From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Fri Feb 2 11:38:10 1996 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Web structure Message-ID: <96Feb2.114458est.20514@pandora.isinet.com> Starting a Web site can be quite and undertaking. While ours is not a university site, many of the planning issues are the same. I started by doing some drawing on flip charts, with the home page in the middle and drawing out from that. I used colored dotted lines for links and used that as a place to start. (If you are familiar with the techniques of Mind Mapping, that is a terrific technique to use for this exercise). As far as planning your pages, try to use a visual grammar so that visitors will know that they are always in your site (it helps particularly if you have links outside of your site). Try to keep items of the same hierarchical level the same size (headings and the like) and reduce them in size the further into the hierarchy you go. We have developed a "style book" that helps with this. We developed it as we were working with one group's documents and have refined it as we have added others. Beleive me, it is a "living" style book that does change. In an effort to teach people HTML, we are using an easy-to-use HTML editor called Hot Dog Pro from Sausage Software. (http://www.sausage.com). I use when teaching individuals in the various product groups around our company and most pick it up very easily. I will also recommend a very good book on all of this stuff: "The Web Page Design Cookbook" by Horton, Taylot, et al (J. Wiley). I have other books on the subject, but this is the resource I turn to most often, now. Last, but hardly least, go to Yahoo, go to the education pages and look at what other colleges and universities are doing with their sites. Some of the best ideas come from other sites. Go into them, try to diagram the links and try to determine how that might be helpful for you. ..and one more thing, get students involved. I think you will find a lot of creative energy there. Many are interested in the WWW and it might encourage them to hone some of their own research skills and actually spend more time in the library!!! Good luck, if I can be of any more help, let me know. Elisa Miller, WebMaster "Whatever you can do or Institute for Scientific Information dream you can, begin it. 3501 Market Street Boldness has genius, power Philadelphia, Pa 19104 and magic in it." (215)386-0100 x 1395 Goethe emiller@isinet.com URL - http://www.isinet.com From rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net Fri Feb 2 11:59:25 1996 From: rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net (Robert H. Terry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Electronic Preservation (was: SunSite at Berkeley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Peter, What do you think of our Cataloguing tool ? Is it a resource for the consensus ? As a research scientist, I employed my opinions to create a Microsoft ACCESS DBMS version of same, We will esssentially be able to take flat HTML site's versions and dynacmically provide a HTML code generator for forms/pages to any site, I am growing tired of those other questions/solutions at resolving this placement. Our current placement is http://rbse.mountain.net/MOREplus , it is a currently Oracle based HTML DBMS library oriented interface. Upom nearing the needs of a majority in the Library Science needs, we will produce a Microsoft Office version in our next versiom. I want to call it MOREdos, a play on acronyms, but a needed product for most under budgeted information services wanting WWW platforms. We need your sincere analysis and help, if theres enough response for this version, the research shall make it happen, and MountainNet can make it an Industrial Strength COTS (commercial off the shelf) product. Please give MOREplus/MOREdos your test of fire, and do let us know the realities of making this version. As a NASA sponsered research/technology-transfer project we need to hear from this library community. Thanks, in advance for your consideration and effort, in this matter, and of those casual readers/librarians whom make time to perform same. 800-846-1458 x 18 Bob Terry PS - To all whom read this, please do email me with your opinions on this matter. Your needs are important for supporting the facets of future missions, thanks. From agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx Fri Feb 2 14:04:33 1996 From: agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: SOLUTION: Reset Netscape to HomePage Timer Message-ID: I already mailed this to one person, questions coming in from other members of the list motivated me to "finish" my trial period and have a working solution I'd be glad to share. For those people with Windows public machines, here is my solution: I am using a Programming language called "Flute" which also doubles as a macro recorder-- it can handle windows, type in text automatically, etc. You can get it from these sites: Host ftp.sunet.se Location: /pub/pc/windows/mirror-cica/win3/programr FILE -r--r--r-- 1272833 May 1 1995 flute.zip Location: /pub/pc/windows/mirror-cica/win3/uploads FILE -r--r--r-- 760 Aug 13 08:55 flute.txt FILE -r--r--r-- 707906 Aug 13 09:03 flute.zip Location: /pub/pc/windows/mirror-cica/win95/programr FILE -r--r--r-- 707906 Aug 13 08:54 flute.zip Host micros.hensa.ac.uk Location: /mirrors/cica/win3/programr FILE -rw-r--r-- 1272833 May 1 1995 flute.zip ----- You'll need pkunzip to dezip the file. Just place it in a new subdirectory. The macro I wrote is this: (comments translated from spanish, excuse any errors) ---- main{ /* This program runs until you place the mouse pointer in the top-left corner, hold down SHIFT, and wait a few seconds */ pause:=5; /* Time between mouse checks */ timeout:=120; /* Both in seconds */ numintervals:=timeout/pause; hidewindow({"Program Manager"}); hidewindow({"Trumpet Winsock"}); hidewindow({"WinQVT/Net v3.9"}); wait(pause*1000); while ( !(shiftkey & pos={0,0}) ) /* Top-left corner is Magic Zone */ { i:=0; pos:=mousepos; pos_ant:=pos; while (pos=pos_ant & pos!={0,0} & iafxmdiframe",">afx:302b:0:aca:0"},17,"l"}; typetext{{"Open Location",">edit"},-17,"http://www-cib/",13}; /* The '17' means "press ALT", so 17,l == ALT-l */ /* '-17' is "release ALT"; the '13' means "press return". */ /* You can insert these codes by using a menu option which */ /* records your mouse and keyboard actions */ }; }; showwindow({"Program Manager"}); showwindow({"Trumpet Winsock"}); showwindow({"WinQVT/Net v3.9"}); } ---- Copy this text and paste it into the Flute editor window. While it IS a mouthful, it's not that complex. I had previous experience with 'C' programming so it wasn't too much of a fuss to come up with it... read the comments to see what it's doing. In order to make this script startup automatically, you can make a program icon that goes in the startup group, which contains the path to FLUTE.EXE, along with "-h -r macroname.flu", so FLUTE knows to hide the window and run the macro called "macroname.flu". It's explained in Flute's help section... The only downside to this macro is that I have no way to gauge user activity other than by mouse movements. I can't check for keypresses, but since I'm not shutting down telnets (anymore), there's not much problem. Telnet windows are always shoved to the front, so the user doesn't forget they're there-- I'll let normal timeouts log the user out. Hope this helps! _alex +-------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Ing. Alejandro Garza Gonzalez | E-MAIL: agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx | | ITESM University, Monterrey, Mexico | "Ok bye!" // Solo | +- http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ------+-------------------------\X/-Amiga!-+ From pzeszota at ucla.edu Fri Feb 2 14:40:57 1996 From: pzeszota at ucla.edu (Paula Zeszotarski) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Policies for web pages Message-ID: <199602021940.LAA13526@rho.ben2.ucla.edu> >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 11:40:09 >To: colldv-l@usc.edu >From: Paula Zeszotarski >Subject: Policies for web pages > >I am a second year student at the UCLA program in Library and Information Science and am working on a project with Ray Soto, Humanities Bibliographer at the Univerity Research Library. we are trying to put togtehr a collection development policy for sources to be listed on a "Scholarly resources" page for English and American Literature. We are, however, looking at collection development policies for web sites in general especially the decision making process that is behind them. > >I amhoping that the members of this list can assist us in our project by 1) providing copies of their policies for www sources 2)discussing any relevant professional literature ( I am so far only aware of S. Demas work at Cornell) 3) entering into a dialogue about the issues which came about as a result of developing these policies or why your institution has chosen not to compile these policies. > >Thank your for your assistance, > > Paula Zeszotarski GSE&IS University of California at Los Angeles pzeszota@ucla.edu From agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx Fri Feb 2 15:52:33 1996 From: agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Pointers to information on copyright issues? Message-ID: Is there some Bibliography, Web page or Magazine article out there that describes the nitty-gritty details of what mantaining electronic versions of Reserve articles involves? Is it ok while my geographic end-user base is small? Or is it more the number of end-users more than their geographic location? When we mantain electronic versions, scanned from copies teachers leave us, we only handle them in that form, but we only offer 4 printing stations inside our library. What would the impact of offering this service to certain subnets (extending the range to any computer inside our campus) via HTTP be? The material we mantain in reserve lists is put up by teachers and ourselves; teachers always hand us copies of their original information. Regular reserve articles (in paper) are further photocopied by patrons for their use. Does it matter if we just eliminate the physical restraints and have the documents be available anywhere inside campus, at any time? Or would we, to allow some give-and-take, let only one user at a time access a particular digital copy of a document (where "at-a-time" would be some sort of 'Ticket' method, where we let any one user have access to the document for, say, 5 minutes, and then let the next user in the queue a shot at it)? Any insight on who's doing this, how do they handle the legalities, what are the restraints on access, charges for accessing the information, would be very much appreciated. Thanks. +---------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Ing. Alejandro Garza Gonzalez | E-MAIL: agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx | | Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca | ITESM Campus Monterrey, Mexico | +- http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ --------+------------------------------------+ From lcarter at velcome.iupui.edu Fri Feb 2 16:56:06 1996 From: lcarter at velcome.iupui.edu (Laurel Carter) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: HTML 3.0 and browser capabilities Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I've been doing some web development using tables and frames. While I believe our library will be upgrading to Netscape 2.0 and will be able to view the tables and frames, I'm aware that other browsers won't. Does anybody know of a published (print or online) comparison table that maps HTML 3.0 capabilites to various browsers? I've seen Microsoft's page showing Internet Explorer HTML 2.0 support, but it doesn't do what I need. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie20html.htm) Thanks, Laurel Carter lcarter@velcome.iupui.edu Indiana University Purdue University, Indianapolis (IUPUI) From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Fri Feb 2 17:21:30 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: HTML 3.0 and browser capabilities Message-ID: <01BAF192.E5BB8160@grey.ohiolink.edu> You may find what you need at BrowserCaps: http://www.objarts.com/bc/index.html Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu > >---------- From: Laurel Carter[SMTP:lcarter@velcome.iupui.edu] >Sent: Friday, February 02, 1996 5:00 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: HTML 3.0 and browser capabilities > >Dear colleagues, > >I've been doing some web development using tables and frames. While I >believe our library will be upgrading to Netscape 2.0 and will be able to >view the tables and frames, I'm aware that other browsers won't. > >Does anybody know of a published (print or online) comparison table that >maps HTML 3.0 capabilites to various browsers? I've seen Microsoft's >page showing Internet Explorer HTML 2.0 support, but it doesn't do what I >need. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie20html.htm) > >Thanks, > >Laurel Carter >lcarter@velcome.iupui.edu >Indiana University Purdue University, Indianapolis (IUPUI) > > From KAISAKI at CSMC.EDU Fri Feb 2 16:44:23 1996 From: KAISAKI at CSMC.EDU (KAISAKI, SUSAN) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: HTML 3.0 and browser capabilities Message-ID: <01I0QP99VC8M90NAQZ@CSMC.EDU> A comparison of Netscape 2.0 and HTML 3.0 tags are given at: http://webreference.com/html3andns/ . . . . . . . . . . Susan A. Kaisaki Medical Library/Information Center Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Voice: 310-855-4013 P.O. Box 48956 Fax: 310-967-0138 Los Angeles, CA 90048 Internet: kaisaki@csmc.edu http://www.csmc.edu/mlic webmaster@csmc.edu http://www.csmc.edu --------- Dear colleagues, I've been doing some web development using tables and frames. While I believe our library will be upgrading to Netscape 2.0 and will be able to view the tables and frames, I'm aware that other browsers won't. Does anybody know of a published (print or online) comparison table that maps HTML 3.0 capabilites to various browsers? I've seen Microsoft's page showing Internet Explorer HTML 2.0 support, but it doesn't do what I need. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie20html.htm) Thanks, Laurel Carter lcarter@velcome.iupui.edu Indiana University Purdue University, Indianapolis (IUPUI) From b-nielsen at nwu.edu Fri Feb 2 17:44:39 1996 From: b-nielsen at nwu.edu (Brian Nielsen) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Pointers to information on copyright issues? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960202224439.00761a30@merle.acns.nwu.edu> At 01:18 PM 2/2/96 -0800, you wrote: >Is there some Bibliography, Web page or Magazine article out there >that describes the nitty-gritty details of what mantaining electronic >versions of Reserve articles involves? Is it ok while my geographic >end-user base is small? Or is it more the number of end-users more >than their geographic location? Here at Northwestern University we have been working on policy development for electronic reserve, and have a general description of our system and some of the copyright issues entailed at http://www.nwu.edu/at/ltg/ers.html Because the issue of copyright and electronic reserve received some attention at the midwinter ALA meeting in San Antonio, I did put together some of our University's discussion with some of those involved in the Draft Guidelines process at http://www.nwu.edu/at/ltg/staff_files/brian/e-reserve/ersoverv.htm Note that the draft guidelines posted there have been SUPERCEDED by later iterations. We feel the guidelines development process is coming along well. Brian Nielsen From andrzej at dingo.com Fri Feb 2 17:48:28 1996 From: andrzej at dingo.com (Andrzej Kowalski) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Announcement - Shared Database Services Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.32.19960202224828.0071c800@dingo1.dingo.com> This announcement is being cross-posted to some library and collections lists. Please excuse any duplication. The following announcement may be of interest to library and collections institutions looking for a cost-effective manner to place collections databases on the WWW. ------------------------------------------- Dingo Software Systems of Vancouver, BC, Canada, announces a new development in WWW database services. Previously only affordable by large organizations, anyone may now put their data online in a shared environment with the full power of the searchable, updatable KE Texpress database engine. Dingo now offers the entire spectrum of web services from virtual servers to sophisticated www database applications. http://www.dingo.com/vservers.html#shared Sites can now harness the power of the revolutionary KE Texpress object-oriented database for a modest monthly fee. Make your data - inventory, records, membership, full text documents, collections, listings - available on the Internet. The Shared Database Service is an extension of Dingo's Virtual Server package. Join the ranks of major Internet players using KE Texpress, such as: dealerNet and BCTel for a fraction of the cost of purchasing your own KE Texpress licence. For further information: email vservers@dingo.com or telephone (604) 877-1960. ---------------------------------- From jmeyers at netins.net Fri Feb 2 18:15:40 1996 From: jmeyers at netins.net (Janet Meyers) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <31129B1C.29A9@netins.net> Frames seem to be "the thing" these days, but I haven't found a site that uses them that I like yet. Navigating them seems difficult and I find the small windows inconvenient. Am I just not looking at the right ones? Can anyone give me some examples of "good" ones? Are there any online tutorials on creating frames? Thanks in advance. -- Janet Meyers jmeyers@netins.net http://www.netins.net/showcase/meyers/ The opinions expressed here are mine alone. From marquez at dnax.org Fri Feb 2 15:25:50 1996 From: marquez at dnax.org (Dawn Marquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: WWW LC Class. Schedules Message-ID: Subject: Time: 11:43 AM WWW LC Class. Schedules Date: 2/2/96 Cataloging 101: Does anyone have the address for the LC classification schedules on the web, primarily for the Q-T's? Thanks. From sutherlandp at ccc.govt.nz Fri Feb 2 20:04:41 1996 From: sutherlandp at ccc.govt.nz (sutherlandp@ccc.govt.nz) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: limiting access to any functions on Web Browsers etc. Message-ID: This question seems to recur on many lists, in different forms. I am very interested in the answers as we start on a project to provide public Internet access. We have to formulate lots of questions, and try and provide some solutions based on what we wish to do/can afford to do etc. Kiosk type browsers are I think a big part of any solution. Q.Has anyone created a Meta resource pointing to some public access solutions, such as Berkley public Library's Netscape tweaking & ... etc. > >Topic No. 6 > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:15:59 -0800 (PST) >From: Krista Goguen >To: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Cc: David Christensen , >Subject: Limiting access to e-mail &/or options on Netscape (Windows95) >Message-ID: > >Pasadena Public Library provides WWW access to the public at 4 >workstations. We use Netscape. Does anyone on the list know how to >prevent users from using the e-mail or news functions of Netscape or how >to prevent users from accessing the "options" feature in Netscape. We >use Windows 95 and the Windows 95 registry. Windows 95 support did not >have any solutions. Please respond to me (kgoguen@ci.pasadena.ca.us) or to >Dave@ci.pasadena.ca.us (who will be joining the list soon). Thanks in >advance for your time and assistance. .....My opinions only....... Less is more, but not enough. Sol Le Wit Paul Sutherland sutherlandp@ccc.govt.nz Information Technology Librarian Canterbury Public Library Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/ From beiser at saturn.caps.maine.edu Fri Feb 2 17:52:52 1996 From: beiser at saturn.caps.maine.edu (Karl Beiser) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:35 2005 Subject: Search Apps thru Web - Was Re: Reset Netscape to HomePage Timer Message-ID: <9602030351.AA42823@saturn.caps.maine.edu> > From: "Dale E. Goodell" > We are planning in a few months to provide access to our Library's > Compact Disc Network, as well as internet resources through our > Library's (yet to be developed) home page on the WWW. Our Windows > and Netscape software will be running on a Novell NetWare fileserver, > currently running NetWare v3.11 (soon to be upgraded to v4.1)... This brings up a separate question unrelated to a home page timer function. Are all the Web users in-house on the LAN? Or are they also coming in via TCP connections from elsewhere? In either (or both) cases, how are these Windows (and perhaps DOS?) programs going to be presented to users of a Web browser? Unless I misread, this is a distinctly non-trivial enterprise, though one with high utility. In short, how will this work? Thanks Karl Beiser Maine State Library POB 2145 Bangor, ME 04402 beiser@saturn.caps.maine.edu From dennis at ash.palni.edu Mon Feb 5 16:46:33 1996 From: dennis at ash.palni.edu (Dennis Tucker) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: new listserv LIBCAL for events, conferences, etc. Message-ID: We are pleased to annouce the opening of the LIBCAL listserv containing announcements of conferences, workshops, seminars, and other events of interest to the library and information science community. This list is being cross-posted to a couple of lists for librarians, so please excuse the cross-posting. Please share this information with other groups as appropriate. Complete information follows. DEFINITION: LIBCAL is a listserv for members of the international Library and Information Science community. PURPOSE: The purpose of the list is to inform members of the Library and Information Science community of conferences, workshops, seminars, and meetings which may be of interest to them in furthering their professional education and fulfilling their professional responsibilities. WHO MAY POST: Any individual or group which is aware of an event of interest to a sizable portion of the Library and Information Science community may post that event to this list. Events which are highly localized or of potential interest to only a few should not be posted in order to keep from cluttering the list. Hosts of local events should seek other means of publicizing them. Events which are strictly "for profit" should not be posted. It is acceptable to post events for which a fee is charged, but these should be events sponsored by organizations within the Library and Information Science community such as library schools, library networks, or library associations. Events which are deemed inappropriate will be removed from the list by the list manager. If a user persists in posting events which are not appropriate to the list, he/she will be removed from the list. List archives are accessible via WWW at: gopher://ash.palni.edu:70/1m/PALNI/News/libcal.new In the future, we hope to make the list fully searchable. WHERE TO SEND MESSAGES: Messages for the list LIBCAL should be posted to LIBCAL@ash.palni.edu CORRECT DATA ENTRY: The subject line of the message should contain first the date, then the name of the conference, e.g.: 1/28/98 Libraries and Technology conference 2/23-28/99 Library Space Planning conference As this list originates from the U.S., please post dates in U.S. format: MM/DD/YY. Events which cover multiple days should be entered as in the second example above or by starting date only. This format will make the list easier to search. For detailed information about how to subscribe, unsubscribe, or post messages to this discussion list, send an email message containing the following two lines to 'majordomo@incolsa.palni.edu' help end The above two lines should be included in the text of the email message. The 'Subject Line' of the email is ignored. For questions of problems pertaining to the list, please contact the list manager: Dennis C. Tucker INCOLSA dennis@palni.edu =============================================================== Dennis C. Tucker, M.A.T., M.L.S., Project Hi-Net Director INCOLSA (Indiana Cooperative Library Services Authority) Phone: (317) 298-6570 FAX: (317) 328-2380 In-state WATS: (800) 733-1899 e-mail: dennis@palni.edu =============================================================== From BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US Mon Feb 5 17:12:25 1996 From: BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US (BOCHERF@MAIL.STATE.WI.US) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Web Fram3ws info Message-ID: <0003800002753321000004*@MHS> >I think frames is a pretty interesting development and definitely a node >toward graphic information designers because they give the designer much >more control over the display of their information. While it is real >_useless_ at the moment I like designing frames for really BIG monitors >which give you elbow room for screen display. I would like if I could >control BORDER = 0 along with NOSCROLL to get a more _seamless_ >display. > >--Thom Ya Hey: A good "Frames Tutorial" is at: http://sharky.nomius.com/frames/menu.htm This site also has links to a few more frame guides. FYI: About a month ago I did a quick frames mark-up of a "library resource" page I manage at: http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/f_lib_res.html (The non-frames page is at "...lib_res.html") I don't present this as any type of model and did it primarily to see how frames work. This resource list works well with frames because it's primarily a list with little narrative or graphics. As noted above, and as I mention in the intro. to my list, "...most frame pages, look best via a 15" or 17" monitor using at least 800 x 600 resolution." I also like the ability for the user to be able to control the frame size and the scroll/no-scroll. Sites with fixed frames and "no-scroll" can be a real problem, especially if there are any large graphics and you only have a smaller, low resolution monitor. Other sites go overboard and use 3-4 frames which really reduces screen real estate. Another limitation, from the user perspective, is that Netscape's "Go" option that shows the history of your session is not as complete as in a non-frames mode. If you go to a site outside the frames page only the last page is referenced. Parallel to this, the "back" arrow does not really take you back one page at a time to any sites outside the framed page(s). I found that handling the tags a problem, or at least a limitation. You cannot apparently have multiple occurrences of these tags in the same document. The second occurrence is ignored. (Since the <frames> can take the place of the <body> tag this is understandable.) Yet, there are situations where I would find it very useful to be able to mark various sections of a page <frames> - <noframes>. At this time I think frames are best suited for referencing different pages at the same site. For example, I like the option on many framed sites to quickly go to different areas of their site without having to go back to a TOC. -- Bob ____________________________________________________________ Bob Bocher, WI Dept. of Public Instruction, Division for Libraries... Box 7841 Madison, WI 53707 voice: 608-266-2127 fax: 608-267-1052 bocherf@mail.state.wi.us If the above email bounces, try: rbocher@mail.badgerdial.net http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/bob.html From master at mandic.com.br Mon Feb 5 21:29:30 1996 From: master at mandic.com.br (Roberto Nascimento) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Is there already a solution for commerce in the internet??? Message-ID: <01BAF42C.F2272520@hppp8.mandic.com.br> I've been reading a lot about the commerce at Internet, but I'll ask you a silly question about something that I can't understand: Why is not secure to type the credit card number even in a Netscape browser? If it is encrypted why is not secure? That little key on the bottom bar means that is secure, right? Sites like Internet Shopping or the Internet Travel Network they say they are secure, aren't they? Like in the Internet Travel Network, they have the "TRY OUR SECURE SERVER" is it safe or not. The question is: if it's already known that is not safe, why do they write this? Or if it is safe, why all this thing about DigiCash, FV and others? Is there already a solution or not? Best Regards, Roberto M Nascimento -- Assist. Director Cause Com.-- +----------------------------------------------------+ | e-mail: master@mandic.com.br | | Sao Paulo - SP - Brasil | | ----------------------------------------------------+ From mcculley at netcom.com Mon Feb 5 23:26:22 1996 From: mcculley at netcom.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <01BAF3C4.CFCD7C80@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960205201929.22383D-100000@netcom21> Tom, Nice post on FRAMES, TAGs, etc. It's not a world where the standards authorities and the development world are in synch. On what a Web browser (client) is: well, that's changing too. The new generation of those Internet tools won't resemble the document rendering incarnation as first launched. Internet WWW clients are being transformed into multimedia and communications devices (chat, plugins, and so on), and likely some of that device will be able to interface with OPACs and other library systems (CWIS, email, directories). Innovation, and challenges, for us all. Best, Michael P. Michael McCulley // mcculley@netcom.com Webmaster, Knight-Ridder Information, Inc. (Mountain View, CA) Speaking Only For Himself .............................................................. Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. From BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US Tue Feb 6 08:04:25 1996 From: BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US (BOCHERF@MAIL.STATE.WI.US) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <0003800002757721000004*@MHS> Note: I posted this yesterday but don't think it made it thru our gateway. :( -- Bob Bocher, WI State Library >I think frames is a pretty interesting development and definitely a node >toward graphic information designers because they give the designer much >more control over the display of their information. While it is real >_useless_ at the moment I like designing frames for really BIG monitors >which give you elbow room for screen display. I would like if I could >control BORDER = 0 along with NOSCROLL to get a more _seamless_ >display. > >--Thom Ya Hey: A good "Frames Tutorial" is at: http://sharky.nomius.com/frames/menu.htm This site also has links to a few more frame guides. FYI: About a month ago I did a quick frames mark-up of a "library resource" page I manage at: http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/f_lib_res.html (The non-frames page is at "...lib_res.html") I don't present this as any type of model and did it primarily to see how frames work. This resource list works well with frames because it's primarily a list with little narrative or graphics. As noted above, and as I mention in the intro. to my list, most frame pages, look best via a 15" or 17" monitor using at least 800 x 600 resolution. I also like the ability for the user to be able to control the frame size and the scroll/no-scroll. Sites with fixed frames and "no-scroll" can be a real problem, especially if there are any large graphics and you only have a smaller, low resolution monitor. Other sites go overboard and use 3-4 frames which really reduces screen real estate. Another limitation, from the user perspective, is that Netscape's "Go" option that shows the history of your session is not as complete as in a non-frames mode. If you go to a site outside the frames page only the last page is referenced. Parallel to this, the "back" arrow does not really take you back one page at a time to any sites outside the framed page(s). I found that handling the <frames> <noframes> tags a problem, or at least a limitation. You cannot apparently have multiple occurrences of these tags in the same document. The second occurrence is ignored. (Since the <frames> can take the place of the <body> tag this is understandable.) Yet, there are situations where I would find it very useful to be able to mark various sections of a page <frames> - <noframes>. At this time I think frames are best suited for referencing different pages at the same site. For example, I like the option on many framed sites to quickly go to different areas of their site without having to go back to a TOC. -- Bob ____________________________________________________________ Bob Bocher, WI Dept. of Public Instruction, Division for Libraries... Box 7841 Madison, WI 53707 voice: 608-266-2127 fax: 608-267-1052 bocherf@mail.state.wi.us If the above email bounces, try: rbocher@mail.badgerdial.net http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/bob.html From cfpl00 at iren.net Tue Feb 6 09:25:10 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <01BAF3C4.CFCD7C80@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOLA.3.91.960206080932.16881A-100000@maple.iren.net> On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > >> > >> Think of a Web browser as a remotely programmable user interface. Frames > >> is a mechanism that allows separation of the data and the user interface > >> controls. Much cleaner, much more stable for data (providers don't have to > >> keep updating their data files as the user interface changes). > > Yes, but... > > Web browsers were originally built to be document presentation > mechanisms, not remotely programmable user interfaces. (You may > remember some suggestions that you would add structure to your > document and let my browser render it as the browser-and I-see fit.) > One problem database providers are running into is that getting a web > browser to do what they want requires so much pulling and tweaking > and let's-use-this-tag-since-it-looks-good-on-Netscape-ing that the > browser ends up being used for what it wasn't designed for. I agree but I also think that maybe remotely programmable interfaces were what was needed and not just a system to tag texts for the purposes of information retrieval at a distance. I think the original purpose of html may [I say "may" carefully as one who is semi-informed would] have included recognition of the idea that such tagging could assist interface and that visual display _is_ part of the communication of information but I sense that there has been a polarization of many people over this issue since html's inception. Personally, I see graphic information as being just as important and as "informative" as text and that the use or abuse of the graphical browsers as a natural consequence of the fact that different learning styles are preferred by different humans. The biggest limitation I found in the beginning of working with Netscape and Mosaic was really html's limitation: that of adherence to the codex page metaphor. Actually, it was more limited than that. At least printers who used lead had the option of locking up with blank furniture! (Hope this isn't out of the scope of the list -- apologies if so.) --Barb ************************************************************ Barbara Dunn "...A GEEK librarian or a Technical Services Librarian tortured POET librarian? Cedar Falls Public Library You a one wacko freaky 524 Parkade crazzzy passionate Cedar Falls, IA 50613 disfunctional somewhat (319)273-8643 skittso librarian..." CFPL00@IREN.NET --Annie Niemus ************************************************************ From kfattig at polar.Bowdoin.EDU Tue Feb 6 09:48:46 1996 From: kfattig at polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Karl Fattig) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <9602061448.AA05175@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> While I do agree that HTML standards are important, so are innovators. I hope more people will continue to develop USEFUL applications of frames and framed environments. Especially database vendors. One of the most annoying things I hear about the WWW is that there is often no context to a page or a set of pages. Frames are another tool for contributing to the contextuality of hypertext. Are they appropriate for every application? No. The same way preformatted text isn't. Karl Fattig kfattig@polar.bowdoin.edu From agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx Tue Feb 6 09:59:03 1996 From: agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Pointers to information on copyright issues? In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960203085041.387D-100000@class.class.org> Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.91.960206085838.366A-100000@ci.mty.itesm.mx> Thanks for the tip! On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, California School of Prof. Psychology wrote: > San Diego State University has some sort of electronic reserve system > that they developed that is supposedly quite fabulous (one of my staff > used to work there). I have not spoken to anyone there about it but if > you contacted the library there, I am sure that someone could direct you > to that deparment. They are in San Diego, California. > > Dehbi Fleming > csppkane@class.org +-------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Ing. Alejandro Garza Gonzalez | E-MAIL: agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx | | ITESM University, Monterrey, Mexico | "Ok bye!" // Solo | +- http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ------+-------------------------\X/-Amiga!-+ From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Feb 6 10:05:52 1996 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Search Apps thru Web - Was Re: Reset Netscape to HomePa Message-ID: <v02110101ad3cc65ac944@[144.92.181.37]> Folks - >Our intention here is to have the WWW page available on the internet, >but the access to our CDs will be from our campus only. I plan to >designate our CD applications as helper apps within Netscape. We're doing this in a big way (over 100 databases, mostly CD-ROM); we just rolled it out a couple of weeks ago. Look at: http://www.library.wisc.edu/ Then, look under 'Resources in the Electronic Library'. The most contentious issues were not technical ones, but rather how to let users know which databases aren't remotely accessible and why, but not let the messages slow down users who do have access. Feel free to contact us if you run into any problems; we may have had similar experiences. The two tools that helped us the most were W3Launch (for launching the local CD search engines) and WinBatch (for setting up and controlling the environment on the library workstations). We have the same approach mentioned in the couple of previous messages - to have one set of menus for all users, even if not all of the resources can be used from everywhere. All of them can, though, be used from machines in any of our 30+ libraries. Our in-house LANs are based on Novell 3.11, and our client machines (~500) are mainly Windows 3.1 with a couple of dozen Macintoshes. One of the nice lessons we learned from this project is that committees can do useful work! :-) There were over half a dozen committees involved in various aspects of the project, from identifying technical problems to building consensus on the design. Hope this helps, ______________________________________________ Peter C. Gorman University of Wisconsin General Library System 312F Memorial Library 728 State St. Madison, WI 53706 pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu From dwiley at access.digex.net Tue Feb 6 10:48:59 1996 From: dwiley at access.digex.net (Deb Wiley) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Seminar in DC - Organizational Politics of the Web Message-ID: <199602061548.KAA16412@access5.digex.net> Cross posted to SLAITE-L, ASIS-L, Web4lib, and buslib - apologies for the duplication SECOND NOTICE - there are still some seats left. Please email your reservation. The Organizational Politics of a Web Page What is the Library's Role? sponsored by the DC-Special Libraries Association, Information Technology Group Do you have access to the Internet? Do you have a Home Page on the World Wide Web? Is the Library leading the organization onto the "Information Superhighway"? Or, are you bogged down in corporate politics, logistics and simple lack of staff and time? Join us for a seminar discussing the issues of why your organization should have it's own Home Page and how you can lead them to it! Speakers: Mary Rouleau, Librarian, Macro International Holly Chong-Williams, Product Manager, NTIS World News Connection Deborah Smith-Cohen, Database Admin, Am Soc of Assn Executives Margareta Knauff, Librarian, Dickstein Shapiro & Morin Deborah Lynne Wiley, President, Next Wave Consulting, Inc. When: Tuesday 13 February 1996, Noon - 2 PM bring your lunch - drinks and dessert will be provided Where: American Hotel & Motel Association, 1201 New York Ave, NW Washington, DC. 6th floor conference room Nearest Metro: Metro Center or McPherson Square Cost: $15 SLA Members, $20 Non-members. Make checks payable to DC-SLA Information Technology Group. SPACE IS LIMITED, SO REGISTER TODAY!!! For more information contact Deb Wiley at 202-543-9821 or dwiley@access.digex.net ================================================================ Name____________________________________________________ Organization______________________________________________ Address__________________________________________________ City______________________________State_________Zip________ Phone____________________________Fax____________________ email____________________________________________________ Make checks payable to DC-SLA Information Technology Group Mail checks to: Next Wave Consulting, PO Box 15334 Washington, DC 20003 #### NEW HOME PAGE ### http://www.access.digex.net/~dwiley/nextwave.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deborah Lynne Wiley Next Wave Consulting, Inc. P.O. Box 15334 Washington, Dc 20003 phone:202-543-9821 fax:202-546-8219 internet:dwiley@access.digex.net ~~~~~sailing the waves of technology~~~~~~~~~~~ --You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.-- ----Mark Twain---- From fros at planetx.bloomu.edu Tue Feb 6 06:14:01 1996 From: fros at planetx.bloomu.edu (Bill frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: NYT on the Web References: <9602051645.AA04212@salve2.salve.edu> Message-ID: <311737F9.11A5@planetx.bloomu.edu> I'd like to change to Netscape (2.0) Mail since it makes it so easy to automatically launch a page referred to by one of the group. I have, however, a _substantial_ address book in Pine that I would hate to have to reenter one entry at a time. Is there a way to transfer the Pine addresses into Netscape Mail? From swestman at sherlock.utsa.edu Tue Feb 6 13:11:27 1996 From: swestman at sherlock.utsa.edu (Stephen Westman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Netscape 2.0 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602061205.A2247-0100000@sherlock> After hearing a number of good things about Netscape 2.0, I decided to download the final version. While most of it looks good, there is one "feature" that has me baffled and leary of distributing it to everyone else in the library. It seems that, when I go compose an email message, I am able to type in the header information (To:, From:, etc.) without any problems. However, when I go to compose the body of the message, all of my keystrokes are interpreted into strange characters. The strange thing about it is, when I actually send a message that I have composed, it is received at the other end with what I typed, not what I saw on the screen. I have tried re-installing the software (twice), tried downloading a copy from a different source (thinking that I may have gotten a copy with a virus), and have looked everywhere I know of to change the font and/or email display. Is this a security feature where Netscape automatically encrypts a person's message? If so, how can I defeat it? Is it possibly a "crippleware" feature that will be enabled after I send them money (which I understand is not necessary if one works at an educational institution). Is there some switch deep within the draconian depths of Windows (for Workgroups 3.11) that I need to make a change in? Any help would be very much appreciated. ************************************************************************ * Stephen Westman (210) 691-5977 (phone) * * Electronic Services Librarian (210) 691-4571 (FAX) * * University of Texas at San Antonio swestman@coyote.utsa.edu * * Library * * 6900 North Loop 1604 West * * San Antonio, Texas 78249 * ************************************************************************ From smuller at mariner.Rutgers.EDU Tue Feb 6 13:48:20 1996 From: smuller at mariner.Rutgers.EDU (Silvia Muller) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <v02130500ad3d0a70cbf1@[165.230.2.169]> Hello there, I just wanted to suggest another site which demonstrates a nice application of frames. http://www.shareware.com/ By placing the navigational instruments in the same place for every page on the site, they've eliminated a lot of needless scrolling up or down to get to the top or bottom of pages. The consumer wins (less time spent to find information), the provider wins (their logo is *always* visible). Maybe it's not a perfect world in terms of standards adhesion or future site maintenance - but I've got to admire a site which makes ftp so blinking simple. Silvia Muller From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 6 14:14:21 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: glitch Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960206111236.8019G-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Web4Lib subscribers, It's not Bob's gateway that was at fault, but ours. Our mail server had some problems yesterday and this morning that have been fixed. But for a while there were no messages going out. Everything should be A-OK now. Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:41:50 -0800 From: BOCHERF@MAIL.STATE.WI.US To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Frames--What's the big deal? Note: I posted this yesterday but don't think it made it thru our gateway. :( -- Bob Bocher, WI State Library >I think frames is a pretty interesting development and definitely a node >toward graphic information designers because they give the designer much >more control over the display of their information. While it is real >_useless_ at the moment I like designing frames for really BIG monitors >which give you elbow room for screen display. I would like if I could >control BORDER = 0 along with NOSCROLL to get a more _seamless_ >display. > >--Thom Ya Hey: A good "Frames Tutorial" is at: http://sharky.nomius.com/frames/menu.htm This site also has links to a few more frame guides. FYI: About a month ago I did a quick frames mark-up of a "library resource" page I manage at: http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/f_lib_res.html (The non-frames page is at "...lib_res.html") I don't present this as any type of model and did it primarily to see how frames work. This resource list works well with frames because it's primarily a list with little narrative or graphics. As noted above, and as I mention in the intro. to my list, most frame pages, look best via a 15" or 17" monitor using at least 800 x 600 resolution. I also like the ability for the user to be able to control the frame size and the scroll/no-scroll. Sites with fixed frames and "no-scroll" can be a real problem, especially if there are any large graphics and you only have a smaller, low resolution monitor. Other sites go overboard and use 3-4 frames which really reduces screen real estate. Another limitation, from the user perspective, is that Netscape's "Go" option that shows the history of your session is not as complete as in a non-frames mode. If you go to a site outside the frames page only the last page is referenced. Parallel to this, the "back" arrow does not really take you back one page at a time to any sites outside the framed page(s). I found that handling the <frames> <noframes> tags a problem, or at least a limitation. You cannot apparently have multiple occurrences of these tags in the same document. The second occurrence is ignored. (Since the <frames> can take the place of the <body> tag this is understandable.) Yet, there are situations where I would find it very useful to be able to mark various sections of a page <frames> - <noframes>. At this time I think frames are best suited for referencing different pages at the same site. For example, I like the option on many framed sites to quickly go to different areas of their site without having to go back to a TOC. -- Bob ____________________________________________________________ Bob Bocher, WI Dept. of Public Instruction, Division for Libraries... Box 7841 Madison, WI 53707 voice: 608-266-2127 fax: 608-267-1052 bocherf@mail.state.wi.us If the above email bounces, try: rbocher@mail.badgerdial.net http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/bob.html From mazlumog at boun.edu.tr Tue Feb 6 21:11:24 1996 From: mazlumog at boun.edu.tr (Ismet Mazlumoglu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Is there already a solution for commerce in the internet??? In-Reply-To: <01BAF42C.F2272520@hppp8.mandic.com.br> Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960206204620.10071A-100000@hisar.cc.boun.edu.tr> On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Roberto Nascimento wrote: > Why is not secure to type the credit card number even in a Netscape = > browser? If it is encrypted why is not secure? That little key on the = I believe that nothing is secure in computers. If you subscribe to a mailing list about security or read some books about networks you'll see that there's no solution in fact. > it safe or not. The question is: if it's already known that is not safe, = > why do they write this? Or if it is safe, why all this thing about = > DigiCash, FV and others? Is there already a solution or not? Because everything is a software that some fellow had written it, this means another can write something to crash it (mostly successful!). Think that you computer encrypted your data and sent it to shop's computer. Then shop's computer has to unencrypt it. It is resolvable by another host. If someone solves the encryption method, he can get all the secret data. The only solution: don't panic and let everything go whatever like it is. [----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Ismet Mazlumoglu Internet: mazlumog@boun.edu.tr ] [ Bogazici University Library Bitnet : mazlumoi@trboun.bitnet ] [ Automation Section Phone : 212 - 263 15 40 ext.1530 ] [======================================================================] From memort at netcom.com Tue Feb 6 14:43:28 1996 From: memort at netcom.com (Mary-Ellen Mort) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Pros & cons of using HTML Tags In-Reply-To: <9602061448.AA05175@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602061117.A25522-0100000@netcom> I have seen allusions to this in other discussions but would like to start a thread to tackle the topic head on: Some website designers--in order to control the "look & feel" of their pages--use font sizes and other formatting instead of the standard HTML heading tags (H1-H6) But many of the "cool" sites--like c|net--use non-standard tags to control white space and to give their site a "different" look. Few libraries do this (am I wrong?) My understanding is that using the standard tags aids the search engines in indexing the site. Is this true? If true, is the impact--of not being properly indexed--so substantial that one would give up the "cool" look? Also that using the standard tags will assure cross platform display in a variety of browsers. Do users prefer the "innovative" looking sites or the "standard" sites? Does anyone have surveys or experiences on this topic? Mary-Ellen Mort memort@netcom.com From mweeks at wahoo.sjsu.edu Tue Feb 6 15:45:16 1996 From: mweeks at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Marsha Weeks) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: NYT on the Web Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960206204516.0069991c@wahoo.sjsu.edu> At 12:02 PM 2/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >I'd like to change to Netscape (2.0) Mail since it makes it so easy to >automatically launch a page referred to by one of the group. I have, >however, a _substantial_ address book in Pine that I would hate to >have to reenter one entry at a time. Is there a way to transfer the >Pine addresses into Netscape Mail? You could download you .adressbook file and copy and paste it into you Netscape address book one at a time. It's much easier if you use Eudora (you just copy it into nndbase.txt and put alias in front of all the entries. Try looking at TUCOWS (www.tucows.com/software.html) to see if they have a translator of some sort. Goodluck! __ __) (, /| /| /) /^\ / | / | _ __ _ (/ _ (@ @) ) / |/ |_ (_(_/ (_/_)_/ )_(_(_ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=ooO~(_)~Ooo= (_/ ' | Marsha Weeks, SJSU SLIS, South Campus | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | E-Mail -> mweeks@wahoo.sjsu.edu | LIBR 240 Sat. 12:00-2:45 PM | | -> mweeks@cyberg8t.com | LIBR 241 Tues. 4:00-6:45 PM | | | LIBR 244 Tues. 7:00-9:45 PM | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | WWW Home Page -> http://www.cyberg8t.com/mweeks/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From Rodrigue.Real at uqam.ca Tue Feb 6 15:58:40 1996 From: Rodrigue.Real at uqam.ca (Real Rodrigue) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: Netscape 2.0 References: <Pine.3.89.9602061205.A2247-0100000@sherlock> Message-ID: <3117C100.70D4@UQAM.CA> Stephen Westman wrote: > > After hearing a number of good things about Netscape 2.0, I decided to > download the final version. While most of it looks good, there is one > "feature" that has me baffled and leary of distributing it to everyone > else in the library. > > It seems that, when I go compose an email message, I am able to type in > the header information (To:, From:, etc.) without any problems. However, > when I go to compose the body of the message, all of my keystrokes are > interpreted into strange characters. The strange thing about it is, when > I actually send a message that I have composed, it is received at the > other end with what I typed, not what I saw on the screen. > > I have tried re-installing the software (twice), tried downloading a copy > from a different source (thinking that I may have gotten a copy with a > virus), and have looked everywhere I know of to change the font and/or > email display. > > Is this a security feature where Netscape automatically encrypts a > person's message? If so, how can I defeat it? Is it possibly a > "crippleware" feature that will be enabled after I send them money (which > I understand is not necessary if one works at an educational > institution). Is there some switch deep within the draconian depths of > Windows (for Workgroups 3.11) that I need to make a change in? Any help > would be very much appreciated. I am using NetScape 2.0 for the Macintosh, and I don't have this problem. I am using the NetScape mail feature to write this message, and everything is OK. I have even been able to transfer my EUDORA mail folders to NetScape without any problem whatsoever. -- *** *** *** Real Rodrigue *** *** *** Services informatises *** *** *** Service des bibliotheques *** *** *** Universite du Quebec a Montreal *** Tel.: 514-987-4554 *** FAX : 514-987-7787 Courrier electronique / E-Mail : Rodrigue.Real@UQAM.CA URL : http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/g17176/Real.html From mtpaul01 at homer.louisville.edu Tue Feb 6 15:59:21 1996 From: mtpaul01 at homer.louisville.edu (Mark Thomas Paul) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:38 2005 Subject: computer locking cables... In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.90.950913144400.23515A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960206145529.20698B-100000@homer.louisville.edu> Recently I posted a question regarding computer locking cables and which version/brand/style was rated better by web4lib subscribers. In summary for the list, several people responded with the brand they are using and other useful suggestions. Thanks to all who responded. Brands from responses are below. By the way, we decided to just order a version from a popular library supply catalog, simply because we have an account with them and their response time is excellent. The version we ordered has a 400 pound resistance glue. As we add more stations or if we experience problems with the version we decided on, we'll consider other brands. ___________________Response summaries________________________ Qualtec LOK-KIT Anchor Pad Technulock (supplied by a Canadian firm) Alpine Security Products ***note: this seattle firm supplies products in the area, but will refer you to their supplier for mail orders.*** Global (catalog) ______________________________________________________________ From CRDLibrary at aol.com Thu Feb 8 08:17:33 1996 From: CRDLibrary at aol.com (CRDLibrary@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Virtual CD Cabinet Message-ID: <960208081733_417537155@mail02.mail.aol.com> To the person out there who thought they may be able to help (I deleted your message ), therefore must send to the whole list, sorry. The problem as I understand it is that the SCSI drivers became corrupted, The computer people say they need to reload them, the manual said you could do this upto 3months after inital installation; ours is over a year maybe two , the manual then said that you can do this if you have a KEY?. However since Virtual has been bought out by Logicraft the support people there a of no help. Hope this explains our problem. Thanks Carol From BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US Thu Feb 8 11:40:16 1996 From: BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US (BOCHERF@MAIL.STATE.WI.US) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Netscape on a server Message-ID: <0003800002787168000004*@MHS> We are using Mosaic because of costs (none) but do have some $$ figures from Netscape. The user license for their LAN version is almost 2x the cost of their stand-alone version ($19 vs. $11). I am well aware of the good, the bad and the ugly of running programs off a server. In this regard, how many of you are running Netscape off a server and what problems have you encountered? Feel free to reply directly to me. -- Bob ____________________________________________________________ Bob Bocher, WI Dept. of Public Instruction, Division for Libraries... Box 7841 Madison, WI 53707 voice: 608-266-2127 fax: 608-267-1052 bocherf@mail.state.wi.us If the above email bounces, try: rbocher@mail.badgerdial.net http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/bob.html From ENGLAND at VM1.NoDak.EDU Thu Feb 8 12:34:15 1996 From: ENGLAND at VM1.NoDak.EDU (Mark England) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Position announcement Message-ID: <9602081738.AA17546@library.berkeley.edu> LIFE SCIENCES LIBRARIAN NDSU North Dakota State University seeks a Life Sciences Librarian II who possesses a strong service orientation with an excellent grasp of the application of information technology in accessing and delivering information. This position reports to the Program Director for Research Services, but works both independently and collaboratively as part of a team to effect change in an ambiguous and dynamic environment. Position responsibilities include: general and specialized reference and research assistance with emphasis on the development and implementation of electronic information resources; providing library and information literacy education services; and serving on Library and University teams and committees. This position supervises the Pharmacy Library and is also responsible for collection development and liaison activities in the life sciences and other subject areas as assigned. Required Qualifications: MLS from an ALA-accredited school and 3 years' professional library experience, or appropriate advanced degree with experience relevant to libraries; background in the life sciences; skill in using electronic information systems; excellent written and oral communication skills; ability to teach; ability to interact effectively with colleagues and clientele. Preferred Qualifications: Degree in life sciences or related area; teaching experience; experience with or knowledge of HTML applications, CD-ROM technology, Internet and networking technologies, and/or programming languages. Salary: $29,000+. Applicants should submit a letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of at least three references to the Office of Human Resources, P.O. Box 5345 University Station, Fargo, ND 58105. For additional information, call (701) 231-8525. NDSU is an equal opportunity institution. To ensure consideration, applications should be received no later than 5:00 p.m., Friday, March 8, 1996. From kperone at roc.rodman.lib.oh.us Thu Feb 8 16:30:13 1996 From: kperone at roc.rodman.lib.oh.us (Karen Perone) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Help! Windows NT server vs. UNIX/Linux server Message-ID: <9602082130.AA05102@roc.rodman.lib.oh.us> I'm posting this as an appeal for help. Our library is proposing a city web site to be set up and housed in the library. Our next meeting is next Friday (Feb. 16). At this meeting, we would like to have a solid proposal on hardware and software costs to give to the group (who hopefully will help contribute to the cost of the server). I have proposed a Windows NT operating system running on a Pentium Pro at either 150 Mhz or 200 Mhz with a 2 GB hard drive. I know that UNIX is more robust, but here is my rationale: I am the systems department. I most likely will be the webmaster. My expertise centers in the DOS/Windows environment. My UNIX experience is VERY limited and is limited to ftp and gopher applications and assigning privileges. Can some of you who have been through this process send me some solid facts of why Windows NT would be best for our operation? We want ease of use, maintenance, and implementation. If I am out of line with my assumption, I'd like reasons why. Thanks for the help! Karen Perone kperone@roc.rodman.lib.oh.us Systems Coordinator Rodman Public Library voice: 216-821-2665 215 E. Broadway Street Alliance, OH 44601 fax: 216-821-5053 From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Thu Feb 8 16:57:00 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <01BAF646.82B73BA0@grey.ohiolink.edu> Have any libraries turned their home pages black as part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't seen anything about it.) Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu Thu Feb 8 17:28:06 1996 From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner || Reference/Publications) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <01BAF646.82B73BA0@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960208172635.1634A-100000@frontier.wilpaterson.edu> On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > Have any libraries turned their home pages black as > part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's > http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't > seen anything about it.) > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > YES. I have! please check it out! Also, check www.cnn.com Road map to my homepage is below! Kurt /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Kurt W. Wagner kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu Librarian (201) 595-2285 William Paterson College of New Jersey www.wilpaterson.edu/wpcpages/library/sarah.htm www.wilpaterson.edu/home/staff/kwagner/kurt.htm /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From cm150 at umail.umd.edu Thu Feb 8 17:27:25 1996 From: cm150 at umail.umd.edu (Chuck Munson) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages References: <01BAF646.82B73BA0@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <311A78CD.3DB5@umail.umd.edu> Thomas Dowling wrote: > > Have any libraries turned their home pages black as > part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's > http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't > seen anything about it.) > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu Our request to turn our main library page and secondary pages black in support of the Blue Ribbon Campaign has been passed on from our director to the folks in Administration. Several members of our Web Board feel very strongly about this issue. The University of Maryland-College Park web site can be reached at: http://www.itd.umd.edu/UMS/UMCP/PUB/umcp_home.html Chuck Munson UMCP Web Board http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ctmunson/ "Free speech is a basic human right that cannot be abridged by governments, courts, constitutions, or force" From jlcox at bird.library.arizona.edu Thu Feb 8 18:38:36 1996 From: jlcox at bird.library.arizona.edu (Jennifer Cox) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <01BAF646.82B73BA0@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.91.960208152620.7855H@augustine.Library.Arizona.EDU> The University of Arizona Library's page is black: http://dizzy.library.arizona.edu/ Jennifer *************************************** Jennifer Cox, Social Sciences Librarian University of Arizona Library Tucson, Arizona 85720-0055 jlcox@bird.library.arizona.edu *************************************** On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > Have any libraries turned their home pages black as > part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's > http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't > seen anything about it.) > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Thu Feb 8 20:10:07 1996 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <9602090110.AA24064@dlapr.state.az.us> Haven't turned my pages black and do not plan to. Have doubts about the efficacy of such a gesture. Is preaching to the converted. Doubt if Senator Exon surfs the net. Beyond these considerations, I do not feel that it is my role to use pages that I developed with taxpayer money to grind my own particular political ax. For all I know, the majority of the taxpayers who employ me may think censoring the web is a terrific idea. But even if they don't, I should no more turn my pages black than I should tile a pic of Hillary C. for wallpaper. Joe ==================================================== Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us Reference Librarian and Webmaster Glendale (Arizona) Public Library http://www.maricopa.gov/glendale/localgov/library/library.htm From hkirk at uno.cc.geneseo.edu Thu Feb 8 20:31:24 1996 From: hkirk at uno.cc.geneseo.edu (Hal Kirkwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <01I0ZF4DZCUA00DS8N@uno.cc.geneseo.edu> The BSchool Web Guide has turned its main pages black. http://www.crimson.com/fen/bus.html -hal >Have any libraries turned their home pages black as >part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's >http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't >seen anything about it.) > >Thomas Dowling >tdowling@ohiolink.edu *************************************************************** Hal Kirkwood hkirk@uno.cc.geneseo.edu * Assistant Librarian * Fraser Library ---- Business/Computer Science/Math * S.U.N.Y. at Geneseo 1 College Circle Geneseo, NY 14454 * Work#716/245-5334 Fax#716/245-5003 * My opinions do not represent the university. * Personal Home Page http://137.238.50.66/~hal/hal.html * *************************************************************** From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Thu Feb 8 21:01:30 1996 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Help! Windows NT server vs. UNIX/Linux server Message-ID: <9602090202.AA30480@library.berkeley.edu> NT is a perfectly good platform for a web server, particularly for someone who is already familiar with Windows. To be fair, what Unix advocates have to say about their systems is largely true--they are usually faster on equivalent hardware, have a wealth of tools and are proven. That said, however, NT and Mac based servers are fast enough, have plenty of tools and are proving to be more than adequate for most tasks. Here are some advantages to using NT: Cost -- It runs on inexpensive, ubiquitous hardware. The Workstation version, which is fine for a web server costs a few hundred dollars--more than Linux, of course, but you'll recoup the difference during the first week in time saved. The servers are a few hundred dollars at most. Some may be given away to libraries and educational institutions. Performance -- Good enough to fill a T1 line with a single Pentium based server. You'll have to have pretty compelling content to generate that kind of load. Simplicity -- Document creation will be harder than setting up either the OS or the server. Expect online help, tabbed dialogs, etc. The documentation won't assume you're a propellor-head. Having a server up in less than half an hour with sample documents wouldn't be unexpected. Convenience -- You can a share your document tree on a network and do your HTML in any Windows based editor--no need to telnet and use vi. :-) Tools -- Perl, TCL, Delphi, Visual Basic, C++, etc. Many commercial and freeware stats programs--eg. wwwusage. A Pentium Pro is massive overkill. A 120MHz Pentium with 32MB of RAM would be quite adequate. Lots of RAM will often make more difference than a faster CPU. Frequently requested files don't have to be fetched from disk that way. We use: 486DX4-100 with 32MB of RAM O'Reilly's WebSite server NT (server version in order to get AppleTalk file services) This machine also runs a name server and SMTP/POP mail. We ran NCSA's httpd on Unix for a year before switching to NT last year. Finally, to assuage any platform fanatics--Unix is great, Macs are great, NT is great--and I'm sure Amigas are too, but I've never tried one. <dousing any embers that might erupt into flames> >I'm posting this as an appeal for help. Our library is proposing a city web >site to be set up and housed in the library. Our next meeting is next Friday >(Feb. 16). At this meeting, we would like to have a solid proposal on hardware >and software costs to give to the group (who hopefully will help contribute to >the cost of the server). I have proposed a Windows NT operating system running >on a Pentium Pro at either 150 Mhz or 200 Mhz with a 2 GB hard drive. > >I know that UNIX is more robust, but here is my rationale: >I am the systems department. I most likely will be the webmaster. My expertise >centers in the DOS/Windows environment. My UNIX experience is VERY limited and >is limited to ftp and gopher applications and assigning privileges. > >Can some of you who have been through this process send me some solid facts of >why Windows NT would be best for our operation? We want ease of use, >maintenance, and implementation. If I am out of line with my assumption, I'd >like reasons why. > >Thanks for the help! >Karen Perone kperone@roc.rodman.lib.oh.us >Systems Coordinator >Rodman Public Library voice: 216-821-2665 >215 E. Broadway Street >Alliance, OH 44601 fax: 216-821-5053 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ellis Computer Services Technician Phone: 604.231.6410 Richmond Public Library Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca Richmond, British Columbia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at info.anu.edu.au Thu Feb 8 21:05:34 1996 From: tony at info.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <v0211011fad405a975ce8@[150.203.148.77]> At 09:13 96/02/09, Thomas Dowling wrote: >Have any libraries turned their home pages black as >part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's >http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't >seen anything about it.) Well I've turned MY home page black but not that of the Library as its a US problem and it would be inappropratie for an institution in Australia to butt in on your domestic problems. After all we can still corrupt your children even if its illegal for you to. There must be a message there somewhere. Tony __________________________________________________________________________ Tony Barry URL:http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Centre for Networked Information and Publishing & also Centre for Networked Access to Scholarly Information fone +61 6 249 4632 Australian National University Library phax +61 6 279 8120 Canberra A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au From lspesard at server.library.arizona.edu Thu Feb 8 14:18:54 1996 From: lspesard at server.library.arizona.edu (Leo Eugene Spesard) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <D91F66C6D@library.Arizona.EDU> The provisions of the legislation provide some protection to service and content providers, but only if you take an active role in censoring information. Do you think your library has the time and resources to supervise everyone using a browser? Are you going to have to turn of the option to download files because you can't prevent the downloading of materials that are now baned? This bill puts significant burdens on libraries that will either cause you to eliminate services or divert resources toward censorship of them. Will your taxpayers like that? Aside from the sense of moral outrage that many of us feel about this law, there are pratical reasons for libraries to oppose it. > Beyond these considerations, I do not feel that it is my role to use > pages that I developed with taxpayer money to grind my own > particular political ax. For all I know, the majority of the taxpayers > who employ me may think censoring the web is a terrific idea. > But even if they don't, I should no more turn my pages black than > I should tile a pic of Hillary C. for wallpaper. > > Joe > > > ==================================================== > Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us > Reference Librarian and Webmaster > Glendale (Arizona) Public Library > http://www.maricopa.gov/glendale/localgov/library/library.htm > > > Gene Spesard <lspesard@library.Arizona.EDU> Library Information Systems University of Arizona Library 1510 E. University Tucson, AZ 85720-0055 Phone: (520) 621-4872 Fax: (520) 621-9733 From thom at indiana.edu Thu Feb 8 22:18:03 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:39 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <9602090110.AA24064@dlapr.state.az.us> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960208221503.12560C-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Joe Schallan wrote: > Haven't turned my pages black and do not plan to. > > Have doubts about the efficacy of such a gesture. Is preaching to the > converted. Doubt if Senator Exon surfs the net. So Joe what do you think the efficacy of _no_ gesture is? Right around zero in my book. > Beyond these considerations, I do not feel that it is my role to use > pages that I developed with taxpayer money to grind my own > particular political ax. For all I know, the majority of the taxpayers > who employ me may think censoring the web is a terrific idea. > But even if they don't, I should no more turn my pages black than > I should tile a pic of Hillary C. for wallpaper. Cute. Maybe read Meeks article and think about efficacy one way or the other. **** [Parental advisory: Brock is being his usual profane self. The first half is a funny rant; the second half contains useful information about the censorship provisions in the telecom bill.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help@weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:17:43 -0800 From: "Brock N. Meeks" <brock@well.com> To: cwd-l@cyberwerks.com Subject: CWD--We're Not in Kansas Anymore CyberWire Dispatch // Copyright (c) 1996 // Jacking in from the "Abandon All Hope" Port: Washington, DC -- Forty-eight hours and a half bottle of Jack Daniel's into my 40th birthday and suddenly I knew what I had to do: Compress my pending mid-life crisis into one white hot shining moment. So I filed a lawsuit against the United States of America, calling the bluff of this bastard Congress, claiming the indecency provisions contained in the Telecommunications Act of 1996 are unconstitutional. And so it is. On Wednesday Dispatch becomes a plaintiff in a legal tussle for free speech in cyberspace. The American Civil Liberties Union is doing the heavylifting; a handful of others will be keeping me company. Before President Clinton can drop the signing pen for this rat-fucked piece of legislation on Thursday, the suits at the ACLU will be marching into court, papers in hand. Having worked myself into a lather over this on the strength of a strange voodoo rhythm that only Pat Buchanan stumping in Louisiana before hordes of gun worshiping gay bashers could love, a sudden evil chill crawled up my spine. My Gwad! What if I've been set up? Yes, that's it. The timing of this millstone legislation was calculated to pass just inside the morose window of my birthday. I'm being purposefully driven mad. But who could harbor such a grudge? Who would be devious and cunning enough to yank Sen. Bob Dole's chain and make him delay the vote just long enough for me to turn 40? There could only be one answer: Mike Nelson, the Administration's point man on encryption policy and a former staffer for Vice President Gore when he was just a second-class Senator from a third rate state. Nelson, you see, is fond of introducing me as "the most dangerous man on the Net." Clever, but he stole the line from my Mother or ex-wife... but I digress. Yes, it has to be him. Seizing the moment, I knew there was only one thing to do: Alert the President before he signed this bill, thus becoming an unwitting dupe in Nelson's twisted plot to turn my brain into gruel. But I needed a plan. I knew that if I could only talk to Bill, chat him up face to face, maybe share one of those contraband Cuban cigars the CIA smuggles in for him, all would be right with the world. He'd see he was just a pawn and not only veto the bill, but he'd rush to the Rose Garden, tear the mother into shreds and feed it to the Republicans. Around 11 p.m. I made my way to the front gate of the White House. "I have an urgent message for the President," I said, "I need to see him immediately." The guard was not amused and fumbled for what must have been an Uzi resting under his overcoat. "I'm with the press," I said. I dug for my credentials and flashed them. Now the guard's grip began to tighten on a weapon outlawed-for-all-sane-people and barked at me something about a joke that could get me 5-10 in the slammer. I looked at my press credentials. Egad! I'd flashed my Diner's Club Card! I couldn't bullshit my way out of this, no use trying, I slunk away. It was just about midnight that I thought of the rats. The plan was deceptively simple. I'd scrawl an urgent message in paragraphs, attach one each to a rat, bag the lot and toss the entire rodent tribe over the White House fence with instructions not to stop until they had stormed their way inside. The logistics worked fine, on paper; however, I suddenly realized that once inside the White House no one would be able to tell the rats from the White House Press Corps. I ditched the plan. That was when a cat leapt from an alley. He looked strikingly like the First Cat Socks. I pounced on him. Fate would not be so generous again. This was an omen. My plan now entailed tying my entire message around the neck of this Socks-Imposter. The rest would be easy. First, I put masking tape on the bottom of the cat's feet. Next, I had to calculate the trajectory for tossing this beast over the fence and onto the White House lawn. Now this is not an easy task for a 40-year-old, lathered and booze-addled, mathematically challenged journalist. The Arc of the Cat, you see, is crucial. Too high and he'd be caught in the radar that now guards against low flying single engine planes with a habit of making unscheduled landings on the front lawn. Any blip on that early warning radar and a surface to air missile launches from just inside the White House tree line. The missile, I figured, would do serious damage to the note. No, the Arc of the Cat had to barely clear the fence, yet land squarely on the lawn. If I was lucky, once on the ground the cat would begin to writhe in spastic convulsions due to the masking tape on the bottom of its paws; cats hate this, it drives them fucking nuts. [Disclaimer: Kids, Do Not try this at home with Muffy. You have been warned.] This twisted feline mambo was important for two reasons. One, it would make the cat a much tougher target for any of a number of snipers that camp on the roofs of all tall buildings within the line of sight of the White House. Yes, they're there, watching through night scopes, ready and willing to drill any intruder. Secondly, the cat's crazed dance would immediately set off the motion detectors and the Secret Service would come running. They'd discover "Socks" and rush him inside to the First Family's private residence. Clinton, being the curious man he is, would take note of the message around the "Socks-Imposter" and no doubt phone the front gate and have me summoned to his private chambers, offer me a Cuban contraband cigar and praise me for having saved him one of the greatest humiliations of his presidency. And it would have worked, too, but I didn't factor in the cat's unwillingness to become a feline projectile. At the top of his arc, the cat pulled off a perfect pike maneuver that would have a former East German diving judge cough up a perfect "10." This mutant furball careened off the top of the fence and hauled ass down Pennsylvania Ave. Dejected, I resigned myself to the only recourse I have left: Dispatch. Pee Wee Herman In An Overcoat ============================= There are so many things wrong with this bill that it's hard to know where to start. Of course the anti-indecency provisions are by now well-known. Say a dirty word on-line, go directly to jail. Hell, reading this Dispatch or forwarding it to a friend could land net you 2 years behind bars and set you back $250,000. In addition, seems Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Ill.) snuck in a sentence that, theoretically, makes it a crime to also send any language dealing with abortion through cyberspace. This apparently due to something called the Comstock Act, which was put in place about the same time all those laws that made spitting on the sidewalk a crime also passed into law, somewhere around the around the turn of the century. But court decisions have rendered Comstock obsolete, yet it's still officially on the books. Hyde's staff swear up and down that they added the provision at the behest of the Justice Department, yet they can produce no proof. Hyde promised that the provision wasn't meant to forestall abortion information. Small catch... as long as Roe v. Wade stands as law, that's true. But if that ruling is overturned, and it is under constant assault, the Comstock Act is given new life. Now here's a thought: Hyde is an ardent supporter of overturning Roe v. Wade... so you figure out the real implications here. You Call This Deregulatory? ========================= Although supporters of this bill insist that it is deregulatory, don't believe it. First of all, congressional sources conspired at the last moment, and in secret, with no debate and with no mention in public meetings, to make sure the there was nothing in the bill that would keep the FCC from *regulating* the Internet. David Lynch, Rep. John Dingell's (D-Mich.) telecom staffer, told me point blank that the bill "does not limit the FCC's ability to regulate the Internet." As if that weren't enough, Lynch vamped on: "If the Internet starts looking like a telephone company we might have to start looking at regulating it like one." Two words: Internet Telephone. You figure out the rest. Suffice to say, Congress set us all up with this bill. They've painted a huge red bullseye on the Net and when Clinton signs the bill, hunting season is open. Want more arcane bullshit? Okay, here it is. In a 22-page document titled "FCC Proceedings and Actions Required by the Telecommunications Act of 1996," the law firm of Wiley, Rein and Fielding outlines 69 separate *regulatory* "proceedings or actions" the FCC must undertake because of this bill. It covers everything from "Delegation of Ship Inspections to Private Parties" to setting standards for the so-called "V" Chip (yet another government mandated censorship program) to figuring out how much providers of interactive services will be allowed to charge schools, health care providers and libraries (hint: they get a discount, but the percentage is left up to the FCC.) Of course, the Congress doesn't mention that later this year it will hold hearings aimed at cutting the FCC off at the knees, both in funding and oversight capability. How the hell can this bill be carried out as written if the agency charged with its implementation is effectively castrated? Answer: It can't. Anyone want to give odds that this was just coincidence? Jobs, Jobs, Jobs ============== Another myth about this "obscene act" is that it will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Listen close, you'll hear Clinton and Gore each say this at Thursday's signing, I'll bet a sack of rats on it. If we just talk straight numbers, yes, the bill does create jobs. But look closer, look at it like Labor Secretary Robert Reih would and ask yourself what are the *quality* of these jobs. Answer: pathetic. Although some of the jobs this bill creates will be high paying, technical jobs, most will be low paying, non-union jobs. Digging ditches to lay new cables, new fiber. Construction jobs for installing wireless towers. Sales jobs up the ass, all on commission no doubt. Customer representative jobs, again, low paying, tedious non-union jobs. Why? Because the phone companies, for one, will create separate subsidiaries which they don't have to staff with union employees. And most manual labor jobs aren't union anyway. A lot of jobs will come from the wireless industry. Again, non-union and low paying, for the most part, building infrastructure, sales force, etc. Howard Stern's Private Parts ========================== Although Howard Stern's privacy (is this an oxymoron?) isn't in question here, your privacy is. The bill basically allows the telephone companies to use the data they have on you in any way they see fit, with one caveat: They must provide the same access to that information to competitors, if asked. As long as they don't hog all your private data, such as how many times you call Domino's Pizza or whether you're an avid QVC network shopper, they can sell your data to just about anyone and use it internal in ways that should make your skin crawl. This is all laid out in admittedly banal Congress speak: "A local exchange carrier (that's your local phone company) may use, disclose, or permit access to aggregate customer information... only if it provides such aggregate information to other carriers or persons on reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms and conditions up reasonable request therefore." In other words, bend over and kiss your sweet aggregate good-bye. Now, I have to go... there's a cat running around Washington with incriminating evidence tied to its neck, no doubt rummaging through a White House garbage can, and I have to track him down. Meeks out... From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu Sun Feb 11 14:29:04 1996 From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner-Reference/Electronic Resources) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:41 2005 Subject: Response to WWW/ILL requests Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960211142513.7590B-100000@frontier.wilpaterson.edu> As are many libraries, we are preparing to inaugurate ILL requests through our web page. Some housekeeping/management issues arise. To whom are the requests routed (direct to ILL?). What has your volume of requests been like since adding this service? What issues/problems have come out since adding this service? Any mistakes we should try to avoid? Any advice from those who've done it? TIA Kurt /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Kurt W. Wagner kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu Reference Librarian/Electronic Resources (201)595-2285 William Paterson College of New Jersey www.wilpaterson.edu/wpcpages/library/sarah.htm www.wilpaterson.edu/home/staff/kwagner/kurt.htm /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From cwt at exis.net Sun Feb 11 23:39:26 1996 From: cwt at exis.net (C. W. Tazewell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:41 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960211233516.19863A-100000@Sailfish.Exis.Net> FYI - Bill. The Hampton Roads Central Library (You don't drive to it; you point to it.) Your *REASON* to have the Internet Digital Library of Hampton Roads E A S Y L I N K S Front Entrance Your WWW Hotlist http://wwwp.exis.net/~cwt/ http://www.infi.net/~cwt/easylink.html ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 FEB 1996 00:53:53 GMT From: dplast@exis.net Newsgroups: va.general Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (NOT!) > dplast@exis.net writes: > cmerrit@exis.net (Charles W. Merritt) writes: > Feb.04, 1996 > My Fellow Virginians and Netizens > Our freedom of speech has been taken away from us. Did you realize this. > This past week our Federal lawmakers passed new federal law that made it a > crime to take about abortion on the Internet. > My thanks to Charles W Merritt for providing these 2 links with more on the abortion on the internet subject: #1. //www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/index.html#cda and #2.//www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/schroeder_020696_comstock.announce After reviewing them, I found the following excerpt from the Congressional Record to be most interesting, and IMHO, indicative that the new bill does NOT prohibit discussions of abortion on the Internet, any more than it prohibits such discussions in the US Mail. Don Plaster, VA Beach ============================================ February 1, 1996 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -- HOUSE Mr HYDE. * * * Mr. Speaker, I am happy to yield to the gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. LOWEY] for the purpose of engaging in a colloquy. Mrs. LOWEY. Mr Speaker, I would like to congratulate the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. BLILEY], the chiarman of the committee, and other members of the conference in bringing this very important conference report to the floor today. However, I would like to bring to your attention one section that is very troubling to me. Section 507 amends the preexisting section of the Criminal Code (18 U.S.C. 1462) and applies it to the Internet. Now, it was my understanding that your intent behind adopting this provision was to place reasonable restrictions on obscenity and indecency on the Internet. I support this goal. However, a section of this act may be constured to curb discussions about abortion. It seems to me this provision would certainly be unconsitutional. Mr. HYDE. Well, reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, I certainly agree with the gentlewoman that any discussion about abortion, both pro-life and pro-choice rights, is protected by the First Amendment guarantee of free speech; and I certainly agree, nothing in title V should be interpreted to inhibit free speech about the topic of abortion. Further, it is correct that our principal intent in adopting this provision was to curb the spread of obscenity and indecency, speech that is not protected by the first amendment, from the Internet in order to protect our children. [...] Concerns have been raised about the amendment to 18 U.S.C. Section 1462 regarding an interactive computer service. Section 1462 generally prohbiots the importation or transportation of obscene matter. Subsection 1462(c) prohibits the importation or interstate carriage of "any drug, medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, or intended for producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral use; or any written or printed card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet, advertisement, or notice of any kind giving away information, directly or indirectlym wherem howm or of whom, or by what means any of such mentioned articles, matters or things may be obtained or made***." We are talking about the advertisement, sale or procurement of drugs or medical instruments or devices used to bring about an abortion, This language in no way is intended to inhibit free speech about the topic of abortion, nor in any way to limit medical or scientific discourse on the Internet. This amendment to subsection 1462(c) does not prohibit serious discussions about the moral questions surrounding abortion, the act of abortion itself, or the constitutionality of abortion. This statutory language prohibits the use of an interactive computer service for the explicit purpose of selling, procuring or facilitating the sale of drugs, medicines or other devices intended for use in producing abortions. The statutory language is confined to those commercial activities already covered in section 1462(c) of title 18 and in now way interferes with the freedom of individuals to discuss the general topic of abortion on the Internet. [end Congressional Record snippets] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Don Plaster dplast@exis.net http://wwwp.exis.net/~dplast/ Virginia Beach, VA Home Schooler and Data Normalizer Life's @ Beach! Extrordinaire -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From riddle at is.rice.edu Fri Feb 16 08:29:43 1996 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:44 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems In-Reply-To: <m0tnCgP-000TxEC@marlowe.wimsey.com> from "Denis F. kirk" at Feb 15, 96 03:20:10 pm Message-ID: <199602161329.HAA23424@brazos.is.rice.edu> > From web4lib@library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 15 17:22:55 1996 > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:20:10 -0800 > From: dkirk@wimsey.com (Denis F. kirk) > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems > > This Subject: "Surfwatch and other Internet rating systems" is > incorrect and a bit misleading. Surfwatch is the name of a commercial > Internet filter program and has nothing to do with Internet Rating. I used the phrase "Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems" based on the typology of the Internet Parental Control FAQ: http://www.vtw.org/pubs/ipcfaq The IPCFAQ distinguishes between several kinds of proposed technological solutions to the problem: Proof of age/shielding systems Proprietary environments Phrase detection systems Third party ratings systems Under this typology, both Surfwatch and SafeSurf are "rating systems". There are many others. Please see the IPCFAQ for details. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. From millarj at lib.muohio.edu Fri Feb 16 11:10:52 1996 From: millarj at lib.muohio.edu (John Millard) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:44 2005 Subject: Searching your Web pages Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960216105949.20766D-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 Ian Winship wrote: >If there is a facility to search the text of your institution's Web pages I >would be pleased to know what search engine is used and where the >software, or >further details of it, can be found. I've just finished writing a PERL gateway script that provides a web interface to the SWISH search software. The wwwwais gateway will also work, but I needed to access the neat features of swish (like limiting to html tags) I also needed to be able to easily customize the interface and the format of returned records. PERL worked well. The script itself is almost ready to be distributed. If anyone wants it, send me email. In addition to the script, you'll have to install and configure SWISH (Simple Web Indexing System for Humans) written by Kevin Hughes. You can find more information at URL: http://www.eit.com/goodies/software/swish/swish.html -John :o:-------------------------------------------------------------:o: : : John Millard : : :o: Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian :o: : : Miami University : : :o: Oxford, OH :o: : :-------------------------------------------------------------: : :o: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/~millarj/ :o: :o:-------------------------------------------------------------:o: From jgladsto at nal.usda.gov Fri Feb 16 12:20:58 1996 From: jgladsto at nal.usda.gov (John Gladstone) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:44 2005 Subject: Searching your Web pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960216105949.20766D-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960216121730.17148C-100000@cliff> In performing a side by side comparison of a single directory and limiting the index to only .html files I found swish returned about 12% fewer hits than WAISQ. I first noticed this on a larger scale across our whole website, but wanted to control the index to make sure I wasn't comparing apples and oranges. Has anyone else had similar or differing results when swish is compared to wais or glimpse? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Gladstone /jgladsto@nal.usda.gov National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Blvd Beltsville, Md. 20705-2351 301/504-5462 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, John Millard wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 Ian Winship wrote: > > >If there is a facility to search the text of your institution's Web pages I > >would be pleased to know what search engine is used and where the > >software, or > >further details of it, can be found. > > > I've just finished writing a PERL gateway script that provides a web > interface to the SWISH search software. The wwwwais gateway will also > work, but I needed to access the neat features of swish (like limiting to > html tags) > > I also needed to be able to easily customize the interface and the format > of returned records. PERL worked well. > > The script itself is almost ready to be distributed. If anyone wants it, > send me email. > > In addition to the script, you'll have to install and configure SWISH > (Simple Web Indexing System for Humans) written by Kevin Hughes. You > can find more information at > URL: http://www.eit.com/goodies/software/swish/swish.html > > -John > :o:-------------------------------------------------------------:o: > : : John Millard : : > :o: Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian :o: > : : Miami University : : > :o: Oxford, OH :o: > : :-------------------------------------------------------------: : > :o: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/~millarj/ :o: > :o:-------------------------------------------------------------:o: > > > > > From ceike at artic.edu Fri Feb 16 13:08:04 1996 From: ceike at artic.edu (Claire M. Eike) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:44 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages Message-ID: <199602161808.MAA21336@dune.artic.edu> Re: Searching your web pages We (http://www.artic.edu) are using a program called Excite, but we are currently reconfiguring it and it is currently offline. It is very easy to install and updates itself regularly, in cron. Here is a small quote from the excite web page (http://www.excite.com/): Excite is a new generation of web navigation software from Architext. It gives your web server the same advanced search capabilities used on Netscape, HotWired, Sega and other hot web sites. All in a high-performance package that's incredibly easy to install and maintain. Manuel A. Hernandez Network Administrator mhernandez@artic.edu Art Institute of Chicago (312) 629-6552 111 S. Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60603 irc: teeze #art http://www.artic.edu/~mhernand From cdm at innet.be Tue Feb 27 13:47:50 1996 From: cdm at innet.be (cdm@innet.be) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <Chameleon.960227105246.cdm@innet.be@.194.7.1.4> Our public administration produces a lot of documents and tests. An electronic archive with a full search engine and an electronic workflow system could be useful. Has anyone heard of good software to resolve such problems? I've heard of Lotus Notes, Verity, Groupwise, Aries, Trisoft, Haessler. Are the Netscape applications really a good alternative? Database management seems to be a problem. Thanks. From list at index.ping.dk Tue Feb 27 05:53:05 1996 From: list at index.ping.dk (Index Data) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: ff Message-ID: <m0trN1m-00013rC@index.ping.dk> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 2901 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960227/423dda78/attachment.bat From LABARBER at LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA Tue Feb 27 12:23:25 1996 From: LABARBER at LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA (LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <01I1PJG4NMNM0001UU@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA> I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to (1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document from the HTML version. This would be a great help to keeping our paper documentation as current as the electronic version. If this has already been done somewhere, please excuse my oversight. Cheers, Lynn ================================================================================ (Mr.) Lynn A. Barber net: labarber@lib.lakeheadu.ca Web Committee fax: (807)343-8007 Lakehead University Library tel: (807)343-8251 Thunder Bay, Ont. P7B 5E1 ================================================================================ From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 27 13:48:39 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <01BB051C.98C08E80@grey.ohiolink.edu> Step 1) is hard enough (paper to HTML). Step 2) is where you will lose control over document appearance. Since HTML exerts no control over font selection, and little control over font size, and since no major browser has seen fit to support all the HTML 3.0 justification options, I don't think you'll get what you want. If this is a project you're willing to put some time and effort into, check out Adobe Acrobat (start at http://www.adobe.com/). OTOH, many institutions are just learning to live with the degree of control the web gives them over their documents; it actually gets some people to stop endless tinkering with page layout and write content. Thomas Dowling <font face="Wingdings">J</font> ==================================================== ---------- From: LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA[SMTP:LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 1996 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to (1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document from the HTML version. This would be a great help to keeping our paper documentation as current as the electronic version. If this has already been done somewhere, please excuse my oversight. Cheers, Lynn ================================================================================ (Mr.) Lynn A. Barber net: labarber@lib.lakeheadu.ca Web Committee fax: (807)343-8007 Lakehead University Library tel: (807)343-8251 Thunder Bay, Ont. P7B 5E1 ================================================================================ From mcleod at maine.maine.edu Tue Feb 27 14:40:59 1996 From: mcleod at maine.maine.edu (Jen McLeod) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: NEEDED: HTTP server error definitions Message-ID: <9602271940.AA12914@kramer.ume.maine.edu> Hello! Can anyone tell me where to find a listing of definitions of the various HTTP server errors one runs into on the WWW? (404, 601, etc. etc. You know the ones I mean! :) ) Thank you very much! *************************************** Jen "there can be only one" McLeod University of Maine Fogler Library http://libinfo.ume.maine.edu/~mcleodj/ "If you insist on dating younger men, expect some immaturity. Just like dating older men." From Harry_M_Kriz at vt.edu Tue Feb 27 15:01:48 1996 From: Harry_M_Kriz at vt.edu (Harry M. Kriz) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960227200148.00680fd0@mail.vt.edu> At 10:41 AM 2/27/96 -0800, LABARBER wrote: >I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to >(1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that >document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. >that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document >from the HTML version. I have had reasonable success doing this with Internet Assistant for Microsoft Word for Windows. Taking a document designed to be printed and converting it to HTML is trivial. You just save it as an HTML file in Word. Of course, any special formatting you are using has to be possible in HTML, and inserting graphics may require some additional effort. I created a single ASCII file version of a multipage hypertext document by capturing each page in Internet Assistant, combining them all into a single Word document, and then changing the document template for the combined document to one that I use for ASCII files. This all depends on suitable redefinition and management of styles and copying style definitions from the template into the newly constructed document. A major problem is that the stylistic conventions for producing a hypertext document can be quite different from producing one for printing. It all depends on the nature of the content. One question for instance is how to handle hyperlinks with URL's that may be hidden in the hypertext version but need to be explicitly displayed in the printed version. --Harry From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Tue Feb 27 15:37:10 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy In-Reply-To: <01I1PJG4NMNM0001UU@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960227143240.13207B-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA wrote: > I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to > (1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that > document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. > that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document > from the HTML version. Well - yes and no. Yes, you can transfer a document into ascii text, stick it in the body of your html document, and adjust some basics, like bold/italic characters, font size (to a certain extent), paragraph breaks, etc. But, unless the document is very basic, it won't look the same unless you scan the document and set it up as a gif file. HTML is limited in that you're stuck with one basic font, are relegated to block paragraphs, etc. Feel free, anyone, to correct me if I'm wrong ... ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From crosbie at AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Tue Feb 27 14:41:11 1996 From: crosbie at AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU (Bill Crosbie) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <01I1POM1CUEQ005MGI@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> At 12:13 PM 2/27/96 -0800, Harry M. Kriz wrote: > >At 10:41 AM 2/27/96 -0800, LABARBER wrote: >>I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to >>(1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that >>document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. >>that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document >>from the HTML version. > > While I agree with Tom that HTML is about content, not presentation, here is a recent release that might make it easier to do what you had mentioned. MICROSOFT EXTENDS TRUETYPE FONTS TO THE WEB, ENABLING RICHER WEB PAGES From: PR Newswire /FROM PR NEWSWIRE LOS ANGELES 213-626-5500/ TO BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY EDITORS: MICROSOFT EXTENDS TRUETYPE FONTS TO THE WEB, ENABLING RICHER WEB PAGES Forty Industry Leaders Including Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia and Oracle Support Solution Based on Industry-Standard TrueType Technology BOSTON, Feb. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) today announced that its TrueType(R) font technology has been extended to the World Wide Web, allowing designers to create great-looking Web pages that consumers can view -- even if they haven't bought the specific typefaces for their PCs. Forty industry leaders -- including Hewlett-Packard Company, Macromedia and Oracle Corp. -- have announced support for the Microsoft(R) solution. The TrueType-for-the-Web solution will include a core set of no-charge fonts designed for superb on-screen appearance and readability; embedding technology that downloads TrueType fonts to consumer PCs as needed; and a royalty-free cross-platform licensing program for Microsoft's high-performance TrueType rasterizer, which allows all platforms to support TrueType technology. "For too long, Web designers were free to use any font -- as long as it was Times," said Brad Silverberg, senior vice president of the Internet platform and tools division at Microsoft. "Web designers have been demanding the same typographic flexibility on the Web as they have in print and in other PC applications. By extending the industry- standard TrueType technology to the Web, we have combined the best of Windows(R) with the best of the Internet to unleash a new generation of dazzling creativity, style and individuality on Web pages that will make the Internet a more attractive and compelling place to be." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "For my purpose holds to sail Bill Crosbie beyond the sunset, and the baths Network/Microcomputer Analyst of all the western stars, Chang Science Library until I die." ~ Tennyson Rutgers University crosbie@aesop.rutgers.edu 908-932-0305 x114 From hillaryh at sun470.sme.org Tue Feb 27 15:24:55 1996 From: hillaryh at sun470.sme.org (Hillary Handwerger) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy In-Reply-To: <01I1PJG4NMNM0001UU@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960227152215.4737C-100000@sun470> I think you can get a very close approximation of a current document using HTML. YOu have to remember that the browsers format the screens you see so that they will vary from computer screen to computer screen depending upon the size of the screen. The same is true depending upon the margins set up on the printers. So you can get a very close copy, but you can't always be sure it will show up on everyones screen or printout exactly the way you see it. Good luck. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hillary Handwerger hillaryh@sme.org Society of Manufacturing Engineers-- CoNDUIT Project 313 271-1500 ext 597 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA wrote: > I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to > (1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that > document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. > that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document > from the HTML version. > > This would be a great help to keeping our paper documentation as current as > the electronic version. > > If this has already been done somewhere, please excuse my oversight. > > > Cheers, > > Lynn > > ================================================================================ > (Mr.) Lynn A. Barber net: labarber@lib.lakeheadu.ca > Web Committee fax: (807)343-8007 > Lakehead University Library tel: (807)343-8251 > Thunder Bay, Ont. > P7B 5E1 > ================================================================================ > From mschaefe at popserver.Stanford.EDU Tue Feb 27 06:07:32 1996 From: mschaefe at popserver.Stanford.EDU (Malgorzata Schaefer) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: Header info Message-ID: <v02140b11ad58966ae06c@[36.32.0.52]> Hi! I'm relatively new also and have a related question pertaining to a small business who wants to create an electronic library. My job is to provide what the header info should look like so that it will make it easy for future upgrades to the data base implementation as well as provide faster searches with the existing database engine by searching through the headers instead of full text. Does anyone know of a format for such a header? Is there a business oriented thesauri that could be used as subject headings? Any and all info would be greatly appreciated (and in a hurry!) Thank you. Malgorzata Schaefer >Hello! I am new to this list, and may have missed previous discussions >on this topic. I am looking for information on digital libraries, >specifically--is there any _public library_ out there in the process of >digitizing all or part of its collection? There are a lot of large >institutions currently engaged in digital library projects, but I am >trying to obtain information on small scale endeavours. Any practical >information/contacts/advice would be greatly appreciated. Please mail >any messages to the address below. > >Thank you in advance! > >----------------------------------------- >Jennifer Gray >School of Library & Information Studies >Dalhousie University >Halifax, Nova Scotia > >JLGRAY@is.dal.ca >----------------------------------------- From basila at rpi.edu Tue Feb 27 17:14:28 1996 From: basila at rpi.edu (Abbie Basile) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: Web page: LITA Internet Resources Group Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960227171418.194320A-100000@matisse.its.rpi.edu> ** This has been cross-posted to several lists. Sorry for duplications.** The new ALA/LITA Internet Resources Interest Group now has a Web page: http://www.rpi.edu/~basila/lita/netgroup.html Please check it out if you're interested in finding out about our group's activities and/or our January Midwinter meeting, which focused on "How to Organize Internet Resources," and featured Srinija Srivasan, Head of Cataloguing for Yahoo!, (Hopefully this will stem the tide of email I'm getting about this group. :) thanks - abbie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abbie Basile Information Services Librarian Folsom Library, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, NY 12180 basila@rpi.edu (518) 276-8323 voice (518) 276-8559 fax From v9100055 at athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de Tue Feb 27 17:56:24 1996 From: v9100055 at athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Ulrich Babiak) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <199602272256.AA25117@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de> At 10:29 27.02.1996 -0800, you wrote: >I am curious, after being given the challenge, to learn if it is possible to >(1) transfer a paper copy of a document into HTML and then (2) recreate that >document from the HTML version using the same font size, justification, etc. >that was there in the original document: i.e. recreate the original document >from the HTML version. In addition to the postings suggesting Acrobat for this purpose, I would like to point out another interesting feature of new web servers: While you can serve PDF from any WWW-Server, some of the single files are too big to handle. Newer Web Servers (for example WebSite) come with support for "byte range" serving - that means, they can serve just a specific part of a file. This solution seems to fit perfectly for inhouse publishing - once all the workstations have their pdf/amber - reader set up, you can easily publish anything without having to play around with html. This is theory for me - I am still waiting for Acrobat to be delivered to my office ... but has anyone here ever used this feature sucessfully? Uli -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulrich Babiak, v9100055@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de, Tel. 49 221 405634 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cim at c3serve.c3.lanl.gov Tue Feb 27 19:08:20 1996 From: cim at c3serve.c3.lanl.gov (Carlos I McEvilly) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy In-Reply-To: <01I1POM1CUEQ005MGI@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960227170614.21168C-100000@cic3a.c3.lanl.gov> On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Bill Crosbie wrote: > While I agree with Tom that HTML is about content, not presentation, here is > a recent release that might make it easier to do what you had mentioned. And there is another press release today, from Netscape, Adobe, and Apple, that says they are getting together to do the same kind of thing. I won't paste it in here but you can find it at Adobe's web site, http://www.adobe.com/ under press what's new -> press releases. Carlos McEvilly cim@lanl.gov From jmc at poe.acc.virginia.edu Tue Feb 27 16:59:20 1996 From: jmc at poe.acc.virginia.edu (Jim Campbell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <199602272159.QAA58226@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU> MICROSOFT EXTENDS TRUETYPE FONTS TO THE WEB, ENABLING RICHER WEB PAGES Forty Industry Leaders Including Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia and Oracle Support Solution Based on Industry-Standard TrueType Technology BOSTON, Feb. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) today announced that its TrueType(R) font technology has been extended to the World Wide Web, allowing designers to create great-looking Web pages that consumers can view -- even if they haven't bought the specific typefaces for their PCs. Forty industry leaders -- including Lord, it's not enough that I have to strain to read pink type on chartreuse backgrounds, now it's going to be in weird typefaces too! Well, maybe there will be a Turn Off Fonts option. - Jim Campbell (campbell@virginia.edu) (Yes, I know it seems trivial and a waste of bandwidth to send this, but it's a cry from the heart. I've just spent half an hour with some pages that clearly were never meant to be read.) From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Feb 27 21:04:39 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: WWW-based scheduling, timesheet tool? Message-ID: <v01530517ad5967084098@[204.97.113.29]> Does anyone use (or has anyone written) WWW-based desk scheduling and/or timesheet tools? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.bluehighways.com/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) From monica at eterna.com.au Wed Feb 28 00:03:36 1996 From: monica at eterna.com.au (monica green) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:51 2005 Subject: Promoting Library Use on Websites Message-ID: <199602280503.QAA18351@eterna.com.au> This mailing list seems great at promoting WWW use in libraries. Do you have examples of websites & pages that promote library use? I would be interested in collecting examples of these. Please send them to my address at monica@eterna.com.au If others are interested I would be willing to gather the information and post, or send the information via e-mail. Feel free to pass this message on to your library's Public Relations department, if they are interested, I'll send copies of the final report to them (or via you to them.) Since I am in Australia, I am limiting the sending of the information from myself to those with e-mail addresses, but will not mind if the information is passed on to others via different methods. Regards, Monica K. Green Example found on URL http://www.pbs.org/rogers/booklist.html These remarks were at the end of a booklist for children. --- Beginning of Example --- Dr. Margaret Kimmel of the University of Pittsburgh School of Library Science was a great help in recommending books. We thank her for sharing her wide knowledge of books and children. Dr. Kimmel is co-author of the book, "For Reading Out Loud: A Guide to Sharing Books With Children." Published by Delacorte Press, it is full of helpful hints for reading to children and contains an extensive list of recommended books. Besides these suggestions, you might want to take advantage of your local library and consider a field trip there. The best way to begin is by making a relationship with the librarian. You might even want to invite her to your center or child care home, so she can get to know your situation. Since the librarian has probably had experience with groups of children at the library, she might be able to give you some ideas that can help smooth your visit there. She may also suggest times in her day that would be best for your field trip. Think about asking the librarian for books that might help a child who is going through a new or difficult experience or when there's something specific you want to talk about with the children. Librarians can be a handy resource for you, all through the year, and they like to be of help to the people in their communities, especially to people like you who work with children. --- End of Example --- From Riitta.Alkula at vtt.fi Thu Feb 1 03:40:57 1996 From: Riitta.Alkula at vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Journals on web Message-ID: <199602010840.KAA10177@vtt.fi> >Hi folks, >Does any of you have your newsletters or publications available >through your web site? --- >I just got the current issue of that publication today, and >wondered how I can advertise this on the web. -- > Angelina G. Joseph > Internet: josepha@vms.csd.mu.edu Hello, I have compiled a short list on topic "Where to announce your new WWW pages and journals". It is available at: http://www.vtt.fi/inf/nordep/projects/webpilot/newjour.htm I do not list the direct addresses of specific indexing robots or virtual libraries (like Yahoo or Netscape What's New page), but merely services that list or provide access to such services, e.g. Postmaster, Submit-It or Pointers to Pointers. Any comments and additions to the list are welcome. Regards, Riitta Alkula ------------------------------------------------------------------- Riitta Alkula (M.Soc.Sci., M.A.) Email: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi VTT Information Service Phone: + 358 0 456 4372 P.O.Box 2000 Fax: + 358 0 456 4374 FIN-02044 VTT Street: Vuorimiehentie 5, Espoo FINLAND URL: http://www.vtt.fi/inf/nordep/ From Jola.vanLuyt at kub.nl Thu Feb 1 05:00:59 1996 From: Jola.vanLuyt at kub.nl (Jola van Luyt-Prinsen) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Announcement: International Summer School on the Digital Library Message-ID: <Jola.vanLuyt.3.31108F5B@kub.nl> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is crossposted via various mailing and discussion lists. My appologies for those who receive this message more than once. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear colleague, In one of the past years you maybe got acquainted with the innovative projects of the library and the computer centre at Tilburg University, the Netherlands. I'm very happy to inform you about a very promising initiative, which might be of interest to you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From 4 until 16 August 1996 the first INTERNATIONAL SUMMER SCHOOL ON THE DIGITAL LIBRARY will be held in Tilburg, the Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This provides an excellent refreshment opportunity for librarians trained at intermediate or higher levels and for teachers at library schools. Thirty international experts will be dealing with strategic as well as practical aspects. They will use training methods like lectures, case studies, hands-on sessions and discussions. The Summer School will prepare you for setting up your own digital library, providing you with knowledge you can apply directly when you return to your own situation. The Summer School is organised by Ticer Ltd, the Tilburg Innovation Centre for Electronic Resources, in cooperation with Elsevier Science. In 1995 Ticer was founded by Tilburg University with the aim to make the university's expertise on digital libraries and IT infrastructure available to third parties. More information on the Summer School (programme, lecturers, etc.) can be found via the home page of Ticer B.V.: http:/www.kub.nl:2080/ticer/. You can also contact them via their mail address ticer@kub.nl. Best regards, Jola van Luyt Head External Services Tilburg University Library Jola.vanLuyt@kub.nl From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 1 10:39:52 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Digital Library SunSITE Unveiled at UC Berkeley Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201073646.4780B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR MORE INFORMATION: Jane Rauckhorst (212) 614-4880 Burson Marsteller for Sun Microsystems SUN UNVEILS NEWEST SUN SITE AT UC BERKELEY CAMPUS Web Site to Serve as Worldwide Showcase and Information Repository on Digital Libraries MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - January 31, 1996 - The Berkeley Digital Library SunTM SITEtm (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu), a new site on the World Wide Web that will serve as a showcase and repository for information on digital libraries, was unveiled today at a joint press conference held by officials from Sun Microsystems and the University of California at Berkeley. Sun, the network computing leader, is also pioneering major technologies for the Internet. The library will be using Sun's revolutionary JavaTM programming environment for the Berkeley Sun SITE (Sun Software Information and Technology Exchange) to enable easy searching and cataloging of online text and images. Expected to grow to more than a terabyte of data over the next few years, it is being hosted on a Sun SPARCcenterTM 2000 server. Sun and the UC Berkeley Library will work collaboratively on content to be available on the site. "With the number of digital libraries growing exponentially, there needs to be a central place like Berkeley Sun SITE where people can go for information and expertise on planning, creating and maintaining their own online collection, as well as to access many of the digital libraries already on the World Wide Web," said Barbara Gordon, vice president, academic and research computing at Sun Microsystems Computer Company. "We expect millions of users to take advantage of the resources on this site, and expect the project to help further the quality and availability of digital libraries around the world." "The Digital Library Sun SITE is an excellent way to meet two complementary goals," said Peter Lyman, UC Berkeley librarian. "First, it will help us expand our world-class print collections into the digital realm and make them available via the Internet, and will also catalyze digital library development efforts by providing support to digital library developers worldwide." Some of the offerings available for free on the Berkeley Digital Library SunSITE include: Access to numerous text and image-based digital library collections from around the world. Examples are the Getty Museum; the Library of Congress; the National Library of Medicine; various collections on English, Japanese and Nordic literature; and UC Berkeley's own collection of 5,000 images from 80 earthquakes, images of topographical, nautical and general maps, and extensive digital collections of environmental images and architectural slides. Insights from experts such as the Association of Research Libraries on critical issues like copyright and intellectual property laws involved in creating and maintaining a digital library. Guides to imaging, searching, cataloging and browsing tools, techniques, software and hardware products being deployed within digital library projects around the world. Access to Web4Lib, an electronic discussion group for library-based World Wide Web developers, as well as updates on digital library conferences, papers and events. The first Sun SITE was begun in 1992 by Sun Microsystems at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. Sun SITES quickly gained a reputation for providing cutting-edge content on the Internet. With the Berkeley Sun SITE, Sun now operates more than 20 Sun SITES at key universities located around the world. They include AskERIC at Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York; Sun SITE Italy at University of Milan; Sun SITE Japan at Science University Tokyo; Sun SITE Russia at Moscow State University; and Sun SITE South Africa at the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg. Sun Microsystems Computer Company is a world leader in the design, manufacture and sale of network computing systems and is a division of Sun Microsystems, Inc. Recognized for quality and innovation, the company's SPARCTM workstations and multiprocessing servers each hold the No. 1 UNIX marketshare position. These systems are used primarily by businesses, educational institutions and governments worldwide for technical, commercial, industrial, and software development applications. # # # Sun, the Sun logo, Sun Microsystems, SunSITE and Java are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc., in the United States and other countries. All SPARC trademarks are used under license and are trademarks or registered trademarks of SPARC International, Inc., in the United States and other countries. Products bearing SPARC trademarks are based on an architecture developed by Sun Microsystems Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark in the United States and other countries exclusively licensed through X/Open Company, Ltd. Press announcements and other information about Sun Microsystems are available on the Internet via the World Wide Web using a tool such as Netscape or NCSA Mosaic. Type http://www.sun.com at the URL prompt. From psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu Thu Feb 1 12:05:53 1996 From: psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham, RUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: SunSite at Berkeley Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.4.823194353.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries What provisions are being made at the SunSite for long-term provision and preservation of information being made available, which Peter Lyman calls a "Digital Library"? The blurb doesn't describe them at this point. --pg Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From dave at ci.pasadena.ca.us Thu Feb 1 12:53:18 1996 From: dave at ci.pasadena.ca.us (David Christensen) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Netscape on Windows95 for the Public References: <Chameleon.960201112001.cbearden@gleason.hpl.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <3110FE0E.60617C69@ci.pasadena.ca.us> Thanks to all who responded to my message regarding Netscape and protecting the config. I have come up with a temp kind of fix/work-around for the problem. These are the steps I had to implement: 1) Disable the floppy(s) in BIOS and add a password to BIOS for updating. 2) Disable break at machine boot. 3) Set the attributes for SYSTEM.DAT and USER.DAT so that DOS can see and write over them from the AUTOEXEC.BAT. - c:\windows\commands\attrib -s -h -r user.dat - c:\windows\commands\attrib -s -h -r system.dat 4) Then copy over them with a backup of locked down versions. (I keep two versions of these files, "c:\windows\open-cfg\user.dat system.dat" and "c:\windows\clos-cfg\user.dat system.dat" so I can access the machine. I remotely copy the open versions and this will allow me have access to do maintenance, or you can re-enable the floppy drive from BIOS (if you have the password, see step 1.) and have a DOS boot floppy and then manually copy the files. 5) Reset the attributes back to +s +h +r for both files. Then proceed with normal boot. Actually you only have to worry about USER.DAT, because that is where all of the settings are programs and gui stuff. SYSTEM.DAT is mainly for networking stuff and machine specific parameters. My next challenge is to get my workstation here at Central Library to connect to the remote Branch Library Windows 95 PC via our backbone router and its wide-area link to do the remote copy which I spoke of above. I have tested it with two PC's here at Central and I think I got it to connect once across my router but I cannot seem to repeat this function. This is key to remotely managing the Branch/remote PC's. Hope this helps. Maybe you can improve on my system! :) *************************************************************** David E. Christensen Network Operations Manager City of Pasadena, Department of Information Services (818)405-4251 Office (818)449-2165 Fax dave@ci.pasadena.ca.us *************************************************************** From thom at indiana.edu Thu Feb 1 13:39:16 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Digital Library SunSITE Unveiled at UC Berkeley In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201073646.4780B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960201133813.9750B-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Great site but what are all the empty sky box icons? Fill 'em or kill 'em I say 8-) --Thom From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 1 13:45:13 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: SunSite at Berkeley In-Reply-To: <CMM-RU.1.4.823194353.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201103825.1692J-100000@library.berkeley.edu> I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has made provisions for long-term preservation of digital material except for stating *intent*. If you have a clear idea about what that requires please enlighten me. Part of what the Digital Library SunSITE is all about is bringing people together to research such vexing problems as the one you describe. We do not have all the answers, nor do we claim to. Anyone who does is kidding themselves. Roy Tennant SunSITE Project Manager On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Peter Graham, RUL wrote: > > From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries > What provisions are being made at the SunSite for long-term provision and > preservation of information being made available, which Peter Lyman calls a > "Digital Library"? The blurb doesn't describe them at this point. --pg > > Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries > 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 > <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> > From marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu Thu Feb 1 14:14:12 1996 From: marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: SunSite at Berkeley In-Reply-To: Roy Tennant <rtennant@library.berkeley.edu> "Re: SunSite at Berkeley" (Feb 1, 11:04) References: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201103825.1692J-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <9602011114.ZM12097@matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu> |I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has made provisions for |long-term preservation of digital material except for stating *intent*. We are addressing these issues now. In the old publishing model, the bulk of capital was involved in production and distribution of information on paper which physically sat on a shelf somewhere and could be read for hundreds of years. Nice closed, solvable problem. A little dusting, some glue, binding and we're set. Now, that most money involved in publishing must be spent to guarantee information persistence including a data format migration path into the unknown, some new issues present: 1. Data formats. We're all in trouble if the volume of data increases faster than the access time of storage media and/or processing power for format conversion. Backing this stuff up as volume grows is an expensive, time-consuming process. 2. Data integrity. In our subject domain, medical information, scientific errata, either introduced in original content or obsoleted by new developments and findings, can kill people. Thus, we need to treat data that we originate with the same editorial analysis as a peer-reviewed journal would in order to assure that the science meets base standards. that's all for right now... -marc -- --/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ // Marc Salomon - Software Engineer - Innovative Software Systems Group \\ \\ Library and Center for Knowledge Management - UC, San Francisco // // phone : 415.476.9541 - e-mail : marc@ckm.ucsf.edu - fax: 415.476.4653 \\ \\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\<URL:http://www.ckm.ucsf.edu/marc/>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/// From thuwe at library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 1 14:57:12 1996 From: thuwe at library.berkeley.edu (Terry Huwe) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: SunSite at Berkeley In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201103825.1692J-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960201114202.19385A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Another place where the concept of _long term_ digital preservation is being pioneered is at Cornell's New York State School of Industrial and Labor Relations. The Martin P. Catherwood Library at ILR has worked out an agreement with the U.S. Dept. of Labor to retain digital copies of government documents. They've loaded several that have lasting import, e.g., the Dunlop Commission report on the "glass ceiling", and a recent report on child labor. This was all reported in a press release from Cornell. The subtext, in my view, is that Cornell must have undertaken a political "hashing out" to get this "content". Seems to me like exactly the right step for librarians, who are (as a group) going digital fast. I emailed the person in charge of this work, Stuart Basefsky, and he said that ILR _approached_ the DOL and proposed this digital archive. This is a good strategy, because government web sites will keep documents online for 1-6 months and then remove them, but the need for researchers to have sensible access is ongoing. Probably we all have to be reach out like ILR did to build and retain quality digital archives. When we do, we get the chance to exercise good professional practices, and maybe leverage the library's image. Check it out at http://www.ilr.cornell.edu! Terry Huwe *********************************************** Terence K. Huwe Director of Library and Information Resources Institute of Industrial Relations University of California at Berkeley Voice: (510) 642-1705 Fax: (510) 642-6432 thuwe@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/autobiography/thuwe *********************************************** On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Roy Tennant wrote: > I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has made provisions for > long-term preservation of digital material except for stating *intent*. > If you have a clear idea about what that requires please enlighten me. > Part of what the Digital Library SunSITE is all about is bringing people > together to research such vexing problems as the one you describe. We do > not have all the answers, nor do we claim to. Anyone who does is kidding > themselves. > Roy Tennant > SunSITE Project Manager > > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Peter Graham, RUL wrote: > > > > > From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries > > What provisions are being made at the SunSite for long-term provision and > > preservation of information being made available, which Peter Lyman calls a > > "Digital Library"? The blurb doesn't describe them at this point. --pg > > > > Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries > > 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 > > <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> > > > From pbruegge at gort.ucsd.edu Thu Feb 1 15:39:53 1996 From: pbruegge at gort.ucsd.edu (Peter Brueggeman) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: URL: inactivity timeout script for Mac/Netscape Message-ID: <199602012039.MAA07366@gort.ucsd.edu> http://siolibrary.ucsd.edu/reset/ This is a simple script which checks for user inactivity at regular intervals does the following if the machine is not in use: close any open Finder windows hide any running programs (does not quit them, telnet sessions left open should timeout) reset Netscape to a defaut page, closing any extra Netscape windows and stretching the window to fit a 14 inch screen. If the machine is busy, the script can give the user extra time before the next check. This script does not provide any security or tamper resistant measures to the Mac it is running on. ============================================================= Peter Brueggeman, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Library University of Calif San Diego, 9500 Gilman Dr, Dept 0175C San Diego CA 92093-0175 USA pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu; http://www.ucsd.edu/siolibrary/ Telephone: 619/534-1230; Fax: 619/534-5269 From foggm at lanecc.edu Thu Feb 1 15:58:45 1996 From: foggm at lanecc.edu (MAY C FOGG) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Position: Acquisitions Librarian, Lane Community C ollege Message-ID: <Ka59+sZG2lA@lanemail.lanecc.edu> ACQUISITIONS LIBRARIAN Lane Community College, Eugene, Oregon JOB DESCRIPTION: To act as librarian team leader for acquisitions and collection management. Oversee acquisitions of all library materials and monitor financial accounting and reporting. Maintain working knowledge of publishing trends and practices and build strong relationships with vendors and publishers. Explore state-of-the-art technologies for streamlining acquisitions and serials services from the point of review through the ordering, receiving and claiming of materials in all formats. Participate in shared decision-making and planning for the library. Oversee effective use of the Innovative Interfaces acquisitions and serials modules. Coordinate collection management. Serve as liaison with academic departments to insure their involvement in the development of the collection. In a team environment, provide leadership to articulate and implement goals, strategies, policies, and programs for developing and preserving the library's print, non-print, and technology-based information resources, as well as manage gifts. Work in the reference area during part of the week. QUALIFICATIONS: ALA-accredited MLS degree. Three year's experience as a professional librarian in an academic library, of which two years must be direct experience in acquisitions and collection management in an automated environment. Reference experience and a wide subject background preferred. Bilingual, multicultural experience preferred. SALARY: $2,651-$3,074 per month. APPLICATION DEADLINE: Applications must be postmarked or hand delivered by March 16, 1996. Applications received after that date will not be considered. STARTING DATE: July 5, 1996 HOW TO APPLY: Application forms and a full Notice of Vacancy are available from: Personnel Services Lane Community College 4000 E. 30th Ave. Eugene OR 97405 Telephone 541 726-2211 Posting no. 001581B Lane Community College is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. From psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu Thu Feb 1 18:16:55 1996 From: psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham, RUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:08 2005 Subject: Electronic Preservation (was: SunSite at Berkeley) Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.4.823216615.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries On 2/1 Terry Huwe wrote: > >Another place where the concept of _long term_ digital preservation >is being pioneered is at Cornell's New York State School of Industrial >and Labor Relations. The Martin P. Catherwood Library at ILR >has worked out an agreement with the U.S. Dept. of Labor to retain >digital copies of government documents. They've loaded several that >have lasting import, e.g., the Dunlop Commission report on the "glass >ceiling", and a recent report on child labor. This was very encouraging until I looked at the site. Nowhere does the site speak of preserving the information that is available, which is worthy and a good relationship but shows no evidence of being preserved longer than someone is running the Mac Quadra 800 on which it runs. This isn't what I mean by long-term commitment, which I think involves a considerable institutional commitment, a public statement, and stated intentions to a) refresh where necessary, b) migrate through technologies where necessary, and c) provide indications of the integrity of the information so that a user in 2 or 20 years has confidence in it. Articles on these topics have been written by (i.a.) Michael Lesk of Bellcore on the media and technological preservation issues, for the Commission on Preservation and Access, and by Cliff Lynch and myself on the integrity and authentication issues. A bibliography is available (with links to most of these articles and many others) at <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pgbib.html>. --pg Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From thom at indiana.edu Sat Feb 3 10:29:03 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <31129B1C.29A9@netins.net> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960203102351.1393C-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Janet Meyers wrote: > Frames seem to be "the thing" these days, but I haven't found a site > that uses them that I like yet. Navigating them seems difficult and I > find the small windows inconvenient. Am I just not looking at the right > ones? Can anyone give me some examples of "good" ones? Are there any > online tutorials on creating frames? I think frames is a pretty interesting development and definitely a node toward graphic information designers because they give the designer much more control over the display of their information. While it is real _useless_ at the moment I like designing frames for really BIG monitors which give you elbow room for screen display. I would like if I could control BORDER = 0 along with NOSCROLL to get a more _seamless_ display. I's just columns and rows, a hidden spreadsheet. The noframes option also allows you to design an entire text version of your page/site within the frame version. Sort of the Doublemint Gum approach: Two, Two, Two sites in one!! --Thom From pem at po.CWRU.Edu Sat Feb 3 10:50:54 1996 From: pem at po.CWRU.Edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <31129B1C.29A9@netins.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960203102735.10715A-100000@sr71> I agree that frames are dificult to navigate around. In my opinion, the "back" button takes on a different meaning when you navigate around a page with frames (it doesn't take you back a link in a frame, but takes you back an entire page). I suspect the best source for frame information is netscape itself: http://home.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/frames.html This page has a link to syntax and usage instructions, and a link to pages using frames now. Of note, however, is this paragraph at the bottom of the page: Frames have been submitted to the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium for consideration as Internet standards. Perhaps, in other words, "use at your own risk". On of my favorite pages is this one because of its simplicity (and subject matter): http://rampages.onramp.net/~stevent/powermac.html Peter On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Janet Meyers wrote: > Frames seem to be "the thing" these days, but I haven't found a site > that uses them that I like yet. Navigating them seems difficult and I > find the small windows inconvenient. Am I just not looking at the right > ones? Can anyone give me some examples of "good" ones? Are there any > online tutorials on creating frames? > > Thanks in advance. > -- > Janet Meyers > jmeyers@netins.net > http://www.netins.net/showcase/meyers/ > > The opinions expressed here are mine alone. > -- Peter Murray, Senior Systems Analyst pem@po.cwru.edu Library Information Technologies http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-8989 From csppkane at CLASS.ORG Sat Feb 3 11:52:27 1996 From: csppkane at CLASS.ORG (California School of Prof. Psychology) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Pointers to information on copyright issues? In-Reply-To: <Pine.NXT.3.91.960202144318.2039I-100000@ci.mty.itesm.mx> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960203085041.387D-100000@class.class.org> San Diego State University has some sort of electronic reserve system that they developed that is supposedly quite fabulous (one of my staff used to work there). I have not spoken to anyone there about it but if you contacted the library there, I am sure that someone could direct you to that deparment. They are in San Diego, California. Dehbi Fleming csppkane@class.org From lcarter at velcome.iupui.edu Sat Feb 3 12:55:51 1996 From: lcarter at velcome.iupui.edu (Laurel Carter) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <31129B1C.29A9@netins.net> Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960203124637.27952A-100000@velcome.iupui.edu> The link that showed me one way frames are valuable is the Color Index at InfiNet. I don't have the URL here at home (I only have LYNX and don't know how to see the URLs), but the path I followed to find it is: Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com) Computers and Internet World Wide Web@ HTML@ Coloured Text Page "To see original Color Index at Infinet" The linked color names and rgb values scroll down the left side of the page and target a large frame on the right side. Instead of clicking on "back" to get from the color swatch back to the index, the list of colors remains on the screen, speeding up navigation time. Laurel Carter lcarter@velcome.iupui.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Sat Feb 3 16:53:02 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Netscape 2.0 Full Release out now Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960203135140.1681A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> The subject line says it -- get yours in the usual places. If you don't know where those are, start at ftp://ftp.netscape.com/. Roy Tennant From Kadenbach at aol.com Sun Feb 4 15:06:39 1996 From: Kadenbach at aol.com (Kadenbach@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:09 2005 Subject: Fate of libraries Message-ID: <960204150637_414316264@emout09.mail.aol.com> I am collecting information about lost/destroyed libraries. Whatever the reasons are, fire, war, storm, arson, looting, or theft I am interested to hear about it. I would like to receive information directly from the witnesses or by pointing to other sources. Thank you for contribution. Uwe Kambach 33334 Gutersloh Germany Kadenbach@aol.com From psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu Mon Feb 5 09:50:42 1996 From: psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham, RUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:10 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:01:37 -0800 Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.4.823531842.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries Frames, I thought, were a development not so much for users as for publishers, and (I thought I understood) had more to do with commercial interests, such as assuring that advertising displays around the changeable page, than with user needs. So far no one has described to me their *use* from the consumer's point of view. I have seen one set of uses that might be a way to go: the person at U of Rochester who is putting up a lot of old magazines on the Web is using frames in a way that shows tables of contents down the left and the articles on the right, with frames at the top showing source and other graphics. A bit busy, and when I read a few pages my browser tells me I'm out of space, but maybe it's a way to go. The URL I'm looking at is <URL:http://www.history.rochester.edu/godeys/> --pg Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From weibel at oclc.org Mon Feb 5 10:26:15 1996 From: weibel at oclc.org (weibel@oclc.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:10 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <199602051526.KAA02474@ws02-00.rsch.oclc.org> re Frames: While its true that frames can be used for advertising and such (I'm in favor of this... I want other people to pay for my Web access!) Think of a Web browser as a remotely programmable user interface. Frames is a mechanism that allows separation of the data and the user interface controls. Much cleaner, much more stable for data (providers don't have to keep updating their data files as the user interface changes). We've been lobbying for such capabilities for almost 2 years. Kudos to Netscape for providing this capability! stu Stuart Weibel Senior Research Scientist OCLC Office of Research weibel@oclc.org (614) 764-6081 (v) (614) 764-2344 (f) http://purl.org/net/weibel From dykhuisr at mlc.lib.mi.us Mon Feb 5 10:27:56 1996 From: dykhuisr at mlc.lib.mi.us (Randy Dykhuis) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:10 2005 Subject: Web Site Workshop--Michigan Message-ID: <199602051531.KAA28849@merit.edu> PLEASE EXCUSE OUR EXTENSIVE CROSS-POSTING! Michigan Library Consortium & Michigan Library Association present HOME ON THE WEB: A WORKSHOP ON BUILDING AND MAINTAINING A WEB SITE Friday, March 22, 1996 Michigan Library and Historical Center - Forum Lansing 10:00 a.m. - 3:30 p.m. CEUs Applied For If you're thinking about creating a place for your library, campus, or other organization on the World Wide Web, this workshop is for you. Learn about putting up a homepage and getting your organization's information on the Web. Spend the day with two of the Net's best known experts on Internet information services who will ready you to make your presence known on the Net Course Outline: % What is the Web and what are the advantages of having a presence on it % Planning your service: staffing, budgeting, maintenance % Pro's and con's of owning your own technology vs. renting space with an access provider % An overview of HTML % Content and design issues for your homepage % Promoting your service & soliciting information sources % A hands-on workshop to create a homepage will follow at a later date Instructors: Susanna L. Davidsen, Technology Librarian & Operations Manager, MLink, University of Michigan Library. Davidsen is the designer and creator of the Michigan Electronic Library/GoMLink, the first virtual library on the Internet. She is considered the University expert on information organization. Richard Wiggins, Manager, Computer Center, Michigan State University. Wiggins authored "Internet for Everyone" and "America Online's Guide to the Internet." He has lectured at Harvard, the University of Michigan, and at various national conferences, speaking on Internet information retrieval tools and the World Wide Web. Registration: MLC and MLA Members $85 Non Members $150 Contact Aaron Smith at Michigan Library Consortium for added information and for a registration form for HOME ON THE WEB. Telephone: 517/694-4242 800/530-9019 Fax: 517/694-9303 E-mail: smitha@mlc.lib.mi.us =============================================================== Randy Dykhuis Phone: 517/694-4242 Executive Director 800/530-9019 Michigan Library Consortium Fax: 517/694-9303 6810 South Cedar St. E-mail: dykhuisr@mlc.lib.mi.us Lansing, MI 48911-6909 =============================================================== From b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 11:31:48 1996 From: b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk (Brian Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:10 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <199602051636.QAA19752@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:43:57 -0800 > Reply-to: weibel@oclc.org > From: weibel@oclc.org > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: Frames--What's the big deal? > > re Frames: > > While its true that frames can be used for advertising and such (I'm > in favor of this... I want other people to pay for my Web access!) > > Think of a Web browser as a remotely programmable user interface. Frames > is a mechanism that allows separation of the data and the user interface > controls. Much cleaner, much more stable for data (providers don't have to > keep updating their data files as the user interface changes). > > We've been lobbying for such capabilities for almost 2 years. Kudos to > Netscape for providing this capability! I agree that FRAMES look very nice. BUT how well do they interwork with other HTML tags? Are they future-proofed? Should user interface extensions be implemented in HTML? We have already seen how the TABLES tags have changed following input from other communities. I suspect that we will also see changes in FRAMES. I would not like to have to change large numbers of documents containing an obsolete implementation of the tag, if such changes occur. This is one of the dangers of new HTML tags being developed without thorough discussion (e.g. on the HTML-TALK list). Use with caution - be aware of possible maintenance issues - my 2ps worth. Brian Kelly -------------------------------------------------- Brian Kelly Netskills - see http://www.netskills.ac.uk/ Computing Service University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne B.Kelly@newcastle.ac.uk NE1 7RU 0191 222 5002 From kim at salve2.salve.edu Mon Feb 5 11:45:47 1996 From: kim at salve2.salve.edu (David Kim) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:10 2005 Subject: NYT on the Web Message-ID: <9602051645.AA04212@salve2.salve.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 329 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960205/9ec7da98/attachment.bat From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Mon Feb 5 12:23:51 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:11 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? Message-ID: <01BAF3C4.CFCD7C80@grey.ohiolink.edu> >> While its true that frames can be used for advertising and such (I'm >> in favor of this... I want other people to pay for my Web access!) Hear, hear! With anti-commercial sentiments so widely [and rabidly] voiced in some circles, it's nice to hear from someone who looks at the situation this way. >> >> Think of a Web browser as a remotely programmable user interface. Frames >> is a mechanism that allows separation of the data and the user interface >> controls. Much cleaner, much more stable for data (providers don't have to >> keep updating their data files as the user interface changes). Yes, but... Web browsers were originally built to be document presentation mechanisms, not remotely programmable user interfaces. (You may remember some suggestions that you would add structure to your document and let my browser render it as the browser-and I-see fit.) One problem database providers are running into is that getting a web browser to do what they want requires so much pulling and tweaking and let's-use-this-tag-since-it-looks-good-on-Netscape-ing that the browser ends up being used for what it wasn't designed for. >> >> We've been lobbying for such capabilities for almost 2 years. Kudos to >> Netscape for providing this capability! > >I agree that FRAMES look very nice. BUT how well do they interwork >with other HTML tags? Are they future-proofed? Should user >interface extensions be implemented in HTML? > >We have already seen how the TABLES tags have changed following input >from other communities. I suspect that we will also see changes >in FRAMES. I would not like to have to change large numbers of >documents containing an obsolete implementation of the tag, if such >changes occur. Amen to this. Let's not overlook the fact that there's still no "official" table spec, and perhaps not even a clear definition at this point of what "official" can and will mean. For the past two months, every database vendor I've spoken with has been drooling over the possibility of adding frames to their web interfaces. The cynic in me suggests that someone should be urging moderation in the rush to kewl new tags. Thomas Dowling From GOODELD at fsa.wosc.osshe.edu Mon Feb 5 11:45:08 1996 From: GOODELD at fsa.wosc.osshe.edu (Dale E. Goodell) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:11 2005 Subject: Search Apps thru Web - Was Re: Reset Netscape to HomePa Message-ID: <2BEEC3748@fsa.wosc.osshe.edu> Our intention here is to have the WWW page available on the internet, but the access to our CDs will be from our campus only. I plan to designate our CD applications as helper apps within Netscape. I know of another site locally that is in the process of doing something similar. I have had one other request from a fellow list member for more information about this, and will contribute more information to the list after I have done more work on the project. > > From: "Dale E. Goodell" <GOODELD@fsa.wosc.osshe.edu> > > > We are planning in a few months to provide access to our Library's > > Compact Disc Network, as well as internet resources through our > > Library's (yet to be developed) home page on the WWW. Our Windows > > and Netscape software will be running on a Novell NetWare fileserver, > > currently running NetWare v3.11 (soon to be upgraded to v4.1)... > > This brings up a separate question unrelated to a home page timer > function. Are all the Web users in-house on the LAN? Or are they > also coming in via TCP connections from elsewhere? In either (or > both) cases, how are these Windows (and perhaps DOS?) programs going > to be presented to users of a Web browser? Unless I misread, this is > a distinctly non-trivial enterprise, though one with high utility. > In short, how will this work? ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell User Support Specialist Western Oregon State College Library Monmouth, OR 97361 Internet: goodeld@fsa.wosc.osshe.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From oheyer at library.berkeley.edu Mon Feb 5 12:54:26 1996 From: oheyer at library.berkeley.edu (Oliver Heyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:11 2005 Subject: Frames--What's the big deal? In-Reply-To: <31129B1C.29A9@netins.net> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960205092924.16295C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Take a look at the following: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ alltext?vers=&lookup=aesch.+ag.+1&display=latin The URL will take you to the first page of a parallel text of Aeschylus' Agamemnon -- the Greek in one frame, English in the other. The text is part of the Perseus Project's digital library of ancient Greek authors. I assume that because the frames tag currently has such limited support, parallel text has not yet been made a standard feature in Perseus. To get the effect, you need to type "alltext" into the URL. Admittedly, this particular site is of interest to a fairly limited audience, but I think it is an example of a pretty good (and obvious) use of frames. ____________________________________________________________________________ Oliver Heyer | Art History/Classics Graduate Service Circulation Supervisor | Room 308F Doe Library oheyer@library.berkeley.edu | University of California at Berkeley | Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Janet Meyers wrote: > Frames seem to be "the thing" these days, but I haven't found a site > that uses them that I like yet. Navigating them seems difficult and I > find the small windows inconvenient. Am I just not looking at the right > ones? Can anyone give me some examples of "good" ones? Are there any > online tutorials on creating frames? > > Thanks in advance. > -- > Janet Meyers > jmeyers@netins.net > http://www.netins.net/showcase/meyers/ > > The opinions expressed here are mine alone. > From Adrian.Price at dvjb.kvl.dk Wed Feb 7 02:16:04 1996 From: Adrian.Price at dvjb.kvl.dk (Adrian Price) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:11 2005 Subject: Perl script for sending URLs Message-ID: <s118710a.003@kvl.dk> Hello, I was wondering if anyone has/knows of f.ex. a Perl script which will take and send a URL from a form? Im sorry to get back to this question, but my idea was Netscape in kiosk mode (Ow!!) for computers with public access, but where I still find kiosk mode a "bit" restrictive without a location line. So my idea was to have a link to something like "Click here to type in your URL", and then a single line form. Thanks in advance Adrian Price Danish Veterinary & Agric. Library http://www.dvjb.kvl.dk From hillaryh at sun470.sme.org Wed Feb 7 08:19:29 1996 From: hillaryh at sun470.sme.org (Hillary Handwerger) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: Pros & cons of using HTML Tags In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9602061117.A25522-0100000@netcom> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960207081118.1082E@sun470> I may be working under some of the same assumptions, however here is what I have been told, and what I seem to have found by experience. I beleve I have been told at some time that tags are important for those little worms and knowbots that search the sites-- however, its my understanding that the h1 and h2 tags are about as deep as they go. Now, I have had a number of sites out there, and I have seen little to support that these worms are going deeper than h1, if even that far. However, I continue to use the title field and the h1 code to put in information for the worms to find. The font sizes have the additional benefit of allowing me to format the look of my pages (www.apaa.org). I don't have to deal with the extra spacing forced by using the h tags, and I can mix font sizes on a single line. It also works on preformatted text and tables. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hillary Handwerger hillaryh@sme.org Society of Manufacturing Engineers-- CoNDUIT Project 313 271-1500 ext 597 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Mary-Ellen Mort wrote: > I have seen allusions to this in other discussions but would like to > start a thread to tackle the topic head on: > > Some website designers--in order to control the "look & feel" of their > pages--use font sizes and other formatting instead of the standard HTML > heading tags (H1-H6) > > But many of the "cool" sites--like c|net--use non-standard tags to control > white space and to give their site a "different" look. > > Few libraries do this (am I wrong?) > > My understanding is that using the standard tags aids the search engines > in indexing the site. Is this true? If true, is the impact--of not being > properly indexed--so substantial that one would give up the "cool" look? > > Also that using the standard tags will assure cross platform display in a > variety of browsers. > > Do users prefer the "innovative" looking sites or the "standard" sites? > Does anyone have surveys or experiences on this topic? > > Mary-Ellen Mort > memort@netcom.com > From ssparr at libofmich.lib.mi.us Wed Feb 7 12:35:12 1996 From: ssparr at libofmich.lib.mi.us (Susan Parr) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: Net Tips Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960207115704.32145E-100000@libofmich.lib.mi.us> PLEASE EXCUSE CROSS-POSTINGS I am writing a short column for our bi-monthly newsletter (_Library of Michigan Access_). As the topic and title of this column is "Net Tips", I am looking for subject suggestions (and of course, useful tips). The audience for this newsletter is Michigan multi-type libraries and library cooperatives. If you could send any suggestions to me personally, I would appreciate it. TIA--Susan Susan Parr ssparr@libofmich.lib.mi.us Technology Trainer Phone: (517) 373-1580 Library of Michigan FAX (517) 373-5700 717 West Allegan Street Lansing, MI 48909 From rutherford at ccsua.ctstateu.edu Wed Feb 7 16:42:56 1996 From: rutherford at ccsua.ctstateu.edu (John Rutherford) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: ILL and OCLC ftp program Message-ID: <31191CE0.FD1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> Yet another step further on this question. Once forms are setup to accept Ill input from users, and transmitted to a cgi for saving or mail to an ILL Librarian, has anyone taken the OCLC code and written programs/cgi's for then transmitting that to the OCLC ILL sub system. I know of several commercial institutions that have written this using the BER utilities that are available from OCLC's ftp site, but has anyone actually created a set of scipts or programs that make it easy to format input from forms into the format (ASN?) that oclc requires for input to their system? John Rutherford Conn State Univ. Alicia D. Abramson wrote: > > Can anyone point me to some good examples of ILL request forms on the > Web as well as actual cgi scripts and descriptions of how the systems > work? We're interested in developing a Web based ILL request form as > a way to automate this process and so I'm also interested in knowing > both the advantages and drawbacks to this approach to automating ILL. > (eg. are there compelling reasons why or why not to go this route?) > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > | Alicia Abramson | > * Head, Library Systems * > | American University | > * (202) 885-3228 * > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From rutherford at ccsua.ctstateu.edu Wed Feb 7 16:43:53 1996 From: rutherford at ccsua.ctstateu.edu (John Rutherford) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: Error Condition Re: Re: Telnet config at server end References: <31191573.75F@ccsu.ctstateu.edu> Message-ID: <31191D19.71E6@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> > This is not an answer but a related question. I too played with > inetd.conf and telnet links to special ports which calls an expect > script (stolen directly from the expect manual). It works, but > seems to be very slow, particularly when a search term is entered and > the return key is pressed. At this stage it takes much longer to > return results than if I had telnetted directly to the system. > > The script is below: > > #!/usr/local/bin/expect -f > expect ; > spawn telnet system.name > expect "login:" > send "username\r" > interact "\r" { > send "\r" > expect_user \n {} null > } > > John Rutherford > Conn State Univ > tdowling@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu wrote: > > > > Here's a problem my resident Unix wizards can't answer (yet). I'm > > trying to set up a series of telnet URLs at different port numbers to > > connect to different databases (telnet://host:9001 goes to database > > A, telnet://host:9002 to database B, etc.). I've learned more about > > the Unix services and inetd.conf files than I ever wanted, and it > > actually works... > > > > ..except that all the telnet sessions I can create come up in line > > mode rather than character mode (the Unix telnet client reports that > > it's in "obsolete linemode"), an annoying detail that completely > > incapacitates one of our search interfaces. I've seen this with > > several browser/telnet combinations, so I'm left assuming that it's > > controlled at the server end. Anyone know what I should be doing? > > > > Thomas Dowling > > tdowling@ohiolink.edu From riddle at is.rice.edu Wed Feb 7 15:01:25 1996 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: Official library or university stand on telecomm bill liability issues? Message-ID: <199602072001.OAA14036@brazos.is.rice.edu> Noted in the 2/6/96 Edupage: | COLLEGES WORRY ABOUT NEW LIABILITY FOR INTERNET CONTENT | The recent passage of the telecommunications reform bill has some | college administrators worried over new liability issues for | educational institutions that might unknowingly make "indecent" | material available to minors through their Internet access operations. | In addition, they've expressed concern over potential First Amendment | violations if they censor the content too heavily. "We have programs | on campus about date rape, unwanted pregnancy, and reproductive-health | options, so I don't see how we'd tolerate censorship of that kind of | information in the electronic format," says the head of | telecommunications at Carnegie Mellon University. | (Chronicle of Higher Education 9 Feb 96 A23) Does anyone know of any universities or libraries which have made formal policy announcements or initiated legal action in response to the telecomm bill? (I realize that the question is premature -- I don't believe that Clinton has signed the bill yet, although he is expected to do so tomorrow.) For more background on the freedom of expression issues surrounding the bill, see: http://www.epic.org/free_speech/censorship/ http://www.clari.net/suitpage.html http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/index.html#exon http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_2.5.html -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. From robertson at tesla.njit.edu Wed Feb 7 15:09:37 1996 From: robertson at tesla.njit.edu (robertson@tesla.njit.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: ILL forms on web Message-ID: <0099D8F6.C28846F0.17@tesla.njit.edu> > Can anyone point me to some good examples of ILL request forms on the > Web as well as actual cgi scripts and descriptions of how the systems > work? We're interested in developing a Web based ILL request form as > a way to automate this process and so I'm also interested in knowing > both the advantages and drawbacks to this approach to automating ILL. > (eg. are there compelling reasons why or why not to go this route?) > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > | Alicia Abramson | > * Head, Library Systems * > | American University | > * (202) 885-3228 * > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Have you seen my web page that collects examples of web forms for ILL, ref. questions, acquisition recommendations, etc.? It doesn't get into CGI scripts, but you might find it useful to see what other people have done. It is at http://hertz.njit.edu/~robertso/LibForms.html --Jim Robertson, Technical Reference Librarian New Jersey Institute of Technology robertson@tesla.njit.edu From emil at loc.gov Wed Feb 7 15:21:05 1996 From: emil at loc.gov (Elizabeth F. Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:12 2005 Subject: WWW LC Class. Schedules (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960207151956.98804D-100000@rs8.loc.gov> > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:31:03 -0800 > From: Dawn Marquez <marquez@dnax.org> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: WWW LC Class. Schedules > > Subject: Time: 11:43 AM > WWW LC Class. Schedules Date: 2/2/96 > > Cataloging 101: > Does anyone have the address for the LC classification schedules on the web, > primarily for the Q-T's? Thanks. > The Library of Congress is completing the conversion of the Library of Congress Classification schedules into machine-readable form using the MARC Format for Classification Data. An in-house system provides access to catalogers within LC. At this time they are not available on the Web because not all the schedules have been fully reviewed. We are exploring the possibility of making them available at some point in the future once review has been completed and other issues have been worked out. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ Rebecca S. Guenther ^^ ^^ Senior MARC Standards Specialist ^^ ^^ Network Development and MARC Standards Office ^^ ^^ Library of Congress ^^ ^^ Washington, DC 20540-4020 ^^ ^^ (202) 707-5092 (voice) (202) 707-0115 (FAX) ^^ ^^ rgue@loc.gov ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu Fri Feb 9 06:12:58 1996 From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner || Reference/Publications) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <199602090254.VAA26374@harley.ios.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960209061028.17047B-100000@frontier.wilpaterson.edu> On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Cynthia Hetherington wrote: > hello friends, > > First they burn the books, then they ban them. > Please observe the Blue Ribbon Campaign sponsored by the EFF. > http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html > > Cynthia > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > The Virtual Librarian > hetherc@gramercy.ios.com > http://soho.ios.com/~teaneck > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My page is in a week of mourning for this move down a path that is certain to violate my First Amendment Rights and transform the Internet into another example of overregulation, too much government -- thereby destroying it.... Kurt /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Kurt W. Wagner kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu Librarian (201) 595-2285 William Paterson College of New Jersey www.wilpaterson.edu/wpcpages/library/sarah.htm www.wilpaterson.edu/home/staff/kwagner/kurt.htm /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Fri Feb 9 07:58:00 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <01BAF6C4.563BEA20@grey.ohiolink.edu> >After all we can still corrupt your children even if its illegal for you >to. There must be a message there somewhere. >Tony Thanks, Tony. We in the States may end up looking to our friends overseas to perform this service. Somebody's got to do it. Thomas From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Fri Feb 9 09:11:08 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <9602090110.AA24064@dlapr.state.az.us> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209080908.13888A-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> > Haven't turned my pages black and do not plan to. > Have doubts about the efficacy of such a gesture. Is preaching to the > converted. Doubt if Senator Exon surfs the net. > Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us Thank you - someone who actually makes sense! My pages also aren't black, mainly because that'd be cutting access even further - why add to the problem, even if it's for symbolic reasons? ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Fri Feb 9 09:19:13 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <D91F66C6D@library.Arizona.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209081353.13888C-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> > On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Leo Eugene Spesard wrote: > The provisions of the legislation provide some protection to service and > content providers, but only if you take an active role in censoring > information. Do you think your library has the time and resources to > supervise everyone using a browser? Are you going to have to turn of the > option to download files because you can't prevent the downloading of materials > that are now baned? This bill puts significant burdens on libraries that will > either cause you to eliminate services or divert resources toward censorship of > them. Will your taxpayers like that? I don't agree. How will this affect libraries? Think about it - does a gas station provide nude pictures, or does Playboy provide nude pictures? The burden will be on all the adult-oriented companies that have Internet access, and their web providers. Which, of course, could also put some burden on universities - but that would be at more of an administrative level at that point. Other than not being able to provide "100%" access, I don't see how this will affect libraries. ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Fri Feb 9 09:25:43 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960208221503.12560C-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209081946.13888D-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> > On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, The Big Glee Bopper wrote: > So Joe what do you think the efficacy of _no_ gesture is? Right around > zero in my book. A better "gesture" is to write, call, etc. your legislators, and ask them "what the heck were you thinking?" ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Fri Feb 9 09:36:55 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <199602091436.JAA12415@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1016 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960209/13efcd07/attachment.bat From shaffer at uic.edu Fri Feb 9 10:07:43 1996 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Christopher Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209081353.13888C-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960209090242.295542C-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, David L. King wrote: > I don't agree. How will this affect libraries? Think about it - does a > gas station provide nude pictures, or does Playboy provide nude pictures? > The burden will be on all the adult-oriented companies that have Internet > access, and their web providers. Which, of course, could also put some > burden on universities - but that would be at more of an administrative > level at that point. > > Other than not being able to provide "100%" access, I don't see how this > will affect libraries. Gas stations *have* been prosecuted for selling "pornography", right along with the publishers. So have "adult" bookstores, and many others. Even so, it doesn't really matter what was done in the past, under previous laws. Under the law approved yesterday, libraries and other service providers are subject to prosecution for "allowing" patrons to use computers to display "obscene" materials. Period. ---- Protest the "indecent" communications bill passed by Congress and signed by Clinton February 8, 1996. Paint the net black. For more information, see: http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 09:59:40 1996 From: J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209080908.13888A-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960209145838.20454H@weeble.lut.ac.uk> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, David L. King wrote: > Thank you - someone who actually makes sense! My pages also aren't black, > mainly because that'd be cutting access even further - why add to the > problem, even if it's for symbolic reasons? Why does turning a page black cut access? Do your patrons have web browsers that automatically censor any HTML document with a black background or something? :-) Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From anoakes at umich.edu Fri Feb 9 10:36:09 1996 From: anoakes at umich.edu (Anne C. Noakes) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <01BAF646.82B73BA0@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960209103529.8167D-100000@login2.sils.umich.edu> See the Internet Public Library at http://www.ipl.org/ Anne Noakes______________________________________________________________ School of Information and Library Studies, The University of Michigan anoakes@sils.umich.edu | http://www.sils.umich.edu/~anoakes/HomePage.html _________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > Have any libraries turned their home pages black as > part of the EFF Blue Ribbon Campaign? (That's > http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html if you haven't > seen anything about it.) > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From carballo at carballo.rutgers.edu Fri Feb 9 11:35:24 1996 From: carballo at carballo.rutgers.edu (Jose Perez-Carballo) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209080908.13888A-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> (dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu) Message-ID: <199602091635.LAA17031@carballo.rutgers.edu> >Thank you - someone who actually makes sense! My pages also aren't black, >mainly because that'd be cutting access even further how does the change in color reduce access? -- Jose Perez-Carballo School of Communication, Information and Library Studies Rutgers University 4 Huntington Street New Brunswick, NJ 08903 From rmorgan at harding.edu Fri Feb 9 10:34:07 1996 From: rmorgan at harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: your mail Message-ID: <9602091534.AA0379@> ** Reply to note from 02/09/96 03:40am -0800 > My page is in a week of mourning for this move down a path that is > certain to violate my First Amendment Rights and transform the Internet > into another example of overregulation, too much government -- thereby > destroying it.... Could someone PLEASE tell me how in the world this bill is going to "violate" ANY of my rights? I have read the bill, and I don't recall anything to this effect. As I read it, it would force people to prevent information providers to make sure that thier content is decent, and if not, make sure no one under age can get to it. The smut-providers won't have to close shop, they will just have to do a better job of keeping my 5 year old out of thier stuff. If anything, this bill is good for the internet, and I hope other countries around the world will follow our example.... Ronnie Morgan Team OS/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu Systems Manager Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) From carballo at carballo.rutgers.edu Fri Feb 9 11:57:01 1996 From: carballo at carballo.rutgers.edu (Jose Perez-Carballo) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.960209090242.295542C-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> (message from Christopher Shaffer on Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:38:06 -0800) Message-ID: <199602091657.LAA17124@carballo.rutgers.edu> >use computers to display "obscene" materials. Period. does the new law mention the word "obscene"? -- Jose Perez-Carballo School of Communication, Information and Library Studies Rutgers University 4 Huntington Street New Brunswick, NJ 08903 From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Fri Feb 9 12:29:05 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <199602091529.AA140469770@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209112614.9471D-100000@pacific.st.usm.edu> > The legal scope of "indecent" content is broad enough to affect many > libraries. I disagree that the burden with be on adult-oriented > companies: they don't _want_ to provide free access, and will be > happy, by and large, to limit access to someone with a credit > card number. ok - agreed. > But material on subjects like AIDS, or Rennassance painting, or > American history (try explaining 1968) or literature like Ulysses > can all be impacted. But, is this a problem now? My understanding of this bill is that now, if they want to, the FCC can "regulate" the Internet, much like they "regulate" broadcast tv and radio. But things like date rape, civil rights, AIDS, etc. are all represented on tv and radio - why would the fcc do anything different on the internet? ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Fri Feb 9 12:30:51 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960209145838.20454H@weeble.lut.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209112927.9471E-100000@pacific.st.usm.edu> > On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, David L. King wrote: > > Thank you - someone who actually makes sense! My pages also aren't black, > > mainly because that'd be cutting access even further - why add to the > > problem, even if it's for symbolic reasons? > > Why does turning a page black cut access? Do your patrons have web > browsers that automatically censor any HTML document with a black > background or something? :-) Obviously, I should have explained myself further. I've seen some sites that have turned their pages black AND cut access for 48 hours. That's what I was complaining about. ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From thom at indiana.edu Fri Feb 9 13:28:43 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960209081946.13888D-100000@ocean.st.usm.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960209132625.6630C-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, David L. King wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, The Big Glee Bopper wrote: > > So Joe what do you think the efficacy of _no_ gesture is? Right around > > zero in my book. > > A better "gesture" is to write, call, etc. your legislators, and ask them > "what the heck were you thinking?" There are not _better_ gestures, just other gestures, of which yours is a nice one. I think we are up to 2 gestures in my book. 3 if we count Tony as our _down under_ obscene gesture -- sorry Tony, I couldn't resist. Others? --Thom From jjuhnke at osprey.smcm.edu Fri Feb 9 13:46:33 1996 From: jjuhnke at osprey.smcm.edu (Joanne Juhnke) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <s11b507a.007@osprey.smcm.edu> This looks like a misunderstanding about what it means to make one's pages black. The intention is to change the background color to black and the text to a lighter color, not to turn both text and background black so nothing can be read. That *would* be counterproductive! --Joanne Juhnke jjuhnke@osprey.smcm.edu St. Mary's College of Maryland Library ------------------------------- >Thank you - someone who actually makes sense! My pages also aren't black, >mainly because that'd be cutting access even further how does the change in color reduce access? -- Jose Perez-Carballo From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Fri Feb 9 13:53:54 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred (Bill) Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages References: <199602091635.LAA17031@carballo.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <311B9842.58F6@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> I have turned my hopepage black but do not feel I have the right to turn our library pages that color. My homepage is still fully functional. If I turn the library pages black it implies that the entire library staff agrees with my viewpoint. That may not be the case. The same goes for our college homepages that I help maintain. Here is the text I put at the top of my homepage: "This page is blackened (and has a black band across it for browsers that don't support background colors) in protest of the passage of the Communications "Decency" Amendment to the Telecom Bill For more information go to http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html " -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 New Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ -- From lindad at aloha.net Fri Feb 9 13:57:37 1996 From: lindad at aloha.net (Linda Dehnad) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: black pages Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960209084917.20114F-100000@hookomo.aloha.net> David King and Joe Schallan have a point, that there's no point in darkening pages and exascerbate the problem. I had time yesterday to surf the net looking for things and the number of black pages had a powerful effect on me. The far reaching consequences of the legislation became a dramatic reality, and I realized too that the objections to the legislation are widespread. For months I've gotten messages from concerned net people asking us all to contact our senators, congressmen, the president, etc. to speak up against the bill. The letters were from a group of very informed long time, almost professional net people. It sounded very specialized to me. Yesterday reality set it, and the extent of the damage was drmatically demonstrated by the number of black pages. It made me profoundly sad to realize what was happening. This is a new medium and it was hard for me to grasp the reality of the threat. Until yesterday. Linda Dehnad Kansai Gaidai Hawaii College Honolulu, Hawaii From shaffer at uic.edu Fri Feb 9 14:18:50 1996 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Christopher Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960209131649.93240B-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> I accidentally deleted the message I wanted to respond to... In response to the question about whether the word 'obscene' is in the Telecomm bill, the answer is yes. Look at <http://www.cdt.org/policy/freespeech/12_21.cda.html> for the text of the bill. ---- Protest the "indecent" communications bill passed by Congress and signed by Clinton February 8, 1996. Paint the net black. For more information, see: http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From LAURENCE at ACC.FAU.EDU Fri Feb 9 13:24:18 1996 From: LAURENCE at ACC.FAU.EDU (Helen Laurence) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <01I10GOHXM4O9YCSG7@acc.fau.edu> We have just linked our ILL request forms to our library home page. The only real issue for us was how to limit the service to patrons affiliated with the University. Linking to the circulation database of valid library card numbers was thought to be too problematic. We finally decided to "require" that a valid ID number be submitted on the form and check it manually the same way ILL requests on paper are done. This seems a rather "low-tech" solution considering the context. How are others dealing with this? TIA. Helen Dr. Helen Laurence Library Systems Dept. (407)367-3789 Florida Atlantic University, P.O. Box 3092, Boca Raton, FL 33431 Internet: laurence@acc.fau.edu Bitnet: laurence@fauvax From engwall at uthscsa.edu Fri Feb 9 14:35:20 1996 From: engwall at uthscsa.edu (Keith Engwall) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: your mail Message-ID: <v01530503ad4147e4d67b@[129.111.13.241]> Well, Ronnie Morgan, The problem is with the nitty gritty of the bill. Specifically, the difference between the terms "obscene" and "indecent". I do not have the specifics in front of me, but basically the difference is that "indecent" covers a much broader territory--medical terminology, any discussion about abortion (even speech against it, if it contains any details), etc. And, the assumption that minors can be prevented from reaching anything on the internet from the server end is naive. Only at the client end (using products which block *reception* of material) is it technologically feasible to filter the material (until we get chips implanted that verify we are who we claim we are on-line). The goal here is not to support smut-dealers. Pornography should be pursued with vigilance. However, what we're talking about is lazy, sloppy, hype-driven measures that throw out the baby with the bath-water. I work at a medical library. Technically, a high percentage of the on-line materials in our library is now illegal. Whether it will be enforced or not is a cop-out argument. The fact is that we are currently breaking the law by providing doctors in hospitals with information they need to deal with breast cancer, testicular cancer, to name only two examples of what is legally considered "indecent". I am getting married soon, and hope to have children. I would like to be able to be able to discuss openly strategies to protect my children from sexual molestation. That is now illegal. I'd like to find information about breast feeding for my wife. That is now illegal. Will this be enforced? The point is that it *COULD* be. In the meantime, because congress couldn't be more specific, we have to waste money and resources battling it out in the courts in a time when we are forced to cut corners to balance the budget. This is not a wise expenditure. The technology is ALREADY available for parents to block offensive materials (it needs improvement, yes... but not nearly as much as this legislation, and at far less cost... and NO cost to the federal government). And, considering that this only covers domestic material, you need this software ANYWAY! So, this legislation is not only too broadly written, ineffective, a form of censorship, and a waste of tax dollars, it is entirely redundant. Now, you tell me again how these things are a positive thing for the Internet, and the people on it, that other countries should adopt. Keith >** Reply to note from 02/09/96 03:40am -0800 > >> My page is in a week of mourning for this move down a path that is >> certain to violate my First Amendment Rights and transform the Internet >> into another example of overregulation, too much government -- thereby >> destroying it.... > >Could someone PLEASE tell me how in the world this bill is going to >"violate" ANY of my rights? I have read the bill, and I don't recall >anything to this effect. > >As I read it, it would force people to prevent information providers to make >sure that thier content is decent, and if not, make sure no one under age >can get to it. The smut-providers won't have to close shop, they will just >have to do a better job of keeping my 5 year old out of thier stuff. > >If anything, this bill is good for the internet, and I hope other countries >around the world will follow our example.... > > >Ronnie Morgan >Team OS/2 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu >Systems Manager >Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Engwall "Father can you save me, I been feelin' pretty sick. Systems Librarian Gotta ball and chain around my legs and an albatross Briscoe Library around my neck. Even though I wrote the script, I UTHSCSA disavow every part. I need the sweet fire of your engwall@uthscsa.edu love blowing through this hole in my heart." - VOL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Fri Feb 9 14:39:30 1996 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <v01530506ad415150b05b@[129.105.110.129]> At 11:29 AM 2/9/96, David L. King wrote: >> But material on subjects like AIDS, or Rennassance painting, or >> American history (try explaining 1968) or literature like Ulysses >> can all be impacted. > >But, is this a problem now? My understanding of this bill is that now, if >they want to, the FCC can "regulate" the Internet, much like they >"regulate" broadcast tv and radio. But things like date rape, civil >rights, AIDS, etc. are all represented on tv and radio - why would the >fcc do anything different on the internet? The standard of "indecency" is similar to broadcast television, but I don't think this law depends on FCC regulation to enforce it. I think rather, the amendments were added on to a section of law previously having to do with telephone harrassment. You really need to look at details of the law before and after to see the full impact. In prior drafts, section titles and abstracts were a bit misleading. (I'm not a lawyer and I've only read parts of the final version.) --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From hammerj at ALPHA.NSULA.EDU Fri Feb 9 14:53:30 1996 From: hammerj at ALPHA.NSULA.EDU (John Hammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <9602091534.AA0379@> Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960209133909.87702B-100000@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU> Decent according to whom? I happen to be greatly offended by items promulgating the continued degradation of our environment, or exalt in the killing and maiming of wild animals. To glorify war is, in my view, obscene, but the internet provides access to many items that do exactly that. Your choices of what is decent may not be mine and I don't believe we should provide access to only those items which offend no one. I certainly don't want you to make the decisions as to what my family and I have access to. *********************************************************************** John C. Hammer Head of Cataloging Opinions expressed Watson Library are mine only and not those Northwestern State University of my employer Natchitoches, LA 71497 hammerj@alpha.nsula.edu 318/357-4462 *********************************************************************** On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Ronnie Morgan wrote: > ** Reply to note from 02/09/96 03:40am -0800 > > > My page is in a week of mourning for this move down a path that is > > certain to violate my First Amendment Rights and transform the Internet > > into another example of overregulation, too much government -- thereby > > destroying it.... > > Could someone PLEASE tell me how in the world this bill is going to > "violate" ANY of my rights? I have read the bill, and I don't recall > anything to this effect. > > As I read it, it would force people to prevent information providers to make > sure that thier content is decent, and if not, make sure no one under age > can get to it. The smut-providers won't have to close shop, they will just > have to do a better job of keeping my 5 year old out of thier stuff. > > If anything, this bill is good for the internet, and I hope other countries > around the world will follow our example.... > > > Ronnie Morgan > Team OS/2 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu > Systems Manager > Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) > > > From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Fri Feb 9 15:02:31 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black page Message-ID: <199602092002.PAA12980@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 2487 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960209/fbcec899/attachment.bat From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Fri Feb 9 15:07:33 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <199602092007.PAA13002@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 947 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960209/b9d6972b/attachment.bat From HERNANDE at bird.library.arizona.edu Fri Feb 9 16:09:15 1996 From: HERNANDE at bird.library.arizona.edu (MARY N. HERNANDEZ) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black home pages (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.91.960209130827.10975A-100000@nashville.Library.Arizona.EDU> With Maryly's permission, I am forwarding this to you. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:00:05 EST From: Maryly Snow <slides@ced.berkeley.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list ARLIS-L <ARLIS-L@UKCC.UKY.EDU> Subject: Black home pages ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I sent email earlier about this protest, but the following letter is so eloquent and interesting that I am posting it as well. Thanks, Maryly Snow UC Berkeley Architecture Slide Library slides@ced.berkeley.edu > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FEBRUARY 6, 1996 > Contact: Steven Cherry > (201) 596-2851 > stc@vtw.org > Shabbir Safdar > (718) 596-2851 > shabbir@vtw.org > > New York, NY > > > INTERNET DAYS OF PROTEST TO BEGIN WHEN > PRESIDENT SIGNS TELECOMM BILL > INTO LAW > > > When there's a funeral in New Orleans, they don't just stand around > looking at a casket, there's a marching band, and when they mourn on the > Internet there's lots of noise as well. Virtual noise that is. Inside the > casket lies the First Amendment, and the noise is people turning their > World Wide Web sites black. > > The last gasp for the First Amendment will be heard later this week when > President Clinton signs the long-awaited Telecommunications Reform Bill. > Buried just below its surface, like a bomb waiting to explode, lies the > descendant of the Communications Decency Act, legislative language that > will ban "indecency" in cyberspace. George Carlin-style indecency, > broadcast-media style indecency. An FCC-enforced ban on indecency, as if > the government could monitor the millions of Web pages, Usenet postings, > email listservers, and chat messages generated across the Internet each > day. As if American law could restrict what's available on a global > Internet, where pinup photos, cancer support-group advice, and currency > exchanges can move at the same speed and in packets that are essentially > indistinguishable, and servers can move around the globe in a way that > physical goods manufacturers can only look at, black with envy. > > Black, as in the traditional color of mourning. The Grim Reaper wears > black. Judges wear black -- black robes symbolize a lack of favor to one > side or the other. The black of the "Day Without Art." The black that > people wear at funerals, to underline the loss of something important to > them. > > On the Internet, a network, a networked community, based entirely on > speech, nothing is more important the freedom from censorship enjoyed up > to the moment when President Clinton's pen puts an asterisk next to the > First Amendment, an asterisk that says, "except on-line speech," an > asterisk it will probably take the Supreme Court months, if not years > to erase. > > That black can be seen at http://www.surfwatch.com/, a popular site on > the Internet, and an especially ironic one to see it in. Surfwatch is > devoted to perfecting just the kind of parental controls that work far > more effectively than any government regulation could, and which > facilitate free speech instead of criminalizing it. > > That black can be seen at sites large and small, commercial and > noncommercial. Christopher L. Barnard, who maintains Illinois Virtual > Tourist, says that his black pages are all ready to be loaded as soon as > he hears the bill is signed. > > Turning the pages black, involves changing the backgrounds so that light > text appears on a dark background. It may not be aesthetically desirable, > as some, who are changing their pages anyway, have pointed out. It can > involve proprietary extensions to the formatting language of the Web, > complain others. It's been characterized the "Paint it Black" campaign by > some, and the "Thousand Points of Darkness" by others. > > All in all, just the sort of free-wheeling, outspoken, opinionated > activity that has characterized the Internet since its inception over > twenty years ago. "What can we do?" asks Shabbir Safdar, co-founder of > Voter's Telecommunications Watch, one of the many on-line activist > organizations organizing the campaign. "It also can't be seen by > text-only Web browsers, or by people with net-access that doesn't include > the Web. But we couldn't let the day go by unmarked." The campaign asks > Web-based information providers to turn their pages to black for > forty-eight hours after the President signs the telecomm bill into law. > > Sometimes it is easy to comply. Josh Quittner of Time-Warner's > Pathfinder, says, "Heck, our pages are black half the time anyway. But > for those two days they'll be black because of the telecomm bill." > Pathfinder is one of the largest and most-used sites on the Internet. > > Sheryl Stover, marketing director at Internet On-Ramp, Inc., of Austin, > Texas, said her personal page is already black. But all non-client pages > are being altered from Monday February 5th through the two day period > after Clinton's pen adds a black-ink graffiti scrawl across the Bill of > Rights. > > SurfWatch can be contacted at http://www.surfwatch.com/ or 800-458-6600. > > Christopher L. Barnard and the Illinois Virtual Tourist can be reached at > 312-702-8850, ilinfo-www@cs.uchicago.edu, and > http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/html/external/illinois/index.html. > > Pathfinder's Netly News can be found at > http://pathfinder.com/Netly/nnhome.html > > Sheryl Stover and the Internet On-Ramp, Inc. are at 509-624-RAMP and > http://www.ior.com/ > > Voters Telecommunications Watch is a volunteer organization, concentrating > on legislation as it relates to telecommunications and civil liberties. > VTW publishes a weekly BillWatch that tracks relevant legislation as it > progresses through Congress. It publishes periodic Alerts to inform the > about immediate action it can take to protect its on-line civil liberties > and privacy. > > More information about VTW can be found on-line at > > gopher -p 1/vtw gopher.panix.com > www: http://www.vtw.org > > or by writing to vtw@vtw.org. The press can call (718) 596-2851 or > contact: > > Shabbir Safdar Steven Cherry > shabbir@vtw.org stc@vtw.org > > > From engwall at uthscsa.edu Fri Feb 9 16:31:35 1996 From: engwall at uthscsa.edu (Keith Engwall) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <v01530504ad41674d37c1@[129.111.13.241]> Just in case there are folks in our crowd who are not familiar with the specific legislation in question. If I understand correctly, the portion of the legislation that is under protest is as follows: Section 502. Obscene Or Harassing Use of Telecommunications Facilities Under the Communications Act of 1934. Section 223 (47 U.S.C. 223) is amended-- ...skip... (2) by adding at the end the following new subsections: `(d) Whoever-- `(1) in interstate or foreign communications knowingly-- `(A) uses an interactive computer service to send to a specific person or persons under 18 years of age, or `(B) uses any interactive computer service to display in a manner available to a person under 18 years of age, any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other communication that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards, sexual or excretory activities or organs, regardless of whether the user of such service placed the call or initiated the communication; or `(2) knowingly permits any telecommunications facility under such person's control to be used for an activity prohibited by paragraph (1) with the intent that it be used for such activity, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Engwall "Father can you save me, I been feelin' pretty sick. Systems Librarian Gotta ball and chain around my legs and an albatross Briscoe Library around my neck. Even though I wrote the script, I UTHSCSA disavow every part. I need the sweet fire of your engwall@uthscsa.edu love blowing through this hole in my heart." - VOL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rmorgan at harding.edu Fri Feb 9 16:24:53 1996 From: rmorgan at harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <9602092124.AA0785@> Okay, I have read several messages replying to what I had said. Let me make a couple more statements about this issue. First, I do believe that the parents should take some, if not most, of the responsibility of what his/her child views on the Internet, TV, etc. But, the information providers have to take some as well. I can leave my child in front of the TV, and feel pretty good that he won't see some naked woman (although late at night, that may not be true). I don't feel the same way while he is on the internet. And yes, I know about the software out there that can prevent him from accessing the stuff, but even that isn't fool proof. The information provider has to take some responsibility. Second, anything I say is my own opinion, and not of Harding University. Third, I have yet to see ANY evidence that this bill will violate ANY of my rights. Some one will need to point me in the right direction, because I have not yet found the way. I believe what is happening is, one person reads the bill, interprets it to mean one thing, tells someone, that someone believes him and tells others. It's called the snow-ball effect. Let's have a moment of silence while we all read the bill ourselves, and then we can interpret it ourselves. And with a little common sense from each of us, we may come to some common ground. The http address for the final bill is, http://www.cdt.org/policy/freespeech/12_21.cda.html. (I think someone else has already posted it). I just read most of it, and it's interesting. I still don't see where my rights are being affected... It's also interesting to point out the difference between a publisher and a provider. The provider is the one who is giving a publisher access to the internet. The provider is not held responsible, in any way, shape or form, for any thing his/her users (the publishers) put on the internet. The publishers can still provide thier material. The following is a direct quote from the bill regarding this issue: "(c) PROTECTION FOR 'GOOD SAMARITAN BLOCKING AND SCREENING OF OFFENSIVE MATERIAL. "(1) TREATMENT OF PUBLISHER OR SPEAKER. No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. "(2) CIVIL LIABILITY. No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of "(A) any- action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or "(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1). " I didn't see "can not provide" any where in there, or in the entire bill... So, again I say, how is this bill violating any of my rights? And, I didn't see anything about abortion, AIDS, the Bible, or anything that people have said would be "banned" because of this bill. Ronnie Morgan Team OS/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu Systems Manager Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Fri Feb 9 17:29:23 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <199602092229.RAA13245@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1051 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960209/c36d54f6/attachment.bat From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Fri Feb 9 17:35:05 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Other countries... Message-ID: <199602092235.RAA13266@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 338 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960209/8d685c54/attachment.bat From lwilliam at nslsilus.org Fri Feb 9 18:21:40 1996 From: lwilliam at nslsilus.org (Lesley Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black page In-Reply-To: <199602092002.PAA12980@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602091749.B21657-0100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, John Adder Fink wrote: > > I've got a question, too. I'm the system administrator for a university > library. If someone pulls some porn off on a public Netscape station in > my library, on a network that I am responsible for, and the porn in > question comes from someplace off-campus, I am still held responsible and > can be thrown in jail and fined however-many-hundreds-of-thousands, even > though I can't control what people view. Is this interpretation of the > Internet Censorship Act correct? > I don't know, but that's *exactly* what I'm worried about. I checked the ALA page, and called their office in Chicago, and they had no response prepared regarding the Telecommunications Act and libraries which provide Internet access to patrons. Our local library system has duly blackened its page, but they had no information about this either. Has anyone heard any clear analysis or guidelines about a library's responsibility under this law? I've been trying to get into the EFF page all afternoon, and it's just too busy. Worriedly, Lesley Williams Arlington Heights Memorial Library lwilliam@nslsilus.org 847-506-2667 From rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu Fri Feb 9 20:10:35 1996 From: rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Robert Wagers) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <311B9842.58F6@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960209170539.1709A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Wilfred (Bill) Drew wrote: > I have turned my hopepage black but do not feel I have the right to turn > our library pages that color. My homepage is still fully functional. > If I turn the library pages black it implies that the entire library > staff agrees with my viewpoint. That may not be the case. The same goes > for our college homepages that I help maintain. > > Here is the text I put at the top of my homepage: > > "This page is blackened (and has a black band across it for browsers > that don't support background colors) in protest of the passage of the > Communications "Decency" Amendment to the Telecom Bill > > For more information go to http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html " > > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > New Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ > -- Does it imply that the library staff agrees with a certain opinion (accepts the telecommunications act's stipulations on Internet access) if you leave it alone? You can't have it both ways. By the way, doesn't the library/college's web page reflect the opinions of the entire campus community? If you leave it alone or turn it black, are you sure you're reflecting all their points of view. Sorry there is no neutral position in this, as much as you wish one! R. Wagers From kgs at interactive.net Fri Feb 9 23:18:24 1996 From: kgs at interactive.net (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill Message-ID: <v01530504ad41c269d310@[204.97.113.23]> It's once again time to walk the walk. I was inspired to do so when I re-read a truly marvelous essay by Joan Didion where she describes a scene from a trashy monster movie: "Say, why the brown study?" "Oh, nothing--just can't get that monster out of my mind." Well, I can't get the Telecomm monster out of *my* mind. The folks who preach about "decency" and the 'net (and pushed for the censorship sections of the telecomm bill) have a pretty broad definition of what isn't decent. I listen to them on the radio, I read their tracts, and I am here to tell you they are very clear about what we should do and believe. One of the sublunary targets of the radical right is the gay-rights movement, and they earn a "shack" on the Telecomm Bill. As a librarian, the Telecomm Bill annoys me, because it's so vague about funding. Oh blah blah blah, don't give me should--give me how and when. But as a lesbian, this bill terrifies me, because I feel targeted. It also angers me, because I believe I'm a good person. I go to church, I'm in a committed monogamous relationship, I volunteer time to my community, I vote. I work very hard on those "ties that bind." But to the right, I'm just something to eradicate or at least make invisible--a cultural pimple. Sure, the bill doesn't mention homosexuals, gay websites, etc. It doesn't have to. Piece together your typical right-wing talk show and the language of the Bill, and to quote another famous American, "you don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." It hasn't been so long that gay people have had the rights we now have (still far less than straight people, but better than before). I also know that what is given can be taken away. There was a time--even in my own lifetime--when anything relating to homosexuality sent through the mail was considered prima facie obscene. (Let's not even discuss the legal and social consequences of living an open lifestyle; I'm just discussing media.) We know what I'm talking about--that any electronic media related to homosexuality will soon be verboten, gone, disappeared El Salvador style. (Au revoir Karen's Kitchen, among other things.) Gay materials won't be the only material to go, by a long shot--but we will be among the first. We can ramble on about parental rights and so forth, but let's get real. The folks behind the conservative parts of the telecomm bill aren't concerned about parental rights, except to the point where they can control what parents see. I seriously doubt they really care about kids. They think it's o.k. for private companies and boards to determine public standards. They're thrilled, I'm sure, to hear a deafening silence from the library community, and even more thrilled to hear rumblings of discontent that web pages were made slightly less convenient for several days. (You want to know what "inconvenient" means? My life-partner and I cannot marry or share health benefits. Talk to me some more about that hard-to-read web page you hit this week.) They must be in frissons of ecstacy that we are not "naming it"--that is, saying what is REALLY going on. I feel a sense of futility--that some will be alienated by this post, others will think it paranoid and a few who get my drift will, like me, not know what to do. But I feel the new Right is talking, and more importantly, acting in a code that we are refusing to read, however clear it will appear in the aftermath. All I can do is continue writing by candlelight. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Karen's Kitchen reopening soon at a URL near you! From ace at Opus1.COM Sat Feb 10 00:39:38 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill Message-ID: <01I10XYKAPMQDBGO4U@Opus1.COM> Karen-- anyone?.. want to go in on an "offshore" internet provider? I say this to the entire list because I am in more than concurrence here with Karen's comments. It doesn't matter if I am a heterosexual female but watch out! I have links to banned books on my webpage, my email is perused just like others for something "funky" to someone and I am married to a past Libertarian Senate Candidate.. What astounds me the most, and was a total failure on all our attempts to get coverage, was the lack of print media attention to this of all most important issues. Well, doesn't take a rocket scientist to get this one. Did everyone see the articles into today's papers, Friday, the day after Clinton signed the bill?-- the most interesting lines being, "As the American people discover the benefits of the new Telecomm Bill..." We couldn't get a fountain pen spill of ink into the papers on this Telecom Bill before the Congressional passage or Presidential signing, now its all fawning, while At*T announces their new plan (good, bad I wouldn't know but just johnny on the spot I'd say) as the brokers on wall street can't stop the tide of people dumping their money into stocks. They are saying if they don't take the money and invest they will be accused of losing millions for their clients, while obviously more than uneasy about the problems of the next weeks.. remember Octber 1989?.. I do, took down American Rocket for a while, my bread and butter.... As for parent rights, well, when a self-confessed murderer who killed over child custody gets custody of another child before the stay-at-home mother (ex-wife of said murderer) I think we should consider taking to the hills!... actually we should stop asking the courts for child support! My tirade doesn't' end here... but I guess I'll end it because i know this isn't the list for this. I had to respond to Karen, a person I admire immensely for her Internet studies, I wish I could work with her up there in the cold climes... or anywhere.. Funny but truth is still truth no matter what those people say, those trying to take out the Internet the same way the radio stations were taken out in the 1920's and 1930's- death knell with "national security" of the WWII --makes way for big bucks and lotsa luck for the rest of us. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com http://www.opus1.com/~ace serendipity RULES! At 08:15 PM 2/9/96 -0800, Karen G. Schneider wrote: >It's once again time to walk the walk. I was inspired to do so when I >re-read a truly marvelous essay by Joan Didion where she describes a scene >from a trashy monster movie: "Say, why the brown study?" "Oh, >nothing--just can't get that monster out of my mind." > >Well, I can't get the Telecomm monster out of *my* mind. The folks who >preach about "decency" and the 'net (and pushed for the censorship sections >of the telecomm bill) have a pretty broad definition of what isn't decent. >I listen to them on the radio, I read their tracts, and I am here to tell >you they are very clear about what we should do and believe. > >One of the sublunary targets of the radical right is the gay-rights >movement, and they earn a "shack" on the Telecomm Bill. As a librarian, >the Telecomm Bill annoys me, because it's so vague about funding. Oh blah >blah blah, don't give me should--give me how and when. But as a lesbian, >this bill terrifies me, because I feel targeted. It also angers me, >because I believe I'm a good person. I go to church, I'm in a committed >monogamous relationship, I volunteer time to my community, I vote. I work >very hard on those "ties that bind." But to the right, I'm just something >to eradicate or at least make invisible--a cultural pimple. Sure, the bill >doesn't mention homosexuals, gay websites, etc. It doesn't have to. Piece >together your typical right-wing talk show and the language of the Bill, >and to quote another famous American, "you don't have to be a weatherman to >know which way the wind blows." > >It hasn't been so long that gay people have had the rights we now have >(still far less than straight people, but better than before). I also know >that what is given can be taken away. There was a time--even in my own >lifetime--when anything relating to homosexuality sent through the mail was >considered prima facie obscene. (Let's not even discuss the legal and >social consequences of living an open lifestyle; I'm just discussing >media.) We know what I'm talking about--that any electronic media related >to homosexuality will soon be verboten, gone, disappeared El Salvador >style. (Au revoir Karen's Kitchen, among other things.) Gay materials >won't be the only material to go, by a long shot--but we will be among the >first. > >We can ramble on about parental rights and so forth, but let's get real. >The folks behind the conservative parts of the telecomm bill aren't >concerned about parental rights, except to the point where they can control >what parents see. I seriously doubt they really care about kids. They think >it's o.k. for private companies and boards to determine public standards. >They're thrilled, I'm sure, to hear a deafening silence from the library >community, and even more thrilled to hear rumblings of discontent that web >pages were made slightly less convenient for several days. (You want to >know what "inconvenient" means? My life-partner and I cannot marry or share >health benefits. Talk to me some more about that hard-to-read web page you >hit this week.) They must be in frissons of ecstacy that we are not >"naming it"--that is, saying what is REALLY going on. > >I feel a sense of futility--that some will be alienated by this post, >others will think it paranoid and a few who get my drift will, like me, not >know what to do. But I feel the new Right is talking, and more importantly, >acting in a code that we are refusing to read, however clear it will appear >in the aftermath. All I can do is continue writing by candlelight. > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * >http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ >Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries >Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) >Karen's Kitchen reopening soon at a URL near you! > > > From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Sat Feb 10 02:26:33 1996 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:14 2005 Subject: Sources of info on the telecom act Message-ID: <v01510100ad41f1f6c43c@[129.105.9.131]> The full text as sent to the president is available at: ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/s652.enr.txt (The web site http://thomas.loc.gov/ offers various ways to search the text.) Some of the prior US law being amended is on the web at: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/index.html Some relavant parts are: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/223.html http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1462.html (The 2nd URL contains a specific reference to information on abortion; which is not obvious from reading the amendments in the bill itself.) I'm not quite sure how current the material at cornell is: I couldn't find some cross-references. This organizations have been covering the issue: http://www.vtw.org/ http://www.cdt.org/ http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/ I'm afraid that quoting a few paragraphs without the context of terms defined elsewhere and the text amended does not do justice to some of the issues. These are the best free sources I've found for this kind of context. --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From lindad at aloha.net Sat Feb 10 03:19:57 1996 From: lindad at aloha.net (Linda Dehnad) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill In-Reply-To: <01I10XYKAPMQDBGO4U@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960209221020.2313B-100000@hookomo.aloha.net> I wondered if it was just coincidence today that NPR had a Milosc (I knew I'd have a problem spelling his name -- the world renowned Polish poet - first name begins with C and has a z Czeslaw Milosc?) reading a poem he wrote on a horrid day in Poland historically important in relationto the Warsaw Ghetto. He called it the end of the world, and painted a picture of women walking with umbrellas, and everyone doing everything they normally do every day, because the end of the world seems just like any other day until it's over, and then we see that, OH NO! it was extraordinary, if only we'd known. People talked for months about the telecomunications bill, but it was hard to get excited about it. It didn't have a ring of reality about it, it being virtual reality and all. But now we all see, and it makes an impression. Surfing the net is a pain when so many pages are blacked out. But it becomes clear that plenty of people are very upset. And if that is what it took for us all to realize the depths of the disaster, well then all is not lost. At least we see and feel it now. Many people see and feel it. It might be less difficult now for us to be moved to express ourselves, in unison perhaps. Or then again, an offshore island ISP isn't a bad idea. Linda Linda Dehnad Kansai Gaidai Hawaii College Honolulu HawaiiOn Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Elisabeth Roche wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:47:33 -0800 > From: Elisabeth Roche <ace@Opus1.COM> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: the telecomm bill > > Karen-- anyone?.. want to go in on an "offshore" internet provider? > > I say this to the entire list because I am in more than concurrence here > with Karen's comments. It doesn't matter if I am a heterosexual female but > watch out! I have links to banned books on my webpage, my email is perused > just like others for something "funky" to someone and I am married to a past > Libertarian Senate Candidate.. > > What astounds me the most, and was a total failure on all our attempts to > get coverage, was the lack of print media attention to this of all most > important issues. > > Well, doesn't take a rocket scientist to get this one. > > Did everyone see the articles into today's papers, Friday, the day after > Clinton signed the bill?-- the most interesting lines being, "As the > American people discover the benefits of the new Telecomm Bill..." > > We couldn't get a fountain pen spill of ink into the papers on this Telecom > Bill before the Congressional passage or Presidential signing, now its all > fawning, while At*T announces their new plan (good, bad I wouldn't know but > just johnny on the spot I'd say) as the brokers on wall street can't stop > the tide of people dumping their money into stocks. They are saying if they > don't take the money and invest they will be accused of losing millions for > their clients, while obviously more than uneasy about the problems of the > next weeks.. remember Octber 1989?.. I do, took down American Rocket for a > while, my bread and butter.... > > As for parent rights, well, when a self-confessed murderer who killed over > child custody gets custody of another child before the stay-at-home mother > (ex-wife of said murderer) I think we should consider taking to the > hills!... actually we should stop asking the courts for child support! > > My tirade doesn't' end here... but I guess I'll end it because i know this > isn't the list for this. > > I had to respond to Karen, a person I admire immensely for her Internet > studies, I wish I could work with her up there in the cold climes... or > anywhere.. > > Funny but truth is still truth no matter what those people say, those trying > to take out the Internet the same way the radio stations were taken out in > the 1920's and 1930's- death knell with "national security" of the WWII > --makes way for big bucks and lotsa luck for the rest of us. > > > Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com > http://www.opus1.com/~ace > serendipity RULES! > > > > > At 08:15 PM 2/9/96 -0800, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > >It's once again time to walk the walk. I was inspired to do so when I > >re-read a truly marvelous essay by Joan Didion where she describes a scene > >from a trashy monster movie: "Say, why the brown study?" "Oh, > >nothing--just can't get that monster out of my mind." > > > >Well, I can't get the Telecomm monster out of *my* mind. The folks who > >preach about "decency" and the 'net (and pushed for the censorship sections > >of the telecomm bill) have a pretty broad definition of what isn't decent. > >I listen to them on the radio, I read their tracts, and I am here to tell > >you they are very clear about what we should do and believe. > > > >One of the sublunary targets of the radical right is the gay-rights > >movement, and they earn a "shack" on the Telecomm Bill. As a librarian, > >the Telecomm Bill annoys me, because it's so vague about funding. Oh blah > >blah blah, don't give me should--give me how and when. But as a lesbian, > >this bill terrifies me, because I feel targeted. It also angers me, > >because I believe I'm a good person. I go to church, I'm in a committed > >monogamous relationship, I volunteer time to my community, I vote. I work > >very hard on those "ties that bind." But to the right, I'm just something > >to eradicate or at least make invisible--a cultural pimple. Sure, the bill > >doesn't mention homosexuals, gay websites, etc. It doesn't have to. Piece > >together your typical right-wing talk show and the language of the Bill, > >and to quote another famous American, "you don't have to be a weatherman to > >know which way the wind blows." > > > >It hasn't been so long that gay people have had the rights we now have > >(still far less than straight people, but better than before). I also know > >that what is given can be taken away. There was a time--even in my own > >lifetime--when anything relating to homosexuality sent through the mail was > >considered prima facie obscene. (Let's not even discuss the legal and > >social consequences of living an open lifestyle; I'm just discussing > >media.) We know what I'm talking about--that any electronic media related > >to homosexuality will soon be verboten, gone, disappeared El Salvador > >style. (Au revoir Karen's Kitchen, among other things.) Gay materials > >won't be the only material to go, by a long shot--but we will be among the > >first. > > > >We can ramble on about parental rights and so forth, but let's get real. > >The folks behind the conservative parts of the telecomm bill aren't > >concerned about parental rights, except to the point where they can control > >what parents see. I seriously doubt they really care about kids. They think > >it's o.k. for private companies and boards to determine public standards. > >They're thrilled, I'm sure, to hear a deafening silence from the library > >community, and even more thrilled to hear rumblings of discontent that web > >pages were made slightly less convenient for several days. (You want to > >know what "inconvenient" means? My life-partner and I cannot marry or share > >health benefits. Talk to me some more about that hard-to-read web page you > >hit this week.) They must be in frissons of ecstacy that we are not > >"naming it"--that is, saying what is REALLY going on. > > > >I feel a sense of futility--that some will be alienated by this post, > >others will think it paranoid and a few who get my drift will, like me, not > >know what to do. But I feel the new Right is talking, and more importantly, > >acting in a code that we are refusing to read, however clear it will appear > >in the aftermath. All I can do is continue writing by candlelight. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * > >http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ > >Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries > >Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) > >Karen's Kitchen reopening soon at a URL near you! > > > > > > > > From kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu Sat Feb 10 06:01:31 1996 From: kurt at frontier.wilpaterson.edu (Kurt W. Wagner-Reference/Electronic Resources) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill In-Reply-To: <01I10XYKAPMQDBGO4U@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960210054908.24583A-100000@frontier.wilpaterson.edu> I cannot top the erudite essays of Karen and Betsey, but just wish to add that this legislation's effects will be felt not only within the circumscribed areas that they mentioned. What do I, a white, anglo-saxon, heterosexual, protestant, republican have to gripe about? Well, you can start with the what the Founding Fathers had to say. I don't have vague, alarmist fears about the impact this will have on the Internet. I just fear that the time will come when I log on and cannot find the open discussions (with unfettered descriptive language) on the universe of topics the Usenet is famous for. When the regulation is complete, the vanillification is achieved, the 'net is cruelty/violence/freedom free, it will have lost the very thing it is founded upon. You'll say "the law restricts the child pornographers, not freedom of speech" but when the common denominator gets to set the rules for all the rest, then this medium is crippled. Kurt /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Kurt W. Wagner kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu Reference Librarian/Electronic Resources (201)595-2285 William Paterson College of New Jersey www.wilpaterson.edu/wpcpages/library/sarah.htm www.wilpaterson.edu/home/staff/kwagner/kurt.htm /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From thom at indiana.edu Sat Feb 10 11:08:59 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960209170539.1709A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960210105417.6958F-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> > Does it imply that the library staff agrees with a certain > opinion (accepts the telecommunications act's stipulations on Internet > access) if you leave it alone? You can't have it both ways. By the way, > doesn't the library/college's web page reflect the opinions of the entire > campus community? If you leave it alone or turn it black, are you sure > you're reflecting all their points of view. Sorry there is no neutral > position in this, as much as you wish one! Before we get terminally dumb on the meaning of this statement: <BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"> It _means_ make the background _black_ That is all!! The _implied_ context is ... in your mind and maybe others who share you "consensual hallucination" What is your background now? <BODY BGCOLOR="#e3f16f"> Do you expect to be fired because you changed the background from yellow to black? Was yellow mandated by your community as represenative? Grey? White? --Thom From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Sat Feb 10 11:32:13 1996 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <9602101632.AA07377@dlapr.state.az.us> >On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Joe Schallan wrote: >> Beyond these considerations, I do not feel that it is my role to use >> pages that I developed with taxpayer money to grind my own >> particular political ax. For all I know, the majority of the taxpayers > And Carlos McEvilly replied: >I thought that librarians had a credo that they learn >in library school that says something to the effect >that part of the profession is upholding free access >to information... am I wrong? I thought it would >have been your professional axe to grind, not (just) >a personal one. Since I'm not a librarian I'm curious >to find out if I've been misinformed. Thanks. Carlos, Thanks for hitting on what I think is the hard part of all this uproar. Personally and professionally, I am opposed to censorship. It is a slippery slope and you don't want to start down it. I think web access ought to be wide open, with the responsibility for use placed with the user. But as a city employee I also took a pledge not to politicize anything I do in my role as a public servant. The opposition to the Exon provision is high-minded and worthy of support, but no matter how worthy, it is still a political matter. If library patrons ask me for my views on censorship, I will tell them, and I will note that those views are my own but are widely shared within the profession. But my web site is considered an official communication with citizens by both my director and my city administration. It must remain apolitical. I think it is fine for .com and .org and .edu sites (where the "orgs" and the "edus" are private ones) to make any statement they wish. Thanks for your comments. Joe PS. I think there is a tendency in our profession, which seems dominated by political liberals, to act as though it knows what's better for the citizens it serves than they do. That attitude invites interference in the library's mission, as the recent controversy involving a group called Family Friendly Libraries shows. We need to simultaneously uphold freedom of thought and be respectful of citizens' concerns. No one said it would always be easy. ==================================================== Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us Reference Librarian and Webmaster Glendale (Arizona) Public Library http://www.maricopa.gov/glendale/localgov/library/library.htm From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Sat Feb 10 12:01:54 1996 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black page Message-ID: <9602101701.AA07474@dlapr.state.az.us> John Fink wrote: > >What fun. Am I supposed to effectively quit my job, and become a 24-hr a >day porn site finder and blocker? Wow. Just what I want to do. Huzzah. > It's occurred to me that there must be staff at SurfWatch and CyberPatrol doing exactly that! One can envision a scenario: "And what do you do for a living, Mr. Fink?" "I look for dirty pictures on the Internet." Joe PS. Seriously, I think most of us want to be librarians and not moral police. Curious that in a country whose citizens worship at the altar of personal freedom as in no other country, we have a longstanding parallel tradition of legislating morality. No one has been quite able to drive a stake through the heart of the Volstead Act. ==================================================== Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us Reference Librarian and Webmaster Glendale (Arizona) Public Library http://www.maricopa.gov/glendale/localgov/library/library.htm From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Sat Feb 10 12:15:35 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred (Bill) Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960209170539.1709A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <311CD2B7.7C36@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> I sent this response to Mr. Wagers: <FLAME ON> You need a good dose of reality. Our college has over 3000 students, 150 faculty and 200 support staff. Am I supposed to ask each one what they think? I personally am not taking a neutral position. I wrote my congressmen. Did you?<FLAME OFF> Excuse me for getting hot under the collar. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 New Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ -- From thom at indiana.edu Sat Feb 10 12:58:34 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960209170539.1709A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960210124226.7499A-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> ***** > > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian > > I have turned my hopepage black but do not feel I have the right to turn > > our library pages that color. ***** > R. Wagers > You can't have it both ways. By the way, > doesn't the library/college's web page reflect the opinions of the entire > campus community? If you leave it alone or turn it black, are you sure > you're reflecting all their points of view. Sorry there is no neutral > position in this, as much as you wish one! ***** Mamet did a play called Oleana where the advertising said: No matter which side you side with you are wrong. I think this is a similar situtation. Bill is right he doesn't have the _right_. Robert is right there is no neutral situation. Doing nothing is making a political statement in itself. If Bill exercises that most extreme of politcal statements known to man and woman in 1996 in the USA <BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"> he does provide an opportunity for his college to deal with the situation in a public forum because there are a few people who will object to the use of <BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"> in public discourse. Could think of it as _educational_ moment. --Thom From rwagers at WAHOO.sjsu.edu Fri Feb 9 00:46:11 1996 From: rwagers at WAHOO.sjsu.edu (Robert Wagers) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960208221503.12560C-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960208214459.16650C-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> Also, "no gesture" IS a political statement! r wagers On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, The Big Glee Bopper wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Joe Schallan wrote: > > > Haven't turned my pages black and do not plan to. > > > > Have doubts about the efficacy of such a gesture. Is preaching to the > > converted. Doubt if Senator Exon surfs the net. > > So Joe what do you think the efficacy of _no_ gesture is? Right around > zero in my book. > > > Beyond these considerations, I do not feel that it is my role to use > > pages that I developed with taxpayer money to grind my own > > particular political ax. For all I know, the majority of the taxpayers > > who employ me may think censoring the web is a terrific idea. > > But even if they don't, I should no more turn my pages black than > > I should tile a pic of Hillary C. for wallpaper. > > > Cute. Maybe read Meeks article and think about efficacy one way or the other. > > **** > > [Parental advisory: Brock is being his usual profane self. The first > half is a funny rant; the second half contains useful information about > the censorship provisions in the telecom bill.] > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). > Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. > You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use > the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions > for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help@weber.ucsd.edu > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:17:43 -0800 > From: "Brock N. Meeks" <brock@well.com> > To: cwd-l@cyberwerks.com > Subject: CWD--We're Not in Kansas Anymore > > > CyberWire Dispatch // Copyright (c) 1996 // > > Jacking in from the "Abandon All Hope" Port: > > Washington, DC -- Forty-eight hours and a half bottle of Jack Daniel's > into my 40th birthday and suddenly I knew what I had to do: Compress > my pending mid-life crisis into one white hot shining moment. > > So I filed a lawsuit against the United States of America, calling the > bluff of this bastard Congress, claiming the indecency provisions > contained in the Telecommunications Act of 1996 are unconstitutional. > > And so it is. On Wednesday Dispatch becomes a plaintiff in a legal > tussle for free speech in cyberspace. The American Civil Liberties > Union is doing the heavylifting; a handful of others will be keeping > me company. Before President Clinton can drop the signing pen for this > rat-fucked piece of legislation on Thursday, the suits at the ACLU will > be marching into court, papers in hand. > > Having worked myself into a lather over this on the strength of a > strange voodoo rhythm that only Pat Buchanan stumping in Louisiana > before hordes of gun worshiping gay bashers could love, a sudden evil > chill crawled up my spine. My Gwad! What if I've been set up? Yes, > that's it. The timing of this millstone legislation was calculated to > pass just inside the morose window of my birthday. I'm being > purposefully driven mad. > > But who could harbor such a grudge? Who would be devious and cunning > enough to yank Sen. Bob Dole's chain and make him delay the vote just > long enough for me to turn 40? There could only be one answer: Mike > Nelson, the Administration's point man on encryption policy and a > former staffer for Vice President Gore when he was just a second-class > Senator from a third rate state. > > Nelson, you see, is fond of introducing me as "the most dangerous man > on the Net." Clever, but he stole the line from my Mother or > ex-wife... but I digress. Yes, it has to be him. > > Seizing the moment, I knew there was only one thing to do: Alert the > President before he signed this bill, thus becoming an unwitting dupe > in Nelson's twisted plot to turn my brain into gruel. > > But I needed a plan. I knew that if I could only talk to Bill, chat > him up face to face, maybe share one of those contraband Cuban cigars > the CIA smuggles in for him, all would be right with the world. He'd > see he was just a pawn and not only veto the bill, but he'd rush to the > Rose Garden, tear the mother into shreds and feed it to the > Republicans. > > Around 11 p.m. I made my way to the front gate of the White House. "I > have an urgent message for the President," I said, "I need to see him > immediately." The guard was not amused and fumbled for what must > have been an Uzi resting under his overcoat. "I'm with the press," I said. > I dug for my credentials and flashed them. Now the guard's grip began > to tighten on a weapon outlawed-for-all-sane-people and barked at me > something about a joke that could get me 5-10 in the slammer. > > I looked at my press credentials. Egad! I'd flashed my Diner's > Club Card! I couldn't bullshit my way out of this, no use trying, I > slunk away. > > It was just about midnight that I thought of the rats. > > The plan was deceptively simple. I'd scrawl an urgent message in > paragraphs, attach one each to a rat, bag the lot and toss the entire > rodent tribe over the White House fence with instructions not to stop > until they had stormed their way inside. > > The logistics worked fine, on paper; however, I suddenly realized that > once inside the White House no one would be able to tell the rats from > the White House Press Corps. I ditched the plan. > > That was when a cat leapt from an alley. He looked strikingly like the > First Cat Socks. I pounced on him. Fate would not be so generous > again. This was an omen. > > My plan now entailed tying my entire message around the neck of this > Socks-Imposter. The rest would be easy. First, I put masking tape > on the bottom of the cat's feet. Next, I had to calculate the > trajectory for tossing this beast over the fence and onto the White > House lawn. Now this is not an easy task for a 40-year-old, lathered > and booze-addled, mathematically challenged journalist. > > The Arc of the Cat, you see, is crucial. Too high and he'd be caught > in the radar that now guards against low flying single engine planes > with a habit of making unscheduled landings on the front lawn. Any > blip on that early warning radar and a surface to air missile launches > from just inside the White House tree line. The missile, I figured, > would do serious damage to the note. > > No, the Arc of the Cat had to barely clear the fence, yet land squarely > on the lawn. If I was lucky, once on the ground the cat would begin > to writhe in spastic convulsions due to the masking tape on the bottom > of its paws; cats hate this, it drives them fucking nuts. [Disclaimer: > Kids, Do Not try this at home with Muffy. You have been warned.] > > This twisted feline mambo was important for two reasons. One, it would > make the cat a much tougher target for any of a number of snipers that > camp on the roofs of all tall buildings within the line of sight of the > White House. Yes, they're there, watching through night scopes, ready > and willing to drill any intruder. Secondly, the cat's crazed dance > would immediately set off the motion detectors and the Secret Service > would come running. They'd discover "Socks" and rush him inside to the > First Family's private residence. Clinton, being the curious man he > is, would take note of the message around the "Socks-Imposter" and no > doubt phone the front gate and have me summoned to his private > chambers, offer me a Cuban contraband cigar and praise me for having > saved him one of the greatest humiliations of his presidency. > > And it would have worked, too, but I didn't factor in the cat's > unwillingness to become a feline projectile. At the top of his arc, > the cat pulled off a perfect pike maneuver that would have a former East > German diving judge cough up a perfect "10." This mutant furball > careened off the top of the fence and hauled ass down Pennsylvania Ave. > > Dejected, I resigned myself to the only recourse I have left: Dispatch. > > Pee Wee Herman In An Overcoat > ============================= > > There are so many things wrong with this bill that it's hard to know > where to start. Of course the anti-indecency provisions are by now > well-known. Say a dirty word on-line, go directly to jail. Hell, > reading this Dispatch or forwarding it to a friend could land net you 2 > years behind bars and set you back $250,000. > > In addition, seems Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Ill.) snuck in a sentence that, > theoretically, makes it a crime to also send any language dealing with > abortion through cyberspace. This apparently due to something called > the Comstock Act, which was put in place about the same time all those > laws that made spitting on the sidewalk a crime also passed into law, > somewhere around the around the turn of the century. > > But court decisions have rendered Comstock obsolete, yet it's still > officially on the books. Hyde's staff swear up and down that they > added the provision at the behest of the Justice Department, yet they > can produce no proof. Hyde promised that the provision wasn't meant > to forestall abortion information. Small catch... as long as Roe v. > Wade stands as law, that's true. But if that ruling is overturned, and > it is under constant assault, the Comstock Act is given new life. > > Now here's a thought: Hyde is an ardent supporter of overturning Roe > v. Wade... so you figure out the real implications here. > > You Call This Deregulatory? > ========================= > > Although supporters of this bill insist that it is deregulatory, don't > believe it. First of all, congressional sources conspired at the last > moment, and in secret, with no debate and with no mention in public > meetings, to make sure the there was nothing in the bill that would > keep the FCC from *regulating* the Internet. > > David Lynch, Rep. John Dingell's (D-Mich.) telecom staffer, told me > point blank that the bill "does not limit the FCC's ability to regulate > the Internet." As if that weren't enough, Lynch vamped on: "If the > Internet starts looking like a telephone company we might have to start > looking at regulating it like one." Two words: Internet Telephone. > You figure out the rest. > > Suffice to say, Congress set us all up with this bill. They've painted > a huge red bullseye on the Net and when Clinton signs the bill, hunting > season is open. > > Want more arcane bullshit? Okay, here it is. In a 22-page document > titled "FCC Proceedings and Actions Required by the Telecommunications > Act of 1996," the law firm of Wiley, Rein and Fielding outlines 69 > separate *regulatory* "proceedings or actions" the FCC must undertake > because of this bill. It covers everything from "Delegation of Ship > Inspections to Private Parties" to setting standards for the so-called > "V" Chip (yet another government mandated censorship program) to > figuring out how much providers of interactive services will be allowed > to charge schools, health care providers and libraries (hint: they get > a discount, but the percentage is left up to the FCC.) > > Of course, the Congress doesn't mention that later this year it will > hold hearings aimed at cutting the FCC off at the knees, both in > funding and oversight capability. How the hell can this bill be > carried out as written if the agency charged with its implementation is > effectively castrated? Answer: It can't. Anyone want to give odds > that this was just coincidence? > > Jobs, Jobs, Jobs > ============== > > Another myth about this "obscene act" is that it will create hundreds > of thousands of new jobs. Listen close, you'll hear Clinton and Gore > each say this at Thursday's signing, I'll bet a sack of rats on it. > > If we just talk straight numbers, yes, the bill does create jobs. But > look closer, look at it like Labor Secretary Robert Reih would and ask > yourself what are the *quality* of these jobs. Answer: pathetic. > > Although some of the jobs this bill creates will be high paying, > technical jobs, most will be low paying, non-union jobs. Digging > ditches to lay new cables, new fiber. Construction jobs for > installing wireless towers. Sales jobs up the ass, all on commission > no doubt. Customer representative jobs, again, low paying, tedious > non-union jobs. > > Why? Because the phone companies, for one, will create separate > subsidiaries which they don't have to staff with union employees. And > most manual labor jobs aren't union anyway. A lot of jobs will come > from the wireless industry. Again, non-union and low paying, for the > most part, building infrastructure, sales force, etc. > > Howard Stern's Private Parts > ========================== > > Although Howard Stern's privacy (is this an oxymoron?) isn't in > question here, your privacy is. > > The bill basically allows the telephone companies to use the data they > have on you in any way they see fit, with one caveat: They must > provide the same access to that information to competitors, if asked. > As long as they don't hog all your private data, such as how many times > you call Domino's Pizza or whether you're an avid QVC network shopper, > they can sell your data to just about anyone and use it internal in > ways that should make your skin crawl. > > This is all laid out in admittedly banal Congress speak: "A local > exchange carrier (that's your local phone company) may use, disclose, > or permit access to aggregate customer information... only if it > provides such aggregate information to other carriers or persons on > reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms and conditions up reasonable > request therefore." > > In other words, bend over and kiss your sweet aggregate good-bye. > > Now, I have to go... there's a cat running around Washington with > incriminating evidence tied to its neck, no doubt rummaging through a > White House garbage can, and I have to track him down. > > Meeks out... > > > > > > > > From cwt at exis.net Sat Feb 10 15:15:12 1996 From: cwt at exis.net (C. W. Tazewell) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: The Telecommunications Act of 1996 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960210151320.15827A-100000@Sailfish.Exis.Net> Greetings, The full text of The Telecommunications Act of 1996 with extensive background information is available at The Hampton Roads Central Library. A special Web Page is linked at the Front Entrance and on the Tidewater Virginia Public Libraries Home Page. Other information of interest and use to librarians ia added to the TVA PLHP from time to time. Keep an eye on it! <http://wwwp.exis.net/~cwt/tva-plhp.html> CUL, BIll. The Hampton Roads Central Library (You don't drive to it; you point to it.) Your *REASON* to have the Internet Virtual Library of Hampton Roads E A S Y L I N K S Front Entrance Your WWW Hotlist http://wwwp.exis.net/~cwt/ http://www.infi.net/~cwt/easylink.html From andi at u.washington.edu Sun Feb 11 00:21:26 1996 From: andi at u.washington.edu (Andrea Bartelstein) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: Black pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9602091749.B21657-0100000@nsls1.nslsilus.org> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91l.960210204618.26884B-100000@saul7.u.washington.edu> Ronnie Morgan said: > First, I do believe that the parents should take some, if not most, of > the responsibility of what his/her child views on the Internet, TV, > etc. But, the information providers have to take some as well. I can > leave my child in front of the TV, and feel pretty good that he won't > see some naked woman (although late at night, that may not be true). I'm always mystified by this attitude -- the average kid will have seen countless rapes, murders, and other violent atrocities on TV (not to mention movies, video games, etc.) by the time he or she reaches high school, but somehow the sight of a naked woman is too much to handle. But this is exactly the point of why the "decency" amendment is so asinine (not to mention unconstitutional): you have every right to decide what you want your child to see or not see. My definition of "indecent" most likely doesn't match yours, and that's exactly why I don't get to decide what you and your family (or anyone else's) can watch on TV, read, see on the internet, etc. By the same token, the government shouldn't be in the business of defining "indecent" either. You are responsible for monitoring your children's activities and talking with them about your own values and beliefs; the government isn't. Andrea Bartelstein University of Washington, Seattle UWired Librarian andi@u.washington.edu (206) 616-1969 From tony at info.anu.edu.au Sun Feb 11 01:24:43 1996 From: tony at info.anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:15 2005 Subject: If you are under 18 who is in beach of the law Message-ID: <v0211010aad4330a2d3d1@[150.203.148.155]> At 11:53 96/02/10, Keith Engwall wrote (quoting the legislation): > > `(1) in interstate or foreign communications knowingly-- > > `(A) uses an interactive computer service to send to a > specific person or persons under 18 years of age, or ... > > any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other > communication that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms > patently offensive as measured by contemporary community > standards, sexual or excretory activities or organs, > regardless of whether the user of such service placed the call or Lets see now if I've got this right. If I write - "The law is an ass" I'm OK but if I write "This law is a bummer" and you, the reader are under 18, I have broken the US law and so has your system admistrator, ISP provider/University network administrator, my university and probably a few other people in between? On the other hand I cannot be sure whether "bummer" is currently in breach of "contemporary community standards" where you are located. It used to be offensive here but not know. The trouble is, you in the US, can't put up a server which lists the unsuitable words without being in breach of the law. How are we to observe your law? If you are under 18 and your "contemporary community standards" are offended can you email me in case I want to visit the US again? OK, my sense of humour has got away with me a bit. Its a serious problem adressed by an unworkable law. Tony __________________________________________________________________________ Tony Barry URL:http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Centre for Networked Information and Publishing & also Centre for Networked Access to Scholarly Information fone +61 6 249 4632 Australian National University Library phax +61 6 279 8120 Canberra A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au From mgooch at sledge.law.csuohio.edu Mon Feb 12 09:04:39 1996 From: mgooch at sledge.law.csuohio.edu (Mark Gooch) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: CSU Law School URL Change Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960208145233.3630I-100000@techserv4.law.csuohio.edu> The Cleveland-Marshall College of Law and the Law Library have completed a reconfiguration of our Home Pages and subsequently we have some changed URLs: Law School Home Page http://www.law.csuohio.edu/ Law Library http://www.law.csuohio.edu/lawlibrary/ We apologize for any inconvenience. Thanks Mark Mark D. Gooch Government Information Specialist mgooch@sledge.law.csuohio.edu Joseph W. Bartunek III Law Library (216)687-5579 Voice Cleveland-Marshall College of Law (216)687-5098 Fax Cleveland State University From gshultz at mail.smu.edu Mon Feb 12 09:22:46 1996 From: gshultz at mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill Message-ID: <v01530502ad44fd877b04@[129.119.37.12]> Is the full text of this bil available on line? If so, where? Thanks, =Gary ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ) Gary Shultz - Office of News and Information ( ( Telephone: 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 ) ) Southern Methodist University - Dallas,Texas ( (~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~) ) "There is more to do than can ever be done." ( ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ From kgs at interactive.net Mon Feb 12 10:05:18 1996 From: kgs at interactive.net (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: sample rfp for wiring multi-floor building? Message-ID: <v0153050bad45018077ce@[204.97.113.49]> Is there a good sample rfp out there somewhere for creating a LAN in a multi-story building? This is not for a library, but for a church, but several librarians sit on the committee. And actually, a related goal is information services throughout a diocese, including to laypeople, so I think this is pretty relevant. It's a new (to them) building with no previous wiring. I want something to bump against what we now have. We were mulling over fiber vs. copper, as well. Several of us thought that it would be wise to write the rfp to specify either/or, in case fiber turns out to be affordable. Another concern I brought up, and I would be happy to be affirmed or corrected on this, is that if you install copper wiring throughout a building this year and then develop many more needs for networking--as folks often do-- you may end up yanking it out and replacing it with fiber in four or five years, thereby potentially making copper a false economy. Some of the features we discussed sounded remarkably familiar to library plans I'd sat in on (well, I guess that's not so surprising--library buildings are buildings, after all). I feel very rusty on this, though, and felt that the librarians' perspectives on increased network needs was very analagous to this situation. Any other guidance/reading/direction gratefully received. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Abortion is legal and can be obtained throughout the U.S. via surgical procedures, and where accessible, by use of the drug RU482. See your doctor or local Planned Parenthood clinic. From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Mon Feb 12 10:04:54 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: Telecom Bill & Judicial Review Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960212085234.54678E-100000@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Hello all, While the political expediency of the Telecom Bill opens up the possibility for renewed infringements on the freedom of speech, the judicial branch of the federal government will (fingers cross) have the final say. If the bill does lead to infringements, infringements condoned by the Supreme Court, then a lot more than web pages will be black. This bill is not the end, but the beginning. Fortunately, even with the politicized Supreme Court, free speech has a better track record than much legislation. On guard and living in a federal system, David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US Mon Feb 12 10:36:21 1996 From: BOCHERF at MAIL.STATE.WI.US (BOCHERF@MAIL.STATE.WI.US) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: Telco Bill Act and related info Message-ID: <0003800002821200000004*@MHS> >Is the full text of this bil available on line? If so, where? > >Thanks, Gary > >~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ > ) Gary Shultz - Office of News and Information ( > ( Telephone: 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 ) > ) Southern Methodist University - Dallas,Texas ( FYI: I have linked several evaluations and summaries of the new Telecommunications Act of 1996 and the actual text, both ASCII and HTML, of the legislation at: http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/lib_nii.htm -- Bob ____________________________________________________________ Bob Bocher, WI Dept. of Public Instruction, Division for Libraries... Box 7841 Madison, WI 53707 voice: 608-266-2127 fax: 608-267-1052 bocherf@mail.state.wi.us If the above email bounces, try: rbocher@mail.badgerdial.net http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/bob.html From bnicol at lib.auburn.edu Mon Feb 12 09:35:57 1996 From: bnicol at lib.auburn.edu (BETH NICOL) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill Message-ID: <272772C498A@rbdadmin.lib.auburn.edu> You might try any of the GPO Gateways to acquire the full text of Congressional Bills. http://www.lib.auburn.edu/gpo is a GPO Gateway. Select the Congressional Bills database (104th Congress) & search for telecommunications. You can get either ascii text or PDF format. Beth Nicol -Automation Manager Auburn University Libraries Phone: (334)844-1731 INTERNET: bnicol@lib.auburn.edu *------------------------------------------------------------------* Thought for the day: Communist (n): one who has given up all hope of becoming a Capitalist. From hshuster at WPI.EDU Mon Feb 12 10:59:53 1996 From: hshuster at WPI.EDU (Helen M Shuster) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: Coordinator of Networked Resources - Job posting Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960212105544.14349F-100000@pacman.WPI.EDU> This job announcement has been posted to other lists, please excuse the duplication. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- COORDINATOR OF NETWORKED RESOURCES GORDON LIBRARY WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Gordon Library, Worcester Polytechnic Institute invites applications for the position of Coordinator of Networked Resources. POSITION DESCRIPTION: Coordinate development of Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) webserver as a campus-wide information system and as a gateway to WPI information and resources for outside visitors to the WPI web site. Work with the various WPI departments in the design and implementation of their web pages and continually monitor the accuracy and timeliness of the information. Assist the Reference department with web and HTML training sessions as well as identifying new information resources. Supervise student assistants. QUALIFICATIONS: MLS or MIS degree. Advanced Internet knowledge and experience and familiarity with a variety of computer systems. Proven skills in HTML and information design techniques. Excellent communication and interpersonal skills. Salary commensurate with experience. Send letter of application and resume with the adress and phone numbers of three professional references to Human Resources, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, 100 Institute Road, Stratton Hall, Worcester, MA 01609-2280. To enrich education through diversity, Worcester Polytechnic Institute is an affirmative action, equal opportunity employer and offers a smoke free environment. For further information contact Helen Shuster, Library Director - hshuster@wpi.edu From cfpl00 at iren.net Mon Feb 12 11:01:38 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:16 2005 Subject: the telecomm bill In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960210054908.24583A-100000@frontier.wilpaterson.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOLA.3.91.960212093432.17637A-100000@maple.iren.net> All of the discussion of this bill reminds me that we all see the same things through the prism of our different lives. This also says to me that Mr. Wagner's observations below are especially important. How are we adults ever to get together and discuss anything at all if we are constantly required to worry that the kids in the room next door might possibly hear us or even that they might be _trying_ to hear us? Why do we try to keep so much from them? I expect that yes, the true issue is with gagging adults _not_ protecting kids although if you make it a scarey thing for anybody to talk about important issues in the culture, the kids will grow up unaccustomed to open debate... --Barb (Speaking only for myself) ************************************************************ Barbara Dunn "...A GEEK librarian or a Technical Services Librarian tortured POET librarian? Cedar Falls Public Library You a one wacko freaky 524 Parkade crazzzy passionate Cedar Falls, IA 50613 disfunctional somewhat (319)273-8643 skittso librarian..." CFPL00@IREN.NET --Annie Niemus ************************************************************ On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Kurt W. Wagner-Reference/Electronic Resources wrote: > I cannot top the erudite essays of Karen and Betsey, but just wish to add > that this legislation's effects will be felt not only within the > circumscribed areas that they mentioned. What do I, a white, anglo-saxon, > heterosexual, protestant, republican have to gripe about? Well, you can > start with the what the Founding Fathers had to say. > > I don't have vague, alarmist fears about the impact this will have on the > Internet. I just fear that the time will come when I log on and cannot > find the open discussions (with unfettered descriptive language) on the > universe of topics the Usenet is famous for. When the regulation is > complete, the vanillification is achieved, the 'net is > cruelty/violence/freedom free, it will have lost the very thing it is > founded upon. > > You'll say "the law restricts the child pornographers, not freedom of > speech" but when the common denominator gets to set the rules for all the > rest, then this medium is crippled. > > Kurt > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > Kurt W. Wagner kurt@frontier.wilpaterson.edu > Reference Librarian/Electronic Resources (201)595-2285 > William Paterson College of New Jersey > www.wilpaterson.edu/wpcpages/library/sarah.htm > www.wilpaterson.edu/home/staff/kwagner/kurt.htm > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > > From cm150 at umail.umd.edu Mon Feb 12 10:55:32 1996 From: cm150 at umail.umd.edu (Chuck Munson) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Black pages References: <9602101632.AA07377@dlapr.state.az.us> Message-ID: <311F62F4.2C6C@umail.umd.edu> Joe Schallan wrote: > Carlos, > > Thanks for hitting on what I think is the hard part of all this > uproar. Personally and professionally, I am opposed to > censorship. It is a slippery slope and you don't want to > start down it. I think web access ought to be wide open, > with the responsibility for use placed with the user. > > But as a city employee I also took a pledge not to > politicize anything I do in my role as a public servant. > The opposition to the Exon provision is high-minded > and worthy of support, but no matter how worthy, it > is still a political matter. > Joe, I believe that that pledge seriously conflicts with your duties as a librarian. Please understand that all I have to say is not directed at you personally. I agree with another poster to web4lib that by "not taking a political position" you are still being political. From what I have seen in the library press (letters from librarians supporting censorship of LesBiGay materials) many librarians haven't discovered this. Librarianship is a political profession: one cannot stand idly by when another is being censored, no matter what their views. > If library patrons ask me for my views on censorship, > I will tell them, and I will note that those views are my > own but are widely shared within the profession. But > my web site is considered an official communication > with citizens by both my director and my city administration. > It must remain apolitical. What a gutless director and city administration! What currently disgusts me about the library profession is the inability of library professionals to take political stands on issues that would have seemed normal 10, 20 years ago. Are we going to let the forces of censorship and defunding beat us back that badly? > > I think it is fine for .com and .org and .edu sites (where > the "orgs" and the "edus" are private ones) to make > any statement they wish. > > Thanks for your comments. > > Joe Some of us .edu sites would like to make statements that are really not that controversial, but are hogtied by buck-passing. > > PS. I think there is a tendency in our profession, which seems > dominated by political liberals, to act as though it knows > what's better for the citizens it serves than they do. > That attitude invites interference in the library's mission, as > the recent controversy involving a group called Family > Friendly Libraries shows. We need to simultaneously uphold > freedom of thought and be respectful of citizens' concerns. > No one said it would always be easy. > I think that most of our "citizens" support freedom of speech, but that some librarians these days buckle in to a small minority of censors in fear of being seen as political. I know that there are many librarians who are fighting censorship, but let us make fighting censorship to be as common to librarianship as checking out books. Chuck0 Munson Systems Librarian Somewhere in Maryland From rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu Mon Feb 12 12:55:20 1996 From: rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Robert Wagers) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960211233516.19863A-100000@Sailfish.Exis.Net> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960212095107.22159A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> I'm not too stressed about the decency patrols arresting people for talking about abortion, but the law does prohibit any" _communication_ that describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards, sexual...activites or organs." So, take care not to mention sex in your abortion discussions! R. Wagers On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, C. W. Tazewell wrote: > FYI - Bill. > The Hampton Roads Central Library > (You don't drive to it; you point to it.) > Your *REASON* to have the Internet > Digital Library of Hampton Roads E A S Y L I N K S > Front Entrance Your WWW Hotlist > http://wwwp.exis.net/~cwt/ http://www.infi.net/~cwt/easylink.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: 12 FEB 1996 00:53:53 GMT > From: dplast@exis.net > Newsgroups: va.general > Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (NOT!) > > > dplast@exis.net writes: > > cmerrit@exis.net (Charles W. Merritt) writes: > > Feb.04, 1996 > > My Fellow Virginians and Netizens > > Our freedom of speech has been taken away from us. Did you realize this. > > This past week our Federal lawmakers passed new federal law that made it a > > crime to take about abortion on the Internet. > > > > My thanks to Charles W Merritt for providing these 2 links with more on the > abortion on the internet subject: > #1. //www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/index.html#cda and > #2.//www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/schroeder_020696_comstock.announce > > After reviewing them, I found the following excerpt from the Congressional > Record to be most interesting, and IMHO, indicative that the new bill does > NOT prohibit discussions of abortion on the Internet, any more than it > prohibits such discussions in the US Mail. > > Don Plaster, VA Beach > > ============================================ > > > February 1, 1996 > CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -- HOUSE > > Mr HYDE. > * * * > Mr. Speaker, I am happy to yield to the gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. > LOWEY] for the purpose of engaging in a colloquy. > > Mrs. LOWEY. Mr Speaker, I would like to congratulate the gentleman from > Virginia [Mr. BLILEY], the chiarman of the committee, and other members > of the conference in bringing this very important conference report to > the floor today. However, I would like to bring to your attention one > section that is very troubling to me. > > Section 507 amends the preexisting section of the Criminal Code (18 > U.S.C. 1462) and applies it to the Internet. Now, it was my understanding > that your intent behind adopting this provision was to place reasonable > restrictions on obscenity and indecency on the Internet. I support this goal. > > However, a section of this act may be constured to curb discussions about > abortion. It seems to me this provision would certainly be unconsitutional. > > Mr. HYDE. Well, reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, I certainly agree with > the gentlewoman that any discussion about abortion, both pro-life and > pro-choice rights, is protected by the First Amendment guarantee of free > speech; and I certainly agree, nothing in title V should be interpreted > to inhibit free speech about the topic of abortion. > > Further, it is correct that our principal intent in adopting this > provision was to curb the spread of obscenity and indecency, speech that > is not protected by the first amendment, from the Internet in order to > protect our children. > > [...] > > Concerns have been raised about the amendment to 18 U.S.C. Section 1462 > regarding an interactive computer service. Section 1462 generally > prohbiots the importation or transportation of obscene matter. Subsection > 1462(c) prohibits the importation or interstate carriage of "any drug, > medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, or intended for producing > abortion, or for any indecent or immoral use; or any written or printed > card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet, advertisement, or notice of any > kind giving away information, directly or indirectlym wherem howm or of > whom, or by what means any of such mentioned articles, matters or things > may be obtained or made***." > > We are talking about the advertisement, sale or procurement of drugs or > medical instruments or devices used to bring about an abortion, This > language in no way is intended to inhibit free speech about the topic of > abortion, nor in any way to limit medical or scientific discourse on the > Internet. This amendment to subsection 1462(c) does not prohibit serious > discussions about the moral questions surrounding abortion, the act of > abortion itself, or the constitutionality of abortion. This statutory > language prohibits the use of an interactive computer service for the > explicit purpose of selling, procuring or facilitating the sale of drugs, > medicines or other devices intended for use in producing abortions. The > statutory language is confined to those commercial activities already > covered in section 1462(c) of title 18 and in now way interferes with the > freedom of individuals to discuss the general topic of abortion on the > Internet. > > [end Congressional Record snippets] > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Don Plaster dplast@exis.net http://wwwp.exis.net/~dplast/ > Virginia Beach, VA Home Schooler and Data Normalizer > Life's @ Beach! Extrordinaire > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > From kperone at roc.rodman.lib.oh.us Mon Feb 12 14:27:12 1996 From: kperone at roc.rodman.lib.oh.us (Karen Perone) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Help! Summary of WinNT vs Linux/UNIX Message-ID: <9602121927.AA08906@roc.rodman.lib.oh.us> Many thanks for all of you who replied to my request for assistance on why a site with a systems dept. of one and no UNIX guru should pursue Windows NT for a server. I've got a lot of ammunition for my proposal. Here is a summary of the responses that I received: Windows NT pros: --Easy to manage -- similar to Windows 3.1 and 95. --Less of a learning curve because of existing familiarity with Windows. --More time can be spent on maintaining the data because there will be less system maintenance. --Server and application software are easy to use. --Scripting can be done easily because of drag and drop functionality. --Many products and being developed for the NT platform for Internet use. --Has received favorable reviews in the trade press. --Less likely to have hackers attack because of easier administration. --Less time needs to be spent on administration of the server so more time can be devoted to site development (page creation). --Very stable, powerful and works well with Pentium processor. --LAN management is being developed for NT platform. --Performs well allowing many simultaneous hits per second. --Runs on inexpensive, ubiquitous hardware. --Time spent on setup is minimal. --One can expect to have a server up with sample documents in less than one hour. --Help is readily available and easier to understand than UNIX man pages. --Page creation can be done infamiliar Windows word processor. Other helpful information that was passed along includes the following: --Put money into RAM to speed the retrieval of frequently requested files (This was suggested instead of the faster Pentium Pro processor) --Look for a machine with a large memory cache. --32 MB of RAM is adequate for an NT server. --NT server software may be more robust for heavy usage over the workstation software. --The MS Internet Information Server is free for NT; it will be included in a $999 NT Server Network Value Pack. --Don't forget a UPS for graceful shutdown of the server in case of a power failure. --Check out the WebServer comparison chart by Paul E. Hoffman at: http://www.proper.com/www/servers-chart.html --The speed of the network connection is more important than the speed of the CPU. --A dedicated machine is necessary for a server to maximize its availability and reliability. As far as server software that is in use by those responding, the following were mentioned: WebSite (O'Reilly) Purveyor MS Information Server EMWAC HTTP Server PowerEdge 5133 (Dell) I was surprised that no one mentioned Netscape as their server software. It got great reviews and best of all, it's FREE to libraries! I'd like to conclude with a great quote from O.Ryan Tabibian's review of Netscape Communications Server and Netscape Commerce Server in the Oct. 10, 1995 issue of PC Magazine: "Netscape's Windows NT servers are an excellent choice for those who want to run a robust and scalable web server but don't have Unix expertise in-house." Wish me luck! Karen Perone kperone@roc.rodman.lib.oh.us Systems Coordinator Rodman Public Library voice: 216-821-2665 215 E. Broadway Street Alliance, OH 44601 fax: 216-821-5053 From thom at indiana.edu Mon Feb 12 14:45:16 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Telecom Bill & Judicial Review In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.960212085234.54678E-100000@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960212144407.12231G-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> I liked it but would probably do something with frames with the date part on the left or top and the information for that date in the larger frame on the right or bottom. --Thom On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, David P Atkins wrote: > Hello all, > > While the political expediency of the Telecom Bill opens up the > possibility for renewed infringements on the freedom of speech, the > judicial branch of the federal government will (fingers cross) have the > final say. If the bill does lead to infringements, infringements > condoned by the Supreme Court, then a lot more than web pages will be black. > This bill is not the end, but the beginning. Fortunately, even with the > politicized Supreme Court, free speech has a better track record than > much legislation. > > On guard and living in a federal system, > David > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > David P. Atkins > Electronic Reference Services Librarian > Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu > Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 > Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From rmorgan at harding.edu Mon Feb 12 13:54:54 1996 From: rmorgan at harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion Message-ID: <9602121854.AA2774@> ** Reply to note from Robert Wagers <rwagers@wahoo.sjsu.edu> 02/12/96 10:18am -0800 > I'm not too stressed about the decency patrols arresting people for > talking about abortion, but the law does prohibit any" _communication_ > that describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary > community standards, sexual...activites or organs." > I don't believe this is true at all. There are several forms of communication that could be used to talk about whatever it is you want. The critera is wether or not the person recieving the communication has asked for such information/discussion of the issue at hand. This bill doesn't say anything about that. It does say something to the people sending out unsolicated mail, however. All topics such as rape, abortion, aids, etc. can still be discussed and talked about, it may have to private discussions, but the bill certainly doesn't make it illegal. It is unlikely that a rape support group would be standing in the parking lot of Walmart, or some other public place. Chances are, they will be behind closed doors. And those doors may be open for anyone to come in, but, the main discussion is still behind closed doors. I think this is what the bill is after. Everyone keeps saying that one person think "this" (can be anything) is indecent, but someone else doesn't. If the people talking about something that someone else feels is indecent, then they probably should take it behind "closed doors". A private IRC chat room is a good example of this... A private usenet news server is yet another. Whatever the subject is, people will need to come up with creative ways to restrict access to such materials. The technology IS there for responsible information providers to restrict access to what ever it is they are providing. It does NOT have to be solely client-end software. Ronnie Morgan Team OS/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu Systems Manager Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Mon Feb 12 15:16:41 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Charles F. Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Black pages & free speech Message-ID: <Chameleon.960212152428.cbearden@gleason.hpl.lib.tx.us> On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:23:04 -0800 Robert Wagers wrote: > Does it imply that the library staff agrees with a certain >opinion (accepts the telecommunications act's stipulations on Internet >access) if you leave it alone? You can't have it both ways. By the way, >doesn't the library/college's web page reflect the opinions of the entire >campus community? If you leave it alone or turn it black, are you sure >you're reflecting all their points of view. Sorry there is no neutral >position in this, as much as you wish one! > >R. Wagers Changing the appearance of an institution's webpage to express a view that is not the official position of that institution strikes me as being about as appropriate as the use of institutional letterhead in a mass mailing to represent a personal view as the official institutional position when it is not. If the library or college decides in the legitimate manner to change its webpage in protest, that's great. If it doesn't, then let it be so. Or aren't institutions also entitled to free speech? And doesn't free speech include the right to be wrong (even about the telecom bill)? > Also, "no gesture" IS a political statement! >r wagers Quite true. But if this statement entails that an institution not turning its pages black must mean that the institution affirms the telecom bill, then the statement seems to me radically to oversimplify the ethical complexity of speaking on behalf of a diverse group with contradictory opinions. Under such circumstances, 'no statement' can have a myriad of very political meanings, including 'polarized gridlock,' 'total apathy,' or even 'the majority (who oppose the bill) were not able to impose their opinion on the minority (who support the bill) by speaking on behalf of the whole institution.' Please note that I am not speaking in support of the Exon ammendment to the telecom bill. Please change your mailer to make the background of my message black and the text a lighter color. Note also the disclaimer in the signature. ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Catalog Department voice: 713/247-3499 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-3158 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 *NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL* ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From engwall at uthscsa.edu Mon Feb 12 16:47:30 1996 From: engwall at uthscsa.edu (Keith Engwall) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion Message-ID: <v01530506ad4564ca6a26@[129.111.13.241]> Gee, and I thought my job was to develop new ways to access information, not restrict it. Oh, I see. And do you maintain that these "behind-closed-doors" rape crisis centers turn away anyone under 18? The bill does not distinguish between solicited vs. non-solicited information for people under 18. If they can access it, mum's the word. So, are you suggesting that kids don't need access to this information? It doesn't matter if their parents are there. This bill doesn't cover such contingencies. Under 18, everything's Disneyland. Boy, I wish I lived in your world. >I don't believe this is true at all. There are several forms of >communication >that could be used to talk about whatever it is you want. The critera is >wether >or not the person recieving the communication has asked for such >information/discussion of the issue at hand. This bill doesn't say anything >about that. It does say something to the people sending out unsolicated >mail, >however. > >All topics such as rape, abortion, aids, etc. can still be discussed and >talked >about, it may have to private discussions, but the bill certainly doesn't >make >it illegal. > >It is unlikely that a rape support group would be standing in the parking >lot of >Walmart, or some other public place. Chances are, they will be behind closed >doors. And those doors may be open for anyone to come in, but, the main >discussion is still behind closed doors. > >I think this is what the bill is after. > >Everyone keeps saying that one person think "this" (can be anything) is >indecent, but someone else doesn't. If the people talking about something >that >someone else feels is indecent, then they probably should take it behind >"closed >doors". A private IRC chat room is a good example of this... A private >usenet >news server is yet another. > >Whatever the subject is, people will need to come up with creative ways to >restrict access to such materials. The technology IS there for responsible >information providers to restrict access to what ever it is they are >providing. >It does NOT have to be solely client-end software. > > > >Ronnie Morgan >Team OS/2 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu >Systems Manager >Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Engwall "Father can you save me, I been feelin' pretty sick. Systems Librarian Gotta ball and chain around my legs and an albatross Briscoe Library around my neck. Even though I wrote the script, I UTHSCSA disavow every part. I need the sweet fire of your engwall@uthscsa.edu love blowing through this hole in my heart." - VOL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rmorgan at harding.edu Mon Feb 12 16:46:04 1996 From: rmorgan at harding.edu (Ronnie Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion Message-ID: <9602122146.AA2936@> ** Reply to note from <engwall@uthscsa.edu> 02/12/96 1:59pm -0800 > Gee, and I thought my job was to develop new ways to access information, > not restrict it. Yes, if you are going to be a responsible information provider, you do need to restrict access to it. But only if it is obscene/indecent material, such as pornography. Doesn't anyone use common sense about stuff like this anymore? If we did, the bill NEVER would have needed to be made. All of you are fussing about something you should have done yourselves.... > Oh, I see. And do you maintain that these "behind-closed-doors" rape > crisis centers turn away anyone under 18? The bill does not distinguish > between solicited vs. non-solicited information for people under 18. If > they can access it, mum's the word. So, are you suggesting that kids don't > need access to this information? It doesn't matter if their parents are > there. This bill doesn't cover such contingencies. Under 18, everything's > Disneyland. Boy, I wish I lived in your world. Never been to Disneyland. Disney World, I have been to. It's a pretty fun place. I'm not saying that kids "don't" need access to the internet. There are a lot of good/fun things on the net just for kids. But, again I'll say this. If people would have taken the responsiblily a long time ago, to make sure some kid isn't getting to their stuff, the bill never would have been thought of, and would never have been needed. I guess in a way I'm saying that this whole mess that everyone is making is your fault. Let me say this one last thing, and then this will be it for me. I've wasted enough of my work time debating this. No judge in this world is going to do anything about a rape discussion group that happens to be including minors who have been raped. That isn't the "spirit" of the bill, and thus would be considered as being "oaky" to do. (BTW, I'm sure a rape prevention discussion would be appropriate for everyone) But the discussion would, I would assume, have to keep other minors out. And, I'm sure that any pornographic provider would be in a lot of trouble if they continued to allow access to minors. But, everything that you people keep saying would be illegal simply would not be. Things like the bible, discussions on rape, aids, and whatever else all of you have mentioned, would still be legal. Although I still haven't figured out why the bible would be illegal, unless you mean that religous discussions would be illegal as well. I don't recall religion being in the bill, but, someone may interpret it as being obscene and indecent. Put a little common sense in everything you do, and you will be fine. And you can quote me on that, if you wish. Have a good day! Ronnie Morgan Team OS/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Harding University Library Internet : rmorgan@harding.edu Systems Manager Box 2267, Searcy, AR 72149 Phone : (501) 279-4077 (voice) From cathyn at sfpl.lib.ca.us Mon Feb 12 17:58:10 1996 From: cathyn at sfpl.lib.ca.us (CATHY NYHAN) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: ?Web Manager Job description Message-ID: <96021214581070@sfpl.lib.ca.us> Hello, Recently, someone from PubLib suggested that I post my inquiry for a Web Manager job description to this list. I'm interested in any sources, sites which describe the duties of a Web Manager in a public library or any kind of library, setting. Thanks very much in advance for any help you can send my way. Cathy Nyhan San Francisco Public Library CathyN@sfpl.lib.ca.us From ace at Opus1.COM Tue Feb 13 01:36:18 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:17 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages Message-ID: <01I156TUDJK2DBGQIE@Opus1.COM> If our role is to be librarians, and eagerly (a given, right?) try to find information for the pursuing and perusing public, then we have no choice. If by some abberation of the forces of the universe, in the United States we have found ourselves in a posture of civil disobedience, then at least our consciences are clear. (was that the correct conscience? I sure hope so:-)) We can follow through on this civil disobedience or we can work around the problem and we will all do what we think is the correct thing to do, being professional information scientists, let's not lose sight of this truth while others try to take this away from us. Whatever each of us decides to do we still stand together in a fight against censorship and restriction of books and learning and information for all the people of the US who come from a tradition of our original colonial forebears commitments to access to information.(see Benjamin Franklin - smile) [I wore my "I Read Banned Books button" all day and the grocery checker said "You read banned books?" Well, that got the attention of everyone!" )We got into a discussion right there in the line at the store. It was great. Everyone around were bringing up books on the banned list (they were all correct, amazing what the "normal real people" we are all part of know isn't it:?] It turned into quite a fun "I read Banned Books" episode at the grocery store... Be ready and use it I say!:-))) I did say, "look at my website, you could read banned books there", The checker said really, "give me your url!!!! So, talk about it and make it happen!!" Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com http://www.opus1.com/~ace serendipity RULES! At 09:45 AM 2/12/96 -0800, Chuck Munson wrote: >Joe Schallan wrote: > >> Carlos, >> >> Thanks for hitting on what I think is the hard part of all this >> uproar. Personally and professionally, I am opposed to >> censorship. It is a slippery slope and you don't want to >> start down it. I think web access ought to be wide open, >> with the responsibility for use placed with the user. >> >> But as a city employee I also took a pledge not to >> politicize anything I do in my role as a public servant. >> The opposition to the Exon provision is high-minded >> and worthy of support, but no matter how worthy, it >> is still a political matter. >> > >Joe, I believe that that pledge seriously conflicts with your duties >as a librarian. Please understand that all I have to say is not >directed at you personally. I agree with another poster to web4lib >that by "not taking a political position" you are still being >political. From what I have seen in the library press (letters from >librarians supporting censorship of LesBiGay materials) many >librarians haven't discovered this. Librarianship is a political >profession: one cannot stand idly by when another is being censored, >no matter what their views. > >> If library patrons ask me for my views on censorship, >> I will tell them, and I will note that those views are my >> own but are widely shared within the profession. But >> my web site is considered an official communication >> with citizens by both my director and my city administration. >> It must remain apolitical. > >What a gutless director and city administration! What currently >disgusts me about the library profession is the inability of library >professionals to take political stands on issues that would have >seemed normal 10, 20 years ago. Are we going to let the forces of >censorship and defunding beat us back that badly? > >> >> I think it is fine for .com and .org and .edu sites (where >> the "orgs" and the "edus" are private ones) to make >> any statement they wish. >> >> Thanks for your comments. >> >> Joe > >Some of us .edu sites would like to make statements that are really >not that controversial, but are hogtied by buck-passing. > >> >> PS. I think there is a tendency in our profession, which seems >> dominated by political liberals, to act as though it knows >> what's better for the citizens it serves than they do. >> That attitude invites interference in the library's mission, as >> the recent controversy involving a group called Family >> Friendly Libraries shows. We need to simultaneously uphold >> freedom of thought and be respectful of citizens' concerns. >> No one said it would always be easy. >> > >I think that most of our "citizens" support freedom of speech, but >that some librarians these days buckle in to a small minority of >censors in fear of being seen as political. I know that there are >many librarians who are fighting censorship, but let us make >fighting censorship to be as common to librarianship as checking out >books. > >Chuck0 Munson >Systems Librarian >Somewhere in Maryland > From wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 13 09:03:07 1996 From: wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca (William Oldfield) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <v01510101ad46036c8f19@[129.97.58.43]> Helen... At UW we simply restrict access to the form and the cgi script to computers in the UW domain. Using the .htaccess file for this purpose means that only users within your institution can submit ILL requests. It sure beats setting up individual user authentication. At 4:55 PM 2/9/96, Helen Laurence wrote: >We have just linked our ILL request forms to our library home page. >The only real issue for us was how to limit the service >to patrons affiliated with the University. Linking to the >circulation database of valid library card numbers was thought to be >too problematic. We finally decided to "require" that a valid ID >number be submitted on the form and check it manually the same way >ILL requests on paper are done. This seems a rather "low-tech" >solution considering the context. How are others dealing with this? > >TIA. > >Helen > >Dr. Helen Laurence Library Systems Dept. (407)367-3789 >Florida Atlantic University, P.O. Box 3092, Boca Raton, FL 33431 >Internet: laurence@acc.fau.edu Bitnet: laurence@fauvax > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ William Oldfield (Networked Information Research Associate) University of Waterloo Library Phone: (519) 888-4567 Ext. 2461 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 Email: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca UWELib: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/ Homepage: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~wroldfie/home.html From tucker at IAS.EDU Tue Feb 13 11:56:44 1996 From: tucker at IAS.EDU (Marcia Tucker) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages References: <01I156TUDJK2DBGQIE@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: <3120C2CC.5EC1@math.ias.edu> Bravo to Elisabeth Roche and others like her! If anyone believes that this Telecommunications Bill will not discriminate, silence, or be used to prosecute individuals unfairly than they are naive! I personally believe that this Bill has nothing to do with the adult images, adult discussions, etc... which currently reside on the Internet, it has to do with people who have a moral agenda. In this country I thought that we had a separation of church and state, obviously we are moving toward less of a separation! Scary thing is that people around me keep on saying, "oh... they won't inforce it", and "they really are not moving toward censorship, just protecting our children!" (I am a librarian and a parent) This legislation has nothing to do with protecting children or anyone else of a sensitive nature, if this were the case than other issues in our society would be addressed which do threaten the mental and moral health of our children! I can not tolerate the bizarre idea that children have a "right" to be on the Internet/World Wide Web without some direction via an adult or teacher! It would be similiar to having left a child alone in Times Square (NYC) without any direction or help! The Internet can never be a baby sitting service or a playground which allows children to freely roam regardless of this bill! There is already available censoring software which could aid parents/teachers if they are worried, so why the Bill? I guess in this election year if you can't kiss the babies you can at least try to satisfy their parents by S.652 lip service! Elisabeth Roche wrote: > > If our role is to be librarians, and eagerly (a given, right?) try to find > information for the pursuing and perusing public, then we have no choice. > > If by some abberation of the forces of the universe, in the United States we > have found ourselves in a posture of civil disobedience, then at least our > consciences are clear. (was that the correct conscience? I sure hope so:-)) > > We can follow through on this civil disobedience or we can work around the > problem and we will all do what we think is the correct thing to do, being > professional information scientists, let's not lose sight of this truth > while others try to take this away from us. > > Whatever each of us decides to do we still stand together in a fight against > censorship and restriction of books and learning and information for all the > people of the US who come from a tradition of our original colonial > forebears commitments to access to information.(see Benjamin Franklin - smile) > > [I wore my "I Read Banned Books button" all day and the grocery checker said > "You read banned books?" Well, that got the attention of everyone!" )We got > into a discussion right there in the line at the store. It was great. > > Everyone around were bringing up books on the banned list (they were all > correct, amazing what the "normal real people" we are all part of know isn't > it:?] > > It turned into quite a fun "I read Banned Books" episode at the grocery > store... > > Be ready and use it I say!:-))) I did say, "look at my website, you could > read banned books there", > > The checker said really, "give me your url!!!! > > So, talk about it and make it happen!!" > > Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com > http://www.opus1.com/~ace > serendipity RULES! From calarcop at medpo1.med.yale.edu Tue Feb 13 10:23:00 1996 From: calarcop at medpo1.med.yale.edu (Calarco, Pascal) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <3120ADD7@bcumssmtp.med.yale.edu> >We have just linked our ILL request forms to our library home page. >The only real issue for us was how to limit the service >to patrons affiliated with the University. Linking to the >circulation database of valid library card numbers was thought to be >too problematic. We finally decided to "require" that a valid ID >number be submitted on the form and check it manually the same way Meaning that you use the PERL script to check for something that 'looks like' a valid ID? That's what we do as well. Eventually (ie. this year), we'd like to link to the patron file to validate them, possibly using Expect scripts in conjunction with the PERL CGIs. Once this is accomplished, the possibilities really open up for automating some of the more generic aspects of validation. I'd like to eventually see more or less automated request validation, perhaps even such that the Document Delivery staff don't even see easily validated requests. This, I feel, is some time away. >ILL requests on paper are done. This seems a rather "low-tech" >solution considering the context. How are others dealing with this? >TIA. >Helen >Dr. Helen Laurence Library Systems Dept. (407)367-3789 >Florida Atlantic University, P.O. Box 3092, Boca Raton, FL 33431 >Internet: laurence@acc.fau.edu Bitnet: laurence@fauvax pascal ----------- Pascal V. Calarco, MLIS IAIMS Assistant, Librarian Cushing/Whitney Medical Library Yale University pascal.calarco@yale.edu http://www.med.yale.edu/library/ From Feldman at volpe3.dot.gov Tue Feb 13 11:28:00 1996 From: Feldman at volpe3.dot.gov (Feldman, Richard (CAM)) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Web4lib as a forum Re: Decency Act Message-ID: <31202FEC@volpegate.dot.gov> I appreciate that the subject of the Decency provisions of the newly enacted U.S. Telecom bill and its implications is one that brings out strong opinions from many Web4Lib subscribers. I think that freedom of information issues are ones where the library/information professions have traditionally taken a strong advocatory role, but this does not mean that to be a member in good standing of the profession one needs to have opinions that are in lock step with some profession-wide party line. There are an infinite of gradations of viewpoint on the continuum between believing in total centralization of control over information and believing in total freedom. I would appreciate if the participants in this ongoing debate were a little more explicit in showing respect for the sometimes different opinions of their colleagues on such subjects as reconciling one's personal political stances with those of one's institution, or who should be taking responsibility for managing the tradeoff between freedom of access to information and the protection of minors. I think that we as a profession would do well to treat one another as we would like to be treated so that, when we decide that we want to try to work together in the political arena, there is sufficient mutual trust for us to be able to be a meaningful force. Richard Feldman Volpe Center, U.S. D.O.T., Cambridge, MA USA feldman@volpe3.dot.gov PH: 617 494-2272 FX: 617 494-3125 From smitht at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Feb 13 12:34:36 1996 From: smitht at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Tim Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Questions on kiosks and gifs Message-ID: <v01530500ad467975605d@[132.235.51.74]> I have two, unrelated, questions that I could use some help with. (1) A little while back, there was discussion of how to use Netscape in kiosk mode and, as I recall, the answer for Windows machines had to do with using a "-k" switch in the command line that started Netscape. My question: is there any way to run Macintosh Netscape in kiosk mode? (2) I'm having a problem with GIFs that I want to use. I start by creating them, on a Macintosh, in a graphics program, then run them through "GIF Converter" to turn them into GIFs. All is well, so far, until I actually put them on a page. What happens then is that dots of colors other than those intended show up on the screen, sometimes as isolated dots, other times as larger blemishes that look somewhat like colored lint. (As a footnote, I should add that I've tried creating the GIF files with two other programs in addition to GIF Converter--but with the same results.) I would surely appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to what's going on and what I should do about it. Thanks in advance, Tim Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * Tim Smith e-mail: SMITHT@OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU Instructional Librarian phone: (614) 593-2634 Reference Dept. fax: (614) 593-0138 Alden Library Ohio University "Technology has replaced reflection" Athens, OH 45701 -- Utah Phillips * * * * * * * * * * * * From cm150 at umail.umd.edu Tue Feb 13 11:35:36 1996 From: cm150 at umail.umd.edu (Chuck Munson) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages References: <3120C2CC.5EC1@math.ias.edu> Message-ID: <3120BDD8.CB6@umail.umd.edu> Marcia Tucker wrote: > > I can not tolerate the bizarre idea that children have a "right" to > be on the Internet/World Wide Web without some direction via an adult > or teacher! It would be similiar to having left a child alone in > Times Square (NYC) without any direction or help! > The Internet can never be a baby sitting service or > a playground which allows children to freely roam > regardless of this bill! There is already available > censoring software which could aid parents/teachers if they are worried, > so why the Bill? First of all, thank you Marcia for your support for those of us fighting these new laws. I feel I must respond to some of the issues brought up in the above paragraph. When we talk about children getting on the Internet, what are we talking about? 8-year-olds or 14-year-olds? I can see an 8-year-old getting guidance from a teacher or parent when they surf the Net, but the current debate bothers me because it purports to protect "children" under the age of 18 from indecent materials on the Net. I'm 30 now, but I try to remember myself as a teenager before the age of 16. I was very angry that adults felt they had a right to restrict what I read or saw. I had always been a very advanced reader and started checking out books from the "adult" sections of public libraries at an early age. I'm saying that "teenagers" from the age of 12 should have the same free speech rights that adults enjoy. They should be able to surf the Net like any adult. Kids at this age are at a developmental stage where they can handle controversial materials they might find. Sure, some of them are immature and may be shocked, but so are some adults. Why should we protect them from accessing the Penthouse Web page when they may be able to access Daddy's magazine collection. I think that some parental guidance could be benefical at these ages, but access shouldn't be dependent on it. I guess you all could chalk me up on the children's rights side. I know this whole debate has been a thorny one. Chuck Munson Spunk Press Etext Archive http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Jack.Jansen/spunk/Spunk_Home.html From lkc at mail.lib.duke.edu Tue Feb 13 13:02:15 1996 From: lkc at mail.lib.duke.edu (Cousineau, Laura) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages Message-ID: <9601138242.AA824245335@mail.lib.duke.edu> I have two children, a boy and a girl, ages 10 and 12. I am very proud indeed when they surf the net. I feel they are learning about gathering information. They have learned to download shareware and print out pages about their favorite pop stars. They know how to use search engines. This is no more a "babysitting device" than is a tennis match or a scout meeting. It is, no more or less, one of their many activities. Just as I teach them about what televisions shows they may view, and what videos they may rent, I teach them about what they may and may not view on the net. My child was not allowed to keep the Doom game we had downloaded, because after we tested it, I deemed it too violent. These are my decisions. I do not want the government involved. We should all be outraged by child pornography and the depiction of violence against women. But I think history shows that when government gets involved with censorship, it hurts us rather than helps us. If the government wants to help families, let them stop violence against children and women. That has always been against the law, although it seems to be quite pervasive still in our society. Laura Cousineau Information Access Librarian Perkins Reference Duke University lkc@mail.lib.duke.edu RE: Marcia Tucker wrote: > > I can not tolerate the bizarre idea that children have a "right" to > be on the Internet/World Wide Web without some direction via an adult > or teacher! It would be similiar to having left a child alone in > Times Square (NYC) without any direction or help! > The Internet can never be a baby sitting service or > a playground which allows children to freely roam > regardless of this bill! There is already available > censoring software which could aid parents/teachers if they are worried, > so why the Bill? First of all, thank you Marcia for your support for those of us fighting these new laws. I feel I must respond to some of the issues brought up in the above paragraph. When we talk about children getting on the Internet, what are we talking about? 8-year-olds or 14-year-olds? I can see an 8-year-old getting guidance from a teacher or parent when they surf the Net, but the current debate bothers me because it purports to protect "children" under the age of 18 from indecent materials on the Net. I'm 30 now, but I try to remember myself as a teenager before the age of 16. I was very angry that adults felt they had a right to restrict what I read or saw. I had always been a very advanced reader and started checking out books from the "adult" sections of public libraries at an early age. I'm saying that "teenagers" from the age of 12 should have the same free speech rights that adults enjoy. They should be able to surf the Net like any adult. Kids at this age are at a developmental stage where they can handle controversial materials they might find. Sure, some of them are immature and may be shocked, but so are some adults. Why should we protect them from accessing the Penthouse Web page when they may be able to access Daddy's magazine collection. I think that some parental guidance could be benefical at these ages, but access shouldn't be dependent on it. I guess you all could chalk me up on the children's rights side. I know this whole debate has been a thorny one. Chuck Munson From jveldof at bird.library.arizona.edu Tue Feb 13 13:19:51 1996 From: jveldof at bird.library.arizona.edu (Jerilyn Veldof) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web In-Reply-To: <v01510101ad46036c8f19@[129.97.58.43]> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960213110857.24671B-100000@bird.library.arizona.edu> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > Helen... > > At UW we simply restrict access to the form and the cgi script to computers > in the UW domain. Using the .htaccess file for this purpose means that > only users within your institution can submit ILL requests. > > It sure beats setting up individual user authentication. If I'm interpreting this right this means that non-affiliated users from the community need only come into the library to order ILL materials - as long as they are using a machine with the UW domain. Is this correct? Do you feel that this is not much of a "problem" and that it's cheaper or more efficient in the long run than is setting up user authentication? Jerilyn Veldof University of Arizona Library > > At 4:55 PM 2/9/96, Helen Laurence wrote: > >We have just linked our ILL request forms to our library home page. > >The only real issue for us was how to limit the service > >to patrons affiliated with the University. Linking to the > >circulation database of valid library card numbers was thought to be > >too problematic. We finally decided to "require" that a valid ID > >number be submitted on the form and check it manually the same way > >ILL requests on paper are done. This seems a rather "low-tech" > >solution considering the context. How are others dealing with this? > > > >TIA. > > > >Helen > > > >Dr. Helen Laurence Library Systems Dept. (407)367-3789 > >Florida Atlantic University, P.O. Box 3092, Boca Raton, FL 33431 > >Internet: laurence@acc.fau.edu Bitnet: laurence@fauvax > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > William Oldfield (Networked Information Research Associate) > University of Waterloo Library Phone: (519) 888-4567 Ext. 2461 > Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 Email: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca > UWELib: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/ > Homepage: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~wroldfie/home.html > > > > From wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 13 14:23:10 1996 From: wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca (William Oldfield) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <v0151010aad464ada5709@[129.97.58.43]> The security offered by the .htaccess file stops the world from using our ILL service. If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and the electronic submission method is no different. I believe our ILL Department checks the email address, does a finger on the student or checks our patron database to verify the borrower information. At 1:19 PM 2/13/96, Jerilyn Veldof wrote: >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > >> Helen... >> >> At UW we simply restrict access to the form and the cgi script to computers >> in the UW domain. Using the .htaccess file for this purpose means that >> only users within your institution can submit ILL requests. >> >> It sure beats setting up individual user authentication. > >If I'm interpreting this right this means that non-affiliated >users from the community need only come into the library to order ILL >materials - as long as they are using a machine with the UW domain. Is >this correct? Do you feel that this is not much of a "problem" and that >it's cheaper or more efficient in the long run than is setting up user >authentication? > >Jerilyn Veldof >University of Arizona Library > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ William Oldfield (Networked Information Research Associate) University of Waterloo Library Phone: (519) 888-4567 Ext. 2461 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 Email: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca UWELib: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/ Homepage: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~wroldfie/home.html From psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu Tue Feb 13 14:32:02 1996 From: psgraham at gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham, RUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.4.824239922.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries I think the discussion of the telecomm bill and its constraint of free speech is appropriate, but not on this list, if I may say so without being dumped on. There are very appropriate lists for this discussion; and the level being held here on Web4Lib is primarily of anecdotal and venting purpose, with very familiar arguments on all sides. It is a very important issue and needs to be dealt with, but on this list I think it is loading us with unhelpful messages. Thanks (and just tell me no, we don't all need flames on the importance of the issue). --pg Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu Tue Feb 13 15:37:28 1996 From: rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Robert Wagers) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough In-Reply-To: <CMM-RU.1.4.824239922.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960213123150.14122A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> If you are so frightened of _flaming_ and _being dumped on_, maybe you shouldn't participate. Tell me, just what is _appropriate_ for this list? Does it have to be propeller head stuff only? Isn't it the censors who run to tell us what's appropriate? R. Wagers On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Peter Graham, RUL wrote: > From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries > > I think the discussion of the telecomm bill and its constraint of free speech > is appropriate, but not on this list, if I may say so without being dumped > on. There are very appropriate lists for this discussion; and the level > being held here on Web4Lib is primarily of anecdotal and venting purpose, > with very familiar arguments on all sides. It is a very important issue and > needs to be dealt with, but on this list I think it is loading us with > unhelpful messages. Thanks (and just tell me no, we don't all need flames on > the importance of the issue). --pg > > Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries > 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 > <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> > From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Tue Feb 13 16:23:11 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough Message-ID: <01BAFA2F.93051260@grey.ohiolink.edu> > If you are so frightened of _flaming_ and _being dumped on_, maybe >you shouldn't participate. Tell me, just what is _appropriate_ for this >list? Does it have to be propeller head stuff only? Isn't it the >censors who run to tell us what's appropriate? Oh, come now. Suggesting that a list try to stay on-topic is a far cry from censorship. What is appropriate for this list is what we, the participants, decide it is, with the understanding that most of us signed on for discussions of WEB development FOR (or "4") LIBraries. That's an admirably flexible boundary, but Peter Graham, as one of the participants, is entitled to point out that it doesn't necessarily extend to general discussions about intellectual freedom, which might be more fruitfully taken elsewhere. As another of the participants, I must say I agree. Having said that, I have no interest in trying to stop anyone from carrying on this thread. And there you have it: members of a virtual community trying to keep a discussion focused rather than an authoritarian regime exerting control over what that discussion can cover. And since you brought it on yourself-- FLAME ON What besotted troglodyte told you to use an underscore to quote material from a prior post? That's the convention for underlining! My mama taught me to use quotation marks, Bubba, and they're even available on the Commodore 64 you must be using, so let's try to get with the program! Nah, FLAME OFF. My heart just isn't in it... :-) Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Tue Feb 13 17:43:34 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough References: <CMM-RU.1.4.824239922.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <31211416.595B@opac.osl.state.or.us> Please, yes, let's do limit mail to the specialized discussion area that Web4Lib was created to serve. And let's **please** not get into a flame war about censoring and limiting discussion, ad nauseum. Remember, folks, you're pretty much preaching to the converted, here. Not much to be gained, is there? It is an important issue, yes. Perhaps you might direct comments to topical lists where they may be of more effect, even to lists where they might be of value as an enlightened minority opinion? Ernest Perez Oregon State Library Peter Graham, RUL wrote: > > From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries > > I think the discussion of the telecomm bill and its constraint of free speech > is appropriate, but not on this list, if I may say so without being dumped > on. There are very appropriate lists for this discussion; and the level > being held here on Web4Lib is primarily of anecdotal and venting purpose, > with very familiar arguments on all sides. It is a very important issue and > needs to be dealt with, but on this list I think it is loading us with > unhelpful messages. Thanks (and just tell me no, we don't all need flames on > the importance of the issue). --pg > > Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries > 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 > <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu Tue Feb 13 16:37:37 1996 From: dlking at ocean.st.usm.edu (David L. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages In-Reply-To: <3120C2CC.5EC1@math.ias.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960213152625.23409A-100000@pacific.st.usm.edu> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Marcia Tucker wrote: > I personally believe that this Bill has nothing to do with the > adult images, adult discussions, etc... which currently > reside on the Internet, it has to do with people who have a > moral agenda. snip - and ... > This legislation has nothing to do with protecting children or anyone > else of a sensitive nature, if this were the case than other issues > in our society would be addressed which do threaten the mental and moral > health of our children! > Is that why the bill uses terminology like indecent and obscene images of a sexual nature, and mentions restrictions to people under 18 more than once? Do you honestly believe that our congressmen are part of a plot to change the current morals of American society? Please - read the bill, and stop watching the X-Files! :) > I can not tolerate the bizarre idea that children have a "right" to > be on the Internet/World Wide Web without some direction via an adult > or teacher! It would be similiar to having left a child alone in > Times Square (NYC) without any direction or help! Oh, come on - you can't get physically mugged on the Internet! You can't be hit by a car through the WWW! The two are VERY different. And, what you're saying is rather bizarre, given your obvious slant towards first amendment rights - you seem to think that minors DON'T have a right to browse the WWW, unless they're "accompanied" by an adult "escort." Sorry if I came off harsh, but I really don't think that there's some overarching "moral power" at work here - I think it's just the work of a couple hundred old geezers in suits :) ************************************************** David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi dlking@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ ************************************************** From heinzkil at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Tue Feb 13 17:49:40 1996 From: heinzkil at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Richard Heinzkill) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Peter Graham on censorship, telecom bill Message-ID: <01I160KTLQGI8ZEZNH@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> I agree with Peter Graham. It is not that libraries aren't concerned with censorship or the telecom bill, but I think those issues are better handled in other forums. Of course there are always those people that can stretch any scope statement to include their topic. Which brings me around to -- what is the scope of web4lib?? In preparing this note I went back and looked at some of the original documentation that I was sent when I joined back in May 1994. I found:"Information Systems Instruction & Support of the UC Berkeley Library is pleased to announce a new electronic discussion for library-based World-Wide Web developers and managers." I have found it most helpful for myself who don't fit into any of those two categories but teach the Web. And teaching issues seem to show up regularly, but under the short scope statement should they? (YES!) Maybe the group or moderators would care to discuss a longer scope statement to guide people who wish to join and/or submit. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Richard Heinzkill office phone: (503) 346-3095 University of Oregon Knight Library Web: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~heinzkil Eugene, OR 97403-1299 e-mail: heinzkil@oregon.uoregon.edu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From rhenning at fsc.follett.com Tue Feb 13 16:19:58 1996 From: rhenning at fsc.follett.com (Henning, Russell) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages Message-ID: <96Feb13.162048cst.12686@fscmail.fsc.follett.com> >Sorry if I came off harsh, but I really don't think that there's some >overarching "moral power" at work here - I think it's just the work of a >couple hundred old geezers in suits :) ...and don't forget the young wheezer in the Oval Office who signed the thing. If he'd vetoed it, we could all have done an honest week's work. Russ Henning (whose opinions in no way reflect etc., etc.) Follett Software Co. rhenning@fsc.follett.com From shaffer at uic.edu Tue Feb 13 17:37:35 1996 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Christopher Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web In-Reply-To: <v0151010aad464ada5709@[129.97.58.43]> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960213163534.461872B-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we > prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our > ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department > checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and > the electronic submission method is no different. I wouldn't be so sure - I've worked in (unnamed) libraries where the ILL department didn't check every request for patron eligibility, because the technology made it so much of a hassle. ----- "One of the essential problems in engineering a religion for any species is to recognize and refrain from inhibiting those self-regulating systems in the species upon which the species' survival depends." --Frank Herbert Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From Judy_L_DIN at umail.umd.edu Tue Feb 13 17:34:00 1996 From: Judy_L_DIN at umail.umd.edu (jd153) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough In-Reply-To: <CMM-RU.1.4.824239922.psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <9602132237.AA21451@umailsrv1.umd.edu> I've been a little disappointed with the discussion concerning the Telecom Bill, here. What better place for a discussion of our Libraries' responses to the Black Page Protest? Our Libraries' Web Editorial Board took a quick vote via email, and decided to ask the AD for Public Services and the Library Director for permission to turn our web pages black. However, a standing policy university-wide against making political statements without the President's (and University Senate's) approval (impossible on such short notice) made us unable to join in. Did other librarians have similar experiences? Are these sorts of university or city-wide policies common? What other forms of politicking are libraries thinking of participating in? -- Judy Din Technical Services Staff Librarian UMCP Libraries College Park, MD >From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries > >I think the discussion of the telecomm bill and its constraint of free speech >is appropriate, but not on this list, if I may say so without being dumped >on. There are very appropriate lists for this discussion; and the level >being held here on Web4Lib is primarily of anecdotal and venting purpose, >with very familiar arguments on all sides. It is a very important issue and >needs to be dealt with, but on this list I think it is loading us with >unhelpful messages. Thanks (and just tell me no, we don't all need flames on >the importance of the issue). --pg > >Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries >169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 > <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> > From shaffer at uic.edu Tue Feb 13 17:51:14 1996 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Christopher Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion In-Reply-To: <9602122146.AA2936@> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960213164312.461872E-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> My final comments on this as well - first, the bible would be illegal because many 'indecent' acts are described in detail. Second, who defines pornography, obscenity, indecency, etc. in a virtual community? The current definition of obscenity in the U.S. is based on local community standards. Who's the local community? Finally, if you believe that the "spirit" of the law really matters, read the following and tell me how much "spirit" is worth: 325. ------- Spirit or Letter ----- As a general rule of statuary construction, the spirit or intention of a statute prevails over the letter thereof, and whatever is within the spirit of a statute is within the statute although it is not within the letter thereof, while that which is in the letter, but not within the spirit of the statute, is not within the statute; but, where the letter is free and clear from ambiguity, the letter of it is not to be disregarded on the pretext of pursuing the sprirt. 82 Corpus Juris Se. pg 613 p 323 On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Ronnie Morgan wrote: > Let me say this one last thing, and then this will be it for me. I've wasted > enough of my work time debating this. No judge in this world is going to do > anything about a rape discussion group that happens to be including minors who > have been raped. That isn't the "spirit" of the bill, and thus would be > considered as being "oaky" to do. (BTW, I'm sure a rape prevention discussion > would be appropriate for everyone) But the discussion would, I would assume, > have to keep other minors out. And, I'm sure that any pornographic provider > would be in a lot of trouble if they continued to allow access to minors. But, > everything that you people keep saying would be illegal simply would not be. > Things like the bible, discussions on rape, aids, and whatever else all of you > have mentioned, would still be legal. Although I still haven't figured out why > the bible would be illegal, unless you mean that religous discussions would be > illegal as well. I don't recall religion being in the bill, but, someone may > interpret it as being obscene and indecent. ----- "One of the essential problems in engineering a religion for any species is to recognize and refrain from inhibiting those self-regulating systems in the species upon which the species' survival depends." --Frank Herbert Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From lib4t at Menudo.UH.EDU Tue Feb 13 17:51:49 1996 From: lib4t at Menudo.UH.EDU (Gretchen McCord Hoffmann) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: scope of list In-Reply-To: <01I160KTLQGI8ZEZNH@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602131640.K28512-0100000@Menudo.UH.EDU> I've been off the list for a couple of weeks, so I hope this hasn't already been posted. There ARE very important issues arising from the telecomm bill that ARE directly related to this list--like are any libraries preparing to shut down or drastically limit public access to the Web? Is anyone getting pressure from administrations (institutional or library) or patrons to do so? What kind of advice/reaction are you getting from your legal council? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gretchen McCord Hoffmann I want to be thoroughly used up Coordinator of Library Instruction when I die...Life is no "brief University of Houston Libraries candle" to me. It is a sort of gmhoffmann@uh.edu splendid torch which I have got %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% hold of for the moment, and I want All opinions and ideas expressed to make it burn as brightly as above are products of my own possible before handing it on to bizarre thought processes. future generations. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --George Bernard Shaw From jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us Tue Feb 13 18:20:37 1996 From: jschall at glenpub.lib.az.us (Joe Schallan) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Scope of WEB4LIB Message-ID: <9602132320.AA04845@dlapr.state.az.us> Richard Heinzkill wrote: >Which brings me around to -- >what is the scope of web4lib?? In preparing this note I went back and >looked at some of the original documentation . . . I looked, too, but I'm still a little unsure of web4lib's scope myself. I create and update my library's web pages and pass the files on to the city fellow who maintains the web server. For a long time I didn't subscribe to web4lib because it sounded to me like it was strictly for propeller heads and Unix wonks, not HTML writers like me. I'll get off the list if it isn't the appropriate forum. Mr. Tennant?? Thanks, Joe ==================================================== Joe Schallan, MLS jschall@glenpub.lib.az.us Reference Librarian and Webmaster Glendale (Arizona) Public Library http://www.maricopa.gov/glendale/localgov/library/library.htm From ace at Opus1.COM Tue Feb 13 18:39:34 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: I think Further up Further in was Re: Black pages Message-ID: <01I166KIL4KYDBGRB3@Opus1.COM> Its a smoke screen!.. to put the power of access rights to electronic media in our homes into the hands of the "big money guys". I concur with your comments, but remember what this is really about.. BIG BUCKS!... eroche ace@opus1.com ----fwd----------------------------- At 07:34 AM 2/13/96 -0800, Marcia Tucker wrote: >Bravo to Elisabeth Roche and others like her! > >If anyone believes that this Telecommunications Bill will not >discriminate, silence, or be used to prosecute >individuals unfairly than they are naive! > >I personally believe that this Bill has nothing to do with the >adult images, adult discussions, etc... which currently >reside on the Internet, it has to do with people who have a >moral agenda. In this country I thought that we had a separation >of church and state, obviously we are moving toward less >of a separation! Scary thing is that people around me keep >on saying, "oh... they won't inforce it", and "they really >are not moving toward censorship, just protecting our children!" >(I am a librarian and a parent) >This legislation has nothing to do with protecting children or anyone >else of a sensitive nature, if this were the case than other issues >in our society would be addressed which do threaten the mental and moral >health of our children! > >I can not tolerate the bizarre idea that children have a "right" to >be on the Internet/World Wide Web without some direction via an adult >or teacher! It would be similiar to having left a child alone in >Times Square (NYC) without any direction or help! >The Internet can never be a baby sitting service or >a playground which allows children to freely roam >regardless of this bill! There is already available >censoring software which could aid parents/teachers if they are worried, >so why the Bill? > >I guess in this election year if you can't kiss the babies you can >at least try to satisfy their parents by S.652 lip service! > > >Elisabeth Roche wrote: >> >> If our role is to be librarians, and eagerly (a given, right?) try to find >> information for the pursuing and perusing public, then we have no choice. >> >> If by some abberation of the forces of the universe, in the United States we >> have found ourselves in a posture of civil disobedience, then at least our >> consciences are clear. (was that the correct conscience? I sure hope so:-)) >> >> We can follow through on this civil disobedience or we can work around the >> problem and we will all do what we think is the correct thing to do, being >> professional information scientists, let's not lose sight of this truth >> while others try to take this away from us. >> >> Whatever each of us decides to do we still stand together in a fight against >> censorship and restriction of books and learning and information for all the >> people of the US who come from a tradition of our original colonial >> forebears commitments to access to information.(see Benjamin Franklin - smile) >> >> [I wore my "I Read Banned Books button" all day and the grocery checker said >> "You read banned books?" Well, that got the attention of everyone!" )We got >> into a discussion right there in the line at the store. It was great. >> >> Everyone around were bringing up books on the banned list (they were all >> correct, amazing what the "normal real people" we are all part of know isn't >> it:?] >> >> It turned into quite a fun "I read Banned Books" episode at the grocery >> store... >> >> Be ready and use it I say!:-))) I did say, "look at my website, you could >> read banned books there", >> >> The checker said really, "give me your url!!!! >> >> So, talk about it and make it happen!!" >> >> Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com >> http://www.opus1.com/~ace >> serendipity RULES! > From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 13 19:16:17 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Scope of WEB4LIB In-Reply-To: <9602132320.AA04845@dlapr.state.az.us> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960213160310.4445B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> The stated purpose of Web4Lib has not varied since it's inception: "The Web4Lib electronic discussion exists to foster discussion of issues relating to the creation and management of library-based World-Wide Web servers and clients." As those of you who have been on the discussion for a while know, I allow the subscribers quite a bit of latitude in helping to define the discussion. I like to keep my intervention limited to clear-cut cases of spamming or completely off-the-wall postings (no, I'm not talking about you, I'm referring to the incident we had a while ago of someone posting compressed image files of naked women). Anyone who has any questions regarding the proper scope of the list, the commands to use or the address to which to send them, who is in charge, or what someone posted last month, is welcome to visit the discussion Web page which I will re-announce in its new (and let's all pray, final) location in a moment. Thanks, Roy From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 13 19:25:20 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Web Page and Improved Archive Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960213161657.4445C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> The Web4Lib Web page is now available in a new location at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ The page in the old location will remain for a while, with a pointer to the new location. The old page will not be updated, however, so please change your links to the new location. The new page offers much better access to the Web4Lib archive, with links directly to the postings for a particular month in order by date, subject, or author. The total number of postings for each month is also displayed in the table. I hope you find this increased functionality to be useful. Janet Garey of the UCB Library worked hard to make this possible. Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 13 19:31:36 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Untangling the Web Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960213163018.4445E-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Please direct questions regarding this conference to untangle@library.ucsb.edu. Roy ***** The Librarians Association of the University of California, Santa Barbara and Friends of the UCSB Library present UNTANGLING THE WEB http://www.library.ucsb.edu/untangle Where: University Center, University of California, Santa Barbara When: Friday, April 26, 1996, 8:30 am-5:30 pm UNTANGLING THE WEB is a one-day conference exploring ways that librarians can make the best use of the world wide web in all its theoretical and practical aspects. In twenty different sessions speakers will address issues including organizing and evaluating resources, managing a web server, using the web for reference, technical services, and instruction, and more. Registration fees: $45 - Advance registration (until April 1, 1996) $60 - Registration after April 1, 1996 $35 - UCSB or Black Gold/TIE member The conference schedule, abstracts of all the presentations, and a registration form are available at <URL:http://www.library.ucsb.edu/untangle>. Direct questions to Grace Thomas, 805/893-3671 or untangle@library.ucsb.edu. Additional support for this conference provided by The Black Gold Cooperative Library System Reference Committee and TIE/Total Interlibrary Exchange Network. From GBatter387 at aol.com Tue Feb 13 20:41:20 1996 From: GBatter387 at aol.com (GBatter387@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Attn.: Subscribers to The Licensing Journal & The IP Litigator Message-ID: <960213204119_421892130@mail06.mail.aol.com> Kent Press, the publisher of The Licensing Journal and The IP Litigator, will be holding two (2) one-day seminars for subscribers on March 27-28, 1996 at the University Club in New York City. The seminars will be entitled "The Basics of Licensing & Licensing Law" and "The Basics of IP Litigation." Non-subscribers are welcome on a space available basis. For additonal information, contact Katie DeVito at Kent (203) 358-0848. From rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu Tue Feb 13 18:57:38 1996 From: rwagers at wahoo.sjsu.edu (Robert Wagers) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough In-Reply-To: <01BAFA2F.93051260@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960213155528.18005A-100000@wahoo.sjsu.edu> In the spirit of correction, why do you rip me for using a convention and demean my suggestions, then finish with a smiley???? R. Wagers On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > > If you are so frightened of _flaming_ and _being dumped on_, maybe > >you shouldn't participate. Tell me, just what is _appropriate_ for this > >list? Does it have to be propeller head stuff only? Isn't it the > >censors who run to tell us what's appropriate? > > Oh, come now. Suggesting that a list try to stay > on-topic is a far cry from censorship. What is > appropriate for this list is what we, the participants, > decide it is, with the understanding that most of us > signed on for discussions of WEB development FOR (or "4") > LIBraries. That's an admirably flexible boundary, but > Peter Graham, as one of the participants, is entitled to point > out that it doesn't necessarily extend to general discussions > about intellectual freedom, which might be more fruitfully > taken elsewhere. As another of the participants, I must > say I agree. > > Having said that, I have no interest in trying to stop anyone > from carrying on this thread. And there you have it: members > of a virtual community trying to keep a discussion focused > rather than an authoritarian regime exerting control over what > that discussion can cover. > > And since you brought it on yourself-- > > FLAME ON > What besotted troglodyte told you to use an underscore > to quote material from a prior post? That's the convention > for underlining! My mama taught me to use quotation marks, > Bubba, and they're even available on the Commodore 64 you > must be using, so let's try to get with the program! > > Nah, FLAME OFF. My heart just isn't in it... :-) > > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > From jmc at poe.acc.virginia.edu Tue Feb 13 15:10:35 1996 From: jmc at poe.acc.virginia.edu (Jim Campbell) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Position - AUL for Systems and Networked Information Message-ID: <199602132010.PAA77641@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU> UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA LIBRARY FACULTY OPENING Associate University Librarian for Systems and Networked Information POSITION TITLE: The University of Virginia Library invites applications for the position of Associate University Librarian for Systems and Networked Information. The Library is seeking a leader to expand our successful information technology programs through planning for, developing and implementing the most current technology, effective team building, and a strong emphasis on customer service. ENVIRONMENT: The University of Virginia Library is a leader in developing the digital library, with electronic centers focussed on e-texts, digital images, social sciences data, geographical information, music and media, and rare books and manuscripts. The centers are featured on the Library's homepage (http://www.lib.virginia.edu). The Library will migrate from NOTIS to SIRSI during 1996. The technological environment presently includes several Unix file servers, several Novell Netware file servers, a networked system of CD-ROM's, two electronic classrooms, over 300 workstations for users and staff, and an active program of developing WWW resources. The Library works in collaboration with the Institute for Advanced Technology in the Humanities and with other departments on many faculty research projects. The University Library system consists of ten libraries, with independent libraries for health sciences, law, and business. The libraries serve 11,000 undergraduates, 6,000 graduate students and 1,600 teaching faculty. The Library is a resource library for the Virtual Library of Virginia (VIVA), a state consortium of academic libraries sharing electronic resources. JOB DESCRIPTION: The Associate University Librarian for Systems and Networked Information is a member of the Library's management team, with particular responsibility for shaping and achieving an ambitious vision for deploying technology in support of teaching and research at the University. Reporting to the University Librarian, the Associate University Librarian provides leadership and direction in the planning, development, coordination, and operational support for information technology and telecommunications activities library-wide. The Associate University Librarian manages a staff of three professional librarians, three professional computing positions, and two support positions and coordinates the Library's six electronic centers and a decentralized program for developing WWW resources, which are integrated within user service areas. The Systems and Networked Information Division supports the in-house operation of SIRSI; specifies, installs and maintains workstations and other information technology and telecommunications equipment library-wide; provides network administration, and oversees technical aspects of providing access to both local and remote networked information resources. The division coordinates and trains computer support personnel in each library department and participates in a library-wide training program that emphasizes technology. The Associate University Librarian collaborates with systems personnel at the University and with colleagues at other VIVA libraries. QUALIFICATIONS: The successful candidate will possess a master's degree or higher in a relevant field, preferably an ALA accredited MLS; an understanding of and commitment to the role of technology in research libraries; a demonstrated understanding of the technology for developing Internet and other networked-based information services and cooperative systems; proven ability to lead in a rapidly-changing environment; successful experience in managing information technology and networks; ability to work collegially with colleagues and users; excellent communication and planning skills; commitment to customer-service and quality management; and (preferred) experience with NOTIS and/or SIRSI, Unix, and local area networks. BENEFITS AND SALARY: General faculty status, 22 days vacation, generous sick leave, group health insurance, retirement plans, and research leave. Salary: $60,000 or higher, depending on qualifications. Applications received by March 1 will receive first consideration. Send letter of application, resume, and a list of references to: Gail Oltmanns Director, Library Human Resources Alderman Library University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903-2498 From andi at u.washington.edu Tue Feb 13 22:19:49 1996 From: andi at u.washington.edu (Andrea Bartelstein) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:18 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960213110857.24671B-100000@bird.library.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91l.960213174919.30029B-100000@saul6.u.washington.edu> Ronnie Morgan said: > I'm not saying that kids "don't" need access to the internet. There are > a lot of good/fun things on the net just for kids. > > But, again I'll say this. If people would have taken the responsiblily > a long time ago, to make sure some kid isn't getting to their stuff, the > bill never would have been thought of, and would never have been needed. > I guess in a way I'm saying that this whole mess that everyone is making > is your fault. Oh, please. Let's get real. The people who enacted this legislation don't care about kids. If they did, they'd be focusing their efforts on the things that constitute actual danger to kids, such as: the tobacco industry poverty domestic violence lack of appropriate, straightforward sex education deadbeat parents who don't pay child support lack of affordable health care homophobia homelessness just to name a few. But it's easier to erode the first amendment rights of adults than it is to work on these problems. Ideas can't hurt you. But a small group of individuals (whether it's the left, the right, librarians, or a bunch of idiot legislators) dictating what everyone else can read, write, or say CAN. The same bozos who brought you this legislation will turn around and bemoan the state of education in this country. What a cop-out. Try fostering critical thinking skills in your children by exposing them to open debate. Tell them what you believe and what your values are and why. Let them know where you stand and why you don't want them exposed to whatever it is that offends you. Take responsibility for raising your own children instead of expecting the government to do it for you. I guess I'm not a lurker anymore... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Andrea Bartelstein University of Washington, Seattle UWired Librarian andi@u.washington.edu (206) 616-1969 "Being offended is the price we pay for living in a free society." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ace at Opus1.COM Wed Feb 14 05:18:46 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Black pages Message-ID: <01I16SW2361EDBGRP9@Opus1.COM> *If* there is small comfort in this postings analysis, I will take it.:)) I decided not to black out my page and went straight into civil disobedience.. join me or not but stop talking about some kind of "moral issue" when we all know it all about "big bucks" Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com http://www.opus1.com/~ace serendipity RULES! ----fwd original message------ At 02:19 PM 2/9/96 -0800, Albert Lunde wrote: >At 11:29 AM 2/9/96, David L. King wrote: >>> But material on subjects like AIDS, or Rennassance painting, or >>> American history (try explaining 1968) or literature like Ulysses >>> can all be impacted. >> >>But, is this a problem now? My understanding of this bill is that now, if >>they want to, the FCC can "regulate" the Internet, much like they >>"regulate" broadcast tv and radio. But things like date rape, civil >>rights, AIDS, etc. are all represented on tv and radio - why would the >>fcc do anything different on the internet? > >The standard of "indecency" is similar to broadcast television, but I don't >think this law depends on FCC regulation to enforce it. I think rather, the >amendments were added on to a section of law previously having to do with >telephone harrassment. > >You really need to look at details of the law before and after to see the >full impact. In prior drafts, section titles and abstracts were a bit >misleading. > >(I'm not a lawyer and I've only read parts of the final version.) > >--- > Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu > > > From v9100055 at athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de Wed Feb 14 07:07:15 1996 From: v9100055 at athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Ulrich Babiak) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Bombproofing Win-NT / Win95 Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.32.19960214120715.00671d5c@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Hello All, here's a rather detailed question regarding the use of Win95 in conjunction with NT Server for keeping public PCs "bombproof". If (if...) I can finally figure out how to set it up (maybe with a little help from you) I could post a summary of the necessary steps if somebody is interested. In order to avoid big mistakes in the beginning I would like to ask for a good way to get started. This is what I want to set up: Public internet access from PCs running under Win95 in a tiny little Network (currently 3, probably expanding up to 10 client PCs) administered from an existing NT Server. As our library patrons like to play around with system settings, the workstations should be set up to reload all the configuration information at boot time, so when something is screwed up the staff only need to reboot the machine and everything should be fine. The Win95 policy editor should be used to disable user access to most of the user configurable part. I even consider using it to allow only access to specified applications, if possible. (Is it possible?) When booting up, the workstation should request the user-/system-/policy- files from the server and then dive directly into Netscape without any login screen. How can I achieve this with the logics of NT-Administration? Here's what I have considered so far: On the NT server, creating one user for every client pc and putting these users together in one group, permitting access to all the software (browser, viewer, telnet etc.) they need. Software will remain on the server. On the client PCs, creating one "default" user (the same user as on the NT server) with minimal rights, whose registry information remains on the server and is loaded at boot time using the built-in features of Win95. Does this seem to be reasonable? As a complete newbie with NT, I doubt that I really understood the concept of user and computer management in NT, so if this is the wrong way to go, please stop me! Also, what I don't understand is how to make the "public" user the default user of the workstation (as there still has to be an additonal "administrator" user) so that the login procedure (both local Win95 login and server login) can be performed automatically after booting up (the "public" user will have no password). If you have any ideas (or if you are interested in the summary) let me know. Uli Ulrich Babiak | Buero ubabiak@dom.de Dipl.-Netzer :-) | privat v9100055@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de StadtBibliothek Koeln | http://joe.law.pace.edu/staff/ub/ub.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gegen Zensur im Netz: Spendet an die <a href:"http://www.eff.org"> EFF </a> From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Wed Feb 14 08:34:07 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: The Art of the Flame Message-ID: <01BAFAB7.35DAC980@grey.ohiolink.edu> Back in the early days of the net, when Men Were Men and Flames Were Flames (Women were Women, too) forthright contention didn't count as "flames". People were expected to have definite positions and defend them vigorously. Both Robert's post and Peter's before it imply that the flamage on W4L has been fast and furious, whereas I've simply seen a thread where people feel strongly on both sides. I don't think there's even been a single comment about anyone's mother. Once upon a time, flames were deliberate constructions, designed to be vitriolic, over the top, and, well, inflammatory. And they were clearly delineated by the early markup tags FLAME ON and FLAME OFF. Since this is a branch of rhetoric seldom seen on the net these days, I thought it might be helpful to punctuate its less than completely serious nature with a smiley. Now if you'll excuse me, I've spent far more time on the discussion of whether we've taken the CDA discussion as far as we should, than I ever did on the CDA discussion itself. Thomas Dowling | I felt sorry for myself because I had no shoes. OhioLINK | Then I met a man who had no feet, and tdowling@ohiolink.edu | I said, "Friend...can I have your shoes?" ---------- >From: Robert Wagers[SMTP:rwagers@wahoo.sjsu.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 1996 10:57 AM >To: Thomas Dowling >Cc: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough > In the spirit of correction, why do you rip me for using a convention >and demean my suggestions, then finish with a smiley???? From R124C41 at aol.com Wed Feb 14 08:35:21 1996 From: R124C41 at aol.com (R124C41@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Freedom of Speech - Abortion Message-ID: <960214083519_221789538@emout06.mail.aol.com> But it does prevent putting up a web site advertising places where such drugs can be obtained and such services be performed....right? It's naive to think that the law is all black and white. It depends a lot on how zealous the prosecutor is and how clever the interpretation and how tenuous the times.... --R124C41@AOL.COM From thom at indiana.edu Wed Feb 14 09:07:02 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: The Art of the Flame In-Reply-To: <01BAFAB7.35DAC980@grey.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960214090520.18856F-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> And for those of you who thought Thomas was being merely post-Edwardian: Title: Flame wars : the discourse by cyberculture / edited by Mark Dery. Published: Durham, NC : Duke University Press, 1994. Description: iv, 349 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. Some folks think the most constructive thoughts arise out of flames. I do. Good book. --Thom From pdurusau at crl.com Wed Feb 14 08:57:33 1996 From: pdurusau at crl.com (Patrick Durusau) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: censorship, telecom bill In-Reply-To: <01I160KTLQGI8ZEZNH@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960214055516.26251E-100000@crl.crl.com> I have a question for all of you guys. I work in a small community with one library. I am the Children's Specialist. We are about to offer internet access to our patrons with terminals in the adult and children's departments. If any of you have internet terminals in children's departments have you put surfwatch or some such contraption on them to limit access. That seems to be the way things are shaping up here and I would like to know how others have handled it. Carol Durusau From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Wed Feb 14 10:06:01 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough Message-ID: <199602141506.KAA20391@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 798 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960214/0e23f91b/attachment.bat From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Wed Feb 14 10:18:43 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Java developer's environment for MacOS 7.5 Message-ID: <199602141518.KAA20421@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 878 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960214/d02e58f0/attachment.bat From riddle at is.rice.edu Wed Feb 14 10:32:58 1996 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960214055516.26251E-100000@crl.crl.com> from "Patrick Durusau" at Feb 14, 96 06:44:06 am Message-ID: <199602141532.JAA28560@brazos.is.rice.edu> > From web4lib@library.berkeley.edu Wed Feb 14 08:42:25 1996 > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 06:44:06 -0800 > From: Patrick Durusau <pdurusau@crl.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: censorship, telecom bill > > I have a question for all of you guys. I work in a small community with > one library. I am the Children's Specialist. We are about to offer > internet access to our patrons with terminals in the adult and children's > departments. If any of you have internet terminals in children's > departments have you put surfwatch or some such contraption on them to > limit access. That seems to be the way things are shaping up here and I > would like to know how others have handled it. > > Carol Durusau Good question, and I, too, would like to hear some practical reports from the field. Here are a couple of references which may be useful for the discussion: The Internet Parental Control FAQ discusses both technical and non-technical methods of limiting children's access to inappropriate material, including Surfwatch and other rating schemes: http://www.vtw.org/pubs/ipcfaq In addition, the Electronic Frontier Foundation maintains a "Rating, Filtering and Labelling of Online Content" archive: http://www.eff.org/pub/Censorship/Ratings_filters_labelling/ My own two cents: I suspect that rating systems such as Surfwatch (or non-proprietary, multiple-rating alternatives such as PICS) may prove to be *fairly* effective at screening out the most obvious sources of objectionable material. However, I think they face some fundamental problems: -- They do not address one-to-one communications such as e-mail. (What happens when little Johnny in Cleveland starts trading dirty stories or pictures with little Janie in Vancouver?) -- They may prove easy to circumvent for bright youngsters who figure out how to download their own software, access unfiltered public clients, etc. -- Most worrisome to me: if they *are* effective, expect the same technology to be used by repressive governments to control what information can be accessed by adults as well as children. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle -- Home office: 2002-A Guadalupe St. #285, Austin, TX 78705 / 512-323-0708 -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. From calarcop at medpo1.med.yale.edu Wed Feb 14 10:37:00 1996 From: calarcop at medpo1.med.yale.edu (Calarco, Pascal) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: FW: New discussion group "CDA96-L" = COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT of 1996 Message-ID: <3122029F@bcumssmtp.med.yale.edu> In light of the recent discussion here on Web4Lib on the topic, I thought I would forward this announcement to the rest of the list. A new forum for discussion of the CDA has been created. See below. Pascal V. Calarco, MLIS IAIMS Assistant, Librarian Cushing/Whitney Medical Library Yale University pascal.calarco@yale.edu ---------- In light of the recent furor over the airwaves, in the media, and in lawsuits regarding the COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT of 1996 that United States' President Clinton signed into law on February 8, 1996, I have created a forum for people to discuss the concerns raised by this (and similar) pieces of legislation. LISTNAME: CDA96-L FULL TITLE: Communications Decency Act of 1996 Discussion Group FORMAT: Un-moderated, Postings must come from registered subscribers SUBSCRIPTIONS: via LISTPROC software LISTOWNER: Gary M. Klein <gklein@willamette.edu> Management & Business Economics Librarian Hatfield Library Willamette University Salem, Oregon 97301 USA DESCRIPTION: CDA96-L is open to the networkng community. Its primary role is to serve as a means of communication among people who are concerned about the implications of the United States of America's COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT of 1996 (signed into law by President William J. Clinton on February 8, 1996). Its secondary role is to serve as a discussion forum for similar legislation or regulation that may be in the formative or final stages in any other country, or at any local jurisdiction that would restrict, limit or inhibit use of Internet resources based on "decency", "morality", "offensiveness", or based on the age of someone using, operating, or accessing an Internet resource. SUBSCRIBING TO THE "CDA96-L" LIST: Anyone may subscribe to the list by sending a <sub cda96-l your name> command to <listproc@willamette.edu> For example, if Idi Amin wanted to subscribe, the post would be: mailto: listproc@willamette.edu text: sub cda96-l Idi Amin OTHER LISTPROC COMMANDS: Will be supplied to each subscriber as part of the Welcome Message. (please feel free to cross-post this announcement in appropriate places) GARY M. KLEIN "not your average librarian & indecent communicator" Hatfield Library / Willamette University / Salem, Oregon 97301 USA work 503-370-6743 / gklein@willamette.edu From kgs at interactive.net Wed Feb 14 09:57:05 1996 From: kgs at interactive.net (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: ILL on the Web Message-ID: <v01530508ad47a1779419@[204.97.113.35]> >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:37:35 -0600 (CST) >From: Christopher Shaffer <shaffer@uic.edu> >To: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Subject: Re:ILL forms on Web >Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960213163534.461872B-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu> > >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > >> If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we >> prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our >> ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department >> checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and >> the electronic submission method is no different. > >I wouldn't be so sure - I've worked in (unnamed) libraries where the ILL >department didn't check every request for patron eligibility, because the >technology made it so much of a hassle. also, there are some libraries where the sheer volume of ILL is so much that a solution requiring the manual checking of each form would be impossible. One where I've worked at used student ID numbers to automate this procedure. The ILL department existed primarily to work on the validity of the bibliographic verification--not the patron. I can see where the .h* restriction might work for a small place lookign for a low-cost entry-level solution... but another point: it also means ILL can't be done from remote sites (e.g. home)--right? If I log in from interactive.net (or... yay! soon enough! bluehighways.com), the machine won't recognize me. Karen, carefully not responding to the "let's not have a thread" thread, believing threads die a natural death if you LET them... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Abortion is legal and can be obtained throughout the U.S. via surgical procedures, and where accessible, by use of the drug RU482. See your doctor or local Planned Parenthood clinic. Please copy this information to your sig file or WWW page. From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Wed Feb 14 11:29:37 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems Message-ID: <199602141629.AA06510@library.ucsf.edu > Prentiss writes: | -- They may prove easy to circumvent for bright youngsters who | figure out how to download their own software, access unfiltered | public clients, etc. Indeed, back in the seventies when the sum total of computer porno consisted ASCII line-printer art, my friends and I figured out how to get at the stuff. Filtering can take at least two forms: that of increasing the signal-to-noise ratio in networked information discovery and retrieval, and that of blocking retrieval of objects that meet certain criteria. The easy case is the former, because the filtering is advisory and must be overridable by the user. This mode of content rating is applicable to serious applications such as medical content, where quality ratings like peer-review is essential to ensure data correctness. But when you try, using software implemented on a low-security transport such as TCP/IP, to absolutely block people from accessing certain classes of networked information, the task gets more difficult and easier to circumvent. Using a richer server architecture such as HTTP, content providers can take some common-sense actions to proactively limit inappropriate content to kids in the US. In the absence of authentication access control (user IDS, etc), content providers can have their HTTP servers deny access to *k12*, *aol*, *compuserve*, and the like. On the client side, it would be helpful for clients to implement a trust-based logging system. I can envision a pact between librarian and young patron as to which classes of sites were acceptable use for this terminal as a public service. Perhaps the browser could maintain an encrypted a log of sites visited by each young user that a librarian could decrypt and inspect after the fact. If the kid broke the agreement, their future access could be limited. But the net is not television, no matter how much publishers like Time Warner would wish. Nor is it a library with a coherent collection development policy. Its more like a big garage sale or flea market, you might find everything, but you never know exactly what you will find unless you take care to give each thing a close inspection. -marc From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Wed Feb 14 11:51:48 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (BEARDEN_CHARLES) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Bombproofing Win-NT / Win95 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.32.19960214120715.00671d5c@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960214103123.15610D-100000@sparc> Ulrich, There are several things you can do. I do recommend using Policy Editor, as it changes the Registry settings to disable much of what you want to disable. I am writing from home, so I can't consult its menus directly, however. You can allow only certain Windows applications to be run. You can also hide all Desktop icons, all drives in My Computer, you can disable Find, Run, and Settings on the Start button. You can also hide Network Neighborhood altogether. You can disable MSDOS (incl. shutting down to MSDOS). As for information about setting up user policies, get the Windows 95 Resource Kit from the www.microsoft.com site. It includes a fairly extensive help file that treats this topic. We are running Win 95 workstations as OPAC/Internet clients on our Ethernet/LAN. What we did to protect the LAN was to delete all the Novell protocols, leaving only TCP/IP and the driver for our Ethernet cards. Network neighborhood then went away of its own accord. I am totally unfamiliar with Windows NT. You might also consider using a 16-bit Netscape client that uses an INI file instead of the Registry to store its settings. You can make this INI file Read-only to prevent changes from being saved. To ensure that Netscape loads first thing after Win95 startup: edit the WIN.INI file to make the load= line read: load=c:\netscape\netscape.exe (substitute the actual path if different) This is an alternative to using the StartUp group under Start => Programs. To prevent interruption of the boot up process, edit the MSDOS.SYS file and either add or edit the line BootKeys=0 This setting disables F8 and other keys that interrupt the boot process. As I recall, CTRL+O remains a problem in newer Netscape releases. The Win95 Open dialog box also allows patrons to delete, rename, etc. any files displayed there. Hide Icons and Drives may mitigate this problem somewhat. I hope these tips help! Mit freundlichen Gruessen aus Houston, Texas, Chuck Bearden Houston Public Library cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us 713/247-3499 From hwhite at ccs.neu.edu Wed Feb 14 13:53:40 1996 From: hwhite at ccs.neu.edu (Howard White) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Scope of WEB4LIB Message-ID: <v02130504ad47997a1eaf@[155.33.211.121]> If a mailing on bird ecology censored it's member from discussing chemical poisons because it's OFF-TOPIC, would that be ALL RIGHT!!!!! The CDA is deadly poison to the environment of THE WEB. It's ON-TOPIC PERIOD. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard White, PC Tech Coor., Northeastern University <a href=http://155.33.211.90/>The Cyberspace Identity Portal</a> From zhang at welchgate.welch.jhu.edu Wed Feb 14 15:38:13 1996 From: zhang at welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Dongming Zhang) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: session manager on web server .. Message-ID: <9602142038.AA28271@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> Greeting, Does anybody know any information about session manager on www? We would like to collect ACCURATE information on system usage and user information, www access_log file is not enough or doesn't provide these information. I Heard that session manager or the like will provide such function. Also I would like to know how other libraries deal with this issue. Dongming Zhang Welch Medical Library Johns Hopkins University From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Wed Feb 14 15:59:02 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: session manager Message-ID: <199602142059.PAA21108@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 779 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960214/81a2bbb0/attachment.bat From hwhite at ccs.neu.edu Wed Feb 14 16:05:30 1996 From: hwhite at ccs.neu.edu (Howard White) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems Message-ID: <v02130505ad47b442698a@[155.33.211.121]> riddle@is.rice.edu wrote: > >My own two cents: I suspect that rating systems such as Surfwatch >(or non-proprietary, multiple-rating alternatives such as PICS) may >prove to be *fairly* effective at screening out the most obvious >sources of objectionable material. However, I think they face some >fundamental problems: > > -- They do not address one-to-one communications such as e-mail. > (What happens when little Johnny in Cleveland starts trading > dirty stories or pictures with little Janie in Vancouver?) The fundamental problem is that this kind of content has been communicated since the beginning of human civilivation, by means to slow and expensive (paper) or to fleeting and undocumentable (verbal) to worry our heads about. Now, instantaneous and documentable means is available for FREE and we're scared. We can only hope that evolution took care of any problems this new medium of communications might cause in our modern societies a while back (100,000 years or so), because it's truely impossible for humans to stop behaving like humans. > -- They may prove easy to circumvent for bright youngsters who > figure out how to download their own software, access unfiltered > public clients, etc. Networked minds automatically treat censorship as damage and route around it. > > -- Most worrisome to me: if they *are* effective, expect the same > technology to be used by repressive governments to control what > information can be accessed by adults as well as children. A good test case is in the works: Subjects of the experiment - one billion humans Censorship solution providers - the best vendors of the Unitied States & Europe The client - the Government of the People's Republic of China -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard White, PC Tech Coor., Northeastern University <a href=http://155.33.211.90/>The Cyberspace Identity Portal</a> From dave at ci.pasadena.ca.us Wed Feb 14 16:15:16 1996 From: dave at ci.pasadena.ca.us (David Christensen) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: session manager on web server .. References: <9602142038.AA28271@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <312250E4.642E33C3@ci.pasadena.ca.us> Dongming Zhang wrote: > > Greeting, > > Does anybody know any information about session manager on www? > We would like to collect ACCURATE information on system usage and > user information, www access_log file is not enough or doesn't provide > these information. I Heard that session manager or the like will provide > such function. > > Also I would like to know how other libraries deal with this issue. > > Dongming Zhang > Welch Medical Library > Johns Hopkins University Check out Accesswatch 1.32 http://www.wg.bucknell.edu/~dmaher/accesswatch/ This will give you everything you could possibly want and it uses the access_log. -- *************************************************************** David E. Christensen Network Operations Manager City of Pasadena, Department of Information Services (818)405-4251 Office (818)449-2165 Fax dave@ci.pasadena.ca.us *************************************************************** From zhang at welchgate.welch.jhu.edu Wed Feb 14 16:32:25 1996 From: zhang at welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Dongming Zhang) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: session manager In-Reply-To: <199602142059.PAA21108@holychao.cas.muohio.edu>; from "John "Adder" Fink" at Feb 14, 96 1:22 pm Message-ID: <9602142132.AA08633@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> (1) we are trying to collect the information about who is using the www server which could be find via out user/passwd screen, but it's difficult to track down this specific user's activities in the system because we are providing several databases and would like to know which databases he/she is using. The existing vt100 gateway can get all the user activities and even time stamp information and we would like our www-based system has similar functions; (2) session manager is a piece of software sits in between http server and database; or on http server which assign each logined user a session id until this user leave the system. Just my understanding and may have several approaches. We are using UNIX server. Dongming Zhang Welch Medical Library Johns Jopkins University > > > > Greeting, > > > > Does anybody know any information about session manager on www? > > We would like to collect ACCURATE information on system usage and > > user information, www access_log file is not enough or doesn't provide > > these information. I Heard that session manager or the like will provide > > such function. > > > > Also I would like to know how other libraries deal with this issue. > > > > I think you're going to have to be a little more specific; unless yet > again I am displaying gross ignorance, 'cos I've never heard of a > 'session manager'. Is this a UNIX-based www server? 'Session manager' > sounds like WindowsNT-speak. > > Also, what sort of information are you seeking that the normal www usage > logs don't record? > > -- john f, miami university library systems > From marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu Wed Feb 14 17:03:04 1996 From: marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems In-Reply-To: hwhite@ccs.neu.edu (Howard White) "Re: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems" (Feb 14, 13:30) References: <v02130505ad47b442698a@[155.33.211.121]> Message-ID: <9602141403.ZM25923@matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu> Howard White <hwhite@ccs.neu.edu> |Subjects of the experiment - one billion humans |Censorship solution providers - the best vendors of the Unitied States & Europe |The client - the Government of the People's Republic of China The Chinese regime is pretty nefarious in intent and crude in its actions, but right here in the good ole USA we might see a different approach to a similar problem that controls discourse just as well without the messy side effects. While we pride ourselves as a society free of censorship, we still see a pretty tightly controlled mainstream flow of news and information. In fact, political discourse here is so tightly controlled that we have little place to criticize the Chinese, practically or ideally. And then there's the USA'a ally, Singapore. =*=*= Coax (TV Cable) digital networking schemes in the works seem to allow 95% bandwith of content providers into the home with 5% or less bandwidth from the home to the network. Providers of the homogenous "content" that we've grown to love (Home Improvement, COPS...) from other media sources like this as they can monopolize the distributive network access while we are still free to consume their product, in its violence and sexual glory, from the privacy and comfort of our homes. While mere humans are allowed to nibble at the edges of the information market without significant government interference, the vast majority of information flowing into the home now and under a new status quo will be as controlled and homogenous as if there were state censorship in the USA for reasons that Noam Chomsky discusses in _Manufacturing_Consent_. The network holds promise as a global communication infrastructure that is less subject to the mediation filter of high capitalization that TV and print require now. I can be a consumer as well as a producer with access to the same distribution as biggies like Time Warner. But if big money media beneficiaries of the current media setup use their power shrewdly as this new form is coming into being, another opening for exchange in an electronic information economic democracy will slam shut. State censorship sucks, but at least everything's on the table and you know where you stand. Its the illusion of free speech, neutered for pragmatism, and rife with contradictions that is the real killer. -marc Sorry to discuss politics on the list, but... -- --/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ // Marc Salomon - Software Engineer - Innovative Software Systems Group \\ \\ Library and Center for Knowledge Management - UC, San Francisco // // phone : 415.476.9541 - e-mail : marc@ckm.ucsf.edu - fax: 415.476.4653 \\ \\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\<URL:http://www.ckm.ucsf.edu/marc/>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/// From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Feb 14 18:16:41 1996 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: Talking browser for visually impaired (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960214171526.4389C-100000@moondog.usask.ca> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:50:22 -0600 From: Christine Chiu <pitsco@PITSCO.COM> Subject: Talking browser for visually impaired To: Multiple recipients of list LM_NET <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Thought some of you might find this of interest: Internet software vendor Productivity Works [http://www.prodworks.com/] in Trenton, New Jersey, has unveiled a browser that talks to the user to help the visually impaired get World Wide Web access. Called pwWebSpeak, the browser translates information content from Web pages into speech. The intelligence built into the browser reads HTML code and automatically disregards non-HTML content such as graphics and multimedia. The browser also creates large character interpretations of Web pages for partially sighted users. There are 27 million visually impaired individuals in the United States and Europe, according to Productivity Works. The company will begin beta testing pwWebSpeak in March. Beta testers must be visually impaired, have a PC running Windows 3.1 or Windows 95, Internet access running a TCP/IP connection, and an audio card. The browser will be available in April for free. The company is asking for a $100 maintenace fee, but will waive the cost if needed, according to officials. Productivity Works was assisted in developing the browser by De Witt and Associates interface consultants and the Thomas Edison State College. Christine Chiu GUI Designer/webmaster Pitsco Technology Education chiu@pitsco.com http://www.usa.net/~pitsco/ From jveldof at bird.library.arizona.edu Wed Feb 14 22:28:08 1996 From: jveldof at bird.library.arizona.edu (Jerilyn Veldof) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:19 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web In-Reply-To: <v0151010aad464ada5709@[129.97.58.43]> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960214200709.14100A-100000@bird.library.arizona.edu> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > The security offered by the .htaccess file stops the world from using our > ILL service. > > If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we > prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our > ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department > checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and > the electronic submission method is no different. > I believe our ILL Department checks the email address, does a finger on the > student or checks our patron database to verify the borrower information. Who has time to do this? We recieve at least 100 requests a day and do not check to see if they're all "valid" users. We are too backlogged (with the addition of our online indexes and cancellations of journals and no increase in ILL budget for staff). Of course, if they request a book loan they won't be able to check the item out of the Library - but as of now all a person has to do is check the "student" box and the request goes through. This is somewhat acceptable in an offline environment when a patron has to come into the library and ask about ILL. We can then tell them about our policy and tell non-affiliated people to go to the public library. But in an electronic environment when they only need to sit down at the computer and find "Interlibrary Loan" as an option on our OPAC a patron can order away. Because of this a requester must first enter their name and then their ID barcode number which is checked against the system. Jerilyn Veldof University of Arizona > > At 1:19 PM 2/13/96, Jerilyn Veldof wrote: > > >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > > > >> Helen... > >> > >> At UW we simply restrict access to the form and the cgi script to computers > >> in the UW domain. Using the .htaccess file for this purpose means that > >> only users within your institution can submit ILL requests. > >> > >> It sure beats setting up individual user authentication. > > > >If I'm interpreting this right this means that non-affiliated > >users from the community need only come into the library to order ILL > >materials - as long as they are using a machine with the UW domain. Is > >this correct? Do you feel that this is not much of a "problem" and that > >it's cheaper or more efficient in the long run than is setting up user > >authentication? > > > >Jerilyn Veldof > >University of Arizona Library > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > William Oldfield (Networked Information Research Associate) > University of Waterloo Library Phone: (519) 888-4567 Ext. 2461 > Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 Email: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca > UWELib: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/ > Homepage: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~wroldfie/home.html > > > > From nils.pharo at rbt.no Thu Feb 15 04:21:19 1996 From: nils.pharo at rbt.no (Nils Pharo) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: session manager on web server .. Message-ID: <9602150924.AA15371@library.berkeley.edu> At 13:43 14.02.96 -0800, David Christensen wrote: >Check out Accesswatch 1.32 > >http://www.wg.bucknell.edu/~dmaher/accesswatch/ that *should* be http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/dmaher/accesswatch -- I have been considering various access log programs lately, and this one looks interesting. Nils ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nils.Pharo@rbt.no RBT - National Office for Research Documentation, Academic and Professional Libraries, Norway telephone +47 22 43 08 80 telefax +47 22 56 09 81 ************"It's grim up north"*********** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Feb 15 08:04:33 1996 From: wroldfie at library.uwaterloo.ca (William Oldfield) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: ILL forms on Web Message-ID: <v01510100ad4898ff38f2@[129.97.58.43]> Before I start talking about what happens in the ILL department I should ask :-) I finally did and they do not check the validity of a user. The form requires a student ID , etc. If some information is missing on the form they will check the user out to find what's missing. >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > >> The security offered by the .htaccess file stops the world from using our >> ILL service. >> >> If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we >> prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our >> ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department >> checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and >> the electronic submission method is no different. >> I believe our ILL Department checks the email address, does a finger on the >> student or checks our patron database to verify the borrower information. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ William Oldfield (Networked Information Research Associate) University of Waterloo Library Phone: (519) 888-4567 Ext. 2461 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 Email: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca UWELib: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/ Homepage: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~wroldfie/home.html From kfattig at polar.Bowdoin.EDU Thu Feb 15 09:10:45 1996 From: kfattig at polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Karl Fattig) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: CDA96-L Message-ID: <9602151410.AA22214@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> LISTNAME: CDA96-L FULL TITLE: Communications Decency Act of 1996 Discussion Group FORMAT: Un-moderated, Postings must come from registered subscribers SUBSCRIPTIONS: via LISTPROC software LISTOWNER: Gary M. Klein <gklein@willamette.edu> Management & Business Economics Librarian Hatfield Library Willamette University Salem, Oregon 97301 USA DESCRIPTION: CDA96-L is open to the networkng community. Its primary role is to serve as a means of communication among people who are concerned about the implications of the United States of America's COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT of 1996 (signed into law by President William J. Clinton on February 8, 1996). Its secondary role is to serve as a discussion forum for similar legislation or regulation that may be in the formative or final stages in any other country, or at any local jurisdiction that would restrict, limit or inhibit use of Internet resources based on "decency", "morality", "offensiveness", or based on the age of someone using, operating, or accessing an Internet resource. SUBSCRIBING TO THE "CDA96-L" LIST: Anyone may subscribe to the list by sending a <sub cda96-l your name> command to <listproc@willamette.edu> For example, if Idi Amin wanted to subscribe, the post would be: mailto: listproc@willamette.edu text: sub cda96-l Idi Amin OTHER LISTPROC COMMANDS: Will be supplied to each subscriber as part of the Welcome Message. (please feel free to cross-post this announcement in appropriate places) GARY M. KLEIN "not your average librarian & indecent communicator" Hatfield Library / Willamette University / Salem, Oregon 97301 USA work 503-370-6743 / gklein@willamette.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Fattig, Catalog Librarian | Bowdoin College | __ Cheap kfattig@polar.bowdoin.edu | Brunswick, ME 04011 | __ Fast VOX (207) 725-3027 | FAX (207) 725-3083 | __ Good (Pick two) From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Thu Feb 15 09:47:14 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Reeling in Netscape Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960215083438.158617B-100000@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Hello all, Besides the kiosk feature in Netscape, are there any other tricks, bells and/or whistles to configuring a browser to access only a set cadre of url's? We have internet workstations dedicated to bibliographic searching (OPAC, telnet, ERL, Cambridge Scientific via the WWW, our GPO Web Page0) & need to batten down the hatches for security reasons. Folks seem to sneak around our current PC lock outs (another entire issue!), load applications on public service PC's and create general havoc with the resident setups. By limiting the url's on these machines, I'd hope to discourage surfing (we have loads of other workstations for that), keep our hard-drives clean & provide clients access to databases when they want them. Thanks, David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Thu Feb 15 10:05:17 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Web Publications & Tenure Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960215084719.158617C-100000@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Hello all, At LSU, we are grappling with the issue of Web publications and tenure requirements: Research, Service & Job Performance. All seem to be in agreement (The other day, the Earth standing still was the result of our faculty being in agreement. Thought you should know) that electronic analogs to traditional published-in-print examples of research & service (e.g. article or editorship in electronic, peer-reviewed journal, maintenance of a professional society's web site, etc.) One issue to be resolved: Are self published, annotated internet finding aids (webliographies) considered research or job performance. Creation of archival finding aids & of databases have traditionally been lumped w/ research. Now, members of the library faculty are creating webliographies that are used by libraries across the country & given various stamps of approval by external sources (e.g. UMich/Argus Clearinghouse). The value of these external reviews in the tenure process has yet to be determined. The faculty may agree that if a webliography is peer-reviewed by an external source, then the work could be considered 'research', for tenure & reappointment purposes. But who does or will do the review. My query, are any of you addressing this same or similar issue and if so, what questions & answers are you coming up with? I'll be asking this same question in other forums (ACRL for example) & can bring additional input into any discussion I'd be happy to summarize for the list. Thanks, David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 15 10:21:14 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: session manager on web server .. In-Reply-To: <9602150924.AA15371@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960215071836.28400B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Please COPY and PASTE URLs, don't type them. Frequently when someone gives a URL in a message it is wrong, and then a correction must be sent out, and in this case two corrections. The CORRECT URL (copied and pasted from the page itself) is: http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~dmaher/accesswatch/ (the tilde was inadvertently left out when the URL was retyped below) Thanks, Roy Tennant On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Nils Pharo wrote: > At 13:43 14.02.96 -0800, David Christensen wrote: > >Check out Accesswatch 1.32 > > > >http://www.wg.bucknell.edu/~dmaher/accesswatch/ > > that *should* be http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/dmaher/accesswatch > -- > I have been considering various access log programs lately, and this one > looks interesting. > > Nils > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nils.Pharo@rbt.no > RBT - National Office for Research Documentation, Academic and Professional > Libraries, Norway > telephone +47 22 43 08 80 > telefax +47 22 56 09 81 > ************"It's grim up north"*********** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From holtsm at blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Thu Feb 15 12:39:37 1996 From: holtsm at blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (E. Holtsmark) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: session manager on web server .. In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960215071836.28400B-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960215113820.87473A-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu> On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Roy Tennant wrote: > Please COPY and PASTE URLs, don't type them. I couldn't have said it better myself. _____________________________________________________________ Eva Holtsmark School of Library & Information Science, MA candidate (May 1996) The University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 52242 eva-holtsmark@uiowa.edu _____________________________________________________________ From ian.winship at unn.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 09:58:32 1996 From: ian.winship at unn.ac.uk (Ian Winship, Univ Northumbria Info Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Searching your Web pages Message-ID: <960215145832.20206624@fawdon.unn.ac.uk> If there is a facility to search the text of your institution's Web pages I would be pleased to know what search engine is used and where the software, or further details of it, can be found. Many thanks ========================================================================== Ian Winship Information Services Dept. | e-mail: ian.winship@unn.ac.uk University of Northumbria at Newcastle | phone: 0191 227 4132 City Campus Library | fax: 0191 227 4563 Newcastle upon Tyne | NE1 8ST | UK | =========================================================================== From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Feb 15 13:13:36 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Searching your Web pages Message-ID: <ad49244a0f021004d539@[130.191.149.134]> There are many free search programs "out there." Here is one we are using that I am sending as an attachment. You need only modify the locations that it searches to yours. You will also need to have these kinds of privileges available on your server. Here is one cgi repository which I couldn't get to: http://www.wolfenet.com/~rniles/cgi.html and there are others. >If there is a facility to search the text of your institution's Web pages I >would be pleased to know what search engine is used and where the software, or >further details of it, can be found. -------------- next part -------------- <HTML><HEAD> <TITLE>This is a title</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FORM METHOD="GET" ACTION="http://www.sdsu.edu/cgi-bin/wrapper"> <P>Enter what you want to search for: <INPUT TYPE="TEXT" SIZE=40 NAME="words"> </P> <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="config" VALUE="sdsu"> <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="limit" VALUE="20"> <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="subset" VALUE="edweb.sdsu.edu/edfirst"> <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="and" VALUE="true"> <INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" VALUE="Search"> </FORM> </BODY> </HTML> -------------- next part -------------- Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://edweb.sdsu.edu/edfirst/edfirst.html Please remember to support the School/Library Protection Fund -- donate $1 on your California Tax Return. From iai at neosoft.com Thu Feb 15 15:01:10 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Reeling in Netscape Message-ID: <199602152001.OAA17603@sam.neosoft.com> >Hello all, > >Besides the kiosk feature in Netscape, are there any other tricks, bells >and/or whistles to configuring a browser to access only a set cadre of >url's? ... One suggestion, and I haven't field-tested it yet: Create a hosts file with the desired sites and disable DNS. This won't stop someone who knows the IP numbers, but it will slow them down. Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From iai at neosoft.com Thu Feb 15 15:24:50 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Searching your Web pages Message-ID: <199602152024.OAA19747@sam.neosoft.com> >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:20:29 -0800 >Errors-To: listchek@library.berkeley.edu >Reply-To: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu >Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) >To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> >Subject: Re: Searching your Web pages >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-UIDL: 824413420.022 > > > >--========================_20447205==_ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >There are many free search programs "out there." Here is one we are using >that I am sending as an attachment. You need only modify the locations >that it searches to yours. You will also need to have these kinds of >privileges available on your server. > >Here is one cgi repository which I couldn't get to: >http://www.wolfenet.com/~rniles/cgi.html and there are others. > >>If there is a facility to search the text of your institution's Web pages I >>would be pleased to know what search engine is used and where the software, or >>further details of it, can be found. These solutions are fine if you have just a few pages and need an internal search capability, but if you are putting substantive collections of information on-line at your Web site you really should consider a WAIS or Z39.50 compliant search capability. This will allow your collection to be inter-searched with other, similar or related collections at other sites. Ask yourself, will users of this search engine be interested in information from other sites at the same time? Often the answer is yes. For standards-compliant freeware I suggest freeWAIS-sf from http://ls6-www.informatik.uni-dortmund.de/freeWAIS-sf or Isite from http://vinca.cnidr.org/software/Isite/Isite.html (both URLs copied, not typed!). Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From U58538 at UICVM.BITNET Thu Feb 15 15:59:02 1996 From: U58538 at UICVM.BITNET (Lois Ann Gregory-Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Telecommunications Act of 1996 Message-ID: <ALASTAFF%96021312102292@UICVM.UIC.EDU> I thought Council would be interested in receiving this information from Judy Krug, director, ALA Office for Intellectual Freedom. Lois Ann Gregory-Wood, Council Secretariat American Library Association 50 East Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 OFC: 312-280-3204 or 1-800-545-2433, ext. 3204 FAX: 312-944-3897 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Please feel free to redistribute the following message. In response to numerous inquiries, we are pleased to tell you that the American Library Association is preparing to challenged the decency provisions of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. ALA will be lead plaintiff. Co-plaintiffs are being assembled, but the list is not yet confirmed. ALA will only be challenging the decency provisions of the legislation. We will keep you informed as the case develops. Judith F. Krug Director, Office for Intellectual Freedom Peter Graham psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax (908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html> From hwhite at ccs.neu.edu Thu Feb 15 17:05:43 1996 From: hwhite at ccs.neu.edu (Howard White) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems Message-ID: <v02130500ad4918a05949@[155.33.211.121]> >Howard White <hwhite@ccs.neu.edu> >|Subjects of the experiment - one billion humans >|Censorship solution providers - the best vendors of the Unitied States & >Europe >|The client - the Government of the People's Republic of China > Just following up. Sorry for the cross post from another list (Cyberpunkers). WSJ, 15 February 1996: China Tells Internet Users To Register With Police Beijing (AP) - China ordered all users of the Internet and other international computer networks to register with the police, as part of an effort to tighten control over information. The order came in a circular issued by the Ministry of Public Security, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency. Xinhua didn't give a date by which current users must register but said new users and those switching or terminating services must inform police within 30 days. It was unclear how foreigners would be affected. The rules haven't been published in detail, but previous Xinhua reports warned network users not to harm national security, reveal state secrets or disseminate pornography. China embarked on a broad crackdown on Internet users and other sources of information potentially harmful to government interests in December. The Ministry of Post Telecommunications was made the sole provider of channels connecting Chinese computer users with international networks. ----- Financial Times, 15 February, 1996 Cyberlaws [Editorial] Communication *sans frontieres*. To the Internet's fans that is the essence of its appeal. But to anyone putting information on the Internet's World Wide Web, its global nature is the cause of a growing headache: how to uphold intellectual property rights to the rivers of information pouring over its wires. Online computer systems such as the Net are among the fastest growing ways to distribute information -- music and pictures as well as words and numbers. But existing copyright laws deal inadequately with digital transmission. Regulation is complicated by the way that information downloaded in one country can have originated almost anywhere in the world. The $35bn-a-year music industry now believes that digital copyright abuse is a big future threat to its revenues. The century-old Berne convention on copyright and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade represent a degree of international agreement on the treatment of such issues. However, many countries are not signatories, while standards of intellectual property protection vary widely among those which have signed. Moreover, there are technological problems in enforcing agreements even where they exist. At present, it is often difficult to identify both those who have accessed information, and those who have entered it on the Net. Given that problem, some groups want companies providing Internet access to be responsible for upholding rules, rather than users or publishers. But this is highly unattractive: service providers will be unaware of much on the Net. The currently imperfect state of protection is one reason why much cyberinformation is junk, of value to almost nobody, deposited partly to stir up interest in paidfor services beyond the Net. However, new ways to restrict access to parts of the Net, and to charge for subscriptions to that information, may address that shortcoming. Companies are also working on "electronic tags" which will show whether information is passed to unauthorised users. If such technological developments bear fruit, the whole game may change. The mainstay of the Internet may no longer be information already published in another medium. Instead, publishers could put material of real value on the Net, knowing they would be paid. Other media may be squeezed as the Internet assumes some of their role. In this respect, copyright problems are a symptom of the Internet's immaturity, rather than a sign that electronic sophistication has made regulation impossible. The Net itself is a creation of technology, not policy, and the solutions to this problem are more likely to be technological than legal. But solutions must be found if the Net is to realise its enormous commercial potential. ----- FT has a front page article on what China may do if the US imposes sanctions for copyright violations. It includes overtures by the Chinese to Britain to reap the benefits of shutting down US businesses in retaliation. Noting the well-oiled handover of Hong Kong to China as an example of the mutual benefits of imperialist most- favored status, and sharing tips and tricks of crackdown on civil disorder. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard White, PC Tech Coor., Northeastern University <a href=http://155.33.211.90/>The Cyberspace Identity Portal</a> From Jennie.McKee at directory.Reed.EDU Thu Feb 15 17:08:20 1996 From: Jennie.McKee at directory.Reed.EDU (Jennie McKee) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Position - DIRECTOR OF NETWORK INFORMATION. PORTALS Message-ID: <848952@isis.Reed.EDU> forwarded by request - Jennie McKee > > DIRECTOR OF NETWORK INFORMATION. PORTALS (Portland Area Library > System), seeks a Director of Network Information. PORTALS is an > innovative, growing information network created by the academic > institutions in the Portland, Oregon metropolitan area, the > Multnomah County Library, and the Oregon Historical Society. It is > headquartered at Portland State University. The Director of Network > Information will oversee the daily operations of PORTALS > information services, develop new electronic information services, > manage PORTALS Web site, manage PORTALS databases, and collaborate > with faculty and students in applying information delivered by the > network. The Director of Network Information will demonstrate > extensive experience in network administration, reference > librarianship, Web site administration, database management, > information product development, and Internet use and applications. > Required Qualification: M.L.S. from ALA-accredited program. > Preferred Qualifications: Experience in reference librarianship. > Undergraduate degree in Fine Arts, Graphic Arts, Photography, > Television, or Cinematography. Minimum three years experience in > development of electronic information products in a networked > environment, particularly in an academic setting. Extensive > demonstrable experience in design of home pages. Excellent > knowledge of HTML. Knowledge of Unix based systems. Comprehensive, > demonstrable knowledge of telecommunications technology. Software > product development experience highly desirable. Experience in > market research highly desirable. Excellent interpersonal skills. > Starting salary range: $37,368. Salary negotiable based on > experience and qualifications. Excellent benefits package. Please > send letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses, and > telephone numbers of three references to: Howard F. McGinn, > Executive Director, PORTALS, P.O. Box 1151, Portland, OR. 97207- > 1151. Applications must be postmarked by March 31, 1996. Call 503- > 725-5794 or write for a complete job description. Portland State > University is an AA/EEO Employer. > From dkirk at wimsey.com Thu Feb 15 18:01:00 1996 From: dkirk at wimsey.com (Denis F. kirk) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems Message-ID: <m0tnCgP-000TxEC@marlowe.wimsey.com> This Subject: "Surfwatch and other Internet rating systems" is incorrect and a bit misleading. Surfwatch is the name of a commercial Internet filter program and has nothing to do with Internet Rating. The rating organization is SAFESURF and there WEB site is; http://www.safesurf.com/ _____________________________________ Denis F. Kirk Hyper Technologies Inc. "Public Access Computer Specialists" 1-800-663-8381 (604) 945-4233 Fax: (604) 464-8680 _____________________________________ From libernet at midtown.net Thu Feb 15 18:43:47 1996 From: libernet at midtown.net (scharles) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough Message-ID: <9602152343.AA16443@library.berkeley.edu> Dr. Wagers: What does "propeller head" mean? Scott Charles At 12:53 PM 2/13/96 -0800, you wrote: > If you are so frightened of _flaming_ and _being dumped on_, maybe >you shouldn't participate. Tell me, just what is _appropriate_ for this >list? Does it have to be propeller head stuff only? From libernet at midtown.net Thu Feb 15 18:54:35 1996 From: libernet at midtown.net (scharles) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the net: enough Message-ID: <9602152354.AA12318@library.berkeley.edu> Dr. Wagers: AND to top it off he called you Bubba!!! ScottC At 06:04 PM 2/13/96 -0800, you wrote: > In the spirit of correction, why do you rip me for using a convention >and demean my suggestions, then finish with a smiley???? > >R. Wagers > >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: >> Bubba From jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu Thu Feb 15 20:01:11 1996 From: jbfink at holychao.cas.muohio.edu (John Adder Fink) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the Message-ID: <199602160101.UAA23251@holychao.cas.muohio.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1013 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960215/8a5f9070/attachment.bat From iai at neosoft.com Fri Feb 16 00:57:16 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:20 2005 Subject: Quality information, was Re: Surfwatch... Message-ID: <199602160557.XAA06562@sam.neosoft.com> >>Howard White <hwhite@ccs.neu.edu> >>... > Financial Times, 15 February, 1996 > > Cyberlaws [Editorial] >... > The currently imperfect state of protection is one reason > why much cyberinformation is junk, of value to almost > nobody, deposited partly to stir up interest in paidfor > services beyond the Net. However, new ways to restrict > access to parts of the Net, and to charge for subscriptions > to that information, may address that shortcoming. > ... Sorry if this sounds like a flame, but this editorial hit one of my hot-buttons... It seems to me that the information providers who are doing well on the Net have found ways to make money without charging users for information (Yahoo, InfoSeek, etc.) Others (libraries, museums) are providing valuable content without the intent of making a profit. The currently available "junk" includes a wide spectrum of useful information, from the Mona Lisa to fairly current stock prices. I think the greatest potential for improvement of the Internet lies in more networked access to libraries and archives who own the copyrights to their materials or whose materials are in the public domain. Another growth area is the provision of desirable, quality information as a means of selling advertising space. Which has been a more successful business model, "free" broadcast television or pay-per-view? Commercial copyrighted pay-per-view content is all well and good, and I'm sure that more of it is coming to the Internet. But the Internet was built on open access to information, it has grown phenomenally with minimal pay-per-view content, and it shows every sign of continued growth despite this "shortcoming". Perhaps the Financial Times editors are just mad because they aren't making enough money off the Net, or perhaps they can't see the value of information that doesn't cost the user money. Someone should sell them a clue. Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Feb 17 09:41:39 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:21 2005 Subject: rating systems faq Message-ID: <v0153050bad4b9631c889@[204.97.113.35]> Prentiss wrote... >I used the phrase "Surfwatch and other Internet ratings systems" based >on the typology of the Internet Parental Control FAQ: > > http://www.vtw.org/pubs/ipcfaq > >The IPCFAQ distinguishes between several kinds of proposed technological >solutions to the problem: > > Proof of age/shielding systems > Proprietary environments > Phrase detection systems > Third party ratings systems > >Under this typology, both Surfwatch and SafeSurf are "rating systems". >There are many others. Please see the IPCFAQ for details. I finally got off my duff and looked at this document. Interestingly, I know both authors, one of whom now lives down the street because a couple of years ago we introduced him to his future wife. (And you thought gay people only recruited to the GAY lifestyle... whoops! Wrong thread!) Anyway, I just wrote the authors (however silly that felt, since I could walk down the block and ring a doorbell) and said I thought the FAQ was a good start but has some limitations. One BIG limitation is that it only addresses "parental" issues--there is no discussion of the problem of the public environment--which is our, WEB4LIB's, concern, as well as that of the larger library community. (Another problem, which I did not address to them, was that I think it is a bit oblique. I would prefer something written simply, with very clear examples.) I don't disagree that Surfwatch is a rating system--it certainly is. I'm just not sure that the typology established by these authors (however net-savvy they are, and I've known them a while) can't stand some review and reorganization. What I am thinking is that now that my v-server is alive (yes! as of yesterday... However--the lights are on but nobody's home!), I'm long-overdue for an overhaul of the Freedom Page. I think a strong, online discussion of these filtering pogroms... ah, I mean programs ;) such as Surfnot and Cybercensor ;) plus other censoring activities FROM A LIBRARIAN'S PERSPECTIVE is overdue... (If one exists,my apologies...) and the ability to add input from others would be essential, at first from a mailto and then from forms, which I'll have the freedom to do from my little turf. off to shovel... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) From ace at Opus1.COM Sun Feb 18 00:08:00 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:22 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the Message-ID: <01I1C374SQS2DDYG88@Opus1.COM> I saw some of those propeller head beanies at a store here in Tucson on Congress St called Yikes!. It has novelties, *marbles* (some collectors), and had those very same beanies. I'm, thinking "Beanie and Cecil", maybe those chimp movies with Dean Smith, maybe Dobie Gillis? Maybe Flubber? elisabeth roche ace@opus1.com At 05:13 PM 2/15/96 -0800, John Adder Fink wrote: >> >> Dr. Wagers: >> >> What does "propeller head" mean? >> >> Scott Charles > >Though it is *extremely* off topic (prolly), I'll assume that your >request for information is genuine and that you don't really know what a >propeller head is. > >In the fifties (at least, I always associated them with the fifties; but >then again, I'm only twenty-two years old) a certain novelty item (like >hula hoops, perhaps, but less long-lived) enjoyed a vogue. This item was >a little beanie or small hat, not unlike a yarmulke, that had a propeller >sticking out of it, at the top, so as to make the wearer resemble a >helicopter, albeit with a much reduced blade span. Like pocket >protectors and slide rulers, the propeller beanie has been associated >with members of the "geek" class, computer people, etc. Hence, >"propeller head". > >If anyone knows where to actually buy a propeller head in this day and >age, drop me a line. I just may start wearing one again. Hoo dogies. > >-- john f, miami university library systems > From ace at Opus1.COM Sun Feb 18 00:10:31 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:22 2005 Subject: Telecom bill discussion / censorship / children on the Message-ID: <01I1C3AA2FG2DDYG8E@Opus1.COM> Sorry, I think I forgot to say Yikes! novelty store is in Tucson Arizona on Congress Street. And I have no personal relationship with this store, I did buy some marbles there. Really nice ones!.. steeleys.. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! At 03:45 PM 2/15/96 -0800, scharles wrote: >Dr. Wagers: > >What does "propeller head" mean? > >Scott Charles > >At 12:53 PM 2/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >> If you are so frightened of _flaming_ and _being dumped on_, maybe >>you shouldn't participate. Tell me, just what is _appropriate_ for this >>list? Does it have to be propeller head stuff only? > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Feb 18 21:35:19 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:24 2005 Subject: search engine comparison Message-ID: <v01530516ad4d8eee219a@[204.97.113.47]> >In performing a side by side comparison of a single directory and >limiting the index to only .html files I found swish returned about 12% >fewer hits than WAISQ. I first noticed this on a larger scale across our >whole website, but wanted to control the index to make sure I wasn't >comparing apples and oranges. >Has anyone else had similar or differing results when swish is compared >to wais or glimpse? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > John Gladstone /jgladsto@nal.usda.gov Wouldn't we also need more information, such as how you had configured the two search engines? I'm very new at this stuff,but I'm sitting here editing config.h right now (for swish) and have noted that there is considerable flexibiilty in how you set stopwords, length of allowable words, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.bluehighways.com/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Mon Feb 19 06:51:18 1996 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: February issue of D-Lib Magazine [Digital Libraries] (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960219055026.22814D-100000@moondog.usask.ca> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 FEB 1996 06:50:27 GMT From: Rhonda Arnold <reba@CNRI.Reston.VA.US> Newgroups: comp.infosystems.www.announce Subject: February issue of D-Lib Magazine [Digital Libraries] The February issue of D-Lib Magazine is now available at <URL:http://www.dlib.org/>. This month, we are featuring stories on user research and design issues; naming; digital scanning and preservation; pricing models; and two SUNSites - the first at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the most recent at University of California, Berkeley. D-Lib is sponsored by ARPA on behalf of the Information Infrastructure Technology and Applications (IITA) Working Group of the High Performance Computing and Communications (HPCC) program. William Y. Arms, Chair Amy Friedlander, Editor, D-Lib Magazine From NEMETHM at servms.fiu.edu Mon Feb 19 11:11:51 1996 From: NEMETHM at servms.fiu.edu (MAYRA NEMETH) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: Job Opportunity Message-ID: <960219111151.20401363@servms.fiu.edu> ************************************************************ SEARCH EXTENDED ************************************************************* ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR TECHNOLOGY SERVICES Florida International University Libraries invite applications and nominations for the new position of Assistant Director for Technology Services. The University is a multicampus, doctoral granting institution serving a diverse community of approximately 28,000 students. Library services are offered on two campuses through a single library organization. The University Park Library is currently undergoing a 33 million dollar expansion and renovation project. The libraries participate in a NOTIS consortium consisting of libraries from the 10 state universities with bibliographic computer services centralized at the Florida Center for Library Automation and in numerous local and national organizations including the Southeast Florida Library Network (SEFLIN). The Assistant Director for Technology Services reports to the Director, University Libraries, and will play a key role as a member of the management team. Responsibilities include: Provides strong leadership and direction in planning, enhancing, and implementing systems and cataloging operations. Contributes to leadership and vision in planning for current and future technologies in an environment consisting of a variety of network and stand-alone operating systems including Novell, Pathworks, Unix, Linux, DOS, Windows, Macintosh, and XWindows. Exercises line supervision of the Systems and Cataloging Departments at the University Park Library. The Cataloging Department consists of a department head, 3 catalogers and 11 support staff. The Systems Department includes a department head and 2 support staff. Indirect responsibility for systems and cataloging activities at the North Campus. Contributes to leadership efforts in the development of overall library policy and procedures. Acts as liaison to organizations with which the libraries have significant technological relationships. Encourages the development and sharing of staff talents on both campuses. Qualifications: Applicants must have an MLS from an ALA accredited school; nine years of progressively more responsible professional experience; increasing supervisory responsibility; an understanding of the basic principles of LANs, WANs, TCP/IP, and emerging technological innovations in support of all library service functions; and familiarity with cataloging issues and technologies. Demonstrated leadership, communication, and organizational skills are essential. Also desired are an advanced degree in an information technology discipline; cataloging experience; and direct systems experience in an academic library. Rank and Salary: Assistant Director and University Librarian, $45,000-$52,000 depending on qualifications and experience. Benefits: As a member of the State University System of Florida, FIU offers competitive health and insurance options, retirement plans including TIAA/CREF, 22 vacation days and 13 days of sick leave. Send resume and cover letter, including the names, addresses, phone and fax numbers, and e-mail addresses (if available) of three references to: Sherry Carrillo, Chair, Search and Screen Committee, University Park Library, Florida International University, Miami FL 33199; phone: (305) 348-2463; Fax: 348-3408. The deadline for applications and nominations is April 18, 1996. The desired starting date for the position is negotiable after May 26, 1996. The State University System of Florida An Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action Employer Mayra F. Nemeth Phone:(305)348-3009 Head, Audiovisual Library SUNCOM:441-3009 Florida International University FAX:(305)221-0372 Tamiami Trail - Miami, FL 33199 nemethm@servms.fiu.edu From LAURENCE at ACC.FAU.EDU Mon Feb 19 10:40:22 1996 From: LAURENCE at ACC.FAU.EDU (Helen Laurence) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: ill forms summary Message-ID: <01I1E9UPKURMAC32TB@acc.fau.edu> I received a request to summarize responses for the list, so here goes: My question was how others are handling the issue of userid validation for electronic ILL requests. The discussion strayed from that specific question to the larger issue of whether ILL depts. do in fact or should in fact validate userids on electronic ILL requests. From: wroldfie@library.uwaterloo.ca (William Oldfield) The security offered by the .htaccess file stops the world from using our ILL service. If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and the electronic submission method is no different. I believe our ILL Department checks the email address, does a finger on the student or checks our patron database to verify the borrower information. >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > >> Helen... >> >> At UW we simply restrict access to the form and the cgi script to computers >> in the UW domain. Using the .htaccess file for this purpose means that >> only users within your institution can submit ILL requests. >> >> It sure beats setting up individual user authentication. > >If I'm interpreting this right this means that non-affiliated >users from the community need only come into the library to order ILL >materials - as long as they are using a machine with the UW domain. Is >this correct? Do you feel that this is not much of a "problem" and that >it's cheaper or more efficient in the long run than is setting up user >authentication? > >Jerilyn Veldof >University of Arizona Library > >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, William Oldfield wrote: > >> If a person comes into the Library and uses our Electronic form (which we >> prefer) or fills out a paper ILL request, they must be valid users or our >> ILL departemnt does not fill the order. I am sure that any ILL department >> checks to see if a borrower is a valid user before working on the order and >> the electronic submission method is no different. > >I wouldn't be so sure - I've worked in (unnamed) libraries where the ILL >department didn't check every request for patron eligibility, because the >technology made it so much of a hassle. also, there are some libraries where the sheer volume of ILL is so much that a solution requiring the manual checking of each form would be impossible. One where I've worked at used student ID numbers to automate this procedure. The ILL department existed primarily to work on the validity of the bibliographic verification--not the patron. I can see where the .h* restriction might work for a small place lookign for a low-cost entry-level solution... but another point: it also means ILL can't be done from remote sites (e.g. home)--right? If I log in from interactive.net (or... yay! soon enough! bluehighways.com), the machine won't recognize me. Karen, carefully not responding to the "let's not have a thread" thread, believing threads die a natural death if you LET them... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@intac.com * kgs@interactive.net * http://www.intac.com/~kgs/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Abortion is legal and can be obtained throughout the U.S. via surgical procedures, and where accessible, by use of the drug RU482. See your doctor or local Planned Parenthood clinic. Please copy this information to your sig file or WWW page. Who has time to do this? We recieve at least 100 requests a day and do not check to see if they're all "valid" users. We are too backlogged (with the addition of our online indexes and cancellations of journals and no increase in ILL budget for staff). Of course, if they request a book loan they won't be able to check the item out of the Library - but as of now all a person has to do is check the "student" box and the request goes through. This is somewhat acceptable in an offline environment when a patron has to come into the library and ask about ILL. We can then tell them about our policy and tell non-affiliated people to go to the public library. But in an electronic environment when they only need to sit down at the computer and find "Interlibrary Loan" as an option on our OPAC a patron can order away. Because of this a requester must first enter their name and then their ID barcode number which is checked against the system. Jerilyn Veldof University of Arizona From: Bill King <billking@mh1.lbl.gov> We just crank out a simple text file from the database. Then the Perl script looks for the employee ID. The file is just some basic fields from the employee database, name, ID, phone number, Mail Stop, etc. The script just runs through the file line by line. Even with 5K+ lines, it's pretty fast. If the ID number isn't found then the user can enter another number or find out why they aren't in the database. I made mine "interactive" so that I could check for valid data in a number of fields. Bill King billking@mh1.lbl.gov Energy & Environment/Building Technologies Program Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA 94720 (510) 486-4686 http://eande.lbl.gov/BTP/BTP.html MS - 90/3111 --------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Helen, One partial solution is placing your ILL form in a directory accessable only to clients on your campus. This would not take care of all the ID checking but would limit request to folks on your campus. Ours is open to the world & ILL hasn't had many if any non-LSU requests. David P.S. Also, this means clients using Internet providers to access the form would be excluded (must be on campus to access the form). ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ > We have just linked our ILL request forms to our library home page. > The only real issue for us was how to limit the service > to patrons affiliated with the University. Linking to the > circulation database of valid library card numbers was thought to be > too problematic. We finally decided to "require" that a valid ID > number be submitted on the form and check it manually the same way > ILL requests on paper are done. This seems a rather "low-tech" > solution considering the context. How are others dealing with this? If you mean problematic technically, it shouldn't have to be. A Unix command 'look' performs a binary search on a sorted file. We use it to provide access to restricted citation databases, using an extraction of the patron file in HOLLIS. The extraction is likely the most difficult part of the process. We just extract on the mainframe and FTP the data to our UNIX box- a real-time lookup is *definately* problematic, and overkill, in my opinion. Good luck, Joachim ------------------------- Joachim Martin jmartin@harvard.edu Systems Librarian http://sirin.harvard.edu/~jmartin Office for Information Systems Harvard University Library -------------------------- ----- End forwarded message From millarj at lib.muohio.edu Mon Feb 19 11:53:35 1996 From: millarj at lib.muohio.edu (John Millard) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: Searching your pages... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960219113413.8300A-100000@miamilink.lib.muohio.edu> Several people have requested the perl script I mentioned last week. To save bandwidth, I've added the script to my webpage at url: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/~millarj/scripts/ In addition, some have asked how it differs from wwwwais which is often used as a swish gateway. I started out with wwwwais, but I needed to be able to search specific html tags (like comments). wwwwais wouldn't let me do that even though Swish supports it on the command line. Since I didn't know c, I decided to rewrite the gateway in Perl and include that functionality. Feel free to use, modify, and enhance as you see fit. It was written mostly on a sleepless weekend, so it's far from perfect. With that disclaimer, Enjoy! John :o:-------------------------------------------------------------:o: : : John Millard : : :o: Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian :o: : : Miami University : : :o: Oxford, OH :o: : :-------------------------------------------------------------: : :o: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/~millarj/ :o: ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ From lib40 at Bayou.UH.EDU Mon Feb 19 17:54:09 1996 From: lib40 at Bayou.UH.EDU (jose aguinaga) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: Position Announcement-Houston, TX (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960219165314.11705C-100000@Bayou.UH.EDU> This message is being sent to several listservs. Apologies for any duplications. UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON LIBRARIES POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT: Systems Librarian Responsibilities: The University of Houston Libraries provide patrons and staff with access to state-of-the-art computing and networking technologies. The Libraries' Electronic Publications Center provides access to over 70 local and Internet-accessible electronic information resources on over 90 networked workstations. UMI page-image CD-ROM products are available on 16 additional workstations, and stand-alone CD-ROM products are used on two workstations. Additional CD-ROM resources are available in the Libraries' branches. A public microcomputer lab offers over 20 workstations for general use. The Libraries have their own World-Wide Web and Gopher servers, publish two electronic journals on the Internet, and run tne PACS-L discussion list. The Libraries use a UNIX-based INNOPAC integrated library system. Over 180 networked staff workstations provide access to application software, INNOPAC, library vendor systems, and EPC and Internet resources. The Systems Librarian reports to the Head of Systems and supports all computer and network systems in the Libraries. Supported operating systems include AIX, Linux, Macintosh OS, MS DOS, MS Windows, Novell NetWare, and Windows NT. IPX and TCP/IP protocols are used on a switched 10BASE-T Ethernet LAN. Requirements: Requires an ALA-accredited Masters degree; excellent analytical and communications skills; a strong commitment to responsive and innovative service; the ability to work effectively in a demanding and changing environment; academic training in information technology; and a strong desire to master new technologies and stay current. Salary & Benefits: $26,000. Comprehensive benefits package; choice of retirement programs, including TIAA/CREF; tax-deferred annuity program available; release time to take a class up to 3 hrs/week; no state or local income tax. Library Information: The Libraries are a member of the Association of Research Libraries, hold over 1.8 million volumes, and have 46 professional and 170 support staff. The University of Houston is a Carnegie Research II university. Application Deadline: Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. Send letter of application, names of 3 references, and resume to Jose Aguinaga, Library Personnel Coordinator, University of Houston Libraries, Houston, Texas 77204-2091. The University of Houston is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. Minorities, women, veterans and persons with disabilities are encouraged to apply. 2/96 From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Feb 19 22:04:19 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:25 2005 Subject: Put on a happy face! Message-ID: <v01530503ad4ee7233084@[204.97.113.27]> O.k., it's been a long winter. Snow. Floods. Censorship. Budget cuts. Lay-offs. What's a net-surfing librarian gonna do? CHEER UP! For my next American Libraries column, I've been collecting tidbits of Good Things related to libraries and the 'net. Know of a book, CD-ROM or URL you recently discovered that will bring strength and solace to your librarian peers? Did you get a grant, are you making progress on an awarded grant, or did a kind benefactor help you acquire an Internet-related resource? Did you put on a net-related program that wowed the trustees, the mayor... or the kid next door? Have a good success story? I even have a *marriage story* to share! Email me at kgs@bluehighways.com with your cheerer-uppers. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.bluehighways.com/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) From J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 05:36:00 1996 From: J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Put on a happy face! In-Reply-To: <v01530503ad4ee7233084@[204.97.113.27]> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960220102905.227P-100000@weeble.lut.ac.uk> On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > For my next American Libraries column, I've been collecting tidbits of Good > Things related to libraries and the 'net. Know of a book, CD-ROM or URL > you recently discovered that will bring strength and solace to your > librarian peers? I don't know whether this is appropriate for the US librarians reading your column, but my Good Thing(tm) is that I discovered a CD-ROM yesterday that is a joy to network. Yes, you read that right, a _joy_ to network. Its the Guardian Online (a UK newspaper). Why is it a joy? Simple; the client software runs straight off the CD-ROM so no need to install a whole bunch of stuff on our already overfull hard discs, it runs in a reasonable amount of conventional memory, doesn't require lots of temporary files to be written to a local hard disc our machines don't have, is fast, has a nice user interface, has interesting content and doesn't require lots of secret passwords and hidden files to be dropped liberally over our Novell server. One day all CD-ROMs will be made this way. Now the users better like it or ELSE... :-) Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 06:14:50 1996 From: b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk (Brian Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Put on a happy face! Message-ID: <199602201119.LAA07986@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:44:36 -0800 > Reply-to: J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk > From: Jon Knight <J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: Put on a happy face! > On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > > For my next American Libraries column, I've been collecting tidbits of Good > > Things related to libraries and the 'net. Know of a book, CD-ROM or URL > > you recently discovered that will bring strength and solace to your > > librarian peers? > > I don't know whether this is appropriate for the US librarians reading > your column, but my Good Thing(tm) is that I discovered a CD-ROM yesterday > that is a joy to network. Yes, you read that right, a _joy_ to network. > Its the Guardian Online (a UK newspaper). Why is it a joy? Simple; the > client software runs straight off the CD-ROM so no need to install a whole > bunch of stuff on our already overfull hard discs, it runs in a reasonable Ah, Jon, but isn't that the wrong model. Shouldn't the CD ROM contain the data, which is independent of the user interface. Although the user interface might look wonderful today, how long will it be before it dates? Brian -------------------------------------------------- Brian Kelly Netskills - see http://www.netskills.ac.uk/ Computing Service University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne B.Kelly@newcastle.ac.uk NE1 7RU 0191 222 5002 From J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 08:41:20 1996 From: J.P.Knight at lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Put on a happy face! In-Reply-To: <199602201119.LAA07986@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960220133923.227U-100000@weeble.lut.ac.uk> On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Brian Kelly wrote: > > I don't know whether this is appropriate for the US librarians reading > > your column, but my Good Thing(tm) is that I discovered a CD-ROM yesterday > > that is a joy to network. Yes, you read that right, a _joy_ to network. > > Its the Guardian Online (a UK newspaper). Why is it a joy? Simple; the > > client software runs straight off the CD-ROM so no need to install a whole > > bunch of stuff on our already overfull hard discs, it runs in a reasonable > > Ah, Jon, but isn't that the wrong model. Shouldn't the CD ROM > contain the data, which is independent of the user interface. > Although the user interface might look wonderful today, > how long will it be before it dates? I agree completely; I'd _really_ love it if the CD-ROMs just held the raw data and we were free to index it ourselves, supply our own clients, etc, etc. However, back in the Real World (:-) ), things just aren't like that and so its just nice to find a CD-ROM that actually has software that works well over the network first time. We must be thankful for small mercies! :-) Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From engwall at uthscsa.edu Tue Feb 20 10:40:34 1996 From: engwall at uthscsa.edu (Keith Engwall) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your pages... Message-ID: <v01530500ad4f998cb0fd@[129.111.13.241]> Say, have you checked the systems at your library for the Concept Virus (the lovely little Word Macro Virus that saves things as templates)? If so, what did you use? I spent a lovely weekend running the MS Word Virus Protection Tool on some of our systems here, only it's got a few hitches. Systems that have 600+ files on them seem to take at least 30 minutes PER 100 files just to *find* the files to check. Then it's another hour or two of clicking the "Yes" button to verify that you want to turn an infected template into an uninfected document. And, of course, if it runs into a snag you get an error "String Too Long" and it halts... and you have to move the file to the desktop and start the whole thing over again (yes, this is on the Mac... I haven't tried it on a PC yet). Practically our whole staff was infected. If you have dealt with this, and have found a more efficient method of dealing with this beasty, I'd appreciate hearing about it. If you haven't dealt with it yet, you probably want to do so... the Microsoft Macro Virus Protection Tool can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/msoffice (if anyone has a more specific URL, please post it). Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Engwall "Father can you save me, I been feelin' pretty sick. Systems Librarian Gotta ball and chain around my legs and an albatross Briscoe Library around my neck. Even though I wrote the script, I UTHSCSA disavow every part. I need the sweet fire of your engwall@uthscsa.edu love blowing through this hole in my heart." - VOL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Tue Feb 20 10:54:22 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Cool Colormaker Page Message-ID: <ad4f9e0a000210043b16@[130.191.149.134]> The following site by Sam Choukri has a simple, easy process for choosing background colors, text, and link colors that would be useful for quickly designing color enhanced web pages or for HTML training: >http://www.missouri.edu/~c588349/colormaker.html Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://edweb.sdsu.edu/edfirst/edfirst.html Please remember to support the School/Library Protection Fund -- donate $1 on your California Tax Return. From iai at neosoft.com Tue Feb 20 12:41:23 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages Message-ID: <199602201741.LAA24038@sam.neosoft.com> >Re: Searching your web pages > >We (http://www.artic.edu) are using a program called Excite, >but we are currently reconfiguring it and it is currently offline. >It is very easy to install and updates itself regularly, in cron. > >Here is a small quote from the excite web page (http://www.excite.com/): > >Excite is a new generation of web navigation software from Architext. It >gives your web server the same advanced search capabilities used on >Netscape, HotWired, Sega and other hot web sites. All in a high-performance >package that's incredibly easy to install and maintain. Excite seems to have everything a librarian could want... except standards compliance.* If you build a database and connect it to the Web without also offering Z39.50 compliant access, you close the door on the possibility of searching your collection and other similar collections simultaneously with a single query. I would think that this would be especially important to art collections since the works of any artist, period, style, etc. are likely to be dispersed among several collections. In order for the Internet to reach it's potential as an information resource, it is essential that every serious knowledge collection comply with the Z39.50 standard. Programers are endlessly inventive when it come to search engines and user interfaces, and marketers will try to sell you anything (especially if it is proprietary), but it is the responsibility of librarians and other collection managers to insist on standards compliance. We are experiencing the same kind of problems today with Internet databases that we had 20 years ago with local library automation systems. We demanded MARC compliance then and we should demand Z39.50 compliance now. There is nothing about the Excite search engine that would prevent them from adding Z39.50 compliance, as far as I can tell. I am copying this message to Architext in order to encourage them to do so. * Ok, many librarians also want structured fields of data in order to support nice features like date range searching, author/artist searching, et cetera. Excite looks like a good tool for indexing many kinds of web sites, but perhaps not for libraries and other knowledge collections. >Manuel A. Hernandez Network Administrator >mhernandez@artic.edu Art Institute of Chicago >(312) 629-6552 111 S. Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60603 >irc: teeze #art http://www.artic.edu/~mhernand Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From LB0DKM5%WADPT5 at ADMIN.WMICH.EDU Tue Feb 20 13:11:00 1996 From: LB0DKM5%WADPT5 at ADMIN.WMICH.EDU (dan marmion) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages In-Reply-To: The letter of Tuesday, 20 February 1996 12:52pm ET Message-ID: <9602201816.AA05083@library.berkeley.edu> iai@neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) said: > >In order for the Internet to reach it's potential as an information >resource, it is essential that every serious knowledge collection comply >with the Z39.50 standard. ..... >We are experiencing the same kind of problems today with Internet databases >that we had 20 years ago with local library automation systems. We demanded >MARC compliance then and we should demand Z39.50 compliance now. Yes! YES! We must all, together, insist upon Z39.50 compliant systems. To do any less is to abandon our responsibilities as information professionals. Dan Marmion Western Michigan University From thom at indiana.edu Tue Feb 20 13:45:42 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages In-Reply-To: <9602201816.AA05083@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960220134055.31620B-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, dan marmion wrote: > iai@neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) said: > > > >In order for the Internet to reach it's potential as an information > >resource, it is essential that every serious knowledge collection comply > >with the Z39.50 standard. ..... > >We are experiencing the same kind of problems today with Internet databases > >that we had 20 years ago with local library automation systems. We demanded > >MARC compliance then and we should demand Z39.50 compliance now. > > Yes! YES! We must all, together, insist upon Z39.50 compliant systems. > To do any less is to abandon our responsibilities as information > professionals. I think you have to be sorta cautious of Z39.50. In the NISO specifications it explicitly states: This standard is intended particularly for use by systems supporting information retrieval services for organizations such as libraries, information utilities, and union catalogue centers... Z39.50 came before the web is is not really designed for browsing which is what most folks do with the web. I think Z39.50 is important but I think IR has significantly changed, browsing being the biggest difference. I am not arguing for anyone to support a vendor with a proprietary format or approach. --Thom From iai at neosoft.com Tue Feb 20 15:07:50 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages Message-ID: <199602202007.OAA05281@sam.neosoft.com> The Big Glee Bopper <thom@indiana.edu> wrote: > >I think you have to be sorta cautious of Z39.50. In the NISO >specifications it explicitly states: This standard is intended >particularly for use by systems supporting information retrieval services >for organizations such as libraries, information utilities, and union >catalogue centers... Which is why librarians and other collection managers should use it. I never said that every web page needed Z39.50, only "serious knowledge collections". >Z39.50 came before the web is is not really designed for browsing which >is what most folks do with the web. I'll agree that Z39.50 specifies a search and not a browsing interface. Browsing has its place, but did you ever try to browse through a collection of 1 million photographs? _Do_ most people browse collections on the Web rather than using search engines? Not in my experience. > >I think Z39.50 is important but I think IR has significantly changed, >browsing being the biggest difference. The Web has significantly changed IR by providing a ubiquitous network infrastructure and set of information access tools (web clients). People browse in physical libraries too, but that has little impact on the need for effective catalogs. Z39.50 by itself was never user-friendly enough or widely implemented enough to have a significant impact, but once Web->Z39.50 gateways appeared that changed rapidly. The Web has made Z39.50 compliance more important, not less. Now I can create a Web page in a matter of minutes that will launch a single search against a selection of Z39.50 databases worldwide and integrate the results in a single hit list displayed on my Web client. >I am not arguing for anyone to >support a vendor with a proprietary format or approach. Again we agree here - open, nonproprietary standards are needed. >--Thom Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From krin at wam.umd.edu Tue Feb 20 14:25:23 1996 From: krin at wam.umd.edu (Karen E. King) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: National Public Broadcasting Archives home page! Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960220142301.652E-100000@rac6.wam.umd.edu> The National Public Broadcasting Archives home page is available for research. There are links to collection descriptions and subject descriptions. The address is: http://www.itd.umd.edu/UMS/UMCP/NPBA/npba.html Karen King Program Analyst II National Public Broadcasting Archives NPBA email: pb99@umail.umd.edu Phone: 301 405-9988 Fax: 301 314-9419 From marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu Tue Feb 20 15:36:53 1996 From: marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages In-Reply-To: iai@neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) "Re: Searching your web pages" (Feb 20, 12:16) References: <199602202007.OAA05281@sam.neosoft.com> Message-ID: <9602201236.ZM28744@matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu> Z39.50 is a complex, binary, stateful information retrieval protocol best suited for sessions such as an OPAC search session. It can be strapped onto most any search engine. If you take the time to do the original cataloging (as you would any other item held in your collection) and indexing work on your web site so that each page, directory or other division has metainformation associated with it, and run a search engine over it that can take advantage of that indexing, then you might want to run a Z39.50 compliant server over your content. The problem with integrating Z39,50 (stateful) and HTTP (stateless) is that the browsing process can easily be stateful, which is no problem for Z39.50, while HTTP has a hard time dealing with this. With more simpler protocols, gopher, nntp and even the stateful ftp, the common applications are simple enough to incorporate into the web browser. In most Z39.50 applications, the requirements for interaction are complex enough to suggest a gateway, where the HTTP server learns how to handle state and can take advantage of its knowledge of a session and its transactions to present the data in a session context. So, if you know that people are going to search your richly-indexed web pages and require the richness that a full boolean search engine can provide, then you can 1. find a z39.50 capable search engine to put on top of your data. 2. get an off-the-shelf state package, like Isite from cnidr.org (ftp.cnidr.org) as a front-end to your communicate with your server and hook it up to your HTTP server. But the task of doing this is not trivial. You will need some programmer resources, database expertise and a Z39.50 guru or two wouldn't hurt either. -marc -- --/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ // Marc Salomon - Software Engineer - Innovative Software Systems Group \\ \\ Library and Center for Knowledge Management - UC, San Francisco // // phone : 415.476.9541 - e-mail : marc@ckm.ucsf.edu - fax: 415.476.4653 \\ \\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\<URL:http://www.ckm.ucsf.edu/marc/>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/// From cat at ornl.gov Tue Feb 20 15:40:33 1996 From: cat at ornl.gov (Lynn H. Veach) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Error Condition Re: Design of WEB based Journal Use Survey Message-ID: <199602202043.PAA20658@cosmail3.ctd.ornl.gov> I am a subscriber to Web4 already--- what else do I need to do--I already get your emails? Somewhat confused--the only change on my end is from all-in-one system to Eudora---thanks Lynn veach At 10:39 AM 2/20/96 -0800, you wrote: >cat@ornl.gov: You are not subscribed to web4lib@library.berkeley.edu. >Your message is returned to you unprocessed. If you want to subscribe, >send mail to listproc@library.berkeley.edu with the following request: > > subscribe WEB4LIB Your Name > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >We are a corporate library system looking for an innovative and valid way to >do a journal usage survey. Can anyone provide us with some guidance or >guidelines or even advice on pitfalls to avoid? We welcome all >suggestions/ideas. > > >Thank You >Lynn H. Veach >CAT@ornl.gov >Lockheed Martin Energy Systems >Biology Library >POB 2009 >Bldg 9224 MS 8079 >Oak Ridge, Tn 37831-8079 >(423) 574-1241 FAX (423) 574-1240 > > > Lynn H. Veach CAT@ornl.gov Lockheed Martin Energy Systems Biology Library POB 2009 Bldg 9224 MS 8079 Oak Ridge, Tn 37831-8079 (423) 574-1241 FAX (423) 574-1240 From farrip at rpi.edu Tue Feb 20 16:05:23 1996 From: farrip at rpi.edu (Polly-Alida Farrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Job Announcement - LIBRARY SYSTEMS COORDINATOR Message-ID: <v01520d08ad4fa047e2dd@[128.113.68.11]> Library Systems Coordinator Reporting to the Director of Libraries, provides leadership in a team environment for the technical expertise, support, and training specifically required for library automation planning, development/selection, and implementation in a robust library and computing environment. Establish and maintain communication channels between library personnel and campus computing services, vendors of library systems and services, software and hardware sources, consortial partners, regional automation committees, etc. Join on-going automation projects including: a new integrated library system and campus interfaces; RPInfo, a campus-wide information service; a premier project in electronic class reserves; and an innovative grants information dissemination and management system. Help design and integrate instruction in information literacy into interactive learning projects, build image and archival databases, and find ways to enhance user access to local and remote databases of digital information. Rensselaer Libraries are organizationally a part of Computing and Information Services which includes Information Technology Services and Administrative Information Systems in addition to the Libraries. Specific and immediate responsibilities will include implementation and administration of Innovative Interfaces Inc. library automation system; participation on the Libraries' automation team (including one librarian and one applications programmer), responsible for coordinating all library systems and automation projects, computer equipment, network linkages, training library staff ( e.g. email, Internet use and publication); chairing the libraries' automation committee for library-wide input and consultation on automation projects; and participation on the Libraries' management team contributing to strategic planning, program development, and overall operational management. Qualifications: MLS from ALA-accredited program. Demonstrated knowledge of integrated library systems and experience in implementing one or more in a technical or research campus environment. A minimum of three years experience in libraries working in a systems-related capacity. Excellent in interpersonal communication. Demonstrated teaching skills and training experience. Preferred: Knowledge of DOS/Windows, Mac and UNIX operating systems; MARC and OCLC records; WWW browsers and HTML/SGML applications. Familiarity with PDF (Portable Document Format) and Adobe Acrobat and Capture applications. Experience working with Innovative Interfaces Inc. in an academic library environment. Undergraduate background or additional degrees in science/technology discipline(s). Minimum salary $36,000 Application review will begin immediately and be ongoing. Send letter of application, resume and the names of three references to: Loretta Ebert, Director of Libraries, Folsom Library, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180. Rensselaser is an AA, EEO employer. Applications of minorites and women are strongly encouraged. From iai at neosoft.com Tue Feb 20 17:46:06 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages Message-ID: <199602202246.QAA16998@sam.neosoft.com> Marc Salomon <marc@matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu> wrote >So, if you know that people are going to search your richly-indexed web pages >and require the richness that a full boolean search engine can provide, then >you can > >1. find a z39.50 capable search engine to put on top of your data. >2. get an off-the-shelf state package, like Isite from cnidr.org > (ftp.cnidr.org) as a front-end to your communicate with your server and >hook > it up to your HTTP server. > >But the task of doing this is not trivial. You will need some programmer >resources, database expertise and a Z39.50 guru or two wouldn't hurt either. Or, if a stateless search capability will suffice, you can set it up using freeWAIS-sf with about 4 hours of support from the Unix system administator for your Web site. Fielded searching will take extra effort on your part but no programming. Other freeWAIS versions exist for other platforms. I'm loking forward to the release of a Z39.50 version 3 server that is as easy to implement as freeWAIS, but meanwhile you don't need a team of programmers and gurus to be standards compliant. Taking full advantage of the statefull searching possibilities in Z39.50 is, as Marc Salomon says "not trivial". I wouldn't suggest it for the average collection going on-line today. But people are working on this kind of software and the future looks bright. Meanwhile, we do the best we can. Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu Tue Feb 20 20:01:03 1996 From: DLESTER at bsu.idbsu.edu (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Photo CD Images Message-ID: <s12a0c7c.017@bsu.idbsu.edu> I have a bunch of 35 mm slides that I'd like to scan, both to use on web pages, and for long term preservation. No inexpensive means of directly scanning is available (i.e. not for less than $2.00 per slide). However, I have found a service bureau that will produce a Kodak Photo CD of 100 slides for about $80. It comes with a PhotoCD viewer to view the images, which are in PhotoCD format (of which I've conveniently forgotten the extension, perhaps .pcd, but NOT .jpg, .gif, .tif, .bmp, etc, etc.) My real questions are two: First, have any of you worked from Photo CD images? If so, any particular problems? Second, what software will allow me to convert the PhotoCD images to .gif or .jpg for use on web pages, etc? Any comments, either on or off list, appreciated. I'll summarize any offlist comments of relevance. cheers dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu "How can one fool make another wise?" Kansas, 1979. From maclarke at rs01.kings.edu Tue Feb 20 21:25:31 1996 From: maclarke at rs01.kings.edu (Margaret A Clarke) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960220212318.39294B-100000@rs01.kings.edu> If there is anyone who has instructions on how I can remove myself from this list please forward them to me. Thanks, maclarke@rs01.kings.edu From ace at Opus1.COM Tue Feb 20 22:02:02 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: search engine comparison Message-ID: <01I1G5O01QEADA9PCJ@Opus1.COM> Might be new at it but doesn't sound confused to me:-)) I am sending you my grant research results from earlier this year, have had to search all through my hd and floppies to get it together for you. But it was not so hard before the government decided to change things, i did better in 1994 than 1995, early 1995 was okay then found difficultly as the sites that were gopher sites etc were broken down and not replaced. Shades of newts...:)) [hey i know he talks the talk, I'm just looking at what seems to have happened. Did you find what you needed using gopher and ftp and veronica or does it just seem easier to use an index search (this is now, that was then) and take what you find?] This is my research I am trying to do, migration of internet files and changes in protocols (ftp. http etc) for file transfer and access and how this has changed between july 1994 and now. Any ideas for help on this project? I'll give you credit!:)) Anyone else already doing this and want my research? I think it is important, but could be wrong.:)) Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! At 07:38 PM 2/18/96 -0800, Karen G. Schneider wrote: >>In performing a side by side comparison of a single directory and >>limiting the index to only .html files I found swish returned about 12% >>fewer hits than WAISQ. I first noticed this on a larger scale across our >>whole website, but wanted to control the index to make sure I wasn't >>comparing apples and oranges. >>Has anyone else had similar or differing results when swish is compared >>to wais or glimpse? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> John Gladstone /jgladsto@nal.usda.gov > >Wouldn't we also need more information, such as how you had configured the >two search engines? I'm very new at this stuff,but I'm sitting here >editing config.h right now (for swish) and have noted that there is >considerable flexibiilty in how you set stopwords, length of allowable >words, etc. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.bluehighways.com/ >Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher >Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) > > > From lou at argus-inc.com Wed Feb 21 01:07:21 1996 From: lou at argus-inc.com (Lou Rosenfeld) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Clearinghouse update, improvements Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960221010618.28440U-100000@login2.sils.umich.edu> Back in the olden days of the Internet (i.e., pre-1995), I used to make somewhat regular announcements about the status of the Clearinghouse, and as I've relegated myself to lurker status of late, I wanted to post this to let you know that 1) the Clearinghouse continues to exist and improve, and 2) I'm not dead (yet). The Clearinghouse (http://www.lib.umich.edu/chhome.html) continues to be sponsored by Argus Associates and the University of Michigan. It remains true to its goal of providing access to value-added topical guides to Internet resources. I imagine there will be over one thousand such guides accessible via the Clearinghouse by this summer. Usage continues to grow, with almost a half million hits per month (although we all know that hits themselves really don't mean much). If you've used the Clearinghouse before, you'll be pleased to know of the improvements that are coming online. * The guides' cover pages are now searchable (http://www.lib.umich.edu/chouse/search.html); we'd greatly appreciate your input on this new searching facility. * We are slowly but surely adding our own qualitative evaluations of individual guides as well; these evaluations are based on a five-tiered system which we believe represents a good application of librarianship to Internet resources. * Older guides (12 months+) will soon be moved to subsidiary pages, thereby making current guides more accessible. If you're new to the Clearinghouse, this might help: if Internet directories are placed on a continuum, resources such as Yahoo, which are great for known-item searching and ad-hoc reference, but provide little qualitative information, would be on one end. Resources such as the Clearinghouse guides and the WWW Virtual Library, which aren't as comprehensive but provide value-added descriptive and evaluative information ideal for researchers, would be at the other end of the continuum. As always, access remains free, and we greatly welcome submissions of new guides (http://www.lib.umich.edu/chouse/docs/submit.html), especially from librarians and other information professionals. Best wishes all! Louis Rosenfeld, President lou@argus-inc.com Argus Associates, Inc. http://argus-inc.com 2901 Hubbard voice: +1.313.913.0010 Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2467 USA fax: +1.313.769.7074 From stabenau at tu-harburg.d400.de Wed Feb 21 02:36:40 1996 From: stabenau at tu-harburg.d400.de (Edlef Stabenau) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: Cool Colormaker Page Message-ID: <199602210639.HAA14670@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de> > The following site by Sam Choukri has a simple, easy process for > choosing background colors, text, and link colors that would be useful > for quickly designing color enhanced web pages or for HTML training: > > >http://www.missouri.edu/~c588349/colormaker.html Hi Linda, a nice tool for the quick design of coloured webpages is (only for WINdows) ________________________________cut_______________________________ The Color Manipulation Device v1.0U Freely Distributable ShareWare The Color Manipulation Device v1.0U is a Windows utility to help you choose colors for your web pages. Features - * Automatically builds a correct body tag. * You can change BGCOLOR, TEXT, LINK, ALINK, and VLINK colors. * Sample Window shows how all the colors will display together. * Full background image support. Chris Pearce yyz@meat.com 4880 SW Scholls Ferry RD #25 Portland, OR 97225-1699 Be sure to visit the home page of it all... http://www.meat.com/ ____________________________cut________________________________ Greetings from Hamburg Edlef From ace at Opus1.COM Wed Feb 21 02:42:06 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:26 2005 Subject: fwd: talking browser for the visually impaired Message-ID: <01I1GFG8VLMQDAA303@Opus1.COM> >>fwd--original message--------- >>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:50:22 -0600 >>From: Christine Chiu <pitsco@PITSCO.COM> >>Subject: Talking browser for visually impaired >>To: Multiple recipients of list LM_NET <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> >> >>Thought some of you might find this of interest: >> >>Internet software vendor Productivity Works [http://www.prodworks.com/] in >>Trenton, New Jersey, has unveiled a browser that talks to the user to help >>the visually impaired get World Wide Web access. Called pwWebSpeak, the >>browser translates information content from Web pages into speech. The >>intelligence built into the browser reads HTML code and automatically >>disregards non-HTML content such as graphics and multimedia. The browser >>also creates large character interpretations of Web pages for partially >>sighted users. There are 27 million visually impaired individuals in the >>United States and Europe, according to Productivity Works. The company >>will begin beta testing pwWebSpeak in March. Beta testers must be visually >>impaired, have a PC running Windows 3.1 or Windows 95, Internet access >>running a TCP/IP connection, and an audio card. The browser will be >>available in April for free. The company is asking for a $100 maintenace >>fee, but will waive the cost if needed, according to officials. >>Productivity Works was assisted in developing the browser by De Witt and >>Associates interface consultants and the Thomas Edison State College. >> >>Christine Chiu >>GUI Designer/webmaster >>Pitsco Technology Education >>chiu@pitsco.com >>http://www.usa.net/~pitsco/ >> >> >> >> >> > From SANDERS at rulub.LeidenUniv.nl Wed Feb 21 05:15:11 1996 From: SANDERS at rulub.LeidenUniv.nl (Yvonne Sanders 071 272807/2227) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Photo CD Images Message-ID: <01I1H1K79PKE000682@rulub.LeidenUniv.nl> > From: IN%"DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu" 21-FEB-1996 02:17 > To: IN%"web4lib@library.berkeley.edu" "Multiple recipients of list" > CC: > Subj: Photo CD Images > > Return-path: <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Received: from RULSUR by rulub.LeidenUniv.nl (PMDF V4.3-10 #2497) > id <01I1GIT0QTLC00053B@rulub.LeidenUniv.nl>; Wed, > 21 Feb 1996 02:17:53 +0100 (MET) > Received: from library.berkeley.edu by rulsur.LeidenUniv.NL (PMDF V5.0-4 #2497) > id <01I1GIRD1PJK0004LR@rulsur.LeidenUniv.NL> for sanders@rulub7.LeidenUniv.NL; > Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:35 +0100 (MET) > Received: from localhost by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) > id AA14610; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:10:47 -0800 > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:10:47 -0800 > From: Dan Lester <DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu> > Subject: Photo CD Images > Sender: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Errors-to: listchek@library.berkeley.edu > Reply-to: DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu > Message-id: <s12a0c7c.017@bsu.idbsu.edu> > X-Envelope-to: sanders > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Originator: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu > Precedence: bulk > X-Listprocessor-version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > > I have a bunch of 35 mm slides that I'd like to > scan, both to use on web pages, and for long > term preservation. No inexpensive means of > directly scanning is available (i.e. not for less > than $2.00 per slide). However, I have found a > service bureau that will produce a Kodak Photo > CD of 100 slides for about $80. It comes with a > PhotoCD viewer to view the images, which are > in PhotoCD format (of which I've conveniently > forgotten the extension, perhaps .pcd, but NOT > .jpg, .gif, .tif, .bmp, etc, etc.) My real questions > are two: > > First, have any of you worked from Photo CD > images? If so, any particular problems? > Yes, I have worked with it. I didn't have any problems > Second, what software will allow me to convert > the PhotoCD images to .gif or .jpg for use on > web pages, etc? > Paint Shop Pro (for Windows) can convert the images in a very easy way, so I would recommend this program. Yvonne Sanders Leiden University The Netherlands > Any comments, either on or off list, appreciated. > I'll summarize any offlist comments of > relevance. > > Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator > Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, > 83725 USA > voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 > dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR > alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu > Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: > http://cyclops.idbsu.edu > "How can one fool make another wise?" > Kansas, 1979. > > > From vision at phoenix.net Wed Feb 21 07:19:09 1996 From: vision at phoenix.net (vision@phoenix.net) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Concept Virus Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960221121909.0069f9dc@phoenix.net> Try the McAfee system at ... http://www.mcafee.com Bill Gunn, Director of Library Services ColorMarq: "The Science of Color Coding For Libraries" vision@phoenix.net http://www.phoenix.net/~vision From gagnew at ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us Wed Feb 21 08:11:53 1996 From: gagnew at ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.960220212318.39294B-100000@rs01.kings.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960221075512.14909F-100000@ce1> Occasionally, on every list I belong to, someone asks for help unsubscribing. Sometimes this is due to sysadmin problems for the listserv, but often the person has lost the subscribe information (yes, yes, the administrative message always says "save this message" but we all pull the mattress tags off too!) At AFPL, we require that a folder labelled "subscribe" be set up for each email account where these messages are saved. In fact, the librarians set this up as part of their email training. When a librarian with an email account gives notice, the email committee chair sends an email message reminding them to unsubscribe to listservs and delete all mail except the subscribe folder. The Computer Services Department will then go in and unsubscribe to all listservs, and will delete all other folders unread, after the librarian has left and before closing the account, for insurance. In the case of someone leaving hurriedly (termination, hit by a bus), which fortunately never happens, we can delete their folders and unsubscribe to listservs. This is good citizenship--to prevent bounces and save bandwidth on listservs-- which are non-profit, public service type things, but also, for those like me with increasingly faulty memories and bad paper filing skills, it helps to have the info handy online in a folder. Not a web issue, but my guess is that many of you manage the email as well, so a hopefully helpful tip that I figured out when I lost unsubscribe information myself and got flamed for asking online! Grace On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Margaret A Clarke wrote: > If there is anyone who has instructions on how I can remove myself from > this list please forward them to me. > Thanks, > maclarke@rs01.kings.edu > ________________________________________________________________________________ Grace Agnew Assistant Director for System Support & Technical Development Atlanta-Fulton Public Library gagnew@ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Feb 21 09:40:31 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.960220212318.39294B-100000@rs01.kings.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960221063802.4781D-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Web4Lib Subscribers, Since we seem to be getting a rash of these, I am taking the liberty of reposting these instructions as well as a reminder that ALL the appropriate commands for this discussion can be found on the Web4Lib Web page at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ and presumably everyone has access to a Web client and knows how to go somewhere with it or else you wouldn't (one would hope) be on this list. Thank you all for your patience, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner To unsubscribe from the Web4Lib discussion, send the message: SIGNOFF Web4Lib to: listserv@library.berkeley.edu Thank you, Web4Lib Management On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Margaret A Clarke wrote: > If there is anyone who has instructions on how I can remove myself from > this list please forward them to me. > Thanks, > maclarke@rs01.kings.edu > From whitt at CS.cofc.EDU Wed Feb 21 09:47:09 1996 From: whitt at CS.cofc.EDU (Alis Whitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602210920.B18973-0100000@stono.cs.cofc.edu> my vote for the best unintentional subject line ever -- try signoff web4lib Margaret A Clarke, sent to listserv@library.berkeley.edu Alis Whitt Interlibrary Loan Coordinator whitt@stono.cofc.edu College of Charleston ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:34 -0800 From: Margaret A Clarke <maclarke@rs01.kings.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF If there is anyone who has instructions on how I can remove myself from this list please forward them to me. Thanks, maclarke@rs01.kings.edu From James_Rubottom at oclc.org Wed Feb 21 09:58:06 1996 From: James_Rubottom at oclc.org (James_Rubottom@oclc.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Reply to: Photo CD Images Message-ID: <9602211500.AE00374@dg1.ceo.oclc.org> From: James Rubottom:CEO Date: ## 02/21/96 09:58 ## I have used HiJaak PRO for several years to convert photo CD format images to other formats (including formats viewable on the WWW). In fact I am considering using that method for some personal Web projects I am working on. Even though I do have a color scanner, I think you can get better quality from the photo CD. This is especially true when you are dealing with existing negatives. James Rubottom From: (Dan Lester) DLESTER@bsu.idbsu.edu:smtp Date: ## 02/20/96 17:21 ## I have a bunch of 35 mm slides that I'd like to scan, both to use on web pages, and for long term preservation. No inexpensive means of directly scanning is available (i.e. not for less than $2.00 per slide). However, I have found a service bureau that will produce a Kodak Photo CD of 100 slides for about $80. It comes with a PhotoCD viewer to view the images, which are in PhotoCD format (of which I've conveniently forgotten the extension, perhaps .pcd, but NOT .jpg, .gif, .tif, .bmp, etc, etc.) My real questions are two: First, have any of you worked from Photo CD images? If so, any particular problems? Second, what software will allow me to convert the PhotoCD images to .gif or .jpg for use on web pages, etc? Any comments, either on or off list, appreciated. I'll summarize any offlist comments of relevance. cheers dan Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Boise State University Library, Boise, Idaho, 83725 USA voice: 208-385-1235 fax: 208-385-1394 dlester@bsu.idbsu.edu OR alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu Cyclops' Internet Toolbox: From guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu Wed Feb 21 09:59:05 1996 From: guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Laura Guy) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED Message-ID: <9602211459.AA04530@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1432 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960221/f3b29302/attachment.bat From kcampbel at seq.hamline.edu Wed Feb 21 10:30:39 1996 From: kcampbel at seq.hamline.edu (Karen Campbell) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Cool Colormaker Page In-Reply-To: <199602210639.HAA14670@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91.960221092923.14364B-100000@seq.hamline.edu> I just dowloaded this and tried it and highly recommend it! It's way too much fun, though. On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Edlef Stabenau wrote: > Hi Linda, > a nice tool for the quick design of coloured webpages is (only for > WINdows) > ________________________________cut_______________________________ > The Color Manipulation Device v1.0U > Freely Distributable ShareWare > The Color Manipulation Device v1.0U is a Windows utility to help you > choose colors for your web pages. > Features - > > * Automatically builds a correct body tag. > * You can change BGCOLOR, TEXT, LINK, ALINK, and VLINK colors. > * Sample Window shows how all the colors will display together. > * Full background image support. > Chris Pearce > yyz@meat.com > > 4880 SW Scholls Ferry RD #25 > Portland, OR 97225-1699 > Be sure to visit the home page of it all... > http://www.meat.com/ > ____________________________cut________________________________ > > Greetings from Hamburg > Edlef > ************************************************************************* Karen Campbell Bush Memorial Library kcampbel@seq.hamline.edu Hamline University (612)641-2482 St. Paul, Minnesota We are "web weavers and dancers at the dawn of the Meso-Electronic Period" ---Paul Evan Peters ************************************************************************* From thom at indiana.edu Wed Feb 21 10:50:03 1996 From: thom at indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED In-Reply-To: <9602211459.AA04530@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960221104651.1525B-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Laura Guy wrote: > a colleague of mine who is doing work in South Africa asked how > difficult it would be to move the entire web-site into some sort of > format (perhaps like postscript) so it could be distributed to > those less fortunate resource-wise (many researchers in South Africa > do not have the computer resources necessary to use our web site). Why not press the entire collection onto a CD with Mosaic as the browser for a central depository in Africa to localize distribution and access closer to need. I'm thinking of places like ICRISAT in India as model which already does something similar to this. --Thom From dgrisner at netcom.com Wed Feb 21 11:11:19 1996 From: dgrisner at netcom.com (David G. Risner) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED In-Reply-To: <9602211459.AA04530@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960221080223.3567A-100000@netcom2> On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Laura Guy wrote: > i've developed a very large (currently about 40 meg) and > complex web site (loads of internal and external links) of > international data resources (http://dpls.dacc.wisc.edu/iassist/) Perhaps you can convert it to WordPerfect 6.0. It has they ability to do hyperlinks within a document or to other documents and many people can run it (all you need is a 286). You could then include any graphics, and your formatting would remain intact. You could write a macro to do the conversion (if one doesn't already exist). Two other possibilities are Adobe Acrobat and the Envoy product. These, I believe, require a little more computing power (like a 386), but I'm not sure on that. The Acrobat viewers are free, and they have them for a variety of platforms including many Unix systems. Production of the actual documents requires the purchase of a product, but this might be a good alternative (both of these can do hyperlinks). Good luck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David G. Risner dgrisner@netcom.com Southwestern University School of Law Library Los Angeles, CA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Wed Feb 21 16:00:07 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: HELP...I WANT TO GET OFF References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960221075512.14909F-100000@ce1> Message-ID: <312B87D7.4662@opac.osl.state.or.us> For this list, at least, folks, please do remember that the super Web4Lib Electronic Discussion home page at... http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ has got the full instructions for subscribe, unsubscribe, all other list commands, even mailto: links to the list manager software, etc. It's "Mailing Lists for Low Achievers." (Count me in that group; I also misplaced the original info file) Tons of other information on that page, as well as link to the really spiffy Web4Lib HyperMail archive. -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D.//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.state.or.us ----------------------------------------------------------------- Library: Like a software house, except the software's free. It's not vaporware. And if it breaks, they help you fix it. Quickly. Without a toll call. Grace Agnew wrote: > > Occasionally, on every list I belong to, someone asks for help > unsubscribing. Sometimes this is due to sysadmin problems for the > listserv, but often the person has lost the subscribe information (yes, > yes, the administrative message always says "save this message" but we > all pull the mattress tags off too!) <MORE DELETED...> From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Wed Feb 21 13:09:36 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Charles F. Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Launching application via HTML? Message-ID: <Chameleon.960221122452.cbearden@gleason.hpl.lib.tx.us> Is it possible to write an HTML link in a document that will invoke a program other than the web browser through which the link is chosen? And would it be possible then for that second program to pass ALT+F4 to the web browser to shut it down? Background: at Houston Public Library we are running Mosaic in kiosk mode in Windows 95. Unfortunately, there is no obvious way to exit kiosk mode: the control box in the upper left-hand corner and the sizing and exit boxes in the upper right-hand corner don't appear. ALT+F4 still works, but even stickers on the PCs instructing users to ALT+F4 to exit don't work very well. This wouldn't be a problem except that we are running Mosaic as a 3rd party application started by our OPAC GUI. As long as Mosaic is running, you can't get to the catalog. We would like a link on our homepage that would shut down Mosaic when clicked. Our hope is that one could link to a program on the PC that would shut down Mosaic and then shut itself down, leaving the OPAC visible. I suspect that the answer is either an obvious "no" or an obvious "yes, don't you know about...". Thanks for any help. ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Catalog Department voice: 713/247-3499 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-3158 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Wed Feb 21 16:20:34 1996 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Launching application via HTML? Message-ID: <v02130502ad513ab0bc74@[144.92.107.189]> >Is it possible to write an HTML link in a document that will invoke a >program other than the web browser through which the link is chosen? I have written a quick guide for how to do just that, at: "Launching CD-ROM or other applications from a Web browser" http://www.library.wisc.edu/help/tech/launch_info.html And would it be possible then for that second program to pass ALT+F4 to the web browser to shut it down? It would if the program in question was some kind of scripting program that can send keystrokes back to Netscape, such as WinBatch from Wilson Windoware (http://www.windowware.com/). Disclaimer: I have no connection with Wilson Windoware, but we're very happy users of their product. PG _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman Automation Help Desk Memorial Library University of Wisconsin pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu From RANDY at TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Wed Feb 21 19:34:58 1996 From: RANDY at TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Randy Kolb, St. Cloud State University, ACS) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Small College Computing Symposium '96 Message-ID: <01I1HGX5H2IG0043WQ@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU> 29th Annual Small College Computing Symposium 1996 April 18-20, 1996 Hosted by: St. Cloud State University St. John's University St. Cloud, Minnesota Collegeville, Minnesota College of St. Benedict's St. Joseph, Minnesota The theme of the 1996 Small College Computing Symposium (SCCS-'96) is "Making the Right Connections." Technical papers in all areas of computer science, social science, academic computing, multi-media, and learning resource services will be presented. Also included are reports describing new teaching innovations, techniques, and making connections into the future. Additional information in the workshops, panels and papers, along with registration information, may be obtained by visiting the SCCS'96 homepage at URL: www.stcloud.msus.edu/sccs ====================================================================== Keynote speakers: Steve Gilbert, Director of Information Technologies Division, American Association of Higher Education Ted Sjoerdsma, National Science Foundation Howard Mohr Author, "How To Talk Minnesotan" ====================================================================== History: In 1968, the use of computers for instruction at small institutions of higher education in the upper Midwest was just beginning to flourish. A number of faculty members interested in this subject came together that year on the campus of the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks. This was the start of the annual Small College Computing Symposium (SCCS). The 1987 symposium marked the twentieth anniversary of an event that has become one of the nation's oldest regional efforts to focus, and share, creative thinking about computer-related issues and opportunities at smaller institutions of higher education. The common objective of all the symposia has been to provide small college and university faculty and administrators with an opportunity for continuing education in the application of computers to all areas of academia. Typical symposium programs have included the presentation of technical papers, current discussion sessions, and featured speakers from the business industry and government. The objective has been to provoke participants with up-to-the-minute information about new developments and issues. There is, however, always ample time for informal conversation in a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps the greatest benefit is the networking of professional colleagues that naturally occurs in this kind of setting. ======================================================================= SCCS Pre-conference workshops: ============================= "Visual Basic Made Easy" by Roger Y. Lee & James P. Kelsh, Central Michigan University "SoftImage" by Jack London, SoftImage Corporation "Unix Clusters and Failover" by Michael Eschenbach, Digital Equipment Corporation "Network Architecture with enVISN" by Thomas Drill, Digital Equipment Corporation "Video Conferencing" by T. J. Nagee, Intel and Eric Rohde, Collier Computing Company "Distance Learning Networks" by John Orth, President, CyberZonics Information Systems "MicroCase Analysis System and ShowCase" by David Nordlie, Bemidji State University "Minitab, Release 11 New Features" by Scott Palmer, Minitab, Inc. "Enriching Your Internet" by Sean Brown and Amy Spoo, Apple Computer, Inc. - Education Division "Maple V in the Undergraduate Curriculum" by Dan Schwalbe, Waterloo Software ============================== Panels and Paper Presentations: ============================== There will be 6 panels discussing and/or debating such the topics: ================================================================== "Ethical Issues in Teaching Computer Science: A Dialog" "The Role of Programming in the First Computer Literacy Course" "Which Language/Paradigm for Computer Science I" "The Use of Computer Labs in the Undergraduate Computer Science Curriculum" "Untangling the Web: Building and Managing a Campus-wide Web Server" "Transforming Teaching Education through Technology" ======================================================== A total of 44 faculty or staff papers will be presented: ======================================================== "Design Criteria for Offering a College Course in an Interactive Computer Mediated Communication Environment (CD ROM based)" "Using the World Wide Web to Teach Psychology in a Networked Computer Classroom" "An Examination of Electronic Discussion Groups in a University Setting" "Computer Aided Instruction (CAI) from the Inside: Modeling the City" "Jump Starting Multimedia in Your Classroom" "Using the World Wide Web for Course Support" "The Use of World Wide Web in Support of the Classroom" "North Dakota State University's World Wide Web Instructional Project" "Distance Education Using the Internet" "Emerging Technologies for Distance Education" "Juggling in Three Dimensions: Mathematics, Computer Science, and Art" "Using Neural Networks for Load Planning in a Medium Sized Police Department" "An Alumni Directory on the World Wide Web" "Instructional Labs: Plus and Minuses" "The Pitfalls and Pratfalls of Teaching on the Internet" "Using Computer Technology as an Analytical Tool in Business Management Classes" "The Use of Multimedia for Incorporating Assistive Technology on Campus" "E-mail: One Professor's Solution for Staying Connected on Campus or Abroad" "A Generic Algorithm Demonstration Using VT100 Graphics and the Rectilinear Steiner Problem" "Developing Instructional Laboratory Materials with Multimedia Components for an Introductory Computer Science Course" "Implementing Abstract Classes with an Inverted Inheritance Hierarchy in C++" "Networking Dream of the '90s-ATM Networks" "Teaching Undergraduates Parallel Program Design" "Virtual Superdirectory for Several Internet Login Accounts" "A Generic Algorithm That Illustrates Its Progress on the Traveling Salesman Problem" "Experience of an Instructor Participating in the Implementation of a Student Course Project" "Scalability of the MBone" "Group Projects in a Senior Level Database Course" "C++ in CS1: Reconciling Two Diverse Approaches" "Teaching Programming Through Patterning" "Particles on a Sphere - A Specimen Multidisciplinary Problem" "An Effective and Inexpensive Guide to Example Visualization" "The Enhanced IAS Machine and Pseudo-Assembler for a Course in Computer Organization and Assembly Language" "Integrating High Speed Switches Into Existing Networks as a Means of Bridging to the 100mbs World" "Interview Strategy for Software Development with an Industrial Case Study" "Low Cost Video Conferencing Using FreeBSD Video Capture Drivers" "Design & Evaluation of Exercises for 'Physical-First' Approach to Abstract Data Types" "Managing a Distributed Computing System by Utilizing NIS/NFS and PERL with LINUX Operating System" "General MIDI Device Support for the PC-Xinu Operating System to Share Music Studio Resources in a Networked Environment" "A Course in Visual Programming" "An Experiment with Automated Program Grading Using Ceilidh" "Modem Access: An Ongoing Re-evaluation" "Information Technology Support Services: Crisis or Opportunity?" "Optimizing the World Wide Web for Your Campus Wide Information System" ============================================================== Student papers on the following topics will also be presented: ============================================================== "Internet Personal Communication with Voice Mail" "A Parallel Implementation of Romberg Integration" "Internet Robotics" "Using Lego Robots in High School Programming Courses" "Real-Time Audio and Video Communications on the Internet" "Intellectual Property Rights in the Information Age" "Web Site Development for Small Business Innovation Research" "Computer-Based Training (CBT) in the Squad Car" "Effects of Computer Presentation on Recognition" "Collaborating Across the Curriculum: The Making of a Short Animated Feature" .............................................................................. Randy Kolb, Academic Computer Services, St. Cloud State University, ECC Bldg, Room 101, 720 4th Ave. So., St. Cloud, MN, 56301, ph:612-255-4103 Internet: Randy@Tigger.StCloud.MSUS.edu From riddle at is.rice.edu Wed Feb 21 22:22:12 1996 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED In-Reply-To: <9602211459.AA04530@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> from "Laura Guy" at Feb 21, 96 07:39:56 am Message-ID: <199602220322.VAA27383@brazos.is.rice.edu> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:39:56 -0800 > From: Laura Guy <guy@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> > Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED > > i've developed a very large (currently about 40 meg) and > complex web site (loads of internal and external links) of > international data resources (http://dpls.dacc.wisc.edu/iassist/) > > a colleague of mine who is doing work in South Africa asked how > difficult it would be to move the entire web-site into some sort of > format (perhaps like postscript) so it could be distributed to > those less fortunate resource-wise (many researchers in South Africa > do not have the computer resources necessary to use our web site). > > i know that one thing i could do would be to sit for hours and > create individial postscript files from these hundreds of html > documents, but certainly any hyperlinking would be problematic > (i guess id have to carefully sort these postscript files and print > them in order) AND of course, any of our links to outside resources > would be lost. Splitting the problem into two pieces: (1) To avoid losing your hyperlinks in hard copy, find a friendly hacker to write a short perl script to convert every instance of: <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah</a> ...to: <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah (<tt>http://blahblah</tt>)</a> No doubt you'll think of other enhancements to make your HTML more hard-copy friendly: explicitly state the URL of each document at the beginning, explicitly flag internal <a name="blah"> anchors, etc. If there are crucial external documents that you've linked to, include them in the printed collection (after asking permission or assessing them for Fair Use, of course). (2) Find a web browser which will convert from HTML to something printable using command-line options so you can run through all of your HTML files in "batch" mode. I don't think Netscape will do this, but possibly some other GUI Postscript-capable browser will; if not, you can always turn your HTML into ASCII with lynx: foreach F ( /wherever/iassist/*.html ) lynx -dump file://localhost/${F} | lpr end Note that instead of printing directly you could import every document back a good word processor or desktop publishing tool and use it to compile an index mapping URLs to page numbers. Good luck. (I also liked the suggestion that you cut a CD-ROM, but your target audience seems to require paper.) And lest people think that these techniques are strictly for a computerless third-world environment, it seems to me that if refined they could be useful for archival purposes as well. I've toyed with the idea of creating an annual paper snapshot of my CWIS for preservation in our university library. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle -- Home office: 2002-A Guadalupe St. #285, Austin, TX 78705 / 512-323-0708 From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Feb 21 22:14:27 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: Z39.50 Message-ID: <v01530510ad518b4eab35@[204.97.113.41]> The thread on Z39.50 has been great reading. I want to add, first, I would think it isn't the size of the collection that determines whether it should prepared to be searchable via Z39.50, but what uses it will be put to. I could see a need for Z39.50 for some very small collections. But my question is really for those of us getting more tuned in to the issue of document preparation, modificatoin and cataloging so the information is accessible--in other words, the cataloging and indexing one of the posters referred to. I'm thinking abotu archives of previously-created documents, new documents, and data on database servers... a panoply of info. Is the "metainformation" to be created strictly in MARC records, as bib records separate from the documents, or are there other ways to imbed information in or tag it to documents? At what level do you index--every html file, every top-level file, or...? I'm really getting into a cataloging-on-the-net question, but I found that thread intriguing and useful, and bet others would appreciate the edification as well. Guidelines for further reading and exploration would also be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * http://www.bluehighways.com/ Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries, Internet Law Researcher Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) From rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net Wed Feb 21 23:16:23 1996 From: rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net (Robert H. Terry) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:27 2005 Subject: METADATA Question In-Reply-To: <01I1HGX5H2IG0043WQ@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960221222946.13482B-100000@rbse> NEWS RELEASE......... Bob Terry's BIDM Motion passed by IEEE (as submitted by RIG), It is now an IEEE standard produced by RIG, it is the BIDM for software reuse, it represents a consensus amongst software libraries for a Standard data model of METADATA. Now comes the problem, I located just such a METADATA model (DIG ?) for atmospheric datasets. Thereupon realizing theres other work unknown. [D Question: Are there agreed upon Conventions, Proposed Standards, and Standards for METADATA exchange that any of this library science group knows about ? The thought is that, if Software has a Standard METADATA model, other informational artifacts need to be included, and their templates for use need to be known. Thanks for your consideration and effort in advance, Bob Terry 800-846-1458 x 18 304-594-9072 x 18 From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Thu Feb 22 05:40:49 1996 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT> 1996 Make the Link Workshop Sessions Still Open Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9602220249.R1350-b100000@gigantor.arlington.com> The Make the Link Workshop has been receiving a very enthusiastic response. There are still openings left in the two workshops scheduled to begin March 4 and April 1. The February session is now closed. Make the Link Workshop is an inexpensive, eight-week training course on the World Wide Web (WWW) and the HyperText Markup Language (HTML). It is conducted entirely by e-mail, making it extremely easy to receive and use. The workshop is available to the general public. The cost of the workshop is $20 US. For more information, please send an otherwise blank message to: info@arlington.com To sign up for the Make the Link Workshop, please send a message to the e-mail address: majordomo@arlington.com with (type exactly): subscribe links6 to sign up for Session VI beginning March 4, or subscribe links7 to sign up for Session VII starting April 1 (and nothing else) in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. If you have any difficulty with this procedure, or fail to receive a response, please send e-mail to tcopley@arlington.com. TO AMERICA ONLINE USERS ONLY: Please place a "." (period) in all blank fields. Each session is exactly the same, so please sign up for the one with the most convenient timing for you. TPC ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Make the Link Workshop http://www.crl.com/~gorgon/ From mwatso at gopher1.library.lsumc.edu Thu Feb 22 09:06:58 1996 From: mwatso at gopher1.library.lsumc.edu (Michael Watson) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Internet shutdown message Message-ID: <9602221406.AA30702@library.berkeley.edu> One of my friends forwarded this message to me from one of his listservs. I feel certain that it's a hoax, but was curious to see how widely it has spread--has anyone else seen it? -Mike Watson mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >*** Attention *** > >It's that time again! > >As many of you know, each leap year the Internet must be shut down for 24 hours >in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead >email and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and >faster Internet. > >This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on Feb. 29 >until 12:01 a.m. GMT on March 1. During that 24-hour period, five powerful >Internet-crawling robots situated around the world will search the Internet and >delete any data that they find. > >In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the >following: > >1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their Internet > connections. > >2. Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the Internet. > >3. Disconnect all disks and hardrives from any connections to the Internet. > >4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any way. > >We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some Internet users, and >we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconveniences will be more than >made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet, once it has >been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. > >We thank you for your cooperation. > >Kim Dereksen >Interconnected Network Maintenance staff >Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > >Sysops and others: Since the last Internet cleaning, the number of Internet >users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the >upcoming Internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able >to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and Internet users as >well. Thank you. Michael Watson mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Thu Feb 22 09:44:44 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Internet shutdown message Message-ID: <01BB010A.675D7760@grey.ohiolink.edu> The 1988 cleanup was such a fiasco that they didn't even try it in 1992... I guess April 1st came early this year. Such a joke can't even be counted as a hoax. Think about it: who could have such centralized power over such a decentralized beast as the Internet? And if all the servers are turned off, where will the robots find data to delete? Reflecting back and forth on fiber optic cables? Thomas Dowling ====================================== ---------- From: Michael Watson[SMTP:mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 1996 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Internet shutdown message One of my friends forwarded this message to me from one of his listservs. I feel certain that it's a hoax, but was curious to see how widely it has spread--has anyone else seen it? -Mike Watson mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >*** Attention *** > >It's that time again! > >As many of you know, each leap year the Internet must be shut down for 24 hours >in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead >email and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and >faster Internet. > >This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on Feb. 29 >until 12:01 a.m. GMT on March 1. During that 24-hour period, five powerful >Internet-crawling robots situated around the world will search the Internet and >delete any data that they find. > >In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the >following: > >1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their Internet > connections. > >2. Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the Internet. > >3. Disconnect all disks and hardrives from any connections to the Internet. > >4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any way. > >We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some Internet users, and >we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconveniences will be more than >made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet, once it has >been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. > >We thank you for your cooperation. > >Kim Dereksen >Interconnected Network Maintenance staff >Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > >Sysops and others: Since the last Internet cleaning, the number of Internet >users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the >upcoming Internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able >to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and Internet users as >well. Thank you. Michael Watson mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 22 09:53:01 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Reference Center Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960222064859.30705F@library.berkeley.edu> Gentle Subscribers, Peter Gorman's recent message on his document about how to launch applications from a Web browser finally prompted me to put together a Web4Lib page that points to this document as well as others that have been announced on this forum. I have called it "The Library Web Manager's Reference Center" and it is available from the Web4Lib Web page (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/) or directly at: http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/faq.html I request your assistance on pointing out my omissions, and I apologize in advance for overlooking anyone at this early hour (I am not responsible for my actions prior to my regular dose of caffeine). Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From gagnew at ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us Thu Feb 22 09:56:05 1996 From: gagnew at ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Internet shutdown message In-Reply-To: <9602221406.AA30702@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960222094719.21851A-100000@ce1> Michael, On publibnet, they are saying that this is a hoax, much like the "Good Times" virus alert. The version I am seeing says that "the phone company" will do this (I'm still trying to figure out, anymore, who "the phone company" is?--At&T? MCI? those "dime a minute" folks???). What about the cable and satellite providers? I don't think there's enough centralized, structured management of the Internet to do a shutdown (which might be scarier, come to think of it, than a shutdown itself!) The Mrs Fields/Nieman Marcus cookie recipe remains my favorite--at least you got a good (albeit fattening) cookie recipe out of it! Grace On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Michael Watson wrote: > One of my friends forwarded this message to me from one of his listservs. > I feel certain that it's a hoax, but was curious to see how widely it has > spread--has anyone else seen it? > > -Mike Watson > mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >*** Attention *** > > > >It's that time again! > > > >As many of you know, each leap year the Internet must be shut down for 24 > hours > >in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead > >email and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and > >faster Internet. > > > >This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on Feb. 29 > >until 12:01 a.m. GMT on March 1. During that 24-hour period, five powerful > >Internet-crawling robots situated around the world will search the Internet > and > >delete any data that they find. > > > >In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the > >following: > > > >1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their Internet > > connections. > > > >2. Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the Internet. > > > >3. Disconnect all disks and hardrives from any connections to the Internet. > > > >4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any way. > > > >We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some Internet users, and > >we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconveniences will be more > than > >made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet, once it has > >been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. > > > >We thank you for your cooperation. > > > >Kim Dereksen > >Interconnected Network Maintenance staff > >Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > > >Sysops and others: Since the last Internet cleaning, the number of Internet > >users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the > >upcoming Internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be > able - > >to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and Internet users as > >well. Thank you. > Michael Watson > mwatso@gopher1.library.lsumc.edu > ____________________________________________________________________________ Grace Agnew Assistant Director for System Support & Technical Development Atlanta-Fulton Public Library gagnew@ce1.af.public.lib.ga.us From holtsm at blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Thu Feb 22 10:02:42 1996 From: holtsm at blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (E. Holtsmark) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Web page user statistics Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960222083549.5798E-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> (This message is cross-posted. Please excuse any duplication.) Hello, Your expertise is sought. My question to you is about Web page user statistics. I hope you find this topic fits the list. Do you keep track of who accesses your web page? More specifically, How do you find out who the person is who is using your web page? (an academic, a consumer, a professional, etc.) Has anyone figured out how to determine exactly who a user is? We've heard of using IP addresses or on-page user surveys. What other methods have you come across or used on your web page? Our purpose is to find out who is using the web page in order to better serve the user/client by providing information the user/client finds useful. My management project group wonders what models are currently in use that reveal what types of users are using a specific library web page. Any experts out there? _____________________________________________________________ Eva Holtsmark School of Library & Information Science, MA candidate (May 1996) The University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 52242 eva-holtsmark@uiowa.edu _____________________________________________________________ From chris at sparkie.osl.state.or.us Thu Feb 22 12:10:29 1996 From: chris at sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Web page user statistics Message-ID: <312c932e2be5002@lion.state.or.us> We use wwwstat, which is for Unix and will generate all the statistics you mention. You can use it in conjunction with Gwstat, which allows you to generate a graphical display of your wwwstat generated statistics. Another server statistics program for Unix is getstats, which does much the same as wwwstat, but is not quite as sophisticated. Both programs are free. Send me personal email if you want more info. Christopher Adams Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:24:25 -0800 > Reply-to: holtsm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu > From: "E. Holtsmark" <holtsm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Web page user statistics > (This message is cross-posted. Please excuse any duplication.) > > Hello, > > Your expertise is sought. My question to you is about Web page user > statistics. I hope you find this topic fits the list. > > Do you keep track of who accesses your web page? More specifically, > How do you find out who the person is who is using your web page? (an > academic, a consumer, a professional, etc.) Has anyone figured out how > to determine exactly who a user is? We've heard of using IP addresses or > on-page user surveys. What other methods have you come across or used on > your web page? Our purpose is to find out who is using the web page in > order to better serve the user/client by providing information the > user/client finds useful. > > My management project group wonders what models are currently in use > that reveal what types of users are using a specific library web page. > > Any experts out there? > _____________________________________________________________ > Eva Holtsmark > School of Library & Information Science, MA candidate (May 1996) > The University of Iowa > Iowa City, IA 52242 > eva-holtsmark@uiowa.edu > _____________________________________________________________ > > From pfa at nwu.edu Thu Feb 22 11:44:09 1996 From: pfa at nwu.edu (Pat Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED Message-ID: <v01510111ad524d566aa0@[165.124.50.94]> >(1) To avoid losing your hyperlinks in hard copy, find a friendly > hacker to write a short perl script to convert every instance of: > > <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah</a> > > ...to: > > <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah (<tt>http://blahblah</tt>)</a> HTML Grinder and their *free* plugin, "Find and Replace," does a lovely job of this. Available for downloading from: www.matterform.com Enjoy! Pat Anderson . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson Thought for the Web: Barnes LRC Galter Library / NUMS "Those who believed 303 E. Chicago Ave. shared all things Chicago IL 60611-3008 in common." 312/503-8238, voice 312/503-8028, fax Acts 2:44 Internet: pfa@nwu.edu WWW: http://www.ghsl.nwu.edu/ WWW: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~pfa/pfahome.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Feb 22 11:17:37 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Bogus Internet Scrubbing Message-ID: <ad5246c40902100427ac@[130.191.149.134]> Please don't get this started. It actually became more annoying the the Black Pages controversy. It has been raging for two weeks on the publib listserv. On the good side, it has forced me to learn how to use the "Filter Messages" feature on my e-mail. The mail on these topics hit 30 to 40 a day during their peaks. >One of my friends forwarded this message to me from one of his listservs. >I feel certain that it's a hoax, but was curious to see how widely it has >spread--has anyone else seen it? Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://edweb.sdsu.edu/edfirst/edfirst.html Please remember to support the School/Library Protection Fund -- donate $1 on your California Tax Return. From marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu Thu Feb 22 13:59:31 1996 From: marc at matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Searching your web pages In-Reply-To: iai@neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) "Re: Searching your web pages" (Feb 20, 14:55) References: <199602202246.QAA16998@sam.neosoft.com> Message-ID: <9602221059.ZM29608@matahari.ckm.ucsf.edu> |Other freeWAIS versions exist for other platforms. I'm loking forward to |the release of a Z39.50 version 3 server that is as easy to implement as |freeWAIS, but meanwhile you don't need a team of programmers and gurus to be |standards compliant. WAIS variants do not speak compliant Z39.50-1992 (v2) or 1995 (v3-in ballot now), rather a partial subset of the expired 1988 (v1) specification. Even most all current implementations of the current spec have not implemented the optional explain function (these implementations are not complete but compliant), one that is key in lowering the bar for widespread deployment as explain will allow servers to more fully negotiate queries with clients. But Z39.50 standards compliance is more than having a server that speaks the protocol. You can issue all the type-1 queries you want, but if the indexing behind the search engine doesn't match up to peer Z servers, servers that serve similar content, then you are compliant in providing non-normalized, irregular information. If you have a stateless Z39.50-1992 server operating over a full-text index of your web pages, then you are adding complexity (implementation and support) to your system that does not get leveraged to the distributed information retrieval potential of Z39.50 Standards are essential, but if standards are a hammer, let's remember that all problems are not nails. -marc -- --/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ // Marc Salomon - Software Engineer - Innovative Software Systems Group \\ \\ Library and Center for Knowledge Management - UC, San Francisco // // phone : 415.476.9541 - e-mail : marc@ckm.ucsf.edu - fax: 415.476.4653 \\ \\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\<URL:http://www.ckm.ucsf.edu/marc/>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/// From Marvin at lincc.ccla.lib.fl.us Thu Feb 22 13:43:06 1996 From: Marvin at lincc.ccla.lib.fl.us (Marvin Pollard) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED In-Reply-To: pfa@nwu.edu (Pat Anderson) "Re: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED" (Feb 22, 8:54am) References: <v01510111ad524d566aa0@[165.124.50.94]> Message-ID: <960222144308.ZM2743@screamer.ccla.lib.fl.us> Please note that HTML Grinder is only available for the Macintosh Platform. > The Grinder is a powerful utility to assist Macintosh Webmasters with > intelligent link building. It is not an editor but an incredible > collection of tools for making changes to large groups of HTML > documents all at once. You can drag all your HTML pages onto the > Grinder's icon and use the Plug-In Wheels to automate these > sophisticated tasks: > Find and replace text in each document > Maintain glossaries of replaceable text > Date Stamp your pages automatically > Calculate the Netscape Color Codes for custom background colors > Change the Macintosh Creator Codes of all your documents > Append text to all of your documents at once > Replace chunks of tagged text > Add "Next Page" & "Previous Page" links to each page > Build linked indices and page lists > Create expandable Stretch Lists > Find and replace text in the names of your files Best regards, Marvin Pollard On Feb 22, 8:54am, Pat Anderson wrote: > Subject: Re: processing a web site for paper-based format: INFO NEEDED > >(1) To avoid losing your hyperlinks in hard copy, find a friendly > > hacker to write a short perl script to convert every instance of: > > > > <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah</a> > > > > ...to: > > > > <a href=""http://blahblah">Blah Blah (<tt>http://blahblah</tt>)</a> > > HTML Grinder and their *free* plugin, "Find and Replace," does a > lovely job of this. Available for downloading from: > > www.matterform.com > > Enjoy! > > Pat Anderson > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > P. F. (Pat) Anderson Thought for the Web: > Barnes LRC > Galter Library / NUMS "Those who believed > 303 E. Chicago Ave. shared all things > Chicago IL 60611-3008 in common." > 312/503-8238, voice > 312/503-8028, fax Acts 2:44 > Internet: pfa@nwu.edu > WWW: http://www.ghsl.nwu.edu/ > WWW: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~pfa/pfahome.html > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > >-- End of excerpt from Pat Anderson -- Marvin Pollard [marvin@lincc.ccla.lib.fl.us] Project Development Specialist College Center for Library Automation Tel +1 904 922-6044 1238 Blountstown Highway FAX +1 904 922-6431 Tallahassee, FL 32304 USA In 1982, when asked if the future was now, Buckminster Fuller said "No, the future can't be now, it has to be later than now." From flynn at gaia.lis.uiuc.edu Thu Feb 22 14:48:31 1996 From: flynn at gaia.lis.uiuc.edu (Helen Flynn) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: Is Your Library Providing Services on the Internet? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960222134736.15037L-100000@gaia.lis.uiuc.edu> This announcement has been posted on a number of bulletin boards and mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication you may encounter. Thursday, February 22, 1996 To Our Colleagues in Libraries and Information Centers Around the World. Dear Colleagues: Is Your Library Providing Services on the Internet? If your library is currently offering or will shortly be offering "real" library services over the Internet, we would like to know about it. We will define what "real library services" means in a minute, but first a few introductions are in order. We are Steve Coffman, Director of FYI Information Services at the County of Los Angeles Public Library, and Cindy Kehoe, Director of Information Researchers at the School of Library and Information Science at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Over the next few months, the two of us and our staffs will be working hard to compile the first directory of real library services available on the Internet. The directory will be published by the American Library Association, ALA Editions later this Fall. We will provide more detailed publication information (like, the exact title and price) when it becomes available. The purpose of the Directory is to help some of those 30 million patrons (plus or minus a few million) out there on the "Net" find their way to libraries where they can actually request copies of articles, check out books, order research projects, or get their reference questions answered by a real human being not a FAQ. These services may be offered for free as with the reference services available from the Internet Public Library, or for a fee, as with the services available from FYI, Information Researchers, or the Corporate Information Services at New York Public Library and hundreds of others. However, whether fee or free, all services offered must be available to the general public and not just restricted to the library'’s own patrons, students, staff, faculty, or other local clientele. Your connection to the Internet may be anything from a simple email address where you can receive requests to a full-fledged Web site complete with order forms. We will even include libraries that are offering these services but have not yet made them available over the Internet...as long as they are otherwise qualified for the Directory (please see Qualifications Questionnaire, below). Finally, this is an international directory, and libraries outside the US are particularly encouraged to apply. If your library would like to be included in the Directory, please complete the brief questionnaire below, and then email, fax or mail it back to us at any of the addresses listed at the end of this message. That'’s all there is to it; if we have any questions, or need further information, we will get in touch with you. Later on this Spring we will be launching a Web site for the Directory, where you will be able to register your services right online; stay tuned for further information and the URL. Please feel free to contact us at 1- 800-582-1093 or 310-868-4003 (voice), 310-868-4065 fax or coffman@cerf.net (Internet), if you have any questions, concerns, or simply need more information. We look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Steve Coffman, Director FYI County of Los Angeles Public Library Cindy Kehoe, Director Information Researchers University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. ***************************************************************************** Questionnaire for the Directory of Library Services on the Internet (If you would rather work with a print copy of this form, just give us a call at 1-800-582-1093 and we will fax you one right away). Qualifications Please answer the few questions below to determine whether your library is qualified for inclusion in the directory. A. Are you affiliated with a library or archive? ___ Yes ____No The directory is limited to libraries and archives or services affiliated with libraries or archives only. A library is an institution with a significant collection of books and periodicals and an archive is defined as an institution with a significant collection of historical and or research materials. If you are a private information broker or commercial research company, we suggest that you get in touch with the Burwell Directory of Information Brokers at 713- 537-9051. B. Does your library offer any of the following services? You must offer at least one of these services and offer them to the general public to be included in the directory. ___Document Delivery (rapid delivery of articles, etc. directly to the patron) ___Print or Traditional Library Research Services ___Online or Computer-Assisted Research Services ___Book Loans ___Reference Assistance C. Does your library offer these services to the general public? ___ Yes ____No To be included in the directory, your services must be available to the general public, not just your own patrons or other libraries. The general public means anybody who wants to use them (or in the case of fee-based services, purchase them) regardless of their affiliation with your institution or where they happen to live. You may choose to limit book loans to foreign countries, or impose other reasonable restrictions on your service, as long as you note such restrictions in your entry. If you answered these three questions correctly, congratulations your library qualifies for the directory. Please complete the remainder of this brief survey form and return it to us at any of the addresses listed as quickly as possible. If your library does not currently qualify, please keep us in mind, and if your library does decide to implement these services, we would be happy to include you in future editions of the directory. 2. Contact Information. Service Name Library Address City, St. Zip Country Contact Name Number of Staff Year Founded Languages Phone Phone 2 Fax Internet: URL (for WWW page) Internet: Telnet (for library catalog) Email Library Codes (bibliographic codes) 3. Types of Services Offered. Check all that apply, and provide turnaround and price (where applicable) for all services offered. If this is a fee-based service, please indicate fee-ranges in the spaces provided. If it is a free service, just check the services available and indicate "No Charge" or "N/C". Book Loans ___from this library only ___will obtain from any source Fastest Rush turnaround: Price: Regular turnaround: Price: Article Copies ___from this library only ___will obtain from any source Fastest Rush turnaround: Price: Regular turnaround: Price: Research Services ___Manual / print research ___Database searching research hourly rates exclusive of database charges and costs Fastest Rush turnaround: Price: Regular turnaround: Price: Other (describe) Payment Methods: ___Cash ___Credit Cards ___Invoice ___Currencies Accepted Delivery Options ___Mail ___Fax ___Courier ___Internet 4. Description Of Service Briefly describe your service and your library --100 words max. Number of Books Number of Periodicals: Description of Library and Service: 5. Subject Specialties List up to 5 major subject specialties for your service. That'’s all folks, now all you have to do is... Complete no later than March 8, 1996 and return to: FYI, County of Los Angeles Public Library 12350 Imperial Highway, Norwalk, CA USA 90650 FAX 310-868-4065, voice 1-800-582-1093 or 310-868-4003 Internet E-mail: coffman@cerf.net From staffSG4 at venus.gsd.harvard.edu Thu Feb 22 16:16:37 1996 From: staffSG4 at venus.gsd.harvard.edu (Steve Godfrey) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: w3launch and Netscape 2.0 In-Reply-To: <v02130502ad513ab0bc74@[144.92.107.189]> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960222155810.25550D-100000@venus> On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Peter C. Gorman wrote: > >Is it possible to write an HTML link in a document that will invoke a > >program other than the web browser through which the link is chosen? > > I have written a quick guide for how to do just that, at: > > "Launching CD-ROM or other applications from a Web browser" > http://www.library.wisc.edu/help/tech/launch_info.html Peter's approach, using w3launch, works great in conjunction with Netscape 1.2N. But I can't get it to work with Netscape 2.0 (final release; the platform is Windows 3.1 in both cases). With Netscape 2.0, the errors returned are "Unable to open the file for writing" and then "Failed to create temp file!" Is there anyone who can suggest solution, or a reason why this might be happening in 2.0 and not 1.2? Steve ________________________________________ Steve Godfrey (sgodfrey@gsd.harvard.edu) Automation and Electronic Resources Assistant Frances Loeb Library, Graduate School of Design, Harvard University From chris at sparkie.osl.state.or.us Thu Feb 22 18:58:12 1996 From: chris at sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:29 2005 Subject: wwwstat and Gwstat Message-ID: <312cf2d12ca0002@lion.state.or.us> wwwstat and Gwstat may be used together. wwwstat will analynze an NCSA Httpd server and spit out statistics, including ip address accesses, access by day, month, time of day, number of hits on certain links, etc. Gwstat can be used to produce graphs of the stats generated by wwwstat. wwwstat can be found at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/WebSoft/wwwstat/ or by anonymous ftp at: ftp://liege.ics.uci.edu/pub/arcadia/wwwstat/ Gwstat can be found at: http://dis.cs.umass.edu/stats/gwstat.html Christopher Adams Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu Fri Feb 23 11:54:48 1996 From: guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Laura Guy) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:32 2005 Subject: update on "processing a web site for 'standalone' use" (formerly 'for paper-based format') In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960221104651.1525B-100000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> from "The Big Glee Bopper" at Feb 21, 96 08:19:31 am Message-ID: <9602231654.AA04319@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1388 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960223/35c2d215/attachment.bat From list at index.ping.dk Fri Feb 23 12:50:20 1996 From: list at index.ping.dk (Index Data) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:32 2005 Subject: Z39.50 and the World Wide Web Message-ID: <m0tq1dN-000161C@index.ping.dk> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 10043 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960223/e5892bc4/attachment.bat From rmiller at wyld.carl.org Fri Feb 23 14:47:48 1996 From: rmiller at wyld.carl.org (Rod Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:32 2005 Subject: Netscape 2.0 / Win95 /Postscript Problems Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960223122931.3985C-100000@denver> I have encounted what appears to be a serious "bug" with Netscape's Navigator 2.0 version. I have searched the Netscape Support site trying to locate any information, and nothing. This is the problem: When viewing any form, netscape mail's client--basically any user-input form/field -- the font display goes nuts, and and attempt to type will display only a few characters. I am using Windows95, and I do have postscript printer dirvers loaded on the same workstation. Has anyone else witnessed this? I was using one of the beta versions (can't recall which), of Navigator at one time, and did not see this problem at all. Then I downloaded n32e20.exe and now I can't seem to shake this problem. I have tried tweaking the character encoding, fonts, you name it...no change. I have even removed my Postscript print driver. Still nothing. Is there something in editing the Windows 95 registry that I should target. Any clues, guesses. I've gone back to the 16bit version, and do not suffer the same problem. Also Mosaic 32bit 2.0 works just fine! I told that to Netscape, too, but thus far it doesn't seem to have motivated them the least bit in responding to my bug report. Rod Miller Wyoming State Library rmiller@wyld.carl.org From iblj at ruby.ils.unc.edu Fri Feb 23 16:05:20 1996 From: iblj at ruby.ils.unc.edu (Jane Ibl) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:32 2005 Subject: North Carolina Archives/MSS Repositories on the Web Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960223155523.21158A-100000@ruby.ils.unc.edu> *** apologies for cross-posting to multiple lists *** As part of the data collection phase of work on my master's paper, I am compiling a list of archives and manuscript repositories in North Carolina that have Web sites and/or gopher sites. I'm including academic, corporate, institutional, and government sites, as well as historical societies and museum collections. I've found a relatively small number so far and I'm sure that there must be more out there that I haven't been able to locate. If you can help, please send the URL of your site's home page or gopher to me at: iblj@ruby.ils.unc.edu. I would appreciate hearing about your experiences in creating a web site for your collection as well as the criteria that were used in its design. Also, in searching for literature on archives and manuscript repositories that have made use of the Web and Internet, I've found very little. Can anyone suggest some relevant articles on the subject (not necessarily limited to archives in North Carolina) Thank you all for your assistance. - Jane Ibl -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= School of Information and Library Science University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 100 Manning Hall, CB #3360 Chapel Hill, NC 27514-3360 iblj@ruby.ils.unc.edu http://ils.unc.edu/~iblj/jhi2.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From rcl at Onramp.NET Sat Feb 24 11:11:49 1996 From: rcl at Onramp.NET (Roy Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:33 2005 Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! Message-ID: <199602241611.KAA24540@mailhost.onramp.net> We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program use. I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be able to control it and provide password protection for areas as needed. Can anyone or any company provide what we need? Roy Lewis rcl@onramp.net ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** From george_porter at library.lib.ncsu.edu Sat Feb 24 12:35:57 1996 From: george_porter at library.lib.ncsu.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:33 2005 Subject: Call for Posters - ACRL STS Message-ID: <n1386956066.15601@library.lib.ncsu.edu> Mail*Link(r) SMTP Call for Posters - ACRL STS Program Planning Comm. 1996 Are you a leader in developing elements of the scholar's workstation? The Science & Technology section of the ACRL 1996 Program Planning Committee is soliciting poster sessions to complement the program, "Leaders on the Web Trail--Redefining the Scholar's Workstation," to be held on Monday, July 8, 1996, 8:30 am to 12:30 pm in New York City. Lap-top computers, posters, slides, and other self-contained presentations are appropriate. Of particular interest are elements of a scholar's workstation such as web gateways to virtual libraries, knowledge management facilities within a library, or any example of how librarians are catalyzing efforts to enhance access, manipulation, or contributing to the scholarly record. Send a brief proposal to Marilyn Von Seggern at m_vonseggern@wsu.edu by Friday, March 1, 1996. Program Speakers: Al Cage, Stephen F. Austin University Pat Kreitz, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Library Paul Jones, Institute for Advanced Technology in the Humanities at University of Virginia Program moderator: Gail Clement, Florida International University From rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net Sat Feb 24 15:11:31 1996 From: rhterry at RBSE.Mountain.Net (Robert H. Terry) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:33 2005 Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! In-Reply-To: <199602241611.KAA24540@mailhost.onramp.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960224150022.7952A-100000@rbse> Hi, In our current configuration control board teleconferenses, one of the proposals on the table is a PC based HTML code generator, which may provide some part of your problem set. This research is NASA funded and therefore available at this point as a free service. Provide me diredtly or as a thread on this list server with your response on this matter. On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Roy Lewis wrote: > > We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from > Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked > ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will > control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These > computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be > controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the > Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program > use. > > I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be > able to control it and provide password protection for areas as > needed. > > Can anyone or any company provide what we need? > > Roy Lewis > rcl@onramp.net > > ***** > http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm > http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm > 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu > ***** > ***** > http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm > http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm > 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu > ***** > > From rdebrece at scu.edu.au Sat Feb 24 16:22:45 1996 From: rdebrece at scu.edu.au (Roger Debreceny) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:33 2005 Subject: CFP-AusWeb96, 2nd Australian Web Conference, Gold Coast 7/96 - Papers due soon! Message-ID: <v02120d05ad551f8ead6d@[205.162.63.173]> Call for Papers - AusWeb96 - The Second Australian World Wide Web Conference Call for Papers - AusWeb96 - The Second Australian World Wide Web Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cross-posted to a number of Lists and Newsgroups AUSWEB96 AusWeb96 is the Second Australian World Wide Web conference, and will be held at Conrad Jupiters Hotel on the beautiful Gold Coast from 7-9 July 1996. The conference is organised by Southern Cross University and is the premier Australian Web conference of the year. Full details on keynote speakers, workshops, special interest group meetings, physical and virtual exhibitions, Virtual Edition, social activities, the conference hotel and the Gold Coast as well as guidelines on the preparation of papers and posters and pointers to the more than 50 papers presented at AusWeb95 are at the home page: http://www.scu.edu.au/ausweb96/ PAPERS AND POSTERS - DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION OF PAPERS FAST APPROACHING!! AusWeb96 has been designed to be inclusive of *all* strands of thought and development within the Web community. It will address four major themes: o Business Opportunities o Education and Learning o Technical Futures o Media, Cultural and Community Issues Within each theme there are full refereed papers which will be published in the conference proceedings, on CD-ROM and on the Web and poster presentations. Full papers or extended abstracts are due on **1 MARCH**, although we'll be accepting late submissions until mid-March. The deadline for submission of posters is 1 May. Each of the themes has its own theme editor(s) who guide the production of papers and posters and who are happy to chat with you by email about your paper or poster. Again, full details on submission of papers are at the home page. KEYNOTE SPEAKERS AusWeb96 features a team of seven world class keynote speakers. Bill Arms of the Corporation for National Research Initiatives in Washington DC will be speaking on digital libraries and information provision; Nick Arnett of Verity Corporation in California on Massively Parallel Wetware; Evan Arthur of DEET in Canberra will provide an update on the EDNA network; Hermann Maurer of Graz University will talk about second generation Web systems; Jim Miller of MIT and the W3 Consortium will give us an insight into the work of the Consortium; Nancy Rhine, Director of Womens Programming at America OnLine and founder of Women's Wire will discuss Building Communities of Women on the Web and Arie Segev of the Walter A Haas School of Business at the University of California at Berkeley will address issues of electronic commerce. WORKSHOPS AusWeb96 has *seventeen* pre-conference workshops brought to you by the best presenters in the Web world in Australia and overseas. Just some of the issues you can learn about at an AusWeb96 workshop include copyright, web page design, VRML, the Web and K12 education, interfacing databases with the Web .. and our friends at Bond University will be presenting hands-on workshops on Netscape, Java, CGI Programming and Web page publishing. OTHER FEATURES OF AUSWEB96 Check out the home page for details on our Special Interest Group Meetings, the conference exhibition, Virtual Edition and our "Competitions and Prizes" programme. To receive regular email updates on AusWeb96, please send an email to: listproc@scu.edu.au with the text: subscribe ausweb-l yourfirstname yourlastname Please do not hesitate to email the conference team at <ausweb96@scu.edu.au> for any further information or to receive a copy of the conference brochure. Roger Debreceny on behalf of the AusWeb96 team of Allan Ellis, Julie Burton and Joanne McMurtry -- Roger Debreceny, | Email: rdebrece@scu.edu.au Director, ANet, Intl Acctg N'wrk| AusWeb96, 2nd Australian Web Conference Southern Cross University, Aust | 7-9 July '96, Gold Coast, Queensland On sabbatical at Haas School of | See => http://www.scu.edu.au/ausweb96/ Business, UC Berkeley, CA 94720 | Phone: (510) 526 7218 From 4lib at maris.indiv.nluug.nl Fri Feb 23 21:51:05 1996 From: 4lib at maris.indiv.nluug.nl (L.J. Maris) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:35 2005 Subject: Photo CD Images Message-ID: <825112265@maris> Dan, I have experimented with PhotoCD slides too. I used Photomagic 1.0 from Micrografx. (Part of the Designer 4.0 package.) I also used an Apple Quicktake 100. From the replies I learned that Paint Shop Pro (I use version 3) also reads PhotoCD, so I had a look at that too. I have only incidental experience with scanning. From that I learned that having the right settings is critical. Therefore the tuning takes time. In my experience the PhotoCD is more practical. It is storage too, and less hassle than scanning. At the resolution one uses for web pages I did not find much difference between the Apple camera and the PhotoCD. As far as the software is concerned, Photomagic will offer you the full detail mode too and will always prompt for the desired resolution. In Paint Shop Pro the default is medium resolution, but this can be set in the preferences/misc. section. You should realise that working with resolutions higher than medium, having a lot of memory (at least 8MB) is needed to make it workable. But that also holds for scans. On my machine PSP produced errors due to a lack of memory. I hope my reaction is of use to you. Leo. Leo Maris | Home is where I read my mail Informatie-ontwerp/informatie-ergonomie | ook free-lance Soendastraat 7, 2612 EK Delft | tel/fax 015 - 2137391 | http://www.bart.nl/~maris/leocv.html | leo@maris.indiv.nluug.nl From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Sun Feb 25 23:20:18 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:35 2005 Subject: Beta 1 of Netscape Support for Java on Macs Released! (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960225201933.17996A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Self-explanatory. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:23:23 -0800 From: Ian Crew <icrew@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu> To: magnet@tuna.Berkeley.EDU Cc: rescomp-tech@uclink.berkeley.edu Subject: Beta 1 of Netscape Support for Java on Macs Released! Hi all-- Check out: ftp://ftp12.netscape.com/pub/MacJava/ (It's only for PowerMacs right now, but 68K-based support is coming....) Ian _____________________________________________________________________________ | "Dance to it, Sing to it, Love, Cry, Remember |Ian Crew | | when, Imagine if, Wonder Why" -Anonymous |icrew@cory.EECS.berkeley.EDU| |________________________________________________|____________________________| From sjb5 at cornell.edu Mon Feb 26 09:51:29 1996 From: sjb5 at cornell.edu (Susan Barnes) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Symposium in April Message-ID: <v02110201ad57429ee376@[128.253.78.76]> THE SUCCESSFUL LIBRARY: CLASSIC PRINCIPLES, MODERN PRACTICES ---> A Symposium on Creating the 21st Century Library <--- April 22 - 24, 1996 Learn to apply classic principles of librarianship to digital information. In this symposium we will examine the essential questions surrounding the management of the digital component of a successful library. THE CHALLENGE: Digital information is fundamental to research, business, and teaching. Libraries are challenged to integrate information in both analog and digital form -- not to treat the digital format as an idiosyncratic "add-on" but instead to involve all levels of staff, from all specialties, in its acquisition, organization, and management. The classic vision of a library features a cohesive collection that is: -- carefully selected, organized, and maintained; -- representative of a variety of genres of information; -- easily accessible; and -- accompanied by expert user assistance and instruction. This serves as a valuable metaphor for facing the electronic library challenge. Classic library principles provide a framework for: -- knitting disparate electronic library projects together, -- involving all staff in electronic library initiatives, and -- expanding the digital component of collections and services. MEETING THE CHALLENGE: Learn to integrate the digital format into your library's day-to-day operations during 2 1/2 days of lectures, small-group discussions, and hands-on sessions. The focus will be on proven strategies, practical information, and management techniques. This symposium will prepare you to create a true "library of the future" using classical principles of librarianship. It will cover the areas of selection, acquisitions, cataloging, user support, and information technology, with topics such as: -- Selection in the Networked World -- Acquiring the Electronic Library -- Challenges of Full-text and Numeric Resources -- Data Visualization -- Promise and Pitfalls -- Beyond MARC: Providing Depth to the Online Catalog -- Delivery of Information through a Web Gateway -- Web Search Engine Comparison -- User Support and Instruction -- Building a Technical Infrastructure -- Developing Technology Skills in Staff INTENDED AUDIENCE: Sessions are targeted towards managers, decision-makers, and other library professionals who are ready to build a successful 21st century library. Course content will focus on the medium- to large- sized research library environment. PREREQUISITES: Familiarity with microcomputers and basic software; accessing electronic information via the Internet; and using the World-Wide Web. INSTRUCTORS: Staff members of Cornell University's Mann Library. Mann was the first winner of the ALA/Meckler "Library of the Future Award" in 1993. Recently it was featured in a series of articles in volume 12, issue #3 of Library Hi Tech. Mann's electronic library (http://www.mannlib.cornell.edu) has been on the Net since 1991 and includes the USDA Economics and Statistics system along with hundreds of other resources. Mann's staff collaborated with Bell Communications Research and the American Chemical Society in the Chemical Online Retrieval Project; wrote "Public Access Microcomputers in Academic Libraries" (Chicago: ALA, 1987); and this year completed the 7-volume "Literature of the Agriculture Sciences" in collaboration with the Rockefeller Foundation and the National Agricultural Library. ------------------- REGISTRATION INFORMATION: THE SUCCESSFUL LIBRARY: CLASSIC PRINCIPLES, MODERN PRACTICES ---> A Symposium on Creating the 21st Century Library <--- April 22 - 24, 1996 Attendance is limited to 60 people. Location: Cornell University, Statler Hotel and Conference Center, Ithaca, NY Price: $185 if you register by March 31; $200 if registration is received after March 31. (Price includes conference, lunches, breaks, reception, and a dinner.) To register, notify Sharon Van De Mark at -- http://www.mannlib.cornell.edu/conference.html, OR -- smv1@cornell.edu, OR -- (607)255-7956 (phone), OR -- (607)255-0318) (fax). Supply your name, institutional affiliation, mailing address, email address, and fax number. After notifying us that you plan to attend, your payment is required within 10 working days to retain your reservation. Please send checks (payable to "Cornell University") to Sharon Van De Mark at 310 Mann Library, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853. We will then send you a complete registration packet. Hotel price: Not included in conference fee; participants must make their own reservations. Rooms at Cornell's Statler Hotel are available at a library conference rate of $80 single occupancy, $90 double occupancy. Phone (800)541-2501 for room reservations at the Statler Hotel; indicate that you will be attending the Mann Library Conference. [Apologies for repetition due to cross-posting] Susan Barnes Assistant to the Director Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (607)254-4993 From hust0011 at gold.tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 13:55:10 1996 From: hust0011 at gold.tc.umn.edu (Josh Huston) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Which machine should HTTPD be served off? Message-ID: <3131e5ed1b39002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu> Can you help me here... we were having a major disputation about which httpd server is better in terms of reliablity, speed, CGI scripts and how stable the software is. I say nay to httpd server served off the PC machines. I'm currently running my server off the AIX Unix system and is very reliable. However, we are encountering space problems and one of our information system specialists said that we should divide up some resources, some on the AIX and others on his PC machine. I am totally opposed to the idea in terms of potential heavy traffic and it is known that the httpd server crash on PC machine more frequently than the more stable httpd software on AIX. And also, his machine may not be available at some period of time while the AIX machine is available 24 hours a day. In short, I need to prepare a short presentation to those specialist about the advantage of using more stable software and server. They refuse to listen to me merely because they're a college graduate and I'm only a student. So please give me some input! I will be greatly appreciated! I will gather all replies and produce a summary and post it here. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Huston Internet: hust0011@gold.tc.umn.edu University of Minnesota Libraries libts@gold.tc.umn.edu WWW Developer & CGI Programmer 160 Wilson Library Phone: (612) 625-4343 Minneapolis, MN 55455 Fax: (612) 625-3428 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Feb 26 13:38:15 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Reference Center Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960226103617.29047E-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Due to a wonderful response from Web4Lib subsribers to the message below, I have added a number of resources to the Web4Lib Reference Center. Those who suggested additions include (and please forgive me if I have overlooked your contribution!) Carole Leita, Brian Nielsen, Nicole Hennig, and Rob Aken. Please keep them coming! Thanks, Roy Tennant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:12:23 -0800 From: Roy Tennant <rtennant@library.berkeley.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Subject: Web4Lib Reference Center Gentle Subscribers, Peter Gorman's recent message on his document about how to launch applications from a Web browser finally prompted me to put together a Web4Lib page that points to this document as well as others that have been announced on this forum. I have called it "The Library Web Manager's Reference Center" and it is available from the Web4Lib Web page (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/) or directly at: http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Web4Lib/faq.html I request your assistance on pointing out my omissions, and I apologize in advance for overlooking anyone at this early hour (I am not responsible for my actions prior to my regular dose of caffeine). Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From isjrk at emory.edu Mon Feb 26 09:16:22 1996 From: isjrk at emory.edu (Jim Kruse) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Which machine should HTTPD be served off? Message-ID: <SIMEON.9602261422.D@muahost.emory.edu> In most cases you need to decide what you want are trying to accomplish and find the environment that fits it. For being able to index and have search capability you want to try and have a single server. Fragmenting for short term convenience will hurt you later. In many cases you can build a network(Web) of servers, but it should be a planned Web based on what you want to present and how you plan to support it. It is my opinion that you should never, unless there is no other way, run critical shared resources on a individuals workstation. There are many Web/Internet solutions available. Since you seem to have a growing environment you need to plan for the growth. Unless you plan to build a lot of processing in to the server, indexing, high volume searching, etc, then the processor is not as important as the speed of access to the data. Both UNIX and Windows NT provide very capable Web environments on relatively low end processors. Plan for the ease of access for maintenance and support but use a HTTP server that is going to provide you with support and assistance, whether from a vendor or your local support community. On 26 Feb 1996 Josh Huston <hust0011@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote: > Can you help me here... we were having a major disputation about which > httpd server is better in terms of reliablity, speed, CGI scripts and how > stable the software is. I say nay to httpd server served off the PC > machines. I'm currently running my server off the AIX Unix system and is > very reliable. However, we are encountering space problems and one of > our information system specialists said that we should divide up some > resources, some on the AIX and others on his PC machine. I am totally > opposed to the idea in terms of potential heavy traffic and it is known > that the httpd server crash on PC machine more frequently than the more > stable httpd software on AIX. And also, his machine may not be > available at some period of time while the AIX machine is available 24 > hours a day. In short, I need to prepare a short presentation to those > specialist about the advantage of using more stable software and server. > They refuse to listen to me merely because they're a college graduate > and I'm only a student. So please give me some input! I will be greatly > appreciated! I will gather all replies and produce a summary and post it > here. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Josh Huston Internet: hust0011@gold.tc.umn..edu > University of Minnesota Libraries libts@gold.tc.umn.edu > WWW Developer & CGI Programmer > 160 Wilson Library Phone: (612) 625-4343 > Minneapolis, MN 55455 Fax: (612) 625-3428 > > > Jim Kruse Senior Computing Support Consultant Computing Resource Services Information Technology Division Emory University isjrk@emory.edu 404-727-7656 404-727-2282 FAX From iai at neosoft.com Mon Feb 26 17:32:03 1996 From: iai at neosoft.com (Kevin C. Marsh) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Z39.50 and the World Wide Web Message-ID: <199602262232.QAA09283@sam.neosoft.com> >Through our work for the EC libraries programme "ARCA" project, we >have come face-to-face with some of the issues of Z39.50 compared with >and opposed to the WWW. We have put together some initial thoughts on >an integration path for Z39.50 and the WWW. More specifically, we have >thought about what each of the environments might stand to gain from a >greater level of integration with the other. > >Comments and discussion are invited. Bravo! A very cogent analysis of the existing/potential relationship between the Web and Z39.50. I'm a bit concerned about your statements regarding the intergration of Z39.50 client capability into Web browsers. "Again, static documents containing Z39.50 URLs will provide an increasingly important means of discovering and accessing information resources, as WWW- browsers with Z39.50 client-capabilities become commonplace." It is my impression that this is NOT happening, and will not happen short of significant public demand. Netscape in particular has stated that it has no plans to support additional protocols, relying on Java applets or similar add-ons instead. Java's security provisions make it a poor choice for a Z39.50 client. I agree that Z39.50-enabled Web browsers would be good but I don't think we can assume they will be commonplace, or even available. This leaves us with the need for CGI gateways between the web browsers and the Z39.50 databases. Instead of a Z39.50 URL I send a command-line string with host, port, and database information to the nearest available Z39.50 client CGI script. I'm not saying that this is the optimal way to do it, just the best I can come up with for now. I'd be interested to hear what solutions others propose. P.S. I looked at the Web site in your signature (http://www.index.dk or http://130.225.252.168), and I'm impressed. I'll be testing your Zebra Z39.50 server soon. It appears to have the flexible tools for identifying document structure and fielded information that Isite lacks. Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director Information Access Institute IAI@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~iai From bsargeant at CI.Springfield.OR.US Mon Feb 26 17:52:00 1996 From: bsargeant at CI.Springfield.OR.US (SARGEANT Brad C) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:37 2005 Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! Message-ID: <313238C7@RISMTP01.RIS.OR.GOV> On Feb 24th Roy Lewis wrote: ---------- From: web4lib To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! Date: Saturday, February 24, 1996 8:26AM We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program use. I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be able to control it and provide password protection for areas as needed. Can anyone or any company provide what we need? Roy Lewis rcl@onramp.net ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** [[ SECGP115.ZIP : 3630 in SECGP115.ZIP ]] I'm not sure if this attachment will forward properly. It is a terrific little freeware program called Secure Group. We have had good success with it. If you can't retreive the file contact me directly at bsargeant@ci.springfield.or.us. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 31956 bytes Desc: SECGP115.ZIP Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960226/62e7b766/attachment.obj From rmiller at wyld.carl.org Mon Feb 26 18:35:32 1996 From: rmiller at wyld.carl.org (Rod Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:38 2005 Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! In-Reply-To: <313238C7@RISMTP01.RIS.OR.GOV> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960226162350.28261A-100000@denver> On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, SARGEANT Brad C wrote: We've just finished testing practically every Windows/DOS based PC desktop security software application we could turn up. The top three finishers in this order: 1). Integrity Hyper Technologies, Inc. 1122 Fir Ave. Blaine, WA 98230 (604) 945-4233 Contact: Denny Kirk Doesn't get much more secure this this. Single solution to secure any/all Windows apps, files, including hard drive restrictions to a particular subdirectory. 2). Fortres Grand Corp. Fortres 101 P.O. Box 688 Plymouth, IN 46563 (800) 331-0372 Very good protection for Windows Program manager, but lacking some of the extreme measures found in Integrity. 3). Direct Access for Window 1.4 Very easy, but no restrictions to hard drive from within applications (i.e. word processors, web browser, etc). Evidently, Symantec made a windows version. We obtained our from one of our member libraries. Who know if it is still being developed. Both Integrity and Fortres shipped us eval copies of their software within the same week we requested it. Very good site-license terms for both. Integrity is already scheduling a Win95 release. We're trying to secure 400-500 PCs accross the state of Wyoming, and wanted something we wouldn't have to spend more time setting up and maintaining, than restoring hard drives. Hope this helps. Rod Miller, Wyoming State Library rmiller@wyld.car;l.orf (307) 777-6258 > > We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from > Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked > ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will > control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These > computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be > controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the > Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program > use. > > I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be > able to control it and provide password protection for areas as > needed. > > Can anyone or any company provide what we need? > > Roy Lewis > rcl@onramp.net > > ***** > http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm > http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm > 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu > ***** > ***** > http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm > http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm > 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu > ***** > > [[ SECGP115.ZIP : 3630 in SECGP115.ZIP ]] > > I'm not sure if this attachment will forward properly. It is a terrific > little freeware program called Secure Group. We have had good success with > it. 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Message-ID: <v02130502ad57f6145238@[166.84.252.101]> what i did not need is a file dumped on my drive can we please give a url or something. >--Boundary (ID REbhG1ytDy9egRO3glHRxQ) >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > > >On Feb 24th Roy Lewis wrote: > ---------- >From: web4lib >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! >Date: Saturday, February 24, 1996 8:26AM > > >We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from >Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked >ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will >control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These >computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be >controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the >Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program >use. > >I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be >able to control it and provide password protection for areas as >needed. > >Can anyone or any company provide what we need? > >Roy Lewis >rcl@onramp.net > >***** >http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm >http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm >214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu >***** >***** >http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm >http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm >214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu >***** > >[[ SECGP115.ZIP : 3630 in SECGP115.ZIP ]] > >I'm not sure if this attachment will forward properly. It is a terrific >little freeware program called Secure Group. We have had good success with >it. If you can't retreive the file contact me directly at >bsargeant@ci.springfield.or.us. > > >--Boundary (ID REbhG1ytDy9egRO3glHRxQ) >Content-type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME=SECGP115.ZIP >Content-description: SECGP115.ZIP >Content-transfer-encoding: X-UUENCODE > >The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful >transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. > > >--Boundary (ID REbhG1ytDy9egRO3glHRxQ)-- > >Attachment converted: Kira Toy:SECGP115.ZIP (????/----) (000039C7) kiratoy@panix.com ------------------- http://www.panix.com/~kiratoy kiratoy@kiratoy.com ------------------ http://www.kiratoy.com kiratoy@groundzero.com ------------- [ web site under dev ] \\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\/// - Your imagination is the playground for genius.... - sjpw 3.96 || content development for the world wide web. From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Feb 26 19:10:17 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:38 2005 Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960226160853.28605A-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Since not everyone has access to "uudecode" to translate this attachment, I have edited the message in the archive to include a link to the decoded attached file (in PC "zip" form), and the file itself can be downloaded directly using this address: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9602/SECGP115.ZIP Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:14:15 -0800 From: SARGEANT Brad C <bsargeant@CI.Springfield.OR.US> To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> Subject: RE: Need Windows Menu program for Public! --Boundary (ID REbhG1ytDy9egRO3glHRxQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN On Feb 24th Roy Lewis wrote: ---------- From: web4lib To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Need Windows Menu program for Public! Date: Saturday, February 24, 1996 8:26AM We need a program that works like Direct Access for Windows from Symantic. There was only one version 1.0 ever created but it worked ok. Symantic has discontinued it and we need something that will control Windows access and functions when used for public use. These computers will be placed in a Public Library and need to be controlled. Direct Access for Dos is still available but not the Windows version. We also need to gather some statistics on program use. I know that you can control each area but I need one program to be able to control it and provide password protection for areas as needed. Can anyone or any company provide what we need? Roy Lewis rcl@onramp.net ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** ***** http://link.tsl.texas.gov/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** [[ SECGP115.ZIP : 3630 in SECGP115.ZIP ]] I'm not sure if this attachment will forward properly. It is a terrific little freeware program called Secure Group. We have had good success with it. If you can't retreive the file contact me directly at bsargeant@ci.springfield.or.us. --Boundary (ID REbhG1ytDy9egRO3glHRxQ) Content-type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME=SECGP115.ZIP Content-description: SECGP115.ZIP Content-transfer-encoding: X-UUENCODE The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. 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I am new to this list, and may have missed previous discussions on this topic. I am looking for information on digital libraries, specifically--is there any _public library_ out there in the process of digitizing all or part of its collection? There are a lot of large institutions currently engaged in digital library projects, but I am trying to obtain information on small scale endeavours. Any practical information/contacts/advice would be greatly appreciated. Please mail any messages to the address below. Thank you in advance! ----------------------------------------- Jennifer Gray School of Library & Information Studies Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia JLGRAY@is.dal.ca ----------------------------------------- From b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 04:18:48 1996 From: b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk (Brian Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <199602280923.JAA00170@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:47:11 -0800 > Reply-to: jmc@poe.acc.virginia.edu > From: Jim Campbell <jmc@poe.acc.virginia.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: HTML -> >- Printed Copy > MICROSOFT EXTENDS TRUETYPE FONTS TO THE WEB, ENABLING RICHER WEB PAGES > > Forty Industry Leaders Including Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia and Oracle > Support Solution Based on Industry-Standard TrueType Technology > > BOSTON, Feb. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) > today announced that its TrueType(R) font technology has been extended > to the World Wide Web, allowing designers to create great-looking Web > pages that consumers can view -- even if they haven't bought the > specific typefaces for their PCs. Forty industry leaders -- including Notice this says "for their PCs". The Web was developed to provide a platform-independent information system. Should libraries be throwing away this patform independence by getting into bed with Mr Gates?! Brian Kelly -------------------------------------------------- Brian Kelly Netskills - see http://www.netskills.ac.uk/ Computing Service University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne B.Kelly@newcastle.ac.uk NE1 7RU 0191 222 5002 From pem at po.CWRU.Edu Tue Feb 27 15:42:27 1996 From: pem at po.CWRU.Edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: NEEDED: HTTP server error definitions In-Reply-To: <9602271940.AA12914@kramer.ume.maine.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960227154157.27167I-100000@sr75> I'd recommend going right to the source (the standards document, in this case): http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/spec.html#Status-Codes Peter On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Jen McLeod wrote: > Hello! Can anyone tell me where to find a listing of > definitions of the various HTTP server errors one runs > into on the WWW? (404, 601, etc. etc. You know the > ones I mean! :) ) > > Thank you very much! > *************************************** > Jen "there can be only one" McLeod > University of Maine Fogler Library > http://libinfo.ume.maine.edu/~mcleodj/ > > "If you insist on dating younger men, expect some immaturity. > Just like dating older men." > -- Peter Murray, Senior Systems Analyst pem@po.cwru.edu Library Information Technologies http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-8989 From tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu Wed Feb 28 08:05:09 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <01BB05B3.7B9B97E0@grey.ohiolink.edu> >> BOSTON, Feb. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) >> today announced that its TrueType(R) font technology has been extended >> to the World Wide Web, allowing designers to create great-looking Web >> pages that consumers can view -- even if they haven't bought the >> specific typefaces for their PCs. Forty industry leaders -- including >Notice this says "for their PCs". The Web was developed to provide >a platform-independent information system. Should libraries >be throwing away this patform independence by getting into bed >with Mr Gates?! Ooh, let's all bash Microsoft. C'mon--vent, people! Now let's read ALL of the first paragraph from this press release: "The TrueType-for-the-Web solution will include...a royalty-free cross-platform licensing program for Microsoft's high-performance TrueType rasterizer, which allows all platforms to support TrueType technology." Thomas Dowling (Strongly suspecting that the future of the net involves getting into bed with either Mr. Gates or Mr. Andreesen, and neither one has even bought me dinner yet.) From mac at pcl-a100.lib.utexas.edu Wed Feb 28 07:38:44 1996 From: mac at pcl-a100.lib.utexas.edu (Mark McFarland) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: METADATA Question References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960221222946.13482B-100000@rbse> Message-ID: <31344CD4.167E@pcl-a100.lib.utexas.edu> Robert H. Terry wrote: > Bob Terry's BIDM Motion passed by IEEE (as submitted by RIG), > > It is now an IEEE standard produced by RIG, it is the BIDM for software > reuse, it represents a consensus amongst software libraries for a Standard > data model of METADATA. Bob, There is lots of discussion about metadata among librarians and much of it centers on how to/whether or not to/is it appropriate to/ adapt MARC standard to metadata for digital objects. There are a number of efforts (and I just learned about 2 more from you) to handle the problem of creating metadata for digital objects. The ones I am aware of are the Dienst protocol (http://www.ncstrl.org/Dienst/htdocs/Info/protocol4.html) being used by the NCSTRL project which - which deals with publishing/ cataloging computer science technical reports. Then, there is the Los Alamos project (http://xxx.lanl.gov/) which is an e-print archive with its own scheme for handling electronic texts related to physics. There is the GILS (Government Information Locator Service that has developed its own method for handling metadata for the objects and resources it wishes to index. Then, there is MARC (machine readable cataloging http://lcweb.loc.gov/marc/) which has been an essential tool for catalogers in creating digital records for *traditionally printed* materials. Anyway, this is where I am focussing my attention more and more as we build our digital library. Hope this sheds some light... Mark Mark McFarland Head, Electronic Information Programs Office University of Texas at Austin, General Libraries 512-495-4358 / mac@eipo.lib.utexas.edu From henthrne at firestone.Princeton.EDU Wed Feb 28 09:04:20 1996 From: henthrne at firestone.Princeton.EDU (Eileen Henthorne) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: Job Posting Message-ID: <9602281404.AA24234@ccsp1> PLEASE POST PRINCETON UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY Position: Library Systems Analyst/Microcomputer Support Specialist, Professional Technical Staff Member I or II Available: Immediately Description: Reporting to the Systems Librarian, and working closely with other Systems Office staff, performs troubleshooting and upgrading of microcomputer and peripheral hardware and software throughout the libraries. Prepares new configurations and performs new installations. Creates and writes batch files for software management, networking, loading and unloading software, as well as scripts for facilitating end user access. Training of library staff in the use of microcomputer hardware and software will be another important responsibility. The person selected will share on-call work for the Libraries' systems with four other systems staff. Qualifications: MLS from ALA accredited library school or a B.S. in Computer Science or a combination of relevant experience. The position requires knowledge of microcomputer hardware and software. Knowledge of DOS/Microsoft Windows environments are essential, as is knowledge of microcomputer memory management and networking (especially TCP/IP). Knowledge of OS2 is highly desirable, since the Library will be deploying many workstations using OS2. Familiarity with UNIX, Macintosh, and other operating systems is helpful. Demonstrated relevant experience with microcomputers. Demonstrated knowledge of libraries and library service needs, both staff needs and user needs. Ability to work well with all levels of Library staff. Ability to communicate clearly both orally and in writing. Familiarity with Internet browsers and ability to search the Internet. Ability to lift and move heavy computer equipment required. Benefits: Twenty-four (24) vacation days a year, plus eleven (11) paid holidays. Annuity program (TIAA/CREF), group life insurance, health coverage insurance, and disability insurance, all paid for by the University. Salary & Rank: Dependent upon qualifications and experience. To ensure full consideration, candidates should send applications, including resume and the names, titles, addresses and phone numbers of three references to be contacted, postmarked by March 29, 1996 , to: Search Committee for Library Systems Microcomputer Support Specialist c/o Maria G. Gopel, Human Resources Librarian, Princeton University Libraries, One Washington Road, Princeton, New Jersey 08544 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER. From b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 09:28:25 1996 From: b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk (Brian Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <199602281433.OAA00275@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> > >> BOSTON, Feb. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) > >> today announced that its TrueType(R) font technology has been extended > >> to the World Wide Web, allowing designers to create great-looking Web > >> pages that consumers can view -- even if they haven't bought the > >> specific typefaces for their PCs. Forty industry leaders -- including > > >Notice this says "for their PCs". The Web was developed to provide > >a platform-independent information system. Should libraries > >be throwing away this patform independence by getting into bed > >with Mr Gates?! > > Ooh, let's all bash Microsoft. C'mon--vent, people! Oops, I didn't want to start a flame war. I'm not one of those Linux or Mac types - I've got a nice 16 Mb pentium with WInodws 95 and am running the Windows 95 Office suite. > Now let's read ALL of the first paragraph from this press > release: "The TrueType-for-the-Web solution will > include...a royalty-free cross-platform licensing program > for Microsoft's high-performance TrueType rasterizer, which > allows all platforms to support TrueType technology." OK, sorry, I skimmed through the press release. "royalty-free" and "across all platforms" sound to be just want we require. BUT the numbers of display technologies seems to be growing: HTML 2, HTML 3 (proposed), Netscape HTMLisms, Microsoft HTMLisms, Acrobat, richer SGML DTDs, Postscript, Envoy, ... and now Microsoft new technology. How do we cope? Should we be installing viewers for all these document formats on our systems (and leave it to the information provider to use their prefered solution)? Should the information provider make the information available in a variety of formats? If the latter, how does the user choose their preferred option? How do we prevent unnecessary use of network bandwidth by the naive end user selecting document types for which there is no viewer on their client machine? The answer should be by the use of content negotiation (see Brian Behlendorf's excellent introduction at the URL http://www.organic.org/Staff/brian/cn/) However I understand that this is only implemented in the Apache and W3O (formerly CERN) server. Is this true? Should we be lobbying the server and client developers to support content negotiation? Comments? > Thomas Dowling > (Strongly suspecting that the future of the net involves getting > into bed with either Mr. Gates or Mr. Andreesen, and neither one > has even bought me dinner yet.) Brian Kelly (Strongly suspecting that Thomas could be right and worried about it but thinking that we should get into bed with Tim Berners-Lee and the standards crowd, perhaps because I had a drink with them at the first WWW conference). -------------------------------------------------- Brian Kelly Netskills - see http://www.netskills.ac.uk/ Computing Service University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne B.Kelly@newcastle.ac.uk NE1 7RU 0191 222 5002 From harding at nas.nasa.gov Wed Feb 28 10:38:30 1996 From: harding at nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy In-Reply-To: <199602272159.QAA58226@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU> from "Jim Campbell" at Feb 27, 96 06:06:36 pm Message-ID: <199602281538.HAA15403@orygun.nas.nasa.gov> > MICROSOFT EXTENDS TRUETYPE FONTS TO THE WEB, ENABLING RICHER WEB PAGES > > Forty Industry Leaders Including Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia and Oracle > Support Solution Based on Industry-Standard TrueType Technology ]...[ > Lord, it's not enough that I have to strain to read pink type > on chartreuse backgrounds, now it's going to be in weird > typefaces too! > Well, maybe there will be a Turn Off Fonts option. One can only hope that TrueType is for client and not server. Let's hope we are not returning to the early days of DTP, when neophytes felt that if one typeface was good, twelve were better (and usually in the first paragraph). People seem to forget that we are in the information business. Present the info in a forthright manner. Let the readers format it in whatever way that makes it easier for them to read (and hopefully comprehend). s From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Wed Feb 28 11:57:45 1996 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTML -> >- Printed Copy Message-ID: <v01530500ad5a34faefc8@[129.105.110.129]> >BUT the numbers of display technologies seems to be growing: >HTML 2, HTML 3 (proposed), Netscape HTMLisms, Microsoft HTMLisms, >Acrobat, richer SGML DTDs, Postscript, Envoy, ... and now Microsoft >new technology. [...] >The answer should be by the use of content negotiation (see >Brian Behlendorf's excellent introduction at the URL >http://www.organic.org/Staff/brian/cn/) >However I understand that this is only implemented in the >Apache and W3O (formerly CERN) server. Is this true? >Should we be lobbying the server and client developers >to support content negotiation? Yes, but... the HTTP working group is currently re-thinking content-negotitation protcols (and some other stuff that has been featured in prior versions of HTTP specs). I'm on the http-wg list but haven't had time to read the latest proposal in detail. I think the revisions are aimed at teducing the bandwidth or extra round-trips in simple cases, and making the choices more flexiblem in complex cases. So at this point, the vendors would be best advised not to start shipping a product but to participate in the process of refining the spec (and perhaps thereby removing reasons it _hasn't_ been more widely implemented.) Some other related ideas suggested on various IETF working groups include modular DTDs for different varients of HTML and some sort of indications of various browser and HTML feature sets. The standardization process is _trying_ to deal with this WWW Tower of Babel in various ways. So far the market seems to more inclined towards "hot new features" over "interoperability". Wider availablity/downloadability of TrueType fonts _might_ make it feasible to use the same fonts on more platforms (thus short-cutting a sticky problem for those trying to do fancy HTML markup) but a lot depends on the details. As with a lot of other announcements, it's an attempt to make a defacto standard of something, ... , in this case, it looks like another move vis-a-vis Adobe... --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Feb 28 12:08:16 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: Position Announcement Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.90.960228090745.31402C-100000@library.berkeley.edu> Forwarded on behalf of: Douglas Anderson danderso@furman.edu Head, Automated Systems voice 864/294-3204 Furman University Library fax 864/294-3004 Greenville, SC 29613-0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASSOCIATED COLLEGES OF THE SOUTH Coordinator/Director of Library Technology Project The Associated Colleges of the South (ACS) is seek one someone to manage a $1.2 million grant received from The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation for the purpose of establishing an electronic library for its thirteen member institutions. The objectives of the project are to increase access to indexes and periodicals, create a model to analyze journal pricing, and identify new ways of achieving cost containment. The grant will support a three-year program. The ACS is a consortium of thirteen outstanding liberal arts colleges and universities located in an area from Virginia to Texas. ACS conducts numerous cooperative programs designed to strengthen academic activities while containing costs. Incorporated in 1991, the consortium offers numerous overseas programs for students and a wide variety of faculty development opportunities, including various conferences and an intensive summer teaching workshops. Qualifications: * Master of Library Science or equivalent * Substantial expertise in the area of library technology * Familiarity with training library staff in the use of technology * Considerable communication skills Responsibilities: * Coordinate all of the planning and evaluation activities related to the grant project, working closely with representatives from each of the thirteen ACS campuses * Provide technical expertise for the project, trouble-shooting for microcomputer hardware and software * Organize and work closely with the various committees appointed to carry out, implement, and oversee the various phases of the overall project * Working with the campus-based project directors, oversee negotiations with various vendors on licenses for online access, purchases of hardware and software and other services * Conduct ongoing communications with the vendors * Supervise and conduct cooperative training efforts for library staff and faculty * Manage the overall communications about the project, linking the campuses and other interested parties * Serve as a clearinghouse of information for all of the participating institutions * Provide hands-on campus assistance to staff making use of the library technology * Collaborate closely with the ACS president in the overall management of the project, budgeting, and preparation of program and financial reports to the funding organization Position available immediately. Compensation commensurate with qualifications. Application process: * Send application letter, resume, and names of three references to: Associated Colleges of the South 1866 Southern Lane Decatur, GA 30033-4097 * Nominations are also accepted. Screening of applications will begin March 29. The position is available until filled. From ROSWATSONMF at CRF.CUIS.EDU Wed Feb 28 12:11:11 1996 From: ROSWATSONMF at CRF.CUIS.EDU (ROSWATSONMF@CRF.CUIS.EDU) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: Faculty Position Message-ID: <01I1QTGARVJ69BVPRO@CRF.CUIS.EDU> ROSARY COLLEGE FACULTY POSITION FALL, 1996 ____________________________________________________ Assistant Professor of Library and Information Science This appointment is in an ALA-accredited Master's Degree Program in Library and Information Science. The candidate's specializations may include public, academic or special librarianship, information science, information policy, library and information technologies, technical or public services. Research doctorate in library science or information science essential. Previous teaching or library/information center experience desirable. Off-campus teaching, distance education, consulting opportunities available. Rosary is a Carnegie Master's I comprehensive institution with Schools of Arts and Sciences, Business, Library and Information Science and Education. The College is located in a beautifully wooded suburb near Chicago with easy access to this major city. Salaries are competitive. Send curriculum vitae and names and addresses of three references to: Peggy Sullivan, Dean Graduate School of Library and Information Science Rosary College 7900 West Division Street River Forest, Illinois 60305 Phone: 708 524-6472 FAX: 708 524-6657 Email: sullivan@email.rosary.edu Review of applications will begin March 15, 1996 and will continue u ntil the position is filled. Rosary Col lege is an equal opportunity employer. From mcleod at maine.maine.edu Wed Feb 28 13:04:12 1996 From: mcleod at maine.maine.edu (Jen McLeod) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: HTTP server codes URLs - Thanks! Message-ID: <9602281804.AA17076@kramer.ume.maine.edu> Thanks to all that replied to my request for a URL pointing to server code explanations! http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/spec.html#Status-Codes and http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Protocols/HTTP/HTRESP.html were the two URLs quoted to me. Just what I wanted! :) - Jen *************************************** Jen "there can be only one" McLeod University of Maine Fogler Library http://libinfo.ume.maine.edu/~mcleodj/ "If you insist on dating younger men, expect some immaturity. Just like dating older men." From engwall at uthscsa.edu Wed Feb 28 17:52:45 1996 From: engwall at uthscsa.edu (Keith Engwall) Date: Wed May 18 14:31:39 2005 Subject: Hardware related mailing lists Message-ID: <3134DCBD.E@uthscsa.edu> I have a question that is not quite on topic for this lists: Are Dell Dimension computers adequate to the task for networking in a library environment (as opposed to Dell Optiplex)? What mailing list(s) should a question like this go to? Are there any hardware related library mailing lists out there? Oh, and if any of you have a network where you've successfully (or unsuccessfully) implemented Dell Dimension computers, please e-mail me. Thanks, Keith From alan_j at supvax.sls.co.uk Wed Feb 28 04:59:29 1996 From: alan_j at supvax.sls.co.uk (alan_j@supvax.sls.co.uk) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: Header Info Message-ID: <9602290807.AA22003@library.berkeley.edu> >My job is to provide >what the header info should look like so that it will make it easy for >future upgrades to the data base implementation as well as provide faster >searches with the existing database engine by searching through the headers >instead of full text. Does anyone know of a format for such a header? The best source of discussion and general information on electronic texts and meta information (eg headers) is the Text Encoding Initiative LISTSERV@UICVM.UIC.EDU (or LISTSERV@UICVM.BITNET). There is also a useful Web site. Although I don't have the URL to hand you can easily look it up on Yahoo. Alan Jackson Tailored Information, http://www.datatext.co.uk/ti/ From kamorgan at unity.ncsu.edu Thu Feb 29 07:59:49 1996 From: kamorgan at unity.ncsu.edu (Keith Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: Audio/Video on public browsers Message-ID: <v01540b00ad5b52fda1a3@[152.1.139.119]> Anyone know of libraries that have put any A/V applications for orientation/instruction etc. on public browsers? URLs preferred. Apps like RealAudio have interesting potential but implementation seems difficult considering, at least, the increased noise issue. Keith Morgan Keith Morgan - North Carolina State University Libraries <kamorgan@unity.ncsu.edu> http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/kamorgan/ "The net will hang on the wall when the fish are eaten, nailed like illegible bronze on the futureless future." Robert Lowell From jac15 at po.cwru.edu Thu Feb 29 10:00:46 1996 From: jac15 at po.cwru.edu (Jeff Curtis) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: WWW made EZ? Message-ID: <199602291500.KAA08004@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu> Is there some kind of basic "How to use the WWW" kind of document out there somewhere that we can put up on our pages for folks who are not really too technically advanced or familiar with computers or the internet? thanks Jeff Curtis Librarian MSASS/Case Western Reserve University From b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk Thu Feb 29 10:56:40 1996 From: b.kelly at newcastle.ac.uk (Brian Kelly) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: WWW made EZ? Message-ID: <199602291601.QAA07182@burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk> > Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:05:02 -0800 > Reply-to: jac15@po.cwru.edu > From: Jeff Curtis <jac15@po.cwru.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of list <web4lib@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: WWW made EZ? > Is there some kind of basic "How to use the WWW" kind of document out > there somewhere that we can put up on our pages for folks who are not > really too technically advanced or familiar with computers or the > internet? > > thanks > Jeff Curtis > Librarian > MSASS/Case Western Reserve University I wrote a 70+ page handbook on "Running A WWW Service" handbook which is available at the URL: http://www.leeds.ac.uk/ucs/WWW/handbook/handbook.html It is mirrored in 14 countries, including the US. It may be of interest. Brian -------------------------------------------------- Brian Kelly Netskills - see http://www.netskills.ac.uk/ Computing Service University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne B.Kelly@newcastle.ac.uk NE1 7RU 0191 222 5002 From jac15 at po.cwru.edu Thu Feb 29 11:21:31 1996 From: jac15 at po.cwru.edu (Jeff Curtis) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: WWW made EZ? Message-ID: <199602291621.LAA10530@hunny.INS.CWRU.Edu> >I wrote a 70+ page handbook on "Running A WWW Service" handbook >which is available at the URL: > >http://www.leeds.ac.uk/ucs/WWW/handbook/handbook.html > >It is mirrored in 14 countries, including the US. > >It may be of interest. > >Brian Maybe I should have been clearer: I'm looking for a document that we could point our patrons to, for end-users, as it were, who are not real familiar with internet-based things, not people running WWW services. Thanks, though Jeff Curtis From FDV00_06 at dbf-s1.dbf.ddb.de Thu Feb 29 06:45:07 1996 From: FDV00_06 at dbf-s1.dbf.ddb.de (Volker Henze) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: Header Info Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960229114507.256@dbf-s1.dbf.ddb.de> > >My job is to provide > >what the header info should look like so that it will make it easy for > >future upgrades to the data base implementation as well as provide faster > >searches with the existing database engine by searching through the headers > >instead of full text. Does anyone know of a format for such a header? > > The best source of discussion and general information on electronic texts and > meta information (eg headers) is the Text Encoding Initiative > LISTSERV@UICVM.UIC.EDU (or LISTSERV@UICVM.BITNET). There is also a useful Web > site. Although I don't have the URL to hand you can easily look it up on Yahoo. > > Alan Jackson > Tailored Information, http://www.datatext.co.uk/ti/ > http://www.uic.edu:80/orgs/tei/ *********************************************************** Volker Henze Tel.: +49-69-7566729 Die Deutsche Bibliothek Email: henze@dbf.ddb.de Datenverarbeitung Fax: +49-69-7566709 Am Weingarten 25 D-60487 Frankfurt am Main GERMANY *********************************************************** From cwt at exis.net Thu Feb 29 14:56:36 1996 From: cwt at exis.net (C. W. Tazewell) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: WWW made EZ?iya, In-Reply-To: <199602291500.KAA08004@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960229145326.21472B-100000@Sailfish.Exis.Net> We have a Learn the Web - Internet 101 - Page that may be useful. We have more to add, and more organizing to do. http://www.infi.net/~cwt/learn-w3.html Sm:)es, Bill. The Hampton Roads Central Library (You don't drive to it; you point to it.) Your *REASON* to have the Internet Digital Library of Hampton Roads E A S Y L I N K S Front Entrance Your WWW Hotlist http://wwwp.exis.net/~cwt/ http://www.infi.net/~cwt/easylink.html On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jeff Curtis wrote: > Is there some kind of basic "How to use the WWW" kind of document out > there somewhere that we can put up on our pages for folks who are not > really too technically advanced or familiar with computers or the > internet? > > thanks > Jeff Curtis > Librarian > MSASS/Case Western Reserve University > From IAS at ITS.NLC-BNC.CA Thu Feb 29 18:03:00 1996 From: IAS at ITS.NLC-BNC.CA (IAS) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: FYI: Z39.50 and the World Wide Web Message-ID: <313631EB@its.nlc-bnc.ca> Through our work for the EC libraries programme "ARCA" project, we have come face-to-face with some of the issues addressed in this discussion. We have put together some initial thoughts on an integration path for Z39.50 and the WWW. More specifically, we have thought about what each of the environments might stand to gain from a greater level of integration with the other. Comments and discussion are invited. ---------- Z39.50 and the World Wide Web Sebastian Hammer, Index Data John Favaro, Intecs Sistemi The tremendous success of the World Wide Web, and the increasing use of WWW front-ends to library catalogs and other information systems has caused decision- makers to question whether the investments required to establish additional Z39.50 services are still warranted. Meanwhile, the increased versatility of the 1995-version of the Z39.50 protocol - which enables it to provide powerful services outside of the strictly bibliographic application domain - leads information specialists to wonder where the WWW and Z39.50 fit together in the evolving information infrastructure. The Web as a Simple Networked Access System Using the forms-based interface of the World Wide Web (WWW) in conjunction with graphical clients or browsers such as Mosaic or Netscape has become an inexpensive and popular method of providing user-friendly access to on-line catalog systems. The tools required to publish information on the WWW in this fashion are inexpensive or even free, and are generally straightforward to use. The results are rewarding: It is a remarkably simple task to produce attractive, graphical interfaces which have similar appearances across many different desktop platforms. No specialized software beyond a normal WWW "browser" is required on the client side, and facilities for File Transfer (FTP) and simple searching (WAIS, etc.) are well-integrated into the WWW suite of protocols. However, there are serious tradeoffs involved when using this approach. The individual WWW client has no knowledge of the application domain in which it operates. It receives a stream of graphical user interface primitives (such as buttons, text-entry fields, and formatted response data) from the server, and naively displays these to the user. The WWW inherits a problem that has haunted users since the first information systems went on-line using simple character terminals: No two information systems share the same interface characteristics. Each new system requires the user to master a new interface structure, and, with the advent of graphical interfaces such as the WWW, a new set of custom-designed icons and symbols. Information systems often support the notion of a search "session", in which the results of previous queries can be re-used or refined. The HTTP (HyperText Transfer Protocol), which is at the core of the WWW, is inherently stateless: Numerous problems arise when the interface is adapted to host systems that have a notion of a continuous session between the client (user) and the server. There are currently efforts underway to add state-managing mechanisms to the underlying protocols, but the basic paradigm remains essentially a stateless one, which fits poorly with the session-oriented interfaces to most on-line information systems. Searching on the Internet - the Role of Z39.50 The Web is an ideal vehicle for organizations that are "vertically integrated," that is, which are owners of content that they can present to the user in a structure of their own choosing. That is why many media and entertainment companies are showing a great interest in the Web today. But when users must actively search the Web for information across organizations, they encounter a sea of largely unstructured data. The library community has much to offer in the way of providing structure to information resources on the Internet. The Z39.50 standard is a concrete representation of this fact. Currently the search engines and indices of Web resources suffer from the same weaknesses as the interfaces to library systems. No two are alike, and there is no way to make structured use of the data that they return. With the current growth of the Web, the search engines are becoming increasingly important - a significant portion of the Web community now spends more time looking at search engine output than on any other type of Web page. However, it may eventually become impossible for any one organization to index it all in a useful way. We will need more well-structured access methods to allow searching across multiple indices. Here the power of Z39.50 as a true, mature information retrieval protocol becomes evident. The Z39.50 standard specifies an abstract information system with a rich set of facilities for searching, retrieving records, browsing term lists, etc. At the server side, this abstract system is mapped onto the interface of whatever specific database management system is being used. The communication taking place between the server and the client application is precisely defined. The client application is unaware of the implementation details of the software hiding behind the network interface, and it can access any type of database through the same, well-defined network protocol. On the client side, the abstract information system is mapped back onto an interface which can be tailored to the unique requirements of each user: a high-school student may require a simple, graphical interface with limited functionality, while an information specialist may need a complex, highly configurable information retrieval engine. Finally, casual users may prefer an interface which blends in smoothly with their word processor, database software, or, indeed, WWW browser. In summary, the essential power of Z39.50 is that it allows diverse information resources to look and act the same to the individual user. At the same time, it allows each information system to assume a different interface for every user, perfectly suited to his or her particular needs. Navigation Between Resources - the Strength of the Web Z39.50 was born as a point-to-point, client/server mechanism. It provides very powerful means of locating records within one or more databases on a single server. The problem that remains is that of navigation between servers or information resources: o How do we find the server and the database that has the information we are looking for? o How do we learn about the contents of a server? For learning about new servers or information providers, the Explain facility of Z39.50 is an important resource. Explain provides a structured mechanism for the information provider to publish information about the capabilities of the server software, and about the characteristics of the information stored in each database on the server. The rich set of information elements defined by the Explain facility includes contact information for the host instutution, as well as specifications of the available access points (indices) for searching. The rigid structuring of the information allows the client software to automatically configure itself and adapt to each server system, while the uniform interface to the descriptive information about the database helps the user quickly orient himself to the contents of a new information resource. The truly difficult issue, however, is establishing an infrastructure between servers that allow users to locate the right servers for their purpose in an easy way. The Z39.50 URLs are useful in this respect, because they make Z39.50 servers appear to be "just another kind of document" in the Internet space. People can collect and categorize collections of servers the same way they do other kinds of documents or information resources. WWW search engines can even be used to discover new Z39.50 servers. Our preferred approach would be to use Z39.50 itself to find Z39.50 servers. That is what locator services can do. GILS defines an application profile for Z39.50 that is useful for locating information resources (although admittedly, GILS is optimized for US government documents, and as such it is probably less than ideal for some other purposes). These documents can be anything - from books to reports to archives of photographs to on-line databases to WWW-documents (and since a WWW-document can be a Z39.50 server, the locator service can be used for exactly the purpose we have in mind). With a slightly simpler and more general profile than GILS, Z39.50 could become a very powerful tool for accessing indices of information resources. In effect, we are postulating that we replace or supplement all of the existing WWW-crawlers with Z39.50 servers. In that way, we would be able to access all of the different indices with a uniform interface, and because the access structure is fully standardized, it would be simple to gateway or replicate information between servers - we would potentially only need a single starting point to search for any kind of information anywhere in the world. Indeed, this is an important part of the vision behind the Global Information Locator Service currently being investigated by the G-7 Group of industrial nations. Again, static documents containing Z39.50 URLs will provide an increasingly important means of discovering and accessing information resources, as WWW- browsers with Z39.50 client-capabilities become commonplace. When these documents are, themselves, served or located by Z39.50-aware systems, the circle is complete. In summary, we believe that there is a strong potential for a profitable and synergetic relationship between the WWW and Z39.50. We see the two worlds merging together, with each one growing stronger by using the best elements of the other: Hyperlinks between systems and document types from the WWW - structured searching and document discovery from Z39.50. -- Sebastian Hammer [quinn@index.ping.dk] Index Data Ph.: +45 3536 3672 <URL:http://www.index.dk> Fax: +45 3536 0449 From leita at netcom.com Thu Feb 29 16:01:16 1996 From: leita at netcom.com (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: WWW made EZ? In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960229145326.21472B-100000@Sailfish.Exis.Net> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960229122503.12837A-100000@netcom22> > Is there some kind of basic "How to use the WWW" kind of document out > there somewhere that we can put up on our pages for folks who are not > really too technically advanced or familiar with computers or the > internet? > > Jeff Curtis The Library of Congress maintains a great list of Internet Guides and Tutorials for people at all levels of the learning ladder. http://lcweb.loc.gov/global/internet/tutorial.html My favorite beginner's guide among the cornocupia listed there - for librarians just starting out - "BCK2SKOL": The Electronic Library Classroom 101, by Ellen Chamberlain. We've done a beginner's tutorial for our public Internet access computer users at the Berkeley Public Library that you might want to take a look at: http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/bpl/files/gettings.html Carole ______________________________________________________________ Carole Leita, leita@netcom.com Internet/Reference Librarian, 510-644-6100 ext.313 Berkeley Public Library, 2090 Kittredge St., Berkeley CA 94703 URL: http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/bpl/ ______________________________________________________________ From lbspodic at uxmail.ust.hk Thu Feb 29 21:05:07 1996 From: lbspodic at uxmail.ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: Incorporating username/password in http URL OR GET ?? Message-ID: <v0213053bad5c08ea5a33@[143.89.104.157]> This may be a simple question, but I can't find the answer. I am trying to write a script which will make an HTTP connection to a page which requires username+password (using the .htaccess protocols), and automatically log in the user. I know in the URL spec for some types of logins this can be done in the form of (e.g.) telnet://username:password@host.domain But I cannot find anything which says this will work for HTTP, and in fact I have not been able to make it work. I could script up a complicated GET command if that is the solution, but I don't know the correct format to use I have spent a couple hours on this so far, and decided to turn to this collection of experts for assistance. Can anyone help me? - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@usthk.ust.hk or @uxmail.ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Thu Feb 29 23:41:28 1996 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:35 2005 Subject: Incorporating username/password in http URL OR GET ?? Message-ID: <v01510100ad5c2c007388@[129.105.186.116]> > This may be a simple question, but I can't find the answer. > I am trying to write a script which will make an HTTP connection > to a page which requires username+password (using the .htaccess protocols), > and automatically log in the user. I know in the URL spec for some types > of logins this can be done in the form of (e.g.) > telnet://username:password@host.domain > But I cannot find anything which says this will work for HTTP, and in fact > I have not been able to make it work. I could script up a complicated GET > command if that is the solution, but I don't know the correct format to use > I have spent a couple hours on this so far, and decided to turn to this > collection of experts for assistance. Can anyone help me? There are documents which give a generic syntax for Internet URL schemes like the above. From RFC1738: >While the syntax for the rest of the URL may vary depending on the >particular scheme selected, URL schemes that involve the direct use >of an IP-based protocol to a specified host on the Internet use a >common syntax for the scheme-specific data: > > //<user>:<password>@<host>:<port>/<url-path> However, the syntax for specific URL schemes in the same document (and others), uses two different BNF forms: >login = [ user [ ":" password ] "@" ] hostport >hostport = host [ ":" port ] Of the predefined schemes listed (http, ftp, news, nntp, telnet, gopher wais, mailto, file, prospero), only ftp: and telnet: URLs use the login form, which allows for a password. http: uses only hostport. So the syntax in the spec doesn't allow for what you want. See: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Addressing/Addressing.html http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Addressing/rfc1738.txt In the HTTP 1.0 protocol (with Basic Authentication) the user name and password are not sent as part of the URL on the GET line, but rather in a "Authorization:" header sent in response to a "WWW-Authenticate:" header sent when a prior request failed. The HTTP spec also agrees that the http: URL has the form: http_URL = "http:" "//" host [ ":" port ] [ abs_path ] See: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Protocols/Overview.html http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/spec.html While you could write a custom client that would do a GET with a username and password by sending the right headers with the request, trying to use the generic URL syntax to do this is not going to work. (There are other authorization schemes in the works besides Basic, but it is still widely used.) (Also note: While the spec for telnet URLs allows for a username and password, you are unlikely to find this implemented.) --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu