From hsuarez at west.poly.edu Fri Aug 1 03:16:30 1997 From: hsuarez at west.poly.edu (Humbert Suarez) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Survival of URLs / Plain text / Non-American users Message-ID: <199708010716.DAA26715@west> A more plausible interpretation of the better connection rates overseas revolves around the following: 1) Usage of the net is more widespread in the U.S.; Web servers are thus more commonly overloaded. There are many more Web sites in US than abroad (don't ask me for hard figures), and many more users of the Web; the majority of the Web is still in english. 2) Related to 1, lower pricing for Web access is more common in US, thus causing much more usage per user in US (again, no questions about the figures, please). Cheers Humbert H. Suarez, MD PhD Polytechnic University humbert@pride-i2.poly.edu Medical World Search humbert@mwsearch.com >Re: On Mean time of Survival of URLs >Re: Do people "pass by" plain-text sites? > >For this site, we're beginning to check the connection rate of links on >link lists that we include. We're finding that non-American sites are >over-represented in the lists that have superior connection rates ... This >seems to be an indication that non-American sites are paying more attention >to maintaining their lists. I wonder if American net users are too >preoccupied with the graphics on the Web to be paying attention to the >nitty-gritty details, like connection rates. > >The use and expressed interest in our mainly text site seems to be skewed >toward non-American users also, as indicated particularly by e-mail >comments, seeming to show that non-American users are more interested in >text sites. > >So, in reply to both threads - In talking about survival of URLs or >interest in graphics/text, be careful to define your population - in both >cases the situation may be quite different in different parts of the (net) >world. > > --Eric > >* * * * * * * * * >Eric Rumsey, Hardin Library for the Health Sciences >University of Iowa, Iowa City IA 52242 > >319-335-9875 (voice), 319-335-9897 (fax) >Hardin Meta Directory of Internet Health Sources >http://www.arcade.uiowa.edu/hardin-www/md.html >Featured in Internet Medicine (Lippincott-Raven), June 1997 >Reviewed in Consumer Reports, Feb 1997, p 29 > > > > From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Fri Aug 1 08:06:45 1997 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Search engine listserv? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.16.19970731170421.0de7a554@mailhost.powernet.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know of a listserv concerned with search engines, internet searching, etc? Thanks. Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 University Library fax 402/554-3215 University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 1 08:15:41 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: WebTechs Validation Service Message-ID: <199708011217.IAA28851@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Web4Libbies-- I've had cause to recommend the WebTechs validation service a couple of times to check HTML syntax. If you've taken a look at it in the last few days, you've seen something odd. They have removed HTML 3.2 from their menu and only provide versions 2.0, 3.0, and the draft of 4.0. I asked them about this and got a rather confused e-mail message that claimed 3.2 is/was only a draft and that it has been superceded by 4.0. Regardless, WebTechs is a top-notch service, but if you have been using it be aware that it is not currently validating against the W3C official version of HTML. The WebTechs validation service is at http://www.webtechs.com/html-val-svc/ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu Fri Aug 1 08:14:44 1997 From: ifrank at dudley.lib.usf.edu (Ilene Frank (REF)) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Charges for Scanning -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Dan Lester wrote: > > > Copiers benefit the library as much or more than they do the > patrons. They reduce theft, mutilation, damage, etc, by a > great deal. Although no system is perfect, the advent of > security systems and copying machines have greatly > improved the maintenance of library collections....I'm old > enough to have worked in libraries before either was available > in the vast majority of places. Some of us even remember > how to take notes! o-) I see scanners - and probably related OCR software - in our future. Don'tcha think that scanners are going to be the copying machines of the New Millenium? I predict that we'll have scanners for the same reasons that libraries installed copiers as Dan mentioned. Ilene Frank, Reference Dept. Tampa Campus Library, LIB 122 University of South Florida, Tampa FL 33620 ifrank@lib.usf.edu Work 813.974.2483 http://www.lib.usf.edu/~ifrank/ From schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Fri Aug 1 09:27:19 1997 From: schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Joy Schwarz) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Search engine listserv? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marc - I'm subscribed to a "search" e-discussion group, and here's the info on it: From narnett@verity.com Fri Aug 1 07:16:03 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:31:35 -0700 From: Nick Arnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New "search" mailing list I've decided to take the plunge and start a mailing list. For quite some time, people have talked about starting a list focused on search. That's what I've created. To subscribe, send a message containing the word "subscribe" in the body to: search-request@mccmedia.com For those of you who know list servers, this may not be a familiar one, though the commands are fairly standard. It's the EMWAC server, running on Windows NT. It's a very basic server. This list is unmoderated and my approach will be quite hands-off. I'll only ask that discussions stay on the topic of search and agent technologies, products, services, etc. All vendors are welcome. If the list traffic becomes heavy, I will split it into multiple lists. It will be archived, like many other Web-related lists, on my server at http://www.mccmedia.com/. That server is rebuilding all of its files right now, partly in preparation for adding this list and others. Disclaimer: I am the Evangelist for Verity Inc., of which I am a stockholder. Verity makes search tools. However, this list is owned and operated by Multimedia Computing Corp., a 10-year-old company of which I am majority owner and CEO. To cut through the legalese, I'll just say that I'm not operating this list on Verity's behalf in any manner. HTH - Joy Schwarz | A sufficiently Interlibrary Loan Librarian | developed technology Winnefox Library System | is indistinguishable Oshkosh, WI USA | from magic. schwarz@axp.winnefox.org | - Arthur C. Clarke On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Marc Davis wrote: > Does anyone know of a listserv concerned with search engines, internet > searching, etc? > > Thanks. > > Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu > Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 > University Library fax 402/554-3215 > University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Fri Aug 1 10:09:29 1997 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Search engine listserv? Message-ID: <9707018704.AA870452080@smtpgwy.isinet.com> In addition to the listserv, there is a nifty web site and newsletter targeted to Webmasters and others interested in search engines. The Web site is: http://searchenginewatch.com/ He asks for volunteer subscriptions and I think that the $25 is well worth it. Elisa Miller "Whatever you can do or Institute for Scientific Information dream you can, begin it. 3501 Market Street Boldness has genius, power Philadelphia, Pa 19104 and magic in it." (215)386-0100 x 1395 Goethe emiller@isinet.com URL - http://www.isinet.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Search engine listserv? Author: davis@revelation.unomaha.edu at INTERNET Date: 8/1/97 8:16 AM Does anyone know of a listserv concerned with search engines, internet searching, etc? Thanks. Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 University Library fax 402/554-3215 University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Fri Aug 1 09:52:22 1997 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Search engines to search homepages Message-ID: <36271763.3079407142@cisco-ts12-line6.uoregon.edu> Bill Drew asks about writing forms that use altavista but automatically restrict the search to a particular site or url prefix. Jerry Kuntz gave us a simple example of such a form, where the query box is initialized to hold the restriction term. Jerry uses AV "advanced" search. For a similar example, but using AV "simple" search, see (that example uses the UO's intranet copy of altavista rather than the world-wide database, but the syntax is identical). I use this as one of my first examples of using forms in an introductory class on forms and cgi scripts. It's a nice example since it allows the patron to do something useful with forms without having to write a cgi script. A more complex and user-friendly approach (that hides the extra search term from the user) is to have your form collect data and invoke your own CGI script. The script would then modify the user's arguments to add the appropriate restriction term, and would redirect the browser to altavista with the modified arguments. That's the approach we use at UO for our library search page. See . If anyone wants the source for the CGI script we use (Perl, running on an Apache server), it is available at . JQ Johnson office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator email: jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon voice: 1-541-346-1746 fax: -3485 Eugene, OR 97403-1299 From pcollins at st-anselms.pvt.k12.dc.us Fri Aug 1 13:58:01 1997 From: pcollins at st-anselms.pvt.k12.dc.us (Peter Collins) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: SABER LAN / Athena Problem Message-ID: <33E223A9.643E@st-anselms.pvt.k12.dc.us> Hello: A member of the listserv that helps with the Nichols Advanced Technology PC library automation product Athena suggested that some members of this list might be able to help with the problem described below. Thanks in advance, and don't hesitate to tell me if this is the wrong place to seek advice! We are experiencing a big problem upgrading our Athena 96 system to 97, and it's not really a Nichols problem, as their tech support has pointed out after several conversations. Perhaps someone on the list can help. We have a Novell 3.12 LAN with a shared copy of Win3.1 and use SABER LAN Workstation v.5.0 to replace Program Manager for its security and menuing capabilities. After upgrading to Athena 97, we can use Athena fine from any workstation on the network. Once we quit Athena and return to the SABER menu, however, the next action, such as trying to open another program or another sub-menu, will cause a Windows Application Error, usually saying that something caused an error in module SMENU (SABER) or sometimes in SVGA256.DRV, or sometimes something else depending on the configuration of the workstation. Clicking on the Continue or Close button causes the menu to go away and leaves you with nothing. The only way to get out of the blank screen is to reboot the machine. The long and the short of it is that something happens when exiting Athena that causes SABER to blow up when the next action is invoked. McAfee tech support (now owner of SABER) no longer supports v.5.0, so I get no help on that front. Anyone out there got any clever ideas, other than the network workstation ugrade to Win95 that I cannot afford right now? Thanks in advance, and I hope everyone's summer is going well. -- =============================================================== Peter Collins, Tech. Coord. 202-269-2384 voice direct St. Anselm's Abbey School 202-269-2373 fax 4501 S. Dakota Ave NE pcollins@st-anselms.pvt.k12.dc.us Washington, DC 20017 stanselm@ix.netcom.com From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 1 10:11:52 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Charges for Scanning -Reply -Reply Message-ID: <199708011414.KAA29941@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > >I see scanners - and probably related OCR software - in our future. >Don'tcha think that scanners are going to be the copying machines of the >New Millenium? I predict that we'll have scanners for the same reasons >that libraries installed copiers as Dan mentioned. > Perhaps, but I don't think today's single-purpose flatbed scanners are a likely candidate for general library use. I think it's more likely that as current photocopiers are retired, they'll be replaced with similar looking machines that simply add options like: Print (Copy); Save as TIFF/PDF/RTF (Please Insert Zip Disk or Enter Network Address); E-Mail as TIFF/PDF/RTF (Please Enter Your Address); FAX (Please Swipe Your Calling Card)... This will only work when it becomes as idiot proof as today's photocopiers, if not more so. The prospect of asking a reference or circ desk to handle questions from today's scanning apps is a little scary. ("Hi, I was scanning an article and got a message that Photoshop LX could not open the TWAIN source..." "Hi, I scanned an article yesterday and my computer at home says 'TIFF directory is missing required StripByteCounts field'. Am I missing part of my article?") And on and on. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 1 11:02:12 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970801100212.007a9300@vms.csd.mu.edu> Looking through the specs for HTML 4.0, I notice that is deprecated in favor of style sheets. In fact, there are a number of presentation type tags that are being deprecated in favor of style sheets. I know that deprecated doesn't mean that these elements are obsolete or forbidden, but we're highly discouraged from using them. I've been considering whether to implement style sheets for our library pages, taking into considering that not everyone has a browser that supports all the style sheet elements. In fact, Netscape 3.0+ and IE 3.0+ seem to support varying elements of style sheets. There's an interesting comparison chart of style sheet features supported by Netscape and IE at: http://www.mcp.com/hayden/internet/style/table.html. Anyway, I'm wondering if those of you out there have implemented style sheets in your library web pages, or have any opinions on doing so, or not doing so for the forseeable future. Thanks all, Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Fri Aug 1 11:05:44 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: ISP Liability Message-ID: <01BC9E52.592F24E0@port65.northwest.com> The following letter from Bruce Taylor of the National Law Center to Paul Cardin clarifies the situation regarding ISP liability: National Law Center for Children and Families 4103 Chain Bridge Road, Suite 410 Fairfax, Virginia 22030-4105 (703) 691-4626 (703) 691-4669 Fax July 16, 1997 Just after the Communications Decency Act of 1996 was enacted into law, I outlined the various criminal liabilities attached to the knowing and illegal traffic and transmissions of obscenity, child pornography; and indecency. See the attached NLC Memo on Criminal Liability Under Federal Laws for Obscenity, Child Pornography, and Indecency. The CDA did not change Federal law regarding child porn and hard-core obscenity violations, it merely clarified that use of a common carrier or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce to transmit obscenity was prohibited under 18 U.S.C. ?? 1462, 1465, et al, including by use of computers and interactive computer services, as it is for child pornography under 18 U.S.C. ?? 2252, 2252A et al. The CDA did grant ISPs the same immunity due to telecommunications common carriers for indecency that was sent or displayed to minors, but this special privilege for ISPs as to indecency is not part of prior or present obscenity or child pornography statutes. There are no exceptions for child pornography, even for common carriers. However, Congress in the CDA also extended 'Good Samaritan" immunity from civil liability for defamatory statements of others, by providing that the ISP is not the 'Speaker" of the statement and providing civil immunity for voluntary efforts to restrict offensive materials, legal or not. See 47 U.S.C. ? 230(c), 110 Stat. 133, at 138. These civil protections are still in effect to protect ISPs and online services which take good faith steps to block pornography, even if those steps are not perfectly effective, as recognized in Congress's "Committee Report on the CDA" found at 1996 U.S.C.C.A.N. Leg. Hist.. 110 Stat. 200, at 201and 204. Thus, present federal law, including under the obscenity provisions of the CDA that were not challenged and are still in effect, an ISP is not liable for the defamatory statements of others that have not been adopted by the ISP in other newsgroups or web sites, even though an ISP is criminally liable for the knowing transmission of obscenity and child pornography on Usenet newsgroups or web sites over which the ISP has control. If the ISPs remove, block or restrict availability of certain pornographic newsgroups or web sites, they will be protected for their "Good Samaritan" efforts and this won't affect their protection from civil liability for otherwise slanderous material by others in other newsgroups or sites. Bruce A. Taylor President & Chief Counsel From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 1 11:55:59 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 Message-ID: <199708011557.LAA30684@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Sheryl, thanks for this URL--it's something I've been looking for without success. I have started including stylesheets on our site shortly after MSIE 3.0 came out, although we get comparatively few hits from MSIE and I was about the only person who could see them in action. :-) Stylesheets *should* be completely transparent to browsers that don't support them, so I don't see much of a downside to using them. They aren't impervious to abuse, and browsers that support them can all disable them, so don't make too many assumptions about how your pages will look. Take Netscape 4 to http://www.microsoft.com/typography/css/gallery/slide5.htm and view it with CSS turned on and turned off, to see an extreme example. Both Microsoft and Netscape have made progress on CSS support, but they both have a long way to go. I find it particularly grating that Netscape's implementation requires me to enable Javascript. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu -----Original Message----- From: Sheryl Dwinell To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 11:13 AM Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 >Looking through the specs for HTML 4.0, I notice that is deprecated >in favor of style sheets. In fact, there are a number of presentation type >tags that are being deprecated in favor of style sheets. I know that >deprecated doesn't mean that these elements are obsolete or forbidden, but >we're highly discouraged from using them. I've been considering whether to >implement style sheets for our library pages, taking into considering that >not everyone has a browser that supports all the style sheet elements. In >fact, Netscape 3.0+ and IE 3.0+ seem to support varying elements of style >sheets. There's an interesting comparison chart of style sheet features >supported by Netscape and IE at: >http://www.mcp.com/hayden/internet/style/table.html. Anyway, I'm wondering >if those of you out there have implemented style sheets in your library web >pages, or have any opinions on doing so, or not doing so for the forseeable >future. > >Thanks all, > > > >Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster >Memorial Library * Marquette University >P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 >414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu > > > From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri Aug 1 12:55:22 1997 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: How might a diplomat answer questions on Filters & Libraries? In-Reply-To: <33E14848.F5E8D5A9@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: >Among my personal concerns in this matter is the clear and present >danger that library staff, from top to bottom, will be made >inappropriate objects of public attention by those with religious or >political agendas. " >Tom Perrin This looks like a great spot for the diplomats and politicians on this list to come forward and share great responses to unwanted questions such as filtering. Who has already had the microphone shoved in their face and had 'good' answers? There was one person last year; by now there should be several. Hurry, before I put my foot in my mouth! Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From beane at columbia.dsu.edu Fri Aug 1 14:18:21 1997 From: beane at columbia.dsu.edu (Ethelle S. Bean) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Charges for Scanning Message-ID: <210BF65707B@columbia.dsu.edu> Here at Dakota State University, the Library, with support from Computing Services, maintains a flatbed scanner attached to a non-networked PC loaded with appropriate software for the convenience of our students and faculty. We do not charge for its use. It doesn't generate a great deal of staff work other than a regen to clean out the hard drive now and again. We have created a one page "how to scan" sheet that is laminated to the workstation desk. Mostly, our student workers answer the routine questions. -- Ethelle Bean ___________________________________________________________ Ethelle S. Bean, Director, Karl E. Mundt Library, Dakota State University, Madison SD, 57042-1799. Phone: 605-256-5203 FAX: 605-256-5208 Internet: beane@columbia.dsu.edu Website: www.dsu.edu:80/departments/library/index.html Note: All opinions expressed are my own... Fill in the rest of the standard disclaimer stuff for yourself. Thanks. From jacques at olsn.on.ca Fri Aug 1 13:09:47 1997 From: jacques at olsn.on.ca (Jacques Presseault) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Info request: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line References: <199708011557.LAA30684@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <33E2185A.A1FCBF24@olsn.on.ca> I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access the Internet simultaneously using the same telephone line. Does any one know about such a product? If you do, could you please forward me all relevant information. Thank you. -- Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) http://www.library.on.ca/index.html Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 1 13:51:44 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: More on stylesheets Message-ID: <199708011754.NAA30917@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Sheryl Dwinell's post on stylesheets happened to come while I was poking around a couple of stylesheet sites. The Web Design Group has recently put up a CSS checker/validator at http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/csscheck/ These people also provide top notch information on HTML. The W3C's stylesheet page (http://www.w3.org/Style/) has sprouted pointers to a couple of CSS authoring tools, including Cascade for Macs (http://interaction.in-progress.com/cascade/index) and Sheet Stylist for Win95/NT (http://www.tcp.co.uk/~drarh/Stylist/). I thought HoTMetaL 4.0 was also supposed edit CSS--has anyone tried it yet? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jacques at olsn.on.ca Fri Aug 1 13:52:51 1997 From: jacques at olsn.on.ca (Jacques Presseault) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: simultaneous access to Internet sharing the same phone line Message-ID: <33E22270.D197596C@olsn.on.ca> I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access simultaneously the Internet utilising the same telephone line. Do you know of such a product? And if you do, could you provide me with all the necessary information? Thank you. -- Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) http://www.library.on.ca/index.html Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 1 14:31:46 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Browsing in Context: Subdivision/SubHeading/Facet Display in Online Systems Message-ID: <9708011833.AA31416@library.berkeley.edu> Browsing in Context: Subdivision/SubHeading/Facet Display in Online Systems For my review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri, I am interested in identifying online systems that have incorporated thesauri of an analog (e.g. LCSH) that permits browsing of a SubDivision / SubHeading / Facet with the context of its occurrence within the thesauri vocabulary. Systems that allow for the browsing of a term of a compound subject phrase (e.g. Women college teachers) as well as facet browsing in context within separate and not integrated thesauri are also of interest. As I have three daughters, one wife and three sisters, [and a mother], I'll use 'Women' of my example: Women -- Africa Women--United States--History--20th Century Women and literature--United States--History--20th Century Women Air Pilots--United States--Biography Women in Politics--Great Britain Afro-American Women Social Reformers Urban Women Women College Teachers [You get the idea] I believe that this type of context browsing can/is/could be useful to using in any online system as well as in browsing in a separate thesaurus for term or phrase candidates. Ideally the core term would be a different color, or font, or both. User have/could have/might have the ability to further browse In Context by clicking on any term or phrase to see that term or phrase In Context. Clicking on the item number associated with the given entry would perform a search in the system on that heading. Adjacent to the entry would be the number of records that have been assigned the specific entry. I am particularly interested in any and all relevant literature relating to the theory, practice and/or possibilities of SubDivision/SubHeading/Faceted browsing as I describe it. As always, any leads, suggestions, reactions, critiques, criticisms, comments, citations, celestial insights, etc. are most welcome! Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ P.S.Remember When Key-Word-in-Context (KWOC) Was A Technological Wonder? From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Fri Aug 1 15:50:52 1997 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: simultaneous access to Internet sharing the same phone line Message-ID: Jacques, It sounds like you're looking for a dial-up proxy server. I've had WinGate recommended to me, but have never tried it or any other product in this class. Here are a couple pages listing a few: http://www.davecentral.com/connprox.html http://www.davecentral.com/connprox2.html >I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access >simultaneously >the Internet utilising the same telephone line. > >Do you know of such a product? > >And if you do, could you provide me with all the necessary information? > >Thank you. > >-- >Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca >Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) >http://www.library.on.ca/index.html >Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ellis Computer Services Technician Phone: 604.231.6410 Richmond Public Library Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca Richmond, British Columbia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 1 14:49:08 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 -Reply Message-ID: We're not planning to implement style sheets until MS and NS get their collective acts together. They've signed the agreement that says they'll not develop their own add-ons/modifications independently any more, but imagine it'll take until NS4.1 and IE4.1 or whatever until they've got it merged. Even that doesn't help those who have older tools, but we can never satisfy ALL of the potential users. To me the question of using "new stuff" depends on what happens to it in the "wrong browser". Does the page still function, although "less pretty"? If so, I can probably live with it. But if it really BREAKS some browser since 2.x, then I don't want to touch it. All of this is further compounded by whether the "new stuff" is actually useful, or whether it is the latest version of . o-) cheers dan From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri Aug 1 15:14:40 1997 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Info request: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line In-Reply-To: <33E2185A.A1FCBF24@olsn.on.ca> Message-ID: >I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access >the Internet simultaneously using the same telephone line. > >Does any one know about such a product? Sounds like ISDN (Integrated Services Digital Network). This is a type of copperwire-based phone service though, not a product. I have heard of 28 computers all using one ISDN line with no problems. I have not been one of the 28 so I cannot comment specifically on how well it works. Sacramento Public Library and Pasadena Public Library use it that way. Here is a blurb from the PacBell website (http://www.kn.pacbell.com/edfirst/isdn_equ.html): >Centrex ISDN: Pacific Bell's Basic Rate Interface (BRI) service >available as part of Pacific >Bell's Centrex service. It offers standard >BRI 2B+D interfaces, and uses standard twisted-pair >telephone lines for >voice, data and video communications. With Centrex ISDN, Pacific Bell in >>effect allocates a segment of its central office switch to act as a >dedicated PBX for the >customer's ISDN system. > >Estimated cost: $36.26 per line, per month, plus installation I don't know what the cost would be with the new Discounted Access Services (DAS). There is also a webpage called Internet Access with Multiple Computers (LAN) at http://www.kn.pacbell.com/edfirst/int_lan.html that includes pictures (!!) There is a ton of stuff over at the regular PacBell site too (http://www.pacbell.com) Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From raureli at well.com Fri Aug 1 15:23:56 1997 From: raureli at well.com (Robin Aurelius) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Microsoft Internet Information Server 2 (IIS 2) Message-ID: I am setting up a library server in a large high school, and would like to talk to someone who has experience with the above product. Sincerely Robin Aurelius From manson at mvlc.lib.ma.us Fri Aug 1 16:57:00 1997 From: manson at mvlc.lib.ma.us (Bill Manson MVLC (508) 475-7632) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Filtering and bookstores Message-ID: I hesitate to add to the thread that will not die, but the combination of the ongoing filtering conversation and the 'do libraries compete with bookstores' discussion brings about a line of reasoning that I haven't seen yet. It seems to me that a significant economic justification for a library (any library) is that it brings together a set of information (however defined) resources that is greater than any one of its members could accumulate through purchase. The greater the disparity between the amount of information available in the library and the amount of information available to the individuals in the library's audience, the greater the economic justification for the library. That's what has caused libraries to grow, to co-operate with one another, and to make use of resources from outside their walls. Filtering, whatever its political justification (and I certainly recognize that there _is_ political justification), runs contrary to that economic justification. I would find it difficult to make the argument that I have increased the value of the library by decreasing the amount of information available, and hence the information differential. My opinions only, not the organization's. ************************************************************* * Bill Manson * "This would never * * Executive Director * have happened if * * Merrimack Valley Library Consortium * Judge Landis * * Andover, MA 01810 * or Bud Selig were * * Phone:(508) 475-7632 * still alive." * * Fax: (508) 475-8158 * Mark Heisler * * Email: manson@mvlc.lib.ma.us * * * ************************************************************* From shuli at socrates.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 1 18:33:47 1997 From: shuli at socrates.berkeley.edu (Shuli Roth) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Web gateway to Restricted Newsgroups Message-ID: Hi, We have some restricted local newsgroups that we host on the UC Berkeley campus, which are not accessible from non-campus ip addresses. I am interested in making these newsgroups available for both posting and reading through a local Web server, which will handle the authentication of our users who come from non-campus ip addresses. Do you know of any programs that would allow me to have a Web interface for newsgroups, or alternatively have any of you solved the problem of accessing restricted newsgroups? I saw at http://www.dejanews.com a feature which allows one to post a message to any Usenet newsgroup. I am trying to get more information from dejanews. Any of your ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Shuli Roth From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 1 19:19:58 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Alexa et al. Message-ID: The following is the lead of the following article, courtesy of: http://www.techweb.com/voices/harrow/harrow.html The entire piece at the URL provides some interesting material for all of us, and particularly those interested in developing alternative methods of browsing//finding things on the web. It also tells more about http://www.archive.com/ , a definite must-see site, where the inimitable Brewster Kahle is now trying to archive the whole net. And librarians thought they had a difficult job..... dan The Search Continues By Jeffrey R. Harrow We're comfortable with the Web. We know from our users' perspective how it works. When we want to know about something, we just guess at its company's URL and we usually find it. If we don't, we type in those ol' standby addresses for AltaVista, Yahoo or one of the other major search engines, and it's truly amazing what we can find. But there are reasons why we might want to extend this model. Suppose I'm looking at a page that isn't quite what I want, yet I'm not sure which way to turn. Now, suppose I could somehow pull on your experiences in a similar situation. Suppose I could find out what choices many other people have made, and how well they liked the results. Could this streamline my info-hunting/gathering? Suppose the Web became less of a rigid, one-person experience, and became more, well, collaborative. You may recall some early examples of "collaborative filtering" we've explored in the past, including Digital Equipment's EachMovie and EachToy sites and Firefly. These are pioneering examples of using the Web to expand our knowledge reach beyond straight searching or links. And for several weeks, I've been hearing tantalizing teasers about an innovative new service in this space. Turns out that a new company, Alexa, has released a limited public beta of a free service that will attempt to extend this type of collaboration to the Web at large. In the company's words, Alexa is a free service that works in conjunction with your Web browser to provide where-to-go-next suggestions, behind-the-scenes facts about the site you are visiting, From bary at qadas.com Fri Aug 1 19:30:40 1997 From: bary at qadas.com (P or K Bary) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Info request: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970801233040.0069f22c@qadas.com> There's a product by Bay Networks called Instant Internet that you might want to look into. You can get info from Bay at http://www.baynetworks.com/Products/ We looked into Instant Internet a few months ago because we wanted to provide email for multiple users from one dialup line. This product was highly recommended to me, and I understand it's quite a robust and economical solution for email. For Web access, you may need a faster line, and Instant Internet can accomodate ISDN, 56K or T1. We went another route for several reasons, but none had to do with the quality of the product. Karen Bary Microcomputer Coordinator Arapahoe Library District 5955 S. Holly St. Littleton, CO 80121 (303) 220-7704 bary@qadas.com >Return-Path: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:44:27 -0700 >Errors-To: listchek@library.berkeley.edu >Reply-To: jacques@olsn.on.ca >Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >From: Jacques Presseault >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Info request: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > >I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access >the Internet simultaneously using the same telephone line. > >Does any one know about such a product? > >If you do, could you please forward me all relevant information. > >Thank you. >-- >Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca >Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) >http://www.library.on.ca/index.html >Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 > > From dennis at dati.com Fri Aug 1 19:30:14 1997 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Info request: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line References: <33E2185A.A1FCBF24@olsn.on.ca> Message-ID: <33E27186.1D68@dati.com> Jacques Presseault wrote: > > I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access > the Internet simultaneously using the same telephone line. > > Does any one know about such a product? > > If you do, could you please forward me all relevant information. > > Thank you. > -- > Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca > Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) > http://www.library.on.ca/index.html > Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 One such product is 'Web etc' from Microtest. See http://www.microtest.com/webetc/. It's cheap at $149, doesn't require any special client software, and doesn't require a dedicated server to run it. The idea is that up to 20 users share the same modem connection and if desired, even use the same internet account. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc./CD Solutions Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) mailto:dennis@dati.com Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 From dennis at dati.com Fri Aug 1 20:01:36 1997 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Part II: multiples computers accessing Internet via the same phone line References: <33E27186.1D68@dati.com> Message-ID: <33E278E0.594A@dati.com> Dennis Brantley wrote: > > Jacques Presseault wrote: > > > > I believe there is a product which allows several computers to access > > the Internet simultaneously using the same telephone line. > > > > Does any one know about such a product? > > One such product is 'Web etc' from Microtest. See > http://www.microtest.com/webetc/. > It's cheap at $149, doesn't require any special client software, and > doesn't require a dedicated server to run it. The idea is that up to 20 > users share the same modem connection and if desired, even use the same > internet account. > I have a data sheet on this product, which describes a "Pro" version that I could not find on the web site. The Pro version adds some interesting features: -control which users can access the internet and which sites they can visit (gulp!) -user activity reports and audit logs -adds support for IPX networks -adds support for Mac clients No editorial comment intended, just the facts, ma'am. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc./CD Solutions Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) mailto:dennis@dati.com Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 From SK03 at a1.swt.edu Fri Aug 1 20:34:40 1997 From: SK03 at a1.swt.edu (Sam A. Khosh-Khui 512/245-2288) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: <33E278E0.594A@dati.com> Message-ID: 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a program available? 2. I am looking for a Javascript to display a message for a given Username. Is there such a javascript available? Thanks in Advance for your help. Sam A. Khosh-khui (Sk03@swt.edu) Alber B. Alkek Library Southwest Texas State University From danny at calafia.com Fri Aug 1 17:15:08 1997 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:21 2005 Subject: Search engine listserv? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199708012015.OAA00538@calafia.com> > Does anyone know of a listserv concerned with search engines, internet > searching, etc? Every search engine related mailing list that I know of is at: http://searchenginewatch.com/maillists.htm danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From loretta at panix.com Sat Aug 2 14:17:14 1997 From: loretta at panix.com (Loretta Weiss-Morris) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:22 2005 Subject: Do people "pass by" plain-text sites? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi: I thought I'd tell you about my own experience. I often use a computer that's typical of a lot of folks out there--a 486/50 with a v.34 modem and Windows 3.1. This means I use an older browser too. Again, one reason I do this is that I review a lot of stuff and I like to use technology that represents what many typical office and home users have. (And even the fastest technology ultimately bumps up against the limitations of Internet phone line delivery (unless you're talking about closed Intranet systems). I know a top executive at one of the largest computer training companies in the world. Because of the quality of phone service where he lives and works (a city in the Southeast U.S.), his ability to download web pages is worse than mine!) Anyway, I'm RELIEVED when I come across a site that keeps photos and other non-text stuff to a minumum, as long as the web site pages are designed along good principals (e.g., a couple of eye pleasing colors, enough "white space", and vital information readily findable). Nothing frustrates me more than waiting a long time for a graphic item to download that turns out to be a photo or something else that isn't absolutely necessary for MY benefit. I once waited an incredibly long time for what turned out to be a photo of the company's empty training room--and they were selling courseware--not even training room equipment!) I LOVE sites that make their most important information easy to find, with as little muss and fuss as possible. I'm probably a typical busy adult in that regard. As for kids, I recently witnessed several adolescents give up quickly on Internet-based games because the response time was too slow. Nintendo etc., has spoiled most kids for the typical Internet download time. Sincerely, Loretta Weiss-Morris **************************************************************************** Loretta Weiss-Morris, editor & publisher The Microcomputer Trainer Newsletter FOR A FREE SAMPLE ISSUE, please e-mail, phone, or fax your postal address along with the words "sample issue" e-mail: loretta@panix.com voice: 201-330-8923 fax: 201-330-0163 TO RECEIVE FREE QUICK TRAINING TIPS EACH WEEK VIA EMAIL simply email me with the words "subscribe tips" in the SUBJECT LINE. ************************************************************************** On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: > On another discussion list, in the midst of a debate about the > relative value of graphics on websites, the statement was made > that "there are MANY,MANY people who will pass a plain, text > only (no graphics) site right by." > > Do we actually *know* this? Or is it a WOM (Word Of Mouth)? > > Karen G. Schneider/schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov > Contractor, GCI/Director, US EPA Region 2 Library > http://www.epa.gov/Region2/library/ > > > From narnett at verity.com Sat Aug 2 15:35:24 1997 From: narnett at verity.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:22 2005 Subject: Search engine listserv? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970802193524.00ff043c@corpmail.verity.com> At 06:59 PM 8/1/97 -0700, Danny Sullivan wrote: >> Does anyone know of a listserv concerned with search engines, internet >> searching, etc? It's been fairly quiet lately, but search@mccmedia.com (send "subscribe" in the body of a message to "search-request@mccmedia.com") is just such a list. There's a fair bit of search-related discussion on the robots list -- robots@mccmedia.com. Feel free to stimulate some discussion on the search list. Most of the search vendors monitor it. Nick Product Manager, Categorization and Visualization Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com http://www.verity.com From eroche at sisna.com Sat Aug 2 17:20:03 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:22 2005 Subject: Help: Problems with an Netscape shortcut Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970802142001.00685210@mail.sisna.com> I'm curious, do the other sites you have success with have file name extensions .html? The three letter .htm may be associated with IE in your file extension associations and you will have a devil of a time unassociating it. If I remember correctly, you can't do it. The IE will steal it away from Netscape every single time. A "bug" so to speak. More like a control issue. hahahaha... You may have to edit the .ini file directly. Just something to check out. I read about this IE versus Netscape browser capture at the Netscape Communicator bugs forum. Elisabeth Roche Roche Resources Tucson Arizona eroche@sisna.com (520) 883-4999 serendipity RULES! At 10:40 AM 7/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I am trying to set up a shortcut on Windows 95 to a WWW site, and I'm keep >running into a problem. We have Netscape as our default browser on our >public terminals and currently have over a dozen shortcuts that all work >perfectly. The new one I'm trying to set up is for CenStat >(https://www.census.gov:6868/en/bin/login?Tag=/&URI=/doc/CenStats/doc/EPDB/d >bappweb.htm). If I access this from Netscape, it works fine. However, if >I try to set up a shortcut and then run the shortcut, it tells me Internet >Explorer is not my default browser, do I want to select it? (or something >to that effect). I click on "no" and then it goes into I.E anyway. > >Can anyone offer any help on how to get around this problem? Does it have >to do with the location being a secure site? If I'm going to be stuck with >I.E., is there anyway to run it in a kiosk mode? > >TIA, > >Lisa > > > >Lisa Weber >Electronic Services Coordinator >University of Texas at El Paso >lweber@mail.utep.edu >(915) 747-5066 > > From eroche at sisna.com Sat Aug 2 19:10:51 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:22 2005 Subject: THE ACLU'S SLAPP AT LIBRARIANS Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970802161049.00685320@mail.sisna.com> Mr. Creech, this is replied to you, as last on the thread of discussion. But I am aware that this message really is speaking to Dave(?) of filteringfacts, not you. - Elisabeth --my message-- I think it is important to keep the distinctions between holding a position and the constitutional right to express that position, clear. It appears that filteringfacts blurs the line or more in many of the posts to the library newsgroups. If we lose the right to express our opinions, popular or not, we might as well hand it all over and call the 221 year old grand experiment over. So much for the actualization of the principals of our U.S. republic. Advocacy does go both ways, people with an opposing view do have a right to co-exist in our society. The idea was to allow all the different positions room, no need to repress or outlaw the *opposition.* If the *plan* is *not to restrict your right to express an opinion* but to *make that opinion as lonely as that tree falling in the forest* then IMHO those advocates should study the tactics of others who have managed this by less public and noticeable means. [my words *-for emphasis not quoting purposes] It's a hard sell to convince librarians that there is an inherent good in restricting access to information. Pick on a different group if you expect success. The White House seems like fertile ground these days. Elisabeth Roche Roche Resources eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! At 07:02 PM 7/27/97 -0700, John Creech wrote: > > >On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, filteringfacts wrote: > >> The relationship of the ACLU and the ALA Office of Intellectual Freedom = >> is a long and close one. For decades, the two organizations have worked = >> closely in pursuing legal actions. Judith Krug, head of ALA's Office of = >> Intellectual Freedom is a former board member of the ACLU. ALA = >> intellectual freedom activist Deborah Jacobs is a current ACLU board = >> member.=20 > >The ACLU has also defended the Klan and Oliver North. And Deborah Jacobs >was _Library Journal's_ 1994 Librarian of the Year. So a fair amount of >people think she's doing good work. > >John Creech >Electronic Resources Librarian & Asst. Head of Reference | Central Washington >University Library | 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | 509-963-1081 | >jcreech@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu | >personal mail=jcreech@ellensburg.com >personal pages=larry.ellensburg.com/~jcreech > > > > From dhumphri at ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us Fri Aug 8 09:13:49 1997 From: dhumphri at ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us (Donna Humphries) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:27 2005 Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World Message-ID: <199708091218.IAA00383@ncsl.ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Thursday, 07-Aug-97 08:18 AM From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us ) To: LIBREF-L Moderators \ Internet: (librefed@kentvm.kent.edu) Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Monday, 04-Aug-97 05:48 PM From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us ) To: listproc@library.berkeley.edu \ Internet: (listproc@library. berkeley.edu) Subject: Insider's Computer World Recently we have received a letter from a company called Insider's computer World. They offer a deal that they will sell you computers and software and other products at manufacturer's cost. According to the letter they make their profit by membership fees of $ 69.95 .. Has anyone else heard of this company, Is it legit. It would be a great deal if it offered everything it "sounds" like it offers. D. Humphries dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us Please excuse the cross posting. ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From danforth at tiac.net Fri Aug 8 23:59:18 1997 From: danforth at tiac.net (danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:27 2005 Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World In-Reply-To: <199708091218.IAA00383@ncsl.ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970808235918.387f6a14@sunspot.tiac.net> I did find a web page for them at http://insiderscompworld.com/ Has anyone dealt with them? At 05:56 AM 8/9/97 -0700, Donna Humphries wrote: > >------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- > >Date: Thursday, 07-Aug-97 08:18 AM > >From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us >) >To: LIBREF-L Moderators \ Internet: (librefed@kentvm.kent.edu) > >Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World > > >------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- > >Date: Monday, 04-Aug-97 05:48 PM > >From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us >) To: listproc@library.berkeley.edu \ Internet: (listproc@library. >berkeley.edu) > >Subject: Insider's Computer World > > > >Recently we have received a letter from a company called Insider's computer >World. They offer a deal that they will sell you computers and software >and other products at manufacturer's cost. > >According to the letter they make their profit by membership fees of $ 69.95 >. > >Has anyone else heard of this company, Is it legit. It would be a great >deal if it offered everything it "sounds" like it offers. > >D. Humphries dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us Please excuse the cross posting. > >------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- > > >------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net Co-Director of Librarians' Online Support Team http://www.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mmhung at hknet.com Sat Aug 16 10:47:06 1997 From: mmhung at hknet.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hung_Ming_Michael__=28=BA=B5=BB=CA=29=22?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:32 2005 Subject: about [close cation] Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970816224706.006a9bfc@hknet.com> My library has some VHS tapes bought from the states and have the mark "cc" on the tape packing. What does this mean and what kind of equipment to use this? *************************************************************************** michael hung SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 NIV Homepage = http://www.hknet.com/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@hknet.com [or] mmhung@schoool.net.hk ida email: idayhchan@valise.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From danag at nwnet.newsweek.com Sat Aug 16 13:52:46 1997 From: danag at nwnet.newsweek.com (Gordon, Dana) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:32 2005 Subject: Link checkers Message-ID: The maintenance thread got me interested in link checkers for out *intranet*. I've tried a couple but they consistently have trouble finding my DNS. Can someone offer any suggestions? TIA, Dana Gordon Deputy Director Newsweek Research Center danag@nwnet.newsweek.com From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Sat Aug 16 21:08:57 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:32 2005 Subject: SWISH-Enhanced 1.0 Released References: Message-ID: <33F64F29.48ECB99B@am.appstate.edu> Here are two+ questions in reference to this subject. 1) Has anybody used the built-in indexing in Netscape's Enterprise Server? a)If so, are you sataisfied with its results? 2) What server are you using and does it have its own indexing capabilities? a)If so, are you sataisfied with its results? Thomas Roy Tennant wrote: > SWISH-Enhanced: Fast, Free, and Flexible Web Site Indexing > > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/ > > The UC Berkeley Library has just released version 1.0 of > SWISH-Enhanced, > a powerful and yet easy to setup and use Web site search engine. > SWISH-E > is an upgraded version of the popular SWISH software that has been > freely > available for years from Enterpise Integration Technologies. The > author > of the software (Kevin Hughes) gave permission to the UC Berkeley > Library > to implement bug fixes and major new enhancements, such as support for > > HTML META tags. > > The UC Berkeley Library has also programmed a front-end interface to > SWISH-Enhanced called AutoSwish that provides one-click indexing of > any > site or subdirectory by anyone authorized to create indexes on that > site. > It has never been easier to provide a group of Web authors with a > powerful search capability. It runs under UNIX (tested on Sun Solaris > and > Digital UNIX) and AutoSwish requires Perl. > > SWISH-E's support of HTML META tags now makes it possible to "catalog" > > your Web site, using either developing standards such as the Dublin > Core > or a scheme of your own devising. Even the most complex indexes can be > > easily created by filling out a one-page Web form and allowing > AutoSwish > to take care of the rest. SWISH-E indexes can also be maintained or > removed by any authorized user who accesses the AutoSwish maintenance > Web > page. > > The SWISH-E Web site has demonstrations, information and more. We have > > also established a SWISH-E electronic discussion for answering > questions > and posting updates or useful auxiliary programs. > > Roy Tennant > Digital Library SunSITE > UC Berkeley Library -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Sat Aug 16 21:26:19 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:32 2005 Subject: Link checkers References: Message-ID: <33F6533A.7C52903C@am.appstate.edu> My first thought would be trying the ip address to your server with :80 at the end of it, if the machine your site is running from is the only web site on that machine otherwise your pages may be set to another port number.. Second thought, is there a proxy setting in the link checker that needs setting (probably not). A little more information such as the exact error message wuld be helpful. Thomas Gordon, Dana wrote: > The maintenance thread got me interested in link checkers for out > *intranet*. I've tried a couple but they consistently have trouble > finding my DNS. Can someone offer any suggestions? > > TIA, > Dana Gordon > Deputy Director > Newsweek Research Center > danag@nwnet.newsweek.com -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From stoerger at jaguar.dacc.cc.il.us Sat Aug 16 23:40:13 1997 From: stoerger at jaguar.dacc.cc.il.us (Sharon Stoerger) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:32 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers Message-ID: I read David Rothenberg's article "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' Research Papers" in the August 15, 1997 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education, and I felt compelled to write a Letter to the Editor. The following is my letter I sent to the Chronicle. I thought I would share it with the list in case it wasn't published. Sharon Stoerger Public Services Librarian Danville Area Community College Danville, IL 61832 (217) 443-8739 stoerger@dacc.cc.il.us To the Editor: I think David Rothenberg was looking for a scapegoat to explain the poor quality of his students' papers in his article "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' Research Papers." I cannot believe that this is the first semester he has received poor papers. Nor do I believe that "students have become slackers" due to the invention of computers. The problem is not computers. Many students have never been taught how to even begin the research process let alone produce an acceptable paper. You cannot assume your students have been in the library or know the first thing about finding books or journal articles. Students need to be guided and taught how to do research. A library instruction session combined with very specific requirements for the assignment will probably result in a higher quality product. Mr. Rothenberg seems to believe that all books contain better information than any other resource, especially that taken from the Web. I work in a library that has been in the process of weeding books that are so out-of-date that they provide incorrect data. Certain subjects have changed over the years, such as the role of women and the portrayal of African-Americans. Some students will take any book off the shelf just as easily as they take information off the Web. Critical evaluation skills need to be taught in the classroom and in the library. Some believe that if it's in print, it has to be true. This is applicable to print as well as Web resources. Today's library is rapidly changing due to new technological advances. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Libraries have always been places to retrieve information. Full-text databases and the Web supplement existing collections. This allows patrons to access more resources, not less. It is human nature to procrastinate. People delay completing undesirable tasks until the last possible minute. Computers have not caused students to scramble to write a paper the night before it is due. They have other things they want to do and know they can do well. This might even include reading a New York Times bestseller outside under a tree. I believe librarians and instructors need to work together to help students through the research process and to critically evaluate retrieved resources. Boundaries and guidelines need to be set in order to have a successful assignment. If you do not want Web resources used, state that in the assignment. We need to accept the Web as yet another resource rather than deeming it an evil destroyer. From libram at pp.hw.ac.uk Thu Aug 21 06:27:09 1997 From: libram at pp.hw.ac.uk (Roddy MacLeod) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:37 2005 Subject: Engineering gateway: redesign, new services, new features Message-ID: <9708210927.AA32119@library.berkeley.edu> Members of Web4Lib may be interested in recent developments to EEVL, the Edinburgh Engineering Virtual Library. http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ EEVL has been completely redesigned and features several new services. There are two new bibliographic databases (on Liquid Crystals, and Jet Impingement), new lists of the top 25 engineering web sites in the UK and overall, and various other new services, as well as the searchable main database which now contains descriptions of over 2,250 quality engineering resources, the Recent Advances in Manufacturing bibliographic database, the Offshore Engineering service, the very popular UK Engineering Search Engine, and the engineering newsgroup archive. EEVL is the gateway to engineering information on the Internet. It is free, and should be of interest to librarians, engineers, academics, students, and businesspeople. Roddy MacLeod EEVL Project Manager ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roddy MacLeod Internet: R.A.MacLeod@hw.ac.uk Senior Faculty Librarian Phone: (0131) 451 3576 Heriot-Watt University Fax: (0131) 451 3164 Edinburgh EH14 4AS United Kingdom URL: http://www.hw.ac.uk/libWWW/libram/roddy.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Thu Aug 21 06:01:22 1997 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Fall '97 Tune In the Net Workshops Message-ID: TUNE IN THE NET WORKSHOP: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21ST CENTURY "Tune In the Net Workshop: Global Reach for the 21st Century" is an eight week distance learning workshop focusing on tools for Internet interactivity and conducted via e-mail and the World Wide Web (WWW). The workshop will introduce the beginner to the basic concepts of interactivity, and assist the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a stand-out interactive site. BACKGROUND Interactivity is the ability of the Internet user to alter certain aspects of his or her environment, resulting in useful functionality. It is the method of control and contingent response between user and medium. Some popular terms to describe interactive systems include multimedia, hypermedia, infotainment and edutainment. Interactivity can be as simple as an animation or as complex as a multi-user game played over the Internet. However, most users will find practical interactive applications more useful--applications such as hooking up HTML forms to virtual shopping cart or on-line sales catalog scripts in order to enhance a commercial site. Interactivity provides many ways to obtain input from users, including the ability to make regions of an image active so that a click on a "hot spot" will activate a link to another Web page or initiate some other action. Users may also interact with the Web page itself. Some examples of this include a self-assessment quiz for a Web course, a price comparison calculator for a commercial site, or a decision assistant, such as a color picker. Internet site builders and Web page generators have become increasingly sophisticated, incorporating "wizards" in order to simplify the work of authors. These wizards provide templates and other useful functions that enable authors to produce Web pages with little or no HTML coding by hand. JavaScript and VBScript have been introduced to provide scripting capability for the two most widely used Web browsers, Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer, respectively. These simple-to-use scripting languages allow a content author to write short programs that can be activated by various Web page elements including buttons, forms, backgrounds, and frames. Scripts can also be used to program Web servers, as well as browsers, in order to make content interactive. Server scripts are short programs that provide additional Web server capabilities, such as processing information from Web page forms. The most common way to provide interactivity to Web pages is through Common Gateway Interface (CGI) Web server scripts. Despite their popularity, CGI scripts can be awkward in some cases and may place unnecessary demands on the Web server. When they can be used, browser scripts are usually preferable to server scripts as they cut down on unnecessary requests to the often heavily taxed Web server. With the introduction of the Java language by Sun Microsystems in 1995, the Internet has become a rapidly evolving means for delivering interactive content using text, graphics, audio, and video. Java is quite different from the above mentioned Web server or browser scripting. It is a platform-independent programming language with built-in security and network communications capabilities. Java programs, or applets, can be launched from a Web browser, or may operate independently from the Web, with direct access to the Internet. Several Java builder programs, such as JFactory and Marimba's Bongo, permit experts in a given domain of knowledge, but who have limited programming experience, to produce interactive content using easy-to-use graphical tools. Java is also increasingly being used for application programs, such as word processors, spreadsheets, and database front-ends. Java's built-in networking and security make it ideal for so-called "push" media, wherein applications and content are updated often over a network when new information and new versions of the software become available. For example, a Java-based on-line newspaper can be updated with breaking news on the user's desktop frequently, and automatically, during the day. WORKSHOP CONTENT The Tune In the Net Workshop will focus on how to efficiently and effectively design and use interactive Internet sites. During the workshop you will learn how to: * quickly prototype Web pages and complete sites using page generators and site builders such as Netscape Navigator Gold, Microsoft FrontPage, NetObjects Fusion, and Adobe PageMill and SiteMill. * make Web page forms and link them to useful applications such as databases, key word searches, guest books, and user surveys. * give Web pages an interactive graphical look with client-side image maps. This capability of both Navigator and Internet Explorer permits clicking on different regions of an image in order to link to another Web page or function. * make animations. This often entails using an image-file format that will display multiple frames as the file loads. * use frames, HTML 3.2, as well as Netscape and Microsoft extensions, to customize Web pages. The latter consist of HTML functionality developed separately by each company that has yet to be officially accepted as part of the recognized standard. * use JavaScript and VBScript to give Web pages interactive capabilities, such as personalizing pages with names and e-mail addresses, displaying current date and time, image-flipping to produce buttons that highlight, providing colored backgrounds that appear to fade in from one color to another, and other special effects. * utilize "push" media. For example, to use Netscape's InBox Direct and explore new frontiers such as Marimba channels with Bongo. Bongo is a Java applet, or application builder, that enables one to develop a Java applet or application for Marimba Castanet, a new way of distributing information on the Internet in which programs and content become "channels" on one's computer desktop. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Tune In The Net Workshops are scheduled for this fall: Session III .............. September 2 - October 25 Session IV ............... September 22 - November 15 Session V ................ October 13 - December 6 The cost of the workshop is $40 US.* To sign up for the workshop, please send an e-mail message to: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, place subscribe tune3 to sign up for Session III, or subscribe tune4 to sign up for Session IV, or subscribe tune5 to sign up for Session V. Or, sign up online by pointing to the URL http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html In order to gain maximum advantage from the Tune In the Net Workshop, it will be necessary to have a Web browser, preferably either a recent version of Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer. ABOUT THE AUTHOR The workshop leader, Thomas P. Copley,Ph.D. has successfully taught several on-line courses in the past, including, most recently, "Make the Link Workshop" during 1995 and 1996, and the "Go-pher-it Workshop" in 1994. He has been actively involved in on-line teaching for more than a decade, and has been a consultant to Apple Computer, Inc. He is also one of the founders of the Electronic University, and has been on the faculty of Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and Washington State University. He is the editor of an electronic newsletter, the Telelearning Network Synthesizer. ----- * A 12.5% discount is available to anyone who has already participated in "Make the Link Workshop"(MLW), or intends to do so now. While not a prerequisite for the "Tune In the Net Workshop"(TINW), MLW provides complimentary information that may also be of interest to many participants in TINW. With the discount the cost of TINW is $35US, and for MLW the cost is $20. For both workshops the cost is $55. For more information about MLW, send email to links-ad@arlington.com or access the URL . ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Make the Link Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From CMUNSON at aaas.org Thu Aug 21 09:24:04 1997 From: CMUNSON at aaas.org (CMUNSON) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <000922C3.1205@aaas.org> Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned political activist will tell you. Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? I'm having a problem seeing the grass roots movement behind the Filtering Facts organization. So far it looks like a mouthpiece for David's views, which he is of course entitled to. Chuck0 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Author: filteringfacts at Internet Date: 8/20/97 7:54 PM Brock Meeks, cyber columnist for MSNBC, has written a column about me called "The Case of the "Radical" Librarian" See http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp I'm finally starting to make some headway in my battle to counter ALA's views on filtering. David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From rviolett at socialaw.com Thu Aug 21 04:25:26 1997 From: rviolett at socialaw.com (Richard John Violette) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape Ghosts Message-ID: <33FBFB76.3DDF@socialaw.com> Dear Web4Libs, I am having a strange problem with Netscape on my computer; I hope you can help me out. I am running Netscape Gold 3.01, but this problem also occurred using Netscape Navigator 3.0. That is, when I go from one web page to another, parts of the text of the old page are not clearing from the browser and are being incorporated into the new page; or the new page loaded will contain garbage characters after the first few lines; or I get a page with a background and no other text or graphics at all. On some occasions, the "ghosts" of past pages in the session will show up unexpectedly several pages later. Reloading sometimes, but not always, clears the problem. Has anyone encountered this problem before, or have any solutions or guesses on what the problem may be? Thanks, /s/ RJV -- Richard J. Violette | 1200 Court House | "He chose to be Catalog Librarian I | Boston MA 02108 | rich, by making Social Law Library | Vox: (617) 523-0018, x318 | his wants few." rviolett@socialaw.com | Fax: (617) 523-2458 | --Emerson From clocke at panix.com Thu Aug 21 08:11:13 1997 From: clocke at panix.com (Christopher Locke) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt In-Reply-To: <000922C3.1205@aaas.org> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970821081113.00851bc0@popserver.panix.com> I consider myself a guest on this list, not being a librarian myself, so you can kick me off it if you like. But what I really find annoying -- and I've seen it several times here and been the object of it once myself -- is this talk of so-called "self-promotion." The issue of filtering is certainly germane to this list, and Brock Meeks (who happens to be a good friend) is hardly some newbie yahoo; he's written some of the strongest stuff on the net about the First Amendment -- and often seriously risked his ass to do so. I'd say his column is worthy of discussion on the issues it raises (or ignores). The self-promotion gambit is a a patent ruse to short-circuit free exchange. I wonder whether, if David Burt (whom I do not know at all) hadn't posted a notice of this article himself, it would have shown up here at all. Collectively ignoring unpopular ideas is surely an odd approach to making them "go away" -- and, I would venture, unworthy of a profession for which I have much respect. Just for the record, none of this should be taken to indicate that I place myself in the pro-filtering camp. I just dislike power-tripping and intimidation from *any* quarter. best chris At 06:26 AM 8/21/97 -0700, CMUNSON wrote: > Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned > political activist will tell you. > > Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? > > I'm having a problem seeing the grass roots movement behind the > Filtering Facts organization. So far it looks like a mouthpiece for > David's views, which he is of course entitled to. > > Chuck0 > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt >Author: filteringfacts at Internet >Date: 8/20/97 7:54 PM > > >Brock Meeks, cyber columnist for MSNBC, has written a column about me called >"The Case of the "Radical" Librarian" > >See http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp > >I'm finally starting to make some headway in my battle to counter ALA's views on >filtering. > >David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org >David_Burt@filteringfacts.org > > From rmorgan at Harding.edu Wed Aug 20 21:38:38 1997 From: rmorgan at Harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt In-Reply-To: <000922C3.1205@aaas.org> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821083838.0094de30@adminpop.harding.edu> At 06:36 AM 8/21/97 -0700, CMUNSON wrote: > Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned > political activist will tell you. Any political activist will also tell you that any press is good press, and this was GOOD press. > Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? > > I'm having a problem seeing the grass roots movement behind the > Filtering Facts organization. So far it looks like a mouthpiece for > David's views, which he is of course entitled to. Personally, I find it more annoying that everyone wants this issue to simply go away. No matter how much David is attacked and ridiculed, the issue will still be there, and it will still need to be dealt with, logically. I realize that this isn't the place to *discuss* the issue, but since I unsubscribed from FILT4LIB because of the attacks and illogical arguments, I appreciate seeing his updates as they keep me up to date with the latest information. Ronnie Disclaimer: Views expressed are mine and mine alone. My views or opinions are NOT representative to Harding University. From JLynch at pobox.bccc.state.md.us Thu Aug 21 10:51:41 1997 From: JLynch at pobox.bccc.state.md.us (James Lynch) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: Yes, I agree that Mr. Burt's pointing out this article shows a distressing lack of modesty. James P. Lynch Public Service/Electronic Resources Librarian Baltimore City Community College jlynch@bccc.state.md.us >---------- >From: CMUNSON@aaas.org[SMTP:CMUNSON@aaas.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 09:27 >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: MSNBC Column on David Burt > > Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned > political activist will tell you. > > Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? > > I'm having a problem seeing the grass roots movement behind the > Filtering Facts organization. So far it looks like a mouthpiece for > David's views, which he is of course entitled to. > > Chuck0 > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt >Author: filteringfacts at Internet >Date: 8/20/97 7:54 PM > > >Brock Meeks, cyber columnist for MSNBC, has written a column about me called >"The Case of the "Radical" Librarian" > >See http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp > >I'm finally starting to make some headway in my battle to counter ALA's views >on >filtering. > >David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org >David_Burt@filteringfacts.org > From rmorgan at Harding.edu Wed Aug 20 21:48:34 1997 From: rmorgan at Harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970821081113.00851bc0@popserver.panix.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821084834.00996d80@adminpop.harding.edu> At 07:49 AM 8/21/97 -0700, Christopher Locke wrote: >I just dislike >power-tripping and intimidation from *any* quarter. Do I hear an AMEN? Ronnie Disclaimer: Views expressed are mine and mine alone. My views or opinions are NOT representative to Harding University. From rhubsher at cornwall.library.on.ca Thu Aug 21 11:01:47 1997 From: rhubsher at cornwall.library.on.ca (Robert Hubsher) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Response to "the Case of the "Radical" Librarian] Message-ID: <33FC585B.BF8C4D34@cornwall.library.on.ca> I thought I would share with Web4Lib the e-mail I sent to Mr. Brock Meeks as my response to his article about David Burt. You might call it "Filtering Facts the unauthorized version". -- Robert Hubsher, CEO Cornwall Public Library 45 Second Street, East P.O. Box 939 Cornwall, Ontario, Canada K6H 5V1 613-932-4796 (voice) 613-932-2715 (fax) rhubsher@cornwall.library.on.ca -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Robert Hubsher Subject: Response to "the Case of the "Radical" Librarian Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:51:05 -0400 Size: 3248 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19970821/725af1f1/attachment.eml From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 21 11:04:28 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks (fwd) Message-ID: I just sent this to Mr. Meeks. If I receive a reply, and receive permission to post it, you will see it here as well. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Roy Tennant To: brock.meeks@msnbc.com Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks Mr. Meeks, I am responding to your piece "The Case of the Radical Librarian" (http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp). Specifically, this paragraph: "This issue is too serious to be resolved overnight. There must be a full, public debate on the issues before the community and its library decide together what course to take. Surely librarians aren't afraid of healthy debate. Or are they?" This has, and is, being debated (some would say ad nauseum). I manage the electronic discussion Web4Lib (web systems and libraries), and I can assure it you it is being debated long and hard. Our traffic jumped 50% in June and July when this issue was being most hotly debated. Go see for yourself at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive.html. This subject has also been discussed on PubLib (public libraries, the archive is at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/archive.html). Mr Burt also recently had an article published in American Libraries, the journal of the American Library Association. American Libraries is mailed to all the members, some 50,000 librarians worldwide. We are not in the least "afraid of debate." Our profession is founded on such principles as the freedom to read, open access to information, and the rights and responsibilities of a free society. I therefore find your insinuation that the library profession is trying to stifle dissent in general, or Mr. Burt in particular, to be insulting. Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From rmorgan at Harding.edu Wed Aug 20 22:25:49 1997 From: rmorgan at Harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821092549.00948720@adminpop.harding.edu> At 08:08 AM 8/21/97 -0700, James Lynch wrote: >Yes, I agree that Mr. Burt's pointing out this article shows a >distressing lack of modesty. I can hear the topic police sirens coming this way... Modesty has nothing to do with it. When you are the only one running a business, you have no publicity department to make such announcements for you, YOU are the publicity department. The only reason why this arguement has been made is because you don't agree with him and would rather he go away. Ronnie Disclaimer: Views expressed are mine and mine alone. My views or opinions are NOT representative to Harding University. From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Thu Aug 21 06:32:51 1997 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape Ghosts In-Reply-To: <33FBFB76.3DDF@socialaw.com> Message-ID: <199708211528.KAA24605@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:54:52 -0700 > From: Richard John Violette > Dear Web4Libs, > > I am having a strange problem with Netscape on my computer; I hope you > can help me out. > > I am running Netscape Gold 3.01, but this problem also occurred using > Netscape Navigator 3.0. That is, when I go from one web page to > another, parts of the text of the old page are not clearing from the > browser and are being incorporated into the new page; or the new page > loaded will contain garbage characters after the first few lines; or I > get a page with a background and no other text or graphics at all. On > some occasions, the "ghosts" of past pages in the session will show up > unexpectedly several pages later. Reloading sometimes, but not always, > clears the problem. > > Has anyone encountered this problem before, or have any solutions or > guesses on what the problem may be? One possibility is that the file allocation table for the cache has become corrupted and has mislabelled cached files, so that your browser thinks it can save time and bandwidth by using these incorrect portions of other pages instead of retrieving the real thing over the network. You might try clearing the cache altogether, or deleting all files (including the fat.db) from the cache directory by hand. You might also run Scandisk (or its Mac equivalent) to see if there are logical problems on your hard drive. Hope you get this cleared up. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Network Services Librarian Automation Department voice: 713/247-2264 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-1182 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Thu Aug 21 11:13:54 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <01BCAE0C.6BA446E0@port86.northwest.com> Chuck Munson wrote: Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned political activist will tell you. Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? I'm having a problem seeing the grass roots movement behind the Filtering Facts organization. So far it looks like a mouthpiece for David's views, which he is of course entitled to. David Burt Responds: Just a minute, Chuck! I remember you "self promoting" the Chicago Tribune colunm about *YOU* a few months ago on this very list. David Burt, Filtering Facts From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 11:34:53 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape Ghosts -Reply Message-ID: I've not seen that particular problem, but since there are known bugs in the versions you refer to, why not go to NS site and download either 3.03 or 4.02. AND, if you all haven't noticed, you can now download Navigator 4.02 itself, without all the baggage of Communicator. (I know NS wants me to change to THEIR clients for TN3270, Netnews, email, etc, but I'm just not interested) dan From jbauman at nslsilus.ORG Thu Aug 21 13:42:35 1997 From: jbauman at nslsilus.ORG (jbauman@nslsilus.ORG) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems-Summary Message-ID: <33FC7E0B.17A2@nslsilus.org> Thanks to all those who responded for my request for help. Here is a summary of the responses I received. >Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No Pages to print." This problem is a problem with how Netscape handles a page with cgi created elements not a problem related to a specific printer(s). Suggestions: 1--Upgrade to Communicator. List members with the newer version of Netscape had no problems printing from the test site. 2--Try to print from Print Preview. 3--Try turning the images off and loading the page, then only loading the needed images (if any) one at a time, then printing. 4--One list member wrote that she sometimes gets the same "no pages to print" message if the scroll bar is not right at the top of the page. After taking the the scroll bar to the top, she was able to print. 5--My solution is to save the page to a disk, open the file, and print. >Problem #2: Some pages will not print on the DeskJet 600 series printers. >A message appears about a printer driver problem or a GPF that points to >the printer. Suggestions: 1--Sometimes colors of pages are not those that the printer can recognize. Go into the preferences in the appearance area and fonts. Then set the color to black and check the always use my colors. 2--Using the most recent driver is not necessarily the best thing. Two list members use an earlier model's driver. Skip Booth of Anne Arundel County Public Library, uses hp 500 drivers in both the 540 and 660. Michael Iorns of Waikato University Library, New Zealand wrote "with DeskJets I have often had trouble printing where the monitoring software interferes (hppropty etc) and my effective solution has been to use an earlier model's driver, for example using a deskjet 540 driver to print to a 600, and a 660c to print to a 670c. There are sometimes incompatibilities where an older driver, particulary a 5xx being using for a 6xx, will print out "really huge", but afaik the 540 will rpint well to the 600." Thanks again for all your help. **************************************** Jennifer Baumann Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian Highland Park Public Library 494 Laurel Ave. Highland Park, IL 60035 PH (847) 432-0216 FX (847) 432-9139 jbauman@nslsilus.org From 4CTY_DEIRDRE at 4cty.org Thu Aug 21 11:39:28 1997 From: 4CTY_DEIRDRE at 4cty.org (DEIRDRE F. WOODWARD) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: David Burt Message-ID: <970821113928.1a61@4cty.org> I'm also finding David's self-promotion very annoying. David--this listserv is not about you. Deirdre From Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU Thu Aug 21 11:48:11 1997 From: Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU (Karen V. Odato) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: ATTENTION NEW ENGLAND LIBRARIANS!! Message-ID: <29259245@prancer.Dartmouth.EDU> CALL FOR PRESENTERS!! Cross posted. Please excuse the duplication. Dartmouth College's Biomedical Libraries and NEBIC, the bibliographic instruction committee of ACRL/New England are presenting "Creative Web-Based Library Education Projects: Distance Learning and Bibliographic Instruction". Scheduled for Thursday Oct 23, 1997, this day-long event will be held at Dartmouth College in beautiful Hanover, New Hampshire (an easy 2-hour drive from Boston, Springfield MA, and many other New England locations). Have you put together a web-based education site that you could discuss and demonstrate to your colleagues? General orientation, course-integrated, distance-learning, and bibliographic instruction sites in any subject field are all of interest. If you would like to put together an informal presentation lasting between 15-20 minutes plus question/discussion time, please contact (phone or email) one of us by Friday September 5, the sooner the better. (You don't have to have your presentation finished by then, but we need to have the program planned as soon as possible.) Publicity flyers/registration forms will be sent out once the program is in place. We have room capacity for 60 participants. We hope to hear from you soon. Karen Odato karen.odato@dartmouth.edu 603-650-8562 Connie Rinaldo connie.rinaldo@dartmouth.edu 603-650-1635 From transit at primenet.com Thu Aug 21 11:49:44 1997 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue In-Reply-To: <199708202132.QAA22102@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Interesting discussion about the bookstore-enabled library catalog at http://www.pgi.edu. As the person who developed that catalog, and made the decision to link to Amazon, let me jump in here . . . A few months ago, we (Phillips Graduate Institute) set up a partnership with Amazon so that students, patients (in our counseling programs) and other interested persons could easily obtain books used in our classes and programs. We picked Amazon because, at the time, it was the only online bookstore in existence (Barnes and Noble had not come on line yet). The reimbursement Amazon provides was also attractive, as it somewhat compensated for the revenue lost by people purchasing books through Amazon, rather than using our bookstore (which, admittedly, has very limited hours . . .) At the same time, I was working on a Web-based online catalog for the library collection. Due to the cost of the commercial products, a decision was made to create one in-house. I wrote the perl script that reads the modified index files (from commercial products) and displays them as HTML pages. While I was writing the "catalog card" display routines, I was looking at the ISBN field, and remembered that searches for books on Amazon could be done by ISBN. At that point, it was easy to make the ISBN field a link to Amazon. (As with the "bookstore", these links are set up to utilize our "partnership" with Amazon) As far as I know, this is the only online library catalog anywhere that does this. Now, on to some of the issues brought up here: 1. Ethics of the Amazon reimbursement. This is part of the Amazon "partnership" agreement and, is not illegal* as such, although it cause a problem in some settings. In other settings, it might be appropriate to indicate to the user that such an arrangement is taking place. 2. Ethics of using Amazon, as opposed to a competitive bid situation This might be a problem for a state college/university library, or a public library; governmental institutions are usually legally required to have competitive bids for products and services (there are a few exceptions). Since PGI is a private institution, I don't see it as a legal problem for us, (*although I am not a legal professional) 3. Taxation issues. The whole issue of various jurisdictions (Fed, state, county, city, etc) taxing transactions made via Internet is still unresolved. Currently, most of these transactions are probably not taxed by any governmental agency; this might change in the future. 4. Local bookstores: Most of our materials are textbooks that are not often carried in "consumer" (i.e. non-academic) bookstores anyway. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / (also:hobbs@pgi.edu) / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 12:06:08 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Self Promotion Message-ID: Wow, we are tense today, aren't we? I'm a churchgoing Christian of a mainstream denomination who completely disagrees with the views of those who promote filtering. However, I'm pleased he gave the citation here, as I might not have known of it otherwise. I check MSNBC on occasion, and see many of Brock's fine articles in various places, but could have missed this one, which is of course well done. I do find it interesting that those opposed to selfpromotion also happen to be those opposed to David's beliefs, and those who support it agree with him. o-) As to self promotion, I'll agree that ANY politician, political activist, or actor should self promote, and that they believe any press is better than no press, at least as long as your name or your cause's name is spelled right. As librarians (though I know some of us aren't) we should always be in favor of first amendment rights, including giving such rights to Nazis, those espousing causes or beliefs that we find abhorrent, those who think they'll find a spaceship behind a comet, etc. No more on that as I do NOT want to start a filtering discussion here. I'm one who has NOT joined the filt4lib group as I don't think there is anything new to say on the matter that hasn't been said before. o-) cheers cyclops, who doesn't do politics any more From JLynch at pobox.bccc.state.md.us Thu Aug 21 12:24:37 1997 From: JLynch at pobox.bccc.state.md.us (James Lynch) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: I object. I have no desire for anyone to go away. What I meant to express, in a perhaps too terse way, was that having been written up in the national press, it showed a lack of modesty to then go to lengths to point out this fact. Mr. Burt's need for publicity have been amply rewarded by the original article. If someone else wished to discuss that article, that would give him more publicity. But to press it on people, unasked for, is, as I pointed out, distressingly immodest. Jim Lynch jlynch@bccc.state.md.us >---------- >From: Ronnie Morgan[SMTP:rmorgan@Harding.edu] >Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 12:10 >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: MSNBC Column on David Burt > >At 08:08 AM 8/21/97 -0700, James Lynch wrote: >>Yes, I agree that Mr. Burt's pointing out this article shows a >>distressing lack of modesty. > >I can hear the topic police sirens coming this way... > >Modesty has nothing to do with it. When you are the only one running a >business, you have no publicity department to make such announcements for >you, YOU are the publicity department. The only reason why this arguement >has been made is because you don't agree with him and would rather he go >away. > > > >Ronnie > >Disclaimer: Views expressed are mine and mine alone. My views or opinions >are NOT representative to Harding University. > From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Thu Aug 21 07:50:56 1997 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199708211646.LAA06049@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:49:48 -0700 > From: Roy Tennant > We are not in the least "afraid of debate." Our profession is founded on > such principles as the freedom to read, open access to information, and > the rights and responsibilities of a free society. I therefore find your > insinuation that the library profession is trying to stifle dissent in > general, or Mr. Burt in particular, to be insulting. Perhaps not the profession as a whole, but as an observer of the debate I came away with a definite sense that quite a few individuals feel that the subject of filtering in libraries ought to be taboo, and that even to consider it is a betrayal of our ideals (or ideology). Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Network Services Librarian Automation Department voice: 713/247-2264 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-1182 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Thu Aug 21 07:50:57 1997 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Response to "the Case of the "Radical" Librarian] In-Reply-To: <33FC585B.BF8C4D34@cornwall.library.on.ca> Message-ID: <199708211646.LAA06051@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:38:42 -0700 > From: Robert Hubsher > Dear Mr. Meeks, > > I think you have the story a little topsy-turvy. I, as a librarian, am > not ganging up on Mr. Burt nor do I believe that my profession thinks he > is an "extremist" or "unethical" he is simply wrong. His position that > we can "tweak" filter software to avoid unintentional censorship ignores > the nature of the English language. How does one differentiate between > the word "breast" used in a pornographic context (if that is possible) > as opposed to the context of "breast" cancer or "breast" feeding? And > what is pornography, anyway? Is not the decision as to what is and what > is not pornography a matter for the courts and not for libraries to > decide? Not that I advocate filtering, but most of the filtering software I have evaluated (proxy-based) either doesn't block by keyword or has that option turned off by default. While filtering software has other problems, I think that this canard ought to be abandoned. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Network Services Librarian Automation Department voice: 713/247-2264 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-1182 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Thu Aug 21 12:48:21 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: logins, leading to UNIX access In-Reply-To: <24636153.3081141424@ganges.lit.cwru.edu> Message-ID: For you web4lib readers, I'm expanding a discussion from the Innopac mailing list, as I think it has interesting and serious implications, and I can see how you enjoy a good debate. On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Peter Murray wrote: > In the INNOPAC world, libraries typically do not have access to the UNIX > shell to make such changes... Let me preface my remarks by stating that I am not a librarian; rather I am a computer software author, consultant, etc., with 20 years experience (yes, there were computers before PCs). A critical issue in any organization that buys software, or a hardware-software bundled package, is degree of access. In a larger sense, it's an issue of degree of ownership. This has long been an issue, and often "where you stand depends on where you sit." A vendor supplying a software system to many customers has an interest in keeping each customer's system "pure". If the customer can fiddle with things, that may increase the amount of work the vendor has to do in debugging, maintaining, and upgrading the system. The customer, on the other hand, may have an interest in making things work better, adapting faster to new technologies, doing additional unrelated tasks on the same hardware, plugging in "unauthorized" peripherals, generating non-standard reports, protecting their data from catastrophe, and so forth. Many years ago, it was common practice to do "one stop shopping", buying hardware, software, consulting, maintenance, and even paper from one of the major suppliers, who shall remain nameless. These vendors often imposed restrictions that would strike us as absurd today. A customer could violate a maintenance contract by plugging in a foreign printer or terminal. File layouts were something you "didn't need to know". The vendor could keep things working, while boosting profits by keeping a lock on the customers. The problem was, there were many things the vendor didn't do. If they hadn't solved your problem, you had nowhere to turn, other than to throw it all out when your contract was up, and hope you could migrate your data. Ah, but I wax historical... Let's fast forward to the present. We now work in an era of more-or-less open standards: terminal types, printer types, TCP/IP, operating systems, etc. But we still often have situations where the vendor can't or won't deliver ALL the solutions we need. To fashion a metaphor, if the marriage goes bad, do you want all the money in one account? The issues are access and ownership. To what degree can you access the hardware/software systems that you own? Is this stated in the contract you have with your vendor? Following are some pointed questions, drawn from years of experience. * Who has the root password? Do you? Is it locked up somewhere? What happens if the vendor has business problems? * Are you free to separate your hardware maintenance from your software maintenance? Can you shop around for hardware maintenance? * Are you able to add a new disk drive, or replace one? * What minor tweaks can you make to the system for changes in terminal type, login messages, printer models, etc.? * Can you protect your investment in information (your data) if something happens to your vendor? Short term? Long term? * If you find a local guru who, you believe, can make minor changes to make things work better, will that get you in trouble with your vendor? * Is your vendor amenable to a security audit? Does the vendor represent a security risk? What could a vendor's disgruntled or fired employee do to your system? In conclusion, let me state my personal opinion. The customer owns the system, and the data on the system. The customer has the most interest in protecting the system, and the most responsibility for protecting that investment. The customer organization needs to have an accurate assessment of its technical expertise or lack thereof, in order to prevent damaging the system. But ultimately the control of the system must rest with the customer. Just stirring things up, and interested in other opinions, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Thu Aug 21 12:58:53 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: David Burt In-Reply-To: <970821113928.1a61@4cty.org> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970821115853.007bb840@vms.csd.mu.edu> Hey y'all: Why are we providing more fuel for David's fire? He'll just take all your emails and tuck them away to wave in the face of some other gullible media wag to show how we all (of course, we all represent the entire library profession, right?) hate him and want him to 'go away'. Gotta try to have some sense of humor about all this. :) Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From Pilon.Danielle at ic.gc.ca Thu Aug 21 13:16:13 1997 From: Pilon.Danielle at ic.gc.ca (Pilon, Danielle: IHAB) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <1997Aug21.130045.1255.613463@msmail.ic.gc.ca> I can't believe I'm coming out of lurk mode for something this trivial, but I do feel very strongly about what constitutes good netiquette on mailing lists... Christopher Locke wrote: >>At 06:26 AM 8/21/97 -0700, CMUNSON wrote: >> Believing one's press does not a revolutioon make, as any seasoned >> political activist will tell you. >> >> Does anybody else find David's self-promotion annoying? > >what I really find annoying -- and I've seen it several times here and >been the object of it once myself -- is this talk of so-called >"self-promotion." > >I wonder whether, if David Burt (whom I do not know at all) >hadn't posted a notice of this article himself, it would have >shown up here at all. > >Just for the record, none of this should be taken to indicate >that I place myself in the pro-filtering camp. I just dislike >power-tripping and intimidation from *any* quarter. Well, I dislike having my disk space hogged by anyone. Mr. Burt is entitled to post his citation to this list, as many other subscribers do. But they are usually polite enough to email _only_ the citation (paper or web). Sending the whole article, as he did, is **rude.** It's especially annoying to anyone who receives this list in digest form (like me) and had to scroll down past lines & lines of it in order to read the next message. It's not that I don't appreciate Mr. Burt's messages -- indeed, I'm thankful that he keeps us informed of his one-man crusade ;-) But providing us with a pointer to his interview, in case we feel inclined to read it, is sufficient. Assuming that we all want to see it right away is a little presumptuous. Thanks for listening to my Emily Post impression.... Danielle Pilon // pilon.danielle@ic.gc.ca LibraryNet Industry Canada Phone 613-941-8230 Fax 613-941-1296 From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Aug 21 13:27:34 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt References: Message-ID: <33FC7A86.4B1@morrisville.edu> James Lynch wrote: > > Yes, I agree that Mr. Burt's pointing out this article shows a > distressing lack of modesty. > > James P. Lynch > Public Service/Electronic Resources Librarian > Baltimore City Community College > jlynch@bccc.state.md.us While I disagree strongly with David Burt's viewpoint, hw did the right thing by announcing the article. Modesty has nothing to do with it. When my book came out a year and a half ago I sent out announcements about it to the lists I participate in. Yes, that is self-promotion but there is nothing wrong with that. I don't care if there is a grass roots movement behind the Filtering Facts organization or not. We must all be kept informed on this issue and the MSNBC column was a very well written one. Lets stop whining about so-called "self-promotion". After all, listservs and webpages are the biggest vanity presses ever. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ SUNYLA'97: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/sunyla/sunyla97.htm Support the anti-Spam amendment: Join at http://www.cauce.org/ -- From sbreiden at connect.bedlib.org Thu Aug 21 13:57:39 1997 From: sbreiden at connect.bedlib.org (Susie Breidenbach) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape mail problem Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821125739.0079db30@connect.bedlib.org> This is a Fortress/Netscape problem and I would appreciate any advice. Lately, when we open Netscape (ver. 3.0 on Windows 95) on our public pc's we're getting a gray box with a message which reads: "Unable to open outgoing mail file. Please update your mail composition preferences before sending mail". The thing is, we've never sent mail from these machines. We just upgraded to Fortres 2.51d. Does anyone know how to get rid of this box? Thanks. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Susie Breidenbach Technology Coordinator/Librarian Bedford Public Library 1323 "K" Street Bedford, IN 47421 (812) 275-4471 x.301 sbreiden@bedlib.org http://www.bedlib.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From CMUNSON at aaas.org Thu Aug 21 14:06:38 1997 From: CMUNSON at aaas.org (CMUNSON) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <00092825.1205@aaas.org> ____________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: MSNBC Column on David Burt Author: filteringfacts at Internet Date: 8/21/97 9:19 AM David Burt Responds: Just a minute, Chuck! I remember you "self promoting" the Chicago Tribune colunm about *YOU* a few months ago on this very list. David Burt, Filtering Facts Uhh, I think I mentioned that I was disturbed that a reporter quoted me without my permission. My personal policy to to avoid getting my name in newspapers. I let my guard down with Mr. Zorn. I've since been very careful when I write cranky letters to newspapers. Anyway, you cite these newspaper articles as evidence that the you are advancing in your battle against ALA's policy on filtering. While it might be nice for your cause to get mentioned, it seldom helps you gain new members to your cause. I've been a grass roots political activist for over 10 years and I've come to really understand the limitations of relying on media soundbites to advance your cause. You are to be congratulated for getting mentioned, since your viewpoint should certainly be heard. Most of us just disagree with it. Chuck0 From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 14:11:29 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems-Summary -Reply Message-ID: One more point on this, and all my comments relate to Win95 versions, but believe them to be true of others as well. To upgrade NS Navigator 3.02 and earlier there are a couple more options. Use NS3.03, which since I installed it on my machine have had NO problems with printing, as did with earlier versions. Same for about fifty staff users. YMMV, of course. And, you CAN upgrade now without going to the blasted Communicator with all of its bloat and unneeded goodies for most of us. I'd NEVER put Communicator on a public workstations. You can NOW get NS Navigator 4.02 without the rest of the goodies. No page creation, no email, no this and that. Just the basics, plain vanilla (well, not sure it is plain vanilla, but it is in comparison to communicator). dan From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 21 14:23:03 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks (fwd) Message-ID: Brock is kindly permitting me to post his reply to my earlier message. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:31:20 -0700 From: Meeks, Brock To: 'Roy Tennant' Subject: RE: Open letter to Brock Meeks Thanks for your message. I don't believe that I was "insinuating" the librarians are trying to stifle Burt, I simply reported what his Email looked like and they were not happy with him. But stifle? No. As for debate, read the paragraph again... I'm not talking about *professional* debate; I'm talking about each library taking the debate to the public, to the people that pay their salaries and use their wonderful resources. Have the librarians make their case to the public, not "preach to the choir" as it were. If the community they serve agrees that that filtering is not for them, so be it. But the debate should be with the public, as well as among professional. Sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't' my intention at all. --Brock From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 14:19:51 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: NY Times Article on Filtering Mentions Filtering Facts -Reply Message-ID: >>> filteringfacts 08/20/97 11:41pm >>> Today's NY Times has an article entitled "ACLU Attacks Filter Software = in Libraries" at http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/law/082197law.html "When I went to college, = the library there had TVs that only got CNN and PBS. Everything else was blocked. Nobody said that was censorship." ------------ I'm sure that is true at the college David attended. It is not the college that most of us would have chosen to attend. I attended a similar college for one year in the early sixties and didn't choose to return. But I don't doubt David's word on that or anything else regarding his own sincerely held beliefs. Of course I don't doubt the reality of the Pope's sincerely held beliefs either, I just don't believe that either of them should impose them on others. I DO believe they have full rights to espouse them, however, at least if the topic is relevant to the forum in which it is being discussed. And I have full rights to use my delete key,too. o-) I have one question, however.....there is no indication of "outside support" for filteringfacts, although there is certainly some cost in the domain name, web service, etc. David, is that paid for strictly from your own pocket, or is there a company (such as a filter company), a church, a political group, a wealthy benefactor, or anyone else helping to support the site? I'll take you at your word, but a public answer will be appreciated. thanks dan From DILEWIS at IGSRGLIB01.ER.USGS.GOV Thu Aug 21 14:36:08 1997 From: DILEWIS at IGSRGLIB01.ER.USGS.GOV (Diane Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Discussion Message-ID: <1C41A4C55F6@igsrglib01.er.usgs.gov> Gosh, it's great to hear from everyone again! I have really missed all the laughs and interesting insights I got from the last spate of filtering discussions. But I'll just bet those who want all the "touchy, feely" stuff off this list are not so joyous and there'll be no joy in Mudville very soon. Diane M. Lewis, Serial Records Librarian & Exchange Librarian U.S. Geological Survey Library National Center--MS 950 Reston, Virginia 20192 (703)648-4399 dilewis@igsrglib01.usgs.gov "Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to an ignorant nation."--Walter Cronkite. With gratitude to those who gave their lives so that we might speak freely, the ideas and opinions expressed herein are mine alone. From smason at rmc.edu Thu Aug 21 14:54:49 1997 From: smason at rmc.edu (Shaun Mason) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape mail problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970821125739.0079db30@connect.bedlib.org> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821145449.0068bedc@email.rmc.edu> >This is a Fortress/Netscape problem and I would appreciate any advice. > >Lately, when we open Netscape (ver. 3.0 on Windows 95) on our public pc's >we're getting a gray box with a message which reads: "Unable to open >outgoing mail file. Please update your mail composition preferences before >sending mail". The thing is, we've never sent mail from these machines. >We just upgraded to Fortres 2.51d. > >Does anyone know how to get rid of this box? > I had the same problem. It seems to have been resolved by using the "File Protect" tab in Fortress 101. If you have "No saving to local hard disks" checked you must also check "But allow saves in directory" and then fill in the mail directory for Netscape. For Windows 95 it is probably c:\Program Files\Netscape\Navigator\Mail We have also disabled Netscape mail using IKIOSK so I don't think allowing saves to this directory has any effect for us. Anyway I hope this helps - Shaun Mason | voice: 804-752-3713 Electronic Services Librarian | email: smason@rmc.edu Randolph-Macon College | fax: 804-752-7345 Ashland, VA 23005 | From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 14:58:27 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Netscape mail problem -Reply Message-ID: >>> Susie Breidenbach 08/21/97 12:23pm >>> This is a Fortress/Netscape problem and I would appreciate any advice. Nothing to do with Fortress. Lately, when we open Netscape (ver. 3.0 on Windows 95) on our public pc's we're getting a gray box with a message which reads: "Unable to open outgoing mail file. Please update your mail composition preferences before sending mail". The thing is, we've never sent mail from these machines. We just upgraded to Fortres 2.51d. If you want to allow outgoing mail, set it up appropriately and then lock it up tight (options, ability to read mail, etc.) If you don't want to allow mail, do the same. And then disable the ability to send mail as well. cheers dan From Mark at mWilden.com Thu Aug 21 14:56:49 1997 From: Mark at mWilden.com (Mark Wilden) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <199708211907.MAA10705@daffy.sna.com> > From: Pilon, Danielle: IHAB > > Well, I dislike having my disk space hogged by anyone. Mr. Burt is > entitled to post his citation to this list, as many other subscribers do. > But they are usually polite enough to email _only_ the citation (paper or > web). Sending the whole article, as he did, is **rude.** It's especially > annoying to anyone who receives this list in digest form (like me) and > had to scroll down past lines & lines of it in order to read the next > message. Actually, although I'm not exactly a supporter of Burt, I feel the opposite. I do find his posts about how he's received mention in such and such a medium rather immodest (the usual phrase about the old lady showing off her medals comes to mind), but when the article is actually included, that represents information that I otherwise may not have heard about and I welcome it. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 21 15:07:31 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: Thanks for posting Brock's reply. You have my permission to send this to anyone around the world (esp. since it already IS being made public on the list and web). I agree with the distinction he made. But what he doesn't realize is that OF COURSE this is happening in communities all around the country, if not the world. Articles in American Libraries, LJ, FTRF Newsletter, and other professional publications abound. SHOULD Brock have checked it out? Probably. The issue has come up at several public libraries in southern Idaho. They've adopted different solutions, but they generally have some filtered workstations and some not filtered. I don't believe any of them have installed filtering exclusively, even here in VERY conservative Idaho. The cases have had LOTS of local media attention, including front page on the local daily paper, coverage on all three network channels' local news at 6 and 10, and so forth. Some of the board meetings have gone on over several sessions to allow all a chance to speak. Those meetings have also had extensive coverage. So, in the Boise area, the open meeting political process has worked well. Both sides have spoken rationally, as well as ranted and raved. Both sides have had "outside experts" in to testify. Local citizens of all sorts of political, religious, and moral beliefs have had their say in person, in the mass media, etc. And, compromises that more-or-less satisfy everybody are in place. Sounds like the good old American way to me. cheers cyclops Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From 4CTY_DEIRDRE at 4cty.org Thu Aug 21 15:36:44 1997 From: 4CTY_DEIRDRE at 4cty.org (DEIRDRE F. WOODWARD) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: The Library Channel Message-ID: <970821153644.20cb@4cty.org> I just finished a meeting in which a man from THe Library Channel demo'ed the THe Library CHannel software which is a very sharp product for Internet site selection. WHile it is not Exactly a filtering software, it does provide a way for librarians to create a web selection based on categories to help patrons wade through the quagmire of Internetdom. Anyone using Library Channel? I'd love to hear what you think. I am a anti-censorship supporter, and this that this product is great. Deirdre From dennis at ash.palni.edu Thu Aug 21 16:38:11 1997 From: dennis at ash.palni.edu (Dennis Tucker) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Can you help with a Netscape problem In-Reply-To: <970821153644.20cb@4cty.org> Message-ID: Dear Web4libbers, We have a problem with Netscape Communicator. We've just upgraded to version 4.02, but we've had the problem since the 4.0 betas and, it doesn't seem to get any better. Once we have run Communicator and shut it down, the PC (a blazing 200 MHz Pentium Pro running Windows' 95) slows down to a crawl. The only cure is to reboot and to avoid using Communicator. We have gone back to using Gold with no problems, but there are some features of Communicator 4 that we like, and we would prefer to use it. Occasionally we'll get an error message "NSPR EventReceiver Not Responding." Does anybody know what that is? We've searched the Netscape documentation and found nothing. We even reformatted our hard drive and started over. Nothing helps. Thanks for any help you can give us with this frustrating problem that we've had for months. =============================================================== Dennis C. Tucker, M.A.T., M.L.S., Project Hi-Net Director INCOLSA (Indiana Cooperative Library Services Authority) Phone: (317) 298-6570 FAX: (317) 328-2380 In-state WATS: (800) 733-1899 e-mail: dennis@palni.edu Voice Mail: (800) 293-9366 Home Page: http://incolsa.palni.edu/~dennis Project Hi-Net Page: http://hinet.palni.edu =============================================================== From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Thu Aug 21 16:28:45 1997 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: The Library Channel Message-ID: <26E94547F2@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Hi Do they have a website, I couldn't find any mention of The Library Channel software on any of the search engines I tried. > I just finished a meeting in which a man from THe Library Channel demo'ed the > THe Library CHannel software which is a very sharp product for Internet site > selection. WHile it is not Exactly a filtering software, it does provide a > way for librarians to create a web selection based on categories to help > patrons wade through the quagmire of Internetdom. > > Anyone using Library Channel? I'd love to hear what you think. I am a > anti-censorship supporter, and this that this product is great. > > Deirdre > *********************************************************** Glen Davies Information Technology Librarian Christchurch College of Education Christchurch New Zealand glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz 64-3-343 7737 ************************************************************ "I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby, ch3 ************************************************************ From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 21 17:07:41 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: The Library Channel In-Reply-To: <26E94547F2@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Message-ID: A quick search of the Librarians' Index to the Internet at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/InternetIndex/ turned it up at: http://www.vimpact.net/tlc.htm Roy On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Glen Davies wrote: > Hi > > Do they have a website, I couldn't find any mention of The Library > Channel software on any of the search engines I tried. > > > I just finished a meeting in which a man from THe Library Channel demo'ed the > > THe Library CHannel software which is a very sharp product for Internet site > > selection. WHile it is not Exactly a filtering software, it does provide a > > way for librarians to create a web selection based on categories to help > > patrons wade through the quagmire of Internetdom. > > > > Anyone using Library Channel? I'd love to hear what you think. I am a > > anti-censorship supporter, and this that this product is great. > > > > Deirdre > > > *********************************************************** > Glen Davies > Information Technology Librarian > Christchurch College of Education > Christchurch > New Zealand > glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz > 64-3-343 7737 > ************************************************************ > "I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might > sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald > The Great Gatsby, ch3 > ************************************************************ > From clocke at panix.com Thu Aug 21 15:34:19 1997 From: clocke at panix.com (Christopher Locke) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970821084834.00996d80@adminpop.harding.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970821153419.0084c540@popserver.panix.com> At 08:13 AM 8/21/97 -0700, Ronnie Morgan wrote: >At 07:49 AM 8/21/97 -0700, Christopher Locke wrote: > >>I just dislike power-tripping and intimidation from *any* quarter. > >Do I hear an AMEN? Ronnie if you're ready to say AMEN after reading a bit of Entropy Gradient Reversals, I think we could get a whole new coalition going here! ;-) ever your distressingly immodest servant, chris (a.k.a. RageBoy) Entropy Gradient Reversals All Noise - All the Time http://www.panix.com/~clocke/EGR best chris (a.k.a. RageBoy) Entropy Gradient Reversals All Noise - All the Time http://www.panix.com/~clocke/EGR "Mistakes are the price we pay for a full life." Sophia Loren From chrisa at mdarchives.state.md.us Thu Aug 21 17:43:40 1997 From: chrisa at mdarchives.state.md.us (Chris Allan, Deputy State Archivist) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Job Announcement Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970821214340.008e04f0@mail1.mdarchives.state.md.us> The Maryland State Archives is recruiting for a position responsible for the management of the Maryland Electronic Capital. Position duties: The Maryland Electronic Capital (MEC) Administrator I will be responsible for the planning, organizing, managing and controlling the Maryland Electronic Capital Web site and all its affiliated programs. This includes web site maintenance, responding to E-mail correspondence, attending conventions and conferences, teaching workshops on Internet use, html amd E-mail, as well as aiding in the delivery of other services to state agencies and constituents. The Web Administrator is supervised by the Director, Information Systems Management. For more information on the position, please see: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/personnel/jobs/html/mecadmin.html The Maryland Electronic Capital is found at: http://www.mec.state.md.us/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 21 16:45:41 1997 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Self-promotion In-Reply-To: <1C41A4C55F6@igsrglib01.er.usgs.gov> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821164541.00c8aea4@panix.com> Ok, I tried really hard not to post to this group on filters, but I didn't punt... just ran down the field after the rest of the folks. At any rate, despite my issues with Burt--which have less to do with his views than his MO--I will say that false modesty has no place in the library profession. I recall having my sig file banned on LM_NET because it was deemed a "commercial" (for mentioning my previous book). Right now there is discussion on the Council list about not campaigning (and how else do you run for office...?). This displaced gentility has no business in our profession, particularly among folks discussing technical issues. I think it's a holdover from this being a feminized profession, and we don't talk about money, etc etc because it's just pin-money anyway--our hubbies make the real dough (hmm, my lesbian spouse is still out of work...). Years ago Jean Armour Polly told me, "librarians do great things, and then they never crow about it." That may account for the glacial rate of change in some library systems, particularly with new technologies. And while I'm curious about Burt's funding, anyone with a small budget can have a website. Look at me. (oh oh--more self-promotion!) For as low as $25 a month, from some companies, you can have a virtual server. I pay a little more (not much more) to get the value-added prestige of being hosted by Panix, New York's true granola Internet service. Publishing a monthly column for the library press helps pay for this kind of toy. I ran a whois on Burt's server, and it looks like he's running on a local provider, so maybe he's taking peanut-butter sandwiches to work and enjoying the pleasure of having his own website. Or all the money flowing in to filteringfacts.org is funding it... At any rate, any library hanging off of someone's personal page should take note that for very, very little, they can at least have a site up, a domain name, execute some scripts, etc, and even have multiple mailboxes. For that matter, some filters can now run through local ISPs, so you could conceivably have a virtual server for your library webpage and still block whatever it is you want to block. Add that a lot of commercial databases offer options for licensing without any more local configuration than knowing your IP addresses, and you can have a web presence and online databases on a fairly modest budget (of course, if the filter blocks your database... ;> ) Thanks, btw, for all the Netscape grayed-out stuff. The best part about that thread is that I've seen this problem and thought, "nah, it's a local problem." Oh--so it IS the software. And don't forget to buy my book! ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) From narnett at verity.com Thu Aug 21 18:25:38 1997 From: narnett at verity.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Library filtering column Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970821222538.009329e0@verity.com> Dear Brock: The debate about filtering library Internet access is a distraction, based on the naive idea that libraries should offer access to the same disorganized Internet mess as any generic net connection, minus pornography. By confusing computer science with library science, filtering supporters assume that Internet technology has already filled our digital library shelves. So, the argument goes, after a bit of First Amendment-friendly pruning, every library with a net connection can now offer its visitors a useful wing located in cyberspace. Baloney. Libraries create value for their communities by choosing, acquiring and organizing information resources. Internet plumbing has dramatically reduced the cost of one of these -- acquisition. Should cheap access imply that librarians must open the information floodgates and shift their attention to filtering unwanted information, a 180-degree turn from selection and organization? Even in the short history of the Internet, selection and organization have produced more more value than undiscerning acquisition. Compare Yahoo! and Alta Vista. Yahoo's smaller, categorized collection sees far more use than Alta Vista's giant pile of unorganized information. Yahoo is a showcase for why library science has much to offer the Internet. Those who think today's Internet would be made ready for the library by merely pruning out the pornography should remember the lessons of the last great drop in library acquisition costs, the printing revolution. The technologist Gutenberg went bankrupt even as a collaboration of librarians and technologists -- the Aldine Press -- was a tremendous success. Gutenberg invented technology with an enormous impact, yet he failed in the end to create a valuable resource. Here's the real question about libraries: venture capital is allowing technologists to profit from library science; who will give libraries the technical and financial resources to ensure that their Internet "shelves" are filled appropriately? Nick Arnett Product Manager, Advanced Technology Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com http://www.verity.com From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Thu Aug 21 22:32:51 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Speakable pages Message-ID: <970821223251.20204122@main.morris.org> Mac users! This is sooo coool! Install MacLynxBeta1 (fast fish!! this thing blisters), turn on SpeechManager...and! when you select P)rint one of your options is to have the page spoken. Great way to check pages for readability even if you do not have a speech synthesizer on yr machine. Now, if Fred and Junior would just learn to pronounce LIE-brarian, not LIB-rarian ... From brucep at fuse.net Fri Aug 22 02:18:59 1997 From: brucep at fuse.net (bruce pomerantz) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Self Promotion vs. Free Speech Message-ID: <33FD2F53.4B88@fuse.net> An appropriate quote from Hubert Humphrey: "The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously." :-) Bruce Pomerantz Cincinnati brucep@fuse.net From astrozam at paho.org Thu Aug 21 10:38:00 1997 From: astrozam at paho.org (Mrs. Maria Teresa Astroza) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: <9708218722.AA872225766@cclink.paho.org> I lost all instructions on how to get our of your list. I need also how to get started again (I will be out for one month). Thank you so much. Astrozam@paho.org From eroche at sisna.com Fri Aug 22 00:16:17 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Self Promotion vs. Free Speech Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970821211615.006dad24@mail.sisna.com> Hey-that's the opening quotation for my homepage! apologies for its broken down status, I'll get back soon to fix it up, this is my original piece from spring 1995. http://www.opus1.com/~ace/ Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! At 08:21 PM 8/21/97 -0700, bruce pomerantz wrote: >An appropriate quote from Hubert Humphrey: > >"The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken >seriously." > >:-) > >Bruce Pomerantz >Cincinnati >brucep@fuse.net > > From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Fri Aug 22 01:00:01 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Self Promotion Message-ID: <01BCAE7D.D40E8E40@port52.northwest.com> Karen G. Schneider wrote: At any rate, despite my issues with Burt--which have less to do with his views than his MO- David Burt responds: What's with the "Burt" stuff, Karen? Reminds me of JR high gym class. What is it, specifically, about my MO you don't like? You're big on innuendo, weak on directness. Not exactly the behavior one usually associates with a "tough cookie". KS: And while I'm curious about Burt's funding, anyone with a small budget can have a website. Look at me. (oh oh--more self-promotion!) For as low as $25 a month, from some companies, you can have a virtual server. I pay a little more (not much more) to get the value-added prestige of being hosted by Panix, New York's true granola Internet service. Publishing a monthly column for the library press helps pay for this kind of toy. I ran a whois on Burt's server, and it looks like he's running on a local provider, so maybe he's taking peanut-butter sandwiches to work and enjoying the pleasure of having his own website. Or all the money flowing in to filteringfacts.org is funding it... DB: Let me guess, you're baiting me like this because you want information about how much my operation costs and how it's funded. Why don't you do something really clever, Karen, like *asking me*? As to what it costs to run Filtering Facts, didn't you already answer your own question? Like you said, a virtual server running on a local ISP does not cost oodles of dough. Does it look like FF has lots of money? Do you see a phone number? Does a receptionist answer? Do you see a snazzy logo and stationary? Do you see any slick brochures? Do I fly all over the country? What do you think? The filtering vendors cut me off when I refused to endorse their products, and Pat Robertson cut me off when he found out I was an atheist, so I've just been paying out of my own pocket and getting a few small donations from individuals. Oh, and Karen, how do you square comments like "don't filter and call From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Fri Aug 22 01:01:43 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:25:38 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks Message-ID: <01BCAE7D.DD85A6C0@port52.northwest.com> As for debate, read the paragraph again... I'm not talking about *professional* debate; I'm talking about each library taking the debate to the public, to the people that pay their salaries and use their wonderful resources. Have the librarians make their case to the public, not "preach to the choir" as it were. If the community they serve agrees that that filtering is not for them, so be it. But the debate should be with the public, as well as among professional. David Burt: Brock is exactly right here. Public library service affects *all* Americans. Therefore, the filtering debate should be given the widest possible audience, with the widest range of views included. Most Americans *are not* aware of the pro-filtering librarian's side. That's really the basis behind Filtering Facts in the first place. David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From buckleyc at esu.emporia.edu Sun Aug 3 09:01:46 1997 From: buckleyc at esu.emporia.edu (Conkling Buckley) Date: Wed May 18 14:43:59 2005 Subject: Two questions Message-ID: <01BC9FE9.34B673A0@tnt2-cdf2c93d.kc.sound.net> Sam, In re: to Q 1, HotDog Pro 3.0 has a very nice find and replace feature that works over multiple files or directories. Conk Conkling Buckley buckleyc@esu.emporia.edu Director, Technology Support Team, SLIM Emporia State University ---------- From: Sam A. Khosh-Khui 512/245-2288[SMTP:SK03@a1.swt.edu] Sent: Friday, August 01, 1997 7:58 PM To: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu Subject: Two questions 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a program available? 2. I am looking for a Javascript to display a message for a given Username. Is there such a javascript available? Thanks in Advance for your help. Sam A. Khosh-khui (Sk03@swt.edu) Alber B. Alkek Library Southwest Texas State University From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Sun Aug 3 13:17:02 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:43:59 2005 Subject: The Parts for the Whole: Thesauri and Semantic Linking of Subheadings, Subdivisions and/or Facets Message-ID: <9708031718.AA20575@library.berkeley.edu> The Parts for the Whole: Thesauri and Semantic Linking of Subheadings, Subdivisions and Facets For my continuing review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri, I am interested in learning of systems, projects and/or efforts that provide and/or display subheadings, subdivisions, and/or facets by their semantic or conceptual 'relatedness'. Ideally, it could be a thesaural [thesaurus] display that allows users to browse an alphabetical listing of subheadings/subdivisions/facets and then to subsequently browse the subheadings/subdivisions/ facets that are conceptually-related to a given entry. [Of course, one would also want a browsable thesaurus of all the subheadings/subdivisions/facets in 'conceptual' or semantic order [whatever that might be?]. The system I have in mind is one such that the concepts represented by subdivision/subheadings are presented to the user not in an alphabetical sequence intermingled with subdivisions or subheadings of different semantic affinity, but a sequence in which the subdivisions/subheadings have some level of 'likeness'. An obvious example would be to have all the geographic subdivisions clustered together [in 'geographic order', of course [:->]], or, such related concepts as 'Economic Conditions' and 'Employment' clustered together in some semantic space. In particular, I am interested in knowing if there are projects which seek to create a semantic network of the LC subdivision. Are there efforts to create a thesauri that show broader/narrower/related relationships of _sub-parts_. Efforts to a create a thesaurus of sub-parts indicating other types of conceptual associations ['associative'] among subheadings/subdivisions/facets are also of interest. [I suspect that much related work can be found in the work in facet classification, but here I'm interested in the 'sub-parts' - sub-headings, sub-divisions, sub-facets (?).] [Folk Fixated with Facets are Free to Formally Facilitate this Further Follow-up [:->]] Certainly, there is opportunity to reveal relationships among subheadings/subdivisions/facets through the application of Data Mining and/or Latent Semantic Indexing! As always, any and all leads, suggestions, reactions, citations, comments, critique, criticisms, or contributions are most welcome! [I also take American Express {:->] Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "Show Me The System" P.S. I have not fully explored the UMLS for Medline nor the Internet GratefulMed. These systems may/may not have this functionality. It might also be available in one of the Ovid system, which I plan to explore as well. From fros at planetx.bloomu.edu Sun Aug 3 20:56:58 1997 From: fros at planetx.bloomu.edu (William J. Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:43:59 2005 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Sam A. Khosh-Khui 512/245-2288 wrote: > 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all > occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web > server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a > program available? > One of the best regarded HTML editors for the Mac is BBEdit. It has a find & replace feature which can be used with a group of pages. > 2. I am looking for a Javascript to display a message for a > given Username. Is there such a javascript available? > > Thanks in Advance for your help. > > Sam A. Khosh-khui (Sk03@swt.edu) > Alber B. Alkek Library > Southwest Texas State University > > > > Bill Frost Harvey A. Andruss Library Reference Librarian Bloomsburg University 717-389-4126 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 fros@bloomu.edu Fax 717-389-3895 Listowner CAPi-L http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~fros/ From m.iorns at waikato.ac.nz Mon Aug 4 09:17:22 1997 From: m.iorns at waikato.ac.nz (Michael Iorns) Date: Wed May 18 14:43:59 2005 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970804131722.006c2fb0@mailserv.waikato.ac.nz> BBedit comes with a multiple search and replace function which can work across a group of files, within subdirectories also. Sorry haven't url to point at it, but I believe I got mine (when I was using a Mac) from info-mac archives. (in text editing tools area). It is/was quite fast. I remember some minor complication of specifying the target group of files, perhaps merely making sure to go to the relevant tab in the search entry dialog. At 17:55 1/08/97 -0700, "Sam A. Khosh-Khui 512/245-2288" wrote: > 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all > occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web > server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a > program available? > > 2. I am looking for a Javascript to display a message for a > given Username. Is there such a javascript available? > > Thanks in Advance for your help. > > Sam A. Khosh-khui (Sk03@swt.edu) > Alber B. Alkek Library > Southwest Texas State University > > > > > Michael Iorns|Private Bag 3105|iorns@waikato.ac.nz Computing Consultant| Hamilton |Ph(64)7 838-4466x6737 Waikato University Library| New Zealand |Fx " " 838-4017 From smitht at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 4 07:44:12 1997 From: smitht at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Tim Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sam A. Khosh-khui wrote: > 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all > occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web > server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a > program available? HTML Grinder (from Matterform: http://www.matterform.com) can do this and more. Here's part of the introductory matter from their web page: "The HTML Grinder version 3.21 for Macintosh is the perfect complement to your HTML Editor. Use an editor to change a page; use the Grinder to change your site. "The Grinder is a collection of 20 powerful tools called "wheels". Just drag your entire site onto the Grinder, select a wheel and click a button. You can save hours--even days--of tedious HTML coding with a single click: Multi-File Find and Replace Build hundreds of links automatically Date Stamp your pages And lots more... "One Free Tool ? Download a fully-functioning Demo and keep the Find and Replace Tool absolutely free--forever! If you find that the Grinder makes your life easier, you can register your copy for $149." I've used the program a little bit, enough to know that (1) it DOES work and (2) you need to be really careful with it, because there is no UNDO command for the Multi-file Find and Replace. Good luck, Tim Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * Tim Smith e-mail: TSMITH1@OHIOU.EDU Instructional Librarian phone: (614) 593-2634 Reference Dept. fax: (614) 593-0138 Alden Library Ohio University "Technology has replaced reflection." Athens, OH 45701 -- Utah Phillips * * * * * * * * * * * * From clocke at panix.com Mon Aug 4 06:50:54 1997 From: clocke at panix.com (Christopher Locke) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: We Came, We Clicked, We Yawned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970804065054.008ac260@popserver.panix.com> This morning Microsoft published an unusual article -- for them anyway. The way I know it's unusual is that I wrote it ;-) -- the title is in the Subject line above. I figured that at least some on this list might get a kick out of it, so here's the URL: http://home.microsoft.com/reading/voices.asp The lead paragraph begins: "We know it. They know it. Let's face it. From the humblest home pages to the towering powerhouse media monoliths, nobody has the slightest idea what they're doing online." If it makes you laugh, cry or want to break things, let Microsoft know at articles@microsoft.com -- otherwise, you can just flame me. thanks chris (a.k.a. RageBoy) Entropy Gradient Reversals All Noise - All the Time http://www.panix.com/~clocke/EGR "Mistakes are the price we pay for a full life." Sophia Loren From E.J.Blagg at lboro.ac.uk Mon Aug 4 10:32:44 1997 From: E.J.Blagg at lboro.ac.uk (Emma J. Blagg) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Experiences of EDD services Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970804143244.0070c524@staff-mailin.lboro.ac.uk> Apologies for cross posting If you're thinking of implementing Electronic Document Delivery (EDD) services in your library and want to find out the experiences of others, then have a look at the FIDDO list of contacts. This is a list of librarians, and their email addresses, who are happy to share their experiences of EDDs. At present we have contacts in the UK, US, Canada and Australia for the following services: Chadwick-Healey LION CISTI - Swetscan EbscoHost Infotrac Search Bank OCLC First Search Project MUSE SearchBank (Information Access) UMI Proquest Direct UnCover The contacts list is available from the FIDDO website at http://dils2.lboro.ac.uk/fiddo/fiddo.html Emma Blagg ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Emma J. Blagg FIDDO Project Department of Information & Library Studies Loughborough University Leicestershire LE11 3TU UK Tel: +44 (0)1509 222177 fax: +44(0)1509 223053 email: e.j.blagg@lboro.ac.uk http://dils2.lboro.ac.uk/fiddo/fiddo.html ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** From jcrisp at wln.com Mon Aug 4 10:27:17 1997 From: jcrisp at wln.com (Jeanne Crisp) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Positions avail w/WA State Lib, Olympia Message-ID: Washington State Public Library Connectivity Project Pre-Recruitment Announcement July 1997 The Washington State Library is recruiting for talented, motivated people for the Public Library Connectivity Project. It is anticipated that 3.5 FTEs (Full Time Equivalent positions) will be added to the existing project staff. The new FTEs will represent combinations of the skills and expertise described below. Anticipated start date: September 15, 1997; sooner if possible. Deadline to submit materials: AUGUST 15, 1997 The Washington State Library*s Public Library Connectivity Project is an effort to place public Internet workstations in every public library building in the state and to ensure that all library staff receive sufficient assistance and training to guarantee the successful integration of this technology into the library*s services to customers. An exciting aspect of this project is the State Library's collaboration with the Libraries Online project, funded by the Gates Library Foundation. In cooperation with the Foundation, different training and installation methodologies will be tested. Data gathered will be used to shape the Libraries Online project across the nation. The Public Library Connectivity Project is underway with guaranteed funding through September 30, 1998. An approximation of the amount of time each position will require is noted below. A candidate may apply for any combination of jobs that best matches his or her talents and experience. All project staff will work together as a team; the team will be augmented by staff from other State Library teams who are also doing work considered part of the overall project. Here is a brief description of tasks to be accomplished and of skills and experience we hope candidates will bring to this project: PROJECT COORDINATOR (.5 FTE) Tasks: * Coordinate and manage the efforts of 5 FTEs who will work as a team to achieve the project goals. The Washington State Library is a team-based, non-hierarchical agency. * Identify and secure support from stakeholders * Market the project * Write articles, make presentations about the project * Monitor results, create and disseminate reports * Allocate project resources * Develop project budget plan * Establish and maintain information on each library*s state of connectivity * Set up official project files * Interact with agency administration Skills required or desired for this position: * Ability to integrate the project with other agency initiatives and workload * Library knowledge, particularly public libraries, is highly desirable. TELECOMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST (1 FTE) Tasks: * Provide training opportunities to library staffs on bidding and negotiating for telecommunications services * Prepare a handbook for local libraries on how to apply for discounts * Establish a communication system to keep libraries informed about the current status of information * Keep abreast of emerging information and issues * Establish State Library positions on key issues * Work with the Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission to develop consumer information for libraries as consumers of telecommunications services * Consult with libraries on how to secure telecommunications services and assist libraries with submission of their plans to the FCC * Provide for distribution of information on Washington state*s K-20 network * Consult with libraries related to their participation in Washington state's K-20 network * Work with the K-20 Technical Working Group to set standards for public libraries in the K-20 network * Serves as the WSL's designated expert/consultant and spokesperson on legislative and policy issues related to telecommunications * Provides recommendations to the library community on telecommunications policy and rate issues. * Independently plans, prepares, coordinates written and oral testimony to regulatory bodies or the legislature on telecommunications issues affecting libraries Skills required or desired for this position: * Ability to analyze legislative or regulatory issues related to telecommunications * Experience with political process, including local, state, or federal legislative processes or regulatory processes * Experience providing testimony or responses to formal orders * Background in telecommunications issues and rulemaking procedures is critical * The successful candidate will be able to *translate* telecommunications issues so that public library staff can understand the issues and the library*s options * Library knowledge, particularly public libraries, is highly desirable TRAINING, CONSULTING (2 FTEs) Tasks: * Ensure that information about the project, including training materials, documents to assist with technology planning, and data about the project, appear on the agency's Web page * Establish personal contact with all library directors in order to be aware of their library's needs and to inform them of training and granting opportunities * Make site visits to several dozen libraries in order to promote the project, including speaking to library boards or governing agencies as needed * Consult with libraries - grant opportunities, feedback on their grant applications * In connection with the Washington Assistive Technologies Association, develop planning materials for library staff related to accessibility issues * Develop planning materials for ESL users * Assist libraries with development of Internet policies * Identify and implement information sharing methods that will support connectivity beyond the duration of the project (e.g., a listserv) * Provide for training classes on long-range planning, future hardware needs, Internet policy issues, computer security, current and future networking technologies, basic and advanced Internet searching, train-the-trainer, web page creation, etc. * (Training may be delivered by project staff, or project staff may contract for others to provide the training, or it may be handled by a combination of these methods) * Provide on-site training and assistance for each library that participates in the project. This will involve one or more visits to each location, and is expected to occupy a major portion of one project staff's time. * Assist local libraries to locate training resources Skills, qualifications required or desired for these positions: * At least one of these positions will require an MLS. If not required, an MLS will be highly desirable. Knowledge of libraries, especially public libraries, will be expected of anyone hired for this project * Willing to travel * Able to submit reports electronically * Advanced information technology and troubleshooting skills * Knowledge of adult learning styles * Knowledge of and experience with on-the-job training techniques and practices * Excellent interpersonal skills * Knowledge of and experience with learning needs assessments, development of learning objectives Salaries for this project will range from $2405 - $4126 or higher, depending on the skills and experience of the people hired and the mix of responsibilities that they assume. An excellent benefits package is also included. The Washington State Library is an equal opportunity employer. Women, racial and ethnic minorities, persons of disability, Vietnam era veterans and disabled veterans are encouraged to apply. Persons needing assistance in the application process, or those needing this job announcement in an alternative format, may call 360-704-5245. Direct all questions about the project or the job descriptions to staff listed below. Submit a letter of interest along with a resume, BY AUGUST 15, 1997 to: Jeanne Crisp, jcrisp@statelib.wa.gov, 360-704-5255 PO Box 42460, Olympia, WA 98504-2460 FAX 360-586-7575 OR Doreen Turpen, dturpen@statelib.wa.gov, 360-704-5204 PO Box 42460, Olympia, WA 98504-2460 From lechevil at cnam.fr Mon Aug 4 10:39:44 1997 From: lechevil at cnam.fr (Le Cheviller) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: agents Message-ID: <33E5E9AF.729@cnam.fr> Hi ! Do you know a software or a agent which notify automatically and snapshot when a web site has changed ? Thanks, Pierre-Alain Le Cheviller CNAM Paris lechevil@cnam.fr From brucep at fuse.net Mon Aug 4 14:19:02 1997 From: brucep at fuse.net (bruce pomerantz) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Do people pass by 'Plain Text Sites'? Message-ID: <33E61D16.A3B@fuse.net> This reference people doesn't. Just the opposite. My default on Netscape 3.0 is to NOT auto-load images. The information I'm seeking is always in text format. I want to get to a site fast, determine if it has what I need, retrieve it if it's there, and get out. The only time graphics prove helpful is when the page is designed such that you need them to navigate. Obviously, in my judgement, this as poor webpage design because taking the time to download the graphics is exactly what I don't want. I have a 14.8 modem and 486 75khz PC. But even if I had Deep Blue, I'd still eschew graphics. Bruce Pomerantz Cincinnati, OH From webguru at gtu.edu Mon Aug 4 13:34:48 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:11 PM -0700 8/1/97, Dan Lester wrote: >We're not planning to implement style sheets until MS and >NS get their collective acts together. ... >Even that doesn't help those who have older tools, >but we can never satisfy ALL of the potential users. Or those of us who don't use their browsers. This underscores the importance of sticking to standards even if one company has a cool effect that only their browser displays. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From webguru at gtu.edu Mon Aug 4 13:45:29 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 5:55 PM -0700 8/1/97, Sam A. Khosh-Khui 512/245-2288 wrote: > 1. I am looking for a program to find and replace all > occurrences of a given URL on all html files on our web > server. We have a Macintosh PowerPC. Is there such a > program available? Nisus writer can change text in multiple documents. And is a great word processor too. I have also used it to convert several large documents to HTML and place a complex set of links between the documents using Nisus's macro language. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From mg_kennedy at mwcc.mass.edu Mon Aug 4 13:53:27 1997 From: mg_kennedy at mwcc.mass.edu (Marcia Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: agents Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970804175327.0066a194@zeus> At 08:24 AM 8/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi ! > >Do you know a software or a agent which notify automatically and > >snapshot when a web site has changed ? > >Thanks, > Yes. Try http://grasmick.com/whatsnew.htm and http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/URL-minder.html Marcia Kennedy Mt. Wachusett Community College Library From onlineed at dallas.net Mon Aug 4 09:59:53 1997 From: onlineed at dallas.net (Gina Yarbrough) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Online Educator's Weekly Super Sites for August 4, 1997 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970804135953.0070ca04@dallas.net> Hello From Online Educator, Here are the five Education Super Sites for the week of August 4, 1997 from The Online Educator, creators of "Point, Click and Teach.". 1. All categories Show your students how to receive news and information from north of the U.S. border with CBC 4 KIDS. CBC4Kids is CBC Radio's interactive Web site for children 8-13. It offers daily news, sports, classical and popular music, Canadian history, science experiments, jokes,quizzes and games. Your kids will like the interactive features on this site. Tuck this URL away for your next unit on Canadian geography, culture and history. 2. Science Explore the wonderous world of flying insects with the CHILDREN'S BUTTERFLY SITE. Despite their small size, butterflies and moths are some of the World's most wondrous animals. Their beauty, seemingly miraculous metamorphosis, and apparently carefree flight all spark our imaginations. This site, developed by the United States Geological Survey, is a wonderful introduction to these fascinating creatures. Although geared toward younger students, there's good content here for older students, too. 3. Tools for teachers Keep up with educational topics with E-MAIL DISCUSSION LISTS. Staying on top of your profession is tough, particularly when you're spending more and more time in class and preparing lesson plans. One painless way to have educational information delivered directly to you is by joining electronic discussion groups. These groups connect you to your teaching colleagues around the world via e-mail. There are hundreds of groups on the Net, each devoted to specific educational topics. You can find the ones you need quickly and easily at this one-stop Web site. 4. Economics Help your high school students find work with the HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITER EMPLOYMENT WEB SITE. The High School Recruiter Employment Web Site offers a connecting point between people who are seeking part-time and full-time jobs, work and career opportunities, and employers who are looking for quality people. Have your students check this site often. It is refreshed several times a week. 5. Geography Use the Net to bring a fun geography lesson to your students with NORTH AMERICAN SCAVENGER HUNT. The Internet-savvy teachers at Loogootee Elementary West in Loogootee, Indiana are making the most out of their school computers by developing fun projects for and with their students. One your kids will enjoy is the North American Scavenger Hunt. It starts with a simple premise: "You are trying to get a job as a tour guide for North America. It is up to you to learn all that you can about this continent." Then the fun starts as students use Internet resources to learn all they can about the countries and environment of North America. (Lessons on history, endangered animals, holidays and customs, cultures and languages are in the works.) Give this lesson plan a try. Your students will enjoy it. You can check out these sites for yourself by visiting our Hot Links for Teachers page at: http://ole.net:8081/educator/LINKS.hbs Want more? Dig through our database of hundreds of previous Super Sites at: http://ole.net:8081/educator/search.hbs Still want more? Check out our free lesson plans and articles off our homepage: http://ole.net/ole/ Have a suggestion? E-mail us at netsmart@dallas.net Subscription information: http://ole.net/ole/SUBSCRIBE.html Online Educator/NIEOnline Web site: http://ole.net/ole/ 3131 Turtle Creek Blvd. Suite 1250 Dallas, TX. 75219 (214)526-3700 or (800)672-6988 Email: onlineed@dallas.net From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 4 15:28:01 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 -Reply Message-ID: <199708041933.PAA13321@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > From: Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: deprecated elements in HTML 4.0 -Reply > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 2:13 PM > > At 12:11 PM -0700 8/1/97, Dan Lester wrote: > >We're not planning to implement style sheets until MS and > >NS get their collective acts together. ... > >Even that doesn't help those who have older tools, > >but we can never satisfy ALL of the potential users. > > Or those of us who don't use their browsers. > > This underscores the importance of sticking to standards even if one > company has a cool effect that only their browser displays. > Just so everyone's clear, CSS *is* a standard; see http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1 Rather than being a "cool effect" hack from the gang who gave us (or depending on whom you prefer to disparage), it's the work of HTML and SGML developers who have been trying to call attention to a better way to do it since
was first released on an unsuspecting world. Netscape, in particular, has shown only half-hearted support for CSS (Microsoft's support appears to be more incompetent than disinterested, but they have a track record of ironing out their own incompetencies and are already on their second version of CSS support). Let me reiterate this for people considering using stylesheets; the effect of a non-instrusive stylesheet is invisible to browsers that don't support them. As I posted before, it is certainly possible to abuse them in pursuit of cool effects, but that pursuit is ultimately frustrated on the web, whatever its vehicle. Compare and contrast:

This is a paragraph, regardless of what browser you're using. If your browser understands CSS, it will be indented 2.5 centimeters. If your browser does not understand the style attribute, it is required to ignore it.

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      This is...something that Netscape Composer might cough up. It might be a paragraph, or a list item, and it might be indented some amount, though neither of us knows exactly how much, and it might or might not have a bullet in front of it...
\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 4 16:17:32 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Commercial Sites now in Not Just Cows Message-ID: <33E638DC.3FA2593@morrisville.edu> I have just added a commercial category to Not Just Cows. It will include companies, trade associations and such. You can find the listing by going to: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/commercial/ I have quite a few to add to it so it is being updated. It is available for use while I update it, though. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ SUNYLA'97: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/sunyla/sunyla97.htm Support the anti-Spam amendment: Join at http://www.cauce.org/ -- From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Aug 4 17:01:58 1997 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Myths about online information Message-ID: > >Just wanted to alert you all to an op-ed piece in the >Chronicle of Higher Education that may be of interest: > > Miller, William. "Troubling Myths About Online >Information". Chronicle of Higher Education. 8/1/97. >Page A44. > >William Miller is the president of the Association of >College and Research Libraries. He is also director >of libraries at Florida Atlantic University. > >Bernie Sloan > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >338 Henry Administration Building >506 S. Wright Street >Urbana, IL 61801 >Phone: 217-333-4895 >Fax: 217-333-6355 >e-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From fros at planetx.bloomu.edu Mon Aug 4 17:28:46 1997 From: fros at planetx.bloomu.edu (William J. Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: agents In-Reply-To: <33E5E9AF.729@cnam.fr> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Le Cheviller wrote: > Hi ! > > Do you know a software or a agent which notify automatically and > > snapshot when a web site has changed ? > > Thanks, > > > > Pierre-Alain Le Cheviller > > CNAM > > Paris > > lechevil@cnam.fr > I haven't ried it yet, but check out http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/URL-minder.html Bill Frost Harvey A. Andruss Library Reference Librarian Bloomsburg University 717-389-4126 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 fros@bloomu.edu Fax 717-389-3895 Listowner CAPi-L http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~fros/ From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Mon Aug 4 17:24:13 1997 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Communicator Message-ID: <23C497A57C4@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Hi Good to see that Netscape are looking at separating Navigator 4.x from the commmunicator suite. According to the following story this would provide a thinner client than Navigator 3.02. Still not as thin as Opera though! http://headlines.yahoo.com/zdnews/stories/870484269.html *********************************************************** Glen Davies Information Technology Librarian Christchurch College of Education Christchurch New Zealand glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz 64-3-343 7737 ************************************************************ "I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby, ch3 ************************************************************ From curr at smtpinet.aspensys.com Mon Aug 4 07:04:18 1997 From: curr at smtpinet.aspensys.com (Clifford Urr) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Library Outsourcing Controls Costs Article Message-ID: <9707048707.AA870743289@smtpinet.aspensys.com> Today's Washington Post (8/4/97) has, in the business section, p. 10, an article entitled, "Library Manager LSSI Adds a Calif. System to Its Collection." LSSI stands for Library Services and Systems, a librray outsource contractor that seems comprised of librarians and systems types. The article is about their takeover and management of the Riverside County public library system in California, and implies this is the wave of the future for public libraries. What's especially interesting is that the salaries for the library employees for the county is the same with this contractor, library hours were increased, and LSSI agreed to do $200,000.00 worth of improvements to the system. They do it by streamlining admin functions and using various methods of making operations more efficient. A VP for this company is quoted as saying in the article, "with more than 33,000 libraries nationwide, the library management marketplace is a $10 billion industry with great possibilities" for library outsourcers. Since he does not distinguish what types of libraries, I wonder if other types are not far behind for outsourcing picking: academic and corporate libraries (government libraries seem to be one by one getting picked up the outsourcers.) Comments? Cliff Urr, Senior Manager, Information Services, Aspen Systems 2277 Research Blvd. MS-2A Rockville, MD 20850 1-301-519-5828 curr@aspensys.com From brownp at sls.lib.il.us Mon Aug 4 18:43:18 1997 From: brownp at sls.lib.il.us (Pamela Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get the URL to appear on a printout from Microsoft's Internet Explorer? I read over the weekend in a Que book that it does but have never been able to find any settings to make it happen. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pamela P. Brown, Information Technology Services Director Suburban Library System, 125 Tower Drive, Burr Ridge, IL 60521-5782 phone: 630/325-6640 fax: 630/325-5279 email: brownp@sls.lib.il.us From nelly at wsulaw.edu Mon Aug 4 17:13:35 1997 From: nelly at wsulaw.edu (Nell Yang) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: CGI/PERL Resources -- Update Message-ID: <90D970AC6@ful.wsulaw.edu> Listmates: This is an update of the CGI/PERL sites I posted on LITA-L & TEKNOIDS last Tuesday. I tried to visit the sites on the list and found out some sites have been moved, some has typos in the URL addresses. Following is the updated list. Sorry for the inconvenience. Some sites have still not been located. Perhaps listmates from web4lib can help. Thanks. 1. Northwestern Univ. Lib. has a page on creating forms for the web that has pointers to several sources on CGI, PERL and other interactivity resources. CAN'T FIND CGI PAGE TODAY! http://www.library.nwu.edu/resources/www/forms/ 2. Matt's Script Archive, a very good collection of useful programs to add to your Web site and most, maybe all, are free. GOOD SITE! http://worldwidemart.com/scripts/ 3. CGI & Perl Tutorial: "An online tutorial for "entry level" introduction into cgi scripting," CORRECT URL: http://www.catt.ncsu.edu/projects/perl/index.html 4. Univ. of Tulane site. CAN'T FIND CGI PAGE ON THE SITE! http://www.tulane.edu/ and go to Library Services 5. Univ. of Illinois--Urbana Champaign has a CGI site. CORRECT URL: http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/intro.html 6. Mosaic for X version 2.0 (I found it too technical) RIGHT URL: http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/Docs/fill-out-forms/ overview.html 7. CGI Resources (a good site!) http://www.halcyon.com/sanford/cgi-tour 8. A Perl 4 Workshop (another good site!) http://www.halcyon.com/sanford/perl 9. The site has been moved and I can't find the CGI page. http://www.hhpl.on.ca/hhplref.htm Nell Nell Yang Computer Services Librarian Western State University College of Law Library 1111 N. State College Blvd. Fullerton, CA 92631 Tel: 714-738-1000 Ext. 2114 Fax: 714-871-4806 E-mail: nelly@wsulaw.edu http://www.wsulaw.edu From kwilson at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au Mon Aug 4 20:27:49 1997 From: kwilson at laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Katie Wilson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To print URL in Internet Explorer make sure you have Header and Footer checked in the Page Setup screen. There doesn't seem to be a choice of what to have in the header and footer, just on or off. But on prints the URL. Katie Wilson ____________________________________________________________________ Katie Wilson tel: +61-2-9850-7509 Manager, Information Technology Training Unit fax: +61-2-9850-7590 Macquarie University Library Sydney, NSW 2109 Australia Email: kwilson@library.mq.edu.au ____________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Pamela Brown wrote: > Does anyone know how to get the URL to appear on a printout from > Microsoft's Internet Explorer? I read over the weekend in a Que book that > it does but have never been able to find any settings to make it happen. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Pamela P. Brown, Information Technology Services Director > Suburban Library System, 125 Tower Drive, Burr Ridge, IL 60521-5782 > phone: 630/325-6640 fax: 630/325-5279 email: brownp@sls.lib.il.us > > From hlcspy at scils.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 4 20:30:29 1997 From: hlcspy at scils.rutgers.edu (Heidi Cramer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <199708050030.UAA17712@scils.rutgers.edu> I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. Today I was chided for considering how a Web page would look in lynx and I was told t"only 5% of Internet users use lynx and the number is dwindling" From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Mon Aug 4 22:57:51 1997 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: >I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity >of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. Today >I was chided for considering how a Web page would look in lynx and I was >told t" >only 5% of Internet users use lynx and the number is dwindling" I just started logging and counting "User Agent" headers recently. But the raw numbers aren't very helpful because all the different variations, on say "Mozilla". Some quick counts with grep and awk suggest that lynx is less than one percent of the hits. But this may well be biased: I suspect this includes requests for graphical files (which will be 100% from GUI browsers.) A closely related issue that is not going to go away, and isn't just a question of percentage of users, is how web pages read to disabled users using screen readers or special-purpose software. --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From sdk at mindspring.com Tue Aug 5 00:01:41 1997 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics In-Reply-To: <199708050030.UAA17712@scils.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970805000141.007f2b30@pop.mindspring.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 694 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19970805/0ae82a1b/attachment.bin From dls-nims at dupagels.lib.il.us Tue Aug 5 01:34:13 1997 From: dls-nims at dupagels.lib.il.us (Don Nims) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:00 2005 Subject: Printing the URL from Internet Explorer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970805003413.007aeb50@dupagels.lib.il.us> Pamela -- You didn't say which version of Internet Explorer you're using so I don't know if the following will help or not. It's from the help file for IE 4.0 Platform Preview 2: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To change how a page looks when it prints On the File menu, click Page Setup. Click Headers. In each Headers and Footers box, specify the information to be printed by using the following variables. Variables can be combined with text (for example, Page &p of &P). To print this Type this Window title &w Page address (URL) &u Date in short format (as specified by Regional Settings in Control Panel) &d Date in long format (as specified by Regional Settings in Control Panel) &D Time in the format specified by Regional Settings in Control Panel &t Time in 24-hour format &T Current page number &p Total number of pages &P A single ampersand (&) && - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My copy of IE came with the header preset to &w&bPage &p of &P (which prints the page title on the left margin and "Page n of n" on the right) and the footer set to &u&b&d (which puts the URL on the left margin and the date on the right). As you've no doubt guessed, &b moves the subsequent printing to the right margin. Hope this helps! Don Nims, Internet Coordinator DuPage Library System Geneva, Illinois At 03:51 PM 8/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know how to get the URL to appear on a printout from >Microsoft's Internet Explorer? I read over the weekend in a Que book that >it does but have never been able to find any settings to make it happen. > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Pamela P. Brown, Information Technology Services Director >Suburban Library System, 125 Tower Drive, Burr Ridge, IL 60521-5782 >phone: 630/325-6640 fax: 630/325-5279 email: brownp@sls.lib.il.us From E.J.Blagg at lboro.ac.uk Tue Aug 5 07:19:25 1997 From: E.J.Blagg at lboro.ac.uk (Emma J. Blagg) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Summary: SearchBank and ProQuest Direct users? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970805111925.0073ccdc@staff-mailin.lboro.ac.uk> Here's a summary of the responses (6 in total) to my request for libraries to share their experiences of using SearchBank and ProQuest Direct: A UK Librarian said that SearchBank's interface is easy to use and has a fast response time: ProQuest Direct has suffered in comparison. A US Librarian, whose library is planning to change from a text only version of SearchBank to the web or windows version, said that they were happy with the no. of full-text articles available and their main problems were teaching users complex search functions. A Canadian Public Librarian, whose library recently switched to the web version of SearchBank, said although they lihe the product, they had soem reservations notably coverage. They say that IAC hasn't got the rights to some major public library journals and in some cases the rights may be lost and users are not informed (the cahnge can happen overnight). Canadian publications are not as well represented as US ones and they may not have the most current issues. The range of periodical was felt to be impressive, but not deep enough in the humanities and overall the range was too regional, too US or trade based. Overall, there seemed to be libraries using both services, ProQuest Direct was generally felt to have better coverage and SearchBank a more user friendly, quicker interface. Emma Blagg ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Emma J. Blagg FIDDO Project Department of Information & Library Studies Loughborough University Leicestershire LE11 3TU UK Tel: +44 (0)1509 222177 fax: +44(0)1509 223053 email: e.j.blagg@lboro.ac.uk http://dils2.lboro.ac.uk/fiddo/fiddo.html ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 5 08:08:06 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <199708051213.IAA19874@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> I know of two library-related servers have browser statistics: see http://www.ohiolink.edu/cgi-bin/browsers.pl and http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/browsercount.pl I find it interesting that the Berkeley SunSITE consistently shows a more diverse browser population (and one closer to industry-wide estimates) than our site, which is Netscape-heavy. BTW, usability under Lynx is more a function of good HTML than of following any browser-specific hacks. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu ---------- > From: Heidi Cramer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Browser use statistics > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 8:41 PM > > > I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity > of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. Today > I was chided for considering how a Web page would look in lynx and I was told t"only 5% of Internet users use lynx and the number is dwindling" From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Tue Aug 5 10:11:24 1997 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <9707058707.AA870797785@smtpgwy.isinet.com> I can't speak for the rest of the world, but we have been collecting user statistics that include the browser type since late April and our split is approximately 75% Netscape, 12 % Internet Explorer and 13% other. The "other" category is split, but from what I can tell, only .5% are accessing our site with Lynx. Form what the company systems people say, they were surprised, as they have heard that Internet Explorer should have a much higher percentage. All I can tell you is this is what my report tells me. Elisa Elisa Miller "Whatever you can do or Institute for Scientific Information dream you can, begin it. 3501 Market Street Boldness has genius, power Philadelphia, Pa 19104 and magic in it." (215)386-0100 x 1395 Goethe emiller@isinet.com URL - http://www.isinet.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Browser use statistics Author: hlcspy@scils.rutgers.edu at INTERNET Date: 8/4/97 8:43 PM I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. Today I was chided for considering how a Web page would look in lynx and I was told t"only 5% of Internet users use lynx and the number is dwindling" From edonlon at suffolk.lib.ny.us Tue Aug 5 09:22:57 1997 From: edonlon at suffolk.lib.ny.us (Eileen Donlon) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In MSIE go to: File Page Setup Headers/Footers The command to print the URL is &u and the default location is bottom left with a 0.75" bottom margin. Margin settings might have to be changed depending on which brand printer you are using. We are using HP Deskjet printers and a bottom margin of 1". /*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/ Eileen Donlon Longwood Public Library Computer Services 800 Middle Country Road Bus-516.924.6400 Middle Island, NY 11953 Fax-516.924.7538 From aabrams at american.edu Tue Aug 5 09:28:37 1997 From: aabrams at american.edu (Alicia Abramson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Active X on the Web and printing Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805092837.006dbf94@newton.library.american.edu> I've had a problem several times when trying to print from Microsoft's site which uses frames and ActiveX. The gist of the problem is that when I try to print a page from the knowledge base, my printer (HP LaserJet 4 Plus) spews out about 1/2 a page that looks like it is supposed to and then many other pages of garbage--sometimes up to twenty or more pages sometimes with just one or two characters. I suspect ActiveX is the problem--any ideas? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- | Alicia Abramson | * Head, Library Systems * | American University | * (202) 885-3228 * | aabrams@american.edu | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From grondin.luc at uqam.ca Tue Aug 5 09:54:03 1997 From: grondin.luc at uqam.ca (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Active X on the Web and printing In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970805092837.006dbf94@newton.library.american.e du> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805095403.00817130@aster.si.uqam.ca> Hello Alicia Abramson wrote: >I've had a problem several times when trying to print from Microsoft's site >which uses frames and ActiveX. The gist of the problem is that when I try >to print a page from the knowledge base, my printer (HP LaserJet 4 Plus) >spews out about 1/2 a page that looks like it is supposed to and then many >other pages of garbage--sometimes up to twenty or more pages sometimes with >just one or two characters. > >I suspect ActiveX is the problem--any ideas? I had the same problem. Looking at their HTML, I noticed that paragraphs were on single lines. I downloaded the file (plus the few graphics that were important) and edited it by breaking those long (ASCII) lines into shorter ones. After that rather annoying operation, the page printed without problem. There might be a better solution but that one worked for me. -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Bibliotheque des sciences Universite du Quebec a Montreal -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Tue Aug 5 10:22:59 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: The Whole from the Part: Browsing Root Headings from the Aspect Message-ID: <9708051424.AA27764@library.berkeley.edu> _The Whole from the Part_ Browsing Root Headings from the Aspect For my ever-ending review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri, I am interested in online systems and/or thesauri that permit the browsing of main or root headings from the subdivision, subheading, and/or facet from which the aspect has been pre-coordinated. For example, for the LC subdivision 'Climate' in the following subject heading IOWA--CLIMATE I would be able to browse all the main or root headings that have had 'Climate' appended as a subdivision (e.g. all the other 49(?) [:->] States [Of course, I'd also want to browse the main heading in conceptual order (e.g geographically) as well as alphabetically] [I'd also want the ability to browse from a conceptually/semantically organized collection of sub-parts to the root headings, which could be organized alphabetically or conceptually on my command [Power, yes Power![:->]]. [Yes, I want my cake and I want to eat it too!] As always, any reactions, suggestions, comments, criticism, critiques, or conventional wisdom [:->] will be very much appreciated!

Thanks!

Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "Iowa - One of the Great Forty-Eight States" From grondin.luc at uqam.ca Tue Aug 5 10:28:21 1997 From: grondin.luc at uqam.ca (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics In-Reply-To: <9707058707.AA870797785@smtpgwy.isinet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805102821.007e6240@aster.si.uqam.ca> At 06:17 05/08/97 -0700, Elisa Miller wrote: > I can't speak for the rest of the world, but we have been collecting > user statistics [...cut...] from what I can tell, only > .5% are accessing our site with Lynx We don't (well, at least I don't) have statistics by browser, but our weekly Web stats indicate the "top 50 client hosts accessing server"; in other words, the IP/name address of the clients which most accessed our Web site on that week. What we see is that most of those 50 clients are local (on-campus), and that UNIX client hosts (hence Lynx users) amount to the top ten. Conclusion: for us, we cannot ignore Lynx users. -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Bibliotheque des sciences Universite du Quebec a Montreal -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- From pulrich at agb-berlin1.win-ip.dfn.de Tue Aug 5 18:45:45 1997 From: pulrich at agb-berlin1.win-ip.dfn.de (pulrich) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Use of Net Nanny in a Lan situation Message-ID: <33E7AD18.DA8C76FB@agb-berlin1.win-ip.dfn.de> We have purchased Net Nanny for the young adult department of our library and have encountered a problem: we have 4 PCs networked to a local LAN (Server: Windows NT, Clients Windows 95). We have been unable to install Net Nanny to work on this LAN. Can anyone give us any clues as to how we can install Net Nanny in this environment? Thank you. -- Paul S. Ulrich Informationsdienste / Information Services Zentral- und Landesbibliothek Berlin / Berlin Central and Regional Library Amerika-Gedenkbibliothek / America Memorial Library Bluecherplatz 1 10961 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 (30) 202 86 149 NEU / NEW !!! Fax: +49 (30) 202 86 172 NEU / NEW !!! e-mail: pulrich@agb-berlin1.win-ip.dfn.de From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Tue Aug 5 11:53:50 1997 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <9707058708.AA870803906@smtpgwy.isinet.com> While our site may not have many Lynx users, we are still offering alternatives to tables that can be read by Lynx users and non-tables compatible browsers. We are not considering a completely Lynx-compatible parallel site (we don't have much that that is complicated either). As we consider offering more complex capabilities, it is useful to have some idea of what browsers our visitors are using. Elisa Miller "Whatever you can do or Institute for Scientific Information dream you can, begin it. 3501 Market Street Boldness has genius, power Philadelphia, Pa 19104 and magic in it." (215)386-0100 x 1395 Goethe emiller@isinet.com URL - http://www.isinet.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Browser use statistics Author: grondin.luc@uqam.ca at INTERNET Date: 8/5/97 10:49 AM At 06:17 05/08/97 -0700, Elisa Miller wrote: > I can't speak for the rest of the world, but we have been collecting > user statistics [...cut...] from what I can tell, only > .5% are accessing our site with Lynx We don't (well, at least I don't) have statistics by browser, but our weekly Web stats indicate the "top 50 client hosts accessing server"; in other words, the IP/name address of the clients which most accessed our Web site on that week. What we see is that most of those 50 clients are local (on-campus), and that UNIX client hosts (hence Lynx users) amount to the top ten. Conclusion: for us, we cannot ignore Lynx users. -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Bibliotheque des sciences Universite du Quebec a Montreal -------======<<<<<>>>>>======------- From kjustie at nslsilus.ORG Tue Aug 5 11:31:58 1997 From: kjustie at nslsilus.ORG (Kevin Justie) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics In-Reply-To: <199708050030.UAA17712@scils.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: >I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity >of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. Today >I was chided for considering how a Web page would look in lynx and I was >told t"only 5% of Internet users use lynx and the number is dwindling" You might want to take a look at our July stats page at http://www.webrary.org/mgpl/statspublic.html. We don't have a huge number of hits (200-300/day), but our stats program is set up to group Explorer and Netscape, which account for about 78% of hits (Lynx is 3.55%), by version and platform (Mac or Win) -- Explorer 3 Mac, Netscape Windows 4, etc. We did this to help us determine which of the newer HTML tags to utilize in an upcoming redesign of our site. Kevin Justie Head of Technical and Automated Services Morton Grove Public Library, Morton Grove, IL (847) 965-4220 kjustie@mgk.nslsilus.org http://www.webrary.org/ Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect offical Library policy. *** "The box said Windows 95 or better,...So I bought a Mac." *** From lavendel at parc.xerox.com Tue Aug 5 15:14:54 1997 From: lavendel at parc.xerox.com (giuliana lavendel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Website size stats Message-ID: <33E77BAD.593D@parc.xerox.com> I wonder if anyone can help me with Web size statistics -- or a source for the same. Questions like: How many sites have fewer than 10 pages? 10-50 pages? More than 100 pages? Actually, the above numbers are irrelevant, any breakdown will do! Thanks, all. Giuliana Lavendel Xerox PARC From ych at ican.net Tue Aug 5 19:32:35 1997 From: ych at ican.net (York County Hospital) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: copying large files Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805163235.006fb5c8@ican.net> Need to know: Is it possible to copy files larger than 1.4 megabytes from hard drive to 1.4 megabyte floppy disks? if so, how? Thanks. kathy dedrick york county hospital health sciences library newmarket,ontario ych@ican.net From tkoen at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Tue Aug 5 16:59:51 1997 From: tkoen at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Tiffany Koen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970805155557.3cf7bdee@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> _____________________________________________________________________________ Position: Systems Librarian The University of South Alabama seeks an individual to manage the University Library computer systems. The person in this position reports to the Director of Libraries. Specific responsibilities include analyzing the use of computer systems by the University Library; recommending policy and goals; and managing NOTIS, Solaris and Novell. Other duties include overseeing the management of University Library networks; planning the migration to a new library system; acting as liaison to library software and hardware vendors; reviewing and approving specifications for computer equipment, software, and peripherals used in the library. Responsible for coordination of staff training and continuing education relating to the computer systems used by the library. Prepares statistical reports; uses SAS for data retrieval and statistical reports with NOTIS. Required qualifications are an ALA-accredited MLS (a master's degree in a related field, combined with library-related experience may be considered in lieu of the MLS) and four years experience with an integrated library system (NOTIS preferred). Experience with OCLC, UNIX administration (Solaris preferred), NetWare administration, SAS programming, facility in use of Microsoft Office and Internet applications is also required. This is an academic, tenure-track, 12-month appointment at the Assistant Librarian rank or higher. Salary is negotiable. Excellent benefits. Deadline for applications is October 1, 1997. Submit a letter, resume and names of three professional references to: Vera Finley, Chair, Search Committee, Room 75 - University Library, University of South Alabama, Mobile, AL 36688. For information about the University Library, see the homepage at http://southmed.usouthal.edu/univlib/univlib.html From awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us Tue Aug 5 17:29:53 1997 From: awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us (Alan Withoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: copying large files References: <3.0.1.32.19970805163235.006fb5c8@ican.net> Message-ID: <33E79B51.D69C422C@mlc.lib.ms.us> York County Hospital wrote: > > Need to know: > > Is it possible to copy files larger than 1.4 megabytes from hard drive to > 1.4 megabyte floppy disks? > if so, how? Thanks. > kathy dedrick > york county hospital > health sciences library > newmarket,ontario > ych@ican.net Try Winzip http://www.winzip.com -- It is a compression program that allows disk spanning, backing up files larger than 1.4M on multiple floppies. -- Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 "I hate quotations"-Ralph W. Emerson From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Tue Aug 5 22:18:56 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Time, Space, Matter and the Milky Way: Facet Analysis of the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH) Message-ID: <9708060220.AA15798@library.berkeley.edu> Time, Space, Matter and the Milky Way: Facet Analysis of the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH) For my ever-ending (yes, it is _still_ ever-ending) review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri, I am interested in learning of _any effort than has performed a Faceted Analysis of the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH). I'm particularly interested in the any application of the philosophy of Dr. Facet, S.R. Ranganthan, of Facet Analysis to LCSH. Other efforts to Facet LCSH are also of interest. In one or more of his writings, Dr. R categorized ALL of KNOWLEDGE into Four Major Facets: Time Space Energy Matter Personality [He didn't say anything about the Milky Way (that I know about), but I like the Candy Bar {:->] As always, any citations, suggestions, reactions, critiques, comments, insights [faceted or otherwise] will be most welcome.

Thanks

Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymnck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "Show Me the System" P.S. How About a Conference on Ranganthan to Recognize Dr. R's contribution to 21st century IR? He _was_ a Mind A Head of It's Time [:->] From alikemp at tpgi.com.au Wed Aug 6 00:08:07 1997 From: alikemp at tpgi.com.au (alikemp) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Elf's and library security systems Message-ID: <33E7F8A7.784F@tpgi.com.au> I am interested in hearing from anyone who considered the implications of electromagnetic emmissions from electronic library security systems when selecting and installing a new system. Do you have any concerns? Do you know what level of EMR your staff are operating in? Have you decided against system due to possible implications? Design factors to limit EMR. Alison Kemp PO BOX 155 Gympie 4570 Queensland Australia Tel: 07 54821359 E-mail: alikemp@tpgi.com.au From gus at asbestos.lib.rmit.edu.au Wed Aug 6 02:33:14 1997 From: gus at asbestos.lib.rmit.edu.au (Angus Waddell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:01 2005 Subject: Public Access Message-ID: Hi all :- I work in the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology library and am faced with the following project which I would appreciate some help with: Currently we have numerous public terminals that allow access to netscape, aswell as the usuall staff machines, all running under a Windows 3.1 environment / Netscape 3 environment. What I plan on having is a staff setup that limits the amount of sites available to all except 'nudey' sites, and a public setup that can only access sites within a certain domain (ie rmit.edu.au), or a list of sites that I can define. I have tried programs such as ikiosk but have found, whilst it is very good, doesn't have all these capabilities. Any help on similar setups would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance Angus ------------------------------------------- Angus Waddell Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Systems Technical Support Officer Melbourne, Australia. Phone +61 3 9660 3983 Fax +61 3 9663 3047 ------------------------------------------- From lockefeer at limburg.be Wed Aug 6 12:14:18 1997 From: lockefeer at limburg.be (Wim Lockefeer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Limited acces (was : Use of Net Nanny in a Lan situation) References: <33E7AD18.DA8C76FB@agb-berlin1.win-ip.dfn.de> Message-ID: <33E8A2DA.6D23A2E7@limburg.be> pulrich wrote: > > We have purchased Net Nanny for the young adult department of our > library and have encountered a problem: we have 4 PCs networked to a > local LAN (Server: Windows NT, Clients Windows 95). We have been > unable > to install Net Nanny to work on this LAN. Can anyone give us any clues > as to how we can install Net Nanny in this environment? On a par with this question, does anybody know of a way to limit access of certain pc's in a lan to the internet, let's say to urls beginning with a certain string ? We would like to use low end PC's as web-based OPACs to our catalogue, but our patrons are not supposed to use these machines as public internet terminals. thanx Wim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wim Lockefeer, Media Coordinator lockefeer@limburg.be Provincie Limburg tel : +32 (0)11 237 528 Universiteitslaan 1, B-3500 Hasselt (Belgium) fax : +32 (0)11 237 510 From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Wed Aug 6 04:13:44 1997 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Fall '97 Make the Link Workshops Message-ID: MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP (WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE) The Make the Link Workshop (World Wide Web for Everyone) is an eight week long distance learning workshop conducted entirely by HTML mail*. It introduces the beginner to the World Wide Web (WWW), the Internet's distributed hypermedia information system, and enhances the skills of the somewhat more experienced user as well. The workshop has been newly updated to reflect the latest information on HTML authoring tools, including NetObjects Fusion, Microsoft Front Page and Netscape Navigator Gold. The workshop also includes guidance on how to select an Internet service provider. The WWW is a powerful hyper-textual medium for integrating all of the resources of the Internet. You can read through a page of text, and on the spur of the moment, link to related information anywhere in the world. For example, after reading a short piece on twentieth century abstract art, you can link to and view a collection of color prints of paintings by Picasso, Klee, and Mondrian. High school history students reading about Sir Winston Churchill can link to a page where, at the click of a mouse button, recordings of his actual speeches can be played. A business woman in Paris, France can check out the "home page" of her counterpart in Montreal, Canada, complete with her picture and professional vita. There are thousands of computers throughout the world on the Web, and literally millions of interconnected WWW pages, and all are easily accessible from your desktop computer. The first graphical WWW browsers became available in 1993. Since the introduction of the hugely successful Netscape Navigator in 1994, WWW browsers have provided access to most of the main Internet functions, including the WWW, FTP, gopher, telnet, USENET news, e-mail, and real-time audio and video. The WWW, or simply, "the Web" is the Internet's "killer application" that integrates a variety of media, including text, images, sound, video and small Java computer programs called applets. For example, a chemistry student can view a three-dimensional picture of a molecule, and view it from any direction or simply make it appear to slowly rotate in space on the screen. New browser scripting languages, such as JavaScript, have been developed for creating a myriad of interactive Web pages. Having a WWW home page providing one's personal information has become the 1990's version of the business card, resume, voice mail, and on occasion, electronic recreation area, all rolled into one. In fact, the WWW provides an opportunity to participate and collaborate with others at many levels. It can be a great way to network with colleagues and associates or even to reach potential customers concerning products or services. The Make the Link Workshop will focus on how to gain maximum advantage from this simple to use, yet very sophisticated, Internet tool. During the Workshop, you will learn: * How to gain access to the WWW, including information on setting up a direct TCP/IP connection to the Internet (SLIP/CSLIP/PPP). * How to link to specific Web resources using Uniform Resource Locators (URLs). This includes how to construct URLs for various kinds of resources, such as WWW, gopher, FTP, telnet, etc. * How to distinguish between various kinds of WWW browsers, including Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Lynx, etc. and the strengths and weaknesses of each. * How to navigate Webspace and use various searching tools such as MetaCrawler, SavvySearch, Alta Vista, Infoseek, HotBot, CMU Lycos, WebCrawler, and others. * To make WWW bookmarks and organize your bookmarks with Hypertext Markup Language (HTML). * How to effectively and efficiently design your own home page with HTML, and how to install it on a server. * The principles of good home page design, in order to project a favorable image for you and/or your employer or business. * The advantages and disadvantages of HTML editors, such as NetObjects Fusion, Netscape Navigator Gold, Microsoft FrontPage, Claris Home Page, HoTMetaL, and HTML Assistant, and related utilities. Three Make the Link Workshop sessions will be scheduled for this fall. The dates are: August Session........... August 11 - October 3 September Session........ September 2 - October 24 October Session.......... September 29 - November 21 The cost of the Workshop is $20 US. Sign up for ONE session only unless you plan to take the Workshop more than once. To sign up for one of the Make the Link Workshop sessions, please send an e-mail message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include: subscribe links-aug to subscribe to the August session, or subscribe links-sep to subscribe to the September session, or subscribe links-oct to subscribe to the October session. This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about the Workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send e-mail to this address: tcopley@arlington.com In order to get the most from this Workshop it is helpful to have either Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Internet Explorer, or another graphical Web browser actually running one on your own computer directly connected to the Internet. If you wish to run Navigator or another browser you will need to have a computer with a TCP/IP connection, that is, a direct connection to the Internet. Information will be provided during the workshop about how to set up a TCP/IP connection. In order to participate in the Workshop you only need access to e-mail. However, it is very desirable to actually use a WWW browser. The Workshop leader, Thomas P. Copley, Ph.D., has taught the popular Make the Link Workshop since 1995. He is also the author of the Tune In the Net Workshop , which will also be conducted this fall. During 1994-5 he taught the Go-pher-it Workshop almost a dozen times. Go-pher-it was one of the first Internet workshops taught entirely by e-mail. Dr. Copley is one of the founders of the Electronic University in San Francisco, and is an experienced instructor of distance learning courses via networks. In addition to consulting for Apple Computer, Inc. on hyper-textual distance learning software, Copley has served on the faculties of Washington State University, Antioch College, and Armstrong University. He is also the Editor of the electronic newsletter the TELELEARNING NETWORK SYNTHESIZER, and the moderator of the de-marketing (distance education) mailing list. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Make the Link Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From stegmann at ukbf.fu-berlin.de Wed Aug 6 07:52:05 1997 From: stegmann at ukbf.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Stegmann) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: copying large files In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970805163235.006fb5c8@ican.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, York County Hospital wrote: > > Is it possible to copy files larger than 1.4 megabytes from hard drive to > 1.4 megabyte floppy disks? > If the hard drive computer is a unix machine you can use the "split" command to divide the file in parts < 1.4 MB, and to re-unite the parts on the PC you use the copy ... + ... command. If you have at least access to a unix computer you can copy the large file by ftp (binary) to that machine and "split" it there. Regards, Johannes ****************************************************************************** | Dr. Johannes Stegmann | Universitaetsklinikum Benjamin Franklin | | Freie Universitaet Berlin | Medizinische Bibliothek | | stegmann@ukbf.fu-berlin.de | Hindenburgdamm 30 | | Phone: +49 30 8445 2035 | D-12200 Berlin | | Fax: +49 30 8445 4454 | GERMANY | | Homepage: http://pollux.zedat.fu-berlin.de/~ukbfmbst | ****************************************************************************** From ANAND.INFO at ap.deuba.com Wed Aug 6 09:00:47 1997 From: ANAND.INFO at ap.deuba.com (ANAND.INFO@ap.deuba.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: copying large files Message-ID: <0038400001102375000002*@MHS> FILE SPLITTER File Splitter is a very useful utility for anyone who frequently needs to copy large files or programs onto floppy disks. The program offers a fast and accurate method of dividing large files into smaller, more manageable, file sizes that you can copy to floppy disks. In use, you need only select the specific file to be split and specify the number of pieces you desire. The program then divides the file into the sections you indicated. A reassemble option permits you to rejoin divided files to recreate the original, large file or program. File Splitter will allow you to divide any file into up to as many as 99 separate sections. This version is a maintenance update that adds an automatic reassembly feature and a disk space checker. It is a shareware, free to try , $ 6.5 If you decide to keep it Requirements Windows 95 URL: http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?link=1&fcode=000FMV Requirements Windows 95 SOURCE: POINTCAT Regards, Anand. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Anand T B Executive- Library & Information Services, Deutsche Software ( India) Ltd, Deutsche Bank Group, # 26-27, 8th Floor, Raheja Towers, M. G. Road, Bangalore 560 001, INDIA E-mail: anand.info@ap.deuba.com ______________________________________________________________________________________________ From mhuber1 at umbc.edu Wed Aug 6 09:03:08 1997 From: mhuber1 at umbc.edu (Michael Huber) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Fluke - Windows Scripting Language Message-ID: I wanted to pass on where to find info about fluke and now I can't seem to find it. Anyone have a web address? Thanks, ___________________________________________________________ ____) Michael Huber - Library Computing Services ______) ) Opinions and Ideas expressed above are (c) by M. Huber ) --------------------------------------------------------- From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Aug 6 08:59:57 1997 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Public Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those trying to lock browsers into specific web sites, give Net Nanny a try. We have been testing a demo copy and have been very satisfied with its ability to lock a browser into specified sites. You can choose a "GO TO" option that allows the browser to only go to a predefined list of sites. This makes it very useful for those with web-based OPACs who don't want these terminals to be used by would-be net surfers. Net Nanny is at: http://www.netnanny.com Note: Last time I was there, you needed to download a fix to their latest release or it won't function properly with Netscape 3.x. Don't forget to do that! Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI, USA On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Angus Waddell wrote: > > Hi all :- > > I work in the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology library and am > faced with the following project which I would appreciate some help with: > > Currently we have numerous public terminals that allow access to > netscape, aswell as the usuall staff machines, all running under a > Windows 3.1 environment / Netscape 3 environment. > What I plan on having is a staff setup that limits the amount of sites > available to all except 'nudey' sites, and a public setup that can only > access sites within a certain domain (ie rmit.edu.au), or a list of sites > that I can define. > I have tried programs such as ikiosk but have found, whilst it is very > good, doesn't have all these capabilities. Any help on similar setups > would be much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Angus > ------------------------------------------- > Angus Waddell > Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology > Systems Technical Support Officer > Melbourne, Australia. > > Phone +61 3 9660 3983 > Fax +61 3 9663 3047 > ------------------------------------------- > > From webguru at gtu.edu Wed Aug 6 12:13:10 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: copying large files In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970805163235.006fb5c8@ican.net> Message-ID: At 1:44 PM -0700 8/5/97, York County Hospital wrote: > >Is it possible to copy files larger than 1.4 megabytes from hard drive to >1.4 megabyte floppy disks? >if so, how? Thanks. Yes The details depend on your platform. Since others have covered UNIX & DOS/Windows I'll suggest the following: Stuffit for Mac can split and rejoin files quite well. Also are the files compressed to begin with? If not you probably can compress then and then transfer them to floppies. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From shaffer at uic.edu Wed Aug 6 14:38:21 1997 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Chris Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Internet Librarian '97 Conference Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970806113821.0092e6f0@tigger.cc.uic.edu> Does anyone know much about the Internet Librarian '97 conference being held in Monterey, California this November? I've browsed the materials at , but can't tell if it will be a useful conference or if it's just a vendor marketing tool. Any opinions? ----- "The philosopher is the one who will contribute a paper on the hangman paradox to a symposium on capital punishment." --James D. McCawley Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From pohjolak at lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us Wed Aug 6 13:54:04 1997 From: pohjolak at lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us (pohjolak@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Thanks for support...etc Message-ID: Greetings web4libbers, A few months ago, part of an e-mail message authored by myself regarding the Internet filtering and censorship issues happening in the Warren Public Library were posted to this list. First and foremost, I'd like to thank everyone for their support! I was amazed to see the numbers of e-mails that were coming in with links to articles dealing with the censorship/filtering issue. Thank you thank you thank you! Second - thanks to the presenters of "Sex in the Stacks, News at 11," a great session that I attended at ALA in SanFrancisco. I've gotten lots of ideas and hopefully we'll be able to implement some of them (: And third, here's an update on the situation: (mostly opinion based, and that opinion is all mine!) -The Macomb County Board of Commissioners has decided to install a filtering system at the county level. I believe this is still in the works, and no final decisions have been made. -City Councilwoman Gloria Sankuer, however, still wants to either cut Internet access as a whole, or add filters to remove pornography and other undesirable "stuff" from the 'net in order to protect children in the city. I'm sure all of you saw the mention of article in the Detroit Free Press and/or the Detroit News regarding the situation involving a library staff member and councilwoman Sankuer. Although this situation has yet to reach resolution, the atmosphere here at the library seems to be a much more positive one. On a humorous note, four Gloria Sankuer websites have cropped up! All are linked from this site: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/5490 . We've also had lots of public support from patrons - one even stopped into a branch and made a cash donation! Again, thanks so much for the kind words of support. Maybe I'm being an optimist, but hopefully everyone can find a middle ground and we can get back to the work we really want to be doing - creating useful Internet resources and working with patrons (: -- Kate A. Pohjola Warren Public Library Library Technician Warren, Michigan Walt Whitman Branch http://www.macomb.lib.mi.us/warren From carney at sequent.com Wed Aug 6 13:16:00 1997 From: carney at sequent.com (Brian Carney (carney)) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Internet Librarian '97 Conference Message-ID: <33E8B181@ushqgw.sequent.com> Look at http://www.infotoday.com/internet/intlib.htm. Check back on 15 August 1997 when they will have a more detailed agenda posted. Brian Carney Knowledge Officer / American Operations Sequent Computer Systems carney@sequent.com ---------- From: web4lib To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Internet Librarian '97 Conference Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 9:51AM Does anyone know much about the Internet Librarian '97 conference being held in Monterey, California this November? I've browsed the materials at , but can't tell if it will be a useful conference or if it's just a vendor marketing tool. Any opinions? ----- "The philosopher is the one who will contribute a paper on the hangman paradox to a symposium on capital punishment." --James D. McCawley Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu Wed Aug 6 14:13:09 1997 From: gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu (Jean P. Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Elf's and library security systems References: <33E7F8A7.784F@tpgi.com.au> Message-ID: <33E8BEB5.66AC@dominican.edu> alison, The only security system we were able to locate in the San Francisco Bay Area that uses a magnetic field instead of an electromagnetic field is now out of business. It turned out to be a very poor system for libraries, too many false alarms. It drive the circ desk people crazy! I did find a couple of good web sites: http://www.nzine.co.nz/features/neilcherry.html http://www.microwavenews.com/ Good luck Jean Gordon > > I am interested in hearing from anyone who considered the implications > of electromagnetic emmissions from electronic library security systems > when selecting and installing a new system. > > Do you have any concerns? Do you know what level of EMR your staff are > operating in? Have you decided against system due to possible > implications? Design factors to limit EMR. > > Alison Kemp > PO BOX 155 > Gympie 4570 > Queensland Australia > Tel: 07 54821359 > E-mail: alikemp@tpgi.com.au -- ************************************************************* Jean P. Gordon Phone: 415-257-0196 Archbishop Alemany Library Fax: 415-459-2309 Dominican College 50 Acacia Avenue E-mail: gordonjp@dominican.edu San Rafael, CA 94901 Web page: http://www.dominican.edu ************************************************************* From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Wed Aug 6 13:34:32 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Elf's and library security systems In-Reply-To: <33E8BEB5.66AC@dominican.edu> Message-ID: My college physics degree may be getting a little rusty, but I don't believe there is a difference between a "magnetic" field and am "electromagnetic" field, unless by the former you mean one that is constant, not varying. On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Jean P. Gordon wrote: > alison, > > The only security system we were able to locate in the San Francisco Bay > Area that uses a magnetic field instead of an electromagnetic field is > now out of business. It turned out to be a very poor system for > libraries, too many false alarms. It drive the circ desk people crazy! > > I did find a couple of good web sites: > > http://www.nzine.co.nz/features/neilcherry.html > > http://www.microwavenews.com/ > > Good luck > > Jean Gordon > > > > I am interested in hearing from anyone who considered the implications > > of electromagnetic emmissions from electronic library security systems > > when selecting and installing a new system. > > > > Do you have any concerns? Do you know what level of EMR your staff are > > operating in? Have you decided against system due to possible > > implications? Design factors to limit EMR. > > > > Alison Kemp > > PO BOX 155 > > Gympie 4570 > > Queensland Australia > > Tel: 07 54821359 > > E-mail: alikemp@tpgi.com.au > > -- > ************************************************************* > Jean P. Gordon Phone: 415-257-0196 > Archbishop Alemany Library Fax: 415-459-2309 > Dominican College > 50 Acacia Avenue E-mail: gordonjp@dominican.edu > San Rafael, CA 94901 Web page: http://www.dominican.edu > ************************************************************* > Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. NOTE NEW LOCATIONS (as of January '97): personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com -or- 71021,1365@compuserve.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From LYSIAKLD at conrad.appstate.edu Wed Aug 6 11:08:06 1997 From: LYSIAKLD at conrad.appstate.edu (Lynne D. Lysiak) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: LITA National Institutes Survey Message-ID: <01IM4GPN44GK9S57B5@conrad.appstate.edu> Your input is solicited to help LITA (Library and Information Technology Association) plan national institutes. LITA has decided not to hold full-scale national conferences every two to three years. There is significant interest in replacing these conferences with annual, high quality, two-day institutes focused on a "hot" topic in library technology. The LITA Board is seeking further information which will help select appealing models, topics and locales for these national institutes. To assess potential attendees' preferences in developing such programs, LITA's Program Planning Committee is distributing this questionnaire via email to LITA-L, LIBADMIN, WEB4LIB, WEBCAT-L, AUTOCAT, PACS-L, and ASIS-L. Please respond via email to lysiakld@appstate.edu by August 31, 1997. Results will be tallied and reported to President Linda Miller before the LITA Executive Committee meeting in Chicago, September 22, 1997. Thanks in advance for your responses, LITA's Program Planning Committee ----------------------------------Cut Here---------------------------------- LITA NATIONAL INSTITUTES SURVEY AUGUST, 1997 TOPICS: Please rank each of the following topics according to your interest level for attending a LITA National Institute: (1=most interest, 5=least interest) ___ Information technology policy issues (filtering, Communications Decency Act, etc.) ___ Client-server technology transitions ___ Intelligent agent software ___ Latest technology "hot topics" (including vendor demonstrations) ___ Copyright/fair use of digital information ___ Digital resources: purchase/licensing/integration with print resources ___ Internet issues (including international level) ___ Metadata ___ Z39.50 ___ Web administration ___ Other (please specify): /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// MODELS: Several models of formats for LITA National Institutes are being considered in light of factors that affect attendance at professional meetings such as travel time, cost, potential discounts, meeting length and disrupted work weeks. Please indicate which of the following options are most appealing to you in deciding to attend a LITA National Institute: Please indicate which of the following schedule options you prefer for a LITA National Institute (select one): ___ Weekend Institute (little work disruption) ___ Weekday Institute ___ Weekday/weekend Institute (Saturday night stay over for airfare) ___ Other (please specify): ___ Doesn't matter Please indicate your preferred time of year for attending a LITA National Institute (select one): ___ Summer ___ Fall ___ Winter ___ Spring ___ Doesn't matter Please indicate which of the following site options you prefer for a LITA National Institute (select one): ___ Airport hotel/conference center (minimizes travel time/cost and emphasizes the working nature of the meeting) ___ Downtown hotel (provides off-hours opportunities and dining diversity) ___ Other (please specify): ___ Doesn't matter Please indicate which of the following activities options you prefer for a LITA National Institute (select one): ___ No off time recreational activities scheduled ___ Off hours scheduled activities ___ Other (please specify): ___ Doesn't matter Please indicate which of the following location options you prefer for a LITA National Institute (select one): ___ Location offers cultural opportunities ___ Location offers family-oriented recreational opportunities ___ Location offers developmental opportunities ___ Other (please specify): ___ Doesn't matter Other models: (please specify): /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// SITES: The National Institutes are expected to have fewer than 600 registrants for each meeting. With that expectation, second-tier cities, nodes for major airlines, can serve well to provide travel and hotel discounts. Please indicate which one of the following possibilities is the most attractive: ___ Maintain a permanent single city location for annual LITA National Institutes. suggestion for city: ___ Rotate bicoastal city locations for a two-year cycle. suggestions for two cities: ___ Rotate city locations--east, middle, west--for a three-year cycle using the same three cities. suggestions for three cities: ___ Locate the annual National Institute in a different city each year suggestions: ___ Other (please specify): ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// REGISTRATION FEES: Institute registration fees can be designed to include lunch and break food and beverages. Please indicate your preference for registration fees (select one): ___ Include lunch and breaks in registration fees ___ Do not include lunch and breaks in registration fees ___ Include breaks only in registration fees ___ Doesn't matter The National Institutes are conceived as two day meetings focused on a current, "hot" library automation topic. National-level high profile speakers will be the presenters. Please indicate the highest registration fee for this type of quality meeting that you consider affordable to attend (excluding food, beverages and lodging): ___ $200-249 ___ $250-299 ___ $300-349 ___ $350-399 ___ $400-449 ___ Other (please specify): //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Of the following six factors, please rank the order of factors for you in determining attendance at a LITA National Institute: (1=most important, 6=least important) ___ Format of meeting ___ Location ___ Overall travel/lodging cost ___ Registration fee ___ Topic ___ Well known speakers Please rate the likelihood that you would regularly expect to attend a LITA National Institute, providing that it addressed most of your strong preferences above: (1=most likely to attend regularly, 5=unlikely to attend) _____ Please indicate your memberships: ___ LITA ___ ALA (non LITA) ___ ASIS ___ Other: (please specify) /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Additional Comments: Thanks for your participation! Please forward your response via email by August 31, 1997 to: lysiakld@appstate.edu From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Wed Aug 6 16:04:50 1997 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Fluke - Windows Scripting Language Message-ID: <150B32512C@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Hi I think what your after is Flute. Look at http://www.wtitle.demon.co.uk/flute.htm Regards Glen > I wanted to pass on where to find info about fluke and now I can't seem to > find it. Anyone have a web address? > > Thanks, > > ___________________________________________________________ > ____) Michael Huber - Library Computing Services ______) > ) Opinions and Ideas expressed above are (c) by M. Huber ) > --------------------------------------------------------- > > *********************************************************** Glen Davies Information Technology Librarian Christchurch College of Education Christchurch New Zealand glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz 64-3-343 7737 ************************************************************ "I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby, ch3 ************************************************************ From VTHOMPSON at gw.uscs.edu Wed Aug 6 16:55:44 1997 From: VTHOMPSON at gw.uscs.edu (Vicki Thompson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Charging for Printing Message-ID: I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions on my network printing cost recovery problem. I have contacted several companies and hopefully make a decision soon. When we make our choice and get the system installed, I will let everyone know how things are going. Thanks again, Vicki Thompson, Systems Librarian USC Spartanburg Library 800 University Way Spartanburg, SC 29303 From rhartman at rain.org Wed Aug 6 17:27:31 1997 From: rhartman at rain.org (Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Internet Librarian '97 Conference In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970806113821.0092e6f0@tigger.cc.uic.edu> Message-ID: All I've see so far is the brochure...but I can't go anyway! It is scheduled in Monterrey at the SAME time as the California Library Association Conference in Pasadena! Great timing.... (:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=)(;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o Ruth Hartman Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: 651 E. Main St., :::: Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: (voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: ===================================================> *::::: Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: *Libraries serve humanity. :::: *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. *Protect free access to knowledge. *Honor the past & create the future. (American Libraries 9/95) (-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I-:){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Chris Shaffer wrote: > Does anyone know much about the Internet Librarian '97 conference being > held in Monterey, California this November? I've browsed the materials at > , but can't tell if it will be a useful > conference or if it's just a vendor marketing tool. Any opinions? > > ----- > "The philosopher is the one who will contribute a paper on the > hangman paradox to a symposium on capital punishment." --James D. > McCawley > Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ > > From curr at smtpinet.aspensys.com Wed Aug 6 07:24:51 1997 From: curr at smtpinet.aspensys.com (Clifford Urr) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Logic of Costing CD-ROM and Other Databases for Institutions Message-ID: <9707068709.AA870917282@smtpinet.aspensys.com> Can anyone explain how institutional prices are arrived at for access to a commercial database? That is, what is the logic behind calculating pricing a college library of say, 500 students as distinct from pricing the same database for access to one person? (This assumes any of the 500 students can get access to the database.) Cliff Urr, Senior Manager, Information Services, Aspen Systems 2277 Research Blvd. MS-2A Rockville, MD 20850 1-301-519-5828 curr@aspensys.com From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Wed Aug 6 18:33:14 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics -Reply Message-ID: This mini survey of browser stats confirms my previous impression that the answer is "it all depends". To get any realistic numbers, on a general basis, you'd have to cumulate figures from many sites, and/or look at major national sites that are not oriented to a particular platform or a particular browser. For specific analysis, you can only analyze your own stats. Our current figures are less than one percent lynx, since almost all of our local clients, on or off campus, are using graphical browsers. Two years ago we had over fifteen percent lynx for a variety of reasons. We've seen the same change in IE catching up on NS, but not at the rate that is touted in ads and national articles. Why? We have a large installed base of NS users, both internally and externally. After all, NS was there first and many people don't change or upgrade as often as some of us. However, now that all new campus computers come with Win95 and IE on them, some are starting to change. Also, the New User CDROMs from local ISPs generally include recent versions of both NS and IE. I recommend that people use lynx-friendly techniques, but with GUI web page creation tools it isn't always as "easy" or "automatic" to do so. And, many simply don't bother. I don't obsess about it, as our pages are not graphics intensive anyway, and we don't use graphics-only links. So, as is usually the case, "it all depends". o-) dan From SLATER at macc.wisc.edu Wed Aug 6 19:44:00 1997 From: SLATER at macc.wisc.edu (Diana Slater) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Position Vacancy Message-ID: <27080617441295@vms2.macc.wisc.edu> We would appreciate your sharing this vacancy listing with anyone who might be a suitable candidate for the position POSITION VACANCY INFORMATION PROCESSING CONSULTANT HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARIES UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN - MADISON The Health Sciences Libraries are seeking a creative, energetic Information Processing Consultant for a full-time, continuing position. This person's primary responsibility will be to develop high-end, high-quality application programs to support the H.S. Libraries public and office functions. Two challenging aspects will be the integration of the various levels and component parts of the Libraries' automated infrastructure and writing programs to process Web forms submitted by users in locations remote from the library. Some examples of day-to-day work include complex Web page development, evaluating and testing software (often in a team approach), customizing commercial software for local use, database development, preparation of technical support documentation, and training staff and users. The Health Sciences Libraries are comprised of three separate facilities and serve the information needs of the Schools of Medicine, Nursing, and Pharmacy, other academic groups such as various departments of the Graduate School, and the UW Hospitals and Clinics. The constituency served is on the Madison campus as well as locations scattered throughout the state of Wisconsin. The H.S. Libraries support a sophisticated Web-menuing system and a growing number of electronic resources and functions available to users connected remotely to the Health Sciences Libraries servers. For more information about the Libraries, consult this site on the World Wide Web: http://www.biostat.wisc.edu/chslib/ QUALIFICATIONS: A Bachelor's degree in computer or information science or related field is required. Must be able to demonstrate success in writing sophisticated computer programs and documenting those programs. Working knowledge of all or an appropriate combination of the following is preferred: Unix, HTML, SGML, Web server software, CGI scripts, Perl, C++, Visual Basic, Java, SQL, and multiple DBMS programs. System administration experience or working knowledge of the Unix operating system (Solaris 2.5 in use) and/or Novell Netware 4.x is helpful. Hands-on systems management experience with Windows 95 and/or Windows NT is helpful. To be successful in the position, the individual selected must be an independent learner, a team player, demonstrate strong organizational and communication skills, maintain a lively interest in the health sciences, show an ability to use the Internet and Internet protocols in the work environment, and enjoy teaching computer concepts and skills to co-workers and library users. Extensive technical and project management experience is also highly valued. TO APPLY: Submit letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of three references to: Josephine Crawford PVL #27420 Health Sciences Libraries (G) 1305 Linden Drive University of Wisconsin Madison, WI 53706 APPLICATION DEADLINE: August 31, 1997 ALLOWABLE TITLES: Associate Information Processing Consultant; Information Processing Consultant SALARY MINIMUM: $34,900 (Salary negotiable depending upon the experience of the successful candidate) NOTE: UNLESS CONFIDENTIALITY IS REQUESTED IN WRITING, INFORMATION REGARDING THE APPLICATIONS MUST BE RELEASED UPON REQUEST. FINALISTS CANNOT BE GUARANTEED CONFIDENTIALITY. THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN IS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION / EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER. Diana Slater U WI Health Sciences Library 1305 Linden Dr Madison WI 53706 EMAIL: SLATER@DOIT.WISC.EDU FAX: 608-262-4732 TELEPHONE: 608-263-5333 From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Wed Aug 6 18:57:53 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Elf's and library security systems -Reply Message-ID: >>> alikemp 08/05/97 10:29pm >>> I am interested in hearing from anyone who considered the implications of electromagnetic emmissions from electronic library security systems when selecting and installing a new system. ------- We thought about it for about two minutes. End of story. ========== Do you have any concerns? Do you know what level of EMR your staff are operating in? Have you decided against system due to possible implications? Design factors to limit EMR. ----------------- I have NO concerns, and have never read anything of a SERIOUS and scholarly nature that has given reason to be concerned. I've heard a couple of comments from friends who don't even want to walk or jog under power lines, but I consider that to be freaky and illogical. One friend won't walk with me, since my usual route takes me under some 33KV lines a hundred feet in the air for a minute or two out in the middle of the desert. To each his own. Our Campus Safety people can and do EMR readings, and they've not been concerned about this area, which they know about. They're also not concerned about it from contemporary monitors or TV sets. They say it all meets USA federal standards by a wide margin. So, that is good enough for me. I've worked with 3M TattleTape systems for over twenty years in five libraries, and have never had a complaint or problem in these areas. The newer ones don't require as much maintenance and frequent tuning, and are much more reliable. I'm also quite positive that you'll find that their detectors are passive, and are not radiating fields at all times. They are VERY sensitive to nearby CRT monitors, and you must keep them ten or more feet away from the security system to avoid confounding it (distance depends on brand, shielding, orientation of the two devices, etc.). That alone should give you an indication that any fields relating to the security system are extremely low. Plus, people only walk through them for brief periods of time, further minimizing any fears. This is probably getting way off topic for web4lib, but you may wish to take it to circplus@idbsu.idbsu.edu, where this has been discussed in the past, and where there are more people with such concerns. cheers dan (owner of circplus, etc....) Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. . From PETERSONB at baylor.edu Wed Aug 6 19:39:25 1997 From: PETERSONB at baylor.edu (Billie R. Peterson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Looking for a Speaker Message-ID: <01IM4O4OOK6A8XB9RA@baylor.edu> The RUSA/MOPSS Services to Adults Committee is planning a program for next year's ALA Summer conference that deals with library policies, issues, concerns, etc. revolving around adults (not children) using the Internet. We plan to have a panel of 3 speakers: one for the legal/legislative perspective; one for the public library perspective, and one for the academic library perspective. We have some leads for speakers for the legal and public library perspectives, but we've been having a harder time thinking of people who have dealt with and/or spoken on these issues as they relate to academic libraries. If any of you are familiar with someone whom you believe would be knowledgeable in this area and a good speaker, I would appreciate it if you would send me your recommendations. Please send your recommendations to me, not the list; and thanks for any leads or ideas that you might send my way. =========================================================================== _ _ _ | \ | \ | \ Billie Peterson Voice: (254) 710-2344 |_/ |_/ |_/ Moody Memorial Library FAX: (254) 752-5332 | \ |\ | Baylor University Internet: petersonb@baylor.edu |_/ | \ | Waco, TX 76798-7143 =========================================================================== From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Wed Aug 6 19:47:51 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Logic of Costing CD-ROM and Other Databases for Institutions -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Clifford Urr" 08/06/97 04:39pm >>> Can anyone explain how institutional prices are arrived at for access to a commercial database? That is, what is the logic behind calculating pricing a college library of say, 500 students as distinct from pricing the same database for access to one person? (This assumes any of the 500 students can get access to the database.) -------------------- Here are a few comments from a number of years with this issue. All my experience is in medium sized public universities (ca 10-25,000 FTE). The charges follow the first law of business sales, namely "whatever the market will bear". I really believe it is that simple, and that for the vast majority of products that is how the prices are set. Yes, there are basic costs to be recovered, and some desired profit margin. But all this is being developed in a vacuum by people who don't know whether it should be $5,000 or $10,000, and also don't know whether they can sell a hundred or a thousand or ten thousand. I've noticed that prices drift downward more often than not, but in many cases they don't do anything that makes sense to me. Examples: I'll not mention products or companies. All prices are simplified examples and are not to be taken as accurate price figures. Last year a vendor of multiple CDROM databases had products that followed this example: 1 user, not networked, $2000 1 simultaneous user, networked, $3,000 2-8 simultaneous users, networked, $6,000 This year they changed the pattern. The first two are the same, but.... 2-4 simultaneous users, $6,000 5-8 simultaneous users, $9,000 and so forth. They pointed it out and praised themselves for "not increasing prices". Yeah, sure, whatever. For us, on some products, where 4 were adequate, they were right. For other products where we must have more than 4 users, it was a terrible hit. For our needs across a number of products it averaged to about a 20 percent increase overall, which naturally killed a few more journal subscriptions. For web databases, some charge the same schedules for "simultaneous users" on the web as they do for CDROM, which sounds good until you learn they determine "simultanaeity" by cookies, which have a 30 MINUTE expiration. Of course this can mean that four users of a product all leave at the same time, and the next users still can't use it for a while. Incredibly stupid. They even have claimed that it is "impossible" to put in a button to "exit" and thus clear the cookie. They must think we're really stupid. Hell, even I, a nonguru on such things, could write that. On the numbers based on number of users in the university, major, department, or whatever, there is again no consistency. Some want to base it on total FTE students and faculty, some on students only, and some on headcount (a major difference for most urban institutions). Some want you to monitor it so heavily that they are sure you're not letting any non-university people use the product. That is a hassle, no matter how you implement it in a public building. Yes, that is a different issue for private school libraries, where that is done at the entrance anyway. As to how they figure it, I've no idea, other than my original suggestion, plus some theory that some "scientist" or "marketer" figured out.. And, naturally, they won't tell you the answers, since it is company confidential, proprietary, etc, which I DO understand. There are other variations too, and I could mentiion a dozen more, but I'll only hit on one, particularly common among ejournal publishers. This is the basic "Cocaine Theory of Marketing". They express it much like they dealer saying "hey, kid, sniff this stuff and you'll love it, and its free" (naturally for the first little while only). The journal publishers are giving you "free access to the web based version of the journals you subscribe to", and they indeed do. Until next year, of course. A major physics publisher did this last year. Naturally, they now want an extra $200 a year for each journal. I'm the physics liaison librarian, and they loved the full text at their desk. But when they learned it was $1600 extra for this access this year, they said NO!. They would rather walk a couple of blocks to the library (or send their TA, of course) than cut $1600 of other physics journals, as one might expect. I guess all of this proves that neither the librarians nor the publishers know anything about this, and certainly don't know what the information is worth. cheers dan From eroche at sisna.com Wed Aug 6 20:39:06 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970806173904.006f9ae4@mail.sisna.com> You want the webserver survey at Netcraft. New one out just today or yesterday. Go to URL: http://www.netcraft.com/survey/ Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! At 07:59 PM 8/4/97 -0700, Albert Lunde wrote: >>I am looking for statistics on use of Web browsers from the popularity >>of various versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer to lynx. >snipped From pgarvin at crs.loc.gov Wed Aug 6 20:26:31 1997 From: pgarvin at crs.loc.gov (Peggy Garvin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: fortres ctrl-alt-del question Message-ID: Does anyone know if it is possible to have Fortres installed and still use the CTRL-ALT-DEL function *once* to exit a program that has locked up the computer in Windows95? Peggy Garvin, CRS/C, Library of Congress pgarvin@crs.loc.gov The opinions expressed here are mine and do not necessarily represent LC or the Congressional Research Service. From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Wed Aug 6 22:41:21 1997 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Dan Lester wrote: > > I recommend that people use lynx-friendly techniques, but > with GUI web page creation tools it isn't always as "easy" or > "automatic" to do so. And, many simply don't bother. I don't > obsess about it, as our pages are not graphics intensive > anyway, and we don't use graphics-only links. In addition to the argument posed earlier about accessibility to text browsing being disabilities-friendly (which I think is sufficient reason for accessible html in and of itself), I think it bears mention that "lynx usage" isn't the total measure of text-only browsing. Anecdotally I know that some folks regularly turn off image-loading when surfing, particularly at lower modem speeds. My own take is that any graphics should contribute value to the site . . . whether that aids in navigation or supplies real content itself or tangibly enhances the content. Anything else just wastes bandwidth. But this one picture of my cat (or my library) is just *so* pretty . . . . :-) Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 University Library fax 402/554-3215 University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 From Mark at mWilden.com Thu Aug 7 01:20:40 1997 From: Mark at mWilden.com (Mark Wilden) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics -Reply Message-ID: <199708070520.WAA19564@daffy.sna.com> > In addition to the argument posed earlier about accessibility to text > browsing being disabilities-friendly (which I think is sufficient reason > for accessible html in and of itself) I had a long "discussion" on an html newsgroup about this issue. My feeling is that if you're designing a site for yourself, you have the right to limit its accessibility to whatever degree you wish. But if you're designing a library site, it behooves you to make it accessible as possible. This means not using browser-specific features and making it available in text form for those who prefer it (or who can access it in no other way, like the blind). What the folks there finally convinced me of, however, is that you can almost always create a visually expressive page without shutting out text users. Adding an ALT-text is no big deal, after all. From gtyler at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Thu Aug 7 01:36:11 1997 From: gtyler at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Gordon Tyler) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:02 2005 Subject: sacred texts Message-ID: Please pardon the following off-topic message. I've done some cross-posting because of low response so far. I hope to not offend anyone with the following request about sacred scriptures being accessed electronically. I would like to compile a personal WWW reference library of sacred texts of major religions of the world in English translation. Ideally, the texts would also be searchable. I have found a few WWW sites that carry some versions of the Bible, for example, but not all versions, nor other sacred texts. If any of you would be willing to forward to me at my email address below your favorite sacred text sites, I'd be grateful. When I have a sense of a comprehensive collection, I'll post the compilation to this list as a service in thanks. Gordon Tyler Department of Psychiatry out-pt group psychotherapy University of Alberta Hospital gtyler@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From la19mwi at plain.sa.gov.au Thu Aug 7 19:01:08 1997 From: la19mwi at plain.sa.gov.au (Marty Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: terminal emulation problems Message-ID: <33EA53B3.B6E30FD5@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> We are experiencing a number of problems at one of our branch libraries - a joint use school/community facility. We are running Windows 95 over a Novell network and using Procom Plus as the terminal emulation for dynix connection. Some of the more inventive students are either using Procom for other purposes (sending faxes etc.) or closing this down and accessing other applications. Does anyone know of either a way of locking Procom onto the screen or of an alternative emulation package that will avoid these problems?? Thanks in anticipation Marty Williams From la19mwi at plain.sa.gov.au Thu Aug 7 19:07:06 1997 From: la19mwi at plain.sa.gov.au (Marty Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Coffee shops in libraries Message-ID: <33EA551A.964D8BF3@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> While I'm on a roll and further to a request some time ago re internet cafes in libraries, are there any public libraries who have set up a coffee shop / snack bar / cafe, with or without internet terminals?? I would like to know what sort of success or otherwise has been encountered. Ta Marty Williams Noarlunga Library -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19970807/e54e02e1/attachment.htm From morganj at iupui.edu Thu Aug 7 06:25:55 1997 From: morganj at iupui.edu (Jim Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Turning the image off is not quite the same as using lynx. Most browsers can still do a decent job of formatting text, even with the images off. Because of vt100 limitations, lynx can do nothing with text except display it in one font. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Marc Davis wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Dan Lester wrote: > > > > > I recommend that people use lynx-friendly techniques, but > > with GUI web page creation tools it isn't always as "easy" or > > "automatic" to do so. And, many simply don't bother. I don't > > obsess about it, as our pages are not graphics intensive > > anyway, and we don't use graphics-only links. > > In addition to the argument posed earlier about accessibility to text > browsing being disabilities-friendly (which I think is sufficient reason > for accessible html in and of itself), I think it bears mention that "lynx > usage" isn't the total measure of text-only browsing. Anecdotally I know > that some folks regularly turn off image-loading when surfing, > particularly at lower modem speeds. > > My own take is that any graphics should contribute value to the site . . . > whether that aids in navigation or supplies real content itself or > tangibly enhances the content. Anything else just wastes bandwidth. > > But this one picture of my cat (or my library) is just *so* pretty . . . . > :-) > > > Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu > Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 > University Library fax 402/554-3215 > University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 > > From hlcspy at scils.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 7 09:58:58 1997 From: hlcspy at scils.rutgers.edu (Heidi Cramer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: kiosks Message-ID: I have just been given a "special project" to decide what to do with a kiosk that city hall no longer wants. It has been in our lobby for a few weeks and we have had the typical problems with noise (it plays music) and the printer. We're looking to move it out of the main library - possibly to a branch, a corporate center or nonprofit's location. What to make available is the question, internet, periodical databases, library card application, etc. Experiences shared would be appreciated. Of course the administrarion here wants to know what other "large urban public libraries" are doing, but since there aren't too many scholarly articles about this, I'd appreciate all responses. From bruceh at csufresno.edu Thu Aug 7 10:18:34 1997 From: bruceh at csufresno.edu (Bruce Hinman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: terminal emulation problems In-Reply-To: <33EA53B3.B6E30FD5@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: Procom Plus is a very powerfull communications package. Far too powerfull for what you need it seems. We use Nettterm and UWterm as our telnet software. Both have the ability to turn off certain functions to try and control "unauthorized" usages. If you are simply running a telnet package from windows and not from a web browser just place the icon in the startup group and turn off any unauthorized programs with the policy editor. You can not stop users from closing the window but you can limit access to other programs. If you are using a telnet package as a helper in a web browser then I know of no way to stop someone from telneting to any site they want. They simplly have to type "telnet://(system name) at the Open location screen. If someone knows how to stop this I would be interested in how you do it. Hope this helps. Bruce Hinman bruceh@csufresno.edu Library Equipment Technician (209) 278-6528 office Henry Madden Library (209) 278-6952 fax California State University Fresno, California On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Marty Williams wrote: > We are experiencing a number of problems at one of our branch libraries > - a joint use school/community facility. We are running Windows 95 over > a Novell network and using Procom Plus as the terminal emulation for > dynix connection. > > Some of the more inventive students are either using Procom for other > purposes (sending faxes etc.) or closing this down and accessing other > applications. > > Does anyone know of either a way of locking Procom onto the screen or of > an alternative emulation package that will avoid these problems?? > > Thanks in anticipation > > Marty Williams > > From bamf at u.washington.edu Thu Aug 7 11:02:28 1997 From: bamf at u.washington.edu (Beth M. Fraser) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Access for Patrons with Disabilities to the Web Message-ID: RESOURCES ON ACCESSIBLE WEB DESIGN and ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY FOR LIBRARIES A training packet of materials on issues related to accessibility for people with disabilities to library resources is now available through DO-IT at the University of Washington. The training packet includes materials on accessibility issues for libraries, adaptive technology and accessible Web design. Included are two videotape presentations on adaptive technology and accessible Web design, a presentation script that can easily be modified to your needs, overhead transparency templates, handout templates covering adaptive technology, accessible Web design and libraries accessibility issues. The training materials are available for $50. Some of the materials are also available via the Web at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~doit/UA/ These materials were developed with funding from the Telecommunications Funding Partnership as part of a cooperative project of DO-IT (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking & Technology) and the University Libraries at the University of Washington. To order materials, send e-mail to DO-IT at doit@u.washington.edu The DO-IT Web site includes other resources that may be of interest. Visit http://weber.u.washington.edu/~doit/ Beth Fraser Project Librarian DO-IT/University Libraries University of Washington bamf@u.washington.edu From greene at bulldog.unca.edu Thu Aug 7 07:35:26 1997 From: greene at bulldog.unca.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Coffee shops in libraries In-Reply-To: <33EA551A.964D8BF3@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: We have a cafe in our library building, accessible from the lobby and an outside entrance. The space where food is allowed extends from cafe seating to a small extended-hours reading room. There are a few vending machines in the space that are not part of the concession and that remain available when a gate is closed at the cafe service counter. There is limited food available: coffees and other beverages (juice, milk, snapple, tea, etc.), muffins, bagels, pastries, sandwiches, salads, chips, cereal bars. We will soon put an OPAC terminal and/or PC in the reading room space (does a single Internet connection an Internet Cafe make?) and possibly in the Cafe itself (less likely). The Cafe has been very profitable for the vendor (Marriott) due to its convenience and the pleasant personality of the full-time employee. There is also an outside patio with seating. To get an idea of where the cafe is on the building plans, see: http://www.unca.edu/library/entrance.html Click on the cafe to see a little description. These are among the oldest pages on our Web site, so a little retro looking. Araby Greene Ramsey Library, UNC-Asheville On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Marty Williams wrote: > > --------------C5AD36EF19EEFF394075528B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > While I'm on a roll and further to a request some time ago re internet > cafes in libraries, are there any public libraries who have set up a > coffee shop / snack bar / cafe, with or without internet terminals?? I > would like to know what sort of success or otherwise has been > encountered. > > Ta > > Marty Williams > Noarlunga Library ___________________________________________________________ Araby Greene (704)251-6632 Electronic Resources greene@bulldog.unca.edu & Government Information http://www.unca.edu/~greene Ramsey Library, UNC-Asheville http://www.unca.edu/library ___________________________________________________________ From jmnelson at mmm.com Thu Aug 7 11:41:19 1997 From: jmnelson at mmm.com (jmnelson@mmm.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: kiosks References: Message-ID: <33E9EC9E.3427@mmm.com> hlcspy@scils.rutgers.edu wrote: > > I have just been given a "special project" to decide what to do with a kiosk > that city hall no longer wants. It has been in our lobby for a few weeks and > we have had the typical problems with noise (it plays music) and the printer. > We're looking to move it out of the main library - possibly to a branch, a > corporate center or nonprofit's location. What to make available is the > question, internet, periodical databases, library card application, etc. > > Experiences shared would be appreciated. > Of course the administrarion here wants to know what other "large urban > public libraries" are doing, but since there aren't too many scholarly > articles about this, I'd appreciate all responses. Me again -- Just saw this -- you know anything about this? Judy From VCarrington at ala-choice.org Thu Aug 7 13:05:56 1997 From: VCarrington at ala-choice.org (VCarrington@ala-choice.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: More on DO-IT Message-ID: <9707078709.AA870980259@smtplink2.netsynergy.com> re: Beth Fraser's message on Accessibility in Web sites More information on DO-IT and related work can be found in an article co-authored by Beth Fraser (she must be too humble to mention this) in the Web Review Issue of CHOICE magazine, special supplement to v. 34. This was mailed to all current subscribers earlier this week - watch your mail. The article is "Universal Access: Designing and Evaluating Web Sites for Accessibility" by Sheryl Burgstahler, Dan Comden, and Beth Fraser. And, no, we didn't coordinate this! Honest! Vee Friesner Carrington CHOICE: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries (part of ACRL\ALA) 100 Riverview Center Middletown, CT 06457 Ph: 860-347-6933 x29 From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 7 12:02:17 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: EMRs and security systems, part two Message-ID: I have received a couple of URLs off list from folks who were letting me know that "EMRs are bad and there are scientific studies to prove it." If I didn't communicate clearly late yesterday, my apologies, so late me state it again. I KNOW that EMR (ElectroMagneticRadiation) can be bad for people. Obviously anyone with a microwave knows that. I knew that in the fifties when I was in a group of hams who were working on some microwave frequency transmitter and receiver projects (3-10 Ghz, or as we called it back then, 3000-10,000 Megacycles). We knew full well the potential dangers of injury or death. I'm also well aware of much of the current research literature and political action groups dealing with living under high voltage lines, etc. I did indicate that I don't mind walking under one, however, even if I'd not want to live there (first off, it would be ugly). However, the point I was TRYING to make was that I know of NO studies published that relate any EMR from library security systems to any injury or damage to humans or to test animals. If they exist, I'd love to see citations in any form. Also, when this has been discussed multiple times on the CIRCPLUS list, there have been no indications of problems from the hundreds of list members who daily work near library security systems. Until I learn otherwise, I'll continue to accept such systems as safe, regardless of manufacturer. This may be just like the old saw (which has disappeared in recent years, hopefully never to resurface) that walking through a library security system with your magnetic disks will trash the disks. Nope, won't happen. Of course if you leave the disk in the book when it is being "thumped" by a 3M or other system, that is a different story. o-( cheers dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Thu Aug 7 12:19:43 1997 From: donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Coffee shops in libraries In-Reply-To: <33EA551A.964D8BF3@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: Multnomah County has a Starbucks in its new Popular Reading Room. Starbucks contributes part of its profits to the Library. We allow food/drink consumption in the reading room only. Starbucks also opens an hour early so that staff can tank up. Let me know if you want details. On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Marty Williams wrote: > > --------------C5AD36EF19EEFF394075528B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > While I'm on a roll and further to a request some time ago re internet > cafes in libraries, are there any public libraries who have set up a > coffee shop / snack bar / cafe, with or without internet terminals?? I > would like to know what sort of success or otherwise has been > encountered. > > Ta > > Marty Williams > Noarlunga Library > > --------------C5AD36EF19EEFF394075528B > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > While I'm on a roll and further to a request some time ago re internet > cafes in libraries, are there any public libraries who have set up a coffee > shop / snack bar / cafe, with or without internet terminals?? I would like > to know what sort of success or otherwise has been encountered. > >

Ta > >

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 Noarlunga Library > > --------------C5AD36EF19EEFF394075528B-- > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed Multnomah County Library Community Information System TEL (503) 248-5238 Program Specialist FAX (503) 248-5226 E-mail: donnare@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/ From webguru at gtu.edu Thu Aug 7 12:18:11 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: sacred texts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We at the Graduate Theological Union Library have produced link pages for several religious traditions and subject areas. These pages often include links to text resources. You might want to browse through what we have done so far. The Judaism, Christian Spirituality and Church History pages are being worked on at this moment and will start being updated slowly over a period of time as we improve them. We do have several pages to non-Judeo-Christian pages with links to texts. At 10:58 PM -0700 8/6/97, Gordon Tyler wrote: >Please pardon the following off-topic message. I've done some >cross-posting because of low response so far. > >I would like to compile a personal WWW reference library of sacred texts >of major religions of the world in English translation. Ideally, the texts >would also be searchable. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk Thu Aug 7 12:14:53 1997 From: d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk (David R. Newman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:39:12 -0700 Elisabeth Roche wrote: > You want the webserver survey at Netcraft. New one out just today or > yesterday. > > Go to URL: > http://www.netcraft.com/survey/ That is a survey of the http servers organisations are using to deliver WWW pages. It tells you nothing about which browsers people are using to read the pages. ---------------------- Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Belfast, School of Managment, BELFAST BT7 1NN, UK Tel. +44-1232-335011 FAX +44-1232-249881 http://www.qub.ac.uk/mgt/ mailto:d.r.newman@qub.ac.uk From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Thu Aug 7 11:36:03 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: terminal emulation problems In-Reply-To: <33EA53B3.B6E30FD5@winnie.plain.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: You may want to look at Anzio Lite, at www.anzio.com . It is running in several large library systems, for public access, and it can be crippled in several ways to restrict usage. When combined with other security measures it works quite well. It works with Dynix, III, and most other host systems. End of commercial. On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Marty Williams wrote: > We are experiencing a number of problems at one of our branch libraries > - a joint use school/community facility. We are running Windows 95 over > a Novell network and using Procom Plus as the terminal emulation for > dynix connection. > > Some of the more inventive students are either using Procom for other > purposes (sending faxes etc.) or closing this down and accessing other > applications. > > Does anyone know of either a way of locking Procom onto the screen or of > an alternative emulation package that will avoid these problems?? > > Thanks in anticipation > > Marty Williams > Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. NOTE NEW LOCATIONS (as of January '97): personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com -or- 71021,1365@compuserve.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Thu Aug 7 07:51:33 1997 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (cbearden@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Limited acces (was : Use of Net Nanny in a Lan situation) In-Reply-To: <33E8A2DA.6D23A2E7@limburg.be> Message-ID: <199708071649.LAA29464@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:26:44 -0700 > Reply-to: lockefeer@limburg.be > > On a par with this question, does anybody know of a way to limit access > of certain pc's in a lan to the internet, let's say to urls beginning > with a certain string ? We would like to use low end PC's as web-based > OPACs to our catalogue, but our patrons are not supposed to use these > machines as public internet terminals. A couple of other options: 1. Set them up to make all http requests through a proxy server, and configure that proxy to grant requests only for certain URLs. 2. Put them all behind a packet-filtering gateway and use the packet-filtering rules to deny access to all but selected IP addresses. Solution 2 is probably more technical than 1. Either could be done inexpensively with Linux, but would require some knowledge of Linux and of TCP/IP networking. The proxy solution can also give some flexibility and can at times improve network performance by caching oft-requested pages. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Network Services Librarian Automation Department voice: 713/247-2264 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-1182 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From rhartman at rain.org Thu Aug 7 14:00:20 1997 From: rhartman at rain.org (Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? (:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=)(;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o Ruth Hartman Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: 651 E. Main St., :::: Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: (voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: ===================================================> *::::: Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: *Libraries serve humanity. :::: *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. *Protect free access to knowledge. *Honor the past & create the future. (American Libraries 9/95) (-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I-:){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) From donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Thu Aug 7 15:41:25 1997 From: donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: terminal emulation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We use Anzio lite on our 130ish public access PCs. It works well except that it allows users to execute multiple sessions of Dynix and staff are always having to run around and logout multiple (sometimes 8 deep) sessions. Donna Reed On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Robert Rasmussen wrote: > You may want to look at Anzio Lite, at www.anzio.com . It is running in > several large library systems, for public access, and it can be crippled in > several ways to restrict usage. When combined with other security measures it > works quite well. It works with Dynix, III, and most other host systems. > > End of commercial. > > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Marty Williams wrote: > > > We are experiencing a number of problems at one of our branch libraries > > - a joint use school/community facility. We are running Windows 95 over > > a Novell network and using Procom Plus as the terminal emulation for > > dynix connection. > > > > Some of the more inventive students are either using Procom for other > > purposes (sending faxes etc.) or closing this down and accessing other > > applications. > > > > Does anyone know of either a way of locking Procom onto the screen or of > > an alternative emulation package that will avoid these problems?? > > > > Thanks in anticipation > > > > Marty Williams > > > > Regards, > ...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. > > NOTE NEW LOCATIONS (as of January '97): > personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com > company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com > -or- 71021,1365@compuserve.com > ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 > http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed Multnomah County Library Community Information System TEL (503) 248-5238 Program Specialist FAX (503) 248-5226 E-mail: donnare@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/ From dlahue at faulkner.edu Thu Aug 7 16:39:00 1997 From: dlahue at faulkner.edu (Dena Lahue) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <3FDEE93301433900@smtp.faulkner.edu> FORWARDED MESSAGE from Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura L (RHARTMAN @ SMTP {rhartman@rain.org}) at 8/7/97 11:47a >An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how >people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference >person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need >only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything >"mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do >maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > >(:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=)(;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o >Ruth Hartman >Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: >Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: >651 E. Main St., :::: >Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: >(voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: >===================================================> *::::: >Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: > *Libraries serve humanity. :::: > *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. > *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. > *Protect free access to knowledge. > *Honor the past & create the future. >(American Libraries 9/95) >(-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I-:){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) ***** NOTES from Dena Lahue (DLAHUE @ FAULKNER) at 8/7/97 2:36p I believe being knowledgeable about electronic resources also includes having at least a basic knowledge of the hardware on which they run. I do lots of in-house 'maintenance' on our computers..things that I don't need to contact the computer dept. for. I reboot when something crashes, run the scandisk occasionally to clean up lost cluster files on the harddrive, upgrade our monthly/quarterly CD updates, and lots more. It just doesn't 'pay' to be technologically illiterate. Just my opinion.... Dena Lahue (334) 260-6209 ph. Public Services Librarian (334) 260-6299 fax Faulkner University dlahue@faulkner.edu Gus Nichols Library 5345 Atlanta Hwy. Montgomery, AL 36109-3398 From shaffer at uic.edu Thu Aug 7 17:58:47 1997 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Chris Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970807145847.00972af0@tigger.cc.uic.edu> At 11:45 AM 8/7/97 -0700, Ruth Hartman wrote: >An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how >people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference >person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need >only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything >"mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do >maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? I'd say that depends on the library and the situation. Ask yourself these questions: "If library staff can't fix technical problems, how long will it be until it gets repaired?" and "Will having this computer down that long seriously inconvenience library patrons?" If the answers are "a long time" and "yes" then library staff should probably be trained to fix the computers. Still, it's a judgement call. ----- "Letters are history. They are the savored and saved past, the instigators of memory. Telephone calls are the ephemeral present, and play a part only in the immediate future." --Doris Grumbach Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From whitt at spinner.cofc.edu Thu Aug 7 16:28:03 1997 From: whitt at spinner.cofc.edu (Alis Whitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have personally worked with an individual in possession of a library degree (mail order?) who thought the dot matrix printer was a laser printer. I'm all for being understanding and kind to my fellow humans who've been less fortunate yadayadayada but NOT when they are supposedly there in a professional capacity to serve the public. If I pump gas for a living and I don't know how to make the pump work or check your oil should I be pumping gas? Would you trust me if I said your oil was fine? If the professional librarian you're working with just spent 20 minutes fumbling to load the paper and couldn't find the "ready" button to resume the printing (never mind that you lost your search results 15 minutes ago) would you believe her when she emphatically stated that Humanities Index includes everything ever written on Howl? If so, then I've got some lovely green pasture land down here by the water I can sell you. Well, it does flood twice a day (round here we call it the "tide") but them cows can move up a little bit. Alis Whitt whitt@spinner.cofc.edu College of Charleston On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System wrote: > An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how > people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference > person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need > only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do > maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > > (:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=)(;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o > Ruth Hartman > Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: > Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: > 651 E. Main St., :::: > Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: > (voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: > ===================================================> *::::: > Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: > *Libraries serve humanity. :::: > *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. > *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. > *Protect free access to knowledge. > *Honor the past & create the future. > (American Libraries 9/95) > (-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I-:){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) > > From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Thu Aug 7 16:35:47 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: terminal emulation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Donna Reed wrote: > We use Anzio lite on our 130ish public access PCs. It works well except > that it allows users to execute multiple sessions of Dynix and staff are > always having to run around and logout multiple (sometimes 8 deep) > sessions. > > Donna Reed Donna: A capability was added in a later release of Anzio Lite to specify that only one session of it was allowed (on a given PC). In a library, this would logically be configured to keep the new session running, and kill the old one. I have discussed this with Brian at your library, along with some other issues. I'll be happy to explain offline how to do this. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. NOTE NEW LOCATIONS (as of January '97): personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com -or- 71021,1365@compuserve.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Thu Aug 7 11:41:22 1997 From: kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Kathy Wheeler) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199708072045.PAA26451@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:46:13 -0700 > Reply-to: rhartman@rain.org > From: Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Skills for reference staff > An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how > people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference > person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need > only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > "mechanical" is not their responsibility. This argument might carry a little bit of weight if those "mechanical" things didn't have a direct impact on a librarian's ability to use those very same computers to access information. > Should they be expected to do maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? I should think that they would want to do these things -- I cannot imagine waiting for a computer service person just to have my computer rebooted. Our computer department is also the entire campuses computer department and is not in this building. If we didn't do simple repair, maintenance, and installation, we'd never get anything done on our computers. I suspect that we are not the only library in this situation either. I don't know that it's necessary for EVERY librarian to know these skills, but I do think you need one or two librarians on your staff who can do this type of work. > > (:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=)(;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o > Ruth Hartman > Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: > Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: > 651 E. Main St., :::: > Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: > (voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: > ===================================================> *::::: > Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: > *Libraries serve humanity. :::: > *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. > *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. > *Protect free access to knowledge. > *Honor the past & create the future. > (American Libraries 9/95) > (-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I-:){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) > > > ________________________________________________ Kathy Wheeler kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu Electronic Services THAT'S JAGUAR ONE! Library (334) 460-7025 University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 From dbradley at umich.edu Thu Aug 7 16:38:44 1997 From: dbradley at umich.edu (Doreen R Bradley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: New HealthWeb URL Message-ID: HealthWeb We are pleased to announce that HealthWeb is expanding its subject pages and adding new partners! HealthWeb also has a new URL to provide easier access. Please change your bookmarks and update any links to the HealthWeb home page. Our new URL is http://healthweb.org New member libraries to the HealthWeb project are: Mayo Clinic, Medical College of Ohio, Medical College of Wisconsin, Southern Illinois University, University of Kentucky, University of Minnesota - Duluth, University of North Dakota, Wayne State University, and Wright State University. Healthweb is a collaborative project designed to provide organized access to health-related Internet resources. It is jointly sponsored by the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) and the Greater Midwest Region of the National Network of Libraries of Medicine. Inquiries about HealthWeb can be sent to healthweb@umich.edu Doreen R. Bradley dbradley@umich.edu Dentistry Library 313-763-2953 University of Michigan fax 313 764-4477 From jmk at synopsys.com Thu Aug 7 16:43:27 1997 From: jmk at synopsys.com (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <199708072043.NAA05967@marius.synopsys.com> I think it's pretty impractical to NOT learn how to do at least basic computer troubleshooting, for the reasons outlined below. I don't know about all of you, but my MLIS included information on the treatment and preservation of books, as they were the major tool for transmitting information. Now computers have to be included in that category, so everyone had better learn the same minimal information about them! We also have to be careful we're not masking fear of the unknown with exucuses such as a lack of time or inappropriate professional direction. -janet > From web4lib@library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 7 13:17:39 1997 > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:16:42 -0700 > Reply-To: shaffer@uic.edu > Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > From: Chris Shaffer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Skills for reference staff > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > Content-Length: 1147 > > At 11:45 AM 8/7/97 -0700, Ruth Hartman wrote: > >An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how > >people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference > >person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need > >only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > >"mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do > >maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > > I'd say that depends on the library and the situation. Ask yourself these > questions: > > "If library staff can't fix technical problems, how long will it be until > it gets repaired?" and "Will having this computer down that long seriously > inconvenience library patrons?" > > If the answers are "a long time" and "yes" then library staff should > probably be trained to fix the computers. Still, it's a judgement call. > > ----- > "Letters are history. They are the savored and saved past, the > instigators of memory. Telephone calls are the ephemeral present, > and play a part only in the immediate future." --Doris Grumbach > Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ > From schugd at cna.org Thu Aug 7 17:20:34 1997 From: schugd at cna.org (Diane Schug) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Verity V3.0 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970807172133.474f503a@vaxc.cna.org> Hello all, We just installed Verity V3.0 and noticed that the functionality has actually gotten worse. In Search'97 V2.1 it stated that "You can index your own web site or other web sites." In Search'97 V3.0 it states that "The default functionality of the Verity spider inlcudes file walking of any network-available file system, and web crawling of the host on which Information Server is installed. ... You can upgrade your Verity spider license to include domain-wide web crawling or unlimited, multi-domain web crawling." So my questions: 1) Has anyone else run across this? and 2) How have you dealt with it? Diane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Diane T. Schug Senior Information Specialist ph: 703-824-2113 The Center for Naval Analyses SchugD@cna.org 4401 Ford Ave fax: 703-824-2200 Alexandria, VA 22302 From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Aug 7 17:53:19 1997 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff In-Reply-To: <199708072045.PAA26451@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> Message-ID: There has been much discussion on this issue in the field of education. It is starting to look like teachers and students will be evaluated and certified at certain levels of technical ability. (Wow, what a thought for librarianship. Are librarians certifiable?? ha) Anyway, one place to get further info is the ECTL (Education Council for Technology in Learning) Homepage http://www.cde.ca.gov/ftpbranch/retdiv/ed_tech/ectl/. Here's an interesting quote from the Connect, Compute, Compete page (http://www.cde.ca.gov/ftpbranch/retdiv/ccc_task/ccc.htm) >"Recommendation 3: Integrate technology into the content and performance >standards that will be used as the basis for setting policies for >preparing, hiring, evaluating, and promoting teachers." > >"The ability of teachers to use technology to promote students' >acquisition of basic skills and subject-matter content is critical to >education's success. Accomplishing this objective requires front-end >preparation, as well as ongoing training opportunities and incentives." It's hard to say whether the lack of measurable standards has helped or hindered our profession; but we may soon see similar initiatives in our profession I'll bet. >> An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how >> people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference >> person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need >> only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything >> "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Linda Woods Hyman Pacific Bell Education First Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego State University San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From jmk at synopsys.com Thu Aug 7 18:01:35 1997 From: jmk at synopsys.com (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Verity V3.0 Message-ID: <199708072201.PAA06022@marius.synopsys.com> Anybody heard of and/or used a product called SwiftView, which uses PCL and HPGL to display any document format (via a plug-in to Netscape and IE) that can be printed to an HP printer? Caveats? Recommendations? They're positioning themselves against Acrobat. URL is http://www.ndg/com/prod1.htm . -Janet From kta at laredo.cc.tx.us Thu Aug 7 18:31:07 1997 From: kta at laredo.cc.tx.us (Kiem Ta) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: NT and Win 95 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970807173107.0068b930@laredo.cc.tx.us> Hello all, Our library is getting an NT server with Win 95 workstations. And security is our primary concern. This is what we plan to do: *We will utilize the user policy in NT for network security, but on these Win 95 workstations we will have Fortres 101 to prevent access to the START menu and other functions that NT's user policy does not cover. Is it a workable plan? Is it a reasonable security measure? any other better options? thanks in advance, |******************************************************| | Kiem Dung T. Ta / | Laredo Community College, Harold R. Yeary Library |******************************************************| | E-Mail: kta@laredo.cc.tx.us |******************************************************| | |******************************************************| From "Greg Lambert" at libsys2.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 7 17:43:26 1997 From: "Greg Lambert" at libsys2.berkeley.edu (Greg Lambert) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff References: Message-ID: <33EA417E.6613@libsys2.lib.ou.edu> I have found that reference librarians feel as though they do not need to have the "technical" aspects of a computer system. Unfortunately, this creates a situation where if they cannot handle the problems with the computer, it is not their responsibility to analyse the problem, and come up with a solution. It is better to blame the system or the computer systems personnel for the problem. I am still amazed that I have to tell the same reference librarian how to setup the general preferences in Netscape to get a telnet session to work. The information is going more and more electronic, and if your going to try to keep up, you need to know how to handle the tools. From cowgal at ptd.net Thu Aug 7 18:49:05 1997 From: cowgal at ptd.net (Susan Gilkeson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff References: Message-ID: <33EA50E1.5659@ptd.net> Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System wrote: > > An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how > people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference > person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need > only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do > maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > > > Ruth Hartman As someone else said, I can't imagine NOT doing basic trouble shooting. In my previous job at a university branch library "they" slowly insinuated a computer lab into my library yet there were no on-site computer people. It came down to either calling them and waiting and telling students "no, I just can't fix that little problem" and feeling like I was failing them in service OR learning to do it myself. Needless to say, my clerk and I got VERY good at fixing the little problems that arise. Only total meltdown was really worth a phone call and making the computer unavailable for use. Annoying as it could be to have to deal with the small problems I just couldn't possibly NOT help in the best way I could to get computers working for the patron. That was, and is, after all, my primary goal. Connect the patron to the information. :) Of course, don't ask me to repeat that in a couple weeks. I've just been made manager of a business school library/LRC where there has NEVER been such a thing so I'm starting from scratch. Which is, of course, why I've been reading this list for about a month now. :) Susan Gilkeson cowgal@ptd.net (no, that's not my work email.. they don't have that yet.. this is gonna get frightening..) From erwin.patricia at mayo.edu Thu Aug 7 21:08:51 1997 From: erwin.patricia at mayo.edu (Pat Erwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:07 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff In-Reply-To: <33EA50E1.5659@ptd.net> Message-ID: I admit to a certain bias here; if you're going to drive a car -- you really should know how to fix a flat. I learned the hard way, on my own, out of necessity. As others have pointed out, IS (or whatever) have other priorities. In a clinical setting that is appropriate, even if damned inconvenient. I can't wait two hours much less two days for someone to come and reboot a machine, or fix a stuck printer. And I expect the associates who spend at least as much time next to the public workstations to know when to reboot, when to tactfully save and move a patron to another machine, and when to call in the cavalry. And they do. My requirements are simple. 1) Reference staff should be able to instruct, by phone if necessary, a patron how to download. We have cheat sheets readily available for most platforms in use. Same thing for printing problems. 2) The standard questions to ask to figure out if we have a workstation problem -- it won't print!; a network problem, or a MAJOR problem. 3) Where or whom to call. I do not expect anyone to be able to load programs -- they're not supposed to be loaded there anyhow. But loading paper, changing a print cartridge if necessary (or at least knowing where the backups are), clearing out 7 copies of Netscape which just happened to be open should be within the skills of a networked librarian. But it also means that someone should take the time to teach them also. Not just point them at it and say DO IT. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Patricia J. Erwin E-mail: erwin.patricia@mayo.edu Mayo Medical Library Phone: 507-284-4952 Rochester MN 55905 FAX: 507-284-2215 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Aug 8 08:33:05 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff References: Message-ID: <33EB1200.703F29A@am.appstate.edu> Of course there are conditions that would hold true for one library and not another. If the library is small and centrally located in one building then there is a better ratio of support. In the case here, ASU, should the computer support people have to walk halfway across campus to the Music Library just push a reset button on a computer? Thank goodness that is not the case here. Most of our librarians do reboot computers, try to fix paper jams on dot printers (and quite often do very well at that), and a few (more familiar with using a computer) remember to use ALT-F4 to exit windows if the mouse is disabled rather than rebooting. Most of our computers are centrally located in the reference area near a 20 PC computer lab on the floor above the computer support office. Though, if someone calls for a minor problem we do attend to it cheerfully. If there were more people in computer support then I would agree that the librarians should not have to do any minor resolutions to PC problems. The case is quite often that we have sufficient work to do without the minor support and not enough in the budget to hire more people qualified help. Thomas Bennett Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System wrote: > An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to > how > people on this list would respond. How much technology should a > reference > person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they > need > only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to > do > maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > > (:-)(;-)(:->(:+)(:-#(%-)(:-I(;-}(:-*($-)(:=) > ;<)(8-)(X->(:-Q([->(S-)(;-o > Ruth Hartman > Manager, Adult & Childrens Services Division ::::: > Ventura County Library Services Agency ::::: > 651 E. Main St., :::: > Ventura, CA 93001 (FAX) 805-652-7586 ::::: > (voice) 805-652-7529 (e-mail) rhartman@rain.org \ :::::: > ===================================================> *::::: > Michael Gorman's New Laws of Librarianship: / :::::: > *Libraries serve humanity. :::: > *Respect all forms by which knowledge is communicated. > *Use technology intelligently to enhance service. > *Protect free access to knowledge. > *Honor the past & create the future. > (American Libraries 9/95) > (-:)(-;)<-:)(+:)#-:)(-%)I > :){-;)*-:)(-$)(=:)(>;)(-8)<-X)Q-:)<-])(-S)o-;) -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* http:// 704 262 2795 */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU Fri Aug 8 08:37:58 1997 From: hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (Steve Hooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970808083857.333fd7b8@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> On the occasion of a senior librarian's retirement recently, our head librarian mused that the mechanized information revolution had come upon this man in mid-career, leaving him time to adjust and become adept with the new technology when many librarians senior to him were resigning early in bewilderment. Henderson Library saw this coming a while back and organized an internal computer systems group, with a local area network and technicians to help keep both the public and faculty/staff machines going. When I joined this Systems Group two years ago I found that about two-thirds of the users are eager and happy to learn, while the other third will be mystified forever. But the non-techs, who are also some of our best librarians, have us to call in emergencies (or non-emergencies) and so they are much less stressed by the whole digital thing. We have classes or seminars from time to time about things like disk maintenance or viruses which helps lower the sress level also. But as a tech working in a library, I'd say that librarianship is more important. Of course. Naturally. >I think it's pretty impractical to NOT learn how to do at least >basic computer troubleshooting, for the reasons outlined below. I >don't know about all of you, but my MLIS included information on >the treatment and preservation of books, as they were the major >tool for transmitting information. Now computers have to be included >in that category, so everyone had better learn the same minimal >information about them! > >We also have to be careful we're not masking fear of the unknown with >exucuses such as a lack of time or inappropriate professional >direction. > >-janet > >> >> At 11:45 AM 8/7/97 -0700, Ruth Hartman wrote: >> >An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as to how >> >people on this list would respond. How much technology should a reference >> >person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that they need >> >only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything >> >"mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected to do >> >maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? >> >> I'd say that depends on the library and the situation. Ask yourself these >> questions: >> >> "If library staff can't fix technical problems, how long will it be until >> it gets repaired?" and "Will having this computer down that long seriously >> inconvenience library patrons?" >> >> If the answers are "a long time" and "yes" then library staff should >> probably be trained to fix the computers. Still, it's a judgement call. >> >> ----- >> "Letters are history. They are the savored and saved past, the >> instigators of memory. Telephone calls are the ephemeral present, >> and play a part only in the immediate future." --Doris Grumbach >> Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ >> > > +=============================++============================+ Stephen S. Hooley "When the going gets Romulan Tech Support weird, the weird Systems Group turn pro." Henderson Library -- Hunter S. Thompson Ga Southern Univ Statesboro, GA 30460 www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/hooleyss +===========================================================+ From rjtiess at juno.com Fri Aug 8 08:53:58 1997 From: rjtiess at juno.com (Robert J Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for Reference Staff Message-ID: <19970808.085518.7383.1.rjtiess@juno.com> I agree all librarians should have a minimal amount of computer literacy, should know the difference between a floppy drive and a hard drive, uploading and downloading, and a minor continuance of that. However, it's impractical to expect librarians to be so thoroughly versed in all matters digital so they would be able to address and solve any given technical problem that arises. Paper jams are one thing, but upgrading operating systems, configuring servers are not the types of activities I believe librarians should be expected to master and accept as part of their duties. Librarians are busy enough addressing the daily flow of queries. And then there are the 'older librarians' who have had little time to prepare for the mass digitization of library resources and services, such as the Internet. They can be trained, but training takes time and money. As to present and future ALA-accredited degrees, my own humble take on the matter is that, yes, librarians should know of and about various computer systems, online services, be fully experienced with the Internet and related IT. As job descriptions expand and salaries edge upward ever so slightly, how much can we honestly expect a given public librarian to do before she or he is doing, in effect, a job and a half, or what amounts to two jobs? Computer maintenance in general public libraries is on the rise, as more materials go the digital/cyber route. As you know, computer technology expands so rapidly, no librarian will, without neglecting primary duties and not without attending extensive workshops and training sessions, even see or comprehend technology's edge. This is the scenario taken to the extreme, perhaps; yet, with computers, IT, Internet, every week yields unforeseen problems, questions, abilities, sources of information, and so forth. Once we place librarians in the position of having to learn and perform these purely-technical duties, we are doing so with no end in sight--an act unfair to what I believe would be a disproportionately-for-the-duties underpaid librarian, as well as an act unfair to the public, which will increasingly expect librarians to be able to solve technical problems and do so swiftly. Those are unnatural expectations. As a Computer Maintenance Specialist, Webmaster, trainer, researcher and consultant for my library (www.thrall.org), I spend every day dealing with a combination of over 30 computers and terminals, not to mention printers, copiers, fax machines, and anything else remotely technical. I am the designer and maintainer of our web site. I research vendors, create purchase orders, order supplies, track shipments, do inventories, physically maintain all equipment, (stocking, testing, cleaning, etc.), instruct the public, assist in technological policies, assess new technology (software/ hardware), stay current with computer technology (reading online and printed periodical materials), conduct surveys, interview personnel, present upgrade options, investigate technological grant opportunities, do desktop publishing, assist reference personnel in online searches, create handouts for the public, guide new users through the Internet, as well as endless other equally important and engaging duties. The point here is that I think we need to maintain a distinctness between librarians and technical assistance personnel. The latter positions were created so librarians could do what they do best: help people find information. I believe we're all advocates here for technical literacy, but, due to the changing nature of libraries, I do sense a hasty reorientation underway, and I believe maintaining a distinct set of duties for librarians and technical assistance personnel is a key to increase productivity for everyone-- the librarians, the computers, the networks, and lastly and most importantly, the general public of library patrons. It's a difficult balance to be found, indeed, but it's not an impossible one. Robert J. Tiess Middletown Thrall Library rjtiess@juno.com From rcrouse at brookes.ac.uk Fri Aug 8 09:51:22 1997 From: rcrouse at brookes.ac.uk (Rowena Rouse) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: suspend over my holidays Message-ID: <199708081351.OAA11194@brookes.ac.uk> suspend mail all stop From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 8 10:43:47 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: access to text-based OPAC from home page Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970808094347.007a7210@vms.csd.mu.edu> >From our library web pages we have links to our catalog, which currently is text-based. We won't have a Webpac for another year. A complaint we received in the past is that when folks would try to make the link, they would get an error message if they didn't have a telnet app set up for their browser. They would write to us and say they couldn't access our catalog and we'd explain about telnet, etc. etc. So, on our new home page we put the words 'via telnet' after the name of our opac, with "telnet" a hotlink to a page of info about accessing text-based opacs and where to find telnet apps for free on the Web. Some people don't like this because they figure people won't bother clicking that link and want all hotlinks to our opac to go to this explanatory page. However, others want to be taken right into our opac from PCs within the library since telnet apps are set up on all PCs in the library and they don't want to bother with the intermediary step. So...to try and make this long story short...I have thought about making a script that would direct people within the libraries to go directly into the catalog, while those outside the libraries would get the explanatory page. Thus, addressing (hopefully) both sets of concerns. I am curious if anyone has done anything like this for their library home page? Thanks, Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From bruceh at csufresno.edu Fri Aug 8 11:07:40 1997 From: bruceh at csufresno.edu (Bruce Hinman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: NT and Win 95 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970807173107.0068b930@laredo.cc.tx.us> Message-ID: Check out Bill Moseleys page on the subject. I have gotten a great deal of help from it. The URL is http://infopeople.berkeley.edu:8000/Security/ Good Luck Bruce Hinman bruceh@csufresno.edu Library Equipment Technician (209) 278-6528 office Henry Madden Library (209) 278-6952 fax California State University Fresno, California On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Kiem Ta wrote: > > Hello all, > > Our library is getting an NT server with Win 95 workstations. > And security is our primary concern. This is what we plan to do: > > *We will utilize the user policy in NT for network security, but > on these Win 95 workstations we will have Fortres 101 to prevent access > to the START menu and other functions that NT's user policy does not > cover. Is it a workable plan? > Is it a reasonable security measure? any other better options? > > thanks in advance, > |******************************************************| > | Kiem Dung T. Ta / > | Laredo Community College, Harold R. Yeary Library > |******************************************************| > | E-Mail: kta@laredo.cc.tx.us > |******************************************************| > | > |******************************************************| > From mmhung at hknet.com Fri Aug 8 12:03:36 1997 From: mmhung at hknet.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hung_Ming_Michael__=28=BA=B5=BB=CA=29=22?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: [HIT] CD-ROM evaluation Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970809000336.006b848c@hknet.com> Here are some interesting information you have given me: (Thanks for ALL those contributed) The next issue of PC Magazine will have their annual review of CD-ROMs... basically they list the top 100, broken down into several categories... you might want to check their web site for the information towards the end of next week . Brig C. McCoy - Automation Consultant Southeast Kansas Library System - BRIGC@WORLD.STD.COM 218 East Madison Street - 316 365-5136 Iola, KS 66749 - 316 365-5137, Fax ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- This has been helpful in the past: Jacso, Peter. Testing the quality of CD-ROM databases. In: Basch, Reva, ed. Electronic Information Delivery: Ensuring Quality and Value. Brookfield, VT, USA: Gower, 1995, pp 141-168 Hope this helps! Scott Kiefer Library Technician University of Alaska Fairbanks scottk@muskox.alaska.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- In a previous life, I put together a Web page called "Selecting CD-ROMs: A Brief Bibliography." Take a look at http://www.bcr.org/cd-bibli.html. Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess Around (ALA Editions -- 9/97) http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/eudora/34/skennedy.html sdk@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- See if the following is of any use: K. Medawar, 'Database quality: a literature review of the past and a plan for the future' in PROGRAM Vol.29 (3) (1995) pps.257-272. C. Johnston, 'CD-ROM database quality' in PROGRAM Vol.28 (4) (1994) pps.379-394. S.H. Chisti, 'CD-ROM vs. Online: a comparison of PsycLIT (CD-ROM) and PsycINFO (Dialog)' in REFERENCE LIBRARIAN Vol.40 (1993) pps.131-155. J.A. Large, 'Evaluating Online and CD-ROM reference sources' JOURNAL OF LIBRARIANSHIP Vol.21 (2) (1989) pps.87-108. All have a fair list of references. There is the CENTRE FOR INFORMATION QUALITY MANAGEMENT in Wales. It is funded by the British Library and is concerned with investigating database quality problems and their effects on users. It is run by Chris. J. Armstrong who also publishes articles from time to time. Hope this is of some use to you. Regards Colin Johnston -------------------------------- Look at our database of Desireable and Exemplary Technology resources at http://clearinghouse.k12.ca.us to see what educators in California have done as a statewide project for evaluating all technology resources. If you will look in the area called INFO and look under Publications and Projects you will find a document called Guidelines for the Evaluation of Instructional Technology Resouces... That doucment gives the criteria used when evaluating the titles. The document is also available for sale and a nicely bound version. (the order form is also one of the documents listed.) Ruth ------------------------------------------------------- You may find the following website useful. As well as containing reviews of over 500 educational CD-ROMs, there is a link to a page of information on "Evaluating CD-ROM Titles" http://www.ncet.org.uk/cd-rom.html > [Image] CD-ROM reviews > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Over 500 educational CD-ROMs have been evaluated for these > government-funded initiatives, using a set of pre-defined criteria by > teams of teachers and school librarians nominated by Local Education > Authorities, Professional Bodies and Subject Associations. When > reading the reviews, please remember that they were reviewed at a > particular time for specific purposes, eg for primary schools in 1995. > > [Image] Primary CD ROM Titles Review 1995 > CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 1 and 2 > [Image] Multimedia Portables for Teachers > CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 2, 3 and 4, and teachers > [Image] Welsh Office Multimedia Portables Initiative > CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 1 and 2 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > NCET Home Page Alison McNab |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Alison McNab (Academic Services Manager) | | Pilkington Library, Loughborough University, Loughborough, UK LE11 3TU | | Internet: A.S.McNab@Lboro.ac.uk Tel: 01509 222356 Fax: 01509 223993 | | Home page: http://www-staff.lboro.ac.uk/~lbasm/ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| -------------------------------------------- Here is a site where all CDs and software that were evaluated are listed. 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Powered by FileMaker -------------------------------- *************************************************************************** michael hung SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 NIV Homepage = http://www.hknet.com/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@hknet.com [or] mmhung@schoool.net.hk ida email: idayhchan@valise.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From narnett at verity.com Fri Aug 8 12:58:24 1997 From: narnett at verity.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Verity V3.0 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970808165824.0101d00c@corpmail.verity.com> At 02:59 PM 8/7/97 -0700, Diane Schug wrote: >Hello all, > >We just installed Verity V3.0 and noticed that the functionality >has actually gotten worse. That's not quite what we had in mind. We are lowering the price of the server and limiting it to the local machine only. To index other Web servers (the remote spidering option) now costs extra. The idea was just to provide a lower entry price point. If you are upgrading an earlier version, I think you should have received a less limited spider license. Nick > >In Search'97 V2.1 it stated that "You can index your own web site >or other web sites." > >In Search'97 V3.0 it states that "The default functionality of the >Verity spider inlcudes file walking of any network-available file >system, and web crawling of the host on which Information Server >is installed. ... You can upgrade your Verity spider license to >include domain-wide web crawling or unlimited, multi-domain >web crawling." > >So my questions: > 1) Has anyone else run across this? >and > 2) How have you dealt with it? > >Diane >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Diane T. Schug Senior Information Specialist >ph: 703-824-2113 The Center for Naval Analyses >SchugD@cna.org 4401 Ford Ave >fax: 703-824-2200 Alexandria, VA 22302 > > > > Product Manager, Categorization and Visualization Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com http://www.verity.com From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 8 13:07:21 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Ice-Cube(sm): Visual Representation and Navigation of LCSH Facets Message-ID: <9708081708.AA12536@library.berkeley.edu> _Ice-Cube(sm):_ Visual Representation and Navigation of LCSH Facets In a recent posting [I believe it was this week], I inquired about any effort that has sought to perform a Facet Analysis on the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH). Those who have responded to this query indicated that they were not aware of any current effort. With the expectation that this will be done some way, some day, it has occurred to me that there will be a need to represent and navigate the Facets once they are identified. For this awesome task, I propose the creation of a Information Space Cube [Let's call it Ice-Cube(sm) [:->] From a Facet Analysis, one could expect that every LC subject heading could be assigned to every and all facets to a matter of degree. A particular subject will certainly be a member of more than one facet category [Of of course, a particular facet would also be a member of more than one higher facet]. For the sake of argument let's assume that ten major facets were established for each LC subject heading [Below the Meta-Facet level, there of course would be SubFacet levels in which a specific subject heading would hold membership; again let's say that at the first SubFacet level there are ten sub-facet categories [What can I say, I'm feeling digital today [hey that rhymes [:->]] At the Meta-Facet level, a specific subject would have the possibility of having a value assigned to each facet for that level [Let's say, we discover through Algorithmic Magic, that these values can range from One (1) through 10 (ten) [Boy, Am I Digital] and that each assigned value represents the relative semantic weight that the particular subject has for a given facet at a given Facet [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] Thus, for example, a specific subject heading, would be represented by a statement that consisted of a set of relative weights [Zero to 9] for ten facets [in facet order of course [:->]] [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] The Ice-Cube(sm) would be a construct consisting of each of the ten facets on each the X axis, Y axis and the Z axis. A given subject heading would be located within Ice-Cube(sm) at the coordinates of the relative weight of the subject for each Facet at a given facet level [Weights could vary from Absolute Zero to 9.9999 etc. [We'd need to set a threshold - up to 10 decimal places [Oops, there I go again Being Digital [With apologies to Negroponte] [Hey, Decimals are Digital![:->] Other LC Subject Headings with a similar facet statement would have a similar location within the Ice-Cube(sm). Hopefully, [if we make the appropriate sacrifices to the Automated System Gods and Goddesses and the Comp Sci Gurus] subject headings with the same facet profile [and hopefully 'meaning' [whatever that may be in the Faceted Universe] would be clustered together for subsequent navigation. [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] Of course, we need to have different Ice-Cube levels to allow users to browse from the MetaFacet level to SubFacet levels [We'd need a sub-cube for each of the Meta-Facet categories indicating the relatively associations of sub-facets at the sub-facet level] [The Meta-Facet level would of course be called the Ice-Cream(sm) [Cream raises to the top - get it] [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] Ice-Cube(sm) would then be the interface for the display of the LCSH as an interface to an LCSH OPAC. Users would browse subjects by interacting with them within the Ice-Cube(sm). The interaction within a Faceted OPAC (a FacPac ? [:->] will be the topic of another posting in the near future [Can you wait?] [I was going to call this metaphor Ice-Cubed - Ice to the Third Power, but I don't have a superscript on this SGI Indy {:-(] Certainly, other metaphors can be considered for mapping and displaying the faceted essence of a subject heading, including those in my clearinghouse devoted to Information Visualization, _The Big Picture_ available at URL http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/BigPic.htm I can see myself moving from my Cubist phase to some Out-of-the Box [:->] thinking to consider a spheroid metaphor; in that case I'd call it ... _The Whole Ball of Wax_ - it's certainly more global or at least globular {:->] [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] All of the above sounds very mathematical. Can anyone tell me what branch of math I working in here. [I'd like to post to the appropriate Math groups two/too]. But seriously folks, I'd very much appreciate any and all information about efforts to display and/or visualize facet associations, LCSH or otherwise. [Afterthought: How about the facet analysis of other thesauri]

Thanks

Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "What's It All About, Alfie?" [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] From Cwrenn at beta.centenary.edu Fri Aug 8 13:31:16 1997 From: Cwrenn at beta.centenary.edu (Christy Wrenn) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff References: <33EA50E1.5659@ptd.net> Message-ID: <33EB57E4.3A627A1@beta.centenary.edu> > Ruth Hartman - Adult Services - Ventura Library System wrote: > > An interesting issue has surfaced on Cristal-ed, and I'm curious as > to how > > people on this list would respond. How much technology should a > reference > > person be expected to learn? The argument of some staff is that > they need > > only be able to use the computer to access material, but anything > > "mechanical" is not their responsibility. Should they be expected > to do > > maintenance, rebooting, simple repair, etc.? > > Ruth Hartman > > As someone else said, I can't imagine NOT doing basic trouble > shooting. > In my previous job at a university branch library "they" slowly > insinuated a computer lab into my library yet there were no on-site > computer people. It came down to either calling them and waiting and > telling students "no, I just can't fix that little problem" and > feeling > like I was failing them in service OR learning to do it myself. > Needless > to say, my clerk and I got VERY good at fixing the little problems > that > arise. Only total meltdown was really worth a phone call and making > the > computer unavailable for use. Annoying as it could be to have to deal > with the small problems I just couldn't possibly NOT help in the best > way I could to get computers working for the patron. That was, and is, > > after all, my primary goal. Connect the patron to the information. :) > > Of course, don't ask me to repeat that in a couple weeks. I've just > been > made manager of a business school library/LRC where there has NEVER > been > such a thing so I'm starting from scratch. Which is, of course, why > I've > been reading this list for about a month now. :) > > Susan Gilkeson > cowgal@ptd.net > (no, that's not my work email.. they don't have that yet.. this is > gonna > get frightening..) Webrlibrary members, In response to the two above comments, I have two questions to ponder. 1. What if you come from a large library that requires you only to do Reference Searching? You have a systems person on duty to rely on. 2. What if you have a Reference Librarian who "just is not mechanically inclined"? I should clarify this question by saying this person gets upset when a >C prompt appears on the screen. Please feel free to reply to the list. -- Christy Wrenn, Coordinator, Public and Tech. Services Centenray College of Louisiana -\- Magale Library cwrenn@beta.centenary.edu From Christopher_Platt at nypl.org Fri Aug 8 14:05:10 1997 From: Christopher_Platt at nypl.org (Christopher Platt) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <0005AE3D.004076@nypl.org> In response to the two above comments, I have two questions to ponder. 1. What if you come from a large library that requires you only to do Reference Searching? You have a systems person on duty to rely on. Think logistics--is the systems person always readily available or are staff going to be in the situation of plopping an OUT OF ORDER sign on the computer and waiting a few hours for someone to show up and fix it? Is the systems person supporting other computers outside the Reference area? If so, do the Reference computers always take priority in maintenance calls? I think Ref staff should be trained in, feel comfortable doing, and be invited to do basic troubleshooting. What I have consistently heard from Reference staff in the libraries I've worked in is that machines and software are often made available for use *without* adequate basic troubleshooting training. 2. What if you have a Reference Librarian who "just is not mechanically inclined"? I should clarify this question by saying this person gets upset when a >C prompt appears on the screen. I think this could be a whole new area of psychological research. With experience as both a reference librarian and a systems support librarian, I've found that there will always be staff who refuse to believe they can troubleshoot a machine. Now matter how much you try to "demystify" the machine for them, they just can't (or won't) progress beyond a certain point. Since most systems people are not in the position of being able to say "you must learn how to do this *or else*...", we just have to accept them and deal with their situations as best we can. In fact, I'm beginning to believe there *are* people who are just not mechanically inclined, although how any of them got through library school is beyond me since there's very little basic troubleshooting that's more mechanically involved than replacing a card catalog drawer in its slot or plugging in a coffee machine. Christopher Platt NYPL cplatt@nypl.org From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri Aug 8 14:17:08 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: [FYI] Announcing the Canadian Initiative on Digital Libraries Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970808141708.005f6278@nlc-bnc.ca> This message is being cross-posted to a number of discussion lists. Please excuse any duplication. (Une version francaise suit la version anglaise.) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Announcing the Canadian Initiative on Digital Libraries A new alliance of Canadian libraries interested in improving communication and coordination in the development of Canadian digital library resources has been formed. The Canadian Initiative on Digital Libraries (CIDL) will provide a forum for: *sharing information and experience related to digital libraries, *discussing best practices in areas such as digitization, metadata, encoding, rights management, etc., *defining roles and responsibilities for long-term archiving of Canadian digital resources, *raising awareness of Canadian digital library activities both in Canada and internationally, *and discussing many other issues including training, funding, interoperability, public access, etc. CIDL will be directed by a steering committee elected in the Fall 1997 from member libraries, and there will be subgroups on specific issues. CIDL is open to all Canadian libraries. For more information on CIDL--its mandate, objectives, proposed activities, how to become a member, etc.--and to find some other useful information on digital library development, please see our site at http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/cidl/ Gwynneth Evans Director-General, National and International Programs National Library of Canada gwynneth.evans@nlc-bnc.ca **************************************************************** Ce message etant affiche dans plusieurs serveurs de liste, il se peut qu il y ait chevauchement. Priere de nous en excuser. Annonce de l Initiative canadienne sur les bibliotheques numeriques Une nouvelle alliance de bibliotheques canadiennes interessees a ameliorer la communication et la coordination du developpement des ressources de bibliotheques numeriques s est formee. L Initiative canadienne sur les bibliotheques numeriques (ICBN) servira de forum pour : * mettre en commun l information et l experience de tous en ce qui concerne les bibliotheques numeriques; * discuter de bonnes pratiques dans les domaines tels la numerisation, les metadonnees, le codage, la gestion des droits, etc.; * definir les roles et les responsabilites relatifs a l archivage a long terme des ressources numeriques canadiennes; * faire connaitre les activites de bibliotheque numerique canadiennes au Canada et sur le plan international; * discuter de nombreuses autres questions comprenant la formation, le financement, l interoperabilite, l acces public, etc. L ICBN sera dirigee par un comite directeur elu a l automne 1997 parmi les representants des bibliotheques adherentes, et des groupes satellites seront formes pour regler des questions particulieres. Toutes les bibliotheques canadiennes sont invitees a participer. Pour plus de renseignements sur l ICBN--son mandat, ses objectifs, ses activites proposees, comment devenir membre, etc.--et trouver d autres renseignements utiles sur l evolution des bibliotheques numeriques, nous vous invitons a consulter notre site http://www.nlc-bcn.ca/cidl/. Gwynneth Evans Directrice generale, Programmes nationaux et internationaux Bibliotheque nationale du Canada gwynneth.evans@nlc-bnc.ca From hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU Fri Aug 8 16:13:02 1997 From: hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (Steve Hooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970808161401.0b9f34e6@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> I guess what I mean is that it's easier to have some techs assisting the librarians than to find tech-minded librarians (although we have several super-user librarians who give us techies tips from time to time). My wife teaches English, which in the Composition areas requires word processing. She is not, however. as she is quick to point out, a word processing teacher, nor is she interested in becoming one. Anyone going to her for computer advice will be as confused, and rightly so, as if they had asked a car mechanic for info about dangling participles. In The Future we'll all have computers, and no one will ever need advice (and they used to say we'd all fly copters to work by 1997). But our proud non-technical folks, who need us to turn the overhead projector the right way, are too busy being librarians to study file transfer protocol. Seems to work pretty well, especially for the customers. > > In response to the two above comments, I have two questions to >ponder. >1. What if you come from a large library that requires you only to do >Reference Searching? > You have a systems person on duty to rely on. > > Think logistics--is the systems person always readily available or are > staff going to be in the situation of plopping an OUT OF ORDER sign on the > computer and waiting a few hours for someone to show up and fix it? Is > the systems person supporting other computers outside the Reference area? > If so, do the Reference computers always take priority in maintenance > calls? > > I think Ref staff should be trained in, feel comfortable doing, and be > invited to do basic troubleshooting. What I have consistently heard from > Reference staff in the libraries I've worked in is that machines and > software are often made available for use *without* adequate basic > troubleshooting training. > > >2. What if you have a Reference Librarian who "just is not >mechanically inclined"? > I should clarify this question by saying this person gets upset >when a >C prompt appears on the > screen. > > I think this could be a whole new area of psychological research. > With experience as both a reference librarian and a systems support > librarian, I've found that there will always be staff who refuse to > believe they can troubleshoot a machine. Now matter how much you try > to "demystify" the machine for them, they just can't (or won't) > progress beyond a certain point. Since most systems people are not in > the position of being able to say "you must learn how to do this *or > else*...", we just have to accept them and deal with their situations > as best we can. In fact, I'm beginning to believe there *are* people > who are just not mechanically inclined, although how any of them got > through library school is beyond me since there's very little basic > troubleshooting that's more mechanically involved than replacing a > card catalog drawer in its slot or plugging in a coffee machine. > > Christopher Platt > NYPL > cplatt@nypl.org > *+============================* | Stephen S. Hooley | Statesboro Ga | Romulan Tech Assistant | Home of the | Henderson Library | Statesboro |"It's Only a Job Description"| Blues | Georgia Southern University |www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/hooleyss +=============================+ More than any time in history, mankind now faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly. -- Woody Allen From cowgal at ptd.net Fri Aug 8 19:02:48 1997 From: cowgal at ptd.net (Susan Gilkeson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:09 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff References: <0005AE3D.004076@nypl.org> Message-ID: <33EBA598.6A38@ptd.net> Christopher Platt wrote: [snip] In fact, I'm beginning to believe there *are* people > who are just not mechanically inclined, although how any of them got > through library school is beyond me since there's very little basic > troubleshooting that's more mechanically involved than replacing a > card catalog drawer in its slot or plugging in a coffee machine. > > Christopher Platt > NYPL > cplatt@nypl.org But, although I understand there ARE people like this, to ME a non-working computer which is used for reference is the same as a patron confronting a new paper index. Not being able to use it keeps them from the information inside. Having computers in the reference area which aren't working is, to me, the same thing. This is simply a new way to provide access to information and knowledge and we must be able to at least provide minimal support in the name of reference and service in order for our patrons (or customers) to get where they need to know. Okay, yes, I got my copy of "American Libraries" today and I'm on a roll.. pretty good articles about change and what to call the people who come into our libraries. :) Susan Gilkeson cowgal@ptd.net From gen at dla.ucop.edu Sun Aug 10 02:56:42 1997 From: gen at dla.ucop.edu (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: Representations of documents with Icons or glyphs In-Reply-To: <199707312344.TAA18906@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Message-ID: Look into the information browsing literature in human-computer interaction. There are some abstracts of recent BayCHI talks on related topics at http://www.baychi.org and I'm sure there's much more in CHI proceedings and the SIGCHI Bulletin. Try looking for Focus+Context for some relevant work. HFES may also have some related stuff. Genny Engel MELVYL System User Services and BayCHI News editor gen@dla.ucop.edu On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Alain Vaillancourt wrote: > > Hello! > > In the field of Scientific data visualisation multivariate numerical > data is sometimes expressed with an icon or a glyph. > > Sometimes this glyph is mapped onto a 2D or 3D representation of the > experiment, as in the work of Wittenbrink, Pang and Lohda. > > Sometimes the icons or glyphs are presented without any background, > in large arrays permitting users to spot similarities between them, > as is usually the case with Chernoff faces or their descendants, Flury- > Riedwyl faces. > > I am interested in doing research on ways non-numerical data (such as > an article's author, title or subject) can be expressed with icons or > glyphs, in circumstances where they are presented with no background, > but also in circumstances where they are mapped onto significant > infromation visualisation images like Kohonen maps or other self- > extracting maps. > > I went around the information Visualisation projects collected on the > Cyberstacks sites and I found none that looked in any way at the > question of iconic or glyphic document representation. The most > sophisticated ones used colored spheres to represent documents. Which > is a long way off from data expressed in Chernhoff faces or typical > data glyphs. > > Is anyone aware of any research being done on the topic? > > I have the impression I am about to do some rather heavy > trailblazing, since mapping textual or conceptual data on glyphs > seems to be radically different from mapping numerical data. > > It is very interesting though. > > Thank you for your directions, if any > > Alain Vaillancourt > > cxv3@musica.mcgill.ca > > or > > ndgmtlcd@gslis.lan.mcgill.ca > > 4320 Kensington > Montreal QC > H4B 2W3 > From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Sun Aug 10 13:23:21 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: Diamonds-in-the Rough (sm): Semantic Nets for Subject Thesauri Message-ID: <9708101725.AA20264@library.berkeley.edu> Diamonds-in-the Rough (sm): Semantic Nets for Subject Thesauri For my review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri [never-ending] I I am interested in efforts that have applied Semantic Networks or Conceptual Graphs to faceted (or non-faceted) _subject_ thesauri. A Semantic Net may be described as a graphic structure that represents the semantic associations of words and/or concepts within a textual corpus [Over-simplified]. I have been inspired to submit this posting from my reading of a fascinating study by Sedelow and Sedelow of the University of Arkansas at Little Rock (USA) reported in their paper "Thesauri and concept-lattice semantic nets" [Advances in Knowledge Organization 4(1994): 350-357] In their paper, S & S describe a prototype in which they have applied formal concept lattices to construct a 'rigorous and empirically accurate semantic net(s)'. In their prototype they the concept lattice approach to for 'representing the implicit, or internal structure, of _Roget's International Thesaurus_ (3rd edition) [1962] [This is contrasted with the "explicit hierarchical structure inasmuch as empirical investigation has shown that the explicit upper levels in the hierarchy are in many ways open to question ...] This insight for the Roget's Thesaurus has the potential of identifying, creating _and_ graphically displaying the cross-structural relationships that I believe are not offered in many conventional _subject_ thesauri [Of course, here I am assuming that the 'neo-relationships' uncovered by the creation of a semantic net and an associated graphic or other visual display, will indeed be more effective that the current conventional structures and forms of display] [This of course Remains to Be Seen [get it, 'Seen' - 'Display'] [:->] I am also aware of [have not read] the work of Roya Rada et al. "Retrieval Hierarchies in Hypertext" _Information Processing and Management_ (v29 n3 p359-71 May-June 1993) and of course, the highly-innovative Unified Medical Language System (UMLS) developed at the NLM. As always, and leads, citations,suggestions, reactions, criticism, critiques, opinions, gems [Sayings or Precious Stones] are welcome! Thanks Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Attributed to Peter Drucker From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Sun Aug 10 16:29:48 1997 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: Adaptable Applets - Menu-let Message-ID: I've just been trying this out. Looks very useful, but I can't get it to work from my system: The Menu-letTM Adaptable AppletTM allows you to create and modify a professional looking menu system for your web site. Since it's a Java applet, it can run on any platform, be it Windows, Mac, OS/2, or UNIX and work with any Java-capable browser, like Netscape Navigator 3.0+, MS Internet Explorer 3.0+, HotJava, etc. With Menu-letTM you can specify up to 6 top-level menus and up to 9 sub-menu items for each top-level menu, for a total of up to 54 menu items in addition to the one that points back to your home page!! You can even customize the appearance of your menu system by specifying parameters such as Background Color, Text Color, and Menu Style. The Menu Style property allows you to choose a Windows 3.x look, a Windows 95 look, or a more generic appearance, based entirely on your preference. http://www.q-d.com/menulet.htm From thekat at mlmail.com Sun Aug 10 16:59:30 1997 From: thekat at mlmail.com (The Kat) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: [FYI] Announcing the Canadian Initiative on Digital Libraries In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970808141708.005f6278@nlc-bnc.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970810165930.00ac8a80@mlmail.com> At 12:07 PM 8/8/97 -0700, Terry Kuny wrote: >This message is being cross-posted to a number of discussion >lists. Please excuse any duplication. > >(Une version francaise suit la version anglaise.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Announcing the Canadian Initiative on Digital Libraries > >A new alliance of Canadian libraries interested in improving >communication and coordination in the development of Canadian >digital library resources has been formed. The Canadian >Initiative on Digital Libraries (CIDL) will provide a forum for: >*sharing information and experience related to digital libraries, >*discussing best practices in areas such as digitization, >metadata, encoding, rights management, etc., >*defining roles and responsibilities for long-term archiving of >Canadian digital resources, >*raising awareness of Canadian digital library activities both >in Canada and internationally, >*and discussing many other issues including training, funding, >interoperability, public access, etc. > >CIDL will be directed by a steering committee elected in the >Fall 1997 from member libraries, and there will be subgroups >on specific issues. CIDL is open to all Canadian libraries. > >For more information on CIDL--its mandate, objectives, >proposed activities, how to become a member, etc.--and to >find some other useful information on digital library >development, please see our site at http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/cidl/ > >Gwynneth Evans >Director-General, National and International Programs >National Library of Canada >gwynneth.evans@nlc-bnc.ca > >**************************************************************** > >Ce message etant affiche dans plusieurs serveurs de liste, il se >peut qu il y ait chevauchement. Priere de nous en excuser. > >Annonce de l Initiative canadienne sur les bibliotheques >numeriques > >Une nouvelle alliance de bibliotheques canadiennes interessees >a ameliorer la communication et la coordination du developpement >des ressources de bibliotheques numeriques s est formee. > >L Initiative canadienne sur les bibliotheques numeriques (ICBN) >servira de forum pour : >* mettre en commun l information et l experience de tous en ce >qui concerne les bibliotheques numeriques; >* discuter de bonnes pratiques dans les domaines tels la >numerisation, les metadonnees, le codage, la gestion des >droits, etc.; >* definir les roles et les responsabilites relatifs a l archivage >a long terme des ressources numeriques canadiennes; >* faire connaitre les activites de bibliotheque numerique >canadiennes au Canada et sur le plan international; >* discuter de nombreuses autres questions comprenant la >formation, le financement, l interoperabilite, l acces public, >etc. > >L ICBN sera dirigee par un comite directeur elu a l automne 1997 >parmi les representants des bibliotheques adherentes, et des >groupes satellites seront formes pour regler des questions >particulieres. Toutes les bibliotheques canadiennes sont >invitees a participer. > >Pour plus de renseignements sur l ICBN--son mandat, ses >objectifs, ses activites proposees, comment devenir membre, >etc.--et trouver d autres renseignements utiles sur l evolution >des bibliotheques numeriques, nous vous invitons a consulter >notre site http://www.nlc-bcn.ca/cidl/. > >Gwynneth Evans >Directrice generale, Programmes nationaux et internationaux >Bibliotheque nationale du Canada >gwynneth.evans@nlc-bnc.ca > > > > > > Please can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from this list! Thanks Katherine From thekat at mlmail.com Sun Aug 10 16:59:45 1997 From: thekat at mlmail.com (The Kat) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: [HIT] CD-ROM evaluation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970809000336.006b848c@hknet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970810165945.00adbe8c@mlmail.com> At 09:16 AM 8/8/97 -0700, Hung Ming Michael (????)"@library.berkeley.edu wrote: >Here are some interesting information you have given me: >(Thanks for ALL those contributed) > >The next issue of PC Magazine will have their annual review of CD-ROMs...=20 >basically they list the top 100, broken down into several categories... you= >=20 >might want to check their web site for the information towards the end of=20 >next week . > >Brig C. McCoy - Automation Consultant >Southeast Kansas Library System - BRIGC@WORLD.STD.COM >218 East Madison Street - 316 365-5136 >Iola, KS 66749 - 316 365-5137, Fax > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------- > >This has been helpful in the past: > >Jacso, Peter. Testing the quality of CD-ROM databases. In: Basch, Reva,=20 >ed. Electronic Information Delivery: Ensuring Quality and Value. =20 >Brookfield, VT, USA: Gower, 1995, pp 141-168 > >Hope this helps! > >Scott Kiefer Library Technician >University of Alaska Fairbanks scottk@muskox.alaska.edu > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > >In a previous life, I put together a Web page called "Selecting CD-ROMs: A >Brief Bibliography." Take a look at http://www.bcr.org/cd-bibli.html. > >Internet Waves columnist -- Information Today >Best Bet Internet: Reference and Research When You Don't Have Time to Mess >Around >(ALA Editions -- 9/97) >http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/eudora/34/skennedy.html >sdk@mindspring.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > >See if the following is of any use:=20 > >K. Medawar, 'Database quality: a literature review of the past and a >plan for the future' in PROGRAM Vol.29 (3) (1995) pps.257-272. > >C. Johnston, 'CD-ROM database quality' in PROGRAM Vol.28 (4) (1994) >pps.379-394. > >S.H. Chisti, 'CD-ROM vs. Online: a comparison of PsycLIT (CD-ROM) and >PsycINFO (Dialog)' in REFERENCE LIBRARIAN Vol.40 (1993) pps.131-155. > >J.A. Large, 'Evaluating Online and CD-ROM reference sources' JOURNAL OF >LIBRARIANSHIP Vol.21 (2) (1989) pps.87-108. > >All have a fair list of references. > >There is the CENTRE FOR INFORMATION QUALITY MANAGEMENT in Wales. It is >funded by the British Library and is concerned with investigating >database quality problems and their effects on users. It is run by >Chris. J. Armstrong who also publishes articles from time to time. > >Hope this is of some use to you. > >Regards=20 > >Colin Johnston > >-------------------------------- > >Look at our database of Desireable and Exemplary Technology resources at >http://clearinghouse.k12.ca.us to see what educators in California have done >as a statewide project for evaluating all technology resources. > >If you will look in the area called INFO and look under Publications and >Projects you will find a document called Guidelines for the Evaluation of >Instructional Technology Resouces... That doucment gives the criteria >used when evaluating the titles. The document is also available for sale >and a nicely bound version. (the order form is also one of the documents >listed.) > >Ruth > >------------------------------------------------------- > >You may find the following website useful. As well as containing reviews >of over 500 educational CD-ROMs, there is a link to a page of information >on "Evaluating CD-ROM Titles" > >http://www.ncet.org.uk/cd-rom.html > >=20 >> [Image] CD-ROM reviews >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Over 500 educational CD-ROMs have been evaluated for these >> government-funded initiatives, using a set of pre-defined criteria by >> teams of teachers and school librarians nominated by Local Education >> Authorities, Professional Bodies and Subject Associations. When >> reading the reviews, please remember that they were reviewed at a >> particular time for specific purposes, eg for primary schools in 1995. >>=20 >> [Image] Primary CD ROM Titles Review 1995 >> CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 1 and 2 >> [Image] Multimedia Portables for Teachers >> CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 2, 3 and 4, and teachers >> [Image] Welsh Office Multimedia Portables Initiative >> CD ROMs mainly for Key Stages 1 and 2 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> NCET Home Page > > >Alison McNab > > = > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | Alison McNab (Academic Services Manager) = > | > | Pilkington Library, Loughborough University, Loughborough, UK LE11 3TU= > | > | Internet: A.S.McNab@Lboro.ac.uk Tel: 01509 222356 Fax: 01509 223993= > | > | Home page: http://www-staff.lboro.ac.uk/~lbasm/ = > | > = > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > >-------------------------------------------- > >Here is a site where all CDs and software that were evaluated are >listed. Hope it helps. >TIC =20 >---------- >Home Search Info Publishers Comments Help=20 > >---------- > > >---------- >Welcome to Technology in the Curriculum Online... >the educator's guide to high quality instructional technology resources > > > Search the California Technology in the Curriculum Evaluations Database=20 > > Information about the California Instructional Technology Clearinghouse=20 > > Publisher/Producer List > > Comments > > Help > > > >---------- >Our site works best with Web browsers that support tables. The following >browsers (or their newer versions) will allow you to get the most out of >Technology in the Curriculum Evaluations Database: Netscape 1.1, Netcruiser >2.0, and NCSA Mosaic 2.0.0 B9. > =20 >---------- >Home Search Info Publishers Comments Help=20 > >---------- >Permission is hereby granted to California educators to copy material in=20 >this document for instructional use. The document may not be distributed >for profit. >CALIFORNIA INSTRUCTIONAL TECHNOLOGY CLEARINGHOUSE >http://clearinghouse.k12.ca.us >=A9 1997 Stanislaus County Office of Education =20 > > >Technology in the Curriculum Evaluations Database web site is produced by >Cuesta Technologies, LLC,=20 >creators of award winning online catalogs and sites for Internet commerce. > >Powered by FileMaker =20 > >-------------------------------- >*************************************************************************** >michael hung >SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School Librarian >HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman > >Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 NIV >Homepage =3D http://www.hknet.com/~mmhung/ >michael email: mmhung@hknet.com [or] mmhung@schoool.net.hk >ida email: idayhchan@valise.com ida & michael Hung >*************************************************************************** > > Please can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from this list! Thanks Katherine From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Sun Aug 10 18:59:30 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:12 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <970810185930.20834df6@main.morris.org> Wednesday the Governor signed a managed health care bill; Thursday AM a patron wanted a copy. Had I not been able to change the printer over from letter to legal length to print the Envoy file (of the bill) patron would not have gotten his/her information. We fumbled our way through this because the library who called it in hadn't yet even installed an Envoy reader or plug-in in their browser (though took our suggestions and went at it with a will and a way). The reference staff *collectively* needs to be able to deliver information to the patron. Given different staffing configurations, sizes, ages, temperaments, how that is done will be highly variable. I would tell a group "this is what we have to be able to do...how might we achieve this collective competency?"//For myself? I am a bit weary of the stereotype (and sometimes, bashing) of the techno-maladept. We are in a (major!) transition period of professional tools ..let's try to be flexible and good-humored about it and with one another. I use my own timeline as an example in my workshops: 1973, Columbia Univ...only course requiring a computer is Hines' indexing class...you trot across campus with yr shoebox of cards to the Engineering School...where there IS a computer. My job at the International Affairs Library entails supervising student pages who are only allowed to file *above* the rod..I check the work and drop the cards. 1983, UToronto...I take a couple of computer courses to catch up on developments in the profession. Dumb terminals, 300 baud modems, minis in the basement ..learn PASCAL. 1993, Morris County Library. Go live with Internet on 350+ dumb terminals in 32 libraries for 440,000 residents. Reference department has one 286 with PSFWrite installed..being shared by staff of 14 to produce bibliographies. I have been able to invest my own time and money in an nearly exhausting continual learning curve ..not many in a generally underpaid profession can say that. Far too often I have seen trainers and/or administrators who, essentially, tell very effective librarians of long and solid careers "You don't know anything if you don't know the Internet (computers, technology...whatever)" I love Dr. David Carr's occasional comment to his students at Rutgers SCILS .."The power has gone out. NOW: serve your patrons." (No, you don't have battery back-up!) From jkuntz at rcls.org Mon Aug 11 07:59:26 1997 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: LibraryLand adds search engine Message-ID: <33EEFE9E.43C0@rcls.org> LibraryLand, a web resource guide for librarians (with a slight bias towards US public libraries) has added a site search engine. With over 1600 links, this feature became a necessity. The engine being used is SWISH-E, developed by the folks at Berkeley Digital Library (including Web4lib's Roy Tennant. Thanks, Roy!). LibraryLand has also been selected as one of the Best Library Related Websites by LIBRARY HI-TECH and will be featured in an upcoming issue of that journal. The URL for LibraryLand is: http://www.rcls.org/libland Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Mon Aug 11 08:55:44 1997 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff -Reply Message-ID: Learning new skills can be so frightening that the payoff is not always visible. Quite often people don't want to be vulnerable and admit that they don't have skills. Compassion is essential, training necessary, patience of the essence. However, these days our skill set includes minimal automation skills. Not everyone should become a librarian, and it should be understood that librarians that can't fulfill all competencies should either seek library positions where these skills are truly not needed (if such jobs exist) or at least understand that their job performance affects their career advancement. Folks who have risen to where they are going and refuse to learn new skills must be gently incorporated into the mix... but that's true in every profession. The other message to send these folks is that the payoff in terms of improved customer service is great (which will motivate some folks, depending on their "care factor"). Some users deliberately seek us out for minor automation assistance because of our kinder, gentler approach. We may not know as much as the "real" techies but we are compassionate and empathetic, and often can identify the problem and potential solutions very quickly, and we are focused on the information objective. (That CD doesn't work? Did you run your CD update icon? By the way, did you know we had a better resource for that question? Oh, yes! And we offer a class on those databases... by the way, that's a very nice sweater you're wearing... did you see the latest issue of Nature with the article related to your program... you can get the table of contents over the Internet... it's on our webpage... Etc.) As for the library professor posing the "power down" scenario... If the computers are down in this library, we tell folks we can't do much except write down their questions and call them back later. I'm not too enthralled with the idea that a "good" library can support older technologies if that isn't relevant to its environment. What are we supposed to do, put the Internet on microfiche and then view it with candlelight readers? If we can't search the cmputer, we can't search the catalog; most of what we want is online; even if we can find a little--we know we're missing the bulk of hte information we're seeking. And we increasingly communicate with our patrons electronically. I can hand someone a report I know about, or root through a magazine table of contents or two, but there aren't any paper indices here, nor should there be. (But we can still compliment patrons on their nice outfits.) Actually, if the power goes off in this building, and the pwer fails to kick in, I'll be gathering up the patrons and QUICKLY walking those sixteen flights down and outta here! Karen G. Schneider/schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Contractor, GCI/Director, US EPA Region 2 Library http://www.epa.gov/Region2/library/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 11 09:37:36 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: IIS/PWS 4.0b2 Message-ID: <199708111336.JAA31477@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Web4Lib-- Has anyone successfully downloaded the beta version of either Microsoft IIS 4.0 or Personal Webserver 4.0? I've tried a few times over the last month, but (after going through the needlessly lengthy registration process) consistently get a message that the network is too busy. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From smatwick at iisd.ca Mon Aug 11 10:04:01 1997 From: smatwick at iisd.ca (Stacy Matwick) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: FW: Africa libraries Listserve Message-ID: <619641E49D95CF1199BA00A0243D6F3E1F1CF4@iisdpost.iisd.ca> Sorry for any duplication. I've noticed other IFLA members on this list. > ---------- > From: Sophie Felfoldi[SMTP:Sophie.Felfoldi@IFLA.NL] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 6:00 AM > To: IFLA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA > Subject: Africa libraries Listserve > > African libraries Listserve > > We are happy to announce the establishment of the AFRICAN > LIBRARIES LISTSERV, the result of an informal meeting of the tiny > "Africa Caucus" (Christine Kisiedu, Gboyega Banjo and Peter Lor) > at the Summit of World Library Leaders held in New York in April > last year. > In discussing the barriers to library development in Africa, we > identified professional isolation as one of the things that we > can actually do something about ourselves, thanks to electronic > mail and the connectivity that is spreading through our > continent. > > The AFRICAN LIBRARIES LISRSERV (AFLIB-L) is an open, lightly > moderated discussion list. It aims is to provide a discussion > forum for libraries in Africa, to encourage contact and > communication between and among professionals on the continent. > > Let us break down the barriers of isolation through the exchange > of ideas. > > Our primary language will be English, but in due coarse we hope > to get some assistance so that we can deal with French and > Portuguese as well. > > This list is being established with the blessing of the Africa > Section of the International Federation of Library Associations > and Institutions (IFLA) (chair Kay Raseroka) and the Standing > Conference of African National and University Libraries - East, > Central and Southern Africa (SCANUL-ECS) (chair Tirong arap > Tanui). It is open not only to members of IFLA and SCANUL-ECS, > but to all libraries and information workers (including > documentalists, archivists and information managers), teachers of > librarianship and information work, researchers in library and > information science, and others with an interest in librarianship > and information work who are working in Africa of have a strong > interest in Africa. > > The themes we anticipate being discussed on our list include: > > a) general discussion of professional problems and issues to > promote intra-African contact, communication and dialogue. > (Questions and answers forum) > > b) discussion of professional training and what should go into > this in order to strengthen capacities to meet the demands of > this information age > > c) circulation of information on current major projects for > general information, seeking ideas and support, and towards > the possibility of undertaking joint projects, dissemination > of research in progress. > > d) discussion of technology applications in Africa > > e) discussion on issues in the dissemination of literature and > information generated in Africa. > > Conference announcements and the like will be welcomed, but the > list is nit open for commercial advertising. > > The moderator is Susan Oelofse, who works in the Bibliographic > Servises Programme in the State Library. Pretoria. I look > forward to receiving your contributions. > > Susan Oelofse > > To subscribe, send an e-mail > to: > > AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.goc.za > > Leave the subject field open > > with the message: > > subscribe > > FOR EXAMPLE: subscribe susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za > > PLEASE NOTE: Remove signatures when subscribing > > You may leave this list at any time by sending an > > e-mail to: > > AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za > > Leave the subject field open > > with the message: > > sign off > > FOR EXAMPLE: sign off susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za > > To post messages and information to the list, send an e-mail to: > > AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za > From helfman at huc.edu Mon Aug 11 10:36:26 1997 From: helfman at huc.edu (A.W. Helfman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff Message-ID: <199708111436.KAA13927@server.huc.edu> I work in a very small academic institution that has *no* computing staff, so I have no choice but to be the in-house computer expert!! And, if I may open a tangential thread: We have the funds to automate (!) our library and expect to do so within the next few years. I am trying to decide what I should do in terms of continuing education so that I will be able to coordinate the automation process and be the system administrator. The most recent version of the system we are most likely to purchase (the library director feels that since there is no perfect option, we should wait a few years longer before we automate...don't get me started!!) is a UNIX-based client-server setup. I am a proficient UNIX user, and last year I took computer programming at the university where I worked. I'm not sure if I should pursue a certificate in LAN administration, or take a course in C programming and work toward a certificate in UNIX system adminstration, or if there is some better, third or fourth option. All advice gratefully accepted! Amy W. Helfman (helfman@huc.edu) Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, New York Personal homepage: http://www.albany.edu/~helfman/ From bcmayes at panix.com Mon Aug 11 11:06:05 1997 From: bcmayes at panix.com (Byron C. Mayes) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Skills for reference staff -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: [snip of stuff to which I'd say "me, too"] > As for the library professor posing the "power down" scenario... > If the computers are down in this library, we tell folks we can't do > much except write down their questions and call them back later. > I'm not too enthralled with the idea that a "good" library can > support older technologies if that isn't relevant to its environment. > What are we supposed to do, put the Internet on microfiche and > then view it with candlelight readers? If we can't search the > cmputer, we can't search the catalog; most of what we want is > online; even if we can find a little--we know we're missing the > bulk of hte information we're seeking. I submit that the same holds true in academia where we (do* have a supply of paper indices. Ever try to tell a bunch of undergrads that they ccan't search Readers Guide or Music Index on disc "but you can use the hard copy right here!"? The eyes glaze over faster than Krispy Kreme, and they simply say they'll come back later. Of course, if the power's really out, the lights are out, too, and some Ref rooms (like at Juilliard where I am) have no windows (the kind that let in light, not the Darkness of Microsoft kind). *Now* help your patrons! Byron Byron C. Mayes ** Generic Haiku... bcmayes@panix.com ** Five syllables here, http://www.panix.com/~bcmayes ** With seven syllables here, finger me ... my .plan is *much* cooler! ** And five more to end. From onlineed at dallas.net Mon Aug 11 06:21:59 1997 From: onlineed at dallas.net (Gina Yarbrough) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Online Educator's Weekly Super Sites for August 10,1997 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970811102159.00cd2d0c@dallas.net> Hello From Online Educator, Here are the five Education Super Sites for the week of August 10, 1997 from The Online Educator, creators of "Point, Click and Teach.". 1. Math Give your students some math news they can use with CALCULATING A CAR PAYMENT. This real-world math lesson comes from GirlTECH, a program sponsored by the Center for Research on Parallel Computation at The Rice School in Houston, Texas. It requires students to go on the Internet to find cars for sale. Using a scientific calculator, the students then figure out the total cost of the car payments. NOTE: The suggested Internet car lot in this lesson plan has been shut down, but don't fret. You can send your students to The Car Network (http://carnetwork.com/) to work through this lesson plan. 2. Science Mix a little fun in your science curriculum with CHEM-4-KIDS. Many students resist being led to the chemistry lab because they find the subject boring. Send those students to CHEM-4-KIDS first to convince them the subject doesn't have to be dull. Although this site is still growing, it contains enough basic material to make visiting worthwhile. 3. All categories Help your students develop critical thinking skills with MISSION CRITICAL. Many educators consider critical thinking skills the most important thing they can teach their students. San Jose State University has developed a very thorough Web site devoted to this important topic. The site will walk your students through increasingly difficult issues and exercises, all designed to increase their ability to think. 4. Language Deliver fun, interactive language arts lessons to your students,compliments of A LANGUAGE ARTS WEBSITE FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS. This well designed site delivers more than a dozen lesson plans designed to sharpen your students language arts skills, including reading, writing and spelling. This is a good URL to bookmark for future reference. 5. Health Make sure your students get good online health information with help from Reuters Health Information Services INTERNET HEALTH WATCH. If your students are doing online research on medical and health topics, this is a must-visit site. Reuters Health Information Services has reviewed about 40 of the top health and medical sites on the Net, indicating which sites contain good information and which are not recommended. Visiting this site will help your students learn how to evaluate the information they receive on Web sites. You can check out these sites for yourself by visiting our Hot Links for Teachers page at: http://ole.net:8081/educator/LINKS.hbs Want more? Dig through our database of hundreds of previous Super Sites at: http://ole.net:8081/educator/search.hbs Still want more? Check out our free lesson plans and articles off our homepage: http://ole.net/ole/ Have a suggestion? E-mail us at netsmart@dallas.net Subscription information: http://ole.net/ole/SUBSCRIBE.html Online Educator/NIEOnline Web site: http://ole.net/ole/ 3131 Turtle Creek Blvd. Suite 1250 Dallas, TX. 75219 (214)526-3700 or (800)672-6988 Email: onlineed@dallas.net From jkuntz at rcls.org Mon Aug 11 11:37:59 1997 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: copying large files References: <48A04860.CDD6D83F@olsn.on.ca> Message-ID: <33EF31D7.5507@rcls.org> Jacques Presseault wrote: > > York County Hospital wrote: > > > Need to know: > > > > Is it possible to copy files larger than 1.4 megabytes from hard drive > > to > > 1.4 megabyte floppy disks? > > if so, how? Thanks. > > I can think of 2 ways: > > compress the file down to under 1.44Mg using WinZip or some other > similar program. > > split the file into separate less-than-1.44Mg "sub"-files and copy each > of those onto separate floppies > > > kathy dedrick > > york county hospital > > health sciences library > > newmarket,ontario > > ych@ican.net > > -- > Jacques Presseault jacques@olsn.on.ca > Ontario Library Service - North (Sudbury) > http://www.library.on.ca/index.html > Tel.: (705) 675-6433 Fax: (705) 671-2441 There are also utilities that allow you to format floppies greater than 1.44 MB. One that I know of is the SAB Diskette Utility available through ZDNet's Software Library. There are others around, too. Using a combination of zip files and these super-formated diskettes, you can fit quite a lot. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From jm at UH.EDU Mon Aug 11 12:14:37 1997 From: jm at UH.EDU (Judy Myers) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Skills for Reference staff -- reflections Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970811112311.268701e4@jetson.uh.edu> I agree that reference librarians should not be asked to have all of the skills of the Systems Department, and sometimes troubleshooting is the most challenging part of the technical job -- after all, it is analogous to the reference interview! However, millions of people have computers in their homes, which they have set up and are able to use with no formal support. If they have a problem they can't solve, they figure out how to deal with it. Many reference staffers who will not troubleshoot computers at work will happily go online at home as soon as they become interested in something that requries it, such as keeping in touch with the grandkids or doing genealology research. Many times I have been accosted in airport lounges on the way to library conferences by retirees who have identified me as a librarian (yes, even the public can spot us in airports, and they know libraries use computers) and who want to talk about the Internet -- what communications software do I use, have I found any great Web sites on bird watching. What is going on that makes library staff reluctant to deal with library computers, when members of the public at large jump right in? Several thing, I believe. First, the computers at work *are* more complicated, being on a network and all, and the Systems staff have definite ideas about what should be done when things go wrong. Second, there *is* a Systems staff, and if reference librarians do systems work, less time and mind-space are available for doing their own. Third (and several respondents have alluded to this) people have different ideas about how much they should take responsibility for learning in order to continue to do their jobs well. A couple of these problems can be solved if honest communication can take place in the organization. If, for example, Systems can develop a troubleshooting check list and keep it current, or have update sessions for a few interested key people in various areas of the Library. The third item above seems deeper to me. -- Bear with me, these reflections are in a much less-formed state that the ones above. -- We think of librarianship as a profession, but it is different from most in that we are lower paid and we tend to work in groups. We don't make enough to participate in the training opportunities we would like to, even if we have the time, and it may not be clear who in our group should go anyway. The person who learns a hot new skill will be in demand, and that is good and bad. At our university I have seen several new faculty members come here with statistical skills, or computer skills, spend too much time helping their colleagues, and fail to get tenure. Something similar can happen in a library. Credit, in the form of enabling people to continue to do a useful job, needs to be given to the people who learn new skills, such as Web development or troubleshooting the reference computers or teaching other reference staffers to do so. Again, I think a good first step is to discuss the matter in your library. If the reference staff won't deal with the technical aspects of the computer, that may or may not be the problem that needs to be solved. Something else may be in the way. Judy E. Myers jm@uh.edu Assistant to the Dean of Libraries 713/743-9805 (voice) University of Houston Libraries 713/743-9811 (fax) Houston, TX 77204-2091 From gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu Mon Aug 11 12:17:15 1997 From: gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu (Jean P. Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Ice-Cube(sm): Visual Representation and Navigation of LCSH Facets References: <9708081708.AA12536@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <33EF3B0B.1E57@dominican.edu> What is facet analysis? Jean Gordon Gerry McKiernan wrote: > > _Ice-Cube(sm):_ > Visual Representation and Navigation of LCSH Facets > > In a recent posting [I believe it was this week], > I inquired about any effort that has sought to perform > a Facet Analysis on the Library of Congress Subject Headings > (LCSH). Those who have responded to this query indicated that > they were not aware of any current effort. > > With the expectation that this will be done some > way, some day, it has occurred to me that there will be > a need to represent and navigate the Facets once they > are identified. For this awesome task, I propose > the creation of a Information Space Cube [Let's call > it Ice-Cube(sm) [:->] > > From a Facet Analysis, one could expect that every > LC subject heading could be assigned to every and all > facets to a matter of degree. A particular subject > will certainly be a member of more than one facet category > [Of of course, a particular facet would also be a member of > > more than one higher facet]. For the sake of argument > let's assume that ten major facets were established for > each LC subject heading [Below the Meta-Facet level, there > of course would be SubFacet levels in which a specific > subject heading would hold membership; again let's say > that at the first SubFacet level there are ten sub-facet > categories [What can I say, I'm feeling digital today > [hey that rhymes [:->]] > > At the Meta-Facet level, a specific subject would > have the possibility of having a value assigned to each > facet for that level [Let's say, we discover through > Algorithmic Magic, that these values can range from > One (1) through 10 (ten) [Boy, Am I Digital] and that > each assigned value represents the relative semantic > weight that the particular subject has for a given facet > at a given Facet > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] > > Thus, for example, a specific subject heading, would > be represented by a statement that consisted of a set > of relative weights [Zero to 9] for ten facets [in facet order of > course [:->]] > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] > > The Ice-Cube(sm) would be a construct consisting of each > of the ten facets on each the X axis, Y axis and the Z axis. > A given subject heading would be located within Ice-Cube(sm) > at the coordinates of the relative weight of the subject > for each Facet at a given facet level [Weights could vary from > Absolute Zero to 9.9999 etc. [We'd need to set a threshold - > up to 10 decimal places [Oops, there I go again Being Digital > [With apologies to Negroponte] [Hey, Decimals are Digital![:->] > Other LC Subject Headings with a similar facet statement > would have a similar location within the Ice-Cube(sm). > Hopefully, [if we make the appropriate sacrifices to the > Automated System Gods and Goddesses and the Comp Sci Gurus] > subject headings with the same facet profile [and hopefully > 'meaning' [whatever that may be in the Faceted Universe] > would be clustered together for subsequent navigation. > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] > > Of course, we need to have different Ice-Cube levels to > allow users to browse from the MetaFacet level to SubFacet levels > [We'd need a sub-cube for each of the Meta-Facet categories > indicating the relatively associations of sub-facets at > the sub-facet level] [The Meta-Facet level would of course > be called the Ice-Cream(sm) [Cream raises to the top - get > it] > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] > > Ice-Cube(sm) would then be the interface for the display of > the LCSH as an interface to an LCSH OPAC. Users would browse > subjects by interacting with them within the Ice-Cube(sm). > The interaction within a Faceted OPAC (a FacPac ? [:->] > will be the topic of another posting in the near future > [Can you wait?] > > [I was going to call this metaphor Ice-Cubed - Ice to the > Third Power, but I don't have a superscript on this SGI Indy {:-(] > > Certainly, other metaphors can be considered for mapping > and displaying the faceted essence of a subject heading, > including those in my clearinghouse devoted to Information > Visualization, _The Big Picture_ available at URL > > http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/BigPic.htm > > I can see myself moving from my Cubist phase to some > Out-of-the Box [:->] thinking to consider a spheroid metaphor; > in that case I'd call it ... _The Whole Ball of Wax_ - > it's certainly more global or at least globular {:->] > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] > > All of the above sounds very mathematical. Can anyone > tell me what branch of math I working in here. [I'd > like to post to the appropriate Math groups two/too]. > > But seriously folks, I'd very much appreciate any and all > information about efforts to display and/or visualize > facet associations, LCSH or otherwise. > > [Afterthought: How about the facet analysis of other > thesauri] > >

Thanks

> > Gerry McKiernan > Curator, CyberStacks(sm) > Iowa State University > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ > > "What's It All About, Alfie?" > > [If You Can Follow this Logic, Read-On, Otherwise Press 'Delete'] -- ************************************************************* Jean P. Gordon Phone: 415-257-0196 Archbishop Alemany Library Fax: 415-459-2309 Dominican College 50 Acacia Avenue E-mail: gordonjp@dominican.edu San Rafael, CA 94901 Web page: http://www.dominican.edu ************************************************************* From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 11 11:16:27 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: [NEW LIST] AFLIB-L: African Libraries Listserv Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970811111627.00597ea8@nlc-bnc.ca> ANNOUNCING: AFLIB-L African libraries Listserv We are happy to announce the establishment of the AFRICAN LIBRARIES LISTSERV, the result of an informal meeting of the tiny "Africa Caucus" (Christine Kisiedu, Gboyega Banjo and Peter Lor) at the Summit of World Library Leaders held in New York in April last year. In discussing the barriers to library development in Africa, we identified professional isolation as one of the things that we can actually do something about ourselves, thanks to electronic mail and the connectivity that is spreading through our continent. The AFRICAN LIBRARIES LISRSERV (AFLIB-L) is an open, lightly moderated discussion list. It aims is to provide a discussion forum for libraries in Africa, to encourage contact and communication between and among professionals on the continent. Let us break down the barriers of isolation through the exchange of ideas. Our primary language will be English, but in due coarse we hope to get some assistance so that we can deal with French and Portuguese as well. This list is being established with the blessing of the Africa Section of the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) (chair Kay Raseroka) and the Standing Conference of African National and University Libraries - East, Central and Southern Africa (SCANUL-ECS) (chair Tirong arap Tanui). It is open not only to members of IFLA and SCANUL-ECS, but to all libraries and information workers (including documentalists, archivists and information managers), teachers of librarianship and information work, researchers in library and information science, and others with an interest in librarianship and information work who are working in Africa of have a strong interest in Africa. The themes we anticipate being discussed on our list include: a) general discussion of professional problems and issues to promote intra-African contact, communication and dialogue. (Questions and answers forum) b) discussion of professional training and what should go into this in order to strengthen capacities to meet the demands of this information age c) circulation of information on current major projects for general information, seeking ideas and support, and towards the possibility of undertaking joint projects, dissemination of research in progress. d) discussion of technology applications in Africa e) discussion on issues in the dissemination of literature and information generated in Africa. Conference announcements and the like will be welcomed, but the list is not open for commercial advertising. The moderator is Susan Oelofse, who works in the Bibliographic Servises Programme in the State Library. Pretoria. I look forward to receiving your contributions. Susan Oelofse To subscribe, send an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.goc.za Leave the subject field open with the message: subscribe FOR EXAMPLE: subscribe susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za PLEASE NOTE: Remove signatures when subscribing You may leave this list at any time by sending an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za Leave the subject field open with the message: sign off FOR EXAMPLE: sign off susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za To post messages and information to the list, send an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 11 11:31:20 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: [FYI] ALA Melvil Dewey Medal recipient named Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970811113120.006a4b78@nlc-bnc.ca> August 11, 1997 IFLA Press Release ALA Melvil Dewey Medal recipient named Robert Wedgeworth, university librarian and professor of library administration at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, is the 1997 recipient of the American Library Association (ALA) Melvil Dewey Award. The award, a citation and medal donated by OCLC/Forest Press,Inc., is given to an individual or group for recent creative professionalachievement in library management, training, cataloging and classification, and the tools and techniques of librarianship. Wedgeworth was dean of the School of Library Service at Columbia University in New York from 1985-1992. He was executive director of ALA from 1985-1992. He serves as a trustee for the Newberry Library in Chicago and chairs ALA's Advisory Committee for the Office of Information Technology. "Robert Wedgeworth seemed a natural choice for this award because of the parallels in his career and that of Melvil Dewey, with Wedgeworth leading ALA as executive director, serving as dean of the School of Library Service at Columbia, directing a university library, and working toward the improvement of library services through adoption of the information technology of the day," said Janet Swan Hill, chair of the Dewey Award Jury. Additionally, if the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) had existed when Dewey was alive, I think it's likely that he, like Wedgeworth, would have served as its president." Wedgeworth is the author of "The Starvation of Young Black Minds: The Effects of the Book Boycotts in South Africa," (1989) and "Issues Affecting the Development of Digital Libraries in Science and Technology" (1996). He is the recipient of the International Council of Archives Medal of Honor, the Most Distinguished Alumnus Award from the University of Illinois and the 1989 ALA Joseph Lippincott Award. He received a bachelor's degree from Wabash College in Crawfordsville, Ind., and a master's degree from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Mon Aug 11 13:13:49 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Roger, Two-Ten, and Out: Access and Display of Abbreviated Journal Titles In OPACs Message-ID: <9708111715.AA31769@library.berkeley.edu> Roger, Two-Ten, and Out: Access and Display of Abbreviated Journal Titles In OPACs For my other ever-ending review of Data Mining and Knowledge Discovery in Database (KDD) [which I am interpreting technically as well as theoretically, philosophically and in practice], I am interesting in learning about online public access systems (e.g OPACs) that offer users the ability to search and/or browse/scan journal title abbreviations in the local OPAC. I have identified one OPAC and one paper relating to this functionality. The paper is by Kathleen Pratt who describes the LANL OPAC in her spine-tingling [:->] article "Accessing abbreviated journal titles in the online catalog at Los Alamos National Laboratory" _Serials Review_ v .22 (Summer 1996): 57-59. [Our copy of this issue is currently on vacation, so I have not been able to read it {:->] However .... If one, [if one?], accesses the LANL OPAC and browses the title field with an abbreviated journal title (e.g. Ser Rev) one finds the abbreviated title listed alphabetically in order with other 'SER' titles. Please find below a (modified) screen shot for Sequential test procedures for detecting protracted materials losses (1) Sequential tests of statistical hypotheses (1) Sequential trigger procedure for use in monitoring nuclear power plant The sequestration of metals; theoretical considerations and practical Sequoyah Unit 1 Charge Converter Examination Results (1) >>> SER. REV (1) Seramikku detabukku '86 (1) SERBER SAYS ABOUT HIGH ENERGY PROCESSES AND NUCLEAR FORCES (1) SERBER SAYS ABOUT MESOTRONS (1) Serber-Wilson method formulae and computation methods (1) SerboCroatian-English dictionary (1) I am particularly interested in: A> Existing or Current Vendor plans for this functionality and B> Personal and/or Professional Views on the Value and Usefulness of the functionality! BTW: The Two-Ten above refers to the MARC 210 field. With regards to abbreviations in general, I'd recommend that these be ISO and/or ANSI and that there be the ability to add additional standard abbreviations [e.g those established and accepted by an professional society or an abstracting and indexing service] in additional 210 fields] Citations to any and all related work would also be of great interest! Thanks ! Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Attributed to Peter Drucker From DILEWIS at IGSRGLIB01.ER.USGS.GOV Mon Aug 11 13:35:18 1997 From: DILEWIS at IGSRGLIB01.ER.USGS.GOV (Diane Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections Message-ID: Our library just lost an excellent computer support person to the private sector. It is the latest twist in an already volatile situation. Reference librarians have good reason to be reluctant to do more than learn to boot the system and fix the different printers. Our Reference staff must master and retain search strategies for our networked library system, multiple cd-rom databases, and Dialog. Try doing that with a technologically-sophisticated scientist standing over you. Just booting up all the different pcs with this stuff on them in the morning is a stress point for the Reference staff. The rest of us back here in Tech. Services are trying to lie low and avoid being drafted to serve on the desk. But that time looms inevitably as we lose staff and don't replace them. One wonders what profit there is for anyone in a burned-out, demoralized staff? Diane M. Lewis, Serial Records Librarian & Exchange Librarian U.S. Geological Survey Library National Center--MS 950 Reston, Virginia 20192 (703)648-4399 dilewis@igsrglib01.usgs.gov "Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to an ignorant nation."--Walter Cronkite. With gratitude to those who gave their lives so that we might speak freely, the ideas and opinions expressed herein are mine alone. From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 11 14:03:18 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: [CORRECTION: NEW LIST] AFLIB-L African libraries Listserv Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970811140318.002be668@nlc-bnc.ca> The message that was forwarded earlier had an error in the subscription address. It should read: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za *NOT* AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.goc.za The listowner (susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za) has been notified of the error. The corrected notice is below. -terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ANNOUNCING: AFLIB-L African libraries Listserv We are happy to announce the establishment of the AFRICAN LIBRARIES LISTSERV, the result of an informal meeting of the tiny "Africa Caucus" (Christine Kisiedu, Gboyega Banjo and Peter Lor) at the Summit of World Library Leaders held in New York in April last year. In discussing the barriers to library development in Africa, we identified professional isolation as one of the things that we can actually do something about ourselves, thanks to electronic mail and the connectivity that is spreading through our continent. The AFRICAN LIBRARIES LISRSERV (AFLIB-L) is an open, lightly moderated discussion list. It aims is to provide a discussion forum for libraries in Africa, to encourage contact and communication between and among professionals on the continent. Let us break down the barriers of isolation through the exchange of ideas. Our primary language will be English, but in due coarse we hope to get some assistance so that we can deal with French and Portuguese as well. This list is being established with the blessing of the Africa Section of the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) (chair Kay Raseroka) and the Standing Conference of African National and University Libraries - East, Central and Southern Africa (SCANUL-ECS) (chair Tirong arap Tanui). It is open not only to members of IFLA and SCANUL-ECS, but to all libraries and information workers (including documentalists, archivists and information managers), teachers of librarianship and information work, researchers in library and information science, and others with an interest in librarianship and information work who are working in Africa of have a strong interest in Africa. The themes we anticipate being discussed on our list include: a) general discussion of professional problems and issues to promote intra-African contact, communication and dialogue. (Questions and answers forum) b) discussion of professional training and what should go into this in order to strengthen capacities to meet the demands of this information age c) circulation of information on current major projects for general information, seeking ideas and support, and towards the possibility of undertaking joint projects, dissemination of research in progress. d) discussion of technology applications in Africa e) discussion on issues in the dissemination of literature and information generated in Africa. Conference announcements and the like will be welcomed, but the list is not open for commercial advertising. The moderator is Susan Oelofse, who works in the Bibliographic Servises Programme in the State Library. Pretoria. I look forward to receiving your contributions. Susan Oelofse susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za To subscribe, send an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za Leave the subject field open with the message: subscribe FOR EXAMPLE: subscribe susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za PLEASE NOTE: Remove signatures when subscribing You may leave this list at any time by sending an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za Leave the subject field open with the message: sign off FOR EXAMPLE: sign off susan_o@statelib.pwv.gov.za To post messages and information to the list, send an e-mail to: AFLIB-L@statelib.pwv.gov.za From sjaeger at genesee.freenet.org Mon Aug 11 14:19:14 1997 From: sjaeger at genesee.freenet.org (Sally Jaeger) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a few thoughts from a beleaguered reference librarian in a large urban library. We have 20 public access computers, excluding our dynix terminals--few of the same make, model and vintage. Ditto the five copiers and five reader printers, not to mention the two fiche readers and the typewriter. Add into the mix that we rotate desks twice a day and you have a technicalogical nightmare. There are days when you do little but trouble shoot machines or give five minute "how-to" courses. We do what we can to keep everything running but I wonder about the level of reference service when I'm spending so much of my time re-booting computers, reinstalling printers, clearing copier jams and threading reader printers. We do have technical support staff who handle major problems, but reference staff does "sweat " the small stuff. Sally Jaeger sjaeger@genesee.freenet.org Flint Public Library 1026 E. Kearsley Street Flint, Michigan 48502 810-232-7111-244 From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 11 14:20:05 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: [FYI] IFLA Conference Sessions on ILL Protocol and Z39.50 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970811142005.006a2980@nlc-bnc.ca> (This announcement is being sent to a number of discussion lists. My apologies for duplicates you may receive.) If you are interested in communication standards for library systems, be sure to attend the following sessions at the IFLA Conference in Copenhagen this September. Session 100: September 2: “ILL Protocol Standard: Interlibrary Loan in an Open Networked Environment” Objective: To provide delegates with an introduction to the capabilities of this standard and how it can be used to support automated ILL messaging in a heterogeneous computer environment. The session will include an overview of the ISO Interlibrary Loan Protocol Standard and presentations on ILL protocol implementation activities in North America, Europe and Australia. Session 126: September 3: “Z39.50: Information Retrieval in an Open Network Environment” Objective: To provide an introduction to the Z39.50 Information Retrieval Standard: what it is, how it works, who has implemented it. The session includes an overview of the Z39.50 standard, a more technical discussion of Z39.50 developments and a review of projects supported by the European Commission. Session 162: September 4: “Z39.50: Vendor Products, Issues and Trends” Objective: To illustrate the capabilities of the Z39.50 standard through the demonstration of a variety of Z39.50 products. The workshop will also include a panel discussion on Z39.50 issues, trends and end-user concerns. For more information on the IFLA Conference and program, please check these sites: IFLANET Conference Page < http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63intro.htm > Conference Programme and Proceedings < http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63cp.htm > Fay Turner -- Fay Turner, Information Technology Services National Library of Canada E-mail: fay.turner@nlc-bnc.ca Tel: (819) 994-6830, Fax: (819) 994-6835 From awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us Mon Aug 11 15:00:51 1997 From: awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us (Alan Withoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections References: Message-ID: <33EF6163.3271A52F@mlc.lib.ms.us> Sally Jaeger wrote: > > Just a few thoughts from a beleaguered reference librarian in a large > urban library. We have 20 public access computers, excluding our dynix > terminals--few of the same make, model and vintage.... >Add into the mix that we rotate desks twice a day and you > have a technicalogical nightmare. There are days when you do little > trouble shoot machines or give five minute "how-to" courses. > I wonder about the level of reference service when I'm spending so >much of my time re-booting > computers, reinstalling printers, ..... > > Sally Jaeger sjaeger@genesee.freenet.org > Flint Public Library > 1026 E. Kearsley Street > Flint, Michigan 48502 > 810-232-7111-244 Sounds like a call for....NETWORK COMPUTER!! -- Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Mon Aug 11 15:00:52 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Whoooo are you? Message-ID: <970811150052.20a1c537@main.morris.org> said the caterpillar to Alice...just had occasion to drop into many of the electronic reference forms which were posted here a few weeks ago. Know what? In many (most?) you have NO idea what library you are in until you back out at least one, if not two pages/levels. Reminder: we should all parachute into the middle of our sites sometimes and see if it is clear whose site it is?? ..and now I'm off to check all my pages!! for proper identification (uh-oh). From carolyn_gonzalez at medcom1.smtplink.amedd.army.mil Mon Aug 11 16:00:19 1997 From: carolyn_gonzalez at medcom1.smtplink.amedd.army.mil (carolyn_gonzalez@medcom1.smtplink.amedd.army.mil) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections Message-ID: <9708118713.AA871326332@medcom2.smtplink.amedd.army.mil> Diane: What profit is there in all this? Zowie-kabowie!! Be happy and take heart! This is a time of great opportunity for the librarians in your workplace. Here's the plan. You folks in technical services and the reference staff need to get together and invest in a few webmaster manuals. Then a few of you study up first and teach the whole staff webmaster skills. Then you guys can ALL get better paying jobs in the private sector. Carpe diem, Carolyn Ellis Gonzalez, Head Librarian US Army. Knowledge Management Network phone: (210) 221-6514 e-mail: Carolyn_Gonzalez@medcom2.smtplink.amedd.army.mil ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Reference service and computers--further reflections Author: Date: 8/11/97 10:50 AM Our library just lost an excellent computer support person to the private sector. It is the latest twist in an already volatile situation. Reference librarians have good reason to be reluctant to do more than learn to boot the system and fix the different printers. Our Reference staff must master and retain search strategies for our networked library system, multiple cd-rom databases, and Dialog. Try doing that with a technologically-sophisticated scientist standing over you. Just booting up all the different pcs with this stuff on them in the morning is a stress point for the Reference staff. The rest of us back here in Tech. Services are trying to lie low and avoid being drafted to serve on the desk. But that time looms inevitably as we lose staff and don't replace them. One wonders what profit there is for anyone in a burned-out, demoralized staff? Diane M. Lewis, Serial Records Librarian & Exchange Librarian U.S. Geological Survey Library National Center--MS 950 Reston, Virginia 20192 (703)648-4399 dilewis@igsrglib01.usgs.gov "Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to an ignorant nation."--Walter Cronkite. With gratitude to those who gave their lives so that we might speak freely, the ideas and opinions expressed herein are mine alone. From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Mon Aug 11 15:26:33 1997 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections -Reply Message-ID: I sympathise with the librarian who is working in such a heterogenous computing environment, and if there is a way to pass this upstream constructively would encourage her to do so. We're fortunate that we have pretty much one machine, if it is different generations. However, as far as the "five-minute courses" on using computers go, while they become tedious quickly, imho they are descendants of that great librarian skill, Teaching People How To Look It Up In The Catalog. In fact, I bet we teach MORE people BETTER skills than the olden days. People never could use card catalogs well anyway, for the most part, but it's easier to say "how do you work this dumb computer?" than "I managed to get through college without learning how to look things up." So we've just displaced some tasks with others, and we help people to use computers instead of using the catalogs, which means we're spending all of our time doing our jobs, which is as it should be. The fact that 95% of most work becomes excruciatingly tedious in a short time is just one of those realities, and can be dealt with through enjoying the remaining five percent for all it is worth and developing an active imaginative life. K. Schneider opinions mine alone (but you can rent them for a reasonable rate) From carney at sequent.com Mon Aug 11 15:45:00 1997 From: carney at sequent.com (Brian Carney (carney)) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Whoooo are you? Message-ID: <33EF6C03@ushqgw.sequent.com> We designed one solution to this problem, implemented in the digital library that is the center of our corporate Intranet. Pages include a 'pageinfo' button at the top which displays the name of the person who published the page, date and time of last update, content owner, etc. Use this information to identify the team that built the page, and thus you can know where you are. However, this required a technical approach to metadata capture/organization/use which isn't part of the usual Web server. BC Brian Carney Knowledge Officer / American Operations Sequent Computer Systems carney@sequent.com ---------- From: web4lib To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Whoooo are you? Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 12:31PM said the caterpillar to Alice...just had occasion to drop into many of the electronic reference forms which were posted here a few weeks ago. Know what? In many (most?) you have NO idea what library you are in until you back out at least one, if not two pages/levels. Reminder: we should all parachute into the middle of our sites sometimes and see if it is clear whose site it is?? ..and now I'm off to check all my pages!! for proper identification (uh-oh). From narnett at verity.com Mon Aug 11 16:17:02 1997 From: narnett at verity.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Wanted: Gov't info on Web in need of agents, searchability Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970811201702.00f9b8d0@corpmail.verity.com> Verity is looking to create a new demonstration of our products. Do you know of sources of information on the Web that would benefit from a specialized agent and search resource? We need to show off our knowledgebases, search and agent technologies. The best way to do this is with real, "live" information, ideally something that is fairly large and changes fairly rapidly... and is free. Is there a government resource that would be substantially more useful to you if it were more accurately searchable and you could monitor it with true concept-based agents? As a product demonstration, Verity plans to make whatever we choose freely available on the Web. Please send me any suggestions Nick Product Manager, Categorization and Visualization Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com http://www.verity.com From hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU Mon Aug 11 16:19:31 1997 From: hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (Steve Hooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970811162040.0f2feacc@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> Thought I was looking at an in-house message for a second. Our network administrator is going private-sector, too, and leaving us in a real pickle as we scramble to get on top of all his responsibilities. Good cybergeeks are hard to find (by good I mean non-caustic and user-friendly) and we'll miss him, but it goes back to the 'Reference' thing we've been discussing: he wasn't a librarian by profession and his actual profession came knocking on his door, saying 'you're getting behind in your training; move up!' Actual Librarians with this kind of skill are at the top of the totem pole in this profession, with both the library skills and the tech knowledge to draw on. My best advice for all is to be unashamed about not knowing the answers. We're not expected to KNOW the boiling point of uranium, just where to look up the information on boiling points. When technical stuff is your problem, look up a technical person to fix it. Or do what I do: find a small child and ask him or her, since they all seem to be Unix hackers by the third grade today....... >Our library just lost an excellent computer support person to the >private sector. It is the latest twist in an already volatile situation. > >Reference librarians have good reason to be reluctant to do more >than learn to boot the system and fix the different printers. Our >Reference staff must master and retain search strategies for our >networked library system, multiple cd-rom databases, and Dialog. >Try doing that with a technologically-sophisticated scientist standing >over you. > >Just booting up all the different pcs with this stuff on them >in the morning is a stress point for the Reference staff. >The rest of us back here in Tech. Services are trying to lie >low and avoid being drafted to serve on the desk. But that time >looms inevitably as we lose staff and don't replace them. > >One wonders what profit there is for anyone in a burned-out, demoralized staff? >Diane M. Lewis, Serial Records Librarian >& Exchange Librarian >U.S. Geological Survey Library >National Center--MS 950 >Reston, Virginia 20192 >(703)648-4399 >dilewis@igsrglib01.usgs.gov > >"Whatever the cost of our libraries, >the price is cheap compared to an >ignorant nation."--Walter Cronkite. > >With gratitude to those who gave their lives so that >we might speak freely, the ideas and opinions expressed >herein are mine alone. > > *+============================* | Stephen S. Hooley | Statesboro Ga | Romulan Tech Assistant | Home of the | Henderson Library | Statesboro |"It's Only a Job Description"| Blues | Georgia Southern University |www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/hooleyss +=============================+ More than any time in history, mankind now faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly. -- Woody Allen From mheong at hawaii.edu Mon Aug 11 17:01:33 1997 From: mheong at hawaii.edu (Marlene M Ah Heong) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Getting off listserv Message-ID: I inadvertantly deleted the instructions on how to remove myself from this listserv. Please advise me on the message that needs to be sent and to whom in order to end my subscription to web4lib. Thank you very much. Marlene M. Ah Heong From kloceka1 at metronet.lib.mi.us Mon Aug 11 17:46:36 1997 From: kloceka1 at metronet.lib.mi.us (Klocek, Angela - Canton) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: WEB4LIB digest 748 In-Reply-To: <9708091630.AA01132@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: -Angela R. Klocek On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 web4lib@library.berkeley.edu wrote: > Topic No. 3 > 1. What if you come from a large library that requires you only to do > Reference Searching? > You have a systems person on duty to rely on. I work reference for a "small" city library, and perform *MINOR* troubleshooting (nothing too major). When I can't figure it out, I call the tech department for our cooperative. I also work circulation at a "large" library. At this library, we have a tech support within the library to perform troubleshooting tasks. I do believe (although I could be mistaking) the reference staff do try and fix the terminals. When they can't, they contact the tech support as well. >From this standpoint, I do believe that Reference Staff should know how to do minor troubleshooting (ie what to do when a patron locks up the terminal). It's beneficial both to the library [patrons] and themself. As for the question below, not everyone is mechanically inclined (just like some of us are "not directional inclined"). They should be able to ask a coworker for help to check on the problem (coworker = reference staff) before telling the tech support. Not everyone is going to be good at everything all the time. Just my .02 :} > 2. What if you have a Reference Librarian who "just is not > mechanically inclined"? > I should clarify this question by saying this person gets upset > when a >C prompt appears on the screen. > Please feel free to reply to the list. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Mon Aug 11 18:51:26 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections -Reply Message-ID: >>> Alan Withoff 08/11/97 01:22pm >>> > I wonder about the level of reference service when I'm spending so >much of my time re-booting > computers, reinstalling printers, ..... > > Sally Jaeger Sounds like a call for....NETWORK COMPUTER!! -- Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us I've yet to see ANY serious reason to believe that a network computer will fix any of the above. They can lock up, there'll still be paperjams, instruction for the patrons, etc. It MAY transfer some of the load of such things to the "techie in the back room", but even with three of us in this library, we sure aren't here all 92 hours a week the library is open, nor do we have any desire to be. As to NCs solving the problems of the world, don't count on it. I've yet to see an application for them outside of computer labs and large data entry or telephone support shops. In fact, we're moving more of our applications off of the network onto local machines as local machines improve. Why burden the network, or the server, running a word processor or spreadsheet off the network if you can do it locally? dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 11 19:05:01 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Information Message-ID: Since we have had a recent flurry of desperate cries for assistance in getting off this discussion, it seems to be that time again. Every scrap of information I have in my possession regarding this discussion is either at the following address or linked from there: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ This includes a complete command reference, including how to get off the list, how to resume postponed mail, and how to tie your shoes (well, ok, I guess that isn't there...yet). Since I'm already boring you with administrative details, I may as well do a thorough job of it and remind you that if you suddenly find yourself no longer receiving the pearls of wisdom that come from this list on a regular basis, please let me know. I regularly remove individuals whose email address is repeatedly bouncing email. This can result in perfectly innocent individuals being railroaded off the list against their will. The circumstances under which this can occur, and the sometimes painful and always entertaining ways in which it can be rectified are explained in excruciating detail in the Web4Lib Troubleshooting Guide at http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html Now back to our regular programming... Roy Tennant Web4Lib Tyrant From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Mon Aug 11 19:01:59 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Whoooo are you? -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Brian Carney (carney)" 08/11/97 02:26pm >>> We designed one solution to this problem, implemented in the digital library that is the center of our corporate Intranet. Pages include a 'pageinfo' button at the top which displays the name of the person who published the page, date and time of last update, content owner, etc. Use this information to identify the team that built the page, and thus you can know where you are. However, this required a technical approach to metadata capture/organization/use which isn't part of the usual Web server. ------------------ This is an important issue, and you've found one of the many solutions. We happen to use a lower tech one. Some use frames for that purpose. We just have a "boilerplate footer" which I give a copy of to all who are creating page content. They change the name and mailto to theirs, and then drop in to the bottom of every page. It includes snailmail address for library, phone number, name and mailto for the person responsible for the page, time and date last updated, and counters for each day and total since first creation. Of course anyone who doesn't want all that can do a more minimalist solution. I'm now working on redoing that boilerplate and tightening up the layout. Someday I'll get someone working on web pages that is "more of a design professional", which I'd never claim to be. I'm also hoping our folks will finally agree on a more consistent look and feel. Since I can't force anyone to do anything, implementation isn't totally consistent. In fact, I need to add it to some of my older pages as well. You can find examples of our method at http://library.idbsu.edu/ and many pages thereunder. dan From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Mon Aug 11 20:48:59 1997 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Duration of web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was a brief discussion a while back about the life of the "average" web page. I ran across an article by David Brake titled "Lost in Cyberspace" in The New Scientist that included the following: "Maintaining the quality of a search engine's index is made especially difficult by the Web's volatility. A random sampling of pages on 2000 sites over three months in 1995, carried out by two US universities as part of research into a new indexing system, indicated that the average time a page of text remained unchanged on the Web was just 75 days. A substantial percentage changed every 10 days or less. Sometimes pages disappeared entirely, but more often the information they contained was simply updated, or the page was moved to a different address." The entire article, including hyperlink to the cited research, is at: http://www.newscientist.com/keysites/networld/lost.html Marc W. Davis davis@revelation.unomaha.edu Manager/Building Services 402/554-3745 University Library fax 402/554-3215 University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 68182-0237 From sbarb at pacbell.net Mon Aug 11 22:21:58 1997 From: sbarb at pacbell.net (Susan D. Barb) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:13 2005 Subject: Reference service and computers--further reflections References: Message-ID: <33EFC8C5.E89FB38A@pacbell.net> I have been lurking on this list for several months now and have gathered invaluable information on a variety of topics. Finally there is one on which I feel somewhat qualified to post. I am currently the "techie" librarian on the reference staff of a public library serving a population of 125,000. Technology in the form of a small CD-ROM LAN entered the library tow years ago and this year saw the advent of our single internet access station. None of the reference staff knew much more than how to log on via dumb terminals to our host computer for the online catalog. As the only staff member who had invested personal time in learning to troubleshoot both hardware and software, I became what is essentially a subject specialist. The result is a reference staff who can handle minor problems with the hardware and software on a regular basis and a "specialist" who can be called for consultation on more complex problems or information. I get called frequently not just to fix the computer, but to do more specialized training of a patron who needs more in depth knowledge than just how to access the basic resources. We have similar arrangements for various other subject specialties such as local history, mysteries, art and antiques, literature etc. This method works very well for us. We are a relatively small staff and not everyone can know everything. We all know the basics and we refer to the specialist when necessary. I will admit that this may change when we open our new Information Technology Center with 18 networked pc's with integrated access to all our electronic resources, but at least I have been allowed to hire a part time librarian with excellent technology skills to help out. Susan Barb Electronic Resources Librarian Orange Public Library Orange, CA 92866 sbarb@pacbell.net From VTHOMPSON at gw.uscs.edu Tue Aug 12 08:17:10 1997 From: VTHOMPSON at gw.uscs.edu (Vicki Thompson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Charging for Printing Message-ID: I was going to wait until I chose a particular system, but I will be happy to share companies that were submitted. I am still in the process of contacting companies. However, here is the list: I am having this particular company come in for a demo. NETWORK PRINTER SOLUTIONS 8100 Lomo Alot Suite 201 Dallas, TX 75225 214-691-8100 ITC 5686 Creekside Ct. Norcross, GA 90092 770-368-1187 IKON OFFICE SOLUTIONS 1-800-440-9195 (called several times-finally got through-was promised info.-never received) COPICO 55 North St. P.O. Box 340 Canton, MA 02021 1-800-726-COPY TRACSystems 5635 Yale Boulevard Dallas, TX 75206 214-369-6576 HARCO INDUSTRIES, INC. 2362 West Shangri-La Road Phonenix AZ 85029 1-800-528-0465 COPI CARD 12900 Valley Branch Ln. Suite 400 Dallas, TX 75234 I'll let you know what system we finally go with and how it is working. Thanks!! Vicki Thompson, Systems Librarian USC Spartanburg Library 800 University Way Spartanburg, SC 29303 vthompson@gw.uscs.edu From harker at medcat.library.swmed.edu Tue Aug 12 09:46:38 1997 From: harker at medcat.library.swmed.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Roger, Two-Ten, and Out: Access and Display of Abbreviated Journal Titles In OPACs In-Reply-To: <9708111715.AA31769@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: I am not too terribly familiar with the variety of OPACs, but I believe that we can search by abbreviated serial title in the Words & Phrases function of SIRSI's package. However, there have been instances when this function did not perform well, but maybe I just was not using it correctly. I believe it is very useful in the academic medical setting here. Often, the abbreviated title is all the client has. Being able to search by this saves the step of guessing or looking up the full title. Karen R. Harker On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Gerry McKiernan wrote: > Roger, Two-Ten, and Out: > Access and Display of Abbreviated Journal Titles > In OPACs > > For my other ever-ending review of Data Mining and > Knowledge Discovery in Database (KDD) [which I am > interpreting technically as well as theoretically, > philosophically and in practice], I am interesting in > learning about online public access systems (e.g > OPACs) that offer users the ability to search and/or > browse/scan journal title abbreviations in the local > OPAC. I have identified one OPAC and one paper > relating to this functionality. The paper is by > Kathleen Pratt who describes the LANL OPAC in her > spine-tingling [:->] article > > "Accessing abbreviated journal titles in the online > catalog at Los Alamos National Laboratory" _Serials Review_ > v .22 (Summer 1996): 57-59. [Our copy of this issue is > currently on vacation, so I have not been able to read it {:->] > However .... > > If one, [if one?], accesses the LANL OPAC and > browses the title field with an abbreviated journal title > (e.g. Ser Rev) one finds the abbreviated title listed > alphabetically in order with other 'SER' titles. Please > find below a (modified) screen shot for > > Sequential test procedures for detecting protracted materials losses (1) > Sequential tests of statistical hypotheses (1) > Sequential trigger procedure for use in monitoring nuclear power plant > The sequestration of metals; theoretical considerations and practical > Sequoyah Unit 1 Charge Converter Examination Results (1) > >>> SER. REV (1) > Seramikku detabukku '86 (1) > SERBER SAYS ABOUT HIGH ENERGY PROCESSES AND NUCLEAR FORCES (1) > SERBER SAYS ABOUT MESOTRONS (1) > Serber-Wilson method formulae and computation methods (1) > SerboCroatian-English dictionary (1) > > I am particularly interested in: > > A> Existing or Current Vendor plans for this functionality > and > B> Personal and/or Professional Views on the Value > and Usefulness of the functionality! > > BTW: The Two-Ten above refers to the MARC 210 field. > With regards to abbreviations in general, I'd recommend > that these be ISO and/or ANSI and that there be the > ability to add additional standard abbreviations [e.g > those established and accepted by an professional society > or an abstracting and indexing service] in additional > 210 fields] > > Citations to any and all related work would also be > of great interest! > > Thanks ! > > Regards, > > Gerry McKiernan > Curator, CyberStacks(sm) > Iowa State University > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ > > "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" > Attributed to Peter Drucker > ".....Want to know the rest, hey, buy the rights." - OMC ****************************************************************************** Karen R. Harker 214-648-2001 Librarian I 214-648-3007 (fax) The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, Texas 75235-9049 harker@medcat.library.swmed.edu ***************************************************************************** From ych at ican.net Tue Aug 12 12:50:01 1997 From: ych at ican.net (York County Hospital) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: summary copying files Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970812095001.006ae4f8@ican.net> As requested by subscribers here is a compilation of responses received for the query on how to copy files larger that 1.4 megabytes from hard drive to 1.4 megabyte floppy disk: - zip your file. That compresses the data and enables you to store more information on the same amount of space. You can use Winzip or Pkzip to do this - use windows 95 (or Windows 3.1 etc) backup program or buy one of several other backup utilities or create double-space (or drivespace) floppies, and/or compress the file before copying using programs like Pkzip (available for downloading on the Web - depending on the size of the files you could either compress them with something like WinZip or split them across several diskettes with FileSplit. Both these shareware apps can be found at http://www.download.com - zip the files using Pkzip or any other shareware, freeware program. There was also a tool called "Splice" that I have used for several years that does not compress files. I don't know if it's still available for downloading anywhere... (try http://www.shareware.com) - you still need a utility called Pkzip or Winzip. This will allow you to compress the file so that it will fit on the disk or allow you to save it across multiple disks - use a compression utility program such as Pkzip or WinZip (download at http://www.tucows.phoenix.net - try Winzip at http://www.winzip.com (a compression program that allows disk spanning, backing up files larger than 1.4M on multiple floppies) - if you still have a little DOS partition on your source and destination computers I have an old solution for you. To transfer large files its better to wire them with 3 cables: TxD, RxD and Ground. But it is not possible to make an inter-host compatible copy on floppy with data greater than those1.44MB - if the hard drive computer is a unix machine you can use the "split" command to divide the files in parts <1.4 MB and to reunite the parts on the PC you use the copy ... + ... command. If you have at least access to a unix computer you can copy the large file by ftp (binary) to that machine and "split" it there - if you can decode the attachment it's a set of Zipping programs that can be used to compress and decompress files. There's a windows version, winzip but these are the original DOS file crunchers. Put the file in your root directory and execute it; it will produce a set of EXE files including PKzip and PKunzip. To shrink a file called MYFILE.TXT onto the a: disk you would say PKZIP A:MYZIP C:\MYFILE.TXT and get a file on the a: drive called MYZIP.ZIP. To use the zip file you have to put it back on a hard drive and PKUNZIP MYZIP C:\DIRECTORY. PKzip is shareware but worth the $ - see if it or WinZIP is what you need. - File Splitter is a very useful utility for anyone who frequently needs to copy large files or programs onto floppy disks. The program offers a fast and accurate method of dividing large files into smaller more manageable file sizes that you can copy to floppy disks. In use, you need only select the specific file to be split and specify the number of pieces you desire. The program then divides the file into sections you indicated. A reassemble option permits you to rejoin divided files to recreate the original, large file or program. File Splitter will allow you to divide any file into up to as many as 99 separate sections. This version is a maintenance update that adds an automatic reassembly feature and a disk space checker. It is a shareware, free to try, $6.95. If you decide to keep it requirements Windows 95. URL http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?link=1&fcode=00 0FMV - Stuffit for MAC can split and rejoin files quite well. Also the files compressed to begin with? If not you probably can compress them and then transfer them to floppies - Two ways: compress the file down to under 1.44Mg using WinZip or some other similar program. Split the file into separate less-than-1.44Mg "sub"-files and copy each of those onto separate floppies. - There are also utilities that allow you to format floppies greater than 1.44MB. One that I know of is the SAB Diskette Utility available through ZDNet's Software Library. There are others around too. Using a combination of zip files and these super-formated diskettes, you can fit quite a lot. Thanks to: Jerry Kuntz, Jacques Presseault, Gilles Poitras,Anand T B, Stephen Hooley, Dena Lahue, Charles Anderson, Mark Ellis, Linda Woods Hyman, Glen Davies, Elisa Miller, Alan Withoff,, Werner Schultheiss, Johannes Stegmann kathy dedrick york county hospital health sciences library newmarket,ontario ych@ican.net From jbspence at ocean.st.usm.edu Tue Aug 12 10:39:38 1997 From: jbspence at ocean.st.usm.edu (Jay Barton Spencer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: size of windows icons Message-ID: Hello, I've got a question that I hope someone can help me with. It may be a request that is impossible, but I want to be sure. In our library, both in the public services areas and in the training rooms, we are enabling a new web-based gateway to all of our networked resources. The icons on our Windows NT machines are as small as windows icons have always been, and are somewhat hard to see for patrons who are unfamiliar with things. What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, which better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find a way to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make Windows NT allow larger icons to appear on the screen? Thanks! Barton Spencer Information Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi From jbauman at nslsilus.ORG Tue Aug 12 12:42:08 1997 From: jbauman at nslsilus.ORG (jbauman@nslsilus.ORG) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems Message-ID: <33F09260.55CE@nslsilus.org> We have problems with Netscape 3.0 on both Win 95 and Win 3.1 printing to non-networked DeskJet 600 printers. Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with another solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for this is the Social Security Death Index http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm Problem #2: Some pages, and I haven't been able to determine a common thread, will not print on the DeskJet 600 series printers. A message appears about a printer driver problem or a GPF that points to the printer. The page will print fine on a Panasonic KX-P3124 dot matrix printer. I believe we do have the most recent printer drivers available. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. **************************************** Jennifer Baumann Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian Highland Park Public Library 494 Laurel Ave. Highland Park, IL 60035 PH (847) 432-0216 FX (847) 432-9139 jbauman@nslsilus.org From sbero at rolling-meadows.lib.il.us Tue Aug 12 12:10:23 1997 From: sbero at rolling-meadows.lib.il.us (Stephen Bero) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Skills for Reference staff -- reflections Message-ID: <16045265606914@rolling-meadows.lib.il.us> Libraries today are an amalgamation of library science and computer science -- and the two are separate disciplines requiring their own specialists. My hat's off to those who are both librarians and computer technicians; they are dual professionals like doctors who are also lawyers. But librarians should not be required to be computer technicians. If in-depth computer technical skill becomes a requirement for librarianship, then we will lose many good librarians who have to offer only their valuable skills as organizers and retrievers of useful information. Without a doubt, a basic working knowledge of the applications and hardware used are indispensable to any librarian who wishes to excel at his job. But more importantly a reference librarian who seeks to provide excellent service to his patrons should know EVERY book, journal, and microform in his library's reference collection: why that item was selected and what it can do to answer patrons' queries. In addition, such a librarian should keep up with the most useful machine-readable resources for reference-- CD-ROMs, online databases, and Websites -- and should be adept in using search engines. But who has time to devote to building this knowledge base, to poring over the index of that new encyclopedia, to learning the ins and outs of Altavista's new interface, when a significant portion of his service day is spent troubleshooting the computers? Removing paper jams and helping our patrons with their word processing are by no means beneath us and will be a part of our job at the reference desk. Our jobs are also easier when we are conversant enough in computer lingo to make our needs understood by the techies. My point is that we should minimize those other parts of our job that are nonessential and maximize the amount of time available to do what ONLY WE as reference librarians can do, that is, develop and organize our collections, give instruction in library resources, provide subject pathfinders, and hone our skills at answering reference queries. How do we maximize this time for our essential tasks? By requesting of our directors and trustees that when they budget for computers they need also to budget for technical support staff and not beleaguer librarians with tasks beyond their purview. Just as there are custodians to maintain the library's physical plant, i.e. the building, there need to be custodians to maintain the library's virtual plant, i.e., the computers. Librarians are not custodians, whether physical or virtual. Stephen P. Bero Reference and Technology Resources Librarian Rolling Meadows Library 3110 Martin Lane Rolling Meadows, Illinois 60008-2698 Vox 847-259-6050 ext.137 FAX 847-259-5319 WWW http://www.rolling-meadows.lib.il.us/ "Some see the glass as half-empty, some see the glass as half-full. I see the glass as too big." - George Carlin From jgriffit at frontier.net Tue Aug 12 12:13:19 1997 From: jgriffit at frontier.net (Judith Murray Griffiths) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems In-Reply-To: <33F09260.55CE@nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970812101319.007e47c0@frontier.net> Jennifer, Just the other day I repeatedly got the message "Document Contains No Data." What I was doing wrong was trying to print before the Web page had completely loaded. When I waited, it printed fine. At 08:26 AM 8/12/97 -0700, jbauman@nslsilus.ORG wrote: >We have problems with Netscape 3.0 on both Win 95 and Win 3.1 printing >to >non-networked DeskJet 600 printers. > >Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This >problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are >generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as >HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with another >solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you >with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for this >is the Social Security Death Index >http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm > >Problem #2: Some pages, and I haven't been able to determine a common >thread, will not print on the DeskJet 600 series printers. A message >appears about a printer driver problem or a GPF that points to the >printer. The page will print fine on a Panasonic KX-P3124 dot matrix >printer. I believe we do have the most recent printer drivers available. > >Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. > >**************************************** >Jennifer Baumann >Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian >Highland Park Public Library >494 Laurel Ave. >Highland Park, IL 60035 >PH (847) 432-0216 >FX (847) 432-9139 >jbauman@nslsilus.org > _________________________________ Judith Murrray Griffiths Southwest Regional Library System Durango, CO _________________________________ "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be." Kurt Vonnegut From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Tue Aug 12 12:58:53 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Skills for Reference staff -- reflections In-Reply-To: <16045265606914@rolling-meadows.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970812115853.007a9870@vms.csd.mu.edu> This is an interesting discussion and I'd thought I'd add my 2 cents, for what it's worth. Perhaps, in turn, those systems folks who don't have an MLS or library experience, should be expected to know or learn a little bit about how libraries are organized, cataloging practices & MARC. In my experience, it's been a mixed bag in terms of how much awareness the 'techies' have about the basic tenets of librarianship and bibliographic organization. Imagine working (as in a previous place of employment) in a library where the systems 'librarian' doesn't have a clue about MARC and what all those tags mean. Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From walderan at oplin.lib.oh.us Tue Aug 12 13:11:26 1997 From: walderan at oplin.lib.oh.us (Toni Walder) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Public PC Printers Message-ID: <33F0993E.15A3@oplin.lib.oh.us> Now that we're offering fulltext databases on our public PC's )Dynix and the Web) our old, reliable and wonderful HP Thinkjets just don't cut it. They are painfully slow. Does anybody have the 90's version of this wonderful old workhorse? I'd be thrilled if it had a tractor feed, small footprint, inexpensive ink cartridges, or any of the above. Thanks in advance! -- Toni Walder (walderan@oplin.lib.oh.us) Wright Memorial Public Library, 1776 Far Hills Ave, Dayton OH 45419 937-294-8572 (voice), 937-294-8578 (fax) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C Clarke From nsagi at interchange.org Tue Aug 12 13:24:50 1997 From: nsagi at interchange.org (vernard r gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: "Things That Work" Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970812132447.007a6280@interchange.org> The Exchange Board for "Things That Work" As a community, we're continuously challenged to such a point that I believe we've lost our spirit. We don't seem to know which way to go.........Overwhelmed by the complexities of "modern day living". I believe it's time to move forward employing techniques for problem solving that our ancestors used in simpler times. Reach back and connect with those ancient spirits and bring into your consciousness simple approaches to complex problems. And "SHARE" your ideas with the rest of us in this threaded discussion. http://www.InterCHANGE.org/wwwboard.html peace, vrg From NDGMTLCD at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA Tue Aug 12 14:01:34 1997 From: NDGMTLCD at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA (Alain Vaillancourt) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: size of windows icons Message-ID: <199708121812.OAA17248@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> If you have an answer to Barton Spencer's request please post it to the list. I too would be interested in ways to go around the Windows size limitations eventually, since I am currently planning ahead for the practical aspects of prototypes for my future PhD research. Some of it involves the standard 16, 32 and 48 (if you have Microsoft Plus) pixel icons, of course, but it should deal with larger ones, possibly. Au revoir Alain Vaillancourt > Hello, > I've got a question that I hope someone can help me with. It may be a > request that is impossible, but I want to be sure. > In our library, both in the public services areas and in the training > rooms, we are enabling a new web-based gateway to all of our networked > resources. The icons on our Windows NT machines are as small as windows > icons have always been, and are somewhat hard to see for patrons who are > unfamiliar with things. > What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, which > better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find a way > to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons > normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make Windows NT > allow larger icons to appear on the screen? > Thanks! > Barton Spencer > Information Services Librarian > University of Southern Mississippi From bo at sonoma.lib.ca.us Tue Aug 5 14:25:27 1997 From: bo at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Bo Simons) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Browser use statistics Message-ID: <33E77017.2C7D@sonoma.lib.ca.us> To put a little different spin on this, consider these numbers. They seem to say: most of our users use Lynx, because that's what there is. We had 69% of the poeple accessing our homepage did so from a Lynx browser. For July, 1997, we had 7,905 Lynx browser logins. These are from the appromimately 200 public and staff terminals and PCs in 13 branches. During the same time we had 3,517 hits on our home page from either inhouse PC's or from the Internet. These we have not broken down to types of browsers, but I imagine that most of them are full graphic browsers, probably mirroring the stats from the other respondents, Netscape splitting the large slices of pie with IE, Lynx coming in about 1%. To our regular telnet catalog we had 11,777 combined dialins and logins duing this same period. We are a public library, and we have had Lynx as our primary in-house browser. It is available as a menu choice on our PACS. We currently have only 3 of our 13 branches with -- Bo Simons bo@sonoma.lib.ca.us Third and E Streets Internet Librarian Santa Rosa, CA 95404 Sonoma County Internet Branch Library Tel 707-545-0831 ext 525 http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us Fax 707-575-0437 From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Tue Aug 12 16:24:54 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: size of windows icons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Jay Barton Spencer wrote: > ... > What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, which > better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find a way > to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons > normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make Windows NT > allow larger icons to appear on the screen? Some loose thoughts on the subject: Many libraries are using web pages for this purpose. A browser comes up on startup, pointing to a web page with a custom graphic with several hotlink areas. Furthermore, Internet Explorer 4 (still in beta, I think) couples into Windows more tightly, and the desktop takes on more aspects of the browser page. Thus I think you can see Microsoft's direction here -- integrating the two. Maybe you're just a little ahead of your time :-) Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From flevin at comp.uark.edu Tue Aug 12 20:48:21 1997 From: flevin at comp.uark.edu (Fran Levin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Public PC Printers Message-ID: <199708130051.TAA21346@comp.uark.edu> If you find one, let me know. ---------- > From: Toni Walder > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Public PC Printers > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 1:08 PM > > Now that we're offering fulltext databases on our public PC's )Dynix and > the Web) our old, reliable and wonderful HP Thinkjets just don't cut it. > They are painfully slow. > > Does anybody have the 90's version of this wonderful old workhorse? I'd > be thrilled if it had a tractor feed, small footprint, inexpensive ink > cartridges, or any of the above. > > Thanks in advance! > -- > Toni Walder (walderan@oplin.lib.oh.us) > Wright Memorial Public Library, 1776 Far Hills Ave, Dayton OH 45419 > 937-294-8572 (voice), 937-294-8578 (fax) > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." > Arthur C Clarke From kayt at gsb.usyd.edu.au Tue Aug 12 21:40:29 1997 From: kayt at gsb.usyd.edu.au (Kay Tucker) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems References: <33F09260.55CE@nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <33F1108D.5016@gsb.usyd.edu.au> Jennifer, This may not be the answer to your particular problem, but I've noticed sometimes when printing from Netscape 3.0, that you get the same message "No pages to print" if the scroll bar is not right at the top of the page. When I've taken the scroll bar to the top, I've been able to print. Cheers, Kay Tucker Internet/Cataloguing Librarian The Graduate School of Business The University of Sydney jbauman@nslsilus.ORG wrote: > > We have problems with Netscape 3.0 on both Win 95 and Win 3.1 printing > to > non-networked DeskJet 600 printers. > > Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This > problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are > generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as > HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with another > solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you > with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for this > is the Social Security Death Index > http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm > > Problem #2: Some pages, and I haven't been able to determine a common > thread, will not print on the DeskJet 600 series printers. A message > appears about a printer driver problem or a GPF that points to the > printer. The page will print fine on a Panasonic KX-P3124 dot matrix > printer. I believe we do have the most recent printer drivers available. > > Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. > > **************************************** > Jennifer Baumann > Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian > Highland Park Public Library > 494 Laurel Ave. > Highland Park, IL 60035 > PH (847) 432-0216 > FX (847) 432-9139 > jbauman@nslsilus.org From knm at uss.net Tue Aug 12 22:29:05 1997 From: knm at uss.net (Katrina N. Magnuson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems References: <3.0.1.32.19970812101319.007e47c0@frontier.net> Message-ID: <33F11BF1.6F7F940D@uss.net> Judith Murray Griffiths wrote: > > Jennifer, > > Just the other day I repeatedly got the message "Document Contains No > Data." What I was doing wrong was trying to print before the Web page > had > completely loaded. When I waited, it printed fine. > Of course, the problem is that many of today's pages are _never_ finished loading, what with all the animated graphics and such. I've also run into this problem, and a couple of solutions that work _some_ of the time are: -printing the page from the print preview function -turning the graphics off, loading the page, then the needed graphics (if any), then printing (this one usually works well with those pages that tend to come out of your printer looking like hieroglyphics, one line at a time over 40 pages.) Part of the problem is that we are trying to print a document that is not _really_ a static document. A page with calls back to its server for animated graphics objects, java applets, frames, and all the other bells and whistles, just doesn't translate all that well into a printed document. Kinda like trying to photocopy a page out of a pop-up book, or a globe. -- Katrina N. Magnuson, Technical Support Librarian Gardner, Carton & Douglas 321 N. Clark, Suite 3200, Chicago, IL 60610 phone: 312-245-8871 fax: 312-644-3381 email: kmagnuson@gcd.com -or- katrina@anet-chi.com From tammyf at iosys.net Tue Aug 12 23:10:13 1997 From: tammyf at iosys.net (TR Freund) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:17 2005 Subject: Mailto link problem Message-ID: <33F12594.F44@iosys.net> Hi everyone, I just ran across a problem that maybe someone on this list could help me with. We are in the process of getting our library web site up and on one of the pages we have a mailto link. Our institution's email addresses have question marks in the username between the last name and first inital (freund?t@mptc.tec.wi.us) When you click on the mailto link, the new message window pops up but the email address in the to: line is truncated after the question mark. Hence all that appears is the freund and nothing else. The problem seems to be specific to the Netscape browser as it works fine with IE. Has anyone out there experience this? Does anyone know a solution to fix this problem? Thanks!! -- Tammy R. Freund mailto:tammyf@iosys.net "I presume no introductions are necessary." Lestat, Interview with a Vampire. The Movie. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Aug 13 07:41:58 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:19 2005 Subject: Mailto link problem Message-ID: <199708131144.HAA18161@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> I don't believe there will be a fix forthcoming from Netscape on this; their browser is broken as designed. They have made a point of supporting their own, non-standard format for mailto URLs: "mailto:person@host?subject of message". A more common problem is that people write mailto links for Netscape, creating illegal e-mail addresses that break other browsers or mail programs. I've seen offered as a non-proprietary substitute. While Lynx is the only browser I have which supports this, at least it won't break any other browser or mail client. Your better bet is probably to explain the problem to your mail administrators, ask them why they wanted question marks in your addresses in the first place, and request addresses without them. Other sites manage to create addresses like "freund.t", "freund_t", or even "tammy" without problems. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu -----Original Message----- From: TR Freund To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 11:38 PM Subject: Mailto link problem >Hi everyone, >I just ran across a problem that maybe someone on this list could help >me with. We are in the process of getting our library web site up and >on one of the pages we have a mailto link. Our institution's email >addresses have question marks in the username between the last name and >first inital (freund?t@mptc.tec.wi.us) When you click on the mailto >link, the new message window pops up but the email address in the to: >line is truncated after the question mark. Hence all that appears is >the freund and nothing else. The problem seems to be specific to the >Netscape browser as it works fine with IE. Has anyone out there >experience this? Does anyone know a solution to fix this problem? >Thanks!! >-- >Tammy R. Freund >mailto:tammyf@iosys.net > >"I presume no introductions are necessary." >Lestat, Interview with a Vampire. The Movie. > > From ebro at loc.gov Wed Aug 13 09:52:29 1997 From: ebro at loc.gov (Elizabeth L. Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: LC Ditital Library Comptetition 1997-98 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970813095419.2527d116@rs8.loc.gov> Sent to multiple lists. Please forgive the duplication. LIBRARY OF CONGRESS PRESS RELEASE Contact: Guy Lamolinara, Library of Congress (202) 707-9217 Crystal Ashton, Ameritech Library Services (801) 223-5330 GUIDELINES FOR 1997-98 LIBRARY OF CONGRESS/AMERITECH NATIONAL DIGITAL LIBRARY COMPETITION NOW AVAILABLE The Library of Congress/Ameritech National Digital Library Competition Guidelines for 1997-98 are now available. The Guidelines may be used by any nonfederal, tax-exempt, nonprofit (501(c) 3) cultural repository in the United States holding primary sources suitable for digitizing and making available on the Internet. To order, view or download the Guidelines, visit the competition's Web site at http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/award/. With a $2 million gift from Ameritech, the Library of Congress is sponsoring a competition to enable public, research and academic libraries, museums, historical societies and archival institutions (except federal institutions) to create digital collections of primary resources. These digital collections will complement and enhance the collections made available on the Internet by the National Digital Library Program at the Library of Congress. The National Digital Library is envisioned as a distributed collection of converted library materials and digital originals to which many American institutions will contribute. The Library of Congress's contribution to this World Wide Web-based virtual library is called American Memory. This is the second year of the competition; 10 institutions received awards last April in the first round of the program. For this competition cycle, applications will be limited to collections of textual and graphic materials that illuminate United States history and culture during the period 1763-1920. Submission of proposals for collections with the following subject emphases is encouraged, although others are welcome: History of popular culture -- for example, personal accounts or contemporary histories of sports or games; popular literature and entertainment; travel and tourism; fashion, dress, and design; culinary arts and leisure activities of broad national interest that have affected people's daily lives and contemporary customs. History of political, social and cultural institutions -- for example, records and commentaries recounting the development of political movements and parties; personal papers of figures who played a leading role in the development of governmental institutions, such as the incorporation of new territories and regions into the United States; the records of people and institutions that helped to shape regional cultural, academic or philanthropic values; the development of industries and trades of financial institutions; and legislative and legal records relating to the rights of citizens to freedom, suffrage and equality. Applications will be evaluated by scholars, educators, administrators and technical specialists external to the Library of Congress. Evaluators for the competition will be convened by the Division of Preservation and Access of the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Council on Library and Information Resources. 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National Digital Library Program, LIBN/NDL/ES(1320) Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540-1320 ebro@loc.gov telephone: 202/707-2235 Library of Congress Learning Page: http://learning.loc.gov/learn/ _________________________________________________________ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Aug 13 09:53:06 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Mailto link problem Message-ID: <199708131355.JAA20450@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> I wrote: >...I've seen offered as a non-proprietary substitute. While Lynx is the only >browser I have which supports this, at least it won't break any other >browser or mail client. > Minor correction: NCSA Mosaic 3.0 supports this also. Remind me again, which are the advanced browsers around here? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Mark at mWilden.com Wed Aug 13 11:54:28 1997 From: Mark at mWilden.com (Mark Wilden) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Mailto link problem Message-ID: <199708131554.IAA00864@daffy.sna.com> > I don't believe there will be a fix forthcoming from Netscape on this; their > browser is broken as designed. They have made a point of supporting their > own, non-standard format for mailto URLs: "mailto:person@host?subject of > message". Internet Explorer also supports this syntax. And I've found that IE has problems with addresses containing the & character. From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Wed Aug 13 12:22:37 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World References: <199708091218.IAA00383@ncsl.ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> Message-ID: <33F1DF4D.AA0F15A0@am.appstate.edu> I will have to search the snail mail I received copies of from my father. It sounds like this group but, when you pay your $70 you choose a "gift" (my father chose a ZIP Drive which I had to pay $149 to get mine) from a list. My father described their regular catalog as having prices no better than other catalogs he had seen. Thomas Bennett Donna Humphries wrote: > ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- > > Date: Thursday, 07-Aug-97 08:18 AM > > From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: > (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us > ) > To: LIBREF-L Moderators \ Internet: > (librefed@kentvm.kent.edu) > > Subject: Fwd: Insider's Computer World > > ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- > > Date: Monday, 04-Aug-97 05:48 PM > > From: Donna Humphries \ Internet: > (dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us > ) To: listproc@library.berkeley.edu \ Internet: > (listproc@library. > berkeley.edu) > > Subject: Insider's Computer World > > Recently we have received a letter from a company called Insider's > computer > World. They offer a deal that they will sell you computers and > software > and other products at manufacturer's cost. > > According to the letter they make their profit by membership fees of $ > 69.95 > . > > Has anyone else heard of this company, Is it legit. It would be a > great > deal if it offered everything it "sounds" like it offers. > > D. Humphries dhumphri@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us Please excuse the cross > posting. > > ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- > > ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Wed Aug 13 13:24:46 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Vendor performance Message-ID: <970813132446.208348db@main.morris.org> For colleague here: has anyone developed standards for vendor performance in delivery of online products? What do you feel are essentials in your contracts? Thanks .. From GOODELD at fsa.wou.edu Wed Aug 13 14:23:01 1997 From: GOODELD at fsa.wou.edu (Dale E. Goodell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Disabling Exit from Netscape v3.01 Message-ID: <32FE3FF778A@fsa.wou.edu> We have migrated to Netscape v3.01 as our primary user interface on our library's public workstations. I would like to prevent users from exiting Netscape, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this. Our goal is to have everything consistent, so that Netscape is the only interface people see. How have other libraries solved this problem? I'm still running Windows for Workgroups v3.11; I don't plan to upgrade to Windows 95 for some time. I'm using Fortres 101 v2.51 for general Windows security, and IKIOSK v2.0 to disable many of Netscape's menu items. I plan to upgrade IKIOSK to version 2.04 within the next week or so. (I have generally been pleased with both Fortres and IKIOSK.) In my AUTOEXEC.BAT, I call Windows with the command "win \netscape.exe" to launch Netscape automatically when Windows starts. I also have a program called PrintScreen in my startup group. With my current Fortres and IKIOSK settings, if the user exits Netscape, they can't do anything else; they must either run Netscape again or re-boot the computer. In addition, I have used Fortres to prevent exiting from Windows, and I have gotten rid of Windows' TASKMAN.EXE, so they can't go to and exit other programs (in this case, PrintScreen). Using IKIOSK, I have tried to disable Netscape's File|Close and File|Exit choices, as well as being able to double- click in the upper-left corner of Netscape to exit. These measures have not disable exit from Netscape. I have also tried replacing Program Manager with Netscape as the Windows shell. This is an unacceptable solution, as Fortres 101 can't properly load, and I can't get the PrintScreen program to start. I would like to hear from others who have conquered this problem. Thank you, in advance, for any help you might be able to provide. ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell User Support Analyst Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 Internet: goodeld@fsa.wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From michael at sequent.com Wed Aug 13 14:30:46 1997 From: michael at sequent.com (Michael Squires (michael)) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Whoooo are you? -Reply Message-ID: <13B27C2124E8D01192A80000C04213F503D0DD@wembley.sequent.com> Going back to a discussion of a few months ago about the value of server-side includes, this is one of the places that SSI can pay off big time. Even if everyone can't quite agree on some of the look&feel issues within a site, if you can get a consensus that "we will have some standard 'stuff' at the top, and some other standard 'stuff' at the bottom", then you can create an initial "topstuff.html" and "botstuff.html", and have everyone just put the appropriate "#include topstuff.html" etc. on their pages. Then the content of that can evolve \without/ forcing everyone to go back and mung their pages by hand. When you add this to the approach that Brian Carney outlined (have a standard button that fetches more info about the page in question), then you've got a very powerful and flexible approach. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lester [SMTP:DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu] Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Whoooo are you? -Reply >>> "Brian Carney (carney)" 08/11/97 02:26pm >>> We designed one solution to this problem, implemented in the digital library that is the center of our corporate Intranet. Pages include a 'pageinfo' button at the top which displays the name of the person who published the page, date and time of last update, content owner, etc. Use this information to identify the team that built the page, and thus you can know where you are. However, this required a technical approach to metadata capture/organization/use which isn't part of the usual Web server. ------------------ This is an important issue, and you've found one of the many solutions. We happen to use a lower tech one. Some use frames for that purpose. We just have a "boilerplate footer" which I give a copy of to all who are creating page content. They change the name and mailto to theirs, and then drop in to the bottom of every page. It includes snailmail address for library, phone number, name and mailto for the person responsible for the page, time and date last updated, and counters for each day and total since first creation. Of course anyone who doesn't want all that can do a more minimalist solution. I'm now working on redoing that boilerplate and tightening up the layout. Someday I'll get someone working on web pages that is "more of a design professional", which I'd never claim to be. I'm also hoping our folks will finally agree on a more consistent look and feel. Since I can't force anyone to do anything, implementation isn't totally consistent. In fact, I need to add it to some of my older pages as well. You can find examples of our method at http://library.idbsu.edu/ and many pages thereunder. dan From julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us Wed Aug 13 14:57:24 1997 From: julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us (Julie James) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: size of windows icons Message-ID: <01BCA7F0.D41FE160@JULIE> > What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, which > better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find a way > to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons > normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make Windows NT > allow larger icons to appear on the screen? Our brilliant Network Guy figured this out. In NT: Control Panel - Display - Appearance then in the Item: box, select Icon You can specify the pixel width of the icon. Hope this helps! -=- Julie James julie@kcpl.lib.mo.us Internet Librarian Kansas City Public Library 311 E. 12th Street Kansas City, MO 64106 816/221-2685 x12 http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us From duda at library.ucsb.edu Wed Aug 13 16:25:40 1997 From: duda at library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: When we were first setting up our web site there was a lot of interest and enthusiasm. Creating new pages is fun! But now -- while we're still putting up new pages -- there's a need for maintenance on the old ones. Deleting dead links, trying to figure out where sites have moved to, adding the occasional new site to a list, and making sure guide and policy pages are up to date is work, not fun. Some librarians consider their subject pages to be an important part of the collection development responsibilities. Others would like to abandon the whole thing. What are other libraries doing about web maintenance? Is the person who created the page originally responsible for maintaining it, or does that responsibility fall on someone else? Do you do anything about abandoned pages? =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== From jmk at synopsys.com Wed Aug 13 16:51:15 1997 From: jmk at synopsys.com (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: <199708132051.NAA01003@marius.synopsys.com> > > What are other libraries doing about web maintenance? Is the person who > created the page originally responsible for maintaining it, or does that > responsibility fall on someone else? Do you do anything about abandoned > pages? > Andrea, I work for a corporate, but I believe any site experiences these problems where multiple people are responsible for content. We've done two things to ensure this doesn't happen. 1. All pages must contain a point of contact listing the person responsible for the page, as has been discussed here alot. No one gets linked to our main intranet page unless this is present. 2. We have a representative from each department who is a "department webmaster". Part of their job description is to keep their folks on their toes about refreshing content. We support them by using utilities such as MOMSpider to weekly generate a list of pages that have not been touched in over 90 days, and they follow up with those people. The key is, of course, that these steps don't work either unless you've convinced your organization as a whole that keeping their content up to date is a good idea. If they buy into that on a theoretical level, then we have people who are there to push them to fulfill it on a practical level. Those people, if they don't perform, are pushed by their managers, who all signed a paper in the beginning that said "Web is good, we will support". In a company of our size (~3,000 employees), spreading the responsibility for maintenance was essential for us. There are more and more site maintenance tools popping up as well, that can help you spot broken links or change references when a page moves. Adobe SiteMill comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others. -Janet From ubabiak at mail.dom.de Wed Aug 13 17:11:16 1997 From: ubabiak at mail.dom.de (Ulrich Babiak) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are sooooooo right ... I would opt that any web page of an institution should reflect a certain area of this institution's activities and therefore the task to keep pages current almost naturally falls onto the person who has to do with the subject of the page in "real life" too. That doesn't mean this person has to write code, but he/she has to notify the webmaster of changes needed. Like: human resources take care of the staff listing on the web, the PR person takes care of new announcements (and their deletion), the subject librarians maintain their respective subject pages and the webmaster acts as their dutyful aid (in webmaster's reality, you have to assign the pages to people who volunteer and keep an eye on them whether they really care for "their" pages ... and never forget to always talk about the importance of a well-maintained site during lunch break) Besides, one of my most-repeated sentences when teaching webdesign is "Don't start services you can not maintain". As opposed to writing, good web design has to keep the future in mind. And if you think about future updates while creating pages, you can avoid many pitfalls ... Bye, Ulrich Ulrich Babiak Dipl.-Netzer ;-) http://www.dom.de/FreiRaum/uli/ - ubabiak@dom.de From gen at dla.ucop.edu Wed Aug 13 17:27:40 1997 From: gen at dla.ucop.edu (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970812101319.007e47c0@frontier.net> Message-ID: > >Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This > >problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are > >generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as > >HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with another > >solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you > >with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for this My solution has been, go to Netscape 4. I've repeatedly had this problem with version 3, even on simple text files! But I've never experienced it under version 4. I have an HP LaserJet so it's definitely not just DeskJets, although it may be something to do with HP drivers (though I doubt it). Genny Engel MELVYL System User Services University of California genny.engel@ucop.edu From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Wed Aug 13 17:20:04 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: IIS/PWS 4.0b2 References: <199708111336.JAA31477@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <33F22503.FBF60A34@am.appstate.edu> I have continuously had down load problems through Microsoft's web site. If you email them they will snail mail you a Microsoft IIS evaluation kit which includes a 120 day version of NT 4.0 server for Intel[2 CDs]. Thomas Bennett Thomas Dowling wrote: > Web4Lib-- > > Has anyone successfully downloaded the beta version of either > Microsoft IIS > 4.0 or Personal Webserver 4.0? I've tried a few times over the last > month, > but (after going through the needlessly lengthy registration process) > consistently get a message that the network is too busy. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From Reeder.Norm at mail.ci.torrance.ca.us Wed Aug 13 17:31:04 1997 From: Reeder.Norm at mail.ci.torrance.ca.us (Reeder Norm) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: One of the problems we've found is that there may well be one person (me) who writes the HTML and plays some with content. But we also have Reference and Branch staff who look over and search for content. With the HTML validators now at our disposal, it's almost easier to run our pages through them for link checking, than it is for Reference staff to click each link on a page to see if its broken. We've used AOLPress to write pages and check links and it works well. There are lots of others out there. Since this one is free, you could give it to your staff to use and have them check links with it even if they aren't writing HTML. An average page takes 15 minutes or so to run though the links for us. AOLPress happens to be "what you see is what you get" as far as page design goes so they don't have to see all of the ugly HTML which they might not understand. At least you can try to make it as easy as possible to check links which is usually the most boring process. Thanks Norm Reeder Library Services Manager Torrance Public Library 3301 Torrance Blvd Torrance, CA 90503 310-618-5950 reeder.norm@mail.ci.torrance.ca.us The views expressed do not necessarily represent the views of the City of Torrance ---------- From: Andrea Duda[SMTP:duda@ariz.library.ucsb.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring When we were first setting up our web site there was a lot of interest and enthusiasm. Creating new pages is fun! But now -- while we're still putting up new pages -- there's a need for maintenance on the old ones. Deleting dead links, trying to figure out where sites have moved to, adding the occasional new site to a list, and making sure guide and policy pages are up to date is work, not fun. Some librarians consider their subject pages to be an important part of the collection development responsibilities. Others would like to abandon the whole thing. What are other libraries doing about web maintenance? Is the person who created the page originally responsible for maintaining it, or does that responsibility fall on someone else? Do you do anything about abandoned pages? =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Wed Aug 13 17:13:30 1997 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: <9708132113.1E6718@grpc028.wcs.co.nz> --- Begin Included Message --- From: jmk@synopsys.com Date: 13 Aug 97 Subject: Re: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Multiple recipients of list > > What are other libraries doing about web maintenance? Is the person who > created the page originally responsible for maintaining it, or does that > responsibility fall on someone else? Do you do anything about abandoned > pages? > Andrea, I work for a corporate, but I believe any site experiences these problems where multiple people are responsible for content. We've done two things to ensure this doesn't happen. 1. All pages must contain a point of contact listing the person responsible for the page, as has been discussed here alot. No one gets linked to our main intranet page unless this is present. 2. We have a representative from each department who is a "department webmaster". Part of their job description is to keep their folks on their toes about refreshing content. We support them by using utilities such as MOMSpider to weekly generate a list of pages that have not been touched in over 90 days, and they follow up with those people. The key is, of course, that these steps don't work either unless you've convinced your organization as a whole that keeping their content up to date is a good idea. If they buy into that on a theoretical level, then we have people who are there to push them to fulfill it on a practical level. Those people, if they don't perform, are pushed by their managers, who all signed a paper in the beginning that said "Web is good, we will support". In a company of our size (~3,000 employees), spreading the responsibility for maintenance was essential for us. There are more and more site maintenance tools popping up as well, that can help you spot broken links or change references when a page moves. Adobe SiteMill comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others. -Janet --- End Included Message --- This is exactly the reason why our company's Quality Assurance Manager wants each web page to be treated as a document with a file number instead of a name, a move which we are resisting because of the bureaucracy involved in assigning numbers and maintaining a file list, plus the effect it could have on stifling contributors' enthusiasm and creativity. Regards, Dianna Roberts ************************************************************************************ Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS Operations (dianna.roberts@opus.co.nz) Opus International Consultants P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ************************************************************************************ --- End Included Message --- From jmk at synopsys.com Wed Aug 13 18:41:07 1997 From: jmk at synopsys.com (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: <199708132241.PAA01056@marius.synopsys.com> > > --- End Included Message --- > > This is exactly the reason why our company's Quality Assurance Manager wants each web page to be treated as a document with a file number instead of a name, a move which we are resisting because of the bureaucracy involved in assigning numbers and maintaining a file list, plus the effect it could have on stifling contributors' enthusiasm and creativity. > > Regards, > Dianna Roberts > Sounds like what your QA manager wants is a document control system, which will do this for you. We are currently instituting one at our company (Documentum), and the benefits are great if you tie it in with your search engine for your intranet (includes getting fielded search, better maintenance on documents, the ability to provide review copies or loops before stuff goes on the intranet, etc.), but it's a big investment. I agree the intranet has to be highly valued and thriving before you install something like that, but our users are demanding the benefits you can only get through such a system, and we want the quality control. I would never try to maintain such a system by hand, however. That's just adding more maintenance work to an already heavy load. From lHassett at dwebb.llu.edu Wed Aug 13 20:08:08 1997 From: lHassett at dwebb.llu.edu (lHassett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Webspirs User Authentication Message-ID: <9707138715.AA871513837@dwebb.llu.edu> We are intending to provide access to Silverplatter databases through their WebSpirs product but first need to find a solution to user authentication. Has anyone solved this problem specifically with Silverplatter (WebSpirs) who does not provide slip/PPP (ISP) access for their users (therefore presenting a problem with using IP addresses for authentication, right??) Looking in the list archives I see some other solutions people are working on or have used but I'm not clear to me that they would work in the above situation with WebSpirs. I am not a systems librarian so I don't understand some details about this issue but since I'm on the list I'm asking the question and will pass on such details to our systems folks. Any ideas/solutions would be much appreciated. Leslie Hassett Loma Linda University Library lhassett@dwebb.llu.edu From Neil at pcmail-library.uow.edu.au Thu Aug 14 14:40:00 1997 From: Neil at pcmail-library.uow.edu.au (Neil Grant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Disabling Exit from Netscape v3.01 Message-ID: <33F25402@pcmail-gw.uow.edu.au> Dale E. Goodell wrote We have migrated to Netscape v3.01 as our primary user interface on our library's public workstations. I would like to prevent users from exiting Netscape, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this. Our goal is to have everything consistent, so that Netscape is the only interface people see. How have other libraries solved this problem? I'm still running Windows for Workgroups v3.11; I don't plan to upgrade to Windows 95 for some time. I'm using Fortres 101 v2.51 for general Windows security, and IKIOSK v2.0 to disable many of Netscape's menu items. Using IKIOSK, I have tried to disable Netscape's File|Close and File|Exit choices, as well as being able to double- click in the upper-left corner of Netscape to exit. These measures have not disable exit from Netscape. I would like to hear from others who have conquered this problem. Thank you, in advance, for any help you might be able to provide. We are using a similar combination of Fortres and Ikiosk in our Infolab. We overcame the double -click in the upper left corner to exit by using the record function of Ikiosk and disabling it that way. (We also disabled alt+tab that way.) As for as disabling the File|Close and File|Exit option we had to do this within progman.exe. The system commands available for blocking within Netscape did not seem to work for this(?) I would like to know if you or anyone else with a similar setup has had error messages when users attempt to print results of a search and get an error can't read from drive A It does not happen every time. it is possible to clear the problem by File|Save|cancel. Alo we get an error message on boot up that it can't find netscape.cia. This seems to relate Ikiosk. Neil Grant Electronic Services Librarian University of Wollongong NSW Australia neil_grant@uow.edu.au From Jennifer_Reiswig at UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu Wed Aug 13 19:58:00 1997 From: Jennifer_Reiswig at UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu (Jennifer_Reiswig@UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: Netscape 4 and Telnet using a telnet.bat - in NT Message-ID: Wow - Jenny wins the Convoluted Subject Line of the Week award... The topic of using a batch file to correctly pass a telnet URL from Netscape 4 to a telnet program (other than its own dorky dll) has been discussed on this list previously. It works very well (thank you, Call-Me-Bill), although we agree Netscape should have thought of this. Grr. However.... We're using *WindowsNT* on our about-to-be-born public Internet workstations, and we can't figure out how to get the batch file's "DOS" window to close on exit, because NT doesn't offer the same range of "properties" as Win95. The best we can do so far is to make the batch file's "DOS" window really, really small. The user is still going to have to know to close it at some point, or we'll have all these little open windows everywhere. Are any of you aware of a way in NT to force a DOS program to close when it's finished running? (Do any of you have strong opinions about a patron's constitutional right to close their own DOS windows?!) Jenny Reiswig Biomedical Library University of California, San Diego jreiswig@ucsd.edu Tel: (619) 534-1205 Fax: (619) 534-6609 From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Wed Aug 13 22:01:51 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: mailto link Message-ID: <970813220151.20a1b91d@main.morris.org> Did you try coding the link as ? [for the question mark] ..as in person?place@host.com ...just a thought... From embier at netgate.net Wed Aug 13 22:14:12 1997 From: embier at netgate.net (Ed & Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:20 2005 Subject: mailto link In-Reply-To: <970813220151.20a1b91d@main.morris.org> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970813191412.007b6c20@ng.netgate.net> doesn't that need to be ? with the semi colon... At 07:11 PM 8/13/97 -0700, Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library wrote: >Did you try coding the link as ? [for the question mark] ..as in >person?place@host.com ...just a thought... > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 14 08:10:05 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: mailto link Message-ID: <199708141212.IAA06652@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> An HREF attribute contains a URL, not HTML, so browsers shouldn't parse HTML character entities. You might try "%3F" as a hex code, but the URL spec in RFC 1738 makes it look like a browser should simply understand that as a question mark, and do whatever it would do if it just received "?". 'Course, this is the same spec that says "mailto:" needs to be followed by an address that complies with RFC 822 and nothing else, and you can see how da boys at Netscape have screwed that up. Something to remember the next time you hear them proclaiming their allegiance to open standards. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu >doesn't that need to be ? with the semi colon... > > >>Did you try coding the link as ? [for the question mark] ..as in >>person&ris#63place@host.com ...just a thought... >> >> > > From goodeld at fsa.wou.edu Thu Aug 14 12:10:34 1997 From: goodeld at fsa.wou.edu (Dale E. Goodell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Disabling Exit from Netscape v3.01 Message-ID: <345B0415F75@fsa.wou.edu> Neil: The only error messages I've seen when trying to print are the "document contains no data" and "there are no pages to print". With the latter, this forces our LaserJet 5M network printer to form feed, with nothing being printed on that page. I don't think this a huge problem, but I would like to solve it if possible. One solution I recall hearing from this list would be to upgrade to Netscape 4. I've noticed these messages seem to appear on the same pages; our library's page, for instance :). I suspect that Netscape (possibly) isn't able to deal with some aspect of the HTML? > I would like to know if you or anyone else with a similar setup has had > error messages when users attempt to print results of a search and get an > error > > can't read from drive A > > It does not happen every time. it is possible to clear the problem by > File|Save|cancel. I've never seen anything referring to NETSCAPE.CIA. In fact, I've never seen such a file. > Alo we get an error message on boot up that it can't find netscape.cia. This > seems to relate Ikiosk. > > Neil Grant > Electronic Services Librarian > University of Wollongong > NSW Australia > neil_grant@uow.edu.au > ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell User Support Analyst Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 Internet: goodeld@fsa.wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Thu Aug 14 12:04:01 1997 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Disabling Exit from Netscape v3.01 Message-ID: <199708141604.SAA12088@iannis.ircam.fr> As I (think I) wrote earlier, we have AVOIDED using Netscape, for it did not provide an adequate "kiosk" mode. Instead, we use the so-called Archimed Explorer, based on the Internet Explorer Library - i.e., it is functionally the same, but implements all the features we needed for a secure public-access PC-as-terminal (it runs under Windows 95, but I am sure can be run on other versions of Windows). Among the features we required to have: 1. The browser window takes all the space on the screen, cannot be resized or moved, closed or opened. All the top bar and buttons have disappeared (including the logo) and have been replaced by a narrow series of buttons, including: BACK, FORWARD and REDRAW, and customizable buttons leading to any part of our server we wish - sort of shortcuts available at any time. 2. As a result, there are no menus anymore allowing the user to save a page (which could - intentionally or not - erase system files), open any URL, fork a browser, etc. The control functions of the keys/mouse have also been disabled - the rightmost mouse button lists just the functions on top of the menu bar as per 1. 3. URL access has also been secured: the installation allows customization of which URLs are accessible or not, by regular expressions. E.g., you can for instance allow *://locis.loc.gov/* (all protocols to the Library of Congress) or telnet://opale02.bnf.fr/ (just telnet to the French national library). No matter where the URL is found - directly on one of our pages or on a page retrieved from the Internet - this control will apply. 4. The telnet application has been secured, so that once invoked via a URL such as above, and exited, it does not allow for opening another connection from its menu. 5. Other helper applications have to be secured as well. 6. Users can't change the configuration (font size, color, underlining, etc.). 7. Users can't exit from the application, nor can call any other application. As such we have turned our PCs into network computers of sorts. This has been in public usage for a year now, no complaints. The Archimed Explorer is available from: Archimed 5, rue Jean Roisin F-59800 Lille (France) http://www.archimed.fr/ mail: e.ruyffelaere@archimed.fr (Mr. Eric Ruyffelaere) Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library IRCAM/Centre Georges-Pompidou 75004 Paris, France http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/ From dennis at dati.com Thu Aug 14 12:40:44 1997 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Netscape 4 and Telnet using a telnet.bat - in NT References: Message-ID: <33F3350C.630C@dati.com> Jennifer_Reiswig@ucsdlibrary.ucsd.edu wrote: > > We're using *WindowsNT* on our about-to-be-born public Internet > workstations, and we can't figure out how to get the batch file's > "DOS" window to close on exit, because NT doesn't offer the same range > of "properties" as Win95. The best we can do so far is to make the > batch file's "DOS" window really, really small. The user is still > going to have to know to close it at some point, or we'll have all > these little open windows everywhere. > > Are any of you aware of a way in NT to force a DOS program to close > when it's finished running? (Do any of you have strong opinions about > a patron's constitutional right to close their own DOS windows?!) > Batch files should automatically close on exit (I've assumed NT 4.0). If the window is not closing, then some component initiated by the batch file may still be running. For .exe files, there is a 'close on exit' button under Properties/Program. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc./CD Solutions Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) mailto:dennis@dati.com Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 14 13:09:03 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Whoooo are you? -Reply In-Reply-To: <13B27C2124E8D01192A80000C04213F503D0DD@wembley.sequent.com> Message-ID: I recently activated non-executable server-side includes on SunSITE, and I agree that they can greatly help in maintaining standard blocks of text in your pages. But I have one thing to add to Michael's message below. Since we index our Web site, if we gave our text snippets the .html filename extension, they would show up in our search results. By merely dropping the extension entirely they do not clutter our Web index. The filename extension is most definitely not needed for server-side includes and in fact may cause problems. Other than that, I am quite happy with server-side includes and we have so far not detected any significant server load issue despite parsing *all* html files. By the way, we also drop filename extensions on our template files, so they do not get indexed as well. Roy Tennant Digital Library SunSITE http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/ On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Michael Squires (michael) wrote: > Going back to a discussion of a few months ago about the value of > server-side includes, this is one of the places that SSI can pay off big > time. Even if everyone can't quite agree on some of the look&feel issues > within a site, if you can get a consensus that "we will have some > standard 'stuff' at the top, and some other standard 'stuff' at the > bottom", then you can create an initial "topstuff.html" and > "botstuff.html", and have everyone just put the appropriate "#include > topstuff.html" etc. on their pages. Then the content of that can evolve > \without/ forcing everyone to go back and mung their pages by hand. > > When you add this to the approach that Brian Carney outlined (have a > standard button that fetches more info about the page in question), then > you've got a very powerful and flexible approach. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lester [SMTP:DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 4:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Whoooo are you? -Reply > > >>> "Brian Carney (carney)" > 08/11/97 02:26pm >>> > We designed one solution to this problem, implemented in > the digital library that is the center of our corporate > Intranet. > Pages include a 'pageinfo' button at the top which displays > the name of the person who published the page, date and > time of last update, content owner, etc. Use this information > to identify the team that built the page, and thus you can > know where you are. However, this required a technical > approach to metadata capture/organization/use which isn't > part of the usual Web server. > ------------------ > This is an important issue, and you've found one of the many > solutions. We happen to use a lower tech one. Some use > frames for that purpose. We just have a "boilerplate footer" > which I give a copy of to all who are creating page content. > They change the name and mailto to theirs, and then drop in > to the bottom of every page. It includes snailmail address for > library, phone number, name and mailto for the person > responsible for the page, time and date last updated, and > counters for each day and total since first creation. Of > course anyone who doesn't want all that can do a more > minimalist solution. I'm now working on redoing that > boilerplate and tightening up the layout. Someday I'll get > someone working on web pages that is "more of a design > professional", which I'd never claim to be. I'm also hoping our > folks will finally agree on a more consistent look and feel. > Since I can't force anyone to do anything, implementation > isn't totally consistent. In fact, I need to add it to some of > my > older pages as well. > > You can find examples of our method at > http://library.idbsu.edu/ and many pages thereunder. > > dan > > From morganj at iupui.edu Thu Aug 14 13:32:51 1997 From: morganj at iupui.edu (Jim Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: online document forms Message-ID: A department has asked us to mount some wordprocessing forms on the internet so that their recipients could use the in WordPerfect, Word, etc. It seemed an easy request, since we have some .exe files we make available this way, but I haven't figured out how to list the document so that Netscape et.al. will download it instead of trying to read it. The documents in question have .doc and .wpd extensions. When Netscape displays them, I've tried saving to disk, but Netscape apparently adds some additional text to them that makes the unreadable by the wordprocessor. Has anyone found a way to make wordprocessing docuements available to web users? Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Thu Aug 14 13:34:54 1997 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Netscape 4 and Telnet using a telnet.bat - in NT Message-ID: <970814133454.a014f@sals.edu> Dennis Brantley wrote: >Batch files should automatically close on exit (I've assumed NT 4.0). >If the window is not closing, then some component initiated by the batch >file may still be running. Mine also close automatically in NT 4.0. I didn't change any settings to make them do that. Some of them start full-screen telnet sessions (from the desktop, using Kermit 95) to specific sites, but they close politely when finished. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From scramer at davenport.edu Thu Aug 14 13:55:00 1997 From: scramer at davenport.edu (Steve Cramer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: August 13, 1997 6:12 pm >>> "One of the problems we've found is that there may well be one person (me) who writes the HTML and plays some with content. But we also have Reference and Branch staff who look over and search for content. With the HTML validators now at our disposal, it's almost easier to run our pages through them for link checking, than it is for Reference staff to click each link on a page to see if its broken." __________________________________ But don't validators simply tell you whether a not a page *exists* at a particular URL? It won't tell you (for example) that the page now says "This wonderful reference source has moved -- its new location is http://some.other.location/". At least, the FrontPage link validator will only confirm the existence of a page, it won't inform you of major changes to that page. Steve Cramer Davenport College Library Holland, Michigan USA scramer@davenport.edu From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Thu Aug 14 14:33:13 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: [FYI] Z39.50 and holdings information Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970814143313.005f6718@nlc-bnc.ca> For anyone interested in the issue of Z39.50 and holdings, I've collected a few related documents at this Web site: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/iso/z3950/ The National Library of Canada has created a separate (official) page for Z39.50 Application Issues. Here you will find links and references to documents that discuss and/or try to resolve issues identified in library projects relating to the use of Z39.50 to create a network of distributed sytems, such as the virtual Canadian Union catalogue project, CIC, MODELS, etc. It can be found at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/resource/vcuc/z3950ap.htm The site is still sparse. We are looking for additional documents so that the site can be used to facilitate the exchange of information about issues and concerns faced by Z39.50 library networking projects. Please send references to: carrol.lunau@nlc-bnc.ca Thanks, Fay -- Fay Turner, Information Technology Services National Library of Canada E-mail: fay.turner@nlc-bnc.ca Tel: (819) 994-6830, Fax: (819) 994-6835 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 14 15:05:52 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: <199708141908.PAA31008@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > >But don't validators simply tell you whether a not a page >*exists* at a particular URL? It won't tell you (for >example) that the page now says "This wonderful >reference source has moved -- its new location is >http://some.other.location/". > That's too bad. Since link checkers must minimally do an HTTP HEAD request, and since the HTTP header includes the size of the file, it would be trivial for people writing link checkers to let you flag pages that were smaller than some threshold size. Most "We have moved" pages are probably less that 1000 bytes, for example. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Thu Aug 14 15:26:16 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970814142616.007af630@vms.csd.mu.edu> >But don't validators simply tell you whether a not a page >*exists* at a particular URL? It won't tell you (for >example) that the page now says "This wonderful >reference source has moved -- its new location is >http://some.other.location/". No, there are validators that tell you this sort of information, such as the validator we use, Linkbot. Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU Thu Aug 14 15:56:09 1997 From: hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (Steve Hooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: More Stuff Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970814155726.0edf08f2@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> Just read that Arnold Schwarzenegger will star in Ridley Scott's remake of I AM LEGEND. Previous incarnations were called THE LAST MAN IN THE WORLD and THE OMEGA MAN. I've seen the 2nd but not the 1st. Maybe Scott will do it right - keeping the name suggests he may try to be true to Matheson's story. any reactions? I thought OMEGA was well visualized and shot but not very satisfying, and that Charlton Heston (again!) did a good job of acting as if he was cracking from loneliness. More importantly, I just read DONNERJACK by Zelazny and Lindskold. I found it very good, with a whole system of worlds in virtual reality gone mad that could have rivalled Amber. ICFA attendees will remember Z reading the very beginning to us, with its Orpheus-meets-Rumplestiltskin plot. Zelazny's hand is all over it, and I really couldn't spot where the two authors diverged. I found myself hoping our hero would put one over on Death in the end, but to quote from memory, 'The universe doesn't owe you or me or anyone else a happy ending.' A fast ride through groves of strange attractors on a hell-bound train! And dammit, there won't be any more.... +=============================++============================+ Stephen S. Hooley "When the going gets Romulan Tech Support weird, the weird Systems Group turn pro." Henderson Library -- Hunter S. Thompson Ga Southern Univ Statesboro, GA 30460 www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/hooleyss +===========================================================+ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Aug 14 16:08:43 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Netscape printing problems References: <33F09260.55CE@nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <33F365CB.C29EB7AA@am.appstate.edu> I jusst tried printing your test site below using Win 95 Communicator 4.01 and a networked HP laser jet 4p. I printed the page right when I got to it with no problem. Next I filled out the form and printed the page. The second print out was exactly like the first, no form data was printed just the form and side bar. Last I printed the results of the cgi query again with no problem. I used the print button from the print icon in the navigation tool bar each time. Although I had good results at your test site, I have seen the problem you refer to on other computers in our library searching other sites. Sometimes I have found that if you click anywhere in the frame that you want to print out and then choose the print button it will print sometimes. It seems that I most often find it to be a problem with frames, but the page I got from your test site was not html frames but rather a table. Thomas Bennett jbauman@nslsilus.ORG wrote: > We have problems with Netscape 3.0 on both Win 95 and Win 3.1 printing > > to > non-networked DeskJet 600 printers. > > Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This > problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are > generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as > HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with > another > solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you > with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for > this > is the Social Security Death Index > http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm > > Problem #2: Some pages, and I haven't been able to determine a common > > thread, will not print on the DeskJet 600 series printers. A message > appears about a printer driver problem or a GPF that points to the > printer. The page will print fine on a Panasonic KX-P3124 dot matrix > printer. I believe we do have the most recent printer drivers > available. > > Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. > > **************************************** > Jennifer Baumann > Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian > Highland Park Public Library > 494 Laurel Ave. > Highland Park, IL 60035 > PH (847) 432-0216 > FX (847) 432-9139 > jbauman@nslsilus.org -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From jmk at synopsys.com Thu Aug 14 16:12:11 1997 From: jmk at synopsys.com (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: online document forms Message-ID: <199708142012.NAA01423@marius.synopsys.com> Why not use the Helper applications in Netscape to provide a separeate link that will automatically download the word file in its native state to their desktop? They're under Options, General Preferences, Helpers. I think one for word is already listed, and you just edit it and tell it to save to disk rather than launching word itself to view it, which is another option. -Janet > From web4lib@library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 14 10:46:09 1997 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:41:06 -0700 > Reply-To: morganj@iupui.edu > Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > From: Jim Morgan > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: online document forms > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Web4Lib Information - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ > Content-Length: 684 > > A department has asked us to mount some wordprocessing forms on the > internet so that their recipients could use the in WordPerfect, Word, etc. > It seemed an easy request, since we have some .exe files we make > available this way, but I haven't figured out how to list the > document so that Netscape et.al. will download it instead of trying to > read it. The documents in question have .doc and .wpd extensions. When > Netscape displays them, I've tried saving to disk, but Netscape apparently > adds some additional text to them that makes the unreadable by the > wordprocessor. Has anyone found a way to make wordprocessing docuements > available to web users? > > Jim Morgan > morganj@iupui.edu > > From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 14 16:13:18 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: I've found that a wonderful tool for Win95 or NT4 users is CyberSpyder2.0, available as shareware ($35 to register) from http://www.cyberspyder.com/ It checks links, produces reports in various formats and forms, and also is a fine LINT to clean up your sloppy code. I'll face up to possible embarrassment by telling you to check output from it at http://cyclops.idbsu.edu/cyberspyder/ to see some reports. Of course RUNNING the reports for my HTML writers/page producers is one thing. I'm not their boss so I can't MAKE them do anything, like fix broken links, etc. But, in most cases pride in their work and its accuracy keeps them pretty up to date. The reports in that URL pretty well cover the range of things that happen. Download it. You'll love it. Your budget will love it. No, I have no affiliation with them except as a happy user. dan From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 14 16:30:57 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> Sheryl Dwinell 08/14/97 01:38pm >>> >But don't validators simply tell you whether a not a page >*exists* at a particular URL? It won't tell you (for >example) that the page now says "This wonderful >reference source has moved -- its new location is >http://some.other.location/". No, there are validators that tell you this sort of information, such as the validator we use, Linkbot. Same is true of CyberSpyder, which I recommended in previous message. dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Aug 14 16:44:42 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: size of windows icons References: Message-ID: <33F36E39.8572F8B3@am.appstate.edu> In windows 95, choose Start-Settings-Control panel. Next click on the tab labeled Appearance. Under item select Icon. Now the size incrementer beside icon is available for change. Below that choice is the incrementer for the font and font size and that may be what you would want to change rather than the icon size, they are not synchronized to change together. If you are using NT 4.0 this should be the same process. I'll have to check on our NT server which is located in a different building. Thomas Jay Barton Spencer wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a question that I hope someone can help me with. It may be a > request that is impossible, but I want to be sure. > > In our library, both in the public services areas and in the training > rooms, we are enabling a new web-based gateway to all of our networked > > resources. The icons on our Windows NT machines are as small as > windows > icons have always been, and are somewhat hard to see for patrons who > are > unfamiliar with things. > > What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, > which > better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find a > way > to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons > normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make > Windows NT > allow larger icons to appear on the screen? > > Thanks! > > Barton Spencer > Information Services Librarian > University of Southern Mississippi -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 14 16:43:09 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Public PC printers Message-ID: We've been using, and loving, Epson LX300s for years, but on DOS cdrom or terminal printing. They are cheap and just don't break. I've used ThinkJets in past and wouldn't now due to supply costs. Supply costs are a killer on any inkjet I've ever seen or heard of. LX300s are not the answer for web or windows printing, nor are any inkjets. Newer inkjets from HP and others are faster and better. None have tractor feed. No one WANTS tractor feed anymore, at least not the market these are pointed at, which is home and small business, not libraries. They want to print on regular paper, no tearing, no raggy edges, etc. Same of course is true of laser printers. Laser printers are a good answer for web printing if you can afford enough of them. And, naturally, the inexpensive ones are slower. Of course the printing will be to a great extent depend on the CPU and disk space available for it to build the page(s), too. If you accept the above (and let me know if you don't, or have some magic answer), then the option remaining is something like an HP 5si, which runs about 2300 bucks, but prints 17ppm and is a network printer. The downside? It needs, most likely, to be at a service point so that someone can distribute the output and/or collect money for the printing. I'm not hung up on the 5si, but it seems best we've seen, and best price for something in that class. I don't want to start the debate about whether to charge or not, and how much. The real question is has anyone simply put a networked printer in a public area (in our case in the area of some 25 networked CDROM and WEB workstations) and NOT given it attendance, much as is the case if you hang a printer on each workstation? I know there will be times for refiling paper, paperjams, and so forth, and folks are used to that with 20 LX300s. But what about people fighting over stuff, hassling you that their stuff didn't come out yet (probably because there are a dozen cued items ahead of it), etc? I'm thinking of recommending we go to a networked printer but NOT putting it at an attended desk. Reactions? Suggestions? Comments? Experiences? Am I crazy? (answer that one only as related to this question, please.) dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU Thu Aug 14 16:48:15 1997 From: hooleyss at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (Steve Hooley) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: ooooooops Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970814164931.0edf7e14@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> Sorry - this was intended for another list but I hit the wrong nick - please forgive the non-tech stuff.....we're evacuating our LRC for rewiring and things are hectic. From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Aug 14 17:34:04 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring References: <9708132113.1E6718@grpc028.wcs.co.nz> Message-ID: <33F379CC.2C5D01C9@am.appstate.edu> A little off from this discussion, Can someone tell me the difference between a Webmaster and a Webpage Author?? Thomas Dianna Roberts wrote: > --- Begin Included Message --- > > From: jmk@synopsys.com > Date: 13 Aug 97 > Subject: Re: Maintenance is so booooooooooring > Multiple recipients of list > > > > > What are other libraries doing about web maintenance? Is the person > who > > created the page originally responsible for maintaining it, or does > that > > responsibility fall on someone else? Do you do anything about > abandoned > > pages? > > > > Andrea, > > I work for a corporate, but I believe any site experiences these > problems where multiple people are responsible for content. > > We've done two things to ensure this doesn't happen. > > 1. All pages must contain a point of contact listing the person > responsible > for the page, as has been discussed here alot. No one gets linked > to our main intranet page unless this is present. > > 2. We have a representative from each department who is a "department > webmaster". Part of their job description is to keep their folks > on their toes about refreshing content. We support them by using > utilities such as MOMSpider to weekly generate a list of pages > that have not been touched in over 90 days, and they follow up > with those people. > > The key is, of course, that these steps don't work either unless > you've > convinced your organization as a whole that keeping their content up > to > date is a good idea. If they buy into that on a theoretical level, > then > we have people who are there to push them to fulfill it on a practical > > level. Those people, if they don't perform, are pushed by their > managers, who all signed a paper in the beginning that said "Web is > good, we will support". In a company of our size (~3,000 employees), > spreading the responsibility for maintenance was essential for us. > > There are more and more site maintenance tools popping up as well, > that > can help you spot broken links or change references when a page moves. > > Adobe SiteMill comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others. > > -Janet > > --- End Included Message --- > > This is exactly the reason why our company's Quality Assurance Manager > wants each web page to be treated as a document with a file number > instead of a name, a move which we are resisting because of the > bureaucracy involved in assigning numbers and maintaining a file list, > plus the effect it could have on stifling contributors' enthusiasm and > creativity. > > Regards, > Dianna Roberts > > ************** > ********************************************************************* > Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS Operations (dianna.roberts@opus.co.nz) > Opus International Consultants > P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND > Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 > ****************************************** > ***************************************** > > --- End Included Message --- -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From duda at library.ucsb.edu Thu Aug 14 17:44:58 1997 From: duda at library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Message-ID: People have suggested several ideas regarding the maintenance of web pages: - pages should include the name of the person responsible for the page - use tools like MOMSpider or CyberSpyder to generate lists of broken links - use library assistants or student assistants to mark up pages - use resources like the Scout Report to learn about new sources We're already doing these things. For example, we run CyberSpyder monthly to look for bad links. (The newest version of it is quite nice!) I send the reports off to the people responsible for those pages. In most cases, people check the links and update their pages. But there are a few people who say they don't have time to look at the reports and do anything with them. What do you do then? With the subject pages, generally librarians are making the decisions about which links to add. In many cases they turn this information over to a library assistant or student who does the actual HTML markup. Resources like the Scout Report are great for learning about new sources. A resource that I find invaluable is Gleason Sackman's Network Newsletters mailing list. (Subscribe by sending the message "subscribe newsltr" to listserv@listserv.nodak.edu.) You'll receive a dozen or more different newsletters automatically -- things like the Scout Report, Edupage, NBN Editor's Choice Awards, etc. I guess maybe there isn't a good answer to my question. I send reports about broken links. I send notices about new resources that people may want to check out. Librarians can get help from LAs and students to mark up their pages. But in some cases, the pages are still basically abandoned by the people who created them. =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Aug 14 17:58:37 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: size of windows icons References: <33F36E39.8572F8B3@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <33F37F8C.4F1DB290@am.appstate.edu> Sorry , left out the part after Contorl Panel open the Display choice then proceed as mentioned in the other reply to this. Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett wrote: > In windows 95, choose Start-Settings-Control panel. Next click on the > > tab labeled Appearance. Under item select Icon. Now the size > incrementer beside icon is available for change. Below that choice is > > the incrementer for the font and font size and that may be what you > would want to change rather than the icon size, they are not > synchronized to change together. If you are using NT 4.0 this should > be > the same process. I'll have to check on our NT server which is > located > in a different building. > > Thomas > > Jay Barton Spencer wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I've got a question that I hope someone can help me with. It may be > a > > request that is impossible, but I want to be sure. > > > > In our library, both in the public services areas and in the > training > > rooms, we are enabling a new web-based gateway to all of our > networked > > > > resources. The icons on our Windows NT machines are as small as > > windows > > icons have always been, and are somewhat hard to see for patrons who > > > are > > unfamiliar with things. > > > > What I'd like to do is place much larger bitmap icons on the screen, > > > which > > better illustrate what's available. However, I currently cannot find > a > > way > > to stop the icons from reverting to the very small size that icons > > normally are. My question is, does anyone know of a way to make > > Windows NT > > allow larger icons to appear on the screen? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Barton Spencer > > Information Services Librarian > > University of Southern Mississippi > > -- > ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ > > ;/* */ > > ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ > > ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ > > ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ > > ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ > > ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ > > ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ > > ;/* */ > > ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Aug 14 18:03:46 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: online document forms References: Message-ID: <33F380C2.25B5ADA3@am.appstate.edu> You could compress these with a zip program as a self expanding zip file. This would automatically give them the .exe extension and no need for the user to have an unzip utility. Thomas Jim Morgan wrote: > A department has asked us to mount some wordprocessing forms on the > internet so that their recipients could use the in WordPerfect, Word, > etc. > It seemed an easy request, since we have some .exe files we make > available this way, but I haven't figured out how to list the > document so that Netscape et.al. will download it instead of trying to > > read it. The documents in question have .doc and .wpd extensions. > When > Netscape displays them, I've tried saving to disk, but Netscape > apparently > adds some additional text to them that makes the unreadable by the > wordprocessor. Has anyone found a way to make wordprocessing > docuements > available to web users? > > Jim Morgan > morganj@iupui.edu -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From curranl at mpl.on.ca Thu Aug 14 20:48:04 1997 From: curranl at mpl.on.ca (Lynne Curran) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Printing Problems-Internet PC's Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970814204804.08777142@haltonbe.on.ca> I have two public internet pc's sharing one BubbleJet 210 color printer by way of a parallel print sharing device. We have a black cartridge in the printer and do not use color. I am experiencing problems when patrons print documents of over 10 pages and/or printing large graphics such as full page pictures. The printer sends out pages of garbage and must be turned off. When you kill the print job the pc freezes up. You must turn the pc off and on as you can't reboot. Often you find that both pc's have print jobs in the Print Manager and you must follow the same procedure on the second pc. I would appreciate hearing about the type of printers others are using successfully on internet pc's where this kind of printing is being done. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Thu Aug 14 21:44:00 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: >>> Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett 08/14/97 03:59pm >>> A little off from this discussion, Can someone tell me the difference between a Webmaster and a Webpage Author?? ------------- Well, I'm not sure if there is an "official definition", but to me the Webmaster is in charge of the entire web. Many different people may be authoring webpages. On our university web server, for example, there is one webmaster in charge of all aspects of the whole machine, content, software, developing new services (indexes, etc.), enforcing standards (in some cases), helping newbies, etc, etc. But there are authors in most departments, each contributing their personal pages or their departmental pages, whatever. In the library (http://library.idbsu.edu/), I'm the webmaster, and for a long time I was the only page creator. Now a number of people are doing pages (see the above URL with /maps/ added, or find via homepage). The author of those pages is the Library Asst II in Maps. She's done a fine job. Her pages reflect her authorship, and carry her mailto for both the flames and the compliments. She's responsible. Of course if she did something wrong or inappropriate, I could zap her pages and eliminate her access to put pages on the server. But of course she won't, and I don't imagine that would happen....but it sure happens on university servers where students can create content. Think of students with porn pages, business pages (a business of their own), and so forth. Most would consider these inappropriate, as they are illegal or a violation of most AUPs. They reflect on the institution. Anyway, those are the difference to me....you didn't expect a SHORT answer from the Cyclops, didja? cheers cyclops Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Thu Aug 14 21:49:02 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (SHERYL DWINELL) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:22 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > people check the links and update their pages. But there are a few people > who say they don't have time to look at the reports and do anything with > them. What do you do then? Well, I delete them. If I mail deadlinks to someone and don't hear from them in two weeks (of course I make sure they aren't on vacation or away for some other reason), I remove them from the page. > > I guess maybe there isn't a good answer to my question. I send reports > about broken links. I send notices about new resources that people may > want to check out. Librarians can get help from LAs and students to mark > up their pages. But in some cases, the pages are still basically > abandoned by the people who created them. Perhaps you need someone in a higher authority to step in who sees your side of things and thinks that these pages are important to the library. At our library, the Collection Development librarians are responsible for their subject area pages. The person who oversees the CD Librarians has bought into the program and has taken the lead (with some prompting from the Web Committe at times) in pushing the CD Librarians to take care of their pages. This hasn't been completely successful since we're dealing with a handful of librarians who have just decided to be stubborn about it and have blown off responsibility. There's just so much you can do to push someone in this kind of situation. My 'solution' has been to suggest that they pass off the responsibility to someone else in the library who IS interested in the subject matter and would maintain the page. I haven't gotten to far with that idea yet, but I'm still hoping. To me, it reflects negatively on the library if the information is stale, or the person compiling the page has made a half-hearted effort. From evan.bailey at dtec.tafensw.edu.au Fri Aug 15 18:24:36 1997 From: evan.bailey at dtec.tafensw.edu.au (evan.bailey@dtec.tafensw.edu.au) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Internet Assistant setup problem Message-ID: <33F4D724.73BA@dtec.tafensw.edu.au> Colleagues, Can anyboby help with a minor setup problem which is preventing us from installing MSWord Internet Assistant? The IA setup program says that it can't proceed because of insufficient memory or disk space. It says it requires 900k. My equipment is IBM 386, 200Mb HD spare space, 4Mb RAM, which should be sufficient memory and/or HD space. Has anybody else come across this problem? We are running Win 3.1 What is the solution? Thanks, Evan the cybarian ------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Bailey Ph: (02) 924 45551 A/Manager Fax: (02) 924 45555 Vocational Education & Training Information Service (VETIS) Level 13, No. 1 Oxford St DARLINGHURST NSW 2010 DTEC Email: EvanB Email: evan.bailey@dtec.tafensw.edu.au ========================================================= From johanna at munin.ub2.lu.se Fri Aug 15 04:43:25 1997 From: johanna at munin.ub2.lu.se (Johanna Nilsson - LUB NetLab) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Lester of "Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:36:14 PDT." Message-ID: <199708150843.KAA03751@bilbo.ub2.lu.se> > I've found that a wonderful tool for Win95 or NT4 users is > CyberSpyder2.0, available as shareware ($35 to register) from > http://www.cyberspyder.com/ > > It checks links, produces reports in various formats and > forms, and also is a fine LINT to clean up your sloppy code. > There are also web-based tools for this, like Doctor HTML , which I think is handy and useful. I haven't seen those shareware things though, maybe there are differences in functionality. /Johanna PS More such tools here: -- Johanna Nilsson LUB - NetLab, Lund, Sweden johanna@munin.ub2.lu.se From greene at bulldog.unca.edu Fri Aug 15 06:56:25 1997 From: greene at bulldog.unca.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Internet Assistant setup problem In-Reply-To: <33F4D724.73BA@dtec.tafensw.edu.au> Message-ID: Evan, On the extra hd space Internet Assistant seems to be requiring for setup: Programs sometimes need extra hd space for temporary files during the installation process. Back up some files to one or two floppies and try again. The program should erase the extra files when finished, but sometimes you have to go in and delete a few junk files yourself or empty your browser's cache. You could also try defragmenting your hd before installing it; frees up contiguous spacae. IA works quite well except for putting in

instead of

between paragraphs, but it can get you pretty far without typing code. If you want IA to insert a
only, use [shift][enter] instead of [enter] at that spot. Araby ___________________________________________________________ Araby Greene (704)251-6632 Electronic Resources greene@bulldog.unca.edu & Government Information http://www.unca.edu/~greene Ramsey Library, UNC-Asheville http://www.unca.edu/library ___________________________________________________________ From vcarrington at ala-choice.org Fri Aug 15 09:31:51 1997 From: vcarrington at ala-choice.org (vcarrington@ala-choice.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring - A.L.Duda's note Message-ID: <9708158716.AA871647423@nsc-nt1.netsynergy.com> Slightly off the Web Maintenance topic, but related to A.L.Duda's comment about sources of info on Web sites: CHOICE magazine just published a special supplement reviewing some 200 research-related Web sites. A free copy went to each current CHOICE subscriber, so many of you academic/research librarians may have a copy inhouse and circulating. Go check your Serials Department, or the desk drawer of the first person on the routing list (it's been a while since I worked at an academic library, but I bet some things haven't changed!) Vee Friesner Carrington CHOICE:Current Reviews for Academic Libraries ACRL/ALA 100 Riverview Center Middletown, CT 06457-3445 PH: 860-347-6933 x29 Fax: 860-346-8586 E-mail: vcarrington@ala-choice.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring Author: at INTERNET Date: 8/14/97 3:01 PM People have suggested several ideas regarding the maintenance of web pages: - pages should include the name of the person responsible for the page - use tools like MOMSpider or CyberSpyder to generate lists of broken links - use library assistants or student assistants to mark up pages - use resources like the Scout Report to learn about new sources We're already doing these things. For example, we run CyberSpyder monthly to look for bad links. (The newest version of it is quite nice!) I send the reports off to the people responsible for those pages. In most cases, people check the links and update their pages. But there are a few people who say they don't have time to look at the reports and do anything with them. What do you do then? With the subject pages, generally librarians are making the decisions about which links to add. In many cases they turn this information over to a library assistant or student who does the actual HTML markup. Resources like the Scout Report are great for learning about new sources. A resource that I find invaluable is Gleason Sackman's Network Newsletters mailing list. (Subscribe by sending the message "subscribe newsltr" to listserv@listserv.nodak.edu.) You'll receive a dozen or more different newsletters automatically -- things like the Scout Report, Edupage, NBN Editor's Choice Awards, etc. I guess maybe there isn't a good answer to my question. I send reports about broken links. I send notices about new resources that people may want to check out. Librarians can get help from LAs and students to mark up their pages. But in some cases, the pages are still basically abandoned by the people who created them. =========================================================== Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu =========================================================== From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 11:31:46 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply Message-ID: >>> "George Emery" 08/15/97 08:54am >>> Public PC printers have continued to be a major problem in our reference department and the printers connected to our web workstations are the worse. Our web workstations have HP DeskJets 520 and 540s connected and there are constant problems. We have HP ThinkJets connected to our CD-ROM network PCs and our OPAC terminals. They seldom have problems but are expensive to maintain. I also fear that they will all start failing at the same time. ----- My comments come as a spouse of a longtime HP employee and as an HP stockholder. I agree with you on the differences between the "old" ThinkJets and the newer DeskJets. The new ones are much less expensive, particularly if you take inflation into account. Some of that is due to increased volume of sales, some due to improved technology and manufacturing. But, though HP might not say this publicly (nor have they said it to me privately), the newer ones just aren't as solidly built and won't last as long IN YOUR TYPE OF USE (or mine). The ThinkJets were built as business tools. DeskJets are built as consumer products, and are thus less durable and less expensive. I think of it as the difference between IBM Selectrics, which were built like battleships, and the consumer electric typewriters of the same era, which were about a fourth of the cost. The consumer models just didn't have the construction or features of the Selectric. Why has HP changed this? Becuase they need to compete in the marketplace. As inkjets became less expensive, as people wanted to be able to print color, they started to compete with the inexpensive dot matrix monsters most of us messed with at home, and often in the office. To the average consumer the message is clear. It looks like Laser (for most purposes), but is much faster and cheaper, so buy it. So, to survive in that business, HP has to change the products. =========== This week I placed an order for a HP LaserJet 5N to network. We looked at the 5si but the price was too steep for our budget. The 5N is under $1300. Because of the many problems with networking printers for student workstations that Dan illustrates we decided to proceed slowly. At this time we will connect only the web workstations and leave the CD-ROM network and standalones with dedicated ThinkJets. -------------- We too will proceed slowly for a variety of reasons. I'm currently recommending a 5si for reference area, and at first it will only print from about eight of the 24 workstations. The rest will remain DOS based 386s that each have their own workhorse LX300 attached. We don't plan to charge, at least at first. This has been an easier decision since a number of the campus computer labs that used to charge for laser output will quit doing so as of the start of school in ten days. We had been afraid that people would bury us with printing in order to avoid the dimes in the labs. That issue should be gone now. ================== We do not plan to have a person in attendance at the networked printer but we will be starting out with only four web computers attached to it. If all goes well then we will add four more from the CD-ROM network but never more than 12 for this particular printer. Our reference librarians are glad that the DeskJets are going but there is concern for the issues that Dan has raised. We shall see next month. ----------- We'll also report back, but it may be a month or two until the higher levels approve the plan and it gets implemented. I just want it going before this semester is over (there are always WAY too many demands that things can "only change at the beginning of a semester", which I consider silly since 95 percent of the user population is the same between fall and winter. dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 12:11:05 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: >>> SHERYL DWINELL 08/14/97 08:10pm >>> Well, I delete them. If I mail deadlinks to someone and don't hear from them in two weeks (of course I make sure they aren't on vacation or away for some other reason), I remove them from the page. -------------- By using Cyberspyder, there are web pages for the reports, and those web pages are in public view (though not linked to homepage of the library....I may link them to staff homepage) Every month I rerun the reports (takes about ten minutes of my time, and they're checked in background as I do other work on the same box) and notify the users that they've been rerun (I just have an email list of all web page authors and prospective authors). Since the errors, dead and moved links, etc, are all in the reports, fixing their own pages is up to them. I'm not their boss, so if they don't update it is up to their boss to fuss at them if things look bad for their department. Since my name and mailto are on the pages that I maintain, and not anyone else's, it isn't my problem. There are MANY advantages in not being in charge, not controlling, not being the boss. "t'aint my problem" ====================== My 'solution' has been to suggest that they pass off the responsibility to someone else in the library who IS interested in the subject matter and would maintain the page. I haven't gotten to far with that idea yet, but I'm still hoping. To me, it reflects negatively on the library if the information is stale, or the person compiling the page has made a half-hearted effort. ------------------- I agree that it reflects negatively to some extent if pages are ugly, heavily loaded with broken links, etc. But, since I'm in charge of the tech side of the server, plus some pages, training of page creators, technical assistance to all, etc, I can't be worried about how much is broken. I provide the information and management knows how to check the cyberspyder reports on the web. If THEY choose to jump on someone, etc, that's their business, not mine. I've carefully taught all the people here that I'm NOT their boss. I can tell them what CAN be done, but not what MAY or SHOULD be done. I will offer my opinions if asked. Some bosses are very laidback, others are the opposite. o-) dan From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 12:16:26 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> Johanna Nilsson - LUB NetLab 08/15/97 03:08am >>> There are also web-based tools for this, like Doctor HTML , which I think is handy and useful. ------------- True, those are available and are generally free. However, I'd rather spend a few bucks for the right tool for the job. Also, when you're using a remote service, you're slowed down by the extra traffic to an often-busy server. Plus, standalone tools generally give you MANY more options on what is checked, how it is checked, what kinds of reports you get, etc, etc. I've used some of the remote ones and they just don't compare to products that can run on your desktop for a few bucks. ============= I haven't seen those shareware things though, maybe there are differences in functionality. ------------- I think you'll find that to be the case. I'd recommend trying several, including the one I like, and then making your own choice based on need, price, etc. good luck dan From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Aug 15 12:33:27 1997 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Controlling Printing with NT 4.0 Message-ID: <970815123327.a3c58@sals.edu> We bought an HP LaserJet 5M (heavy duty, prints a 65-page .pdf in 5 min.) for our new NT Web PCs. We plan to put it at a service desk and have money collected before the printouts are released. While the honor system has worked reasonably well for our old dot matrix printers, we are trying to avoid unnecessary waste from large files ("I didn't want the entire IRS Code!") and unwanted multiple copies. First I thought about setting the printer on pause, and releasing it on demand. That doesn't give you control over individual print jobs, however. Then I created Staff and Public queues. The Staff queue operates normally, the Public one holds everything until 2 a.m. By clicking on an item in the queue and changing the radio button back to "No time restrictions," we could only get printouts which were really needed and paid for, with minimal effort. This looked promising, but when I actually tried it, I got an error message because the virtual printer itself was still set to 2 a.m. Darn, I thought it looked too good to be true! So, is there a way around this? Or, is there an easy way to redirect individual jobs from one queue to another? The explanations of redirection I've read assume it's intended in cases where one printer is no longer available. Thanks for any suggestions. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 15 12:38:05 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970815113805.007a73a0@vms.csd.mu.edu> >Well, I delete them. If I mail deadlinks to someone and don't >hear from them in two weeks (of course I make sure they >aren't on vacation or away for some other reason), I remove >them from the page. >-------------- >prospective authors). Since the errors, dead and moved >links, etc, are all in the reports, fixing their own pages is up to >them. I'm not their boss, so if they don't update it is up to >their boss to fuss at them if things look bad for their >department. Since my name and mailto are on the pages >that I maintain, and not anyone else's, it isn't my problem. >There are MANY advantages in not being in charge, not >controlling, not being the boss. "t'aint my problem" I can see your point of view, however, I look at it from the users perspective. It takes me about 10 min. to delete the deadlinks. I'm doing it for the users, not for the page creator's or my own benefit. The user doesn't care about whatever internal crap is going in on in terms of who is taking care of their pages or who isn't. Perhaps I'm doing too much, but I care about how our library is represented in the online world, so I'm willing to do the extra work. Sheryl Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 13:19:50 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply Message-ID: >>> Andrea Duda 08/14/97 04:05pm >>> People have suggested several ideas regarding the maintenance of web pages: - pages should include the name of the person responsible for the page -------- Yes. We require this to include a mailto: link, and also an automatic date last updated. =========== - use tools like MOMSpider or CyberSpyder to generate lists of broken links ------------- Absolutely. ============ - use library assistants or student assistants to mark up pages -------------- We don't do that. If you provide the librarians with actual WYSIWYG tools (we use Word97, FrontPage97 and 98, and a couple of others), they'll be able to do all that most need or want to do with no problems. The easy tools and NOT teaching HTML have greatly assisted us in getting people to produce web pages. This has been particularly the case with Intranet pages, where anybody can take a document (most older stuff needing updating is in WP5.1 to WP6.1) and load it into Word97, save it as HTML, clean it up a bit if needed, and then save it onto their "Y drive", which is a consistent mapping for each person's webspace. I only need to make links to "homepages" or higher level pages that I maintain. Once a department or individual has a "homepage" they are in charge of maintaining all of their own content, and I just run monthly linkchecks. All pages are active once they link them, and they maintain them in realtime without having to worry about FTPing or anything else. It makes it so simple that over half the staff is doing so now, for both internal and external content. And I'm able to get on with other things besides doing content for Intranet or Internet pages. ============== - use resources like the Scout Report to learn about new sources ---------------- I tell people abou these and it is up to them to use them or not. I occasionally forward potentially useful URLs that I note here or on other lists to the appropriate people. In many ways it is just like collection development activities. ========== But there are a few people who say they don't have time to look at the reports and do anything with them. What do you do then? --------------- I leave that up to their managers. Since they are THEIR pages with THEIR names on them, I don't worry about it. =========== But in some cases, the pages are still basically abandoned by the people who created them. ------------------ If some pages seem truly abandoned, I'll ask the appropriate manager whether it should be removed. Someday we may get a "Web Advisory Committee" or something else that may have power or control. That could be good or bad. Until then, I'll let managers decide what to do about these problems. dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 13:36:55 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Maintenance is so booooooooooring -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> Sheryl Dwinell 08/15/97 10:38am >>> >There are MANY advantages in not being in charge, not >controlling, not being the boss. "t'aint my problem" I can see your point of view, however, I look at it from the users perspective. It takes me about 10 min. to delete the deadlinks. I'm doing it for the users, not for the page creator's or my own benefit. The user doesn't care about whatever internal crap is going in on in terms of who is taking care of their pages or who isn't. -------------- I agree with that, but if I tried to do everything that I thought the users need, I'd need to clone myself several times. Since I'm more than webmaster (I also do CD for four depts, all library computer training and planning, work 5 hours a week at Reference, am involved in general administration, etc), I've finally had to accept that I can't do it all in the 50-60 hours a week I work. =========== Perhaps I'm doing too much, but I care about how our library is represented in the online world, so I'm willing to do the extra work. -------------- That's great, and I'd never knock it. One thing I've learned over the years is that individuals' priorities change depending on the job, the manager, the place they are in life (age, kids or not, married or not, other interests and activities), and so forth. And only you can decide when too much is too much. cheers dan From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Fri Aug 15 12:05:29 1997 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Re: Printing from Laser Printers and whether to charge or not. The solution we have been using(after we wrestled with all the related issues sourrounding charging for print-outs) is to use recycled paper in our lasers for the patrons. Like everyone else, we generate piles of "scrap" paper that goes to the recycle bin. We cull through the paper and anything that isn't sensitive is reused for the patrons. A little note with the recycle symbol lets the patrons know that using recycled paper allows them to get free print-outs. I haven't had a complaint yet. If a patron needs a "clean" print-out, we do have a few stations that print to a printer that uses "virgin" paper. We have yet to have a complaint and it has really cut down on our paper costs that were getting out of hand. Now, we are a smaller library and this may or may not work for those in larger institutional settings. It is an alternative that has worked for us though and it has saved us both money and aggrevation(which is used in other areas!). Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI From bernies at uillinois.edu Fri Aug 15 13:57:30 1997 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers Message-ID: > >There's an interesting op-ed piece in the new issue >of the Chronicle of Higher Education. The article is >titled "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' >Research Papers", and is written by David >Rothenberg, an associate professor of philosophy at >the New Jersey Institute of Technology. It's in the >"Point of View" section (p. A44) of the 8/15/97 issue. > >Rothenberg bemoans students' use of Web resources >as an easy and less-than-desirable way to gather >information for research papers. While part of his position >is based on the usual arguments about the quality of >resources found on the Web, he also notes that >students seem to be using books less and less, in >favor of readily available articles and other sources. > >While Rothenberg, as a professor, takes "much of the >blame for the decline in the quality of student research" >in his classes, he also assigns a portion of the blame >to libraries. At one point he notes "Of course, you can't >blame the students for ignoring books. When college >libraries are diverting funds from books to computer >technology that will be obsolete in two years at most, >they send a clear message to students: Don't read, >just connect. Surf. Download. Cut and paste." > >He also states: "Libraries used to be repositories of >words and ideas. Now they are seen as centers for >the retrieval of information. Some of this information >comes from other, bigger libraries, in the form of >books that can take time to obtain through interlibrary >loan. What happens to the many students...who >scramble to write a paper the night before it's due? >The computer screen, the gateway to the world >sitting right on their desks, promises instant access-- >but actually offers only a pale, two-dimensional >version of a real library." > >Bernie Sloan > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >338 Henry Administration Building >506 S. Wright Street >Urbana, IL 61801 >Phone: 217-333-4895 >Fax: 217-333-6355 >e-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 14:32:26 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Andrew J. Mutch" 08/15/97 12:12pm >>> Re: Printing from Laser Printers and whether to charge or not. The solution we have been using(after we wrestled with all the related issues sourrounding charging for print-outs) is to use recycled paper in our lasers for the patrons. Like everyone else, we generate piles of "scrap" paper that goes to the recycle bin. We cull through the paper and anything that isn't sensitive is reused for the patrons. A little note with the recycle symbol lets the patrons know that using recycled paper allows them to get free print-outs. I haven't had a complaint yet. If a patron needs a "clean" print-out, we do have a few stations that print to a printer that uses "virgin" paper. We have yet to have a complaint and it has really cut down on our paper costs that were getting out of hand. ------------------ Most interesting idea. But we generate several large barrels of recycle a week, and I doubt that we'd find it worth doing. Since the paper for lasers costs us about $.0039 a sheet, I'd think the labor would cost us much more. Also, most of us have found that recycled paper, even if perfectly flat, jams much more often in laser printers. In fact, since we've struggled with paperjams in other laser printers on staff desktops, we've advised them NOT to use recycled paper in laser printers, particularly in high speed ones. It has caused us more trouble than it is worth. Also, HP recommends (as do many other mfgrs) to NOT use recycled paper for two reasons: 1) Paper jams and worse 2) having the back side print of whatever type transferring onto rollers, requiring expensive cleaning/maintenance. #2 is NOT true if it is a duplex printer. I'm glad you brought it up. I'll keep it in mind in case the cost becomes too much of an issue. dan From newworld at bagley.polaristel.net Fri Aug 15 15:20:30 1997 From: newworld at bagley.polaristel.net (Chuck Waibel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers Message-ID: <199708151927.OAA08459@orion.means.net> > >There's an interesting op-ed piece in the new issue > >of the Chronicle of Higher Education. The article is > >titled "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' > >Research Papers", and is written by David > >Rothenberg, I'm afraid that the quality of research papers is most strongly influenced by the attitudes of and instructions from professors and teachers. This being the case, such unconnected assertions and Straw Man-ing as this fellow engages in are a big source of the problem. > >he also notes that > >students seem to be using books less and less, in > >favor of readily available articles and other sources. Didn't we invent libraries to be sources of "readily available" information? > "Of course, you can't > >blame the students for ignoring books. When college > >libraries are diverting funds from books to computer > >technology that will be obsolete in two years at most, > >they send a clear message to students: Don't read, > >just connect. Surf. Download. Cut and paste." I remember High School, when many teachers disallowed any information garnered from an encyclopedia, for apparently the same reasons. Why is information that was hard to find more valuable than that found easily? We're supposed to teach people to THINK, not turn pages faster. The more information a student can lay his hands on, the more he has to think about and with. Perhaps the problem is that it's harder to teach thinking than how to use a card catalog. > >He also states: "Libraries used to be repositories of > >words and ideas. Now they are seen as centers for > >the retrieval of information. Some of this information > >comes from other, bigger libraries, in the form of > >books that can take time to obtain through interlibrary > >loan. What happens to the many students...who > >scramble to write a paper the night before it's due? > >The computer screen, the gateway to the world > >sitting right on their desks, promises instant access-- > >but actually offers only a pale, two-dimensional > >version of a real library." This sounds like the argument that the only true books are those made by scribes, that no "real" library would soil itself with mere printed books. We rejoice today that this technology lets us show students a world of Information that is alive and vibrant and planetary. There have always been procrastinating students, but has Mr. Rothenberg ever seen the transcendent glow on the face of a student who realizes that the facts he needs are immediately available, that he doesn't have to interrupt his train of thought for days or weeks? Mr. Roth's concerns are valid, and I am sure his intent is good, but in this case he's "browsing the wrong URL." Regards, Chuck Waibel From britton.4 at osu.edu Fri Aug 15 15:23:47 1997 From: britton.4 at osu.edu (Constance J. Britton) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815152342.00687160@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost more than paper supplies. Connie Britton Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center At 11:12 AM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Re: Printing from Laser Printers and whether to charge or not. > >The solution we have been using(after we wrestled with all the related >issues sourrounding charging for print-outs) is to use recycled paper in >our lasers for the patrons. > >Like everyone else, we generate piles of "scrap" paper that goes to the >recycle bin. We cull through the paper and anything that isn't sensitive >is reused for the patrons. A little note with the recycle symbol lets the >patrons know that using recycled paper allows them to get free print-outs. >I haven't had a complaint yet. If a patron needs a "clean" print-out, we >do have a few stations that print to a printer that uses "virgin" paper. >We have yet to have a complaint and it has really cut down on our paper >costs that were getting out of hand. > >Now, we are a smaller library and this may or may not work for those in >larger institutional settings. It is an alternative that has worked for >us though and it has saved us both money and aggrevation(which is used in >other areas!). > >Andrew Mutch >Northville District Library >Northville, MI > > > > From sbauer at ccnet.com Fri Aug 15 15:43:29 1997 From: sbauer at ccnet.com (Scott Bauer) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Web Page Maintenance (was: Maintenance is so booooooooooring) Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Andrea Duda wrote: >We're already doing these things. For example, we run CyberSpyder >monthly to look for bad links. (The newest version of it is quite nice!) >I send the reports off to the people responsible for those pages. In >most cases, people check the links and update their pages. But there are >a few people who say they don't have time to look at the reports and do >anything with them. What do you do then? Andrea, If the person responsible for maintaining the page(s) does not have the time for it anymore, perhaps you both can agree on someone to take it over from them (that does have the time, interest and ability for it.) Or if the page is otherwise of incredible value, perhaps it could be assigned to an "archive" area (where it is made plain to users of the site that some of the links/information on the page are outdated.) If these or other intermediate solutions can not be agreed on, I believe that what you need to do at this point is to "weed" the page by taking it off the server (or taking off the link if the page is on another site.) Internal politics-wise, this may be tough to do -- but why should an outdated web page be different from an outdated book? If the information is no longer valid (and if, in the case of web pages, it also very publicly reflects badly on the library), then it needs to be dropped. You should, of course, give the author/maintainer of the page warning that this is the action that will occur if they don't update the page by whatever time-limit you set. But when that deadline is missed, the page needs to go. (Perhaps when the page actually disappears there may be action taken to fix it. In which case, it will be put back.) > =========================================================== > Andrea L. Duda > Networked Information Access Coordinator > Davidson Library, University of California, Santa Barbara > E-mail: duda@library.ucsb.edu > InfoSurf: http://www.library.ucsb.edu > =========================================================== Scott Bauer sbauer@ccnet.com OR sbauer@mail.contra-costa.lib.ca.us Contra Costa County Library [DISCLAIMER: I claim these words are my own. DATCLAIMER: DVD is next.] From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 15 16:36:58 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970815153658.007ae100@vms.csd.mu.edu> I wish all professors were as enthusiastic about books in libraries as Professor Rothenberg. There are plenty of them out there who seldom come into libraries and don't make an effort to encourage their students to come to non-mandatory BI sessions. It's part of the teaching mission to encourage students to perform research in appropriate ways. Librarians teach lots of classes and tell students ad naseum that they won't find everything in the universe on the Web. I can't imagine there are librarians out there telling students that the Web is the best way to do research. How can it be our fault if they don't take our advice? We have lots of classes that have minimal attendance. We make the effort. These students are adults. If they choose not to attend, what are librarians supposed to do. And what role does our society play in all this. We have a generation (I'll include myself in there) raised on instant gratification and doing the least effort to achieve a desired result. Doesn't it seem natural that a kid waiting till the last minute to do a paper would log onto a full-text database on the library's web site instead of hiking it to the library? So, how do you change these attitudes? I wonder how much time the professor in question spends talking about research techniques and setting up class sessions with a librarian to discuss research methods. In terms of spending money on technology vs. books, it's a great challenge. I don't know of many academic libraries with a bounty of money to spend on both. Journals, particularly in the sciences inflate by astounding sums every year. We have to make very difficult decisions about what to buy, the rest we rely on ILL and document delivery. Even before we had PCs in the library we had to endure complaints about which journals we carried. It's an economic reality, whether we spend lots of computers or not. Libraries are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we don't get the technology, we're accused of being behind the times and failing to serve the information needs of students. We're told by the digerati that we'll soon be extinct. If we use some portion of our limited funds to get this technology, then we're accused of ignoring books. What can ya do. :) Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From day at indiana.edu Fri Aug 15 16:40:39 1997 From: day at indiana.edu (Dorothy Day) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > > >Rothenberg bemoans students' use of Web resources > >as an easy and less-than-desirable way to gather > >information for research papers. While part of his position > >is based on the usual arguments about the quality of > >resources found on the Web, he also notes that > >students seem to be using books less and less, in > >favor of readily available articles and other sources. > > > >While Rothenberg, as a professor, takes "much of the > >blame for the decline in the quality of student research" > >in his classes, he also assigns a portion of the blame > >to libraries. At one point he notes "Of course, you can't > >blame the students for ignoring books. When college > >libraries are diverting funds from books to computer > >technology that will be obsolete in two years at most, > >they send a clear message to students: Don't read, > >just connect. Surf. Download. Cut and paste." > > This sounds entirely too much like the much-repeated claim in the early days of the Macintosh that students who produced their papers on a Mac did a more superficial, though prettier, job of it. Real research and writing was claimed to be produced by those using DOS wordprocessors. The flimsy "study" on which these claims were based was subsequently debunked, and folks got back to teaching research and writing without too much reference to the particular tools used to bang out the final text. We live in a world where instant gratification is promoted all around us. Students arrive with many attitudes already firmly solidified. It's the hard job of teaching, in the classroom or at the reference desk, that instant information is not always the "best" information--that it has to be weighed and sifted and evaluated, just as any more hard-won obscure source must be, before incorporation into the overall research project. We win some, we lose some. > >He also states: "Libraries used to be repositories of > >words and ideas. Now they are seen as centers for > >the retrieval of information. Some of this information > >comes from other, bigger libraries, in the form of > >books that can take time to obtain through interlibrary > >loan. What happens to the many students...who > >scramble to write a paper the night before it's due? > >The computer screen, the gateway to the world > >sitting right on their desks, promises instant access-- > >but actually offers only a pale, two-dimensional > >version of a real library." > > And before terminals appeared in the library, many students scrambled for the requisite 3-5 articles, of whatever easiest provenance, content value unquestioned, to write that paper due the next day. So what else is new? I had a university professor who railed against marking up books--not because it damaged the books, but because it amounted to "painting the information out of one's mind," as opposed to careful notetaking and digesting. We all choose our shortcuts, and information overload impels us to more of them. If I took notes on several dozen books and articles, I could review those notes in a single notebook or box of notecards. If I now read many dozens of sources, I'd rather have my notes and markings right on the text itself, rather than lost somewhere. That professor would be appalled... ***** Dorothy Day School of Library and Information Science Indiana University day@indiana.edu ***** "He also surfs who only sits and waits." From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 15 17:39:16 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: SWISH-Enhanced 1.0 Released Message-ID: SWISH-Enhanced: Fast, Free, and Flexible Web Site Indexing http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/ The UC Berkeley Library has just released version 1.0 of SWISH-Enhanced, a powerful and yet easy to setup and use Web site search engine. SWISH-E is an upgraded version of the popular SWISH software that has been freely available for years from Enterpise Integration Technologies. The author of the software (Kevin Hughes) gave permission to the UC Berkeley Library to implement bug fixes and major new enhancements, such as support for HTML META tags. The UC Berkeley Library has also programmed a front-end interface to SWISH-Enhanced called AutoSwish that provides one-click indexing of any site or subdirectory by anyone authorized to create indexes on that site. It has never been easier to provide a group of Web authors with a powerful search capability. It runs under UNIX (tested on Sun Solaris and Digital UNIX) and AutoSwish requires Perl. SWISH-E's support of HTML META tags now makes it possible to "catalog" your Web site, using either developing standards such as the Dublin Core or a scheme of your own devising. Even the most complex indexes can be easily created by filling out a one-page Web form and allowing AutoSwish to take care of the rest. SWISH-E indexes can also be maintained or removed by any authorized user who accesses the AutoSwish maintenance Web page. The SWISH-E Web site has demonstrations, information and more. We have also established a SWISH-E electronic discussion for answering questions and posting updates or useful auxiliary programs. Roy Tennant Digital Library SunSITE UC Berkeley Library From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Fri Aug 15 19:12:02 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: Interesting food for thought, but my answer is basically "so what"? See more comments below, in bold. There's an interesting op-ed piece in the new issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education. The article is titled "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' Research Papers", and is written by David Rothenberg, an associate professor of philosophy at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. It's in the "Point of View" section (p. A44) of the 8/15/97 issue. Note that it is an op-ed piece, not a research study. Any one of us is capable of doing the same thing. Rothenberg bemoans students' use of Web resources as an easy and less-than-desirable way to gather information for research papers. While part of his position is based on the usual arguments about the quality of resources found on the Web, he also notes that students seem to be using books less and less, in favor of readily available articles and other sources. None of this is new. Plagiarism, having others write your papers, term paper services, using inadequate resources, and so forth have been around as long as papers have been assigned. At least the students MAY be doing more of their own work. Web resources have the same variable quality as print resources. Many forget that fact since resources are pre-selected before going on library shelves, but are not pre-selected on the web except on web pages like those done by Carol Oakes and others. While Rothenberg, as a professor, takes "much of the blame for the decline in the quality of student research" That is mighty decent of him, since the professor is the ONE that is ultimately responsible for the students, their research, and their writing. in his classes, he also assigns a portion of the blame to libraries. At one point he notes "Of course, you can't blame the students for ignoring books. When college libraries are diverting funds from books to computer technology that will be obsolete in two years at most, they send a clear message to students: Don't read, just connect. Surf. Download. Cut and paste." Nonsense. The professor still controls what the students do, not the librarians. We've always had students come in with dumb assignments. Any prof could say "no web citations allowed". The libraries respond to the needs of the students and faculty. Just because one old school philosopher thinks the web or technology are bad doesn't make it so. He also states: "Libraries used to be repositories of words and ideas. They still are, even if he has been blinded by the glare of monitors. The same books are in the same stacks, particularly in philosophy and other humanities. Now they are seen as centers for the retrieval of information. Some of this information comes from other, bigger libraries, in the form of books that can take time to obtain through interlibrary loan. Huh? They've always been centers for retrieval of info and still are, even if some of the tools and techniques have changed. Even if he longs for the good ol' card cat, it was a replacement for older forms of catalogs, and was heretical when Dewey first proposed and implemented it. And libraries have had ILL for many decades. Read old LJs from the thirties and earlier and see the early ILL copies by photographic techniques, both microfilm and "print". He's at a relatively small library in New Jersey, and most likely does ILLs, unless he regularly drives down to Columbia or Harvard or Rutgers or somewhere else. As far as I know most philosophers don't just contemplate their navels like he appears to have done here. What happens to the many students...who scramble to write a paper the night before it's due? Same as always: 1) Whine to librarians just before closing time. 2) Throw some lousy crap from idiot sources together and turn it in. 3) Most likely get a D or F on this masterpiece. Electronic resources won't do much for these losers unless they completely plagiarize some web page. The computer screen, the gateway to the world sitting right on their desks, promises instant access-- but actually offers only a pale, two-dimensional version of a real library." Indeed it lacks wooden shelves, ivy, fine leather bound volumes, silence at all times, and aged spinster librarians in orthopedic sneakers with their hair in a bun. Many libraries in the country and the world lack those same things. Lacking some of them is a bit sad to those of old enough to reminisce about the "olden days before computers". However, limiting ourselves to no ILL, trying to buy every book anyone wants, or never using computers would be terminally foolish. Even the "real library" he used as an undergrad back when was very different from earlier "real libraries" with chained books or scrolls or stone tablets. Times change, and people need to do so too if they want healthy survival in changing times. dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 15 19:18:56 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: GII Awards, call for entries Message-ID: I am passing this along on behalf of Jean Armour Polly: ------------------------------------------- Global Information Infrastructure Awards Nominate a project: Please let me know who you are, name of project, and contact e-mail address for the project. Sites have until Aug. 27 to complete the online entry forms. . Here is the definition of the two categories I am working on. Definitions of the other categories are at the GII web site. CHILDREN: Uses of the information infrastructure that have direct benefit to the well-being of children, aged 17 or younger. Uses, for example, that educate, empower or entertain children or that benefit children by providing services or support to parents or professionals responsible for the welfare of children. PUBLIC ACCESS: Projects, programs, activities, venues that increase or improve the public's access to and use of the information infrastructure; that make access easier, more affordable, more valuable to the public. best regards, Jean Armour Polly Boilerplate follows: The GII Awards are the only independent Awards program recognizing uses of the Internet and Information Technology across industries. From electronic commerce to entertainment and education to healthcare, the Awards provides the premier forum for recognizing and promoting new models and best practices in use of the Internet and network technology. For more information on the GII Awards program, please visit the site at . WHY ENTER? 1. Recognition that comes with being a finalist or a winner in the program attracts new opportunities and resources. 2. You'll become part of a dynamic learning community that is defining excellence and best practices in the Communications Age. 3. By sharing your knowledge and experiences, you'll contribute directly to society's advancement in the evolving information age. 4. You'll gain recognition from your peers and government, industry and community leaders as well as exposure in major press. What we're looking for: applications that dramatically demonstrate the power and potential of networked communications technology. The 1997 GII US Awards Call for Entries (deadline: August 27) is officially underway. Please don't delay and miss out on this incredible opportunity. 11 AWARD CATEGORIES Arts & Entertainment, Commerce, Children, Community, Education, Health, Government, Next Generation, Promise and Public Access. See for category definitions. TO ENTER 1. Fill out the "Enter Now" button on the GII Awards homepage found at . 2. Fill out all required forms a. Entry form-all required fields b. Entry Release Form c. Hard-copy backup of Entry form sent to GII Awards Attn.: Janette Mungai at 303 Vintage Park Drive, Foster City 94404 CALL FOR ENTRIES: July 7 - August 27, 1997 The Global Information Infrastructure (GII) Awards program is dedicated to helping people reach new levels of prosperity, community, and health in the Communications Age by learning from others whose efforts and accomplishments serve as models of excellence. The GII Awards is currently the world's leading forum to define, recognize, and promote best practices and new models in the application of Internet and network technology. Jean Armour Polly, Net-mom mom@netmom.com 4146 Barker Hill Rd. Jamesville, NY 13078 +1 315 469 8670 -4 UTC http://www.netmom.com/ west coast mirror: http://www.well.com/user/polly Author, The Internet Kids and Family Yellow Pages, 2nd Edition Osborne McGraw-Hill (June 12, 1997) Net-mom is a Registered Service Mark of Jean Armour Polly. From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Aug 15 23:03:14 1997 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:26 2005 Subject: Setting NT Directory Permissions Message-ID: <970815230314.9fb26@sals.edu> As a followup to the recent discussion about security on public NT workstations, I'd like to pass along something I saw on WINNT-L. If you're setting up multiple machines, you can save a lot of time by using a script or batch file to set the directory and file permissions. Creating that batch file can also take a while, and I was glad to see a ready-made one posted to the list. You may access it in the list archives at: http://206.241.12.4/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9708b&L=winnt-l&O=T&P=59080 or if that doesn't work, check the list archives at http://206.241.12.4/archives/winnt-l.html, call up "August 1997, week 2" and go to the third message about "NT in a lab environment." Note that the scripts are contained in an attachment and if you (like me) use an older mail system, you may need a MIME decoder. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From vladimir at mercury.eastview.com Sun Aug 17 11:03:18 1997 From: vladimir at mercury.eastview.com (Vladimir Strezhnev) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: HTTP Server with built-in indexing References: <198108160229.VAA01818@mail.eastview.com> Message-ID: <33F712B6.F6270B1E@mercury.eastview.com> > The best of all is WN http sever > Its built-in indexing is way more advanced then SWISH > And it also free. > Our web site (http://www.eastview.com) is based on it > and we are happy with it. > > Check http://hopf.math.nwu.edu for more info > ? Here are two+ questions in reference to this subject. > ? 1) Has anybody used the built-in indexing in Netscape's Enterprise > ? Server? > ? a)If so, are you sataisfied with its results? > ? > ? 2) What server are you using and does it have its own indexing > ? capabilities? > ? a)If so, are you sataisfied with its results? > ? From BryanTyson at aol.com Sun Aug 17 14:08:14 1997 From: BryanTyson at aol.com (BryanTyson@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply Message-ID: <970817140813_-386413033@emout17.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-08-16 02:39:34 EDT, Connie writes: << Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost more than paper supplies. >> This is the first time I've heard of this. Can others confirm that this is true? **************************************** Bryan S. Tyson Tech. Svcs. Dept. J.S. Mack Library Bob Jones University Greenville SC 29614 BryanTyson@aol.com **************************************** From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Sun Aug 17 15:31:08 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: CD-ROM See! CD-ROM-Do!: The Incorporation of CD-ROM Functionality into Web and non-Web Public Access Systems Message-ID: <9708171932.AA22412@library.berkeley.edu> CD-ROM See! CD-ROM-Do! : The Incorporation of CD-ROM Functionality into Web and non-Web Public Access Systems For my concluding review of 'neo-conventional' thesauri, I am interested in learning about Web or non-Web public access systems that incorporate or implement significant functionality from current or past CD-ROM software systems into current online public access systems (e.g. OPACs) that is not _typical_ of such Web or non-Web systems. A good example would be the Wilsondisc which through its Neighbor (NBR) display and search field qualifiers allows the user to browse _segments_ of a subject or corporate heading. Apparently most online vendors do not implement this functionality in the Wilson databases in mainframe and/or other platforms. The whole string is the searchable/browsable unit _not_ the segment(s). In his outstanding study _Intelligent Interfaces and Retrieval Methods For Subject Searching in Bibliographic Retrieval Systems_ prepared for the Library of Congress (1989), Charles Hildreth highlights a number of 'contextual subject' approaches that enhance 'improved browsing and related-item navigation facilities' many of which were to be found in advanced [and not-so-advanced] CD-ROM [and small-vendor systems e.g. TINlib]] software of the 1980s. BTW: IMHO this study offers incredible vision of system functionality that we are only now understanding and appreciating! It's well worth The Read! To my knowledge, the OVID system is one CD-ROM system that has the greatest range of functionality that has been migrated to a Web environment. OVID-like systems are of interest as are Web and non-Web based systems that have implemented the best of CD-ROM functionality particularly any and all elements of enhanced browsability. [I am acquainted with WEBSPIRS - it too like WebOvid is Neat-Oh!] As always, any and all leads, comments, critiques, criticisms, conclusions, or contrary points of view will be much appreciated. Thanks Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Steal from the Past" With Apologies to Peter Drucker P.S. Thanks too CS for suggesting the CD-ROM route From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Sun Aug 17 20:51:07 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: More electronic ref Message-ID: <970817205107.2020054a@main.morris.org> July-Aug Morris County e-ref questions and answers are up at http://scils.rutgers.edu/~saraweis/more.html Predictably, with summer, increase in home buying/moving questions. From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au Sun Aug 17 21:48:26 1997 From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: Apologies for cross posting but this may be of interest to a number of lists. The web enabled library catalogue raises a wide range of new opportunities. One of them is ability to enhance online access to the content of journals by linking from a catalogue entry to a document delivery services for that journal. Naturally you would do that for titles that the library did not own rather than those that it did. This essay explores the issues involved in this idea and how this might be done. We are used to the situation where a library either owns material or the material is obtained from another library. In the case of journals this is in the form of photocopies. The advent of the network has made some changes in this approach. For instance by the use of the original Ariel system to use tftp, then ftp for transmission and now mime based email. New opportunities are offered by services which give article level delivery via web access and a variety of means of delivery (mainly http). Such services are Uncover, the Blackwell's Navigator service and Ebscohost and those from individual publishers such as Academic press. So far none of these services have impinged greatly on what is being done with the catalogue. With the arrival web based OPACS this is changing. Tentative first steps have been made to add URL links in the OPAC to full text versions of journals via the 856 MARC tag. Users of the catalogue can then use a web browser to search , find the title, and then link to the full text. In this way the delivery of the text is integrated with the searching for the title. While the library then does no need to hold a hard copy version of the title concerned we have see that for many publishers access to the electronic version is conditional upon a print subscription. This can only be a transition solution. At some stage all publishers will need to look much harder at solely electronic access to their serial publications. OPAC links to document delivery services It is possible to go further than this. A link from the record could be made not to the publisher, but to a document delivery services. This would be particularly valuable if the link was to a full table of contents service. The use of the catalogue could then link from the catalogue entry to a menu of the table of contents of the journal on the suppliers web server. There the required article could be located and transferred either direct to the browser, via email or through some other means. In this way a library would be able to provide an access service to journals that it did not hold or held a subscription. There is the vexed question of payment. The user my pay or the library may have arranged some form of subsidy. Uncover already provides a service where a library can subsidise access for users from their domain so precedents exist for such a service. The ideal would be for a link to a table of contents service for the journal as described above. Alternatevely a searching mechanism for papers published in the journal would be a possibility . This can only be done if the service offers a stable URL to each title. Unfortunately existing services all appear to offer HTTP POST based services where the search arguments are not encoded in the URL or state maintaining transaction variables, which change each session, are used. A change in the way document delivery services are currently offered over the web might be needed. Ideally you would be able to access such a service via a URL of the form - http://document_delivery_service.com/ISSN/123456789 where "123456789" would be the ISSN of the title. Is the library catalogue only about holdings? ============================================= A philosophical objection might be raised by some about whether it is appropriate to use the library catalogue to describe material not held by the library. The resolution to this is held in deciding whether the purpose of the catalogue is to deliver information or to describe information artifacts held by a library. An allied question relates to the use of the 856 MARC field. This is intended to indicate the location of an electronic document. The way I have described its use, it is being addressed as a mechanism one step removed from the location of the document. Definitional purists might feel that additional tags are required in the MARC record to allow for such alternate usage. How could such a service could be offered? ========================================== It is all very well to postulate such a service but the labour of adding serial catalogue records is a significant cost to cataloguing operations. Is there an easier way? A possible approach is described below. * The library would supply the vendor with a list of their current serial holdings * The vendor would match this against the titles they offer and supply the library with a list of titles the library did not hold. * The library would then select the titles which interested them indicating, if appropriate, differential subsidy options. That is, whether they wish to subsidies access to some titles for users from their institution or all of them. * The vendor would then supply MARC records for the titles chosen with URLs to their service in the 856 field which the library would load into its web enabled OPAC. The end result is that the catalogue would contain records for additional serial titles of interest to the library's patrons to which it did not to subscribe. There may be no subscription either because of the staff costs of checkin, binding, claiming etc or due to high subscription price or both. These entries in the catalogue would then provide direct user access to the contents of the journals. The end users get easier access and hopefully cheaper access to titles which the library could not provide other than through laborious inter-library loans services An updated version of this paper will be maintained at - http://ningaui.anu.edu.au/e-says/docdel.opac.shtml Tony Barry Mon, 18 Aug 1997 _____________________________________________________________ mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 6 249 5688 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry |+61 6 288 0959 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA Apologise for the stolen generation - From tkrohn at timberland.lib.wa.us Mon Aug 18 00:25:42 1997 From: tkrohn at timberland.lib.wa.us (Thirza Krohn) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:28 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply In-Reply-To: <970817140813_-386413033@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Our computer person advised against reusing paper also. From my personal experience, I can say that there were definitely more paper jams when we re-used paper. The paper was more likely to wrinkle and many times several pieces were pulled through at the same time, with a sentence on the top of each page. Very annoying! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thirza Krohn Reference Librarian Centralia Timberland Library 110 S. Silver Centralia, WA 98531 email: tkrohn@timberland.lib.wa.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 BryanTyson@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-16 02:39:34 EDT, Connie writes: > > << Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against > reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently > very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost > more than paper supplies. >> > > This is the first time I've heard of this. Can others confirm that this is > true? > > **************************************** > Bryan S. Tyson > Tech. Svcs. Dept. > J.S. Mack Library > Bob Jones University > Greenville SC 29614 > BryanTyson@aol.com > **************************************** > From jjones at lib.bsu.edu Mon Aug 18 09:42:20 1997 From: jjones at lib.bsu.edu (Jim Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Netscape Printing Problems Message-ID: <199708181342.IAA20641@lib.bsu.edu> Subject: Re: Netscape printing problems Message-ID: > >Problem #1: "Document Contains No Data" or "No pages to print". This > >problem was addressed by Web4Lib back in March. These pages are > >generally cgi generated pages. It is possible to save these pages as > >HTML files, open them, and then print. Has anyone come up with another > >solution? Is it just a problem with the DeskJets or are those of you > >with other printers having the same problem? A good test site for this > My solution has been, go to Netscape 4. I've repeatedly had this problem > with version 3, even on simple text files! But I've never experienced it > under version 4. > > I have an HP LaserJet so it's definitely not just DeskJets, although it > may be something to do with HP drivers (though I doubt it). I have had this problem too. It also shows up on pages with frames a bunch, especially those created by a cgi script. This quickest fix is to click on an open space inside the page before printing. Hope this helps Jim From bruceh at csufresno.edu Mon Aug 18 10:22:15 1997 From: bruceh at csufresno.edu (Bruce Hinman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply In-Reply-To: <970817140813_-386413033@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I agree with the technicians statement below. I have been a computer technician for 20 years and I have worked with laser printers for the past ten years. Reused paper and recycled paper will cause problems in laser printers. Laser printers should be used in areas where speed, quantity, and quality are essential. They are not meant to save money. My opinion, based on experience. Bruce Hinman bruceh@csufresno.edu Library Equipment Technician (209) 278-6528 office Henry Madden Library (209) 278-6952 fax California State University Fresno, California On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 BryanTyson@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-16 02:39:34 EDT, Connie writes: > > << Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against > reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently > very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost > more than paper supplies. >> > > This is the first time I've heard of this. Can others confirm that this is > true? > > **************************************** > Bryan S. Tyson > Tech. Svcs. Dept. > J.S. Mack Library > Bob Jones University > Greenville SC 29614 > BryanTyson@aol.com > **************************************** > From wil at inf.uba.uva.nl Mon Aug 18 10:29:15 1997 From: wil at inf.uba.uva.nl (Wil Vree) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: meteringsoftware lancd Message-ID: <199708181429.PAA24929@inf.uba.uva.nl> We at the University Library of Amsterdam are in the possesion of a Logicraft CDServer with LANCD V3.1. That is for titles that dont run on Silverplatter (wich we offer via webspirs). We have over 30 titles cached to harddisk (about 30 GigaByte) - and made accessible to the campus. What I would like to know is if anybody has a construction like that and has found a reasonable priced solution for usage metering software for this type of setup. One of the problems we have is the distribution of the searchsoftware wichh differs per title and somtimes changes per update of the cdroms. We are looking for a way to centralize that. A solution could be to use Citrix Winframe as a server where the cdrom-searcheware does run. Another option is to go to the DiskPort Executive solution or another vendors solution like Fenwoods Ultranet. Does anyone have expirience with the Winframe solution or Diskport Executive also in relation to the metering software? regards, Wil Vree +-------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Ing. Wil Vree | e-mail: vree@uba.uva.nl | | Netwerk/systeembeheerder, webmaster, cdrommaster | | coordinator, Research & Development, R & B, C & W | | Universiteits Bibliotheek | | | Universiteit van Amsterdam | | | Singel 425 | telefoon: 020-525.2487 | | 1012 WP Amsterdam | fax: 020-525-2311 | +-------------------------------+--------------------------+ From jgoldsmi at rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca Mon Aug 18 11:03:19 1997 From: jgoldsmi at rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca (John_Goldsmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello All, I've heard it said that Socrates objected to writing and written language because students no longer needed the discipline of memorization which, Socrates lamented, would lead to a decline in scholarship. Time marches on. Guttenburg invents the printing press. "Scholars" react predictably. How could a mass producted, machine made book be as good as a hand copied one? Besides, now ANYONE could write a book and have it printed. Obviously this will lead to a decline in scholarship. Time marches on and so does technology - in the form of nibbed pens and pencils. Now students no longer had to sharpen their own quill pens. Scholars lamented the passing of this tradition and forcasted a decline in scholarship as a result. And so it goes, Perhaps there should be an ammendment to Newton's third law of motion to read: "To every advance in academic technology there is an equal and opposite 'scholastic' reaction. In a way, David Rothenberg, Neil Postman, Todd Oppenheimer and others are carrying on a noble Quixotesque tradition in their objections to the Internet - not that it really matters. These folks can no more stop or diminish the influence of the Internet on academic endeavors than the English King Canute could stop the tide. So, while Mr/Dr Rothenberg laments the decline of book usage, the rest of use are doing what we have always done - using the best tools available (be that a book, a CD-Rom, a journal, The Dead Sea Scrolls, cave paintings or the Internet) to accomplish our goals. Cheers, >> >>There's an interesting op-ed piece in the new issue >>of the Chronicle of Higher Education. The article is >>titled "How the Web Destroys the Quality of Students' >>Research Papers", and is written by David >>Rothenberg, an associate professor of philosophy at >>the New Jersey Institute of Technology. It's in the >>"Point of View" section (p. A44) of the 8/15/97 issue. >> >>Rothenberg bemoans students' use of Web resources >>as an easy and less-than-desirable way to gather >>information for research papers. While part of his position >>is based on the usual arguments about the quality of >>resources found on the Web, he also notes that >>students seem to be using books less and less, in >>favor of readily available articles and other sources. >> >>While Rothenberg, as a professor, takes "much of the >>blame for the decline in the quality of student research" >>in his classes, he also assigns a portion of the blame >>to libraries. At one point he notes "Of course, you can't >>blame the students for ignoring books. When college >>libraries are diverting funds from books to computer >>technology that will be obsolete in two years at most, >>they send a clear message to students: Don't read, >>just connect. Surf. Download. Cut and paste." >> >>He also states: "Libraries used to be repositories of >>words and ideas. Now they are seen as centers for >>the retrieval of information. Some of this information >>comes from other, bigger libraries, in the form of >>books that can take time to obtain through interlibrary >>loan. What happens to the many students...who >>scramble to write a paper the night before it's due? >>The computer screen, the gateway to the world >>sitting right on their desks, promises instant access-- >>but actually offers only a pale, two-dimensional >>version of a real library." >> >>Bernie Sloan >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>Bernie Sloan >>Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >>University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >>338 Henry Administration Building >>506 S. Wright Street >>Urbana, IL 61801 >>Phone: 217-333-4895 >>Fax: 217-333-6355 >>e-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu >> >> John Goldsmith, Fraser Valley Distance Education School http://www.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca e-mail: jgoldsmi@rainbow.fvrcs.gov.bc.ca From Mrlibrary at aol.com Mon Aug 18 11:23:38 1997 From: Mrlibrary at aol.com (Mrlibrary@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: The Web and Research Papers. Message-ID: <970818112046_47831921@emout18.mail.aol.com> I don't think there should be that much fear at this point of the web taking over research work. I cover some of this I did in a talk for the Untangle the Web Conference in Santa Barbara, California on April 26, 1997. The website is www.library.ucsb.edu/untangle/charton.html. In many ways the World Wide Web (and the Internet in general) is like Dodge City. It's a free for all. Since, no one really edits what people put up there, it is very much Caveat Empor. Buyer Beware. If you did your entire work from the web, all I can imagine is the high school teacher trying to conceal a smile to the student who has been one of many to do the same paper from Cliffs Notes. So I don't see scholarship going down the tube from the Web just yet. The Web will just add another element to it. Mike Charton Parsippany Public Library From webguru at gtu.edu Mon Aug 18 12:26:06 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: about [close cation] In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970816224706.006a9bfc@hknet.com> Message-ID: At 10:08 AM -0700 8/16/97, ???? wrote: >My library has some VHS tapes bought from the states and have the mark "cc" >on the tape packing. What does this mean and what kind of equipment to use >this? This means that the tapes have text of the dialog that can be displayed using a Closed Caption decoder. These days such technology is often built into TV sets so you may already have the equipment. Otherwise you need a seperate unit. This is a feature for the hearing impared that often shows up on tapes. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Mon Aug 18 13:12:51 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Data Mining of LC Authority File Database Message-ID: <9708181714.AA23074@library.berkeley.edu> Data Mining of LC Authority File Database For my concluding review of Data Mining and Knowledge Discovery in Databases, I am interested in learning about any and all efforts to apply any standard or non-standard Data Mining technique to the L of C Authority file database. For those new to Data Mining you may wish to visit my project description page at the following URL: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/4T9R.htm In addition you may wish to review several key articles that appeared in the _Communications of the ACM_ in November 1996 (v.39) Data Mining is an approach to seeks to identify non- explicit relationships among/between database that may offer a means of better utilize the data. In addition, any other efforts to massage the LCSH Authority File to reveal all of it's Hidden Meaning(s) [:->] would also be of interest. Efforts to Data Mine other Authority File Databases are also of interest. [I believe that Data Mining may be a means of identifying Information Facets within the Controlled Vocabulary structure] Thanks Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future Is To Invent!" Attributed to Peter Drucker From icsjpb at ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU Mon Aug 18 06:36:40 1997 From: icsjpb at ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU (John Barnard) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Survey of remote library users Message-ID: <33F825B8.4DD6@asuvm.inre.asu.edu> I'm preparing a survey of remote users (primarily distance education students) to find out what library services (especially online services) they use and need. I would appreciate knowing if anyone has done a similar survey or can point me to one. Please reply to me and not the list. TIA -- John Barnard Arizona State University Library Instruction, Systems, and Technology john.barnard@asu.edu  From SWEETING at frick.org Mon Aug 18 14:58:28 1997 From: SWEETING at frick.org (Sweeting, Floyd) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: An Internet Service Provider to host our website Message-ID: Colleagues, I am in the process of sending out an RFP for an Internet Service Provider to host our website. We are hosting our website offsite for a number of reasons, chiefly security, cost and ease of maintenance. Can anyone (particularly museums and museum libraries) recommend an ISP that you've found particularly good at hosting your website? Floyd Thomas Sweeting III, Head, Information Systems Department The Frick Collection and Frick Art Reference Library 10 E. 71st Street, New York, NY 10021 Tel: 212-288-0700 x289 Fax: 212-879-2091 From esummers at uiuc.edu Mon Aug 18 14:21:15 1997 From: esummers at uiuc.edu (Ed Summers) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Communicator Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970818142115.2d1f031a@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Hi Web4Lib: Does anyone have an idea why my copy of Communicator runs extremely slowly, constantly accessing the hard drive? It is "running" on a 486. / Ed Summers. From ras at nimbus.anzio.com Mon Aug 18 15:19:16 1997 From: ras at nimbus.anzio.com (Robert Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Notes on Anzio telnet for OPAC Message-ID: Please pardon multiple list postings. We have put together a document describing how telnet software can be used in a library setting, particularly for online public access PCs. It describes how Anzio Lite can be configured for this use, and it references a sample restricted Anzio Lite that can be downloaded and tested. The document is at http://www.anzio.com/docs/anziolib.html Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Mon Aug 18 16:07:27 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: An Internet Service Provider to host our website -Reply Message-ID: Since you're in a major metropolitan area, with a zillion ISPs and Web Presence Providers (many of whom are NOT ISPs but just do the web hosting business), I'd probably limit my search to local ones. That way you can go yell at them personally if need be (and it shouldn't). You can make local calls to them if needed. You can sue locally if you're both in the same jurisdiction (again, not likely, but.....) No, I don't plan my life around these rare occurrences, but I'd always go locally if possible, unless there is a reason NOT to, like BIG price differences. BTW, I feel same way about ISPs in general. Why give tons of money to some big out of town organization, if I can get the same thing locally for a similar price. cheers dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Mon Aug 18 16:09:03 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Communicator -Reply Message-ID: Probably low on RAM or disk, or both. And of course it will depend on your data line speed too, meaning the connection you REALLY have, as opposed to what the modem might theoretically do. As to the constant hard drive access, that sounds like inadequate RAM so it is hitting the swap file all the time. And that will certainly slow things down. dan >>> Ed Summers 08/18/97 01:29pm >>> Hi Web4Lib: Does anyone have an idea why my copy of Communicator runs extremely slowly, constantly accessing the hard drive? It is "running" on a 486. / Ed Summers. From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Mon Aug 18 16:20:32 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> 08/17/97 12:36pm >>> In a message dated 97-08-16 02:39:34 EDT, Connie writes: << Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost more than paper supplies. >> This is the first time I've heard of this. Can others confirm that this is true? **************************************** Bryan S. Tyson Tech. Svcs. Dept. HP LaserJet Printers say this in the manual, though I know many of us do not bother to Read The Fancy Manual. I believe most others do too. I also know from experience with a few users who refused to follow advice that you will indeed develop problems that are expensive to repair. dan From rpage at okway.okstate.edu Mon Aug 18 18:12:03 1997 From: rpage at okway.okstate.edu (Richard M. Page) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Public PC printers -Reply -Reply Message-ID: <9708188719.AA871938755@okway.okstate.edu> Hi! On the surface this seems like a logical argument, but I have a question. If this is so, shouldn't duplex printing present the very same problems? In my experience, all of the HP printers , when printing duplex, are essentially printing on paper that is "used," at least in the sense that these arguments are presented. Just something to ponder. --Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard M. Page | Voice (405) 744-5347 Head, Library Systems Department | Fax (405) 744-7579 224A Library, Oklahoma State University | Stillwater, OK 74078-1070 | E-Mail: rpage@okway.okstate.edu =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= http://el0455.lib.okstate.edu/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Public PC printers -Reply -Reply Author: at SMTP Date: 8/18/97 1:38 PM >>> 08/17/97 12:36pm >>> In a message dated 97-08-16 02:39:34 EDT, Connie writes: << Our computer technicians have strongly advised us against reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is apparently very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs may cost more than paper supplies. >> This is the first time I've heard of this. Can others confirm that this is true? **************************************** Bryan S. Tyson Tech. Svcs. Dept. HP LaserJet Printers say this in the manual, though I know many of us do not bother to Read The Fancy Manual. I believe most others do too. I also know from experience with a few users who refused to follow advice that you will indeed develop problems that are expensive to repair. dan From stover at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 18 18:11:55 1997 From: stover at ix.netcom.com (Mark Stover) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: <199708182211.RAA20971@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> To build on Tony Barry's interesting ideas about Web-enabled online library catalogs, I wanted to share our experience in adding value to the Web-based catalog. We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. Check it out at http://www.pgi.edu/libcat.htm Mark Stover ---------------------------- Mark Stover, Director of Library and Information Services Phillips Graduate Institute, 5445 Balboa Blvd., Encino, CA 91316 Phone: 818/386-5641 / Fax: 818/386-5699 / email: mstover@pgi.edu From gillikin at clark.net Mon Aug 18 18:18:57 1997 From: gillikin at clark.net (David Gillikin) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: International Online information Message-ID: <199708182218.SAA12592@allison.clark.net> Does anyone have any advance information, especially contact information for the International Online conference in London in Dec 97? From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au Mon Aug 18 22:38:04 1997 From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:29 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: At 3:17 PM 18/8/97, Mark Stover wrote: >We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to >the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, >each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an >Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It >doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. Aaagghh!!! Gazumpded! My next posting was going to propose just this! Booksellers and Librarians have common ground and common clientele. Often when you read a book from a library you want to buy a copy. I was also going to suggest that the web opac should be geared so that unsuccessful searchs could be redirected to the bookshop. A competing sponsorship model could be interested. Offer redirections let Amozon and Barnes and Noble quote for the business and sponsorship of the catalogue. Well done Phillips Graduate Institute!! Tony _____________________________________________________________ mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry |+61 2 6288 0959 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA Apologise for the stolen generation - From VRBIKOVA at psp.cz Tue Aug 19 09:37:05 1997 From: VRBIKOVA at psp.cz (Vrbikova Hana) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: fulltext searching with thesaurus Message-ID: <14AD6266025@novell.psp.cz> Hi! I am interested in fulltext searching. I would like to get to know to some projects or articles concerning the use of the thesaurus in the fulltext searching: the in-built thesaurus or the thesaurus as "a reference". (The thesaurus: the system with Broader Term (BT), Nearower Term (NT), Related Term (RT), Use For (UF), USE, Scope note.) Could you help me? Thanks, Hana Vrbikova ********************************************************************** * Hana Vrbikova Parliamentary Library * * vrbikova@psp.cz Parliament of the Czech Republic * * Tel (+420-2) 57 174 503 Snemovni 4 * * Fax (+420-2) 53 94 06 CZ-118 26 Prague 1 * * Parliamentary Library URL - http://www.psp.cz/kps/library/ * ********************************************************************** From kerrmw at sbu.ac.uk Tue Aug 19 03:50:37 1997 From: kerrmw at sbu.ac.uk (Mark Kerr) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: International Online information References: <199708182218.SAA12592@allison.clark.net> Message-ID: <33F9504D.E72D5981@sbu.ac.uk> Online 97's info can be found at Learned Information's site http://www.learned.co.uk/events/online/ David Gillikin wrote: > > Does anyone have any advance information, especially contact > information for > the International Online conference in London in Dec 97? -- =============================================================== Mark Kerr email: kerrmw@sbu.ac.uk Internet Training Co-ordinator Tel:+44(0)171 815 7875 Fax:+44(0)171 815 7050 Learning & Information Services South Bank University 103 Borough Road, London SE1 0AA. =============================================================== From ben_jeapes at learned.co.uk Tue Aug 19 05:02:27 1997 From: ben_jeapes at learned.co.uk (ben jeapes) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: International Online information Message-ID: <9707198720.AA872006712@ccgate.learned.co.uk> > Does anyone have any advance information, especially contact > information for the International Online conference in London > in Dec 97? Sure do! The conference takes place Tuesday 9-Thursday 11 December. You can find details on our Web site at http://info.learned.co.uk/events/, or e-mail conferences@learned.co.uk, or contact: Conference Department Learned Information Europe Ltd Woodside Hinksey Hill Oxford OX1 5BE UK Tel: +44 (0)1865 388000 Fax: +44 (0)1865 736354 But don't look at me -- I'm Journals. Ben Jeapes Managing Editor, Journals ben_jeapes@learned.co.uk From danforth at tiac.net Tue Aug 19 08:16:11 1997 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Telnet from Communicator Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970819081611.007b6590@sunspot.tiac.net> I know that this issue has been visited on this list before, but the solution from the archives does not seem to work for me. I am having problems getting my telnet to work from Netscape Communicator using win95. I go to the Edit menu. Select Preferences, then Navigator/Applications and scroll down to URL:Telnet Protocol. The default was: rundll32.exe url.dll,TelnetProtocolHandler %1 That did not work. Since my Netscape is on my E drive and Windows is on my C drive, I also tried inserting c:\windows in front of the above line. That did not work. I tried to follow what is posted to web4lib on this archive: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9707/0457.html In that case, the term.exe is also on my E drive, and I did include the full path. Still no success. The error meessage in all cases is Unable to launch application. Error code=2 Does anyone have any more ideas? Thanks. Isabel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net Co-Director of Librarians' Online Support Team http://www.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From astern at neon.nlc.state.ne.us Tue Aug 19 08:59:17 1997 From: astern at neon.nlc.state.ne.us (Annie Sternburg) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Telnet from Communicator In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970819081611.007b6590@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: We had the same problem and the only fix was to install 4.02. Now the telnet works fine. Good luck, Annie Sternburg, Internet Librarian Nebraska Library Commission On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Isabel Danforth wrote: > I know that this issue has been visited on this list before, but the > solution from the archives does not seem to work for me. > > I am having problems getting my telnet to work from Netscape Communicator > using win95. > I go to the Edit menu. Select Preferences, then Navigator/Applications and > scroll down to URL:Telnet Protocol. The default was: > > rundll32.exe url.dll,TelnetProtocolHandler %1 > > That did not work. Since my Netscape is on my E drive and Windows is on my > C drive, I also tried inserting c:\windows in front of the above line. > That did not work. > > I tried to follow what is posted to web4lib on this archive: > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9707/0457.html > > In that case, the term.exe is also on my E drive, and I did include the > full path. Still no success. > > The error meessage in all cases is > Unable to launch application. Error code=2 > > Does anyone have any more ideas? > > Thanks. > > Isabel > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library > danforth@tiac.net Co-Director of Librarians' Online Support Team > http://www.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From leiserson at library.vanderbilt.edu Tue Aug 19 10:31:15 1997 From: leiserson at library.vanderbilt.edu (Anna Belle Leiserson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: <1753B19F678B@library6.vanderbilt.edu> In re. OPAC links to Amazon.com, I think it admirable to find new ways to use the medium and raise money for a library. However, I wonder about the ethics involved. I do not have a clear answer, by the way. Instead, I think it would be a good idea to pause and consider this aspect. One of the "Principles & Standards of Acquisitions Practice" is: "grants all competing vendors equal consideration insofar as the established policies of his or her library permit, and regards each transaction on its own merits." Of course, this is for the library purchasing, but it struck me as related in an area where we aren't likely to have many guidelines. Anna Belle Leiserson Collection Development Librarian Vanderbilt Law Library leiserson@library.vanderbilt.edu AcqWeb Editor: http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/law/acqs/acqs.html > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:19:58 -0700 > From: stover@ix.netcom.com (Mark Stover) > Subject: Re: Document delivery from the library catalogue > To: Multiple recipients of list > Reply-to: stover@ix.netcom.com > To build on Tony Barry's interesting ideas about Web-enabled online library > catalogs, I wanted to share our experience in adding value to the Web-based > catalog. > > We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to > the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, > each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an > Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It > doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. > > Check it out at http://www.pgi.edu/libcat.htm > > > Mark Stover > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > Mark Stover, Director of Library and Information Services > Phillips Graduate Institute, 5445 Balboa Blvd., Encino, CA 91316 > Phone: 818/386-5641 / Fax: 818/386-5699 / email: mstover@pgi.edu > > From glickd at holly.hsu.edu Tue Aug 19 10:45:46 1997 From: glickd at holly.hsu.edu (David Glick) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: EbscoHost & ProQuest Satisfaction Message-ID: <19970819134633.AAA11797@peebleh.hsu.edu> Our library is getting ready to choose a vendor of periodical databases and our top two picks are Ebsco's EbscoHost and UMI's ProQuest, both on the Web. For those of you who are using either one or both of them, I would appreciate it if you could let me know your likes and dislikes with either one. We would especially like information on how you like their interfaces and how appropriate you feel their content is for your particular library. We are an academic library with a student population of about 3600 and a faculty population of about 200. If there is interest, I will summarize for the list. TIA David Glick David Glick Huie Library Henderson State University Arkadelphia, AR 71999 (870)230-5000, x5322 From tkoppel at carl.org Tue Aug 19 09:57:56 1997 From: tkoppel at carl.org (Ted Koppel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue In-Reply-To: <1753B19F678B@library6.vanderbilt.edu> from "Anna Belle Leiserson" at Aug 19, 97 06:36:14 am Message-ID: <199708191357.HAA16336@denver> >From Anna Belle Leiserson's original message: * *In re. OPAC links to Amazon.com, I think it admirable to find new *ways to use the medium and raise money for a library. However, I *wonder about the ethics involved. I do not have a clear answer, by *the way. Instead, I think it would be a good idea to pause and *consider this aspect. * It seems to me that this kind of linking, neat and modern as it is, can raise not only ethical, but perhaps legal questions as well. Assume for a moment that my town has a Borders, a Barnes and Noble, as Tattered Cover (we should be so lucky!), and some smaller, locally owned bookstores. Assume further that my insitution is a public institution supported with taxpayer funds. Now, let's say that I have linked by OPAC to Amazon, and I get the 15% kickback as described in another message. It seems to me that the local bookstores could make a case that the library is preferring/favoring one source over another by displaying that in its OPAC. The local tax collector might make the political point that *by using Amazon*, local sales tax on book purchases is lost to the city - if the purchase had been made locally, the tax revenue would have been collected. I would counsel serious thought before making these linkages. From SWEETING at frick.org Tue Aug 19 10:29:24 1997 From: SWEETING at frick.org (Sweeting, Floyd) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: ProCite3 and BiblioLink Message-ID: Colleagues, We've installed and set up ProCite3 and BiblioLink and to our chagrin have realized that the Telnet software that comes bundled with Windows 95 does not have a capture function. Do any other ProCite users have suggestions/preferences on Telnet software? Are there some free ones around? Floyd Thomas Sweeting III, Head, Information Systems Department The Frick Collection and Frick Art Reference Library 10 E. 71st Street, New York, NY 10021 Tel: 212-288-0700 x289 Fax: 212-879-2091 From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Tue Aug 19 10:41:36 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: [FYI] IFLA Section of Government Libraries (September 3, 1997: Denmark) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970819104136.005a4bb0@nlc-bnc.ca> ANNOUNCEMENT: IFLA Section of Government Libraries Open session 63nd IFLA Council and General Conference, Copenhagen, Denmark 3 September 1997, 12:30-15:00 Theme: The Availability of Government Information as a Means of Strengthening Democracy Public administration - public knowledge Tuula H. Laaksovirta (Library of Parliament, Helsinki, Finland) This paper is available at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63laat.htm The Challenge of openness as European Union information goes electronic Neville Keery (Library Services, European Commission, Brussels, Belgium) This paper is available at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63keen.htm The Odin: The Central Web server for official documentation and information from Norway Elisabeth Sundholm (Head of Section, Government Administration Services, the Documentation Centre, Norway) This paper is available at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63hole.htm Local and global networks in practice: A Case study by the Information and Library Service, Ministry of Finance, Ljubljana Violeta Botaco (Information and Library Service Department, Ministry of Finance, Ljubljana, Republic of Slovenia) This paper is available at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/IV/ifla63/63botv.htm More information on the IFLA Section of Government Libraries can be found at http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/VII/s4/sgl.htm If you have any questions, contact Edward J. Valauskas Chair, Section of Government Libraries Internet: ejv@uic.edu From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Tue Aug 19 10:44:14 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: [FYI] IFLA Internet Discussion Group (August 31, 1997: Copenhagen, Denmark) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970819104414.00583e10@nlc-bnc.ca> ANNOUNCEMENT: IFLA Internet Discussion Group Third meeting to be held at the 63nd IFLA Council and General Conference, Copenhagen 31 August 1997, 10:00-12:00 The Internet Discussion Group was created at the 61st IFLA Council and General Conference in Istanbul in 1995. Its purpose is To provide a forum for exchanging ideas and information about the introduction and support for the use of the Internet in libraries and by library users; to further access to the Internet around the world, especially in developing countries; to find ways for librarians to be more active in the development of the Internet; and to develop ideas for programs and projects related to this topic. More information about the Discussion Group can be found at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/VII/dg/index.htm Focus groups will examine the following areas: - The Use of the Internet as a Reference Tool and User Education - Design of Web Sites - Public Libraries and the Internet - Copyright and the Internet - K-12 Libraries and the Internet - Libraries as Information Service Providers - Librarians' Role in Digital Data as well as other topics. In addition, There will be opportunities to discuss the Group's projects involving a collection of case studies of libraries utilizing the Internet. If you have any questions, contact: Nancy R. John Assistant University Librarian University of Illinois at Chicago Library Post Office Box 8198 Chicago, IL 60680 USA Internet: nrj@uic.edu Edward J. Valauskas Internet Mechanics Post Office Box 87636 Chicago, IL 60680-0636 USA Internet: ejv@uic.edu Monica Ertel Apple Computer, Inc. Knowledge Systems Lab Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Internet: ertel@apple.com From stew at library.umass.edu Tue Aug 19 11:30:33 1997 From: stew at library.umass.edu (Barbara Stewart) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue In-Reply-To: <199708191357.HAA16336@denver> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Ted Koppel wrote: > >From Anna Belle Leiserson's original message: > * > *In re. OPAC links to Amazon.com, I think it admirable to find new > *ways to use the medium and raise money for a library. However, I > > It seems to me that this kind of linking, neat and modern as it is, can > raise not only ethical, but perhaps legal questions as well. > If this is the case, why did OCLC get away with loading specific vendor records from Puvill, Casalini Libri, and a few others onto their OLUC? These are proprietary records, and patrons wishing to purchase these items can only link to the specified vendor for purchase.... Barbara Stewart UMass Amherst stew@library.umass.edu From eroche at sisna.com Tue Aug 19 11:47:44 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:31 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970818232700.006bcf48@opus1.com> Remember the outrage when Open Text was accused of selling hit list positioning for search results? Well, there is another view to take a look at when considering the Amazon.com partnering plans, (not to mention the disaffection as to actual revenues ever received you often see posted on the hwg-l or wwwacs-l newsgroups.) Excite (I believe it is them) has made a similar arrangement with Amazon.com. When a person puts in a search for a book, they will be provided with the URL to Amazon.com so they can so handily go purchase it. Thoughts? Discussions? Off-topic? Just say so. Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! At 07:43 PM 8/18/97 -0700, Tony Barry wrote: >At 3:17 PM 18/8/97, Mark Stover wrote: >>We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to >>the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, >>each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an >>Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It >>doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. > >Aaagghh!!! Gazumpded! My next posting was going to propose just this! >Booksellers and Librarians have common ground and common clientele. Often >when you read a book from a library you want to buy a copy. I was also >going to suggest that the web opac should be geared so that unsuccessful >searchs could be redirected to the bookshop. A competing sponsorship model >could be interested. Offer redirections let Amozon and Barnes and Noble >quote for the business and sponsorship of the catalogue. > >Well done Phillips Graduate Institute!! > >Tony > >_____________________________________________________________ >mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 >http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry |+61 2 6288 0959 > >Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 > >Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of >Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National >University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA > >Apologise for the stolen generation - > > > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 19 12:11:08 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Internet Explorer References: Message-ID: <33F9C59C.9CD@morrisville.edu> I am having a problem with Internet Explorer's latest beta for Windows 95. My tool bars have disappeared. Itired uninstalling but couldn't. I reinstalled over what I had and still have the same problem. Any suggestions? -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ SUNYLA'97: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/sunyla/sunyla97.htm Support the anti-Spam amendment: Join at http://www.cauce.org/ -- From morganj at iupui.edu Tue Aug 19 12:37:40 1997 From: morganj at iupui.edu (Jim Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970818232700.006bcf48@opus1.com> Message-ID: NLM also lists commercial sources. Their new Pubmed service that sends you to the full-text of 27 journals - however you have to negotiate use with the publisher once you get there. Some are free, some are free for the moment, and some have subscription rates. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Tue Aug 19 13:36:39 1997 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: To Duplex or Not to Duplex Message-ID: <970819133639.2644@sals.edu> >>Our computer technicians have strongly advised us >>against reusing paper in a laser printer. Reused paper is >>apparently very hard on the rollers and the fuser. Repairs >>may cost more than paper supplies. >Hi! On the surface this seems like a logical argument, but I have a >question. If this is so, shouldn't duplex printing present the very same >problems? In my experience, all of the HP printers , when printing duplex, >are essentially printing on paper that is "used," at least in the sense >that these arguments are presented. Just something to ponder. I'm not a copier expert, although I learned more about their innards than I ever wanted to know when I worked with a duplexing unit. I read an explanation of this once (before the intro of the HP IID duplexer) which echoed Connie's original statement. It's not just the wrinkling (although that is certainly a pain), it's what happens to the paper and toner when it goes back through the second time - it can get scraped off and Bad Things may happen to your printout, if not the printer. I think copiers and printers intended for double-sided use handle this better (though even they get cranky after a while, and it's not pretty). You can get away with doing it occasionally, and I don't know if long-cooled prints would pass through without this problem. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From sunflowr at agrl.lib.sc.us Tue Aug 19 14:26:04 1997 From: sunflowr at agrl.lib.sc.us (Leila Carter) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: text Message-ID: <33F9E53C.31CB@agrl.lib.sc.us> In WordPerfect 7, you can save a document as "Ansi DOS text" or "Ansi DOS delimited text" (as well as many other formats). What's the difference between the two, plain text & delimited text? TIA, -- Leila Carter Public Services Librarian Abbeville-Greenwood Regional Library Phone: 864-941-4650 FAX: 864-941-4651 "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." (FDR said that.) "That was easy for him to say, sitting on his moon in the White House." (I said that.) From jkuntz at rcls.org Tue Aug 19 15:23:38 1997 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: LibraryLand redesigned, reindexed Message-ID: <33F9F2BA.40DC@rcls.org> A couple of weeks ago we added a site search engine to LibraryLand, our web site of library resources. That was neat; but the searches weren't very effective, since our whole web site was designed with 19 large html docs and employed tags and anchors to move to specific sections. So we worked over the weekend to redesign Libraryland from 19 html docs to nearly 200, which will help to target searches much more narrowly. (There were good reasons why we started with so few documents, but I won't get into that!) The URL is: http://www.rcls.org/libland Jerry Kuntz Electroic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System From eroche at sisna.com Tue Aug 19 15:31:14 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: revisit Re: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970819122905.006a79cc@opus1.com> I posted these comments about amazon.com and partnering, in what I thought was a wry state of mind, just sort of musing to myself how sometimes an idea (like Open Text's) hits at the wrong time, or somehow it creates a great uproar (while the other search tools were doing the same thing and no one complained much about them) and wondering if Amazon.com's aggressive partnering might backfire on them. But I didn't really say this though it was what I meant to express. Upon rereading my post I realize I sound quite negative about Amazon.com and I really have no negative feelings towards them, I rather admire them. I am a supporter of commercial enterprises, I come out of direct marketing myself. I guess I just feel after reading my post, that I should correct the tone or message I may have put forward. I am most interested in what people think and will say about the partnering topic, I did not mean to appear to be bashing any company or plan. Apologies. Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! Remember the outrage when Open Text was accused of selling hit list positioning for search results? Well, there is another view to take a look at when considering the Amazon.com partnering plans, (not to mention the disaffection as to actual revenues ever received you often see posted on the hwg-l or wwwacs-l newsgroups.) Excite (I believe it is them) has made a similar arrangement with Amazon.com. When a person puts in a search for a book, they will be provided with the URL to Amazon.com so they can so handily go purchase it. Thoughts? Discussions? Off-topic? Just say so. Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! At 07:43 PM 8/18/97 -0700, Tony Barry wrote: >At 3:17 PM 18/8/97, Mark Stover wrote: >>We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to >>the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, >>each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an >>Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It >>doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. > >Aaagghh!!! Gazumpded! My next posting was going to propose just this! >Booksellers and Librarians have common ground and common clientele. Often >when you read a book from a library you want to buy a copy. I was also >going to suggest that the web opac should be geared so that unsuccessful >searchs could be redirected to the bookshop. A competing sponsorship model >could be interested. Offer redirections let Amozon and Barnes and Noble >quote for the business and sponsorship of the catalogue. > >Well done Phillips Graduate Institute!! > >Tony > >_____________________________________________________________ >mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 >http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry |+61 2 6288 0959 > >Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 > >Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of >Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National >University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA > >Apologise for the stolen generation - > > > > From eroche at sisna.com Tue Aug 19 16:01:25 1997 From: eroche at sisna.com (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue References: <199708191357.HAA16336@denver> Message-ID: <33F9FB95.28F6@sisna.com> In Arizona this would no doubt be true,[ insert I am not a lawyer disclaimer here]. The Associated Students Union of Arizona (ASUA-acronym is something like what I put here)have had to be careful because of the law that says they may not compete with local businesses. When they have their huge Spring Fling they have had various problems to overcome some years vis a vis t-shirts, or books, or bookings etc. I have no idea how an Internet business would be considered, as a local business itself or as competing with local businesses. Elisabeth Roche eroche@sisna.com serendipity RULES! From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Tue Aug 19 16:17:48 1997 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: To Duplex or Not to Duplex -Reply Message-ID: Robert has it absolutely right. Copiers and printers that are designed for duplexing have paper paths designed so that the problem of recycling paper doesn't happen. Besides the paper jam problems with recycled paper, the BIG and expensive problem is that when you run paper that has been printed through the printer, the BACK side of the paper comes in contact with various rollers. Since the rollers on the FRONT side are hot from fusing the toner onto the paper, the heat often "melts" the toner, inks, etc, from the BACK side of the paper onto the rollers. This means those rollers get quite "gunked up" with toner, etc. That can cause paper jams, as the clearances are VERY small. Also, the stuff that has now been transferred onto the roller may well transfer onto the back of future items printed, even if they aren't on recycled paper. I'd not want to send a memo to the President with multicolored gunk on the back. Cleaning or replacing the rollers is NOT trivial, either in materials or time. Several hundred dollars most likely. Remember, the same things are true of those who REFILL ink cartridges. Your ink will be different from the prescribed ink, and use of such will void your warranty. Some inks will dribble and splatter. Others will gum up the printing mechanism. Again, not a low cost to cleanup and repair or replace damaged parts, especially since it isn't covered under warranty or maintenance contract. Both of these cases are covered under clauses the "exclude coverage for incorrect use, user damage, etc." cheers dan (yes I have an HP family connection, but this is true for ALL brands and all types of inkjet or laser printers or copiers..but I've preached this since before I even knew Gail, partly based on previous nasty experiences..and I'd believe it unless your contract or documentation says something to the contrary) buyer beware and all that. From walthowe at delphi.com Tue Aug 19 16:40:49 1997 From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: ProCite3 and BiblioLink Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970819164049.007f0990@delphi.com> At 07:49 AM 8/19/1997 -0700, Floyd Sweeting wrote: >We've installed and set up ProCite3 and BiblioLink and to our chagrin >have realized that the Telnet software that comes bundled with Windows >95 does not have a capture function. > >Do any other ProCite users have suggestions/preferences on Telnet >software? Are there some free ones around? Hilgraeve puts out a full-function free replacement called HyperTerminal for the rather awful telnet in Win 95. See http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe.html Walt Navigating the Net Publishing on the Web Personal Home Page *** Delphi web memberships are now free *** From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Tue Aug 19 17:16:09 1997 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Patrick Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: To Duplex or Not to Duplex -Reply Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970819161608.0091f7a0@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> At 01:24 PM 8/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Robert has it absolutely right. Copiers and printers that are >designed for duplexing have paper paths designed so that the >problem of recycling paper doesn't happen. > ^^^^^^^^^ >Besides the paper jam problems with recycled paper, the BIG >and expensive problem is [...] ^^^^^^^^ I agree with everything you had to say, EXCEPT your use of the term recycled. I've never had any problems at all with "factory fresh" recycled paper. It's "reused" paper-- paper that has been through the printer before in it's current "lifetime" that is prone to causing jams &tc. Sorry to get semantic, but I'd hate to see somebody stop buying recycled paper because they incorrectly believe that it's going to hurt their printers. Counterarguments are welcome, of course. -- James Patrick Klock j-klock@evanston.lib.il.us Evanston Public Library Technical Services From knuthp at LEAV-EMH1.ARMY.MIl Tue Aug 19 19:21:00 1997 From: knuthp at LEAV-EMH1.ARMY.MIl (Knuth, Pat CARL knuthp) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Public PC printers Message-ID: <33FA3413@LEAV-MSLINK.ARMY.MIL> >The real question is has anyone simply put a networked >printer in a public area (in our case in the area of some 25 >networked CDROM and WEB workstations) and NOT given it >attendance, much as is the case if you hang a printer on >each workstation? >I know there will be times for refiling paper, paperjams, and so >forth, and folks are used to that with 20 LX300s. But what >about people fighting over stuff, hassling you that their stuff >didn't come out yet (probably because there are a dozen >cued items ahead of it), etc? I'm thinking of recommending >we go to a networked printer but NOT putting it at an attended >desk. >Reactions? Suggestions? Comments? Experiences? Am I >crazy? (answer that one only as related to this question, >please.) We have 5 Internet/e-mail workstations on the 1st floor networked to a HP 5N. We have 10 PCs with Microsoft Office and Internet access on the 2nd floor that we plan to network to an HP 5Si (on order) We've only had the 1st printer networked about a month, so there are lots of issues that could still come up. So far, our only problem was when there were power problems (something about a raccoon and a transformer) and our segment of the network was down for four days. We don't charge for printing (or photocopying) so I didn't have to deal with some of those issues. When we decided to go to networked laser printers, I named and labeled each workstation and used NetWare User Tools (we're using NetWare 4.1) to print the name of the workstation on a cover sheet for each printout. It's an extra piece of paper, but the printer is unattended (though close to the reference desk) and so far it seems to work. I did show the reference librarians how to use pconsole so they could see if there are a lot of items queued or if they need to clean out the print queue and I'm not here. Pat Knuth Systems Librarian, Combined Arms Research Library US Army Command and General Staff College Ft. Leavenworth, KS 66027 knuthp@leav-emh1.army.mil From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au Tue Aug 19 21:12:30 1997 From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: At 7:10AM 19/8/97, Ted Koppel wrote: > Now, let's say that I have linked by OPAC to Amazon, and I get the 15% > kickback as described in another message. It seems to me that the local > bookstores could make a case that the library is preferring/favoring one > source over another by displaying that in its OPAC. There is a possible solution. Regard this as a service that libraries can SELL to bookshops. You put it out to tender - either the whole catalogue or publications from particular publishers or some other way of dealing out the business. You let the contract for say two years with annual renewals or re-tender from time to time. Payment to the library could either be on the basis of commissions from sales or an additional discount on purchases made by the _library_ to the supplier. In the later case you are saying "we will help you sell books to our clientele IF you give us an additional discount in our purchases from you". The library's clientele get easy access to the bookshop to titles they can review themselves in the library and on topics in which they are interested; the library gets either cash or discout benefits which it can pass onto the clientele; and the bookseller makes sales. Everybody wins except for those booksellers that did not tender or who's tender failed. They get to try harder the next time tenders are let. Tony _____________________________________________________________ mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry |+61 2 6288 0959 Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA Apologise for the stolen generation - From tull at acs.ucalgary.ca Tue Aug 19 22:52:41 1997 From: tull at acs.ucalgary.ca (C Eric Tull) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: Access'97 Conference Message-ID: <9708200252.AA58224@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca> Conference Announcement +++++++++++++++++++++++ ACCESS'97 : INTEGRATION or FRAGMENTATION? September 29 - October 1, 1997 Calgary Alberta ALL INFORMATION IS AT http://www.ucalgary.ca/library/access97/ Draft Conference Agenda Monday, September 29 8:45 Keynote Speaker: Dr. Charles Lowry 10:15 Third generation web-based opacs Lyn Elizabeth Martin: SuperPAC Art Rhyno: VRML to navigate infospace 11:15 Streaming video Janice Bakal 11:45 Browsers: comparison of Netscape and Explorer Dr. Rob Berdan 1:15 State of the Internet Clifford Lynch 2:15 The Western Canada Virtual Library Project Kristina Long, Lynn Copeland 3:45 Databases Rob McKinney, SilverPlatter Dana Johnson, OVID Stephen Rhind-Tutt, Chadwyck Healey Tuesday, September 30 8:30 Java Terry Noreault: Java-based integration of resources with Z39.50 Djun Kim: 10:30 Electronic Text Centre, Univ. of Virginia David Seaman 11:00 In cyberspace no-one can hear you 'shush!' David Brown 11:20 Thin clients Alan Darnell: Winframe with WindowsNT Guy Hummel: Sun's JavaStation 1:15 MAGIC: spatial data at Univ. of Connecticut Patrick McGlamery 2:15 Cable access to the internet Rich Wiggins: Cable modems: myths and reality Garth Mihalcheon: Shaw Cable 3:45 topic to be decided 4:15 Z39.50 implementation Slavko Manojlovich Configuring Z39.50 Clients and Servers: Dirty Little Secrets Wednesday, October 1 8:30 System vendors panel Jane Beaumont: moderator Greg Hathorn: SIRSI John Kolman: AMERITECH Don Reilly: ENDEAVOR Andre Hudon: GEAC 10:30 Cataloguing tools online Ross Thrasher 10:50 Workflow automation concepts Greg Hathorn 11:15 Intranets Evan Fietz (Silicon Graphics) 1:30 The consumer Deb MacLean: government & legal sources on the internet Bruce Clark: the professor as consumer of web-based information resources 2:15 Project Galileo George Gaumond 2:45 Convergence of the information highway Brian Gaines 3:15 Summary of integration issues at the conference Selden Deemer Come and join us! Eric Tull University of Calgary Library From hsuarez at west.poly.edu Tue Aug 19 23:51:21 1997 From: hsuarez at west.poly.edu (Humbert Suarez) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: fulltext searching with thesaurus Message-ID: <199708200351.XAA07114@west> The search engine Medical World Search (http://www.mwsearch.com), of which I am one of the developers, uses a large medical thesaurus as a part of a full-text search system (BT, NT, UF, USE, Scope note). It can be used both in a built-in mode and as a reference. Humbert H. Suarez, MD PhD PRIDE/Polytechnic University humbert@pride-i2.poly.edu >Hi! > >I am interested in fulltext searching. I would like to get to know >to some projects or articles concerning the use of the thesaurus in >the fulltext searching: the in-built thesaurus or the thesaurus as "a >reference". (The thesaurus: the system with Broader Term (BT), >Nearower Term (NT), Related Term (RT), Use For (UF), USE, Scope >note.) > >Could you help me? > >Thanks, >Hana Vrbikova >********************************************************************** >* Hana Vrbikova Parliamentary Library * >* vrbikova@psp.cz Parliament of the Czech Republic * >* Tel (+420-2) 57 174 503 Snemovni 4 * >* Fax (+420-2) 53 94 06 CZ-118 26 Prague 1 * >* Parliamentary Library URL - http://www.psp.cz/kps/library/ * >********************************************************************** > From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Wed Aug 20 00:51:39 1997 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:32 2005 Subject: telnet on Win95 Message-ID: <970820005139.202025a1@main.morris.org> Don't know about Navigator, but know this is true for IE ...on Win95 drop the slashes in telnet ...just telnet:locis.loc.gov From danforth at tiac.net Wed Aug 20 06:25:40 1997 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: telnet from Communicator 4 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970820062540.007a29d0@sunspot.tiac.net> It has been interesting to make telnet work. What I have below is thanks to suggestions from several folks. I had to download communicator 4.02 to get this to work. It did not work with Communicator 4.01a. The default setting in edit/preference/application/ URL:telnet telnet %1 That works, but the basic telnet is a bit clunky. Using winQVT’s term.exe Entry in edit/preference/application/ URL:telnet e:\netscape\telnet.bat %1 %2 bat file e:\winqvt\terminal\term.exe %1 %2 (to pass along non standard port) It appears to open and close one window, and then open the requested telnet session. EWAN Just used e:\ewan\ewan.exe It connects fine to standard or non-standard port. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net Co-Director of Librarians' Online Support Team http://www.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 20 11:12:14 1997 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: FW: The Web and Research Papers Message-ID: Last week I posted a note to Web4Lib letting folks know about an op-ed piece in the Chronicle of Higher Education. Dan Lester replied, in part, >by noting the following: > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Interesting food for thought, but my answer is basically "so >what"? See more comments below, in bold. > >Note that it is an op-ed piece, not a research study. Any >one of us is capable of doing the same thing. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I often alert folks on a number of lists to items of interest, many of which happen to be opinion pieces. They may not be research studies, but they can often influence academic administrators. Case in point: a couple of days ago a colleague told me that a copy of Rothenberg's Chronicle article showed up in the library director's office. The copy came from the college president's office, with a note asking for comment. Op ed pieces can influence the opinions of quite a few academic administrators. Even though they're not the result of serious research, they can still have an impact. Bernie Sloan bernies@uillinois.edu > > > From rpage at okway.okstate.edu Wed Aug 20 13:00:09 1997 From: rpage at okway.okstate.edu (Richard M. Page) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: To Duplex or Not to Duplex -Reply Message-ID: <9708208720.AA872092831@okway.okstate.edu> On 8/19/97 at SMTP said: > Robert has it absolutely right. Copiers and printers that are designed > for duplexing have paper paths designed so that the problem of recycling > paper doesn't happen. Hi! I beg to differ with this statement. If you've seen HP's duplexer unit for the 5M/5N, LexMark's unit for the Optra R/Ss, you realize that they are just addons that extend, but do *not* change, the basic paper path or handling. They are, in effect, running a "used" piece of paper printed on the back through to print on the free side. In addition, the toner on these "used" sheets is still hot and not yet set. I would think this would fall within the "bad" category, yet HP/LexMark market these products without warnings about duplexing. I will agree that the HP 5Si and similar may have altered duplexing paper paths, but not the smaller models. And I cannot see any real difference between these and using good condition, used paper. Please go into detail for the differences you see. I am interested, since we are poised to deploy 75 public laser printers and are looking into using used paper to save on supply costs. --Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard M. Page | Voice (405) 744-5347 Head, Library Systems Department | Fax (405) 744-7579 224A Library, Oklahoma State University | Stillwater, OK 74078-1070 | E-Mail: rpage@okway.okstate.edu =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= http://el0455.lib.okstate.edu/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= From stafford at lclark.edu Wed Aug 20 11:58:13 1997 From: stafford at lclark.edu (Beverly Stafford) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue In-Reply-To: <1753B19F678B@library6.vanderbilt.edu> Message-ID: Hello: This is a good comment; also, just recently, hasn't there been a lawsuit by Barnes and Noble against amazon.com, protesting that amazon.com is not a "bookstore" since they have no retail outlet. Since so many bookstores are on the web, with forms for ordering books online, this might not be a good direction.....also creates unfair advantage to large chains also over the independent bookstores local to an area. -Beverly Stafford Reference Librarian Lewis and Clark College Library On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Anna Belle Leiserson wrote: > In re. OPAC links to Amazon.com, I think it admirable to find new > ways to use the medium and raise money for a library. However, I > wonder about the ethics involved. I do not have a clear answer, by > the way. Instead, I think it would be a good idea to pause and > consider this aspect. > > One of the "Principles & Standards of Acquisitions Practice" is: > "grants all competing vendors equal consideration insofar as the > established policies of his or her library permit, and regards each > transaction on its own merits." Of course, this is for the library > purchasing, but it struck me as related in an area where we aren't > likely to have many guidelines. > > Anna Belle Leiserson > Collection Development Librarian > Vanderbilt Law Library > leiserson@library.vanderbilt.edu > AcqWeb Editor: > http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/law/acqs/acqs.html > > > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:19:58 -0700 > > From: stover@ix.netcom.com (Mark Stover) > > Subject: Re: Document delivery from the library catalogue > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Reply-to: stover@ix.netcom.com > > > To build on Tony Barry's interesting ideas about Web-enabled online library > > catalogs, I wanted to share our experience in adding value to the Web-based > > catalog. > > > > We developed links from each book's ISBN number in our library catalog to > > the Amazon bookstore. Since we are members of Amazon's Associates program, > > each time someone travels through our catalog to Amazon and purchases an > > Amazon book, we get a small kickback (up to 15% of the book's price). It > > doesn't happen very often, but it's cool when it does happen. > > > > Check it out at http://www.pgi.edu/libcat.htm > > > > > > Mark Stover > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > Mark Stover, Director of Library and Information Services > > Phillips Graduate Institute, 5445 Balboa Blvd., Encino, CA 91316 > > Phone: 818/386-5641 / Fax: 818/386-5699 / email: mstover@pgi.edu > > > > > From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Wed Aug 20 14:21:08 1997 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: To Duplex or Not to Duplex -Reply Message-ID: <9707208721.AA872108770@smtpgwy.isinet.com> I have a question about this issue. Our printer prints our a header page before the document and a blank page after the document. We have been told not to run the blank sheets back through the printer because they "gum up" the works as well. I have been doing this sort of thing for years on my home laser printer and now I am experiencing "Paper Entry Jams" - could this be the problem? Elisa Miller "Whatever you can do or Institute for Scientific Information dream you can, begin it. 3501 Market Street Boldness has genius, power Philadelphia, Pa 19104 and magic in it." (215)386-0100 x 1395 Goethe emiller@isinet.com URL - http://www.isinet.com From pfarris at itsa.ucsf.edu Wed Aug 20 14:19:41 1997 From: pfarris at itsa.ucsf.edu (Peter Farris) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: FW: Job Posting--N. Calif. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820111940.0069997c@itsa.ucsf.edu> Apologies for cross-posting. This message is being sent to: web4lib, libjobs, slis_jobs, libref-l -------------------------------------------------------------------- INFORMATION SERVICES LIBRARIAN The San Francisco General Hospital Medical Center invites applications for the position of Information Services Librarian. This is a University of California San Francisco position based at the Barnett-Briggs Medical Library, San Francisco General Hospital Medical Center. For more information about the Library, consult our Web Site at: http://sfghdean.ucsf.edu/barnett/index.htm Responsibilities: Maintain fully-equipped, networked Microcomputer Center in a health sciences library; teach classes on Internet, World Wide Web, HTML and other computer-related topics; analyze software and hardware needs; maintain collection development of computer-related materials (print and electronic); provide end-user technical support; prepare user documentation and training materials; assist in planning and evaluation of library services; recommend emerging information technologies; provide reference/research consultation services. Requirements: ALA-accredited Masters degree in Library/Information Science; minimum 3 years post-MLS professional experience; technical expertise in Windows 95 and Macintosh operating systems and applications, Internet, HTML and computer networks; excellent training, presentation and documentation proficiency; experience doing mediated searches on health topics; strong interpersonal communication skills and demonstrated ability to work effectively with patrons. Preferred: TCP/IP, Novell Netware, UNIX, desktop publishing. Reference experience in a health sciences library and Melvyl Medline searching skills. Salary/Benefits: Salary $33,300 - $49,900 commensurate with experience and skills. Standard University of California benefits. Application Deadline: Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. Send letter of application, resume and names of three references to: Joan Fierberg, Library Manager Barnett-Briggs Medical Library San Francisco General Hospital 1001 Potrero Ave., Bldg. 30 San Francisco, CA 94110 The University of California San Francisco is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. _____________________________________________________ Peter Farris, M.L.I.S. / mailto:pfarris@itsa.ucsf.edu Information Services Librarian Barnett-Briggs Medical Library 1001 Potrero Ave., Building 30, San Francisco, CA 94110 vox: 415/206-6639 fax: 415/206-6102 http://sfghdean.ucsf.edu/barnett/plethcom.htm From stover at ix.netcom.com Wed Aug 20 17:32:09 1997 From: stover at ix.netcom.com (Mark Stover) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: Document delivery from the library catalogue Message-ID: <199708202132.QAA22102@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Anna Belle Leiserson is correct when she states that we don't have many guidelines in this area (linking to Amazon from the library online catalog). I don't think we can look to traditional library acquisitions practice for these guidelines, since that's a whole different ballgame (but worthy of discussion in a different thread). There are a number of issues that come up here. I'm glad that others have raised these issues, because frankly I had not thought a lot about them before this thread started. What I did think about was making sure that I was not breaking Amazon's user agreement for its Associates program. But the issue of giving an unfair advantage to one bookstore over another was something that had not crossed my mind. But now that I've had time to think about it, here are my thoughts: (1) "Let me tell you how it will be--There's one for you, nineteen for me."--from The Taxman, by the Beatles. One earlier posting mentioned the possible pitfall of eating into the tax base of a local municipality by pitting Amazon against local booksellers who would generate local sales tax. Public libraries may or may not have to worry about this, but not being either a lawyer or a tax collector myself, I really can't comment on this one. (2) "Please Sir or Madam, will you read my book? It took me years to write, won't you take a look?" --from Paperback Writer, by the Beatles. Is it illegal or unethical to "privilege" one online bookstore (in this case, Amazon) over another? (since by linking to Amazon through our Web-enabled online library catalog, we are implicitly recommending Amazon as the online bookstore of choice). I don't really think this is unethical (although in the interest of fairness we *have* set up a link elsewhere on our site that goes to Barnes and Noble), any more than it would be unethical to set up links to any other Web site that happens to have competition. (Would it be unethical to set up links to one document delivery source if we happen to believe that they provide better service than another?). But this question is a good one since it goes to the heart of the nature of librarianship. By analogy, is "readers advisory" unethical if we recommend one book over another? Is collection development unethical since we purchase one encyclopedia over another? In the end, I think librarians should try to be fair and balanced while at the same time feel the freedom to acknowledge quality and a superior product. There are certain things we obviously can't do (like give medical or legal advice), since these areas are generally governed by state licensing boards. But I don't think linking to online bookstores falls into this category. (3) "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." --The Bible. Are we falling prey to the vices of mammon by collecting a kickback from Amazon when we link our library records to their bookstore. Well, if we were just in it for the money, and if we knew that Amazon provided substandard services, then it might be unethical. But we're not in it for the money (what little there is so far), and we happen to think that Amazon is providing a darn good service, so I don't think we have succumbed yet to the dead presidents temptation. (4) "So sue me!" --Guys and Dolls. I guess litigation is just a reality in our society. I suppose that we will just have to live with the fact that Barnes and Noble is suing Amazon.com, or that one of us (not me, I hope) will be sued because we linked to one competitor over another. But sometimes you just have to take action, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! If we stop providing links (to a willing partner!) on our Web pages because we are afraid their competition is going to sue us, then we have become (imho) overly cautious and indeed passive in our approach to providing information resources. I vote for the links, and be as creative as possible! Mark Stover ---------------------------- Mark Stover, Director of Library and Information Services Phillips Graduate Institute, 5445 Balboa Blvd., Encino, CA 91316 Phone: 818/386-5641 / Fax: 818/386-5699 / email: mstover@pgi.edu From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Wed Aug 20 18:52:13 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: [CONF] Rights, Limitations & Exceptions: Striking a Proper Balance Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970820185213.005e5690@nlc-bnc.ca> Rights, Limitations & Exceptions: Striking a Proper Balance An international open forum for debating the issues in the digital environment Amsterdam Marriott Hotel, The Netherlands 30-31 October 1997 CONFERENCE CHAIRMAN - Dr Mih?ly Ficsor Assistant Director General, WIPO KEYNOTE SPEECH - Dr Bernt Hugenholtz Institute for Information Law, University of Amsterdam WORKING GROUP CHAIRMEN Dr Thomas Dreier, Head of Department, Max Planck Institute Mr Stephen Edwards, Partner, Richards Butler Mrs Tarja Koskinen-Olsson, Manager, Kopiosto Mr Ralph Oman, Counsel, Dechert Price & Rhoads, and former US Register of Copyrights Mr Bernard Sorkin, Senior Counsel, Time Warner Mr Jean-Paul Triaille, member of the Legal Advisory Board, DGXIII PANEL RESPONSE by representatives from WIPO, DGXV, US Copyright Office and Eastern/Central Europe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RIGHTS, LIMITATIONS & EXCEPTIONS: STRIKING A PROPER BALANCE is jointly arranged by IMPRIMATUR* (a European Commission Esprit project supported by DGIII) and IFLA, the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions. It forms the third of five Consensus Fora to be arranged by IMPRIMATUR and will examine some of the issues arising from the move between analogue and digital environments. The copyright law of most countries attempts to achieve a balance between the legitimate right of the creator to exploit his work, and the right of the user to gain access to it. Under various fair dealing, library privilege and private use provisions exemptions may be granted to specific users or for specified activities. Finding such a balance to take account of conflicting interests can be difficult to agree, particularly in the electronic environment where control over copying is still hard to achieve. While decisions have recently been made regarding some aspects of how rights and exceptions can be transferred and redefined in the digital environment, rights holders are understandably anxious not to lose control over their work and users are keen not to lose sight of rights they worked hard to gain in the analogue environment. The Conference has been planned by a broadly based Steering Committee consisting of representatives from the IPA, FEP and International STM (publishing), ACT (television) and EBU (broadcasting), IFPI (music), EACEM (consumer electronics), FIAPF (film), IFRRO (reproduction rights), Telia Infomedia Centre (telcos), Bild Kunst (visual artists), GESAC (collecting societies), EMF (multimedia), ECUP (users) and EWC (writers). PLENARY SESSIONS AND PARALLEL WORKING GROUPS Day One Dr Bernt Hugenholtz (Institute of Information Law, University of Amsterdam) will set the scene with a keynote presentation which will provide the background to the current legal position regarding rights and exceptions worldwide. Delegates will then split into Working Groups each looking at the same range of topics. Day Two Conference delegates will reconvene on Day Two into a plenary session. Chairmen of Working Groups will report on the debate and findings of their group. This will be followed by an open forum providing the opportunity for questions and answers. A panel response will follow with representatives of WIPO, DGXV, the United States Copyright Office and a spokesperson from Central/Eastern Europe, giving the view from their own particular perspective. There will be an opportunity for further questions before the close of the Conference. Working Groups The range of topics to be discussed by working groups will cover: ? Scope of rights in copyright Transient copying; incidental copying; caching; browsing ? Non-commercial uses Libraries and archives; education; disability; personal use; private copying ? Commercial and technical solutions Site licences; technical protection systems; rights management and collection mechanisms ? Public interest News; criticism; review; public domain/duration; moral rights; non-voluntary licences DRAFT AGENDA DAY ONE 09.00 Registration 09.30-09.40 Chairman?s welcome 09.40-10.30 Keynote speech 10.30-11.00 Break 11.00-13.00 Working Groups 13.00-14.00 Lunch 14.00-16.30 Working Groups DAY TWO 09.30-09.45 Chairman?s opening remarks 09.45-11.00 Working Group reports 11.00-11.30 Break 11.30-13.00 Working Group reports and Q & A 13.00-14.00 Lunch 14.00-15.15 Panel Response 15.15-15.30 Break 15.30-16.30 Q & A Session 16.30 Chairman?s concluding remarks 16.45 Close of Conference Who should attend the conference? Anyone interested in the balance of rights would benefit from attending this conference, particularly those involved in the ownership, negotiation or use of rights, telecommunications, Internet service provision and information mediation. Registration The cost of attending the Rights, Limitations and Exceptions Conference is ?250.00 for commercial and government organisations and ?200.00 for academic institutions and libraries. The registration fee includes documentation and Conference Proceedings, plenary and working group attendance, lunch and refreshments on both days. The price does not include accommodation; details of rooms at a range of prices can be provided upon request. Conference venue The conference will be held at the Amsterdam Marriott Hotel, Stadhouderskade 21, 1054 ES Amsterdam, tel +31 20 607 5555, fax +31 20 607 5511. The hotel is situated in the south-west of the city, close to the Leidseplein and served by the KLM airport bus. Cancellation Up to 10 October 1997, full refund minus 10% administration fee. After this time no refunds will be given. Substitutions may be made at any time without charge; please notify the organisers in advance. While we will endeavour to deal with registrations on a first come first served basis, the balance referred to in the Conference title needs to be preserved. There is also a limit to the number of delegate places available so please return the attached registration form as soon as possible and by 19 September 1997 at the latest to: Sarah Keates IFLA c/o The British Library, Boston Spa, Wetherby, West Yorkshire LS23 7BQ, UK tel +44 1937 546124 fax +44 1937 546478 email sarah.keates@bl.uk More information about IFLA can be found at http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/ and about IMPRIMATUR at http://www.imprimatur.alcs.co.uk * Partners in the IMPRIMATUR ( Intellectual Multimedia Property Rights Model and Terminology for Universal Reference) consortium are: Authors Licensing and Collecting Society, Bertelsmann AG, The British Library, Conf?d?ration des Soci?t?s d?Auteurs, Editeurs et Compositeurs, Tagish Ltd., Croft Communication Consultants, DigiCash, EUSIDIC, Institute of Information Law, University of Amsterdam, International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, The Interactive Multimedia Association of the USA, Teles AG, Telia Infomedia, University of Florence. Associate partners are: EDItEUR, United States Copyright Office, EBLIDA, International STM, IFRRO, Association of European Performers? Organisations. *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ RIGHTS, LIMITATIONS AND EXCEPTIONS: STRIKING A PROPER BALANCE REGISTRATION FORM NAME_______________________________________________ COMPANY___________________________________________ ADDRESS____________________________________________ TEL_________________________________________________ FAX_________________________________________________ EMAIL_______________________________________________ Special dietary requirements_____________________________ Please tick boxes as appropriate: Commercial/government ?250.00 Academic/libraries ?200.00 Payment methods: Cheque in sterling made payable to IFLA UAP Please send an invoice By bank transfer (without charge to recipient) to: National Westminster Bank, Wetherby. Account name: IFLA Office for UAP, Account number 03520366, Sort code: 55 81 11, Reference: Rights. Send to: Sarah Keates, IFLA, c/o The British Library, Boston Spa, Wetherby, West Yorks. LS23 7BQ, UK. tel +44 1937 546124, fax +44 1937 546478, email sarah.keates@bl.uk From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Wed Aug 20 22:47:07 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt Message-ID: <01BCADA1.E82C79A0@port95.northwest.com> Brock Meeks, cyber columnist for MSNBC, has written a column about me called "The Case of the "Radical" Librarian" See http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp I'm finally starting to make some headway in my battle to counter ALA's views on filtering. David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org David_Burt@filteringfacts.org The case of the 'radical' librarian Why his colleagues in libraries are ganging up on David Burt WASHINGTON - If David Burt were a man of the cloth he might be labeled a heretic. Instead he has been branded an "extremist" and "unethical" by members of his own profession: librarians. To sneak a peek at Burt's e-mail, you'd think his colleagues had turned on him because he advocates burning books. BURT'S "CRIME" is that he advocates the use of "filtering" software to keep kids from looking at Internet pornography on their local library's computer. Opponents of Burt's stance, and they are legion, call filtering software "censor-ware" because it is notorious for hidden agendas and actually censoring much more than obscene materials. I know first-hand how devious these blocking software packages are; Declan McCullagh of the Netly News and I broke the story on their hidden agendas in a CyberWire Dispatch article last year. These packages block political views, educational sites and various other information based solely on someone's notion of what is right or wrong for children to view. But here's another fact: Most of the software allows the user to tweak the programs so that only pornographic sites are blocked, thus providing a wide-open field of other materials. THE LIBRARY BILL OF RIGHTS In a recent column, I took the American Library Association to task for its head-in-the-sand approach to the heated debate within its own community - whether or not blocking software should be used in libraries. According to the Library Bill of Rights, anyone of any age has the "right" to use all materials the library carries. That rule was written for the print age and doesn't account for the era of the Internet. Yet the library association has steadfastly refused to engage in any meaningful dialogue about addressing the problem of kids accessing porn on the Net. The association, on the heels of the U.S. Supreme Court decision that declared the federal Communications Decency Act unconstitutional (as a plaintiff in that case, I applauded that decision), issued a statement that said the use of blocking software violates the Library Bill of Rights. Yet the library association, as a plaintiff in the same Supreme Court case, had its lawyers hold up blocking software as an example of why legislation wasn't needed to "protect kids." Today the library association derides filtering software and instead suggests that librarians create and "promote library Web pages designed both for general use and for use by children. These pages should point to sites that have been reviewed by library staff." None of which are pornographic, I guarantee you. ENTER THE 'RADICAL' So David Burt has embarked on his "radical" campaign of advocating the intelligent use of blocking software through an organization called "Filtering Facts" I say "intelligent" because Burt preaches that librarians know how to tweak the blocking software so it is set to only block pornography. Burt says he has a growing number of supporters, yet many are afraid to speak out, fearing professional retribution. Many libraries also are running scared because of what Burt characterizes as "intimidation tactics" being used by the American Civil Liberties Union. Burt says the ACLU has threatened to sue several libraries for installing blocking software. THE SLIPPERY SLOPE What about the "slippery slop" argument? That being, if libraries start to censor pornography - and let's be clear, this is a censorship issue - that other areas will quickly follow. "We're not talking about banning books like " 'The Diary of Anne Frank' or 'Huckleberry Finn,' " Burt says. "Filtering software is just making the Internet look more representative of what is in the stacks. If it's not something (a library) would buy to put on the shelves, why object to having it blocked online?" Good question. A statement on blocking software, put out by the library association's Intellectual Freedom Committee, says: "Blocking Internet sites is antithetical to library missions because it requires the library to limit information access." Small problem, Burt says. Libraries routinely limit access to information as a matter of policy. Every library has a "collection development policy" that determines what types of materials are put on its shelves, Burt says. "Libraries put a lot of thought into these policies," he says. "But they are treating the Internet like a big switch and not putting any thought into it at all." Here's a little experiment for you. Ask to see your local library's collection development policy. Note what the library will and will not buy and see if you can walk over to the nearest computer terminal and access any of the unacceptable material on the Net. Then summon a librarian and ask him or her to explain why it is that you - or your child - are allowed to access this information via the library's computer, but can't find it on the library's shelves. NO LOCO PARENTS Another favorite argument the library association likes to toss out is: "librarians do not serve in loco parentis" or, in English: They aren't supposed to baby-sit your kids. And to some extent, the association is right. Libraries aren't watchdogs for parents who use them as free depositories for their kids. But it is also true, as Burt says, that "the community entrusts its children to be safe in the library because the community assumes that the library has some minimum standards for what types of materials a child might encounter." And, like it or not, a library operates from tax revenue paid by parents making those "safe library" assumptions. Librarians are public servants first and free speech absolutists second - or they should be. (That statement will surely get me kicked off the library association's Christmas, er? "holiday" greetings list.) I'm not saying libraries must buckle to right-wing fanatics who demand books be removed from shelves. Spare me that drivel. I'm simply saying that it's not a huge intellectual leap to have a library tailor its Internet access for kids to conform with the material on the shelves. People have accused Burt and his organization of being a "front" for right-wing conservatives. I challenged him on this. "I'm an atheist and a Democrat," he responds. "This isn't a religious or liberal/conservative issue." A PORN TOO FAR Can a library take Burt's position too far? Certainly. If libraries do install blocking software they must be diligent in maintaining it, seeing that its databases are regularly updated and that only the pornographic blocking categories are used. Second, there must be a mechanism for allowing the blocking software to be disabled at the request of parents. This issue is too serious to be resolved overnight. There must be a full, public debate on the issues before the community and its library decide together what course to take. Surely librarians aren't afraid of healthy debate. Or are they? Meeks out? From mmhung at hknet.com Thu Aug 21 00:00:25 1997 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: [TECH] Win95 multiboot Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821120025.006c4e9c@pop3.hknet.com> When is the Win95 multiboot file, mine is like a mess and need some edit! *************************************************************************** michael hung SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 NIV Homepage = http://hkein.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@hkstar.com [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idayhchan@valise.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Thu Aug 21 01:03:07 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:34 2005 Subject: NY Times Article on Filtering Mentions Filtering Facts Message-ID: <01BCADB5.B01B5B80@port75.northwest.com> Today's NY Times has an article entitled "ACLU Attacks Filter Software in Libraries" at http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/law/082197law.html It contains some quotes from that noted constitutional law scholar, David Burt: David Burt, a public librarian from Lake Oswego, Ore., thinks that by offering patrons use of an Internet terminal, the library has not "acquired" the contents of the Internet. Rather, the library has offered its patrons a means to access off-site materials, in the same way it might offer patrons an inter-library loan program or the use of a television. "There's a big difference between removing a book and choosing not to provide access to material that's remote from the library," said Burt, founder of Filtering Facts, a nonprofit corporation that promotes the use of filtering software by libraries. "When I went to college, the library there had TVs that only got CNN and PBS. Everything else was blocked. Nobody said that was censorship." From barek at scar.utoronto.ca Fri Aug 22 08:53:49 1997 From: barek at scar.utoronto.ca (William Barek) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Symposium Announcement Message-ID: <33FD8BDB.44C1@scar.utoronto.ca> ================= Symposium Announcement ======================== The Centre for Instructional Technology Development, University of Toronto at Scarborough, is presenting a symposium entitled BEYOND PRINT: SCHOLARLY PUBLISHING AND COMMUNICATION IN THE ELECTRONIC ENVIRONMENT, September 26-27, 1997. Speakers at the symposium will discuss the rapidly changing world of scholarly and scientific communication as it evolves from a paper-based model to one based on electronic networks that transcend traditional publishing boundaries. The implications of this shift involve the economics of the new forms of publishing, control of the publishing media, peer review and quality control, the role of government agencies and university administrators, accessibility, legal and copyright issues, and questions of retrieval, archiving, and changing technology. Keynote speaker will be Dr. Stevan Harnad, an acknowledged pioneer in the emerging field of networked scholarly publishing, and founding editor of the journal Behavioural and Brain Sciences and the first peer-reviewed psychology e-journal, Psycoloquy. Other speakers will include Margot Montgomery, Director General of the National Research Council of Canada; Taissa Kusma, Director of Electronic Product Development, Academic Press; Lesley Ellen Harris, author of the book Canadian Copyright Law; Richard Hulser, Consultant for the IBM Digital Library program; Gregory Crane, Editor-in-Chief of the Perseus Project; Shealagh Pope, Project Director of the e-journal Conservation Ecology; Peter Boyce, Senior Associate of e-publishing at the American Astronomical Society, Barbara Kirsop and Vandelei Canhos of Bioline Publications; Ian Lancashire, Founder of the Centre for Computing in the Humanities at the University of Toronto. (For a complete list of speakers and agenda, see: http://citd.scar.utoronto.ca/EPub/agenda.html). The symposium will be of interest to academics and researchers, librarians and publishers, computer specialists, and anyone who is a stakeholder in the realm of scholarly and scientific communication. Proceedings begin at 1 p.m. on Friday, September 26 and continue until 9 p.m., then reconvene Saturday, September 27 from 9 a.m. until 5 p.m. A dinner/reception will be held on Friday at 5:30. The registration fee is $60 for individuals from non-profit or educational institutions, $120 for individuals from business or corporations, $30 for students. The fee includes conference materials, refreshments, and Friday's dinner/reception. U of T at Scarborough is located at: 1265 Military Trail, Scarborough, Ontario, M1C 1A4. For more information or to register electronically, visit our Web site at: http://citd.scar.utoronto.ca/Epub/1997.html or contact symposium co-ordinator Leslie Chan (chan@scar.utoronto.ca). You may also call (416) 287-7505. ============================================================= Registration for BEYOND PRINT: SCHOLARLY PUBLISHING AND COMMUNICATION IN THE ELECTRONIC ENVIORNMENT September 26-27, 1997 University of Toronto at Scarborough. First Name:_________________ Last Name:_____________________ Institution/Organization:________________________________________ Address:_________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ City:_____________ Province/State:_______________ Country:__________ Postal Code: ________________ Phone:________________ e-mail:________________________ Fee: Individuals from non-profit or educational institutions: $60 Cdn Individuals from business or corporations: $120 Cdn Students: $30 Cdn Please make cheque or money order to : The University of Toronto Send completed registration form and payment to : Centre for Instructional Technology Development University of Toronto at Scarborough 1265 Military Trail Scarborough, Ontario M1C 1A4 Canada From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Aug 22 08:44:29 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Self-promotion References: <3.0.1.32.19970821164541.00c8aea4@panix.com> Message-ID: <33FD89AD.55F9@morrisville.edu> I agree entirely with Karen on this topic. If we don't promote ourselves we sell our institutions short as well as our profession. I am proud of what I written, created on the net, and of what I have taught. I have benefited, Morrisville College has benefited, and hopefully so has the profession of librarianship. Are we ashamed of what we do? Why must we be quiet? I will not and cannot be quiet. Thank you. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From pem at po.cwru.edu Fri Aug 22 08:51:35 1997 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: logins, leading to UNIX access Message-ID: <178895.3081228695@ganges.lit.cwru.edu> --On Thu, Aug 21, 1997 9:48 AM -0700 "Robert Rasmussen" wrote: > For you web4lib readers, I'm expanding a discussion from the Innopac mailing > list, as I think it has interesting and serious implications, and I can see > how you enjoy a good debate. > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Peter Murray wrote: > >> In the INNOPAC world, libraries typically do not have access to the UNIX >> shell to make such changes... For those that feel they are jumping into a thread that started on another mailing list, you are. Here are the posts from the INNOPAC archive that started it all: [Oddly enough, the original post doesn't seem to appear in the web version of the INNOPAC list archives, it is in the LISTSERV@MAINE.MAINE.EDU archive in the "INNOPAC LOG9708" file. Robert include it in his reply listed below.] "Re: logins" -- Robert Rasmussen http://corso.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/~iii/1997/1940.html "Re: logins" -- Peter Murray http://corso.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/~iii/1997/1942.html And there have been several replies on the INNOPAC list since his post to the Web4Lib list: "Reply to Bob Rasmussen re: system access" -- Tom McNeely http://corso.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/~iii/1997/1955.html "Re: Reply to Bob Rasmussen re: system access" -- Robert Rasmussen http://corso.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/~iii/1997/1958.html "access to UNIX" -- Sandra Card http://corso.ccsu.ctstateu.edu/~iii/1997/1962.html I for one intend to follow my colleagues on the INNOPAC list and post my replies only to that group as this topic doesn't directly relate to Web technologies in Libraries. Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-5888 From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Aug 22 08:54:20 1997 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Weird pdf printing problems Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970822085420.006c162c@panix.com> Speaking of printing problems, I have a pdf printing problem (related, I hope you agree, since where else do I get these digital tomes but the Web). I thought it was work-related (Win 3.1, Novell network, Netscape, slightly aged reader, etc.) but then had the same problem at home (Win95, standalone, MSIE, new reader...). Sometimes--and fortunately I've only see this happen with small documents--I'll try to print the document and it is interpreted as much longer than it really is and prints out all kerflummeled. As in, I see a one-page document on the screen, I go to print, and suddenly it says "printing one of 4" and I can even see it spool the "four" pages. Four garbled pages then spew from the printer. I can try again and print just one nice little page. Should I try to run pdf from the command line (e.g. acroread.exe -kerflummel), or is there a better fix? ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) From walderan at oplin.lib.oh.us Fri Aug 22 09:22:27 1997 From: walderan at oplin.lib.oh.us (Toni Walder) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: The Library Channel Message-ID: <33FD9293.70AB@oplin.lib.oh.us> I have some very strong concerns about The Library Channel (or any similar software product) for public libraries. Some are practical, some philosophical. My practical concerns include: 1) cost -- for my library with 10 PAC/Internet terminals, the cost was $6000, 2) display limitations -- you have little or no choice of screen displays or catagories of information, 3) enormous amount of work involved -- we buy 12,000 books a year and it keeps us very busy, I don't have the staff to select 12,000 Web sites and add them to The Library Channel, 4) limited scope of information -- even if we DID input 12,000 Web sites it would fall far short of answering the variety of questions the Web is capable of answering. My philosophical concerns relate to the practical ones: 1) The Internet IS NOT like our old reference tools -- both in the scope of information and the access points available to retrieve it, it far surpasses what a smaller library like mine could have offered to customers just two or three years ago. Why put some a stringent artificial limit on what is available (The Library Channel mentions sites in the 15,000-45,000 range, when there are millions of sites out there)? Also, by using lists developed by other Library Channel customers, we are once again deferring the selection to outside entities. Perhaps most personal, in the Library Channel demonstration I saw, the library's other resources were denoted by one nondescript button on the screen. While the Internet is a wonderful tool for libraries, it doesn't replace all the myriad functions we offer and I don't want to give customer s the idea that it does. -- Toni Walder (walderan@oplin.lib.oh.us) Wright Memorial Public Library, 1776 Far Hills Ave, Dayton OH 45419 937-294-8572 (voice), 937-294-8578 (fax) "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history -- with the possible exception of handguns and tequila." Mitch Ratcliffe, Technology Review. From hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Aug 22 09:49:12 1997 From: hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (laura hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: perl question Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970822134912.006b20a8@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu> Hi folks, As I mentioned in an earlier message, we at Ohio University are moving to a Web front-end for most of our patron terminals. We've been given some perl cgi scripts from people on this list-serv to help with IP address validation (so that people can not get to a database which is licensed for on-campus use from off-campus) and to make a log file so that we can keep statistics on how many people access each database. I've decided to put two scripts together using an if/else structure, so that first the IP address is checked, and then if it is on-campus, the patron is redirected to the database and an entry is made in the log file. If IP address is incorrect, they will get an error message and no mark will be made in the log. I am still a (very) beginning perl scripter and am having trouble getting this script to work correctly. At present, it passes the user to the database and marks the log file regardless of the users IP address. Does anybody out there have the expertise and the time to take a look at my script and see if there is some error which would cause this? I've included it, with comments, below. Best to reply to me privately, I think. Thanks in advance, Laura Hudson Alden Library Reference Department Ohio University Libraries lhudson1@ohiou.edu &GetInst($ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}); #this script has been modified for an nt server. to run this script, put it in your cgi folder, #then point at it from your browser like this: #the log file that the script will create if the ip address is correct. rename this for your #own path $curlog = "f:\\temp\\redirect.txt"; #splits up the ip address into four variables for our log file (we just happen to want it that #way). $ip = "$ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}"; ($IP1, $IP2, $IP3, $IP4) = split /\./, $ip; #the delimiters to be used between fields in the log file $delim = "\n"; $field_sep = "\t"; # Code to produce string which is date and time ($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year) = localtime( time ); $mday = '0' . $mday if (length( $mday ) < 2); $TimeOnly = sprintf("%02d:%02d:%02d", $hour, $min, $sec); $month = (Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr,May,Jun,Jul,Aug,Sep,Oct,Nov,Dec)[$mon]; $DateOnly = $month."/".$mday."/"."19".$year; $tzone = "-0800"; $logdate =" ".$DateOnly." ".$TimeOnly." "; #if the ip address is correct, make a notation in the log file and run sub re_direct if ($in {'user_inst'} = "internal") { &re_direct( "$ENV{'QUERY_STRING'}" ); open( FILE, ">>$curlog" ); print FILE $IP1, $field_sep, $IP2, $field_sep, $IP3, $field_sep, $IP4, $field_sep, $logdate, $field_sep, "$ENV{'QUERY_STRING'}", $delim; close( FILE ); } #if the ip address is wrong, give them an error message else { print "Content type=text\n\n"; print "your ip address is incorrect"; } #the ip address checker--the address pattern will need to be turned into a pattern match after #you modify it to check against your own machine. sub GetInst { local ($user_ip); $user_ip = "$_[0]"; if ($user_ip =~ /^132\.235\.63\.118/) { $user_inst = "internal"; } else { $user_inst = "external"; } return $user_inst; } #the part that redirects the user to the url listed on the link after the "?" sub re_direct { local ($location) = @_; print <<"--end--"; Content-type: text/html Location: $location

301 Redirect

Document is located at $location --end-- } From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Aug 22 09:39:07 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Speakable pages References: <970821223251.20204122@main.morris.org> Message-ID: <33FD967A.54D7F578@am.appstate.edu> And for those PC users try Read2me2 [r2m2] can be downloaded from http://www.pixi.com/~reader1/index.html This program is written for Win 3.1 but will run under windows 95. Voice emulation needs improvement and needs teaching right from the start, but what can you expect for free. R2m2 is in Beta .92 now and worth looking at (or is that listening to) and keeping up with. This is not a voice recognition program at all but will read your web page if r2m2 is open before your browser is open. R2m2 will also read text files using file open command, and the program will read information copied to the clipboard. (requires sound card, will not work through pc speaker) If you are aware of others please post. Thomas Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library wrote: > Mac users! This is sooo coool! Install MacLynxBeta1 (fast fish!! this > thing > blisters), turn on SpeechManager...and! when you select P)rint one > of your options is to have the page spoken. Great way to check pages > for readability even if you do not have a speech synthesizer on yr > machine. > Now, if Fred and Junior would just learn to pronounce LIE-brarian, not > > LIB-rarian ... -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ If it works, don't fix it! From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Fri Aug 22 10:03:47 1997 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Odyssey: A Web Browser With Local Management of Browser Features Message-ID: The UC Davis Center for Medical Informatics in the course of producing a research tool has developed Odyssey, a web browser optimized for multi-user, shared workstation environments. The browser is not intended as a Netscape or Explorer replacement, but instead addresses several issues common to the use of web browsers in semi-public areas such as a library or hospital ward. It supports password authenticated customization of browser features (printing, open url function, default links) as well as hyperlink directed exclusion of inappropriate sites(through default web page and disabling of 'open URL function'). The Odyssey browser is freeware and Windows95/NT compatible. http://informatics.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mike/odyssey/ From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 22 10:23:46 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks In-Reply-To: <01BCAE7D.DD85A6C0@port52.northwest.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970822092346.007a7410@vms.csd.mu.edu> >possible audience, with the widest range of views included. Most = >Americans *are not* aware of the pro-filtering librarian's side. That's = >really the basis behind Filtering Facts in the first place. And you know this because....? How many Americans know the anti-filtering librarian's side? How many Americans are aware of the filtering debate itself? Most every person I've talked to outside of the library about this issue hadn't even heard of it, or had some vague knowledge about controversy over porn in public libraries, but none had any awareness of the ALA's stand on filtering. In fact, some of my libertarian friends think that libraries already repress free speech. Go figure. I've checked out your web site a few times, and I'm wondering where all the 'facts' are about filters. I'm specifically looking for testing results, explanations of how each filter works, how they are actually utilized in libraries, what they block, etc. etc. How can you espouse the wonders of filters without some sort of testing of the products? Have you actually installed them of your computer and attempted to surf the Web? Have you determined their effectiveness in blocking hard core pornographic sites? Have you estimated the amount of time required to keep the filters up-to-date and working properly in a library setting? I checked out the groups you listed on your site that also support filtering. I find it laughable that one is headed by Donna Rice. Don't ya just love how someone who made a name for herself by sleeping with a married U.S. senator, has suddenly found a conscience and is spending her time telling others how bad they are. Then there's this group, Library Watch, which has the gall to say: "Library Watch Online Magazine covers the news related to Public Libraries using public tax dollars to distribute materials to children that are pornographic, obscene, and/or otherwise illegal. Special note is paid to policies of the ALA (American Library Association) and many (if not most) libraries that defend the librarians right, even obligation, to provide these pornographic, obscene, or harmful materials to children regardless of state laws." Hm...so that explains why the librarian at my local public library was standing at the door handing out copies of Screw to all the kiddies walking in. If that paragraph isn't the biggest load of crap I've read this week. I've had about all I can take of librarians being slandered by these groups, including Family Friendly Libraries. We aren't a cabal of evil-doers whose ultimate goal is to turn every kid under the age of 10 onto hard-core porn and destroy the morality of this country. Most of the librarians in this country are hard working, community-minded, committed folks who are trying their best to serve the information needs of a incredibly diverse body of users. Public librarians, in particular, are faced with so many pressures. I don't care how you feel about filters and how much you think they should be used in public libraries. To align yourself, even on ONE issue, with these groups makes me ill. Rant off, Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Aug 22 10:28:01 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? Message-ID: <33FDA1F1.2524@morrisville.edu> It appears as though Netscape has given us another moving target as far as telent. The "old" trick of using a telnet.bat file no longer works. Anyone knw how to fix this? I tried just selecting the term.exe at the telnet program uinder the Preferences menu. That didn't work either. I want to use the stadalone Netscape 4.0 for our public terminals. I can't do that until I get telnet to work with QVTNet Term. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From jkuntz at rcls.org Fri Aug 22 10:30:38 1997 From: jkuntz at rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Speakable pages References: <33FD967A.54D7F578@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <33FDA28E.3297@rcls.org> Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett wrote: > > And for those PC users try Read2me2 [r2m2] can be downloaded from > http://www.pixi.com/~reader1/index.html > This program is written for Win 3.1 but will run under windows 95. > Voice emulation needs improvement and needs teaching right from the > start, but what can you expect for free. R2m2 is in Beta .92 now and > worth looking at (or is that listening to) and keeping up with. This is > not a voice recognition program at all but will read your web page if > r2m2 is open before your browser is open. R2m2 will also read text > files using file open command, and the program will read information > copied to the clipboard. (requires sound card, will not work through pc > speaker) > > If you are aware of others please post. > Another one is pwWebSpeak. Info at: http://www.prodworks.com/pwwebspk.htm Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From imsmm at MERKLAND.RGU.AC.UK Fri Aug 22 11:30:22 1997 From: imsmm at MERKLAND.RGU.AC.UK (Mike McConnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Online Information Skills Tuition Message-ID: < -- Apologies for cross-posting -- > I am currently involved in a project which seeks to integrate materials on the Internet with local open learning resources to provide an enhanced learning environment in the public library. Can anyone on the list can recommend open learning materials on the Internet suitable for supporting the teaching and learning of information skills (IS) by the independent learner in a public library environment? These should be generic and transferable information skills which will enable individuals to identify, acquire and analyse resources to support their learning. I am particularly keen to learn of online tutorials, whether they cover generic or subject-specific IS. I am already familiar with the major information providers, projects and gateways such as Edulib, SOSIG, NISS, BIDS, etc, but am also interested in materials that teach individuals how to teach IS. Thanks in anticipation of your help, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McConnell m.mcconnell@rgu.ac.uk Research Assistant Tel: (01224) 262 954 School of Information & Media Fax: (01224) 262 969 Robert Gordon University 352 King Street Aberdeen Me: http://www.rgu.ac.uk/~sim/staff/mmcc/mmcc.htm AB24 5BN Them: http://www.rgu.ac.uk/~sim/research/cal/cal.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From martin at lib.kth.se Fri Aug 22 10:51:56 1997 From: martin at lib.kth.se (Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lind=E9n?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? In-Reply-To: <33FDA1F1.2524@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970822165156.00a54b20@130.237.29.3> I fixed it by using your method with telnet.bat and by inserting in Netscape in Applications C:\program files\QPC\QvtNet\bin\telnet.bat url.dll %1 %2 This did work for Netscape 4.02. The difference is only that I inserted "url.dll" in your line. At 07:41 1997-08-22 -0700, you wrote: >It appears as though Netscape has given us another moving target as far >as telent. The "old" trick of using a telnet.bat file no longer works. >Anyone knw how to fix this? I tried just selecting the term.exe at the >telnet program uinder the Preferences menu. That didn't work either. > >I want to use the stadalone Netscape 4.0 for our public terminals. I >can't do that until I get telnet to work with QVTNet Term. >-- >Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) >SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 >E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu >Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 >Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ >Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: >Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, >Information Today. >Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to >agriculture on the net. >LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of >library pages >-- > > Martin Lind?n Systems Librarian Royal Institute of Technology Library 100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden +46-8-790 6673 fax +46-8-790 7852 e-mail martin@lib.kth.se From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Fri Aug 22 06:03:25 1997 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970822092346.007a7410@vms.csd.mu.edu> Message-ID: <199708221459.JAA00140@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:36:30 -0700 > From: Sheryl Dwinell [...] > faced with so many pressures. I don't care how you feel about filters and > how much you think they should be used in public libraries. To align > yourself, even on ONE issue, with these groups makes me ill. I suppose then in the library profession there is no room for someone who is both a librarian and a member of one of these groups? ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Network Services Librarian Automation Department voice: 713/247-2264 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-1182 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 22 11:15:36 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks In-Reply-To: <199708221459.JAA00140@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us> References: <3.0.2.32.19970822092346.007a7410@vms.csd.mu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970822101536.007a4360@vms.csd.mu.edu> At 10:03 AM 8/22/97 +0000, you wrote: >> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:36:30 -0700 >> From: Sheryl Dwinell > >[...] >> faced with so many pressures. I don't care how you feel about filters and >> how much you think they should be used in public libraries. To align >> yourself, even on ONE issue, with these groups makes me ill. > >I suppose then in the library profession there is no room for >someone who is both a librarian and a member of one of these groups? Any librarian can belong to any group they want. I was stating MY viewpoint. Just as David Burt does when he states "filtering means being a good librarian." That's his viewpoint. It doesn't mean that I have to believe it. What I feel about an issue shouldn't impact what anyone does in their private or public life. Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From jpapier at ilalpha.infolink.org Fri Aug 22 14:25:33 1997 From: jpapier at ilalpha.infolink.org (jpapier) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks References: <3.0.2.32.19970822092346.007a7410@vms.csd.mu.edu> Message-ID: <33FDD99D.CAC1E7A4@infolink.org> Sheryl Dwinell wrote: > "Library Watch Online Magazine covers the news related to Public Libraries > using public tax dollars to distribute materials to children that are > pornographic, obscene, and/or otherwise illegal. Special note is paid to > policies of the ALA (American Library Association) and many (if not most) > libraries that defend the librarians right, even obligation, to provide > these pornographic, obscene, or harmful materials to children regardless of > state laws." > > Hm...so that explains why the librarian at my local public library was > standing at the door handing out copies of Screw to all the kiddies walking > in. If that paragraph isn't the biggest load of crap I've read this week. > I've had about all I can take of librarians being slandered by these > groups, including Family Friendly Libraries. We aren't a cabal of > evil-doers whose ultimate goal is to turn every kid under the age of 10 > onto hard-core porn and destroy the morality of this country. Most of the > librarians in this country are hard working, community-minded, committed > folks who are trying their best to serve the information needs of a > incredibly diverse body of users. Public librarians, in particular, are > faced with so many pressures. I don't care how you feel about filters and > how much you think they should be used in public libraries. To align > yourself, even on ONE issue, with these groups makes me ill. > I spend 99.99% time in lurk mode, but Ms. Dwinell has so succinctly articulated my own frustrations with this whole debate, that I had to come out from under wraps. Librarians indeed are not a "cabal of evil-doers," and do work under considerable, often conflicting social/institutional forces. Unfortunately, IMHO, some of these forces do that peculiarly American thing of using the most moralistic, judgmental, Manichean language possible to set up false dichotomies: bad bad librarians versus holy anti-porn righteousness. I'm _not_ saying there aren't real issues behind this debate. I am saying that ethical complexities and ambiguities, especially in this culture, tend to fall victim to posturing and grandstanding. Lest I be accused of partisanship--an accurate accusation, I might add, since I am largely in the camp of non-filterers--let me say that grandstanding on _both_ sides of this debate has perpetuated distortions and erased nuance: holy holy first amendment folks versus backward redneck Philistines. Back to Mostly Lurk Mode, Jeff Papier Network/Internet Librarian South Brunswick Public Library South Brunswick, NJ From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 22 11:34:28 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970822165156.00a54b20@130.237.29.3> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970822103428.007b01d0@vms.csd.mu.edu> I've also downloaded the stand-alone version of Navigator, 4.02. I tried using C:\program files\QPC\QvtNet\bin\telnet.bat url.dll %1 %2 , but couldn't get that to work since I don't have a file called telnet.bat in the bin directory of QVTNet. So, I put term.exe back in. Also, I had to put a quote before C and after .exe. When I clicked on a telnet hotlink Term opened, but I got an error message that said, "Unable to obtain IP address for url.dll". Finally, I got it to work by typing this: "C:\Program Files\QPC\QVTNet\bin\term.exe" %1 %2 Make note of the quotation marks. And Netscape wants to sell this to Average Joe home user?? Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Aug 22 11:48:59 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Chat groups or chat rooms for librarians Message-ID: <33FDB4EB.1704@morrisville.edu> I have started using chat a little in some of the techie chat rooms and in some of those for those of us in the forty something age group. Are there any for librarians especially academic librarians? I am currently using PowWow and ICQ as well as going to www.wbs.net to use their web based chat. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From martin at lib.kth.se Fri Aug 22 18:29:50 1997 From: martin at lib.kth.se (Martin Lindin Classification department. Royal Institute of Technology Library Stockholm) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? Message-ID: <009B92B1.D746754B.26@lib.kth.se> The last method from Sheryl Dwinell works fine without the quotation marks also. I tried it here on Netscape 4.02. Martin Linden Systems Librarian Stockholm Sweden From smatwick at iisd.ca Fri Aug 22 12:31:42 1997 From: smatwick at iisd.ca (Stacy Matwick) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:35 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks Message-ID: <619641E49D95CF1199BA00A0243D6F3E1F1D23@iisdpost.iisd.ca> Sorry but I have to add my two cents. As a corporate/NGO library I find all the furor fancinating but Clive Thompson's article in Shift states my opinion nicely. Have a look. http://www.shift.com/shiftonline/html/05_filter.html Stacy Matwick Information for Sustainable Development Project International Institute for Sustainable Development 161 Portage Avenue East, 6th Floor Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3B 0Y4 Voice: 1-204-958-7755 Fax: 1-204-958-7710 E-mail: smatwick@iisd.ca WWW home page: http://iisd1.iisd.ca From gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu Fri Aug 22 13:00:31 1997 From: gordonjp at dominican.dominican.edu (Jean P. Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: MSNBC Column on David Burt References: <01BCADA1.E82C79A0@port95.northwest.com> Message-ID: <33FDC5AF.116A@dominican.edu> I heard on PRI that many of the pornographic sites require the use of a credit card number to access their material. Is there any way to build a patron barcode into a filter which would allow full access to adult patrons and limit access to children? I am normally against censorship in libraries, although I recognize that collection development is a form of censorship, but do have some real reservations about having my grandchildren search out pornography on the Internet. It is not an easy question! Jean Gordon filteringfacts wrote: > > Brock Meeks, cyber columnist for MSNBC, has written a column about me called "The Case of the "Radical" Librarian" > > See http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp > > I'm finally starting to make some headway in my battle to counter ALA's views on filtering. > > David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org > David_Burt@filteringfacts.org > > The case of the 'radical' librarian > Why his colleagues in libraries are ganging up on David Burt > > WASHINGTON - If David Burt were a man of the > cloth he might be labeled a heretic. Instead he > has been branded an "extremist" and > "unethical" by members of his own profession: > librarians. To sneak a peek at Burt's e-mail, > you'd think his colleagues had turned on him > because he advocates burning books. > > BURT'S "CRIME" is that he advocates the use of > "filtering" software to keep kids from looking at Internet > pornography on their local library's computer. Opponents > of Burt's stance, and they are legion, call filtering software > "censor-ware" because it is notorious for hidden agendas > and actually censoring much more than obscene materials. > I know first-hand how devious these blocking software > packages are; Declan McCullagh of the Netly News and I > broke the story on their hidden agendas in a CyberWire > Dispatch article last year. These packages block political > views, educational sites and various other information based > solely on someone's notion of what is right or wrong for > children to view. > But here's another fact: Most of the software allows > the user to tweak the programs so that only pornographic > sites are blocked, thus providing a wide-open field of other > materials. > > THE LIBRARY BILL OF RIGHTS > In a recent column, I took the American Library > Association to task for its head-in-the-sand approach to the > heated debate within its own community - whether or not > blocking software should be used in libraries. According to > the Library Bill of Rights, anyone of any age has the "right" > to use all materials the library carries. That rule was written > for the print age and doesn't account for the era of the > Internet. Yet the library association has steadfastly refused > to engage in any meaningful dialogue about addressing the > problem of kids accessing porn on the Net. > The association, on the heels of the U.S. Supreme > Court decision that declared the federal Communications > Decency Act unconstitutional (as a plaintiff in that case, I > applauded that decision), issued a statement that said the > use of blocking software violates the Library Bill of Rights. > Yet the library association, as a plaintiff in the same > Supreme Court case, had its lawyers hold up blocking > software as an example of why legislation wasn't needed to > "protect kids." > Today the library association derides filtering software > and instead suggests that librarians create and "promote > library Web pages designed both for general use and for > use by children. These pages should point to sites that have > been reviewed by library staff." None of which are > pornographic, I guarantee you. > > ENTER THE 'RADICAL' > So David Burt has embarked on his "radical" campaign > of advocating the intelligent use of blocking software > through an organization called "Filtering Facts" I say > "intelligent" because Burt preaches that librarians know how > to tweak the blocking software so it is set to only block > pornography. > > Burt says he has a growing number of supporters, yet > many are afraid to speak out, fearing professional > retribution. Many libraries also are running scared because > of what Burt characterizes as "intimidation tactics" being > used by the American Civil Liberties Union. Burt says the > ACLU has threatened to sue several libraries for installing > blocking software. > > THE SLIPPERY SLOPE > What about the "slippery slop" argument? That being, if > libraries start to censor pornography - and let's be clear, > this is a censorship issue - that other areas will quickly > follow. "We're not talking about banning books like " 'The > Diary of Anne Frank' or 'Huckleberry Finn,' " Burt says. > "Filtering software is just making the Internet look more > representative of what is in the stacks. If it's not something > (a library) would buy to put on the shelves, why object to > having it blocked online?" > Good question. A statement on blocking software, put > out by the library association's Intellectual Freedom > Committee, says: "Blocking Internet sites is antithetical to > library missions because it requires the library to limit > information access." > Small problem, Burt says. Libraries routinely limit > access to information as a matter of policy. Every library > has a "collection development policy" that determines what > types of materials are put on its shelves, Burt says. > "Libraries put a lot of thought into these policies," he says. > "But they are treating the Internet like a big switch and not > putting any thought into it at all." > Here's a little experiment for you. Ask to see your local > library's collection development policy. Note what the > library will and will not buy and see if you can walk over to > the nearest computer terminal and access any of the > unacceptable material on the Net. Then summon a librarian > and ask him or her to explain why it is that you - or your > child - are allowed to access this information via the > library's computer, but can't find it on the library's shelves. > > NO LOCO PARENTS > Another favorite argument the library association likes > to toss out is: "librarians do not serve in loco parentis" or, in > English: They aren't supposed to baby-sit your kids. And to > some extent, the association is right. Libraries aren't > watchdogs for parents who use them as free depositories > for their kids. But it is also true, as Burt says, that "the > community entrusts its children to be safe in the library > because the community assumes that the library has some > minimum standards for what types of materials a child might > encounter." > > And, like it or not, a library operates from tax revenue > paid by parents making those "safe library" assumptions. > Librarians are public servants first and free speech > absolutists second - or they should be. (That statement > will surely get me kicked off the library association's > Christmas, er? "holiday" greetings list.) > I'm not saying libraries must buckle to right-wing > fanatics who demand books be removed from shelves. > Spare me that drivel. I'm simply saying that it's not a huge > intellectual leap to have a library tailor its Internet access for > kids to conform with the material on the shelves. > People have accused Burt and his organization of being > a "front" for right-wing conservatives. I challenged him on > this. "I'm an atheist and a Democrat," he responds. "This > isn't a religious or liberal/conservative issue." > > A PORN TOO FAR > Can a library take Burt's position too far? Certainly. If > libraries do install blocking software they must be diligent in > maintaining it, seeing that its databases are regularly updated > and that only the pornographic blocking categories are > used. Second, there must be a mechanism for allowing the > blocking software to be disabled at the request of parents. > This issue is too serious to be resolved overnight. There > must be a full, public debate on the issues before the > community and its library decide together what course to > take. Surely librarians aren't afraid of healthy debate. Or > are they? > Meeks out? > -- ************************************************************* Jean P. Gordon Phone: 415-257-0196 Archbishop Alemany Library Fax: 415-459-2309 Dominican College 50 Acacia Avenue E-mail: gordonjp@dominican.edu San Rafael, CA 94901 Web page: http://www.dominican.edu ************************************************************* From webguru at gtu.edu Fri Aug 22 13:00:12 1997 From: webguru at gtu.edu (Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Lets self promote Message-ID: OK at the risk of annoying others on the list, a risk we take whenever we post, I propose the following. Lets self promote in this tread, that way folks can ignore. Beside I'm real curious as to what you folks are doing and this is a way for me to find out. As for me I'll start by promoting all of the cool stuff that our staff at the GTU Library have been getting up on our web pages. http://www.gtu.edu/library/ Checkout our link pages which are still under development. Who konws you might want to link to them from your institution. As for my personal web pages, which include the _Librarian's Guide to Anime and Manga_ check out: http://www.sirius.com/~cowpunk/ OK your turn. Library Internet Resources Co-ordinator webguru@gtu.edu (currently Gilles Poitras gpoitras@gtu.edu) Graduate Theological Union Library 2400 Ridge Road Berkeley, California, USA http://www.gtu.edu/library/ From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 22 13:10:29 1997 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Beyond Beyond: Data Mining, Knowledge Discovery, and Visualization of MetaDated Collections Message-ID: <9708221711.AA20424@library.berkeley.edu> Beyond Beyond: Data Mining, Knowledge Discovery, and Visualization of MetaDated Collections Over the past several weeks I have posted several queries requesting information relating to Data Mining and Knowledge Discovery in Databases (KDD) and 'neo- conventional' thesauri. While my focus has been on conventional library cataloging formats (i.e. MARC) and conventional subject access inventions (e.g thesauri), my Quest certainly applies to other types of formats and data, most notably MetaData. Thus, [Thus?], I am interested in learning about any and all efforts that have applied Data Mining and/or conventional/neo-conventional Knowledge Discovery and/or Information Visualization to collections that have been wrapped in MetaData (e.g. TEI, Dublin Core, SGML (?), etc.) At this time I am _Not_ Interested in the projects of the geo-spatial realm [This no doubt will become an area that will need to be explored at another point] As always, any and all leads, citations, comments, criticisms, critiques or commentary will be most welcome. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(Sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent It!" Attributed to Peter Drucker From schnell.9 at osu.edu Fri Aug 22 13:25:44 1997 From: schnell.9 at osu.edu (Eric Schnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: WinQVT Telnet & Netscape 4.02 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970822132541.00912560@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 507 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19970822/b86c9b65/attachment.bin From bo at sonoma.lib.ca.us Fri Aug 22 13:34:49 1997 From: bo at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Bo Simons) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: The Library Channel Message-ID: <33FDCDB9.6034@sonoma.lib.ca.us> I responded to Deirdre Woodward post on The Library Channel offlist with a copy to Karen Schneider. I tested The Library Channel for The Filter Assessment Project (TIFAP). I wrote an e-mail summing up my thoughts on the product to Karen, and that is basically what I sent on to Deidre. I was not sure whether Karen wanted us TIFAP volunteers to keep our thoughts to ourselves until she got her book out, but Karen urged me to share my impressions. So below is a somewhat edited version of what I sent Karen regarding the Library Channel. The product itself looks spiffy and slick, once you get the psychedelic effects under control. The copies that Karen Schneider and I received had to have some tweaking done to make them look and behave as they should. Once tweaked, the production values on the graphics, if not the aesthetics, were impressive. TLC consists of a main page listing 16 "Worlds," e.g. "Careers and Jobs World," "Sports and Recreation World," etc. Click on a "world" and you get a submenu of choices within that "world." Usually one or two submenu choices gets you to a set of "Cybershelves," which are a listing of WWW sites displayed as a bank of nien video screens. The product I tested came with a basic set of about 12,500 sites selected by librarians in Ohio. You may add sites to the various worlds. You may operate The Library Channel either as a locked down set of links, or as a wide-open way to get at the web. That is you can set so your users can either get to only TLC included sites, or they can go anyplace. You can also build you own stoplist of sites you would prefer your users not visit. This seems like a massive front end to put on a library's window on the web. You want a good set of links, open on Carole Leita's page, or Yahoo. The librarians in Ohio did a good job of selecting a lot of sites. These are some great sites, and there is a lot of variety. I have heard that there set out to do 20,000 and would up with only 12,500. To me, just by a gross rule of thumb, a web site is less than a decent book, fiction or nonfiction, in terms of the thought behind it, and the information a user may extract from it. But just for argument's sake let's say a website is equal to a book. A general, non-specialized collection of books that is only 12,500 volumes (or even 20,000) is a pretty thin branch public library, an underfed high school library. The universe of sties on the Library Channel is a limited one. I could answer only about a third of the test questions on Phase two with the sites on the Channel. When an appropriate site is there, the Channel works well if you can figure out which of the "worlds" was the appropriate one. This is not always easy. Cooking, recipes and drinking are under 'Family World.' (An aside on the choice of names for parts of the Channel: they bothered me. I felt like I was in a cheesy shopping mall or amusement park. Just the name of the subject or subjects without the "world" appended to it would have been much better for me. I don't know what they'd call the "Cyber-Shelves" to make them less offensive, but they might try representing them as something other than a bank of 9 video screens. It reminded me of Hollywood Squares.) You would think you would saved by "Search World," where you can put in a search term and find out if the term is in any of the Worlds or on any of the "Cyber-Shelves," but the indexing is really terrible. Exact matches only please. No multiple terms. No tracings. No discernible hierachy. We know in the library profession that indexing is everything. Without the ability to get at a site other than by trapsing around the various "Worlds" until you stumble upon the appropriate set of "Cyber-Shelves." So, if you lock down your Library Channel to only the sites included on it, and you have something, but you don't have the web. It's somewhat akin to the religious fundamentalist who hands you a Bible and says "Everything worth knowing is in there." There's a lot in the Bible, and there's a lot on the Library Channel, but it neither are the whole enchilada. So if you turn off the lockdown (in the Newspeak of the Library Channel turning the restrictions off is called turning "Domain Surfing" off) you have a big clunky front end that is not much good because it is inadequately indexed, and then you can go out to just about anyplace on the Internet, using the modified Microsoft Internet Explorer that is part of TLC. So why bother? I can get a better set of links from Yahoo. Or the Librarian's Index to the Internet. both of which have good search engines. But say you wanted this product for its filtering capability. Well, unlike other products, TLC lets you look at its stoplist. And guess what? There's nothing there. You are supposed to build the stoplist and customize it for your needs. So be careful what you wish for, those of you who want complete selection/deselection, collection-development-type control of an Internet filter, your wish has been granted. Now all you have to do is spend your life looking for bestiality and cumshots and snuff videos and hate groups and build-your-own-bomb sites and build a list to fit your perceived notion of your community's standards. Sometimes you almost think it's easier to get some CyberCensor-sort of thing, let them do the filth skimming, and who cares if it's just a few ACLU sites, some gay stuff, a few recipes with chicken breasts that get skimmed with all real nasty stuff. But back to reality. TLC lets you build your own stoplist. Does it let you download, update and edit the one that is used by the libraries in Ohio? If it does, the product becomes marginally appealing. Put some good indexing or a decent search engine on the "Worlds" and the "Cyber-Shelves" and it becomes a bit more attractive. Fix the indexing and have some way to efficiently manage the filter building and maintenace, and then and only then would I recommend the Library Channel, and only then to a library that wants to have a graphically intense front end on its web window, and wants to do quite a bit of work to make that front end work. -- Bo Simons bo@sonoma.lib.ca.us Third and E Streets Internet Librarian Santa Rosa, CA 95404 Sonoma County Internet Branch Library Tel 707-545-0831 ext 525 http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us Fax 707-575-0437 From anderson at brandeis.edu Fri Aug 22 14:33:57 1997 From: anderson at brandeis.edu (Ivy Lee Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT - BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970822143348.00d8c0a0@louis.library.brandeis.edu> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES COORDINATOR BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES VACANCY #1497 GENERAL FUNCTION: Reporting to the Head of Information Systems and Technology in a library-wide team environment, the Information Technologies Coordinator provides technical leadership, training, project management, and development support for the library's digital information systems and services, including the Brandeis Library Web, digital imaging, and major development projects involving the integrated library system (DRA). This individual assists library departments with workflow, planning and implementation for a broad range of technology applications, providing technical support and assistance where needed, and plans and coordinates staff training and documentation on behalf of the Information Systems and Technology Department. Some collaborative work with the University's new Center for Instructional Media and Technology (CIMTECH) is also anticipated. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: M.L.S. or a related degree in computer or information science, and a minimum of two years of professional experience developing and supporting information technologies in an academic, research, or library setting. The successful candidate should possess extensive familiarity and experience with a variety of computer platforms and technologies including world wide web development, CGI and digital imaging. The position requires outstanding interpersonal, project management, and communication skills and the ability to work effectively as part of a team in a demanding and rapidly-changing environment. PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS: Experience with Windows NT, Unix, advanced web programming tools (e.g Java) and multimedia technologies. TO APPLY: Submit resume to: Employment Administrator, Brandeis University, MS 118, PO Box 9110, Waltham, MA 02254-9110. FAX: 617-736-4466. REFERENCE JOB #1497. Resumes and cover letters created or saved in Microsoft Word format may be sent to "joyce@brandeis.edu" via e-mail attachment. This position is available immediately and will remain open until filled. EEO STATEMENT: It is the policy of Brandeis University not to discriminate against any applicant or employee on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, national origin, veteran status, or disabled status. The University operates under an affirmative action plan and encourages minorities, women, disabled veterans to apply. Brandeis University is a non-smoking environment. ABOUT BRANDEIS: Located just west of Boston in Waltham, Massachusetts, Brandeis University successfully combines the intimacy of a small liberal arts college with the advantages of a major research institution. Brandeis is a nonsectarian institution with a culturally diverse student body of approximately 4,000, drawn from all 50 states and more than 50 countries. The Information Systems and Technology Department of the Brandeis Libraries is comprised of four staff who support the integrated library system (a DRA system presently running under VAX/VMS); various servers for CD-ROM networking, electronic reserves, and world wide web services; the library desktop computing environment; and digital library development projects. The Libraries are presently migrating to a Windows NT environment in preparation for an upgrade to a client-server based library system and are seeking to expand and develop use of the world wide web as a delivery vehicle for library services. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 22 13:50:01 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? Message-ID: <199708221752.NAA15717@ohiolink.edu> >"C:\Program Files\QPC\QVTNet\bin\term.exe" %1 %2 > >Make note of the quotation marks. > >And Netscape wants to sell this to Average Joe home user?? > Netscape certainly thinks that Average Joe Home User has no need for telnet. They think that Average Joe Transaction Worker (Sun's unflattering term) needs occasional tn3270 connections, hence Communicator's Host On Demand. I'm surprised no one has mentioned an obvious shortcoming with telnet URLs and Win95/NT4. The install program for any decent browser these days will offer to take over management of http URLs; likewise for mail and news clients. I admit I haven't been looking too hard, but I've never seen a telnet app say "Would you like to use BozoTERM Deluxe Pro as your default telnet client? Yes/No/Don't Ask Me Again". Instead I get things like ZModem downloads and kludgy URL highlighting. Thanks, but what I want is top-notch vt220, vt100, and vt52 emulation in an app that intelligently coexists in an up-to-date desktop environment. Then I'd never have to mess around with REGEDIT to massage my telnet app. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Fri Aug 22 14:18:08 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? In-Reply-To: <199708221752.NAA15717@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970822131808.007c1250@vms.csd.mu.edu> Instead I get things like >ZModem downloads and kludgy URL highlighting. Speaking of URL highlighting, is anyone successfully using a telnet app with such a feature in their library to access their text-only opac, thus making URLs in 856 fields (MARC) and elsewhere clickable? Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu Fri Aug 22 15:28:58 1997 From: fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu (Frank Cervone) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Chat groups or chat rooms for librarians -Reply Message-ID: I can see it now Bill .... instead of age, location, and gender checks in the chat rooms, we'll have classification scheme and "What's your favorite MARC field?" checks. ;-) Oh, and it's Dewey/856, BTW. Frank Cervone (trying to inject some humor into a recently humorless list) Assistant Director for Systems DePaul University Libraries 2350 North Kenmore Avenue Chicago, IL 60614 773.325.7726 >>> Wilfred Drew 08/22/97 10:14am >>> I have started using chat a little in some of the techie chat rooms and in some of those for those of us in the forty something age group. Are there any for librarians especially academic librarians? I am currently using PowWow and ICQ as well as going to www.wbs.net to use their web based chat. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Aug 22 11:45:39 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? References: <3.0.3.32.19970822165156.00a54b20@130.237.29.3> Message-ID: <33FDB423.6085@morrisville.edu> Martin Lind?n wrote: > > I fixed it by using your method with telnet.bat and by inserting in > Netscape in Applications > > C:\program files\QPC\QvtNet\bin\telnet.bat url.dll %1 %2 > > This did work for Netscape 4.02. > > The difference is only that I inserted "url.dll" in your line. It works and works very well. I stilldon't understand why telnet must be implemented this way. I mean that I understand what is happening but can't understand why it need be implemented that way by Netscape. The same fix also works for the latest version of IE4. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From narnett at verity.com Fri Aug 22 16:46:50 1997 From: narnett at verity.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Whither z39.50? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970822204650.0102a100@verity.com> I'm taking one of my periodic looks at z39.50, with an eye toward whether or not Verity should add support for it to our products. Does anyone know of a source for estimating the installed base? Opinions about its future, anecdotal evidence, rants and raves are welcome, especially the degree to which it is making progress outside of the library community. For those who are unfamiliar with it, z39.50 is a transport protocol that was initially (I believe) promoted by WAIS. It has been adopted mostly in the library market. Nick Product Manager, Advanced Technology Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com http://www.verity.com From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Aug 22 21:55:58 1997 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: This sounds strangely familiar... Message-ID: <970822215558.267d@sals.edu> If you think you've seen this before, give it a closer look. I think I've visited pages designed by graduates of this workshop. Forwarded with permission of the author, one of the sharpest thinkers on the excellent Govpub list. ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:59:23 -0800 Sender: Local and State Government Info on the Internet From: Carl Hage Subject: Break the Link Workshop BREAK THE LINK WORKSHOP: KEEPING OUT THE WIMPS "Break the Link Workshop: Keeping Out the Wimps" is an eight week distance learning workshop focusing on tools for Internet interactivity and conducted via e-mail and the World Wide Web (WWW). New electronic communications technology provides a means for many more people to be able to access information, introducing new problems for government agencies. Ordinary citizens can find out what governments are doing and could potentially cause plans to be altered. The workshop will introduce the beginner to the basic concepts of interactivity, making a Web site look great to the public and upper management without having to reveal dangerous content. Users can be entertained and amazed while they try and wade through your site. Special animations and background GIFs can attract reader's eyes away from the textual content which you can legitimately claim is there. Using the latest tricks with browser extensions allows you to fill your home page with the logos of the award sites, which are colorful as well as helpful in convincing people your site is good. Government agencies these days don't have the time to spend with the many citizens who now can access the Internet. Techniques will be discussed that allow the most likely large campaign contributors to use a site while blocking the subjects of entitlement programs. BACKGROUND Interactivity is the ability of the Internet user to alter certain aspects of his or her environment, resulting in amazing functionality. It is the method of control and contingent response between user and medium. Some popular terms to describe interactive systems include multimedia, hypermedia, infotainment and edutainment. Internet site builders and Web page generators have become increasingly sophisticated, incorporating "wizards" in order to simplify the work of authors. These wizards provide templates and other useful functions that enable authors to produce Web pages with little or no content, but many glitzy features and large graphics. A large and complex labyrinth of pages can be readily created, trapping users for hours while attempting to find information. JavaScript and VBScript have been introduced to provide scripting capability for the two most widely used Web browsers, Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer, respectively. Authors who purchase stock in Netscape or Microsoft can increase their profits by requiring users to download the latest version of Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer, respectively. Scripts can also be used to program Web servers, as well as browsers, in order to make content interactive. When they can be used, browser scripts are usually preferable to server scripts as they cut down on unnecessary requests to the often heavily taxed Web server. Instead, the browser is heavily taxed, slowing down users and reducing requests on the server. Many users are excluded, greatly reducing load on the server. With the introduction of the Java language by Sun Microsystems in 1995, the Internet has become a rapidly evolving means for delivering interactive content using text, graphics, audio, and video. Java is quite different from the above mentioned Web server or browser scripting. It is a programming language. WORKSHOP CONTENT The Break the Link Workshop will focus on how to efficiently and effectively design and use interactive Internet sites. During the workshop you will learn how to: * quickly prototype Web pages and complete sites using page generators and site builders such as Netscape Navigator Gold, Microsoft FrontPage, NetObjects Fusion, and Adobe PageMill and SiteMill. These generators provide an automated means to generate sites that filter access. For example, you will download the FrontPage tutorial and in moments generate a web page that has graphics that takes a minute to download, blocks access to people with text browsers, and uses a background that is stunning, but makes the text hard to read and encourages people to leave. * make Web page forms and link them to useful applications such as databases, key word searches, guest books, and user surveys. Limiting access to information except through a search form is a good way to keep out those who might just be browsing, and also those pesky search engine robots. If users complain that you don't have any content, you can tell them they are planning to install a major database system with the latest search engines. [*] * give Web pages an interactive graphical look with client-side image maps. This capability of both Navigator and Internet Explorer permits clicking on different regions of an image in order to link to another Web page or function. You will learn how to replace your web page with a single large image instead of using a set of small icons with alt text that allow text browsers or modem users to use the page without waiting. * make animations. This often entails using an image-file format that will display multiple frames as the file loads. Animations are a very good method to slow down users. Techniques for creating very large (and slow) animations will be discussed. The movement draws the readers eyes away from the content on the page, distracting them, annoying them, and encouraging them to either leave or stare at the animation. On Netscape 2 the animations add sound effects with disk rattling, and the usual URLs in the status window are replaced with the flashing animation GIF URL. Blink is also useful since information disappears half the time, and speed readers don't see it. * use frames, HTML 3.2, as well as Netscape and Microsoft extensions, to customize Web pages. The latter consist of HTML functionality developed separately by each company that has yet to be officially accepted as part of the recognized standard. This way you can select who is allowed to use your pages. Frames, also not part of the HTML standard (except the HTML4 draft), are a good way to lock up lots of screen space with your logo, and can even force people to see your logo while browsing other sites. * use JavaScript and VBScript to give Web pages interactive capabilities for users who are willing to download the browser you choose. Instead of collecting useful information to be added to your site, you will learn how to entertain users with features such as personalizing pages with names and e-mail addresses, displaying current date and time, image-flipping to produce buttons that highlight, providing colored backgrounds that appear to fade in from one color to another, and other special effects. * utilize "push" media. For example, to use Netscape's InBox Direct and explore new frontiers such as Marimba channels with Bongo. Instead of using existing non-proprietary push technology like NNTP news, you can help increase the value of your Netscape or Marimba stock by locking your agency into licensed servers. HOW TO SIGN UP In order to participate in the Break the Link Workshop, it will be necessary to have the latest Web browsers, the beta version of both Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. First, upgrade your Pentium PC with 64MB of memory and add additional hard disk space if needed for 800MB of available space. Then purchase and install Windows-NT 5.2 and the special patch to keep the OS from crashing on the beta version of Internet Explorer. [**] Next install the Maraca push technology, call your site administrator and have your firewall modified to allow Maraca, and then tune in to the Break the Link channel for registration info. ABOUT THE AUTHOR The workshop leader, Carl Hage, high school graduate, has successfully heckled several on-line forums in the past. He has been actively involved in on-line heckling for more than a decade, and has been a consultant on government related Internet applications. Though insignificant in comparison to the PR departments of venture capital funded Internet startups and hundreds of graphic designers turned authors, who promote technology at odds with the original intent of HTML, he has been an advocate for universal accessablity. He laments the substitution of glitzy but slow graphics for content and the loss of traditional methods of effective communication and organization (such as a table of contents). Impatient when it comes to computers, he would rather be dancing than waiting for Netscape to boot and WWW pages to download. ----- * A true story. The local United Way site had graphic-only access which ironically blocked access to patrons of several organizations supporting people with disabilities. Their whole site had less than a page of content. They turned down an offer to help put their (postal mailed) directory of organizations online because they were planning on installing a sophisticated database with lots of interactive applications. ** I was talking with a friend who was excited about the new features in the latest beta Internet Explorer. However, it turned out that his computer had been down for a week because IE crashed his system and it would no longer boot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Hage C. Hage Associates Voice/Fax: 1-408-244-8410 1180 Reed Ave #51 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 From rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net Fri Aug 22 22:18:28 1997 From: rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net (rhterry@RBSE.Mountain.Net) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: Whither z39.50? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970822204650.0102a100@verity.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I really appeciate these objective questions (Standards, Connventions(practices)), in the midst of the current subjective question of censorship. I think the best protocol to follow is COBRA compliant. Whether z39.50 which had archane (non-high-level-abstraction) in my experience became CORBA/ODBC/... compliant is something unknown. I am part of a software working group which produced an IEEE standard, and do regularly vote on standards up for review. For those unfamiliar with working groups, they strive their best to be impartial. With, a fair and sensible leadership they do produce good work, pro bono. Now, for my step up onto the podium. Heh, I'm a fighting Math kid from Brooklyn. If I don't get censored by the moderator for my Friday night ramblings, this may be posted, as all messages should be or rejected. Bob Terry "Learn how to topically classify your resoures, use Literary Warrant" Bob Terry's statement from what he learned from Prieto Diaz in his thesis on a new CS discipline called Domain Anlysis currently be mandated to be used/researched by DoD, NASA, Big-Business, etc.. On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Nick Arnett wrote: > I'm taking one of my periodic looks at z39.50, with an eye toward whether or > not Verity should add support for it to our products. Does anyone know of a > source for estimating the installed base? Opinions about its future, > anecdotal evidence, rants and raves are welcome, especially the degree to > which it is making progress outside of the library community. > > For those who are unfamiliar with it, z39.50 is a transport protocol that > was initially (I believe) promoted by WAIS. It has been adopted mostly in > the library market. > > Nick > > Product Manager, Advanced Technology > Verity Inc. -- Connecting People with Information > > Phone: 408-542-2164 Fax: 408-541-1600 > Home office: 408-733-7613 narnett@verity.com > http://www.verity.com > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Aug 22 22:44:35 1997 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: filters/barcodes In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970822132541.00912560@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970822224435.0088b100@panix.com> In response to Jean Gordon's question, I have posed the library barcode question to a half dozen vendors so far, and each time they have responded that this would be easy to implement (regardless if we are talking about keying in barcode numbers or swiping a card). They've also said this about warn-vs.-override, a feature that would warn about objectionable content and then let the patron override. The two could theoretically be combined to authenticate overrides for authorized patrons. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Sat Aug 23 00:25:56 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:36 2005 Subject: FW: Letter to Brock Meeks: Another perspective on the filtering issue Message-ID: <01BCAF41.FFE27EE0@port73.northwest.com> Karen Schneider posted the following letter to Brock Meeks on Fight Censorship: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: kgs@panix.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:54:50 -0400 From: "Karen G. Schneider" To: brock.meeks@msnbc.com Cc: BERRY@LJ.CAHNERS.COM, gflagg@ala.org Subject: Letter to Brock Meeks: Another perspective on the filtering issue From: Karen G. Schneider Subject: "The Case of the 'radical' Librarian" http://www.msnbc.com/news/104439.asp To: Brock Meeks, MSNBC Mr. Meeks: I am taking a break from a rather hectic writing schedule to address an article I just read: "The case of the radical librarian." First of all, I don't disagree that the ALA takes a very high ground when it comes to filtering software. Although (like the ACLU) they can be maddening at times, it's also good to know that some folks are hardliners on the issue. If librarians don't take a strong, even quixotic stand on intellectual freedom, who will? I think I'm not alone in my profession in thinking that ALA's positions on intellectual freedom are a lot like your New Year's goals--you know you aren't going to get there, but wouldn't it be terrific if you did? Second, the library association doesn't "deride filtering software"; it says it opposes filtering software that blocks constitutionally protected speech. I should know; I'm the flaming moderate who proposed the additional wording, because I'm very much opposed to the "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality that pervades *both* sides of the filtering issue. Trust me, some folks draw their skirts aside when I walk their way, but I'm a tough cookie--if you can't take the heat, don't go to library school. Filters are not evil in themselves--good grief, we're talking about software, not neutron bombs. On the other hand, it is not time to stop worrying and learn to love them, either; the technology is too new. Skepticism, hesitation and caution are very good emotions at this point. Think "Pinto." Third, I am sure Burt gets his share of vituperative email, but he hasn't exactly reached out and said to his colleagues, "can't we all just get along?" I encourage you to search the archives of the discussion lists where he has been active (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ and http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/ are two good places; he's often seen on ALAOIF, though I think that list is 90% drivel, and that's before Burt starts posting). I'm in a committed relationship with a minister, and from what I see of this community, if Burt were a man of the cloth, I think the other pastors would whisper that he wasn't a team player. They sure wouldn't play reindeer games with him, anyway, not after exchanging a message or two. I do know close to fifty librarians who are team players, however: the participants of TIFAP, The Internet Filter Assessment Project (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/). This has been a meandering, unscientific, slapdash project I pulled together in late March to assess filters under reasonably real-life settings. It has been interrupted by any number of personal crises, including the EPA sending me to Puerto Rico for a week just when things were getting started (I know, but someone had to do it), my webserver changing midstream, and the usual problems with managing a project on the one or two hours a night that are left over when you work full-time and have a long commute (including shopping for a new used car when my Nissan suddenly died). I have eaten more Healthy Choice macaroni and cheese than I care to contemplate, and my absence from my usual circles prompted a visit from my minister, to whom I could not admit that I was spending Sunday mornings looking at poorly-executed cyber-porn. Fortunately, the people who volunteered for this project clearly have no personal lives and are perhaps a little unbalanced, because despite no possible chance of remuneration (not even a free book, darn that publisher, though they do get a little discount) they poured many, many hours of personal labor into designing the survey forms, developing the questions, installing and configuring filters, and all the other elbow grease that goes into walking the walk. If you look at the Hall of Fame on the website, you see they are the absolute purest gems of librarianship; they were in this out of intellectual curiousity, concern for the profession, and an interest in the unknown. Staring sternly over their bifocals, they asked, over many days, hours, weeks, and months, "show me the filter!" We tested questions, we tested URLs, we tested at full throttle, we tested at "Lite" settings; several volunteers, I cringe to report, ended up reinstalling operating systems because recalcitrant software wouldn't leave their computers (the gift that keeps on giving?), and I knew I was in deep when, sleepless with worry over deadlines, I logged in to my computer at 2 a.m. one Sunday, to watch surveys from several TIFAP volunteers flow methodically into my inbox. Burt was an early TIFAP volunteer, by the way, but dropped out just before the real work began, claiming we were focusing too much on keyword blocking (if you don't prove it's a problem, how do you know for sure?). Burt now labels me and the rest of the project as "antifilterers," which I think is either a) related to "disestablishmentarianism" or b) means we haven't issued a statement agreeing with absolutely everything he has said. There are definitely some TIFAP volunteers who are anti-filter under any circumstances, but there are also some folks who are more interested in learning how filters work, and who, in assessing some fairly rough porn, had no problem saying both that they felt that site should have been blocked and that they believe in free speech. If that makes them "antifilterers," then I'm an antidisestablishmentarianist. I have been hoping to put off my site report until this weekend, because I took all my vacation time and then four days of leave without pay this and next week to get my manuscript to my editor by September 2. (Oh yeah, the book: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, published by Neal Schuman, due out early fall.) If it will make a difference, I'll write it and post it tomorrow ("it" being the summary report, which will also be a chapter in the book--two manuscripts in one!), but I'd rather use the weekday to finish what I've been doing, which is talk to filter vendors about the TIFAP results and ask them questions about their products. Most of the vendors are very nice folks, very interested in the library market and very interested in hearing what we have to say. They tend to be around during the week, which is one reason I took this vacation time to get this work done. And what we have to say is that we can confirm some WOMs, put some fears to rest, and raise some new issues. Keyword blocking is bad. That's a WOM. We demonstrated that thoroughly. Note that you can't disable keyword blocking in several filters. Obviously, you don't want to buy them for library use. "Tweaking a filter" (a term I introduced, by the way--just as the "cost model" argument for why vendors have private lists is something I initially raised, which Burt also fails to attribute) to just block the porn is a good predictor of better performance. But it's not perfect, and the leakage rate goes up. In TIFAP, and I've called around and confirmed this anecdotally, you get about a 10 percent leakage of porn if you tune the filter to minimal, porn-only settings. (Oops! There goes that "safe library" assumption!) There are filters that have agendas; Cybersitter is one. This product is pretty much a red herring, imho--it performs so poorly that no library should consider it, anyway. Cyber Patrol had to be taught not to block pagan or feminist information, and even at "Lite" settings they are known to block stuff they shouldn't. I'd say they are definitely on probation. Some filters have categories, but you can't select them yet--that would be Bess. Nice product; needs that feature. Websense and SmartFilter didn't do too badly. Not Pintos, but they aren't Corollas yet, either. Let's not forget the software performance issues. If you only tested the network version of Cyber Patrol, you might become an "antifilterer" yourself. We noted many problems with filtering software that need to be heeded by any serious public service system. The computer-guru types that participated in TIFAP were all too willing to bend my ear on this topic. There are other, even more intriguing issues. After watching sites get blocked... unblocked... and blocked again, I began to ponder the issue of a central database versus community standards. This is a librarian's issue; you may not be aware of OCLC, which is a marvelous librarian invention--a worldwide catalog which contains master records to which we attach holdings (tags that indicate we own an item). I raised this with vendors, pointing out that every community was different. They all had different responses, but to date not one vendor has not seemed at least somewhat intrigued by this new concept. IP authentication is another issue; filters are responding to libraries that say we want different access in different settings. I have raised the library-card issue, pointing out that children often get permission to use adult resources and that cards are coded this way, and that swiping or keying a library card barcode would be a great way to authorize use to certain levels. Every single vendor I have spoken with to date thought this was a marketable feature that would be inexpensive to add. As for the hidden site lists, as someone who has run a business, I understand the need to keep some information proprietary, but am equally concerned about turning the Internet into "closed stacks" accessible only to companies whose interests are not always congruent with the public trust. However, even filter vendors acknowledge this is an issue; in other areas of life we have more checks and balances on our freedoms. We'll have to find a common ground on this. We may have been a slow, ragtag and unglamorous product, but we've resulted in some spectacularly useful information for vendors and librarians alike. If any group of librarians is primed to discuss this topic, it's the TIFAP team. There are many more issues, and many things to think about. Librarians are good at that (thinking, that is); that gets us in trouble sometimes, because thinking, and then acting, is the most radical act of all. I've been pushed to make a ranking list of "bad to good" on the filters, and I've also been pushed to list the blocked sites, as if that would show anything. Like most librarians, however, I know that information is hard work, and I believe on providing all sides of an issue. I'll save the product reviews for my book. I too would like to see the filter vendors engage more with the library community. I can't fault the Intellectual Freedom Committee for not arranging a welcome reception for these companies, but it is time for the rest of us mere mortals to open the doors to communication. Finally, the library that chooses not to filter, and does this consciously and carefully, is part of our flock, too. If you don't need to filter, why should you? Would you put on a sweater, if you weren't cold? Librarians are trained to know their own communities. Let them exercise their best judgment and make the best decision they can at any one particular time. If you want some more balance on the issue, talk to Michael Schuyler of Kitsap County. He moderates a discussion list, filter-tech, which is strictly about the technical issues related to filters. Meanwhile, I have a chapter to finish tonight, and as a nightcap, I have a few more questions to retest with Bess, since the vendors kindly gave me access for a month. It's not a bad vacation, all said and done; in my own, librarianesque way, I feel a bit radical myself. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) From ttripp at inforamp.net Sat Aug 23 10:58:56 1997 From: ttripp at inforamp.net (Tim Tripp) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Weird pdf printing problems References: <3.0.1.32.19970822085420.006c162c@panix.com> Message-ID: <33FEFAAB.12FA@inforamp.net> Karen G. Schneider wrote: > > Speaking of printing problems, I have a pdf printing problem (related, I > hope you agree, since where else do I get these digital tomes but the Web). > I thought it was work-related (Win 3.1, Novell network, Netscape, slightly > aged reader, etc.) but then had the same problem at home (Win95, > standalone, MSIE, new reader...). Sometimes--and fortunately I've only see > this happen with small documents--I'll try to print the document and it is > interpreted as much longer than it really is and prints out all > kerflummeled. As in, I see a one-page document on the screen, I go to > print, and suddenly it says "printing one of 4" and I can even see it spool > the "four" pages. Four garbled pages then spew from the printer. I can > try again and print just one nice little page. > > Should I try to run pdf from the command line (e.g. acroread.exe > -kerflummel), or is there a better fix? Karen, I'm not certain if this is the root of your problem, but the problem itself sounds like what I've been getting at work when users try to print pdf files using the browser's print button instead of the acrobat reader print button. When you click on a link to a pdf file, with the acrobat plugin installed, you get an additional tool bar appearing in your browser window. When printing, it seems necessary that you use the print button from this acrobat reader toolbar, instead of the browser's print button. It's taken some education, especially since our intranet is pdf-heavy, but it seems to eliminate the problem. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Tripp, Library Supervisor Spar Space Systems (Brampton) Spar Aerospace Ltd. 9445 Airport Road Brampton, Ontario, Canada L6S 4J3 http://www.spar.ca/ Tel:(905) 790-2800 ext. 4108 Fax:(905) 790-4423 Work: ttripp@spar.ca Home: ttripp@inforamp.net From marmion at wllnov.wmlib.wmich.edu Sat Aug 23 10:10:57 1997 From: marmion at wllnov.wmlib.wmich.edu (Dan Marmion) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: FW: Letter to Brock Meeks: Another perspective on the filtering issue References: <01BCAF41.FFE27EE0@port73.northwest.com> Message-ID: <33FEE160.104E@wllnov.wmlib.wmich.edu> filteringfacts wrote: > > Karen Schneider posted the following letter to Brock Meeks on Fight Censorship: > I hope this excellent letter wasn't posted to Web4Lib without Karen's permission. Dan Marmion From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Aug 23 10:32:05 1997 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: FW: Letter to Brock Meeks: Another perspective on the filtering issue Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970823103205.007d3a60@panix.com> Regarding: "Karen Schneider posted the following letter to Brock Meeks on Fight Censorship: " No, actually, I am not subscribed to fight-censorship; I don't know how it got there, since no one posted it with my permission, but I'm not upset. Repost where you will. I did try to post it to Web4Lib yesterday, at the suggestion of someone who read it, but sent it to the wrong address. I need to nickname Web4Lib, because I continually muddle its address with PubLib. Combined with 24 hours of popmail problems, I gave up on seeing if it was posted. What I said in my intro to the reposting to Web4Lib was: [This is a letter I sent out last night, and to which I received a very nice reply from Mr. Meeks. If I had to edit it, it would be to say that Karen Hyman was probably the first person to use the phrase "tweaking" filter software, which I read in a February issue of Library Journal. I did put up a draft report, by the way, which is still unlinked because it's in work; see http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/learn.html , and don't be surprised if it changes in a week or two.] I don't want to end up qualifying for my favorite 12-step group--On and On, Anon.--so I'll shut up and go back to writing. Thanks for the help with the pdf problems. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Sat Aug 23 12:38:02 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (filteringfacts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Schneider Letter to Meeks and Berry Message-ID: <01BCAFA8.42F12E00@port92.northwest.com> Karen Schneider wrote: Second, the library association doesn't "deride filtering software"; it says it opposes filtering software that blocks constitutionally protected speech. David Burt responds: This is clearly untrue. The ALA statements on filtering are one long attack on the practices, both in theoretical and practical terms. From the statement on library use of filtering software: Filters can impose the producer's viewpoint on the community. Producers do not generally reveal what is being blocked, or provide methods for users to reach sites that were inadvertently blocked. Criteria used to block content are vaguely defined and subjectively applied. KS: I should know; I'm the flaming moderate who proposed the additional wording, because I'm very much opposed to the "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality that pervades *both* sides of the filtering issue. DB: Despite a long history of public statements indicating her firm theoretical opposition to filtering, Karen continues to tell non-librarians she is a moderate on the filtering issue. In her American Libraries column in September, 1995, she says "The biggest problem with filtering software is that it makes a mockery of our professional responsibilities", and urges librarians not to install filters, lest they "sell your responsibilities to a commercial entity", and closes the column with the statement "But whatever you do, don't trade your soul for a canned solution". Though she now denies being "anti-filter", as recently as March, 1997, Schneider posted on the fight-censorship newsgroup "don't install tools like CyberPatrol, Cybersitter, or Bess and call yourself a librarian. That's tantamount to the book burners in Fahrenheit 451 who call themselves firemen". KS: Third, I am sure Burt gets his share of vituperative email, but he hasn't exactly reached out and said to his colleagues, "can't we all just get along?" I encourage you to search the archives of the discussion lists where he has been active (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ and http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/ are two good places; he's often seen on ALAOIF, though I think that list is 90% drivel, and that's before Burt starts posting). I'm in a committed relationship with a minister, and from what I see of this community, if Burt were a man of the cloth, I think the other pastors would whisper that he wasn't a team player. They sure wouldn't play reindeer games with him, anyway, not after exchanging a message or two. DB: This is what I'm talking about when I keep asking Karen to clarify her now very public criticisms of me. Karen espouses a "can't we all just get along?" , yet makes statements like this, then ignores my attempts to get some clarification, shutting off all communication. I admit, not everyone appreciates my sometimes flippant and confrontational style. What Karen leaves out though, is that most of those (generally mild) flippant comments are in response to personal attacks. I also invite people to pick through the Web4lib and Publib archives and see for yourself. You will also see hundreds of messages from Karen, where for years she has used these two groups as her family newsletters. KS: I do know close to fifty librarians who are team players, however: the participants of TIFAP, The Internet Filter Assessment Project (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/). This has been a meandering, unscientific, slapdash project I pulled together in late March to assess filters under reasonably real-life settings. We tested questions, we tested URLs, we tested at full throttle, we tested at "Lite" settings; Burt was an early TIFAP volunteer, by the way, but dropped out just before the real work began, claiming we were focusing too much on keyword blocking (if you don't prove it's a problem, how do you know for sure?). DB: Karen grossly oversimplifies my long list of objections to the methodology she was employing. One of my main objections was the fact that the filters were initially being tested with key word blocking on, and the testers were asking questions like "chicken breast" and "cock fighting" which are clearly designed to trip keyword filters. Since libraries don't use keyword blocking, and since the "study" was supposed to address the efficacy of filtering, I raised the objection that such methodology gave the impression the study was trying to make filtering in libraries appear worse than it really is. Several others in the project *also raised the same concern*, a fact Karen leaves out. The methodology employed has been scattershot and make-it-up-as-you-go-along. There are list of questions (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/k/qs.htm) which the testers are supposed to try to answer using the Internet with a filter on. But the questions are very broad, and there are no rules as to what constitutes a successful search, how many sites equal an answer, how many of these sites to fill out forms for and report as "Blocked or Not Blocked", how long each tester should spend looking for a site, etc. The forms the tester fill out (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/phase3.htm) are full of subjective judgements, such as " If you did NOT want the URL to be blocked, explain why (check all that apply): a. The information was not harmful. b. The information was potentially valuable to someone. c. Libraries should not block Internet access. d. Libraries should not block Constitutionally-protected speech. e. This information was not inappropriate for my community. The first partial results have been posted (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/prelim.htm), which claim specific sites are blocked/not blocked. I downloaded the latest copy of CyberPatrol, and found that over half of the sites claimed blocked were in fact not blocked. KS: Burt now labels me and the rest of the project as "antifilterers," which I think is either a) related to "disestablishmentarianism" or b) means we haven't issued a statement agreeing with absolutely everything he has said. DB: I think most reasonable people would agree that Karen and her admittedly pseudo-scientific study are biased toward anti-filtering. Regarding "disestablishmentarianism", yes, I admit I'm going against the library establishment. Karen has indicated before she objects to this. She seems to think it's ok to criticize ALA, as long as we "keep it in the family", and not do so publicly. I feel that the filtering in libraries debate affects *all Americans*, not just librarians, and that a wide arrange of views disserves the widest possible discussion. KS: "Tweaking a filter" (a term I introduced, by the way--just as the "cost model" argument for why vendors have private lists is something I initially raised, which Burt also fails to attribute) to just block the porn is a good predictor of better performance. DB: I'm not the one who used the term "tweaking", Brock did. He used it first in his original column "Librarians Need a Reality Check", back in May. BTW, I don't see Karen crediting Jean Armor Polly every time she uses the word "net surfing". The notion that stoplists are private because they are proprietary I do not consider to be an especially clever discovery. Fact is, it's so obvious, it hits you the face. KS: We may have been a slow, ragtag and unglamorous product, but we've resulted in some spectacularly useful information for vendors and librarians alike. DB: Here we have Karen's great oxymoron: she admits the study is unscientific and inaccurate, yet claims it has "resulted in some spectacularly useful information". Karen keeps trying to play it both ways here: she claims to produce useful data, yet when pushed on her methodology, she gives a wink and a nod and implies it's not really useful data after all. KS: If any group of librarians is primed to discuss this topic, it's the TIFAP team. DB: READ: Karen deserves the ink, not David. David Burt, Filtering Facts, www.filteringfacts.org David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Sat Aug 23 14:55:52 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Schneider letter (again) Message-ID: (That last post came out pretty mangled. Let's try it again:) >Karen Schneider wrote: >Second, the library association doesn't "deride filtering software"; it >says it opposes filtering software that blocks constitutionally protected >speech. David Burt responds: This is clearly untrue. The ALA statements on filtering are one long attack on the practices, both in theoretical and practical terms. From the statement on library use of filtering software: Filters can impose the producer's viewpoint on the community. Producers do not generally reveal what is being blocked, or provide methods for users to reach sites that were inadvertently blocked. Criteria used to block content are vaguely defined and subjectively applied. >KS: >I should know; I'm the flaming moderate who proposed the >additional wording, because I'm very much opposed to the "four legs good, >two legs bad" mentality that pervades *both* sides of the filtering issue. DB: Despite a long history of public statements indicating her firm theoretical opposition to filtering, Karen continues to tell non-librarians she is a moderate on the filtering issue. In her American Libraries column in September, 1995, she says "The biggest problem with filtering software is that it makes a mockery of our professional responsibilities", and urges librarians not to install filters, lest they "sell your responsibilities to a commercial entity", and closes the column with the statement "But whatever you do, don't trade your soul for a canned solution". Though she now denies being "anti-filter", as recently as March, 1997, Schneider posted on the fight-censorship newsgroup "don't install tools like CyberPatrol, Cybersitter, or Bess and call yourself a librarian. That's tantamount to the book burners in Fahrenheit 451 who call themselves firemen". >KS: >Third, I am sure Burt gets his share of vituperative email, but he hasn't >exactly reached out and said to his colleagues, "can't we all just get >along?" I encourage you to search the archives of the discussion lists >where he has been active (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ and >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/ are two good places; he's often seen on >ALAOIF, though I think that list is 90% drivel, and that's before Burt >starts posting). I'm in a committed relationship with a minister, and from >what I see of this community, if Burt were a man of the cloth, I think the >other pastors would whisper that he wasn't a team player. They sure >wouldn't play reindeer games with him, anyway, not after exchanging a >message or two. DB: This is what I'm talking about when I keep asking Karen to clarify her now very public criticisms of me. Karen espouses a "can't we all just get along?" , yet makes statements like this, then ignores my attempts to get some clarification, shutting off all communication. I admit, not everyone appreciates my sometimes flippant and confrontational style. What Karen leaves out though, is that most of those (generally mild) flippant comments are in response to personal attacks. I also invite people to pick through the Web4lib and Publib archives and see for yourself. You will also see hundreds of messages from Karen, where for years she has used these two groups as her family newsletters. >KS: >I do know close to fifty librarians who are team players, however: the >participants of TIFAP, The Internet Filter Assessment Project >(http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/). This has been a meandering, >unscientific, slapdash project I pulled together in late March to assess >filters under reasonably real-life settings. We >tested questions, we tested URLs, we tested at full throttle, we tested at >"Lite" settings; >Burt was an early TIFAP volunteer, by the way, but dropped out just before >the real work began, claiming we were focusing too much on keyword blocking >(if you don't prove it's a problem, how do you know for sure?). DB: Karen grossly oversimplifies my long list of objections to the methodology she was employing. One of my main objections was the fact that the filters were initially being tested with key word blocking on, and the testers were asking questions like "chicken breast" and "cock fighting" which are clearly designed to trip keyword filters. Since libraries don't use keyword blocking, and since the "study" was supposed to address the efficacy of filtering, I raised the objection that such methodology gave the impression the study was trying to make filtering in libraries appear worse than it really is. Several others in the project *also raised the same concern*, a fact Karen leaves out. The methodology employed has been scattershot and make-it-up-as-you-go-along. There are list of questions (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/k/qs.htm) which the testers are supposed to try to answer using the Internet with a filter on. But the questions are very broad, and there are no rules as to what constitutes a successful search, how many sites equal an answer, how many of these sites to fill out forms for and report as "Blocked or Not Blocked", how long each tester should spend looking for a site, etc. The forms the tester fill out (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/phase3.htm) are full of subjective judgements, such as " If you did NOT want the URL to be blocked, explain why (check all that apply): a. The information was not harmful. b. The information was potentially valuable to someone. c. Libraries should not block Internet access. d. Libraries should not block Constitutionally-protected speech. e. This information was not inappropriate for my community. The first partial results have been posted (http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/prelim.htm), which claim specific sites are blocked/not blocked. I downloaded the latest copy of CyberPatrol, and found that over half of the sites claimed blocked were in fact not blocked. >KS: >Burt now labels me and the rest of the project as "antifilterers," which I >think is either a) related to "disestablishmentarianism" or b) means we haven't >issued a statement agreeing with absolutely everything he has said. DB: I think most reasonable people would agree that Karen and her admittedly pseudo-scientific study are biased toward anti-filtering. Regarding "disestablishmentarianism", yes, I admit I'm going against the library establishment. Karen has indicated before she objects to this. She seems to think it's ok to criticize ALA, as long as we "keep it in the family", and not do so publicly. I feel that the filtering in libraries debate affects *all Americans*, not just librarians, and that a wide arrange of views disserves the widest possible discussion. >KS: >"Tweaking a filter" (a term I introduced, by the way--just as >the "cost model" argument for why vendors have private lists is something I >initially raised, which Burt also fails to attribute) to just block the >porn is a good predictor of better performance. DB: I'm not the one who used the term "tweaking", Brock did. He used it first in his original column "Librarians Need a Reality Check", back in May. BTW, I don't see Karen crediting Jean Armor Polly every time she uses the word "net surfing". The notion that stoplists are private because they are proprietary I do not consider to be an especially clever discovery. Fact is, it's so obvious, it hits you the face. >KS: >We may have been a slow, ragtag and >unglamorous product, but we've resulted in some spectacularly useful >information for vendors and librarians alike. DB: Here we have Karen's great oxymoron: she admits the study is unscientific and inaccurate, yet claims it has "resulted in some spectacularly useful information". Karen keeps trying to play it both ways here: she claims to produce useful data, yet when pushed on her methodology, she gives a wink and a nod and implies it's not really useful data after all. >KS: >If any group of librarians is primed to discuss this topic, it's the TIFAP >team. DB: READ: Karen deserves the ink, not David. ***************************************************************************** David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Sat Aug 23 15:20:38 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (SHERYL DWINELL) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Schneider Letter to Meeks and Berry (fwd) Message-ID: Again, I ask, where is your own body of research on filters? Karen should get credit for at least taking on such a massive project, as unscientific as it may be. Besides complaining about ALA , ACLU and anti-filtering librarians, what sort of practical work are you doing on this issue, Mr. Burt? Are you actively involved in working with librarians and vendors to produce useful, easy to maintain filters that the libraries who want filters can use? As someone who was involved in TIFAP I take offense at your characterizations of the project. You weren't privy to many of the emails exchanged between project participants and Karen. There are many of us who indicated on our forms that we found things we thought should be blocked for young children. I think you'll be surprised when her book comes out that she's more fair-minded and objective than you may believe her to be. As someone who tested Cybersitter 97, where you cannot turn off keyword blocking and know of libraries that are using it, your claims that no library uses filtering software where keyword blocking cannot be turned off is wrong. Cybersitter also blocked an article by Declan McCullough in a recent issue of Time online that made a mildly disparaging remark about CS. This wasn't second hand information from an anti-filterer. It occurred on my own PC with CS enabled. I can't be absolutely sure why it was blocked, but it seems a bit odd. Amongst the usual assortment of naughty words, it also blocks the words "pleasure" and "hotlinks" on web pages. Clearly software that doesn't belong in libraries, right? But it's there. Further, with keyword blocking turned off on filters, their ability to block offensive material diminishes to various degrees. I think this sort of information is important for libraries who install filters. I think what Karen is trying to do is provide some information that librarians can use as ONE aid in making decisions about filters. Ultimately, it will be left to the library and their community to decide. From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Sat Aug 23 16:58:22 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Schneider Letter to Meeks and Berry (fwd) Message-ID: At 12:24 PM 8/23/97 , SHERYL DWINELL wrote: >Again, I ask, where is your own body of research on filters? Karen >should get credit for at least taking on such a massive project, as >unscientific as it may be. Besides complaining about ALA , ACLU and >anti-filtering librarians, what sort of practical work are you doing on >this issue, Mr. Burt? Are you actively involved in working with >librarians and vendors to produce useful, easy to maintain filters that >the libraries who want filters can use? David Burt responds: Actually, a number of vendors have contacted me to ask my opinion on improving their products and marketing them to libraries, which I've given. Cybersitter wasn't one of them. One of the vendors bemoaned the lack of objective, third-party information about what filters do (this person also expressed puzzled amusement at the TIFAP "study", and its highly inaccurate results). I'm currently evaluating filters, and the ones that meet my minimum criteria will be discussed and linked to on the FF page, under the heading "Filters which meet our minimum standards". Any systematic, scientific study I undertook would be highly suspect, considering my bias, so I'll leave the studies to real researchers. > >As someone who tested Cybersitter 97, where you cannot turn off keyword >blocking and know of libraries that are using it, your claims that no >library uses filtering software where keyword blocking cannot be turned >off is wrong. Cybersitter also blocked an article by Declan McCullough in >a recent issue of Time online that made a mildly disparaging remark about >CS. This wasn't second hand information from an anti-filterer. It >occurred on my own PC with CS enabled. I can't be absolutely sure why it >was blocked, but it seems a bit odd. Amongst the usual assortment of >naughty words, it also blocks the words "pleasure" and "hotlinks" on web >pages. Clearly software that doesn't belong in libraries, right? But >it's there. DB: We had this discussion before. As far as you knew, only one public library was using CS, and they were using the old version where you could turn off the keywords. One library where it is uncertain if the keyword blocking is on or not does not a terribly devasting rebutal make. SD: > >Further, with keyword blocking turned off on filters, their ability to >block offensive material diminishes to various degrees. I think this >sort of information is important for libraries who install filters. > Absolutely! But you weren't testing how effective they were at blocking out porn, were you? It seemed about 95% of the questions were geared toward showing if they blocked inappropriate things. >I think what Karen is trying to do is provide some information that >librarians can use as ONE aid in making decisions about filters. >Ultimately, it will be left to the library and their community to decide. > Again, if the study produces irreproducible, highly inaccurate results, why is it useful for making decisions? That's a question you guys really need to answer. David ***************************************************************************** David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From stemp003 at gold.tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 23 17:34:46 1997 From: stemp003 at gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Stemper) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: telnet indexes -- keep 'em or ditch 'em? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970823163446.007c7b60@gold.tc.umn.edu> Library Web managers, How have the rest of you grappled with the issue of whether to maintain 2 versions of your journal and information databases, web and telnet? (known by some of our auto sys folks around here as "icky old telnet") While many on the library staff are ready to bid telnet good farewell, we have heard from other lib. staff and several users who would like to keep it around. To me, the issues are: - does it cost more from our vendors to offer users both web and telnet indexes? (ie, will IAC charge us for both? I have not yet been able to get an answer to that around here... >:-| ) - do ref staff want to (potentially) be prepared to teach 2 versions of the same thing? - do auto sys staff want to support 2 versions? - does the telnet version offer features not offered in the web version? (we're still not sure if anything is missing in FirstSearch web) Any ideas to guide us here, much appreciated. Thanks, js ______________________________________________________ Jim Stemper University Libraries / Digital Media Center University of Minnesota, 117 Pleasant St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 624-7082 (612) 625-5055 http://www.lib.umn.edu http://www.umn.edu/dmc mailto:stemp003@tc.umn.edu Fax: (612) 625-5525 From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Aug 23 17:59:40 1997 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Last comments from me Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970823175940.0092f100@panix.com> My last response. It's a doozy, and then I WILL shut up. I'll go to the On and On Anon clinic to dry out for a while, and set mail to postpone (I can always follow the archive). I feel, on the one hand, that this post is far too personal and off-topic for the list, and on the other, that since these discussions continue to be personal, I have exactly one (1) chip to use up as a response. 1) Two years ago, as in, September 1995, I did have many more reservations about filtering software than I do now. Hello! Two years is a LONG time on this issue. Two years ago, I thought differently about a lot of things. Some of my attitudes have changed quite a bit. Then again, so have the tools. I still think if you don't have to filter, don't. People using filters say the same to me! And the tools that caught my attention then--e.g. Surfwatch and Cybersitter--still are unsafe at any speed. And we've shown that. But I do empathise with libraries who feel they MUST use filters, as well as libraries that feel they SHOULD use filters. Not all filters are created equally, no filter is perfect, and through sheer elbow grease we've discovered things that simply defending the use of filters never would. Additionally, there are many problems with filters--intellectual freedom issues, as well as performance issues--that have yet to be resolved. As I wrote Mr. Meeks, "think Pinto." If we had "thought Pinto" when the first OPACs were designed, maybe it would not have taken two decades to design catalogs that mere mortals could use. As an information specialist, it's my job to apply my intellectual skills to assessing new information-service tools. I don't have any business embracing new technology uncritically. I do have a commitment to my colleagues in librarianship to give back to the profession, and I think that pretty well summarizes the ethos of the TIFAP participants. 2) The comment about who "deserves ink" is telling. I get decent press coverage; no complaints there. I do think all sides of an issue should be discussed, and Meeks' article about the "radical librarian" perpetuated the myth about the poor, beleaguered librarian picked on unfairly by his colleagues. It was surprisingly one-sided, given the topic, and suggested that there were only two attitudes in librarianship--the Disciples of the First Amendment and the Burtian Filterers. My response was not about me vs. him, however much he wants to see it that way (as I remember from an early post, "David and Karen in the press"), but about the issue, and about the librarians who hold a different set of views than was illustrated in Meeks' article. 3) Folks have tossed rocks at David Burt, and done underhanded things, and so forth. However, he's simply proved that two wrongs do not make a right, by belittling people, taking comments out of context, slinging insults and in general pouring gas on a fire. He hasn't made his organization appealing for anyone interested in filters. Also, dismissing TIFAP to reporters (which they have told me he has done, because reporters always check up on what people say) hasn't been terribly cricket. When they ask me about filteringfacts.org, up to now I have said everyone has a right to promulgate his/her opinion, and dropped it at that. He should learn to be equally courteous. Until he does, he shouldn't be surprised when what goes around, comes around. _____________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Director, US EPA Region 2 Library | Contractor, GCI | Opinions home-grown The Internet Filter Assessment Project: http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/ Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters (Neal Schuman, 1997) ----------------------------- Information is hard work ------------------------------------ From pem at po.cwru.edu Sat Aug 23 19:29:43 1997 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: perl question Message-ID: <1096415.3081353383@dialin083.remote.cwru.edu> --On Fri, Aug 22, 1997 7:09 AM -0700 "laura hudson" wrote: > if ($in {'user_inst'} = "internal") This will always evaluate to true...'=' is the assignment operator. '==' is a numeric comparison operator; 'eq' is a string comparison operator. So what you probably wanted was if ($in{'user_inst'} eq "internal") But if you do that, the statement will always be false because you never assign a value to "$in{'user_inst'}". Replacing that with "$user_inst" *may* solve your problem. Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-5888 From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org Sat Aug 23 21:28:58 1997 From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Last comments from the Burtians Message-ID: At 03:05 PM 8/23/97 -0700, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > >1) Two years ago, as in, September 1995, I did have many more reservations >about filtering software than I do now. Hello! Two years is a LONG time on >this issue. Two years ago, I thought differently about a lot of things. >Some of my attitudes have changed quite a bit. Then again, so have the >tools. David Burt responds: You need to elaborate more on this. If you are renouncing what you said then, you should do so explicitly. I do not think I am going to be the last person who brings this up when you claim to be open minded on filters. You also do not address the comment about filtering librarians being like Fahrenheit 451 firemen. That wasn't two years ago, that was 5 months ago. Have your attitudes changed again significantly since March? > >2) The comment about who "deserves ink" is telling. I get decent press >coverage; no complaints there. I do think all sides of an issue should be >discussed, and Meeks' article about the "radical librarian" perpetuated the >myth about the poor, beleaguered librarian picked on unfairly by his >colleagues. It was surprisingly one-sided, given the topic, and suggested >that there were only two attitudes in librarianship--the Disciples of the >First Amendment and the Burtian Filterers. My response was not about me >vs. him, however much he wants to see it that way (as I remember from an >early post, "David and Karen in the press"), but about the issue, and about >the librarians who hold a different set of views than was illustrated in >Meeks' article. DB: I think The Burtian Filterers sounds like a sci-fi novel. I will give you credit for coining "Burtian", though. I like it much better that "Burtesqe", which sounds a lot like burlesque. The "David and Karen in the news" post was an annoucement of the Wired article which we were both quoted in, not a comparison of you and I. You know that. Who is the one taking things out of context this time? I find it pretty suspect that a letter to two journalists (Brock Meeks of MSNBC and John Berry of Library Journal) which contains several comments clearly meant to discredit me while calling attention to yourself is not "you vs. me". You charge me with putting people in "us vs. them" camps, yet you know perfectly well I advocate choice on filters. That is our slogan, after all, "Fighting for Libraries Right to Choose". It is you guys on the ALA council and in the ALA OIF, and your buddies at the ACLU who want to restrict choice. > >3) Folks have tossed rocks at David Burt, and done underhanded things, and >so forth. However, he's simply proved that two wrongs do not make a right, >by belittling people, taking comments out of context, slinging insults and >in general pouring gas on a fire. He hasn't made his organization >appealing for anyone interested in filters. Also, dismissing TIFAP to >reporters (which they have told me he has done, because reporters always >check up on what people say) hasn't been terribly cricket. When they ask >me about filteringfacts.org, up to now I have said everyone has a right to >promulgate his/her opinion, and dropped it at that. He should learn to be >equally courteous. Until he does, he shouldn't be surprised when what goes >around, comes around. > DB: I have and will continue to point to reporters where Karen has made anti-filtering comments, and the flaws in TIFAP. Since when did criticizing flaws in a study become "not cricket". I don't think to many researchers would agree with that. I'm sure Karen will continue to tell the press I am a renegade and a loose cannon, badges of honor I wear with pride. I will continue to call her Karen though. She used to call me David, but now insists on only calling me by my last name in the third person, distancing me into the enemy other. I didn't want an adversarial relationship, she did. Karen is the one who started with the public criticism (right after I started getting media attention), not me. David ***************************************************************************** David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG David_Burt@filteringfacts.org From walthowe at delphi.com Sat Aug 23 21:42:14 1997 From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: telnet indexes -- keep 'em or ditch 'em? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970823163446.007c7b60@gold.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970823214214.007b9100@delphi.com> At 02:50 PM 8/23/1997 -0700, Jim Stemper wrote: >- does it cost more from our vendors to offer users both web and telnet >indexes? (ie, will IAC charge us for both? I have not yet been able to get >an answer to that around here... >:-| ) >- do ref staff want to (potentially) be prepared to teach 2 versions of the >same thing? >- do auto sys staff want to support 2 versions? >- does the telnet version offer features not offered in the web version? >(we're still not sure if anything is missing in FirstSearch web) The answer to your questions is pretty clearly YES, NO, NO, NO. My suggestion is to give up any thoughts of maintaining telnet access, but be sure that your information is lynx (the text-only browser) accessible and doesn't depend on frames, image maps, complex tables, or Java. Walt Navigating the Net Publishing on the Web Personal Home Page *** Delphi web memberships are now free *** From awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us Sat Aug 23 23:59:02 1997 From: awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us (Alan Withoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Last comments References: Message-ID: <33FFB186.4EE3AE8@mlc.lib.ms.us> IS THIS LIST MODERATED? Filtering Facts wrote: blah, blah, blah... (from Eudora, not the Sex Pistols) > I didn't want an adversarial > relationship, she did. Karen is the one who started with the public > criticism (right after I started getting media attention), not me. ------------------------------ Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 From awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us Sun Aug 24 00:05:55 1997 From: awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us (Alan Withoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: Last Comments--Correction Message-ID: <33FFB323.934FA377@mlc.lib.ms.us> Jeepers: The Blah Blah attribution I made was incorrect: Instead of the Sex Pistols, I meant Iggy Pop. BIG DIFFERENCE, and I do apologize for the drunken mistake! -- Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 From lbspodic at uxmail.ust.hk Sun Aug 24 00:09:35 1997 From: lbspodic at uxmail.ust.hk (Mr. Edward Spodick) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:39 2005 Subject: telnet indexes -- keep 'em or ditch 'em? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970823214214.007b9100@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Walt Howe wrote: > At 02:50 PM 8/23/1997 -0700, Jim Stemper wrote: > >- does it cost more from our vendors to offer users both web and telnet > >indexes? (ie, will IAC charge us for both? I have not yet been able to get > >an answer to that around here... >:-| ) > >- do ref staff want to (potentially) be prepared to teach 2 versions of the > >same thing? > >- do auto sys staff want to support 2 versions? > >- does the telnet version offer features not offered in the web version? > >(we're still not sure if anything is missing in FirstSearch web) > > The answer to your questions is pretty clearly YES, NO, NO, NO. My I have to disagree on that last NO. For us, the telnet version offers significant advantages over the web version for our OPAC. Most of these advantages will disappear as the web version improves. The biggest problem will take more effort, as it involves the correct display of Chinese characters using EACC/CCCII encodings. We have a very nice interface running for our telnet users which allows them to see many more characters than our web users are able to see. This is especially true in the Windows95 environment, where there is almost no software available which does more than Big5 and GB. I could go into great detail regarding software we have investigated, mapping of characters between different character sets, making sure the user can see something 'legible', even if it is not the actual character used on the item (certainly not desireable), etc. Web interfaces are great, but they are certainly not replacements for all institutions. Edward Spodick, Systems Librarian, Hong Kong University of Science & Technology - - I do not speak officially for HKUST - - From gen at dla.ucop.edu Sun Aug 24 04:40:25 1997 From: gen at dla.ucop.edu (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:42 2005 Subject: text/download MIME type? In-Reply-To: <199708221752.NAA15717@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: I've seen some mention here of download problems but I don't think I've seen anything on a possible text/download MIME type. Is anyone pursuing this? Would anyone else be interested in doing so? Any tips on getting MIME types approved? We are trying to let patrons get their OPAC search results in ASCII text by clicking a DOWNLOAD button. They can select a tagged format for downloading into a bibliographic database such as ProCite or EndNote. If we use a text/plain MIME type, the user's browser attempts to display the text. Not only is this a potential problem if the search result is large, it doesn't in fact download -- the user must save the text from the browser. If we use a MIME type unknown to the browser, then the user has a chance to click "Save" in the browser's dialog box that results. In MSIE, Save is the default; but in Netscape, the default is "More Info" which leads the patron off to the Netscape plug-ins pages. The users aren't dealing too well with being confronted with these dialog boxes at all, though; they expect that when they specify a download, the browser will do it without argument. Ideally, we'd have available a text/download MIME type which would signal the browser that it should NOT attempt to handle it but should save it to a file. Obviously, there would be security implications (config.sys you wouldn't want to download). But if text/download were a recognized MIME type (e.g., with a standard file extension of .txd) browsers and mail readers should be able to pop up any relevant warning dialog boxes before the user does the save. Are we missing some obvious way to allow downloads without requiring a special MIME type and without requiring our users to negotiate the dialog boxes? If not, I'd like input from others who would support a new text/download MIME type. Genny Engel MELVYL System User Services University of California genny.engel@ucop.edu From gen at dla.ucop.edu Sun Aug 24 06:42:57 1997 From: gen at dla.ucop.edu (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:43 2005 Subject: Whither z39.50? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Whether z39.50 which had archane (non-high-level-abstraction) in my > experience became CORBA/ODBC/... compliant is something unknown. Perhaps you're mistaking bib-1 for Z39.50. In the library world, bib-1 is the record syntax definition commonly used along with Z39.50 to define not only the query syntax but the expected kind of data to be returned; some systems use info-1 or other definitions. Z39.50 in libraries occupies roughly the place of SQL in many other database environments. To my knowledge ODBC (and JDBC for that matter) deals only with SQL and you'd have to have another layer to translate to Z39.50. SQL is arcane in most library client/server environments; Z39.50 is arcane in most business environments. Anyone who wants to write a JDBC-to-Z39.50 link would make it a lot easier for Javacized pages to forward queries to library servers. Genny Engel gen@dla.ucop.edu From wpl at quick.net Fri Aug 22 07:35:15 1997 From: wpl at quick.net (Dean C. Rowan) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:43 2005 Subject: Netscape Ghosts Message-ID: <199708241932.MAA26227@mail.quick.net> We've had similar ghostly appearances on our 486-66 machine from years back. I've always figured it's the video card/driver. Granted, the problem doesn't occur with other software, but Netscape and the Web are, of course, heavily graphical. Couldn't the problem be hardware? Dean C. Rowan Whittier Public Library From pem at po.cwru.edu Sun Aug 24 15:57:40 1997 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:43 2005 Subject: text/download MIME type? Message-ID: <1353010.3081427060@dialin033.remote.cwru.edu> --On Sun, Aug 24, 1997 2:15 AM -0700 "Genny Engel" wrote: > I've seen some mention here of download problems but I don't think I've > seen anything on a possible text/download MIME type. Is anyone pursuing > this? Would anyone else be interested in doing so? Any tips on getting > MIME types approved? Can you use something like "application/octet-stream"? I think most browsers handle that by prompting the user where to save the file. Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-5888 From kuhn at mpg-gv.mpg.de Mon Aug 25 06:01:15 1997 From: kuhn at mpg-gv.mpg.de (Heinrich C. Kuhn) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Whither z39.50? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970822204650.0102a100@verity.com> Message-ID: <9708250802.AA10871@library.berkeley.edu> Nick Arnett asked on Fri, 22 Aug 1997 via Web4Lib: > I'm taking one of my periodic looks at z39.50, with an eye toward whether or > not Verity should add support for it to our products. Does anyone know of a > source for estimating the installed base? I hope somebody else will come up with information about how to estimate the installed base. What I myself can contribute is far less, and it's rather parochial, but nevertheless ... : Sometime in 1998/99 the southern half of the German library consortia will rather completely switch to systems that support z39.50 - which will have some influence on the installed base of z39.50 servers and clients in Germany ... . > Opinions about its future, > anecdotal evidence, rants and raves are welcome, especially the degree to > which it is making progress outside of the library community. It is possible to search the databases provided via Ovid (not the poet, but the firm at http://www.ovid.com) via z39.50 and probably there are competitors to Ovid who offer the same feature. The good thing about z39.50 is, that you can search several databases (catalogues and other things) in one rush for matches to titles, authors, and a rather restricted set of other things. If the infor- mation you are looking for can be retrieved via the set common to all databases you search in, and if the items you are looking for are comparatively rare, z39.50-support is a fine thing to have. As long however as different databases have different features in order to accommodate for different types of material z39.50 pro- bably won't be the one-and-only protocol via which to access all of the databases of this world. But for some things it's a good option to have IMHO. Regards Heinrich C. Kuhn +--------------------------------------------------------- ! Dr. Heinrich C. Kuhn (coordinator libraries &c.) ! Max-Planck-Gesellschaft / Generalverwaltung VIIIb3 ! Postfach 10 10 62 / D-80084 Muenchen ! T: +49-89-2108 1563 / F: +49-89-2108 1565 ! eMail: hck@ipp-garching.mpg.de, kuhn@mpg-gv.mpg.de From PD.Teskey at ulst.ac.uk Mon Aug 25 12:38:10 1997 From: PD.Teskey at ulst.ac.uk (Patrick Teskey) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Word97 to HTML Message-ID: <6A944B543E3@foyle.ulst.ac.uk> can anyone help? Converting from Word97 to HTML seems to work very well, apart from one annoying bugs. Has anyone else come across this or can you suggest a solution? If I import an existing document with tags it automatically add a width=287 height=96 attribute, which completely distorts the images. This is most annoying, and I can see no explanation for it. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Patrick Teskey From nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us Mon Aug 25 08:11:45 1997 From: nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us (nancy keane) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: making background image Message-ID: <19970825121144809.AAA126@Nancy> I would like to turn a gif of our school mascot into a background image. I've made it tranparent but that leaves a black outline image that is not what I want. What I want is the grey image look that I've seen on other pages. I don't want it to distract from the text of the page. Do I need special software to do this? If so, what should I get? Thanks Nancy Keane ****************************************************************************** Nancy J. Keane phone: 603-225-0862 fax: 603-226-3288 Rundlett Middle School 144 South Street Concord, New Hampshire 03301 nancy.keane@rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett Booktalks Page http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett/booktalks http://www.nhptv.org/kn/nhema (Vice President, N.H. Educational Media Association) ++++++++++++++Do the best you can and maintain a sense of humor++++++++++++++++ From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au Mon Aug 25 08:30:45 1997 From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: text/download MIME type? Message-ID: At 1:52AM 24/8/97, Genny Engel wrote: >Obviously, there would be security implications (config.sys you >wouldn't want to download). A lot of heavy library users are unix users and some even MacOS so this is not a worry to them. >Are we missing some obvious way to allow downloads without requiring a >special MIME type and without requiring our users to negotiate the dialog >boxes? If not, I'd like input from others who would support a new >text/download MIME type. The purpose of MIME is to tell the machine at the client end how to handle the file. If its a machine in the library you control in so you set it up to handle what you think is reasonable. If its not a library machine you send files in a format which you think most people can handle and tell them how to set up their MIME mappings. If you can't do that send in TEXT/PLAIN. Tony _____________________________________________________________ mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au |+61 2 6288 0959 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA Apologise for the stolen generation - From beni.culturali at ns.regione.liguria.it Mon Aug 25 09:40:21 1997 From: beni.culturali at ns.regione.liguria.it (Beppe Pavoletti (Regione Liguria - Biblioteche)) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: A new linux list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970825154021.007c9580@regione.liguria.it> A new Linux list is active: it might be interesting for members of Web4lib because it deals with database managment under Linux (including use of DBMS, informationr retrieval, and specific application such as libraries, archives, documentation centers). To subscribe you have to go to the web site http://www.coollist.com and subscribe from there. List address is linuxdb@coollist.com Beppe Pavoletti -------------------------------------------------------- REGIONE LIGURIA - Struttura Biblioteche Musei e Beni Culturali Piazza della Nunziata 2 16124 GENOVA GE ITALY Phone/Fax +39-10-2465955/2465953/2465895 Fax (24 h.) +39-10-2465955 mailto:beni.culturali@regione.liguria.it http://www.regione.liguria.it/sesatc/270/hbibliot.htm Quando non risulta altrimenti, il contenuto dei messaggi email rappresenta l'opinione personale dei singoli autori. ---------------------------------------------------------- From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 25 10:48:59 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Last comments In-Reply-To: <33FFB186.4EE3AE8@mlc.lib.ms.us> Message-ID: No, in fact, this list is NOT moderated. I rely upon the maturity and forbearance of the participants to engage in civil discourse. Those rare times that I am disappointed in my expectations reflects ill on the offenders, whether they realize it or not. Anyone who is curious about what I believe to be appropriate list behavior is invited to find out at: http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/#Behavior This is, of course, a portion of the Web4Lib Web site, where you can get everything about this list and more. As difficult as it may be to believe sometimes, this list is actually one of the most restrained and civil I have ever experienced in almost ten years of listserv participation. For that I thank you. Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Alan Withoff wrote: > IS THIS LIST MODERATED? > > Filtering Facts wrote: > > blah, blah, blah... (from Eudora, not the Sex Pistols) > > > I didn't want an adversarial > > relationship, she did. Karen is the one who started with the public > > criticism (right after I started getting media attention), not me. > > ------------------------------ > Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us > Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us > 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 > Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 25 11:00:36 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: File viewer for TIFfiles Message-ID: <34019E14.2D3D@morrisville.edu> I am looking for a file viewer for Windows 95 for TIF files. We have a flatbed scanner we will be using and it and its software produce tif files only. I do not want to go through file conversions. We will be using the files for electronic reserve and document delivery. What i want is somehting simple taht would alllow the user to print the file. Files will be accessed via secure directories on the web. The viewer would be set up as a helper application. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us Mon Aug 25 11:09:07 1997 From: julie at kcpl.lib.mo.us (Julie James) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Open letter to Brock Meeks Message-ID: <01BCB13E.ED3DCBB0@JULIE> An interesting side note to the discussion- September's Family PC magazine has a short interview with Brock Meeks titled "From Idealist to Pragmatist: Brock Meeks believed the Internet needed no controls, until the kids downloading porn were his own" Unfortunately, the article isn't online. p.52 in paper. -=- Julie James Kansas City Public Library Internet Librarian 311 E. 12th Street http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us Kansas City, MO 64106 julie@kcpl.lib.mo.us 816/221-2685 x12 From nplatt at legarto.minn.net Mon Aug 25 13:42:58 1997 From: nplatt at legarto.minn.net (Nina Platt) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: UWTerm and NT workstation 4.0 Message-ID: <3401C422.2373@legarto.minn.net> I don't know if this is the appropriate list for this question but I've been reading the postings regarding telnet applications and thought someone may have an answer to this problem. We are in the process of moving to Windows NT 4.0 workstations from a combination of VAX dumb terminals and PCs with Windows 3.11. We've used UWTerm in the past (on 3.11) to access an application (MASS11) on a VAX that requires the vt200 emulation and uses the vt100 edit keypad. During our conversion we will continue to use MASS11 for a short time until everyone is up on the network and trained in Office 97. It appeared that UWTerm was going to work for us on the NT workstations to access MASS11 but we've run into a problem. The vt100 edit keypad works for a time and then loses functionality--the "gold" key no longer works in conjunction with the other edit keys. It's strange because it doesn't happen all the time. My question is threefold. 1) Does anyone know if there is a way to configure UWTerm to consistently use the vt100 keypad on NT? 2) Should we consider finding a 32-bit telnet application and forget about using UWTerm? 3) If we do need to move to a new telnet application, does anyone have any recommendations for NT that does vt200/220/320 emulation? We've tested UWterm with Netscape and haven't run into any problems so didn't plan on changing telnet packages for our Internet use. Our need for UWTerm to access MASS11 will just be temporary so we don't want to spend the money on a new telnet package (or the time to install it) unless it's necessary. Any suggestions? Thanks. Nina Platt, Systems Librarian Minnesota Office of Attorney General E-mail: nina.platt@state.mn.us Phone: 612-215-1398 From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 25 12:35:13 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: [CONF] 1998 3rd ACM Conference on Digital Libraries (June 23-26, 1998: Pittsburgh, PA, USA) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970825123513.005de4c8@nlc-bnc.ca> *** Apologies if this message is routed to you inappropriately or *** *** you receive it more than once. Please distribute freely to *** *** any relevant mailing lists or interested parties. *** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digital Libraries '98 - The Third ACM Conference on Digital Libraries Pittsburgh, PA, USA, June 23-26, 1998 (Sponsored by ACM through SIGIR and SIGLINK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digital libraries will likely figure amongst the most important and influential institutions of the 21st Century. Long a dream, the early prognostications of visionaries such as Bush, Nelson, and Licklider of large-scale, sustainable digital libraries are progressively becoming a reality with the initiation of major DL projects at national levels. Future digital libraries will not only improve access to the world's knowledge dramatically, but also act as 'collaboratories' out of which new knowledge is crafted and refined by widely-distributed teams and organizations -- knowledge that right from conception is fully interconnected with previous work. But daunting challenges stand in the way. No amount of rhetoric can finesse the plethora of thorny issues that need addressing. While visions are cheap -- useable, scaleable, sustainable, and interoperable solutions demand intensive collaboration from researchers in many disciplines, and substantial commitments from imaginative and resourceful practitioners. Olympian though they may be, digital library initiatives will not escape the agonizing ground-level tradeoffs that characterize any large-scale practical endeavor. So what are the key outstanding problems? How can we best begin to address them? What are the major competing paradigms that claim value and vie for our support? How can the digital library community work together in synergetic ways, and avoid the endless fragmentation and oneupmanship that so often afflicts rapidly evolving fields? At Digital Libraries '98, we will build on the foundation laid by earlier conferences in this series, as well as the hard work of the many individuals who helped bring our field to fruition. We will strive to unite all players that have a stake in the future of digital libraries: librarians, computer scientists, social scientists, administrators, ... academic, government and commercial organizations, ... tool builders, evaluators and users. We will continue to foster their participation as on-going members of the digital library community. Thus we invite you to participate and contribute to this very important field. Please send us your ideas for planning, your papers and other proposals for participation -- and most of all for DL98 -- be there! Held immediately following Hypertext '98, Digital Libraries '98 will provide a common setting for researchers, practicing professionals and students to share experiences and to present results about system construction, human-computer interaction, hypertext, information retrieval, digital librarianship, digital identifiers and many other topics related to the field of digital libraries. The conference attracts distinguished attendees from a diverse range of fields. Digital Libraries '98 will provide a forum for presentation and discussion of exciting and original developments in digital libraries through a variety of formats. The Proceedings of Digital Libraries '98 will be published by ACM Press. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TECHNICAL PROGRAM Digital Libraries '98 will provide a common setting for researchers and practicing professionals to share experiences and compare notes about authoring, publishing, system construction, human-computer interaction, copyright issues, digital library services, electronic journals, evaluation, and many other topics. Attendees come with backgrounds in computing, library science, psychology, literature, sociology, engineering, law, medicine -- many different fields -- and we warmly invite your participation. Digital Libraries '98 will provide a forum for presentation and discussion of exciting and original developments in digital libraries through several formats: papers, panels, short papers, demonstrations, posters, tutorials, and workshops. Topics for the conference encompass anything of relevance to the field of Digital Libraries. Possible topics include, but are not limited to: DL projects, user experience, DL technologies, search engines, name spaces, indexing, collection development and management, user support, digital librarianship, requirements for DLs, economics of DLs, lessons learned, collaborative libraries, information summarization and visualization, metadata issues, multimedia collections and many others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CRITICAL DATES 15 Jan 98: Papers due, Proposals for Panels, Workshops, and Tutorials due. 31 Mar 98: Notification of acceptance for Papers, Panels, Workshops, and Tutorials. 13 Apr 98: Short Papers due. Proposals for Posters and Demos due. 20 Apr 98: Final versions of accepted papers due. Notification of acceptance for Short Papers, Posters, and Demos. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAPERS Technical papers present integrative reviews or original reports of substantive new work in areas that are theoretical (e.g., models), empirical (experiments, case studies, ...), or implementation-oriented (new systems). Papers should provide a clear, concise message to the audience, situate the work within the field, cite related work and clearly indicate the innovative aspects of the work and its contribution to the field. Papers must be written in English and formatted single-spaced, double-columned, using the specifications at the DL98 web site (www.ks.com/DL98). In no case should they exceed 10 pages. Please submit 3 copies of the paper and one copy of a cover page. On the cover page include the title, author name(s) and affiliation(s), an abstract of about 200 words, several topical keywords, and complete address (including telephone, fax, email) for the author to whom correspondence should be addressed. The title, author name(s) and affiliation(s), abstract, and keywords should also appear on the first page of the paper itself. Submission: Submit to Robert M. Akscyn, Knowledge Systems, RD2 213A Evans Road, Export, PA 15632 USA. Submissions must be received by 15 January 1998. All enquiries about submission should be directed to rma@ks.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PANELS Panels represent an opportunity for in-depth exploration of current issues and emerging opportunities. Panels provide an interactive forum that will engage the panelists and audience in lively discussion of important and often controversial issues. Proposals (approx. 1500 words) should outline the issues and points that will be addressed in the panel. The proposal must also contain the title of the panel, names, affiliations, and complete mailing address (including phone, fax, and email) of the participants. Submission: Submit by email as plain text to rma@ks.com by 15 January 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHORT PAPERS Short papers report late-breaking research or interesting results that do not justify a full paper. Short papers can be on a similar range of topics to full papers, but will appear as extended abstracts in the proceedings (max 2 pages). Short papers will be given modest presentation time (10 minutes) at the conference. Because of their limited length, extra care must be given to presenting a single clear idea, and why it is important. Short papers must be written in English and formatted single-spaced, double-columned, using the specifications at the DL98 web site (www.ks.com/DL98). In no case should they exceed 2 pages. The paper must include a title, author name(s) and affiliation(s), and the complete address of one contact person (phone, fax, email). Please submit 3 copies of the paper. Submission: Submit to Robert M. Akscyn, Knowledge Systems, RD2 213A Evans Road, Export, PA 15632 USA. Submissions must be received by 13 April 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEMONSTRATIONS Demonstrations allow attendees to get first-hand views of innovative technology and applications, and talk informally with system developers and authors. Presenters should be individuals who have been directly involved with the development of the system and are aware of the novel ideas that it embodies. Information about the demonstrations will not appear in the Proceedings, but authors are encouraged to distribute copies of a handout at the conference. Proposals should describe the planned demonstration and include a description of noteworthy and distinguishing ideas or approaches your demo will illustrate; an explanation of how your demo will illustrate these ideas or approaches; information about the person(s) who will present the demo; and a 100-word summary for inclusion in a program description. Please provide the following cover information: title, author name(s) and affiliation(s), and complete address (including telephone, fax, email) for the author to whom correspondence should be addressed. Tables, electricity, and possibly network connectivity will be provided -- but you must bring your own equipment. Submission: Submit by email as plain text to rma@ks.com by 13 April 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- POSTERS Poster presentations enable researchers to present late-breaking results, significant work in progress, or work that is best communicated through conversation. Poster sessions let conference attendees exchange ideas one-on-one with authors, and enable authors to discuss their work in detail with those attendees most deeply interested in the same topic. Extended abstracts of posters (max 1000 words) will appear in the Proceedings. Submit an extended abstract of at most 1000 words emphasizing the problem, what was done, and why the work is important. Please also provide the following cover information: title, author name(s) and affiliation(s), and complete address (including telephone, fax, email) for the author to whom correspondence should be addressed. Submission: Submit by email as plain text to rma@ks.com by 13 April 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TUTORIALS Tutorials precede the conference and allow attendees to become familiar with basic principles of the field, to receive technical training in a DL-related area, or to explore advanced topics in depth. They are taught by experts in the area and cover topics at beginning, intermediate and advanced levels. Proposals should include a 200-word abstract for publicity purposes and a topical outline of the course content. They should describe the course objectives, intended audience, length (half- or full-day), facilities required (note that it will not be possible to provide hands-on laboratory facilities), and instructor's qualifications. Proposals will be evaluated on the basis of the instructor's qualifications for teaching the proposed course and the contribution of the course to the overall conference program. Descriptions of the courses will be published in conference programs, but will not appear in the Conference Proceedings. Proposers are encouraged to contact the tutorial chairman to discuss their planned proposals. Submission: Submit by email as plain text to rma@ks.com by 15 January 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORKSHOPS Workshops provide an opportunity for a group of up to 20 participants to discuss issues in both research and applied areas -- from one half day to two days in duration. Workshop attendance is normally by invitation, based on each attendee's response to a call for workshop participation. In general, the organizer drafts a call describing the workshop, and invites participants based on submitted position papers. The organizer should also develop an agenda in advance of the event. Keep in mind that workshops are different from paper sessions in that ideas are not just to be presented; they are to be discussed in depth. Submit a proposal containing: an outline of the theme and goals of the workshop, its relevance to the field and the intended audience; a description of the activities planned for the workshop, including duration, number of participants, selection process, workshop agenda and other pre- or post-workshop activities; and a brief description of each organizer's background, including past experience with workshops. Submission: Submit by email as plain text to rma@ks.com by 15 January 1998. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPRIETARY OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION The purpose of scientific meetings like DL98 is to share and disseminate information; papers which make claims that are not fully disclosed or that assert that their results may not be used in other work should not be considered acceptable. Therefore, your submission should contain no proprietary or confidential material and should cite no proprietary or confidential publications. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIRMATION OF RECEIPT OF PROPOSALS Receipt of all submitted proposals will be confirmed by communique with the submitting author. If you do not receive such confirmation (probably most will be email) then assume the worst and check in. We will continue to send you confirmations -- until we hear back from you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFERENCE COMMITTEE Conference Chair Robert M. Akscyn Knowledge Systems rma@ks.com Program Chair Ian Witten Professor of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ ihw@rimu.cs.waikato.ac.nz Associate Conference Chair David L. Hicks Knowledge Systems hicks@ks.com Publications Chair Frank Shipman Texas A&M University shipman@csdl.cs.tamu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOINING THE TEAM If you would like to be a member of the DL98 conference team, we would heartily welcome your help. There are many opportunities to contribute to the success of the conference. Your help would be much appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version of 15August97 From awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us Mon Aug 25 13:41:04 1997 From: awithoff at mlc.lib.ms.us (Alan Withoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: File viewer for TIFfiles References: <34019E14.2D3D@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3401C3B0.656DAC60@mlc.lib.ms.us> Wilfred Drew wrote: > > I am looking for a file viewer for Windows 95 for TIF files. How about Imaging for Windows, http://www.eastmansoftware.com/imaging/ . I am not sure if it will meet all your needs. This program is also provided with the newer Win95. -- Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 From khensche at unexmail.ucdavis.edu Mon Aug 25 13:44:00 1997 From: khensche at unexmail.ucdavis.edu (Kay Henschel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Lib & Info. Studies course announcement Message-ID: <3401C5D1@unexmail.ucdavis.edu> Please excuse any cross-posting of this announcement. UNIVERSITY EXTENSION, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, DAVIS, ANNOUNCES THE LIBRARY AND INFORMATION STUDIES PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT SERIES Are you responsible for managing information in your organization? Come learn more about University Extension, UC Davis , new Library and Information Studies Professional Development Series on September 20. Designed for a wide range of individuals working in the information professions, this course series enables you to further your training in information searching, as well as learn cutting-edge techniques in information acquisition and organization. Experts in the field share their knowledge on current topics, including: * Instruction and practice with new and developing electronic information management and selection tools * Grounding in traditional and emerging sources of information * An introduction to issues in information professionalism, automated information retrieval, information access and proprietary control of information * A broad repertoire of information management, handling and searching skills * Instruction in management of technology and automated systems FREE PROGRAM ORIENTATION: Saturday, September 20, 1997, 9-10:30 a.m. at the Sutter Square Galleria, 2901 "K" Street, Sacramento, California To enroll call 1-800-752-0881 OFFERED THIS FALL: Organization of Information: Principles and Practices in Information Systems Saturdays, September 27, October 11 & 18, & November 8, 8:30 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. Location: Hart Hall, University of California, Davis, Davis, California 3.0 quarter units academic credit Fee: $235 Enroll in Section 972B701 To enroll call 1-800-752-0881. Or for more information, call (916) 757-8512. Visit us at http://128.120.151.75/CATALOG/Arts/library.htm Kay Henschel Professional Development Partnerships in Education University Extension, UC Davis khensche@unexmail.ucdavis.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 25 14:13:03 1997 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Viewing software for tif files. Message-ID: <3401CB2F.6BFA@morrisville.edu> I need to clarify my earleir message. Thanks for the recommendations for using adobe acrobat and exchange. That is not an option. This needs to take as little staff work as possible. Our scanner and scanner software only produce TIF files. THe resolution is excellent (upto 400 dots per inch). The TIFs are for printing NOT viewing on screen. We offer free printing so cost is not a problem. I have received many good recoomendations, however I am looking for something that will do it withe the least fus and mess. The application should have as few functions as possible such as printing, zooming, panning and such. Freeware or shareware is prefered. Thanks. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, Information Today. Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to agriculture on the net. LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of library pages -- From shirley at ibt.unam.mx Mon Aug 25 15:13:19 1997 From: shirley at ibt.unam.mx (Shirley Ainsworth) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: tif viewer In-Reply-To: <3401C3B0.656DAC60@mlc.lib.ms.us> Message-ID: I just started using DocView from http://krsourceone.krinfo.com/htmls/S1Viewer.html from the Dialog site to view tiff documents. Shirley Ainsworth Bibliotecaria/Librarian Instituto de Biotecnologia, UNAM email shirley@ibt.unam.mx tel (52-5)622-7603 fax (52-73)172388 On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Alan Withoff wrote: > Wilfred Drew wrote: > > > > I am looking for a file viewer for Windows 95 for TIF files. > > > How about Imaging for Windows, http://www.eastmansoftware.com/imaging/ > . I am not sure if it will meet all your needs. This program is also > provided with the newer Win95. > > -- > Alan Withoff, Technology Consultant/ awithoff@mlc.lib.ms.us > Mississippi Library Commission/ http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us > 1221 Ellis Avenue Vox: 601.359.1036 > Jackson, MS 39289-0700 Fax: 601.354.4181 > From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 25 14:15:36 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: [WORKSHOP] Licensing of Electronic Resources (October 27-28, 1997: Ottawa, Canada) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970825141536.00630fb0@nlc-bnc.ca> This message is being posted on several lists. Please excuse the duplication. 'License or perish?' A Workshop on the Licensing of Electronic Resources Ottawa, October 27-28, 1997 Purpose and Overview Increasingly, information resources are available electronically. In this exciting but uncertain environment, information providers who need to protect their investments are turning to licenses to define and control the use of their products. As licenses become standard business practice for providing access to and use of electronic information, we must pay attention to both the details and the cumulative effect of these agreements on users, institutions, and the process of scholarly communication. Library and information centre managers are now faced with negotiating terms of use for each electronic resource that satisfy both the information provider and the user. In the realm of license negotiation, one can learn that a clause was missed and we have agreed to restrictions that would be unacceptable in either a print or digital environment. This one and a half day workshop will provide participants with a clear understanding of the complexities of the electronic license environment, including: - the legal aspects of licensing (definitions, authentication, contract law, copyright and Intellectual Property Law as it relates to electronic licenses) - a detailed understanding of how to read and interpret a contract - trends, developments and predictions in the international arena - the opportunities for Canadian libraries. Target Audience This Workshop is being presented in conjunction with the CARL/ABRC Fall General Meeting. Others are cordially invited to attend, especially: Library Directors of any type of library using, or intending to negotiate access to, electronic library resources Acquisitions, technical services, legal, computing centre and other staff involved in reviewing or negotiating electronic licenses Vendors/ commercial distributors Others with an interest in the topic Speakers: Pieter Bolman, President, Academic Press Mary Case, Director, Office of Scholarly Communication, ARL (Association of Research Libraries) Diane Cornish, partner, Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt Hazel Fry, Executive Director, COPPUL (Council of Pacific and Prairie University Libraries) Gary Gibson, Director - Library Sales, Micromedia Nigel Lodge and Mike Johnson, CHEST (Combined Higher Education Software Team), U.K. Alan H. MacDonald, Director, Information Services, The University of Calgary Carole Moore, Chief Librarian, University of Toronto Ann Okerson, Associate University Librarian, Yale University Stephen W. Rhind-Tutt, President, Chadwyck-Healey Inc. John Tagler, Director of Corporate Communications, Elsevier Science Date and Location October 27, 1997 2:15 pm - 5:15 pm October 28, 1997 9:00 am - 4:30 pm Minto Place Suite Hotel, 433 Laurier Avenue West, Ottawa, Ontario 1-800-267-3377 80 suites are being held until September 22, 1997. The daily rate is $110.00. Registration Fees $310 (CARL Directors) $410 (non-members) Attendance is limited. The registration fee includes continental breakfast, buffet lunch, all breaks, and a reception at the National Library. Participants are invited to join CARL members for dinner on October 27th (additional charge of $50). Further information to be provided. Prepayment is required. Cheques should be made payable to Canadian Association of Research Libraries and mailed BY SEPTEMBER 5th, 1997 to : Stellina Mingardi Canadian Association of Research Libraries Room 602 Morisset Hall University of Ottawa 65 University Street Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9A5 Phone: (613) 562-5800 ext. 3652 Fax: (613) 562-5195 email: carladm@uottawa.ca Registration Fax or mail the registration form. The above information plus updates may also be found on the CARL/ABRC website. http://www.uottawa.ca/library/carl/ CARL/ABRC Licensing Workshop Registration Form 'License or perish?' A Workshop on the Licensing of Electronic Resources for Libraries October 27-28, 1997 Minto Place Suite Hotel Ottawa, Ontario Sponsored by: Canadian Association of Research Libraries/Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada In association with: Association of Research Libraries (Washington, D.C.) Registration deadline: September 5, 1997 Confirmations will be sent: September 8, 1997 The registration fee includes continental breakfast, buffet lunch, all breaks, and a reception at the National Library. Attendance will be limited. 1. Registrant information Name: Title: Library: Address: Telephone: Fax: Email 2. Amount and Method of Payment $310 (CARL members) $410 (non-members) Prepayment is required. Please make cheques payable to the Canadian Association of Research Libraries and mail by September 5, 1997 to: Stellina Mingardi Administrative Assistant Canadian Association of Research Libraries Room 602, Morisset Hall 6 5 University Street Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9A5 Telephone: (613) 562-5800 ext. 3652 Fax: (613) 562-5195 Email: carladm@uottawa.ca No refund for cancellations received after September 5, 1997. ******************************************************************** Tim Mark Interim Executive Director / Directeur General Interimaire Canadian Association of Research Libraries / Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada Tel: (613) 562-5800 x3652 Fax: (613) 562-5195 Internet: carl@uottawa.ca ********************************************************************** From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 25 14:19:45 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: [WORKSHOP] Atelier sur les license (27-28 octobre 1997: Ottawa, Canada) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970825141945.0059fcb0@nlc-bnc.ca> "Licence ou desastre?" Les licences des produits electroniques pour les bibliotheques Ottawa 27-28 octobre 1997 Contexte et objectifs Les ressources documentaires electroniques se multiplient. C'est dans ce contexte stimulant mais instable que les fournisseurs d'information, soucieux de proteger leurs investissements, recourent de plus en plus a la licence pour definir et controler l'utilisation de leurs produits. Plus la licence devient pratique courante en affaires tant pour l'acces aux produits electroniques que pour leur utilisation plus nous devons nous pencher sur les repercussions petites et grandes, de ces ententes sur les utilisateurs, les institutions, et les modes de la communication savante. Les gestionnaires des bibliotheques et des infocentres doivent maintenant negocier les conditions d'utilisation de chaque produit electronique de maniere a satisfaire a la fois les exigences du vendeur et de l' utilisateur. Ce monde de la negociation des licences peut reserver des surprises: par exemple une clause a laquelle on n'aurait pas porte trop d'attention peut nous assujettir a des restrictions inacceptables tout autant pour les sources numeriques que imprimees. Cet atelier d'une journee et demie permettra aux participants de mieux maitriser les meandres du dossier des licences electroniques, notamment: * aspects juridiques d'une licence (definitions, validation, droit des contrats, droit d'auteur et de la propriete intellectuelle dans ses applications aux licences electroniques) * explication detaillee sur la lecture et l'interpretation d'un contrat * tendances, developpements et pronostics a l'echelle internationale * avenues ouvertes aux bibliotheques canadiennes Public vise Cet atelier fait partie du programme de l'assemblee generale d'automne de CARL/ABRC. Les non-membres sont cordialement invites a y assister, notamment: * les directeurs de toutes les categories de bibliotheque qui utilisent les ressources electroniques, ou qui ont l'intention de le faire * le personnel des diverses unites administratives, comme les commandes, les services techniques ou juridiques, les centres d'informatique, qui participe a l'examen ou la negociation de licences electroniques * les agents commerciaux: vendeurs et distributeurs * toute autre personne s' interessant au sujet Les conferenciers: Pieter Bolman, president, Academic Press Mary Case, directrice, Office of Scholarly Communication, ARL (Association of Research Libraries) Diane Cornish, associee, Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt Hazel Fry, directrice generale, COPPUL (Council of Prairie and Pacific University Libraries) Gary Gibson, directeur des ventes aux bibliotheques, Micromedia Nigel Lodge et Mike Johnson, CHEST (Combined Higher Education Software Team) U.K. Alan H. MacDonald, Directeur, services d'information, The University of Calgary Carole Moore, bibliothecaire en chef, Universite de Toronto. Ann Okerson, bibliothecaire associee, Universite Yale Stephen Rhind-Tutt, President, Chadwyck-Healey Inc. John Tagler, directeur des communications avec les entreprises Elsevier Science Veuillez prendre note que les ateliers se tiendront en anglais. Date et lieu le 27 octobree 1997 14h15 - 17h00 le 28 octobree 1997 9h00 - 16h30 Minto Place Suite Hotel, 433 avenue Laurier ouest, Ottawa, Ontario 1-800-267-3377 80 suites sont reserves a l`intention des participants jusqu`au 22 septembre 1997, au tarif de 110$ par jour. Couts de l' inscription 310$ (directeurs de CARL/ABRC) 410$ (non-membres) Le nombre de participants est limite Les couts de l'inscription comprennent le petit dejeuner continental, le dejeuner buffet, toutes les pauses-cafe ainsi qu`une reception a la Bibliotheque nationale du Canada. On invite les participants a se joindre aux membres de CARL/ABRC pour le souper du 27 octobre (frais de 50$). D`autres renseignements seront donnes plus tard. On doit payer d'avance. Faire les cheques a l'ordre de l'Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada et les poster a l'adresse suivante avant le 5 septembre, 1997: Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada Piece 602, Pavillon Morisset Universite d'Ottawa 65 Universite Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9A5 Telephone: (613) 562-5800 poste 3652 Telecopieur: (613) 562-5195 Courrier electronique: carladm@uottawa.ca Inscription Pour vous inscrire, veuillez telecopier ou poster le formulaire d'inscription. On peut aussi trouver ces informations et toute mise a jour a la page d`accueil WWW de l`Assocation. http://www.uottawa.ca/library/carl Formulaire d'inscription a l'atelier sur les licences de CARL/ABRC "Licence ou desastre?" 27-28 octobre 1997 Minto Place Suite Hotel Ottawae Ontario Parraine par: Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada De concert avec: Association of Research Libraries (Washingtone D.C.) L'inscription se termine: le 5 septembre 1997 L'inscription sera confirmee: le 8 septembre 1997 Les couts de l'inscription comprennent le petit dejeuner continental, le dejeuner buffet, toutes les pauses- cafe, ainsi qu`une reception a la Bibliotheque nationale du Canada. Le nombre des participants est limite. 1. Renseignements personnels Nom: Titre: Bibliotheque: Adresse: Telephone: Telecopieur: Courrier electronique: 2. Couts de l'inscription et modalites de paiement 310$ (membres de CARL/ABRC) 410$ (non-membres) On doit payer d'avance. Veuillez faire le cheque a l'ordre de l'Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada au plus tard le 5 septembre 1997 et le poster a l'adresse suivante: Stellina Mingardi Adjointe administrative Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada Piece 602, Pavillon Morisset 65 Universite Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9A5 Telephone: (613) 562-5800 poste 3652 Telecopieur: (613) 562-5195 Courrier electronique: carladm@uottawa.ca Les annulations d'inscription recues apres le 5 septembre 1997 ne seront pas remboursees. ******************************************************************** Tim Mark Interim Executive Director / Directeur General Interimaire Canadian Association of Research Libraries / Association des bibliotheques de recherche du Canada Tel: (613) 562-5800 x3652 Fax: (613) 562-5195 Internet: carl@uottawa.ca ********************************************************************** From krauss at crisny.org Mon Aug 25 14:17:35 1997 From: krauss at crisny.org (Stephanie Kraus) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Forms not using cgi? Message-ID: <3401CC3F.22F6FCED@crisny.org> I have recently been playing around with creating a a reference question form to put on our web page. Since I don't know anything about perl I have been struggling with the CGI "stuff". In the help section of my HotDog Pro I came across these sentences: "Forms can also be used to send mail to someone. This can be useful if you don't know anything about CGI programming: the form can mail the information directly to your account. Information sent this way is not formatted, but can still be understoood" Has anyone tried this? Does this mean in the form tag I would use ACTION="mailto:wkslibry@crisny.org" instead of sending it to a URL containing a script? Any experiences using the mailto tag for forms or help you can give would be greatly appreciated! Stephanie Kraus Outreach and Internet Services Librarian Wm. K. Sanford Town Library Loudonville, New York From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 25 14:22:21 1997 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: [CFP] 1998 IRMA International Conference Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970825142221.005d8230@nlc-bnc.ca> CALL FOR PARTICIPATION Papers, Abstracts, Research-in-Progress, Panels and Workshops!!! Submission Deadline, OCTOBER 20, 1997 1998 Information Resources Management Association International Conference "Effective Utilization and Management of Emerging Information Technologies. MAY 17 - 20, 1998 Boston MA ******INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY in LIBRARIES****** Track Chair: Patricia D. Fletcher University of Maryland, Baltimore County 410-455-3154 410-455-1073 (FAX) fletcher@umbc.edu Developments in information technology have had a major impact in libraries of all types over the last two decades. The challenges for libraries arise from the advent of the computer and the proliferation of cheaper, faster, and more efficient means of accessing information. These challenges are profound and have a wide reach in the library world. The role of the libraries in a digital world is uncertain and challenging. How libraries respond to the many implications of the information technologies will have a determining effect in their sustainability. Ethical issues of privacy, intellectual property, censorship, and knowledge organization are also of major concerns to libraries in today's networked environment. This IRMA track seeks to expand professional knowledge in this critical arena. Topics of interest include: Public Access to Information Technology for Special Libraries Virtual Libraries Electronic Networks for Library Services The Role of the Librarian in the Digital Library Knowledge Organization Challenges Electronic Publishing and Intellectual Property Rights Full Text Document and Citation Services Cost Models for Internet Services IMPORTANT DATES: Deadline for receipt of papers/proposals: October 20, 1997 Notification of Acceptance/Rejection: November 28, 1997 Deadline for Receipt of final papers: January 17, 1998 Early Registration Ends: April 3, 1998 Conference Dates: May 17-20, 1998 Submission Categories and Guidelines are available at the IRMA web site: http://www.hbg.psu.edu/Faculty/mlk/IRMA.html Send all submissions to: Medhi Khosrowpour, Program Chair 1998 IRMA International Conference 1331 E. Chocolate Avenue Hershey, PA 17033-1117, USA (717) 948-6344 (717) 533-8661 (FAX) m1k@psu.edu IRMA: 717-533-8879 http://www.hbg.psu.edu/Faculty/mlk/IRMA.html CHEERS! ************************************************************* Patricia Diamond Fletcher, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Department of Information Systems Faculty Associate, MD Institute for Policy Analysis & Research The University of Maryland, Baltimore County 1000 Hilltop Circle Baltimore, MD 21250 410-455-3154 410-455-1073 FAX URL: http://research.umbc.edu/~fletcher ************************************************************** From stone at imcpl.lib.in.us Mon Aug 25 14:26:05 1997 From: stone at imcpl.lib.in.us (Brian Stone) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Telnet for Netscape 4.0 standalone and/or 4.02? References: <3.0.2.32.19970822103428.007b01d0@vms.csd.mu.edu> Message-ID: <3401CE3C.2AE651D9@imcpl.lib.in.us> I've got netterm working under 4.01a with the following specified as the telnet app: C:\program files\netterm\netterm.exe %1 %2 works great. Brian Sheryl Dwinell wrote: > I've also downloaded the stand-alone version of Navigator, 4.02. I > tried > using C:\program files\QPC\QvtNet\bin\telnet.bat url.dll %1 %2 , but > couldn't get that to work since I don't have a file called telnet.bat > in > the bin directory of QVTNet. So, I put term.exe back in. Also, I had > to > put a quote before C and after .exe. When I clicked on a telnet > hotlink > Term opened, but I got an error message that said, "Unable to obtain > IP > address for url.dll". Finally, I got it to work by typing this: > > "C:\Program Files\QPC\QVTNet\bin\term.exe" %1 %2 > > Make note of the quotation marks. > > And Netscape wants to sell this to Average Joe home user?? > From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Mon Aug 25 14:53:23 1997 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Ventana Books Online Message-ID: The main page works but the links don't! http://www.vmedia.com/commodity/onlinebooks/ Their online books include: Walking the World Wide Web http://www.vmedia.com/commodity/onlinebooks/ Official Netscape Navigator 3.0 Book http://www.vmedia.com/books/offnet3/ Official Navigator Gold 3.0 Book http://www.vmedia.com/books/gold30/ Official Netscape Plugin Book http://www.vmedia.com/books/plugin/ HTML Programmer's Reference http://www.vmedia.com/books/htmlref/ Peter Scott, Manager, Small Systems, University of Saskatchewan Libraries 3 Campus Drive, Saskatoon, Sask, Canada, S7N 5A4 Phone 306-966-5920 FAX 306-966-6040 Home Page: http://www.usask.ca/~scottp/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 25 15:33:30 1997 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Forms not using cgi? Message-ID: <199708251936.PAA31323@ohiolink.edu> -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Kraus To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 3:14 PM Subject: Forms not using cgi? >I have recently been playing around with creating a a reference question >form to put on our web page. Since I don't know anything about perl I >have been struggling with the CGI "stuff". In the help section of my >HotDog Pro I came across these sentences: > >"Forms can also be used to send mail to someone. This can be useful if >you don't know anything about CGI programming: the form can mail the >information directly to your account. Information sent this way is not >formatted, but can still be understoood" > >Has anyone tried this? Does this mean in the form tag I would use >ACTION="mailto:wkslibry@crisny.org" instead of sending it to a URL >containing a script? > >Any experiences using the mailto tag for forms or help you can give >would be greatly appreciated! > Be advised that this is a Netscape-specific solution. Other browsers handle action="mailto..." differently. Most notably, Internet Explorer opens a blank e-mail composition window and disregards any form inputs. IMO, action="mailto..." is not an adequate substitute for CGI scripting (which need not be in Perl, btw). Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Mark.Gooch at law.csuohio.edu Mon Aug 25 15:48:20 1997 From: Mark.Gooch at law.csuohio.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Forms not using cgi? References: <3401CC3F.22F6FCED@crisny.org> Message-ID: <3401E184.231DFD21@law.csuohio.edu> I would be interested in any information as to how you would format the information that is e-mailed in this manner. Thanks Mark Stephanie Kraus wrote: > > I have recently been playing around with creating a a reference question > form to put on our web page. Since I don't know anything about perl I > have been struggling with the CGI "stuff". In the help section of my > HotDog Pro I came across these sentences: > > "Forms can also be used to send mail to someone. This can be useful if > you don't know anything about CGI programming: the form can mail the > information directly to your account. Information sent this way is not > formatted, but can still be understoood" > > Has anyone tried this? Does this mean in the form tag I would use > ACTION="mailto:wkslibry@crisny.org" instead of sending it to a URL > containing a script? > > Any experiences using the mailto tag for forms or help you can give > would be greatly appreciated! > > Stephanie Kraus > Outreach and Internet Services Librarian > Wm. K. Sanford Town Library > Loudonville, New York -- Mark D. Gooch Cleveland State University Government Information Librarian 1801 Euclid Ave. Cleveland-Marshall Law Library Cleveland, Ohio 44115 (216)687-5579 Voice (216)687-5098 Fax Mark.Gooch@law.csuohio.edu http://www.law.csuohio.edu/lawlibrary/ From sfowler at camden.lib.me.us Mon Aug 25 17:26:09 1997 From: sfowler at camden.lib.me.us (Scheherazade Fowler) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Novell Application Launcher vs. CARL Menu Builder Message-ID: <9708252022.AA27191@library.berkeley.edu> Hi folks -- please excuse the duplication and the slightly off-thread nature of this post. Couldn't find what I was looking for in the archives. Here at the Camden Public Library in Camden, ME, we have 13 public access stations (6 are primarily web and word processing only, though the catalog is available at those as well.) on the Windows 95 platform. Right now I'm using user profiles only as my security, and I'm trying to find a security program that will also provide patrons with a clear, easy to understand way to choose from available applications, rather than simply disabling certain Win95 features. One choice is CARL's Everybody's Menu Builder -- looks pretty good as far as these things go. But I am intrigued by Novell's Application Launcher (we're a 4.1 server with a 50 user license). My experiments so far with it suggest that it might be a good alternative -- you can control desktop options from a central location, and users can't modify .ini files on local machines. At startup, a user (depending on the rights and attributes you've given them) gets a window which has application choices in it -- the applications can be either on the server or on the local hard drive. But I'm not sure how much use it is as a security tool -- I was able to prevent users from closing that window but not from minimizing it and fiddling around in Windows 95 in the background. Has anyone looked closely at Novell's Application Launcher? I'm interested in your thoughts on its strengths and limitations within a public library setting. If you use it, what supplemental security measures do you need to take to prevent meddling with the Windows 95 desktop? I'd also appreciate comments on CARL's Menu Builder from those libraries which are using it -- how is security, and how do patrons react to it? Are there other products I should consider? Thanks in advance for your help, Sherry Fowler Systems Librarian Camden Public Library Camden, ME 04843 207 236 3440 sfowler@camden.lib.me.us From dmadriga at unix2.nysed.gov Mon Aug 25 16:31:01 1997 From: dmadriga at unix2.nysed.gov (Diane Madrigal) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Forms not using cgi? In-Reply-To: <3401CC3F.22F6FCED@crisny.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Stephanie Kraus wrote: > I have recently been playing around with creating a a reference question > form to put on our web page. Since I don't know anything about perl I > have been struggling with the CGI "stuff". In the help section of my > HotDog Pro I came across these sentences: > > "Forms can also be used to send mail to someone. This can be useful if > you don't know anything about CGI programming: the form can mail the > information directly to your account. Information sent this way is not > formatted, but can still be understoood" > > Has anyone tried this? Does this mean in the form tag I would use > ACTION="mailto:wkslibry@crisny.org" instead of sending it to a URL > containing a script? > > Any experiences using the mailto tag for forms or help you can give > would be greatly appreciated! Stephanie: Although we have a few forms on our site (actually, on the GIS Clearinghouse, which is hosted by the NYS Library) that are set up this way, e.g. http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/forms/persform.htm http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/forms/edform.htm it's a temporary fix; we're planning to change to a cgi script as soon as we can. The information comes in via e-mail, but I can't read it from e-mail; I have to save it and then open it up in a word processing program, where I run a macro I created to parse the information so that's it's readable (in its raw form, the text comes in in one continuous string, with two- or three-digit codes replacing any punctuation). So there's a couple extra steps here, although, for the low volume we're receiving so far, it isn't really a problem. What *is* a problem is that we've found that some people can't use these forms, most often because their browsers aren't set up to send e-mail or because they're using Internet Explorer. (Thank you, Thomas Dowling, for explaining exactly why IE users were having trouble with our forms.) Apparently a cgi script would work in both these situations. We're looking at a script that a colleague just recommended, and hope to have it up by the end of the month. Diane Madrigal New York State Library From nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us Mon Aug 25 16:57:40 1997 From: nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us (nancy keane) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: searching own page Message-ID: <19970825205740203.AAA120@Nancy> A short time ago there was a discussion of searching your own web page. People had wonderful suggestions about different strategies and software to use to make your own pages searchable. Unfortunately, the ones I saved all refer to UNIX servers. We have a new web server which runs on a Mac 9650 233mghz Power PC with PCI bus and System 7.6.1. My network Administrator thinks that a software called Apple e.g. would do what I want but I don't know anything about it. I can't use Glimpse since it runs on a UNIX. Do any of you use Apple e.g. or have any other suggestions as to what I can use to make my web pages searchable. Thanks. Nancy Keane ****************************************************************************** Nancy J. Keane phone: 603-225-0862 fax: 603-226-3288 Rundlett Middle School 144 South Street Concord, New Hampshire 03301 nancy.keane@rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett Booktalks Page http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett/booktalks http://www.nhptv.org/kn/nhema (Vice President, N.H. Educational Media Association) ++++++++++++++Do the best you can and maintain a sense of humor++++++++++++++++ From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Aug 25 16:48:53 1997 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Z39.50 Stuff Message-ID: > >A number of people have posted notes concerning Z39.50. > >One good place to start is the Library of Congress, the >official maintenance agency for this ANSI/NISO (Z39.50) >and ISO (23950) standard: > >http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/agency > >There's a bibliography at this site that looks like it points >to articles that would provide a good background/overview: > >http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/agency/papers/biblio.html > >Benrie Sloan > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >338 Henry Administration Building >506 S. Wright Street >Urbana, IL 61801 >Phone: 217-333-4895 >Fax: 217-333-6355 >e-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From gleason at rrnet.com Mon Aug 25 16:53:24 1997 From: gleason at rrnet.com (Gleason Sackman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Forms not using cgi? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970825205324.00b9787c@rrnet.com> Folk may want to checkout the following: From: tanderson@luminis.adelaide.edu.au http://www.webgenie.com/Software/Cspro/ CGI*Star is shareware which easily and rapidly generates CGIs for HTML forms in Web pages. Web sites become interactive in minutes. No knowledge of CGI or PERL is required. Customer Examples: See what can be done with CGI*StarPro Feedback Survey Online Registrations Subscriptions Streamline Email Competitions Online Order Forms Secure Online Order Forms At 01:41 PM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote: > > > >On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Stephanie Kraus wrote: > >> I have recently been playing around with creating a a reference question >> form to put on our web page. Since I don't know anything about perl I >> have been struggling with the CGI "stuff". In the help section of my >> HotDog Pro I came across these sentences: >> >> "Forms can also be used to send mail to someone. This can be useful if >> you don't know anything about CGI programming: the form can mail the >> information directly to your account. Information sent this way is not >> formatted, but can still be understoood" >> >> Has anyone tried this? Does this mean in the form tag I would use >> ACTION="mailto:wkslibry@crisny.org" instead of sending it to a URL >> containing a script? >> >> Any experiences using the mailto tag for forms or help you can give >> would be greatly appreciated! > >Stephanie: > >Although we have a few forms on our site (actually, on the GIS >Clearinghouse, which is hosted by the NYS Library) that are set up this >way, e.g. > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/forms/persform.htm > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/forms/edform.htm > >it's a temporary fix; we're planning to change to a cgi script as soon as >we can. > >The information comes in via e-mail, but I can't read it from e-mail; >I have to save it and then open it up in a word processing program, where >I run a macro I created to parse the information so that's it's readable >(in its raw form, the text comes in in one continuous string, with two- >or three-digit codes replacing any punctuation). So there's a couple extra >steps here, although, for the low volume we're receiving so far, it isn't >really a problem. > >What *is* a problem is that we've found that some people can't use these >forms, most often because their browsers aren't set up to send e-mail or >because they're using Internet Explorer. (Thank you, Thomas Dowling, for >explaining exactly why IE users were having trouble with our forms.) >Apparently a cgi script would work in both these situations. We're >looking at a script that a colleague just recommended, and hope to have it >up by the end of the month. > >Diane Madrigal >New York State Library > > > > > > From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Mon Aug 25 16:59:00 1997 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: File viewer for TIFfiles References: <34019E14.2D3D@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3401F214.65439F8B@am.appstate.edu> If you are using Win95/OSR2 then you already have a tif image viewer called Imaging fro Windows 95 which can be found under Start-Programs-Accesories-Imaging. If you are running an earlier release of Win95 you might check the MS home page to see if image is available free as an upgrade. Otherwise there are several viewers downloadable from www.tucows.com, cws.internet.com,www.download.com, www.shareware.com. You will have to check the individual licensing for each product. You mentioned you don't want to go through file conversion but, tif images use much more disk space than gif,jpeg, or bitmap files. And, gif and jpg files can be loaded and viewed directly from a web browser. In fact, the web browser can have a bookmark to the directory which has the files and display the name of each file, if that drive is mapped to the PC where you want to view the files and your web server is set to allow viewing of directories. On the other hand, tif files are much better quality than the others. Thomas Bennett. Wilfred Drew wrote: > I am looking for a file viewer for Windows 95 for TIF files. We have > a > flatbed scanner we will be using and it and its software produce tif > files only. I do not want to go through file conversions. We will be > > using the files for electronic reserve and document delivery. What i > want is somehting simple taht would alllow the user to print the file. > > Files will be accessed via secure directories on the web. The viewer > would be set up as a helper application. > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, > Reference) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY > 13408-0902 > E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU > powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/ > Below is 3 lines of blatant self-promotion: > Author of _Key Guide to Electronic Resources: Agriculture, 1995, > Information Today. > Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Best guide to > agriculture on the net. > LibraryLinks: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/ Great set of > library pages > -- -- ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ ;/* */ ;/* Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University */ ;/* bennettt@am.appstate.edu Belk Library */ ;/* bennetttm@appstate.edu Systems And Automation Team */ ;/* bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu Computer Consultant II */ ;/* Office: 704 262 2795 Cellular: 704 266 3743 */ ;/* http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu */ ;/* */ ;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ If it works, don't fix it! From newworld at bagley.polaristel.net Mon Aug 25 18:05:22 1997 From: newworld at bagley.polaristel.net (Chuck Waibel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: making background image Message-ID: <199708252219.RAA00860@orion.means.net> > I would like to turn a gif of our school mascot into a background image. > I've made it tranparent but that leaves a black outline image that is not > what I want. What I want is the grey image look that I've seen on other > pages. I don't want it to distract from the text of the page. Do I need > special software to do this? If so, what should I get? For instance, here's how the first few lines of one of my pages looks: Clearwater County Home Page You should be able to place any kind of GIF this way. Just remember to save it in a proper size, and without a border. As far as color, to get a "dimmer" effect you must edit it in your graphics software, swapping colors or lessening intensity. Regards, Chuck Waibel From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu Mon Aug 25 19:11:27 1997 From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: making background image In-Reply-To: <199708252219.RAA00860@orion.means.net> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970825181127.007ae4c0@vms.csd.mu.edu> > I would like to turn a gif of our school mascot into a background image. > I've made it tranparent but that leaves a black outline image that is not > what I want. What I want is the grey image look that I've seen on other > pages. I don't want it to distract from the text of the page. Do I need > special software to do this? If so, what should I get? Don't know if you've solved your problem yet, but if I understand you correctly you want to fade out the image a bit so it can be used as a background without interfering with text on the page? You'll need to tweak the graphic with your graphics software. I'm not sure what sort of graphics software you have, but you might want to download the shareware program PaintShopPro (http://www.jasc.com/psp.html) off the web. It has lots of nifty features and comes pretty close to doing everything that Photoshop can do, without the massive price tag. Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From rjtiess at juno.com Tue Aug 26 00:09:52 1997 From: rjtiess at juno.com (Robert J Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:44 2005 Subject: Making a Background Image References: <19970825121144809.AAA126@nancy> Message-ID: <19970826.000922.7543.1.rjtiess@juno.com> Dear Nancy, I hope you have a PC-compatible. If you do, at your earliest convenience you should locate and download Paint Shop Pro (try www.shareware.com) and use the following technique (which should on any comparable paint program). Start the program. Open the graphic. Convert the graphic to 16.7 million colors. Resample the graphic to the size you want it to be. (Resize if resampling's not available.) Convert the graphic to Grey Scale. (Do this only if you want the bg graphic to be gray.) Go to the "effects" options and select Blur. (Other programs may call this effect something else, such as Soften.) Envision text over the image. If the image is too interfering with the hypothetical text, try the Blur More or Soften options (Paint Shop Pro- specific options). If the image still seems too overpowering, trying lightening the image by increasing its Brightness (try increments of 10%). Convert the graphic to 256 or 16 colors (try 16 colors first--it will load much faster). If 256 colors looks better, go with that if the graphic isn't too large. When ready, save the graphic under a new name (using a GIF format with no transparency info.). In the .htm[l] file that references the image, change the background="" statement to reflect the new graphic's filename, save the HTML, then load up the page locally using Netscape (or whatever browser you use). Be sure your text is set to black (text=#000000) for maximum contrast. Also try increasing the text size, using either the

tags or the tag. You might also try using bold tags to increase the visibility of your text. Hope some of this helps. Good luck! Robert J. Tiess Middletown Thrall Library www.thrall.org From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au Tue Aug 26 06:16:05 1997 From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: searching own page Message-ID: At 1:58 PM 25/8/97, nancy keane wrote: >Do any of you use Apple e.g. or have any other suggestions as to what I can >use to make my web pages searchable. eg.acgi works fine but only lets you have one index. The Quid Quo Pro Search Server lets you have multiple indexes and uses the same V-twin search technology. Tony _____________________________________________________________ mailto:tony@ningaui.anu.edu.au |+61 2 6249 5688 mailto:tonyb@netinfo.com.au |+61 2 6288 0959 http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry Ningaui Pty Ltd, GPO Box 1680, Canberra City, ACT 2601 Visiting Fellow, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology. Australian National University, ACT 0200 AUSTRALIA Apologise for the stolen generation - From stew at library.umass.edu Tue Aug 26 08:13:54 1997 From: stew at library.umass.edu (Barbara Stewart) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: Viewing software for tif files. In-Reply-To: <3401CB2F.6BFA@morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Try lviewpro. I think it has everything you are looking for. Barbara Stewart UMass, Amherst stew@library.umass.edu (*also* a self-promoter. See http://www.neal-schuman.com to order The Neal-Schuman Directory of Library Technical Services Home Pages. You'll be glad you did! ;-) ) From rcl at OnRamp.NET Tue Aug 26 09:03:40 1997 From: rcl at OnRamp.NET (Roy Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: E-Mail Overdue Notices Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970826080340.0080ed60@onramp.net> Have any of the Library Automation Vendors created or suggested an option for E-Mail notification for overdue's or soon to be overdues? Just think with all of the people that are getting Internet access they could be automatically sent a pending overdue notice the day before a book becomes overdue. This would get the books back in before the library spent the money for postage. Then a follow up E-Mail sent the day it becomes overdue. With the advent of all of these automatic E-Mail mailers it does not seem like it would be a very difficult program to modify. This would be very easy to impliment in University Libraries where all students have an E-Mail account. Roy Lewis ********* Roy Lewis rcl@onramp.net Automation Consultant, Northeast Texas Library System 972-205-2571 FAX=972-205-2767 http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm ********* From knut at dtv.dk Tue Aug 26 09:14:30 1997 From: knut at dtv.dk (knut@dtv.dk) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: E-Mail Overdue Notices In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 26 Aug 97 06:08:21 PDT." <3.0.2.32.19970826080340.0080ed60@onramp.net> Message-ID: <9708261314.AA04356@io.dtv.dk> The Norwegian library system - BIBSYS - sends the first overdue notice by e-mail if the "customer" is registered with email address. The following overdue notices are sendt by normal postage. As one of the participating libraries in BIBSYS - the Informatics library - we also let the user reply to the email message as a way of renewing. (This means that the original overdue email must include a certain "Reply to:" address, which is not the same as the "From"). The system will soon - I have been promised - be able to send email messages on reserved items being available in the library. Regards, Knut Hegna -- Knut Hegna - knut@dtv.dk DTV, Udviklingslaboratoriet, Box 777, 2800 Lyngby, Danmark Tlf + 45 45 25 73 51 / Faks + 45 45 88 89 84 From jbfink at ogre.lib.muohio.edu Tue Aug 26 09:19:23 1997 From: jbfink at ogre.lib.muohio.edu (Shaken Angel) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: E-Mail Overdue Notices In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970826080340.0080ed60@onramp.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Roy Lewis wrote: > > Have any of the Library Automation Vendors created or suggested an option > for E-Mail notification for overdue's or soon to be overdues? Just think > with all of the people that are getting Internet access they could be > automatically sent a pending overdue notice the day before a book becomes > overdue. This would get the books back in before the library spent the > money for postage. Then a follow up E-Mail sent the day it becomes > overdue. With the advent of all of these automatic E-Mail mailers it does > not seem like it would be a very difficult program to modify. > > This would be very easy to impliment in University Libraries where all > students have an E-Mail account. > We're doing something akin to this here at Miami University Libraries and thus far the patron reaction has been overwhelmingly favorable. -- john f., miami u library systems From sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org Tue Aug 26 09:29:40 1997 From: sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org (Skip Booth) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: E-Mail Overdue Notices References: <3.0.2.32.19970826080340.0080ed60@onramp.net> Message-ID: <3402DA43.1DAC64C9@epfl2.epflbalto.org> Roy Lewis wrote: > Have any of the Library Automation Vendors created or suggested an > option > for E-Mail notification for overdue's or soon to be overdues? Just > think > with all of the people that are getting Internet access they could be > automatically sent a pending overdue notice the day before a book > becomes > overdue. This would get the books back in before the library spent > the > money for postage. Then a follow up E-Mail sent the day it becomes > overdue. With the advent of all of these automatic E-Mail mailers it > does > not seem like it would be a very difficult program to modify. > > This would be very easy to impliment in University Libraries where all > > students have an E-Mail account. > > Roy Lewis > ********* > Roy Lewis rcl@onramp.net > Automation Consultant, Northeast Texas Library System > 972-205-2571 FAX=972-205-2767 > http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm > ********* DRA has had this as an option for well over a year and Anne Arundel County's been making good use of it. It notifies patrons of reserves as well and along with our dectalk telephone notification system has saved as a bundle in postage. -- Skip Booth Information System Support Manager Anne Arundel County Public Library 5 Harry S Truman Parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Aug 26 10:20:18 1997 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: New Global Internet Statistics - Strategic Note (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:57:52 -0400 From: Tony To: netscribes@tic.com Subject: New Global Internet Statistics - Strategic Note ================================================================ Biannual Strategic Note 26 Aug 1997 INTERNET SURVEY REACHES 19.5 MILLION INTERNET HOST LEVEL GROWTH TREND NOW APPEARS LINEAR --Herndon VA, USA. The latest results from the Internet's most basic and longest continuing measurement of it's size were just released by Mark Lottor of Network Wizards at Menlo Park CA USA. The Domain Survey attempts to discover every host on the Internet by doing a complete search of the Domain Name System. The results were gathered during July 1997. The raw data plus some Network Wizards charts are available at or . The latter also provides important reachability information for each top level domain. Lottor's measurements show that the Internet currently consists of countless autonomous networks, representing 1,301,000 domains, with 19,540,000 "advertised" connected computers in 214 countries and territories. Because of the unknown and potentially unlimited numbers of multiuser computers and network or application gateways, it is not possible to correlate any of this information with the number of end users. However, see Quarterman's estimates at Further processing and analyzing Lottor's data over the past several years reveals the following newsworthy and strategic highlights: o The figure of 19.5 million hosts represents a current annual host growth rate of 52 percent. On the basis of this latest number, in analyzing the growth curve over the past seven years, it now appears that the Internet host growth metric has made a significant transition from exponential to linear. An almost perfect least-squares-fit analysis shows that since the Jan 1996 count, the host growth rate has been linear at 18,339 hosts per day. o On the other hand, the proliferation of WWW servers - as measured by WWW prefixed hosts, appears to manifest continuing exponential growth - increasing by 256 percent annually to a new high of 755,000 hosts. o The growth rate transition is probably due to fundamental shifts in the architecture of the Internet, its applications (especially the WWW), and usage patterns. This would include the increasing tendency of hiding large numbers of hosts behind firewalls, outsourcing, and shared use of common hosts. It also includes possible disincentives arising from second order factors like sufficient very large numbers of people who can maintain hosts, as well as the attractiveness of pooling resources at common sites for bandwidth sharing and other considerations. As the Internet scaled through its seventh order of magnitude, it was apparent that the growth could not remain exponential indefinitely. o The largest single domain is .com with 4.50 million hosts, and now constitutes 23 percent of all hosts. This relative percentage is down another two percent over the past six months - meaning there is a continuing growing preference for country domain use being demonstrated worldwide. o Among country and global top level domains above the 10,000 mark, the most rapidly growing included: Malaysia, Turkey Russia, Korea, Russian Fed., Ukraine, China, Indonesia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Thailand, and New Zealand. o In absolute numbers, the most rapidly growing domains were .net, .com, .edu, .US, Japan, Australia, Germany, .org, and .UK with six month increases in excess of 100,000 hosts. (See below.) Among the major countries outside the USA, the host growth rate in Japan is consistently the largest. o Without subsequent processing to attribute the three letter global domains to a country previously done by John Quarterman of MIDS , it's not possible to determine final country figures. However, it appears approximately that the same 60% - 40% balance between USA versus non-USA, proportions remain. Quarterman should be contacted regarding the availability of this information. o Hosts in 214 country domains appear to have connectivity. The domains of a record 27 countries or territories appeared on the host count for the first time - apparently connecting since Jan 97. (See below) Increasingly, some very remote places are achieving connectivity. However, it is possible some of these hosts may not be actually physically located in the country. Very attractive new graphic presentations of all these values and trends can be found at several locations including: PowerPoint 97 PowerPoint 95 PowerPoint v4 HTML ******************************************************************* * This analysis and material is made available to the Internet * * community. The material may be copied and distributed providing * * attribution is given to the sources. * ******************************************************************* Tony Rutkowski Herndon VA 22071 USA tel: +1.703.437.9236 fax: +1.703.471.0596 ================================================================= Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1997 (in absolute numbers) 6 month 31-Jul-96 31-Jan-97 31-Jul-97 Increase --------- --------- --------- -------- .net 1,232,902 1,548,575 2,164,815 616,240 .com 3,323,647 3,965,417 4,501,039 535,622 .edu 2,114,851 2,654,129 2,942,714 288,585 USA-dom 432,727 587,175 825,048 237,873 Japan 496,427 734,406 955,688 221,282 Australia 397,460 514,760 707,611 192,851 Germany 548,168 721,847 875,631 153,784 .org 327,148 313,204 434,654 121,450 UK 579,492 764,000 878,215 114,215 Canada 424,356 603,325 690,316 86,991 Netherlands 214,704 270,521 341,560 71,039 Korea 47,973 66,262 132,370 66,108 Italy 113,776 149,595 211,966 62,371 Sweden 186,312 232,955 284,478 51,523 France 189,786 245,501 292,096 46,595 New Zealand 77,886 113,900 155,678 41,778 Norway 120,780 171,686 209,034 37,348 Russian Fed. (RU) 32,022 50,097 81,104 31,007 Denmark 76,955 106,476 137,008 30,532 Belgium 43,311 64,607 86,117 21,510 Russia 13,601 19,094 38,363 19,269 Switzerland 102,691 129,114 148,028 18,914 South Africa 83,349 99,284 117,475 18,191 Poland 38,432 54,455 70,500 16,045 Malaysia 8,541 25,200 40,533 15,333 Spain 62,447 110,041 121,823 11,782 Singapore 38,376 49,700 60,674 10,974 N.B. - these counts are country or global (e.g., .com) top level DOMAINS. Total COUNTRY counts consist of the country domain counts PLUS any .com, .net, .org, .mil or .int global top level domains that may also be located in the country. In the past, about 80% of these top level domains have been in the USA. Consult Quarterman for complete country totals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1996-97 (in relative annualized percentages) Annual 31-Jul-96 31-Jan-97 31-Jul-97 Increase --------- --------- --------- ------- Papua New Guinea 1 79 15600% Tonga 3 7 417 13800% Cote d'Ivoire 4 202 248 6100% Qatar 6 21 365 5983% Burkina Faso 1 1 48 4700% Ghana 6 203 275 4483% Netherlands Antilles 2 46 84 4100% Tanzania 3 62 3933% Guadeloupe 7 127 3429% Lesotho 1 16 3000% Mali 1 15 29 2800% Guyana 3 52 57 1800% Botswana 24 238 1783% Angola 1 2 18 1700% Niger 2 5 34 1600% Moldova 10 97 168 1580% Cuba 4 15 67 1575% Burundi 1 8 1400% Zaire 1 8 1400% Saint Kitts and Nevis 2 12 1000% Congo 1 6 1000% French Polynesia 25 147 976% Honduras 86 408 590 586% Trinidad and Tobago 66 141 423 541% Zimbabwe 45 176 272 504% Senegal 46 69 275 498% Guatemala 159 274 882 455% Isle of Man 6 19 433% Swaziland 49 226 240 390% Malaysia 8,541 25,200 40,533 375% El Salvador 43 226 200 365% Macedonia 94 284 429 356% Azerbaijan 18 6 81 350% Mauritius 47 122 211 349% Belarus 103 255 451 338% United Arab Emirates 469 1,802 1,994 325% Guernsey 5 13 320% Namibia 84 262 350 317% Vanuatu 8 7 32 300% Bahrain 236 841 896 280% Saint Lucia 20 21 74 270% Liechtenstein 134 213 479 257% Bolivia 154 430 538 249% Kenya 133 273 457 244% Norfolk Island 73 160 238% Vatican 3 5 10 233% Virgin Islands (US) 11 18 35 218% Armenia 105 175 332 216% Lebanon 359 1,128 214% New Caledonia 19 23 59 211% Belize 8 12 24 200% Greenland 140 215 417 198% Turkey 7,743 13,194 22,963 197% Peru 2,269 5,192 6,510 187% Russia 13,601 19,094 38,363 182% Paraguay 85 187 239 181% Venezuela 1,679 2,417 4,679 179% Zambia 92 173 255 177% Korea 47,973 66,262 132,370 176% Nepal 60 60 165 175% Croatia 2,480 4,883 6,705 170% San Marino 277 457 734 165% Sri Lanka 234 349 611 161% Nicaragua 285 531 743 161% Monaco 99 219 258 161% Russian Fed. (RU) 32,022 50,097 81,104 153% Morocco 351 477 888 153% Georgia 119 210 298 150% Pakistan 386 511 959 148% Bulgaria 2,254 3,653 5,515 145% Ukraine 4,499 6,966 10,513 134% Egypt 817 1,615 1,894 132% Gibraltar 60 78 138 130% Dominica 27 55 62 130% China 11,282 19,739 25,594 127% Barbados 9 21 20 122% India 2,176 3,138 4,794 120% Romania 2,725 8,205 5,998 120% Jordan 79 140 170 115% Cyprus 919 1,481 1,973 115% Maldives 33 51 109% Kazakhstan 545 807 1,136 108% Lithuania 1,335 1,775 2,761 107% Uzbekistan 74 122 153 107% Indonesia 5,262 9,591 10,861 106% Argentina 9,415 12,688 18,985 102% Hong Kong 24,133 49,162 48,660 102% Thailand 6,362 9,245 12,794 101% Nigeria 4 6 100% New Zealand 77,886 113,900 155,678 100% --------------------------------------------------------------- Country or Territory Hosts First Appearing Jul 1997 American Samoa Bhutan Buinea-Bissau Cambodia Cameroon Cape Verde East Timor Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Grenada Kyrgyzstan Libya Marshall Islands Martinique Montserrat Myanmar Niue Palau Pitcairn Rwanda Samoa Seychelles St. Vincent and the Grenadines Sudan Turkmenistan Turks and Caicos Islands Virgin Islands (British) =========================================================== From bruceh at csufresno.edu Tue Aug 26 10:26:35 1997 From: bruceh at csufresno.edu (Bruce Hinman) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: UWTerm and NT workstation 4.0 In-Reply-To: <3401C422.2373@legarto.minn.net> Message-ID: I haven't tried using UWterm with NT Workstation 4.0 but I do use it with Win95 and Netscape 4.0 and it works fine. I can say this about Uwterm, you should write protect the Uwterm.ini file. Get the settings like you want them first of course. I started doing that with WFWG 3.11 because I noticed that Uwterm would change settings for some bizzare reason. Once I did this I no longer had problems. Hope this helps. Bruce Hinman bruceh@csufresno.edu Library Equipment Technician (209) 278-6528 office Henry Madden Library (209) 278-6952 fax California State University Fresno, California On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Nina Platt wrote: > I don't know if this is the appropriate list for this question but I've > been reading the postings regarding telnet applications and thought > someone may have an answer to this problem. > > We are in the process of moving to Windows NT 4.0 workstations from a > combination of VAX dumb terminals and PCs with Windows 3.11. We've used > UWTerm in the past (on 3.11) to access an application (MASS11) on a VAX > that requires the vt200 emulation and uses the vt100 edit keypad. > During our conversion we will continue to use MASS11 for a short time > until everyone is up on the network and trained in Office 97. > > It appeared that UWTerm was going to work for us on the NT workstations > to access MASS11 but we've run into a problem. The vt100 edit keypad > works for a time and then loses functionality--the "gold" key no longer > works in conjunction with the other edit keys. It's strange because it > doesn't happen all the time. > > My question is threefold. 1) Does anyone know if there is a way to > configure UWTerm to consistently use the vt100 keypad on NT? 2) Should > we consider finding a 32-bit telnet application and forget about using > UWTerm? 3) If we do need to move to a new telnet application, does > anyone have any recommendations for NT that does vt200/220/320 > emulation? > > We've tested UWterm with Netscape and haven't run into any problems so > didn't plan on changing telnet packages for our Internet use. Our need > for UWTerm to access MASS11 will just be temporary so we don't want to > spend the money on a new telnet package (or the time to install it) > unless it's necessary. > > Any suggestions? Thanks. > > Nina Platt, Systems Librarian > Minnesota Office of Attorney General > E-mail: nina.platt@state.mn.us > Phone: 612-215-1398 > From pem at po.cwru.edu Tue Aug 26 10:23:10 1997 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: E-Mail Overdue Notices Message-ID: <479365.3081579790@ganges.lit.cwru.edu> This isn't really a Worldwide Web technology question, but... We have been sending e-mail notices to our patrons using our INNOPAC system for over a year now. It greatly reduces postage, paper, and staff time processing the paper notices. We have e-mail addresses for all students, faculty, and staff that come through in our patron loads from the administrative systems. E-mail me privately if you want more information. Peter PS, to the Web4Libbers: The topic of an e-mail list for general library technology came up earlier this week in another conversation. Is there a list were questions like this that are *not* related to web technologies in libraries are posted? Please reply privately... --On Tue, Aug 26, 1997 6:17 AM -0700 "Roy Lewis" wrote: > Have any of the Library Automation Vendors created or suggested an option > for E-Mail notification for overdue's or soon to be overdues? Just think > with all of the people that are getting Internet access they could be > automatically sent a pending overdue notice the day before a book becomes > overdue. This would get the books back in before the library spent the > money for postage. Then a follow up E-Mail sent the day it becomes > overdue. With the advent of all of these automatic E-Mail mailers it does > not seem like it would be a very difficult program to modify. > > This would be very easy to impliment in University Libraries where all > students have an E-Mail account. -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-5888 From BENNETR at fsa.wou.edu Tue Aug 26 15:36:10 1997 From: BENNETR at fsa.wou.edu (Bennett, Roy - Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005 Subject: Organizational chart Message-ID: <46929CA0868@fsa.wou.edu> We would like to put our library organization chart on the Web. What HTML tips and techniques do you use (tables, 
, etc.)?

We would like to put departments in boxes and have connected lines in 
the traditional chart fashion with links to department Web pages and 
mailto for individuals, but realize we might need to compromise 
with HTML.  We would like to look at some examples and learn how they 
were created.  Thanks.


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Roy Bennett
Western Library
Coordinator of Library Electronic Resources
Western Oregon University
345 N. Monmouth Ave.
Monmouth, OR 97361-1396

Email:  bennetr@fsa.wou.edu
Voice:  (503) 838-8893
Fax:    (503) 838-8399
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu  Tue Aug 26 14:58:41 1997
From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
In-Reply-To: <46929CA0868@fsa.wou.edu>
Message-ID: 

Hi Roy
The current release of Microsoft Publisher 97 allows a "publish to web"
feature that converts shapes to .gif files and basically takes a snapshot
of your work and surrounds it with the html necessary to view as a web
page. It is not a perfect solution, but it produces an acceptable graphic
for most situations.

You can see an example of this at:
http://www.gti.net/kwagner/training/netscape.html

Kurt

...........................................,,,,,..........
Kurt W. Wagner, MLS   mailto:kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu
Reference/Publications/Library Webmaster      973.720.2285
Sarah Byrd Askew Library 
William Paterson University of New Jersey, USA             
   http://www.wilpaterson.edu/~library
   http://www.gti.net/kwagner
...........................................................



From newworld at bagley.polaristel.net  Tue Aug 26 14:59:24 1997
From: newworld at bagley.polaristel.net (Chuck Waibel)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: <199708261906.OAA12952@orion.means.net>

> We would like to put departments in boxes and have connected lines in 
> the traditional chart fashion with links to department Web pages and 
> mailto for individuals, but realize we might need to compromise 
> with HTML.  We would like to look at some examples and learn how they 
> were created.  Thanks.

	This isn't as hard as it first appears. An effective way of doing it would
be to simply (!?) draw the chart as you'd like it, then export as a .gif or
.jpg. Your HTML software should then enable you to make an image map of it,
so that clicking on the boxes would go to specific pages, send e-mail, or
whatever.  If you'd like, I'd be glad to make up a sample and e-mail it to
you.
Regards,
Chuck Waibel
From pem at po.cwru.edu  Tue Aug 26 17:38:23 1997
From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: <1941358.3081605903@dialin034.remote.cwru.edu>

--On Tue, Aug 26, 1997 12:12 PM -0700 "Chuck Waibel"
 wrote: 
> 	This isn't as hard as it first appears. An effective way of doing it
would
> be to simply (!?) draw the chart as you'd like it, then export as a .gif
or
> .jpg.

The only problem with images is that they don't scale well to different
sized browser windows.  With pure HTML, it will scale, be readable by text
browsers/audio readers, and probably be a smaller file size.  I don't have
any answers to the original poster's questions, but would be interested if
anyone else has other options.


Peter
--
Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager                      pem@po.cwru.edu
Digital Media Services                   http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html
Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio            W:216-368-5888


From dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu  Tue Aug 26 18:30:27 1997
From: dwinells at vms.csd.mu.edu (Sheryl Dwinell)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
In-Reply-To: <1941358.3081605903@dialin034.remote.cwru.edu>
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970826173027.007c15c0@vms.csd.mu.edu>

At 02:56 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>--On Tue, Aug 26, 1997 12:12 PM -0700 "Chuck Waibel"
> wrote: 
>> 	This isn't as hard as it first appears. An effective way of doing it
>would
>> be to simply (!?) draw the chart as you'd like it, then export as a .gif
>or
>> .jpg.
>
>The only problem with images is that they don't scale well to different
>sized browser windows.  With pure HTML, it will scale, be readable by text
>browsers/audio readers, and probably be a smaller file size.  I don't have
>any answers to the original poster's questions, but would be interested if
>anyone else has other options.

I'm trying to envision how one would construct a chart using text & ascii
characters (dashes (-) & pipe (|) come to mind).  I suppose that you could
cobble together some sort of chart doing this using a table or the 
tag, but it seems like a really time consuming task. I'd think that an
image would be much easier to create.  If your image only has two colors
(black & white) it could be saved as a really small 3-bit depth .gif file.
Depending upon the width, folks may have to scroll right, but I don't think
that is such a big deal. You could design the image with a maximum width of
600 pixels and then it would fit the majority of screens.  You do have the
problem of text-only browsers & audio readers, but you may have to
compromise somewhere.

If anyone has a non-image solution, I'd be interested as well.


Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster
Memorial Library * Marquette University
P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141
414-288-3406 * dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu

From bernies at uillinois.edu  Tue Aug 26 18:47:05 1997
From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: More Z39.50 Stuff
Message-ID: 


Yesterday I sent out a posting in response to some
earlier questions about Z39.50, giving pointers to the
Library of Congress Z39.50 site.

Today I ran across another site with good info on
Z39.50, including Z39.50/Web servers:

http://www.rcls.org/libland/auto/z39.htm

Bernie Sloan

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bernie Sloan
Senior Library Information Systems Consultant
University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting
338 Henry Administration Building
506 S. Wright Street
Urbana, IL  61801
Phone:  217-333-4895
Fax:       217-333-6355
e-mail:    bernies@uillinois.edu

From Jennifer_Reiswig at UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu  Tue Aug 26 19:05:00 1997
From: Jennifer_Reiswig at UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu (Jennifer_Reiswig@UCSDLIBRARY.ucsd.edu)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: 

     I got interested in this thread... I just browsed through a bunch of 
     organization charts on the Web.  Most use image maps with a small 
     number of colors.  The one I've found so far that packs the most into 
     the smallest space (not sure that's an entirely laudable 
     accomplishment!!!) is at: http://www.vtt.fi/aut/ava/org.htm
     
     You could also conceivably do it in HTML using tables with colored 
     cells - but you'd have to have an organization chart that would lend 
     itself to this kind of representation, and it would NOT look like the 
     usual box and stick chart....  -- Jenny Reiswig / jreiswig@ucsd.edu
     
     
Web4Lib Org Chart

     

     

     

     
R. 
     Tennant
CEO

     
D. Burt
VP First Amendment		
     K. Schneider
VP Filtering		
     B. Meeks
VP Public Relations

     

     

     
First Amendment 
     Dept

     
Division 1
      Division 2
      Division 2

     
     

     

     
Filtering 
     Dept

     
Division 1
      Division 2
      Division 2

     
     

     

     
P.R. 
     Dept

     
Division 1
      Division 2
      Division 2

     

     

     
     
From newworld at bagley.polaristel.net  Tue Aug 26 20:29:20 1997
From: newworld at bagley.polaristel.net (Chuck Waibel)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: <199708270046.TAA08929@orion.means.net>

	For those who are interested, here's the solution that I came up with; a
.gif on an HTML page, with an .nvm image map file.
	I agree that a non-image solution would be nice, but with ASCII-text you
can REALLY run into trouble  with different browsers and screen sizes.
Regards,
Chuck Waibel
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From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 20:41:06 1997
From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: cheap and filter free way of resticting access
Message-ID: <61E0DD4CC3@rimu.cce.ac.nz>

Hi

For those of you that are wanting to restrict internet access on 
certain terminals to catalogues/databases only, but like myself cringe 
at the thought of "Netnanny - restricted site" coming up everytime 
somebody tries to venture out, then there is another solution that 
doesn't involve filters, proxies etc., which I don't think anybody 
has mentioned before. 

If you set Netscape to use manual proxy (under options-network) and for 
the http:// proxy enter anything but the name of a really server (I entered the 
text "Station Limited to Catalogue), then put the domain names of those sites that 
you want to access in the "no proxy for" box. Then use ikiosk to 
disable the network option menu. When anybody tries to go to a site 
that isn't in the "no proxy for" box they get an error box headed 
"netscape is unable to locate the server"
"Station is limited to catalogue"

Not a perfect solution, but a free one if you already have ikiosk or 
some other menu disabling package. It would also be limited in the 
number of sites that you could allow, I have no idea how many you can 
list in the "no proxy for"  box. If somebody does know this I would be 
interested in finding out. 

Regards
Glen 
***********************************************************
Glen Davies
Information Technology Librarian
Christchurch College of Education
Christchurch
New Zealand
glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz
64-3-343 7737
************************************************************
"I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might
 sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald
                                  The Great Gatsby, ch3
************************************************************
From CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us  Tue Aug 26 21:15:35 1997
From: CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us (CHRIS STENSVOLD)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: new virus warning
Message-ID: 

This message was forwarded to me today.  Have any of you heard of it?
 Is it a legitimate concern?
Chris Stensvold
WebWeaver, Thousand Oaks Library
http://www.tol.lib.ca.us

> >
> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE  CREW" DO NOT
> > open it!
> > It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! This is a new virus and
> > not many people know about it!
> > Please share it with anyone that might access the Internet.
> >
> > Also, If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
> > delete it WITHOUT
> > reading it!!  This is a warning for all Internet users - there is a
> > dangerous virus propagating across the Internet through an e-mail
> > message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".  DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY
MESSAGE
> > ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!  This message appears to be a
friendly
> > letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time
> > you read this letter, it is too late. The trojan horse" virus will
> > have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying
> > all of the data present.  It is a
> > self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
> > AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to
> > anyone who's e-mail address is present in YOUR mailbox!
> >
> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to
> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in box, and
> > who's mail is in their in box and so on.  If this virus keeps getting
> > passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to
computer
> > networks worldwide!!!!
> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon
as you
> > see it!
> >
> > And pass this message along to all of your friends, relatives and the
> > other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on
so
> > that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!!  Please pass this
> > along to everyone you know so this can be stopped.
> >
> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!! WARNING !!!
> > There is a new virus going arround in the last couple of days!!!  DO
> > NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
or
> > Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your computer
> > components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail
items
> > that says this. AOL has said this is a very danderous virus, and
there
> > is NO remedy for it at this time,
> >
> > Please Be Careful, And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > J.M.Ho
> > Microsoft Taiwan

From boughidk at ERE.UMontreal.CA  Tue Aug 26 21:12:35 1997
From: boughidk at ERE.UMontreal.CA (Boughida Karim)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: new virus warning
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


Hello,

I received the same thing a few months ago .. I think it's a Joke .. but
sometimes Hackers take advantages of these Jokes to make a REAL one
(see the Warning of The Energy Dpt of The USA)

Karim Boughida
From clocke at panix.com  Tue Aug 26 20:05:39 1997
From: clocke at panix.com (Christopher Locke)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970826200539.008573a0@popserver.panix.com>

At 05:24 PM 8/26/97 -0700, Jennifer_Reiswig@ucsdlibrary.ucsd.edu wrote:
     
>     You could also conceivably do it in HTML using tables with colored 
>     cells - but you'd have to have an organization chart that would lend 
>     itself to this kind of representation, and it would NOT look like the 
>     usual box and stick chart....  -- Jenny Reiswig / jreiswig@ucsd.edu

LOL - great chart Jenny!  here's another version.

chris
---












Web4Lib Org Chart








R. Tennant
CEO		





First Amendment Dept
Filtering Dept
P.R. Dept






D. Burt
VP First Amendment		
K. Schneider
VP Filtering		
B. Meeks
VP Public Relations		






Division 1
Division 2
Division 3

Division 1
Division 2
Division 3

Division 1
Division 2
Division 3













From m.iorns at waikato.ac.nz  Tue Aug 26 22:41:27 1997
From: m.iorns at waikato.ac.nz (Michael Iorns)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: new virus warning
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970827144127.006cbb78@mailserv.waikato.ac.nz>




For future reference check

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html



At 18:21 26/08/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I received the same thing a few months ago .. I think it's a Joke .. but
>sometimes Hackers take advantages of these Jokes to make a REAL one
>(see the Warning of The Energy Dpt of The USA)
>
>Karim Boughida
>
>

               Michael Iorns|Private Bag 3105|iorns@waikato.ac.nz 
        Computing Consultant|    Hamilton    |Ph(64)7 838-4466x6737 
  Waikato University Library|  New Zealand   |Fx  " " 838-4017

From newworld at bagley.polaristel.net  Tue Aug 26 23:07:52 1997
From: newworld at bagley.polaristel.net (Chuck Waibel)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:48 2005
Subject: new virus warning
Message-ID: <199708270315.WAA03419@orion.means.net>

	Yup, these are hoaxes. I've seen them before. One site that talks about
them is at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html. The things claimed
for these viruses are IMPOSSIBLE.
Regrads,
Chuck Waibel
From tdowling at ohiolink.edu  Wed Aug 27 07:47:24 1997
From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: <199708271150.HAA09845@ohiolink.edu>




>--On Tue, Aug 26, 1997 12:12 PM -0700 "Chuck Waibel"
> wrote:
>> This isn't as hard as it first appears. An effective way of doing it
>would
>> be to simply (!?) draw the chart as you'd like it, then export as a .gif
>or
>> .jpg.
>
>The only problem with images is that they don't scale well to different
>sized browser windows.  With pure HTML, it will scale, be readable by text
>browsers/audio readers, and probably be a smaller file size.  I don't have
>any answers to the original poster's questions, but would be interested if
>anyone else has other options.

Lessee, it needs faithful representation of the original layout and page
size...

PDF.

Sure, some percentage of casual users don't have Acrobat installed, but
isn't the audience for an internal org chart pretty self-selected in the
first place?

Thomas Dowling
OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network
tdowling@ohiolink.edu

From tdowling at ohiolink.edu  Wed Aug 27 07:54:43 1997
From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: new virus warning
Message-ID: <199708271157.HAA09846@ohiolink.edu>

 For others concerned about viruses, the Web4Lib posting policies request:

"Virus warnings (not bug reports), are strongly discouraged, and ONLY
official CERT or CIAC advisories are
acceptable. In addition, before forwarding any virus information you may
wish to check Internet Hoaxes for
hoax information and how to spot hoaxes. "

http://www.cert.org/ and http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/ are the places to ask
*if* something is a real virus, not Web4Lib.  If CERT and CIAC confirm the
virus, Web4Lib *may* be a place to warn colleagues.

Hoaxes like this thrive only by being recklessly forwarded to new
recipients.

Thomas Dowling
OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network
tdowling@ohiolink.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: CHRIS STENSVOLD 
To: Multiple recipients of list 
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 9:16 PM
Subject: new virus warning



>This message was forwarded to me today.  Have any of you heard of it?
> Is it a legitimate concern?
>Chris Stensvold
>WebWeaver, Thousand Oaks Library
>http://www.tol.lib.ca.us
>
>> >

[Yet another variant of GOOD TIMES hoax snipped.]

From gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us  Wed Aug 27 07:50:25 1997
From: gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us (Gerald M. Furi)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Word97 to HTML
References: <6A944B543E3@foyle.ulst.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <34041481.C527D594@metronet.lib.mi.us>

You *can* do this, but first you have to save the document as a Word97
document, then switch to page layout view, click on the image, and from
the Format menu choose the picture command, which allows resizing, then
save it as HTML which puts you back into HTML view.

BTW: Word97 *does* have bugs in HTML creation. Take a look at the source
output for any page in which you have specified fonts (i.e., using the
 tag). The closing tag orders are reversed, which drives HTML
validators nuts.

gmf

From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu  Wed Aug 27 08:26:43 1997
From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
In-Reply-To: <199708271150.HAA09845@ohiolink.edu>
Message-ID: 

I like the .pdf file option, too. If you have the latest release of Adobe
Pagemaker (the academic release is available at a very affordable price
under $200) you can create your chart, complete with subtleties impossible
or impractical to achieve using ASCII characters or html, and have it
available 'in its original form'. I'm thinking that this is a viable
format for putting library publications online as well -- the printout is
identical to the paper versions we publish.

Kurt W. Wagner
Sarah Byrd Askew Library
William Paterson University of New Jersey


From bennettt at am.appstate.edu  Wed Aug 27 08:33:07 1997
From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
References: <46929CA0868@fsa.wou.edu>
Message-ID: <34041E82.CE7670F6@am.appstate.edu>

All the suggestions I've seen in response look feasible.  You never know
what browser someone might use to view your sight or even what
resolution their monitor is displaying.  My response is only suggesting
a program I found that eases the creation of client side image maps.
Live Image, available at http://www.mediatec.com for a 30 day eval, lets
you load any gif file and define clickable areas.  One problem I have
found, at least running from the Unix server on our campus, is that the
popup discriptions only show over rectangular defined areas not circles
or user defined shapes.  With an organizational chart, that shouldn't be
a problem.

Thomas Bennett

Bennett, Roy - Library wrote:

> We would like to put our library organization chart on the Web.  What
> HTML tips and techniques do you use (tables, 
, etc.)?
>
> We would like to put departments in boxes and have connected lines in
> the traditional chart fashion with links to department Web pages and
> mailto for individuals, but realize we might need to compromise
> with HTML.  We would like to look at some examples and learn how they
> were created.  Thanks.
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> Roy Bennett
> Western Library
> Coordinator of Library Electronic Resources
> Western Oregon University
> 345 N. Monmouth Ave.
> Monmouth, OR 97361-1396
>
> Email:  bennetr@fsa.wou.edu
> Voice:  (503) 838-8893
> Fax:    (503) 838-8399
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%



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If it works, don't fix it!


From pem at po.cwru.edu  Wed Aug 27 09:17:53 1997
From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: <5442539.3081662273@ganges.lit.cwru.edu>

--On Wed, Aug 27, 1997 7:47 AM -0400 "Thomas Dowling"
 wrote: 
> Lessee, it needs faithful representation of the original layout and page
> size...
> 
> PDF.
> 
> Sure, some percentage of casual users don't have Acrobat installed, but
> isn't the audience for an internal org chart pretty self-selected in the
> first place?

PDF isn't any better than an image...in fact it might be worse.  I for one
haven't had much luck with browser plugins that imbed PDF inside a
browser's HTML screen, so you have to launch a helper application.  It does
have the advantage, though, that the PDF file can be text-based, so it
could be easily read.  A text-based PDF file should be small in size, too. 
No help for text-only browsers though.


Peter
--
Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager                      pem@po.cwru.edu
Digital Media Services                   http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html
Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio            W:216-368-5888


From JKAMINSKI at BROOK.EDU  Wed Aug 27 10:58:00 1997
From: JKAMINSKI at BROOK.EDU (JKAMINSKI@BROOK.EDU)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms...
Message-ID: <340440A5.ECEB.7553.000@FUND.BROOK.EDU>

Hello:

We are currently tweaking our ILL process, (request to finish), attempting to eliminate a LOT of
paper.  I have finished ill forms, no problem, yet I'd be interested in finding out if anyone has
ported the user's request directly into MS Access?? Or porting the formed request into another
DB device...

Any comments appreciated!

John C. Kaminski
Brookings Institution
From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu  Wed Aug 27 10:31:56 1997
From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: New search engine -- Northern Light (fwd)
Message-ID: 

I recently received an announcement of a new search engine. I was all
primed to go see some lame attempt and therefore was somewhat surprised by
what I found. I haven't yet had time to do a more thorough evaluation, but
at first glance this is definitely worth checking out. 
Roy


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:08:55 -0400
From: Joyce Ward 
Subject: Re: New search engine -- Northern Light

>I would like to introduce a new Internet search service --
>
>Northern Light, available at www.nlsearch.com.  
>
>The engine delivers on the promise of organized and comprehensive search
>results by doing two things no other engine in existence does:
>
>1. We are crawling the Web and indexing every word of every page out
>there, but we also license documents -- entire magazines, reference
>works, newswires -- that are not on the Web, and offer them in real time
>as an integral part of the user's search results.  We call this licensed
>information the 'Special Collection'. 
>
>2. We classify everything in our database, unlike Alta Vista (which
classifies 
>nothing) and Yahoo (which hand-classifies a tiny proportion of all web
pages).  
>A user's search results are sorted by subject, type, or source, and arranged 
>in folders to the left of the screen.  The folders help the user navigate to 
>highly relevant content -- instead of scrolling through thousands of 
>undifferentiated results.  We call this innovation our 'Custom Search
Folders'. 
>
>Part of the technology behind our Custom Search Folders is a proprietary
>classification scheme developed by the librarians and editors here at
>Northern Light. The 'literary warrant' of our scheme is a hybrid of Web
>and licensed documents.  The model used in developing our retrieval and
>display capabilities was that of a librarian fielding a reference
>question and organizing results for the user.
>
>Our business model is to make money through the individual online sale of
>items from the Special Collection.  Web data is always and forever free;
>we'll start charging for Special Collection items after September.  The 
>average cost of a document is $1.00. There will be membership and volume
discount
>deals available.
>
>I hope that you'll take a look at the engine.   Your writings, and
>professional librarians, have influenced our product -- we hope it shows!
>
>Your truly,
>
> Joyce Ward
> 
> 
>Director, Content Classification and Directory
>
>jward@northernlight.com
>Northern Light Technology LLC
>222 Third Street  Suite 1320
>Cambridge, MA 02142
>617-577-2778 (office)
>617-621-3459 (FAX)
>Northern Light's URL: nlsearch.com
>
>
>

From ebro at loc.gov  Wed Aug 27 10:31:05 1997
From: ebro at loc.gov (Elizabeth L. Brown)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:49 2005
Subject: new virus warning--NOT!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970827103428.227f66ee@rs8.loc.gov>

It's not new, and it's not a virus.

Once again, plain old electronic mail cannot carry viruses.  ASCII just
can't do this alone.  (However, email that uses word processor files and
software its reader can carry a virus and so can email attachments.)  It's
also really tough (most say impossible) for a virus to cross platforms, PC
to MAC to UNIX, for example.

There are a number of Internet resources to help you identify hoaxes.
One source is on the McAfee website. McAfee makes virus scanning software.
http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.html

Here you'll see a list of popular hoaxes with details about them.

For example:

  AOL4Free Hoax
  Bud Frogs Screen Saver
  BUDDYLST.ZIP Email Hoax
  Deeyenda Hoax
  Ghost.exe Hoax
  Good Times Hoax
  Irina Hoax
  Join The Crew hoax
  A Moment Of Silence Hoax
  Penpal Hoax
  Returned or Unable to Deliver Hoax
  Valentine's Greetings Hoax

Now, just as you tell everyone with whom you shared a disk when you do find
a virus that he/she needs to scan, you need to tell everyone with whom you
shared a hoax as fact, not to worry.

Good day.

Elizabeth Brown
ebro@loc.gov

(opinions mine and mine alone)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:15:35 -0700
>From: CHRIS STENSVOLD 
>To: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu
>Subject: new virus warning
>Message-ID: 

>This message was forwarded to me today.  Have any of you heard of it?
> Is it a legitimate concern?
>Chris Stensvold
>WebWeaver, Thousand Oaks Library
>http://www.tol.lib.ca.us

> >
> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE  CREW" DO NOT
> > open it!
> > It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! This is a new virus and
> > not many people know about it!
> > Please share it with anyone that might access the Internet.
> >
> > Also, If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
> > delete it WITHOUT
> > reading it!!  This is a warning for all Internet users - there is a
> > dangerous virus propagating across the Internet through an e-mail
> > message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".  DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY
MESSAGE
> > ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!  This message appears to be a
friendly
> > letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time
> > you read this letter, it is too late. The trojan horse" virus will
> > have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying
> > all of the data present.  It is a
> > self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
> > AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to
> > anyone who's e-mail address is present in YOUR mailbox!
> >
> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to
> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in box, and
> > who's mail is in their in box and so on.  If this virus keeps getting
> > passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to
computer
> > networks worldwide!!!!
> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon
as you
> > see it!
> >
> > And pass this message along to all of your friends, relatives and the
> > other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on
so
> > that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!!  Please pass this
> > along to everyone you know so this can be stopped.
> >
> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!! WARNING !!!
> > There is a new virus going arround in the last couple of days!!!  DO
> > NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
or
> > Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your computer
> > components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail
items
> > that says this. AOL has said this is a very danderous virus, and
there
> > is NO remedy for it at this time,
> >
> > Please Be Careful, And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > J.M.Ho
> > Microsoft Taiwan

From Terry.Kuny at xist.com  Wed Aug 27 11:43:15 1997
From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: [FYI] New Global Internet Statistics - Strategic Note
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970827114315.002b7380@nlc-bnc.ca>

================================================================
Biannual Strategic Note                               26 Aug 1997


  INTERNET SURVEY REACHES 19.5 MILLION INTERNET HOST LEVEL
              GROWTH TREND NOW APPEARS LINEAR

--Herndon VA, USA.  The latest results from the Internet's most 
basic and longest continuing measurement of it's size were just 
released by Mark Lottor of Network Wizards at Menlo Park CA USA.  
The Domain Survey attempts to discover every host on the Internet 
by doing a complete search of the Domain Name System.  The results 
were gathered during July 1997.  The raw data plus some Network 
Wizards charts are available at  or 
.  The latter also provides important
reachability information for each top level domain.

Lottor's measurements show that the Internet currently consists
of countless autonomous networks, representing 1,301,000 domains, 
with 19,540,000  "advertised" connected computers in 214 countries
and territories. Because of the unknown and potentially unlimited 
numbers of multiuser computers and network or application gateways, 
it is not possible to correlate any of this information with the 
number of end users.  However, see Quarterman's estimates at


Further processing and analyzing Lottor's data over the past
several years reveals the following newsworthy and strategic
highlights:

o The figure of 19.5 million hosts represents a current annual 
  host growth rate of 52 percent.  On the basis of this latest
  number, in analyzing the growth curve over the past seven 
  years, it now appears that the Internet host growth metric
  has made a significant transition from exponential to linear.  
  An almost perfect least-squares-fit analysis shows that since 
  the Jan 1996 count, the host growth rate has been linear at 
  18,339 hosts per day.

o On the other hand, the proliferation of WWW servers - as
  measured by WWW prefixed hosts, appears to manifest
  continuing exponential growth - increasing by 256 percent
  annually to a new high of 755,000 hosts.

o The growth rate transition is probably due to fundamental
  shifts in the architecture of the Internet, its applications
  (especially the WWW), and usage patterns.  This would include
  the increasing tendency of hiding large numbers of hosts 
  behind firewalls, outsourcing, and shared use of common hosts.
  It also includes possible disincentives arising from second
  order factors like sufficient very large numbers of people 
  who can maintain hosts, as well as the attractiveness of 
  pooling resources at common sites for bandwidth sharing and
  other considerations.  As the Internet scaled through its 
  seventh order of magnitude, it was apparent that the growth
  could not remain exponential indefinitely.

o The largest single domain is .com with 4.50 million hosts,
  and now constitutes 23 percent of all hosts.  This relative
  percentage is down another two percent over the past six months -
  meaning there is a continuing growing preference for country 
  domain use being demonstrated worldwide.

o Among country and global top level domains above the 10,000
  mark, the most rapidly growing included:  Malaysia, Turkey
  Russia, Korea, Russian Fed., Ukraine, China, Indonesia, 
  Argentina, Hong Kong, Thailand, and New Zealand.

o In absolute numbers, the most rapidly growing domains were
  .net, .com, .edu, .US, Japan, Australia, Germany, .org, and
  .UK with six month increases in excess of 100,000 hosts. 
  (See below.)  Among the major countries outside the USA,
  the host growth rate in Japan is consistently the largest.

o Without subsequent processing to attribute the three
  letter global domains to a country previously done by
  John Quarterman of MIDS , it's 
  not possible to determine final country figures.  However, 
  it appears approximately that the same 60% - 40% balance 
  between USA versus non-USA, proportions remain.  Quarterman 
  should be contacted regarding the availability of this 
  information.

o Hosts in 214 country domains appear to have connectivity.
  The domains of a record 27 countries or territories appeared 
  on the host count for the first time - apparently connecting 
  since Jan 97.  (See below)  Increasingly, some very remote 
  places are achieving connectivity.  However, it is possible 
  some of these hosts may not be actually physically located 
  in the country.


Very attractive new graphic presentations of all these values 
and trends can be found at several locations including:

  PowerPoint 97
  PowerPoint 95
   PowerPoint v4
       HTML

*******************************************************************
* This analysis and material is made available to the Internet    *
* community. The material may be copied and distributed providing *
* attribution is given to the sources.                            *
*******************************************************************

Tony Rutkowski
Herndon VA 22071
USA
tel: +1.703.437.9236
fax: +1.703.471.0596

=================================================================
             Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1997
                      (in absolute numbers)
                                                        6 month
                   31-Jul-96    31-Jan-97    31-Jul-97  Increase
                   ---------    ---------    ---------  --------
.net               1,232,902    1,548,575    2,164,815  616,240
.com               3,323,647    3,965,417    4,501,039  535,622
.edu               2,114,851    2,654,129    2,942,714  288,585
USA-dom              432,727      587,175      825,048  237,873
Japan                496,427      734,406      955,688  221,282
Australia            397,460      514,760      707,611  192,851
Germany              548,168      721,847      875,631  153,784
.org                 327,148      313,204      434,654  121,450
UK                   579,492      764,000      878,215  114,215
Canada               424,356      603,325      690,316   86,991
Netherlands          214,704      270,521      341,560   71,039
Korea                 47,973       66,262      132,370   66,108
Italy                113,776      149,595      211,966   62,371
Sweden               186,312      232,955      284,478   51,523
France               189,786      245,501      292,096   46,595
New Zealand           77,886      113,900      155,678   41,778
Norway               120,780      171,686      209,034   37,348
Russian Fed. (RU)     32,022       50,097       81,104   31,007
Denmark               76,955      106,476      137,008   30,532
Belgium               43,311       64,607       86,117   21,510
Russia                13,601       19,094       38,363   19,269
Switzerland          102,691      129,114      148,028   18,914
South Africa          83,349       99,284      117,475   18,191
Poland                38,432       54,455       70,500   16,045
Malaysia               8,541       25,200       40,533   15,333
Spain                 62,447      110,041      121,823   11,782
Singapore             38,376       49,700       60,674   10,974

N.B. - these counts are country or global (e.g., .com)
top level DOMAINS.  Total COUNTRY counts consist of the
country domain counts PLUS any .com, .net, .org, .mil
or .int global top level domains that may also be located 
in the country.  In the past, about 80% of these top level 
domains have been in the USA.  Consult Quarterman for 
complete country totals.


----------------------------------------------------------------
              Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1996-97
                (in relative annualized percentages)
                                                         Annual
                   31-Jul-96    31-Jan-97    31-Jul-97  Increase
                    ---------    ---------    ---------  -------
Papua New Guinea                        1           79   15600%
Tonga                      3            7          417   13800%
Cote d'Ivoire              4          202          248    6100%
Qatar                      6           21          365    5983%
Burkina Faso               1            1           48    4700%
Ghana                      6          203          275    4483%
Netherlands Antilles       2           46           84    4100%
Tanzania                                3           62    3933%
Guadeloupe                              7          127    3429%
Lesotho                                 1           16    3000%
Mali                       1           15           29    2800%
Guyana                     3           52           57    1800%
Botswana                               24          238    1783%
Angola                     1            2           18    1700%
Niger                      2            5           34    1600%
Moldova                   10           97          168    1580%
Cuba                       4           15           67    1575%
Burundi                                 1            8    1400%
Zaire                                   1            8    1400%
Saint Kitts and Nevis                   2           12    1000%
Congo                                   1            6    1000%
French Polynesia                       25          147     976%
Honduras                  86          408          590     586%
Trinidad and Tobago       66          141          423     541%
Zimbabwe                  45          176          272     504%
Senegal                   46           69          275     498%
Guatemala                159          274          882     455%
Isle of Man                             6           19     433%
Swaziland                 49          226          240     390%
Malaysia               8,541       25,200       40,533     375%
El Salvador               43          226          200     365%
Macedonia                 94          284          429     356%
Azerbaijan                18            6           81     350%
Mauritius                 47          122          211     349%
Belarus                  103          255          451     338%
United Arab Emirates     469        1,802        1,994     325%
Guernsey                                5           13     320%
Namibia                   84          262          350     317%
Vanuatu                    8            7           32     300%
Bahrain                  236          841          896     280%
Saint Lucia               20           21           74     270%
Liechtenstein            134          213          479     257%
Bolivia                  154          430          538     249%
Kenya                    133          273          457     244%
Norfolk Island                         73          160     238%
Vatican                    3            5           10     233%
Virgin Islands (US)       11           18           35     218%
Armenia                  105          175          332     216%
Lebanon                  359                     1,128     214%
New Caledonia             19           23           59     211%
Belize                     8           12           24     200%
Greenland                140          215          417     198%
Turkey                 7,743       13,194       22,963     197%
Peru                   2,269        5,192        6,510     187%
Russia                13,601       19,094       38,363     182%
Paraguay                  85          187          239     181%
Venezuela              1,679        2,417        4,679     179%
Zambia                    92          173          255     177%
Korea                 47,973       66,262      132,370     176%
Nepal                     60           60          165     175%
Croatia                2,480        4,883        6,705     170%
San Marino               277          457          734     165%
Sri Lanka                234          349          611     161%
Nicaragua                285          531          743     161%
Monaco                    99          219          258     161%
Russian Fed. (RU)     32,022       50,097       81,104     153%
Morocco                  351          477          888     153%
Georgia                  119          210          298     150%
Pakistan                 386          511          959     148%
Bulgaria               2,254        3,653        5,515     145%
Ukraine                4,499        6,966       10,513     134%
Egypt                    817        1,615        1,894     132%
Gibraltar                 60           78          138     130%
Dominica                  27           55           62     130%
China                 11,282       19,739       25,594     127%
Barbados                   9           21           20     122%
India                  2,176        3,138        4,794     120%
Romania                2,725        8,205        5,998     120%
Jordan                    79          140          170     115%
Cyprus                   919        1,481        1,973     115%
Maldives                               33           51     109%
Kazakhstan               545          807        1,136     108%
Lithuania              1,335        1,775        2,761     107%
Uzbekistan                74          122          153     107%
Indonesia              5,262        9,591       10,861     106%
Argentina              9,415       12,688       18,985     102%
Hong Kong             24,133       49,162       48,660     102%
Thailand               6,362        9,245       12,794     101%
Nigeria                                 4            6     100%
New Zealand           77,886      113,900      155,678     100%

---------------------------------------------------------------
Country or Territory Hosts First Appearing Jul 1997

American Samoa
Bhutan
Buinea-Bissau
Cambodia
Cameroon
Cape Verde
East Timor
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Grenada
Kyrgyzstan
Libya
Marshall Islands
Martinique
Montserrat
Myanmar
Niue
Palau
Pitcairn
Rwanda
Samoa
Seychelles
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Sudan
Turkmenistan
Turks and Caicos Islands
Virgin Islands (British)


From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu  Wed Aug 27 11:47:14 1997
From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Viewing software for tif files. -Reply
Message-ID: 

I'd suggest not just looking for viewing/printing software, but
also looking for other/better scanner software.  Some
produces .bmp only, some .tif only, some allows a multitude
of output formats (i.e. the conversion is built in).

Depending on the best solution for you, it MAY be much
easier/cheaper/simpler to implement this type of alternative.

dan


Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator
Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA
voice: 208-385-1235   fax:  208-385-1394
dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu     OR    alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu
Cyclops' Internet Toolbox:    http://cyclops.idbsu.edu
"How can one fool make another wise?"   Kansas, 1979.

From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU  Wed Aug 27 12:10:15 1997
From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: [FYI] New Global Internet Statistics - Strategic Note
References: <3.0.3.32.19970827114315.002b7380@nlc-bnc.ca>
Message-ID: <34045167.64225D9D@morrisville.edu>

There is a very bad typo in one of the URLs.

The file nam for thehtml stuff is trends-html.zip  not html.zip.
Terry Kuny wrote:
> 
> ================================================================
> Biannual Strategic Note                               26 Aug 1997
> 
>   INTERNET SURVEY REACHES 19.5 MILLION INTERNET HOST LEVEL
>               GROWTH TREND NOW APPEARS LINEAR
> 
> Very attractive new graphic presentations of all these values
> and trends can be found at several locations including:
> 
>   PowerPoint 97
>   PowerPoint 95
>    PowerPoint v4
>        HTML
> 
> *******************************************************************
> * This analysis and material is made available to the Internet    *
> * community. The material may be copied and distributed providing *
> * attribution is given to the sources.                            *
> *******************************************************************
> 
> Tony Rutkowski
> Herndon VA 22071
> USA
> tel: +1.703.437.9236
> fax: +1.703.471.0596
> 
> =================================================================
>              Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1997
>                       (in absolute numbers)
>                                                         6 month
>                    31-Jul-96    31-Jan-97    31-Jul-97  Increase
>                    ---------    ---------    ---------  --------
> .net               1,232,902    1,548,575    2,164,815  616,240
> .com               3,323,647    3,965,417    4,501,039  535,622
> .edu               2,114,851    2,654,129    2,942,714  288,585
> USA-dom              432,727      587,175      825,048  237,873
> Japan                496,427      734,406      955,688  221,282
> Australia            397,460      514,760      707,611  192,851
> Germany              548,168      721,847      875,631  153,784
> .org                 327,148      313,204      434,654  121,450
> UK                   579,492      764,000      878,215  114,215
> Canada               424,356      603,325      690,316   86,991
> Netherlands          214,704      270,521      341,560   71,039
> Korea                 47,973       66,262      132,370   66,108
> Italy                113,776      149,595      211,966   62,371
> Sweden               186,312      232,955      284,478   51,523
> France               189,786      245,501      292,096   46,595
> New Zealand           77,886      113,900      155,678   41,778
> Norway               120,780      171,686      209,034   37,348
> Russian Fed. (RU)     32,022       50,097       81,104   31,007
> Denmark               76,955      106,476      137,008   30,532
> Belgium               43,311       64,607       86,117   21,510
> Russia                13,601       19,094       38,363   19,269
> Switzerland          102,691      129,114      148,028   18,914
> South Africa          83,349       99,284      117,475   18,191
> Poland                38,432       54,455       70,500   16,045
> Malaysia               8,541       25,200       40,533   15,333
> Spain                 62,447      110,041      121,823   11,782
> Singapore             38,376       49,700       60,674   10,974
> 
> N.B. - these counts are country or global (e.g., .com)
> top level DOMAINS.  Total COUNTRY counts consist of the
> country domain counts PLUS any .com, .net, .org, .mil
> or .int global top level domains that may also be located
> in the country.  In the past, about 80% of these top level
> domains have been in the USA.  Consult Quarterman for
> complete country totals.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>               Fastest Growing Internet Domains in 1996-97
>                 (in relative annualized percentages)
>                                                          Annual
>                    31-Jul-96    31-Jan-97    31-Jul-97  Increase
>                     ---------    ---------    ---------  -------
> Papua New Guinea                        1           79   15600%
> Tonga                      3            7          417   13800%
> Cote d'Ivoire              4          202          248    6100%
> Qatar                      6           21          365    5983%
> Burkina Faso               1            1           48    4700%
> Ghana                      6          203          275    4483%
> Netherlands Antilles       2           46           84    4100%
> Tanzania                                3           62    3933%
> Guadeloupe                              7          127    3429%
> Lesotho                                 1           16    3000%
> Mali                       1           15           29    2800%
> Guyana                     3           52           57    1800%
> Botswana                               24          238    1783%
> Angola                     1            2           18    1700%
> Niger                      2            5           34    1600%
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> Cuba                       4           15           67    1575%
> Burundi                                 1            8    1400%
> Zaire                                   1            8    1400%
> Saint Kitts and Nevis                   2           12    1000%
> Congo                                   1            6    1000%
> French Polynesia                       25          147     976%
> Honduras                  86          408          590     586%
> Trinidad and Tobago       66          141          423     541%
> Zimbabwe                  45          176          272     504%
> Senegal                   46           69          275     498%
> Guatemala                159          274          882     455%
> Isle of Man                             6           19     433%
> Swaziland                 49          226          240     390%
> Malaysia               8,541       25,200       40,533     375%
> El Salvador               43          226          200     365%
> Macedonia                 94          284          429     356%
> Azerbaijan                18            6           81     350%
> Mauritius                 47          122          211     349%
> Belarus                  103          255          451     338%
> United Arab Emirates     469        1,802        1,994     325%
> Guernsey                                5           13     320%
> Namibia                   84          262          350     317%
> Vanuatu                    8            7           32     300%
> Bahrain                  236          841          896     280%
> Saint Lucia               20           21           74     270%
> Liechtenstein            134          213          479     257%
> Bolivia                  154          430          538     249%
> Kenya                    133          273          457     244%
> Norfolk Island                         73          160     238%
> Vatican                    3            5           10     233%
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> Lebanon                  359                     1,128     214%
> New Caledonia             19           23           59     211%
> Belize                     8           12           24     200%
> Greenland                140          215          417     198%
> Turkey                 7,743       13,194       22,963     197%
> Peru                   2,269        5,192        6,510     187%
> Russia                13,601       19,094       38,363     182%
> Paraguay                  85          187          239     181%
> Venezuela              1,679        2,417        4,679     179%
> Zambia                    92          173          255     177%
> Korea                 47,973       66,262      132,370     176%
> Nepal                     60           60          165     175%
> Croatia                2,480        4,883        6,705     170%
> San Marino               277          457          734     165%
> Sri Lanka                234          349          611     161%
> Nicaragua                285          531          743     161%
> Monaco                    99          219          258     161%
> Russian Fed. (RU)     32,022       50,097       81,104     153%
> Morocco                  351          477          888     153%
> Georgia                  119          210          298     150%
> Pakistan                 386          511          959     148%
> Bulgaria               2,254        3,653        5,515     145%
> Ukraine                4,499        6,966       10,513     134%
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> Dominica                  27           55           62     130%
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> Romania                2,725        8,205        5,998     120%
> Jordan                    79          140          170     115%
> Cyprus                   919        1,481        1,973     115%
> Maldives                               33           51     109%
> Kazakhstan               545          807        1,136     108%
> Lithuania              1,335        1,775        2,761     107%
> Uzbekistan                74          122          153     107%
> Indonesia              5,262        9,591       10,861     106%
> Argentina              9,415       12,688       18,985     102%
> Hong Kong             24,133       49,162       48,660     102%
> Thailand               6,362        9,245       12,794     101%
> Nigeria                                 4            6     100%
> New Zealand           77,886      113,900      155,678     100%
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Country or Territory Hosts First Appearing Jul 1997
> 
> American Samoa
> Bhutan
> Buinea-Bissau
> Cambodia
> Cameroon
> Cape Verde
> East Timor
> Equatorial Guinea
> Eritrea
> Grenada
> Kyrgyzstan
> Libya
> Marshall Islands
> Martinique
> Montserrat
> Myanmar
> Niue
> Palau
> Pitcairn
> Rwanda
> Samoa
> Seychelles
> St. Vincent and the Grenadines
> Sudan
> Turkmenistan
> Turks and Caicos Islands
> Virgin Islands (British)

--
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Reference)
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E-mail: DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU
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Information Today.
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to agriculture on the net.
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set of library pages
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From JLEVINE at ogh.on.ca  Wed Aug 27 13:16:59 1997
From: JLEVINE at ogh.on.ca (Judy Levine)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Webmaster hours
Message-ID: <97Aug27.123032edt.18437@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca>

We are trying to find out, on average, how many hours per
week are spent on Webmaster work. We are particularly
interested in Webmasters who work in hospitals but we'd
also like to hear from those who are in academic libraries as
well.
At our institution (www.ogh.on.ca), the Webmaster role is
shared by library staff, with very few hours to devote to it. We
are responsible for most everything on the hospital web site
except server maintenance, which is done by a computer
techie (or is it tekkie?).
I am assuming that there will be some hospitals out there
who have someone who is responsible for the web site and
for little else, but I suspect they are few and far between -
academic libraries are another story.
I can summarize the responses I receive and post to the list,
if there is interest. I am also going to have a look at
Webmaster job descriptions, but I am more interested n
hearing from real people.
TIA
Judy Levine, Librarian
Ottawa General Hospital Library
501 Smyth Road, Ottawa ON   Canada   K1H 8L6
(613) 737-8530   Fax (613) 737-8521
jlevine@ogh.on.ca

You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the
tracks
From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu  Wed Aug 27 12:37:32 1997
From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Another privacy/filter angle...more food for thought
Message-ID: 

The following from the source indicated in header below.  This
is a freebie daily "magazine" that comes in email.  And of
course their web site is indicated too.  Personally, I was
aware that the filter products didn't do much, if anything, to
keep people of any age from submitting private info.  And,
personally, I don't have any problem with people gathering
marketing info on me and mine, as it happens everyplace
else in your life (grocery, dept store, mail order, junk mail,
etc.) and my life is an open book anyway.  

Regardless of my beliefs and practices, the info in this could
be useful to many.  So, here it is, extracted and unedited
except for advertising removal.

dan

Subject: New Product Gossip of the Day [8/26/97]
Author:  gossip@tipworld.com at Internet
Date:    8/27/97 7:28 AM

TipWorld - http://www.tipworld.com
The Internet's #1 Source for Computer Tips, News, and
Gossip

Proudly presents:
Don Crabb: Crustacean-at-Large
---------------------------------------------- 
And now for today's gossip...

PROTECTING THE LITTLE CRUSTACEANS

When it comes to your kids using the Internet, you probably 
feel pretty safe if you've installed SurfWatch, Cyber Patrol, 
Cybersitter, Net Nanny, or other software that attempts to 
prevent your kids from navigating to unacceptable sites.
Crusty knows he feels his young claws are protected, at least
a bit, by these wares. This type of software, which blocks out
known  pornographic, profane, and violent sites, works by
restricting the URLs that your Web browser can access.

Unfortunately, though these products work, they can be
easily circumvented, both by your kids and by sites that play
on their natural curiosity. Even with the automatic site
updates that come with many of these programs, the simple
truth is that if your kids know anything about how your home
computer works (and trust me, they probably know much
more than you do), they can work around the site blockers.

Still, such software does help mom and dad when they aren't 
there to actively protect the kids. But what about your family's
privacy on the Net? Have you thought about that lately? Your
watery wayfarer guesses that you have not. Consider this
fairly benign scenario: Your kids have navigated to their
favorite spot on the Web--say a site that offers tons of info on 
dinosaurs. So far so good. No violence, no profanity, no 
pornography. Just good old' clean fun with T. Rex and his
pals.

About 30 minutes into the session, a pop-up form suddenly 
appears on the browser, generated by the dinosaur Web site 
(which, unbeknownst to you and your kids, is sponsored by
The Big Toy Company, or TBTC). The form asks your kids
some innocent questions about their favorite kinds of
dinosaurs, their favorite toys, that sort of thing. Still, no red
flags yet. Then the form asks for their names so they can get
personalized dino Web pages in the future. Still, nothing
seems out of order.

The problem is, your kids just gave TBTC a critical piece of 
data that can be matched up with other records (your ISP,
your site usage patterns, and so on). With this new
information, TBTC can further match your Web records with
the marketing information it buys from credit bureaus (like
TransUnion and Experian), direct marketers, and other large
vendors. By collating this material, TBTC can target your kids
for "special promotions"--either on the Web or via direct
mail--putting serious pressure on you to buy whatever it is
TBTC is trying to sell to your dinosaur-crazed kids.

Besides the obvious--telling your kids never to put personal 
information into a Web form--what can you do to prevent this?
Well, you might think your blocking software affords some 
privacy protection. Don't count on it. Both Net Nanny and
Cyber Patrol can be defeated by Crusty's five-year-old
(admittedly computer-savvy) tester. And though Cybersitter
can effectively block your kids from sending some personal
info via the Net, with a very small amount of ingenuity on their
part, those blocks can be run around as well.

As things currently stand, your best hope turns out to be your
most basic--sit down with your kids and explain why giving
out personal information over the Web can hurt them and the 
family. Then spend some quality surf time with them so that 
when Web sites or other Net software asks for personal data,
you can demonstrate how to maintain privacy.

As one concerned parent told Crusty, "I never realized just
how vulnerable we were until I spent half a day with my kids
surfing the Web."

****
The Crusty One's opinions are his own, and do not
necessarily 
reflect those of TipWorld's Editors, PC WORLD 
Communications, Inc. or IDG Communications, Inc. 



From d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk  Wed Aug 27 12:58:09 1997
From: d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk (David R. Newman)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Organizational chart
Message-ID: 

Since this is really a line drawing plus some text, how about using 
Macromedia Shockware Flash (http://www.macromedia.com) to do the drawing? 
Then people with the right plug-in just download the vector drawing 
instructions, rather than a large GIF.

After that, you add a few extra frames to make it an animated 
organizational chart, showing the workflow for different library 
procedures (which typically snake all around the organization) as growing 
coloured lines.
----------------------
Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Belfast,
School of Managment, Information Management Division,
BELFAST BT7 1NN, UK Tel. +44-1232-335011 FAX +44-1232-249881
http://www.qub.ac.uk/mgt/ mailto:d.r.newman@qub.ac.uk


From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu  Wed Aug 27 14:02:41 1997
From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms... -Reply
Message-ID: 

We're working on getting the forms (currently on a draft page
on our intranet, not visible outside of library) to do that.  But,
we aren't there yet, and none of us are very CGI/Perl/etc
experienced. We will be getting the content put directly into
Access97, the database that is becoming library and campus
standard.  

Any comments, input, suggestions, URLs, etc, appreciated. 
Hope all will reply to list.  And now I'm off to check the
web4lib pages at Berkeley.


thanks

dan


Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator
Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA
voice: 208-385-1235   fax:  208-385-1394
dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu     OR    alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu
Cyclops' Internet Toolbox:    http://cyclops.idbsu.edu
"How can one fool make another wise?"   Kansas, 1979.

From jana at InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca  Wed Aug 27 16:14:58 1997
From: jana at InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Janice Adlington)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms...
In-Reply-To: <340440A5.ECEB.7553.000@FUND.BROOK.EDU>
Message-ID: 


	Olivet has apparently developed a system which takes input from 
the Web, converts the data into a format similar to the FirstSearch ILL 
input format, and ftp's the data to OCLC's review file.


	I'm wondering whether any other libraries have tried this - and 
whether it's effective as an approach.

					Janice Adlington
					Network Resources Librarian
					Trinity College Library



On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 JKAMINSKI@BROOK.EDU wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> We are currently tweaking our ILL process, (request to finish), attempting to eliminate a LOT of
> paper.  I have finished ill forms, no problem, yet I'd be interested in finding out if anyone has
> ported the user's request directly into MS Access?? Or porting the formed request into another
> DB device...
> 
> Any comments appreciated!
> 
> John C. Kaminski
> Brookings Institution
> 
From gkalinka at ela.alibrary.com  Wed Aug 27 16:22:13 1997
From: gkalinka at ela.alibrary.com (George Kalinka)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Special Filter Problem
Message-ID: <34048C75.6247@ela.alibrary.com>

We are in the process of implimenting Citrix software on our library's
NT server.  This software will allow patrons to dial-in to our LAN and
access our web subscriptions (e.g., InfoTrac Searchbank, OCLC
FirstSearch, etc.) through Internet Explorer (running on our server). 
Does anyone have any suggestions for how we can limit patrons who are
dialing into our network and accessing IE from accessing any sites other
than our web subscriptions?  What we would like to do is limit them to
accessing ONLY the sites that we subscribe to (6 web sites).

George Kalinka
Electronic Resources Specialist
Ela Area Public Library District
Lake Zurich, IL  60047
847-438-3433

http://www.ela.alibrary.com

gkalinka@ela.alibrary.com
From tbabiasz at ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us  Wed Aug 27 16:17:48 1997
From: tbabiasz at ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us (Tracy Babiasz)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Using library card number as Internet login
Message-ID: <34048B6C.18E3@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us>

I apologize for taking so long--I can only plead massive overload! 
However, several of you took the time to offer some advice on using
library card numbers (or other assigned numbers) to open a web browser,
and I'd like to pass along some of your comments.

Comment#1
I know that when I access Cleveland Public Library from off-site I can 
login as a "registered user" by enterining my library card number. 

Comment#2
Our public internet access requires that patrons login using 
their library card number and last name.  After they type in 
that information, our access policy comes up on the screen 
and patrons must either click on "I agree" or "I disagree". 
Clicking on "I agree" sends you into our web browser, which 
starts up at the library's homepage.(We feel we have covered 
our obligation in terms of posting our policy.. whether or 
not folks actually read the policy.. who can say?!)Clicking 
on "I disagree" sends you right back to the Login screen. My 
understanding of how this works: we have a visual basic 
programmer who wrote a (according to him) simple program that 
handles the login information.  We take the file from our HP 
3000 that has all patron records (and other circulation 
information) and load that onto our NT server. (we use the NT 
server to provide internet access) This file contains only 
patron names and id numbers. The login is checked against 
that database. Our catalog and other patron info are on a 
different computer (the HP 3000).  Now, since the database on 
the NT server is not updated the instant a patron receives a 
new card, we do use a dummy login which changes daily. (the 
change in passwords is accomplished thru VB programming as 
well.) He also customized Internet explorer for us; one of 
the things it does is "time-out" patrons after an hour. (that 
may be thru VB programming also) 

Comment#3
To use the Internet, people come to the desk and ask to use it.  If 
they've not used it before at our library, we have them  sign our 
AUP.  That is filed and their record on the computer is marked (if 
they're not a CPL patron we give them a patron number specifically 
for Internet use -- no fines, no borrowing privileges, etc.).  Then 
we pull out a 3 ring binder with each of the computer carrels on it 
(we have 6, they're all very private and not visible from the desk).  
We look to see which machines are open, when the next available time 
slot is, and sign this person in.  We also check out a little card to 
him/her.  The card tracks the "circulation" or popularity of the 
Internet computers, and we ask the patron to put it beside him/her at 
the computer.  Periodically we walk back there and ask people who 
don't have cards to get off and go sign in properly. We keep the sign-in
sheets for a couple of months and have actually tracked some users who
downloaded or tampered with our settings, or who sent harassing email
from our machines.  Those users get privileges revoked for 6 weeks.  The
checking in and checking out of the cards is a good way for me to make
the case to the budget committee that we may need to add computers
because use is rising.  The sign in sheets are useful 
because at a glance I can see what times of day people are most 
heavily packed in (patrons are bumped off after 30 minutes if someone 
else wants to get on and there are no empty machines. )  I'm setting 
up a volunteer help desk, where volunteers can surf the net and help 
patrons with basic Internet questions, and the sign-in sheets let me 
know when the need is greatest for some supervision/help.  

Comment#4
We use both the library card and a password to validate patrons for
library web functions. The password is just part of the patron record.
So, forgetting the password, we're doing what you want. You just need to
be able to read the patron database and return the results to the web.
Here's how we do it. We run both a web server and Perl on our library
catalog box. They run here solely for the purpose of accessing our SQL
database. Our primary web server is on another box. We use Perl to
create the CGI scripts to
access the database. Using pipes, you can run an SQL query using ISQL
and examine the results of the query from the CGI script. The following
is a sample script

$query="select name from patron where barcode=$barcode";
$command="echo '$query' | isql";
open FILE, "$command |";
while () {

---- check results here--------

}

If the script returns a record, I have a match.

If you don't have an SQL database you cant use this method. If you do
have an SQL database, but you cant run Perl and httpd on your database
box, you can use ODBC.

Comment#5
At our library, we do not require proof of a library card in order to
use our public terminals; however, in order to make some stab at usage
stats we have our patrons sign in at the reference desk to use one of
the terminals.  In the sign in book is a copy of our electronic access
policy.  At the top of the sign in sheet is a statement that the
patron's signature indicates that the patron has read and agreed to
follow our policy.  The ref staff then enters the patron's start time
(we do set time limits because we have a limited amount of terminals)
and which terminal they are assigned to.  It sounds labor intensive, but
in reality it is not.  Our regular patrons quickly learned the procedure
and sign in themselves. They even write down which terminal they are
going to.  As far as tracking usage however, it is a really crude
figure.  We can tell how many people have signed up in a given
month,(which increased tenfold in the last four months!), but we can't
tell much else i.e. what applications we utilized, how many URLs were
searched, etc.. I have written to Netscape to see if they have a
"counter" feature in their latest browser, but they don't at this time.
Our system consists on a main library (which has six public Internet
stations and seven staff Internet stations) and four branches which will
each have one public Internet workstation. We purchase two databases
through a library consortium and so far the vendors have left remote
patron authentication up to the indiviual library systems. 
Each of us has a different method for achieving this, one crazier than
the next. One thing I can tell you is you need a lot of tech support in
order to achieve a smooth working system.

Thanks to all of you who responded.  I'm not sure if we'll go this way
or not yet, but I now have some great info with which to get started. 
Once again, the members of this list have been a great help!

Tracy Babiasz, Technology Librarian
Durham County Library
300 N. Roxboro Street
Durham, NC 27701
919-560-0191 (voice)
919-560-0137 (fax)
tbabiasz@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us
***My opinions are mine, all mine, and not those of my employer!***


From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca  Wed Aug 27 18:03:31 1997
From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms... -Reply
Message-ID: 

Dan wrote:

> We're working on getting the forms (currently on a draft page
> on our intranet, not visible outside of library) to do that.  But,
> we aren't there yet, and none of us are very CGI/Perl/etc
> experienced. We will be getting the content put directly into
> Access97, the database that is becoming library and campus
> standard.
>
> Any comments, input, suggestions, URLs, etc, appreciated.
> Hope all will reply to list.  And now I'm off to check the
> web4lib pages at Berkeley.
>

Most of the solutions to this involve CGI apps that communicate with Access
or other databases via ODBC.  If you're running your server on NT there are
template based products like Cold Fusion (http://www.allaire.com/) that
help you avoid programming--apart from SQL.

If you need more flexibility than this you can use Perl, Visual Basic,
C/C++, Java etc. to work with ODBC data sources.

I use Perl on NT in conjunction with the Win32::ODBC module.
(http://www.roth.net/odbc/)

If you're running a Mac server you can use Tango
(http://www.everyware.com/products/tango/) as a gateway to FileMaker
databases and ODBC data sources (including Access).  Tango also runs on
some Unix platforms.

On Unix, in addition to Tango, there's also Perl DBI and probably many
other products I'm not aware of.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ellis
Computer Services Technician            Phone: 604.231.6410
Richmond Public Library                 Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca
Richmond, British Columbia
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca  Wed Aug 27 19:06:34 1997
From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Special Filter Problem
Message-ID: 

George,

I'm facing the same problem.  However, your question just caused a
lightbulb to appear over my head.

If you want to limit all your WinFrame users to a few sites, disable DNS
lookups on the server and force it to resolve names through the HOSTS file
(\WINFRAME\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC\HOSTS). The file would only contain
name->address mappings for the servers you wish to permit access to.
Patrons could still access other servers, but they'd need to know IP
addresses to get anywhere. (I'm sure somebody out there is saying "Well,
Duh!")

I've just tried this on NT workstation and it works as expected.   A proxy
server would be a better long term solution, but this could be a stop gap.


>We are in the process of implimenting Citrix software on our library's
>NT server.  This software will allow patrons to dial-in to our LAN and
>access our web subscriptions (e.g., InfoTrac Searchbank, OCLC
>FirstSearch, etc.) through Internet Explorer (running on our server).
>Does anyone have any suggestions for how we can limit patrons who are
>dialing into our network and accessing IE from accessing any sites other
>than our web subscriptions?  What we would like to do is limit them to
>accessing ONLY the sites that we subscribe to (6 web sites).
>
>George Kalinka
>Electronic Resources Specialist
>Ela Area Public Library District
>Lake Zurich, IL  60047
>847-438-3433
>
>http://www.ela.alibrary.com
>
>gkalinka@ela.alibrary.com

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ellis
Computer Services Technician            Phone: 604.231.6410
Richmond Public Library                 Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca
Richmond, British Columbia
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


From bennettt at am.appstate.edu  Wed Aug 27 18:34:02 1997
From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Special Filter Problem
References: <34048C75.6247@ela.alibrary.com>
Message-ID: <3404AB5A.C1F27D2@am.appstate.edu>

>From yesterday's mailing, this should give you exactly what you need.

Thomas


Subject:
        cheap and filter free way of resticting access
   Date:
        Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:03:56 -0700
   From:
        "Glen Davies" 
     To:
        Multiple recipients of list 

George Kalinka wrote:

> We are in the process of implimenting Citrix software on our library's
>
> NT server.  This software will allow patrons to dial-in to our LAN and
>
> access our web subscriptions (e.g., InfoTrac Searchbank, OCLC
> FirstSearch, etc.) through Internet Explorer (running on our server).
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how we can limit patrons who are
> dialing into our network and accessing IE from accessing any sites
> other
> than our web subscriptions?  What we would like to do is limit them to
>
> accessing ONLY the sites that we subscribe to (6 web sites).
>
> George Kalinka
> Electronic Resources Specialist
> Ela Area Public Library District
> Lake Zurich, IL  60047
> 847-438-3433
>
> http://www.ela.alibrary.com
>
> gkalinka@ela.alibrary.com



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;/*  Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett   Appalachian State University   */
;/*  bennettt@am.appstate.edu        Belk Library                   */
;/*  bennetttm@appstate.edu          Systems And Automation Team    */
;/*  bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu   Computer Consultant II         */
;/*  Office: 704 262 2795            Cellular: 704 266 3743         */
;/*  http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu                          */
;/*                                                                 */
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

If it works, don't fix it!


From bennettt at am.appstate.edu  Wed Aug 27 18:54:05 1997
From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms... -Reply
References: 
Message-ID: <3404B00C.FBA39B53@am.appstate.edu>

Below is documentation that I used succesfully to password a Web page on
a local server.  The server was NCSA compatible, the win 3.1
predecessor(HTTPD) to O'Rielly's W95 server.

Simple protection by password
This document  is only accessible to user fido with password bones.
1) Create a text file named #haccess.ctl  in the directory that contains
the document  to be secure.
2) Contents of the textfile:

AuthUserFile c:/httpd/conf/authusr.pwd
AuthGroupFile c:/httpd/conf/empty.pwd
AuthName Example
AuthType Basic


require user fido


3)The password file authusr.pwd has to be created in the c:/httpd/conf/
directory using password software that should have come with your web
server I expect.

The passwordonly needs to be used once in a session .  The browser has
to be exited to reset the need of using a password.

Thomas Bennett


Dan Lester wrote:

> We're working on getting the forms (currently on a draft page
> on our intranet, not visible outside of library) to do that.  But,
> we aren't there yet, and none of us are very CGI/Perl/etc
> experienced. We will be getting the content put directly into
> Access97, the database that is becoming library and campus
> standard.
>
> Any comments, input, suggestions, URLs, etc, appreciated.
> Hope all will reply to list.  And now I'm off to check the
> web4lib pages at Berkeley.
>
> thanks
>
> dan
>
> Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator
> Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA
> voice: 208-385-1235   fax:  208-385-1394
> dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu     OR    alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu
> Cyclops' Internet Toolbox:    http://cyclops.idbsu.edu
> "How can one fool make another wise?"   Kansas, 1979.



--
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
;/*                                                                 */
;/*  Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett   Appalachian State University   */
;/*  bennettt@am.appstate.edu        Belk Library                   */
;/*  bennetttm@appstate.edu          Systems And Automation Team    */
;/*  bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu   Computer Consultant II         */
;/*  Office: 704 262 2795            Cellular: 704 266 3743         */
;/*  http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu                          */
;/*                                                                 */
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

If it works, don't fix it!


From bennettt at am.appstate.edu  Wed Aug 27 19:26:41 1997
From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms... -Reply
References: 
Message-ID: <3404B7B1.C766080A@am.appstate.edu>

It appears I may have misunderstood what you are asking about.  You may
want to check Symantec's dbaweval.exe(http://www.symantec.com ), a web
database product and Net Dynamics I think is on Netscapes site.  I have
both eval products but haven't had a chance to test them yet.

Thomas

Dan Lester wrote:

> We're working on getting the forms (currently on a draft page
> Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator
> Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA
> voice: 208-385-1235   fax:  208-385-1394
> dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu     OR    alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu
> Cyclops' Internet Toolbox:    http://cyclops.idbsu.edu
> "How can one fool make another wise?"   Kansas, 1979.

  --
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
;/*                                                                 */
;/*  Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett   Appalachian State University   */
;/*  bennettt@am.appstate.edu        Belk Library                   */
;/*  bennetttm@appstate.edu          Systems And Automation Team    */
;/*  bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu   Computer Consultant II         */
;/*  Office: 704 262 2795            Cellular: 704 266 3743         */
;/*  http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu                          */
;/*                                                                 */
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

If it works, don't fix it!


From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca  Wed Aug 27 20:32:58 1997
From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:50 2005
Subject: Special Filter Problem
Message-ID: 

Unfortunately, Glen Davies' clever solution won't work on NT/WinFrame
because it depends on IKIOSK to secure Netscape's configuration.  IKIOSK is
not yet available for NT. (soon I'm told though)

>>From yesterday's mailing, this should give you exactly what you need.
>
>Thomas
>
>
>Subject:
>        cheap and filter free way of resticting access
>   Date:
>        Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:03:56 -0700
>   From:
>        "Glen Davies" 
>     To:
>        Multiple recipients of list 
>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ellis
Computer Services Technician            Phone: 604.231.6410
Richmond Public Library                 Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca
Richmond, British Columbia
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


From scottp at moondog.usask.ca  Thu Aug 28 09:36:53 1997
From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Mecklermedia's Webdeveloper.com Web Site Adds Free Forums
Message-ID: 

"Mecklermedia's WebDeveloper.com  (Nasdaq:
MECK) has just launched over a dozen free threaded discussion forums for
Web designers, developers, and programmers using eShare Technologies
 Expressions Chat Server client. The /dev/talk
forums require no plug-ins or special software and are instantly available
to anyone with a Web browser."


From garyn at acs.oakton.edu  Thu Aug 28 10:51:28 1997
From: garyn at acs.oakton.edu (Gary Newhouse)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: nul proxy and cheap filters
Message-ID: <34059070.3CDFBB1B@acs.oakton.edu>

I am trying to configure a proxy set-up and run into a problem entering
domains in the no proxy for box.  It seems no matter how i key them,
some of the no proxy for domains will not hit.  Is there a limit tothe
number of domaines that can be entered there?  is the syntax
xxx.xxx.edu,xxx.xxx.org,xxx.xxx.net  or should there be a space between
the domains?

Ultimately I hope to use this to set up a nul proxy server and allow
access to only a limited number of URLs from a few specialized access
library "card-catalog" stations the library.  This idea originated with
Glen Davis on the Web4lib listserv (thanks Glen) and I need some
refinements.

From DZP at library.sannet.gov  Thu Aug 28 04:06:44 1997
From: DZP at library.sannet.gov (Dianne L Parham)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Brock Meeks - New Article
Message-ID: 

  From another list...may be of interest here.
  Dianne Parham San Diego Public Library, dzp@jill.sannet.gov
  **************************************************************
  From: Karen G. Schneider 
  To: Multiple recipients of list 
  Subject: [PUBLIB:4919] Brock Meeks praises Canton PL, ALA

  http://www.msnbc.com/news/105923.asp

  Brock Meeks of MSNBC today posted a very interesting column in which he
  praised Canton Public Library, MI, for its Cyber Kids program, gave the nod
  to ALA for its guidance to parents on its website, and--in a reversal of
  his column last week--warned parents that they should be accountable for
  their children's behavior.  Right on, Canton PL and ALA!  (Didn't a
  PUBLIBer play a role in some of the material on ALA's website?)

  He also cited TIFAP, The Internet Filter Assessment Project, for its
  involvement in identifying problems related to filters.

  Overall, it was a refreshing column and a satisfying read!

  ______________________________________________
  Karen G. Schneider |  kgs@bluehighways.com
  Director, US EPA Region 2 Library  |  Contractor, GCI
  Councilor-at-Large, American Library Association
  The Internet Filter Assessment Project:
   http://www.bluehighways.com/tifap/
  Author, Forthcoming: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters
  (Neal Schuman, 1997)
  Information is hard work  -------------------------------------------

From mitcheu at alvernia.edu  Thu Aug 28 14:25:49 1997
From: mitcheu at alvernia.edu (Eugene Mitchell)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: MIME Conversion Warning
Message-ID: 

Colleagues:

We have been experiencing a MIME problem which has been 
bothersome but does not appear to be causing serious problems.  
Enough people keep complaining to me as Web Master, however, that I 
now wish I can just make it go away.  You folks are so good I know 
there is someone out there who can help me.

Our Web site is hosted by a private vendor.  We have the capability of 
receiving e-messages such as electronic applications, information 
requests, etc.  Every time someone sends us a message, here is what 
happens:

Say someone has sent me an information request.  When I am 
downloading my mail, as the system gets to the request, I receive a 
message which reads:

MIME Conversion Warning:
The address: "mitcheu@alvernia.edu." has failed to parse properly.  It 
will be ignored which may cause side effects.

I click through this message twice and then I get the following message:

MIME Conversion Warning:
The address: "WebForm Mailer@barnes" has failed to parse properly.  It 
will be ignored which may cause side effects.

I click through this one twice and then the system goes on with no 
problems.  I receive the messages, can print them, etc.

How can I make this stop?

==========
Eugene S. Mitchell
Director of Library Services
Alvernia College
Reading, PA 19607-1799
Voice: 610-796-8351
Fax: 610-796-8347
E-mail: mitcheu@alvernia.edu



From hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu  Thu Aug 28 12:25:48 1997
From: hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (laura hudson)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: perl query
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970828162548.00693944@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>

Thanks to all of you who responded  for your help with my perl problem. 

 I hope one day I will be good enough at this to reciprocate.

Turns out I had put an "=" where I should 've put an "eq."  and a
($in{'user_inst'}) where I should have had a $user_inst.  

Laura Hudson
Alden Library Reference Department
Ohio University Libraries

From x0463755 at dlemail.itg.ti.com  Thu Aug 28 13:13:46 1997
From: x0463755 at dlemail.itg.ti.com (Libby Whitcomb)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Criteria what makes a good Website?
Message-ID: <01BCB3AB.D666EBA0@csmn7202.corp.ti.com>

Hi
 I am looking for articles/ Websites that contain criteria
 about what makes a Web site effective? Either from a
 developers standpoint or the person who views the web site. 
I need documentation that I can show others about what factors 
make a Web site effective.  Are there standards similar to how a
 librarian evaluates a book source?
 I would appreciate any help on this question. Thank you,
I receive Web4Lib in digest format so I would appreciate direct
e-mail responses. 
Thank you,

Libby Whitcomb
Corporate Services-Information Technology Team
libby@ti.com
972-997-5277



From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us  Thu Aug 28 13:32:15 1997
From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: RE Web Based Ill Forms... -Reply
Message-ID: <3405B61F.9006E601@opac.osl.state.or.us>

> From: Dan Lester 
> We're working on getting the forms (currently on a draft page
> on our intranet, not visible outside of library) to do that.  But,
> we aren't there yet, and none of us are very CGI/Perl/etc
> experienced. We will be getting the content put directly into
> Access97, the database that is becoming library and campus
> standard.  
> 
> Any comments, input, suggestions, URLs, etc, appreciated. 
> Hope all will reply to list.  And now I'm off to check the
> web4lib pages at Berkeley.
> 

Dan, et al,

Two suggestions on the topic of no-brainer data capture and processing
via Web interface...

***1) Take a look at Microrim's SUBMIT THIS! product. It's a complete
little datacapture system to set up on a Web server, using a runtime of
good ol' RBase to handle all the data collection & reformatting. 

Comes with a CGI reader for loading onto your server, and a whole bunch
of input form/templates, for various purposes and in various styles.
Handy for adaptation by the HTML-challenged. 

All data is collected to a text file on the server. You then FTP it to a
local Win95/NT to use with the Rbase engine. From there, you can process
directly or crossload data to just about any product you wish.

A bit convoluted, but, hey, it's a utility. It offers the advantage of
easy data capture and no-brainer application to many purposes.

Details at 
"Manufacturer's Sugested Retail Price $89.95 
               Street price $65 to $69.95 
               For further information call Elizabeth at 1-800-628-6990
               or E-Mail her at elizabeth@microrim.com"

***2) Claris will shortly (September end) distribute FileMaker Pro 4.0.
It is an upgrade with incremental improvement over 3.0, PLUS it has the
"Web Companion" plug-in. This is essentially a single-purpose Webserver
with direct hooks to FileMaker for both data capture and for database
server purposes. Comes in Win95/NT and Mac flavor. 
   I got a Beta copy on CD last week and shared with a colleague who's
already a FileMaker wizard. (He built the State of Oregon "State Job
Openings" Web-database with FileMaker 2 or 3 about 3 years ago.) Here's
what he sez...
> From: FREESE Michael on Wed, Aug 27, 1997 3:30 PM
> Subject: FileMaker 4 and the Web
> To: SMITH Scott E; PEREZ Ernest R; LUNDEEN Pat P; MAUDLIN Tyler A; JUDY
> William E; DEMARIS Janet
> 
> Thanks to Ernest, I got my hands on an evaluation copy of FileMaker Pro 4.x
> beta. In addition to automatically converting Excel spreadsheets directly
> into FM4 databases (very slick), its web server component works at least as
> well as advertised.
> 
> It's fast.
> 
> I mean, really really fast.
> 
> Serves HTTP natively. Don't know about threading and multiple simultaneous
> connections, but I'd guess it's handled the same way FM handles them. Since
> you're serving data directly to the web instead of through a CGI/API and
> server, there's virtually no latency.
> 
> It's also easy.
> 
> I mean, really really easy.
> 
> There's even a database tool that'll create HTML forms for you. Any web
> pages can contain Claris Dynamic Markup Language (CDML) that tells the web
> component which fields and such to retrieve from the database and insert.
> Same principal as server-side includes (SHTML).
> 
> To see an example, try:
> 
> http://pp6.das.state.or.us/
> 
> That's a guest book running on my own machine. Took about 10 minutes to set up,
> modifying one of the supplied templates.
> 
> --
> Mike Freese
> 

Hope this is of interest.

Cheers,
- ernest
Ernest Perez//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.state.or.us//503-378-4243
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We've all heard that, given enough time, a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true."
From jgomez at umiami.ir.miami.edu  Thu Aug 28 14:17:58 1997
From: jgomez at umiami.ir.miami.edu (jgomez@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Criteria what makes a good Website?
In-Reply-To: <01BCB3AB.D666EBA0@csmn7202.corp.ti.com>
Message-ID: 

Does anyone know about a conference for Computer technicians in a library
environment?

I think it would be very helpful to me to be able to share and gain info
in such a conference!

Thanks in advance!
*******************************************************************************
Juan M. Gomez                          Phone (305)284-4721
University of Miami                      
Otto G. Richter Library                  fax (305)284-3938
Reference Dept.
1300 Memorial Drive                    email jgomez@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Coral Gables, FL 33124
*******************************************************************************

From billt at nist.gov  Thu Aug 28 16:08:02 1997
From: billt at nist.gov (Bill Trefzger)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Criteria what makes a good Website?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970828160801.00bce920@mailserver2.nist.gov>

Libby,
If effective means usable then, here are two sites which discuss this:

http://www.acm.org/sigchi/webhci/chi97testing/particip.htm

http://www-nlpir.nist.gov/~downey/

I think the answer is that the standards are evolving...

Bill

At 10:54 AM 8/28/97 -0700, Libby Whitcomb wrote:
>Hi
> I am looking for articles/ Websites that contain criteria
> about what makes a Web site effective? Either from a
> developers standpoint or the person who views the web site. 
>I need documentation that I can show others about what factors 
>make a Web site effective.  Are there standards similar to how a
> librarian evaluates a book source?
> I would appreciate any help on this question. Thank you,
>I receive Web4Lib in digest format so I would appreciate direct
>e-mail responses. 
>Thank you,
>
>Libby Whitcomb
>Corporate Services-Information Technology Team
>libby@ti.com
>972-997-5277
>
>
>
>
>

              Bill Trefzger             
NIST Electronic Information  phone:(301)975-2146              
     & Publications Program  fax:(301)869-8071
        Bldg 101, Room E106  mailto:billt@nist.gov
     Gaithersburg, MD 20899  http://nvl.nist.gov/
From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz  Thu Aug 28 16:42:43 1997
From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: nul proxy and cheap filters
Message-ID: <8DE9137065@rimu.cce.ac.nz>

Hi

I have it set up with 15  domains in the "no proxy for" box on 
Netscape Navigator Gold  3.01 and it seems to  works fine with or without a 
space after the comma, I also put a hard return after each domain as 
it is easier to manage a  column of domains rather than one long string.
You can also enter in just a part of the domain, ie. I have .nz which 
allows all New Zealand sites, or you could put .edu to allow all 
educational sites. Perhaps your problem lies elsewhere? I take it 
that you can get to the problem domains if you select No Proxies 
instead of Manual Proxy Configuration? Send me a list of the domains 
that you are using if you like and I will try them here. 

Regards
Glen

> I am trying to configure a proxy set-up and run into a problem entering
> domains in the no proxy for box.  It seems no matter how i key them,
> some of the no proxy for domains will not hit.  Is there a limit tothe
> number of domaines that can be entered there?  is the syntax
> xxx.xxx.edu,xxx.xxx.org,xxx.xxx.net  or should there be a space between
> the domains?
> 
> Ultimately I hope to use this to set up a nul proxy server and allow
> access to only a limited number of URLs from a few specialized access
> library "card-catalog" stations the library.  This idea originated with
> Glen Davis on the Web4lib listserv (thanks Glen) and I need some
> refinements.
 
***********************************************************
Glen Davies
Information Technology Librarian
Christchurch College of Education
Christchurch
New Zealand
glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz
64-3-343 7737
************************************************************
"I've been drunk for about a week now, and I though it might
 sober me up to sit in a library" F.Scott Fitzgerald
                                  The Great Gatsby, ch3
************************************************************
From L.Will at willpower.demon.co.uk  Thu Aug 28 14:35:33 1997
From: L.Will at willpower.demon.co.uk (Leonard Will)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: MIME Conversion Warning
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

In article , Eugene Mitchell  writes
>When I am 
>downloading my mail, as the system gets to the request, I receive a 
>message which reads:
>
>MIME Conversion Warning:
>The address: "mitcheu@alvernia.edu." has failed to parse properly.

This address should not end with a dot.

>MIME Conversion Warning:
>The address: "WebForm Mailer@barnes" has failed to parse properly.

This address should not contain a space.

>How can I make this stop?

Find out who or what system is writing incorrectly formed addresses like
these and get them to fix it.

Regards

Leonard Will
-- 
Willpower Information       (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will)
Information Management Consultants                 Tel: +44 181 372 0092
27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex, EN2 7BQ, UK    Fax: +44 181 372 0094
L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk           Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk
------------------ http://www.willpower.demon.co.uk/ -------------------
From walthowe at delphi.com  Fri Aug 29 01:23:14 1997
From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:54 2005
Subject: Criteria what makes a good Website?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970829012314.007afcf0@pop.delphi.com>

At 12:02 PM 8/28/1997 -0700, jgomez@umiami.ir.miami.edu wrote:
>Does anyone know about a conference for Computer technicians in a library
>environment?
>
>I think it would be very helpful to me to be able to share and gain info
>in such a conference!
>
>Thanks in advance!

See the Internet Librarian Conference web site at
http://www.infotoday.com/internet/internet.htm



    Walt  
From Harry_M_Kriz at vt.edu  Fri Aug 29 09:05:08 1997
From: Harry_M_Kriz at vt.edu (Harry M. Kriz)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Web Based Ill Forms...
In-Reply-To: <340440A5.ECEB.7553.000@FUND.BROOK.EDU>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970829090508.00961a80@mail.vt.edu>

Jan Kaminski wrote:

At 07:34 AM 8/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>We are currently tweaking our ILL process, (request to finish), attempting
to eliminate a LOT of
>paper.  I have finished ill forms, no problem, yet I'd be interested in
finding out if anyone has
>ported the user's request directly into MS Access?? Or porting the formed
request into another
>DB device...

ILLiad, Virginia Tech's ILL borrowing system, captures user's input from a
Web form to a SQL Server database. We have eliminated all paper
record-keeping from the borrowing process and we do not key any data into
OCLC ILL workforms. All data on the workform, with the exception of the
OCLC symbols for possible lenders, are transferred programmatically from
the SQL Server database to the OCLC workform. The database includes the
customer's request as well as personal information about the customer.

--Harry Kriz
  Head, ILL

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From bennettt at am.appstate.edu  Fri Aug 29 09:32:05 1997
From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Criteria what makes a good Website?
References: <01BCB3AB.D666EBA0@csmn7202.corp.ti.com>
Message-ID: <3406CF55.E70B466D@am.appstate.edu>

In a recent reply to this list on another topic suggested the supplement
to the July issue of CHOICE magazine(The WEB Issue).   On page 15  is a
label PART III: Evaluation Criteria for Internet Sites.  This may be of
some interest to you.

Thomas

Libby Whitcomb wrote:

> Hi
>  I am looking for articles/ Websites that contain criteria
>  about what makes a Web site effective? Either from a
>  developers standpoint or the person who views the web site.
> I need documentation that I can show others about what factors
> make a Web site effective.  Are there standards similar to how a
>  librarian evaluates a book source?
>  I would appreciate any help on this question. Thank you,
> I receive Web4Lib in digest format so I would appreciate direct
> e-mail responses.
> Thank you,
>
> Libby Whitcomb
> Corporate Services-Information Technology Team
> libby@ti.com
> 972-997-5277



--
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
;/*                                                                 */
;/*  Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett   Appalachian State University   */
;/*  bennettt@am.appstate.edu        Belk Library                   */
;/*  bennetttm@appstate.edu          Systems And Automation Team    */
;/*  bennett@wncln200.lib.unca.edu   Computer Consultant II         */
;/*  Office: 704 262 2795            Cellular: 704 266 3743         */
;/*  http://Whitewolf.library.appstate.edu                          */
;/*                                                                 */
;/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

If it works, don't fix it!


From x0463755 at dlemail.itg.ti.com  Fri Aug 29 09:58:53 1997
From: x0463755 at dlemail.itg.ti.com (Libby Whitcomb)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Summary of What makes a website good
Message-ID: <01BCB459.C71459E0@csmn7202.corp.ti.com>


I would like to thank everyone who so generously sent 
URLs and other resource information about this topic. I 
was truly overwhelmed with the responses. Ya'll are great.
Here is a summary of the sites sent in.  Have a great weekend!!
Thank you everyone!!!

Libby Whitcomb
Corporate Services-Information Technology Team
libby@ti.com
972-997-5277

Here's the list of great resources everyone sent in-

Hope Tillman's "Evaluating Quality on the Net" at 
http://www.tiac.net/users/hope/findqual.html

Web Design for Librarians 
http://scc01.rutgers.edu/SCCHome/web.htm

Yale C/AIM Web Style Guide 
http://info.med.yale.edu/caim/manual/index.html

Why the web sucks, II
 http://www.spies.com/~ceej/Words/rant.web.html

HTML Writers Guild 
 http://www.hwg.org  

Alan Richmonds archives and links to all things HTML and webrelated.
http://www.stars.com/

Sun's Style Guide
http://www.sun.com/styleguide/

Carolyn Caywood's article
Library Selection Criteria for WWW Resources
http://www6.pilot.infi.net/~carolyn/criteria.html

THE SEVEN KEYS TO EFFECTIVE WEB SITES
http://csis.pace.edu/~dsachs/7keys.html

Two sites that discuss the usability of a site
http://www.acm.org/sigchi/webhci/chi97testing/particip.htm
http://www-nlpir.nist.gov/~downey/

ALA's The Librarian's Guide To Cyberspace 
for Parents & Kids gives criteria:
http://www.ssdesign.com/parentspage/greatsites/select.html

Jeff Beck's evaluation of Internet resources
 http://www.wabash.edu/library/libgui/EVAINT.HTM

Web Developer's Virtual Library(lots of information)
 http://www.wdvl.com/

Web Evaluation:  Criteria 
 http://lib.nmsu.edu/staff/susabeck/evalcrit.html
The criteria are accuracy, authority, objectivity, currency, coverage - and includes examples

Evaluation Web Resources 
 http://www.science.widener.edu/~withers/webeval.htm
Provides materials to assist in the teaching of how to evaluate Web resources.  Useful evaluation checklists for Advocacy, Business/Marketing, Informational News, and Personal Web pages.

Evaluation of Information Sources 
  http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~agsmith/evaln/evaln.htm
A Webliography of sites that tell how to evaluate sites.

Evaluating Internet Research Sources  
http://www.sccu.edu/faculty/R_Harris/evalu8it.htm

All Things Web.  (Lots of Info)
http://www.pantos.org/ATW/

Bibliography on evaluating internet resources
http://refserver.lib.vt.edu/libinst/critTHINK.HTM 

WebPagesThat Suck
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com>

Evaluating World Wide Web Information
http://thorplus.lib.purdue.edu/research/classes/gs175/3gs175/evaluation.html

How to Create Web Pages: a Webliography
http://infopeople.berkeley.edu:8000/Howto/htmlnote.html
            
Non Web Resources
 Library Journal 2/15/96, pgs.122-124. 
 Boyd Collins "Beyond Cruising:  Reviewing" article gives tips
for librarians to use in evaluating websites.

Nov/Dec. 1996 issue of Computers in
Libraries by Marsha Tate & Jan Alexander, "Teaching Critical Evaluation
Skills for World Wide Web Resources" (v. 16, no. 10, pp.49-55).  



From stegmann at ukbf.fu-berlin.de  Fri Aug 29 10:51:47 1997
From: stegmann at ukbf.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Stegmann)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: New URL
Message-ID: 

Hi,

the URL of our homepage has changed to

           http://www.medizin.fu-berlin.de/medbib/home.html

It's bilingual (as far as possible).

I made extensive use of Janet Meyers' Library Clipart Collection
http://www.netins.net/showcase/meyers/library_clipart/clipart.html
and would like to express my thanks to Janet.

Regards from Berlin

Johannes

******************************************************************************
|  Dr. Johannes Stegmann          |  Universitaetsklinikum Benjamin Franklin |
|  Freie Universitaet Berlin      |  Medizinische Bibliothek                 |
| stegmann@ukbf.fu-berlin.de      |  Hindenburgdamm 30                       |
|    Phone: +49 30 8445 2035      |  D-12200 Berlin                          |
|    Fax:   +49 30 8445 4454      |  GERMANY                                 |
|          Homepage:   http://www.medizin.fu-berlin.de/medbib/home.html      |
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From Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU  Fri Aug 29 11:25:44 1997
From: Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU (Karen V. Odato)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Mini-Conference: Creative Web-Based Library Education Projects
Message-ID: <29423439@prancer.Dartmouth.EDU>

Cross posted.  Please excuse the duplication.

Dartmouth College's Biomedical Libraries and NEBIC, the bibliographic
instruction committee of ACRL/New England invite you to:

 "Creative Web-Based Library Education Projects: Distance Learning and
Bibliographic Instruction". 

Thursday Oct 23, 1997  9:30 AM - 3:30 PM
Dartmouth College in beautiful Hanover, New Hampshire (an easy 2-hour drive
from Boston, Springfield MA, and many other New England locations)

This day-long event will feature several informal presentations by librarians
who have developed web-based education sites including general orientation,
course-integrated, distance-learning, and bibliographic instruction sites in
many subject fields.  There will be time for discussion after each
presentation.


 9:30 - 10:00  Registration, Continental Breakfast
10:00 - 12:00  Presentations
12:00 - 1:30 Lunch (on your own)
 1:30 - 3:00 Presentations continue
 3:00 - 3:30 Wrap-Up

Please register early to avoid disappointment; deadline is October 13. 
Registration is limited to 60 people.

For more information or to register, please send the following information to
karen.odato@dartmouth.edu :

Name_________________________________________

Address________________________________________

________________________________________________

Phone_________________________________________

Email Address______________________________________


We will confirm your registration by email and send a registration packet
(including directions, parking and accomodations information) via US mail.
From kirkwood at omni.cc.purdue.edu  Fri Aug 29 14:49:20 1997
From: kirkwood at omni.cc.purdue.edu (Hal Kirkwood)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Quality Web sites
In-Reply-To: <9708291627.AA22729@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: 

Here are some more links to useful sites on quality web sites:
http://www.oakton.edu/~wittman/find/eval.htm
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

Hope this helps.

-hal
Purdue University
Management & Economics Library
From stover at ix.netcom.com  Fri Aug 29 17:16:12 1997
From: stover at ix.netcom.com (Mark Stover)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: [COURSE] The Wired Organization: Business Communication and Research in the Age of the Internet, Sept. 27, 1997 - Dec. 27, 1997
Message-ID: <199708292116.QAA00058@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com>

The Organizational Behavior department of Phillips Graduate Institute is
offering a 13 week Web-based course entitled "The Wired Organization:
Business Communication and Research in the Age of the Internet."  All
instruction for this course will take place through the Internet.

For more details go to http://www.pgi.edu/brochure.htm


From dbarclay at Bayou.UH.EDU  Fri Aug 29 17:20:51 1997
From: dbarclay at Bayou.UH.EDU (Donald Barclay)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Popular Notions about the web
Message-ID: 

I'm trying to compile a list of popular notions about the web (or
Internet).  In particular, I'm interested in notions that are spread via
mass media (TV, movies, magazines, etc.). Such notions could be:

False: "All information in the world in on the web." 

Partially true: "If you use the web, people can gather information about
                 you." 

Or entirely true: "You can find photographs of naked people on the
                   web."


The initial list that I brainstormed follows below my signature. Although
I mention the "f" word in this list, my intent is that this mention be
seen as neutral. It is certainly not an attempt by me to start another
round of messages about f***ering. I've divided the list into pro- and
antiweb categories, though maybe there will be some notions that don't
fall into either camp. 

Thanks for any suggestions. If you want, you can respond directly to me
and I will summarize for the entire list.


Donald A. Barclay
Coordinator of Electronic Services    always the beautiful answer
University of Houston Libraries       who asks a more beautiful question
dbarclay@uh.edu                               --e.e. cummings
www.uh.edu/~dbarclay

Popular Notions about the Web (Internet)

Pro Web
You can find anything on the web (if you are a good enough hacker).

The web is the fastest way to find information, and it's a snap to print
or download anything you find.

You can use the web to directly communicate with the leading experts in
any field.

You can use the web to get inside information you can't get anywhere else.

"Somebody" is in charge of the web.

All books, magazines, journals, etc. are either "somewhere" on the web or
will be soon.

The web is always the best place to start looking for information.

The web is the only thing you need to do any research.

If I something is done with a computer in a movie, it can be done in real
life.

You can get rich just by starting a business on the web.

You can search the entire web by typing in a few words (aka the "just
punch it up on the computer" school of information retrieval.)

Searching the web for information doesn't require any thought, nor does
evaluating the information you retrieve.

You can make the web safe for kids by using filtering software.

The web makes libraries (or at least books) obsolete.



Anti-web
The web is nothing but pornography.

The web is full of credit-card and other scams.

If you use the web, people can gather information about you.

You need to be a computer genius to use the web.

The web is nothing but advertisements for big corporations.

The web is a government (or corporate) conspiracy.

The web is populated entirely by crackpots, extremists, deviants, and
children.

Every time you try to use the web, nothing works.

The web is turning us into a bunch of drooling illiterates.

The is no information of any real value on the web.

The web has no place in any library.


From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu  Fri Aug 29 18:43:52 1997
From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Filtering at Ada Community Library, Boise Idaho
Message-ID: 

This is being forwarded from a report to the LIBIDAHO list that
I own.  I gave a partial report on this library's situation to the
list a month or two ago.  The author, Dian Hofpauir, is the
director of Ada Community Library, in Boise.  The library
(ACL) serves the unincorporated areas of the county, outside
of Boise and a couple of smaller towns.  It is tax supported. 
By agreements that have been made that will be implemented
soon, it will be serving over 300,000 people in the greater
Boise area (and their patrons will be able to use Boise Public,
etc, etc.)  The library district, and thus the entire library, are
less than ten years old and have been automated since
opening day.  The collection is excellent.

A few brief insertions in brackets in the following text are my
own to help clarify a few local things for those not in Idaho.

dan
=========

The ACL Board adopted a revised Access to Electronic
Information, Services, and Networks Policy at our
Wednesday, August 20 Board meeting. The events leading
up to this decision may be of interest to some of you.

We have had public Internet access since fall of 1994.  Had a
policy in place since August, '95 that essentially says that
"parents must be responsible for providing guidance to their
own children.  It is not the role of the Library staff to do so." 
Our 3 public Internet computers are in the center of the main
floor, across from the OPAC computers.  You had to walk
past them to get to adult fiction or to the patio.  Those
librarians who feel no one would dare out in public are kidding
themselves.[to some immature persons of all ages displaying
to the public is an extra thrill]  I thought that way until it
started happening.  Last year we turned our computers 180
degrees and installed privacy screens.  Rather than being the
end of it, it was just the beginning.

In April of this year, a father requested we not permit his son
to use the Internet computers unless his parents were
present.  I told him I would not do that without discussing it
with our Library Board.  He then sent a letter in which he said
he was outraged that children could access pornography at
the library and parents had no way to stop it, etc, etc.
We mailed copies of his letter to the Board, put it on the
agenda, and invited him to speak at the next Board meeting.

Rather than waiting for the Board meeting  (we meet
monthly), he asked the Idaho Family Forum for help.  They in
turn contacted the Idaho Citizens Coalition and called a press
conference.  The father spoke, as did Kelly Walton [Director
of both of the above at various times, and author of an
anti-porn constitutional amendment that failed last election],
Dennis Mansfield, and a local minister.  I heard about it 20
minutes before it happened only because a TV reporter called
me and asked if I would be there and could she interview me.

The publicity was considerable.  17 people spoke at our next
Board meeting, including Dr. [Charles} Bolles, [Director of
Idaho State Library] ISL and Jack Van Valkenburg, ACLU. 
We even had TV coverage of our Board meeting.  Comments
were 3-1 against filtering.  However, at the next meeting, over
45 people came that were in favor of filtering.  We received a
phone call earlier in the day asking if this was where the
"pornography meeting was, and where were we located."  My
Board did not make a decision at that meeting because the
U.S. Supreme Court ruling was expected shortly and they
wanted to wait for it.

The above scenario is probably not much different from
stories at many other libraries. The following items
complicated things a wee bit here:

1. We do have a Trustee who is a member of the Idaho
Family Forum and very much wanted to see filters on all of
our computers.  He views privacy screens as enabling.  

2. The father was in almost weekly contact with
KarenJo Gounand (sp?) of Family Friendly Libraries in
Fairfax, VA.  

3. Family Friendly Libraries was debating whether to sue us if
we did not filter, and ACLU would not be very happy with us if
we did filter. 

4. One of my staff wrote a memo to her supervisor about her
concern about sexual harassment at the workplace when she
had to clear objectionable screens left by previous users. 
Interesting problem of hostile work environment/sexual
harassment  vs.  first amendment rights.

The outcome?  Our revised policy still says "parents must be
responsible for providing guidance to their own children.  It is
not the role of the Library staff to do so; however, the Library
will assist parents by making available filtered Internet access
to children whose parents have requested it."  One of our 3
Internet computers has X-Stop Library version on it.  This is
suppossed to block only beastiality, child pornography,
and obscenity.  It is fairly easy for staff to unblock a site for a
patron.  Parents who want to restrict their under 18yrs minor
must fill out a form at circ desk, and we punch a hole in their
child's card.  From my perspective, the worst aspect is that
patrons now must have a library card to use the Internet
stations.  With open access for Ada County,(except Kuna),
and including Nampa and Caldwell, starting very soon, this
should not be a issue.  Both our revised policy and the form
the parent signs says that "not all objectionable material will
be blocked."

Karen Schneider said Houston Public Library thought
Websense and Smart Filter did well as filters.  We may try
them if we have more problems with X-Stop.  I was not happy
that Dr. Ruth's safe sex site was blocked.  We have
unblocked it, but it should not have been blocked in the first
place.

Be prepared.  Please have a copy of Idaho Code Title 18,
Chapter 15 regarding disseminating material harmful to
minors.  Make sure all your board members have a copy. 
Same goes for Title 18, Chapter 41, Indecency
and obscenity.  Make sure you and your board also have
copies of the Syllabus of the Supreme Court Decision re the
Communications Decency Act of 1996.  Also remember, no
phone numbers or home addresses of elected officials should
be made public without their consent.  I did not know this,
and when asked, I gave the phone numbers of my trustees. 
Their names and phone numbers ended up in big print on the
wall during the televised press conference!

Best wishes, keep in touch.  Call if I can help.  Thank you to
Mr. Poole, Lynn Melton and all of you that sent me advice
and best wishes.

Dian Hoffpauir
dianh@ada.lib.id.us
Ada Community Library
10664 West Victory Road
Boise, ID  83709
PHONE:  (208) 362-0181 ext. 23
FAX:    (208) 362-0303

From macosta at pen.ci.santa-monica.ca.us  Fri Aug 29 15:56:39 1997
From: macosta at pen.ci.santa-monica.ca.us (Migell Acosta)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Popular Notions about the web
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


Donald:

You might want to check out the current issue of 'Wired' magazine.  There 
is an article that explores the overriding negative tone of the New York 
Times' treatment of the Internet over the last couple of years.

When you see some of the headlines they've ran concerning the Internet, 
you can see a real negative bias in their coverage.

	- Migell


On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Donald Barclay wrote:

> I'm trying to compile a list of popular notions about the web (or
> Internet).  In particular, I'm interested in notions that are spread via
> mass media (TV, movies, magazines, etc.). Such notions could be:
> 
> False: "All information in the world in on the web." 
> 
> Partially true: "If you use the web, people can gather information about
>                  you." 
> 
> Or entirely true: "You can find photographs of naked people on the
>                    web."
> 
> 
> The initial list that I brainstormed follows below my signature. Although
> I mention the "f" word in this list, my intent is that this mention be
> seen as neutral. It is certainly not an attempt by me to start another
> round of messages about f***ering. I've divided the list into pro- and
> antiweb categories, though maybe there will be some notions that don't
> fall into either camp. 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions. If you want, you can respond directly to me
> and I will summarize for the entire list.
> 
> 
> Donald A. Barclay
> Coordinator of Electronic Services    always the beautiful answer
> University of Houston Libraries       who asks a more beautiful question
> dbarclay@uh.edu                               --e.e. cummings
> www.uh.edu/~dbarclay
> 
> Popular Notions about the Web (Internet)
> 
> Pro Web
> You can find anything on the web (if you are a good enough hacker).
> 
> The web is the fastest way to find information, and it's a snap to print
> or download anything you find.
> 
> You can use the web to directly communicate with the leading experts in
> any field.
> 
> You can use the web to get inside information you can't get anywhere else.
> 
> "Somebody" is in charge of the web.
> 
> All books, magazines, journals, etc. are either "somewhere" on the web or
> will be soon.
> 
> The web is always the best place to start looking for information.
> 
> The web is the only thing you need to do any research.
> 
> If I something is done with a computer in a movie, it can be done in real
> life.
> 
> You can get rich just by starting a business on the web.
> 
> You can search the entire web by typing in a few words (aka the "just
> punch it up on the computer" school of information retrieval.)
> 
> Searching the web for information doesn't require any thought, nor does
> evaluating the information you retrieve.
> 
> You can make the web safe for kids by using filtering software.
> 
> The web makes libraries (or at least books) obsolete.
> 
> 
> 
> Anti-web
> The web is nothing but pornography.
> 
> The web is full of credit-card and other scams.
> 
> If you use the web, people can gather information about you.
> 
> You need to be a computer genius to use the web.
> 
> The web is nothing but advertisements for big corporations.
> 
> The web is a government (or corporate) conspiracy.
> 
> The web is populated entirely by crackpots, extremists, deviants, and
> children.
> 
> Every time you try to use the web, nothing works.
> 
> The web is turning us into a bunch of drooling illiterates.
> 
> The is no information of any real value on the web.
> 
> The web has no place in any library.
> 
> 
> 
From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu  Fri Aug 29 19:53:26 1997
From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Organizational chart -Reply
Message-ID: 

>>> "Kurt W. Wagner" 
08/27/97 06:31am >>>
and have it available 'in its original form'. I'm thinking that this
is a viable format for putting library publications online as well
-- the printout is identical to the paper versions we publish.
-----------------------
Yes, if one is hung up on paper.  No, I don't see the death of
paper publications in any of our lifetimes.  However, I think we
librarians and others should think and analyze carefully
whether ANY of our publications need to be on paper, or will
web do fine?  AND, if web is fine, maybe printed from web
can be fine too.....even if that does restrict web design quite a
bit...mainly to traditional linear format.

dan




From hcotsell at c3.telstra-mm.net.au  Fri Aug 29 21:25:16 1997
From: hcotsell at c3.telstra-mm.net.au (Helen Cotsell)
Date: Wed May 18 14:44:58 2005
Subject: Printing problems:  'No pages to print' message, quick fix.
Message-ID: <9708300019.AA02933@library.berkeley.edu>

We have found that when Netscape claims there are no pages to print, we can
clear the problem simply by choosing to 'Select All' from the Edit menu.
Netscape then prints the page quite happily.  
We use a HP deskjet, too.  Is this relevant? - lots of people do own these.

Helen Cotsell
ph(03).9376-1949
hcotsell@c3.telstra-mm.net.au

From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu  Sat Aug 30 06:51:26 1997
From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner)
Date: Wed May 18 14:45:00 2005
Subject: Popular Notions about the web
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi Donald

Doran, K. (1995). "The Internot: helping library patrons understand what
the Internet is not (yet)". Computers in Libraries 15(6). p22(3).

This is a great article that I've been using often in Internet training
sessions (mainly for librarians) to emphasize commonly held fallacies such
as those you are gathering/summarizing. It might be useful for you. I've
listed the author's 'ten things that the Internet is not' on my Internet
Searching training/tutorial page --
http://www.gti.net/kwagner/training/internet.html

Kurt

...........................................,,,,,..........
Kurt W. Wagner, MLS   mailto:kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu
Reference/Publications/Library Webmaster      973.720.2285
Sarah Byrd Askew Library 
William Paterson University of New Jersey, USA             
   http://www.wilpaterson.edu/~library
   http://www.gti.net/kwagner
...........................................................


From MonProg at aol.com  Sat Aug 30 12:45:19 1997
From: MonProg at aol.com (MonProg@aol.com)
Date: Wed May 18 14:45:00 2005
Subject: The Web and Research Papers
Message-ID: <970830124353_-2104535158@emout14.mail.aol.com>

That begs the question:  aare "Research Papers" still an adequate vehicle
to evaluate and educate students.
From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU  Sat Aug 30 13:13:28 1997
From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan)
Date: Wed May 18 14:45:00 2005
Subject: Coffee URN(sm): Java-Enhanced OPACS
Message-ID: <9708301715.AA15403@library.berkeley.edu>

          Coffee URN(sm): Java-Enhanced OPACS

     In considering how it would be possible to improve
access to Sub-divisions or Subheadings from a Main
Subject Heading, it has occurred to me that the use of
CGI-based scrollable listing could offer the kind of
access that/which I would facilitate identification and
effective use of such subdivisions. In this scenario,
in a OPAC subject search for the subject 'Climatology'
users would be presented with a browsable alphabetical
listing such that the word 'Climatology' would be listed
in the middle of the alpha listing and of course highlighted
in some way (e.g. colored and/ or indented). At the right
edge of the word 'Climatology' that would be an special
character or icon to indicate that the term has subdivisions.
In clicking on the icon, a full listing of the subject headings
would be displayed if there were few subdivisions, or an
aggregated listing, that could in turn be selected to display
the specific subdivisions within the selected segment of the
aggregated listing. The scrollable windows would be displayed
horizontally across the screen [at just the right font size].
As windows from each sequence are opened, previous windows
would be reduced, or closed to display the current window with
the current set of subdivisions/subheadings.

   One alternative to this scenario could be the display of
sub-parts through a Java applet, such that upon selecting a
main heading the sub-parts would be presented as a separate
pop-through window that would automatically be sized for the
number of subdivisions or aggregates [One could envision the
listing being on a slow scroll such that users could mark those
of interest in the sequenced list, before a retrieval of
an individual or a collected set of marked sub-parts]
[Note see the Entake applet demo page at URL

                   http://www.entanke.se/

   for this and other applet possibilities, e.g. 'Scroll
News Examples' or their 'Demo Loop' for a sequence]

[For details about Java see the Sun Microsystems Java
homepage at URL : http://java.sun.com/ ]

   The possibility of using Java applets with this application
raises the larger question of the benefit of a Java-enhanced
OPAC. There are clearly a number of other manipulations of
MARC data that could occur through the application of Java/Java applets
in a Web-environment [Several are now brewing in my URN {:->]
[BTW URN is defined by one Peter Parnes as

    "an identifier which can be used to uniquely identify a
     resource and is designed to provide persistent naming
     or objects on the Internet. The name would stay the
     same no matter what the current location of the object is.
     The word ``resource'' is used in this report in the meaning
     information resource on the net.


        http://www.cdt.luth.se/~peppar/master_thesis/node5.
                html#SECTION00210000000000000000
                                                         ]
     With the potential that Java and Java applets hold
for enhancing online public access information systems e.g OPACs)
I am greatly interested in any and all projects, research, projects
and/or services that have applied or a planning to incorporate
Java / Java applets [or the like] into local/remote OPACs [Web-based
of course]. Once identified and reviewed, these systems will be
profiled in a new Web-based clearinghouse called

               _Coffee URN(sm): Java-Enhanced OPACs_

    The URL for this new clearinghouse will be

       http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Coffee.htm

   Look for its establishment by the end of the year.
Coffee URN(sm) will become a companion to my Onion Patch(sm)
clearinghouse of innovative and experimental OPAC that's
available at URL:

    http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Onion.htm

   As always, any leads, citations, comments, queries,
commentary, questions, or suggestions are most welcome.

   Regards,

Gerry McKiernan
Curator, CyberStacks(sm)
Iowa State University
Ames IA 50011

gerrymck@iastate.edu
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/

    "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent It!"

P.S. Off hand, I aware of three embryonic projects. One is
Bill Drew's  JAVA Telnet for SUNY Morrisville Library Catalog
as well as two presently confidential projects my two
of my Web colleagues. BTW the URL for Bill's Java OPAC is

  http://snymorac.snymor.edu/pages/library/telnet/netopac.htmlx

From David_Burt at filteringfacts.org  Sat Aug 30 18:35:05 1997
From: David_Burt at filteringfacts.org (Filtering Facts)
Date: Wed May 18 14:45:00 2005
Subject: Filtering in Idaho -- FFL Involvement
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This message is forwarded from the Filt4lib list, where Karen Gounaud
responded to the charge that she "threatened to sue Ada Library":


>Subject: Filtering in Idaho -- FFL Involvement
>
>* From: Gounaud 
>
>Just want to clarify something for everybody on filt4lib:
>
>>From "Filtering at Ada Community Library, Boise Idaho"  August 29, 1997.
>
>
>"The father was in almost weekly contact with Karen Jo Gounaud of Family
>Friendly Libraries in Fairfax, VA.
>
>"Family Friendly Libraries was debating whether to sue us if we did not
>filter, and ACLU would not be very happy with us if we did filter."
>
>
>Yes, we were giving that father advice, information, education, background
>and general encouragement to be an effective proponant of Internet fltering
>for his public library system.  
>
>But FFL does not sue libraries.  We have, however, been told by legal
>experts on the dangerous combination of pornography and minors that
>libraries and schools, or any institution offering Internet access to
>minors without an electronic  safety net could subject those places to
>lawsuits brought by the parents themselves.  We always tell parents it's
>best to go through the system and seek the cooperation and support of
>fellow citizens in the effort before even considering a step as serious as
>a lawsuit.  The institutions are particularly vulnerable when they allow
>minors to surf without parents present, and when they have made no effort
>to block even the ILLEGAL pornographic sights.  Now libraries also stand to
>lose significant public relations and political ground because technology
>as efficient and easy to tweak as X-Stop exists, putting a lie to all those
>ALA claims that you couldn't put a curtain around Miss January without
>blocking chicken breast recipes and breast cancer research.  
>
>Anyone that lost Dr. Ruth in the X-stop effort found they could easily
>restore her.  Better than losing a child's innocence which can never be
>restored.  You can tweak a blocker but not a kid.  Please, can those
>working in public institutions serving children urge all those Internet
>"blocking is not perfect" complainers to get their priorities straight!  
>
>In the meantime, the ACLU Goliath remains the chief legal buddy
>organization for the pornography industry, and the ALA is egging them on by
>talking about adding to their own legal teams to defend libraries against
>blocking proponants.  FFL is not suing.  We are asking, requesting, urging,
>pleading, begging, encouraging, promoting, beseeching, and entreating all
>those involved with kids and computers to understand WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE
>FOR THE WELFARE AND PROTECTION OF MINOR CHILDREN, whether the parents are
>around or not.  Rather than the threat of a time consuming, money grubbing,
>community dividing lawsuit, FFL much prefers that elected officials, law
>enforcement officers, librarians, trustees, and citizens become sincere and
>friendly partners in making the Internet safe for kids.  Our slingshots are
>armed only with information and recommendations, not supoenas.
>
>Remember the ALA legal leaders stood before the Supreme Court and argued
>against any more legal fences for the 'net because, in part, the technology
>was there to do the job instead.  Now the ALA leadership is making angry
>noises and pointing ACLU friends at any library that wants to filter or
>block.  In 1994 the ALA leadership also was present in the court battle on
>the side of pornographers when the  Justice Department decided to require
>proof that the models being used were not underage.  The ALA, far from
>being a true defender of the Founding Fathers' First Amendment vision, has
>put so much fear in the hearts of librarians who want to defend blocking
>and filtering that, in spite to websites like "filteringfacts" and
>listservs like this one, most are still expressing their views only in
>private.  What happened to their First Amendment rights? Some we had
>invited to our Sept 19th program withdrew in part from concern for the
>security of jobs and reputations.  The ALA now sponsoring programs and
>webpages to point parents toward great kiddie websites is pure hypocrisy. 
>A nutritious lemonade stand does not make up for a fenceless crater.  
>
>The library profession is an honorable profession.  Please, professionals,
>extract yourselves from this unholy ALA-ACLU-PORN trio and rejoin your
>patrons and parents in boldly making the library Internet a safe browsing
>environment for children.  If FFL had money for lawsuits, we'd contribute
>it to protect libraries and librarians against those fear mongering
>triplets who care more about protecting the income of pornographers than
>preventing mind molestation in our children and youth.
>
>Karen Jo Gounaud, Family Friendly Libraries     
>
>
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From tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au  Sun Aug 31 04:15:08 1997
From: tony at ningaui.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry)
Date: Wed May 18 14:45:03 2005
Subject: Whither z39.50?
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At 1:57 PM 22/8/97, Nick Arnett wrote:
>I'm taking one of my periodic looks at z39.50, with an eye toward whether or
>not Verity should add support for it to our products.  Does anyone know of a
>source for estimating the installed base?  Opinions about its future,
>anecdotal evidence, rants and raves are welcome, especially the degree to
>which it is making progress outside of the library community.

Most major ILMS vendors now support it.  The take up in Australian
Universities is I think about one third but I don't think anybody has exact
figures.  I think the take up in the UK is possibly higher.

The GILS project in the US mandates it so I would have though with that
push there will be an assured market.

I would see it being used more as a mechanism for multiple databases to be
searched simultaneously rather than anything else.  I also expect that
z39.50 clients will mainly be used by power users and the bulk of access
with be via http-z39.50 gateways.

OCLC and RLG are both offering access to their services via z39.50 and the
two big database providers offer both z39.50 and web access.

While it is something that most major libraries specify that they want the
take up has not been enthusiastic.

Tony

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