideally, after a year of offering Internet access, this is what I would recommend to any library with the physical capabilities to do so: put the unfiltered Internet terminals in a room separate from the reading room and require that patrons be 18 to enter. And, make sure that they sign a waiver that makes them aware that they may see things that will cause them to lose their lunch. Any other terminals offering Internet access should be filtered, at least for *graphical* (meaning visual/photo) pornography. (That's all we filter -- hates sites, gambling sites, drugs sites, etc. are not filtered here.) Unfortunately, we don't have that option at this point. A year ago, I was naive enough to believe that patrons would be too ashamed to look at some of that stuff out in the middle of the main reading room, surrounded by people of all ages. Boy, was I stupid. In fact, I think many of our patrons were titilated by looking at pornography and obscenity in front of others, particularly women. My advice: think very long and very hard before you put anything into place for, as we discovered here, nothing will turn out as it should and as you expect it to. Libraries are here to serve patrons and they are the reason for the existence of libraries but that certainly doesn't stop them from being pains in the ass. So many of our patrons have suffered because of the desires and behaviors of a select few. Be careful ... and good luck to you. Erin --------------------------------------------------------------- Erin M. Noll Kenton County Public Library Assistant Systems Librarian 5th and Scott Streets enoll@kenton.lib.ky.us Covington, KY 41011 http://www.kenton.lib.ky.us/ v. (606)491-7610 f.(606)655-7960 --------------------------------------------------------------- From BRONISLK at gunet.georgetown.edu Tue May 5 14:31:21 1998 From: BRONISLK at gunet.georgetown.edu (Kate Bronislawski) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hello List, I'm pretty new at the whole web thing, and was hoping someone has information on how to create my own bookmarks. Any takers? thanks :) From brownkev at mscd.edu Tue May 5 14:10:05 1998 From: brownkev at mscd.edu (BROWN KEVINL) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Web/database integration solutions In-Reply-To: <01IWHFPOC5EM9GKSZ4@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Message-ID: Fellow list members, I'm looking for the right software setup for a foundation that has two research centers in different states and is looking to build a database of annotated bibliographies and articles for users to search with a web browser. We are not maintaining much of a physical hard copy library, other than something to organize materials for the staff, so we probably would not need a software with circulation managing abilities. I've come up with some preliminary recommendations, but need to solicit some more information from people with some "combat experience" in setting these systems up. In my initial assessment I'm favoring Lotus Notes, mainly because we could use the project management and "groupware" aspects of that software as much as the web-integrated database. The runner up would be a Back Office set up, or some configuration using a Microsoft SQL server, although I'm a little leery of Microsoft systems. I've heard that their systems are difficult to administer and not as easy to merge with other databases as they claim. I know it's better to design this type of setup with the whole system in mind, rather than build a database and figure out how to connect the interface and server setup later. The problem is I'm under some pressure to start compiling entries and build the database now, although the web site won't be developed till much later. >From what I hear Microsoft Access can't handle a lot of simultaneous queries and is better for the desktop than the web, but I'm tempted to just start building a database with Access and worry about the web side later just to relieve some of the pressure I'm under. Anyways, the main questions I would greatly appreciate some help with are: If I build a database in Microsoft Access how hard would that be to migrate to a web server set up? What systems are popular for small web-based libraries with minimal staff and don't require hard-core administration? I've taken a brief look at Brodart, Winnebago,etc., but those systems seem designed more for the circulation management details of large libraries. Are there any automation systems that I might be overlooking? Any help would be greatly appreciated! I can compile and post the results of responses as well, thanks! Kevin Brown Orton Family Foundation From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Tue May 5 14:50:35 1998 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: CANCELLATION NOTICE / AVIS D'ANNUALTION Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980505145035.00c1c100@nlc-bnc.ca> CANCELLATION NOTICE: Future Directions in Information Technology Standardization Wednesday, May 13, 1998 9:00 AM - 4:30 PM University of Ottawa 85 University Street, University Centre Auditorium des Anciens Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Due to unforeseen circumstances, the May 13 information session is being cancelled. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused. **************************************************************************** ************* AVIS D'ANNULATION Orientations futures de la normalisation dans le domaine de la technologie de l'information Le mercredi 13 mai 1998 de 9 h ? 16 h 30 Universit? d'Ottawa 85, rue Universit?, Centre Universitaire, Auditorium des Anciens Ottawa (Ontario), Canada En raison de circonstances impr?vues, la s?ance d'information qui devait avoir lieu le 13 mai a ?t? annul?e. Nous regrettons tous les inconv?nients que ceci peut vous causer. From arlenemc at scils.rutgers.edu Tue May 5 23:48:52 1998 From: arlenemc at scils.rutgers.edu (Arlene Mcbride) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:27 2005 Subject: Documenting Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Dianne Harmon wrote: > I can't seem to find this subject in the archives (got so distracted > following links for what I did find that I almost forgot to post this > question). > > How do you -- or do you -- document your own web site? I started with a > hard copy printout of all the pages. I added to the file everytime we > changed something. We are committed to updating twice/month (not too bad > since the person handling this is really my young adult librarian who > likes to do web sites). > > Dianne Harmon dharmon@htls.lib.il.us > Associate Director 815-740-2660 or > Joliet Public Library 815-740-2679 > 150 N. Ottawa fax 815-740-6161 > Joliet IL 60432 www.htls.lib.il.us/JPB > Hi Dianne, Two effective ways of storing all previous and current HTML coded pages are 1) create a backup disk 2)as individual directories in your operating system (eg. Unix). This way your files are always accessible and can be easily updated. Just be sure that you make the older version unreadable so that you do not end up with someone viewing old information on your site. Hope this helps. From dharmon at starbase1.htls.lib.il.us Thu May 7 10:43:30 1998 From: dharmon at starbase1.htls.lib.il.us (Dianne Harmon) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Responses to Documenting Web Site Message-ID: Thanks to all the people who sent me info on documenting a web site. As there were several people who also wanted to know what I found out, I'm summarizing for the list: 1. Master copy on hard disk. Also back up of all page changes. 2. Log book on titles/links added. 3. Hard disk back up of entire site everytime a change is made. 4. Save as individual directories in operating system (eg. Unix) Some additional ideas: 1. Can use printouts of web pages as handouts for patrons. That way just have to update a web page and not also a handout. These handouts also have the URL on them so patrons can check latest update themselves. 2. Create a database for the links you use by categories. Can easily add description. Thank you for your responses and your interest. I appreciate the help, as always. Dianne Harmon dharmon@htls.lib.il.us Associate Director 815-740-2660 or Joliet Public Library 815-740-2679 150 N. Ottawa fax 815-740-6161 Joliet IL 60432 www.htls.lib.il.us/JPB From xyu at Gems.VCU.EDU Thu May 7 11:54:25 1998 From: xyu at Gems.VCU.EDU (shaw yu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: How to edit 32-bit versiont of Netscape? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980507115425.006b3e6c@gems.vcu.edu> Hello all, Has anybody come up with a way to edit the 32-bit version of Netscape on Windows 95? We have Netscape Admin Kit. But we also need to block users' access to File/OpenFile and General Preferences in Netscape 3.04 (32-bits). If we cannot do it, we have to use the 16-bit version again. Thank you for your help! Shaw Yu (804) 828-0032 Systems Librarian Virginia CommonWealth Univ. From A.S.Mcnab at lboro.ac.uk Thu May 7 12:37:12 1998 From: A.S.Mcnab at lboro.ac.uk (Alison McNab) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Conference: UKOLUG - Today's Issues for Networking (fwd) Message-ID: **1998 UKOLUG Conference** Today's Issues for Networking: UKOLUG [*] Conference considering all the issues relevant to the electronic networked library. The UKOLUG Conference - New Networks, Old Information - (Manchester, England from July 14-16 1998) is set to look at the current state of play for libraries and information units in a range of important areas. This is stuff you need to know! Speakers will talk about the issues surrounding society and users, government, the industry, research, telecomms and the Internet as they affect our profession. In addition there will be papers on information security and an update of the legal issues paper which everyone found so useful in 1996. There are still a few places left for this invaluable meeting; THIS will be the conference where you can discover BOTH the state-of-the-art AND the future shape of everything relevant to electronic resources and networking. [*] UKOLUG (the UK Online User Group) is the leading UK group for online and CD-ROM and Internet searchers. The Group exists as a forum for the exchange of experience and as a channel of communication about electronic information resources. UKOLUG has an extensive meetings programme, publishes a bi-monthly Newsletter, and runs the lis-ukolug (http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/lis-ukolug/) discussion list. UKOLUG is celebrating its 20th birthday this year. For full programme details and booking form look at our website: http://www.ukolug.demon.co.uk/confprog.htm or contact Christine Baker, UKOLUG Administration The Old Chapel Walden West Burton Leyburn North Yorkshire DL8 4LE Tel & Fax: 01969 663749 Email: cabaker@UKOLUG.demon.co.uk From bruceh at csufresno.edu Thu May 7 12:51:53 1998 From: bruceh at csufresno.edu (Bruce Hinman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: How to edit 32-bit version of Netscape? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980507115425.006b3e6c@gems.vcu.edu> Message-ID: <000001bd79d8$702e6ef0$8ea00881@abraham.lib.csufresno.edu> There are some very good, detailed instructions at: http://infopeople.berkeley.edu:8000/NS/index.html Just follow the instructions provided here and off you'll go. Have fun. Bruce Hinman Library Equipment Technician Madden Library, CSU Fresno bruceh@csufresno.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:web4lib@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of shaw yu Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 9:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: How to edit 32-bit versiont of Netscape? Hello all, Has anybody come up with a way to edit the 32-bit version of Netscape on Windows 95? We have Netscape Admin Kit. But we also need to block users' access to File/OpenFile and General Preferences in Netscape 3.04 (32-bits). If we cannot do it, we have to use the 16-bit version again. Thank you for your help! Shaw Yu (804) 828-0032 Systems Librarian Virginia CommonWealth Univ. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu May 7 14:27:12 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Looking for survey instrument Message-ID: <3551FD00.4E827BC9@morrisville.edu> I am thinking about designing a survey to filled in online for the users of my Not Just Cows site. It would be a form. Can anyone point me to examples of such forms that ask about the usefulness of a site, ease of navigation, content and such things? I don't get enough feedback from users and need it to make my sit emore useable. Please post directly to me and I will share results with the list. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From ulsrm at lib-sas.rgu.ac.uk Thu May 7 16:41:02 1998 From: ulsrm at lib-sas.rgu.ac.uk (Richard Milne) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Printing charging Message-ID: Hi, As printing seems to be a 'hot' topic at present, I thought I should come out of lurker mode to see if anyone can help me. Our University is designing a new building which is to contain a brand new library, and one of my tasks is to find the best way to introduce charges for the use of our laser printers. I don't have a problem with printing from networked applications - we're currently looking at systems such as GPAS (Geomica Printer Accounting System) which will debit students Novell accounts. Unfortunately however there are a significant number of standalone applications, particularly CD-ROM stations which for one reason or another cannot be easily accessed from students Novell accounts. If we absolutely had to, we could link the CD-ROM workstations to dedicated printers which had coin units fitted, but this would be an extremely expensive option. Can anyone suggest a better solution? Many thanks in advance Richard ------------------------------------------------ Richard Milne, Assistant Librarian - Systems Library Services, The Robert Gordon University, St. Andrews Street Aberdeen, Scotland, AB25 1HG T : (01224) 262883 E : r.milne@rgu.ac.uk Forza Samp! From frenkel at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu May 7 16:07:00 1998 From: frenkel at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Ann Frenkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Silverplatter Web reliability Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980507160700.009a74b0@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> Here is a list of results I compiled from the many responses I got from folks about the reliability of access of Silverplatter databases on the Web. I heard from a great variety of large and small academic libraries across the country. Thank you for your comments! In general most experience has been that when libraries first started using Silverplatter products over the Web, response time was quite poor-slow and unstable. They also indicated that at first there were problems with constantly changing access codes when additional disks were loaded at SP. However, almost all libraries have indicated that this spring Silverplatter upgraded their servers and access has been reasonable and acceptable since. Some of the complaints were based on problems caused by natural internet slowness (nothing to do with Silverplatter). Libraries had good things to say about SP help staff. Comments.... Yale University, Kline Science Library: "We access both GeoRef and Inspec via the SP web interface. We do not want to become involved with loading proprietary software. The interface is quite stable and access is reasonable." Univ. of Kentucky Medical Center: "At first, our response time was really terrible [ ] I had SP on the phone several times a day for a few weeks. To the staff's credit, they tried their best to determine what was causing internet delays and apparent server crashes, and it was obvious that the fault lay with our own campus connections and ISP much of the time. Before Christmas, our databases were loaded onto new servers, [ ] and since then, our service has improved markedly." Ohio State: "My experience has been that the web access is very unstable and slow. In the afternoon we have had a lot of trouble getting connected and sometimes the time lag causes incomplete data to be transferred or the session to be lost." Princeton University, Biology Library "We have been doing this for over a year now. At first there were major problems with response time, availability, and changing access codes when additional disks were loaded at SP. However, for the last 4 months it has been working very well and very smoothly, and we will move additional databases to that mode of access as much as we can." Northwestern University Library "We started experimenting with SilverPlatter over the Web last fall, and our first experiences with response time were terrible--as long as 20 minutes to bring up a single screen [ ] Fortunately, SilverPlatter has upgraded their equipment and response time now is quite acceptable." University of Houston Libraries: "There have been a couple of incidents recently where the Silver Platter folks have had some trouble with their server and we had trouble accessing one or more of the products we subscribe to. These problems were corrected pretty quickly though, and I imagine that's just going to part of the equation when you give up the in-house CD's in favor of an Internet product." From mdiehl at bucknell.edu Thu May 7 16:20:37 1998 From: mdiehl at bucknell.edu (Mike Diehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Netscape 4x Message-ID: <199805072020.QAA25074@coral.bucknell.edu> Question for everyone. We are using Netscape version 4.05 standalone on our public internet workstations. I have set up a help application and when I entered it I unchecked the box that asks "whether to save to disk or launch the application" Well the problem is that everytime I access or anyone accesses the product the box appears. And the patrons just click ok. and end up trying to save the application instead of launching it. No problem in 3.0 just 4x. We went to version 4 to lock out the mail utility. When I exit Netscape and go back in the settings get changed back and we start all over. :( Any help would be most appreciated. thanks! Mike *************************************************************** Michael Diehl Information Services and Resources PH.717-524-1493 Library Systems Technician mdiehl@bucknell.edu Lewisburg PA 17837 Bucknell University *************************************************************** From kgreen at plainfield.lib.in.us Thu May 7 12:24:43 1998 From: kgreen at plainfield.lib.in.us (kgreen@plainfield.lib.in.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: How to edit 32-bit versiont of Netscape? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980507115425.006b3e6c@gems.vcu.edu> Message-ID: <9805072053.AA08056@library.berkeley.edu> Take a look at Cooler from Fortres Grand Corp.. We use Fortres 101 for general security and I'm thinking about giving Cooler a try. > Has anybody come up with a way to edit the 32-bit version of Netscape on > Windows 95? We have Netscape Admin Kit. But we also need to block users' > access to File/OpenFile and General Preferences in Netscape 3.04 (32-bits). > If we cannot do it, we have to use the 16-bit version again. Thank you > for your help! > > > Shaw Yu (804) 828-0032 > Systems Librarian > Virginia CommonWealth Univ. > > ************************* Kerry Green Plainfield Public Library 1120 Stafford Road Plainfield, IN 46168 (317)839-6602x112 (317)839-4044 fax From rbrownle at ilanet.slnsw.gov.au Fri May 8 10:09:45 1998 From: rbrownle at ilanet.slnsw.gov.au (Rowan Brownlee) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: How to edit 32-bit versiont of Netscape? In-Reply-To: <9805072053.AA08056@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <152E2A25968@mitchell.slnsw.gov.au> We use WinSelect and have found it to offer very effective control over access to menu options. It's not an editing package, in that it does not permanently disable options. Any menu option can be rendered inactive while WinSelect is running. The program can be quickly disabled to restore full functionality to Netscape. Rowan > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:04:29 -0700 > Reply-to: kgreen@plainfield.lib.in.us > From: kgreen@plainfield.lib.in.us > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: How to edit 32-bit versiont of Netscape? > Take a look at Cooler from Fortres Grand Corp.. We use Fortres 101 for > general security and I'm thinking about giving Cooler a try. > > > > Has anybody come up with a way to edit the 32-bit version of Netscape on > > Windows 95? We have Netscape Admin Kit. But we also need to block users' > > access to File/OpenFile and General Preferences in Netscape 3.04 (32-bits). > > If we cannot do it, we have to use the 16-bit version again. Thank you > > for your help! > > > > > > Shaw Yu (804) 828-0032 > > Systems Librarian > > Virginia CommonWealth Univ. > > > > > ************************* > Kerry Green > Plainfield Public Library > 1120 Stafford Road > Plainfield, IN 46168 > (317)839-6602x112 > (317)839-4044 fax > Rowan Brownlee Electronic Resources Coordinator Information Technology Division State Library of New South Wales Macquarie St, Sydney, NSW 2000 Australia rbrownle@slnsw.gov.au ph: 02 92731708 From ratledge at aztec.lib.utk.edu Thu May 7 21:08:08 1998 From: ratledge at aztec.lib.utk.edu (David Ratledge) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:29 2005 Subject: Announcing LIBNT-L Message-ID: <018201bd7a25$bbce9ae0$2f12a980@utkux.utk.edu> Greetings! The intent of this message is to announce the creation of a new listserv called LIBNT-L (Library NT). LIBNT-L is a new list with the purpose of promoting discussion and the dissemination of information about the implementation and administration of Windows NT in libraries. List members are encouraged to explore in detail all aspects of this subject. Topics may range from highly technical configuration and troubleshooting issues to matters of managerial policy. To subscribe send the following command to listserv@utkvm1.utk.edu: sub LIBNT-L Feel free to forward this announcement to other potentially interested parties. I look forward to your participation! -- David Ratledge Systems Librarian Hodges Library, The University of Tennessee Voice: (423-974-4304) Fax: (423-974-0626) From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Mon May 11 09:47:16 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: RESTRICTING NAVIGATOR to specific IP's In-Reply-To: <018201bd7a25$bbce9ae0$2f12a980@utkux.utk.edu> Message-ID: A frequent request to this list is for information on how to restrict Netscape Navigator to specific URL's(or blocking specific URL's). Using information that was posted to this list, I developed several help pages explaining how to do this using the Manual Proxy Setting in Navigator 3.x and 4.x. Several alternative methods are also available. To aid those seeking information on this topic, I have created a link to Tim Kambitsch's Exploiting and Abusing Netscape Navigator page for those who need a more secure fix to this problem(we need the flexibility on our terminals to turn this feature on and off). If there are any other solutions available on-line, please forward the URL to me so that I can link to these resources as well. The help pages are at: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~nort/tech/lockin.htm Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon May 11 10:25:23 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: RESTRICTING NAVIGATOR to specific IP's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A link to this very helpful resource can now be found on The Library Web Manager's Reference Center at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html under "Guides and Tutorials". Thanks Andrew! Roy On Mon, 11 May 1998, Andrew J. Mutch wrote: > A frequent request to this list is for information on how to restrict > Netscape Navigator to specific URL's(or blocking specific URL's). Using > information that was posted to this list, I developed several help pages > explaining how to do this using the Manual Proxy Setting in Navigator 3.x > and 4.x. > > Several alternative methods are also available. To aid those > seeking information on this topic, I have created a link to Tim > Kambitsch's Exploiting and Abusing Netscape Navigator page for those > who need a more secure fix to this problem(we need the flexibility on our > terminals to turn this feature on and off). > > If there are any other solutions available on-line, please forward the URL > to me so that I can link to these resources as well. > > The help pages are at: > > http://tln.lib.mi.us/~nort/tech/lockin.htm > > > Andrew Mutch > Northville District Library > Northville, MI > > From krauss at crisny.org Mon May 11 11:02:22 1998 From: krauss at crisny.org (Stephanie Kraus) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: Web pages and frames Message-ID: <355712FE.969F2476@crisny.org> Hi all- I am in need of opinions from all you webmasters out there about the use of targets in frames on a web page. I have just been asked to design a web page for our local town government and I have created a web site using two frames where the left frame is the navigational frame or an index frame that contains links to the main contents of the entire site and the right side is the larger portion of the screen that contains the town logo and a link to the Supervisor's welcome message (fairly standard?). My question is: >From the left navigational frame should a link to another page open in: 1) the same window- covering the whole screen? 2) the right frame leaving the left navigational frame available? 3) A new browser window? Please keep in mind these pages are all the property of the Town and are not other people's web sites- all links outside of the town's web site fill the whole page- they do not open up within the Town's site. Personlly, I hate it when at the end of my Internet session I have multiple browser windows open- so my thought is not to have a new browser window open but I am curious as to what other people do and think is helpful when navigating a site. TIA- Stephanie Kraus Outreach & Internet Services Librarian Wm. K. Sanford Town Library Loudonville NY From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu Mon May 11 11:20:20 1998 From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: Web pages and frames In-Reply-To: <355712FE.969F2476@crisny.org> Message-ID: Hi Stephanie We use a frame-setup with the same navbar/main-window that you describe. When we are linking to "internal" pages (library sub-pages) we use the target="main" tag, opening it in the main pane. When we've linked to an outside site such as a search engine, external site or resource we use the target="_top" tag which does _not_ open a new browser window, but rather displays the linked-to page full screen. Regards Kurt ...........................................,,,,,.......... Kurt W. Wagner mailto:kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu Reference/Publications/Library Webmaster 973.720.2285 Sarah Byrd Askew Library William Paterson University of New Jersey, USA http://www.wilpaterson.edu/~library http://www.gti.net/kwagner ***ICQ 1140088*** ........................................................... From mossy at pacbell.net Mon May 11 11:31:47 1998 From: mossy at pacbell.net (Andrea Moss) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: HomeSite tutor sought in SF Bay Area Message-ID: <355719E3.4F7A@pacbell.net> I'm working on my library web pages with HomeSite 2.5, and considering moving to version 3. But I'm unclear on some basics and would like to hire a tutor to help me understand how to use HomeSite's 'projects'. And, I need some help with plain old files and directory structure; my lack of knowledge here is getting in the way. I live in Berkeley and will commute up to an hour or so for lessons. Thanks, Andrea Moss. mossy@pacbell.net From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon May 11 12:47:25 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: 4th Anniversary Message-ID: Tomorrow is the 4th anniversary of Web4Lib. The discussion began on May 12, 1994, which seems like a century ago. Since that time, well over 15,000 messages have been posted, and although it may feel that way, most of them were *not* on filtering! We are presently at about 3,600 subscribers representing over 50 different countries. Below is an informal look back at the beginning of it all. Those who want a more formal history of the list can refer to the Ariadne article I wrote a while back at http://www.ukoln.ac.uk./ariadne/issue5/web4lib/ . Among the earliest posters can be found: Bill Drew, Art Rhyno, Thomas Dowling, Nick Arnett, Charles Bailey, Jr., Elizabeth Cherhal, Lee Jaffe, Jon Knight, Stu Weibel, Don Napoli, Tony Barry, Brian Kelly, Jim Gerland, Pat Cline, Bob Strauss, John Ober (who participated in beginning the list), Jim Milles, Traugott Koch, Stephen Sloan, Peter Gorman, and Gleason Sackman. Nearly all of these people have made, and continue to make, significant contributions to Web systems in libraries and many other areas, not surprisingly. Among the earliest messages I was embarrased to find the following: ------------------------------------------------------------ >Date: Wed, 18 May 94 10:06:50 PDT >From: rtennant@library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) >Subject: Re: Minimum standards for library html documents > >I took the liberty of taking Bill Drew's recommendations for HTML >markup and edited them, including some of the comments from other >discussion participants. I think Bill has brought up an excellent >point, in that we should strive for some basic standards in HTML >markup that recognize the diverse environment in which we find >ourselves and the various means by which our users will be accessing >our information systems. To that end, I suggest an ongoing process >of developing guidelines that can be used to enhance access to >webbed information. Below is what might be considered the "first >draft" of such a document, thanks to Bill Drew and others: > >GUIDELINES FOR HTML MARKUP > >Note: The following guidelines are designed to: 1) enhance access to >information in the World-Wide Web by individuals using diverse browsing >methods, and 2) provide basic operational standards upon which web >users can increasingly depend. It is recognized that it may not be >possible, in any given situation, to implement all of the these >guidelines, but Web managers are encouraged to support those that they >can. > >* Supply a URL so that comments can be sent back to the owner >from browsers that support this feature. > >* When using images in a document, use the form ALT="yyy">, wherein "yyy" is text that will display in leiu of the image >for those browsers without image support. > >* When using the ISMAP feature (imbedding URLs inside map files), >provide a second document that lists the URLs outside of the map graphic. > >* Provide access to WAIS via forms or gopher URLs because not all >computer platforms or clients currently provide support for WAIS. > >* Provide a that does not rely on the user having accessed >documents from which the document is linked to provide contextual >information for interpreting the <TITLE> > >Roy Tennant -------------------------------------------------------------- The embarrasing thing is that I'm not sure what happened to these draft guidelines, after they were posted. There was an early flood of activity on the list, although the volume in comparison to today is not all that impressive -- an average of ten messages a day for the first several weeks, which compares to about 15-20 messages a day now. And even as things change, they still remain the same (Thomas, does the following sound the least bit familiar, after all these years?): --------------------------------------------------- >Date: Tue, 24 May 94 15:33:52 -0700 >From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu > >As people start leaving the list, please remember to send your unsuscribe >commands to the listserv address, not the list itself. > >Thomas Dowling >University of Washington Engineering Library >tdowling@u.washington.edu ------------------------------------------------------ Another very early posting by Thomas presaged a service that has withstood the test of time: ------------------------------------------------------ >Date: Thu, 26 May 94 16:13:34 -0700 >From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu > >Rushing in where angels fear to tread, I have recklessly volunteered to >keep a list of Library-oriented Web servers. I hope I'm not biting off >more than I can chew, but what I have so far is at: > >http://www.lib.washington.edu/~tdowling/libweb.html > >Thomas Dowling >University of Washington Engineering Library >tdowling@u.washington.edu ------------------------------------------------------ Don't go there now, it long since moved to http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Libweb/ . Thanks for putting up with my reminiscences, and also for helping make Web4Lib what it is today. Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From mark at bookwire.com Mon May 11 13:27:49 1998 From: mark at bookwire.com (Mark Annichiarico) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: AD: New on LJDigital for the week of 5.11 Message-ID: <046701bd7d02$1ed7aee0$8498ecce@Mark> Headlines from LJ Digital (http://www.ljdigital.com/), the electronic offshoot of Library Journal magazine, the oldest independent national library publication: NEWS (http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/leadnews.articles) --FCC's Kennard: No E-rate discounts Until Fall --Three Options for SLC Restructuring --Libraries Black and Blue over E-rate Forms --CA Library Settles Suit, Backs Off Internet User Pledge --ACLU Files Suit to Overturn New Mexico Law Similar to One Already Voided INFOTECH (http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/infotech.articles) --Gale Names Shelton Shugar VP/Chief Technology Officer --Alabama Contracts With Brodart BOOK NEWS (http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/book-news.articles) --Burke's Cimarron Rose Wins Top Edgar Award --Book on South Africa Awarded NYPL Journalism Prize JOB SEARCH (http://classifieds.bookwire.com/ljdigital.classifieds) Positions open include: --Technology Manager, New City Library, NY --Library Director, Boise PL, Idaho --Assistant or Associate Professor, Valdosta State University, GA Mark Annichiarico, Bookwire mark@bookwire.com From lou at argus-inc.com Mon May 11 14:14:33 1998 From: lou at argus-inc.com (Louis Rosenfeld) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: 4th Anniversary In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980511094331.30523A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980511130037.22070T-100000@ic.net> Kudos to Roy for his expert guidance, and thanks to everyone who has participated in this list for keeping the noise level to a whisper and the information high octane. Louis Rosenfeld lou@argus-inc.com Argus Associates, Inc. http://argus-inc.com 109 Catherine Street voice: +1.734.913.0010 Ann Arbor, MI 48104 USA fax: +1.734.213.8082 Information Architecture for the World Wide Web (L. Rosenfeld & P. Morville) O'Reilly & Associates, 1998. http://www.ora.com/catalog/infotecture/ From msauers at bcr.org Mon May 11 14:37:00 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: Web pages and frames Message-ID: <01bd7d0b$c93751c0$50912dc7@bcr.org.bcr.org> >My question is: >>From the left navigational frame should a link to another page open in: >1) the same window- covering the whole screen? If the other pages are yours don't do this, you'll loose you navigational frame. If they are pages of other authors, do this or you could be sued. >2) the right frame leaving the left navigational frame available? Best option provided they are your pages. >3) A new browser window? No, or you have the problem of multiple browsers slowing down you machine. ----------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ "Never underestimate the Internet. Manipulate it. Respect it. But don't try to dominate it." -Jerry Yang (Yahoo! Founder) Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ----------------------------------------------------- From his at virtuallibrarian.com Mon May 11 14:55:45 1998 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (H.I.S.) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: CRT for computer lab In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980422130344.0080a330@mail.xula.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980511145545.006a6548@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hello. Any recommendations for computer based training software? I'm interested in cbts for Windows '95, MS Office, MS Publisher, WWW. Thanks. Cynthia Hetherington, tech. librarian. Englewood Public, NJ From MARILYN at lib.uttyl.edu Mon May 11 16:13:54 1998 From: MARILYN at lib.uttyl.edu (MARILYN@lib.uttyl.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: Position Announcement Message-ID: <980511151354.754b@lib.uttyl.edu> The Robert R. Muntz Library at the University of Texas at Tyler announces the following opening: Title: Library Systems Analyst Position: Responsible for managing all aspects of public access PCs and peripherals in an academic library. Minimum Associate degree in Computer Science or technology or related field, and minimum three years job related experience. See the library home page for the complete job description: http://lib.uttyl.edu/job98.htm Marilyn Greene Electronic Resources Robert R. Muntz Library University of Texas at Tyler 903-566-7167 From britton.4 at osu.edu Mon May 11 16:20:06 1998 From: britton.4 at osu.edu (Constance J. Britton) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: NT web server and CGI Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980511162006.007460dc@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> I'm not sure in what category this question falls: server problem, browser problem, software problem, but maybe someone can shed some light. We recently purchased Reference Web Poster from RIS, Inc. (and their tech support has not been able to help.) This software allows ProCite and other bibliographic databases to be served and searched via the web. We are running our server on a Windows NT 4.0 machine using the httpd server software that comes with it. We installed the web poster software according to the installation instructions, but cannot get it to work. The URL that is required ends with .../ris/risweb.cgi or .../ris/risweb.isa When we try this we can get the software to run correctly when it is accessed by Internet Explorer but not by Netscape Navigator or Communicator (4.05). Netscape tries follow whatever application is linked to a .cgi extension. If I delete this MIME type, it tries to save the file. IE launches the web poster. Using the .isa extension we get an access denied message. Why does it work with IE and not with Netscape? Any help on unlocking this mystery would be most appreciated. Constance J. Britton Librarian Ohio Agricultural Research & Development Center The Ohio State University 1680 Madison Ave. Wooster OH 44691 330-263-3773 (voice) 330-263-3689 (fax) britton.4@osu.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon May 11 17:00:37 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: NT web server and CGI In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980511162006.007460dc@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <000901bd7d1f$d943a870$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> > > When we try this we can get the software to run correctly when it > is accessed by Internet Explorer but not by Netscape Navigator or > Communicator (4.05). Netscape tries follow whatever application > is linked to a .cgi extension. If I delete this MIME type, it tries to > save the file. IE launches the web poster. Using the .isa extension > we get an access denied message. > > Why does it work with IE and not with Netscape? > Any help on unlocking this mystery would be most appreciated. This sounds like a typical problem when the *server* doesn't understand the MIME type involved, not the browser. It's probably working in IE because IE has a chronic willingness to ignore the Content-type header sent by the server in favor of local mappings based on file extensions. My first hunch is that these files are in a directory that does not have execute permissions turned on. If that isn't it, see if the manual discusses MIME types that need to be set at the server. By the way, the httpd server that came with your copy of NT Server 4.0 might be IIS 2.0, 3.0, or 4.0, depending on when and how you got it. Check the version; IIS' interface and capabilities have changed pretty noticeably over that range. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kirks at mlc.lib.ms.us Mon May 11 17:04:48 1998 From: kirks at mlc.lib.ms.us (Kirk Sansom) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: advice on a 3270 client for Windows 95 Message-ID: <355767F0.146C@mlc.lib.ms.us> I have been assigned the task of investigating a 3270 Client for Windows 95. I don't know much about it and am in need of advice from some experienced users out there. First, I cant test any clients, because, we don't have access to such a server yet. I prefer commercial software over shareware, and I want something that is user-friendly, if that might be a concern. I'm only assuming that a 3270 client might be similar to a telnet client. Am I right? I ran across and downloaded one shareware client, QWS3270 PLUS Demo. I can't test because I don't have access to the 3270. 1) So, is this a good one? ... the best? 2) What features should I look for? 3) Are there any commercial products out there? 4) Is there a 3270 server I can log into for testing, etc. Thanks, ks ___________ Kirk Sansom kirks@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission Jackson, MS -- _^_ _^_ ( ___ ) ( ___ ) |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=|-=-| | | | | @ Kirk Sansom () | | | < /-i MS Library Commission i~\#> | | | _/\ P.O. Box 10700 - 1221 Ellis Ave. /\_ | | | / Jackson, MS 39209-0700 \ | | | Voice:(601)359-1036 Fax: (601)354-1036 | | | | | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|-=-| ( _ _ ) ( _ _ ) v v From grondin.luc at uqam.ca Mon May 11 17:10:07 1998 From: grondin.luc at uqam.ca (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: Problem with onUnload with Netscape 4.04 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980417124758.006d734c@mail1.jsr.cc.va.us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980511171007.008e6ad0@aster.si.uqam.ca> Hello I while back someone posted a message regarding this JavaScript Event handler. I have a problem too. I am using a "window.open" to have an information window open when the user click on a hyperlink. I would like to make sure that this window closes when the patron leaves the parent Web page. This is what I did: <script language="Javascript1.1"> var info = null; function Fenetre(URL) { info=window.open(URL,'message','toolbar=no,width=660,height=350,directories= 0,status=0,scrollbars=1,resizable=1,menubar=0') } </script> </HEAD> <BODY onUnload="info.close()"> ... <A HREF="JavaScript:Fenetre('codes.html')">liste des codes</A> ... It works, but I get an error message when I reload the page, after having closed the child window: "info has no properties". In other words, if I try to leave the parent window without having the child window opened, I get the error message. I guess that I will have to replace the "info.close" by a function that checks if the child windows is opened: do nothing if it is not there, info.close() if the info window exists. Any idea? I could put a "setTimeout" in the child Window, but I find that solution less elegant. Thank you in advance for your help mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Services informatises des bibliotheques Universite du Quebec a Montreal mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm From cherry at banjo.com Mon May 11 20:01:49 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: advice on a 3270 client for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <355767F0.146C@mlc.lib.ms.us> Message-ID: <199805120003.BAA11693@delta.info.net> At 02:28 PM 5/11/98 -0700, Kirk Sansom wrote: >I have been assigned the task of investigating a 3270 Client for Windows >95. There are several out there. You've already identified some. Note that Netscape Communicator Professional Edition (possibly other editions) has the IBM Communications interface with it. I use it frequently and have not had any problems with it and it is user configurable. Bob Cherry Internet Network Consultant From donald.napoli at gomail.sjcpl.lib.in.us Mon May 11 22:31:34 1998 From: donald.napoli at gomail.sjcpl.lib.in.us (Don Napoli) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: 4th Anniversary Message-ID: <v02130500b17d1d7fffcd@[129.74.234.172]> Congratulations Roy! It does seem like a very long time ago, but my, how much things have changed since those days when just a few thousands of us roamed the web and discovered the joys of instant world-wide publishing. How much our libraries have changed - a whole new way of looking at information access and collaboration with new friends we never dreamed we would ever know, half way around the globe. God bless you Roy, and all of us, as we move into the next millenium! Don Napoli >Tomorrow is the 4th anniversary of Web4Lib. The discussion began on May >12, 1994, which seems like a century ago. Since that time, well over >15,000 messages have been posted, and although it may feel that way, most >of them were *not* on filtering! We are presently at about 3,600 >subscribers representing over 50 different countries. Below is an informal >look back at the beginning of it all. Those who want a more formal history >of the list can refer to the Ariadne article I wrote a while back at >http://www.ukoln.ac.uk./ariadne/issue5/web4lib/ . > >Among the earliest posters can be found: Bill Drew, Art Rhyno, Thomas >Dowling, Nick Arnett, Charles Bailey, Jr., Elizabeth Cherhal, Lee Jaffe, >Jon Knight, Stu Weibel, Don Napoli, Tony Barry, Brian Kelly, Jim Gerland, >Pat Cline, Bob Strauss, John Ober (who participated in beginning the >list), Jim Milles, Traugott Koch, Stephen Sloan, Peter Gorman, and Gleason >Sackman. Nearly all of these people have made, and continue to make, >significant contributions to Web systems in libraries and many other >areas, not surprisingly. > >Among the earliest messages I was embarrased to find the following: >------------------------------------------------------------ >>Date: Wed, 18 May 94 10:06:50 PDT >>From: rtennant@library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) >>Subject: Re: Minimum standards for library html documents >> >>I took the liberty of taking Bill Drew's recommendations for HTML >>markup and edited them, including some of the comments from other >>discussion participants. I think Bill has brought up an excellent >>point, in that we should strive for some basic standards in HTML >>markup that recognize the diverse environment in which we find >>ourselves and the various means by which our users will be accessing >>our information systems. To that end, I suggest an ongoing process >>of developing guidelines that can be used to enhance access to >>webbed information. Below is what might be considered the "first >>draft" of such a document, thanks to Bill Drew and others: >> >>GUIDELINES FOR HTML MARKUP >> >>Note: The following guidelines are designed to: 1) enhance access to >>information in the World-Wide Web by individuals using diverse browsing >>methods, and 2) provide basic operational standards upon which web >>users can increasingly depend. It is recognized that it may not be >>possible, in any given situation, to implement all of the these >>guidelines, but Web managers are encouraged to support those that they >>can. >> >>* Supply a <MAILTO> URL so that comments can be sent back to the owner >>from browsers that support this feature. >> >>* When using images in a document, use the form <IMG SRC="xxx" >>ALT="yyy">, wherein "yyy" is text that will display in leiu of the image >>for those browsers without image support. >> >>* When using the ISMAP feature (imbedding URLs inside map files), >>provide a second document that lists the URLs outside of the map graphic. >> >>* Provide access to WAIS via forms or gopher URLs because not all >>computer platforms or clients currently provide support for WAIS. >> >>* Provide a <TITLE> that does not rely on the user having accessed >>documents from which the document is linked to provide contextual >>information for interpreting the <TITLE> >> >>Roy Tennant >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >The embarrasing thing is that I'm not sure what happened to these draft >guidelines, after they were posted. > >There was an early flood of activity on the list, although the volume in >comparison to today is not all that impressive -- an average of ten >messages a day for the first several weeks, which compares to about 15-20 >messages a day now. And even as things change, they still remain the same >(Thomas, does the following sound the least bit familiar, after all these >years?): > >--------------------------------------------------- >>Date: Tue, 24 May 94 15:33:52 -0700 >>From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu >> >>As people start leaving the list, please remember to send your unsuscribe >>commands to the listserv address, not the list itself. >> >>Thomas Dowling >>University of Washington Engineering Library >>tdowling@u.washington.edu >------------------------------------------------------ > >Another very early posting by Thomas presaged a service that has withstood >the test of time: > >------------------------------------------------------ >>Date: Thu, 26 May 94 16:13:34 -0700 >>From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu >> >>Rushing in where angels fear to tread, I have recklessly volunteered to >>keep a list of Library-oriented Web servers. I hope I'm not biting off >>more than I can chew, but what I have so far is at: >> >>http://www.lib.washington.edu/~tdowling/libweb.html >> >>Thomas Dowling >>University of Washington Engineering Library >>tdowling@u.washington.edu >------------------------------------------------------ > >Don't go there now, it long since moved to >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Libweb/ . Thanks for putting up with my >reminiscences, and also for helping make Web4Lib what it is today. >Roy Tennant >Web4Lib Owner Donald J. Napoli, Director St. Joseph County Public Library 304 South Main Street South Bend, IN 46601 USA voice: 219-282-4601 fax: 219-282-4651 e-mail: donald.napoli@gomail.sjcpl.lib.in.us "The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those who sang best." --John James Audubon From kiratoy at panix.com Tue May 12 00:36:22 1998 From: kiratoy at panix.com (Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep)) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:30 2005 Subject: 05.12.98 CSS & Design Spec [ Rookie Query ] In-Reply-To: <000901bd7d1f$d943a870$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980512001232.28507F-100000@panix2.panix.com> I have been using CSS style sheets for about three or four months now. I have read many things on this list about styles and there use. I have questions. In all the books I've read and site I've gone to usually it's described that you use the descriptive size when giving a size. On a couple of sites I've found that when you do a style sheet and you open a page let's say Netscape a site will look one way. Take that same page open it in IE the site looks different the fonts are usually larger on one vs the other. Now i know that for the most part people say we are not looking for exact sizes here we want a "feeling" the reason for the CSS is to add consistancy not to get the "printed page" [ we have DHTML & XML for that ". ] Also take the same site and open it on a macintosh type size will look larger or smaller depening on the orginal platform the site was created on. My question is when validated "font-size=9pt" pulls back and error but the spec says that that is a valid value. to use pt, em ect. If one can prove that one brower and one platform has a consistant behavior vs another and adjust for that via SSI is it not prudent to do so. Or is it not prudent to design to such specific needs even though it is possible. I hope this makes sence what i am asking. Your pages are probably hit more, by all kinds of stuff out there. What are your design requirements? How do you develop a CSS spec and how tight or loose is the design it caters to? <absolute-size> An <absolute-size> keyword is an index to a table of font sizes computed and kept by the UA. Possible values are: [ xx-small | x-small | small | medium | large | x-large | xx-large ]. On a computer screen a scaling factor of 1.5 is suggested between adjacent indexes; if the 'medium' font is 10pt, the 'large' font could be 15pt. Different media may need different scaling factors. Also, the UA should take the quality and availability of fonts into account when computing the table. The table may be different from one font family to another. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can do small things in a great way. -- James Freeman Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kiratoy.com kiratoy@2600.com From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Sun May 17 09:37:39 1998 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980516103728.25223C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980517091740.1136A-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Some on this list have asked whether XML is necessary. Whether or not it is, moving from HTML to XML is not necessarily necessary. I thought the following from Tim Bray (one of the authors of the XML 1.0 specification) was helpful: XML is not ... a replacement for HTML. HTML is an excellent tool for displaying hypermedia documents across a network. If you have XML or SGML, it is easy to generate HTML on the fly. XML is designed for electronic information providers who want to do things that HTML isn't designed for. This quotation is from a page with a good summary the designed benefits of XML: http://www.textuality.com/xml/ Also worth looking at is Bray's annotated version of the XML 1.0 specification at: http://www.xml.com/xml/pub/axml/axmlintro.html Chris Gray Computer Systems Technician Library Systems University of Waterloo From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun May 17 10:50:42 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML In-Reply-To: <9805171420.AA16533@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980517105042.00a4e328@panix.com> With all due respect, no one on the list asked if XML were necessary. The question is whether XML is inevitable. Gazing into my own, highly personal crystal ball, and having had an expert tutor me in its fundamentals, I say yes. Like Roy said, it just needs the right application to support it. The first time I saw the Web, through the Cern line-mode browser, I said "this will never catch on." Even when I used lynx, I thought it was not everyman's tool or a major force to reckon with, and in many ways it wasn't. But the day I spent 17 hours (literally) struggling to get Mosaic up and running on my home computer and then at 10 p.m. saw the Internet through a graphical interface--I knew what it felt like to step on the moon. I actually had to leave the house and drive up and down Route 23 (NJ) for an hour just to get the adrenaline out of my system. With respect to XML, what I don't know is whether that special tool will emerge, whether it will get the right support, whether another technology will surface, or whether XML will be completely OBE'd (overcome by events). Time will tell. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Sun May 17 11:56:13 1998 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980517105042.00a4e328@panix.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980517113840.4177A-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Sorry, my tang got a bit toungled up. The explicit question *is*: Is XML inevitable? But the implicit question is: Do I (random library webmaster) have to learn XML? <IMG SRC="everest.jpg" ALT="XML Learning Curve"> I was trying to assuage the fears of someone with that question in the back of their minds. Sometimes the unbridled enthusiasm of some for a new thing provokes a needlessly negative response from those of a more cautious nature. By the way, the page I pointed to (http://www.textuality.com/xml/) is written in XML and displays just fine with lynx and Netscape 2. Chris Gray Computer Systems Technician Library Systems University of Waterloo On Sun, 17 May 1998, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > With all due respect, no one on the list asked if XML were necessary. The > question is whether XML is inevitable. Gazing into my own, highly personal > crystal ball, and having had an expert tutor me in its fundamentals, I say > yes. Like Roy said, it just needs the right application to support it. > The first time I saw the Web, through the Cern line-mode browser, I said > "this will never catch on." Even when I used lynx, I thought it was not > everyman's tool or a major force to reckon with, and in many ways it > wasn't. But the day I spent 17 hours (literally) struggling to get Mosaic > up and running on my home computer and then at 10 p.m. saw the Internet > through a graphical interface--I knew what it felt like to step on the > moon. I actually had to leave the house and drive up and down Route 23 > (NJ) for an hour just to get the adrenaline out of my system. > > With respect to XML, what I don't know is whether that special tool will > emerge, whether it will get the right support, whether another technology > will surface, or whether XML will be completely OBE'd (overcome by events). > Time will tell. > _________________________________________________________ > Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com > Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 > Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org > Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield > Information is hard work > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From rick.hunter at infonie.fr Sun May 17 12:13:11 1998 From: rick.hunter at infonie.fr (Sebastien Fauvel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: unsiscrible Message-ID: <01bd81ae$afebca00$cc59f2c3@inf1/199617051983770infonie.fr> @+ Sebastien Fauvel Responsable CVGP2I Le Championnat Virtuel de GP2 sur Internet http://webhome.infonie.fr/rick_hunter/ http://www.mygale.org/11/sebas/ (site miroir) -----Message d'origine----- De : Chris Gray <cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca> ? : Multiple recipients of list <> Date : dimanche 17 mai 1998 15:39 Objet : XML vs. HTML >Some on this list have asked whether XML is necessary. Whether or not it >is, moving from HTML to XML is not necessarily necessary. I thought the >following from Tim Bray (one of the authors of the XML 1.0 specification) >was helpful: > >XML is not ... a replacement for HTML. HTML is an excellent tool for >displaying hypermedia documents across a network. If you have XML or SGML, >it is easy to generate HTML on the fly. XML is designed for electronic >information providers who want to do things that HTML isn't designed for. > >This quotation is from a page with a good summary the designed benefits of >XML: http://www.textuality.com/xml/ > >Also worth looking at is Bray's annotated version of the XML 1.0 >specification at: http://www.xml.com/xml/pub/axml/axmlintro.html > >Chris Gray >Computer Systems Technician >Library Systems >University of Waterloo > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun May 17 13:10:01 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980517131001.00b59e1c@panix.com> Chris wrote, "the explicit question *is*: Is XML inevitable? But the implicit question is: Do I (random library webmaster) have to learn XML? <IMG SRC="everest.jpg" ALT="XML Learning Curve">" Again, the point I am trying to make is that XML will not take off until it has a tool that makes it easy for the generalist or near-generalist to apply to many publishing scenarios--but that I anticipate this tool appearing, or, in another scenario, "child of XML" appearing (anyone remember graphical gopher? maybe that's XML... but it was still foreshadowed the Web as we know it). The people who were enthusiastic about the Web during the era of the CERN line-mode browser were only half-right. However, their enthusiasm was not unbridled, but prescient, nor were they uncautious, but farsighted. The library profession overall, on the other hand, has been a late adopter of networked services, and that has not been to its credit. I still recall a librarian saying to me--and this was only a couple of years ago--that he was waiting for this Internet thing to pass. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Sun May 17 17:14:27 1998 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980517131001.00b59e1c@panix.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980517154926.7371A-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> I'm on your side when it comes to enthusiasm for XML. I was, in the first instance, responding to the perception that XML was being offered up as a panacea that everyone *has* to learn. I was trying to point out the difference between the talk that The-Next-Big-Thing tends to get and the much more humble attitude of those actually doing the development. XML is a tool with a purpose and a need, not the answer to everything. I've seen people who are not in the least intimidated by technology alienated by this kind of unqualified enthusiasm for something they would otherwise be receptive to. Is XML here to stay? Most likely. Will user-friendly tools appear? There pretty much here already. Does every web developer need to learn XML? No, but a lot will benefit from learning it. Chris Gray Computer Systems Technician Library Systems University of Waterloo On Sun, 17 May 1998, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > Chris wrote, "the explicit question *is*: Is XML inevitable? But the > implicit question is: Do I (random library webmaster) have to learn XML? > <IMG SRC="everest.jpg" ALT="XML Learning Curve">" > > Again, the point I am trying to make is that XML will not take off until it > has a tool that makes it easy for the generalist or near-generalist to > apply to many publishing scenarios--but that I anticipate this tool > appearing, or, in another scenario, "child of XML" appearing (anyone > remember graphical gopher? maybe that's XML... but it was still > foreshadowed the Web as we know it). The people who were enthusiastic about > the Web during the era of the CERN line-mode browser were only half-right. > However, their enthusiasm was not unbridled, but prescient, nor were they > uncautious, but farsighted. The library profession overall, on the other > hand, has been a late adopter of networked services, and that has not been > to its credit. I still recall a librarian saying to me--and this was only > a couple of years ago--that he was waiting for this Internet thing to pass. > _________________________________________________________ > Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com > Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 > Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org > Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield > Information is hard work > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From bobicki at amigo.net Sun May 17 18:54:57 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: Style Sheets In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980516103728.25223C-100000@library.berkeley. edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980517165457.0083a430@pop.amigo.net> Hi Roy & web4lib ! I am not implying that the browser is "going to blow up" with style sheets. I am however stating that many browsers will not see that content in the fashion you designed if you do so. I maintain my position that Libraries must concentrate on content and style is secondary. When I help Libraries with web pages, I prefer to concentrate on the things around them ... natural resources, points of interest, community events and stuff like that. Lets get the content first ... then we can work on background images, pictures of the library pet etc. So many libraries have resource shortages that just having a presence on the web is an ordeal in itself. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Southwest Regional Library System At 11:18 AM 5/16/98 -0700, Roy Tennant wrote: >On Fri, 15 May 1998, Jeff Bobicki wrote: > >> 2) Style is nice ... but using this technique shuts out a VERY large >> percentage of browsers today. > >I'm not sure what you mean here. Browsers that do not support style sheets >are perfectly comfortable ignoring a tag in the <HEAD> like this: > ><LINK REL="stylesheet" TYPE="text/css" HREF="/Styles/style1"> > >The cardinal rule of browsers is "if you see a tag you don't recognize, >ignore it". It *isn't* "if you see a tag you don't recognize, crash". >What we *do* need to be careful of is browsers or browser versions that do >a poor job of implementing style sheets, and therefore may see something >in the style sheet it doesn't like. That's why for now I've only >implemented styles on the Web4Lib Web site until I've been able to test >for compatibility. But browsers that don't understand style sheets at all >are perfectly happy displaying the documents as they always have. > >So far I've not detected any compatibility problems, but I would >appreciate reports from any of you on any problems you have with documents >at the Web4Lib site at: > >http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/ > >Also, I wanted to throw in two cents related to what Karen Schneider ><kgs@bluehighways.com> asked: > >>So, one question may be, how can we produce stylesheets with maximum >>accuracy, ease and flexibility? > >In following up on one of the CSS resources that Thomas Dowling kindly >posted for our assistance, I discovered a tool that got me going with >style sheets literally within minutes. It is called the "Core CSS >Development Interface" and is produced by Todd Fahrner of Verso. It is >available at: > >http://style.verso.com/stylist.html > >It can be fun to play around with until you find a combination you like, >then you can display the resulting style sheet and drop it on your server. >Unfortunately that doesn't provide the kind of "safe serving" capability >that the Verso server provides, with modules being withheld from browsers >that are not compatible with them, but software such as that may soon >become more available. > >As time goes on, there are likely to be other such quick-start tools, as >well as stylesheet editors that make it easier. >Roy > > ---------------------------------------- From bobicki at amigo.net Sun May 17 19:16:02 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: Response to comments In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980516110159.25223E-100000@library.berkeley. edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980517171602.0083d670@pop.amigo.net> Hi Roy In response to your veiled denouncement of Bob Cherry, he is one of the most knowledgeble network guys on the planet. He has also given lots and lots of time to Libraries for free. Including a couple of weeks of hard core development time to Librowse. Without his effort, Librowse would not exist. Bob will be joining me by invitation at the Colorado Library Association this fall where we will be addressing Librarians in sessions about technology. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki At 11:51 AM 5/16/98 -0700, Roy Tennant wrote: >Wow! There is so much here to on which I want to comment that I don't know >where to start, so I won't. What I *will* do is give my standard advice >whenever someone starts giving a lot of markup and site management advice. >Since there are many differences of opinion on this activity, as there are >in almost any field of endeavor, it's a good idea to go look at the site >of the person giving you the advice (such as http://www.banjo.com/ in this >case). If the site reflects what you believe to be good practice, then pay >attention to the advice. If it doesn't, then don't. This can be a highly >personal thing, as we know from the diversity of sites out there. So judge >for yourself. Thanks, >Roy > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:44:01 -0700 >From: Bob Cherry <cherry@banjo.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> >Subject: Response to comments > >I've been reading the current commentary and have been somewhat interested >in the dialog on CSS (Style Sheets), ADA guidelines, site management use >of frames and broken links. > >I'd like to share some of my experiences with you so hopefully you'll >benefit from my learning -- most of which was by making mistakes:) Your >web pages should be fun and fresh and entertaining. Guidelines and such >actually limit you and do not allow for creative expression. > >One soon realizes that they cannot control all of the users and browsers >in the market. Everything from Lynx (totally text based) to the latest >MSIE4 and Netscape Communicator 4.x, must be capable of reading your web >site or you tune out readers. The basic rule of any web site is to keep >it simple if you want everybody to be able to view or read it. Plug ins, >special features etc. always eliminate somebody on the outside from seeing >the inside. > >Style Sheets -- Drop them like a hot rock. There is a better and more >universal approach which achieves the same thing and will work with any >browser. The concept of template files. These are basic blank HTML files >which you insert your content into. They have already defined the >background, horizontal graphics, fonts, etc. These will allow you to >quickly add pages and maintain a consistent look and feel to every page on >your site. It makes your site have a unique style and identity. I use >these on my web site and its clearly evident as I have over 500 HTML pages >and they all have a consistent look and feel. It also speeds up the >addition of new pages. > > >You need a set of graphics you'll always use and maybe even a background >image. Make sure you always put in alternate text for every graphic. > >As for <CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <STRONG> etc., not every browser treats these >uniquely and some don't do anything with these tags. They will become >more predominant in the future but not right now. Check out >http://www.htmlgoodies.com/html_ref.html for what to use and not use. >This is an excellent reference for HTML. > >One last comment, if you're going to teach CSS and think that you want to >support it, teach it now so that content creators will be ready for it >when its reach constitutes a significant market share. Don't try and play >catchup. > >ADA Guidelines -- Set your own standards! Web sites which are unique and >have a fresh appearance will keep your patrons coming back. If they all >look the same and act the same, they become boring. Every book, article, >and document on successful web sites recommends avoiding global >guidelines. > > >If libraries come up with standards and guidelines for web sites, they >should consider that each library may have a unique target audience >(legal, medical, public, K12, educational, etc.) and their pages should >reflect their purpose. > >For accessibility, use Bobby as was mentioned earlier. This is a great >package and it isn't that difficult to make your pages compliant. One >area I've had a great deal of difficulty with is forms and CGI. Packages >like Bobby don't work with these very well. > >Fonts (Funky Old Nasty Things) -- Try and stick with browser standard >fonts. If the reader doesn't have the specific font on their system, it >won't display properly. HTML is a markup language and not a Page >Description Language like Postscript, Interpress, etc. The user may >define the look and feel of their environment and if they are visually >impaired, your changing of fonts may make your pages hard to read. > > >I believe its OK to change font sizes but try and avoid changing the >family (font name) of the font. If you want expression, make and create a >graphic instead (remember the alternate text) and use that. This way, the >reader doesn't require the font on their system and you don't need to >include it with the document page. > >Broken Links and Roving Sites -- These are a royal pain for any web site >which has links to other sites. It also teaches you that if you want to >be found, don't move :) Often a site keeps moving or changing its URL so >that one needs to constantly spend time and resources updating links. It >isn't your fault but rather, the fault of those who keep changing. I have >a rule on my site that if a site moves twice in one year, its history as >far as links are concerned. I drop quite a few every month but, I also >add new ones. This is both beneficial and detrimental but, it helps keep >the site accurate and less of a site management nightmare. > >Alas, managing broken links is made easy by various site management aids >such as LinkBot, Crystal Site Updater, HoTMetaL Pro's site manager and >many others. These all basically do the same thing... They verify your >links directly through the web. I highly recommend them! > >Finding Your Site and Search Engines -- A whole document could be written >about this subject but alas, there are basically three things to consider >for making your web site aware to search engines. > >1. Register them. Use tools like www.submit-it.com and the home page >"add URL" function on the main search engines. > >2. Use META tags to define your content. > >3. Maintain two text files in your root directory: > a. robots.txt > b. site.idx > >These will all aid your site and will automatically manage your updates >for you. A real treat. Note that CGI pages are never indexed however >ISINDEX pages can be. Something to consider when planning your site. The >web has all the info you need on these and some is referenced by the above >URL. > >Page Layout -- Although High Resolution displays are used almost >universally today, most folks still run them at low resolution. Thus, >every web page should be viewable on a 640 x 480 display. Dumb, yes but, >its a necessity. So, what you want to do is define some site limits. >Tables and graphics (horizontal lines, etc.) should be limited to 580 >pixels wide. I use 540 so things look centered nicely but 580 is a good >hard limit. Limit the vertical to 360 pixels since browsers may have rows >of menu buttons on them. If it looks nice there, any size will look nice >if its planned out properly. > > >Frames -- I had them and spent so much time reading complaint mail that >they are now history. I haven't had frames on my pages in over 2 years. >I don't miss them nor their management and I find that I can do everything >I want without them. I prefer script (vbscript, javascript, etc.) or CGI >which is mostly written in Perl. Invisible Tables are a great alternative >also and allow a lot of flexibility in placing objects on your pages. Try >it as they are very low overhead and give a lot of flexibility. > >Web Activity and Usage -- Analog is a good program and is easily >customized. You may make it look unique very easily so that it matches >your site's look and feel. Just a few minor edits to the code and maybe >changing the graphics will do it. Track only what's important to you. >You don't have to graph everything. On a site like mine that gets 30,000 >hits a day, you need to conserve CPU time in generating these. Keep them >around monthly, quarterly or annually. Print them out before you clear >your logs. > > >There are other tools out there which are also great at trending reports >and usage statistics. WebTrends and similar packages can help you out but >they aren't free like Analog. I use different tools for different jobs >but, you'll soon find out what you need and don't need. Play with it and >don't be afraid to change things. > >Final Comments -- HTML Editor Packages. There are many of these and I've >found that SoftQuad's HoTMetaL Pro 4 is a good buy. It includes Bobby, >Graphics tools, HTML Validation, the ability to import various file >formats and fully supports templates. There are a lot of other perks with >it also. FrontPage is also common but it doesn't generate as good of HTML >as does HoTMetaL Pro. Some editors fill up your pages with   >characters and garbage; don't end list items </LI> or paragraphs </P> and >allow illegal nesting of tags. Beware of these! > >Browsers. Basically there are three that your pages must work with... > a. Netscape > b. MS Internet Explorer > c. Opera > >If your pages look good with ALL of these, then they work and should keep >your readers happy. > >Copyright Infringement is one area that really bugs me. I spend a great >deal of time and money (software purchases) to keep my sites graphics >unique and pleasing. I often find other site using my graphics and audio >files (midi) and that isn't right. Take the time to build your own and >don't go and copy them from somebody elses site. Sure its easy but, it >isn't right. > >Last of all, HAVE FUN! Creating web sites is a LOT of FUN and allows >anybody to be creative and to express their purpose or ideas. Try and not >fall into canned or predefined rules as they will limit you in trying to >achieve what you want to do. My site breaks almost all the rules but, >over time, I've figured out what I can and cannot get away with. My home >page is almost totally graphical and uses a CGI based menu to navigate >around in it. Probably not a good idea to start with but, in my case and >with my audience, it works. > >I'm a webmaster for numerous Global Fortune 1000 corporations, >www.banjo.com, and numerous others, I'd like to share some of my >experience with all of this. I have also been a worldwide network >consultant and am currently working for one of America's biggest network >service providers. My web site was the 7th ever in the world. This stuff >isn't new to me. I was also co-author of Librowse, a free web browser >designed totally for libraries. So, if you got this far and want to see >my site, its at http://www.banjo.com and is a bluegrass music site. > > >Thanks for your time. >Bob Cherry >Internet and Networking Consultant > > > ---------------------------------------- From bobicki at amigo.net Sun May 17 21:24:26 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: Jeff's new website Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980517192426.007e7210@pop.amigo.net> Hi !! Introducing my new website ... Lilith Fair '98 .. A Celebration of Women in Music ... A Guide to Colorado and New Mexico concerts, ticket info, Artist links, midi's, maps and news. A member of the Official Lilith Fair Webring and the Shadows Webring. I just have to think that the respect I have gained over the past couple of years working with Librarians ... (almost all of you being women) had something to do with me wanting to do this. http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/lilith1.html Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Sun May 17 22:30:01 1998 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: Changing Win95 shutdown default Message-ID: <78583DC6D0A@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Hi An easy one for the Win95 experts. Is there a registry key somewhere that lets you change the default shutdown option? eg. Default to "Restart the computer" instead of "Shutdown the computer". If there is where is it? Thanks Regards Glen *********************************************************** Glen Davies Information Technology Librarian Christchurch College of Education glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz ************************************************************ From cherry at banjo.com Mon May 18 01:47:38 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:33 2005 Subject: Response to comments In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980517171602.0083d670@pop.amigo.net> Message-ID: <199805180548.GAA01977@delta.info.net> Style sheets may become common place soon but, they aren't there yet. Neither is compiled HTML, dynamic HTML and other variants. While it is true the technology exists, this doesn't imply that now is the time to always use these new capabilities. Some necessary HTML elements are also absent in the current state of the art such as the ability to "include" html fragments such as forms to a multitude of pages. These will come to be someday. In the early days of HTML, graphics were barely supported. Today, they are present as is audio and other nice add-ons. I believe its good to be aware of the evolving technologies such as IPV6 and other advances. I believe its good to become aware of the technologies and to watch them evolve however, experience has shown many times over that what may be cool and available today will not necessarily become a de facto standard down the road. Tables are a great point of this. The first use of tables doesn't resemble today's approach at all. Jeff is right...content is the number one thing to consider. Without that, the bells and whistles are just toys. There must be some content and context to bind them together. Access to all browsers is probably 2nd. I preview every page with three browsers. MS Internet Explorer 4.x, Netscape Communicator 4.x and Opera 3.x Cybergrass, my web site listens to its readers. That's why there are no frames and other available fancy features. My readers told me to get rid of them so, I did. Other items evolved from listening to my readers. The CGI based menu is one of those as is my CGI events calendar with search functions and other interactive elements. So, the point is: Have a necessary and valid reason for putting something into the site and make sure that it doesn't cost you readers. I receive about four or five messages from readers every day (I created a form for comments) and I read every one. I haven't had a complaint in a long time now. Roy says to judge a site for yourself. This is good advice. Ground rules, guidelines and style guides limit your creativity. My site breaks a lot of the rules others say to do and don't do. Why do I do it? Because I know my audience. There is knowing your audience and **KNOWING** your audience. I have a survey run each year, participate in 3rd party measurements, and read about my site in the press quite frequently. Thus, I get feedback from others and don't necessarily judge it myself. Yes, I broke one cardinal rule (fast download) but, I also know that the majority of my readers are not on dialup lines and those that are have bookmarked my text based contents page. Thus, I provide a win-win situation. Awards are another good way to measure the effectiveness of your site. For the past two years, my site has placed 3rd each year in a quality contest of over 250,000 different sites around the planet. We were invited to participate in the United States Government's National Information Infrastructure contest (I don't remember its exact name) where we received recognition but didn't place. We've received dozens of awards and I don't even post them any more. We were the media section last year in the Czech Republic's 'Hitbox' magazine (their equivalent of Billboard). This affirmed our reach to a truely international audience. A Korean company put our entire web site on a CD for their educational program. Thus, what you see on my site and other top 1000 sites of the world is not just the addition of neat toys but, rather, their integration into a package that works for everybody. Keep it simple, uncluttered and appealing/entertaining. Style sheets and other bells and whistles (ShockWave, VRML, etc.) don't work for everybody. This is why I say to avoid them. If they ever become a truely universal standard, that is the time to adopt them. Bob. From david at cn.net.au Tue May 19 03:31:18 1998 From: david at cn.net.au (David Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Research Strategy Guides Message-ID: <199805190731.PAA01500@gothic.iinet.net.au> An emerging opportunity in collection development is linking to research collections on the net. See the Farmington Community Library Ready Reference http://metronet.lib.mi.us/fcl/readyref.html as an example. Here is a description of our project, The Spire Project... Research Strategy and Resource Guidance The Spire Project is a collection of serious research strategy guidance articles - compiled and overseen by Community Networking (Australia) but hosted at five sites, free shareware and an FAQ. Existing articles cover topics like Country Profiles, UN Resources, Statistical Bureaux, Books, Professional Research Resources, and more. Each article describes a strategy, while linking and noting the important resources available. The "Locating Books" article, for example, links to the free Government Publication Databases: MOCAT, UKOP and AGIP. The Spire Project is prepared as a .zip file ready for hosting on library websites, University department websites and workplace intranets. The process is simple and benefits your patrons with both faster access speeds and awareness to these resources. Hosting sites also benefit with the kudos for bringing such information to your patrons, as all Spire Sites are the same, and stand alone. This is an improvement on the previous Information Research FAQ & Information Research Key. Visit http://library.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/infokey or http://cn.net.au to see the result. David Novak david@cn.net.au Spire Project Team Incl: http://cn.net.au From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Tue May 19 05:08:17 1998 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Summer Dynamic Duo Workshops On XML and DHTML Open Message-ID: <199805190908.CAA08365@kiki.arlington.com> +-----------------------------------------------+ | THE DYNAMIC DUO WORKSHIP: XML & DYNAMIC HTML | +-----------------------------------------------+ The Dynamic Duo Workshop: XML & Dynamic HTML is a six-week workshop conducted entirely via email and the World Wide Web (WWW). It introduces the beginner and somewhat more advanced user to the eXtensibe Markup Language (XML) and dynamic HyperText Markup Language (HTML). For further information about the workshop, please see the URL http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/duo.html HOW TO SIGN UP Two Dynamic Duo Workshops are scheduled for this summer: June Session June 8 - July 17 July Session July 6 - August 14 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an e-mail message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: subscribe duo-jun the June session of Dynamic Duo subscribe duo-jul the July session of Dynamic Duo This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send e-mail to the address in the signature line. The workshop leader, Thomas P. Copley, Ph.D., has successfully taught several on-line courses in the past, including most recently, Tune In the Net Workshop <http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html>, first offered in 1997 and Make the Link Workshop <http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html>, introduced in 1995. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Tue May 19 07:19:02 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Apache: uncompressing 'on the fly'? Message-ID: <v0211010cb1871aadd57f@[203.55.117.184]> At 10:26 PM 1998/05/18, Steve Thomas wrote: >Is there a way of having the Apache web server uncompress files 'on the >fly', i.e. of having a compressed file automatically de-compressed byt the >server when responding to the user's request for the document? Has apache got a preprocess option triggered by a file extention? eg pipe *.xyz files through an xyz process beofre serving. Tony ____________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone +61 4-1242-0397 or in Australia 041 242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From rlevine at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org Tue May 19 08:37:44 1998 From: rlevine at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org (Rick Levine) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Changing Win95 shutdown default In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980518145711.00840990@pop.amigo.net> Message-ID: <000001bd8322$ec264660$fce885d0@cwmars.org> >Is there a registry key somewhere that lets you change the default >shutdown option? eg. Default to "Restart the computer" instead of >"Shutdown the computer". If there is where is it? Not exactly what you're looking for, but the Internet Explorer 4.0 shell (as well as Win98 and NT4) will at least retain the last shutdown choice you select. Browser wars aside, the "local explorer" features of IE4 are worth consideration. --------------- Rick Levine, Technical Specialist Central Massachusetts Regional Library System 3 Salem Square, Worcester, MA 01608-2074 voice: 508 799-1684 fax: 508 799-1611 rlevine@cwmars.org From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Tue May 19 09:16:31 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Thanx Message-ID: <3561862F.B938E173@am.appstate.edu> I would like to thank all those that responded to the "My Computer icon" query. It seems there is no built-in method to hide just the My Computer icon without disabling all desktop icons. And, certain programs can be disabled from the policy editor such as Regedit and some control panel programs. But more over, Windows 95 needs third party programs for setting true security restrictions. Some may not remember this query but I have just now caught up in my work to where I can send this response. Thanx Thomas -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by the number of complaints received From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Tue May 19 09:24:07 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: schoool / public internet policy References: <3.0.5.32.19980518104213.007fde90@pop.imine.net> Message-ID: <356187F7.9173E0C1@am.appstate.edu> I have not had experience in this or a similar matter, but it seems that you are a "guest" of the school library. I don't endorse restrictions myself and I don't approve of non-parental guidance in any manner. In an analogy with city and state, the city is allowed to make it's own rules as long as they are not in direct conflict with the state's regulations. Although, in the public library building you have your right to set and impose rules that the library's administration has agreed upon. You may ask yourself: Are there any policies or agreements made between the public library and the school library when this union began that might be in effect in this situation? ...when in Rome... m2cw Thomas Renee Vaillancourt wrote: > This message is being cross-posted to Web4Lib and PUBLIB. Please excuse any > duplication. > > One of our public library branches is located in a high school. The public > library collection is housed in a section of the high school library. The > library is run by the media specialist during school hours, and by a public > librarian one evening a week and on Saturdays. High school students are > allowed to check out any books in the high school collection without a > card, and any books in the public library collection with a public library > card (which parents have to sign for minors under the age of 18.) The > public can check out public library or high school library books using > their public library card. > > Here's the rub: the high school library is about to make public Internet > access available. They are currently drafting an Internet use policy that > is likely to be more restrictive than the current public library policy > (although we don't anticipate the use of filters.) How do we reconcile the > access philosophies of the two institutions? Should the public have > different Internet access than the students? What about students who use > the library after school or on the weekends? What about adults that use the > library during school hours? Should we draft one policy that would apply to > all patrons, regardless of status? > > If anyone has experienced a similar situation, I would be very interested > in hearing how you responded to it. Thanks in advance for your help. > > ***************************** > Renee J. Vaillancourt > Assistant Director > Missoula (MT) Public Library > rvail@mtlib.org > ***************************** -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by the number of complaints received From lydia at HULmail.Harvard.EDU Tue May 19 10:11:14 1998 From: lydia at HULmail.Harvard.EDU (lydia) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Apache: uncompressing 'on the fly'? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980519100946.26998D-100000@sylvia> Here's an answer from our sysadmin--maybe this is all you need? > Is there a way of having the Apache web server uncompress files 'on the > fly', i.e. of having a compressed file automatically de-compressed byt the > server when responding to the user's request for the document? What you want to use is the AddHandler, AddType, and/or Action directives. These basically associates particular file extensions (.Z, .zip, .gz, etc) or MIME types with particular actions to be taken on those files. So you might say Action application/zip unzip This makes all .zip files be passed through unzip. Presumably unzip has to live in the standard cgi-bin. Action application/x-tar tar.xf This passes .tar files through a cgi-script called tar.xf. tar.xf would look something like #!/bin/csh tar xf - Note that you wouldn't want to do this with tar archives containing more than one file. Or, to use your very own personal compression program, you might say Action application/x-custom-compression /my-cgi-bin/mydecompress AddType application/x-custom-compression myZ Now all files with .myZ extenions will be decompressed by /my-cgi-bin/mydecompress. More details at http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_actions.html http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_mime.html - Alex Aminoff Unix System Administratror Harvard University Library Office of Information Systems From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Tue May 19 10:48:37 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Absolute and relative font sizes; was RE: Response to comments Message-ID: <v02110100b1874b24b4a3@[203.55.117.184]> At 6:16 PM 1998/05/18, Robert Rasmussen wrote: >What is NOT possible in HTML, up until CSS, is PRECISE control of font size - >making certain text display at 12 point (just like TV programmers can't make >your TV produce exactly 65 decibels). I hope that is never the case. As a reader _I_ want to control the font size and face that I read not what some designer thinks looks "good" to them. As my eyesight declines this will become of increasing importance to me. I understand due to some representations made from the Sunrise Labs in Australia that the standard will be to allow for the reader to override whatever style that is specified in the document. This is to be applauded. Tony ____________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone +61 4-1242-0397 or in Australia 041 242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From goodeld at wou.edu Tue May 19 12:36:19 1998 From: goodeld at wou.edu (Dale E. Goodell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Fortres, WinSelect & Cooler In-Reply-To: <9805191446.AA03307@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <4DB7C1E5C8E@fsa.wou.edu> I have used Fortres 101 and IKIOSK with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 for a couple of years now with no conflicts or problems running the two programs together. For our needs, the two programs have complimented one another very well. I will be upgrading our public workstations to Windows 95 this summer and am considering both Cooler and WinSelect. Based on my experience with Fortres and IKIOSK thus far, I don't think one could go wrong with either vendor. Because Cooler and WinSelect seem to do more similar things now, I believe it would be redundant to use both programs. Because my experience with these products thus far is with Windows 3, I am merely speculating as to Cooler and WinSelect with Windows 95. I'm sure we'd all appreciate any comments from those who have successfully implemented either produet with Windows 95. ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell User Support Analyst Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 Internet: goodeld@fsa.wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From cblih at comp.uark.edu Tue May 19 12:02:15 1998 From: cblih at comp.uark.edu (CB Lih) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Fortres, Winselect, Cooler Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980519102501.16305C-100000@comp> Actually, I'm only addressing Cooler. I've been working with it for a couple months. Until recently that meant working with Beta versions. I've gotten to like the program and intend to use it with WinU on some of our public workstations. Once I got used to its interface I found it easy enough to use. However, even the public production package feels very much like Beta software. There are some problems. One of the biggest is that it doesn't work with Netscape 4.x. They plan to add 4.x compatiblity soon. In the meantime we're using v. 3.0.4. Another problem is that in the current release there's a gaping hole in the security. The use of a common Win95 method of quitting programs can easily unload Cooler. Cooler unloaded means there is no protection. They are now aware of the problem and say they will get back to me next week on how they're going to fix it. So why do I like it? I like its total control of menus and clickable areas within a program. I use it to turn off some of netscape's buttons and leave others on. I like the way I can compose a message that will notify the user that a particular feature has been turned off. This should reduce the amount of "Hey, Netscape is broken!" calls to the support staff. Another nice thing about this approach of using third party software instead of system reconfiguration or command line modifications of Netscape is that you can turn it off. It's simple to disarm (with a password, of course) leaving you with a normal Win95 session to do any necessary maintenance. Hoping to help, CB Lih cblih@comp.uark.edu Systems - University Libraries University of Arkansas MULN Fayetteville, AR 72701 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue May 19 12:29:57 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:36 2005 Subject: Absolute and relative font sizes; was RE: Response to comments In-Reply-To: <v02110100b1874b24b4a3@[203.55.117.184]> Message-ID: <000b01bd8343$5cbc6560$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> > At 6:16 PM 1998/05/18, Robert Rasmussen wrote: > >What is NOT possible in HTML, up until CSS, is PRECISE control > of font size - > >making certain text display at 12 point (just like TV > programmers can't make > >your TV produce exactly 65 decibels). > > I hope that is never the case. As a reader _I_ want to control the font > size and face that I read not what some designer thinks looks "good" to > them. As my eyesight declines this will become of increasing > importance to > me. Perhaps we should rephrase the claim. CSS gives a precise language for *suggesting* font size, by point size, percentage, etc. Like any powerful tool, it can be misused to detrimental effect. > > I understand due to some representations made from the Sunrise Labs in > Australia that the standard will be to allow for the reader to override > whatever style that is specified in the document. This is to be > applauded. > Definitely. The "C" in CSS does stand for "Cascading" and determines who wins when style rules conflict. The CSS spec assumes the user has access to a personal style sheet; the order of precendence from lowest to highest priority is: Normal user settings Normal author settings Author settings marked "!important" User settings marked "!important" The last two rules are reversed from CSS1, which is a Good Thing. Users always have the trump card. Several other rules determine precendence within each of these categories: CSS2 section 6.4.1 spells them out, <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/cascade.html#cascading-order>. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon May 25 10:49:01 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:40 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <01bd87ec$41370b80$e6d0430c@thomas.ohiolink.edu> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Barry <tonyb@netinfo.com.au> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 10:21 AM Subject: Re:HTML: WEB typography >At 5:42 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: >>This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft >>products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. > >Why? Many of us choose not to use Microsofts's expensive, huge, slow and >insecure products. > >Avoid anything which is platform or vendor specific. > Tony-- You did actually look at these pages before firing off this post, right? And noticed the lists of Macintosh system fonts, XFree and X11 fonts, GhostScript fonts, and Adobe Type Manager fonts, right? What else would you like this site to provide? As has been noted several times, it does no good to specify fonts if they don't exist on the user's machine (even given decent font-embedding schemes). However, many users--for good or bad, by choice or by organizational policy--use Microsoft operating systems and/or office applications. For those web authors who do want to suggest font names, the pages cited allow for informed guesswork. [Farther down the thread...] >It's good design to try and make your content intelligible to as many of >your readers as you can. With FACE you therefore want to provide >alternatives for Windows, MacOS and Unix. It seems like this shouldn't be necessary. I sure wish that my browser had access to a registry of font names that could reliably find analogs on my system. For instance, I have three versions of Palatino, none of which is actually called Palatino (one of my versions was actually created by the original designer, Hermann Zapf, so I assume it's a pretty good rendition). It would be a boon to cross-platform writing if you, as an author, could specify "font-family: Palatino" any my browser, not finding that font name, could consult a table and come up with either Zapf Calligraphic or Book Antiqua as alternatives. Hmm, idle thoughts on an idle day (it's a holiday here in the States). >...Within a fairly short time we can expect some viewing to be done on >the equivalent of mobile phones which will have an interesting bearing on >this. I've already spotted a few hits from a Nokia browser on our system. To me, this is another strong indicator that we need to get layout kludges out of HTML, and get browser support for alternate stylesheets. This would be simply handled in CSS by an "@media handheld" rule. General caveat: there's much more to page design and to typography than font selection. This is the tip of the iceberg. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From morgan at valunet.com Thu May 28 08:26:27 1998 From: morgan at valunet.com (Morgan Paul) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors In-Reply-To: <199805280146.CAA00228@delta.info.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980528082627.00845260@valunet.com> Dear Bob, I understand your problem, but at my library it is a little different problem. I recently had a rash of trouble calls all on the same day with several staff computers. It seems that some of the staff loaded a program that required the colors to be 256. So anything that was using higher resolution either looked terrible or was a black screen. The program they loaded wouldn't work unless the color was set to 256. I know that I have most of our public monitors set to 16bit color. This is NOT the case in the children's room. For some reason their software requires 256 more than other software. Does anyone know of a workaround for this? I just made the staff aware of what was happening and they change their settings as needed. I can't do that for the public computers. Those settings are locked - intentionally. Morgan Paul Carnegie Public Library East Liverpool, Ohio 43920 paulmo@mail.oplin.lib.oh.us >Another thing I noticed was that the monitor being used was capable of 1280 x 1024 resolution at 24-bit color yet was configured to run at 640 x 480 8-bit color. This raised a question: Why spend all those precious dollars on display controllers and high-resolution monitors if you're going to run them in a low-resolution low color mode? It seems like a waste of resources to me. > >I'd like to hear from libraries who have intentionally setup their systems for 640x480 256 colors to better understand why this is. > From arnett at alink.net Thu May 28 08:44:32 1998 From: arnett at alink.net (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <4A256612.001ECE4B.00@> Message-ID: <199805281244.FAA18368@alink.net> At 10:53 PM 5/27/98 -0700, mbancroft@ssc.nsw.gov.au wrote: > >We are working to make our catalogue available on the web via a Z39.50 >gateway (or z-client). We are running a z-daemon on our library server. >I am searching for a good tutorial on how IP addresses work in conjunction >with port numbers. >The problem is that since a firewall was installed on our corporate LAN we >cannot hit our database. IP addresses refer to a particular machine (one machine sometimes has more than one IP address, but you probably don't have that issue). Port numbers refer to logical connections on a machine, so the combination of an IP address plus a port is always required to make a logical connection. Lower port numbers are considered "well-known" addresses because they are the defaults for various services such as POP and SMTP for e-mail or HTTP for the Web. For example, the default address for Web servers is 80. If you're connecting to most Web servers, you don't have to include the "80" in the address because the software does it for you as the default. You may have noticed a few Web sites where there's a number after the address, separated by a colon, such as "web.foo.com:8090". That means port 8090 instead of the default of 80. The name "web.foo.com" is resolved by DNS to the IP address. Your firewall probably blocks all but the most common well-known ports. It may even block some well-known ones, such as POP, to prevent people from trying to hack your system via e-mail clients. Since z39.50 is not widely used, your firewall is probably blocking port 210, preventing sysetms outside the firewall from connecting inside via that port. If everything was working prior to installing the firewall, chances are you just need to change the firewall configuration to stop filtering port 210. That should be documented; it is the fundamental purpose of the firewall to allow you to control these things. Hope that helps... Nick -- Phone/fax: (408) 733-7613 E-mail: narnett@mccmedia.com "Defy Demographics!" From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Thu May 28 08:55:38 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: NETSCAPE PREFERENCES In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980528082627.00845260@valunet.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528084934.11473B-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> In the neverending attempt to keep Navigator from becoming a menace to all who touched it, I've been trying the various ways to keep the history file on Navigator from filling with all the web sites are patrons visit, including www.hotsex.com, www.ty.com, etc. I've set netscape.hst and prefs.js as read-only, after clearing the web sites from the prefs file and each time Netscape is reopened, the history is clear. However, I'm wondering if setting the prefs file as read-only is going to cause problems at some point. Any warnings?? Thanks! Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI From arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca Thu May 28 09:18:15 1998 From: arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca (Rhyno Art) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: AutoSpawn Browser Sessions In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980527175055.21401I-100000@info.sonoma.lib.ca.us> from "Jim Rosaschi" at May 27, 98 06:26:42 pm Message-ID: <199805281318.JAA12725@server.uwindsor.ca> > > The problem we are having is mostly with users who access recreational > graphic sex sites on our public use workstations. We use Netscape. > One option might be to look at Netscape's DDE support. If you have a program launch Netscape that can handle DDE it could probably close down any extra windows that are opened. We used DDE briefly to redirect requests for certain pages on the web to an alternative site and it seemed to be very powerful. We used ScriptEase, but other programs like winbatch, flute, and visual basic could also be candidates. Netscape's DDE support is outlined at: http://home.netscape.com/newsref/std/ddeapi.html Hope this helps, art --- Art Rhyno, Systems Librarian Leddy Library, University of Windsor Internet: arhyno@uwindsor.ca Tel: (519) 253-4232, EXT. 3163 FAX: (519) 973-7076 WWW: <http://www.uwindsor.ca/library/leddy/people/art.html> From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu May 28 09:18:04 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors References: <3.0.5.32.19980528082627.00845260@valunet.com> Message-ID: <356D640C.2B825272@morrisville.edu> All of our public terminals are set to 800 by 600 pixels. We have 15 inch monitors on most of our machines. Setting to kihger resolution can make it harder for visually handicapped and a database we will soom be subscribing to uses special Netscape plugins that require 800 by 600 resolution to display a special proprietary document format (RepairLine from Mitchell's for our automotive tech program). I try to desgin our public pages for 800 by 600 format. I also reduce the number of colors in JPEG files when I use them. Morgan Paul wrote: > > Dear Bob, > > I understand your problem, but at my library it is a little different > problem. I recently had a rash of trouble calls all on the same day with > several staff computers. It seems that some of the staff loaded a program > that required the colors to be 256. So anything that was using higher > resolution either looked terrible or was a black screen. The program they > loaded wouldn't work unless the color was set to 256. > > I know that I have most of our public monitors set to 16bit color. This is > NOT the case in the children's room. For some reason their software > requires 256 more than other software. > > Does anyone know of a workaround for this? I just made the staff aware of > what was happening and they change their settings as needed. I can't do > that for the public computers. Those settings are locked - intentionally. > > Morgan Paul > Carnegie Public Library > East Liverpool, Ohio 43920 > paulmo@mail.oplin.lib.oh.us > > >Another thing I noticed was that the monitor being used was capable of > 1280 x 1024 resolution at 24-bit color yet was configured to run at 640 x > 480 8-bit color. This raised a question: Why spend all those precious > dollars on display controllers and high-resolution monitors if you're going > to run them in a low-resolution low color mode? It seems like a waste of > resources to me. > > > >I'd like to hear from libraries who have intentionally setup their systems > for 640x480 256 colors to better understand why this is. > > -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From Kirk_Nims at michcon.com Thu May 28 09:23:41 1998 From: Kirk_Nims at michcon.com (Kirk_Nims@michcon.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers Message-ID: <85256612.0048E54B.00@mc-extnbkup.michcon.com> On 5/28 Nick said.- Since z39.50 is not widely used, your firewall is probably blocking port 210, preventing sysetms outside the firewall from connecting inside via that port. If everything was working prior to installing the firewall, chances are you just need to change the firewall configuration to stop filtering port 210. ----------------------- This is my very problem. Our security and network folks are affraid to open ports 210 and 2210 for outbound traffic so I can use z39.50 through our firewall. Does anyone comprehend the security risks of enabling traffic over ports 210 and 2210 to support z39.50 activity? I posted this question several weeks ago and had virtually no input. TIA Kirk Nims Librarian Michigan Consolidated Gas Co. Detroit, MI 313-226-9091 knims@michcon.com From kharriss at d.umn.edu Thu May 28 09:47:54 1998 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors In-Reply-To: <199805280146.CAA00228@delta.info.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980528084248.4588B-100000@bulldog3.d.umn.edu> Bob Cherry asked about libraries intentionally setting their public PCs to 640x480 256color mode. That would include us. We have 14" monitors on most of our public PCs, and a mix of older and newer PCs - containing older and newer video cards. All of our public PCs are loaded with the same software, from a single master copy. When we reach the point where our lowest-end PCs can do better, I'm sure we will change our video display mode. -- Kyle Harriss kharriss@d.umn.edu Tech Services voice: 218-726-6546 UMD Library fax: 218-726-8019 Duluth, MN 55812 From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Thu May 28 09:00:32 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: NETSCAPE PREFERENCES In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528084934.11473B-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980528090032.1ccf3ce4@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 06:13 AM 5/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >. . . >. . . However, I'm wondering if setting the prefs file as read-only is >going to cause problems at some point. Any warnings?? > >Thanks! > >Andrew Mutch >Northville District Library >Northville, MI > Don't know about the other issues you raised but we have had prefs.js set to read-only for about 3 months now. Our goal was to prevent changes one patron might make to fonts, colors, etc. from effecting subsequent patrons. So far I have noticed nothing more that Netscape's normal quirky nature. If anyone with a deeper knowledge knows a reason we shouldn't do this I would like to hear as well. Thanks Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From hru at novsrv.ub.tuwien.ac.at Thu May 28 09:58:50 1998 From: hru at novsrv.ub.tuwien.ac.at (Hans Hrusa) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: NETSCAPE PREFERENCES References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528084934.11473B-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <356D6D9A.3AB8@novsrv.ub.tuwien.ac.at> Andrew J. Mutch wrote: > I've set netscape.hst and prefs.js as read-only, after clearing the web > sites from the prefs file and each time Netscape is reopened, the history > is clear. However, I'm wondering if setting the prefs file as read-only is > going to cause problems at some point. Any warnings?? > Try a recent version of the communicator! You can set the whole subdirectory read-only, it works good! An expert user may change the preferences, but with the next start of the communicator settings are sent to nirwana! (by the way, name the proxy server "you are not allowed to use this address", - in the "manual proxy section" - and put in the section "no proxy for" the IP and domain range you want your users to access! It prevents most users of reading the playboy ...) Greetings form Vienna, -- Hans M. Hrusa, Univ. of Technology, Library A-1040 Vienna, Resselgasse 4 Phone: +43-1-58801-5965 Fax: +43-1-5868387 Email: hru@novsrv.ub.tuwien.ac.at From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu May 28 10:18:50 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology Message-ID: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... What do you call those sites that basically consist of links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of unannotated links. I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering if there is another term that's commonly used........ Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Thu May 28 10:59:56 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <4A256612.001ECE4B.00@> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980528094320.4997E-100000@sparc> On Wed, 27 May 1998 mbancroft@ssc.nsw.gov.au wrote: > > We are working to make our catalogue available on the web via a Z39.50 > gateway (or z-client). We are running a z-daemon on our library server. > I am searching for a good tutorial on how IP addresses work in conjunction > with port numbers. > The problem is that since a firewall was installed on our corporate LAN we > cannot hit our database. > I am confused about addressing and port numbers. Where do the port numbers > (210 in the case of Z39.50) come into play? > The IP address of our library alphaserver is obviously different from the > IP address of the firewall which sits in front of it. > Is our target address, e.g. the_ firewall:210 ? > > TIA > > Max Bancroft > Sutherland Shire Libraries and Information Service. > Sutherland, NSW Australia. Some firewalls do packet filtering of one form or another. Nick Arnett addressed the situation regarding those firewalls. Other firewalls use network address translation (NAT) or IP masquerading as part of their security. Packets from machines behind the firewall are rewritten either to use an IP address from one of a pool of IP addresses assigned by the firewall (in the case of NAT) or to use the IP address of the firewall itself (in the case of IP masquerading). Is it possible that your institution is using one of these forms of firewalling? Could that be why you are asking if the target address is firewall:210? In either NAT or IP masquerading, machines behind the firewall aren't accessible from the outside under their actual IP addresses, and enabling inbound traffic is more complicated than with the various forms of untranslated firewalling. I think it is still doable in some fashion, but whether that fashion satisfies those responsible for your network security is another matter. Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Thu May 28 11:12:01 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <85256612.0048E54B.00@mc-extnbkup.michcon.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980528100132.4997G-100000@sparc> On Thu, 28 May 1998 Kirk_Nims@michcon.com wrote: > On 5/28 Nick said.- > > Since z39.50 is not widely used, your firewall is probably blocking port > 210, preventing sysetms outside the firewall from connecting inside via > that port. If everything was working prior to installing the firewall, > chances are you just need to change the firewall configuration to stop > filtering port 210. > > ----------------------- > > This is my very problem. Our security and network folks are affraid to > open ports 210 and 2210 for outbound traffic so I can use z39.50 through > our firewall. Does anyone comprehend the security risks of enabling > traffic over ports 210 and 2210 to support z39.50 activity? I posted this > question several weeks ago and had virtually no input. > > TIA > > Kirk Nims > Librarian > Michigan Consolidated Gas Co. > Detroit, MI > 313-226-9091 knims@michcon.com The risks of this are difficult to assess without a knowledge of your network configuration, type of firewall, and threats you perceive from outside. When you say "traffic over ports 210 and 2210", do you mean traffic from port 2210 on your machine to port 210 on a remote machine? My assumption is that z39.50 uses TCP as its transport-layer protocol, since it is likely to be a session-oriented service. However, if it uses UDP, then their concern is understandable, since it is very difficult to ensure that UDP is used only for outbound connections. Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From arnett at alink.net Thu May 28 11:15:17 1998 From: arnett at alink.net (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <85256612.0048E54B.00@mc-extnbkup.michcon.com> Message-ID: <199805281517.IAA05384@alink.net> At 07:01 AM 5/28/98 -0700, Kirk_Nims@michcon.com wrote: >This is my very problem. Our security and network folks are affraid to >open ports 210 and 2210 for outbound traffic so I can use z39.50 through >our firewall. Does anyone comprehend the security risks of enabling >traffic over ports 210 and 2210 to support z39.50 activity? I posted this >question several weeks ago and had virtually no input. There is nothing inherently dangerous about opening a port. The question is how secure the z39.50 server itself is. That's what they should be concerned about. It's a bit of a Catch-22 -- unless a service is widely used, there's an assumption that it may have unknown security problems. Unknown = not secure, the way most security people think. On the other hand, the very fact that it isn't widely used means that hackers aren't so likely to try to figure out how to use it to penetrate your system, since whatever they learn won't be useful on very many other sites. If your security people aren't looking at the server or talking to the company that developed it, then they're just stonewalling you to avoid work. If they have looked at the server and talked to the developer and still have security concerns, then there may be a real issue. But it sounds like the former if they're focusing on the simple issue of opening the ports. If you challenge them, you are very safe to insist that there is no inherent security risk in opening the ports; they have to justify their actions on the basis of the risks associated with any services on those ports (presumably your z39.50 server(s)) inside your firewall. You are in a common situation with your IS people -- the first response is virtually always to say no to opening ports. If you can present them with security information from the vendor, that should get them moving. Nick -- Phone/fax: (408) 733-7613 E-mail: narnett@mccmedia.com "Defy Demographics!" From smarcin at nypl.org Thu May 28 11:27:38 1998 From: smarcin at nypl.org (smarcin) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <00060F93.eval@nypl.org> At The New York Public Library Center for the Humanities, we are in the midst of a major renovation of our Main Reading Room. When we reopen, one service that we plan on offering to our readers is the ability to access the Internet via their own laptops by plugging into ethernet connections. Do any of you have experience with this at your institutions? Any help in answering any parts of the following questions would greatly help in planning our patterns of service in this area. - We would like to know what people have access to: Can library users simply access the Internet or can they also access Library databases simply by plugging into the ethernet connection? - What are the hardware requirements - What are the software requirements (do they have to have Windows95 and Netscape installed?) - What are the procedures: Who in the library is responsible for the configuration of the readers' machines: librarian, systems office, paraprofessional, the readers themselves? Is there access on demand as soon as the reader expresses a desire to connect, and is the reader's laptop configured while they wait? Does the reader make an appointment for this service if they need help? Is there a written statement for service? - Is there a problem with overiding the original configuration of the library user's laptop when it is configured for the library ethernet connection? - Do you have STATIC or DYNAMIC IP addresses (meaning is their one number for each outlet/computer where they plug their laptop in or are the IPs changing depending on the availability). From kgreen at plainfield.lib.in.us Thu May 28 11:29:02 1998 From: kgreen at plainfield.lib.in.us (kgreen@plainfield.lib.in.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980528084248.4588B-100000@bulldog3.d.umn.edu> Message-ID: <9805281534.AA15575@library.berkeley.edu> We keep most of our screens (13"-14") set to 800x600, and all of them at hi-color (16bit). Good image quality is one of the benefits of having better computers (Software producers who require 256 color need to rethink their product). As for text viewing, the default font size can be changed in Netscape (Options\General settings in 3.x, Edit\Preferences in 4.x). In Netscape 4.x the font size can be changed from the View menu also. While our video cards are pretty even in quality, our monitors range from pretty good to real junk, so I try to keep font sizes at an optimum for each one. When working with images for web pages, remember that complex images, like photos, work best as jpegs, while images with large blocks of color in them (backgrounds, banners) work best (are smallest) as gifs, and can usually be rendered with the color-safe (256 color) palette. Save an image in both formats and check the file size. ************************* Kerry Green Plainfield Public Library 1120 Stafford Road Plainfield, IN 46168 (317)839-6602x112 (317)839-4044 fax From SantucLE at muohio.edu Thu May 28 11:44:19 1998 From: SantucLE at muohio.edu (Lisa Santucci) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980528113854.1182B-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> Hi, One term I have heard is "hubs" lisa Lisa Santucci Electronic Information Services Librarian Miami University Libraries > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > unannotated links. > > I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering > if there is another term that's commonly used........ > > Thanks! > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > 338 Henry Administration Building > 506 S. Wright Street > Urbana, IL 61801 > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Thu May 28 11:48:54 1998 From: walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Walter Minkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980528084518.11225A-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us> We here call them "subject directories," because they're directories of websites that (typically) are arranged by subject. We have two good ones here at Multnomah County Library, our "Selected Web Sites," which our staff uses for reference: www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/ref/ and our Homework Center for K-12: www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/homework/ --W On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > unannotated links. > > I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering > if there is another term that's commonly used........ > > Thanks! > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > 338 Henry Administration Building > 506 S. Wright Street > Urbana, IL 61801 > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us ============== ("Rats...") "Oh, Web pupil, _refer_! Lip up! Be who? Star!" --Palindrome of the Month From khartman at mwcgw.mwc.edu Thu May 28 11:57:27 1998 From: khartman at mwcgw.mwc.edu (karen hartman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology Message-ID: <s56d515f.013@mwcgw.mwc.edu> This is a very good question, because I don't see much consensus among librarians and others about what to call the different types of resources on the Web. The following terms are what I use: I call selective and annotated directories that cover many subjects (for example, the Librarian's Index to the Internet, the IPL, or the Argus Clearinghouse) virtual libraries. I took this term from the book The Internet Searcher's Handbook by Morville, Rosenfeld, and Janes. The authors call virtual libraries "value added collections of Internet resources." I like the term virtual libraries to describe these very specialized and extremely useful resources, because to me, they resemble libraries in that the included resources are evaluated and chosen by a qualified person, much like a librarian chooses resources for a traditional library . Sites that contain links to other sites on a particular subject I call subject guides. Sites that are self-contained databases of information (with no hyperlinks to outside information) for example, PubMed's Medline, or ChemFinder WebServer, or the IBM Patent Server, are specialized databases. Sites that provide reference information, for example, the Web versions of the Statistical Abstract of the United States, or Webster's Dictionary, or the Zip Code Directory, I call reference works. Karen Hartman Reference Librarian Mary Washington College Fredericksburg, VA I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... What do you call those sites that basically consist of links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of unannotated links. I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering if there is another term that's commonly used........ Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu From swen at fgcu.edu Thu May 28 12:05:03 1998 From: swen at fgcu.edu (Wen, Shixing) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers Message-ID: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041C7C@FGCU-TARPON> Could someone explain how a machine can have more than one ip address? Shixing Wen > ---------- > From: Nick Arnett > Reply To: arnett@alink.net > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 9:01 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: IP and port numbers > > At 10:53 PM 5/27/98 -0700, mbancroft@ssc.nsw.gov.au wrote: > > > >We are working to make our catalogue available on the web via a Z39.50 > >gateway (or z-client). We are running a z-daemon on our library server. > >I am searching for a good tutorial on how IP addresses work in > conjunction > >with port numbers. > >The problem is that since a firewall was installed on our corporate LAN > we > >cannot hit our database. > > IP addresses refer to a particular machine (one machine sometimes has more > than one IP address, but you probably don't have that issue). Port numbers > refer to logical connections on a machine, so the combination of an IP > address plus a port is always required to make a logical connection. > Lower > port numbers are considered "well-known" addresses because they are the > defaults for various services such as POP and SMTP for e-mail or HTTP for > the Web. For example, the default address for Web servers is 80. If you're > connecting to most Web servers, you don't have to include the "80" in the > address because the software does it for you as the default. You may have > noticed a few Web sites where there's a number after the address, > separated > by a colon, such as "web.foo.com:8090". That means port 8090 instead of > the > default of 80. The name "web.foo.com" is resolved by DNS to the IP > address. > > Your firewall probably blocks all but the most common well-known ports. It > may even block some well-known ones, such as POP, to prevent people from > trying to hack your system via e-mail clients. Since z39.50 is not widely > used, your firewall is probably blocking port 210, preventing sysetms > outside the firewall from connecting inside via that port. If everything > was working prior to installing the firewall, chances are you just need to > change the firewall configuration to stop filtering port 210. That should > be documented; it is the fundamental purpose of the firewall to allow you > to control these things. > > Hope that helps... > > Nick > -- > > Phone/fax: (408) 733-7613 E-mail: narnett@mccmedia.com > > "Defy Demographics!" > From bjones at unf.edu Thu May 28 12:15:59 1998 From: bjones at unf.edu (Bob Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980528121302.14862B-100000@osprey.unf.edu> In the library environment, I tend to stay away from specialized terms. Generally I stay with the library model: "Collection(s)" -- or use the gopher concept of "super server(s)". Bob Jones mailto:bjones@unf.edu Head, Public Services Division and Systems Coordinator University of North Florida Library http://www.unf.edu/library/ P.O. Box 17605 (904) 620-2552 (SC 861-2552) Jacksonville, FL 32245-7605 FAX: (904) 620-2719 ARIEL: 139.62.208.88 On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > unannotated links. > > I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering > if there is another term that's commonly used........ > > Thanks! > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > 338 Henry Administration Building > 506 S. Wright Street > Urbana, IL 61801 > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From dkirk at hypertec.com Thu May 28 12:53:09 1998 From: dkirk at hypertec.com (dkirk) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: NETSCAPE PREFERENCES In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528084934.11473B-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <19980528165934031.AAA230.343@computer.bctel.ca> Andrew, You can use WINSelect KIOSK to "lock" access to menus and you then disable the URL Location (Netsite, Go to) Dropdown URL arrow which shows the URL History. Denis At 06:12 AM 5/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >In the neverending attempt to keep Navigator from becoming a menace to all >who touched it, I've been trying the various ways to keep the history >file on Navigator from filling with all the web sites are patrons visit, >including www.hotsex.com, www.ty.com, etc. > >I've set netscape.hst and prefs.js as read-only, after clearing the web >sites from the prefs file and each time Netscape is reopened, the history >is clear. However, I'm wondering if setting the prefs file as read-only is >going to cause problems at some point. Any warnings?? > >Thanks! > >Andrew Mutch >Northville District Library >Northville, MI > ___________________________________ Denis F. Kirk Hyper Technologies Inc. "Public Access Computer Specialists" 1-800-663-8381 - (604) 945-4233 Fax: (604) 464-8680 Email: dkirk@hypertec.com WEB: www.winselect.com __________________________________ From sdk at mindspring.com Thu May 28 12:57:23 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web page buttons for the graphically challenged Message-ID: <008201bd8a59$b6a0dd00$3886b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> Found a neat new toy online: MediaBuilder's Buttonmaker (http://www.buttonmaker.com/index.html) "MediaBuilder's online ButtonMaker can turn any GIF image into a nicely beveled button. It even works on animated GIFs!" You can choose an image, icon, etc. from their online collection, enter a URL where the .gif you want to transform is located, or browse your hard drive and create a button from any image stored there. Fast. Free. Fun. Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess Around http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/bestbet/index.html From jbarker at library.berkeley.edu Thu May 28 13:04:30 1998 From: jbarker at library.berkeley.edu (Joe Barker) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980528113854.1182B-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980528100311.26941C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Someone coined the term "webliography" and we have been using it for meta-pages ever since. Hubs is descriptive, but is used for many other networky things. Joe Barker, The Teaching Library, University of California, Berkeley On Thu, 28 May 1998, Lisa Santucci wrote: > Hi, > > One term I have heard is "hubs" > > lisa > > > > Lisa Santucci > Electronic Information Services Librarian > Miami University Libraries > > > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > > unannotated links. > > > > I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering > > if there is another term that's commonly used........ > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bernie Sloan > > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > > 338 Henry Administration Building > > 506 S. Wright Street > > Urbana, IL 61801 > > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > > > > > From leita at netcom.com Thu May 28 13:24:04 1998 From: leita at netcom.com (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980528102404.008c35d0@netcom12.netcom.com> >What do you call those sites that basically consist of >links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like >the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of >unannotated links. Most commonly, they are called Subject Directories and include Web resources that are evaluated and not, and annotated and not. The most extended attempt I've seen to differentiate what it is that librarians and others making evaluative judgments are doing is in Ackermann and Hartman's "Searching and Researching on the Internet and the World Wide Web." Info and several chapters available at: http://www.fbeedle.com/searching/sample.html On p. 74 - "Virtual libraries are directories that contain collections of resources that librarians or cybrarians have carefully chosen and organized in a logical way.... Typically, virtual libraries provide an organizational hierarchy with subject categories to facilitate browsing. Most include query interfaces in order to perform simple searches." On p. 75 - "The main difference between virtual libraries and the directories we discussed earlier (Yahoo, Magellan, etc.) is that virtual libraries are much smaller, because the resources included are selected very carefully. The people who organize virtual libraries are usually on the lookout for three major types of information: subject guides, reference works, and specialized databases." As coordinator of the LII I can tell you that the Librarians' Index to the Internet's database of 3400 annotated entries is about 25% subject guides; 55% reference works (content that will directly answer the user's question) and 20% specialized databases. Carole _____________________________________________ Carole Leita, leita@netcom.com Librarians' Index to the Internet Coordinator http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/InternetIndex/ ______________________________ Carole Leita, leita@netcom.com From moe1 at cornell.edu Thu May 28 13:31:09 1998 From: moe1 at cornell.edu (moe1@cornell.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980528084518.11225A-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980528132602.19103B-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu> We used to call them subject directories, too. Lately we've switched to subject guides to the Internet or subject catalogs of the Internet. I don't think there is any standard term for these collections of links by topic. Michael Engle Cornell University Library On Thu, 28 May 1998, Walter Minkel wrote: > We here call them "subject directories," because they're directories of > websites that (typically) are arranged by subject. We have two good ones > here at Multnomah County Library, our "Selected Web Sites," which our > staff uses for reference: www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/ref/ > > and our Homework Center for K-12: > www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/homework/ --W > > On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > > > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > > unannotated links. > > > > I tend to think of them as meta sites, but I was wondering > > if there is another term that's commonly used........ > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bernie Sloan > > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > > 338 Henry Administration Building > > 506 S. Wright Street > > Urbana, IL 61801 > > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > > > > Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer > Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 > Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > ============== > ("Rats...") "Oh, Web pupil, _refer_! Lip up! Be who? Star!" --Palindrome > of the Month > > From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Thu May 28 13:53:18 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041C7C@FGCU-TARPON> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980528124615.4997L-100000@sparc> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Wen, Shixing wrote: > Could someone explain how a machine can have more than one ip address? > > Shixing Wen A machine could have two or more network cards, each one with its own address. I think that such a host is said to be "multi-homed". Both cards could be connected to the same network, or they each be connected to different networks. Some (maybe most?) network operating systems will also let you instruct a single network card to respond to two or more IP addresses. Under Linux, for example, this is called IP aliasing. Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From bork at plb.de Thu May 28 13:58:23 1998 From: bork at plb.de (H. Bork) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041C7C@FGCU-TARPON> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980528194702.27196S-100000@spira.plb.de> []Could someone explain how a machine can have more than one ip address? Consecutively: - different configuration files used on different occasions - DHCP or Bootp server distribute floating IPs dynamically Simultaneously: - each of two or more network adapters has its own IP (cf. router function, serving ) Kind regards, hal :-) From books at datastar.net Thu May 28 14:05:10 1998 From: books at datastar.net (Home Building Books) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980528084518.11225A-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us> Message-ID: <000001bd8a63$276d1ea0$7e8ffbc0@books> The term you are looking for may be Free For All Links pages. More commonly referred to as FFAs. Some of these pages may contain thousands of links divided by subject. Terri Thomas Editor: Webmaster Enews http://www.webmastersites.com From walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Thu May 28 14:43:08 1998 From: walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Walter Minkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980528100311.26941C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980528114136.21456B-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Joe Barker wrote: > Someone coined the term "webliography" and we have been using it for > meta-pages ever since. Hubs is descriptive, but is used for many other > networky things. > Joe Barker, The Teaching Library, University of California, Berkeley We use the term webliography all the time, but we use it for a list of websites printed on paper as a handout for trainings or as part of a larger document. --W Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us ============== ("Rats...") "Oh, Web pupil, _refer_! Lip up! Be who? Star!" --Palindrome of the Month From L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk Thu May 28 16:03:27 1998 From: L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk (Linda Kerr) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980528113854.1182B-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> Message-ID: <199805281904.UAA21840@punt2.hw.ac.uk> > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > > unannotated links. In the UK there are several databases of descriptions and links to useful Internet reources, fully searchable and browsable. The resources are classified according to fairly standard classification schemes - modified in some cases. They are known as "subject based information gateways", or sbigs. I work for EEVL : Edinburgh Engineering Virtual Library http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ We include a huge variety of different sites in our database - concentrating on sites with content, rather than pointers to other lists of links. We have heard it bandied about that what we do is "resource discovery" and are therefore part of a resource discovery network (RDN).... Linda **************************************************************** EEVL Project Officer, Heriot-Watt University Library Edinburgh EH14 4AS UK Email: L.Kerr@hw.ac.uk Tel : +44 (0)131 451 3572 Fax: +44 (0)131 451 3164 Visit the Engineering Virtual Library http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ or join the discussion list http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/eevl/ **************************************************************** From macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu May 28 15:31:29 1998 From: macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Greg MacGowan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <199805250226.WAA28116@goon.stg.brown.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980528153129.0092ac20@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> At 07:47 PM 5/24/98 -0700, Richard L. Goerwitz wrote: > Typically, though, you expect librarians to know about things >like SGML, XML, stylesheets. [stuff deleted] >But then this is just me. Doubtless the folks sitting on the other side >of the fence will find my sentiments to be equally surprising. You're right, your sentiments are surprising. I like to think we have a pretty smart, progressive bunch of people here at Brandeis, but most of my colleagues don't know the first thing about the alphabet soup of SGML, XML, TEI, etc., Furthermore, I don't think they are any worse off for it, insofar as they are still VERY good at doing their jobs as catalogers, bibliographers, ILL managers, reference librarians, etc. The day may eventually arrive when librarians must know about SGML, etc. to do their jobs, but that day is not yet here. -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg S. MacGowan Information Technologies Coordinator (and Webmaster) Brandeis University Libraries Brandeis University Waltham, MA, USA 02254-9110 phone: (781) 736-4690 (W) fax: (781) 736-4719 mailto: macgowan@Brandeis.edu "Doing your best takes a lot of effort, so why not do OK and then relax?" -- Rick Cleary From leita at netcom.com Thu May 28 15:39:37 1998 From: leita at netcom.com (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: LII Stats Correction (was Re: Web terminology) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980528102404.008c35d0@netcom12.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980528123937.00914380@netcom12.netcom.com> >As coordinator of the LII I can tell you that the Librarians' Index to the >Internet's database of 3400 annotated entries is about 25% subject guides; >55% reference works (content that will directly answer the user's question) >and 20% specialized databases. After sending off the above I decided I shouldn't be guessing when I had the tools to do a count. So I went in and used grep to count by category and was pleasantly surprised to find the actual percentages are: 15% - Subject Guides (called Directories in the LII) 10% - Specialized Databases (called Databases in the LII) 75% - Reference Works (called Specific Resources in the LII) Carole _____________________________________________ Carole Leita, leita@netcom.com Librarians' Index to the Internet Coordinator http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/InternetIndex/ From cherry at banjo.com Thu May 28 16:35:29 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980528143457.007a2100@delta.info.net> This can create a real can of worms from a support perspective. The reason is that an Internet/Ethernet connection requires the PC to be configured with an assigned (fixed) IP address. Ethernet connections must also be made to override dialup type connections. It can be done and knowledgable folks can do it quickly however, the layperson isn't prepared to handle netmasks, default routers, static IP addresses, etc. People will have to reconfigure their networking to do this and you'll need to insure that each ethernet address being used is unique. You may want to look into the logistics of managing this before you commit to it. Bob Cherry Internet Network Consultant At 09:23 AM 5/28/98 -0700, smarcin wrote: > At The New York Public Library Center for the Humanities, we are in > the midst of a major renovation of our Main Reading Room. When we > reopen, one service that we plan on offering to our readers is the > ability to access the Internet via their own laptops by plugging > into ethernet connections. Do any of you have experience with this > at your institutions? Any help in answering any parts of the > following questions would greatly help in planning our patterns of > service in this area. > > - We would like to know what people have access to: > Can library users simply access the Internet or can they also access > Library databases simply by plugging into the ethernet connection? > > - What are the hardware requirements > > - What are the software requirements (do they have to have Windows95 > and Netscape installed?) > > - What are the procedures: > Who in the library is responsible for the configuration of the readers' > machines: librarian, systems office, paraprofessional, the readers > themselves? > Is there access on demand as soon as the reader expresses a desire to > connect, and is the reader's laptop configured while they wait? > Does the reader make an appointment for this service if they need help? > Is there a written statement for service? > > - Is there a problem with overiding the original configuration of the > library user's laptop when it is configured for the library ethernet > connection? > > - Do you have STATIC or DYNAMIC IP addresses (meaning is their one > number for each outlet/computer where they plug their laptop in or are > the IPs changing depending on the availability). > > From cherry at banjo.com Thu May 28 16:46:00 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980528144527.007b5340@delta.info.net> At 10:36 AM 5/28/98 -0700, Wen, Shixing wrote: >Could someone explain how a machine can have more than one ip address? > >Shixing Wen Many systems have more than one IP for a variety of reasons. One generally requires two ethernet controllers if the system is to operate on two different networks however, a single IP can be used as long as both IPs are within the same network realm. Port numbers (sockets) are totally independant from IP addresses. Your "services" file defines which services use what ports. In addition, access lists (used with router configurations) can determine which ethernet/internet addresses support which ports. The Policy Editor may be able to give you some additional control (Windows95/NT) but I haven't entered that world yet. How you configure your system to handle this is dependant upon the OS, platform, network type and number of network controllers. Reasons for running multiple IP addresses can include: Multi-service system (DNS, Web Server, Mail Server, etc.) Network Router Network Firewall Virtual Private Data Network and Internet etc. Enjoy! Bob Cherry Internet Network Consultant From bork at plb.de Thu May 28 16:55:09 1998 From: bork at plb.de (H. Bork) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980528084248.4588B-100000@bulldog3.d.umn.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980528173036.27196A-100000@spira.plb.de> []Bob Cherry asked about libraries intentionally setting their public PCs to []640x480 256color mode. That would include us. []We have 14" monitors on most of our public PCs, and a mix of older and []newer PCs - containing older and newer video cards. All of our public PCs []are loaded with the same software, from a single master copy. However, some inconveniences of older hard- and software can be overcome. Web pages originally being optimized for 800*600 can be easily viewed as a whole on 640*480 screens etc. Just have a look at the Opera browser at http:/www.operasoftware.com With Opera one may easily adopt the browser to your needs and video adapter. You may choose a default zoom betweeen 20% and 1000% and switch it individually - thus eliminating horizontal scrolling too. IMHO zooming (and BTW very fast image building) are the most important Opera features for our low low end 386es and 486 nowadays. [] When we reach the point where our lowest-end PCs [] can do better, I'm sure, we will change our video display mode. That's it. Sorry, this will not fit a million pixel resolution and 16 million colour JPEGs, Bob. For many million everyday web users some 'necessary' hundred or thousand bucks may be as far as 16 million light years away - lost in time, lost in space... Have a nice evening (perhaps at the Opera tonite ;-) kind regards, hal :-) From smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu Thu May 28 16:59:17 1998 From: smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu (Steve Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980528135917.0089aa00@ucrac1.ucr.edu> > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... > > > > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > > unannotated links. Well, heck, why not, eh. I have to say that most of us at INFOMINE (lib-www.ucr.edu) retain an old-fashioned fondness for the term "virtual library". I'm not sure why this is though in that many of the patrons in our not-so-virtual library don't really know what this means. So, when I get that Ophan Annie, wide-eyed look as a response to explaining INFOMINE as a "virtual library" I usually quickly shift gears into "subject...list, index and/or guide". Note that we DO NOT use "internet finding tool" except in grant proposals... FYI, Steve Mitchell INFOMINE Co-coordinator and Science Reference Librarian From bstone at imcpl.lib.in.us Thu May 28 17:19:28 1998 From: bstone at imcpl.lib.in.us (Brian Stone) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections References: <3.0.32.19980528143457.007a2100@delta.info.net> Message-ID: <356DD4E0.7B48BE86@imcpl.lib.in.us> None of this is a problem if you use dhcp. Brian Bob Cherry wrote: > This can create a real can of worms from a support perspective. The reason > is that an Internet/Ethernet connection requires the PC to be configured > with an assigned (fixed) IP address. Ethernet connections must also be > made to override dialup type connections. It can be done and knowledgable > folks can do it quickly however, the layperson isn't prepared to handle > netmasks, default routers, static IP addresses, etc. People will have to > reconfigure their networking to do this and you'll need to insure that each > ethernet address being used is unique. You may want to look into the > logistics of managing this before you commit to it. > > Bob Cherry > Internet Network Consultant > From hewlett at usfca.edu Thu May 28 20:04:24 1998 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections References: <356DD4E0.7B48BE86@imcpl.lib.in.us> Message-ID: <356DFB88.E60F4690@usfca.edu> Please, what is dhcp? Jean Hewlett University of San Francisco, North Bay Regional Campus Library hewlett@usfca.edu Brian Stone wrote: > None of this is a problem if you use dhcp. > > Brian > > Bob Cherry wrote: > > > This can create a real can of worms from a support perspective. The reason > > is that an Internet/Ethernet connection requires the PC to be configured > > with an assigned (fixed) IP address. Ethernet connections must also be > > made to override dialup type connections. It can be done and knowledgable > > folks can do it quickly however, the layperson isn't prepared to handle > > netmasks, default routers, static IP addresses, etc. People will have to > > reconfigure their networking to do this and you'll need to insure that each > > ethernet address being used is unique. You may want to look into the > > logistics of managing this before you commit to it. > > > > Bob Cherry > > Internet Network Consultant > > From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Thu May 28 17:53:35 1998 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <04b601bd8a83$10c05170$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> >Please, what is dhcp? Instead of using having one permanent IP address per machine/port, you have a DHCP server that dispenses an IP address out of a pool of addresses to each machine that hooks into the network. c -- Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 Instructional Technology Specialist Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks From mmhung at hknet.com Thu May 28 21:20:06 1998 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Dewey CD Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980529092006.007ad740@hknet.com> I come from Hong Kong and i am working in a school library. We use DDC abridge 12 ed and want to evaluate if the DDC CD ed is good for the school library. I wonder if any library can lend us a copy and after a week or so, i will mail it back to you. *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From mike at tcnet.org Thu May 28 22:52:01 1998 From: mike at tcnet.org (Mike McGuire) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:43 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC54B0991@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528224922.595A-100000@libby.tcnet.org> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > I have a (probably dumb) question about terminology..... No such thing as a dumb question, except that which gets unasked :) > What do you call those sites that basically consist of > links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like > the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of > unannotated links. Well, the first thing that comes to mind is content-poor. Actually, we call them 'links-to-still-more-links' vs. content-rich. Mike McGuire Director, Traverse Area District Library SysAdmin, Traverse Community Network From pleamon at pagesz.net Sat May 9 11:47:39 1998 From: pleamon at pagesz.net (Pat Leamon) Date: Wed May 18 14:30:56 2005 Subject: 17 inch monitors Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980509114307.2346B-100000@nina.pagesz.net> There were 23 responses to my question about the pros and cons of 17 vs. 15 inch monitors. 22 were strongly in favor of 17 inch. The only negatives were size, weight and cost. Most said the patrons and librarians really enjoyed them. We're convinced. Thanks for all your help. ************************************** Pat Leamon, Assistant Librarian Louisburg College, Louisburg, NC pleamon@pagesz.net http://www.pagesz.net/~pleamon http://www.louisburg.edu/Library.htm ************************************** From rsteffes at carroll1.cc.edu Sat May 9 20:39:36 1998 From: rsteffes at carroll1.cc.edu (Rebecca A. Steffes) Date: Wed May 18 14:30:56 2005 Subject: block one url on browser Message-ID: <199805092339.SAA18746@carroll1.cc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 111 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980509/215d3855/attachment.bat From dragonsha at rocketmail.com Sat May 2 17:52:42 1998 From: dragonsha at rocketmail.com (Angela Kirchner) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:19 2005 Subject: Everybody's Menu Builder Message-ID: <19980502215242.11404.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Hello All, I am configuring Everybody's Menu Builder for Netscape 4.04. Everything is fine except for Adobe Acrobat reader. I seem to hang when the PDF reader is engaged and I exit Netscape. Do any of you know how to configure EMB so this will not happen? Sincerely, Angela Kirchner Hayward Public Library dragonsha@rocketmail.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cayz at lib.de.us Sun May 3 00:50:43 1998 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:19 2005 Subject: Netscape Security Button In-Reply-To: <01BD734B.63D3AC80.bjenn@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980503003632.20698C-100000@del-aware> All, (I've Cc'ed Jeff Bobicki, the author of LibBrowse, to this). The Netscape Security Button is particularly insidious. If you are using a product like LibBrowse, then Security / Java/Javascript allows the abusive patron to see and _delete_ two entries - one is the page that does some of the magic, and another, that looks like a MAC or NIC address (8 16bit hex code). Deleting the former is not so bad. Deleting the latter causes your browser to not accept any Java at all (or something similar), until you reload Netscape (and LibBrowse) all over again. Not exactly the thing you want library staff to have to do often.... I must say, that between a combination of WinU 4, Netscape 4.03, LibBrowse, and some JavaScript, even I am getting happy about producing a "bullet-proof" Internet Access Station that meets all my requirements... (Don't ask, the list of requirements is far too long). So, I guess the question still stands - any way to kill _just_ the button (not the whole bar), or make the file it affects unchangeable, even to Netscape? CCK is not an option - as a State Agency, we can not agree to the Netscape licensing for this product, even though it is _free_... Thanks in Advance. James Cayz +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ [ James Cayz # cayz@lib.de.us # Del-AWARE homepage: http://www.lib.de.us ] [ Network Processing Administrator # 302-739-4748 x130 # Fax 302-739-6948 ] [ Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 ] +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Brian D. Jennison wrote: >Some patrons have been fooling around with the security button in our >Netscape 4.03 browsers on our public Internet stations. They like to set > >(We have already explored removing the whole button bar but decided against >it. And we have yet to find a way to remove only specific buttons on that >bar. Does the CCK allow for that?) From frenkel at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed May 6 08:45:01 1998 From: frenkel at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Ann Frenkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Silverplatter Web? Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980506084501.00943510@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> Hello, We have a number of Silverplatter databases currently subscribed to on CD-ROM. We are considering switching over to access through Silverplatter's internet (Web) subscription service. Do any libraries who presently do this have comments about the speed and reliability of access to Silverplatter databases across the Web? Any opinions would be most welcome! Bonus question: which search interface do you prefer-- Webspirs, Winspirs, or...?? Thank you, Ann M. Frenkel Reference Librarian/Technology Coordinator Brandeis University 415 South Street phone (781) 736-4679 Waltham, MA 02254-9110 email frenkel@brandeis.edu From wsulliva at csunet.ctstateu.edu Wed May 6 09:21:33 1998 From: wsulliva at csunet.ctstateu.edu (Bill Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Position Announcement for CT Library Network Message-ID: <01BD78D0.5D3F4480@har-ct3-12.ix.netcom.com> SEARCH EXTENDED CONNECTICUT STATE LIBRARY INFORMATION ARCHITECT The Connecticut State Library is now accepting applications for the position of Information Architect for the Connecticut Library Network (CLN). (http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/cln) This new position is responsible for managing the statewide bibliographic database project with a long-term job focus on recommending and implementing solutions that make widely dispersed networked information resources of all types more accessible and more visible to information users. The Information Architect will evaluate for acceptance all vendor production work on the statewide bibliographic database, ensure vendor compliance with contractual (RFP) requirements for union catalog processing, public access search engine and cataloging modules; ensure integrity and quality control of database and efficiency and effectiveness of database updating procedures. Related duties include: plans and coordinates with vendor and data providers the migration of the database from a centralized to a distributed environment; plans and coordinates training of library staff; performs ongoing system administration/network support duties; and identifies, assesses and positions new technologies plus other duties as required. Qualifications: A Masters Degree in Library Science or Information Science from an ALA-accredited library school, or a Masters Degree in a field closely related to information technology and three (3) years post-graduate professional employment in a library systems environment. Applicants must possess considerable knowledge of the processes (online and batch) used to produce and update large MARC-based union catalogs derived from widely diverse record sources; considerable knowledge of or ability to learn the technical requirements for conducting information searches in a distributed environment consisting of heterogeneous, independently managed systems and diverse data/media types. Required skills and abilities include: ability to manage projects; considerable interpersonal/customer service skills and oral and written communication skills; and other qualifications as described in the complete position description. Travel required. Salary: Starting salary $47,838 with annual increases to $57,998 plus fringe benefit package. Applications: A position description with full duties and complete qualifications is available upon request or you may visit the Connecticut State Library website at http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/jobs.htm. Please submit letter of application with resume no later than June 30, 1998 to David Peck, Human Resources/Affirmative Action Program Manager, Connecticut State Library, 231 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, CT 06106. Qualified women, minorities, individuals with disabilities, veterans and older persons are encouraged to apply. The Connecticut State Library is an EEO/AA employer. From sdk at mindspring.com Wed May 6 09:53:08 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: privacy tool for Netscape. Message-ID: <000101bd78f6$63527c40$3886b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> One subject that surfaces on this list from time to time is clearing browser history, etc., on public access Internet terminals, to preserve patron privacy. I just read about what looks like a nifty little shareware app, used in conjunction with Netscape, that automatically takes care of this. Program is called Cover Your Tracks (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/5610/cyt.html) "Cover Your Tracks is a privacy tool for Netscape. It's (sic) purpose is to clear everything that could indicate which web sites you've visited. More specifically, Cover Your Tracks will clear the pulldown bar, cache files, history files, cookies, and recent documents in the start menu if you are using Netscape 3.x or 4.x. Cover Your Tracks is fully customizable in that you can choose whether or not you want the cache, history, cookies, or recent documents to be cleared. Registered users can enable Auto-Clearing, a feature that performs all indicated clearing operations and then closes Cover Your Tracks automatically when it is executed." You can download the program from the Web page. (Beware the onslaught of pop-up ads; Geocities is getting downright awful this way.) BTW, I was pleasantly surprised when I checked out this page to find that the proprietors of "Fat-Free Software" -- the outfit behind Cover Your Tracks -- were two local high school students, one of whom attends the Center for Advanced Technologies (http://www.cat.pinellas.k12.fl.us/) in St. Petersburg with my older son. Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess Around http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/bestbet/index.html From sara.kjellberg at investor.se Wed May 6 11:05:04 1998 From: sara.kjellberg at investor.se (Kjellberg, Sara) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Library database with attachment possibilities Message-ID: <C117646AC7A8CF11AD7D00805FCC55B2DDC3A8@STO_EXC> Hello We are working a lot with electronic documents (pdf) and have therefore created an electronic archive (a very simple database). Now we want to find, or create, a database which we can use for our print material as well as our electronic documents in pdf. Because our users are widely spread, the thought is to create an electronic library were we attach the pdf-files directly as a link to the bibliographic information. But because there still is information in print we also want the possibility to make a good bibliographic database with lending possibilities. Furthermore it would be excellent if it also were possible to make the database available on the web. I know it is much to ask for from a smaller database, but the development is going in the direction with less printed documents in our company. Does anyone now of such a system? We don?t want to create something that already exists, maybe it already exists a small librarysystem which can do excactly these things ( I?ll keep my fingers crossed)? Maybe you know which sort of databaseprogramme to use to create a database like this. Thanks in advance! Sara Kjellberg Investor AB Stockholm, Sweden sara.kjellberg@investor.se From Sacampora at cnr.edu Wed May 6 11:05:46 1998 From: Sacampora at cnr.edu (Susan Acampora) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Virus Anxiety Message-ID: <35507C4A.1241@cnr.edu> Hello Everyone: I would greatly appreciate your comments on the following: I have read over again the April postings about virus transmission via the a:> drive. Some said that the simple process of reading the a:> drive can allow a virus entrance to the system. Shortly we will be allowing downloading for free. I tested the download process to find that in Netscape in the dropdown file menu a user can access and upload any a:> file into the Netscape browser by selecting "Open File". While we use FoolProof to prevent activity to and from c:>, and uploading from a:> in Win 95, once in Netscape the a:> drive seems fully accessible not just for downloading but for viewing a:> files. If an infected file from a:> is opened into Netscape, is it just being viewed from a: or is it actually in contact with c:>. Can a virus be transmitted by opening its file in Netscape? And if so, how do you prevent the "Open File" feature in Netscape. Thanks so much. Susan at CNR We use McAfee VirusScan. From stuit at umich.edu Wed May 6 11:39:42 1998 From: stuit at umich.edu (Jeff Stuit) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Library database with attachment possibilities In-Reply-To: <C117646AC7A8CF11AD7D00805FCC55B2DDC3A8@STO_EXC> Message-ID: <v04003a04b17632edc92a@[141.213.32.145]> If you'd like to keep very things simple, using Filemaker 4.0 might be an ideal solution. It's an easy, flat file database system, and is capable of publishing directly to the web. The database won't store the PDF file, but it can store a URL that would link to the PDF from the bibliographic record. You can learn more about Filemaker at their web site: http://www.filemaker.com Take care... >We are working a lot with electronic documents (pdf) and have therefore >created an electronic archive (a very simple database). Now we want to >find, or create, a database which we can use for our print material as >well as our electronic documents in pdf.=20 > >Because our users are widely spread, the thought is to create an >electronic library were we attach the pdf-files directly as a link to >the bibliographic information. But because there still is information = >in >print we also want the possibility to make a good bibliographic = >database >with lending possibilities. Furthermore it would be excellent if it = >also >were possible to make the database available on the web. ---------- Jeff Stuit work: http://jeffy.engin.umich.edu stuit@umich.edu home: http://www.badmusic.org You really should read the Good Book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/infotecture/ From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us Wed May 6 12:13:22 1998 From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Library database with attachment possibilities References: <v04003a04b17632edc92a@[141.213.32.145]> Message-ID: <35508C22.7256B47D@opac.osl.state.or.us> I would not limit Filemaker by calling it a strictly "flat file database system". While it can be used as such, its real strength comes with the relational capabilities, which allows you to link to and share from other databases and it uses much less disk space. Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503.378.4246 chris@opac.osl.state.or.us Jeff Stuit wrote: > If you'd like to keep very things simple, using Filemaker 4.0 might be an > ideal solution. It's an easy, flat file database system, and is capable of > publishing directly to the web. The database won't store the PDF file, but > it can store a URL that would link to the PDF from the bibliographic record. > > You can learn more about Filemaker at their web site: http://www.filemaker.com > > Take care... > > >We are working a lot with electronic documents (pdf) and have therefore > >created an electronic archive (a very simple database). Now we want to > >find, or create, a database which we can use for our print material as > >well as our electronic documents in pdf.=20 > > > >Because our users are widely spread, the thought is to create an > >electronic library were we attach the pdf-files directly as a link to > >the bibliographic information. But because there still is information = > >in > >print we also want the possibility to make a good bibliographic = > >database > >with lending possibilities. Furthermore it would be excellent if it = > >also > >were possible to make the database available on the web. > > ---------- > Jeff Stuit work: http://jeffy.engin.umich.edu > stuit@umich.edu home: http://www.badmusic.org > > You really should read the Good Book: > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/infotecture/ From pleamon at pagesz.net Wed May 6 12:43:27 1998 From: pleamon at pagesz.net (Pat Leamon) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: 17 inch monitors Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980506123850.18250A-100000@nina.pagesz.net> Hi all, We will be purchasing three more public internet access computers for our library. We are considering buying 17 inch monitors, rather than 15 inch. Has anyone discussed and/or made decisions about this? You can reply to me personally, and I will summarize for the list. ************************************** Pat Leamon, Assistant Librarian Louisburg College, Louisburg, NC pleamon@pagesz.net http://www.pagesz.net/~pleamon http://www.louisburg.edu/Library.htm ************************************** From schnell.9 at osu.edu Wed May 6 15:03:41 1998 From: schnell.9 at osu.edu (Eric Schnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Updated: Writing for the Web: A Primer for Librarians Message-ID: <Version.32.19980414111159.00de8e90@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Updated: Writing for the Web: A Primer for Librarians by Eric H. Schnell http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/webdocs.html Abstract: The creation and maintenance of the Web documents and resources is the most time consuming aspect of managing a library World-Wide Web service. Although the structure and content of these resources vary by library, it is important all participants in library Web projects know the concepts and terminology associated with creating documents and resources for Web distribution. This document is not an in-depth HTML guide, but is instead a general introduction to Web resource creation. Newer technologies are briefly described and references to other resources are provided. An interactive glossary of terms associated with the Web is also included. Contents: 1.Abstract 2.Introduction 3.Background 4.Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) 5.Hypertext Links 6.Uniform Resource Locators (URLs) 7.Graphics and Images 8.Multimedia 9.HTML Writing Tools 10.Design Considerations 11.Portable Document Format (PDF) 12.Dynamic Documents 13.CGI and Perl *NEW* 14.Java and ActiveX 15.Future Considerations 16.Reference and Resources 17.Glossary .. Eric Schnell Assistant Professor Head, Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library The Ohio State University schnell.9@osu.edu / 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html From dgoodman at phoenix.Princeton.EDU Wed May 6 16:30:20 1998 From: dgoodman at phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Goodman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Silverplatter Web? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980506084501.00943510@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980506162719.11182H-100000@flagstaff.princeton.edu> We have been doing this for over a year now. At first there were major problems with response time, availability, and changing access codes when additional disks were loaded at SP. However, for the last 4 months it has been working very well and very smoothly, and we will move additional databases to that mode of access as much as we can. David Goodman, Princeton University Biology Library dgoodman@pucc.princeton.edu 609-258-3235 On Wed, 6 May 1998, Ann Frenkel wrote: > Hello, > We have a number of Silverplatter databases currently subscribed to on CD-ROM. We are considering switching over to access through Silverplatter's internet (Web) subscription service. Do any libraries who presently do this have comments about the speed and reliability of access to Silverplatter databases across the Web? Any opinions would be most welcome! Bonus question: which search interface do you prefer-- Webspirs, Winspirs, or...?? > > Thank you, > > > Ann M. Frenkel > Reference Librarian/Technology Coordinator > Brandeis University > 415 South Street > phone (781) 736-4679 > Waltham, MA 02254-9110 > email frenkel@brandeis.edu > > > > > > From eroche at sisnaaz.com Wed May 6 16:36:20 1998 From: eroche at sisnaaz.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: The Webster Newspeak Dictionary Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506133620.00830e90@mail.sisnaaz.com> This is serious, IMHO. Apologies for reposting from another newsgroup this message. Please give this your complete attention. Thank you. Elisabeth Roche Roche Limits mailto:eroche@opus1.com Warning: Apologies if this posts twice; mail is loopy today... Folks, I admit this is not a 100% Internet related issue...YET. Looks like one of the most famous dictionary publishers in the world is going to start specially flagging "offensive" words or terms...the management claims that they do not want to enter a political fray over this, but remember, many feel that even setting apart such words paves the way for having them removed. This is EXACTLY what some pro-censorship parties are fighting for, believe it or not... http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9805/05/word.fight/index.html Truly disturbing...I mean if they are flagging a PRINT edition, it's not like a kid or easily offended person is going to be able to AVOID looking at the word! Just thought that this would be of intense interest to the online community, as we seem to be the latest canary in the coal mine of media censorship.... Read banned books. Even if that eventually means the dictionary. --Jen -- "G-d is a shout in the street" -- James Joyce Disclaimer: The contents of this letter, and the content of any sites referenced in this letter, does not in any way reflect the views, opinions or policies of my employer. From eroche at sisnaaz.com Wed May 6 16:42:21 1998 From: eroche at sisnaaz.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: censorship?: The Webster Newspeak Dictionary Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506134221.008265f0@mail.sisnaaz.com> This is serious, IMHO. Apologies for reposting from another newsgroup this message. Please give this your complete attention. Thank you. Elisabeth Roche Roche Limits mailto:eroche@opus1.com ---fwd original message--- Warning: Apologies if this posts twice; mail is loopy today... Folks, I admit this is not a 100% Internet related issue...YET. Looks like one of the most famous dictionary publishers in the world is going to start specially flagging "offensive" words or terms...the management claims that they do not want to enter a political fray over this, but remember, many feel that even setting apart such words paves the way for having them removed. This is EXACTLY what some pro-censorship parties are fighting for, believe it or not... http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9805/05/word.fight/index.html Truly disturbing...I mean if they are flagging a PRINT edition, it's not like a kid or easily offended person is going to be able to AVOID looking at the word! Just thought that this would be of intense interest to the online community, as we seem to be the latest canary in the coal mine of media censorship.... Read banned books. Even if that eventually means the dictionary. --Jen -- "G-d is a shout in the street" -- James Joyce Disclaimer: The contents of this letter, and the content of any sites referenced in this letter, does not in any way reflect the views, opinions or policies of my employer. From eroche at sisnaaz.com Wed May 6 16:49:47 1998 From: eroche at sisnaaz.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: The Webster Newspeak Dictionary Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506134947.00833450@mail.sisnaaz.com> This is serious, IMHO. Apologies for reposting from another newsgroup this message. Please give this your complete attention. Thank you. Elisabeth Roche Roche Limits mailto:eroche@opus1.com --fwd original message---- Warning: Apologies if this posts twice; mail is loopy today... Folks, I admit this is not a 100% Internet related issue...YET. Looks like one of the most famous dictionary publishers in the world is going to start specially flagging "offensive" words or terms...the management claims that they do not want to enter a political fray over this, but remember, many feel that even setting apart such words paves the way for having them removed. This is EXACTLY what some pro-censorship parties are fighting for, believe it or not... http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9805/05/word.fight/index.html Truly disturbing...I mean if they are flagging a PRINT edition, it's not like a kid or easily offended person is going to be able to AVOID looking at the word! Just thought that this would be of intense interest to the online community, as we seem to be the latest canary in the coal mine of media censorship.... Read banned books. Even if that eventually means the dictionary. --Jen -- "G-d is a shout in the street" -- James Joyce Disclaimer: The contents of this letter, and the content of any sites referenced in this letter, does not in any way reflect the views, opinions or policies of my employer. From george at library.caltech.edu Wed May 6 17:29:09 1998 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Webster Newspeak Dictionary -- NOT Message-ID: <459F52C5D1C3D111874A00805FEA69F407E2C2@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> Elisabeth Roche called our attention to the CNN article on Merriam Webster's response to a months long controversy surrounding derogatory/inflammatory words and definitions <http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9805/05/word.fight/index.html>. I've been following the evolution of this situation since it first flared up in March <http://cnn.com/books/news/9803/17/offensive.books.ap/index.html>. I think that MW is taking a very reasonable approach. They are not caving in to strident pressure groups. They have decided to move their proviso that particular definitions are considered offensive from the end of the definition to the beginning. American Heritage Dictionary has been doing this for more than 20 years. I found it VERY educational, as an adolescent, to be able to scan the pages of a dictionary and have the vulgar slang highlighted for easy retrieval. AHD has taken little heat over the years, according to the March story, because of the notice at the beginning of the definition. I don't think that MW is in Orwellian peril. There are very real threats to freedom of speech and freedom of discourse (more web-applicable terminology), but this is not an example of the forces of political correctness overwhelming the battlements, although to be sure, the PC troops were giving it a try. I hold no stake in CNN, Merriam Webster, or any other megaconglomerates which might make me rich and comfortable. George S. Porter Technical Reference Librarian Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 george@library.caltech.edu > -----Original Message----- > From arnett at alink.net Wed May 6 17:47:25 1998 From: arnett at alink.net (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Kindly Inquisitors (was: Webster Newspeak...) In-Reply-To: <459F52C5D1C3D111874A00805FEA69F407E2C2@dungeon.library.cal tech.edu> Message-ID: <199805062148.OAA17960@alink.net> If you are interested in these issues, I highly recommend Jonathan Rauch's "Kindly Inquisitor,'" in which he outlines threats to free speech from fundamentalists of all sorts (religious, environmental, etc.) for acting as if they have direct access to truth, and humanitarians for trying to stop speech that might be painful, even the dialog may be productive. And for a technologist's look at related issues, David Brin's new book, "The Transparent Society," just came out. I read the manuscript and it was great. Both books argue that criticism is the only reliable means by which truth emerges. Brin postulates that this means we will have to give up some privacy in order to have freedom in a world where technology can snoop effectively. Nick -- Phone/fax: (408) 733-7613 E-mail: narnett@mccmedia.com From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed May 6 17:56:31 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Typology for Ready Reference Web Sites Message-ID: <DE4570792653D111A80C00A024DF2EC53D1B92@oscar.pb.uiuc.edu> Thought that some of you might be interested in Steven Sowards' "A Typology for Ready Reference Web Sites in Libraries." Sowards is the head of the Social Sciences and Humanities Reference unit of the Michigan State University Libraries. The paper is available at: http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue3_5/sowards/index.html Bernie Sloan Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu From prestam at okway.okstate.edu Wed May 6 19:59:05 1998 From: prestam at okway.okstate.edu (prestam@okway.okstate.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: National Online Meeting Message-ID: <9805068944.AA894495620@okway.okstate.edu> Any list members attending the National Online Meeting/Integrated Online Library Systems conference in NYC next week? Email me off-list if you plan to attend and perhaps we can make plans to have a web4lib in NYC gathering. Anne Prestamo Science & Engineering Reference Librarian Edmon Low Library/Oklahoma State University prestam@okway.okstate.edu From cayz at lib.de.us Wed May 6 19:11:09 1998 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: PROFUSE PUBLIC APOLOGY... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980506185519.28364A-100000@del-aware> All, I want to publicly apologize for any misconstruance that my statements regards LibBrowse may have caused. My statements were meant to communicate that using a combination of various programs, including LibBrowse, a very secure setup was indeed possible, with the ERRONEOUS statement that the Security Button still held a serious hole. If, as someone mentioned, I hadn't played around with the original configuration, and left the critical "-start_java" in the properties line of the shortcut, everyone would have been just happy. I MESSED UP. I don't know when, but somehow the -start_java just "went away".... If you KEEP the "-start_java" in the properties, and the abusive patron deletes EVERYTHING in the 'Security / Java/Javascript' dialog boxes, the worst that will happen is that library staff have follow a 2-click re-authorization process the next time the browser starts.... However, the point still stands, and THIS IS NO SLIGHT AGAINST LIBBROWSE, that it would be NICE *SOMEHOW* to be able to remove the "SEARCH", "GUIDE", and "SECURITY" buttons from the toolbar, as well as Bookmarks on the location bar. Again, this is NOT a "request" or anything else other than a "wish"... I also "wish" that the license agreement for CCK was a little more realistic, so that a government agency could legally agree to be bound by it. I also wish money grew on trees... :-) Once Last time, I apologize if anything I said was construed in any way to be negative about LibBrowse. I think it is a solid product, and will continue to use it, especially now that I got it right.... Oh, I also apologize if the list has been getting a lot of bounced messages from me... Not only have I messed up my GUI, but I "upgraded" my sun with memory and hard disk space, and in the process, trashed my inbound mail.... ie, If you send me a response, it might bounce, I might get it, or I might get it after the mail is solved (I'm re-directing all the host's mail right now....). Sincerely, James Cayz +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ [ James Cayz # cayz@lib.de.us # Del-AWARE homepage: http://www.lib.de.us ] [ Network Processing Administrator # 302-739-4748 x130 # Fax 302-739-6948 ] [ Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 ] +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From hewlett at usfca.edu Wed May 6 19:15:42 1998 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: having the dictionary indicate "offensive" words References: <3.0.5.32.19980506133620.00830e90@mail.sisnaaz.com> Message-ID: <3550EF1D.484158CF@usfca.edu> At least one dictionary (it may be the same one) has been doing this for a while. They include an annotation like [offen.] in the word's definition. This was brought to my attention by an English as a Second Language student at the community college where I used to work. He thought it was a very good idea, as it had saved him from using the word in a paper without knowing that it could be considered offensive. This does seem a bit off topic for this list, except for its obvious extension to online information. Jean Hewlett University of San Francisco, North Bay Regional Campus Library Opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employers. Elisabeth Roche wrote: > This is serious, IMHO. Apologies for reposting from another newsgroup this > message. Please give this your complete attention. > > Thank you. > > Elisabeth Roche Roche Limits > mailto:eroche@opus1.com > > Warning: Apologies if this posts twice; mail is loopy today... > > Folks, I admit this is not a 100% Internet related issue...YET. > > Looks like one of the most famous dictionary publishers in the world is > going to start specially flagging "offensive" words or terms...the > management claims that they do not want to enter a political fray over > this, but remember, many feel that even setting apart such words paves > the way for having them removed. This is EXACTLY what some > pro-censorship parties are fighting for, believe it or not... > > http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9805/05/word.fight/index.html > > Truly disturbing...I mean if they are flagging a PRINT edition, it's not > like a kid or easily offended person is going to be able to AVOID > looking at the word! > > Just thought that this would be of intense interest to the online > community, as we seem to be the latest canary in the coal mine of media > censorship.... > > Read banned books. Even if that eventually means the dictionary. > > --Jen > -- > "G-d is a shout in the street" -- James Joyce > > Disclaimer: The contents of this letter, and the content of any sites > referenced in this letter, does not in any way reflect the views, > opinions or policies of my employer. From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 6 21:11:40 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: PROFUSE PUBLIC APOLOGY... In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980506185519.28364A-100000@del-aware> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506191140.0081c370@pop.amigo.net> Thanks James ... Say no more ... We figured it was a case of mixed applications but Librowse is an important contribution to the Library community and we want everyone to know that this is not a "half baked" idea. The development of Librowse took around 350 hours. It is a completely FREE web browser designed just for Libraries. It is being downloaded by Libraries all over the world at such a rate that the server has been "maxed out" since release (3-23-98) Librowse was developed with the Netscape Software Development Package and was released PRIOR to either the Netscape "CCK" or the "free source code" It has been extensively documented and tested. I encourage any libraries to visit my web site. The Library area is: http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/library.html There is a full documentation package there, screen shots ... I also welcome any Library in the world to participate in "Jeff's Library Spotlight" where I showcase Library websites. You will see the spotlight when you go to the URL above. My web site also includes a highly technical area for configuring Windows for optimal performance, modem tricks and just all kinds of stuff. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System At 04:16 PM 5/6/98 -0700, James Cayz wrote: >All, > >I want to publicly apologize for any misconstruance that my statements >regards LibBrowse may have caused. My statements were meant to >communicate that using a combination of various programs, including >LibBrowse, a very secure setup was indeed possible, with the ERRONEOUS >statement that the Security Button still held a serious hole. > >If, as someone mentioned, I hadn't played around with the original >configuration, and left the critical "-start_java" in the properties line >of the shortcut, everyone would have been just happy. > >I MESSED UP. I don't know when, but somehow the -start_java just "went >away".... > >If you KEEP the "-start_java" in the properties, and the abusive patron >deletes EVERYTHING in the 'Security / Java/Javascript' dialog boxes, the >worst that will happen is that library staff have follow a 2-click >re-authorization process the next time the browser starts.... > >However, the point still stands, and THIS IS NO SLIGHT AGAINST LIBBROWSE, >that it would be NICE *SOMEHOW* to be able to remove the "SEARCH", >"GUIDE", and "SECURITY" buttons from the toolbar, as well as Bookmarks on >the location bar. > >Again, this is NOT a "request" or anything else other than a "wish"... I >also "wish" that the license agreement for CCK was a little more >realistic, so that a government agency could legally agree to be bound by >it. I also wish money grew on trees... :-) > >Once Last time, I apologize if anything I said was construed in any way to >be negative about LibBrowse. I think it is a solid product, and will >continue to use it, especially now that I got it right.... > >Oh, I also apologize if the list has been getting a lot of bounced >messages from me... Not only have I messed up my GUI, but I "upgraded" my >sun with memory and hard disk space, and in the process, trashed my >inbound mail.... ie, If you send me a response, it might bounce, I might >get it, or I might get it after the mail is solved (I'm re-directing all >the host's mail right now....). > >Sincerely, > >James Cayz > >+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ >[ James Cayz # cayz@lib.de.us # Del-AWARE homepage: http://www.lib.de.us ] >[ Network Processing Administrator # 302-739-4748 x130 # Fax 302-739-6948 ] >[ Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 ] >+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > > ---------------------------------------- From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 6 21:15:21 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: privacy tool for Netscape. In-Reply-To: <000101bd78f6$63527c40$3886b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywe ll.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506191521.0081d300@pop.amigo.net> Hi Shirl I believe you will find that Librowse Lite will solve this for you. It is free and can be found at http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/library.html Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwset Regional Library System At 07:02 AM 5/6/98 -0700, Shirl Kennedy wrote: >One subject that surfaces on this list from time to time is clearing browser >history, etc., on public access Internet terminals, to preserve patron >privacy. I just read about what looks like a nifty little shareware app, >used in conjunction with Netscape, that automatically takes care of this. >Program is called Cover Your Tracks >(http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/5610/cyt.html) > >"Cover Your Tracks is a privacy tool for Netscape. It's (sic) purpose is to >clear everything that could indicate which web sites you've visited. More >specifically, Cover Your Tracks will clear the pulldown bar, cache files, >history files, cookies, and recent documents in the start menu if you are >using Netscape 3.x or 4.x. Cover Your Tracks is fully customizable in that >you can choose whether or not you want the cache, history, cookies, or >recent documents to be cleared. Registered users can enable Auto-Clearing, a >feature that performs all indicated clearing operations and then closes >Cover Your Tracks automatically when it is executed." > >You can download the program from the Web page. (Beware the onslaught of >pop-up ads; Geocities is getting downright awful this way.) > >BTW, I was pleasantly surprised when I checked out this page to find that >the proprietors of "Fat-Free Software" -- the outfit behind Cover Your >Tracks -- were two local high school students, one of whom attends the >Center for Advanced Technologies (http://www.cat.pinellas.k12.fl.us/) in St. >Petersburg with my older son. > > > > >Shirl Kennedy >Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today >Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess >Around >http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/bestbet/index.html > > ---------------------------------------- From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 6 21:21:52 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:21 2005 Subject: Virus Anxiety In-Reply-To: <35507C4A.1241@cnr.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980506192152.00830280@pop.amigo.net> Hi Susan I have addressed this issue extensively with Libraries and have a web page on this very subject in my Technical Area. Go to http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ Go to the technical area and go to the "antivirus" page. I think you will be surprised at what you see there. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System At 08:29 AM 5/6/98 -0700, Susan Acampora wrote: >Hello Everyone: > >I would greatly appreciate your comments on the following: > >I have read over again the April postings about virus transmission >via the a:> drive. Some said that the simple process of reading the a:> >drive >can allow a virus entrance to the system. > >Shortly we will be allowing downloading for free. I tested the download >process to find that in Netscape in the dropdown file menu a user can >access and upload any a:> file into the Netscape browser by selecting >"Open File". While we use FoolProof to prevent activity to and from >c:>, >and uploading from a:> in Win 95, once in Netscape the a:> drive seems >fully >accessible not just for downloading but for viewing a:> files. > >If an infected file from a:> is opened into Netscape, is it just being >viewed from a: or is it actually in contact with c:>. >Can a virus be transmitted by opening its file in Netscape? >And if so, how do you prevent the "Open File" feature in Netscape. > >Thanks so much. > >Susan at CNR > > > >We use McAfee VirusScan. > ---------------------------------------- From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Fri May 8 02:57:44 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: The Webster Newspeak Dictionary Message-ID: <v02110100b1785d48c444@[203.55.117.184]> At 1:59 PM 1998/05/06, Elisabeth Roche wrote: >Looks like one of the most famous dictionary publishers in the world is >going to start specially flagging "offensive" words or terms... No doubt so they will be easier to find :-) Tony __________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone/Fax +61 2-6241-7659 Mobile +61 4-1242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From sgagne at auburnschl.edu Fri May 8 08:07:39 1998 From: sgagne at auburnschl.edu (Suzanne Gagne) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Broken Links? Message-ID: <66711550.50551073@auburnschl.edu> Greeting Everyone! I need some help. I'm trying to find a program that checks for broken links on a webpage. It needs to run on a Power Mac OS 8.0 and Adobe PageMill. Can anyone help me? Thanks a bunch!! Suzanne Gagne ED TECH III Edward Little High School Auburn, ME. 04210 This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Fri May 8 09:09:12 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Broken Links? In-Reply-To: <66711550.50551073@auburnschl.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980508090727.21834A-100000@tln.lib.mi.us> Suzanne, You might want to try a couple of free on-line services to help you link check. Two I've tried and found helpful are: Web Site Garage http://www.websitegarage.com/ and NetMechanic http://www.netmechanic.com/ Both of these sites also offer other services, such as HTML Validation. Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI On Fri, 8 May 1998, Suzanne Gagne wrote: > Greeting Everyone! > > I need some help. I'm trying to find a program that checks for broken links on > a webpage. It needs to run on a Power Mac OS 8.0 and Adobe PageMill. Can anyone > help me? > > > Thanks a bunch!! > > Suzanne Gagne > ED TECH III > Edward Little High School > Auburn, ME. 04210 > This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. > From dwhelan at mail.smu.edu Fri May 8 09:14:56 1998 From: dwhelan at mail.smu.edu (David Whelan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Broken Links? In-Reply-To: <66711550.50551073@auburnschl.edu> Message-ID: <000001bd7a83$4bc10f90$34e87781@dwhelan.law.smu.edu> I believe Adobe PageMill 3.0 (already released for PCs) will be released for Macs this month or next, and it incorporates what was Adobe SiteMill, so that PageMill itself will allow for authoring and site management. Or you can "upgrade" to SiteMill 2.0 (if you have PageMill 2.0) for $19.95 and download it immediately from: www.adobe.com/prodindex/pagemill/pagemill20/sitereg.html David. ____________________________________________ David P. Whelan Underwood Law Library Head of Computing & SMU School of Law Technology Services PO Box 750354 Dallas, TX 75275-0354 E-mail: dwhelan@mail.smu.edu Home: http://www.law.smu.edu Voice: 214.768.1820 From BENJAMKD at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Fri May 8 09:24:01 1998 From: BENJAMKD at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Kay Benjamin) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Position Available Message-ID: <01IWSAUDQX6G8YBZKS@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> POSITION AVAILABLE State University of New York, College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 POSITION: REFERENCE LIBRARIAN The College at Oneonta invites applications for the position of Reference Librarian (12 month, tenure track). SUNY-Oneonta, a four-year arts and sciences college with a pre-professional focus, offers liberal arts and professional programs at undergraduate and master's levels. The campus, with 5,500 students and 240 full-time faculty, is located in the scenic Catskills, three and one half hours from New York City. The library has a collection of more than 500,000 volumes and serves as a federal and state depository. See the Oneonta home page for additional information (http://www.oneonta.edu). DUTIES: Work in a collegial atmosphere in a six member, service-oriented reference department which provides direct assistance to users and instruction in a classroom setting. Will be involved in other activities of the department including producing handouts, instruction guides, and/or Web pages. Participates in night/weekend reference desk schedule. QUALIFICATIONS: Accredited MLS, commitment to student learning, ability to work effectively with other library faculty, as well as to work independently; excellent oral and written communication skills are required. Experience in reference service in an academic library, demonstrated teaching ability in an electronic learning environment; experience with electronic information sources and Internet search engines are preferred. Also, an understanding of the mission and goals of academic libraries and a commitment to being member of the college's faculty. APPLICATIONS: Send resume, names, addresses, and telephone numbers of three references to: Elaine L. Downing, Chair, Personnel Committee, Milne Library, Box LR, SUNY Oneonta, Oneonta, NY 13820. Review of applications to begin immediately and continue until position is filled. Salary low-thirties. SUNY-Oneonta is an EEO/AA employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. From dennis at dati.com Fri May 8 09:49:55 1998 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: LanCD and WinFrame Message-ID: <35530D83.6F17@dati.com> Cross-posted; sorry. Attention: Logicraft/Microtest LanCD sites that have been considering adding WinFrame for intranet/remote access to your collection. It has come to my attention that Microtest has discontinued the software that was intended to allow WinFrame users to connect to a LanCD server. This effectively means that there is now no 'simple' method to provide access for WinFrame users to LanCD resources. Microtest is suggesting that their DiscPort Executive product, which is NT based, be used to either augment or replace the LanCD server. As an addition, another server running DPExec would offer a gateway that would allow WinFrame users to access LanCD volumes through the DPExec server. This has the advantage (?) of allowing existing LanCD clients to continue without change (LanCD requires driver installation on the client). As a replacement, all CD services would be moved to a DPExec environment. Since DPExec is NT-based and LanCD is DOS-based, this may mean new hardware. Additionally, LanCD clients would need to be reconfigured to access the new NT services. A DPExec server can easily be accessed by WinFrame users. A third way (not a Microtest suggestion) would be to move all the CD drives to the WinFrame server. There are a couple of CD management software packages (DPExec _not_ included) that will run directly on the same server with WinFrame. This would still involve reconfiguring existing LanCD client stations, and depending on the size of the collection and number of users, there could be some performance issues. LanCD and DPExec are both still being marketed by Microtest. If you are looking at CD management software, and WinFrame is part of your equation, be aware of this issue. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc./CD Solutions Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) mailto:dennis@dati.com Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 From allenme at oplin.lib.oh.us Fri May 8 10:51:47 1998 From: allenme at oplin.lib.oh.us (Megan Allen) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Technology Manager Message-ID: <35531C01.10DA9A1C@oplin.lib.oh.us> Technology Manager Rocky River Public Library seeks a service-oriented Technology Manager with a successful supervisory record who can effectively manage the library's technology infrastructure, including the automation system. This person supervises a technology team responsible for electronic services and training for public and staff. Current experience working directly with an automated system required (Dynix experience, including experience with Recall strongly preferred). Working knowledge of current technologies and familiarity with Windows and Macintosh workstations, software applications and information databases, Internet connectivity, intranet,and LANs required. Excellent interpersonal and communication skills a must. ALA-accredited MLS degree or a bachelor's degree in computer science and significant library experience. Rocky River is an attractive community which was recently ranked as Cleveland's top suburb by Cleveland Magazine. The public library, a single-site facility with a budget of $2.3 million, enjoys long-standing community support. Starting salary is $29,500 to $35,250 depending upon qualifications and experience. Send resume to Patricia Belcastro, Deputy Director, Rocky River Public Library, 1600 Hampton Rd., Rocky River, OH 44116. Rocky River Public Library is an EEOE. -- Megan Allen allenme@oplin.lib.oh.us Rocky River Public Library Rocky River, OH 44116 From smitht at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri May 8 11:30:01 1998 From: smitht at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Tim Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Netscape and Lexis-Nexis Universe Message-ID: <v03102807b178d29fa124@[132.235.46.117]> I am writing this on behalf of a colleague, who manages our in-library public network, running under Windows 3.11, which provides web-based access to a variety of databases. His problem is this: We've been using Internet Explorer 3 as the browser on these workstations and, for a variety of reasons, want to change over to Netscape. On a test bed machine, Netscape 4.05 seems to work fine with all of our databases EXCEPT Lexis-Nexis Universe, one of the most popular ones. Getting to the Lexis-Nexis home page isn't the problem, but every search he has tried has resulted in a "Document Contains No Data" message. Clearing the cache has no effect on those results. Does anyone have any idea on what's going on and/or how to solve it? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or encouraging words! Tim Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * Tim Smith e-mail: TSMITH1@OHIOU.EDU Instructional Librarian phone: (614) 593-2634 Reference Dept. fax: (614) 593-0138 Alden Library Ohio University "Technology has replaced reflection." Athens, OH 45701 -- Utah Phillips * * * * * * * * * * * * From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri May 8 12:14:19 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Electronic Reference communication Message-ID: <35532F5B.DFCF260C@morrisville.edu> Does anyone know of any web based software for Windows 95 based web server that will allow a user at a remote site to communicate in more or less real-time with the machine the web server is on? The software should have a way of displaying on the host machine a message and/or a sound that a message is coming in. The host machine should also be able to store messages if no one is available at that time. I remember using such software a couple of years ago with ZBServer on my own machine. Can't find it now. We are moving to a laptop university environment as well as doing distance learning and need to implement such a service. The big necessity is that it require no special software on the remote user's machine other than a web browser. E-mail is too slow and undependable for this type of service. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri May 8 12:14:28 1998 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: [FYI] AHDS Resource lists for 1)Standards and 2)Digital Preservation Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980508121428.00997e40@nlc-bnc.ca> STANDARDS & PRESERVATION RESOURCE LISTS The UK Arts & Humanities Data Service Provides New and Revised Resource Pages: **Standards for the Interchange of Digital Information** <http://ahds.ac.uk/resource/standards.html> **Digital Preservation** <http://ahds.ac.uk/resource/preserve.html> Two particularly fruitful resource pages have been announced by the British Arts and Humanities Data Service (AHDS). The first, "Standards for the Interchange of Digital Information," is an initial presentation of organizations that are working on relevant standards for the interchange of cultural resource material. These standards cover * Technical standards for data interchange (eg encoding and compression) * Data documentation standards (e.g. MARC, Dublin Core, CIMI). * Controlled vocabularies (e.g. Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules (AACR2), Art and Architecture Thesaurus). This exercise is the preliminary step to gathering and considering actual "best practices" in implementing and using particular standards for networking particular bodies of information and for maximising their usefulness. The second resource page is a revised set of references to resources and initiatives on the preservation of digital resources. Both of these resources are recommended and will be linked to from the NINCH website. David Green =============================================================== David L. Green Executive Director NATIONAL INITIATIVE FOR A NETWORKED CULTURAL HERITAGE 21 Dupont Circle, NW Washington DC 20036 www-ninch.cni.org david@ninch.org 202/296-5346 202/872-0886 fax ============================================================== See and search back issues of NINCH-ANNOUNCE at <http://www.cni.org/Hforums/ninch-announce/>. ============================================================== From sgagne at auburnschl.edu Fri May 8 12:48:24 1998 From: sgagne at auburnschl.edu (Suzanne Gagne) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: The Answers: Broken Links Message-ID: <3904503774.51561388@auburnschl.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 755 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980508/13aca71c/attachment.bin From mdiehl at bucknell.edu Fri May 8 13:18:20 1998 From: mdiehl at bucknell.edu (Mike Diehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Netscape 4.x Message-ID: <199805081718.NAA27402@coral.bucknell.edu> Hi again everyone! I found the solution about the Netscape problem of continually prompting for a "open application or save to disk question" even after checking it off. After many tries I had to delete prefs.js file and that worked on some and then I downloaded the netscape 4.05 file again and reinstalled using the new download and that took care of the rest. I then confirmed this with Netscape support, "which I had to pay for" It seems that Netscape only recommends extracted the file and distributing it on only 3 or 4 machines, then for some unknown, (probably because it is free) reason the file becomes corrupted. I hope that helps anyone else out there. Mike *************************************************************** Michael Diehl Information Services and Resources PH.717-524-1493 Library Systems Technician mdiehl@bucknell.edu Lewisburg PA 17837 Bucknell University *************************************************************** From SHAPIROS at saturn.montclair.edu Fri May 8 15:08:57 1998 From: SHAPIROS at saturn.montclair.edu (Steven Shapiro) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Webmaster Program Message-ID: <"04215180508991/1794590@SATURN"@saturn.montclair.edu> The NJLA Technology Committee/College and University Section is sponsoring a Webmaster program entitled "Launching a Library Home Page: the Painless Approach to Webmastering" at the Scholarly Communication Center at Rutgers University on May 22 (see flyer below). If you are interested, send in the registration by May 14. Thanks, Steve Shapiro Reference Librarian Montclair State University Harry A. Sprague Library Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 e-mail: shapiros@mail.montclair.edu phone: (973)655-4428 Launching a Library Home Page: The Painless Approach to Webmastering Friday, May 22, 1998 Rutgers University Alexander Library Scholarly Communication Center (SCC/4th Floor) sponsored by New Jersey Library Association College and University Section Technology Committee 9:30-10:00 Registration and Refreshments 10:00-12:00 Session 1 Track A (SCC Instruction Room) Creating a Library Home Page Using Netscape Composer (10:00-12:00) Presenter: Ann Scholz-Crane, Reference Librarian, Rutgers University - Camden Track B (SCC Lecture Hall) I. Web-Site Management: Technical Issues in Maintaining a Library Home Page (10:00-11:00) Presenter: Birte Nebeker, Reference Librarian, Raritan Valley Community College II. A Panel Discussion of Organizational Considerations in Web-Site Management (11:00-12:00) Moderator: William Vincenti, Reference Librarian, Bergen Community College Panelists Peter Jeong, Director of Internet Services, Bloomfield College Janice Painter, Manager, Automated & Technical Services, Princeton Public Library Steven Shapiro, Reference Librarian, Montclair State University Julie Still, Multimedia Instruction Librarian, Rutgers University - Camden 12:00-1:30 Lunch Break (No lunches are provided) 1:30-3:30 Session 2 Track A (SCC Lecture Hall) I. Web-Site Management: Technical Issues in Maintaining a Library Home Page (1:30-2:30) II. A Panel Discussion of Organizational Considerations in Web-Site Management (2:30-3:30) Track B (SCC Instruction Room) Creating a Library Home Page Using Netscape Composer (1:30-3:30) Please Register by May 14, seating is limited. Launching a Library Home Page: The Painless Approach to Webmastering Cost: ___$25 NJLA or ACRL/NJ members ___$37.50 non-members Send the completed form and a check made payable to NJLA to the following address: NJLA, P.O. Box 1534, Trenton, NJ 08607 Attention: Technology Committee Program Name ______________________________________________ Organization______________________________ Address________________________________________________________ Telephone _________________________________ Email_________________________________________ Parking Permits can be picked up at the Alexander Library Circulation Desk If you need additional information, please contact Steve Shapiro at (973)655-4428 or shapiros@mail.montclair.edu From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Fri May 8 16:11:19 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: The Next WAVe(sm): Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web Databases Message-ID: <s55320ad.093@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu> _The Next WAVe(sm):_ Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web Databases I am pleased to announce the formal establishment of _The Next WAVe(sm)_, a new clearinghouse devoted to Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web databases. The URL for _The Next WAVe(sm)_ is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Wave.htm I believe that the projects, research, products and services profiled in _The Next WAVe(sm)_ will be of interest to librarians and computer scientists alike who seek to enhance access to Web information sources as well as information found in conventional database systems. For those who have limited knowledge about Auditory Displays, I strongly recommend reading any and all of the excellent papers from the first international conference on auditory display organized by the International Community for Auditory Display (ICAD). Gregory Kramer (editor), AUDITORY DISPLAY: SONIFICATION, AUDIFICATION AND AUDITORY INTERFACES Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc., Reading, Massachusetts, 1994. ISBN 0-201-62603-9 This volume is a seminal work in the field. [I strongly recommend that every research library obtain a copy for their collections.] I also strongly suggest a visit to the ICAD homepage at http://www.santafe.edu/~icad/ I believe that both the able and disabled will find the efforts profiled in _The Next WAVe(sm)_ to an important resource of value for facilitating access to Web resources. I am greatly interested in developing this clearinghouse further and would greatly appreciate learning of other research, projects, products, and services in the following areas: Auditory exploration of data via sonification Audification (audible playback of data samples) Real Time monitoring of multivariate data Sound in Immersive Interfaces (Virtual Environments) Perceptual issues in Auditory Display Sound in generalized computer interfaces Technologies supporting Auditory Display creation Data handling for Auditory Display systems Applications of Auditory Display I am particularly interested in projects in Assistive Technology as well as auditory or multimodal access in computer interface and the use of sound is data mining and Knowledge Discovery in Databases (KDD) [For information about DM and KDD, see my Four-T-Nine-R(sm) project at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/4T9R.htm] _The Next WAVe(sm)_ is the second in a series of three planned clearinghousesdevoted to Sensory Information Navigation (SIN) [:->]. _The Next WAVe(sm)_ complements _The Big Picture_, my clearinghouse devoted to Information Visualization at available at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/BigPic.htm As always, Any and All suggestions, comments, critiques, queries, questions and/or contributions are most welcome. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University and Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library 152 Parks Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu [http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/] "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Attributed to Peter Drucker From cherry at banjo.com Fri May 8 16:41:02 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Netscape and Lexis-Nexis Universe Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980508142301.007b6a20@delta.info.net> At 08:34 AM 5/8/98 -0700, Tim Smith wrote: >but every search he has tried has >resulted in a "Document Contains No Data" message. Clearing the cache has >no effect on those results. Does anyone have any idea on what's going on >and/or how to solve it? The problem is that the browser is probably timing out. Both Netscape and IE4 will often give you a "Document Contains no Data" errors if it takes too long to connect to the site. There are various ways to test this and the easiest is with Telnet. Bob Cherry Internet Networking Consultant From NDGMTLCD at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA Fri May 8 16:42:04 1998 From: NDGMTLCD at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA (Alain Vaillancourt) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: The Next WAVe(sm): Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web Message-ID: <199805082045.QAA03320@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> > > I believe that both the able and disabled will find the efforts profiled in > _The Next WAVe(sm)_ to an important resource of value for facilitating > access to Web resources. And Beach Boys fans will like it too But seriously, I have been sifiting thru the site for a week now and have found it fascinating. I have found most interesting the work of LoPresti and Harris on loudSPIRE, the work of Stephen Brewster on Earcons and the work in Ireland of Liam Bannon and that fellow with the scandinavian sounding name. > > As always, Any and All suggestions, comments, critiques, queries, > questions and/or contributions are most welcome. > Only one suggestion for the long term: A site on tactile and or haptic and or kinethic ways to "visualize" information. Au revoir and thanks again Alain Vaillancourt McGill University ========================================= From DMADRIGA at MAIL.NYSED.GOV Fri May 8 17:27:37 1998 From: DMADRIGA at MAIL.NYSED.GOV (Diane Madrigal) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: STYLE SHEETS: background colors in a table Message-ID: <s55340b3.075@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> For my first foray into style sheets, I tried to attach the STYLE attribute to a TD tag to change the background color of a one-celled table. But there seem to be two choices, background or background-color. Using <TD STYLE="background-color:99CCFF"> produced the desired results in Netscape (4.04) but not in Internet Explorer (3.0). Using <TD STYLE="background:99CCFF"> on the other hand, worked in IE but not Netscape. (Neither worked in Netscape 3.0, but I expected that.) Can any of the style sheet advocates explain which version is correct and what's going on here? If you want to take a look, the page is at: <http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/Scandoc2.html> Thanks! Diane Madrigal New York State Library From katcoo at io.org Fri May 8 17:54:20 1998 From: katcoo at io.org (Katalin Coorsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Request for information Message-ID: <199805082155.RAA24734@white.netsurf.net> Hi. I work in smallish corporate library. One of our main functions is to manage the documentation generated by our organization, which is quite considerable. We have been using DBTextworks for our corporate documentation as well as or some traditional library operations such as our catalogue. I am currently in the process of making a pitch to acquire DBTextworks Webpublisher to make our databases accessible to our remote offices via our Intranet. As part of the proces, however, I must in good conscience examine alternative software as well. Therein lies my request. Would any of you who may already have been through this process, have any information you would be willing to share. I have read a few articles that review the lower end software but would love to have more information on products such as Folio Views, Domino, Verity, Cuadra Star, Zyindex, and anything I might have missed. I realize these products are at the higher price range end, but I would like to know just how high. Any pricing info would be greatly appreciated. As I do not have much experience posting to a listserv, I hope this is an appropriate question Katalin (Kathy) Coorsh Chief Librarian Information Research Centre Canadian Federation of Independent Business 416-222-8022, ext. 227 katcoo@io.org / infoctr@cfib.ca From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri May 8 18:01:48 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:22 2005 Subject: Archive changes Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980508145913.2526L-100000@library.berkeley.edu> I just implemented some new features on the Web4Lib archive. Now, when you search, the results include both the author's name and the date it was posted. That will hopefully help in locating the posting you seek. Also, the default setting on the search form is to search only 1998. You can still search all years, but you must change to that setting. I imagine most users are wanting to find information posted within the last several months. Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue May 12 08:22:52 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: 05.12.98 CSS & Design Spec [ Rookie Query ] In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980512001232.28507F-100000@panix2.panix.com> Message-ID: <000601bd7da0$af96b1d0$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> > I have been using CSS style sheets for about three or four months now. > I have read many things on this list about styles and there use. > I have questions. > > In all the books I've read and site I've gone to usually it's described > that you use the descriptive size when giving a size. On a > couple of sites > I've found that when you do a style sheet and you open a page let's say > Netscape a site will look one way. Take that same page open it in IE the > site looks different the fonts are usually larger on one vs > the other. Now i know that for the most part people say we are > not looking > for exact sizes here we want a "feeling" the reason for the CSS > is to add > consistancy not to get the "printed page" [ we have DHTML & > XML for that > ". ] I'm not familiar with the term "descriptive size" in CSS, but it sounds like what the spec refers to as relative size. Netscape's current implementation of CSS is substantially buggier than Microsoft's; among the problems reported is that Netscape miscalculates relative font sizes specified by percentage. Try this sample markup: <hr> <div style="font-size: 10pt"> <p>10pt text</p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt">12pt text</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 120%">12pt text?</span></p> </div> <hr> Last time I checked, 10 * 120% = 12, and my copy of IE correctly renders the second and third line at the same size. Netscape 4.05 makes the third line larger than the second. Here's hoping Mozilla gets it right; they've promised to do so. > > Also take the same site and open it on a macintosh type size will look > larger or smaller depening on the orginal platform the site was created > on. My question is when validated "font-size=9pt" pulls back > and error but > the spec says that that is a valid value. to use pt, em ect. If one can > prove that one brower and one platform has a consistant behavior vs > another and adjust for that via SSI is it not prudent to do so. Given the same font at the same point size, the Mac has always had a smaller on-screen rendering than Windows. That's just how it is, and probably always will be until Stevie and Mikey learn to play nice together. For this and several other reasons--notably accessibility--it is usually unwise to specify absolute font sizes. (Although doing so in CSS instead of FONT tags probably makes it easier for a user to bypass your font settings in favor of their own.) > > Or is it not prudent to design to such specific needs even though it is > possible. I hope this makes sence what i am asking. Your pages are > probably hit more, by all kinds of stuff out there. What are your design > requirements? How do you develop a CSS spec and how tight or > loose is the > design it caters to? > Take advantage of CSS but don't rely on it for any specific appearance. It cannot be used to force a browser into doing anything; it's just a more flexible language for describing and suggesting the author's preferred presentation. The two problems you report make it sound like you can use neither relative font sizes nor absolute font sizes with total accuracy. Of the two, I'd stick with relative sizes. When they're wrong, they're less likely to screw up your page, and the underlying bug is more likely to be fixed in the foreseeable future. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dms8f at etext.lib.virginia.edu Tue May 12 10:03:57 1998 From: dms8f at etext.lib.virginia.edu (David M. Seaman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Etext course at Virginia, summer 1998 Message-ID: <199805121403.KAA76876@etext.lib.Virginia.EDU> BOOKS AT VIRGINIA: RARE BOOK SCHOOL 1998 (RBS): Rare Book School is pleased to announce its schedule of week-long courses for the summer of 1998, to be offered on the grounds of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, 13 July - 7 August. Subscribers to this list may find the course listed below to be of particular interest: 27 INTRODUCTION TO ELECTRONIC TEXTS AND IMAGES. A practical exploration of the research, preservation, editing, and pedagogical uses of electronic texts and images in the humanities. The course will center around the creation of a set of archival-quality etexts and digital images, for which we shall also create an Encoded Archival Description guide. Topics include: SGML tagging and conversion; using the Text Encoding Initiative Guidelines; the form and implications of XML; publishing on the World Wide Web; text analysis tools; and the management and use of online texts. See <http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/rbs/97> for detailed information about last year's course. Some experience with HTML is a prerequisite for admission to the course. Offered in Weeks 2 and 4. Instructor: David Seaman. DAVID SEAMAN is the director of the nationally-known Electronic Text Center <http://etext.lib.virginia.edu> and on-line archive at the University of Virginia. He lectures and writes frequently the creation and use of electronic texts in the humanities. Tuition per course for RBS 1998 Summer Session is $595. Applications may be requested via the contact information at the end of this message. The complete brochure and Expanded Course Descriptions are available at our Web site: <http://poe.acc.virginia.edu/~oldbooks> Book Arts Press/Rare Book School biblio@virginia.edu 114 Alderman Library fac-fbap@poe.acc.virginia.edu The University of Virginia (804) 924-8851 Charlottesville Virginia 22903 From kirks at mlc.lib.ms.us Tue May 12 10:24:54 1998 From: kirks at mlc.lib.ms.us (Kirk Sansom) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: 3270 client for Windows 95 responses Message-ID: <35585BB6.6A4B@mlc.lib.ms.us> Thanks for all of the responses to my questions. I've gotten great help from all of you who responded. Thanks again, ks _^_ _^_ ( ___ ) ( ___ ) |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=|-=-| | | | | @ Kirk Sansom () | | | < /-i MS Library Commission i~\#> | | | _/\ P.O. Box 10700 - 1221 Ellis Ave. /\_ | | | / Jackson, MS 39209-0700 \ | | | Voice:(601)359-1036 Fax: (601)354-1036 | | | | | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|-=-| ( _ _ ) ( _ _ ) v v From jsarber at statelib.lib.in.us Tue May 12 11:53:16 1998 From: jsarber at statelib.lib.in.us (Jennifer Sarber) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Smarterm vs OnNet Message-ID: <3558706C.755B@statelib.lib.in.us> Greetings Members: I was wondering if anyone uses either of these softwares: Smarterm or OnNet. If some one does could you please give me your opinion? We are currently using NCSA Telnet on our PC's. There seems to be a problem using the function keys. We have two different support services and each one suggested using a different software. Could I get anyone's opinion? Thanks Jennifer -- Jennifer Sarber Indiana State Library Management Information Services 140 North Senate Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46204 http://www.statelib.lib.in.us From hj97 at dial.pipex.com Tue May 12 13:31:26 1998 From: hj97 at dial.pipex.com (Eric Sandelands) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Online newsletter Message-ID: <3558876E.4E68@dial.pipex.com> I hope that this regular newsletter is of interest to the group. Eric Sandelands VIRTUAL UNIVERSITY JOURNAL NEWSLETTER http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/ On-line conference news. Following the success of the previous VUJ on-line conference, a further threeare planned for 1998. Starting on 1st June, Daniel Eisenberg of Northern Arizona University, USA, will kick off the next conference using his own article "College Faculty and Distance Learning" as a background paper. As Daniel says, "Change is coming whether faculty like it or not. If we are not involved in shaping it, others will do it for us." The conference is FREE to join. Delegates are invited to join in the discussion and find out how change is being managed in centres of learning around the globe. REGISTER NOW. http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/ In ISSUE 2 of VUJ PEDAGOGY, GRAMMARS and ART: Towards Art and Design Higher Education Strategies, written by D. BRUTON of UNIVERSITY of SOUTH AUSTRALIA examines the relationship between art and computers and the impact of computational grammatical design on pedagogy. CONTENT DESIGN FRAMEWORKS FOR INTERNET STUDIES CURRICULA AND RESEARCH by R. WILLIAM MAULE, Associate Professor at the UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANSISCO, considers instructional frameworks for university-level education in Internet content design. CALL FOR PAPERS. FREE SUBSCRIPTION FOR VUJ AUTHORS. VUJ aims to publish papers on the latest experience and ideas related to technology-aided learning from around the world. Papers are subject to EAB review with accepted articles archived in major databases such as Anbar and Emerald. Authors of papers published in VUJ receive a complimentary electronic subscription to the journal for one year. If you would like to submit a paper, please contact the Publisher, Anne Christie at AChristie9@aol.com VIRTUAL UNIVERSITY JOURNAL http://www.openhouse.org.uk/virtual-university-press/ From dward at altair-atm.ucs.ualberta.ca Tue May 12 10:50:52 1998 From: dward at altair-atm.ucs.ualberta.ca (Dennis Ward) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: collection of student projects Message-ID: <3.0.2.16.19980512105052.24b726bc@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> I would like to announce the availability of a collection of student projects at http://www.slis.ualberta.ca/538/ These projects were created by the students in the LIS 538 (Automation in Libraries and Information Centres) course in the School of Library and Information Studies at the University of Alberta. They contain a substantial amount of useful information on a number of topics of current interest, and are being made available with the hope that they may be useful to the library community. The project titles and authors are listed below. LIS 538 Term Projects - April 1998 Electronic Journals and Academic Libraries (Liza Chan) Electronic Mail and the Library Patron (Dawna Turcotte) Librarian Webmasters (Sona Kothari) Librarians and Distance Education Technology: Roles and Responsibilities (James Rout) A Librarian's Guide to LAN Technology (Michael Brundin) Making your Web Site Searchable: Search Engines for Local Web Sites (Judy Brown) Metadata: Foundations, Potential and Applications (Katrina Hodgson) Multilingual Web Pages (Wing Yan Che) XML (Heather Empey) Dennis Ward School of Library and Information Studies University of Alberta From JEdminster at imcpl.lib.in.us Tue May 12 12:59:17 1998 From: JEdminster at imcpl.lib.in.us (Jeff Edminster) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Web Sponsorship Message-ID: <61B868D2FF29D111850200805FB64B0E5EB6A9@EXCHANGE> The Indianapolis-Marion County Public Library is considering using corporate sponsorship (advertising) on our web site. If any of this list's subscribers are already doing this and would be willing to answer some questions we have, I'd appreciate a private e-mail with the name of a contact person and a phone number. Jeff Edminster Manager, Applications & Training Service Section Indianapolis-Marion County Public Library Phone: (317) 269-5206 Fax: (317) 269-1820 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue May 12 15:12:00 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: instant messaging based in webpage needed References: <3.0.5.32.19980508224651.0085e4b0@his.com> Message-ID: <35589F00.7CF06A53@morrisville.edu> Please, read my message a little more closely. I am looking for software that will run through the web browser on the desk top of the reference librarian and not require any special software beyond the web browser on the user's computer. Many have suggested ICQ and AOL Messenger. These require specific software on bothe machines. I want the user to enter a message in a webpage and have the reference librarian see it on the reference desk computer. The librarian then should be able to inreact via the keyboard with the remote user. Paul Foldes wrote: > > consider icq - from mirrabilis www.icq.com > paul > > At 02:38 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anyone know of any web based software for Windows 95 based web > >server that will allow a user at a remote site to communicate in more or > >less real-time with the machine the web server is on? The software > >should have a way of displaying on the host machine a message and/or a > >sound that a message is coming in. The host machine should also be able > >to store messages if no one is available at that time. I remember using > >such software a couple of years ago with ZBServer on my own machine. > >Can't find it now. We are moving to a laptop university environment as > >well as doing distance learning and need to implement such a service. > >The big necessity is that it require no special software on the remote > >user's machine other than a web browser. E-mail is too slow and > >undependable for this type of service. > >-- > >Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > >SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > >E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > >Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > >Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > >Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > >LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > >Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm > >survive. > >-- > > > > > ------------------------------------- > Paul Foldes InterHelp, Inc. > > E-Mail: <mailto:pfoldes@interhelp.com> > +1 (703) 370 0008 Phone/Voice (24x7) > ICQ: 6661414 -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us Tue May 12 15:22:36 1998 From: davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: instant messaging based in webpage needed In-Reply-To: <35589F00.7CF06A53@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.980512152125.5475A-100000@metronet.lib.mi.us> Consider IRC using a Java IRC client. Of course this would require that the patron has a Java-enabled browser. http://www.wwfin.net I believe has one, written by a friend of mine, Scott Oom. If you're interested, I can find his e-mail address for you. -vsd On Tue, 12 May 1998, Bill Drew wrote: > Please, read my message a little more closely. I am looking for > software that will run through the web browser on the desk top of the > reference librarian and not require any special software beyond the web > browser on the user's computer. Many have suggested ICQ and AOL > Messenger. These require specific software on bothe machines. I want > the user to enter a message in a webpage and have the reference > librarian see it on the reference desk computer. The librarian then > should be able to inreact via the keyboard with the remote user. > > Paul Foldes wrote: > > > > consider icq - from mirrabilis www.icq.com > > paul > > > > At 02:38 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Does anyone know of any web based software for Windows 95 based web > > >server that will allow a user at a remote site to communicate in more or > > >less real-time with the machine the web server is on? The software > > >should have a way of displaying on the host machine a message and/or a > > >sound that a message is coming in. The host machine should also be able > > >to store messages if no one is available at that time. I remember using > > >such software a couple of years ago with ZBServer on my own machine. > > >Can't find it now. We are moving to a laptop university environment as > > >well as doing distance learning and need to implement such a service. > > >The big necessity is that it require no special software on the remote > > >user's machine other than a web browser. E-mail is too slow and > > >undependable for this type of service. > > >-- > > >Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > > >SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > > >E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > > >Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > > >Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > > >Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > > >LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > > >Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm > > >survive. > > >-- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > Paul Foldes InterHelp, Inc. > > > > E-Mail: <mailto:pfoldes@interhelp.com> > > +1 (703) 370 0008 Phone/Voice (24x7) > > ICQ: 6661414 > > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm > survive. > -- > From pappas at aimhi.com Tue May 12 15:39:19 1998 From: pappas at aimhi.com (Cleo Pappas) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <3558A566.281C2FC7@aimhi.com> This message will be posted to several lists. Please excuse duplication. As a part time reference librarian and graduate student in library and information science, I have been increasingly fascinated with the vagaries of the world wide web as a research tool. Accordingly, I have elected to investigate the impact of free web sites on the provision of reference service within the the public library. Although much of the project will be confined to public libraries in the state of Illinois, I am very interested in hearing relevant observations from any subscribers to this list. Do you consider free web sites as viable reference sources? Under what circumstances do you or your colleagues or subordinates tend to turn to the web? What impact, if any, has the web had on reference service in your library? Any pertinent thoughts or observations will be most deeply appreciated. This project is being completed under the direction of Dr. William Crowley of Dominican University. Please e-mail your responses to me privately at pappas@aimhi.com. Thank you for your assistance! Cleo P. Pappas -- "Society is no comfort to one not sociable." William Shakespeare -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980512/69a22010/attachment.htm From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue May 12 15:34:40 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: 4th Anniversary References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980511130037.22070T-100000@ic.net> Message-ID: <3558A450.30D85221@morrisville.edu> Thanks to Louis for a wonderful book that I am now just starting to read,_Information Architecture for the World Wide Web_ , and to all that have been on this list since Day 1 four years ago. Its been fun, educational, and well worth reading. Louis Rosenfeld wrote: > > Kudos to Roy for his expert guidance, and thanks to everyone who has > participated in this list for keeping the noise level to a whisper and the > information high octane. > > Louis Rosenfeld lou@argus-inc.com > Argus Associates, Inc. http://argus-inc.com > 109 Catherine Street voice: +1.734.913.0010 > Ann Arbor, MI 48104 USA fax: +1.734.213.8082 > > Information Architecture for the World Wide Web (L. Rosenfeld & P. Morville) > O'Reilly & Associates, 1998. http://www.ora.com/catalog/infotecture/ -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Tue May 12 16:20:37 1998 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: 4th Anniversary In-Reply-To: <3558A450.30D85221@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980512140400.15212F-100000@moondog.usask.ca> Just a reminder that web4libbers Roy, Lou, Thomas, me, (did I miss anyone?) will be speaking at Access '98 this October in Saskatoon. More info at: http://library.usask.ca/access98 I'm toying with the idea of streaming the conference live via RealVideo/Audio (if the speakers agree) for those who cannot attend in person. Would that be of interest? From BRONISLK at gunet.georgetown.edu Tue May 12 18:19:12 1998 From: BRONISLK at gunet.georgetown.edu (Nicole Bossard (Kate Bronislawski)) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Increasing Access to the Internet Message-ID: <s558843c.058@gunet.georgetown.edu> Hello List Members, Please put your thinking caps on for this one. I administer a listserv for an organization that supports local communities to create comprehensive integrated systems of care for children/youth with special needs and their families. Our listserv is in the beginning stages, and not getting great response from our members. Here's the problem: Many of our members don't have access to email and the Web from their homes. Can you all provide some suggestions on how our members, from all over the country, might be able to access these electronic resources from libraries? Any information/suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks, Nicole From gelinsrl at alverno.edu Tue May 12 17:53:12 1998 From: gelinsrl at alverno.edu (Robin L. Gelinson-Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Increasing Access to the Internet References: <s558843c.058@gunet.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <3558C4C7.4A1C1843@mail.alverno.edu> I think if they have libraries with Internet acess, you might want to have them all subscribe to either Hotmail www.hotmail.com or Yahoo mail. They can be accessed from any internet computer (unless it is blocked) and they can also use it to pick up mail from any other pop mail account they have. The best feature though, is that they are free...except for the annoying little commericials on the screen :) Robin -- ******************************************************** Robin Gelinson-Zalben Automation Librarian Alverno College Library Media Center Milwaukee, Wisconsin From rjtiess at juno.com Tue May 12 20:49:57 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Increasing Access to the Internet References: <s558843c.058@gunet.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <19980512.205411.3590.3.rjtiess@juno.com> Dear Nicole, While it's certain not to be the cure-all for your situation, consider Juno (http://www.juno.com). It allows people without the Internet to access e-mail at home via a dial-up account. Juno has a number of dial-up locations (no 1-800), and I've been using it for some time now--even after I got Internet access at home. It's easy to install and use, and it should increase your listserv subscriber base by a few more users. Take care, and good luck. Yours, Robert Robert J. Tiess Middletown Thrall Library rjtiess@juno.com thrall12@warwick.net http://www.thrall.org Nicole Bossard (Kate Bronislawski) <BRONISLK@gunet.georgetown.edu> writes: >Hello List Members, >Please put your thinking caps on for this one. I administer a listserv for >an organization that supports local communities to create comprehensive >integrated systems of care for children/youth with special needs and >their families. Our listserv is in the beginning stages, and not >getting great response from our members. > >Here's the problem: > >Many of our members don't have access to email and >the Web from their homes. Can you all provide some suggestions on >how our members, from all over the country, might be able to access >these electronic resources from libraries? > >Any information/suggestions would be very helpful. > >Thanks, >Nicole > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jgoldsmi at rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca Tue May 12 15:13:58 1998 From: jgoldsmi at rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca (John_Goldsmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: Increasing Access to the Internet In-Reply-To: <s558843c.058@gunet.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <v03102801b17e4d262ed8@[142.22.38.119]> Hi Nicole, A solution of last resort might be the free e-mail accounts on Web Sites such as AltaVista (http://www.altavista.digital.com), Excite (http://www.excite.com) and Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com) - to name a few. Any one with access to a Web Browser such as Netscape, Explorer, Mosaic, etc., in a library, school, Internet cafe, anywhere in the world could access their e-mail. There are "some" drawbacks to this type of e-mail. The most obvious is the deluge of advertisements which must be endured. The second is download limits. Anyone who signed up for a list then didn't check their mail for a long time might "loose" many of their messages because their electronic mail box was full. As well, these sites can be very slow at peak times. How that helps. >Hello List Members, >Please put your thinking caps on for this one. I administer a listserv for >an organization that supports local communities to create comprehensive >integrated systems of care for children/youth with special needs and >their families. Our listserv is in the beginning stages, and not getting >great response from our members. > >Here's the problem: > >Many of our members don't have access to email and >the Web from their homes. Can you all provide some suggestions on >how our members, from all over the country, might be able to access >these electronic resources from libraries? > >Any information/suggestions would be very helpful. > >Thanks, >Nicole John Goldsmith, Fraser Valley Distance Education School 49520 Prairie Central Road, Chilliwack, BC/Canada V2P 6H3 Phone:(604) 794-7310/Loc 283 Fax:(604) 795-8480 http://www.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca e-mail: jgoldsmi@rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca From sthomas at library.adelaide.edu.au Wed May 13 00:27:57 1998 From: sthomas at library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: 05.12.98 CSS & Design Spec [ Rookie Query ] In-Reply-To: <000601bd7da0$af96b1d0$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980513132757.00963440@clucas.library.adelaide.edu.au> At 05:38 AM 12-05-98 -0700, Thomas Dowling wrote: >> >> Also take the same site and open it on a macintosh type size will look >> larger or smaller depening on the orginal platform the site was created >> on. ... > >Given the same font at the same point size, the Mac has always had a >smaller on-screen rendering than Windows. That's just how it is, and >probably always will be until Stevie and Mikey learn to play nice >together. I believe that this is due to the different resolutions standard on Mac and Win platforms: Mac is 72dpi, Win is 90dpi. You'll find that the same GIF looks bigger on a Windows PC than a Mac, for the same reason. (I think -- someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong.) > >For this and several other reasons--notably accessibility--it is usually >unwise to specify absolute font sizes. (Although doing so in CSS instead >of FONT tags probably makes it easier for a user to bypass your font >settings in favor of their own.) I second that. As the owner of a pair of ageing eyes, I find it useful to set my default font size to 12pt rather than 10pt. No doubt by the time I retire I'll be up to 18pt. :-) I hate it when certain sites decree that their text will be displayed in some (to me) microscopic type size. Let the user decide! Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ Stephen Thomas, Senior Systems Analyst Mail : Barr Smith Library, The University of Adelaide, South Australia 5005 Phone: (08) 8303 5190 Fax: (08) 8303 4369 Email: sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au URL : http://library.adelaide.edu.au/ual/staff/sthomas.html ** Unless otherwise stated, the content of this message reflects only my ** ** own opinion, and not the policy of the University of Adelaide Library.** "I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake From aace at curry.edschool.virginia.edu Wed May 13 00:13:15 1998 From: aace at curry.edschool.virginia.edu (Assoc Advancement Computers Education) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: WebNet Journal: Announcement & Call for Participation Message-ID: <199805130413.AAA61416@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU> WebNet Journal: Internet Technologies, Issues, Business & Education ** http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet ** >> 1st Announcement & Call for Articles & Reviewers << The WebNet Journal is a new quarterly print magazine focusing on WWW, Internet, and Intranet-based technologies, applications, research, and issues. Published by AACE, the organizer of the successful and respected WebNet Conference series (http://www.aace.org/conf/webnet), the premiere issue will be available November 1998. The WebNet Journal is designed to be an innovative international collaboration between and forum for the top academic and corporate laboratory researchers, developers, business people, and users. ********** The Journal is seeking contributors as authors, columnists, book reviewers, Editorial Review Board members, and associate editors. ********** Major article topics include: -------------------------------------- - Educational Applications - Commercial, Business, Professional, and Community Applications - General Web Tools and Facilities - Societal Issues, Including Legal, Standards, and International Issues - Ergonomic, Interface, and Cognitive Issues - Electronic Publishing and Digital Libraries - Personal Applications and Environments - Web Technical Facilities (For a list of subtopics, see http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/scope.htm) All feature articles are carefully peer-reviewed and selected by a respected international editorial review board based on merit and perceived value of the content for readers. Columnists offer how-to articles and expert commentary on the latest developments. The Corporate Development department showcases the latest products and discusses new developments. The abbreviated online version of the WebNet Journal will offer timely publication of article abstracts, columns, and related news. > LINKS < WebNet Journal Main Page -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet Scope -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/scope.htm Call for Authors & Reviewers -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/call.htm Author guidelines -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/Guidelines.htm Article Submission form -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/submit How to Subscribe -- http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/subscribe.htm If you are interested in contributing as an author, article or book reviewer, columnist, or associate editor, please return the form at http://www.aace.org/pubs/webnet/call.htm or contact: WebNet Journal/AACE P.O. Box 2966 Charlottesville, VA 22902 USA E-mail: AACE@virginia.edu; 804-973-3987; Fax: 804-978-7449 http://www.aace.org ================================================================== From Rtarenskeen at ci.escondido.ca.us Wed May 13 00:49:57 1998 From: Rtarenskeen at ci.escondido.ca.us (Rosemary Tarenskeen) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:23 2005 Subject: removing frameborders in PageMill 3.0 Message-ID: <s558c433.007@ci.escondido.ca.us> I'm new at working with PageMill and with frames. I'm trying to create a frameset with no borders. Can I do this in PageMill? Or, do I have to use a text editor to set the frameborders to zero? I can't seem to find any PageMill documentation for doing this. Actually, I'm also stumped by the fact that when I view the source for my frameset in PageMill, I do not see any frameset tags. From zhang at TI.FhG.DE Wed May 13 03:03:34 1998 From: zhang at TI.FhG.DE (Zhongdong Zhang) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: [Q]: Web site management tools Message-ID: <355945C6.5B28E6FE@ti.fhg.de> Greetings, I'm looking for web site management software or HTML editors with web site management feature. I have found three: - Microsoft FrontPage, - NetObjects Fusion, and - GoLive CyberStudio. My questions: - Are there any other such tools? - Coud you tell me your experiences? - Which functions are often desired for site management? Thanks, Zhongdong From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed May 13 09:38:14 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <000601bd7e74$60c63330$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Web4Lib-- There have been a couple of posts about style sheets recently, and I wanted to call attention to a couple of CSS-related items on the W3C site. First is that CSS level 2 has been issued as a recommendation. In the W3C's terminology, that's an official release of the specification. As with most W3C recommendations, the spec is way ahead of the browsers, but Microsoft and Mozilla have both said they'll have at least partial support in their next releases. Along with this release, W3C has set up a CSS2 validation service and a test suite of documenets to check a browser's CSS1 conformance. Another project which has just surfaced on the W3C site is the Core Styles project, which has created a set of *very* complete stylesheets. Authors can use the sheets as is, or mix and match modules from the different sheets. The effects are very interesting and underscore just how powerful a good CSS implementation could be. URLs of note: CSS2 Specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ Changes from CSS1: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/changes.html CSS2 Validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ CSS1 Test Suite: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ Core Styles Project: http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 09:43:23 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Need people to test survey. Message-ID: <3559A37B.96FE54CC@morrisville.edu> If anyone has the time, please take a look at my survey for Not Just Cows at: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/survey Please fill it out and in a separate message let me know what you think about it. It is also accessible thoguh the NJC opening page. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 10:09:13 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles References: <000601bd7e74$60c63330$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3559A989.D2BC689D@morrisville.edu> Maybe I'm a little slow but I really don't understand what is to be gained from style sheets. I don't see the real difference between such things as <b></b> or <strong></strong> when I get exactly the same result. What is the real difference? How do they breakdown when used by older browsers? What do I gain? More important, what do I loose if I use style sheets? -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 10:23:30 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets References: <000601bd7e74$60c63330$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3559ACE2.3581F83D@morrisville.edu> Why is it considered wrong to use presentational funcitons such as <font> and such? What do I use it its place so that they still work in earlier versions of the browsers? I like the results I see in the Core Style Sheets site but I want to be able to use realtive font sizes as well. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From agarou at LIB1.Lan.McGill.CA Wed May 13 11:13:40 1998 From: agarou at LIB1.Lan.McGill.CA (Anna Garoufalis) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Increasing Net Access and drawbacks Message-ID: <199805131520.LAA01917@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Hello. Getting free Web based e-mail accounts is an option; however, there is another drawback to this type of "public" e-mail: anyone sitting at a public workstation can easily retrieve and read someone else's messages simply by clicking on the browser's "Go" menu and selecting the appropriate page from the history list. (Clearing the caches or exiting the browser helps reduce this possibility). Anna Garoufalis _________________________ On Tue, 12 May jgoldsmi@rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca wrote: > A solution of last resort might be the free e-mail accounts on Web > Sites... [snip] > Any one with access to a Web Browser such as Netscape, Explorer, > Mosaic, etc., in a library, school, Internet cafe, anywhere in the > world could access their e-mail. > > There are "some" drawbacks to this type of e-mail. The most obvious > is the deluge of advertisements which must be endured. The second > is download limits. Anyone who signed up for a list then didn't > check their mail for a long time might "loose" many of their > messages because their electronic mail box was full. > > As well, these sites can be very slow at peak times. _________________________ On Tue, 12 May 1998, BRONISLK@gunet.georgetown.edu wrote: [snip] > >Here's the problem: > > > >Many of our members don't have access to email and > >the Web from their homes. Can you all provide some suggestions on > >how our members, from all over the country, might be able to access > >these electronic resources from libraries? > > > >Any information/suggestions would be very helpful. Anna Garoufalis Information Services Librarian Health Sciences Library, McGill University 3655 Drummond St. Montreal, Quebec H3G 1Y6 Canada Tel: (514) 398-4475 ext. 094166 Fax: (514) 398-3890 E-mail: agarou@lib1.lan.mcgill.ca URL: http://www.health.library.mcgill.ca From mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 13 11:54:25 1998 From: mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us (Mary Bush) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Problem saving Word files/Possible virus? Message-ID: <s5595fce.028@email.mesd.k12.or.us> Has anyone encountered a virus infecting Word that inhibits saving files and responds with "permission denied" ? I have tried "save", "save as", opening a new file and then trying to "insert" the file and I still get one of 3 error messages- "permission denied" "disk may be full or write protected" "directory or file cannot be created". Actually, the error message started with "permission denied" and has now gone into the other 2 varieties. I have plenty of disk space, this happens no matter how many programs are open at one time, and the file (s) are not write protected. I'm using Windows95, Word 6.0 and on a Novelle 4.11 network. Thanks for any assistance and I apologize if I have missed a discussion on this topic. From jahb at Lehigh.EDU Wed May 13 12:03:52 1998 From: jahb at Lehigh.EDU (Jenne Heise, Idea Hamster) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets Message-ID: <199805131603.MAA17884@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> >Maybe I'm a little slow but I really don't understand what is to be >gained from style sheets. I don't see the real difference between such >things as <b></b> or <strong></strong> when I get exactly the same >result. What is the real difference? How do they breakdown when used >by older browsers? What do I gain? More important, what do I loose if I >use style sheets? > Er... you lose nothing. Style sheets are fully compatible with earlier browsers. Really fully compatible, not 'Netscape says'-- we've tried it, and it works. The cool thing about style sheets is that you can define how you want things to look, once, and use the style sheet over and over again. Style sheets isn't the difference between <B> and <STRONG>. It's the ability to define <STRONG> as being red, or in a different font, or underlined, and/or bold. You can redefine <CITE> to look different: underlined for chemistry, bold and italic for book reviews, etc. And at the very least, you can define a standard background/color scheme and change it only once, on the style sheet, and have that apply to every page you used the style sheet on! Examples: my review site at: http://www.lehigh.edu/~jahb/witchbib/ has special cite and H3 tags specified. Our library pages have a style sheet call in them to use the standard Lehigh color scheme. Jennifer Heise, Net: jahb@lehigh.edu \ Senior Specialist, Web Management, Lehigh Univ. Info. Resources / / My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway. \ "There ain't no doubt in no-one's mind that love's the finest thing around.." Jennifer Heise, Net: jahb@lehigh.edu \ Senior Specialist, Web Management, Lehigh Univ. Info. Resources / / My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway. \ "There ain't no doubt in no-one's mind that love's the finest thing around.." From sdk at mindspring.com Wed May 13 12:24:56 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: rationale for the corporate library Message-ID: <00de01bd7e8b$b133d540$3886b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> This appears in the current edition of Netscape Enterprise Developer. Developers need a corporate library Organizing physical information can save precious programmer hours By Peter Bierman Summary Enterprise software developers need a vast amount of information to perform their jobs -- and most often, they spend costly hours searching for it in bookstores, stacks of old papers, and on the Web. Peter Bierman argues that companies can save precious developer time by creating an easy-to-use corporate library and staffing it with a skilled librarian. (1,350 words) http://www.netscapeworld.com/ned-05-1998/ned-05-library.html Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess Around http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/bestbet/index.html From hsamuels at nwu.edu Wed May 13 13:02:23 1998 From: hsamuels at nwu.edu (Harry E. Samuels) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Job Opening - Northwestern University Library Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980513120222.00a64b90@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY LIBRARY HEAD, LIBRARY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS RESPONSIBILITIES: Supervise 1.5 FTE systems analysts. Manage the operation and maintenance of the Endeavor Voyager Library Management System, OCLC Web/Z - SiteSearch system, Inter-Library Loan/Document Request system, Ovid citation database system, and other UNIX based systems. Responsibilities include UNIX system administration, relational database management, systems analysis, and programming. Coordinates activities related to these systems with other staff members in the University Library's Information Technology Division and with the University's Computer Services Department. Supports library staff and patrons in the use of these systems. REQUIREMENTS: Five or more years of experience with progressive responsibilities in support of computer systems running on UNIX servers or mainframe computers, 2 or more years experience in UNIX system administration (AIX preferred), 1 or more years experience with relational database management systems (Oracle preferred), and experience in programming in one or more of the following languages: SQL (PL/SQL preferred), PERL, Java, C++, C. PREFERENCE GIVEN FOR: Experience with supervision of systems analysts/programmers, library management systems, NT Workstation, NT Server, IntraNetWare, CGI, Visual Basic, Visual C++. SALARY: Salary is commensurate with skills and experience. Minimum is $45,870. To Apply: Send letter of application and resume, including the names of three references to Peter J. Devlin, Personnel Librarian, Northwestern University Library, E98-0315, 1935 Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL 60208-2300. Applications received by June 15 will receive first consideration. Northwestern University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. Employment eligibility verification required upon hire. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 13:15:37 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? Message-ID: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Can anyone tell me if there are ADA guidelines for webpages? Several people testing my survey form have asked me if NJC is ADA compliant. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 13:24:13 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets References: <199805131603.MAA17884@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Message-ID: <3559D73D.2F425BB8@morrisville.edu> Jenne Heise, Idea Hamster wrote: > > Er... you lose nothing. Style sheets are fully compatible with earlier > browsers. Really fully compatible, not 'Netscape says'-- we've tried it, and > it works. > > The cool thing about style sheets is that you can define how you want things > to look, once, and use the style sheet over and over again. I can do that now using server side includes and templates that work for all browsers. I can also do a search/replace across my whole site if I need to. > > Style sheets isn't the difference between <B> and <STRONG>. It's the ability > to define <STRONG> as being red, or in a different font, or underlined, and/or > bold. You can redefine <CITE> to look different: underlined for chemistry, > bold and italic for book reviews, etc. I can do that now with HTML that works on most browsers. > > And at the very least, you can define a standard background/color scheme and > change it only once, on the style sheet, and have that apply to every page you > used the style sheet on! See my comments above. > > Examples: my review site at: > http://www.lehigh.edu/~jahb/witchbib/ > has special cite and H3 tags specified. Nothing there that can't be done with standard html. If CSS don't give you added functionality why use them? Am I missing the point or am I just turning into a curmudgeon? I see no incentive to use style sheets until they become the standard. The results are the same, no added functionality as there can be with Java/JavaScripts, no real improvements in control of the results, and clearly a lack of compatibility across various browsers and platforms. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 13:33:27 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles References: <009301bd7e78$6bcaccb0$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <3559D967.EE853778@morrisville.edu> Chris Lott wrote: > 1. Consistency across documents Good point. > 2. Ease of maintenance Also a good point > 3. "Clean" Markup Please elaborate. Fewer nested tags? > 4. Advanced layout features accessible without losing users in older > browsers But I want the layout to be good for all users. What about browsers that let me use <b></b> but not <strong></strong>? That would mean that users of older browsers would not see bold text if the <strong> was used in place of <b>. I really want to experiement with style sheets and will do so but I think it is premature to declare them the end of life as we know it. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Wed May 13 10:49:10 1998 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <00ff01bd7e7e$4a444890$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> >Maybe I'm a little slow but I really don't understand what is to be >gained from style sheets. I don't see the real difference between such >things as <b></b> or <strong></strong> when I get exactly the same >result. What is the real difference? How do they breakdown when used >by older browsers? What do I gain? More important, what do I loose if I >use style sheets? 1. Consistency across documents 2. Ease of maintenance 3. "Clean" Markup 4. Advanced layout features accessible without losing users in older browsers c -- Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 Instructional Technology Specialist Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed May 13 13:55:52 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <001201bd7e98$5eb71ef0$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Probably the best thing to try at the moment is the draft Web Accessibility Guidelines at http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/WD-WAI-PAGEAUTH-0203 and use Bobby for additional suggestions (http://www.cast.org/bobby/bobby.html). Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > [mailto:web4lib@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Wilfred Drew > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 1:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? > > > Can anyone tell me if there are ADA guidelines for > webpages? Several people testing my survey form have asked > me if NJC is ADA compliant. From gelinsrl at alverno.edu Wed May 13 14:06:06 1998 From: gelinsrl at alverno.edu (Robin L. Gelinson-Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? References: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3559E10D.F52233AA@mail.alverno.edu> Try this site for information. http://www.rit.edu/~easi/access.html Robin -- ******************************************************** Robin Gelinson-Zalben Automation Librarian Alverno College Library Media Center Milwaukee, Wisconsin From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 14:20:13 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? References: <9805138950.AA895082234@nsc-nt1.netsynergy.com> Message-ID: <3559E45D.11F9D437@morrisville.edu> Thanks for all of the suggestions for links to sites that have information about amking sites accessable. I guess what I am after is the actual ADA policy and official recommendations. I am already doing most of the things suggested by the various sites. Need the official word on the subject. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Wed May 13 11:23:33 1998 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets Message-ID: <011e01bd7e83$177aa0d0$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> >I can do that now using server side includes and templates >that work for all browsers. I can also do a search/replace >across my whole site if I need to. How so? Please tell me how you can redefine the look of every internal second level subhead across all documents on a site with one small change? Oh, and while you are at it, change your margins across your site from 5% on the right to 10% but leave the left the same. Oh, and also make the first line indent of all paragraphs 4 em instead of five. Oh, and can you also be sure that all citations are in a san serif font without specifying the font face, since I don't have arial, courier or helvetica on my (or my company's) machine? And what about most authors who are not even able to author for sites that include SSI? And how about second level headings which you can't do a site-wide search and replace because there are actually three different kinds of <h3> depending on context? >You can redefine <CITE> to look different: underlined for chemistry, >bold and italic for book reviews, etc. >I can do that now with HTML that works on most browsers. How so? Please explain how you can duplicate the functionality of CITE.chem CITE.review CITE.web on the same page and then change them all on all 50 pages with one simple edit? All the advantages that I also listed earlier also still apply. Not to mention that using CSS actually allows better access for the disabled and retains the content/presentation distinction which makes the web, for some people, so much more worthwhile than other mediums. CSS DOES give much better control over the presentation, results that are impossible/near impossible without problematic kludges, etc. The only real marks against CSS right now are 1) there are still a lot of people who don't use browsers that can see them (but then I remember when even using tables was a real problem for this reason... presumably you use tables now?) 2) implementations that require Javascript are faulty for the same reason that using javascript is problematic. c -- Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 Instructional Technology Specialist Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks From gelinsrl at alverno.edu Wed May 13 14:36:29 1998 From: gelinsrl at alverno.edu (Robin L. Gelinson-Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets References: <3559D73D.2F425BB8@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3559E82D.D4F58539@mail.alverno.edu> I think the advantage of CSS is that you can create a "standard" for a group of pages. ie Always put <h3> in purple centered or make all left table columns centered. This standard can be a separate page, so that instead of updating every single <h3> from purple to green requires editing of one line instead of twelve lines on each page. Robin -- ******************************************************** Robin Gelinson-Zalben Automation Librarian Alverno College Library Media Center Milwaukee, Wisconsin From tdrake at tcjc.cc.tx.us Wed May 13 14:51:48 1998 From: tdrake at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Dr. Theodore E. Drake) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <l03102803b17f9c1aacbf@[10.4.5.19]> At 10:45 AM -0700 5/13/98, Wilfred Drew wrote: >Can anyone tell me if there are ADA guidelines for >webpages? Several people testing my survey form have asked >me if NJC is ADA compliant. Bill -- CAST (Center for Applied Special Technology) is a not-for-profit organization whose mission is to expand opportunities for individuals with disabilities through innovative computer technology. Their website at http://www.cast.org/ includes links to the W3C draft of page authoring guidelines http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-WAI-PAGEAUTH Bobby http://www.cast.org/bobby/ will check your pages for compliance. t.e.d. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Theodore E. Drake, Ed.D. tdrake@tcjc.cc.tx.us Director of Library Services Voice (817) 515-4513 Jenkins Garrett Library Fax (817) 515-5726 Tarrant County Junior College Ft. Worth, TX 76119 o, o__ o_/| o_. . </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ . W5TB/QRP (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~@~~ Library Home page: http://www.tcjc.cc.tx.us/campus_sc/library/tcjcslib.htm Personal Home Page: http://www.fastlane.net/homepages/anne/ From Mark.Gooch at law.csuohio.edu Wed May 13 14:51:08 1998 From: Mark.Gooch at law.csuohio.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? References: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3559EB9C.893AB157@law.csuohio.edu> I received a message from another list with the DOJ response to a request from Sen. Harkin on this matter. For fear of including copyright material I will give you a link to one copy of it that I found doing a quick search. I have verified the cite from which the information is derived. Here's the link: http://www.disrights.org/data/doj.webaccess.txt Mark Wilfred Drew wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there are ADA guidelines for > webpages? Several people testing my survey form have asked > me if NJC is ADA compliant. > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, > Reference) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, > NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU > powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. > -- -- Mark D. Gooch Cleveland State University Government Information Librarian 1801 Euclid Ave. Cleveland-Marshall Law Library Cleveland, Ohio 44115 (216)687-5579 Voice (216)687-5098 Fax Mark.Gooch@law.csuohio.edu http://www.law.csuohio.edu/lawlibrary/ "I guess we still have some bugs to work out," --Bill Gates at Comdex 98 in Chicago as Windows98 crashed on him From zeigenl at ohsu.edu Wed May 13 15:03:26 1998 From: zeigenl at ohsu.edu (Laura Zeigen) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: IE 4.0 and Macintosh Question Message-ID: <s55991ab.010@ohsu.edu> Greetings, Web4Libers, Our main Web page, <http://www.ohsu.edu/bicc-Library>, does not show up properly when viewed through Internet Explorer 4.0 running on a Macintosh: it loses the entire middle column of a three-column, three-row table, and loses the top two cells for the last column. I have tested this with the following, all of which showed the page properly: 1. Internet Explorer 4.0 on Windows95 2. Internet Explorer 3.0 on Macintosh 3. Internet Explorer 3.0 on Windows95 I also checked Internet Explorer 4.0 on the Macintosh after I had stripped a bunch of codes away (at <http://www.ohsu.edu/bicc-Librayr/test/980512library.htm>). This still yielded the same problem. We installed IE4.0 on several different Macintoshes from an Office98 CD, each with the same result. Note: I wanted to rule out our copy of IE4.0 from the CD, so I tried to download a "fresh" copy of IE4.0 for the Mac from the Microsoft site numerous times, and received a data error each time. Is there a known bug for Internet Explorer 4.0 with Macintosh? I am not using any non-standard tags that I am aware of. Thank you, in advance, to any of you who take a look at this. Laura Zeigen - zeigenl@ohsu.edu Library Web Manager Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, Oregon From riddle at is.rice.edu Wed May 13 15:41:53 1998 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559E45D.11F9D437@morrisville.edu> from "Wilfred Drew" at May 13, 98 12:26:54 pm Message-ID: <199805131941.OAA14242@is.rice.edu> > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:26:54 -0700 > From: Wilfred Drew <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> > Subject: Re: ADA guidelines for webpages? > > Thanks for all of the suggestions for links to sites that > have information about amking sites accessable. I guess > what I am after is the actual ADA policy and official > recommendations. I am already doing most of the things > suggested by the various sites. Need the official word on > the subject. I've been on the trail of the same thing, and it seems to be an elusive beast. An announcement of an ACRL/NEC conference entitled "Widening the Door: Access to Web-Based Resources for Users with Disabilities" last April mentioned "a recent Department of Justice ruling" on ADA and web design. It took some effort to find anyone associated with the conference who could give us a citation, but eventually they referred us to: National Disability Law Reporter, vol. 10, issue 6, 9/11/97 (?) The NDLR contained a short article which read: "More and more businesses are using Internet web pages as a marketing tool. To what extent does the ADA require such pages to be acessible to people visual impairments? In response to an inquiry from a United States senator, the Justice Department advised that ADA requirements do apply to Internet web pages Entities subject to Title II or III of the statute must provide effective communication, the agency said, regardless of whether they generally communicate via print, audio or computerized media such as the Internet. If a covered entity uses the Internet to communicate regarding its programs, goods, or services, then those communications should be offered through accessible means. One way to do so is to provide web page information in text format that is accessible to screen reading devices that are used by people with visual impairments. Another acceptable option, according to the Justice Department, is to make known, in a screen-readable format on the web page, the availability of other accessible formats such as Braille or large print." I haven't seen the full NDLR ssue myself; apparently there's a more complete (?) version available for a fee. But exactly what the DOJ said and whether it represented a mandate on web design is still unclear to me. I'm in the same boat as you -- I believe I'm doing the right thing already, and wish it were a bit easier to find out whether there's a letter of the law I should be adhering to as well. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 15:51:42 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? References: <199805131941.OAA14242@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: <3559F9CE.91891DB4@morrisville.edu> I am actually looking for a document that lists the guidelines or requirements much in the way that DOJ's ADA wesite has a document clearly telling you how to stripe a parking lot for handicapped spaces. There are many sites with conflicting "standards" for improving access to the web by the so-called disabled or handicapped. Clearly we need a concise set of standards from the feds. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From raybornr at crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us Wed May 13 16:54:17 1998 From: raybornr at crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us (Roger Rayborn) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559D539.B5A3565B@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <l03130301b17fb324a234@[198.134.138.31]> At 11:45 AM -0600 5/13/98, Wilfred Drew wrote: >Can anyone tell me if there are ADA guidelines for >webpages? Several people testing my survey form have asked >me if NJC is ADA compliant. >-- One good approach would be to check with the Center for Applied Special Technology ( http://www.cast.org/bobby/ ). They work with "individuals with disabilities through innovative computer technology". The "Bobby" HTML Analyzer looks at some of the issues of the disabled and makes recommendations with those issues in mind. They base their analyzer on a document from the Web Accessiblity Initiative at http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-WAI-PAGEAUTH . This document is a list of markup guidelines that HTML authors should follow in order to make their pages more accessible for people with disabilities The DO-IT (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking & Technology) site at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~doit/Brochures/Technology/universal.design.html also has some good recommendations. They also have a video specifically on designing accessible Web Pages. Roger A. Rayborn raybornr@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us Computer Information Systems Manager Cedar Rapids Public Library 500 1st St SE Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52404 From gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us Wed May 13 16:24:04 1998 From: gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us (Gerald M. Furi) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets In-Reply-To: <3559E82D.D4F58539@mail.alverno.edu> Message-ID: <000301bd7ead$12c75fe0$381eb3c7@gmf.gmf.metronet.lib.mi.us> Good afternoon, all. I have enjoyed the discussion re: CSS very much and, yes, I believe they do hold great promise. I don't pretend to have the technical expertise of the list mavens, but the last time I experimented with CSS (around 4 months ago) I found that MSIE (4.0n) and Communicator had wildly different implementations / interpretations, with such variance as to render cross-browser consistency nonexistent. CSS works splendidly using MSIE on an intranet, but I manage a consortium of public libraries with over 12,000 user accounts and a minimum of 120 dialup lines among them. Analyses of our web server logs show that patrons are using everything from early Mac versions of Netscape through the latest MSIE and Communicator releases. And what about earlier browser versions? How about, say, Opera? I'd be most interested in hearing readers' insights or experiences concerning this. Or am I missing something? Gerald Furi System Administrator, Metro Net Library Consortium, Inc. Farmington Hills, MI From Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu Wed May 13 16:32:11 1998 From: Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Style Sheets Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980513153211.00690d64@vmsa.csd.mu.edu> How do they breakdown when used >>by older browsers? What do I gain? More important, what do I loose if I >>use style sheets? >> If you do it correctly, for example, by putting styles in comment tags, the older browsers will ignore the style sheet information and your pages will look ok. However, the stylistic elements won't appear on pages viewed in older browsers that can't interpret style sheets. If you think that it's important to control something like font colors, and you have a large number of users who have older browsers, I don't see anything wrong with using what will work in the older browsers. There are many advantages to using stylesheets, but if 'plain' HTML (even deprecated tags) work well for your site & those accessing it, why not use them until the majority of folks connecting to your site have newer browsers? The HTML police aren't going to come banging down your door if you don't use style sheets. :) Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * Sheryl.Dwinell@Marquette.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed May 13 16:53:25 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <3559D967.EE853778@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <001a01bd7eb1$2cb82a20$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> > > 3. "Clean" Markup > Please elaborate. Fewer nested tags? <h3 class="course_offering">Searching the Web</h3> ...is simple, clean, and easy to understand. At this level, it's irrelevant that you would like it centered, in light grey text on a dark blue background, set in Avant Garde Demibold 18pt. <center><table border=0><tr><td bgcolor="blue"><font face="avant garde demibold" size="+3" color="#CCCCCC">Searching the Web</font></td></tr></table></center> ...may have a comparable effect, but it looks like gibberish and (in this all too common example) also loses the fact that this is a header. > > > 4. Advanced layout features accessible without losing users in older > > browsers > But I want the layout to be good for all users. What about > browsers that let me use <b></b> but not <strong></strong>? > That would mean that users of older browsers would not see > bold text if the <strong> was used in place of <b>. Bill, you're hung up on <B> vs. <STRONG>. Both of those elements have been around since HTML 2.0, neither is even deprecated in HTML 4.0 Strict, and neither involves CSS per se. But since you bring it up... <B> explicitly marks text for boldface rendering. <STRONG> marks text for strong emphasis; the fact that every browser in the known universe defaults to rendering <STRONG> in boldface is a monument to the lack of imagination in browser designers. As an author and designer, I can imagine wanting to emphasize words or phrases by: Displaying them bold, italic, or underlined Shading the background, as with a hiliter Reversing background and foreground colors Drawing a box around the text Printing the text in small caps Having the text blink (The horror...the horror...) Speaking the text more loudly Speaking the text more slowly Speaking the text in a different voice Preceding the text with a chime HTML has tags to do the first line in this list. CSS has properties to do them all, and at the markup level, it will still be as intelligible as: <p>Please complete <strong class="really_important">sections 1 and 2</strong> before proceeding to section 3.</p> You want backwards compatibility? Point Netscape 1.0 at that, and it will show a paragraph with the word "all" showing strong emphasis. Of course, the punchline is that if my page cannot function without the specific layout I suggest, or if I'm unable to give up that degree of control over my pages' appearance, then what I'm doing isn't Web authorship (at least, not with HTML). Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS offers, I invite attempts to duplicate http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From riddle at is.rice.edu Wed May 13 17:04:00 1998 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559F9CE.91891DB4@morrisville.edu> from "Wilfred Drew" at May 13, 98 03:51:42 pm Message-ID: <199805132104.QAA19282@is.rice.edu> > From drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed May 13 14:47:27 1998 > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:51:42 -0400 > From: Wilfred Drew <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> > Subject: Re: ADA guidelines for webpages? > To: Prentiss Riddle <riddle@is.rice.edu> > Organization: SUNY Morrisville College Library > > I am actually looking for a document that lists the > guidelines or requirements much in the way that DOJ's ADA > wesite has a document clearly telling you how to stripe a > parking lot for handicapped spaces. > There are many sites with conflicting "standards" for > improving access to the web by the so-called disabled or > handicapped. Clearly we need a concise set of standards from > the feds. Yes and no. I hesitate to drag web4lib into a philosophical argument about government regulation, but it does seem clear to me that with the technology changing as fast as it is, rigid guidelines might do more harm than good. Even in the parking lot example you cite, there's always the possibility that a clever engineer could come up with a better way of striping them. On the web, with the technology changing under our feet every day, it seems certain that a single standard would get very old very fast and might impede creative solutions that would better serve the needs of disabled users. That said, most of us don't have time to engage in thorough disability/usability research, so an authority we can fall back on would be welcome, provided it allows flexibility for more creative approaches. My reading of the DOJ letter cited by Tom Gooch (http://www.disrights.org/data/doj.webaccess.txt -- thanks, Tom, as I'm not sure what I had seen previously but it wasn't that letter) is that, wonder of wonders, the DOJ does permit such flexibility and seems also to give a back-handed endorsement of lynx compatibility as an acceptable and easily implemented minimum standard. Or am I being overly generous to the author of the DOJ letter? -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle From zeigenl at ohsu.edu Wed May 13 17:25:19 1998 From: zeigenl at ohsu.edu (Laura Zeigen) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: IE 4.0 and Macintosh Answered Message-ID: <s559ad62.099@ohsu.edu> Thanks to all who replied to my original e-mail. Thanks especially to Thomas Dowling, who made the suggestion to eliminate the extra <p> tags in the table outside the <td> tags. This worked! Laura Zeigen - zeigenl@ohsu.edu Library Web Manager Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, Oregon >>> Laura Zeigen <zeigenl@ohsu.EDU> 05/13/98 01:57pm >>> Greetings, Web4Libers, Our main Web page, <http://www.ohsu.edu/bicc-Library>, does not show up properly when viewed through Internet Explorer 4.0 running on a Macintosh: it loses the entire middle column of a three-column, three-row table, and loses the top two cells for the last column. I have tested this with the following, all of which showed the page properly: 1. Internet Explorer 4.0 on Windows95 2. Internet Explorer 3.0 on Macintosh 3. Internet Explorer 3.0 on Windows95 I also checked Internet Explorer 4.0 on the Macintosh after I had stripped a bunch of codes away (at <http://www.ohsu.edu/bicc-Librayr/test/980512library.htm>). This still yielded the same problem. We installed IE4.0 on several different Macintoshes from an Office98 CD, each with the same result. Note: I wanted to rule out our copy of IE4.0 from the CD, so I tried to download a "fresh" copy of IE4.0 for the Mac from the Microsoft site numerous times, and received a data error each time. Is there a known bug for Internet Explorer 4.0 with Macintosh? I am not using any non-standard tags that I am aware of. Thank you, in advance, to any of you who take a look at this. Laura Zeigen - zeigenl@ohsu.edu Library Web Manager Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, Oregon From dennis at dati.com Wed May 13 19:00:50 1998 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: Problem saving Word files/Possible virus? References: <s5595fce.028@email.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <355A2622.5B03@dati.com> Mary Bush wrote: > > Has anyone encountered a virus infecting Word that inhibits saving files = > and responds with "permission denied" ? =20 > I have tried "save", "save as", opening a new file and then trying to = > "insert" the file and I still get one of 3 error messages- > "permission denied" > "disk may be full or write protected" > "directory or file cannot be created". > Actually, the error message started with "permission denied" and has now = > gone into the other 2 varieties. > I have plenty of disk space, this happens no matter how many programs are = > open at one time, and the file (s) are not write protected. > I don't believe this is a virus. I've seen this problem a number of times with Word 97; not sure about 6.0. It's one of Bill's undocumented features. Word/Office 97 has a service pack that addressed this (I think), along with about a zillion other problems. You might peruse Microsoft's knowledgebase for a pack for 6.0. Trying saving the file somewhere else on the network. If you can't save the file anywhere from Word, paste it into a different application, like notepad, and save it from there; close Word; restart Word; retrieve file; save. If the problem persists; reboot the station; try again. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc./CD Solutions Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 mailto:dennis@dati.com From cameron at loyno.edu Wed May 13 22:42:26 1998 From: cameron at loyno.edu (Robert Cameron) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:25 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <001a01bd7eb1$2cb82a20$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980513214226.0069ca54@loyno.edu> >Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS >offers, I invite attempts to duplicate >http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. >tdowling@ohiolink.edu Just in case you're any slower than I am, Mr. Dowling's well-made point is actually at: http://gold.ohiolink.edu/tdowling/caucus-race.html From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu May 14 08:20:47 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <001a01bd7eb1$2cb82a20$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <000201bd7f32$b999f910$711e99c0@maroon.ohiolink.edu> > Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS > offers, I invite attempts to duplicate > http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. > D'uhh, that would be http://gold.ohiolink.edu/tdowling/caucus-race.html Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From swen at fgcu.edu Thu May 14 08:57:12 1998 From: swen at fgcu.edu (Wen, Shixing) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041BCF@FGCU-TARPON> CSS looks too complicated to present the zigzag with diminishing font size. The html <pre> </pre> tag pair used in conjunction with a text or word document can do the same trick, and it is much simpler to write. Shixing Wen Florida Gulf Coast University > ---------- > From: Robert Cameron > Reply To: cameron@loyno.edu > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: CSS2 and Core Styles > > >Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS > >offers, I invite attempts to duplicate > >http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. > > >tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > Just in case you're any slower than I am, Mr. Dowling's well-made point is > actually at: > > http://gold.ohiolink.edu/tdowling/caucus-race.html > > From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Thu May 14 08:57:29 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: WebNet Journal: Announcement & Call for Participation Message-ID: <v02110110b1809699ba03@[203.55.117.184]> At 9:20 PM 1998/05/12, Assoc Advancement Computers Education <aace@curry.edschool.virg wrote: >The WebNet Journal is a new quarterly print magazine focusing on WWW, ^^^^^ Tsk.. By the time you read it the technology will have moved on. This is one of the growing number of fields where the print journal is a waste of good trees and quite likely, time. Tony __________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone +61 4-1242-0397 or in Australia 041 242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From pkt at ITS.NLC-BNC.CA Thu May 14 12:00:00 1998 From: pkt at ITS.NLC-BNC.CA (Tozer Paula) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Evaluating Web server usage with Analog Message-ID: <355B1539@its.nlc-bnc.ca> We currently use Analog logfile analyser to measure usage on our Unix-based web server and are hoping to produce reports (graphical) from the Analog output that are appropriate for distribution to non-technical staff and managers. I would like to know if other Analog users have any tricks for producing an attractive graphical output output from Analog. Any suggestions are much appreciated. Paula Tozer Information Technology Services National Library of Canada paula.tozer@nlc-bnc.ca From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Thu May 14 09:20:33 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <v02110113b1809c9a2341@[203.55.117.184]> At 7:55 AM 1998/05/13, Bill Drew wrote: >Maybe I'm a little slow but I really don't understand what is to be >gained from style sheets. I don't see the real difference between such >things as <b></b> or <strong></strong> when I get exactly the same >result. The big difference is that a change in a style sheet can affect thousands of pages. Changing tags just affects one. Its like using styles in a good word processing software like AppleWorks. It saves you time and effort and appeals to the lazy in me. Tony ____________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone +61 4-1242-0397 or in Australia 041 242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Thu May 14 09:20:45 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <v02110114b1809eb4a1d6@[203.55.117.184]> At 3:20 PM 1998/05/13, Thomas Dowling wrote: >Of course, the punchline is that if my page cannot function without the >specific layout I suggest, or if I'm unable to give up that degree of >control over my pages' appearance, then what I'm doing isn't Web >authorship (at least, not with HTML). And as long as the reader also has control over the appearance. There are fonts I don't like, colors I don't want and small type sizes I want to enlarge. It is no longer the publisher's perogative to force their taste upon the reader. Tony ____________________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Phone +61 4-1242-0397 or in Australia 041 242-0397 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra, ACT 2601 Convenor of the link network policy list link@www.anu.edu.au From mfriley at erols.com Thu May 14 09:22:52 1998 From: mfriley at erols.com (Margaret Dikel) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? In-Reply-To: <3559F9CE.91891DB4@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980514092252.006f1ac8@pop.access.digex.net> At 02:16 PM 05/13/1998 -0700, Wilfred Drew wrote: >I am actually looking for a document that lists the >guidelines or requirements much in the way that DOJ's ADA >wesite has a document clearly telling you how to stripe a >parking lot for handicapped spaces. >There are many sites with conflicting "standards" for >improving access to the web by the so-called disabled or >handicapped. Clearly we need a concise set of standards from >the feds. I don't think you'll find one, at least not until a court case happens. That's how the standards are being established in cases where we don't have specific "hardware" like cars and wheelchairs which have hard and fast needs. And having done some work with DOL, I can tell you that asking the Feds to create the standard will only make the problem worse. It's better to ask an organization that deals with this issue to create the standard and get the Feds to implement it. Margaret Margaret Dikel, MSLIS 11218 Ashley Dr. The Riley Guide Rockville, MD 20852 www.dbm.com/jobguide 301-984-4229 mfriley@erols.com 301-984-6390 FAX Margaret_Riley@dbm.com From TKnight at smtp-gw.lsuc2.lsuc.on.ca Thu May 14 09:31:35 1998 From: TKnight at smtp-gw.lsuc2.lsuc.on.ca (Tim Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <s55aba0f.097@smtp-gw.lsuc2.lsuc.on.ca> Unfortunately, my Netscape 2.01 on my trusty 486 at the office only reads the plain HTML on a grey background. So although I appreciate Mr. Dowling's and Mr. Lott's excellent comments, and understand the advantages that style sheets offer, there is still a compatability issue here, isn't there? On the other hand, I guess these results fall into what Roy Tennant would consider as "failing gracefully". Tim Knight tknight@lsuc.on.ca P.S. Some day soon I'm going to get a <strong>real</strong> computer. >>> Robert Cameron <cameron@loyno.edu> 05/13/98 10:47pm >>> >Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS >offers, I invite attempts to duplicate >http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. >tdowling@ohiolink.edu Just in case you're any slower than I am, Mr. Dowling's well-made point is actually at: http://gold.ohiolink.edu/tdowling/caucus-race.html From majola at jps.net Fri May 15 11:37:27 1998 From: majola at jps.net (majola) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages? References: <199805131941.OAA14242@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: <355C6137.A942A97@jps.net> Dear Prentiss, Thank you for your webpage! I feel like announcing to all the listserv about the wonderful comprehensive Webpage construction Links you so generously share--saving eons of time. I have visited many of these sites, but you have me beat by miles! Hope you don't mins if I forward your URL to a library support staff Listserv to which I belong, It will be so helpful to those on the list constructing pages for their libraries and for personal use! --Marcia @ Tukwila LTA Prentiss Riddle wrote: > > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:26:54 -0700 > > From: Wilfred Drew <drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU> > > Subject: Re: ADA guidelines for webpages? > > > > Thanks for all of the suggestions for links to sites that > > have information about amking sites accessable. I guess > > what I am after is the actual ADA policy and official > > recommendations. I am already doing most of the things > > suggested by the various sites. Need the official word on > > the subject. > > I've been on the trail of the same thing, and it seems to be an elusive > beast. > > An announcement of an ACRL/NEC conference entitled "Widening the Door: > Access to Web-Based Resources for Users with Disabilities" last April > mentioned "a recent Department of Justice ruling" on ADA and web > design. It took some effort to find anyone associated with the > conference who could give us a citation, but eventually they referred > us to: > > National Disability Law Reporter, vol. 10, issue 6, 9/11/97 (?) > > The NDLR contained a short article which read: > > "More and more businesses are using Internet web pages as a > marketing tool. To what extent does the ADA require such pages > to be acessible to people visual impairments? In response to > an inquiry from a United States senator, the Justice Department > advised that ADA requirements do apply to Internet web pages > Entities subject to Title II or III of the statute must provide > effective communication, the agency said, regardless of whether > they generally communicate via print, audio or computerized > media such as the Internet. If a covered entity uses the > Internet to communicate regarding its programs, goods, or > services, then those communications should be offered through > accessible means. One way to do so is to provide web page > information in text format that is accessible to screen reading > devices that are used by people with visual impairments. > Another acceptable option, according to the Justice Department, > is to make known, in a screen-readable format on the web page, > the availability of other accessible formats such as Braille or > large print." > > I haven't seen the full NDLR ssue myself; apparently there's a more > complete (?) version available for a fee. > > But exactly what the DOJ said and whether it represented a mandate on > web design is still unclear to me. I'm in the same boat as you -- I > believe I'm doing the right thing already, and wish it were a bit easier > to find out whether there's a letter of the law I should be adhering to > as well. > > -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu > -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle > -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu May 14 10:19:01 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Free e-mail Message-ID: <355AFD55.3DA5A622@morrisville.edu> Are there any free e-mail services that use the IMAP protocols instead or in addition to PopMail? Yahoo uses PopMail for what it calls access to external servers. I use IMAP becaue it allows me to access my e-mail from several different machines in our library. It would be nice to have that access via any webbrowser. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From nathan at apl.acsc.net Thu May 14 12:45:19 1998 From: nathan at apl.acsc.net (Nathan Schwartz) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: remove sound Message-ID: <000601bd7f57$ae317100$646410ac@ariel.acsc.net> Hi I added this sound pack and now I want to remove it, but how??? http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ie40/download/rtw/x86/en/download/addon95.htm Internet Explorer Sound Pack 9 KB / < 1 min Already Installed This add-on pack includes additional sounds to enjoy with Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0. Thank You Nathan From mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 14 13:04:52 1998 From: mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us (Mary Bush) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Problem saving Word files Message-ID: <s55ac1cb.067@email.mesd.k12.or.us> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question! The problem is a bug in certain versions of Word, and not a virus after all. Unfortunately, I can't tell if that's good news or bad! Mary From msauers at bcr.org Thu May 14 13:20:37 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <01bd7f5c$9ca63920$50912dc7@bcr.org.bcr.org> Right now I teach two classes in HTML and have most of the students begging for a third. I plan on offering a third class eventually which would cover CSS. Unfortunately it doesn't look like I do it until out next calendar session which starts in Feb. 1999. The reason being is that most libraries are still using 3.x browsers which don't support CSS at all. Those that do have 4.x browsers, most have Netscape and it doesn't fully support CSS. I'm waiting for the 5.x browsers before teaching CSS. ----------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ "Never underestimate the Internet. Manipulate it. Respect it. But don't try to dominate it." -Jerry Yang (Yahoo! Founder) Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ----------------------------------------------------- From swen at fgcu.edu Thu May 14 13:35:14 1998 From: swen at fgcu.edu (Wen, Shixing) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041BD7@FGCU-TARPON> Has anyone tried to print that zigzag page? I tried but got 5 blank pages with some gibberish stuff on page 5. Is it the problem of CSS or the web browser? I'm using Netscape 4.04. Shixing Wen Florida Gulf Coast University > ---------- > From: Thomas Dowling > Reply To: tdowling@ohiolink.edu > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:05 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: CSS2 and Core Styles > > > Regarding suggestions that there are HTML tags to do much of what CSS > > offers, I invite attempts to duplicate > > http://gold/tdowling/caucus-race.html in HTML without CSS. > > > > D'uhh, that would be http://gold.ohiolink.edu/tdowling/caucus-race.html > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > From pmatthew at gettysburg.edu Thu May 14 13:57:08 1998 From: pmatthew at gettysburg.edu (Pam Matthews) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: ADA guidelines for webpages Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980514135708.00688828@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> Interesting side note....the latest issue of Freepint <http://www.freepint.co.uk/issues/140598.htm> has an article by a deaf and blind person who regularly uses the Web. Very interesting and of course he very much knows of what he speaks! ____________________________ Pam Matthews Acquisitions Librarian Gettysburg College Musselman Library 300 N. Washington St. Gettysburg, PA 17325 717-337-7007 (phone) 717-337-6666 (fax) pmatthew@gettysburg.edu From LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU Thu May 14 15:22:34 1998 From: LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU (DEANNE LUCK) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: statistics/Javascript vs. ActiveX vs. ? Message-ID: <01IX0WTJDE0200KUE2@APSU01.APSU.EDU> Hello, We are preparing for a major upgrade to our public access PCs this summer, and I hope all you smart and knowledgable people can help me with a few questions. First, the situation: We will be running WinNT and networking to an NT server. We want to use a web page for our "menu" and use Internet Explorer (modified with the IE admin kit) as our browser. Our web server is MS IIS on an NT server. My first question regards use statistics. What programs are there that will measure what is being used on our PACs and for how long? The only program I've found that might do this is SofTrack. Surely there are others. If anyone else has ideas on performance measures for electronic resources I'd really like to hear them. The issue I'm concerned about is that if we set up easy-to-use and informative computer stations, patrons won't have to ask as many reference questions, and statistics will go down. So even though we are providing (presumably) better service to more people, the statistics in the annual report imply that we are providing less service. What other statistics can we collect to offset this impression? My second question concerns going "beyond HTML" on our 'menu' page. Since this is a page that will be used in a controlled environment, I'd like to experiment with some of the more advanced things like Javascript or ActiveX. Given this environment, what is the best language to learn? I haven't used anything more complex than HTML and CSS in the past, but I want to branch out a bit. Thanks, DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu01.apsu.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu May 14 14:31:10 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Free e-mail References: <000801bd7f64$9f5be9a0$bbc932ce@rcl.onramp.net> Message-ID: <355B386E.967487E0@morrisville.edu> Thanks for the pointers about the various free e-mail sites. What I am after is one similar to Yahoo but that uses the IMAP protocol to get to my e-mail here at Morrisville. All that I have seen use the POP protocols. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Do not forward my messages without my explicit permission. -- From Bill.Pawlowsky at pwc.ca Thu May 14 14:56:06 1998 From: Bill.Pawlowsky at pwc.ca (Pawlowsky Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Free e-mail In-Reply-To: from "Bill Drew" at May 14, 98 10:55 am Message-ID: <9805141857.AA04847@library.berkeley.edu> Bill, You may want to take a look at http://www.econ.cbs.dk/vejrum/www-mail.html You will have to run it on your own server but it seems fairly easy to configure and it is free for educational institutions. I hope this helps... Bill ______________________________________________________________________ Bill Pawlowsky Phone: 514-677-9411 x 5027 Senior Information Specialist Fax: 514-647-7797 Library, Pratt & Whitney Canada Inc. E-mail: Bill.Pawlowsky@pwc.ca > > Are there any free e-mail services that use the IMAP protocols instead > or in addition to PopMail? Yahoo uses PopMail for what it calls access > to external servers. I use IMAP becaue it allows me to access my e-mail > from several different machines in our library. It would be nice to > have that access via any webbrowser. > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm > survive. > -- > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu May 14 17:00:35 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Usage statistics for Not Just Cows Message-ID: <355B5B73.161991B9@morrisville.edu> I have been using the free pagecount counter for quite awhile now on my NJC page. Very useful statistics can be generated from it without having to look at access logs. Of the last 16000 accesses(no reloads included), reloads of pages are removed by pagecount when it calculates hits. This is how browser usage breaks down percentage wise: Explorer (all versions): 33% Netscape 4: 24% Netscape 3: 34% Netscape 2: 5% Netscape 1 and others: 5% 72% of my users are on Win95 machines with only 10% using Mac. The rest is divided between Win NT, Win3.X, Linux, SunOS, Unix and unknown systems. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From duda at library.ucsb.edu Thu May 14 21:09:23 1998 From: duda at library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: Issues in Science & Technology Librarianship Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.96.980514180908.8138H-100000@ariz.library.ucsb.edu> The Spring 1998 issue of Issues in Science and Technology Librarianship is now available at http://www.library.ucsb.edu/istl/ The theme of this issue is Using the World Wide Web in Science and Technology Libraries. The articles in this issue are: Taking Local Resources Global: The NCSTRL Experience at UC Berkeley Library by Ann Jensen, University of California, Berkeley Selection Criteria for Web-Based Resources in a Science and Technology Library Collection by Robert B. McGeachin, Texas A&M University Delivering the Goods: Web OPACs and the Expanding Role of the Cataloger by Norm Medeiros, NYU School of Medicine Academic Library WebTeam Management: The Role of Leadership & Authority by Bill Johnson, Texas Tech University Library Precision Among Internet Search Engines: An Earth Sciences Case Study by Lisa Wishard, Pennsylvania State University The National Research Library Alliance: A Federal Consortium Formed to Provide Inter-Agency Access to Scientific Information by Laurie E. Stackpole and Roderick D. Atkinson, Naval Research Laboratory Regular features include Science and Technology Sources on the Internet and Book Reviews. With this issue we also start a new column, "Then and Now," by Daryl Youngman of Kansas State University. This series aims to examine the origins and development of various tools and practices as used in science and technology libraries. =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu May 14 23:19:58 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:27 2005 Subject: SGML and EAD courses at Rare Book School (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980514201909.15195B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> I am forwarding this on behalf of John Buchtel at Book Arts Press <fac-fbap@virginia.edu> . Roy * * * * * BOOKS AT VIRGINIA: RARE BOOK SCHOOL 1998 (RBS): Rare Book School is pleased to announce its schedule of courses for the summer of 1998, 26 five-day non-credit courses of bookish interest to be offered on the grounds of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, 13 July - 7 August. Tuition per course for RBS 1998 Summer Session is $595. Applications may be requested via the contact information at the end of this message. The complete brochure and Expanded Course Descriptions are available at our Web site: <http://poe.acc.virginia.edu/~oldbooks> Subscribers to this list may find the courses listed below to be of particular interest: 27 and 46. INTRODUCTION TO ELECTRONIC TEXTS AND IMAGES. This course will provide a wide-ranging and practical exploration of electronic texts and related technologies. It is aimed primarily (although not exclusively) at scholars keen to develop, use, and publish electronic texts as part of their own textual, research, and pedagogical work, and at librarians planning to develop an etext operation. Drawing on the experience and resources available at UVa's Electronic Text Center, the course will cover the following areas: how to find existing etexts; how to create archival-quality etexts, including digital image facsimiles; the necessity of Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML) for etext development and use; the implications of XML; text analysis software; and the management and use of Web-based SGML text databases. As a focus for our study of etexts, the class will create an electronic version of a printed text, mark its structure with SGML ("TEI") tagging, construct digital images of sample pages and illustrations, produce a hypertext version, design an EAD guide for the materials digitized, and make the whole accessible on the Internet. Applicants need to have some experience with the tagging of HTML documents. In their personal statement, applicants should assess the extent of their present knowledge of the electronic environment, and outline a project of their own to which they hope to apply the skills learned in this course. The course will be offered twice (in Weeks 2 and 4) in anticipation of its usual large number of applications. In your personal statement, please indicate if you can take the course in EITHER of the two time slots in which it is offered (by doing so, you will materially increase your chances of being admitted to the course). Instructor: David Seaman. Offered previously in 94-97. DAVID SEAMAN is the founding director of the nationally-known Electronic Text Center <http:// etext.lib.virginia.edu> and on-line archive at the University of Virginia. He lectures and writes frequently on SGML, the Internet, and the creation and use of electronic texts in the humanities. For further information, see <http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/staff/dms8f.html>. 16 and 37. IMPLEMENTING ENCODED ARCHIVAL DESCRIPTION. This course will provide a practical introduction to the application of the emerging standard Encoded Archival Description (EAD) to the encoding of archive and manuscript library finding aids. The course is aimed primarily at archivists who process and describe collections in finding aids, though it will also be useful to repository administrators contemplating the implementation of EAD, and to technologists working in repositories. The course will cover the following areas: the history of EAD and its theoretical and technological foundations; an introduction to Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML) including discussions of authoring and network publishing tools; a detailed exploration of the structure of EAD; use of software tools to create and publish finding aids; discussion of conversion techniques and methodologies, and templates for creation of new finding aids; and finally, the integration and management of EAD in an archive or library. The class will jointly encode and publish a finding aid that will illustrate a wide variety of essential EAD and SGML concepts. Applicants must have a basic knowledge of archival descriptive practices as well as experience using word-processing software with a graphical user interface. Some experience with the World Wide Web and HTML will aid the learning process. The course will be offered twice. Session I (no. 16: July 13-17) is directed at those who have had no previous formal encounter with EAD. Session II (no. 37: 27-31 July) is directed at those who have already begun working with EAD. In their personal statement, applicants should indicate their relevant archival background, the extent of their previous experience with computers in general, and graphical user interfaces and EAD in particular, and describe their role (present or future) in the implementation of EAD in their home institution. Instructor: Daniel Pitti. Course offered previously in 97. (See the RBS web site for student evaluations.) DANIEL PITTI became Project Director at the University of Virginia's Institute for Advanced Technology in 1997, before which he was Librarian for Advanced Technologies at the University of California, Berkeley. He was the Coordinator of the Encoded Archival Description initiative. * * * * * Posted by John Buchtel on behalf of Rare Book School and the Book Arts Press. Book Arts Press ph: 804/924-8851 114 Alderman Library fax: 804/924-8824 University of Virginia email: biblio@virginia.edu Charlottesville, VA 22903 From biggerj at scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us Fri May 15 09:31:33 1998 From: biggerj at scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Jason Biggers (hidden)) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: Free e-mail In-Reply-To: <355AFD55.3DA5A622@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.980515092809.25058A-100000@scfn> Maybe these fit your bill, they allow you to read YOUR email from any already established account anywhere there's web access. They don't give you an account like Yahoo, Hotmail etc. http://www.netcafeguide.com/mail/ http://emumail.net/ http://mailstart.com/ *********************************************************************** * Jason Mark Biggers, M.L.S. | biggerj@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us * * Electronic Libraries Coordinator | 813-224-8496 * * Webmaster * * Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library System * * http://scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us/thpl/thpl.htm * *********************************************************************** On Thu, 14 May 1998, Bill Drew wrote: > Are there any free e-mail services that use the IMAP protocols instead > or in addition to PopMail? Yahoo uses PopMail for what it calls access > to external servers. I use IMAP becaue it allows me to access my e-mail > from several different machines in our library. It would be nice to > have that access via any webbrowser. > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> > Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> > LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> > Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm > survive. > -- > From macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri May 15 10:18:56 1998 From: macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Greg MacGowan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041BD7@FGCU-TARPON> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980515101856.00919c30@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> At 12:45 PM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone tried to print that zigzag page? I tried but got 5 blank pages >with some gibberish stuff on page 5. Is it the problem of CSS or the web >browser? I'm using Netscape 4.04. I'm using Netscape 4.05, and while I didn't get blank pages, the "intro" text failed to wrap and the stanza was aligned left with only only a slightly curving indentation. At the risk of showing my ignorance, I think I see the value of CSS for large web sites and for text which uses exceptional styles, such as Tom's example. However, I also think that for the vast majority of uses and users, there is NO advantage to be gained by using CSS rather than the default style sheet. I will continue to read about and play with CSS in the event that I can use it in my own work, but I don't see it as quite the panacea that some people would have us believe it is. (BTW, and the same goes for XML! (-: ) -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg S. MacGowan Information Technologies Coordinator (and Webmaster) Brandeis University Libraries Brandeis University Waltham, MA, USA 02254-9110 phone: (781) 736-4690 (W) fax: (781) 736-4719 mailto: macgowan@Brandeis.edu "Doing your best is a lot of effort, so why not do OK and then relax?" -- Rick Cleary From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri May 15 10:56:36 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980515101856.00919c30@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980515074323.27280Q-100000@library.berkeley.edu> On Fri, 15 May 1998, Greg MacGowan wrote: > At the risk of showing my ignorance, I think I see the value of CSS for > large web sites and for text which uses exceptional styles, such as Tom's > example. However, I also think that for the vast majority of uses and > users, there is NO advantage to be gained by using CSS rather than the > default style sheet. I will continue to read about and play with CSS in the > event that I can use it in my own work, but I don't see it as quite the > panacea that some people would have us believe it is. (BTW, and the same > goes for XML! (-: ) When I read this I remembered the time when Gopher was king. Those of us heavily involved with Gopher didn't see the value in marking up text for the Web -- there simply wasn't enough payoff for the labor. That was before Mosaic. All the Web needed to take off was a killer application. Somehow I feel like we are in the same space regarding style sheets. In my opinion, style sheets won't take off until XML does. And XML will take off when the killer application comes along, which could be as simple as XML support in the major Web browsers (which is almost here, by the way, in at least a limited way). So in a nutshell, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: 1) some of you may stay where you are for the forseeable future (believe it or not, there are *still* Gopher sites out there), 2) the majority will eventually climb the learning curve to style sheets and XML because there will be a clear and compelling benefit to be gained. Of the second group, there will be early adopters like Thomas Dowling and others; there will be those who will follow on and take advantage of the templates and tools they develop (my guess is that Greg McGowan falls here since he is already "reading about and playing with" CSS); then there will be those that put off learning the new technology until they can't ignore it anymore. Where you fall is up to you to decide, but if you think that once you learn HMTL it is now ok to stop learning, you're wrong. You're very, very wrong. Roy From LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU Fri May 15 12:37:11 1998 From: LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU (DEANNE LUCK) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: software for a small collection Message-ID: <01IX25973GF600LCNV@APSU01.APSU.EDU> Our counseling center on campus is looking for software to handle circulation of a small collection in that office. This is a windows environment - are there better options than a program like Access? By better I mostly mean easier to set up and use. I was sure this had been discussed before but I couldn't find it in the archives. Thanks, DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu01.apsu.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri May 15 13:34:59 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: Articles on librarians teaching HTML Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980515103302.11772H-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Forwarded by request. Please reply to Alisa Whitt at whitt@spinner.cofc.edu. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alis Whitt <whitt@spinner.cofc.edu> Subject: Articles on librarians teaching HTML This message is being cross-posted to BI-L, Nettrain, and now Web4Lib. I am not a subscriber, so please send any responses directly to me. I am looking for articles (print or electronic) which discuss librarians as HTML teachers. Also of interest would be articles on librarians teaching other "non-library" related technology (i.e., not web searching or evaluating web resources). I'm particularly interested in materials which discuss librarians teaching faculty. I feel certain articles about these topics are published, but they're certainly not easy to locate. Inadequate indexing etc etc. Thanks very much for any pointers you might offer. Alis Whitt whitt@spinner.cofc.edu Library Webmaster College of Charleston, South Carolina From moe1 at cornell.edu Fri May 15 14:27:50 1998 From: moe1 at cornell.edu (moe1@cornell.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: Charismatic library speaker needed Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980515135934.11692A-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu> Folks, Help. I need to recommend a speaker for a plenary session on the fourth day of a week-long seminar on new technologies for teaching and research for humanities graduate students. The date is Thursday, June 11, and that day is dedicated to presenting the state of the art in libraries. Gregory Crane is speaking on Monday and showing the Perseus project; at last year's seminar he was a big hit, combining as he does, scholarly background in the classics, a thorough knowledge of an amazing and extensive Web site, and a lively sense of humor. The focus is on graduate-level research and teaching in universities where a significant number of the grad students are headed for faculty positions in those same kinds of universities around the U.S. I'm looking for someone from the library community who can talk about the new ways we are developing of organizing and searching for scholarly materials, new ways of presenting primary and research resources, and how we're using technology in libraries in exciting ways to enhance teaching and research. Someone who is intimately familiar with graduate research in the humanities, knows the new tools, is technically saavy, and excited about the future--where we're going in academic libraries. I'd really like to get someone who is as excited about libraries as Gregory is about Perseus. The seminar is at Princeton, so someone from the east coast would probably be better, but I'd really like any and all suggestions. Please send your suggestions directly to me and thanks in advance. If you'd like more information about the seminar, last year's Web site is at http://www.library.cornell.edu/okuref/nttr/nttr2.html . The Web site for this year's seminar is just being assembled. Michael Engle Electronic Text Coordinator Cornell University Library moe1@cornell.edu From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Fri May 15 10:35:50 1998 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <199805151826.OAA00026@rcls.org> Roy Tennant wrote: [snip] > So in a nutshell, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: 1) some of > you may stay where you are for the forseeable future (believe it or > not, there are *still* Gopher sites out there), 2) the majority will > eventually climb the learning curve to style sheets and XML because > there will be a clear and compelling benefit to be gained. Of the > second group, there will be early adopters like Thomas Dowling and > others; there will be those who will follow on and take advantage of > the templates and tools they develop (my guess is that Greg McGowan > falls here since he is already "reading about and playing with" > CSS); then there will be those that put off learning the new > technology until they can't ignore it anymore. Where you fall is up > to you to decide, but if you think that once you learn HMTL it is > now ok to stop learning, you're wrong. You're very, very wrong. [snip] I'd like to add that HTML has been a tremendously democratic standard (Oh, OK, a near standard) in that it has been relatively easy for neophytes, children, and the programming-disadvantaged (like myself) to learn. How steep will the learning curve be for CSS and XML? How steep has it been for Java and javascript? What would the web look like today if building a site required extensive programming experience? One answer--it'd look a lot like TV. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri May 15 14:53:23 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:28 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles References: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980515074323.27280Q-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <355C8F23.CA3B96B0@morrisville.edu> I agree entirely with Roy. I am currently investigating CSS for use in my own personal webspace and eventually in my library and college web sites. I have enjoyed this conversation and definitely feel now that CSS is worth doing. I am also teaching myself JavaSCripts since I am frustrated with finding any of other than minimal value. I have actually written a couple of simple ones from scrathc and have modified some others that are used our college web. Roy Tennant wrote: > Where you > fall is up to you to decide, but if you think that once you learn HMTL it > is now ok to stop learning, you're wrong. You're very, very wrong. > Roy -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri May 15 15:36:00 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Conter used in Not Just Cows References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980514224128.32291A-100000@libby.tcnet.org> Message-ID: <355C9920.BBBD056@morrisville.edu> I am using the free counter avialable at: <http://pagecount.com/> They place a small banner addin the counter graphic. There are different counters for different communities (targeted advertising). I put mine at the bottom of my NJC page. Very non-intrusive but very useful information without having to use access logs. This shows that counters can be useful. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/> Not Just Cows: <http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/> LibraryLinks: <http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/> Support the North East Dairy Compact. Help the family dairy farm survive. -- From Peter.J.Gilbert at lawrence.edu Fri May 15 17:27:55 1998 From: Peter.J.Gilbert at lawrence.edu (Pete) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <01IX2FQI5QGC000EGM@LUCIA.LIB.LAWRENCE.EDU> Hi, >From a recent message to Web4Lib: >Has anyone tried to print that zigzag page? I tried but got 5 blank pages >with some gibberish stuff on page 5. Is it the problem of CSS or the web >browser? I'm using Netscape 4.04. I don't necessarily want to prolong this discussion, but this printing problem sounds like the same problem that has been driving me crazy for the last week: printing a page that uses CSS "classes." We wrote a short (one screen) page using a CSS class: <!-- .lubody { font-family: Times New Roman, Times, serif; font-size: 11pt; line- height: 16pt; color: #000000; } --> and it looks great on the screen but printing from the machine on my desk (Win95, Netscape 4.05, printing to a HP laserjet), I get 10 or 11 pages either blank or with one line of text. The page prints fine from my desk if I use IE4 -- or if I remove the stylesheet. My first guess was that it was a buggy NS implementation of CSS classes. But the page prints fine from our public machines (win95, NS4.04, printing to the same HP). Oh well. Guess I'm just venting -- but if you know what's going on here, I'd be happy to hear. Best, Pete peter.j.gilbert@lawrence.edu reference.librarian From jmorris at dtx.net Fri May 15 16:43:03 1998 From: jmorris at dtx.net (John M. Morris) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Conter used in Not Just Cows In-Reply-To: <355C9920.BBBD056@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980515153331.19334A-100000@tower.beau.lib.la.us> On Fri, 15 May 1998, Bill Drew wrote: > They place a small banner addin the counter graphic. There are > different counters for different communities (targeted advertising). I > put mine at the bottom of my NJC page. Very non-intrusive but very > useful information without having to use access logs. This shows that > counters can be useful. I don't see the usefullness of an outside counter personally, they are chronically inaccurate, slow, and have an ad. (taking off my library webmeister hat: I ain't giving some clown a free banner ad in exchange for something as trivial as a counter! They want an ad they can bring their checkbook. Ok, so call be a mercenary. <grin>) count.cgi is free, easy to install and runs on any platform that a sensible person would use for a webserver. As for access stats, that is why they call it the ACCESS LOG. :) Grind em into whatever sort of shape you want with a few trivial Perl scripts and you get exactly what you want. If you want graphics, write out ascii delimited text and import it into GNUPlot, Applix or Lotus-123. John M. http://www.dtx.net/~jmorris This post is 100% M$ Free! Geek code 3.0:GCS C+++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ W+ N++ w--- Y+ 5+++ R tv- b++ e* r% =========================================================================== The views expressed certainly don't reflect those of CCC Internet Services. From jmorris at dtx.net Fri May 15 17:07:11 1998 From: jmorris at dtx.net (John M. Morris) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980515074323.27280Q-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980515154320.19334B-100000@tower.beau.lib.la.us> On Fri, 15 May 1998, Roy Tennant wrote: > When I read this I remembered the time when Gopher was king. Those of us > heavily involved with Gopher didn't see the value in marking up text for > the Web -- there simply wasn't enough payoff for the labor. That was > before Mosaic. Well the second Mosiac hit enyone could see it's advantages over any other existing format: Graphics mixed with hypertext in a platform neutral way. Where is the nice bullet summary of CSS and XML's promised advantages? I keep reading about both of them but still have not see it. I like CSS because it degrades gracefully and might encourage a few people to actually return to coding HTML as a markup language and leave the appearance to style sheets. But most people are expecting CSS to make HTML into PDF and they are going to be disillusioned. (Why they don't just use pdf today and stop experimenting is a different question, one best left to medical science.) And darned if I know what XML is even claimed to offer. All I ever see is blue sky about 'rich interactive applications' which really sound like a Ziff Davis way of saying Applications. And JAVA can do that today, and is not likely to be supplanted anytime soon by something that is still basically in the taking stage of design. > learning the new technology until they can't ignore it anymore. Where you > fall is up to you to decide, but if you think that once you learn HMTL it > is now ok to stop learning, you're wrong. You're very, very wrong. Hey I don't mind playing with new toys, I just don't like being a lemming following the latest craze. For every Mosiac there are several crazes like Push technology, ActiveX, Web/TV integration (fill in your favorite dead/dying technology here) and pundits pontificating that they are the next BIG thing and that ignoring it will make you a fossil. I especially resist when they are as dangerous as XML. It has the potential to cause far more havok than even these latest zany copyright laws working their way through Congress. John M. http://www.dtx.net/~jmorris This post is 100% M$ Free! Geek code 3.0:GCS C+++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ W+ N++ w--- Y+ 5+++ R tv- b++ e* r% =========================================================================== The views expressed certainly don't reflect those of CCC Internet Services. From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri May 15 17:53:19 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: CSS In-Reply-To: <C191B8BF7B70D011B75700805FFE18B402041BCF@FGCU-TARPON> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980515175319.00a327e0@panix.com> So, one question may be, how can we produce stylesheets with maximum accuracy, ease and flexibility? To get very specific, can anyone provide testimony for Homesite's ability to produce CSS? Any other editors? I would like to get a decent hybrid editor, and I was unimpressed with the latest version of Hot Dog. To my complete shame, right now I'm using Word, which produces hideously wrong webpages, but I've been stalling while I waited to hear more about editors people are using these days. It seems the pool of available editors hasn't changed much in the last few months, though. Btw, re CSS and accessibility... the guidelines from W3C are interesting; I read them as, use style sheets... but don't make your pages CSS dependent. According to the document, the main argument for designing pages so they are not totally CSS dependent is for downward compatibility. CSS appear to offer some very appealing features for enhancing accessibility. see http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/WD-WAI-PAGEAUTH-0203#Style Sheets _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From warwell1 at ibm.net Fri May 15 21:45:17 1998 From: warwell1 at ibm.net (Kearney, Kevin & Patty) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980515154320.19334B-100000@tower.beau.lib.la.us> Message-ID: <355CEFAD.4233@ibm.net> In Roy's defense, the point he was trying to make (at least as I understood it) was that it is to everyone's advantage to be aware of, and gather some knowledge of, these emerging platforms. There's no telling what will dominate in a few years or even months. I certainly see the logic of John's point about the "latest craze". New does not necessarily equate to improved. As a fresh, young(?), naive - and unemployed - "Information Studies" graduate hoping to find a career in the digital information field, I do not possess enough practical knowledge of CSS, XML, or anything else to pass judgement, but I don't think it would be wise to ignore any of them. Patty Kearney > > > learning the new technology until they can't ignore it anymore. Where you > > fall is up to you to decide, but if you think that once you learn HMTL it > > is now ok to stop learning, you're wrong. You're very, very wrong. > > Hey I don't mind playing with new toys, I just don't like being a lemming > following the latest craze. For every Mosiac there are several crazes > like Push technology, ActiveX, Web/TV integration (fill in your favorite > dead/dying technology here) and pundits pontificating that they are the > next BIG thing and that ignoring it will make you a fossil. > From danh at acbc.com Fri May 15 19:26:40 1998 From: danh at acbc.com (Daniel P. Halloran) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Job Posting Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980515162639.006a7d20@199.2.122.1> Manager - Information Technology 1) The main goal of the Manager - Information Technology it to provide vision and guidance on the company's use of technology to improve service to its customers and to improve the efficiency of the company's operations. This includes: computer hardware computer software * third-party programs * company developed programs computer operating systems networking & communications issues 2) The Manager - Information Technology will work with customers to understand their needs and advise the company on ways of meeting those needs. This can include visits to libraries, attending trade shows, phone consultations, professional reading, and contact with other professionals. Some of this work will be looking for new and innovative ways of responding to library needs, ways of enhancing current services, ways of meeting special needs of customers, and helping libraries improve their productivity by using the services of Academic Book Center. 3) The Manager - Information Technology will work with company employees to determine their technology needs and propose appropriate solutions. This can include new programs, new hardware, debugging existing programs, adding new features, and education and training on existing hardware and software. The goal is to provide tools for operations staff to efficiently and productively provide services to our customers. We strive to continually improve the speed and quality of our services and to reduce the cost of providing those services. 4) The Manager - Information Technology will also work with publishers, ILS vendors, bibliographic utilities, strategic partners and others to further the goals of improving efficiency and quality of service to our customers. 5) The Manager - Information Technology is responsible for creating the strategy needed to implement the items discussed above. In addition the Manager - Information Technology will manage the implementation of those strategies including: Recruiting and managing programming staff Creating design specifications Managing and participating in the writing of computer code Managing the installation and training of new programs Working with sales and marketing to introduce new features and services to customers 6) Required Achievements Demonstrated success in computer system project management related to libraries or bookselling. Minimum of 5 years progressive development in systems innovation and staff management. Proven ability to represent the company in a professional manner within the library and bookselling community Minimum of 7 years experience programming and designing large relational databases Collaborative management style 7) Desired Characteristics Experience with Unix systems administration Experience programming with the Progress database management software Degree in Library Science Team oriented Organized Methodical Entrepreneurial Intrigued by the use of technology to solve our industry's problems 8) Compensation will consist of a salary commensurate with experience, participation in corporate bonus program, participation in health insurance program, 401K program with corporate matching, and annual vacation. Help with relocation expenses will be available. 9) To apply send a resume, your salary history or salary requirements, and a letter discussing our "Required Achievements" and "Desired Characteristics" to: Daniel P. Halloran, President Academic Book Center, Inc. 5600 NE Hassalo St. Portland, OR 97213 danh@acbc.com =============================== Daniel P. Halloran, President Academic Book Center danh@acbc.com http://www.acbc.com 1-503-287-6657, ext. 206 FAX: 1-503-284-8859 =============================== From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri May 15 21:26:25 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: CSS2 and Core Styles Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980515212625.00b30720@panix.com> <author=jerry_kuntz>I'd like to add that HTML has been a tremendously democratic standard (Oh, OK, a near standard) in that it has been relatively easy for neophytes, children, and the programming-disadvantaged (like myself) to learn. How steep will the learning curve be for CSS and XML? How steep has it been for Java and javascript? What would the web look like today if building a site required extensive programming experience? One answer--it'd look a lot like TV.</author=jerry_kuntz> I think it is VERY steep. But I think the tools will be there, and though the smart librarians will have basic introductions to the elements of HTML, it will be possible to write for the networked environment without knowing every code you're using. If Front Page could produce high-quality, valid HTML, I'd use it. I'm not proud. I don't bake my own bread and I don't write my own word-processing programs. After all, there was a time when the sine qua non of Internet knowledge was understanding how to configure your Unix-based ftp client. Today many people who are computer-literate by current standards (and may even be called "gurus" by their peers) would be baffled by an mget command (let alone that tiny charmer I always liked that had hash marks appear during download so you could monitor the progress). And you know what? The world is a better place because we can devote our working memory to important stuff (grocery lists, the top ten paperback bestsellers, where you hid the recovery disks for the public computers, etc...). I recently had the opportunity to be tutored in the basics of XML by someone with great intelligence (and patience), and I can see it is the future. pdf ain't the future any more than receptacles for buggy whips in cars were the future 80 years ago. It's just a booklike mimic. What XML does is propose that the info trash barge we affectionately call the Internet can be organized, at least in parts, into meaningful structured components. I will not be an XML guru any more than I am a MARC record guru, but as with traditional cataloging I will also be able to rely on the expertise of a select few to reap the benefits. And if I *do* learn a little more than the average bear--and Jerry, trust me, if I can learn a little about XML over the course of two days, you should be able to learn a lot in an hour or two--then I'll be one of the folks who can use XML in new, creative, librarianesque ways. Don't be scared of the future. You will not be left behind. That's just a prediction, of course, but I don't see the Internet turning into cable TV, and I do see us continuing to play a role in its development. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From bary at qadas.com Fri May 15 20:42:29 1998 From: bary at qadas.com (P or K Bary) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Freezing PCs Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980515184229.006b1680@qadas.com> We are migrating from GEAC to Innovative this week, and are replacing all of our Wyse terminals, and now telnetting into a remote server. I've gotten occasional complaints about PCs freezing up. When this happens, the users are unable to power down the PCs from the power button. I've seen it myself: The power button stops working, and we have to cut the power from the surge protector. Weird. We have new Gateways, and a couple of new Dells, and it's happened on both brands, and differenct PCs. All are running Windows 95 B. I'm beginning to believe that this is not a problem, but a *feature*. But a feature of what? Windows 95 B? Any ideas? Karen Bary Arapahoe Library District Littleton, Colorado ksbary@csn.net or bary@qadas.com From bobicki at amigo.net Fri May 15 21:34:06 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Style Sheets Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980515193406.007e6100@pop.amigo.net> Hi all !! I have been watching this style sheet discussion and I must admit I am more than a little perplexed by it. As principal author of Librowse, I have been swamped by requests from Libraries all over the world for support which I and my co-author Bob Cherry have been only too happy to provide. In addition, I provide technical support and workshops to Libraries all over Southern Colorado. What has me confused here is : 1) Libraries should be providing a conduit to information that is as far reaching as possible. Content should be the primary objective. 2) Style is nice ... but using this technique shuts out a VERY large percentage of browsers today. Is this really what you want to do ?? I am a webmaster and just presented workshops for Libraries on web page design. I consulted several other webmasters during the development of this workshop and we all agreed that stylesheets were a no no. It's exclusion of the majority of browsers was not in the best interest of the Library community today. Next year might be a whole different story ... Content is what brings visitors to begin with .... it is what brings them back. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ Technical Consultant - Colorado Southwest Regional Library System Director of Engineering - Airwavz National Broadcasting Communications Consultant - Amigo.net Chief Engineer - Unlimited Electronics From cherry at banjo.com Fri May 15 21:45:30 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Response to comments Message-ID: <199805160146.CAA06936@delta.info.net> I've been reading the current commentary and have been somewhat interested in the dialog on CSS (Style Sheets), ADA guidelines, site management use of frames and broken links. I'd like to share some of my experiences with you so hopefully you'll benefit from my learning -- most of which was by making mistakes:) Your web pages should be fun and fresh and entertaining. Guidelines and such actually limit you and do not allow for creative expression. One soon realizes that they cannot control all of the users and browsers in the market. Everything from Lynx (totally text based) to the latest MSIE4 and Netscape Communicator 4.x, must be capable of reading your web site or you tune out readers. The basic rule of any web site is to keep it simple if you want everybody to be able to view or read it. Plug ins, special features etc. always eliminate somebody on the outside from seeing the inside. Style Sheets -- Drop them like a hot rock. There is a better and more universal approach which achieves the same thing and will work with any browser. The concept of template files. These are basic blank HTML files which you insert your content into. They have already defined the background, horizontal graphics, fonts, etc. These will allow you to quickly add pages and maintain a consistent look and feel to every page on your site. It makes your site have a unique style and identity. I use these on my web site and its clearly evident as I have over 500 HTML pages and they all have a consistent look and feel. It also speeds up the addition of new pages. You need a set of graphics you'll always use and maybe even a background image. Make sure you always put in alternate text for every graphic. As for <CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <STRONG> etc., not every browser treats these uniquely and some don't do anything with these tags. They will become more predominant in the future but not right now. Check out http://www.htmlgoodies.com/html_ref.html for what to use and not use. This is an excellent reference for HTML. One last comment, if you're going to teach CSS and think that you want to support it, teach it now so that content creators will be ready for it when its reach constitutes a significant market share. Don't try and play catchup. ADA Guidelines -- Set your own standards! Web sites which are unique and have a fresh appearance will keep your patrons coming back. If they all look the same and act the same, they become boring. Every book, article, and document on successful web sites recommends avoiding global guidelines. If libraries come up with standards and guidelines for web sites, they should consider that each library may have a unique target audience (legal, medical, public, K12, educational, etc.) and their pages should reflect their purpose. For accessibility, use Bobby as was mentioned earlier. This is a great package and it isn't that difficult to make your pages compliant. One area I've had a great deal of difficulty with is forms and CGI. Packages like Bobby don't work with these very well. Fonts (Funky Old Nasty Things) -- Try and stick with browser standard fonts. If the reader doesn't have the specific font on their system, it won't display properly. HTML is a markup language and not a Page Description Language like Postscript, Interpress, etc. The user may define the look and feel of their environment and if they are visually impaired, your changing of fonts may make your pages hard to read. I believe its OK to change font sizes but try and avoid changing the family (font name) of the font. If you want expression, make and create a graphic instead (remember the alternate text) and use that. This way, the reader doesn't require the font on their system and you don't need to include it with the document page. Broken Links and Roving Sites -- These are a royal pain for any web site which has links to other sites. It also teaches you that if you want to be found, don't move :) Often a site keeps moving or changing its URL so that one needs to constantly spend time and resources updating links. It isn't your fault but rather, the fault of those who keep changing. I have a rule on my site that if a site moves twice in one year, its history as far as links are concerned. I drop quite a few every month but, I also add new ones. This is both beneficial and detrimental but, it helps keep the site accurate and less of a site management nightmare. Alas, managing broken links is made easy by various site management aids such as LinkBot, Crystal Site Updater, HoTMetaL Pro's site manager and many others. These all basically do the same thing... They verify your links directly through the web. I highly recommend them! Finding Your Site and Search Engines -- A whole document could be written about this subject but alas, there are basically three things to consider for making your web site aware to search engines. 1. Register them. Use tools like www.submit-it.com and the home page "add URL" function on the main search engines. 2. Use META tags to define your content. 3. Maintain two text files in your root directory: a. robots.txt b. site.idx These will all aid your site and will automatically manage your updates for you. A real treat. Note that CGI pages are never indexed however ISINDEX pages can be. Something to consider when planning your site. The web has all the info you need on these and some is referenced by the above URL. Page Layout -- Although High Resolution displays are used almost universally today, most folks still run them at low resolution. Thus, every web page should be viewable on a 640 x 480 display. Dumb, yes but, its a necessity. So, what you want to do is define some site limits. Tables and graphics (horizontal lines, etc.) should be limited to 580 pixels wide. I use 540 so things look centered nicely but 580 is a good hard limit. Limit the vertical to 360 pixels since browsers may have rows of menu buttons on them. If it looks nice there, any size will look nice if its planned out properly. Frames -- I had them and spent so much time reading complaint mail that they are now history. I haven't had frames on my pages in over 2 years. I don't miss them nor their management and I find that I can do everything I want without them. I prefer script (vbscript, javascript, etc.) or CGI which is mostly written in Perl. Invisible Tables are a great alternative also and allow a lot of flexibility in placing objects on your pages. Try it as they are very low overhead and give a lot of flexibility. Web Activity and Usage -- Analog is a good program and is easily customized. You may make it look unique very easily so that it matches your site's look and feel. Just a few minor edits to the code and maybe changing the graphics will do it. Track only what's important to you. You don't have to graph everything. On a site like mine that gets 30,000 hits a day, you need to conserve CPU time in generating these. Keep them around monthly, quarterly or annually. Print them out before you clear your logs. There are other tools out there which are also great at trending reports and usage statistics. WebTrends and similar packages can help you out but they aren't free like Analog. I use different tools for different jobs but, you'll soon find out what you need and don't need. Play with it and don't be afraid to change things. Final Comments -- HTML Editor Packages. There are many of these and I've found that SoftQuad's HoTMetaL Pro 4 is a good buy. It includes Bobby, Graphics tools, HTML Validation, the ability to import various file formats and fully supports templates. There are a lot of other perks with it also. FrontPage is also common but it doesn't generate as good of HTML as does HoTMetaL Pro. Some editors fill up your pages with   characters and garbage; don't end list items </LI> or paragraphs </P> and allow illegal nesting of tags. Beware of these! Browsers. Basically there are three that your pages must work with... a. Netscape b. MS Internet Explorer c. Opera If your pages look good with ALL of these, then they work and should keep your readers happy. Copyright Infringement is one area that really bugs me. I spend a great deal of time and money (software purchases) to keep my sites graphics unique and pleasing. I often find other site using my graphics and audio files (midi) and that isn't right. Take the time to build your own and don't go and copy them from somebody elses site. Sure its easy but, it isn't right. Last of all, HAVE FUN! Creating web sites is a LOT of FUN and allows anybody to be creative and to express their purpose or ideas. Try and not fall into canned or predefined rules as they will limit you in trying to achieve what you want to do. My site breaks almost all the rules but, over time, I've figured out what I can and cannot get away with. My home page is almost totally graphical and uses a CGI based menu to navigate around in it. Probably not a good idea to start with but, in my case and with my audience, it works. I'm a webmaster for numerous Global Fortune 1000 corporations, www.banjo.com, and numerous others, I'd like to share some of my experience with all of this. I have also been a worldwide network consultant and am currently working for one of America's biggest network service providers. My web site was the 7th ever in the world. This stuff isn't new to me. I was also co-author of Librowse, a free web browser designed totally for libraries. So, if you got this far and want to see my site, its at http://www.banjo.com and is a bluegrass music site. Thanks for your time. Bob Cherry Internet and Networking Consultant From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Fri May 15 22:13:05 1998 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: ADA pages Message-ID: <980515221305.2041a09c@main.morris.org> Seems to me it is as much (or more!) a case of the station/equipment the user has as the way you design your page...is your visually impaired patron using a speech synthesizer? or the PWSpeak browser? To recap our work..we visited Seeing Eye Institute which advised that Lynx and a speech synthesizer is their preferred web access (in fact, what they use in their tech lab). In discussion with CP patron, key elements are track ball vs mouse and screen angle relative to head positioning and wheel chair height. We were just called a few days ago by local CP Society, who wanted to know if we had handicapped Net access ..told a colleague here that to me ADA access meant a station roomy enough for patron and attendant and, if necessary, a staff member who would assist, guide, do any Net retrieval, if necessary. How to design an ADA complaint page when you have no idea what adaptive technologies the user/viewer is using?? For the nonce, here, as considerately as possible and with the help of Bobby and by "reading" the page in a voice utility before we post it. From bobicki at amigo.net Fri May 15 23:16:47 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:29 2005 Subject: Response to comments In-Reply-To: <199805160146.CAA06936@delta.info.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980515211647.007e8b70@pop.amigo.net> Hi Bob Other than not making it clear that you are co-author of Librowse ...that is an excellent post. There is one item I would like to elaborate on that you address ... The font issue is probably why they want style sheets to begin with. Let's assume for a moment styles are NOT implemented. One of the issues I presented at the Library web page design workshop is the idea of "relative font sizes". I have an example of a patron with bad eyesight that has large fonts @ 640X480 resolution, another with a great eyesight uses 600X800 and small fonts. "forcing a font size" is bad business. Use only relative fonts. For example: <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-3" COLOR="Black"> sets the font to a size "relative" to the normal where: <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="3" COLOR="Black"> would force a size 3 font to the browser which would probably make it unacceptable to both. Cheerio !! Jeff > Fonts -- Try and stick with browser standard fonts. If the reader doesn't have the specific font on their system, it won't display properly. HTML is a markup language and not a Page Description Language like Postscript, Interpress, etc. The user may define the look and feel of their environment and if they are visually impaired, your changing of fonts may make your pages hard to read. > From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Mon May 18 10:49:27 1998 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Woods Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Another Win95 question Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980518074925.007b5530@mail.sdsu.edu> Well, since we're on the Win95 questions, I have one that's really silly. I don't like any of the new desktop color choices (I liked the old Windows patchwork, pastels, etc). Is there any way to get those old desktop choices into Win95? Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Department of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From MaryA at ednet.rvc.cc.il.us Mon May 18 11:18:10 1998 From: MaryA at ednet.rvc.cc.il.us (MaryRose Amidjaya) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Fortres, Winselect, Cooler Message-ID: <fc.00663c710001b72500663c710001b725.1b729@ednet.rvc.cc.il.us> Hello, all-- In an effort to improve security, I have been trying out both Cooler (from Fortres Grand Corp.) and Winselect. We already have Fortres 101 running on almost all public workstations. I searched the archives and only found one reference to conflicts between Fortres 101 and Winselect. Has anyone else encountered any, and were they severe? Has anyone else tested Cooler? I've been working with it for about a week on and off and I find it really not very user-friendly at all. I was interested in Cooler for it's capacity to restrict Netscape as well as for it's "supposedly" built-in compatibility with Fortres 101, but it's been so hard to deal with I'm getting frustrated. Granted I'm not a super-techie, either, but the manual is pretty Greek to me. Any ideas appreciated.. BTW, I really want to thank you all. I have learned a great deal from the list. Mary Rose Amidjaya Rock Valley College Educational Resources Center From macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon May 18 11:16:46 1998 From: macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Greg MacGowan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: XML vs. HTML In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980517113840.4177A-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980518111646.008fcae0@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> At 09:28 AM 5/17/98 -0700, Chris Gray wrote: >By the way, the page I pointed to (http://www.textuality.com/xml/) is >written in XML and displays just fine with lynx and Netscape 2. But of course the page one actually sees is HTML (post-conversion, presumably on-the-fly). I'd be very interested in seeing the XML markup. Any chance you could send this to the list? Also, what kind of style sheet is involved in converting the XML markup to HTML and how does it work? I've worked with Insted; is it similar? -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg S. MacGowan Information Technologies Coordinator (and Webmaster) Brandeis University Libraries Brandeis University Waltham, MA, USA 02254-9110 phone: (781) 736-4690 (W) fax: (781) 736-4719 mailto: macgowan@Brandeis.edu "He's not as old as dirt, but he knows the guy that invented it." -- Chris Mansfield From rcl at onramp.net Mon May 18 11:42:27 1998 From: rcl at onramp.net (Roy Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Another Win95 question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980518074925.007b5530@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <002401bd8273$9212d6c0$f6c832ce@rcl.onramp.net> Yes you can right click on the desktop and choose properties then choose appearance and click on any panel and modify it as you fit. You can create some very different setups. Roy Lewis -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:web4lib@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Linda Woods Hyman Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Another Win95 question Well, since we're on the Win95 questions, I have one that's really silly. I don't like any of the new desktop color choices (I liked the old Windows patchwork, pastels, etc). Is there any way to get those old desktop choices into Win95? Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Department of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From dbevington at unam.na Mon May 18 11:12:06 1998 From: dbevington at unam.na (David Bevington) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Increasing Access to the Internet References: <s558843c.058@gunet.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <35604FC2.D22CE70E@unam.na> Nicole Bossard (Kate Bronislawski) wrote: > Hello List Members, > Please put your thinking caps on for this one. I administer a listserv for > an organization that supports local communities to create comprehensive > integrated systems of care for children/youth with special needs and > their families. Our listserv is in the beginning stages, and not getting > great response from our members. > > Here's the problem: > > Many of our members don't have access to email and > the Web from their homes. Can you all provide some suggestions on > how our members, from all over the country, might be able to access > these electronic resources from libraries? Similiar to the free accounts already mentioned is Emurl. This provides the same service but can be hosted locally. The advertisements can also be hosted locally and 14 days free download trial is availble. Requires Windows NT4.0 plus MSIIS version 3.0 or 4.0. I haven't tried it but am considering recommending it to our University computer centre. Why? Our students are not given email accounts and many have got hotmail accounts instead. Using the library Interent workstations they collect/reply to their email. This program appears like it might allow us to offer the same service but locally. We don't know many studetns email and so can't email our largest customer base. The UK URL is: http://www.cloud-nine.co.uk/slmail/emurl.htm It costs GBP 280 for an umlimited server. Made by a group called Seattle Labs. Has anyone else heard of or tried this product? > > > Any information/suggestions would be very helpful. > > Thanks, > Nicole -- David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Bevington Email: dbevington@unam.na Acquisitions Librarian Tel: +(264) 61 206 38710 University of Namibia Library Fax: +(264) 61 206 38760 340 Mandume Ndemufayo Avenue Private Bag 13301 Windhoek, Namibia http://namib.unam.na/4320/library.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rvail at mtlib.org Mon May 18 12:42:13 1998 From: rvail at mtlib.org (Renee Vaillancourt) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: schoool / public internet policy Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980518104213.007fde90@pop.imine.net> This message is being cross-posted to Web4Lib and PUBLIB. Please excuse any duplication. One of our public library branches is located in a high school. The public library collection is housed in a section of the high school library. The library is run by the media specialist during school hours, and by a public librarian one evening a week and on Saturdays. High school students are allowed to check out any books in the high school collection without a card, and any books in the public library collection with a public library card (which parents have to sign for minors under the age of 18.) The public can check out public library or high school library books using their public library card. Here's the rub: the high school library is about to make public Internet access available. They are currently drafting an Internet use policy that is likely to be more restrictive than the current public library policy (although we don't anticipate the use of filters.) How do we reconcile the access philosophies of the two institutions? Should the public have different Internet access than the students? What about students who use the library after school or on the weekends? What about adults that use the library during school hours? Should we draft one policy that would apply to all patrons, regardless of status? If anyone has experienced a similar situation, I would be very interested in hearing how you responded to it. Thanks in advance for your help. ***************************** Renee J. Vaillancourt Assistant Director Missoula (MT) Public Library rvail@mtlib.org ***************************** From jul at oclc.org Mon May 18 14:22:35 1998 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Library Director's Forum at ALA Message-ID: <E5353CDF1EBBD011A3B70000F8631241013D129D@oa4-server.dev.oclc.org> The OCLC Institute announces "Knowledge Access Management: A Director's Forum," Sunday, June 28, 2:00-4:00 p.m., Kellogg Conference Center Ballroom, Gallaudett University, 800 Florida Ave., NE, Washington, D.C. (a short Metro ride from the ALA conference center). Registration limited to library directors. We have distilled the OCLC Institute's popular "Knowledge Access Management" seminar (everything that more than 250 seminar participants have told us "I want my director to hear this")... ...and now we are prepared to share with you our insights on: * The impact of technology on cataloging * Current practice and emerging trends in cataloging Internet resources * Metadata: uses, trends, and implications * Directions in continuing education * Opportunities for action (and the threats of inaction) * Building a consensus for a future world This update session is free, but registration is required and seating is limited to the first 100 registrants. Light refreshments served. For more information and to register online, please see http://purl.org/oclc/institute. Yours truly, --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org From jul at oclc.org Mon May 18 15:06:33 1998 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Metadata Workshop at ALA Message-ID: <E5353CDF1EBBD011A3B70000F8631241013D129E@oa4-server.dev.oclc.org> The OCLC Institute announces a one-day Metadata Workshop, 8:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., Friday, June 26, Renaissance Washington Hotel, Renaissance East Room, 999 Ninth Street, Washington D.C. (conveniently located near the ALA convention center). This workshop aims to provide you with the most you can learn in a single day about: * The state of metadata today * Future directions * Whether you should use metadata * How you could start using metadata in your own applications Based on an in-depth examination of real-world applications, you will learn: * The role of metadata in resource description systems * The details of metadata description, with an emphasis on the Dublin Core * How to analyze your data and user needs * System design basics * Application of metadata for description, storage, retrieval and display * Evaluation models Registration fee includes all course materials and instruction, refreshments, and lunch. Special early-bird pricing available. Also, we will apply $50 of your registration fee toward your registration for a fall 1998 OCLC Institute Seminar, "Understanding and Using Metadata." For more information and to register online, please see http://purl.org/oclc.institute. Yours truly, --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org From duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu Mon May 18 15:54:24 1998 From: duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Absolute and relative font sizes; was RE: Response to comments Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980518155424.007bb5a0@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Jeff Bobicki wrote: > [snippage] >"forcing a font size" is bad business. Use only relative fonts. For >example: > ><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-3" COLOR="Black"> >sets the font to a size "relative" to the normal where: > ><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="3" COLOR="Black"> >would force a size 3 font to the browser which would probably make it >unacceptable to both. Jeff's point is well meant, but I think these statements illustrate a lot of the confusion and misunderstanding surrounding the dreaded FONT tag. Relative font sizes are no less guilty of "forcing a font size" than so-called absolute font sizes: *all* calls for a font size are *relative* to the size set in a user's preferences/options setting, and both relative and absolute sizes "force" a size on the user. And IMHO, neither is "bad business" unless misused (which is frequently). My lecture on font sizes, as I understand things... Unless a Web page author alters the default font size using the BASEFONT tag, any "plain" text on a page is understood by the browser as size 3---i.e., the default basefont is 3. (Out of 1-7; most browsers have a limitation of seven sizes in which they can display text at one time). Browser size 3 is equivalent to whatever the user has set as the display font size in his or her browser's preferences. So, in my Netscape prefs/options, whether I have my font size set to 12pt or 24pt, this is the size the browser treats as 3. A call for the relative SIZE=+1 or the "absolute" SIZE=4 produces *exactly* the same result: text is rendered one size larger than (relative to) the default. (I'd see text so coded in a 14-ish font if my default is 12pt, or 26-ish if my default is 24pt.) Likewise, a call for the relative SIZE=-2 or the "absolute" SIZE=1 produces the same result: text rendered 2 sizes smaller than the default. (I'd "see" 8-ish point text if default=12pt.) A "relative" -2 will be far more disruptive to my ability to read text than an "absolute" 2. (And in the quoted example above, "-3" would render as size 1 since basefont 3 minus 3=0, which is not an acceptable font size; and "3" should be thoroughly acceptable since it represents no divergence from the norm.) Altering font sizes only becomes a problem when Web authors don't understand the implications of what they do. As a user, I set my prefs/options so that text unaltered by a font tag is a comfortable size for my viewing on my specific setup. As long as an author leaves the font size alone, I can read lots of text without a problem. However, an author's call to alter the size in which my browser displays text is in effect saying "I don't care what *you* think is readable, here's what you're getting from me." This is no big deal (and perfectly acceptable) when smaller sizes are applied to disclaimer text and larger sizes are applied to non-heading text which should stand out, but how many times have we seen the content of an entire page coded with "-1" or "-2", rendering it close to illegible? (Or almost as bad, "+2" or "+3"?) Sure, I can alter the size in my browser to accomodate a specific site, but then it has to be done again after I leave the site. I can only guess that the authors of these pages are designing on the extreme ends of the monitor spectrum without proper adjustments made in local browser preferences, and to look acceptable to them (or the keeper of the coin), the text has to be coded with the size alterations. (Sorry for the generalization; just a guess.) Not every Web author has access to a dozen or so hardware/software configurations for testing pages, but an awareness of the different environments which exist and the effects of various coding on each isn't a secret, nor is it all that hard to figure out. The FONT tag (relative or absolute) isn't the bad guy any more than Style Sheets are. Each has its purpose and can be used to great effect if used properly and judiciously and with some understanding of the potential outcomes. Bob Duncan ~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~ Robert E. Duncan Reference/Instruction Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From jul at oclc.org Mon May 18 16:43:01 1998 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Address Correction Message-ID: <E5353CDF1EBBD011A3B70000F8631241013D12A2@oa4-server.dev.oclc.org> Dear Readers: In an earlier announcement I mistyped the URL for the OCLC Institute. For information about the Institute and upcoming events at ALA, please see http://purl.org/oclc/institute. My apologies for any inconvenience I may have caused. --Erik Erik Jul jul@oclc.org From bobicki at amigo.net Mon May 18 16:57:11 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Changing Win95 shutdown default In-Reply-To: <78583DC6D0A@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980518145711.00840990@pop.amigo.net> Hi Glen ... I wish it was that easy. It isn't. It is like getting rid of "My Computer" on the desktop. Good Luck !! This function is part of the "registry memory". The registry has more than one "working copy" Until you do a power down reset, the last working registry is the one that is used. It is VERY difficult to modify each of the registry copies (especially the one in use at the moment) About the best you can do without the probability of getting into trouble is use the functionality of Microsoft Power Toys. In particular Tweak UI. Several powertoys are available for free. Do a search and get the one appropriate for your system. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System Jeff's Technical Area http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ At 08:05 PM 5/17/98 -0700, Glen Davies wrote: >Hi > >An easy one for the Win95 experts. > >Is there a registry key somewhere that lets you change the default >shutdown option? eg. Default to "Restart the computer" instead of >"Shutdown the computer". If there is where is it? From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Mon May 18 18:39:06 1998 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Disability Access Design Standard Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980518223906.2d4792d0@glenpub.lib.az.us> I haven't been following the thread on web design for users with disabilities too closely, so my apologies in advance for any repetition. The March/April 1998 issue of Public Libraries contains a brief article on an accessibility effort in San Jose, California ("Libraries Make Services Accessible," page 108). >From the article: "San Jose Public Library's home page demonstrates the award-winning Disability Access Design Standard developed by the City of San Jose." Library: www.sjpl.lib.ca.us City: www.ci.san-jose.ca.us According to the article, the Design Standard itself can be found at the City of San Jose's web site. Joe Schallan Glendale Public Library jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Mon May 18 17:32:57 1998 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Absolute and relative font sizes; was RE: Response to comments In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980518155424.007bb5a0@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93ras.980518141132.6087C-100000@nimbus.anzio.com> If I may summarize, and correct just slightly... An HTML author can choose font sizes from 1 to 7, either absolute ("5") or relative to the current working size ("-2"); but they are still always DEPENDENT on the browser-owner's choice of preferred font size. The browser-owner, taking into effect screen resolution, monitor size, limited eyesight, and personal preference, can set preferred font size, and the HTML author, using that as a starting point, can make headlines larger and legal fine print smaller. You might compare it to the volume control on your TV - you set it to your preferred comfortable listening level, and hope that program providers don't drive it too far one way or the other. What is NOT possible in HTML, up until CSS, is PRECISE control of font size - making certain text display at 12 point (just like TV programmers can't make your TV produce exactly 65 decibels). That is ONE of the things authors can do with CSS. As has been well said, if your focus is on providing readable content, then typographical precision is not necessary. But there ARE circumstances where it will prove very useful, and this will (eventually) allow web browsers to be used in new and interesting ways. An example comes to mind which uses bitmap size rather than font size. Suppose you are publishing a map in bitmap form, for a use to print, and you want one inch to represent one mile. Not knowing the resolution (dots per inch) of the user's printer, you can't make it always come out right. But with CSS, if you can say a particular bitmap should have a size of 4 inches, instead of 1200 pixels (for instance), you can accomplish your goal. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From bobicki at amigo.net Mon May 18 21:42:25 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Absolute and relative font sizes In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980518155424.007bb5a0@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980518194225.007ed690@pop.amigo.net> Hi Bob I fully concur with you. Your analysis is correct and solidifies my point that messing with fonts is not to be taken lightly. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki From sthomas at library.adelaide.edu.au Tue May 19 01:39:36 1998 From: sthomas at library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:33 2005 Subject: Apache: uncompressing 'on the fly'? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980519143936.00943be0@clucas.library.adelaide.edu.au> A technical question (craving the indulgence of non-technical members): Is there a way of having the Apache web server uncompress files 'on the fly', i.e. of having a compressed file automatically de-compressed byt the server when responding to the user's request for the document? I thought I recalled something about this, but can't find a reference to it in the Apache docs (which probably means it can't). (I already know how to do this with a cgi script, thanks anyway. I'm hoping for a built-in module in Apache that will do it transparently.) Regards, Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ Stephen Thomas, Senior Systems Analyst Mail : Barr Smith Library, The University of Adelaide, South Australia 5005 Phone: (08) 8303 5190 Fax: (08) 8303 4369 Email: sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au URL : http://library.adelaide.edu.au/ual/staff/sthomas.html ** Unless otherwise stated, the content of this message reflects only my ** ** own opinion, and not the policy of the University of Adelaide Library.** "I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake From Vivienne.Cuff at natlib.govt.nz Tue May 19 17:12:54 1998 From: Vivienne.Cuff at natlib.govt.nz (Vivienne Cuff) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:34 2005 Subject: National Library of New Zealand's Web Site Survey In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980519071457.1001A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> References: <712CA355AF@baxter.natlib.govt.nz> Message-ID: <83837970C0@baxter.natlib.govt.nz> The National Library of New Zealand is currently deciding the future direction for its Web presence. There is an online survey form at this address: http://www.natlib.govt.nz/websurvey/ as a means to provide input. This input will be used to help formulate our web policy and strategy. All completed survey forms will go into a prize draw for the chance to win a high quality copy of an image of the person's choice from the Timeframes service (http://timeframes.natlib.govt.nz). The draw is open until Friday 12 June 1998. Thanks & Cheers Vivienne Vivienne Cuff, Web Analyst WWW: http://www.natlib.govt.nz/ -------------------------------------- These are my views, and they do not necessarily reflect National Library of New Zealand policy. From macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue May 19 15:54:45 1998 From: macgowan at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Greg MacGowan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:34 2005 Subject: listserv archives and email attachments Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980519155445.0092a8e0@binah.cc.brandeis.edu> I am interested in developing a web-accessible archive of postings sent to our internal staff listserv, but I don't know how this arrangement would handle email attachments. People send attachments often enough, and they are usually quite important, that this is a very important consideration. Any help would be appreciated very much. Please reply either on or off list. -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg S. MacGowan Information Technologies Coordinator (and Webmaster) Brandeis University Libraries Brandeis University Waltham, MA, USA 02254-9110 phone: (781) 736-4690 (W) fax: (781) 736-4719 mailto: macgowan@Brandeis.edu "The meetings will continue until morale improves." From bary at qadas.com Tue May 19 16:20:07 1998 From: bary at qadas.com (P or K Bary) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:34 2005 Subject: schoool / public internet policy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980519142007.006d142c@qadas.com> I disagree. I work for a district with a branch in a school library, and we are absolutely not a guest - we are a public library located in a school. This has caused some problem since the missions of a school and a public library can be in conflict, especially where Internet policies are concerned. Since my library doesn't filter Internet access, and the school would prefer to, we've had to make some concessions. For instance, the public has unrestricted access to 'Net PCs at all times the library is open. On the other hand, students are limited to Internet use for schoolwork only. But after school hours it's another story. They are then considered full-fledged members of the public. Other measures we've taken in that location include placing the Internet stations so they face the reference desk, and removal of the printers to a location behind the reference desk - so that librarians retrieve print jobs. These steps were taken because as soon as we set up Internet access, some of the kids were printing and distributing some rather graphic graphics. It's a rather tenuous relationship, but this alliance was forged long before Internet access in public libraries. Would we newly-create this kind of a partnership now? I don't know, but I doubt it. Since it's there we're all trying to make it work. Karen Bary Arapahoe Library District Littleton, Colorado ksbary@csn.net or bary@qadas.com >Return-Path: <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> >Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:27:22 -0700 >Errors-To: listchek@webjunction.org >Reply-To: bennettt@am.appstate.edu >Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >From: TMGB <bennettt@am.appstate.edu> >To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> >Subject: Re: schoool / public internet policy >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > >I have not had experience in this or a similar matter, but it seems that you >are a "guest" of the school library. I don't endorse restrictions myself and I >don't approve of non-parental guidance in any manner. In an analogy with city >and state, the city is allowed to make it's own rules as long as they are not >in direct conflict with the state's regulations. Although, in the public >library building you have your right to set and impose rules that the library's >administration has agreed upon. You may ask yourself: Are there any policies or >agreements made between the public library and the school library when this >union began that might be in effect in this situation? >..when in Rome... > >m2cw >Thomas > > >Renee Vaillancourt wrote: > >> This message is being cross-posted to Web4Lib and PUBLIB. Please excuse any >> duplication. >> >> One of our public library branches is located in a high school. The public >> library collection is housed in a section of the high school library. The >> library is run by the media specialist during school hours, and by a public >> librarian one evening a week and on Saturdays. High school students are >> allowed to check out any books in the high school collection without a >> card, and any books in the public library collection with a public library >> card (which parents have to sign for minors under the age of 18.) The >> public can check out public library or high school library books using >> their public library card. >> >> Here's the rub: the high school library is about to make public Internet >> access available. They are currently drafting an Internet use policy that >> is likely to be more restrictive than the current public library policy >> (although we don't anticipate the use of filters.) How do we reconcile the >> access philosophies of the two institutions? Should the public have >> different Internet access than the students? What about students who use >> the library after school or on the weekends? What about adults that use the >> library during school hours? Should we draft one policy that would apply to >> all patrons, regardless of status? >> >> If anyone has experienced a similar situation, I would be very interested >> in hearing how you responded to it. Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> ***************************** >> Renee J. Vaillancourt >> Assistant Director >> Missoula (MT) Public Library >> rvail@mtlib.org >> ***************************** > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University >Computer Consultant II University Library >bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ >Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 > >In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by >the number of complaints received > > From kjustie at nslsilus.ORG Wed May 20 14:33:24 1998 From: kjustie at nslsilus.ORG (Kevin Justie) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:34 2005 Subject: Flute and Win95 Message-ID: <l03010d01b188cdc6e6e0@[38.226.214.101]> I've been using a variation of the Flute script that's been posted on Web4Lib (http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9602/0014.html) to time out Netscape, and have had no problems under Windows 3.1. I'm now trying to make it work on a Win95 PC and am running into several problems: 1. I changed the Flute script to click at the location of Netscape's Home button, but even though the coordinates don't change in the script, it clicks in slightly different locations (different enough to frequently miss the Home button) depending on what web page is currently displayed. (I resorted to a mouse click because I couldn't get a CTRL+O or keyboard manipulation of the menubar (using ALT) to work at all.) 2. It times out after the specified interval, and tries to click on the Home button, regardless of whether there's been any mouse movement or not; in other words, no matter what you're doing, every 5 minutes it's going to take you back to the home page (when it clicks in the right spot, that is). 3. It fails to recognize when the mouse is at location 0,0 with the shiftkey down, which is the "code" the script is supposed to use to halt itself. Is anyone using a version of this Flute script with Win95, and have you experienced these problems? Does anyone have another Flute script that does work in Win95? Is anyone using a different macro or scripting program to time out a browser back to a specified page? Thanks for your help! Kevin Justie Head of Technical and Automated Services Morton Grove Public Library, Morton Grove, IL (847) 965-4220 kjustie@mgk.nslsilus.org http://www.webrary.org/ Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect official Library policy. *** "The box said Windows 95 or better,...So I bought a Mac." *** From tooher at mmc.marymt.edu Wed May 20 16:11:45 1998 From: tooher at mmc.marymt.edu (Mary B Tooher) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:35 2005 Subject: Disability Access Web Standard Message-ID: <57EF9F30670@mmc.marymt.edu> The NewMedia issue dated June 2, 1998 has pertinent info on topic in a one page article (see p.22). The article addresses universal design and a logo applied to sites measured for accessibility by people with a wide-range of disabilities. (The logo name is "Bobby" ) For those without the print subscription, try the NewMedia Web site: <www.newmedia.com/web/98/07/disabled.html> This has links to other useful sites and allows access to the magazine article. This should be helpful. MARY TOOHER From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 20 18:39:58 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:35 2005 Subject: schoool / public internet policy In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980519142007.006d142c@qadas.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980520163958.007bac30@pop.amigo.net> Hi all !! Interesting dilemma you have here. Prior to actually coding Librowse, this was one of the situations that was considered in depth by Bob Cherry and myself. We spent a great deal of time talking to Librarians. We feel that the solution is already in your hands. This is not a detailed setup ... only a conceptual view. Setting it up isn't exactly a walk in the park ... but it is spring and time to spend in the park anyway ! Here is the scenerio ... Use the Windows Policy editor to set up 2 profiles on the subject machine (check my website for complete info on this) ... one for school and another for public. Install Netscape 2 times. Once in the default location (for use by Librowse) and another in some secondary location. Use profile 1 that uses Librowse (with filtering) with NO netscape icon. Use profile 2 that uses Netscape alone (no filtering) That should cover it. I would be quite happy to augment the existing documentation to Librowse to address this situation. As I say, I believe the problem is already solved. Best Regards, Jeff Bobicki http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ <--- BIG SNIP >This has caused some problem since the missions of a school and a public >library can be in conflict, especially where Internet policies are >concerned. Since my library doesn't filter Internet access, and the school >would prefer to, we've had to make some concessions. For instance, the >public has unrestricted access to 'Net PCs at all times the library is >open. On the other hand, students are limited to Internet use for >schoolwork only. But after school hours it's another story. They are then >considered full-fledged members of the public. > From marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au Wed May 20 21:44:17 1998 From: marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au (Marty Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:35 2005 Subject: Restricting the downloading of .exe,.zip files Message-ID: <s5640c9f.010@onkaparinga.sa.gov.au> Having recently come across a situation in one of our libraries (a joint use school / community) where a clever lad downloaded and installed a pice of software that logs all logins we are obviously concerned about the security implications. As a possible solution I would like to know if anyone has found a means of restricting the files that can be downloaded from the web? If we could ensure that executable or zipped files cannot be downloaded, this would go some way towards prevention. Any other lines of attack are also welcomed. Thanks Marty Williams www.terra.net.au/~marwil/cool/home.htm From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 20 21:47:19 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:35 2005 Subject: schoool / public internet policy Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980520194719.007d9b40@pop.amigo.net> Hi again ... I am responding to someone with a question that needs to be posted to the lists. I respect that person's request to remain private. When I joined the Colorado Southwest Regional Library System a couple of years ago, I was consulting for a worldwide ISP. I had internet access that would be the envy of anybody. Now I consult for 3 of them. One of the first things I did for SWRLSS was an analysis of all of the filtering packages.... CyberPatrol, CyberSitter et al. I had all of them and ran them through the paces big time. I believe my powerpoint representation is on the net still ... check ftp at colosys.net Anyway ... I digress. My bottom line finding was they were all worthless / bloated / unusable. When Librowse was developed, a proxy filter called 'Junkbuster' was employed. It was selected for several reasons ... It is FREE, It WORKS and like Linux has a base of technical support that guarantees it's perpetuity. While the filter was employed, the decision was made that Engineering should not make policy decisions for the Libraries that use Librowse. Consequentially, the filter file that is installed with Librowse is 'blank' You can invoke any policy you wish. Librowse simply gives you the mechanism to filter effectively if you wish to do so .. with no strings attached. Librowse is FREE ! My hope is that Libraries will trade these plain text "blockfiles" to make a truly effective filter based upon your interests .. elementary, high school, public. Engineering gave you the tool ... how you use it is strictly your call. Cheerio !! Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant .. Colorado Southwest Regional Library System <-- snip Jeff, I don't make policy for the district, but having said that, I'm philosophically opposed to using filters in the library if any other combination of measures will solve the problem. That may include PC placement, privacy screens in some places - whatever. From pfa at nwu.edu Thu May 21 11:19:57 1998 From: pfa at nwu.edu (Pat Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:36 2005 Subject: Column Break w/ Multicol tag? Message-ID: <v03102802b189f64f5bb2@[165.124.125.152]> Quick question -- is it possible to force a column break when using the MULTICOL tag? Otherwise, I'll just put the two columns into a table and force it that way. Thanks! Pat Anderson . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson "We have come to a shore where Barnes Learning Resources Center life is worthwhile. Shine softly, Galter Library / Northwestern U. you flares; move gently, you 303 E. Chicago Ave. fishermen's boats." Chicago IL 60611-3008 312/503-8238, voice The Gossamer Years, p.79. pfa@nwu.edu trans. E. Seidensticker WWW: http://www.galter.nwu.edu/libinfo/lrc/ WWW: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~pfa/ From LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU Thu May 21 11:43:23 1998 From: LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU (DEANNE LUCK) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:36 2005 Subject: Historian from Fortres Grand Message-ID: <01IXAH5GT8V600MPJD@APSU01.APSU.EDU> I am looking into programs that will keep statistics on program use on our public PAC stations, which will be running NT. When I called Fortres Grand yesterday, they said an NT version of Historian should be out in July. Do those of you using Historian like it? How detailed are the statistics? For instance, will it record the specific CD on our server, or just that the server is being used? Are there other better programs out there? Thanks, DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu01.apsu.edu From gyokote at library.ucla.edu Thu May 21 12:10:36 1998 From: gyokote at library.ucla.edu (GAIL A YOKOTE) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:36 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Head, Learning Resources Division at UCLA Message-ID: <SIMEON.9805210936.G@bio-s-abl001.library.ucla.edu> UCLA Library Head, Learning Resources Division Biomedical Library Under the general direction of the Associate Biomedical Librarian, the Head of the Learning Resources Division plans, manages, and supervises the divisional services, activities, and personnel. Administers and selects the multimedia, computing, and networking resources used within the IMF and Biomedical Library’s LAN in consultation with the health professional schools and with the UCLA Library’s Library Information Systems/Technical Support Unit. Supervises 2 FTE programmers, 1 FTE computer resource specialist, and approximately 4 FTE student assistants. Allocates, justifies, and monitors the budget for the IMF, including hardware, software, and student personnel. Represents the Biomedical Library to faculty and other interested groups. Serves on campus groups that focus on instructional use of technology. Participates as a division head in Biomedical Library-wide planning. Qualifications: Minimum qualifications: Three - five years work experience in library systems or computer and networking operations in a complex environment; supervisory experience; ability to lead and collaborate; strong technical skills associated with microcomputer hardware and software, LAN (NT and Novell operating systems) and Internet protocols; effective communication skills; excellent analytical and problem-solving skills; ability to communicate complex technical information to non-technical audiences; excellent interpersonal skills. Preferred qualifications: Knowledge and experience in faculty use of instructional technology. Knowledge of health professions education. Experience in educational evaluation, including computer-based testing and outcomes assessment. Familiarity with Internet resources used in health sciences education. Experience in a health sciences library. Salary Range: $38,688 - $65,472 . Anyone wishing to be considered for this position should write to Dr. Rita A. Scherrei, Associate University Librarian for Personnel and Administrative Services, University Research Library, UCLA, 11334 URL, Box 951575, Los Angeles, California 90095-1575. The application letter should include a complete statement of qualifications, a full resume of education and relevant experience, and the names and addresses of at least three persons who are knowledgeable about the applicant's qualifications for this position. Candidates applying by June 15, 1998 will be given first consideration. ____________________________ Gail Yokote UCLA Biomedical Library 310, 825-5949 (voice) 310, 825-0465 (fax) email: gyokote@library.ucla.edu ____________________________ From m-dougherty at nwu.edu Fri May 22 10:08:49 1998 From: m-dougherty at nwu.edu (Claire Dougherty) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: Position announcement: Northwestern University Message-ID: <v04003a05b18b36c5ffc0@[129.105.184.108]> Please excuse any duplication; this message is being cross posted. PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIAN VACANCY POSITION: Reserve/Multimedia Services Librarian DIVISION: Public Services DEPARTMENT: General Information Center; Mitchell Multimedia Center REPORTS TO: Head, General Information Center; Head, Mitchell Multimedia Center SUMMARY: This is a split position. Reserve responsibilities include sharing in the supervision of electronic reserve staff members; involvement in continuing development of the Electronic Reserve System (ERS); training of staff, student assistants and faculty in use of scanning and other electronic technology; serving as a liaison to other reserve units on campus, faculty using reserve services and staff from the Academic Technologies division of the University. Also assists in the General Information Center. The Reserve/Multimedia Services Librarian also supports the activities and operations of the Multimedia Development Lab within the Mitchell Multimedia Center. Functions include server management and maintenance; supervision of part-time student assistants; training students, faculty and staff in the use of the Labs software and hardware; collaboration on New Media Center initiatives, including the development of collections of digital materials; and assisting with staff training for the design, development , and implementation of Library departmental Web sites. RESPONSIBILITIES: Reserve: Supervises, trains staff in electronic reserve applications. Assists in the integration of new technologies and new approaches to the delivery of reserve services. Participates in the development of the ERS and the General Information Center. Provides training in the use of technology for ERS. Serves as liaison and trainer for other NU Libraries participating in electronic reserve projects. Coordinates efforts with Northwesterns Academic Technologies division and the Mitchell Multimedia Center on the ERS project. Maintains ERS on the UNIX server in the Mitchell Multimedia Center. Multimedia Development Lab: Has responsibility for the overall operation of the Multimedia Development Lab within the Mitchell Multimedia Center. Assists students, faculty, and staff working on a wide variety of multimedia projects, ranging from the very simple to the very complex. Supervises nine Multimedia Development Lab part-time student assistants, including hiring, training, scheduling, and evaluating. Collaborates with the head of the New Media Center project at Northwestern University on various projects and initiatives. Participates in projects to design and create digital collections. Assists with Library-wide Web training and the implementation of departmental Web sites. Performs other related duties as assigned. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: Masters degree from an ALA accredited program in library science. High degree of familiarity with the Macintosh and Windows os. A working knowledge of Web-based technologies, the use of the Internet in higher education, and awareness of current trends and developments in the use of the Web to deliver information and services. Must have excellent written and oral communication skills, the ability to work well with faculty, students, and colleagues, and a demonstrated high degree of initiative. Preferred: Some experience in a public service area of an academic/research library. UNIX computing experience. Demonstrated knowledge of HTML and related standards. Basic knowledge of current scanning technology. SALARY: $27,500 minimum. TO APPLY: Send a letter of application and resume, including the names of three references, to Peter J. Devlin, Personnel Librarian, Northwestern University Library, Evanston, Illinois 60208-2300. Applications received by July 10, 1998 will receive first consideration. Northwestern University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. Employment eligibility verification required upon hire. ___________________________________________ M. Claire Dougherty Director, Northwestern University New Media Center (847) 467-1437 m-dougherty@nwu.edu http://www.library.nwu.edu/staff/cdougherty From dshapiro at cs.wisc.edu Fri May 22 11:18:43 1998 From: dshapiro at cs.wisc.edu (debra shapiro) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: LITA Optical Information Systems Interest Group at ALA Annual Message-ID: <v04003a02b18b46bb065e@[128.105.14.45]> This message is being sent to several lists, so please excuse cross postings. We have attempted to use a consistent title, to aid you in deleting duplicates. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The LITA Optical Information Systems Interest Group (OISIG) is holding a managed discussion/business meeting at ALA Annual in Washington DC, Saturday, June 27th, 2:00 to 4:00 pm. at the Red Roof Inn, Eastview Room. The meeting will kick off with a presentation from Gary Fitzpatrick of the Geography & Maps Divison at Library of Congress, on LC's experiences with digitizing maps. Everyone is welcome, and others who have worked on map digitizing projects are invited to share. To take a look at LC's map collection, go to http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gmdhome.html Be sure to check out the zoom in and out features of the digital maps. The OISIG is in the process of being reborn as the Technical Issues of Digital Data Interest Group (TIDDIG) so stick around for the business meeting which follows, and be a part of this exciting process! Here is the mission statement of the new IG: To address the technical issues of library digital data, which arise as libraries continue to both create and collect information in digital form, in addition to other materials already in the their collections. These issues include: standards; formats; archiving; infrastructure; and technology refresh. The objective of the IG will be to make information available, and to provide a forum for discussion for library professionals who are grappling with these issues. The IG will accomplish this by sponsoring conference programs, institutes, and facilitated discussions. Debra Shapiro dshapiro@cs.wisc.edu Internet Scout Project phone 608 263 2674 Fax 608 262 9777 http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/ -- Internet Scout From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri May 22 14:48:27 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: Experimental search engine Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980522114418.5711P-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Those of you who follow search engine developments may want to check out Stanford University's Google (formerly the BackRub project, and their crawler is still named that) at: http://google.stanford.edu/ Roy Tennant From scottlib at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri May 22 15:12:52 1998 From: scottlib at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Scott Stebelman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: Resources from Information Technology Symposium Now Available Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980522145935.9735A-100000@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> On April 21, Gelman Library (George Washington University) sponsored a symposium on "The Development of Subject Specific Web Sites." The speakers were Clifford Lynch (Coalition for Networked Information), Deborah Everhart and Martin Irvine (Labyrinth, a Medieval Studies Web Site), Michael Goldberg (American Society for Microbiology), and Kate Wittenberg (Editor-in-Chief of Columbia University Press and Project Director for Columbia International Affairs Online Web Site). The resources distributed at the symposium, as well as a summary of the presentations, are available at: http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~scottlib/development2.htm A description of other symposia in this series, with hyperlinks to relevant resources, are available at: http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~scottlib/main.htm For more information contact: Scott Stebelman Faculty Outreach Librarian Gelman Library George Washington University Washington, D.C. 20052 202/994-1342 (work) 202/994-1340 (fax) scottlib@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~scottlib From smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu Fri May 22 18:47:57 1998 From: smitch at ucrac1.ucr.edu (Steve Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: Interesting Article on Buying Alta Vista Rankings Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980522154757.007cfa80@ucrac1.ucr.edu> FYI: Elizabth Gardner, 5/18, "Deal Allows Companies To Buy Top Spot in Search Results", Internet World At:http://www.internetworld.com/print/current/industry/19980518-deal.html Steve Mitchell From brolan at kryptos.Stanford.edu Fri May 22 20:03:29 1998 From: brolan at kryptos.Stanford.edu (Elizabeth V. Brolan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:39 2005 Subject: Vacancy Announcement Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980522170329.00a4e100@lanelib.stanford.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3077 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980522/7c33ca69/attachment.bin From library at wylie.tx.us Sat May 23 12:32:10 1998 From: library at wylie.tx.us (Mignon Morse) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:40 2005 Subject: Theft policy Message-ID: <3566FA0A.66C@wylie.tx.us> I realize this is not a direct library issue, but I would appreciate your assistance. I have been asked to write a theft policy for the City of Wylie. Do any of you have theft policies as part of personnel regulations or perhaps a code of conduct for your City? If you could let me know via email, and fax samples to me I would appreciate it. Thanks for your assistance, -- ************************** MIgnon Morse Library Director Smith Public Library 800 Thomas Street Wylie, TX 75098 972-442-7566 972-442-4075 (fax) http://www.wylie.tx.us/library/ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Sat May 23 20:59:26 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:40 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography References: <3.0.3.32.19980515175319.00a327e0@panix.com> Message-ID: <356770EE.898469DB@am.appstate.edu> First: I'm not making a statement one way or the other on the content of this article, I haven't finished reading it but with the recent threads on CSS and fonts, which this article states: "Although the <FONT> tag is facing extinction thanks to Cascading Style Sheets, it remains a stable, backwards-compliant, cross- browser tag that consistently selects the appropriate font from a list of commonly installed faces. " There is an article called : Terrific type tips 23 ways to make your site work smart and look good. In BUILDER.COM. at http://www.builder.com/Graphics/Type/index.html?st.cn.fd.acol.bl I thought others would be interested, of course everyone has an opinion which might vary from the author's. nuf said, Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by the number of complaints received From kiratoy at panix.com Sun May 24 08:33:44 1998 From: kiratoy at panix.com (Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep)) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <356770EE.898469DB@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980524082029.19610A-100000@panix2.panix.com> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/fonts/fonts10.htm http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/fonts/fonts01.htm http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/fonts/fonts03.htm This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can do small things in a great way. -- James Freeman Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kiratoy.com kiratoy@2600.com From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 09:49:00 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110100b18dd4cc2a3a@[203.55.117.184]> At 6:38 PM 1998/05/23, TMGB wrote: >I thought others would be interested, of course everyone has an opinion which >might vary from the author's. The publisher can pick any font they want as long as I, as the reader, can override their choice and choose my own if I find their choice unreadable or distasteful. Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 09:49:10 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110102b18dd550492c@[203.55.117.184]> At 5:42 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: >This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft >products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. Why? Many of us choose not to use Microsofts's expensive, huge, slow and insecure products. Avoid anything which is platform or vendor specific. Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From kiratoy at panix.com Sun May 24 10:00:39 1998 From: kiratoy at panix.com (Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep)) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <v02110102b18dd550492c@[203.55.117.184]> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980524095655.19610B-100000@panix2.panix.com> I expected that, but when you get windows it installs certain fonts, when you install IE for the mac it installs certain fonts. This is not and endorcement of Microsoft or it's products which dominate most of the business destops in the world. It's and example of what is out there and being used: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/fonts/fonts03.htm On Sun, 24 May 1998, Tony Barry wrote: > At 5:42 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: > >This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft > >products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. > > Why? Many of us choose not to use Microsofts's expensive, huge, slow and > insecure products. > > Avoid anything which is platform or vendor specific. > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________________ > mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd > mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 > http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 > Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can do small things in a great way. -- James Freeman Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kiratoy.com kiratoy@2600.com From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 10:41:25 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110103b18ddddb4b2f@[203.55.117.184]> At 10:00 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: >I expected that, but when you get windows it installs certain fonts, when >you install IE for the mac it installs certain fonts. This is not and >endorcement of Microsoft or it's products which dominate most of the >business destops in the world. Yeah but I choose to be a Microsoft-FREE zone even without running linux. Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 10:53:25 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110107b18de2f87f01@[203.55.117.184]> At 7:29 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: >I expected that, but when you get windows it installs certain fonts, when >you install IE for the mac it installs certain fonts. This is not and >endorcement of Microsoft or it's products which dominate most of the >business destops in the world. It's and example of what is out there >and being used: And by your action you encourage the potential monopoly which your(? I guess you are in the US *.com doesn't tell us) federal government and a few dozen of your states wish to curtail. Outside the US many see Microsoft's action as another example of US cultural imperialism. Although most in Australia don't - but you can be a bit pushy :-). Hope to see you all at the olympics :-) Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Sun May 24 11:31:03 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980524082029.19610A-100000@panix2.panix.com> from "Shawn J.P. West" at "May 24, 98 05:45:58 am" Message-ID: <199805241531.LAA18394@goon.stg.brown.edu> > This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft > products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. Tony Barry may come off as rabid, but listen to him: You can't assume what fonts are installed. And you certainly should not assume a proprie- tary setup like "the default fonts installed by Microsoft" for a given platform. That's just plain short-sighted design. Richard Goerwitz Brown University Scholarly Technology Group From kiratoy at panix.com Sun May 24 14:18:21 1998 From: kiratoy at panix.com (Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep)) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <199805241531.LAA18394@goon.stg.brown.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980524141551.2379A-100000@panix2.panix.com> how is is short-sighted if you include Verdana, Arial, sans-serif? I am not saying use these as the cornerstone but that they are there in some cases and you have an option to take or not take this into account. Is it good design to consider what somone has or bad design to ignore them because they may have it? On Sun, 24 May 1998, Richard L. Goerwitz III wrote: > > This is a list of some of the standard fonts that ship with microsoft > > products. I've found it helpful in my construction efforts. > > Tony Barry may come off as rabid, but listen to him: You can't assume > what fonts are installed. And you certainly should not assume a proprie- > tary setup like "the default fonts installed by Microsoft" for a given > platform. > > That's just plain short-sighted design. > > Richard Goerwitz > Brown University Scholarly Technology Group > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can do small things in a great way. -- James Freeman Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kiratoy.com kiratoy@2600.com From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 21:31:56 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110102b18e72f156ee@[203.55.117.184]> At 8:40 AM 1998/05/24, Richard L. Goerwitz III wrote: >Tony Barry may come off as rabid Opps. Apologies if it appeared so. It was not my intention. I just plea for openness in development, the use of open standards and the avoidance of solutions which assume proprietary components. Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From tonyb at netinfo.com.au Sun May 24 21:32:07 1998 From: tonyb at netinfo.com.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography Message-ID: <v02110103b18e76361b84@[203.55.117.184]> At 11:31 AM 1998/05/24, Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep) wrote: >Is it good design to consider what somone has or bad design to ignore them >because they may have it? It's good design to try and make your content intelligible to as many of your readers as you can. With FACE you therefore want to provide alternatives for Windows, MacOS and Unix. Remember also that the design should ensure that the meaning is not dependent on the typeface or images. The end user many not be able to view the typeface or may choose to override it with their own choice. They might be unable to view the images or may choose not to because of communications costs. Within a fairly short time we can expect some viewing to be done on the equivalent of mobile phones which will have an interesting bearing on this. Tony _______________________________________________________ mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au | Ningaui Pty Ltd mailto:tony@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au | GPO Box 1680 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry | Canberra ACT 2601 Phone +61 4 1242 0397 | AUSTRALIA From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Sun May 24 22:26:35 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: HTML: WEB typography In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.94.980524141551.2379A-100000@panix2.panix.com> from "Shawn J.P. West" at "May 24, 98 02:18:21 pm" Message-ID: <199805250226.WAA28116@goon.stg.brown.edu> > how is is short-sighted if you include Verdana, Arial, sans-serif? I am > not saying use these as the cornerstone but that they are there in some > cases and you have an option to take or not take this into account. Minutiae of typography almost never have the amount of influence that designers think they do. And actually the whole point of content-based markup schemes was, originally, to free people from having to worry about such niggling details. > Is it good design to consider what somone has or bad design to ignore > them because they may have it? This issue has been heavily debated since the 80s. It won't be resol- ved here. Typically, though, you expect librarians to know about things like SGML, XML, stylesheets - and to recognize intuitively why they are a big gain. You also expect them to understand the secondary status of things like whether a font has serifs or not. I have to admit I was pretty thoroughly surprising when I saw postings here that asked, e.g., why anyone would bother with CSSs or XML. But then this is just me. Doubtless the folks sitting on the other side of the fence will find my sentiments to be equally surprising. Richard Goerwitz Brown University From lacroich at ERE.UMontreal.CA Mon May 25 00:41:29 1998 From: lacroich at ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lacroix Christian) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:42 2005 Subject: Restricting the downloading of .exe,.zip files In-Reply-To: <s5640c9f.010@onkaparinga.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9805250021.F1458-0100000@tornade.ERE.UMontreal.CA> On Wed, 20 May 1998, Marty Williams wrote: > Having recently come across a situation in one of our libraries (a joint = > use school / community) where a clever lad downloaded and installed a pice = > of software that logs all logins we are obviously concerned about the = > security implications. As a possible solution I would like to know if = > anyone has found a means of restricting the files that can be downloaded = > from the web? If we could ensure that executable or zipped files cannot be = > downloaded, this would go some way towards prevention. This kind of lad would probably know the trick to "save as" and change or remove the extension, and then rename it with the proper one (.exe or .zip) when it's saved on a disk (hard or floppy). So I don't think this solution could solve all the problems. wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww : Christian Lacroix ; : lacroich@ERE.UMontreal.ca ; : Biblioth?caire professionnel ; : Quebec, Canada ; wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Tue May 26 06:02:34 1998 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Summer Dynamic Duo Workshops On XML and DHTML Open Message-ID: <199805261002.DAA12291@kiki.arlington.com> +-----------------------------------------------+ | THE DYNAMIC DUO WORKSHOP: XML & DYNAMIC HTML | +-----------------------------------------------+ The Dynamic Duo Workshop: XML & Dynamic HTML is a six-week workshop conducted entirely via email and the World Wide Web (WWW). It introduces the beginner and somewhat more advanced user to the Extensible Markup Language (XML) and dynamic HyperText Markup Language (HTML). For further information about the workshop, please see the URL: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/duo.html HOW TO SIGN UP Two Dynamic Duo Workshops are scheduled for this summer: June Session June 8 - July 17 July Session July 6 - August 14 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: subscribe duo-jun the June session of Dynamic Duo subscribe duo-jul the July session of Dynamic Duo This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send email to the address in the signature line. The workshop leader, Thomas P. Copley, Ph.D., has successfully taught several on-line courses in the past, including most recently, Tune In the Net Workshop <http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html>, first offered in 1997 and Make the Link Workshop <http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html>, introduced in 1995. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Tue May 26 08:41:26 1998 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: HTML Editors Workshop Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980526063650.22743B-100000@moondog.usask.ca> I put on a workshop for my library staff yesterday on HTML Editors. You can find it at: http://library.usask.ca/html Some of the links won't work for you, but those that do might be of some interest. This was an in-house workshop, not meant for world consumption.... From sdk at mindspring.com Tue May 26 09:39:13 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: Buying Alta Vista rankings? Message-ID: <00a001bd88ab$b22bec10$3886b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> >From Internet World http://www.internetworld.com/print/current/industry/19980518-deal.html May 18, 1998 Deal Allows Companies To Buy Top Spot in Search Results By Elizabeth Gardner AltaVista announced an agreement with centraal Corp., Palo Alto, Calif., last week to incorporate its "Real Name" search system into each AltaVista search. As of last week, any AltaVista search that includes one or more of the 530,000-odd keywords and key phrases in the Real Name database will now return, at the top of the results, a list of sites that the database has associated with those keywords and phrases. <-----snip-----> Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess Around http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/bestbet/index.html From lispjh at ukoln.ac.uk Tue May 26 10:02:51 1998 From: lispjh at ukoln.ac.uk (Philip Hunter) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: Ariadne 15 now available Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980526145335.21737D-100000@lamin> **** **Issue 15 of Ariadne is now Available in both print and web versions. Web version available at URL: http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue15/ **In this issue: At the Event: John MacColl in his report on the UCISA conference (both versions) illustrates the changing priorities in resource allocation during the past few years. View from the Hill: this month featuring an interview with Anne Mumford, head of JISC ASSIST, who sets out the organization's priorities. Minotaur: Gordon Brewer re-examines the "convergence of services" issue. ROUTES: Una O'Sullivan reports on the Open University project on the selection and exploitation of electronic resources. Interface: features an interview with Derek Law, Director of Information Services and Systems at King's College London. The Cover Feature: Liz Lyon describes the PATRON eLib (UK) project which assists teaching and learning in the arts. The Access Catalogue: Gateway to Resources: Terry Hanson describes the access catalogue as an aid to the integrated exploitation of all forms of electronic information. A National Co-ordinating Body for Digital Archiving?: David Haynes discusses the preservation of electronic documents, and the policies necessary to create electronic archival services of value. Public Libraries Corner: Sarah Ormes reports on the American Public Library Association conference in Kansas City, Missouri. **This issue of Ariadne features the reappearance of "Get Tooled Up" - a section focussing on technical matters. Showing the Door to Robots: Ian Peacock's article on the Robot Exclusion Protocol explains the importance of, and how to write, the simple files which help prevent web robots from trampling all over your server - provided of course that they have been given some elementary house training before being let loose. The article also features a link to a neat and fully operational parsing tool for exclusion files. Brian Kelly has contributed an explanation of XML in the What Is...? column, currently living in the same section. Brian has also contributed an account of the key issues which were discussed at the WWW7 conference in Brisbane in his Web Focus Column. RDF, which was a major issue in Brisbane, surfaces again in Ariadne's pages in an At the Event report by Matthew Dovey on a UKOLN hosted half-day seminar held in Bristol (UK) on the 8th of May. Other regular columns include: Search Engines Corner: Tracy Stanley tries out the Northern Light search engine. This service is innovative in a number of respects, and not least because it is attempting to fund its operation through the supply of documents from an archive, rather than banner advertising. Planet SOSIG: Lesly Huxley reports on a new satellite orbiting Planet SOSIG, which those in the UK social sciences field will find of particular interest. In addition three UK eLib project reports are covered, (including project PATRON), the return of the caption competion, etc., etc. **Those wishing to contribute to Ariadne should note that Isobel Stark has left Ariadne and has taken up a position as a subject librarian in the Library of the University of Bath. All mail and contributions for Ariadne should be sent to: ariadne@ukoln.ac.uk **** Philip Hunter, Information Officer and Co-Editor of the Web version of Ariadne, UKOLN, c/o Library, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY Tel: +44 (0) 1225 826 354 Fax: +44 (0) 1225 826838 email: p.j.hunter@ukoln.ac.uk Url: http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ From bhudson at lancaster.lib.pa.us Tue May 26 10:55:12 1998 From: bhudson at lancaster.lib.pa.us (Bill Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: Restricting the downloading of .exe,.zip files References: <s5640c9f.010@onkaparinga.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: <356AD7D0.52598A6D@lancaster.lib.pa.us> Hi Marty, Could you tell us what security measures have been taken already on your machines? That would certainly help guide any suggestions, as well as alert list members to any holes in our own security. Thanks, Bill Hudson Marty Williams wrote: > > Having recently come across a situation in one of our libraries (a joint = > use school / community) where a clever lad downloaded and installed a pice = > of software that logs all logins we are obviously concerned about the = > security implications. As a possible solution I would like to know if = > anyone has found a means of restricting the files that can be downloaded = > from the web? If we could ensure that executable or zipped files cannot be = > downloaded, this would go some way towards prevention. > > Any other lines of attack are also welcomed. > > Thanks > > Marty Williams > www.terra.net.au/=7Emarwil/cool/home.htm -- *********************************************************************** Bill Hudson, Technology Coordinator Lancaster County Library 125 N. Duke Street, Lancaster, PA 17602-2883 USA Voice: 717.394.2651 Fax: 717.394.3083 Email: bhudson@lancaster.lib.pa.us From LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU Tue May 26 13:05:05 1998 From: LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU (DEANNE LUCK) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: stats program for NT/Historian Message-ID: <01IXHJJ0RUGY00NV3P@APSU01.APSU.EDU> The only response I got to my previous query were requests for sharing information. Isn't *anyone* using a stats program in an NT environment? DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu01.apsu.edu From calumet at mindspring.com Tue May 26 01:27:08 1998 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: Resource: Internet Research News Message-ID: <199805261616.MAA23706@camel7.mindspring.com> Dear Web 4 Lib folks, I wanted to let you know about a resource I've put together for Internet research. I'm the author of _Official Netscape Guide to Internet Research_, and I've put together an info-site about the book. It's at http://www.coppersky.com/ongir/ . Please don't misunderstand, though -- the book is not necessary to make use of the site, nor do you have to use Netscape Communicator. The site includes articles, quick tips, resource lists, and news. The news is updated as often as there's stuff to talk about -- usually every business day. Today's news was about the Real Name plug-in and the sixteen newspapers LEXIS-NEXIS EUROPE added to their database. I am always looking for article ideas and topics that researchers would like to see in resource lists. Thanks very much, Tara Calishain Tara Calishain calumet@mindspring.com _Official Netscape Guide to Internet Research_ http://www.coppersky.com From L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk Tue May 26 13:03:06 1998 From: L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk (Linda Kerr) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:45 2005 Subject: 'Niche' Indexes on the Web? Message-ID: <199805261604.RAA26504@punt2.hw.ac.uk> Dear web4lib members An appeal was made recently for information about web-based bibliographies. There are three engineering bibiographies made available via EEVL: Edinburgh Engineering Virtual Library, which may be of interest to members. The titles and URLs are listed below. The first, Recent Advances in Manufacturing, was previously available only by subscription and has nearly 25,000 references from 500 journals. All three bibliographies are searchable, and produced by the Nottingham Trent University Library and Information Services Department. Recent Advances in Manufacturing (RAM) http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ram/index.html Liquid Crystal Database http://www.eevl.ac.uk/lcd/index.html Jet Impingement Database http://www.eevl.ac.uk/jet/index.html In addition, EEVL maintains a bibliography of articles about engineering information on the Internet. http://www.eevl.ac.uk/bibliog.html Best wishes, Linda Kerr Best wishes, Linda Kerr EEVL Project Officer, Heriot-Watt University Library Edinburgh EH14 4AS UK Email: L.Kerr@hw.ac.uk Tel : +44 (0)131 451 3572 Fax: +44 (0)131 451 3164 Visit the Engineering Virtual Library http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ or join the discussion list http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/eevl/ From jana at InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca Wed May 27 09:44:12 1998 From: jana at InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Janice Adlington) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: IE's Active Desktop on Public Stations? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980527105943.29402B-100000@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> Is anyone using Internet Explorer's Active Desktop with Windows NT 4.0 on your public OPAC stations? And if so, can you successfully prevent your students/patrons from modifying the desktop? Some context: today, all our public machines are MacIntoshes, running Netscape. By the end of the week, they will all be NT, running - something... We're not overly concerned with how our patrons use the applications we've loaded, but we don't want them adding extras. The above has been put forth as a plan. Any thoughts would be most appreciated! Janice Adlington Trinity College Library "I have a bad feeling about this." -- Star Wars From L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk Wed May 27 11:31:32 1998 From: L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk (Linda Kerr) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: UK Subject Gateways Tackle Information Overload Message-ID: <199805271432.PAA05235@punt2.hw.ac.uk> **Apologies for cross-posting** Dear list members An update on the elib ANR projects. The following press release has also been sent to a number of UK Internet and library publications, and also the national dailies. *UK Subject Gateways Tackle Internet Information Overload* Seven UK Subject Gateways are tacking the problem of how to find useful information on the Internet as part of a national strategy funded by the Joint Information Systems Committee (JISC). The fruit of nearly three years work by a large number of subject specialists based at higher education sites throughout the UK, the combined gateways direct users to over 15,000 of the best hand-picked resources on the Internet. Covering the areas of art, design, architecture, media, biomedicine, business, engineering, history, social sciences and conflict studies, the gateways provide access to high quality information not only for the UK higher education and research communities, but also for anyone looking for information on the Internet. Use of the gateways is free. The gateways are part of the Electronic Libraries Programme (eLib) and are providing a model for other gateways throughout Europe, the US and Australia. Several mirror sites are planned outside the UK. Chris Rusbridge, the Programme Director for eLib, said "Every Internet user knows the frustration of wading through long lists of links, many of which are totally irrelevant, or of poor quality. In fact, a recent survey showed that the most significant barrier to increased use of the Internet by academics was the problem of locating suitable material. Now, researchers have seven free services which pin-point only the most useful and substantial web sites and other Internet resource in particular subject areas." Already popular with those "in the know", the gateways currently receive over 150,000 hits per week from Internet users. As well as providing an important focus for subject-based searching, many of the gateways offer additional services, including training, printed resource guides, bibliographic databases, factsheets, thesauri, forums, study skills materials, ejournal search engines, launchpads, glossaries, events diaries, and even a virtual factory. The Gateways will continue to develop new services, and to expand the number of Internet sites covered. For more information, contact: Linda Kerr, Project Officer EEVL: Edinburgh Engineering Virtual Library, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh Tel: 0131 451 3572 Fax: 0131 451 3164 L.Kerr@hw.ac.uk The projects are: ADAM: Art, Design, Architecture & Media Information Gateway http://adam.ac.uk/ Biz/ed: Business Education on the Internet http://www.bized.ac.uk/ CAIN: Conflict Archive on the Internet http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/ EEVL: Edinburgh Engineering Virtual Library http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ History http://www.ihrinfo.ac.uk/ OMNI: Organising Medical Networked Information http://omni.ac.uk/ SOSIG: Social Science Information Gateway http://www.sosig.ac.uk/ The Gateways are part of the Electronic Libraries Programme. http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/services/elib/ From kstevens at pratt.edu Wed May 27 11:18:50 1998 From: kstevens at pratt.edu (Kevin Stevens) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: IE's Active Desktop on Public Stations? Message-ID: <006201bd8982$c2efef60$0573e8cd@AnonymousIPX> I have avoided using the Active Desktop on public workstations. I experimented with it for a while but found it to be unreliable. On some systems it caused frequent crashes. Microsoft may have worked the kinks out of it since then. It really isn't an issue for workstations that are configured in a way that does not allow user access to the desktop. Locking down machines with the Active Desktop may be more difficult than a standard install. With browser components integrated into the operating system, applications such as WinSelect and Cooler (at least the versions I've used) are severely limited in their ability to restrict access to configuration options. This is an important thing to consider before rushing out to buy Win98 when it's released next month. The Active Desktop is a part of the Win98 OS, like it or not. That having been said, the concept of integrating Web functionality with the desktop interface has a lot of potential. I would be interested in hearing from folks who have used the features of Active Desktop to their advantage on public workstation configurations. Kevin Stevens Computing Systems Mgr. Pratt Institute Libraries Brooklyn, NY -----Original Message----- From: Janice Adlington <jana@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:01 AM Subject: IE's Active Desktop on Public Stations? > > Is anyone using Internet Explorer's Active Desktop with Windows >NT 4.0 on your public OPAC stations? And if so, can you successfully >prevent your students/patrons from modifying the desktop? > > Some context: today, all our public machines are MacIntoshes, >running Netscape. By the end of the week, they will all be NT, running - >something... We're not overly concerned with how our patrons use the >applications we've loaded, but we don't want them adding extras. The >above has been put forth as a plan. > > Any thoughts would be most appreciated! > > Janice Adlington > Trinity College Library > >"I have a bad feeling about this." > -- Star Wars From HSIEHYEE at cua.edu Wed May 27 13:52:51 1998 From: HSIEHYEE at cua.edu (HSIEHYEE@cua.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Faculty Position Announcement from Catholic U. Message-ID: <01IXJ1NJT2HU8WWNK8@cu4700.cua.edu> This message has been posted to several lists, please excuse any duplication. ******************************************************** Faculty Position Announcement School of Library and Information Science Catholic University of America The Catholic University of America, located in Washington, DC, seeks a full-time tenure track faculty member for the ALA-accredited School of Library and Information Science. Candidates for this position will have expertise and experience in the development, organization, and management of special collections. Emphasis on one or more of the following areas is preferred: film, sound recording, video, map, print, photo, and electronic resources; rare books; manuscripts; and archival documents. Candidates should be knowledgeable about the application of the latest technology to all aspects of collections. The successful candidate will teach in the core curriculum and other courses that relate to collections. The ability to carry out a research and publication agenda, a commitment to teaching, the potential for leadership in professional and scholarly organizations, and the desire to work with a collegial community of students, faculty, staff, and alumni are necessary. Requirements for consideration include an earned doctorate in library/information science or related specialty as well as an MLS and/or substantial experience in libraries, archives, or other information service environments. The School, which grants the Master of Science in Library Science, serves 300 full- and part-time students on the Washington campus, at the Library of Congress, and at three sites in Virginia. The Catholic University of America is sponsored by the Roman Catholic bishops of the United States as a national university and center of instruction and research. Members and associates of the faculties are expected to respect the religious commitment and mission of the University and to be supportive of its aims and ideals, whatever their personal religious backgrounds and affiliations might be. The University's faculties are composed of teachers from diverse backgrounds and religious traditions. The Catholic University of America has affirmative action, equal opportunity, and no smoking in the workplace policies. Appointment will be at the Assistant or Associate Professor level. Appointment is for 8-1/2 months, with additional contracts available for summer teaching. For consideration, submit a letter, curriculum vita, research agenda, and names of three references to Elizabeth S. Aversa, Dean, School of Library and Information Science, The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC 20064 or fax materials to 202-319- 5574. Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the vacancy is filled. Members of the School's Committee on Appointments and Promotions invite inquiries at the upcoming conferences of ALA, SLA, and AALL and will arrange to meet interested parties at the conference locations. Please contact the Dean's assistant at 202-319-5085 in advance of the conference to make an appointment. From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed May 27 14:46:16 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Life is But A Stream: Streaming Audio for Auditory Browsing Message-ID: <s56c193c.054@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu> Life is a But a Stream: Streaming Audio for Auditory Browsing Recently, I announced the establishment of a new clearinghouse of projects, research, products, or services devoted to Auditory Browsing in Web and bon-Web Databases called _The Next WAVe(sm)_. _The Next WAVe(sm)_ is available at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Wave.htm I am greatly interested in learning about additional efforts in the field of Auditory Browsing that employ _Streaming Audio_ (e.g RealAudio) to display or present data or information in Web databases as potential candidates for inclusion in a future update of _The Next WAVe(sm)_. As Always, Any and All contributions, citations, comments, critiques, questions or queries, are Most Welcome. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "There are No Answers; Only Solutions." From RSPEER at lpl.avcnet.org Wed May 27 10:39:10 1998 From: RSPEER at lpl.avcnet.org (Richard A. Speer) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Macintosh Browser Security Message-ID: <199805271828.OAA00414@avcnet.bates.edu> We run a PC-compatible environment at our library, however we have just received two Macintosh II cx's as donations and feel that they would probably work fine as web browsing machines. Are there any easy methods for locking these machines down in some sort of kiosk mode so that the desktops and configurations are not being continually re-arranged. Any help or leads would be most appreciated. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rick Speer rspeer@LPL.avcnet.org Lewiston Public Library www.avcnet.org/LPL 200 Lisbon Street Voice: (207) 784-0135 X208 Lewiston, Maine 04240 Fax: (207) 784-3011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From kjustie at nslsilus.ORG Wed May 27 16:11:47 1998 From: kjustie at nslsilus.ORG (Kevin Justie) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Macintosh Browser Security In-Reply-To: <199805271828.OAA00414@avcnet.bates.edu> Message-ID: <l03010d02b19222232d76@[38.226.214.101]> >We run a PC-compatible environment at our library, however we have >just received two Macintosh II cx's as donations and feel that they >would probably work fine as web browsing machines. Are there any >easy methods for locking these machines down in some sort of kiosk >mode so that the desktops and configurations are not being >continually re-arranged. Any help or leads would be most >appreciated. Though we're in the opposite situation -- all Mac except our Internet PCs -- we've had a public general-use Mac for many years. We protect it with Folderbolt Pro from KentMarsh (www.kentmarsh.com). It has folder-by-folder locking, and the ability to lock the entire desktop. In addition, you can use ResEdit, a resource editor available from Apple (http://swupdates.info.apple.com/cgi-bin/lister.pl?Apple.Support.Area/Apple.Soft ware.Updates/US/Macintosh/Utilities), to disable browser menu items you don't want people to use. Kevin Justie Head of Technical and Automated Services Morton Grove Public Library, Morton Grove, IL (847) 965-4220 kjustie@mgk.nslsilus.org http://www.webrary.org/ Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect official Library policy. *** "The box said Windows 95 or better,...So I bought a Mac." *** From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Wed May 27 16:27:57 1998 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Macintosh Browser Security Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980527152756.00945760@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> >Are there any >easy methods for locking these [macs] down in some sort of kiosk >mode so that the desktops and configurations are not being >continually re-arranged. Any help or leads would be most >appreciated. We use FoolProof from SmartStuff software <http://www.smartstuff.com/> to handle the security side of things-- it does a decent job of preventing users from changing configurations or running unauthorized applications. More recent system software comes with a control panel called the Launcher, which is basically just a one-button menu system. Another program, called At Ease, will give you a similar interface (a bit like WinU or Everybody's Menu, if you've used those) but also prevents the user from even getting to the desktop without a password. James From bjenn at pcisys.net Wed May 27 17:19:23 1998 From: bjenn at pcisys.net (Brian D. Jennison) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Editing Internet Explorer Message-ID: <01BD8984.5DB0D400.bjenn@pcisys.net> Excuse this post if it has been discussed before. I was unable to find related information in the archive. Has anyone been able to successfully edit Internet Explorer 4.0's resources? I want to disable certain menu items and keyboard shortcuts. I was able to do this with Netscape easily by using Microsoft's Visual C++ resource editor. I have already tried the obvious .exe and .dll files in the Internet Explorer main directory. I know WinSelect and IKIOSK would be a solution except that I'll be running IE on NT workstations. (I believe HyperTec is working on an NT version of WinSelect for some time in the future.) Any help would be appreciated, Brian. From holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us Wed May 27 18:05:01 1998 From: holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us (HOL Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: cache clearing Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980527175304.5B-100000@dewey.lakeland.lib.mi.us> We were having some trouble with various parts of our internet service to the public and it seemed that most of it was attributable to cache and temp files. So I went through a number of posting on this listserve and ended up taking the idea of a batch file to solve the trouble. I wrote the following and made a shortcut on the desktops of our internet and ref. PCs. This was so if things get slow just run the batch file and let the user clean out the files. Oh this is for win95 deltree/y c:\progra~1\netscape\naviga~1\cache\*.* deltree/y c:\windows\tempor~1\*.* deltree/y c:\windows\temp\*.* exit also create a dos directory and copy command.com into it. Another little tip. If you run dos programs in win95 you may find that they run alot happier if you have a dos directory with only command.com in it. The first line is for netscape the next IE and the last win95 temp files. You will need to go into propetries and ajust for exit with finished etc. I chose the lightning bolt from the cloud icon. Lin. -------------------- Lin Light Head of Technical and Automated Services Herrick District Library 300 South River Ave. Holland, Michigan 49423 USA voice: 616-355-3109 FAX: 616-355-1426 E-mail: llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us E-mail: llight@macnet.org From beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us Wed May 27 19:10:17 1998 From: beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us (Ken Becker) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Restricting the downloading of .exe,.zip files In-Reply-To: <356AD7D0.52598A6D@lancaster.lib.pa.us> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980527151214.1354A-100000@inetaxp.smcccd.cc.ca.us> If you are using Ikiosk, you can go into Netscape and choose Options - General Preferences - Helpers tab. Then, for files with .exe, .zip and any other extension you dislike, you can change the "Action" to Unknown - Prompt User. Then using Ikiosk you can disable the buttons in that "Unknown File Type" dialog box so that the person can't save the file. If there are some file types you DO want to allow people to download, then for those extensions you then need to change the "Action" to "Save to Disk", or link the file type with some application on your machine. Ken Becker Menlo Park Pub. Lib. On Tue, 26 May 1998, Bill Hudson wrote: > Hi Marty, > Could you tell us what security measures have been taken already on your > machines? That would certainly help guide any suggestions, as well as > alert list members to any holes in our own security. > > Thanks, > Bill Hudson > > Marty Williams wrote: > > > > Having recently come across a situation in one of our libraries (a joint = > > use school / community) where a clever lad downloaded and installed a pice = > > of software that logs all logins we are obviously concerned about the = > > security implications. As a possible solution I would like to know if = > > anyone has found a means of restricting the files that can be downloaded = > > from the web? If we could ensure that executable or zipped files cannot be = > > downloaded, this would go some way towards prevention. > > > > Any other lines of attack are also welcomed. > > > > Thanks > > > > Marty Williams > > www.terra.net.au/=7Emarwil/cool/home.htm > > -- > *********************************************************************** > Bill Hudson, Technology Coordinator > Lancaster County Library > 125 N. Duke Street, Lancaster, PA 17602-2883 USA > > Voice: 717.394.2651 Fax: 717.394.3083 > Email: bhudson@lancaster.lib.pa.us > From dkirk at hypertec.com Wed May 27 20:01:31 1998 From: dkirk at hypertec.com (dkirk) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Restricting the downloading of .exe,.zip files In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980527151214.1354A-100000@inetaxp.smcccd.cc. ca.us> Message-ID: <19980528000755625.AAA256.233@vanc06m01-5.bctel.ca> Ken, You can use WINSelect POLICY to restrict Netscape to Saving (also Opening and Printing) to Drives and Directories and specify filenames and file extensions. WINSelect POLICY can be purchased alone or as a combo as WINSelect KIOSK and POLICY.\ Denis At 04:14 PM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >If you are using Ikiosk, you can go into Netscape and choose Options - >General Preferences - Helpers tab. Then, for files with .exe, .zip and >any other extension you dislike, you can change the "Action" to Unknown - >Prompt User. > >Then using Ikiosk you can disable the buttons in that "Unknown File Type" >dialog box so that the person can't save the file. If there are some file >types you DO want to allow people to download, then for those extensions >you then need to change the "Action" to "Save to Disk", or link the file >type with some application on your machine. > >Ken Becker >Menlo Park Pub. Lib. > >On Tue, 26 May 1998, Bill Hudson wrote: > >> Hi Marty, >> Could you tell us what security measures have been taken already on your >> machines? That would certainly help guide any suggestions, as well as >> alert list members to any holes in our own security. >> >> Thanks, >> Bill Hudson >> >> Marty Williams wrote: >> > >> > Having recently come across a situation in one of our libraries (a joint = >> > use school / community) where a clever lad downloaded and installed a pice = >> > of software that logs all logins we are obviously concerned about the = >> > security implications. As a possible solution I would like to know if = >> > anyone has found a means of restricting the files that can be downloaded = >> > from the web? If we could ensure that executable or zipped files cannot be = >> > downloaded, this would go some way towards prevention. >> > >> > Any other lines of attack are also welcomed. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Marty Williams >> > www.terra.net.au/=7Emarwil/cool/home.htm >> >> -- >> *********************************************************************** >> Bill Hudson, Technology Coordinator >> Lancaster County Library >> 125 N. Duke Street, Lancaster, PA 17602-2883 USA >> >> Voice: 717.394.2651 Fax: 717.394.3083 >> Email: bhudson@lancaster.lib.pa.us >> > ___________________________________ Denis F. Kirk Hyper Technologies Inc. "Public Access Computer Specialists" 1-800-663-8381 - (604) 945-4233 Fax: (604) 464-8680 Email: dkirk@hypertec.com WEB: www.winselect.com __________________________________ From mvail at servtech.com Wed May 27 20:48:20 1998 From: mvail at servtech.com (Margaret Vail Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Streaming Audio Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980527204816.006e8c00@pop.servtech.com> Not sure if this will be of any use to you but I'm really intrigued by the potential of 'streaming media'. I was so impressed by the quality of RealAudio sound after listening to a 90 minute Frank McCourt (author of Angela's Ashes) talk given in Dallas that I bought some shares of RealNetworks. (The stock has had a really wild ride. I bought it at 23, it went up in two weeks to 39, when I sold 1/3rd of the shares and now its back to where I bought it again.) I've compiled a list of audio resources on the web, many of which are RealAudio files: http://www.servtech.com/~mvail/audio.html As you are no doubt aware RealNetworks has released a free version of their new G2 RealPlayer available at: http://www.real.com/g2/products/player/downloadpage.html But it requires a Pentium 100 or faster which I don't have. The concept of convergence (or is it convergance) gets much more comprehensible when you see what 'streaming media' can do. Regards Margaret Vail Anderson mvail@servtech.com Digital Librarian: http://www.servtech.com/~mvail/ From jimros at sonoma.lib.ca.us Wed May 27 21:16:45 1998 From: jimros at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Jim Rosaschi) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: AutoSpawn Browser Sessions Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980527175055.21401I-100000@info.sonoma.lib.ca.us> The problem we are having is mostly with users who access recreational graphic sex sites on our public use workstations. We use Netscape. The user will have many simultaneous browsers open at a time. These are generally spawned by the remote server, and are not something the user has initiated. In some cases, windows can't be closed down easily or without a reboot of the PC. When the next user sits down, there may be a dozen separate windows, each having been spawned from a different site. Setting the number of connections to a "1" does not help. We have looked at Ikiosk/WinSelect, Cooler, Folderbolt, etc. and haven't yet found anything that really addresses this situation. Yahoo! mail does a similar thing, but only opens one additional window. Anybody know how to REALLY limit the browser to one window at a time? Jim Rosaschi Sonoma County Library From cherry at banjo.com Wed May 27 21:21:58 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Streaming Audio In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980527204816.006e8c00@pop.servtech.com> Message-ID: <199805280136.CAA00082@delta.info.net> RealAudio is good for some things but doesn't quite suffice for others. If true fidelity is what one is after, MPEG-3 (MPEG Layer 3) may be a better alternative. For a true multi-media site or one which produces live performances, radio broadcasts or music sites, MPEG can offer near CD quality sound and stream it however, it does require a 56Kbps line to do so. Networked (DS3, T1, 10 base-T, etc.) sites such as corporations and larger universities may want to consider this. Real Audio must still be used for slower connections. For a good comparison, my music site offers both and can be found at http://www.banjo.com/BG-Audio.html (case counts!) Bob Cherry Internet Networking Consultant From cherry at banjo.com Wed May 27 21:45:31 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Computer Screens and Colors Message-ID: <199805280146.CAA00228@delta.info.net> Wow, what an experience I had. I went to a library today and saw what my web site looked like on a 640x480 monitor set to only 256 colors (8-bit)! It basically looked worse than I've ever seen it before. So, I went to a bunch of other sites I'm familar with and looked at them. They too looked like junk (*being polite here :) Jeff and I spoke at length about this earlier and we investigated the problem at length. The biggest problem is that JPEG files (.jpg) are 16-Million colors (16 bit) and render near true color however, by forcing them down to 256 colors, the computer divides out the colors by 62,500!!! Thus, it throws away 99% of the available image information. Add to this the fact that different programs load their own color pallets, a table of colors to use, and discard the system default pallet, the colors rendered can be nothing at all what the author intended. For example, my light to medium green background became black and white! Another thing I noticed was that the monitor being used was capable of 1280 x 1024 resolution at 24-bit color yet was configured to run at 640 x 480 8-bit color. This raised a question: Why spend all those precious dollars on display controllers and high-resolution monitors if you're going to run them in a low-resolution low color mode? It seems like a waste of resources to me. I'd like to hear from libraries who have intentionally setup their systems for 640x480 256 colors to better understand why this is. For libraries that are unaware that they are in this situation, it is easy to correct this situation by right-clicking anywhere on the base desktop which will bring up a window to adjust your screen settings. Go to the Settings Tab and you will find all the options you can use. Set the colors to the highest value and you will have better rendering of color on your web browsers. Click OK and you will have just made your patrons happier folks. Bob Cherry Internet Networking Consultant From bobicki at amigo.net Wed May 27 23:12:52 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Librowse for Macintosh ! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980527211252.00839c80@pop.amigo.net> Hi !! Great news for Libraries with Macs ! I just bought a Macintosh ! I haven't had a Mac for a while. This one is powerful enough to develop a Mac version version of Librowse which is why I purchased the machine. The Netscape development package used for part of Librowse includes Macintosh development software. I don't know how much of Librowse can be integrated to the Mac environment quite yet ...but ... you can bet I will get all I can out of the OS. I will probably design around System 7.5 or somewhere around there This is not my first software development on a Mac. Cheerio !! Jeff Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ From bobicki at amigo.net Thu May 28 00:03:54 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: Releases of Librowse Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980527220354.00846500@pop.amigo.net> Hi ! I want to clarify the various versions of Librowse so everyone knows just what is happening. There have been 5 versions of Librowse developed. As of this date, only 2 have been released. They will all be released when I am satisfied they are ready. Every version is released free of charge. Librowse released 3-23-98 includes personal web server junkbuster patron logging Librowse Lite released 4-15-98 no patron logging no junkbuster manual install (can be difficult) Librowse98 due for release 6-98 (I should not release before Win98 should I ?!) allows customized install includes junkbuster uses built in Win98 web server patron logging LibrowseNT4 due probably June 98 like Librowse98 but accounts for directory structure of NT4 LibrowseNT5 no release set ... no test sites available to me NT5 still in Beta itself like LibrowseNT4 but yet another directory structure Mac version ... Just Started There ya go ... See Ya !! Jeff & K From mbancroft at ssc.nsw.gov.au Thu May 28 01:51:17 1998 From: mbancroft at ssc.nsw.gov.au (mbancroft@ssc.nsw.gov.au) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:48 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers Message-ID: <4A256612.001ECE4B.00@> We are working to make our catalogue available on the web via a Z39.50 gateway (or z-client). We are running a z-daemon on our library server. I am searching for a good tutorial on how IP addresses work in conjunction with port numbers. The problem is that since a firewall was installed on our corporate LAN we cannot hit our database. I am confused about addressing and port numbers. Where do the port numbers (210 in the case of Z39.50) come into play? The IP address of our library alphaserver is obviously different from the IP address of the firewall which sits in front of it. Is our target address, e.g. the_ firewall:210 ? TIA Max Bancroft Sutherland Shire Libraries and Information Service. Sutherland, NSW Australia. From BU1986 at WBS.wlv.ac.uk Fri May 29 09:38:28 1998 From: BU1986 at WBS.wlv.ac.uk (Woollam,John) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <A19D46E31B59D111AC5700A0240B109E055CD1@wbs.wlv.ac.uk> unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1809 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980529/88f4d9c8/attachment.bin From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Fri May 29 09:44:58 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980529084445.5329C-100000@sparc> I second Brian' suggestion to use DHCP. It can dynamically allocate IP addresses to new machines on the network, and I think it can supply all the other necessary parameters for IP networking. I believe that this is relatively easy to configure in Win95's networking screens. However, anyone planning to let walk-in users plug their machines onto the library's ethernet ought to take a very serious look at the security implications of this. -Ethernet is in a sense a broadcast medium, meaning that packets from one machine to another are available to all machines on either the sending or receiving segments. All one has to do is plug in a laptop with a packet sniffer on it, and you can have the usernames and passwords anyone sends out on the same segment. I would strongly suggest making each wire that could be used with a non-library workstation plug directly into its own port on a switch, rather than on a hub, in order to prevent the library from becoming a place to harvest passwords. -Even a switch (unless perhaps one of the newer router-like switches) won't prevent a malicious user from using Winnuke or other denial of service attacks against other users. -A walk-in user may also be able to use a network connection to exploit your IP- or IPX-based fileservers or even your Internet hosts. To prevent this kind of think, you might go so far as to put an internalf firewall or screening router between public wires and your own servers. Make the packet filtering rules on these as stringent as those on your router or firewall to the Internet. -Unless you take measures, walk-in ethernet users could use your network as a staging ground for SPAM. To prevent this, you should block all traffic from your walk-in public network to port 25 (SMTP) of remote hosts and of your own mail hosts. You should also disable relaying for that network on your own mail hosts, just to be on the safe side. On Thu, 28 May 1998, Brian Stone wrote: > None of this is a problem if you use dhcp. > > Brian > > Bob Cherry wrote: > > > This can create a real can of worms from a support perspective. The reason > > is that an Internet/Ethernet connection requires the PC to be configured > > with an assigned (fixed) IP address. Ethernet connections must also be > > made to override dialup type connections. It can be done and knowledgable > > folks can do it quickly however, the layperson isn't prepared to handle > > netmasks, default routers, static IP addresses, etc. People will have to > > reconfigure their networking to do this and you'll need to insure that each > > ethernet address being used is unique. You may want to look into the > > logistics of managing this before you commit to it. > > > > Bob Cherry > > Internet Network Consultant Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Fri May 29 09:55:40 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980528144527.007b5340@delta.info.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980529084608.5329E-100000@sparc> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Bob Cherry wrote: > At 10:36 AM 5/28/98 -0700, Wen, Shixing wrote: > >Could someone explain how a machine can have more than one ip address? > > > >Shixing Wen > > Many systems have more than one IP for a variety of reasons. One generally > requires two ethernet controllers if the system is to operate on two > different networks however, a single IP can be used as long as both IPs are > within the same network realm. > > Port numbers (sockets) are totally independant from IP addresses. Your > "services" file defines which services use what ports. Close. /etc/services maps a service name to a port number and protocol. It is quite possible to run a service without it being in the /etc/services file, and it is quite possible to run a service on a given port other than the one actually mapped to that port in /etc/services. > In addition, access > lists (used with router configurations) can determine which > ethernet/internet addresses support which ports. Not exactly. Router access lists can block traffic to and from hosts based on IP address, transport layer protocol, port number, and other criteria, but they have no effect on whether the host in question supports a given service on a given port. The only way to prevent a computer from running a service on a certain port is to configure the computer itself not to. AFAIK, router access lists don't operate on ethernet addresses, but am ready to stand corrected on that point. > The Policy Editor may be > able to give you some additional control (Windows95/NT) but I haven't > entered that world yet. The Win95 Policy Editor doesn't give you that kind of control, unfortunately. It will let you make Network Neighborhood disappear, however. Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From tdrake at tcjc.cc.tx.us Fri May 29 09:08:03 1998 From: tdrake at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Dr. Theodore E. Drake) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528224922.595A-100000@libby.tcnet.org> Message-ID: <l03102803b1946390cbc7@[10.4.5.19]> At 7:59 PM -0700 5/28/98, Mike McGuire wrote: >On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: >> What do you call those sites that basically consist of >> links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like >> the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of >> unannotated links. > We refer to them as Meta-sites. t.e.d. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Theodore E. Drake, Ed.D. tdrake@tcjc.cc.tx.us Director of Library Services Voice (817) 515-4513 Jenkins Garrett Library Fax (817) 515-5726 Tarrant County Junior College Ft. Worth, TX 76119 o, o__ o_/| o_. . </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ . W5TB/QRP (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~@~~ Library Home page: http://www.tcjc.cc.tx.us/campus_sc/library/tcjcslib.htm Personal Home Page: http://www.fastlane.net/homepages/anne/ From jkuntz at rcls.org Fri May 29 10:49:56 1998 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Web terminology Message-ID: <000e01bd8b11$0c52cda0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> >>> What do you call those sites that basically consist of >>> links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like >>> the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of >>> unannotated links. >> We've been calling them "Internet resource guides" Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From bpasiczn at ppld.org Fri May 29 11:08:31 1998 From: bpasiczn at ppld.org (Bob Pasicznyuk) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Accounting Softwrae Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9805290949.A936-0100000@peak.ppld.org> Does anyone have a recommendation for an enterprise-wide accounting package? Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Pasicznyuk, Systems Analyst /\ Pikes Peak Library District /^\ \ /^\ Mail: bpasiczn@ppld.org / \ \ \ Web: http://www.du.edu/~rpasiczn / \ \ \ "I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hgrady at alexia.lis.uiuc.edu Fri May 29 11:51:11 1998 From: hgrady at alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Heather Grady) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <000e01bd8b11$0c52cda0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.980529105056.10410C-100000@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> We call them "Pathfinders" or "Subject Guides"! <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Heather A. Grady Graduate Student in Library Science, University of Illinois Graduate Student Assistant--Applied Life Studies Library Http://www.library.uiuc.edu/alx/ (ALS Page) HGrady@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Fri May 29 09:31:52 1998 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <024501bd8b06$248718a0$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> > To prevent this, you should > block all traffic from your walk-in public network to port 25 (SMTP) > of remote hosts and of your own mail hosts. You should also disable > relaying for that network on your own mail hosts, just to be on the > safe side. Doesn't this also prevent what is perhaps one of the top legitimate reasons people might want to jack into the net in the first place? c -- Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 Instructional Technology Specialist Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks From cherry at banjo.com Fri May 29 12:38:28 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980529101029.007d1660@delta.info.net> At 06:03 PM 5/28/98 -0700, Chris Lott wrote: >Instead of using having one permanent IP address per machine/port, you have >a DHCP server that dispenses an IP address out of a pool of addresses to >each machine that hooks into the network. Of course, each system being connected via this mechanism must also be configured for the DHCP protocols and its ethernet configuration must also be right. Thus, libraries that want to do this better be prepared to support users who don't understand the concepts and setup. Bob From cherry at banjo.com Fri May 29 12:38:33 1998 From: cherry at banjo.com (Bob Cherry) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: IP and port numbers Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980529103233.007a03b0@delta.info.net> At 07:15 AM 5/29/98 -0700, Chuck Bearden wrote: >Close. /etc/services maps a service name to a port number and >protocol. It is quite possible to run a service without it being in >the /etc/services file, and it is quite possible to run a service on a >given port other than the one actually mapped to that port in >/etc/services. Again, I agree however, one must have inetd or some similar program running to do this. Both a client and a server need to be able to communicate over the network in this manner. If Inetd, a standalone daemon or other ??? aren't present, the host system won't respond. >Not exactly. Router access lists can block traffic to and from hosts >based on IP address, transport layer protocol, port number, and other >criteria, but they have no effect on whether the host in question >supports a given service on a given port. The only way to prevent a >computer from running a service on a certain port is to configure the >computer itself not to. AFAIK, router access lists don't operate on >ethernet addresses, but am ready to stand corrected on that point. Well, Cisco router lists can limit which hosts can access the network over specified sockets. Thus, I can say the web server hosts can only receive TCP on ports 80, 8080, etc. yet can send out using any port. The FTP server gets 20 and 21; SMTP/POP3 servers get 25, 110, etc. Since the traffic is blocked at the router, the host will never see it. If your users on a host are trusted, you may also permit 'established' ports in. Thus, if I originate an IRC connection, inbound traffic will be allowed in to me but once I quit the session, it will then be blocked. The first policy I enter is to deny everything and then I enter the explicit permit policies and rules. >The Win95 Policy Editor doesn't give you that kind of control, >unfortunately. It will let you make Network Neighborhood disappear, >however. Bummer! Bob From mulkevil at showme.missouri.edu Fri May 29 12:42:43 1998 From: mulkevil at showme.missouri.edu (L. Hunter Kevil) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: FW: Accounting Softwrae Message-ID: <000901bd8b20$cd7a4a80$3209ce80@mu.missouri.edu> I would like to second this request as I am looking for a shareware accounting package for non-profits with subsidiary ledgers or else some appropriate templates for use with Excel. Just got this request this morning. Any help will be much appreciated. TIA, L. Hunter Kevil University of Missouri-Columbia internet: mulkevil@showme.missouri.edu tel: 573-884-8760 fax: 573-884-5243 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:web4lib@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Pasicznyuk Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Accounting Softwrae Does anyone have a recommendation for an enterprise-wide accounting package? Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Pasicznyuk, Systems Analyst /\ Pikes Peak Library District /^\ \ /^\ Mail: bpasiczn@ppld.org / \ \ \ Web: http://www.du.edu/~rpasiczn / \ \ \ "I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Fri May 29 12:43:49 1998 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections Message-ID: <A919CC8A4851D1118D8000805F06658F02E92E@ganymede.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> Chuck Bearden said: <snip> --------------------------------------- Ethernet is in a sense a broadcast medium, meaning that packets from one machine to another are available to all machines on either the sending or receiving segments. All one has to do is plug in a laptop with a packet sniffer on it, and you can have the usernames and passwords anyone sends out on the same segment. I would strongly suggest making each wire that could be used with a non-library workstation plug directly into its own port on a switch, rather than on a hub, in order to prevent the library from becoming a place to harvest passwords. </snip> ----------------------------------------- It is not necessary to go the expense of buying a switch. Some hubs can be configured to scramble frames destined for addresses other than that of the intended recipient. On 3Com hubs it's called "Need to Know". I first heard of this about five years ago when it was being used in UBC student residences. Hubs and switches can also be configured permit only registered MAC addresses to connect. This is useful if you're concerned about patrons unplugging your computers and plugging in their own. You could also register patron's MAC addresses before allowing them to use laptops on your network; thereby building in some accountabilty. (That sounds like a lot of work though) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Ellis Network Support Analyst Phone: (604) 231-6410 Richmond Public Library Richmond, British Columbia Email:mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Fri May 29 12:59:22 1998 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections [email access] Message-ID: <A919CC8A4851D1118D8000805F06658F02E930@ganymede.rpl.richmond.bc.ca> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lott [mailto:chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu] Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 9:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Public Ethernet Connections >> To prevent this, you should >> block all traffic from your walk-in public network to port 25 (SMTP) >> of remote hosts and of your own mail hosts. You should also disable >> relaying for that network on your own mail hosts, just to be on the >> safe side. >Doesn't this also prevent what is perhaps one of the top legitimate reasons >people might want to jack into the net in the first place? Patrons usually want to use HotMail RocketMail, etc. which are accessed via HTTP not SMTP. You probably don't want them using your mail server, so Chuck's advice makes sense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Ellis Network Support Analyst Phone: (604) 231-6410 Richmond Public Library Richmond, British Columbia Email:mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri May 29 14:37:45 1998 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Woods Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections In-Reply-To: <04b601bd8a83$10c05170$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <v03110709b194b0d13e39@[130.191.149.134]> >>Please, what is dhcp? > > >Instead of using having one permanent IP address per machine/port, you have >a DHCP server that dispenses an IP address out of a pool of addresses to >each machine that hooks into the network. > Is this the same as "spoofing?" Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Fri May 29 13:37:10 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections In-Reply-To: <024501bd8b06$248718a0$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980529120334.13086A-100000@sparc> On Fri, 29 May 1998, Chris Lott wrote: > > To prevent this, you should > > block all traffic from your walk-in public network to port 25 (SMTP) > > of remote hosts and of your own mail hosts. You should also disable > > relaying for that network on your own mail hosts, just to be on the > > safe side. > > > Doesn't this also prevent what is perhaps one of the top legitimate reasons > people might want to jack into the net in the first place? If you are asking whether blocking TCP connections to remote port 25 will prevent folks from using email, I think the answer is "not in most cases". In my experience, most folks check their email in one of three ways: 1. they telnet to a remote host where they have an email account and where they run an app like pine or elm to read & send. This method uses port 23 on the remote host instead of port 25. 2. they use a webbed mail service like Hotmail or Rocketmail, in which case they probably are using port 80 (standard www server port), or perhaps some high-numbered port. 3. they use a popmail client to retrieve mail (port 110, not blocked), and probably port 25 of the remote mailserver as their mail gateway. In this case, the user would have difficulties sending. However, I suspect that most ISPs don't let their users send mail through their smtp servers from IPs not in the ISP's pool, in order to prevent spamming. In these cases, it doesn't matter whether or not the library blocks outbound access to port 25, the ISP won't relay mail from a host that is not inside of its own network (unless that mail is destined for a user inside of the ISP's network, of course). In other words, the only ones prevented from using email who otherwise could are those in option 3 whose ISPs would let them relay outbound mail through their SMTP server from a remote site, and those using an option other than these three and that requires port 25 (anyone know of any such options?). I don't know how IMAP handles the sending of mail, but for its basic duty, it connects to port 143 of the remote server. Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri May 29 14:47:46 1998 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Woods Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Web terminology In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980528224922.595A-100000@libby.tcnet.org> Message-ID: <v0311070ab194b127527b@[130.191.149.134]> >On Thu, 28 May 1998, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > >> What do you call those sites that basically consist of >> links to other useful sites? They can be annotated (like >> the Librarians' Index to the Internet), or simply lists of >> unannotated links. > >Well, the first thing that comes to mind is content-poor. Actually, we >call them 'links-to-still-more-links' vs. content-rich. > We actually spent a fair bit of time surfing and sifting to determine what is on the internet so that we could decide what we wanted to do with it. We came up with these application types: resources, references, projects, activities, tools, and games. A list of links would be a resource, more specifically a hotlist and they do serve an important job. For more info see our Brief Definition of Application Types (http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired/bluewebn/apptypes.html) or for a slightly more indepth look, see the article that was published in Compton's New Media on America Online, "What's ont he Web" (http://edweb.sdsu.edu/edfirst/courses/WebCUE.html). To create your own Hotlists, TreasureHunts, WebQuests, Electronic Samplers, and Scrapbooks, try using Filamentality (http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired/fil) Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu Fri May 29 14:59:37 1998 From: atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu (David Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: URL Launching QWS3270 on NT Workstation Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980529145440.18695A-100000@aztec.lib.utk.edu> Hello, Anyone have any ideas on command-line switches/tricks to get QWS3270 to auto-connect to host addresses in tn3270 urls? The app opens fine but I can't get QWS3270 (v. 3.2f) to auto-load the address (e.g. tn3270://louis.lsu.edu). I'm running Netscape 4.05 & Windows NT 4.0 sp3. I've tried using the same switches that come w/ telnet apps (%1 etc.) to no avail. Thanks, David ----------------------------------------------------------------- David P. Atkins Electronic Resources Librarian John C. Hodges Library atkins@aztec.lib.utk.edu The University of Tennessee me (423) 974-0014 Knoxville, Tennessee 37996 fax (423) 974-9242 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Fri May 29 15:31:04 1998 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980529120334.13086A-100000@sparc> Message-ID: <006201bd8b38$52192150$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Like several other libraries, we provide public Ethernet (10baseT) connections for patrons (typically members of the university community, but we don't card people at the door!). We have about 110 hot Ethernet ports available for plugin, and in addition have a very small number (I think 2) of laptops available for LUO loan. It all works reasonably well. Some additional random observations: - having a DHCP server is critical to the success of this approach. Win95 and MacOS Open Transport laptops can both take advantage of DHCP without too much trouble (though MacOS has trouble if you use Windows NT as your DHCP server, due to typical Microsoft arrogance). We make no attempt to support any other OS. - we employ hubs with eavesdrop protection aka "need to know" (I think we use mostly HP hubs). As Mark Ellis mentions, this is a common feature in modern hubs that limits vulnerability to eavesdropping. It does not really provide a secure environment, but we have had no security problems with our plugin laptop users, perhaps because we already have public workstations on the same network (so we aren't decreasing security much by allowing walkins). - even with Win95 or MacOS 8, a laptop owner still needs an Ethernet interface and appropriate changes to her software configuration. These are not rocket science, but neither are they trivial for a naive faculty member to understand. I frequently get questions of the form "I have a network connection in my laptop. Do I need a special cable?" where on probing I find that "network connection" means built in modem. We don't currently have adequate step by step documentation to help patrons get up and running, nor are our reference librarians technically literate enough to help. Instead, we refer patrons to our Computing Center for support. - the requirement that patrons spend $100 or more for a 10baseT PC Card that they don't need at home limits the appeal of our service. We've considered (and rejected as difficult to support) the idea of lending PC Card Ethernet interfaces (plus software drivers on a floppy) for LUO. We expect over time to see more laptops with 10baseT (students with ethernet in dorm room, faculty who use their own laptops in classrooms, etc.). - the small number of people who actually take advantage of our Ethernet service are very pleased with it. - we also have for several years supported Metricom "Ricochet" radio modems, and a few people use such modems with their laptops in the library. My guess is that the availability of 10baseT ports and the limitations of the Ricochet technology are driving people towards our 10baseT service. However, if your library is investigating the idea of providing plugin access for patrons you should investigate both hardwired Ethernet and various alternatives, including radio modems and wireless (IEEE 802.11) LANs. If you're planning more than a year or two in the future, you should also think seriously about how you will provide network access to the growing palmtop (both Windows CE and PalmPilot) population. I'd be very interested in exchanging notes (off list) with other libraries that are successfully providing this sort of service. In particular, I'd love to steal some of your documentation! JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us Fri May 29 15:41:41 1998 From: cbearden at hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Public Ethernet Connections In-Reply-To: <v03110709b194b0d13e39@[130.191.149.134]> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980529134310.14778D-100000@sparc> On Fri, 29 May 1998, Linda Woods Hyman wrote: > >>Please, what is dhcp? > > > > > >Instead of using having one permanent IP address per machine/port, you have > >a DHCP server that dispenses an IP address out of a pool of addresses to > >each machine that hooks into the network. > > > > Is this the same as "spoofing?" I suppose one could take advantage of DHCP and a network connection to cover one's tracks, but strictly speaking, this is not spoofing in its usual definition in network security. To abuse DHCP in this fashion, you actually have to be on the same network as the DHCP server. Spoofing is making your host appear to be a different host than it is or on a different network than it is, either to cover tracks or impersonate a trusted host. Spoofing would typically occur when somebody uses a modified TCP/IP implementation to forge packet headers to make it seem like the packets are coming from other than the actual source address. For instance, you might learn that a particular host you want control over accepts rlogin connections from wimp@patsy.foo.com. You do two things: you use some form of denial of service to crash or silence patsy.foo.com, and you rlogin from your own host as user "wimp", forging packet headers to look like you are patsy.foo.com, with source routing to ensure the packets from the target host get back to you, so that you have an interactive connection. Voila: you have a beachhead from which to try to gain superuser privileges. As an alternative to forging packet headers, you could subvert DNS to resolve patsy.foo.com to <your IP address here>. If all you are interested in is denial of service, then you can simple forge packet headers and forego the source routing, since you don't care where replies go to (or that may even be a second prong of denial of service!). Chuck Bearden Network Services Librarian Houston Public Library Houston, TX 77002 713/247-2264 (voice) 713/247-1182 (fax) cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us From bobicki at amigo.net Fri May 29 16:03:00 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Mac Graphics Question (for Librowse) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980529140300.007ed100@pop.amigo.net> Hi ! I have been out of the Mac world for a while ... Can someone recommend a shareware graphics editor to me please. Please respond personally as the list probably doesn't need this. My requirement is an animation file that must contain cicn (color icon) resources, which can be done with a resource editor such as ResEdit. (which I have) Anything else out there ??? Thanks !! Jeff bobicki@amigo.net From smithj at pls.lib.ca.us Fri May 29 17:12:13 1998 From: smithj at pls.lib.ca.us (Jay Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980529141124.29137A-100000@inetaxp.smcccd.cc.ca.us> How do I configure IE 4.0 to use a telnet program other than MS Telnet? I'd rather use Netterm. ======================================================================== Jay Smith voice (650) 591-1110 (Tuesdays) Reference Librarian fax (650) 591-1585 (Tuesdays) San Mateo Co. Library voice (650) 574-4842 ext. 235 (Wed-Fri) Technical Support Group fax (650) 572-1875 (Wed-Fri) Peninsula Library System smithj@pls.lib.ca.us Zippy-The-Pinhead Support Group San Carlos Library, 610 Walnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 Foster City Library, 1000 E. Hillsdale, Foster City, CA 94404 *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* This space available for witty and/or profound quotations, snippets, and aphorisms! Rates upon request. *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* ======================================================================== From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Fri May 29 16:18:29 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: URL Launching QWS3270 on NT Workstation In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980529145440.18695A-100000@aztec.lib.utk.edu > Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980529161829.4007042a@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 12:10 PM 5/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >Anyone have any ideas on command-line switches/tricks to get QWS3270 to >auto-connect to host addresses in tn3270 urls? The app opens fine but I >can't get QWS3270 (v. 3.2f) to auto-load the address (e.g. >tn3270://louis.lsu.edu). > >I'm running Netscape 4.05 & Windows NT 4.0 sp3. I've tried using the same >switches that come w/ telnet apps (%1 etc.) to no avail. > I don't know about NT (although I will soon be having to learn) But we are using QWS3270 under Windows 3.x to connect directly to our online catalog. I opened QWS3270 - made the connection and configured the session the way I wanted it (including telling it to autoconnect) - and saved that configuration. I then created an icon that pointed to that configuration file. When I click on the icon Windows recognizes that it needs QWS3270 to use that file and opens the program with those settings loaded and connects to the server designated in the configuration (much like clicking on an MSWord document would bring up MSWord with that document loaded). So far, this has worked fine for me. Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From bobicki at amigo.net Fri May 29 17:24:37 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: cache clearing In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980527175304.5B-100000@dewey.lakeland.lib.mi .us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980529152437.007e9c30@pop.amigo.net> Hi Lin ... You have a great idea here ... a little glitch though. The batch file "assumes" the locations you specify. In the case of the Netscape Cache, it usually does not reside in the location you use ... it lives mostly in: c:\progra~1\Netscape\Users\Default\Cache and the cache for IE usually lives in: c:\Windows\Tempor~1\ Contrary to popular beliefs, the existence of the Cache does considerably improve the performance of these browsers. I advise against the wholesale "dumping of the cache". When I designed Librowse, this was a major issue and I had several libraries participate in a study where some "dumped the cache" and some did not. In every case, the dumped cache users had to reload images from the net while the others used cached images. The cached users had consistently faster response and were generally happier. This is particularly useful for schools that often re-visit a site for each class during a schoolday. If the cache is working correctly, it GREATLY minimizes net time and improves the experience. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ At 03:15 PM 5/27/98 -0700, HOL Lin Light wrote: >We were having some trouble with various parts of our internet service to >the public and it seemed that most of it was attributable to cache and >temp files. So I went through a number of posting on this listserve and >ended up taking the idea of a batch file to solve the trouble. > >I wrote the following and made a shortcut on the desktops of our internet >and ref. PCs. This was so if things get slow just run the batch file and >let the user clean out the files. >Oh this is for win95 > >deltree/y c:\progra~1\netscape\naviga~1\cache\*.* > >deltree/y c:\windows\tempor~1\*.* > >deltree/y c:\windows\temp\*.* >exit > >also create a dos directory and copy command.com into it. >Another little tip. If you run dos programs in win95 you may find that >they run alot happier if you have a dos directory with only command.com in >it. >The first line is for netscape the next IE and the last win95 temp files. >You will need to go into propetries and ajust for exit with finished etc. >I chose the lightning bolt from the cloud icon. > >Lin. > > >-------------------- >Lin Light >Head of Technical and Automated Services >Herrick District Library >300 South River Ave. >Holland, Michigan 49423 USA >voice: 616-355-3109 >FAX: 616-355-1426 >E-mail: llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us >E-mail: llight@macnet.org > > > > ---------------------------------------- From davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us Fri May 29 17:30:29 1998 From: davidzon at metronet.lib.mi.us (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980529141124.29137A-100000@inetaxp.smcccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.980529172924.11828A-100000@metronet.lib.mi.us> In Netterm you can just go options, set up, set registry telnet handler. Note that it just does it without telling you that its done or anything, so as soon as you click, NetTerm will become your telnet. Hope this helps! On Fri, 29 May 1998, Jay Smith wrote: > > How do I configure IE 4.0 to use a telnet program other than MS Telnet? > I'd rather use Netterm. > > ======================================================================== > Jay Smith voice (650) 591-1110 (Tuesdays) > Reference Librarian fax (650) 591-1585 (Tuesdays) > San Mateo Co. Library voice (650) 574-4842 ext. 235 (Wed-Fri) > Technical Support Group fax (650) 572-1875 (Wed-Fri) > Peninsula Library System smithj@pls.lib.ca.us > Zippy-The-Pinhead Support Group > > San Carlos Library, 610 Walnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 > Foster City Library, 1000 E. Hillsdale, Foster City, CA 94404 > > *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* > This space available for witty and/or profound quotations, > snippets, and aphorisms! > > Rates upon request. > *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* > ======================================================================== > > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri May 29 21:37:05 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 Message-ID: <01bd8b6b$73dd81e0$74d0430c@thomas.ohiolink.edu> In Win95 and NT4, both MSIE and Netscape 4.x refer to the system's "File Type" association for "URL: Telnet Protocol". I see there has already been a post on how one telnet app can set this itself; the more general way to do it is to open Windows Explorer (not Internet Explorer) and go to View/Options/File Types. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu -----Original Message----- From: Jay Smith <smithj@pls.lib.ca.us> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:23 PM Subject: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 > >How do I configure IE 4.0 to use a telnet program other than MS Telnet? >I'd rather use Netterm. > >======================================================================== > Jay Smith voice (650) 591-1110 (Tuesdays) > Reference Librarian fax (650) 591-1585 (Tuesdays) > San Mateo Co. Library voice (650) 574-4842 ext. 235 (Wed-Fri) > Technical Support Group fax (650) 572-1875 (Wed-Fri) > Peninsula Library System smithj@pls.lib.ca.us > Zippy-The-Pinhead Support Group > > San Carlos Library, 610 Walnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 > Foster City Library, 1000 E. Hillsdale, Foster City, CA 94404 > > *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* > This space available for witty and/or profound quotations, > snippets, and aphorisms! > > Rates upon request. > *ADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA* >======================================================================== > > > From bobicki at amigo.net Fri May 29 22:20:20 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:51 2005 Subject: Mac Users ...Thanks ! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980529202020.00828530@pop.amigo.net> Hi again !! My mailbox was pleasingly full of responses from Mac users from all over the world within just a few hours offering insight to my Macintosh Librowse graphics situation !! I am even more commited than before to build Librowse for Mac !! I must say I was astounded by your numbers !! I did not realize AT ALL that there were as many of you as there are. Best Regards Jeff Bobicki Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/ From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sat May 30 13:13:03 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:52 2005 Subject: Beautiful Streamer: Streaming Video for Visual Browsing Message-ID: <s56ff7f9.014@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu> Beautiful Streamer: Streaming Video for Visual Browsing Over the past several weeks, I have discovered through mention in various listservs, increasing use of Streaming Video for a variety applications. In considering the growing adoption of this technology for extended conventional applications, it has occured to me that Streaming Videos also holds great potential for Information Visualization applications for enhanced Visual Browsing in Web and non-Web databases. I am greatly interested in learning of any and all current or planned applications of Video Streaming for Information Visualization in projects similar (or different) than those profiled in my clearinghouse devoted to Information Visualization called _The Big Picture_. The address for _The Big Picture_ is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/BigPic.htm My hope is to update _The Big Picture_ with these and other InfoViz profile by the end of this summer. As always, Any and All contributions, citations, contacts, questions, critiques, comments, or queries are Most Welcome! Joy! Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "I Stream of Jeanie with the Light Brown Hair" With Apologies to Stephen Foster From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Sun May 31 09:59:42 1998 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 Message-ID: <24721807.3105586782@cisco-ts12-line13.uoregon.edu> > Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:37:05 -0400 > From: "Thomas Dowling" <tdowling@ohiolink.edu> > To: <smithj@pls.lib.ca.us>, > Subject: Re: Telnet in Internet Explorer 4.0 > Message-ID: <01bd8b6b$73dd81e0$74d0430c@thomas.ohiolink.edu> > > In Win95 and NT4, both MSIE and Netscape 4.x refer to the system's "File > Type" association for "URL: Telnet Protocol". I see there has already been > a post on how one telnet app can set this itself; the more general way to do > it is to open Windows Explorer (not Internet Explorer) and go to > View/Options/File Types. > > Thomas Dowling > Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu Yes, but unfortunately there are additional complexities related to argument passing (esp if you want to be able to use telnet URLs that specify alternate ports). If someone actually gets a cookbook that works for a wide variety of alternative telnets and for both MSIE4 and NS4, this would be a useful addition to the FAQ. Despite my early claims on this list to the contrary, I haven't been able to come up with a general solution, even using intermediary batch files. Also, a related question: the default is to invoke RUNDLL32 with arg TelnetProtocolHandler. Is there a registry setting that changes TelnetProtocolHandler so that the "URL: Telnet Protocol" can be left untouched, but the action that the DLL performs is changed? JQ Johnson office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 541-346-1746 (v) -3485 (fax) Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From sdk at mindspring.com Sun May 31 14:34:12 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: NNYT article: Digital Renaissance for L.A. Libraries Message-ID: <004b01bd8cc2$b5b31b40$faf745cf@shirl-kennedy> FROM TODAY'S CYBERTIMES Digital Renaissance for L.A. Libraries By REBECCA FAIRLEY RANEY Public libraries in Los Angeles, like many U.S. libraries, are witnessing a renaissance spurred by a move towards increased offerings of electronic material, including Internet access. Librarians who once feared the onslaught of technology now see it as their salvation. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/05/cyber/articles/31library-la.html Shirl Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980531/ec03305c/attachment.htm From arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca Sun May 31 15:45:51 1998 From: arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca (Rhyno Art) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Linux & thin-client computing Message-ID: <199805311945.PAA11151@server.uwindsor.ca> We are currently using two types of "thin client" architectures for our public stations and are considering adding a third variation to the list. Our most widely deployed solution is to use CITRIX, which has the advantage of letting us run windows-based applications on 386/486 machines with 8 MB or less RAM. The DOS client for CITRIX has very few resource requirements, though there are significant screen resolution and licensing issues that are associated with this solution, especially now that Microsoft has entered the fray with their HYDRA solution. The other solution we have used comes from Sun with their JavaStations. Though we see some promise with these units, it is still too early to tell if this approach makes the most sense for public stations. Through various upgrades and other developments, we are also assembling a growing base of 486DX stations with 16 MB or more RAM. One option we are exploring is to use Linux on these units. Linux has smaller requirements than windows and can offer a very respectable Java environment that takes full advantage of the machine's resources. The software revision control systems available for Linux may also offer a method of keeping the stations up to date. I am curious if anyone has investigated the use of Linux for public workstations. I know Linux is used extensively for web servers and other components of library network services, but I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has used Linux for public stations. art --- Art Rhyno, Systems Librarian Leddy Library, University of Windsor Internet: arhyno@uwindsor.ca Tel: (519) 253-4232, EXT. 3163 FAX: (519) 973-7076 WWW: <http://www.uwindsor.ca/library/leddy/people/art.html> From atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu Sun May 31 16:03:30 1998 From: atkins at aztec.lib.utk.edu (David Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Launching telnet & tn3270 clients from newer browsers Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980531155639.2554C-100000@aztec.lib.utk.edu> Thanks to all the folks who offered ideas on solving our problem (autoconnecting to tn3270:// hosts as a Netscape 4.05 mime type). Here's what works. NS-HELP is a great little widget that makes the connection between the latest web browsers and telnet clients. Check out http://www.louisville.edu/~mopurc01/ns-help.html for all you need to know to fix the problem. This go-between handles both telnet & tn3270 clients. We're currently running Ewan 1.052 & QWS3270 3.2f on both NT & Win95 PCs. As a corallary & for those who desire more info on the future fate of QWS freeware & the need for this workaround, please see the message attached below. Thanks, David ----------------------------------------------------------------- David P. Atkins Electronic Resources Librarian John C. Hodges Library atkins@aztec.lib.utk.edu The University of Tennessee me (423) 974-0014 Knoxville, Tennessee 37996 fax (423) 974-9242 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:56:13 -0400 From: Jim Rymerson <rymerson@post.queensu.ca> To: David Atkins <atkins@aztec.lib.utk.edu> Subject: Re: QWS3270 & NT 4.0 David: ... >I do have a technical question. If you can offer any assistance, I'd be >ablidged. I can't get QWS to autoconnect to a remote host from a URL. >For instance, I try the url tn3270://louis.lsu.edu, QWS opens but I don't >go anywhere. I'm running Netscape 4.0.5 on NT 4.0 w/ service pack 3. > >I've tried toying w/ various switches that work w/ telnet apps (e.g. %1) >and have had no luck. > Jim Rymerson, QWS3270: Newer versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer have modified the way in which information is passed to helper applications. The freeware version of QWS3270 does not include the code required to support the new format used by the newer browsers. You should also be aware that the freeware version of QWS3270 has been functionally stabilized and is being enhanced only if the request originates from a user at Queen's University. This version is available free of charge on an "AS IS" basis and is not supported outside Queen's. It became difficult to justify spending university resources to fix problems and add enhancements for users outside the Queen's community. There is an enhanced commercial version called QWS3270 PLUS that is being actively developed and maintained by Jolly Giant Software Inc. This version contains several features not found in the freeware version: support for extended data streams (3279 colours and extended highlighting); a flexible keyboard re-mapping feature; a point and click (hot spots) feature; an entry assist feature that includes things like word wrap, word tab, word delete, margins and typewriter style tab stop; a scripting feature; some limited DDE support; and support for IND$FILE file transfer protocol. A demo of the most recent version of QWS3270 PLUS can be found in the /pub directory as qws3270.exe at www.jollygiant.com using an FTP client and HTTP://www.jollygiant.com if using a WWW browser. A 32 bit version for Win 95 and Win NT is available to registered users. The register.txt file that is part of the zip file contains the current pricing info. QWS3270 PLUS includes support for these new browsers. If you have any more questions or require additional info, please drop me another note. Jim. From burt at northwest.com Sun May 31 18:18:58 1998 From: burt at northwest.com (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Public Library Sued for NOT Filtering Message-ID: <m0ygGRO-002e6wC@Northwest.com> On May 27, 1998, the Livermore (Calif.) Public Library became the first public library to be sued for failing to protect children from pornography. Earlier a lawsuit was filed in Florida against the Broward County Public Schools for allowing children to access pornography. The complaint, filed by a parent with the assistance of the Pacific Justice Institute , says that a minor accessed sexually explicit websites using the library's computers, downloaded images harmful to minors to a floppy disk, and then printed them out at a relative's house. The complaint asks for an "injunction against the City of Livermore preventing it or its agents, servants, and employees from spending any public funds on the acquisition, use, and/or maintenance of any computer system connect to the Internet or World Wide Web for which it allows any person to access, display, and/or print obscene material or for which it allows minors to access, displays, and/or print sexual material harmful to minors." Public Library Directors, take note: Fail to protect children, and you can be sued. Read the Full Complaint , Attorney Michael Millen's letter to the City of Livermore, and the Livermore City Attorney's response letter at: http://www.filteringfacts.org/liver.htm Read the Tri-Valley Hearld's coverage at: http://www.newschoice.com/WebNews/anghefpg2/98-05-29_m1as429.asp Library sued for not filtering Net By Janet Kornblum May 29, 1998, 2:00 p.m. PT http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C22579%2C00.html ***************************************************************************** David Burt President, Filtering Facts Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048 From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Sun May 31 17:39:02 1998 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Public Library Sued for NOT Filtering Message-ID: <005301bd8cdc$879ae110$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> You can be sued for about anything. The only real proof comes when precedent is set... that means AFTER the case is resolved (last time I checked). My rule of thumb is: Don't let Chicken Littles scare you without taking a look upwards for one's self. c -- Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 Instructional Technology Specialist Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks From darganm at iren.net Sun May 31 21:09:31 1998 From: darganm at iren.net (Michael Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Public Library Sued for NOT Filtering In-Reply-To: <005301bd8cdc$879ae110$ed11e589@chrisl.elmer.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOLA.3.91.980531200649.26894C-100000@maple.iren.net> Are there any filter vendors which offer to defend libraries from lawsuits based on patrons viewing unsuitable materials which the filter did not catch? --- Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 On Sun, 31 May 1998, Chris Lott wrote: > You can be sued for about anything. The only real proof comes when precedent > is set... that means AFTER the case is resolved (last time I checked). > > My rule of thumb is: Don't let Chicken Littles scare you without taking a > look upwards for one's self. > > c > -- > Chris Lott -- fncll@uaf.edu -- (907)474-6350 > Instructional Technology Specialist > Rasmuson Library, University of Alaska Fairbanks > > > From bobicki at amigo.net Sun May 31 21:12:22 1998 From: bobicki at amigo.net (Jeff Bobicki) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Library accident sidelines Rolling Stones Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980531191222.007ed290@pop.amigo.net> I can't believe I even know about this but ... It just so happens that in addition to my Library stuff... I have a web site about Lilith Fair 98 and was following rumors of Sheryl Crow cancelling the Lilith tour and going with the Rolling Stones to Europe ... But I digress ... wait till you see this !!! ************* Keith Richards Down; Rolling Stones, Too by Daniel Frankel May 29, 1998, 12:25 p.m. PT It's not as tragic as when Spinal Tap lost a drummer in a bizarre gardening accident, but another legendary British band, the Rolling Stones, will be out of comish for a bit while their five-decade-chemistry-experiment-gone-awry guitar player, Keith Richards, recovers from a freakish library incident. Honest. Seems the 53-year-old wrinkled rocker got high and hurt himself again. No, not that kind of high. According to his agent's statement, Richards fell off a ladder while trying to retrieve a book in the library of his Connecticut home last weekend. The statement said Richards "sustained injuries to his ribs and chest after the fall," but no other details about his condition were given other than "he had not been drinking" at the time of the spill. No word on what title caused Richards' tumble. As for Mick Jagger, Ron Wood and the rest of the geriatric band, their European Bridges to Babylon tour, scheduled to start Friday, has been delayed until Richards comes off the disabled list. How long will the delay last? "During the next week, doctors will give promoters of the tour a clean indication of Keith Richards' recovery period, and an announcement will follow if any more European concerts are affected," the Richards statement adds. For now, four shows in Germany and Croatia have been postponed. According to Reuters, this latest setback is similar to the last time the 35-year-old rock band canceled several shows. That was back in 1990, also in Europe, when one of Richards' fingers got infected after he punctured it on a guitar string. As Keith heals this time, we have one question: If you're a doctor, what kind of pain medication do you prescribe to this guy? ********** What can I say ... Cheerio Jeff Technical Consultant Colorado Southwest Regional Library System My Lilith site: http://home.amigo.net/bobicki/lilithl.html From burt at northwest.com Sun May 31 22:27:16 1998 From: burt at northwest.com (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:52:55 2005 Subject: Public Library Sued for NOT Filtering Message-ID: <m0ygKJg-002e65C@Northwest.com> Michael Dargan wrote: >Are there any filter vendors which offer to defend libraries from >lawsuits based on patrons viewing unsuitable materials which the >filter did not catch? > >--- >Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 >Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 >Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 > There's no need, since the library would be immune from civil liability. There's a fine article about this by Carol Clancy of the National Law Center on my website at www.filteringfacts.org/nlc2.htm 47 U.S.C. ' 230(c)(2) states: "(c) PROTECTION FOR ?GOOD SAMARITAN? BLOCKING AND SCREENING OF OFFENSIVE MATERIAL? (2) Civil liability. -- No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of-- "(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or "(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1)." ***************************************************************************** David Burt President, Filtering Facts Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048